The Rod and Greg Show: Charlie Kirk Effect; Politicians Addicted to Drama over Duty; Hostages Freed

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are we tired of winning yet? I mean peace in
the Middle East. This is a This has been a
refrain that I have heard as long as I can remember.
Is from as long as I remember there being a
place in the world called the Middle East, it has
been nothing but terror and uh in combat and in wars.
And it just didn't seem like the peace in the

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Middle East was anything more than a you know, Santa
Claus is coming to town. It just didn't seem like
there was something. It was very aspirational, but was there
anything really to it.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, oftentimes I've said to people, the chance of doing
that is like trying to get peace in the Mid East.
I never thought it would happen.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, it was your example of a spitting in
the wind.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah. At well, we have a lot to celebrate today
on the show. First Fall is Columbus Day. And do
you know what the president has said, It is now
Columbus Day. It is not what Biden wanted. Indigenous People Day.
Today is Columbus Day. And the thing about Christopher Columbus,
I don't think anyone recognizes, but most Americans do. It

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was his courage. I mean think about it. He had
three small they weren't very big ships packed with as
much food and water as they could, thinking they were
going to discover Asia. Instead they landed in the Bahamas.
I mean that took a lot of courage, right, So
we have that celebration. We have the celebration today of
the Middle East, and we'll get into that and dig
into that today. There is a certain individual on this

(01:20):
radio show that we love dearly. And she has been
with iHeartRadio for twenty five years. Yes, she celebrated her
twenty fifth anniversary yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, amazing, Abby Bon. Now she is a veteran news
director here at Canners. I have been prior to darkening
the door of this great station, I have been listening
to her for a long long time. She has been
a source for news and good content. And she takes
again to know her better. She takes her job so
seriously and she is just unbelievable energy and example.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, and if a mistake has made, no one is
harder on herself than she is.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I haven't seen that so I.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
But she does make that well when she does, I
tell you what, she is hard on herself.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I just I can't remember. I just her accent and
her her really the content. It's just been so good
that I is always stuck in my mind.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, and we have another celebration today. It is your birthday.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Ah yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well we found you know whose birthday it is as well? Today.
There are several people out there I know a few,
but Sammy Hagar's birthday. I wonder is his Christian name Samuel?
And I'm thinking Samuel for his thoughtful song wishing all
those of us on ten thirteen. Uh, Nancy Kerrigan isater
who Margaret Thatcher Margaret Thatcher's birthday today, documentary on her.

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I guess coming up?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, your favorite Jerry Jones, owner Dallas Cowboy. That's his
birthday today.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Depends on the day and the winter or the that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Maria birthday October thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Wow, my uncle Danny, Uncle Danny, My uncle.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Danny's birthday today. Then my neighbor's kid, Brent, who was
a She was a monster. She was a little kid
and she would just loop my home. She would just
break in. She's like four. She come in my home,
go in the pantry, go down, get all my kids'
video games, just armsful and just run out of my house.
As she got older, I just didn't even know she
could get into a church, you know, and not see
the foundation's shake because she's such a rotten kid. Well, yeah,

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it's her birthday. I told her when I was a lawmaker,
I was going to pass a law to make sure
it wasn't her birthday. It was mine first, and she
was ruining it for me. But it's her birthday too.
I was never able to get that bill passed into law.
So it's your birthday, it's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yep. Do you know every day you're getting closer
to that wonderful age?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I wrote that in a note to everybody about your
birthday today. You say each day he's getting closer and
closer to that magical number.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
So look, I will just come clean and I will
say I am closer to sixty as of today than
I was to fi i am to fifty. But I
will say this too. You teat off way before me,
pal in this little eighteen hole round we're all living. Okay,
I'm on the back nine and it's a fact. But
guess what, Yeah, your tea time was way before mine.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So you told me something interesting about your feelings when
it comes to birthday. Yes, if people express happy birthday
to you, it doesn't matter to you.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I take that back. You want gifts people that I
don't that I don't know as well. I wouldn't imagine
that they would be going to the trouble of getting
me a gift. It's my kids, these kids I've raised.
Now they're young adults. See the present birthday no way
get older. Their ability to give me a gift that
starts to get better. And all these kids, as young

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adults think just wishing me happy birthday is enough to
say call me happy birthday, Dad? Cool, what'd you get me?
I'm calling you? Oh you called me? You called me
on my birthday? Oh, let me sit down on your No,
these kids, you know what I brought them in this world.
I can take them. They and they're in a nation now.
Like if they were younger, they just dry a picture

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or something which is cute. I'd love I put in
my nights stand, remember I would. But they're old enough
now they can they can actually generate a decent gift.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, you have one son. They're modeling in college for
crying out loud and.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Be raised these kids right, and I should be able
to Now I will say I will say that I
served with uh. I don't know if she'd want me
to say this, but she's almost like a mother.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Figured.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
She watched out for me when I was the legislator,
and I love her to pieces. And it's it's our
own Utah version of Margaret Thatcher. It's Senator Margaret Dayton.
She does not miss my birthday and she brings me
a beautiful chocolate bunk cake on my birthday. And she
might not like she might not like that. I just
told that to all our listeners, but it touches my
heart and it is I almost feel guilty because she's

