The Rod and Greg Show: Blowups Over Bike Lanes on Utah's Roadways; Wyoming's New Dual Mine

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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maybe even one hundred degree dry heat than even then
eighty five degrees in high humidity.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's oh yeah, the been there, done that, that's for sure.
Have you recovered or are you dealing now with your
new ailment that is attacking news called time blindness?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
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It turns out that I have a disability. It's called
time blindness.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
I've been ripping on the victim class and complaining that
that's their only, uh you know, way to have any
standing in society. Well, if you can't beat them, join them.
I got a disability it's called time blindness.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
And you don't know how to read it.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
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accommodations for me.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I almost stick a clock on your nose.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Very insensitive, very insensitive about my disability. You need to
like realize it's it's a real thing, all right, Uh,
this will deal with it today, Manna from heaven. When
I read this article, I thought time blindness.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Thank you you're ray.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, this is just you know, this is what it
feels like to bebs Yeah, well, pallacely dealt with.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We've got a lot to talk about today to talk
to you about. We're on talking about the pushback on
against all the Medicaid lines that are out there, and
there are a lot of them. They're being perpetuated by
even organizations here in the state of Utah. We'll talk
about that. There was a big announcement I think groundbreaking
last week wasn't up in Wyoming for this huge dual
mine that could be very beneficial to the nation and

(01:29):
its effort and its economy and its effort for more power.
We'll talk about that a little bit later on. We'll
talk with Representative Candas Peruci. Big announcement today on what
the state is doing against China coming into the state
and trying to buy some land.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Look, that has been on a front burner issue. Everyone's
been talking about the way that China has coming and
purchased so much real estate and actually critical areas are
major infrastructure in the country. Utah always ends up on
a map that looks pretty scary. Yeah, we're going to
talk to representative State Representative Candae Perrucci about her bill
that she had back in twenty three and then ran
another and twenty four. Really, so Utah is actually in

(02:04):
front of this and you'll be interested, I think, to
hear of how much the state's putting its weight into
getting addressing this issue and repelling Chinese ownership of land
here in Utah.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And there is a new law out there about bike lanes,
yes by, and boy can they stir a debate. And
we'll get into that with you as well. So we've
got a lot to get to today. But let's start
in the land of Jim crow Laws. Major League Baseball
is holding this All Star Games.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yep, Georgia, Atlanta, Georgia. I thought that was I thought
the left thought that you can't have a baseball game
held in Atlanta because of all the bad, you know,
racist election laws.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
They asked, well, back in April of twenty twenty one,
it was four years ago, man, that seems like a
long time. The Commissioner of Baseball, Rob Manfred, who I
have lost total respect for because of what he did
four years ago, made this announcement. He said, I have
decided the best way to demonstrate our values as a
sport is by relocating this year's All Star Game. So

(03:05):
they took it out of Atlanta, costing the city and
small businesses there are millions of dollars because they thought
the new voting law in Georgia was Jim Crow and
they said, we aren't enjoying that two point zero that's
what they were called.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
We had the goal to require a photo ID when
you voted.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
As it turns out, they were so wrong, because more
people have been voting in Georgia elections ever since that
law was passed.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Do you mean to tell me that if you increase
transparency and you secure chain of custody, that confidence goes
up and people participate in an election they think will
actually matter.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I am telling you that.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
That is bizarre and I don't even know how that.
I don't even know up from down. Now that sounds
so crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, that's crazy. But apparently they all of a sudden
have had a change of heart and have now decided
to put the game in Atlanta, Georgia. So a place tonight, So.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
A place tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
They had they had the home run derby last night.
I saw this video today. You know they have young
kids out there, you know they're they're shagging flies, the
ones that don't make it into the stands. There's a
kid who stole a home run from one of the players.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
And that thing is great. It's funny because as a viewer,
you were told right away that that that was counted,
but the player didn't know that was batting, and nor
did the hit the teammates, and so everybody he called
time out and he's saying that kid robbed them, that
that little rug rat out there just robbed me of
my home run? What up above the wall? And they
said no, no, no, they counted, they counted, oh did they.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Count as Okay, Well, but it's a great catch by
the kid.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know, you think about this. ESPN can report it,
so a viewer could know, But how do you how
would you know in real time that kid who took
it away from the up from above the wall, that
that counted.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
It was.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
It was funny, it was.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
It was a lot of fun So major League Baseball
All Star Game getting underway very very shortly. All right,
new economic news came out today inflation ticking up to
two point seven percent, and the those on the left
are saying, see, we told you so. His economic policies
will fail this country.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, if Biden never had a single day where inflation
was three percent. That we call that grand success. And
by the way, I'm going to tell you that whether
it was in state government when you were trying to
estimate just CPI that you know, inflation going up year
over year, your baseline is three percent. It's always been
three percent. If you're ever less, if your inflation is

(05:23):
less than three percent, that's always good news.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
So whether it was you know, in one month two
point three, then two point four, then two point seven,
you're you're south of the three percent baseline, You're doing great.
This is great news. This shows that all the sky's falling.
Tariff talk it means nothing. When you have inflation it's
less than three percent, which is your baseline, you've received

(05:47):
good news.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well in the news today is of course the New
York Times headline. I'm looking at it right now. No,
this will Wall Street Journal Inflation picks up to two
point seven percent as tariffs seep into prices. Well, guess what.
Ej An Tony, who we've had on the show before,
Lady and Economists a Heritage Foundation, said this bumping prices
has nothing to do with the tariffs right now, absolutely

(06:10):
nothing to do with the tariffs. He says it goes
back to energy, increased cost of energy, and he says,
that's why America needs to work harder to become more
energy dependent on itself so we don't have to worry
about those costs going up.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah. No, it makes all the sense in the world.
And I think that the economy is doing well. Take
a guy like that, there's a there's a clip of
or there's a story of the guy that found at
home depot who was not a Trump supporter, was opposed
to tariffs, raising tariffs, thought this was a nightmare of
an idea who's nothing but bullish about a President Trump
and his leadership, and he got on TV today to

(06:46):
talk about it, saying, I and he's so bullish about
the economy. He says, I, I've never seen a time.
I've never felt a time where I felt that the
American people and its economy are on the uptick. There's
a there's a bounce in our step. And was really
I mean, this is a guy that was very critical
or skeptical of the leadership of President Trump's and now
he's he's saying, the guy has sold me. He's a

(07:08):
true leader. He's doing things I didn't think could happen.
And you know, he's been around the block a little bit,
this home depot guy.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, he has been so news of the economy. There
are people out there worried about it. I think we're
just fine.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Well, we're better than fine. I think we're doing well.
There's a big announcement in Pittsburgh about all the new
AI investment that's coming into that area. It could be
a new industrial revolution and in an area that was
the Roust Belt Pittsburgh, my hometown where you know they
we saw the old industrial revolution take off.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
All right, when we come back, we'll talk about the
lie surrounding Medicaid. Wide LT coverage, pushing to talk convenience
Republicans in the House and Senate. We're able to get
it approved under the nice persuasion of Donald Trump. I
think he helped out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, whipping votes up votes. Seldom see presidents too.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, but you've got some newsrooms around the country, legacy media.
Everybody's squealing about Medicaid and cuts that are coming to Medicaid.
Even Robert F. Kennedy spoke about that, didn't he said,
what'd he say the other day?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
So RFK said that there are no cuts in medicaid.
This is yesterday, he said this, And he said that
the bill is focused on fraud and waste, and that
the trillion dollars that they cut keeps Medicaid healthy and
keeps it sustainable because if the whole thing collapses because
it's cost too much, then he RFK said, is look

(08:27):
at these kids that were they won't have health. I mean,
you've got to have a system that's sustainable so that
our younger generation is healthy, a B has access to
if they need it, if they're disabled.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
All right, Well, how do we battle these media lies
about Eisen about medicaid? Joining us on our Newsmaker line
to talk about that is our good friend, Frank Meelee.
He is a columnist, a real clear politics Frank, how
are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Hey, Ed, Happy to be with you. Always fun to
try to set the record straight.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, let's talk about some of these lies when it
comes to what ICE is up to right now, Frank,
how do we combat those lies?

