The Rod and Greg Show: Breaking Down the Stock Market's Record Day; Future of Law Enforcement in Utah

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's just another one of those crazy days, everybody, So
hang on, keep your arms and legs in at all times,
because you never know what is going to happen. I mean,
our story, top story right now, could change in a
matter of hours. That's how fast the world is.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I think it's on a trajectory, my friend. I think
there's a trajectory to all this. And I think that
all those little, you know, worried ninnies, these little, little
little complaints picked by the way, some conservative thought leaders
out there just losing their minds too, which I got
a lot. I got some things to say about that too.
They chill out, They need to chill out. We've seen it.

(00:34):
I don't know what. It's the highest single day gain
in history today.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Pretty amazing. How are you everybody? It is the Wingman
Wednesday edition of The Rotten Gregg Show right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine can Terresk. Great
to be with you on a gorgeous Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I'm roughd Arquet, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Now the story of the day. Of course, the President
announced what was it just about three four hours ago,
putting a little pause on the tariffs, and he claimed
part of the strategy that he was using, he's still
targeting China, and folks, you know, if you think this
was all about the world, and I think it was
about the world tariffs, but the number one issue here
is China and the President is ready to take them on.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yes. Well, and I'll tell you that you had three countries.
You had Well, you had the EU considered one trading block,
and then you had Canada, and you had China looking
at retaliatory tariff increases. The rest of the world was
getting in and saying and hearing what Trump was. The
President was saying, saying, We're not looking to retaliate, we
want to cooperate. Can we meet? Can we meet? Well,
I think the last two EU and Canada said I

(01:37):
think we're going to stay on the side of the
United States. That that left can China by themselves. And
once that happened, I think you saw what you saw today.
But after we saw the pause and we saw the
reaction on Wall Street, and all of a sudden, everyone
is aligning with the United States, ready to make stronger
and better for the United States trade deals, which we

(01:57):
we've needed for a very long time. People have said
they've wanted it. President Trump came out and spoke to
the media briefly.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, and here's the way I had to say.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
That's Truely, I appreciate that question. Know, Chuck, Schumer, Nancy,
everybody knew you how to do it, but they never
had the guts to do it. It does take guts.
It even takes guts for our country to go through it.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
That's why I say'd be cool. They were taking about
just be cool. It's going to work out.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
It's going to work out, and it's it's working out.
I can tell you working out, maybe faster.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Than I thought.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
But I said, it's you know, it's going to take
a little conditioning. It's a transition to it's really I
think it's a transition to greatness.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
It's going to be great news. Our country is going
to be.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
There'll be nothing like it, and people investing in our
country they're going to do better than they've ever done before.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I mean, it's part of a strategy. I guess I
need to read Art of the Deal. I have not
read that book yet, but I think that's on my
summer reading list.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know, I've known about the book. I actually have
purchased that book when I was in my high school
years for for my stepdad as a gift because he
liked Trump. And but I but no, he's he just
he just posted on truth social President Trump, and this
just came out. Maybe it didn't come out, but I'm
just seeing it now. Deals are my art form other

(03:16):
people like other people paint beautifully or write poetry. I
like making deals, preferably big deals. That's how I get
my kicks.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I think he does, yes, mister President. Yeah, I
think he's he enjoys this. This is he is trying
to transform this country and the economy of this country
into something that it used to be before World War Two.
And since World War Two, we become like, hey, come
take advantage of whatever you want because we're the United
States of America. And Donald Trump has seen the impact

(03:46):
that it has had. I'll say this again. Ninety thousand
plants and factories have closed since NAFTA. We have lost
Middle America and Donald Trump is trying to bring him back.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
And I'm telling you there's been no shortage of lips
or was paid to this issue. And this is where
I'm going to take some exception with some of our
conservative thought leaders, national ones that have been critical of
these of these tariffs, these tariff proposals. If we thought
there needed to be if we thought that a new
world order was somehow going to be negative and we've
been worried about it. If we thought there that we
needed to reset, uh, and we needed to move things

(04:19):
back to a different way than the globalization that was
going on, where we were just getting pushed further and
further on the sideline, and the and the middle class
was getting decimated. Did somebody think that was going to
be a three business day incubation period. I've heard so
many people talk about the hard work ahead and all
the things we have to do and this big laundry
list of things that have to happen, and when we

(04:40):
have a president that's doing it. I heard a lot
of voices that should have been, you know what, we
don't know how it out, we don't know the outcome,
but then what what do we do otherwise? And they
were just complaining and just hand ringing, and it was pathetic.
And and I'll tell you, you learn about people in
times like this. You get to you get to see
the real you know, the real deal.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and you know they're kind of oh, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Reagan didn't like teriffs until he did. I got a
clip where he put one hundred percent tariff on Japan
back in eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well before the President announced a brief pause in the tariffs.
We don't know how long this is going to last.
JP Morgan. Chase's CEO, Jamie Diamond, was on the Fox
Business Channel tomorrow this morning with Maria Bartiroma, and he
weighed in on these tariffs and where he thinks they
may be going.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
I think it is perfectly reasonable for someone to say
that tray was unfair. There were unfair trade things, and
remember it's not just tarriffs, it's tariffs. I think they
have that wrong, how they understand, and I think they
should really get a better understanding to make it easy
to negotiate. But there are all these non tariff barriers
around food and energy and then subsidies, which you know
China's fame is for. So it's totally reasonable to say

(05:50):
we want to make trade better.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
But I also want to point.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Out to the Americans we have the best of CIME
in the world. Our GDP person is eighty five thousand dollars.
China's is fifteen thousand dollars, so you got to put
a little bit into context. But you know, and then
of course when they put the tariffs, and there was
weighing me on what people expected that will causal inflation,
slow down growth. But I hope what they really do
is let Scott Bessen when he's a professional negotiating. I know, Japan,

(06:15):
see I gat a Krea of Vietnam have called, and
then eventually Europe get those things done quickly.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Morgan ceo Jamon Diamond on Fox Business earlier today with
Maria Bartiromo, and he's right, it's reasonable to deal with
these tariffs. You have to do something about this. And
he said, look, the economy may suffer a little bit,
and he was right. The economy was starting to slow
down before Donald Trump ever took office. Yeah, and inflation

(06:41):
may get in here, but you've got to go. You know,
and what people like Glenn and who's the other guy
out there saying we got to do a reset, We
got to do a reset. Well, now we're doing a
reset and they're becoming a little weak.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Need Yeah, and look we're coming out the other side,
all right. The reason there's been a part is and
I have this clip of Secretary Treasury Secretary Descent talking
this was the president's strategy along and he is do
you want me to play it? Let's play it because
this is an important part this. I think that this
pause came sooner than what the President was ready to
do because I think the whole world got behind getting

(07:18):
something better than what we have for the United States
quicker than he anticipated. But this is a Secretary vestent
after the pause had been announced.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Well, again, this.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
Was driven by the President's strategy. He and I had
a long talk on Sunday, and this was his strategy
all along, and that you know, you might even say
that he go to China into a bad position. They responded,
and they have shown themselves to the world to be
the bad actors. And we are willing to cooperate with

(07:50):
our allies and with our trading partners who did not retaliate.
It wasn't a hard message, don't retaliate. Things will turn
out well.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
So it's so he smoked out China.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
He did.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
He's shown what he's shown the world what China is like.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, he isolated them, and I'm going to tell you
in politics. Honestly, you there's always strength in numbers. I
mean everything about politics, and I'll tell you the legislative
side of it. It's all math. It's all strength and numbers,
and you need to bring people along when this When
the when the tariffs were first announced, you had a
lot of talk from a lot of nations that they
would raise theirs or there was going to be this

(08:27):
retaliatory response. But I think as the discussions went on,
and with the United States being in the strongest position
of being the buyer of everybody's everything, Okay, we're the
ones that buy it all. We were We've always been
in that position of strength, of which you haven't seen
a president or a Congress that's ever really leveraged that
kind of strength. We were finally saying, okay, you got
to pick a side, folks, what are you going to do?

(08:48):
And what you saw is everyone said, well, we need
them to still buy our things, and we we we
get you have you have those tariffs are going to
become reciprocal. You have trillions of dollars that have been
committed in terms of investment economic investment in this country.
More so in the first months of President Trump's presidency
than you had in four years with Biden. It's all upside.

(09:09):
It is absolutely all upside. And the thing that I'm
seeing what's rolling out today is I'm just tired of
the people that want they have no ability. If it's
not easy, if it's not resolved within a news cycle
of one day, then something's wrong and the sky's falling.
It is just we've become so soft that way, and
this is faster. My first instinct Rod was did he did? He?

(09:31):
Did he pause too soon? Is this?

Speaker 1 (09:33):
That's what I was wondering. I would have hung on
a little bit more. Should should we have taken us
a little longer? Yeah, I'll trust the president on this,
but I'll tell you what. The people that were saying
the sky was falling, shame on them.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, Well here's what the President said. We had a
comment from him already, but he also said this. He said,
I thought that people were jumping a little bit out
of line. They were getting yippie, you know, getting a
little bit yippy, a little bit of afraid, and they
shouldn't be.

Speaker 9 (10:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
He internet, Well, we have to go in there. But yeah,
he's he's folks, we've got a president that's a true leader,
and he's doing great things, things that people have talked
about for decades and have never been able to do.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Market up almost three thousands points today. We'll check in
with a stock trader and find out what on earth happened.
That's coming up next on the Wingman Wednesday edition of
The Rotten Gregg Show. Right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine knrs more. Talk today about the tariffs.
The President put a pause on them, and all of
a sudden, the market went absolutely crazy, almost closing today

(10:37):
with more than a three thousand point game? Well what happened?
Joining us on our newsmaker line to break it all
down as Jeff Junior. Jeff is founder and CEO of
Trading wealthy company that I endorse. He's also a veteran. Jeff,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 10 (10:52):
I'm doing great. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
We're doing well? Jeff? All right, explain what happened? Jeff?
What on earth happened on the market today?