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never missed. And I'm telling you that it is a
tradition that is just beautiful.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
That he gives a chocolate bun cake. Do we ever
see it? Do we get a slice of the.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Market scarfing that thing down? So she came, I mean,
it's not just it's a great tasting one. So I yeah, exactly. Well,
if you put milk on it, it certainly is, but
it's like it's like cereal. But no, she's she's what
a colleague to serve with and to learn from. She
was there and she was always an example to me.
But anyway, do uh and do enjoy my birthday? I

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have birthday todayand Uncle Benny, if you're listening on, iHeart
Happy birthdays to Marie Osband. Was her birthday too. There's
another person whose birthday is today. But I only found
this out today and I kind of I'm not happy
about it.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Would you like to share?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I guess aoc, Oh, it's AOC's birthday. Thinks about my
she has my I had it before her. We should
all all of us really try to get her awfully
away from this date. She doesn't like her this day
is her birthday like that one. It's about it. She
shouldn't have this days or birth.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, we've got a lot to get to today. Other
than mister Hughes's birthday. We are celebrating maybe the first
step toward Pete's in the Middle East. We'll talk about
that today. We'll talk about the Virginia A G Rays
getting a lot of attention, but there's a Charlie Kirk
effect in there. We'll talk about that as well. We'll
talk about driver's licenses. We'll also talk about the shutdown,
and we'll talk we'll we'll talk with amos Era. Amos

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is a university of Utah law professor got back today
as a matter of fact, from Israel, and we'll get
his take on that.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
If you remember, folks, we spoke with him last week
when he was in tel Avision and I real feel
of what the climate there was. And sure enough, we
were all kind of cautiously optimistic but worried. But sure
enough we're seeing those hostages returned. It's an incredible.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Time he's back home now, and we'll talk to us
as well. Not a lot of local races this year,
but around the country, you've got a couple of governor's
races that are being watched very very closely, Glegg. And
now you've got this attorney general's race in Virginia with
this Democratic candidate texting a Republican I guess these texts
were a couple of years ago, talking about putting two
bullets in his head for crying out loud. Our next

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guest joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more
about this is Deborah Saunders. She is a Washington columnist
for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Deborah, how are you,
and welcome to the Rod in Greg Show. Thanks so
much for joining us.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Deborah, Thank you, Rod I'm thrilled to be here.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Deborah. You talk about you talk about this as as
showing that there's proof of the Charlie Kirk effect. What
do you mean by that, Deborah.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Well, you know Charlie Kirk. When he passed away, I
think there was a when you watched the way every
people reacted to him, and he was someone who liked it.
He was a happy warrior. He liked debating people. He
didn't get personal. He sort of felt like, you know,
he let people on the other side. He gave them
the benefit of the doubt. He figured that they were

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thinking what they thought was correct, and he would talk
to people that way. And so what do I read about?
But this guy j Joes, he's a Democrat, he's running
for a Virginia Attorney General, and he's sort of the
opposite of Charlie Kirk because he in twenty twenty two
was texting a Republican colleague about Todd Gilbert, who was

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the head of the House of Delegates in Virginia, a Republican,
and he wanted to He said that if he had
two bullets and he was with this guy Tom Gilbert
or Hitler, Paul Pott, and he only had two bullets.
Bilbert gets two bullets to the head.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
So you're one hundred percent right. He's the opposite of
a Charlie Kirk. And I my question is, do you
send do you sense that I just see even on
x or any of the social media platforms, the Democrats
messages just sound like scalding and screeching. Meanwhile, there's a humor,
even a sarcasm, but a humor that's happening right of center.
Do you think that the American people are picking this

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up there? Are they seeing that there's a group out
there that are just negative and if you got to
know them, you wouldn't want to know them. Versus the
kind of emotion or even revival you see from a
Charlie Kirk and even his tragic assassination. You're you're seeing
a different side of America.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
I think, yeah, I mean, and I think that people
don't like it when you get that personal and that
what this guy did.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
So he's he's sending texts with a former colleague who's and.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
Again, and he's telling.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Her that he would like to see Tom Gilbert's wife
see her children die, so that she would understand the
consequences of uh, lack of gun control. And he met it.
I mean, you know, and and this uh, this woman
she said to him, Jay stopped and he wouldn't. He

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kept He went on and on, and you know, he's
obviously not the smartest guy in the world or the
nicest because he left a paper trail and basically as
he's running for attorney general. Uh uh, this woman Coinner,
she released these texts. And you know, he's not denying it.

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It's what he what he said was real. He came
out with this, you know, statement about how he felt
badly about it, but you really didn't believe it when.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
You read it. It's pretty amazing on this the regime
media has paid very very little attention to this step.
I mean, someone calculated might maybe ninety three seconds and
all the major news guests. Does that surprise you at all?