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I don't know if there are lies in the case
of ICE.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
What it is is two separate world views. I mean,
there literally are people who think it's okay to invite
everyone into the country, and whether they're even productive or
not productive, criminal or not criminal, they have a right
to stay here because well because.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
And I don't you know what, liar what liearre you
detecting that they're using Maybe I'm missing it.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, maybe there's a lie every minute every day I.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Think out there f I think, well, Frank, I think
this citizen hus here. I think that the issue and
where it comes where Ice there's It just feels like
they're the Democrats are opposed to any deportation or removal
under any circumstance, without regard to criminality or anything else
that ties into a Medicaid that was being a word
to people that are not citizens of this country and

(09:56):
having that benefit. Was was medicaid meant for people that
are not legally present in our country? Was it meant
for people that don't that are able by it and
don't work. What is it that medicaid is really supposed
to do, even the Medicaid expansion.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, well, clearly medicaid was intended to help those who
are going to be unable to get medical care if
they don't have some kind of government assistance, and that
included you know, the pregnant women, single moms with babies,
and you know, anybody elderly, anybody who doesn't have money

(10:35):
a source of income where they can afford medical care
or insurance themselves. That's what, you know, where government stepped in.
And you know, it was even debatable back in the
fifties and sixties when this was being discussed whether that
was an appropriate use of government money, But.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So be it.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
We now accept that it is acceptable, and so yeah,
we want to help those people who need it the most.
This bill tries to, as you said, guarantee that that
money is going to be available in the future and
that we're not going to bankrupt the system by giving the.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Money to people who don't deserve it.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
And that's the big lie that the Democrats and their
media friends are using, is that they're saying twelve million
people are going to lose health coverage and get kicked
off of Medicaid because of the big, beautiful bill.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, and go ahead, you can take it from there.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, Frank, I want to ask you about this. You know,
the Republicans and the President are getting hammered over these
so called Medicaid cuts. Why aren't they more aggressive and
explaining what they're trying to do to make the system
even better.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Well, you're making my case for me.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
That's why I wrote my column in Real Clear Politics
this week with you know, pushing back against the big
Medicaid lie, because I'm afraid Republicans are as they always do,
they're going to fall through the line that, oh, you know,
we have to be more sensitive, we have to be
more caring, and oh, I didn't know Medicaid was going

(12:10):
to be lost for people, and you know that, but
I'll vote for it the next time it comes up.
And so I wrote the column to say, hey, Republican,
we need you know, Republicans, here are some simple talking
points you can use when Democrats say you heartless? You
know so and so, how dare you take away Medicaid?

(12:32):
And it's a really easy argument to make for the
Republicans who have a spine.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So let me ask you this, Frank, you share it exactly.
There's an increase in Medicaid spending by twenty percent. It's
making sure it's directed towards those who are in need.
So you know, it was meant for the for children
who clearly can't fight for themselves or help themselves or kids.
You have the elderly who've already lived their lives. Then
you have the disabled people that are disabled and unable

(12:59):
to do that. Medicaid expansion said, we're going to actually
look at a household income level and if you make
below a certain amount, we're going to expand Medicaid benefits
to a healthy demographic of Americans that are just that
are living in poverty. I guess my first question is
is that the role of Medicaid should that have ever happened?
And my second question is is a requiring to work

(13:22):
or even having able bodied people on Medicaid is that
sustainable looking forward?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Well, you know the Republican trick.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
When Medicaid expansion was being debated, they know that if
they get people hooked on government programs, it's going to
be very hard to dislodge them from accepting that largest
of the government. And so what they did was Medicaid
is run by the states, and so during the Obama years,
they initiated this system where the federal government would provide

(13:56):
ninety of the funds needed for Medicaid expansion and the
states that only have to pay ten percent. Well, of course,
the states, most of them jumped right in and they're like, oh, yeah,
we'll pay ten percent if you give us all that
money for our citizens. And so that's where where it happened.
And so they expanded the eligibility for medicaid by a

(14:18):
huge amount, and so people who had jobs and you
know where normal working people would be able to get
medicaid all of a sudden. And not only that, but
then when COVID hit, the Democrats with the help of Republicans,
expanded premium subsidies for Obamacare so that people who have
maked over one hundred thousand dollars with one child qualified

(14:42):
for subsidies on Obamacare.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well, if you're making over one hundred thousand dollars, you're
probably have a pretty.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Good job and you should be able to get insurance
on your job. I don't know what's going on there,
So that definitely needs to.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Be looked at.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
And the big lie here that they've gone with over
and over going to people are going to lose their
medicare who need it. But the fact of the matter
is the requirements that they're adding with this big beautiful
bill is simply that people with children over the age
of fourteen will have to work or work twenty hours

(15:21):
a week, volunteer twenty hours a week, or be seeking work.
So people with children fourteen and under who for whatever
reason feel that they need to be home and can't
work because their children are at a certain age, that's fine,
that's covered. But it's only people who have older children.
Children in high school probably are away from the home

(15:43):
eighty percent of the time.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Anyway, those people are going to have to work or
volunteer or seek work. And the big lie here is
that they're they're like, oh, the poor working class. You know,
they're working.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Two jobs already and you can.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Barely make ends meet, and you're gonna take medicaid away
from No, you're not taking anything away from people have
two jobs.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Those people are hard working.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
They're gonna be covered if they if they need medicaid.
It's only the people who are freeloading, basically by saying.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
You know what, I don't need to work.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
I have you know, I have responsibilities at home and
I'm going to take care of those. Well, no, you
don't have responsibilities that on. Your children are older, they
can go out and get jobs at that point they can.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Frank is always great chatting with you. Thanks for your
time today, Take care, Thank you. On our newsmaker line,
that's Frank Mandley here is with real clear politics talking
about medicaid and the lies that are being told about
changes coming. All right, more coming up on the Rodden
Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine k
n rs.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, it's the app is good. If you don't have
the the iHeartRadio app, you got to get that and
then because that's how you can get the podcast as well,
and the talkback. We love the talk back feature where
he gives you thirty seconds to get to take that way.
If you don't want to call them talk to E Ray,
which I totally understand, then you can. You can. You

(17:09):
said I was number one, come.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
On pointing pointing out that you are in fact number one.
I am number one, all right send. Former Senator John
Joe Mansion today said the US must find new ways
to increase production. Greg of Rare Earth's warning that China
is consolidating US monopoly on the global markets for critical minerals.
Now that goes along with the story the other day

(17:34):
that Wyoming has now opened a dual mind coal for power,
rare earth for everything else. This is an very very
important move up in Wyoming.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
It is it's a it's a it's a big find.
It's a big deal. It's going to bring jobs. It's
going to be and again, we cannot be so dependent
on what was it ninety percent of not only mind
rare minerals, but process rare minerals are coming from China.
That is a scary ratio. We cannot have be that
in that dependent on a country like China.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, joining us on our news Baker line right now
to talk more about this you know from the Epoch
Times is John Hoagley. John, how are you welcome to
the Roden Greg Show. Thanks for joining us, John, you bet,
thank you, thank you. Agreed in the story, John tell
us about this mine and why why it's getting so
much attention.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Well it I guess it's the first one to come
online in uh in more than seventy years, we only
have one rare earth. Mind now, rare earths are actually
not very rare, but it's difficult to find them in
profitable concentrations. I guess you would say, you know, so
what's happening though, is they are finding them in a

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lot of previously mined areas that all waste and other
and other places that actually makes some of these minerals
like coal. Perhaps in this mind, this rare earth mind
has coal, but probably not enough coal for them to
open up and for it to be exclusively dedicated to coal,

(19:04):
because it would only be producing like two million I'm
not sure quite like the annual numbers, but it would
only be producing like ten million tons a year of
coal compared to that small potatoes compared to what some
of other Wyoming operators are ready produced. So you know,
in other words, there's really not a profitable coal operation,

(19:26):
but of the in and of it itself, but you know,
by also being aware of these rare earths, and I
guess they're concentrations of them, and we can go through
all the seventeen because they have like seven different and
they all are like and with I U M and
like words that you've ever hurt, like they are you know,

(19:47):
apparently they are all fundamental compounds to you know, advanced manufacturing.
And you know, so I mean, I'm going to a
shrone of mine this week, Yeah, maybe a seri as
tomorrow and me nobody thinks of what Torona is, but
that's you know, they've become so toa ash and that

(20:08):
is like a ubiquitous you know, a compound. Do so
many products all around you right now and big ones
down here, you.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Know, John here here in the state of Utah, mining
is it was a big, big industry. I mean, we
have a county called Carbon County. Can you imagine they
mine Its main industry was coal and uh and then
you saw the leftists get in charge and they started
destroying the extraction industries across this country.

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
In Utah we also used to mine rare minerals uranium,
for example, in Grand County. We have we know because
of past mining uh rare minerals located in the state
of Utah. My question is, with this find in Wyoming
and with extraction being cool again, we can do it
and we need to. Well we see that industry grow

(20:55):
and address you know, the United States needs for rare
minerals in states like Utah.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Well, I believe that there was some type of I
haven't read all my emails because I'm on the road
and I'm playing hooky from normal office. It's not watching
the same not not doing through the same rhythms, and
having to be responsible to the daily news cycle the
way I often have to be. But you know, I

(21:22):
am reading something about some kind of executive actions or
related to uranium, and I know here in Wyoming that's
something that Governor Gordon discussed at at the ceremony the
ceremony of rhybon cutting at at Ramco's Ramco's offices, he

(21:44):
mentioned like, well, I mean, it's nice that we've got
this thing going on with the bare earth, but let's
let's move on some uranium. In other words, we got
plenty of but while we're at it, we've got plenty
of uranium and get it.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, John, let me ask you, what are they saying
about the potential of this line that was just open.
I guess it was in Ranchester, Wyoming. What is the
potential of that? Mind?