Speaker 10 (11:00):
Yeah? Greg, speaking of winning, I think the market's really winning.

Speaker 11 (11:03):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Absolutely, It's got me in a great mood, right, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (11:09):
Simply put, he capped care us for another ninety days
with everybody with the exception of China, and it just
sent the market soaring. And I think this is really
a testament to not making big emotional decisions and getting
out of the market when you start losing a little
bit of money.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
So and that's the I think that is the takeaway.
I've I've spoken to a lot of people when we
saw those that precipitous drop. There were people that wanted
to sell everything they wanted to and Mike and I'm
I'm not a professional like you are, but I'm thinking,
if you're not retiring tomorrow and you have the asset
of time, just time to wait, why would you ever
why would you ever sell low? I mean, just hang on.

(11:44):
But you saw a lot of people that were very
emotional about it. Let me ask you, you saw what
was happening and this is kind of your wheelhouse. Were
you expecting a turnaround this quick? Did you think this
is what was going to happen? Ultimately? What was your
take as we were living through this?

Speaker 10 (11:58):
Yeah, you know, I can say it's really it's really
easy to get caught up in emotional decisions, even if
you're not retiring. Within a year or within five years,
it's very easy to say, oh my goodness, look at
how quickly my money is disappearing. This is different than
it was last time, and it's not going to come back,
So let me just call into my financial advisor and
get my assets sold and move into cash. So it's
really easy to do regardless of time. But obviously you

(12:21):
shouldn't do it now. If I foresaw this coming, absolutely not.
And if anybody says they foresaw this, just because there's
so much uncertainty. You're dealing with so much geopolitical talk
and rhetoric and frankly big egos in the mix when
you're talking about President Trump and g and you name it.
So it was really hard to call. But when you

(12:42):
put a stop on tariffs for ninety days with everybody
but China, it stands to reason that it was going
to go up pretty quickly, and boyd did it ever.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Jeff, what do you think or what suggestion would you
make to the public for them to understand how the
market operates Because you used a word here a moment ago.
The market hates uncertainty, Why does that play such a
big role in the market and how it reacts or
doesn't act each and every day.

Speaker 10 (13:11):
Well, I mean, certainty obviously is going to help predict
or should help predict winners for you. And when there's
so much economic uncertainty, people just don't know what to
invest in and what the long term looks like. And
you know, one thing I can say is I've never
been a big fan of investments like retails, retailers, or

(13:32):
autos or furniture, just for this very reason. You know,
not only the tariffs affect it, but weather could affect it,
you name it. There's so many things that it could
affect it. So it's very important to have a diversified
portfolio overall.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, so I I so right now, we don't there
is still we have that ninety eight pause, but you're
looking at something that there are nineteen eighty seven. I
got a clip here for listeners later in the show
where Reagan put one hundred percent Terear fun Japanese electronics.
There are moments where these are levers, they are negotiating levers,
they are going to they have an economic impact, but

(14:07):
there's a bigger purpose here in terms of the United
States trading relationships around the world. So we know that
we have a president that's doing something we haven't seen
before for everyone, every novice, and I'm worse than a novice.
I don't know anything about the stock market or how
to look at this longer term. Maybe some swing thoughts,
maybe how with all the realignment that's going on, with
most of the world coming and looking to make better

(14:29):
trade arrangements than when I say, better for the United
States or one that's more reciprocal. With that going on,
and with China kind of isolating itself out there, what
should we expect? What should or what should we how
should we be looking at this? What should be our
mindset right now?

Speaker 10 (14:47):
Well, this actually did play out before, Back in the
nineteen thirties, they did put some sweeping caraffs on and
the market was pretty stagnant for about two decades afterwards.
It was a moment in time that I was really
concerned that this was going to be another repeat of
what happened, But obviously it turned around rather quickly. So,

(15:08):
I mean, the best advice I can give is to
any investor is don't make sweeping emotional decisions. But this
is a great time to look at your portfolio and
see what investments you have in there, and what could
potentially continue to be impacted by tariffs. Because keep in mind,
this is only a ninety day pause. We're only talking
a few months here before these come back into play,

(15:29):
and ninety days is going to go awfully quick. So
there's nothing saying that we're rainbows and unicorns at this
point going forward. So it's important to look at the
portfolio and make sure that the investments that you used
to have in companies that are significantly impacted you have
the ability to sell. Now you've got a little time,
the investments have rebounded, you know. Case in point, I'll

(15:51):
give you a quick a quick stock restoration hardware or
our AH on Thursday, I believe it was, it dropped
forty percent in one day. Wow, because obviously it was
identified that so much of that business was dependent on
foreign trade and it really got impacted by tariffs. But
here's the problem. If your investments drop by fifty percent,

(16:14):
what that means is you have to return one hundred
percent to be back to. Even a lot of times,
when you ask that question, if your investments drop fifty percent,
how much do you think you have to make to
be back to even a lot of people will flippantly
say fifty percent, there's actually one hundred percent. You have
to earn one hundred percent. And how many times do
you see investments earn one hundred percent quickly?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Not very often, I would imagine.

Speaker 10 (16:39):
Right, So it's important to look at your investments and
make sure that the investments that you hold aren't subject
to our continued tariff and really potentially our war with
these other countries when it comes to these taxes.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
And it's going to be interesting to watch. Jeff always
great love your insight into all of this. Thanks, and
we'll be chatting with you again. Thanks Jeff, Yeah, thank
you guys. All right, Jeff Junior, he is the founder
and CEO of Trajan wealthy company that I endorse, giving
us some insight into what's going on on the stock
market ending today up nearly three thousand points. Here we go, right,

(17:15):
all right, boy, coming up on the Rodd and Greg
Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k
and RS Idaho is considering putting child molesters under extreme conditions, Okay,
on conditions in which they were convicted in front of
a firing squad. We got a lot of response on
that yesterday. Well there's another issue. This one to the

(17:35):
east of us. We're talking about Colorado, was up to
the people in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
They've lost their minds, charge.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
They've gone, they've gone. Goofy. Well, here's what's going on.
If your child is named Karen but wants to be
called John, you could lose custody.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Of that child if you don't acknowledge. If you don't
acknowledge that Karen.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, this is a bill that was passed Sunday night
without any discussion apparently whatsoever. But that's the goofiest bill
I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
And that's and that's that's for a minor. If the
if a child minor, yeah, says I want to be
called you know Henry, and you go, Gail, I mean,
here you go. You know Susie, your name is Susie. No,
my name is Henry. And if the if the parent
doesn't listen to the child and it's every word that
I my name is Henry. Now, they could lose custody justusy.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, let's dig into this more. Joining us on our
newsmaker line, our good Friend. We haven't had Ross on
the show for quite some time. We're talking about Ross Kaminski.
He is the mid morning host at iHeartRadio station KOA
and Denver Ross. How are you and welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Great, it's fantastic to be with you guys.

Speaker 12 (18:38):
And and can I just say, uh, back in the
day when I used to fill in for you from
time to time, I always loved hearing Abby and he
always yah, he's just amazing, Like what a voice.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
This is great for the news.

Speaker 12 (18:52):
And now just hearing hearing her again just brings a
smile to my face.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
All right, So you're you're right right explained to.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Us on earth is going on in Colorado when it
comes to this misgendering bill.

Speaker 12 (19:04):
So first, the big picture thing, if we just had
the first half year question, what on earth is going
on in Colorado? It's a massive and this isn't a
joke now, a massive influx of Californians.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
It has transformed the state.

Speaker 12 (19:19):
The population here has changed a lot, lots of Californians.
Actually see a lot of Texas license plates. I think
that's liberals leaving Texas again. I'm not joking. I really
think that's what's going on. And of course, when we
were one of the first states with marijuana legalization. That
brought a lot of people here who were liberal or
a libertarian, but definitely not conservative. So this is not

(19:40):
a purple state anymore. It's a blue state now.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
So so that's that's the climate. And you did there
was a political trend there. You used to have a
Republican controlled state house, state Senate, you had a republican governor,
you had two republican state US senators. I think a
majority of your members of Congress were Republican. And this
was just an early two thousands or maybe two thousand
and then you saw this massive shift. And so it's tough,

(20:06):
it's a tough landscape out there, But how can it
be to the point now where if we're reading this right,
a parent is not able to or a parent if
they do not listen to their child, who would be
a minor who they're in charge of raising and taking
care of. If that child wants to change their gender
and they demand that their parents acknowledge it and the
parent does not, they run the risk of losing custody

(20:28):
of that child. Is that real? I mean, is that
really a lie? Or am I misreading or am I
reading something in it that it's not there?

Speaker 12 (20:38):
So that's really the bill. And the bill really did
pass the state House. It has not come up for
a vote in the state Senate yet. There is also
a fairly significant Democratic majority in the state Senate, but
not nearly as much in the state House, and maybe
a little sanity will.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Show up there. But no, you're not reading.

Speaker 12 (20:58):
You're not reading too much in new That's that's what
it says, among other things. There's the other thing is
in a workplace if somebody was doing this kind of
thing in a workplace, you know, adults, and you know
you called John Jill. You know you always knew Jill
as Jill, and now Jill wants to be John, and
you keep calling you know, by the original name. That

(21:21):
under this bill would be considered a crime. Now not
for just doing it once, right, but but for repeatedly
doing this. It would actually become a discrimination crime.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Wow, ross, How did they get around to debate? Because
I understand this bill passed what was it Sunday night
with no debate whatsoever. How did they get around that?