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Dever, Well, unfortunately, no it doesn't. But that was the
reason I thought I had to write about this when
I saw this story, is that this is the kind
of story that ought to be getting a lot of coverage,
especially for someone who wants to be a state's top
law man. Right, yes, do you want someone who who
you don't want somebody who just sort of goes off

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and is that volatile and nasty. So I hope that
the polls do show that things are going the way
of Jason Miaris, who is the incumbent Attorney General and Republican,
and I should and I'm not so sure I believe
the polls that were that were showing Jay Jones ahead before.

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As you know, sometimes polls can be can sort of
shave a couple of points off the right. But this
is just a story where it's amazing and you want
to hear a little small world part about this. I
know Todd Gilbert's wife. I covered the White House with her, Oh.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
So you know, and he knew it. Not only did
he know just Jay Jones. Not only did he know her,
be he knew as her children and would speak in
the in the way he did, which makes it I
think more pathological. Let's shift is this having any splash
on the governor gubernatorial race? Because I thought in the
in last week's debate, her inability to say whether she's
still endorsed, it wasn't asking her if she wanted him

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elected or what the people of Virginia should vote, if
they should or should not vote for him. It was
do you still endorse him as a candidate? And she
found every way to answer that question except for being truthful.
Is there is she gaining? Because she looked like she
was a favorite up until this hit? Is she more
vulnerable to be elected to that seat? Now?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I think we lost her, but I think we've got
her back. I think you hung up on her. No,
I didn't hang up on her.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
That was a really good question, I thought. I asked
it succinctly too, which isn't always the case.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
We did not hang up on her. There she goes,
all right, all right, we've got your back?

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Was my question? So off putting? You hung up? Because
I do that sometimes.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
I was intimidated.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Okay, I don't know when you cut up, but I
just how's the governor's race?

Speaker 7 (13:14):
Look?

Speaker 1 (13:14):
How does the governor's race look like this? In light have?
And you know, I thought she did a terrible job
in the in the debate and did not answer the
questions directly whether she still endorsed him for ag Is
it having any effect? Do you believe in that race?

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I think it will so when sum Sayers is of
the Republican candidate really took on Abigail span Burger, the Democrat,
and said you should be taking a position, you should
be telling Jay Jones to get out of the race,
and abig Gail span Burger doesn't want to do that. Now,
when she was asked about it during the debate, she
could have said, well, I don't really want to deal

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with this, so, I mean, she did say something like
everybody can decide to vote how they want, but there's pressure.
This is the kind of story that people are going
to look at. And she didn't really want to answer.
She just sort of stared straight ahead with this little
grin on her face, and she wouldn't say well, I

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don't mind that he said that, or whatever she wanted
to say, but basically you could tell that she felt
this is not I can't win politically by taking a
stand on this, So I'm just going to be moshe
and stand here like I don't know what you know,
Like this isn't really happening to me. And I just
sort of walked into the room and there's this big question,

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but it's not for me.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah. Well, by not answering that question, I think we
pretty well got the answer. She is not going to
not endorse him anymore. Deborah, always great having you on
the show. Thanks for a few minutes of your time
today on a very busy day. Thank you, Deborah, Thank
you all right. Devora Saunders, Washington columnist with the Las
Vegas Review Journal, talking about that Attorney general's raising a right, Greg,

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some of the vile comments that this guy made and
he's getting away with it, and the poll show he
is down, but he still could win this race.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, I'll tell you, the left just can't live with
their own democracy, and they show us who they are accidentally.
But if they wanted to, if they want to stand
with the offenser taking from whether it was you know,
a comedian a criticizing or joking about Puerto Rico and
that was supposed to be the end of the world,
or anything that they want to say about this current
administration in its handling of the border, then you must
have to you have to take what he said a

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lot more serious than they are, and they're not, so
it means that their words really aren't serious.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
More coming up, it is the Monday afternoon edition of
the Rodin Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine an rs let's talk about remember
that accident what more than a month two months now
maybe dead in Florida where the detractor trailer driver pulled
a U turn, Oh yeah, killed three people. Terrible and
come to find out, you know, he's not in the

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country legally, and he hardly spoke English. And it raised
a lot of questions about CDL drivers in this country
and what is taking place.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Great it does, and then you find this recent story.
The name on the commercial driver's license is first name, name,
middle name not last name, given name, not given. Are
you kidding me that? And it had a star on it,
which means that it was like really scrutinized. So well,
when I say really scrutinized, it wasn't. But that's that

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gets the real id mark to it. Name not given,
it's a it's it's really a problem.

Speaker 7 (16:22):
Well.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line now to talk more
about this is Glenn Beaton. He's a columnist at the
Aspen beat Glenn, thank you very much for joining us.
What is going on when it comes to illegals getting
driver's license?