Speaker 7 (22:07):
Well, I guess the the actual production? Yeah, could like
it could it could be h Well, I mean it's
it's hard to equate to like normal terms, but I
mean they say like they could produce thirty percent of
of all the minerals needed to produce you know, these

(22:29):
advanced magnets, these type of super magnets that are especially keyes.
In other words, they could they just from there, they
could take five percent of the nation's demand to that
and thirty percent of the pentagons just in that one mind.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Wow, wow, what potential. Well John, great job and reporting
on this. Thanks for a few minutes of.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
Your time, No problem, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Thank you for your work on our newsmaker line. That's
John Hogy. He is with the Epoch Times reporting the up.
This huge mine which just opened up in Wyoming could
present the country with some real potential on some of
those rare we need.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
You can actually get something like that done, and it
should be a bell weather for more to come. We
should be able to see this happen in Utah as well.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, all right, Mary coming up on the rod in
Greg shuld.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Hey, by the way, Yes, how you you were? You
were partying like it was nineteen ninety nine? Last night?
How was the old it was like night? How was
the little Barry Manilow concert?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I will tell you a couple of crazy kid, a
couple of things. He sold it out? That place was
packed last time?

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Was that was that? The was that the.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Maverick Center median age was probably my age?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well you know when you said sold it out, I
thought maybe there was a park pavilion somewhere.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
But this was the Mavericks, This Maverick Center he had
with thirteen fourteen thousand people there last night.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Barry Manila, Barry Manila. Yeah, what was the what was
the big song? Like Mandy? What was the big song?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Everyone was well Mandy was his first big hit. Yeah,
that was in nineteen seventy five. You and I were
just talking about this. In the seventies, a lot happened
to me. Yeah, in the happened to you. You know
when you make fun of my generation.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, I thought you were at least fifty years apart
from me.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
No on, but it was a good countor I mean
he you sit there and listen to all the hits
that he had during the seventies. He was a big
deal and he still sells out is showing Vegas.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Did you anyone's throw any bras on the stone? Okay?
I just want to you know, I hear the guy's
a bit of a crooner, like the women really go
crazy for very manly.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
He didn't do that, Okay. He put on a terrific
show last night. It was a lot of fun. I
used to play those songs when I was a disc
jockey years ago. Wow, So don't be don't be making
fun you. They were still talking about you. Do you
want me to get on and you about Journey?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
No, because you're no. The whole audience actually agrees with
me on Journey. You are so wrong about Journey. Journey
is a phenomenal band.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
We all love except for you. But no, I just
I it was fun last night. You were all excited
yesterday coming at all ready to go.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
My wife, yes, she asked this and I wanted to
make her happy and she loved it. She had a
good time.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
But sounds like you got through the whole thing. We're dancing, man,
let your hair down, Rod, what hair I have left?
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Hey, we had some serious news that we were going
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I went to MANI.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Gone after me about Barry Manilog.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I bet there are a lot of our audience who
went to the very Manelo concert last night.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Maybe maybe maybe maybe not my demo.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I bet I get five comments from people, five people
who went last night.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
This is where the fake news kicks in. Nobody knows
your face. There's no way they talked about the show
by seeing you. You can't be seen and talk about it.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
He did a nice thing last night. Can I share
what he did last night?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Okay, he has the Manelo Music Project. He very concerned
about schools not having the instruments to be able to
enjoy music, right, so he set up this Manelo Music Project.
He spent ten million dollars over the years providing schools
with equipment, you know, instruments they need. And every town
that he goes in to have a concert, he recognized

(26:07):
the music teacher and he did that last night as
a teacher from Riverton High School and gave him ten
thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Does he write those songs that make the whole world sing?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Is that him?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
You just I just can't remember. I can't.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
You're just asking, see, how did you know that song?
Because you're a man, a little fan. You just won't
admit just.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Saying no, I just I didn't know if he sung
that song. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yes, he did sing the song. He writes those songs,
You're right, But the whole world sings? Yes? And he
wrote Mandy, Yeah, Mandy? And but is it she was
probably named after that song?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Maybe you just before she was born?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, so see, I bet she was named after that
maybe so see, how do you know these songs if
you're not a fan?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Say, by the way, so you ten thousand dollars back
to that Riverton.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
He got ten thousand dollars for his music class at
reference to night school. Nice, that's some nice recognition. He
does this in every town he performs it.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Wonder if the bands have to play the Manilow songs
as the deal.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well maybe maybe maybe. So it's a big orchestra behind him. Wow,
So no, so nobody cares about what we're talking about
right now? Do you know that?

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Well?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I just I just want to know how your night went.
I just wanted to stick it to me.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
You're a Verry Manilo fan and you're still swifty. You
still have that going for you too, So.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
You're nailing me with everything today. All right, more coming
up our number two? Can I read you this email?

Speaker 6 (27:28):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Gee?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Here you ready for you if you want to read this?
And guy is not this guy is not a big
fan of either one of us.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh good, At least it's sequel opportunity.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Are you ready to listen to your schlock? Yes, that's
what word For the first time today, I was programming
my new car in the radio needless to say, you
will not be on the set button. You both are
hypocrites and not worth a future listen. What can I
send us that email?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, I'll tell you this. I think it's a great
refiners fire. If that individual feels that way, I don't
think he should listen to this show. I think it'd
be unhealthy for him. You know, he has clearly it
must be something to do with Trump arrangement syndrome. But
that's okay. I think I think we'll survive.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, without this.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I always found a lot of criticism, especially about politics
or my positions, if people were upset. I found that
to be positive social proofing. I thought that, you know,
people that are blah, people that sit on fences, nobody
really cares one way or the other. When you can
raise the ire of a leftist, well you must be
onto something.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
You feel better.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, I think so. You can be judged by the
enemies you keep.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Obviously, this guy doesn't like us.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think that means we are firmly in a position
and we're taking positions and it's not going to be
acceptable to all.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
All right, I'm okay with that. Yeah, let's talk about
this story we saw today. Any Ray pointed this one
out to us about this debate over a new law
when it comes to bike lanes here in the state
of Utah.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I got a whole thing about bikes.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
You do.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh yeah, I'm a grown man. I haven't rode a
bicycle since I was sixteen when I got a driver's license.
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Don't you like bikes? No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I don't ride bicycles because I'm not a child. That's why.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
So you think anybody that rides bikes as a.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Child, Yes, I think it's immature. I think there should
be a motor attached to the calls down. Let me
tell you something now, for all those that like to
ride bikes, if it means that you're not in your
car in my way, sitting on a green light watching
your phone, I'd go ride your bicycles wherever you want.
I'm not a bicycle rider because I'm a grown man.
I don't write.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So you're making fun of me because I ride a bike,
you ride bicycle?

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yes, then I just have a.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Couple of years ago, my wife and I bought these
new e bikes.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
E bikes you got a little bit of an engine
in it. So you know you're a bike, motorcycles, mopeds,
anything that is motorized. I can respect. If you're just riding,
what do you put a little You put your baseball
cart into spokes and let it sound like an engine.
Is that what you do? You put those little on
that on the handleball?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, because you use.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I had a BMX bike. I used to you did that.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
You did that.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I didn't put the I didn't put the come on
really really baseball card. And I liked my car.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I have a bike. It is an e bike. But
one of my son's big cyclist. He likes to get
out there and ride. You know, he'll go twenty thirty
forty miles on his bike.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
So the marriage draper Troy, We've been friends for a
long time. He calls me and says, Huge, you want
to go mountain bike riding? And I say, no, Mayor,
I don't want to ride bicycles in the woods with you. No,
I'm a grown man.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
So Troy Rollins is a bike rider.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Troy Walker is a He's an avid mountain biker.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Good for him, but I'm not grown man. They want
to get out, get the exercise, they want to enjoy
the outdoors. I can't believe you hate If.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
You've seen anybody our agent that does that. There always
I got an eye patch on, or they got a
broken collar bone, or they got some kind of injury.
You got someone having to pull you off of some mountain,
or you've been a road biker and then you get
hit by somebody. It's I think bicyclists, and then they
have to why you gotta wear Spandex? Do you wear
the Spandex when you ride your bike? For some reason,
everybody's gotta wear Spanx with like advertisements on makes them

(31:05):
go faster. Oh my goodness. I think it's a bet.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Down on the wind resistance.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not buying it. I think it's
I think it's for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Are you opposed the bike lanes obviously?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Well?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I I think people go overboard on them. I would
love to see a bike a bicyclist in a bike lane.
They're never in them. They're always in my lane, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, no, no, I see them in bike lanes all
the time.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Nope, not my no. Where they have a place they
could ride the bike they like to. It's got too
much gravel or rocks or something. So they come up
into the into the road where I'm at. That's what
they do. Just like I said, I'm a grown man.
I don't ride bicycle.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, we'll get some calls on this now from our
good friend who doesn't like our slock.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I am what I am. I'm like Popeye, I am
what I am. That's it.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well, there is a new law out there that was
passed by lawmakers this year by the governor. When I
was illegal for cars to stop, park or drive in
a bike lane with a few exceptions and see vehicles.
See now we have protect Now can I share a
personal I lost a good friend in a bike accident.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
And I was going to make it heavy. I can't
even be starts about.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
He was a prolific bike rider, a great, great guy,
and you know he was in a he was in
a biking accident.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
You know, I don't want to sound callous, but you
might be making my point. I don't want to sound insensitive.
I just said, have you seen anyone our age when
ridey's bicycles?