Speaker 12 (21:43):
So they have some different rules, and one of the
things they can do is limit debate for a little while.
The other thing they can do, though, from time to time.
Is they'll schedule stuff so that they'll have these very
controversial things at you know, ten o'clock at night, so
there won't be very many people there testify, and you know,
separate from the logistics of how they do it, I
think the more interesting question, although I think the answer

(22:05):
is obvious, is why.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
They do it right? Why would you try to hide
this bill?

Speaker 12 (22:09):
Well, because you know it won't be popular even among
quite a lot of Democrats.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
So that's the thing.

Speaker 12 (22:16):
And if you'd allow me to just interject one other thing,
just to give you a sense of still how crazy
they're going. They've got another bill coming that will say
that if an illegal alien pleads guilty to a crime
under this new law, they'd be able to petition the
court to say, you know what, I want to withdraw
my guilty plea because I didn't realize that if I

(22:39):
pleaded guilty to the crime, I'm more likely to get deported.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
So, you know, campaigns and elections typically where are the
people go in so I can lead them there? Okay,
I mean, if someone doesn't have a rudder in the water,
they're at least saying that. In a Democrat controlled state
like Colorado, can they at least spot where the people
are going. Isn't there a pendulum that is starting to
swing the other way in terms of the lunacy of
not understanding chromosomes or gender, or saying that something that

(23:08):
the deported is more important than the victims of these
violent gangs and those that have come here illegally. Is
there a movement among common sense Colorados that is not
necessarily republican or Democrat where the message of Democrats will
ease or start to pivot away from some of the
things you've just described.

Speaker 12 (23:26):
Maybe a little, but not as much as you would think,
and not as much as you would hope, and especially
in the state House because their majority is so large
that leadership there wouldn't really care if they lost one
or two seats because they would still have a massive majority.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
And the Senate they might care a little bit more.

Speaker 12 (23:43):
But going back to where we started this conversation, there
are this state has become so blue that Democrats in
the legislature really don't fear political consequences, and I think
they're mostly right not to fear consequences.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Wow, Ross, you do a great job and great job
joining us for a few minutes today. We appreciate it,
and hope Paul as well. Thanks Ross, thanks for having
me all right, Ross Kaminski, he is a mid morning
talk show host at our sister station there in Denver,
KOA and Denver contributor also to The American Spectator. What
a goofy law.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
This is what a tough road to hoe to be
a morning show morning host on a great station like
KOA and Denver. If that's the climate you're yeah living in,
He's in the talk about the belly of the beast.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Ross is in it. Man fight a good fight.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
He sure is. All right. More coming up on the
Roddy and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O
five dine can arrest me. I don't know if I
want to see this, but I would love to see
you dance.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Oh you better be careful. I'll break out and dance
right now. I actually can dance. I was naming the song,
but I.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Have you had lessons? No? No, you just move, you
just move.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I can cut a rug. Don't you worry about it?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Oh what you know?

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Bite your lip?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I do the white man's over bite. Yes, I'm giving
you a lot. You can't see this, folks, I'm giving,
I'm giving wrong a little bit of a white man's
over by dance move. I got a couple of moons
going right now, because you're going.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Are you better at dancing than Trump?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, he's got his own style. I can't I can't
even interrupt the movement of that move, of that dance
he has. But I do think my moves are better.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yet, all right, all right, now, there are a lot
of Democrats since Donald Trump has been President of the
United States for a second time. Well they did the
first time as well. Who are just bonkers? They just
they say some of the stupidest things in the world.
Would you agree, yes, And it's spreading.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
It's not new. It's not just the new people on
the scene. It's people that you used to hear and
you might not even agree with their their political opinion,
but you did respect that they'd done some things and
neew some things, and so they had they had to
take even there getting bad like they're saying things that
are just not making any sense at all.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well, Chris Matthews, we don't hear from Matthews much anymore,
which is really nice. But he was on The Morning
Joe Show with Joe right, and he talked about the tariffs,
and he talked about you got to listen to this
one carefully, folks, because he talks about wood. But there's
other thing.

Speaker 9 (26:08):
I watched on the evening news last night, one of
the other networks, and I watched the issue of lumber. Now,
you see, we get so much of our lumber are
two by fours from from Canada?

Speaker 4 (26:19):
What's where we.

Speaker 9 (26:19):
Get it from Canada? We got our newsprint from up
different newspapers.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
The fact is we get it. What are we gonna
do it have.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
More lumber made in the United States?

Speaker 7 (26:26):
Now?

Speaker 4 (26:27):
What is our plan?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Now?

Speaker 9 (26:28):
Oh, we're not going to import wood, so we're gonna
make more wood. We're gonna create more wood.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Is that it? I don't think we are.

Speaker 9 (26:34):
In a position to simply replicate the imports coming into
this country with our own products. It can't always be done.
And I think if a wood's example of that wood,
Are we going to make more wood in this country
because of our trade deal?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
You don't think so.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
I do.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
It's called planting a tree, Yes, it's that's it.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
We had a logging industry in this country. We had wood,
we had trees. And by the way, here here's the thing.
You don't cut them all down, never to have one
grow again. Those that would, those in the lummy lumber industry,
had trees. And I planted a tree rod in front
of an apartment building in nineteen ninety six, in front
of a building in it's downtown Salt Lake. You planted it,
I planted it.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Two of them.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
You dug the hole.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I dug it all and down. We have my business partner.
These were small enough I could I could fit my
hands around the bottom of the basic kay two of these,
and they put them in the ground right right there
in front of the building. Okay, they they are now
taller than a three and a half story building. I
can't get my arms even close around them. Okay, it's
been about thirty years. But we had a logging industry.

(27:35):
We had something called a spotted out where the environmentalists
stopped our logging industry in mass Well, what they don't
have owls in Canada for Chris Matthews say, what are
you going to do? You know, have your own wood?

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Wood?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well, we had wood, Chris, we could still have wood,
and we'd like to continue to have a logging industry
as we used to have, because I'm pretty positive that
the animals that the environmentalists stopped us from being able
to have a logging industry actually existing Canada as well.
So if you like it in Canada and you think
Canada can have a lumber industry, the United States can

(28:08):
have one too, and you don't cut them all down
to never have it again. It's one of those things
you grow to have more because it's it is an
industry that actually and uniquely you can keep sustainable.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
He just needs to take a drive through Oregon, through Washington,
through Montana, through Utah, through Colorado, Chris, you need to
see wood. There's a lot of it out there. Well,
you want to know we can grow it. Like you said,
cut it down, you plan another one. Guess what in
a few years, you've got more trees.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And Utah story is on the Bureau of Land Management land.
We used to be able to thin out those dead
and dead or trees that would run risk of a
lightning strike or causing a massive fire. You could thin
that that wilderness and land out and there was a
lumber industry to be had there. Those are all empty, vacant, rusted,
out lumber yards today that we could have an absolute

(28:57):
lumber yard lumber industry even in the state of Utah.
Uh if we could reverse what Clinton did in his administration.
So yes, yes, you can have a lumber industry in Utah.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Pland to tree and watch what happens. Apparently we can't
grow wood who only Canada can Only Canada can grow woods.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
All right, We've got another hour, another two hours of
the Roding Greg Show coming up. Stay with us here
on Talk Radio one O five nine rs.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
This whole going against Britain thing, This could really hurt
my portfolio. I don't know about this. You know, we
need a revolution, but I don't know that my you know,
my my holdings can be hurt at all by this.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
This is I've got investments in tea.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, I think that I heard I I think I
heard Conservatis talk about, you know, we're we need economic relief.
I don't know that fighting the Brits is going to
bring economic relief. I don't know. This is this is
really worse. I mean, it's been three days. Have we
have we beat British yet? It's been three days, it's
four have we beat them yet? If we haven't. Oh,

(30:03):
how scared are we know?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
What we should? We should just forget the revolutionary war?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, I mean, boy, I'll tell you why you talk
to some of these clowns out here that we're just
starting to really get weakned. And I I don't everyday Americans,
I don't hold you to this standard because I think
that you know, there's so many people that are just
coming at you, trying to make you afraid, and and
you know you never want to make decisions out of fear.
But there are some some so called consertive thought leaders

(30:28):
out there that should have been think a week, that
should have been much much stronger in these times. Because
if you couldn't be strong right now, when when did
you think it would happen that we would realign our
trade agreements? And how did you think that was going
to roll out? Okay, I I am telling you. I
have so much rod of my my show notes and
my show preparation today, ladies and gentlemen, were examples of

(30:51):
where we as a country had tough times and we
had to get this right, and we were going to
do it right, and that in the grand scheme of things.
These I have a clip here from Ronald Reagan raising
that while the Chinese embassy's using a nineteen eighty seven
speech of Reagan saying that there's that he's against tariffs.
I got a clip here, a news clip from nineteen
eighty seven where he was raising one hundred percent tariff

(31:12):
on Japanese electronics. I had that already well before we
could get it and get on the show. We got
to pause.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
We chan everything.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
We've painted China into a corner. It's all changed since
I was getting ready. But I still go back to
those who were ready to you know, pull the rip
cord and you know, and try to jump out of this.
And we're so scared. I don't know what you thought
it took to get to you know, realign and get
us right. That's taken decades to go wrong. Yeah, I

(31:39):
don't know what you thought.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
How many times have we said, the President have said
this is not going to happen overnight, and it's great.
I mean, what, let's build a factory and bring jobs
back to America in four days. Not going to happen, folks.
It's going to take some time. It's going to You've
got to give the President and his team Scott Bessett,
who I think is doing a great job. Yes, as
Treasury secretary, time to negotiate deals that will benefit America.