Speaker 7 (16:32):
This isn't the same driver's license that your dad got. Okay,
things are a little different now. I was interested in
this guy, this illegal immigrant from Guyana who wound up
the superintendent of the Des Moines, Iowa school district. And
something that something that caught my eye in this just
kind of a sidelight, was the guy was registered to

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vote in Maryland. Maryland was one of the many states
that he pumped through on his tour of America over
the years. And I wonder, well, how did he get
registered to vote in Maryland? So I looked into it.
It turns out he got registered to vote in Maryland
simply by getting a driver's license in Maryland. Maryland is
one of about a couple dozen states, almost half the states,

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where if you get a driver's license a you don't
have to show that you're legally in the country at all,
no questions asked. So Illegals routine to get driver's license.
But then it gets worse. Once they give you a
driver's license, they automatically register you to vote again with
no proof that you're a citizen whatsoever. So Illegals come

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along and they get a driver's license. You know they're
responsible citizens. Well no, they're not responsible citizens. But anyway,
they get a driver's license. Because you kind of need
to have one when you get pulled over and the
state just automatically registers then to vote, no questions asked.
So that's how he got registered to vote in Maryland.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So now that I'm looking onlines, it looks like there's
one hundred and seventy three million and a little more
registered voters in America. Have we just seen the silver bullet? Glenn?
Is this the only guy that is somehow god has
no standing and legal standing to vote and as a
registered voter and can vote at will? Is this the

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silver bullet? Or does this happen so much we were
bound to hear this story.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
Oh, I'm sure he's the only one.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 7 (18:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I guess so that without the case, how do you
how do you get this out? Because the Democrats will
tell you we want to make it easier and easier,
and this, the ease is what's getting you know, people
like this the ability to vote. And they're saying that
it's already illegal to not to vote if you're not
a legal residence, So you don't need any laws for
that because that's already illegal. Well, if we know it's happening,
and we know it shouldn't be happening, what's what's our response?

Speaker 7 (18:56):
It blows me away, It really does. In fact, it
blows away my Democrat friends. I had to show them
my research and they wouldn't even believe it, but they did,
and it blew them away. They can't believe that this
is the way it works. But this is the way
it works. When illegals come to America, they get driver's
license and they're automatically signed up to vote. That doesn't

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mean they actually do vote. Who knows whether they do
or not. I try to research that, but there, you know,
there's no record kept to that. They don't go to
the voting booth and say are you illegal? Yeah, yeah,
I can't go ahead vote voting booth number three. So
there's no way to know how many actually do vote.
But you have to think that there's quite a few.

(19:39):
I think in answer your question, what do we do about?
I think there needs to be a federal law prohibiting this.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Now.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
Over the years, the states have had a lot of
discretion from the federal government as to the time, place,
and manner of voting. But I think this is subverting
the federal system. You're getting people who are not eighteen
years the old US citizens voting.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know, Glenn, another story that we were taking a
look at today, and this was was it a CDL license?
Is that what it was? And the guy put on
his driver's license his name, no name given.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And they printed that that was a state issued commercial
driver's license, no middle name, name, last name given, no
name given, and that too.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Did you see that?

Speaker 7 (20:28):
That's apparently not unusual? That again, is not a silver bullet.
That apparently is not unusual. You can do that, which
again blows me away, because driver's licenses are supposed to
serve as positive identification for a number of purposes. Right.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, So in the state of Utah we have a
I don't know if this is in the your the
list of states that have it. They call it a
driver privileged card, and and the rationale behind it, and
I don't subscribe to it, but I'm just telling you
what it is is that those that would drive and
be uninsured, this is a way to get insurance so
that you have a driver privilege card. But I even
in a state like Utah where they don't think that

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that's a pathway to be able to vote, are we
taking more are we're picking up more problems with that?
Comm with a driver privilege card, than we're solving by
having a legal identification for someone that's here illegally.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
I think we are. This is accommodating people who are
legal staying in America. We should not be accommodating them
in this way. We ought to be inviting them to leave,
and if they declined the invitation, then we ship them out. Utah,

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you're right, is not one of those states that has
this automatic voting registration issued through the driver's license system.
The DMV Colorado is Utah is not yet.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Final question for you, Sean Duffy is
well aware of the problems with a CDL license and
what's going on there, you know, Trucker's licenses being given
to people who can't even speak English for crying out loud.
Is there enough of a public outcry yet to get
this changed at all, Glenn or is it going to
be a while? Do you feel well, it's going to.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Take some time and it has to happen on the
state level, and that's we can get a federal law
pass that prohibits this automatic voter registration system, and that
seems doubtful. So it's going to take a while. But
I think the tide is turning. There is a broad
backlash against illegal immigration in the country now. It's one

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of the things that Trump has really scored political points on,
and I'm glad he has. It's about time that there
be that backlash.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Glenn Beaton from the Aspen Beat talking about illegals getting
driver's licenses in this country. We have such a thing in.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Utah, we do alert he's going to study. He's looked
at the rest of the country. He's looked at states
do allow for driver's licenses for those that are not
here here legally. He's been working on this and then
the stories just keep breaking in real time that buttress
everything he's saying. So do good love, gun Beaten, and
glad he's able to join us.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
All right, more coming up on the rod In Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Is it I didn't I you know, I keep forgetting
I didn't even realize that party. Sure, Jerry Rice's birthdays today,
former you know, Hall of Famer, former wide receiver for
the San Francisco forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Your birthday at times falls on Friday the thirteenth, doesn't
it has?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I remember one of my birthday parties as a child
was a house.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, that's good place for Yeah, good place for it. Well,
big day. Of course in the Middle leagues, we'll talk
more about that. A lot of you may have been
at work. It did not get caught up on all
the comments being made today. We'll play some of those
for you, and the president's remarks at the Kanesset in
Israel today, they'll come up and we'll get reaction to
that and your reaction to it as well. But speaking
to anniversaries, next July fourth, America will be two hundred