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (32:26):
I do.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
You end up getting hurt or worse?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
They want to get out? Don't they have a right
to the road just so we do? Why not absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Why not because the taxpayer money didn't pay for that
road for a bicyclist to ride a bicycle and paid
for our cars to be on it. But I'm fine
with bike lanes, but this law is you're going to describe,
it means that you can't you can't be your car
can't be anywhere near it. Meanwhile, their bicycles can be
all in our our lanes for our vehicles, which isn't

(32:55):
fair and creates a hierarchy where bicyclists have can rule
the road more than a motorist and I think that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Well, the police chief out in Cottonwood Heights, his name
is Robbie Russo, is having some issues with this because
let's say your house is there and there's a bike
line a lane in front of your house, and you
need to park one of your vehicles out on the street. Yes,
if you park in the bike lane, which I don't
know how you avoid, you're going to get a fine.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
It's mayah, this isn't this is crazy. This is this
is why we can't have nice things. We pass laws
like this that that law is not reasonable. It's not
you have to the road is meant for the automobile and.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's not for a bicycle. You're saying you want to
bandle all bikes.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Well, no I don't. I would like to put them
in their proper priority, which is way way down the list.
But I like people that ride like they're somehow okay
with riding bikes because they get out of cars and
they get out of my way, which is great. So
I'll give them a lane. But if I have to
somehow never be in that lane, I'm in trouble. Or
I can't park my car in front of my house

(34:02):
because it was to this is that's that is a
bike lane too far, A bike lane like a bridge
too far, A bike lane too far. By the way,
if you spend any time down in Salt Lake, they
have built a zillion wide bicycle lanes and if you
can find, you can find byclists as far as the
eye can see, you'd be lucky. They're they're totally underutilized,

(34:25):
and yet they're giant, and they're everywhere they put those
they put those lanes. Yeah, it's just it is too much.
It's way too much. It's like they're trying to chase
the cars out of Salt Lake City. Really, Yeah, it's
over the top. Well it's the mayor and so look,
you don't see it. You don't see people using them.
You see them here and there, you don't see them
used like you clearly.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
See you want to see them being used. I mean,
we have bike lanes in Davis County. We have bike
lanes in Kysville, and a lot of people use them,
and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
The amount of road that a bicycle lane takes up
should be commensurate with the amount of travel that that
road would receive. There are way more cars trying to
go now in a more narrow lane or one lane
because they made half of the road a bike lane.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
So you are saying on heavily used roads there shouldn't
be bike lanes.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
If you're if you have city at the name of
your name, like Salt Lake City, Okay, then no city.
If you do, it should be small. Have you seen
the narrow tires? They don't need any more than that.
I'd give them. I'd give them a foot that one
you get a foot, I'll stay off.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Do you know how angry you're making bike riders? Half
our audience are probably bike riders, and they'll never listen
to I.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Think they're more sensible than that. I don't think they're
all by. They're grown adults. They're not going to ride
bicycles around.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So adults, according to you shouldn't ride bison.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Once you get a driver's license, a bicycle is out
of the picture from that point on it. And if
you want to ride a dirt bike, or if you
want to ride a motorcycle, if you want to ride whatever.
But yeah, bicycles are for kids. They're for children. It's
a child's toy. You have got to be a child's toy.
I know I've always thought you're out there a little bit,
but you are a way. I'll tell you this was
my going aunt when I was a lawmaker. Many people

(36:01):
have heard this and involuntarily they didn't want to hear it,
but they heard it because I feel this. You don't
you don't like strongly about you don't like bikes. No,
but I'm open to bike lanes for those that like them.
But they don't get to rule the road. Now, they
don't rule the road. This bill does it. Let's go
to the calls.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Fine, now we have got time for that. We'll get
to the colors that are just Yeah, you're looking for
too long? Yeah eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero triple eight five seven o eight or a
one zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifty
and say hey Rod, or on our talk back line.
You can let us have it there as well. Eight
eight eight five seven o eights or a one zero.
The lines light up? You ready, SmartLess roasting baby. All day,

(36:43):
you've just been moaning and complaining about life. You have
OPT All right, let's go to the phone. See what
you think about bike lanes the rules out there. We
begin with Tom in Cottonwood Heights. Hey, Tom, how are you.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Good?

Speaker 7 (36:57):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
We're doing well with your thoughts on that old man.

Speaker 9 (37:00):
I don't know who that old man is there with
you today, bicycle?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Thank you, Tom.

Speaker 9 (37:06):
I tell you I'm glad he's not a lawmaker. The
problem was not what heights is is they put those
they put those bike lanes in in residential areas. It's
stupid because you really can't park your car. I mean,
I'm an avid cyclist and I don't really agree with
most bike lanes.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
So yeah, so Tom, I.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
So are you saying, Tom? What about a major roads
where a lot of these cyclists go to ride their
bikes to put in some miles. They don't ride through
the neighborhoods. Should they have bike lanes?

Speaker 9 (37:37):
Well, what they do ride to the neighborhoods. Because those
of us all cycle a lot, we have bike throughs
that we ride where we try to purposely avoid as
much traffic as possible.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Uh huh.

Speaker 9 (37:48):
So there are places where you can, but for the
most part, you tried to what youre don't ride with
the parts you can help it, and so you know,
it's sort of places that may make sense to have
some bike lanes, but they've gone crazy with putting in
lane all through residential neighborhoods and places where it just
didn't make any sads All right.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Tom Now I don't I don't travel a lot in
Salt Lake City, but I know the mayor is a
big fan of these things, and maybe they put too
many around.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
No, they have. It's not even a question, it's it's
it's overkill. Okay, let's go back to it. Let's go
back to our listeners. Uh, let's go to John from
Pleasant View, who's been waiting. Thank you for holding John.
What do you say about these bicycles?

Speaker 10 (38:29):
I got to say, Greg, You're one hundred percent right,
and Ron, you were falling into the trap that is
being set by literally billions of dollars being funneled into
organizations in our cities to push bike lanes and literally
to push you out of your car. And I've been
fighting this for eight years. I've started two organizations, Keep
LA Moving. Because I'm originally from Los Angeles. One of
the reasons i fled Los Angeles was because of these

(38:51):
horrible traffic policies there. And believe me, I'm a good one.
I'm the California and you want in you Tom, I
didn't here to Messa the state, so don't.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Johnny John John not a good point.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's got two organizations and I'm telling you that he's
He's right. They're trying to push us. We pay our
gas taxes, we pay for all these roads, and then
they try to push us out of these roads with
these to.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Push you out of the road.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
The road say touch your car into their lane. That's
not their lane. Even use there for.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
People out there who enjoy biking for recreational purposes.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Well recreate where you're not on the road. I'm trying
to drive to get somewhere I got. I'm a grown man.
I'm trying to get somewhere.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
All right. Should we go to Amy and Sandy? See
what Amy has to say on the Rod and Greg Show? Amy,
save us man, he's going crazy?

Speaker 11 (39:36):
Well, I would say I'm mostly on greg side. I
don't like them, but but they're allowed to be on
the road. That's that's just the way that it is.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
You can't change it.

Speaker 11 (39:45):
But to me, if you aren't insured, you shouldn't be
allowed to be on the road because if you cause
the accident, the other person is still going to have
to pay for it because you're not insured. My husband
got hit by somebody last week and I never thought
about this, and I'm like, even though it's his fault,

(40:08):
you're gonna we have to pay for it if we
have to claim it on our deductible, on our insurance.
Because he does not insured, he can't do anything about it.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 11 (40:19):
Enough to put your tidy bike and expose your body
and risk your life on the road on any vehicle,
you should be.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Insured, all right.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Is there such a thing as insure insurance for a cyclist?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
There must be insurance. There's insurance exists, so there should
be there should be insurance for that. But it makes
so much sense. Look, if a bicyclest caused if a
bicyclist causes a car accident, that bicyclist doesn't have to pay.
You got to be kidding me. I didn't even think.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I don't know what the rules are. Let's go to
the rules.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Let's go to Chris in Ogden. Chris, welcome to the
Ronning Greg Show. Thank you for holding what say you? Sir?

Speaker 12 (41:01):
Hey guys, how are you?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
You know what?

Speaker 12 (41:03):
I just got to tell you. Most of all, I
appreciate you so much. You're awesome. You guys make me laugh.

Speaker 13 (41:09):
All day long.

Speaker 12 (41:10):
Anyways, the bike, the bike thing, the bike thing. The
other day, I was in an intersection. I had a
bicyclist in front of me in my turn lane and man,
you're just you're you're blocking the whole intersection. Dude, You've
got ten cars behind me that are trying to get through,
and then he's trying to move over into the bike lane.

(41:33):
You know, it just creates a mess, and uh, it's
super annoying. And Greg on your side, buddy.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Chris, you sound like a grown man. Do you ride
a child's bicycle around, or you're driving a motorized vehicle.

Speaker 12 (41:49):
No, I'd rather walk.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
As some of the wisdom of our listeners are.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You're just against anybody that rides a bike.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I think a bike is a child's toy. That's what
I think it is. I think the adults ride motorized vehicles.
That's why you pay the cast tax.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You know what the way this show is doing today,
I may shove you in another studio. I don't know
if I can stand you in the same studio. All right,
we'll go back to more your calls, more your comments
on our talk back line.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
We have some waiting.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Please hold you, please hold. We'll get to your comments
coming up on the Rotten Greg Show eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero. Cell phone dial pound
two fifty and say hey Rod or the talkback line.
We got a lot of comments on talkback. We'll try
and get to those as well. But let's get to
our phone call.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, callers have been listeners have been waiting patiently. Let's
go to Case in West Jordan. Case, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. What's say you, sir?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
All right? Well, hey, first of all, love the show. Greg, going, guys, thanks, Hey.