(32:03):
That does not happen see America the world today. But
I think in particular Greg, the American people they want instant,
instant gratification. Yep. If they don't get it, Greg, all
of a sudden, they panic, and there's no need to panic.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well here here, let me just say this. Okay. I
thought it would take so much longer.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I mean, this hasn't been that.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
We haven't been in a marathon here on Monday. We're
just on Wednesday, so that's two days ago. The entire world,
and I'm talking Mexico, South Korea, Taiwan, India, UK, Japan, Vietnam, Switzerland, Thailand.
The list goes on, all on our side saying we're
coming to the table. We're gonna make it reciprocal, We're
going to get this right. You had three European Union, China,

(32:44):
and Canada saying, oh we might do retaliatory tariffs.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Okay, okay, three of them the.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Rest and bye bye. By Monday. This is and I'm
looking at a chart from the New York Times. The world,
but those three were on our side already, and that
was just that was just on Monday. That was just
so why people by, you know, yesterday and today were
just you know, the sky's falling and we're so scared. Man.
We already saw a good tell of what was going

(33:10):
to happen and Canada and the EU said, yeah, we're
gonna We're not gonna sit here with China. We're going
to come over to your side.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Now before we talk more about the tariffts, we thought
we'd give you a little chuckle on your way on
your way home tonight. Now, this man, if you know
this man, and we play a lot of sound bites
from him, we're talking about Senator John Kennedy. He is
the Louisiana Republic. He had the best one liners of
any politician out there, right and they're all killers. Well,

(33:37):
Senator Kennedy had the uncanny ability, I think, to drop
hilarious and sometime very accurate quips. Now he was on
day Hannedy did something interesting last night, Greg he did
a town hall meeting with Republican senders. Ted Cruz was there,
Katie Britt was there, John Kennedy was there. I just
try to remember who else, but He kind of did
a town hall meeting with about eight Republicans Center and

(34:00):
they were talking about a lot of issues, but then
the issue of Democratic Party leadership came up and he
asked sendor Kennedy about that.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
What do you think of the new leadership?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Jasmine AOC and Bernie?

Speaker 13 (34:11):
I consider Congresswoman Okay, she courtez to be the leader
of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
She's entitled to her opinion.

Speaker 13 (34:19):
I'm entitled to mine. As I've said about him before,
I think she's the reason there are directions on the
shampoo box.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Our plan for dealing that out we got her.

Speaker 13 (34:33):
Our plan for dealing with her is opera called Operation
Let Her Speak.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
What do you think of the new leadership?

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Ja, I'm telling you said there's directions on shampoo botties.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Now, John Kennedy is not the only one in Washington
with a little humor. Now, today the President signed what
was it, another executive order and this had to deal
with water pressure in your shower. Remember was the Biden
administration wanted to reduce that water pressure to save on
water environmentally sound Well, the President signed an executive order

(35:07):
saying that's over, We're going back to the traditional pressure
and water showers. That's what you had to say.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
You wash your hands, and in my case, I like
to take a nice shower to take care of my
beautiful hair.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Fifteen minutes still.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
It gets wet, comes out, drip, drip, drift.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
And what you do is you end up washing your
hands five times longer. So it's the same water, and
we're going to open it up so that people could live,
and we're going to hopefully have Congress approve it so
it's memorialized.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I love it. I like water pressure so I can
wash my beautiful hair. I know I mean little levity
for you as you work your way home on this
really gorgeous Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yes, I've been waiting. I've been waiting to see how
the Democrats are going to react to this, because.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
You know, I got pausing the terraff.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, okause you know they were saying the sky's falling,
everything's bad. Now now they've been proven wrong. I've been
wondering how do they because a lot of their statements
didn't you know, they didn't age Well, okay, you got
one from from Elizabeth Warren. I just think is a riot?
Can I can I play this one. Let's play this one.
This was today, and this is again an example of

(36:16):
a of a comment that just did not age well.
I don't think it aged till afternoon.

Speaker 14 (36:21):
Let's have a listen or I'm a reason to the
numbers is just creating economic chaos. And when there's economic chaos,
no one wants to make investments in the United States
to build more manufacturing, to build more good jobs here
in America.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Hey, she was wrong. We saw trillions of dollars of
committed investment here and this chaos that she's talking about,
apparently everybody said we're going to make our deals. It
seemed like it was a moth to the flame in
terms of game. So that Elizabeth Center Warren's comments did
not age well. They couldn't even last I don't think
they got through the day. Well, now, owner Shift, this

(37:01):
is this is how we're gonna this is we're going
to play.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Adam Shift, Really, Adam Shift, you mean job.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
He's out of his mind. He's so mad, so so
these the ninety day pause. Okay, has Adam Shift just
beside himself. He is now going to launch an investigation.
This is true story. He wants to know if there
was any insider insider trading with Trump's announcement on pausing
the terriffs? How dare he pauses these tariffs? There must

(37:28):
be some criminal activity going on, and now I'm going
to launch an investigation to see if there was any
inside trading for him to actually go and say I'm
gonna pause these tariffs again. They don't. It's scandal. It's
I hate Trump. I don't like Trump. There has to
be something wrong with Trump. So that's that's one of
the narratives. It's not we were wrong, he was right,
which is the actual truth. It's now we're going to

(37:49):
investigate him because he must have had some inside training
trading if that's what he was going to do.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
So this comes from the man who told his time
and time again Greg the American people that he has
has evidence and has seen evidence of Russian inter and
collusion in the election of twenty sixty. He's had evidence.
He he said it a million times, pribacely at an
nb NPR twenty six times. From what I understand, now,

(38:13):
we're supposed to believe that that he's launching an investigation
in the insider trading.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yes, because something evidence, something illegal must have happened, Yes,
for him to pause these these terrorifts, it's it's it's
the you know, that's that's going to be there, that's
going to be their new their new thing.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
That's got to be it. All Right, We've got a
lot to get to today, and we hope you stay
with us. Is you work your way home or work
your way to whatever, errand you're running this afternoon it
is the wingman wins the edition of the Rotten Gregg
Show right here on Utah's Talk radio one oh five
nine k NRS. Let's talk for a minute about this
pause today and the panic that has taken place around
this country. You know, people, people have been programmed in

(38:54):
this country over the years. I think, Greg, not.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
To take risks, that's right.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
You know, well, we want presidents who are really managers,
they are leaders, just manage the federal government for us.
Don't take a risk. You have two people now, you know,
Donald Trump and Elon Musk who take risks. They probably
wouldn't be where they are today, Greg without taking some risks.
You know, they have what is described as a founder's mindset.

(39:22):
They know their mission, they know they want to surround
themselves with people who understand that mission and are willing
to work toward that mission. And they're willing to take risks.
It's part of their game. Okay, So the American people
now have been asked to take a risk, and they're
panicking because they've been programmed never to take a risk.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
To be risk averse. Yeah, and and look, I'm going
to tell you that you don't want to pay, play
fast and loose. That's not the same as taking on
harder things. Yeah, but they're you're right, people. People are
program that if any if I can't tell you the exact,
guaranteed outcome of something, then you should do it. But
all that leaves us as a country is reacting to

(40:03):
those who do risk attacking us, do risk, taking away
our economy, take away our our manufacturing doing it. They're
being very bold while we sit back and just react
to whatever happens to us. There's never this proactive. No, no, no,
here's our line in the sand. You're not doing this anymore.
We're gonna do it this way. And then the markets
go crazy and everyone says, oh no, this is the

(40:26):
worst thing in the world. We have been talking ad
nauseum about how we have to realign how we cannot
let this trajectory that we're on keep going the way
it's going. You cannot stay two trillion a year in
debt and climbing thirty six trillion in debt accumulative. It
has no good ending to it. And yet when we
try to cut, when we try to find that fraud, waste,

(40:48):
and abuse, we have rallies of lunatics saying hands off
the government, leave the government alone, don't touch it, let
it spend it as much as it needs and as
much as it wants. And any change is just is danger.
There is risk in the status quo. It just doesn't
feel risky the status quo, but it's a lot of risk.
Thank goodness, we have a president that was willing to

(41:09):
without a guaranteed outcome, not knowing how the negotiations are
going to go because you don't know, but was willing
to tackle that status quo. And we have got to
start being more programmed to do that. I think this
is an over in term that's this is tariffs. But
when we talk about cutting the federal government, they're going
to tell you that that you know, Big Bird and
PBS and MPR, the world will end as we know it.

(41:30):
If you don't keep funding it, there's going to be
so many stories of anything that would stop the status quo,
which is a dangerous status quo. But we have got
to be able to learn from what we're seeing right
here that you've got to be able to take the
risk to try and get this country to the greatness
it's been in the past and it can be again.
And there's only one guy that's going to do that.