(23:56):
and fifty years old.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh by the way, yes, I know you have something
planned you want to say here.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
No, I was not there for the.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I was like, what was the weather like that? I
mean it was it was okay, it was a little
bit muggy. So here's the thing I want to tell everyone.
I saw a trailer today for a movie that's going
to come out around the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
It's called Young George Washington. I think it's I think
the I think it's Angel Video or Angel Productions.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's making it.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
But it's got it's got a lot of a list
actors in it. Oh cool, Kelsey Grammar. It's got the
guy that played Gondhi. What's his name, Ben Be? He
is in it anyway. It the the trailer gave me chills.
I think it's going to be an amazing movie. It
might make the huge family Fourth of July movie fest
once it goes to streaming. But it looks super good

(24:44):
and they want to make it the number one movie
around the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. It's kind of
the thing they say at the end of the trailer,
show attention.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
To that patriotic The Kennedy Center is bringing a patriotic
new change to concerts at Washington the Performing Arts Center
ahead of the two hundred and fifty birthday. Every performance
this year of the National Symphony Orchestra will begin with
the national.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Anthem, beautiful. I love that It's It's it is, It's
you know, we need it so badly for this country
to come together and really feel like Americans, Land of
the Free, Home of the brave, and we really needed.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
So like that idea. All right, what a day it
was in the Middle East. We'll talk about it and
get your reaction to it. Coming up next on the
Monday afternoon Dish of the Rotten Great Shows stay.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
With us, actually embrace swear bears. I actually think it's uh,
it's fine for me. I feel like that rivalry has
gotten out of hand, and I'd like to see it.
I'd like to see it have the kind of the
tone of the of the Ohio State Michigan, which is
a brutal rivalry. It's there's no one being nice, no

(25:46):
one's hugging it out there. And I don't want a
rivalry that hugs it out. I just find the by
u u of you want to just take on a
life SIT's beyond football. When when Barstool Sports says that,
and this is Dave Portnoer, he's from Michigan who hates
Ohio State, says it's the most brutal and toughest rivalry
in America.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
When he says that compared to Ohio State, Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
That's a Michigan alum saying that the byu Utah one.
We don't hold a candle to that one. That's because
the hatred runs deep. And I literally can't go to
that game anymore because you've kicked out. I don't want
to be touched. Is it too much to say I
don't want to be touched?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I want.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't want to be physically touched, and too many
BYU fans get bullied and they just take it and
I can't handle it.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well, yeah, well it's coming up Saturday night, I think
kick off six fifteen and it's a night game, night game,
big sports show is down there this weekend too.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Oh you know, you know what happens with those youth
fans when you.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Have a night game.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Don't strain themselves into oblivion and the next thing you know,
you know, it's physical.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Don't pick All right, let's talk about the story of
the day and maybe the story of the past over years.
We are one step closer. We have taken a we
have taken a step toward Pete's in the Middle East
today with the signing of the ceasefire, the release of hostages.
What a day this has been. And the President deserves
a lot of the credit, but I want to give
credit to Greg, to people like wit Cough and his

(27:11):
son Jared Kushner did a lot of work on this.
We've got a great story we'll share with you about
those two and what they did. But just think, Greg,
you've been involved in big activities. Donald Trump was here
and you were Speaker of the House at the tents,
everything that goes into staging these events. And this all
happened the end of last week. What was it, Thursday
or Friday. The President said he'll probably go. They had

(27:32):
to invite I think thirty five world leaders to this
peace summit in Egypt today, the appearance before the Kanesset,
that staff deserves a lot of craigit a lot of
credit Greg to put this all together. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Usually you have to give secret service at minimum a week,
do ya to be to be on the ground in
a week and starting to look and understand the you
know where they're going to be, the all the architecture
that the you know, the egress and gressu they need
minimally seven days to get something off the ground. They
did this in less than that. And we're not talking
going somewhere within the United States to do that. That's

(28:07):
going over there at Israel. And then he got on
a plane and went to Egypt. That that's a world tour.
He'll be back to Washington tonight at they say midnight Eastern.
Unbelievable a ride.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Joe Biden could never have done this, Oh no, Joe
Biden could not have hopped on a plane flew to Israel,
then to Egypt, and then back to the United States,
no matter of what twenty four to thirty thirty six,
forty eight hours, he couldn't have done it.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
And we spoke about this. I mean, it was really scary.
It was always scary to think when you don't have
a president that's on top of his game, that really
knows what's going on around like Biden, the people around
him that get to make those powerful decisions which history
will never remember or blame. And remember this is as
much a blame as it is remember because a lot
of presidents will will temper their decision making because they