Speaker 14 (42:44):
Hopefully Rod, you don't need some therapy or counseling after
I make my comment, I say that, But.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Greg is right, man.

Speaker 14 (42:54):
Greg is absolutely right. The bikes are just absolutely annoying
on the side of the road. And I swear they
ride closest to the cars and not closest to the curb,
just to I think annoy you.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
They don't do that case people, they don't do that.
They do.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Close to that line as possible, and then they drift
over on our side. And then we're going to make
a law that says we can't actually go into that
bike lane at all.

Speaker 14 (43:25):
That is just I totally agree with Greg. And and secondly,
you know the we pay a gas tax, we pay
vehicle taxes, those bikes don't. And there's so much wasted
real estate on those bike lanes that we could put
another on some roads in West Jordan here, we could
put another two lanes, one on each side of the

(43:45):
road to lighten the traffic count or the traffic load.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
But they don't.

Speaker 14 (43:51):
And so I Greg, Greg is right on spot, got
my support, got my vote.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
And uh, I don't know who good.

Speaker 14 (43:57):
Counselors are rought, but hopefully you can find a good Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Hey, hey, Case, let me just let me respond to
one point you make. Cyclists also pay taxes. They drive vehicles,
they pay.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Roads actors in their bicycles.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
They don't ride them all the time.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Greg's right, Greg's right. Not what the amount of real estate?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I don't agree with you.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
Know.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
We gotta give Case a hotline in here. He's got
to get a direct line. He's that guy's dialed in.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Let's go to Cottonwood Heights and hear from Ted. Ted
weigh in on this. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 9 (44:27):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Rod and Greg? Thanks for your show. You guys got
your finger on the pulster and solid and Rod. I'm sorry,
but Greg is one hundred and ten thousand percent right.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Thank you, Ted.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
These bicyclists want to be on the road, they should
register their vehicles. They should pay taxes like we do,
like regular drivers do. They should get insurance in case
of an accident, which nine times out of ten is
their fault. Yes, wow, what drivers are the ones that suffer.
If they're gonna be on the road, they're going to
use the roads. The roads weren't made for bicyclists to

(44:58):
begin with, they were made for cars. Our population in
this city is getting worse and worse and worse. It's
getting bigger. The roads are getting plugged up. If bicycles
want to be on the road, register your vehicle. The
same with the scooters, the electric bikes.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
They use the road.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Why can't they be registered, Why can't they be insured?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Well, well, let me let me respond to that, because
people they we already pay taxes. I pay taxes, and
I would use my bike for recreational purpose. I pay taxes.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Right, A gasoline tax is a use tax. If you're
not driving your car, then you're not using. You're not
paying for the road that you're on.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I've already paid for with my taxes.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's not a one time fee. It's for the it's
by the mile, it's by the the gallon of gash
you buy.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Now, let's go back to the phones. Let's go to market,
West Mark, How are you welcome to the show?

Speaker 15 (45:49):
Good evening, gentlemen, and one hundred percent with Greg. I
think that if you're gonna put the lanes in because
you don't get a choice, then the lanes need to
be six inches out by the width of the handlebars.
And that's it. You'd go single file. And I told
the caller, I said, are the screen screener. If you

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have time for a very quick, very very quick, funny story,
I got one for you.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Go real fast. Okay.

Speaker 15 (46:16):
I was in Maryland, and I don't see you've ever
been in Maryland. But there's no such thing as a
straight road. They put all the roads down either where
the deer paths are or the rebel army wins.

Speaker 16 (46:25):
Yes.

Speaker 15 (46:26):
But as you're riding along all those guys are those
bike riders go out on these rural roads and they're
in the middle of the road. I come up on
a lady who's laying on the middle of the road
holding two hamstrings.

Speaker 16 (46:39):
And I go, are you okay?

Speaker 17 (46:41):
She goes, my husband's up there.

Speaker 15 (46:43):
So I go screaming up the road and her husband's
just peddling like a bat out of you know what.
And I pull up next to him, roll my window down.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I go hey, he goes, yeah, I go.

Speaker 7 (46:53):
Where's your wife?

Speaker 2 (46:54):
She's behind me.

Speaker 17 (46:55):
No, she's in the middle of the road.

Speaker 18 (46:57):
Holding her hamstrings.

Speaker 19 (46:58):
You want to go back and get her?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Oh crap wood, that's a good yeah, it's a good guy.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
See these bicyclists are the element you have to save
them from themselves.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Cyclists are good people. You guys, are the meaning cyclist.
I am not. There are just would you? Would you
agree there are bad drivers?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yes, thank you, but you know Ted pointed out that
the bad drivers are registered, insured and pay taxes. You're
bicyclists do not.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
All right, let's go to Brad in Pleasant View tonight. Brad,
how are you welcome to the rotting grad show. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (47:36):
Guys, Hey, just really quick, Rod, I think you one
hundred percent correct. We I drive the majority of the time,
I pay my taxes, but I.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
Also enjoy riding my bike.

Speaker 13 (47:47):
Now, I get up fairly early in the morning, quarter
to four and do a nice bike ride before work,
so I can get in early and avoid the traffic
as well.

Speaker 15 (47:54):
But also the excessive stuff.

Speaker 13 (47:58):
I'll agree with Greg on that. If they're doing that
for the bike ride riders, no, let's let's find a
happy medium in between. But I really think if Greg
got out and rode a bike, a man's bike. I
don't know if he could do that or not, but
a man's bike, it would I think it would sound
like a motorcycle, because I can just hear it as

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he gets on and starts pedaling.

Speaker 20 (48:21):
You could hear the like a two stroke.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
It'd be.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Actually, you know, I don't know. I'll take case to
call him. I'll take Ted, I'll take any of these cars.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
But I but is he still on?

Speaker 16 (48:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Okay, he says he rides in the morning. I want
to know does he stay strictly inside that bike or
does he go into the roads? No, because there's usually
on this one, there's not as many rocks and stuff
on the roads. They go on the road.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Let's go to ray and Farmingdon ray way in on this.
What do you say?

Speaker 21 (48:57):
Hey, Yeah, I do like to make a comment about
trips downtown Slake. We used to go all the time
out to dinner and entertainment until bicyclists who have no
concern or care about cars are just everywhere. I mean,
we've completely quit going down there, and I wonder if
they understand the economic impact that it's created.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, that's a good point. I don't drive enough in
Salt Lake City downtown to know how bad the bike liks.
Knowing the mayor, she probably prefers bikes over cars.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Been This is weird agenda. I mean if you look
at the way these roads I mean they're wide because
remember used to have to be able to turn them
one of docks and to be able to turn around
on U turn. Well, they've gone and taken so much
of that for these bicycle lanes, and they got the
raised curbs for them and stuff. It's like they're trying
to repel the cars out of there. Even the way
the traffic lights are timed seems to be against anyone

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trying to get anywhere in a car in that town.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Are you surprised by any of this? Knowing the mayor
that we have.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
No But I'm just telling you this is just nuts.
And you know what, there's not enough for all the
bicyclists that actually do think that there are, you know
that like riding, but there's not enough of them justifying
how much real estate they're taking up on those roads.
I'm telling you all right, I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Or your calls and comments coming up eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero, I'll pound two to
fifty and say hey, Rod, and we've got a lot
of comments on our talk back line. We'll try to
get to some of those comments as well.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Bicycles belong under at Christmas trees at Christmas time for children,
that's when you should see a bicycle.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I've heard this ran before. Welcome back to the Rod
and Greg Show. We're talking about bicycles and bike lanes safety.
Let's go to the phones.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Let's go to Tim and Bountiful.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Tim.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thank you for
holding What say you, sir?

Speaker 16 (50:43):
Wow?

Speaker 19 (50:44):
Funny get to talk to you guys. Hey, I just
got a couple of comments about this. The thing that
frustrates me with the bicycles and the bike lanes Number
one is the bicycle is a vehicle on the road.

Speaker 16 (50:54):
I'm a commercial driver.

Speaker 19 (50:56):
And I have to navigate that they pick and choose
when they want to be a vehicle and when they
don't want to be a vehicle. You know, I was
making a right turn coming down the UH Trappers Loop
and there's a whole bunch of construction there and I'm
just about to start my right turn. If I hadn't
looked back in that mirror just before I went, I

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would have ran over a guy because he was sneaking
past me and not accounting for the off tracking of
my trailer. And the thing I don't like about that
is that it's going to ruin his life. But it's
going to ruin mind.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Ye.

Speaker 19 (51:30):
And then they then they pick and choose whether they
want to ride across a crosswalk. They can't take a
vehicle in that pedestrian crosswalk because we were kids, we
had to get off our bikes and walk them across
the crosswalk and get back on them. And so so
they're not they're not paying attention to those rules, and
yet they want to get after us when we don't
treat them as a vehicle. And then one last comment,

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they get a bike lane and they ride on the
white line right next to the motor vehicles.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
We're here, thank you very much.