(41:50):
It's not Congress, it's not to it's it really is
going to be this president and the team he's been
able to assemble, especially in this second administration. If we
if he doesn't do it now, whatever he does, that's
about the best you're gonna get. I hate to say.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I've always argued you never get anything done by a committee,
you really don't. You have to have a leader. And
Donald Trump is proving to be that leader China. And
this is this is an effort I think, and a
lot of people are saying this today. Greg he's put
a pause on this because he smoked out China. We
now know where China is coming from. Yep, China's economy
I think eighty this China is an export nation. You

(42:26):
know you talk about their they're massive middle class that
they have, but how much money realistically do they have
to buy many of these products that China make. So
what do they do? They ship them to the United
States and we we eat it up and buy it
all right, And they do so basically for free. There's
no tariffs on the on the so Donald Trump has

(42:46):
called him out and said, we're tired of doing this.
You're gonna play fair, and if you don't play fair,
we'll jack up those tariffs. What are they today, one
hundred and twenty and forty percent on anything. So China
needs the American consumer and China I think China is
very worried. I'm not sure what their economy is. I

(43:07):
hear is not real stable right now. You've been there
a couple of times a half. You've seen what happens
in China, and the American people, I don't think realize
how much control is asserted on the Chinese people by
the CCP.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, they don't have a free market. The government owns everything.
And when you go to China and you look at
they have city cities that you've never heard of in
your life that have five million people. Utah has three
and a half million as a state population. We have
the number of states that have less than five million
people in population. There's a bunch of them. They have

(43:41):
no name, anonymous cities with five million in population because
they have so many people. The thing about China, though,
is I have seen with my own eyes these thirty
to forty story half built. Whether they were for homes
or for offices, they're half built. You can tell that
they've been left to not be finished because things the
rebar looks like it's rusting, it doesn't look like anyone's

(44:04):
worked on it in a while, and it's like rows
of corn. This is how many of them there are.
It's like rows. It's like if you were at a
farm and you saw the rows of corn before a harvest.
That's how many of these forty thirty to forty story
half built skyscrapers. You see that they will leave. They
may build later, they may finish later, but it isn't
there's no one's there's no loan, there's no there's no

(44:25):
one's equity that was put as in a construction loan
that now the bank's going to foreclose on because they
half built it and couldn't finish it. There's that they
didn't prelease in time. They operate on economics that we don't.
It's because it's not a free market. So whatever is
going on in China, China is going to be China.
But what they have done to this world is that

(44:46):
they have been able to provide export and become have
the world become dependent on China. On China. I mean
they've gone into African countries and said we'll put we'll
build out your whole communications system as long as we
get to own it to keep it.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, need a damn will build it, you need bridges,
will build it, you need you need roads, will build it,
but you must remain friendly to us.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Well, and then they went into Australia and they said, yeah,
we don't want to buy your coal. We don't want
to buy we want to own it. Do you know
how much of a natural resources that are in Australia
are owned outright by the CCP, all of them. They
don't buy other people's things. They come in if they can,
if your country will let them, and they'll just own
it outright. Well, that's that is the that's the aggressor.

(45:27):
That's the one. Well we've seen now the whole country
or the whole world, really is looking at negotiating and
coming and staying on the side of the United States.
They've never been. China has never been a strong or
good or honest broker on trade. And but I'm just
telling you that this alignment was so necessary. And remember,
we had a Chinese balloon, surveillance balloon fly over this country.

(45:49):
We have GNC stores. We're so worried about how much
land they owned near our military bases they own. I
just learned this. They owned the GNC chain. They're inside
of military bases, these these retail outlets and they're inside
the stores, and they're owned by China. We have got
to take that country more seriously. And this is one
way through trade that we're gonna We got to write

(46:10):
the ship.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
There is a story out there now if you got
to find this, so it may have been Claimed Buck
talking about this this morning. I didn't catch all of it,
but a story that basically says, you know, the Chinese
ballooned over the float over the United States. The Biden
administration did not want to shut it down or shoot
it down, right, you know why why it would upset China.

(46:31):
That's the reason they like. Now, that's the story effort.
I'll dig that out during the break here, because the
story is out there. The Bidens didn't want to upset China,
so they didn't shoot down the balloon. Yeah, that's the reason.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Well, you can see a completely different brand of leadership
in President Trump, and you can see why it's long overdue. Now,
I will tell you the reason why they didn't want
to This is me just you know, surmising, but I
think the reason why the Biden family didn't want to
upset China's because they've been paid a king's fortune from China.
I think they've made a ton of money from that.
I think their family has well under Yeah, I think

(47:04):
a what they know and be what they pay. You
don't wanna, you don't wanna. You don't want to interrupt those guys.
You don't want to make those guys.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Matt all right. When we come back. I want to
get your thoughts on the pause, because when Greg and
I heard this earlier today were saying, oh, President Trump,
why are you doing this? We did that earl seemed dearly.
We want to get your reaction to it. Eight eight
eight five seven o eight zero one zero eight eight
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Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine K and R. Well, now there's

(47:31):
a video. It's done by the director of Housing. Okay,
and he went into an office pace. The place is
packed with people. People are getting you know, they're federal workers.
They're they're they're they're productive, they're happy. They like being
back in the office. Isn't that a refreshing change?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
It is. Imagine that seeing each other again, working together.
I gotta believe that when you go to work and
you walk in and you're seeing other people, it's got
to be more productive than in your house or online.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
It's like here today, this place of ghost town today.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I know we had a we had there was a.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Sales event today and all the salespeople we feel lonely.
There's e Ray, you, me and Abby.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I don't feel lonely. You don't feel you know who
keeps me company? Our audience.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
You are so good.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
That's what I'm here for you.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
You are a schmooz.

Speaker 9 (48:17):
No I'm not.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I just love This audience is the smartest audience in
all the land.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
All right, Well, we're asking, we're asking this audience today,
you people out there, your thoughts on the pause, because
when I heard it today I went, oh, mister prison,
don't do that. Man, all gas, no breaks, keep it going.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
You just fun to say, keep the pressure on and
they come back.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
They sweat alone, they need a sweat some more.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Well, we're asking you folks what you think of this?
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
So let's go to the phones. Let's go to these
great listeners. Let's go to Andy and Pleasant Grove. Andy,
welcome to the Run and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (48:55):
Hey, it's good to talk to you guys. Uh on this,
I think this is playing out just like Trump and
his administration wants. I think that this was a plan.
I think that he he is going to leverage these
ninety countries that he's pausing these tariffs on against the EU,
Canada and China in order to get them the cave.

(49:17):
I think it's all leverage. I think this was the
plan from the beginning. He's going to take those that
wanted to negotiate and make it the world against those
three instead of just America against.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
The world, Andy, what what do you think will happen
if they don't give in.

Speaker 11 (49:33):
I I don't think it'll be good if they don't
give in. But but I think when you've got the
US plus ninety other countries, as long as as long
as they hold to the deal that that maybe they made,
I think it's going to work. I don't think we
have to worry about it. I think I think when
you've got this many against three, it the writing's on

(49:53):
the wall.

Speaker 12 (49:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, I think And he's exactly right. Secretary Treasury Secretary
of descent came out and said that he had a
long discussion with the President on Sunday. This is this
is playing out as exactly as they had planned. And
so Andy's instincts are one hundred percent correct on this,
and it's been confirmed. They did believe And and even
Trump said today when he was talking to the press,
it's it's happening a little quicker than he thought. He thought.

(50:17):
He thought this negotiation and some of this where where
were the nations of this world going to Were they
gonna get on our side? Are they going to get
on the side of China? Yeah, And he thought it
might have to take a little while, because again we
are we're in the drivers when you buy everybody's everything.
So but we never really use that leverage. But he
thought it might take a little longer. But it's it's
happened very very fast. You can look two days ago

(50:39):
there was all but three yeah left.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Well, yeah, you think about it too, Greg. As I mentioned,
China is an export economy, you know, yes, if they
aren't sending stuff out anymore, how long did they wake up?
How long will it take a we aren't sending out this,
or we aren't doing this because of these tarifts, no
one's buying this. What are we going to do?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
This is the thing about Chinese. I believe that they
have this. They you know, you know, their dynasties with
hundreds of years, thousands of years, so they got a
long long view where we're very you know, we got
a stock market that in twenty minutes, the whole world's
not solved. They're just panicking and selling. Okay, but China,
that's a law, that's an old civilization. Boy, they've got
a lot longer time horizon. I think they could sit

(51:20):
and just and decide, okay, we won't send it. Let's
see how long it takes you to develop these stronger
partnerships with other countries. But go ahead, because we're going
to wean ourselves off of China. I would love nothing
more than ninety six percent of the rare minerals excavated
or extracted or processed coming from China. I would love
to see that from other countries, or preferably here in

(51:42):
the United States, where we could extract rare minerals here
in Utah Grand County and process it here and not
have to depend on them for our batteries and for
everything that rare minerals require. So let them keep going
their way. They're stubborn. Let them stay there. I think
the rest of the world we can move on.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
David is in Sedills. He had something to say about
this topic tonight. David, how are you welcome to the
Roden greg Show.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Hello? Hello, Hey. I just believe that Trump planned this
from from the start exactly how pretty much I knew how.

Speaker 15 (52:16):
He was going to go forward. Of course, he's so
flexibly move forward in that way. But I love the
statement from his son Eric a few days ago passed
that he said I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
See the last nation to chime in on this. I've
watched this all of my life. Trump is an absolute
genius and has proven once again is brilliant in being
a fifth dimensional chess player with the worlholes.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
It's like you're watching a movie and you're in your
mind is trying to track Okay, what are the hints?
Where's the plot?