(28:53):
don't want to be cavalier because history is watching. They
want to really, they want to be a good president.
When you have a guy like Biden who will never
remember or no whether he was good or bad, and
you have people that are in the shadows, they get
to make these decisions. These were very dangerous decisions that
were being made during his presidency, and one that would
have never been made and that Biden didn't have the
faculties to do and that the people around him didn't

(29:14):
care to do, is forge a peace like you're seeing
right now. It was not seen as possible, that was
conventional wisdom. But the strength of will required and the
actual capital that you have to bring to these different
sides where they trust this president and what he is
representing is going to be the case. People are putting
a lot of trust in this man. And it's sad
where the regime media and the Democrats don't trust or

(29:36):
have the worst things to say about Donald Trump. But
the world knits leaders, they do trust this man.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
They do well. Many if you may have had your
date started, on your way to work or at work
by the time the President addressed the Kanesset, so we
wanted to share a few comments. This was his opening
statement to the Kanesset in Israel today, announcing the sea's fire.

Speaker 8 (29:54):
We gather in a day of profound joy, of soaring hope,
of a new faith, and above all, a day to
give our deepest thanks to the Almighty God of Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob. After two harrowing years and darkness and captivity,

(30:16):
twenty courageous hostages are returning to the glorious embrace of
their families. And it is glorious twenty eight more precious,
loved ones are coming home at last to rest in
this sacred soil for all of time, and after so
many years of unceasing war and endless danger, today the

(30:39):
skies are calm, the guns are silent, the sirens are still,
and the sun rises on a holy land that is
finally at peace, a land and a region that will
live God willing in peace for all eternity.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
You know, Greg, just think about the people of Israel.
I've been there, and it is a country. But ever
since that country has created well nineteen forty eight, sanctioned
by the United Nations at that time, what they have
lived under the fear that every one of their neighbors,
one of them wiped off the face of the planet.
And that's an amazing story, it.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Really is, and it's you know again, it's so much
to unpack, but sometimes maybe as we get through this
a little bit longer, will start to feel the weight.
If you don't feel it now, that this is something
that no one really and I'm talking about people that
have spent their lives studying these regions and understanding the
politics and the conflicts that are out there and seeing learning.
If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it.

(31:36):
I would argue, nothing about nothing we know about history
would tell you that this is possible. Nothing I have
never seen anything that has happened historically that would tell
you that you would see celebration in Gaza and at
Tel Aviv and Israel at the same time, and that
you would see these hostages ever returned without something where
Israel would have to demean itself to a level they

(31:57):
were never willing to do, or elevate the Hamas, these
terraces to a position they should never be elevated too.
So I just didn't see how this could be possible.
But here we are.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Here we are Donald Trump, he addressed the Israeli people today,
calling them a proud people.

Speaker 8 (32:13):
For so many families across this land. It has been
years since you've known a single day of true peace.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
But now at.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
Lasts, not only for Israelis, but also for Palestinians and
for many others. For long and painful nightmare is finally over.
And as the dust settles, the smoke phades, the debris
is removed, and the ashes cleaned from the air, the

(32:41):
day that breaks on a region transformed and a beautiful
and much brighter future appears suddenly within your reach.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And he also talked to the gods, the people who
live in Godza and who have been through so much
as well, and the opportunity that now sits before him,
and the.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
Total focus of gods must be on restoring the fundamentals
of stability, safety, dignity, and economic development so they can
finally have the better life that their children really do
deserve after all.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
These decades of Hara.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
I intend to be a partner in this effort in
the sense that we're going to help, and we're going
to do something that became unbelievably popular. Everybody wants to
be on it. It's called the Board.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Of Peace, the Board of Peace, and that will be
an organization that will overseee what has taken place. You
know when he talked about the children, huh, greg, I thought,
and I think this was a couple of years ago.
We played this audio sound bite from a child who
was going to school in Goza at the time, and
I distinctly remember that he was being taught how to
hate and kill Jews. Yes, remember that, I remember some

(33:50):
of those comments. Well, the President spoke to them today.
They may have an opportunity now to learn a skill,
to learn, you know, the things they need to learn
to build their country back and to make CAUs a
beautiful place. The presidents talked about Riviera on the Mediterranean. Yes,
they have a chance to do that, and hopefully this
will give them that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, it is, and I'm going to tell you that again.
It takes an immense amount of trust for these sides
that have never trusted one another. And it's why I
never thought that you would find a moment like this,
because if Jordan is a country, wouldn't let any of
these Palestinians into their country because they are born to
hate from the first the first sentences they're taught are
ones of hate, expressions of hate. They become a very

(34:32):
dangerous population. And so you think, okay, well, if air
nations aren't how in the world is this ever going
to work out?