Speaker 19 (52:00):
And that is and we're supposed to give him. We're
supposed to give him three feet. The reason they ride
there is because there's no pebbles there, because the car
tires will pick him up and throw them. And then
over in their lane there's a bunch of those pebbles
and they don't want to deal with that, but you
know they and then they want to scream that they
want that three foot buffer.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Oh, and then and they.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Want to take one lane out of beck Street into
a bike plane, one bull lane, and then the last
one is beck Street's going to lose a lane going
going going uh northbound, So instead of having three lanes,
are going to have two.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Pow with you that's actually talking about this too. I
love the boat. I mean we can hear him too.
It's awesome.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
Well, yeah, I.

Speaker 19 (52:44):
Know he's he's supposed to be quiet and just.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Listen as I am. All right, Jim, thank you. I
work with one of those people. He's supposed to be quiet,
but he chimes in everything he's talking.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
He's got another guy talked about getting robbed on beck
Street with that. No, that is honestly the truth. And
there's also a listener that said that sometimes they just
want to ride side by side because they want to
stay away from the rocks or whatever's in the bike lane.
They're they're firmly side by side, one barely in the
bike lane, the other one in the road that you
have to somehow go around and stay three feet around
and then you're not allowed to be inside the lane.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
All right, let's see if we can squeeze one more
color and we're going to carry this over, folks. So
if you still want to come Hope, please carry these
comments in Bluffdale. Brian, go ahead, you've got about a minute.

Speaker 18 (53:29):
Go ahead, Oh, Rod, you are correct.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (53:36):
The first thing people don't understand is the shoulders are horrible. Okay,
you want us to ride in the shoulder, that's great,
but we can get thrown off by rocks and crap
in the shoulder into traffic. Number two, the trucker does
have a point. Okay, we don't take into consideration the

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the uh the trailer. I'll give them that, but uh,
this tax argument. Stop with the tax argument. Everybody who
rideses a road bike owns your car.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Thank you, Brian. I've got to cut you off because
we've got to get to our news update. But you're right,
we all pay taxes, so don't look at me.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
If you your car and paying the gallon of gas
to get somewhere and using your bike, you're not paying
for that road when you're using it. It's a gasoline target.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Where did you come up with this argument?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
The more you drive it, the more gas you pay,
the more you're contriving to the road.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
All right, more your calls coming up, and we'll get
to our talkback comments as well. Stay with us more
coming up on the Rod and great show. We have
had quite the debate in the last hour over bicycles
and bike lanes here in Utah. Mister Hughes, who apparently
became a grown up when he turned eighteen and got
his driver's license, is grown man, so he no longer
rides a bike. For those of us who do ride

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a break, he is getting.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
After us, Well, you're not. You're just hogging the road.
You're getting your bikelane. Our listener who called he actually
made my point in in defensive bicycle riders. He said,
you can't ride in the in the in the bike
lane because there's too much gravel in the bike lane.
This is my point. No one's riding in that bike lane.
They're riding in our road. And now they get a
bike lane and a road. And then because you're staying

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away from the side where there might be too much gravel,
you're on the white line of that so called bike lane.
And then, heaven forbid, there's two of you. You're not
in a single file. You want to ride next to
each other. Have a great chat while I'm sitting behind
without a way to get around. What about that so fine,
just like you do. Let's go to the phones. Let's
go to Dan in Pleasant View tonight on the Rod

(55:45):
and Greg Show. Dan, how are you? Thanks so much
for joining us.

Speaker 22 (55:49):
Good good, Good to talk to you guys. Uh, this
is kind of I've never called into a radio show before,
so I'm welcome. This is new to me.

Speaker 19 (55:57):
But but this is a topic that kind of hits home.

Speaker 22 (56:00):
Because I I drive a vehicle, I ride a road bike,
I act have a mountain bike that I ride not
super often, and I have a motorcycle. And uh, taking
a motorcycling motorcycling recently, and I was really impressed with
the safety course that they have for that. And after
riding a motorcycle for a while, like I, you know,
you you learn a lot of things about it. But

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I'm shocked still that we even think about mixing bicycles
with vehicles on the same road, like bike lanes on
a on a road where vehicles travel. Makes no sense
to me whatsoever. I think biking is great. We should
have bikes, but they should have their own trails. That
a trail, someone can walk and ride a two wheeled

(56:43):
cycle that's not a motorcycle, them safe and they could,
they could pay taxes for it, or we can all
pay taxes for it. But I think I think it's
great that trail they have by the Legacy Parkway. We
drive by there pretty often.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
It's like a great way to work.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Let me let me tell you what Dan, I write
on that I've ridden on that it is a bike,
it is a great trail. And I see a lot
of bikers with either e bikes or the the bikes
that a lot of people ride, and I see a
lot of people using them. That's a good suggestion. And
that's where I go.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Okay, man just found agreement because Dan he found he found.

Speaker 22 (57:19):
That Kevin bikes bikes on roads is to.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Me just all right, all right, Dan, thank you, Thank you,
Dan appreciated.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Let's go now to roy Hill Air Force Base, roy
thank you for holding. Welcome to the run and Greg show.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Good evening.

Speaker 17 (57:37):
I'd just like to say that a little common courtesy
goes a long way. On both parts needs to be
very aware of their surroundings, and the drivers need to
be cognizance of the bicycles and the motorbikes and whatnot.
Uh you know, as my father used to say. And
I'll let you go after this. Pay attention boy.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, pay attention, I attention. Would I just want again?
I would say part of that, you know, common courtesy
is they stay well in their bike lane and we
stay on the road. And will you be happy if
they well and it doesn't need to hog the whole
road the bike lane their bikes in front of their house?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Do you not like them if they stay in the bike.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Lane, if they stayed not on the line either, just
stay in the bike lane, yes, get inside the bike lane.
And I don't think those bike lanes should be in
front of people's houses either.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Well, I would agree with you on that. You know,
people have a right to park in front of their
house in my opinion. Let's go back to the phones
mark in South Jordan high mark.

Speaker 23 (58:39):
Oh, I'm uh, it's been very interesting listening this. I'm
probably a lot of minority. I would agree that putting
your bike lanes in front of houses messing up the
parking with an issue. But and I also read when I,
at about sixteen or seventeen, got my first the bicycle

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didn't get any use for many many years, but later
on I did learn from my son who was also
had a driver's license. By that point I got a
mountain bike, and I don't know how anyway, one time
I had to take a home from a store or something,
and I started to find a discovering the bicycle and

(59:22):
could be a lot of fun. And I ended up
getting a mountain bike and later on what's called a
touring bike. And at one point I was bicycling several
days a week, not every week, but servl from South
Jordan to West Valley, Convening to work and back, and
I would get two hours worth of exercise for about

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the cost of one hour at a time, because it
was half an hour to drive each direction and an
hour to bicycle.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
But some of the other.

Speaker 23 (59:54):
People, I think, I think that we need to kind
of realize and be courteous each other. Drivers need to
be courteous of bicyclist. Bicyclists need to be courteous or drivers.

Speaker 15 (01:00:07):
And there are.

Speaker 23 (01:00:12):
A lot of you know, the cyclist drivers and politicians
don't always think the smartest Okay, all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Right, all right, Mark, And I know one politician.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
You don't look at me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I'm not one used to be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I'm a recovering perform.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
You saw the light, you saw the Light. All right,
let's go to Lester and Light and Lester weigh in
on this.

Speaker 8 (01:00:36):
What do you say, Hey, I've been listening to you
two guys, and I've been laughing my head.

Speaker 23 (01:00:43):
I just got back.

Speaker 16 (01:00:45):
I just got back two months.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
Ago from the Netherlands, and I had to watch out
the ten thousand bikes more than I did cars.

Speaker 16 (01:00:53):
I can't Those bicycles are.

Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
Driving like a bat out of hell, and I can't
remember how many. I'm a most guys hit by those guys.
They didn't care. And I listened to YouTube and I
just laughed my head off.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
YouTube.

Speaker 8 (01:01:06):
Need to go to the net events for a couple
of days.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, well, you know what he's so thank you, he's
telling us. That's what That's what you're buying into. Is
that that madness if you just keep going this way,
if people ever do decide, they're never going to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Be like we are never going to be guarantee.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
So well, let's not have some let's not have bike
lanes like the like Belgium and put it all there.
We don't have that many bicycles. Okay, we don't want
to be like Belgium, so let's let's pare.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
It back you know what they have in Europe a
lot of a lot of cities. I've been to Rome,
I've been to Paris. There are a lot of low
scooters out there. What do you do with scooters?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
If they can't go the speed, if they can't go
the current flow of traffic, they should have They should
be out there and in their own lanes somewhere far
away like that parkway.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
You're talking about a lot of scooters and them out there.
Let me tell you that. Let's go back to the
phones West Jordan, John speaking with us tonight. John, how
are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 16 (01:01:56):
Hey, how good Rod? And how are you guys doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
We're doing well?