Speaker 7 (53:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
It's like the movies that come out where there's a
there's a thief, you know, and they're they're they're doing
all these things and you think that they're and all
of a sudden everything comes together at the end and
you're like, oh, okay, And then you can think back
at the movie. There were little tells here and there,
and all of a sudden it all kind of clicks together.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
We you know.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
The thing about public policy, though, is that there was
no guarantees that anything that Trump was doing then would
actually succeed. He has his instinct, he has his experiences
in life, but nothing's guaranteed. I know that the world
doesn't like, and country doesn't like, and stock market doesn't like.
Something that's not guaranteed. But he had good instincts, he
has a good gut, and and you just had to
let give him the time to do it now, I

(53:39):
will tell you this. In addition to Adams, Senator Shift
saying I'm looking I'm starting an investigation looking at insider
trading because he's so mad that this deal has been made.
Now you have the New York Times another saying he caved.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yea, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
He didn't negotiate this position with the world. He caved
to the world because he was about to create a
nuclear meltdown, economic meltdown. So he had to reverse quick,
reverse course quickly because his error was so glaring and
so bad. That would be that would be revisionist history,
that would not be true. That would be the people
that can't stand Trump can't stand it.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, yeah, all right, We've got a lot more to
say on that, and more your phone calls coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I am Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
And I'm Rod Arkent. Great to be with you as
you work your way home on this two Wednesday Wednesday,
wing men Wednesday, I forgot all about today, wing men
Wednesday Today. All right, I've got a win I think
a win win exit strategy for Donald Trump if he
needs one.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I think he's got it right. He may have really
drilled gay, Yeah, drill down.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
But I think he should ask for network time and
in ten minutes explain to the American people what he's doing, saying,
here's what we want. We want no barriers, we want
free trade. That is all I'm asking for, and to
show the American people since World War Two how they
have been screwed by these tariffs. Yes, Byler and Victor

(54:57):
Davis Hansen. I heard a SoundBite with a Victor who
we have a on the show quite often, a sound
bite today on the Clay and Buck Show, and basically Greg,
he laid it all out. He goes, China has this tariff.
You know, this country has this tariff. Their economies don't
seem to be suffering. So why does the US economy
suffer if in fact we put tariffs in place? And

(55:19):
I think nobody nobody is asking that question. When you
get all these democrats, will someone asked them, Okay, if
tariffs are good for China or for Japan, why are
they not good for the United States. I haven't heard
one journalist or one pundit ask somebody that question.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Well, let me tell you how good tariffs are for China. Oh,
they're great for China, China, the United States lost three
point seven million jobs between two thousand and one and
when China, when China entered the World Trade Organization, So
they entered in two thousand and one twenty eighteen, seventy
five and a half percent of those jobs were in manufacturing.
I'm going to tell you right now, there's a great

(56:01):
comment made that, you know, these the leftists who were
kind of the elitists, the elitists of this country, they
are appalled at work at blue collar work. They if
their children were to opt into a profession that was
a profession of labor, they would they would be humiliated
their wine and cheese parties. They couldn't even confess. They'd

(56:21):
rather have a kid who doesn't know what gender they
are than have someone that's working in in manufacturing. They could,
they just couldn't bear it. You know, there was a time,
and it really really wasn't that long ago where people's
feet had touched a factory floor and it wasn't completely
foreign to them. Well, the elitists trying to run our trade,
trying to make these decisions for the rest of this country,

(56:42):
trying leaving the rest of everyday Americans out of the equation.
Their feet have never been touched a frat factory floor.
They don't know anything about labor or the manufacturing. They
want nothing to do with it. And in the world,
and sadly, these people with the high income, the housing,
the everything is tracked to them and it's left everyone

(57:03):
else behind. Average American can't buy a home with the
kind of average salary you have to have to buy
a home. There's something wrong there. And how did you
go there? Reverse engineer and you'll find a lot of
these trade deals at the heart of this problem.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Numbers came out today. The average American needs to make
one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars a year to afford
a home in this country today. One hundred and seventeen
thousand dollars, yes, a year. Now. I asked you this,
Greg and we're coming up on a break here. But
what's wrong with America having an economy like China? In
the fact that we manufacture everything Like you were saying,

(57:36):
factories are running, people are working, people are producing things.
We're growing trees so that we have wooding for is Matthews? Yes,
what is wrong with America having an economy and export economy?
Like China has and a secure economy because if we're
making things, we're much more secure than depending on the
rest of the world. Just ship puts our aluminum or steel,

(57:58):
our fruit unit, our cars.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Well, this seemed I know we're going to go. It
seemed to be common knowledge. When COVID hit and the
global supply changes shut down. Immediately, we felt how vulnerable
we were. We should be self reliant, We should have
these industries here at home, and I think that's where
we're going. They'll be. I think some terroists will still
stay in place. I think that there's some some wisdom
in that. But I think the reciprocal approach and then

(58:21):
having these companies come in here at the United States
and invest in our country and their industries here, that
is what we have to do.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Big fundraising event last night for the Republican National Congressional Committee,
that's the committee that raised money for the candidates to win,
Donald Trump said this, I'm very proud to be the
president for the American worker, YEP. And that's what he's
trying to do. He is proud to represent and be
the president for the American people who want to work, produce,
and be proud of what they do. That's every day Americans,

(58:49):
and that's everyday Americans. That's what he's striving for. All Right,
the tax plan, where does it stand? And do we
need it now more than ever? We'll talk about it
coming down next day with us. The one thing that
is frustrating, I think many of you certainly it is
Greg and I is Congress can't seem get its act

(59:12):
together on the president's tax plan. He wants a big,
beautiful package. Yes, that will not only continue with his
you know, his tax plan that was put together really
by Steve Moore and Arthur Laffer and Larry Kudlow, and
we'll have Steve on the show tomorrow. But we're wondering. Okay, Congress,
he's doing everything he can. He's now in this you know,
this tariff battle which he is standing by. We need

(59:35):
you to come through on the tax plan.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Now.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
The House today tried to do something I haven't seen
the results as of yet, to get a budget passed.
Apparently the Senate has a budget plan, But Greg, where
where is the tax plan?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
So you know, I heard discussion that there was some
there was some chatter over the weekend, and there was
a comment by Congressman Chip Roy saying that what the
Senate's doing is it's it's it's a non starter in
the House for a lot of them, which you know,
they don't have enough of a majority. They just three
people are matter four that they don't have enough of
a vote. But what a senator responded was, you know,

(01:00:10):
the rules of the Senate and how they send over
a budget to the House has some different parameters than
the then the Senate has different parameters in the House.
And that's typical by the way, your House rules and
your Senate rules don't always match up perfectly. And what
the Center was trying to say is what we sent
over by our rule, by Senate rule is not the
isn't the diet cast And in final form, there's there's

(01:00:32):
much to be discussed. And what the Center said is
I'd like to discuss with the members of the House. Yes,
you know, but senators and House members and get that right.
But there's a lot a lot of room to do that.
That's what it's got to happen. That way, If people
start debating this or trying to do this through the media,
then then we're back into performative politics, and we don't
have time for it. No, we really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
We don't. We don't. Well, joining us on our newsmaker
line to talk more about why we need this tax
plan right now is Deroy Murdoki is a Fox News
can tributor. You can also see his articles on the
Daily Signal. Deroy, we haven't had you on the show
for a while. Thanks for joining us tonight. Tell us
about this tax plan. Why you think it's so important
that we pass it and pass it now?

Speaker 16 (01:01:11):
Well, what I wrote this piece, My concern was that
the tariffs were ticking in at a time when people
are still suffering the effects of Bidenomics. You know, people
are still paying taxes that are too high, paying prices
that are too high for groceries, for energy, for close,
for everything else. And my view is that if we
are going to do tariffs, my view is they should

(01:01:32):
be only used as a negotiating tactic, not as permanent
new taxes on goods. But even if they're used just
as sort of blending some me trauma to get people
to come to negotiating table. You know, there's some long
there's some short term impact at least in that and
that impact audible fall in economy that is liberated from Bidenomics,
with lower tax rates, greater deductions, no tax on tips,

(01:01:54):
no text on overtime, no tax on so social security benefits.
And if we do that in economy is booming and expanding,
we're in much better shaped to withstand the effects of
tariffs than do it now when people are still reeling
and waiting to see some improvement their pocketbooks. And certainly
over the last few days we've seen the stock market
go down and now just gone right back up in

(01:02:15):
the last few hours. So I'm sure people said they're spending,
But I really think we really need a tax cut.
We need it now, we need it very soon. We
need the Democrat I think we say, the Republicans who
run the Senate House to focus on this and get
this done. And I think you should be on President
Trump's desk. Ideally tax Day, although that's only next week,
that's probably too soon. If not April fifteenth, I'd say

(01:02:35):
May Day, which is perfect data sign a limited government,
free market tax cut ruined the May Days for a
social assault around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Ah, I love that idea. So what I hear you saying,
because this extending the twenty seventeen tax cuts is not
a tax cut at all. It's actually just a staving
off a massive tax increase. A lot of people are
how are you going to pay for it? Well, if
you've got a Congressional Budget office penciling in tax increase,
well that's penciling in a tax increase. That's but we're

(01:03:03):
just hold. All we want to do in terms of
the Trump tax cuts is just hold, stay, don't raise
our taxes. That's what I hear you saying is, Oh,
let's do more than that tax on tips. Let's go
let's give some tax relief and even go beyond just
the so called extending of tax cuts, which would be
a tax increase. Do you so, are you advocating for
both extend our current tax rate and don't have a

(01:03:25):
tax increase and then look at some other tax relief
as well.

Speaker 16 (01:03:29):
Absolutely correct on the first part. You're right. This is
not tax cut. This is just extending the current tax
rates into the future, hopefully making them permanent. And the
important thing about that is not only most two things.
One is not sucking more money out out of the
pockets and bank accounts of the over taxed American people
in American corporations, but giving people some clarity. So if

(01:03:50):
you are deciding, hey, should we expand our business, should
we add another shift to the factory, should we build
a brand new plant, should we open that hotel or
not open that hotel. You look at your revenues in
twenty twenty six, and you're not sure if they're going
to be taxed at twenty one percent, which is the
current rate, if it's going to shoot back up to
thirty five percent, is going to go down to fifteen
percent if you're manufacturing the US, which is incredibly attractive

(01:04:13):
corporate tax. If you look at your spreadsheet running a right,
how much money are going to make next year? And
you can't answer the question because you don't know what
what the corporate tax will be. So at a bare minimum,
we want to give people clarity so they can plan
and say, Okay, yes, this proposal makes sense because the
tax revenue will be the tax payments will be low
enough so we can afford it, or no, it's not,
let's go put our money someplace. Elves right now. People
can't make those kinds of decisions. As for additional tax relief, absolutely,

(01:04:35):
I think President Trump's promises that he made repeatedly every
single day on the campaign trail. No taxes on tips,
no taxes in overtime, no taxes on Social Security. That
is absolute, vital and necessary and would be very positive
tax relief for American people. Let Americans keep more money
in their pockets and use that money either to save,
invest or purchase things that they need for themselves and

(01:04:58):
their loved ones. Rather see that money in the hands
and wallets and pocketbooks and bank accounts of the American
people in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Washington, d C.