Speaker 7 (34:38):
Here?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
We are it's working out.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
There are some amazing stories about how this all came together.
We'll share those stories with you plus reaction to this
historic day that's coming up as the Rodd and Gary
Greg show roll along on this Monday afternoon. Let's take
a minute right now and get a reaction. You know,
what's interesting. This is a headline I can't remember from
what website it is today and maybe town Hall that

(34:59):
they ask an interesting question, Greg are Dems shell shocked?
You know what, if you think about it, the top
leaders in the Democratic Party right now have said next
to nothing now about the seatsfire deal today. They don't
know how to respond to this because they couldn't pull
it off. Obama hated Jerusalem, Biden hated Jerusalem. You got

(35:22):
Donald Trump and look what happens.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
And then how about these nauseating neokon never Trumper Republicans
like Bill Crystal, you know, or George Conway. Yeah, all
those guys could ever complain about it is this guy's
are warmonger. You know, the world won't respect us. They
were so into the global geopolitical world. The guy that
got done more than will accomplish more than they ever dreamt.
And they can't give their crickets.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You know what Bill Cristal's talking about today on social media,
the no King's routing. You wouldn't even know this happened
in Bill Crystal's world? What us sell out that guy is?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, let's get some reaction to it. First of all,
We've got some audio an audio sound bite from a
CNN report order. I think see an analyst MSNBC, MSNBC,
and she can't figure out Donald Trump and why he
is being so successful.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
She's thinking out loud here, folks. It is the funniest
thing you'll ever hear. She's just she's just rocked.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
Wonder on Donald Trump? What makes him so different? I've
been trying to figure this out myself, and I wonder
if it's just this, if it's it's if it's the
uneasiness of knowing that he might just walk away and
with it the alliance that you belong, that you might
have believed was strong or immovable. That Donald Trump has

(36:37):
that quality of unpredictability that makes his pressure in this
region different? Is that it?

Speaker 7 (36:46):
Or is it.

Speaker 10 (36:48):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
It?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Is it the unpredictability?

Speaker 7 (36:50):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Is it that he will? You know, there are a
lot of presidents you mentioned some Obama uh By they
tried to bully Israel and say you're gonna stopped doing
this that, and they're like, man, We're going to keep
protecting ourselves. You would think Israel would feel a little
uncertain in the Obama Obama administration certainly in the Biden one.
But it's not that Katie tu it's that they trusted him,

(37:16):
and she can't get her head around that because she's
got Trump de arrangements interest. She doesn't believe it's possible
to trust Trump.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
And she never read Art of the deal because one
of the tenants and art of the Art of the
deal is just have the courage to just walk away.
That's right, and that's what Donald Trump said. I'm just
going to walk away and get out of here. Now
here's another coming. This kind of sums it up. I
think Greg his name is Thomas Hearn. He is I
think a conservative commentator on CNN, But he kind of

(37:45):
ran down today what has happened and how we got
to this point.

Speaker 11 (37:52):
A year ago, almost to the day, Donald Trump was
serving French fries in McDonald's and here we has a
year later, standing astride the world. It's one of the
greatest political comebacks in modern times, and it's having an
effect on the world. You know, I was thinking about
Ronald Reagan says said in his time for choosing speech,
you can have peace tomorrow and you can happen in
a second. Just surrender. This is the opposite. This is

(38:15):
peace through victory. If you think about what has happened
since the October seventh attacks, all three Sinwar brothers killed,
thematire Hamas leader, senior leadership eliminated, hesbla's entire leadership eliminated,
and most of its operatives killed through exploding pageres and
walkie talkies and air strikes. Syrian regime assad is gone,
Iran's greatest ally in the region, which shut down the

(38:37):
arms pipeline from Iran into Gaza.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
And Lebanon in the West Bank, the.

Speaker 11 (38:43):
Iranian entire air defenses and its ballistic missile program destroyed
by Israel, and Operation Midnight Hammer. As President Trump said
to Trey Yank's key factor in this deal, this is
peace through victory, Donald Trump. What Donald Trump did was
the opposite of what Joe Biden did. Joe Biden throttled
weapons to Israel and tried to force them to stop
fighting before victory. They tried to stop them from going

(39:04):
into Rafa, which ended up being in the operation where
they killed Sinhwar. Trump released the weapons and told him
go get them, and when they did, he said, okay,
now you got him. Now we can have peace. He
forced Hamas into a corner. And that's what we're seeing
today is not just peace, it's peace through victory.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I think that pretty well sums it up. Pete through victory.
He forced him into this.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Deal, he did, but you know, he didn't do it
with a I think he did it with charm and
with with with determination, and I think that all of
them concluded they could trust him that certain points of
that deal that he would honor and wouldn't disappear on him.
And I think that's an important part of, you know,
finding common ground.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
What he did today, that's for sure. All Right, Well,
I get some of your comments on this. We've got
some more, you know, behind the scenes stories that are
fascinating on this historic day to day. We'll get to
your calls eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero
your cell phone dial pound two fifteen, say hey rod
in Axios. Also one in the Wall Street Journal about

(40:05):
some of the behind the scenes maneuvering that had to
take place to get this deal done. This is fascinating.
Apparently a direct meeting between Donald Trump's envoyds, which were
Steve Whitkoff and his son in law Jared and Hamas
leaders apparently sealed the deal. They hadn't met together at all. Okay,