Speaker 16 (01:01:59):
Maybe your tech messages buddy, Oh hey yeah. This is
my issue. My issue is when people are talking about
taxes on the highway. You know, when I take my
pontoon boat to Utah Lake, for example, and uh, I
don't have a motor on it, it's perfectly fine. But
the moment I put a motor on it, I now

(01:02:22):
have to get a registered which means I'm paying taxes.
But these e bikes will get boat ride in the
bicycle lane without having to pay taxes or having to register.
These vehicles because now they have a motor on it.
That's my issue with some of these, some of these
bike lanes, and I spoke to legislators about it. But

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the thing is, I don't believe that if I'm in
a one man pontoon boat, I should have to register
if the bikes don't have to register their the bikers
don't have to register their bikers once they're on the
road if they put a motor on. That's just my issue.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
All right, all right, Tony, that's an interesting point, Tony.
Thank you. We appreciate that. No, that was John. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. Now let's go.

Speaker 20 (01:03:11):
Hey Maron, Greg Steelers rule Ye happy with Aaron Rodgers.
Not happy with that rod the Steelers so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Issue.

Speaker 16 (01:03:20):
Okay, this was Salt Lake.

Speaker 20 (01:03:23):
Has done on seven hundred East from thirteen hundred south
to twenty one hundred south. They brought up a little
bit of the property, eliminated the bike lane and widened
the sidewalk where now that's the bike lane and sidewalk,
and they asphaltered it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
That can be everywhere.

Speaker 20 (01:03:50):
That would eliminate the bike lanes off the roads, that
eliminate the gravel and the gutters and all that the
bikers are safer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I like your idea. I like I'm picking up what
Tony's putting down. I like that idea. Here's a problem
those bikers. They think they're road warriors. They're not can
even go on that side. That asphot side.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Not all bikers are like that. There are a lot
of great bikers out there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Finish the sentence and wear spandex.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Well, are you opposed to spandex?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
It's a little bit much. Yeah, I think I am.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I think it's you don't you don't like bikes, you
don't like bikers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Why is it is it required? Since you're a bike
rider and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I don't wear I don't. I don't ride a touring bike.
I ride any bike.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Well, I think the spandex is a bit much, man.
But that's why they won't go on that sidewalk, like
Tony described, because they think they're you know, they gotta
they gotta advertise. That's what that spandex is. It's all advertisement.
It's disgusting, it's gross.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
All right, we're gonna come back, Like we said, we
had a lot of talkback callers on our talk back line.
We want to get to some of those comments. So
we're going to come back and air those comments and
let you hear what people are saying on the talk
back line. That's all coming up on the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
But that led to our a more broad discussion about
whether these bikes even stay in those bike lanes. They
find their way into the regular, you know, driving lane
of automobiles, and uh, you know a lot of us
think that there's a inequity going on here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Well you don't think anybody over eighteen should have a bike.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Sixteen sixteen because I'm a grown man. Yeah, I don't
need it. I don't I have had have a driver's license.
I haven't rode a bicycle since.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
How about how about people use it for their health
or just a pure enjoyment.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
We just get to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Warn are good listeners who I love. And if you
are advanced in age and you are riding a bicycle
in the woods, heaven forbid, you're riding a mountain bike.
That is a child's game you're playing, and that could
end up going wrong. You might be just it might
be just a bit too dangerous. You might want to
think that through.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Thank you, daddy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
That is a child's game. That is what bicycles or
for children?

Speaker 15 (01:05:53):
U huh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Do not ride in the dangerous trails in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
You had something for that is that you're just off today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Anybody knows me knows this has been my long held position.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I've worked with you long enough to know about every
one of your positions. All right, let's go to the
let's go to our talkback. Want you join a lot
of yeah in on this, So let's hear some of
these contracts.

Speaker 24 (01:06:14):
Rod and Greg. The bike lane, make them pay, have
them pay, pay a registration every year, just like cars,
Just like motorcycles. You're on the road, you got to
pay the registration. Make it a flat fee, pay it
to one hundred bucks a year, and use that money
to make the bike lanes. Only that money, not the

(01:06:38):
car registration fee, not the motorcycle registration fee motorcycles for bicycles.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
All right, there you go, pay a fee, is what
that listener says.

Speaker 25 (01:06:46):
Here's another one, Hey, Rod and Greg, this is jeremy
quick note on the taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Bikes are not paying taxes.

Speaker 25 (01:06:55):
Just because you own a car, and just because that
car you pay taxes on the gas you drive does
not make it you're paying taxes. When you ride your bike,
your license and registration for your car does not pay
for the roads. It's the gath only. Bikes don't use GAP.
Bikes don't pay taxes. Bikes don't pay for roads. Same
story with evs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yes, wait on this tax and stuff. Yeah, well I'm
don't tax bike.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Yes, oh it needs tax and he's registered and insured.
As our listeners have clearly helped us work this out.
I think we're finding solutions on this program today of
which I am completely comfortable.

Speaker 26 (01:07:32):
Hey, guys, Bill from Oorum, I'm agreeing with Greg one
hundred percent. I just had incident today where I'm weaving
through trees and all of a sudden there's bikes and
it's dangerous. But two things, when are they going to
put a bike plane on the freeway? Sounds like it's
good of an idea. And also these bikers need to

(01:07:56):
wear different clothes. It's kind of discussed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Oh thanks, cute, see see I said this he did.
That's like a bulcan mind melt that just happened.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
The shorts that you wear in a golf course are
disgusting as well, because you have ugly lakes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
You know what that would be rude because shorts. Shorts
are acceptable where on a golf course.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
And the spandex is acceptable wear for people who ride bikes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
You know, it's a bit bizarre. I don't see spandex
getting sported anywhere but on those bikes when they're riding
it on the roads. That's it. It's it's yes, I
can't say that what they just said, but you know
there's some truth to it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
You are such a whiner. All right, here we go, Greg.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
It's Julie and I agree with Greg on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
The biker issue.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
They don't pay taxes and they break the law all
the time.

Speaker 27 (01:08:49):
With uh just going through stop signs, not stopping.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
Timing the road.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
So yeah, yes, I guess she agrees with you. All right,
here's someone else.

Speaker 17 (01:09:07):
This is Brett from Lighton, Utah.

Speaker 23 (01:09:11):
Greg, so totally out based on this.

Speaker 15 (01:09:16):
I am sixty three years old, so I am older
than you are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I love my mountain bike.

Speaker 23 (01:09:23):
It helps me with my mental health and my physical health.
Attitude is totally off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Okay, you're totally off.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I worry about our friend. He's sixty three. He's riding
a bicycle in the woods. That is very dangerous. Wrong,
That is very dangerous. He could fall, he could wreck,
he could wreck. This is a child's game. He's playing.
I need we need to help him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
He is playing your only living life on your only
idea of getting outside is playing golf.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Yes, that's in a cart, in a cart.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
In a cart.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
And people can't ride bikes. They can't go in the
mountains and ride bikes. Mountain biking. It's fun. If you're
at a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Certain age, you got a hike in the woods, you
can't be riding that bike. It's it's it's a kid's game.
It's very dangerous.

Speaker 27 (01:10:12):
Yes, Hey, Rod and Greg. I have to say I'm
with Greg on this one. I don't like it when
cyclists act like they own the whole road and often
they don't even obey the laws of the road or
the rules. And I definitely don't agree with taxpayers paying
taxes for a house and then they can't even park
in front of their own house because cyclists can ride by.

(01:10:37):
That's my intake.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Thanks, thank you. He's right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Yeah, interesting, that's that's a very good take, all right.
Appreciate their using the talkback line.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
I love to talk that line, I really do. And
by the way, hats off to the collar. I said,
if I got on a bike, you'd be like a
two stroke motorcycle. I thought that was a very funny take.
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
How long has it been since you've ridden a bike?

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Since I was a child?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Really?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, you don't enjoy getting out there? Mayor Walker thinks
I don't know how to ride one. He thinks that
that's why I probably, but I do. I do know
how to ride a bike. I used to jump. I
used to be able to jump bikes. Yeah, like jump
take them off of ramps.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah. I love to see you destroy that now. All right,
more coming up on the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can ar rest.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
This show gets so much better the more participation we get,
the insight, the commentary. I just love it. I do.
I really do a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Well, let's change gears. Another issue that is starting to
come up, Greg, And there's a lot of concern in
this country. We have so much land farmland land that
is close to military installations that in a very roundabout
sneaky way, the Chinese are buying this stuff up, Greg,
and we can't allow that to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
No, not at all, and I you know, it's easy
to say, and I thought, okay, well, now we're going
to have a law and they're not gonna be able
to do it. How do you even begin to implement
something like that, because it's not like the Chinese are
putting you know, neon lights around hey and in the
olden of the state, we're here to take all your
good land. I mean, they're not doing it. So it
actually is a little tougher than it is to say
to actually implement.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Well, there was a news conference today, a big news conference,
a big announcement at this news conference about banning land
sales to some foreign entities. Joining us on our newsmaker
line to talk more about that as state representative of
Candads Perucci. Representative Perucci, thanks for joining us tonight about
this news conference today and what has been done to
prevent these foreign entities from buying up Utah lands.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Absolutely, it was a great press conference. We were able
to talk about the fact that we have stopped some
major land purchases because of the legislation that was passed
in twenty three and twenty four, so it's public now
I can share it. There was a large company that
tried to purchase a large amount of land right next

(01:12:53):
to the Prover Airport. And this Chinese company builds the
debts and drones and hardware for the Chinese government, and
they attempted this transaction and amazingly it was a county
recorder who caught it because as part of the legislation,
the Department of Public Safety trains are county records now

(01:13:15):
for suspicious and nefarious transactions or transactions that people are
attempting to do between a Chinese subsidiaries. So that was stopped,
which is a big win for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Utah Representative Perucci. How about existing land purchases. Do we
know of other lands that have already been purchased and
if so, what can we do to protect ourselves against
those or do you get those people out of here?