Speaker 16 (01:05:06):
Being set a blazes. Those is documented in such a
horrific and really kind of spine and spine tingling detail.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Deroy, get to the bottom of this one. What on
earth do you think is holding Congress up from moving forward?
I mean, what on earth is going on in the
House and Senate which is preventing a bill, a big,
beautiful bill to get before President's Trump.

Speaker 16 (01:05:26):
Well, I think part of it is up up until
probably the last couple of weeks. Just a lack of
sense of urgency. I've heard people say, well, you know,
we'll cut taxes maybe in the fall, or maybe in
time for Thanksgiving, or I know one center says, well,
you know, we'll have three big bills and one of
them will be a third bill, the twenty twenty six,
where we'll have the no tax on tips, no tax
on so security, no tax on overtime. And you know,

(01:05:47):
the whole thought should have been, look, come in, cut
the tax again, get it on the president's desk by
April fifteenth, by tax day. They should have been working
on this all along, and for whatever reason, they thought,
you know, let's work on other stuff. I think, frankly,
President Trump should have the tariffs to the side, said look,
boys and girls, we're going to cut tax and we're
going to do it soon. We'll work on it non stop.
You know, we'll have Tom Oman work on the border
while the rest of us work on fixing the tax

(01:06:09):
code and get that going. But the thought was, no,
let's work on tariffs instead. And to the degree that
President Trump was focused on that, that took a lot
of the pressure off of Congress to get this thing
going and on his desk right away. I think now
because of the markets see song, the way they are
and all that, I think there's more of a sense, Okay,
we need to focus on this. But this this should
have been, you know, on his desk already or heading

(01:06:29):
there sooner. I think one other thing that slowed it
down was this incredibly raised thin margin in the House.
It's so much so that Alist Defonico was supposed to
go to the UN as you an ambassador. President Trump
withdrew her nomination said, look, we need every vote we
can to get the entire program, the tax cuts and
everything else through the House. So sorry, at least I'm
not going to make you you an ambassador. Just stay

(01:06:49):
on the hill as congressman from upstate New York. So
if they had had a bigger majority and didn't have
to try to throw the needle on one bill after another,
they might have been able to get something up on
his desk already, or at least habitating there soon. You know,
every every vote that's going through there now is just
scraping by with the margin of one or two votes
that they've given the Florida one, Florida six special elections.

(01:07:11):
We could go yesterday, and they now have a little
more a little bit more breathing room, you know, two
extra votes, but it's still very tight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
You know, I've never seen ever Democrats make a supply
cider argument against tariffs. They have said, look, if you
raise taxes on these companies. They're just going to be
forced to raise taxes on the American people that the
people that buy it people can't afford it. Since they're
since they are so committed to that message, and it
was framed around tariffs, the same message can be made

(01:07:39):
about corporate income tax can we get can we hold
them to the exact same words and sentences that they've
been paying saying about tariffs and say you know this,
you're right if you raise taxes on corporations, it's just
passed on to the consumer. It's just and people are
suffering right now, Join us and let's cut these taxes together.
Can we either get them to agree to their this

(01:07:59):
that that rhetoric, or at least expose them that they
it's all situational for them and they mean nothing about
what they say.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
No dream can dream.

Speaker 16 (01:08:11):
Man, A man can dream, A man can dream. Well,
you know, you're assuming that the Democrats have the capacity
for consistency, and I think'll just say I admire your optimism.
Either are the same people who when we had two
negative quarters under Joe Biites, So no, it's not recession
recessions three negative quarters. I mean, they'll just change the
definition of things, you know, on the fly. And by way,

(01:08:31):
if we have one negative quarter under Trump, it'll be recession,
even though you need two negative quarters, so you need
three under Biden Neil and need one under Trump. So
they will, they will change the definitions every ten minutes
if they need to. Unfortunately, but I appreciate your point.
I just don't think they're going to bite it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
They almost did. They almost call declared a recession on
three bad business days with Trump. We were about we
were about recession status there.

Speaker 16 (01:08:54):
That's right, yere three negative trading days and we're already
quote unquote in recession.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
That's of course too the Democrats. You make a very
good point on that. Deroy Mordoch joining us on our
news Maker line. He's a Fox News contributor. Always good
to have Deroy on the show here on Talk Radio
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Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
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Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I don't like country.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
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it and I really got into it, and then it
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Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
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kind of country. It's like whom I think Chris stableed it, Yes,
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don't know who you compared to, maybe Luke Bryant. Yeah,
I don't know. But that's kind of the difference between.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
When I was growing up. I thought the Eagles were country.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Well they were, and I like they were.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
And when someone say you like country music, I'd say
when I was a kid, I'd say, yeah, I love
the Eagles because I thought the Eagles were country. I
thought that well, and some people thought they were one
to you listen to some of their songs take It
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there's a lot of yes, I like. I like Life
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Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I like Lion Eyes Seven Bridges Road. I've never heard
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Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
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Glenn Frye, one time member of the Beatles before or
the Eagles before he passed away, wrote a great song
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Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Now that we have shared our immense knowledge of music.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
But this is celebration because I just Trump music, Trump
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and ninety days to get there, get there, come with
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Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
All right, We've got more to come other than just
our immense music knowledge. You're on the Rotting Gregg Show,
on This wing Man Wednesday and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n R.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
An a lot of things happening. One of the things
that has just been a persistent challenge, particularly since twenty
twenty when you saw the riots come out George Latifa
and George Floyd. Law enforcement, public safety has become a challenge.
You got that narrative of you know, the you know,
defund the police. The police are the bad guys, so
there's no greater insult in you know, taking on a

(01:12:25):
job of law enforcements which we need, and then being
called the bad guys by a media or whomever. And
so I think I think this next segment and Our
and Our Guest is a really important one in terms
of public safety and really getting a hold of you
know how this has gotten so far away from us
in terms of catch and release, no bail. We have

(01:12:47):
got to pull things in and I think one of
the first steps is to have a good emerging workforce
of talented and people ready to be look at careers
in law enforce.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
You know, I really admire the families of law enforcement
who you know, their their husband or their wife, member
their family leave every day to go patrol our highways
to make our community safe, never knowing. I mean, it's
got to be in the back of their mind. I
don't know how they deal with the greg are they
coming home, What's going to happen to them? You know,

(01:13:16):
what are they going to run into when they're out there?
And I don't know how they deal with it. I
admire them here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, and the challenge. It's worse when when it seems
like the odds are against you. That with the with
the with the body cams, and with people trying to
bait or challenge or not respect law enforcement, and it's
just you they have to be so careful and everything
because they're under such scrutiny and things that anyway, it's
it's a tough job.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Very touch Yeah. Well, the Department of Public Safety and
the Utah Chiefs of Police Association have announced a brand
new program. It's called find Yourself in Utah. It is
a really a statewide law enforcement recruitment campaign, I think,
designed to attract the next generational officers and public safety professionals.
Joining us now on our Newsmaker line to talk more

(01:14:02):
about that as Brad Bishop, he is president of the
Utah Police Association. Brad, thanks for joining is. Let me
ask you this first of all, Chief, how challenging is
it for for law enforcement to find people who want
to be in law enforcement these days?

Speaker 17 (01:14:17):
Well? I think it's uh, it's it's been a it's
been a long road to get to where we're at.
We've made some strides, but we're still all fighting for
the same number of candidates and uh, this uh uh
announcement today hopefully help us get get to the point
where you know, we have we've had candidates that are

(01:14:39):
you know, seeing that Utah is a great place to
start a career and and uh, you know, push forward
with bringing new new individuals into our into our profession.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
You know, the ranks have seemed to be struggling in
terms of how many we have, how many post academies
are used to in Utah used to have the post
academy at satellite academies around the state. It doesn't seems
that we're seeing people make that career decision anymore. What
I've heard, which my question is are we still in
this era? Are we coming out of it? I have
heard veteran law enforcement members of law enforcement who have

(01:15:12):
not encouraged their children to enter into the profession they
have spent their lives in because it's an inherently very
dangerous profession. But it's also with the media and others
calling them the bad guys. No, that's insult to injury.
And so you're seeing retirement step up. You're seeing those
encourage their family members to maybe not pursue that career because,
as I said, you're the bad guy and you're it's dangerous,

(01:15:34):
which is an irony. Are we getting out of that? Chief?
Please tell me that we're restoring the dignity and the
importance of public safety and our peace officers or our
law enforcement officers.

Speaker 17 (01:15:45):
I think we're I think we've made grid strides in
that direction. I do feel that we've came out of
that quite a bit, you know. I was just looking
at the post numbers of those that went through the
Police Academy. In twenty twenty four, we had nearly one
thousand new officers enter the Police Academy. And and that's
good news, you know, I think that's great. The only

(01:16:08):
problem is is we're growing as We're growing as fast
as about anywhere in this country, and and those thousand
officers that are graduating aren't going very far. So along
with retirements, we do have, you know, a huge population growth,
and keeping up with those numbers is probably going to
be difficult. You don't tell our population levels out a

(01:16:29):
little bit, but I do feel that, you know, we
made great strides in that direction. And in my department,
I you know, we we do get a lot more
applicants than we were a few years ago. And you know,
there were times where we were seeing you know, as
few as ten applicants. But even the last few times
I've I've had openings, you know, as recently as two

(01:16:51):
months ago, you know, we had forty or fifty applicants
with is which is which is? You know, head and
shoulders above where we were at, you know, just giving
a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Yeah, that is great news. Chief Chief Greg brought up
the issue of safety and the challenges that law enforcement
faces today. Another challenge is pay and I always hear
that from law off has there law enforcement officer is
about pay? How have communities and the state tried to
address the issue of pay when it comes to law enforcement?