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Yeah, So the law is both retroactive and proactive. So
the Department of Public Safety is working with Kayak their
information Analysis centers, and what they've gone through is they're
coming through these properties. I'm aware of several where they'll
be sending out divestment notices that is essentially telling them, hey,
you can either sell your property or the state's gonna

(01:14:02):
confiscate it. As for the law, but you're in violation
of the law. So there's still are properties in our
state that are owned by CCP companies and we are
working DPS is working through those investigations and notices to
essentially get them out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Of Utah Representative. I see these maps that are produced
of the country, and they always show Utahs having a
very large amount of land owned by communist China. I
don't understand a lot of that would be and I
look at that map looks like it'd be federal landed
because it takes up such a big portion. How much
are we talking about in reality? And then what's I

(01:14:39):
guess the second part of that would be what would
be the timeline in terms of how that does exchange?
So how much of it is out there and how
long does it take.

Speaker 15 (01:14:46):
Yeah change it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
So there's a lot of a lot of maps floating around,
and again we've had we've been able to get a
lot of different lands divested from already and DPS and
hoping next session will be able to come in and
give a report on that. But when I first started
running this legislation in twenty twenty three, the Congressional Research

(01:15:08):
Office had put out a number, and the Wall Street
Journal also had a similar number to about thirty three
to thirty seven thousand acres in Utah. And so those
that's what we're talking about, and a lot of that,
you know, we're divesting at this point and having them
have to sell it. So, uh, it is. It is concerning, nevertheless,
but when it shows an entire Utah read that's I mean,

(01:15:31):
to your point, Greg, that's not even possible because seventy
percent of our lands owned by the federal government. Something
interesting we did change in twenty twenty four though, to
Enhansas policy is we said they can't lease it either
because you have Fittla and other entities that may lease
land or greasing right to a CCP on company. And
we put a kabash on that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
How difficult is it? How how deep do you have
to dig to find a connection to the CCP? I mean,
is it difficult to do? Representative?

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
So there are varying levels right of how imbedded something
is you have. And China, I think is as the
awareness has increased for this issue, they've gotten more and
more creative, which is why the law goes to shell companies.
And if you're a majority owned company by China. So
the National Defense Authorization Act in the NBA, they actually

(01:16:24):
have a list that they have of restricted foreign entities
and the known shell companies and that list Department of
Public Safety, publishers and trains are county recorders on. But
also you have incredible companies like Strider that can go
in you know, they're a security company based in Utah

(01:16:44):
that we highlighted today in the press conference that you
can go in and do the analysis of the changeing
hands with money. And that's what's really important in the
law is if your property was purchased with a majority
amount coming from the CCP, that applied as well another
significance if someone had a connection and serve in the
military of say China, then they would have to disclose that.

(01:17:07):
So these are again we're creating all these wires that
are hopefully going to be tripping past purchases and future
attempts that purchases to make it so China can now
no longer own land in Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
So that is such an interesting issue in terms of
the money changing hands. What I guess my question is
does it require I mean, how deep dive do you
have to go? Is it something that you have to
get a third party to investigate or is there something
are there tails out there that will let you know
that there's another owner of something like this?

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
So it's twofold. The Department of Public Safety and SSAYAC
works with their Homeland Security liaison and the FBI. So
obviously as some things nefarious and they have grounds to
conduct an investigation, they're able to do that. A company
like Streider has the capacity, city and ability to do
a much more comprehensive review. But then also on DPS's website,

(01:18:08):
we have a page now that people can report suspicious
land ownership and activity, and we've had multiple reports come
through that line that are being investigated and real issues.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Now real quickly. I know other states have legislation like this.
Are you are you gleaning from best practices of other
states or is Utah leading out on these practices? How
does that world look like?

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
So Utah is definitely leading out. I will say though
I've met with policmakers around the country, have attended several
you know, working groups on this a couple of years ago,
particularly with people from North Dakota, Texas. These are states
that have a lot of military bases, right and it
was something that they were actively working on. But I'll
tell you we've been able to act quickly in Utah.

(01:18:53):
It did take you know, a couple of sessions to
really push this, but we're able to get it through,
whereas some of my counter parts across the country have
run into problems, to say, the railtors, or the business community,
or even the ad community. And I think the national
conversation is churning on that and it will hopefully make
it easier for them to pass their policies. So there
are other states who are passing it, and you know,

(01:19:15):
you have state flight with Governor Huckabee Sanders where this
has become a main priority of hers. But Utah has
definitely been on the leading front of this issue because
we started, you know before it was the thing that
was being talked about nationally.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Per se say, Representative Perucci joining us, Candace Perucci joining
us on the Rod and Greg Show. Serious issue, and
I'm glad Utah is trying to do something about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
You know, I hats off to represent Candae Perucci. She's
a very hard working lawmaker, and this it is you know,
I've seen this announce of other states they have this
law that you know, China and other state. You know,
foreign countries can't own land in their states. We we
having this on the book since twenty twenty three actually
has Utah on the front end of the front side
of this finding out how you discover and how you

(01:20:01):
find out who owns the land, which I actually didn't
put enough thought into to realize. It's a lot harder
than we may we may think, that's for sure.

Speaker 12 (01:20:09):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
More coming up on the Roden Gregg Show story out
of the UK, Greg and I don't understand people anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
She's twelve years old. She was a student at a
school there in England. She was removed from class during
a school cultural event after arriving in a dress featuring
the Union flag and presenting a project about British history
and tradition. Now this came to an event where they

(01:20:36):
were talking about culture and diversity and everything else inclusion.
So she wears a flag and has a flag with
her of the Union Jack, proud of her British heritage,
and she was removed from class.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
That's that place. It's gone a little.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
We got to talk to Abby when she gets talk
to what's up with this? We got to talk to a.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
You got a talkback you want to show? Oh yeah,
we'll get to that. You've forgotten that one, okay, and
play that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I love this one. How much money do you think
a lifeguard in Los Angeles?

Speaker 7 (01:21:08):
Mikes?

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I don't know what? What? What did David Haselhoff Pamela
Anderson watch? I don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Eighty k There are some guys that are making nearly
five hundred thousand dollars no making making a being a lifeguard? Yeah,
La in LA. In just one year, list of this,
one hundred and thirty four lifeguards cost taxpayers in that
area seventy million dollars. Come on, no reason?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Had There's not a life worth that much to save.
I don't know what they're doing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
All right now? Can I play my talkback? I've been
waiting to play this. Rub it in? Do you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
I was afraid you would have forget this, and I
know how excited you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
I just want to share this and I'm one of
I'm okay with this. One of our talkback listeners who
left us this message.

Speaker 28 (01:21:57):
Man, I love you, Greg, but I'm gonna have to
be with Rod on this one. I went to buried
Manilu last night I'm in my mid forties and man,
that eighty two year old man put on a show.
I grew up listening to him with my parents. He's
absolutely amazing. And I hate to say it, buddy, but
you're missing out. I love the show, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
I had to play that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
So if you our listeners here in the six o'clock,
I weren't listening in the four o'clock. How were you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
You're in very man. You me for going to Bury Mantilte.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
You partied, you went crazy, you let your hair down.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
It was a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
He told us that Roz got thrown on the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Did you no? They did?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Okay, okay, maybe maybe I miss her.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
If I can do what he did last night, when
I'm eighty two years old, I'll go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Well that's only like what next year, twenty minutes come
on from now?

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Thank you. But you know, like we were saying, the seventies,
late sixties, seventies my era, you're an eighties show.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Yeah, I'm seventies your eighties. Yeah yeah, And you don't
know how you the seventies out of all that. But yeah,
he had hit after hit after hit. When I was
a disc jockey, I would spin the hit. So he
did write the songs. He did the whole world.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Songs, and he spent a weekend in the Lingam.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Yes he did. And he talking about Mandy you know,
which is my sister, Well, your sister.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
I bet she was named.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
After me, and she was born in night seventy six. Yeah,
he came back to seventy five. It was number one
in nineteen seventy five. Yeah, so see, maybe make fun
of your sister. Maybe Barry Manilow had more to do
with you know, my sister than I origin story than
I knew.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Let me tell you what. I was surprised because he
sold the place out. You know, there are people who
are still like Barry man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
And that's Maverick Center, folks. That's not like you know
the Park Pavilion that you know, Sandy Amphitheater. Yeah, no,
this is this is a big venue.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Big venue. Yeah, he throw throwing these lines.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Wants to know there's Jarital at the concession stand.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yes, there was, Okay, and Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
There you go, there you go. But yeah, the drugs
of a crooner, I guess the ladies still go crazy.
How was Rodeo Queen? She good?

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
She loved it. Yeah, yeah, she's happy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I try and make her that way every day, all right,
That does it for us Tonight, Head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family this great country
of ours. Wing Man Wednesday starts tomorrow at four

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