Speaker 17 (01:17:19):
You know, pay has been an issue for a long
time in law enforcement, and over the last you know,
say ten years, it has come a long ways. You know.
I think the big problem is the cost of living
in our state has has jumped quite a bit, as
you know, and that pay is is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Is getting there.

Speaker 17 (01:17:37):
It's just not where it needs to be yet. You know,
even though our state and our you know, community leaders,
our city and counties have actually invested quite a bit
in law enforcement over the last several years. I think
we're getting there. We still got a little a little
more room to catch up some with some of our
neighboring states, but I think we are headed in the

(01:17:58):
right direction.

Speaker 10 (01:17:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
You I see that this is there's a big moment
coming where you have and I think it was actually
it's today, where you had you had your county sheriffs,
you had your chiefs of police, you had Department of
Public Safety typically where you're talking about pay and you're
talking about not as many law enforcement officers as any

(01:18:20):
department or county sheriff may need or DPSU. There's almost
this poaching that you could see going on to see
you guys, see all of our members of law enforcement
and the different jurisdictions coming together to really promote a
career in law enforcement. Are are you suggesting that there's
a lot more communication and less of the taking from
each other and maybe cannibalizing our law enforcement ranks and

(01:18:42):
actually trying to grow it for all.

Speaker 17 (01:18:46):
I would like to say that's happening, but but you know,
to be one hundred percent honest with you, I think,
I think, I think this is just a first step
in maybe putting a den in the you know, the
battling for a limited limited pool. But it is still happening,
and and you know, and and while we were at

(01:19:06):
the press conference, I did hear one of our North
End neighboring agencies here stold for from his next door neighbors.
So I can't say that has stopped. But you know
that has a lot to do with you know, we
go back to the pay issue is you know, some
of our some of our cities and counties and state,

(01:19:27):
you know, their budgets may be a little bit bigger
than you know, maybe some of the other agencies, and
they're able to offer offer a little bit better pay.
And I do I do think that that that does,
you know, have something to do with it. But you know,
if you're if you're a young officer with a young family,
and you know you're trying to uh, you know, buy

(01:19:48):
a home and put your put your roots down in
the community, you know that that little extra pay is
a huge thing. And then you almost can't uh get
me mad at them for wanting to make their their
situation and better with their their incomes. So, yes, it's
still happening. And with the uh, you know the campaign
that we're you know, find yourself in Utah, that that's

(01:20:10):
what we're trying to do is bring bring new faces
to law enforcement and and just highlight that you know,
Utah is a very proactive police state. You know, it's
a good place to raise your family. We got great
support from from our community members, our our local officials,
our state officials, and you know, if you know, we're

(01:20:33):
trying to even steal some from other states saying hey,
if you're not appreciated and in the state you're working it,
come to Utah. We appreciate our police officers and and
that's that's part of the campaign, not only bringing you know,
college graduates and high school graduates in, but but we
want we want, we want the good people to come
to Utah and and and help us out be part

(01:20:54):
of our community and and make it even better place
to live.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Chief talk about you know, when you think of police,
you think of the you know, the men and women
out on the street and the patrol course and everything.
But there there there are other career paths that I
don't think people realize when it comes to law enforcement.
Talk about that a little bit, because I think people
become thinks, you know, think only well, I don't want
to be the person out on the street, the man
or woman out on the street. But there are other
career paths that they can choose as well. I don't

(01:21:19):
know if we talk enough about that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
Do we no no, we don't.

Speaker 17 (01:21:22):
And that's that's a great point that you make, is
there is there is a lot of different aspects of
law enforcement. I mean, we have the corrections department, we
have you know, we have investigations departments, we have crime
scene investigators, we have you know, crime analysts. You know,
we have you know, a lot of folks that work
in our records and our administrative staff. You know, there's

(01:21:45):
there is you know, we got you know, you got pilots,
You've got motorcycle officers, you've got undercover officers. There is
there is a lot of stuff that that you can
work in law enforcement that you don't have to be
a sworn officer on the street. You know, most of
our departments have you know, my department in the size
of twenty six officers, but we know have four or

(01:22:06):
five civilian members of our department as well that are
just as crucial to our operation as you know the
officers on the street or the officers you know in
a narcotics task force and stuff like that. So you know,
there is a lot of civilian opportunities in law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
On our Newsmaker line, that is Chief Brad Bishop. Chief
Bishop is the president of the Utah Police Chiefs Association
talking about a campaign that they've launched to encourage more
and more people to seek your career in law enforcement. Greg,
you work with the sheriffs throughout the state. They are
badly needed. We need new people, yes there to get
interested in law enforcement. And it's not just people on

(01:22:45):
the street. There are other career paths in law enforcement
that I brought up that people may be attracted to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Yeah, and when you get into these royal counties there,
search and rescue, there's all kinds of things that these
sheriffs do, these deputy sheriffs do that are a lot
of fun, a lot of a lot of good things
in law enforcem as a career and a profession.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
And they've got a big event coming up at the
end of the month. As a matter of fact, you
may be there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I might.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Yeah, we may step that up to broadcast live from there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
I would love that today. Vacation be on vacation, yes,
I you know, I guess well, we had asked the
callers maybe that maybe want to go on if we
put up to those listeners, I think I think no
vacation for you keep working a government worker. You can't
show up the work.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
That was that was kidding. Well, we had a busy day.
We had a chance to meet with some of our
great advertisers today.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
The Living Plan I had never been to, haven't been
there before.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
And we had sharks behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
I mean, we're almost in and we had well we
had to sharks. My dumb friend d was stung by stingray.
It was really awesome. You should see it was it was.
It actually enhanced my quality of life watching Why do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
You wish such ill things on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Your because he deserves it. He just deserves it, like
you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Know, but he watch a d on the show someday
and talk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
It'd be a show killer. You lose every list Every
listener would stop. They would just take it off their set.
They would erase their iHeart Radio app. They don't want
to ever hear from. My dumb friend.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
Confirmed it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
He met him at a concert once and he was like,
is there any is there any points of the story
or are you just gonna talk like during a concert?
You were so he got stung by a sting ray.
It was the funniest thing. We were at Coronado and
it was a warm summer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I think, yeah, they are already.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Well, if you stay in the water for eight hours
like he did, they'll find you eventually. And they did,
and he was just rocking back and forth. Yeah, and
he said, he was just we're all and we're donecause
he can't get out of the water. He's just like
hypnotized by it. So so he gets stung by it's
just like a crowd around him. Why he's rocking. It
was so funny, and so I got Yeah, so I

(01:24:49):
saw that sting ray. There was a couple of them
in that tank today and I just I just had
warm memories of the sting ray attacking my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Yeah, i'd never been to the Living Aquarium.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Yeah, it's a fun place.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
What is that spider thing?

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Well, that was you know, that was that was a
holdover from the you two had a giant car, had
a giant a concert at rice Ecles and they left
it and it was kind of a yeah, the story
they left it. They didn't they didn't take it with them, and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
So did the aquarium pick it up?

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I think I don't know if it was on sale,
I don't know if they.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Didn't they put it out of the airport because you
love the airport. Yeah, well no, well that would be
that would be a'd be it was. There are three
of them, yeah, about one, but they stated, but that came.
You know what happened is they put that up there
and then COVID happened, like shut down having like a
week later. Many people thought that that was the cause
of COVID, like or the shutdown. Was that weird thing

(01:25:40):
that Yeah, they built there at the Ramitarium, But no,
that's a great you know, that's the most visited cultural
facility in Utah, more than more than the zoo.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Yes more. You saw that. You saw the school school buses.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Were lined up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
That is packed. People love their penguins. It's also the
largest aquarium that's inland, like most of the aquariums that
size are in San Diego and along the coast. It's
the largest aquarium of its size.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Doesn't it seem weird though, to have an aquarium in
the middle of it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Does? It absolutely does. But I will tell you that
because it's so unique and so rare, it's really made
it a musty. If you haven't been, you you have brains.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Yeah, I've got kids probably down to it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
You've got to go. It's worth visiting. It's in my
neck of the woods, so I've been there a bunch
of times. I quite like it. And in that room
we had where they haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Have you thought about sticking D in the water tank?

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Yes? I have. Actually I thought about it even today
as we're sitting on that because we're in those chairs
and that glass is behind. I thought, I thought, man,
if I could throw D in there, Oh, that would
be so much fun watching him flail around. Oh there
are sharks in there too, so between the sharks and
this thing raised that would be fun to watch.

Speaker 10 (01:26:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I know I played golf with you and D. Yes,
I think D is a delightful guy. Oh you know
what you're just trying to No, No, he's a delightful guy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Well, no, he's a lifelong friend. Where a childhood friend.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Yes, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
When I would speak of the house, he would come
up for the session, and they used to have to
put the intern orientation, used to put up a picture
of him and say, you will see this man. You
will not know why he's here, and don't wonder why
he's the speaker's lifelong friend.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Okay, all right, Well we'll be back tomorrow, or if
we're still friends, head up, soldiers back thy God, please
you and your family. This great country of ours will
talk to you tomorrow at four

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