(40:26):
they had been meeting through either envoys from Egypt or
turkya guitar, right, but they finally they were requested to meet.
And let me just read a little bit of this
story in Axios today. It said one barrier to the
deal that ha Hamas leaders feared that Israel would resume
the war once the hostages were freed. This is a

(40:47):
this a real issue that Hamas had is you know,
because the hostages were their leverage, and they were really
concerned if they gave them up, in fact, that Israel
would attack Hamas and wipe it off the face of
the earth. So that was one of the issues. In
order to according to the story, I'll just read this
to you, in order to deliver a deal, one of

(41:08):
the sources contended that Witkoff and Kushner had to meet
with Hammas leaders in person and directly assure them that
Donald Trump wouldn't let Israel attack Hamas once the hostages
were gone, all right, as long as the group held
up its side of the deal. Okay, a day earlier,
this would have been on Wednesday. I believe Trump had

(41:30):
privately granted permission for Witkoff and Kushner to meet Hamas
leaders if necessary, to seal the deal. When they met
in the Oval Office before they both both parted for
Egypt that day. So Donald Trump give him his blessing.
He said, Okay, if you guys need to meet with
them personally to get this deal done, let's do it. Okay.

(41:51):
After arriving in Egypt, you know, Turkish mediators were told
about Trump's greenlight. It's a go, It's a go. Wednesday night,
the Guitari mediators came to the villa where Witkoff was
at the four season, said there was a stalemate in
the talks. Okay, they weren't going anywhere, and asked if
the US envoys were ready to meet with Hamas. According

(42:14):
to one of the sources, we think that if you
meet them and shake their hands, there will be a deal.
So they wanted assurances from Witkoff and Jared Kushner. Several
minutes later, can you just set this put this? You
know you were talking about this. Witkoff and Kushner walked

(42:34):
into another villa at the Red Sea Resort. Inside were
the Egyptian and Turkish intelligence chiefs, senior Guitari officials, and
the four most senior Hamas leaders involved in the negotiations.
Woudn't you like to have been a fly on the
wall in that one? Huh? The Hamas leader, who had
survived an Israeli assassination attempt in Doahar three weeks earlier,

(42:59):
was in fact there. Can you believe that the meeting
lasted about forty five minutes. Witkoff told the Hamas officials
the hostages were now more of a liability than an
asset for them. It was time to move on in
the first phase of the deal, bring people home well. Apparently,
the Hamas leader asked if wit coffin Kushner had a

(43:21):
message from Trump. President Trump's message is that you will
be treated fairly, that he will stand behind all twenty
points of his peace plan, and he will make sure
that they are all implemented, including Israel not attacking Gaza
if the hostages are released. Once that was said, the
Hamas leader said, we have a deal. Now you imagine

(43:44):
the history.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I'm listening to you reading that, and anyone it would
sound like, well, that sounds pretty basic, you know, just
go into the other villa or village and you say, hey,
we really mean what we're saying, and that that's that
they would say, yes. Do you know, I can't even
imagine what it would take to get into a room
if you're the if you're the President of the United
States son in law, and you're and you just think

(44:06):
for three seconds, if HAMAS could say they killed Trump's
son in law. Okay, the street cred that HAMAS is
as a terrorist organization would get for being able to
accomplish that, even if they were going to be killed
inside the room doing it. H if you look at
past performance, you would think that would be a big variable.
So even the it seems like it's a natural or

(44:28):
of course I'll go in there and say that, I
don't understand. I think that the security risk or the
risk to their own lives to to, you know, to
do that. I'm sure there was security there, but that
is a mighty gesture to walk into that room with
the top HAMAS leaders, where you know, if you're you're
off soil, you're you're in their world. I mean, I

(44:50):
I think that it took a lot of bravery to
even I mean, you can't get on a zoom. Yeah,
can we do this on teams? I mean, I don't know,
like we really have to be in the same room.
H yeah, you gotta be in the same room there,
I would that seems like there's a that would be dangerous.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah. Well, the bottom line, according to the story, Greg,
was the willingness of Witkoff and Kushner to meet hamas
leaders one on one personally, despite as you just pointed out,
the political risk involved, demonstrated to the group that the
US was serious about getting and enforcing the deal. This
is why when President Trump's envoy gave their world that

(45:26):
the deal will be fully enforced, they believed it.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It's amazing, it is It's there's a lot of trust
going on. There's a lot, a lot to that story
that's deeper than just the simple actions that that that reflects,
because you do have to have a lot, a serious
amount of trust on both sides to even get into
the room with what I would have called animals and
people that were doing such despicable things. What would why
would it be why would you want to allow them

(45:50):
to kill?

Speaker 7 (45:50):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Wit coffee and yeah, Kushner. So I think that good
for them. I think that is an amazing story. And
it's a human story. Really, it's not. It's not all
the beermocrats at the State Department that did all this.
It's it took a human element and that's what got
it done.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, that's what it was. Who was at Marco Rubio
last week said this a human story, This is a
human story. He was recognized today along with wit Coffin Kushner.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
That's right, So yeah, that's right. I don't think we
have time for this clip, but I'd love to hear
from you, our listeners. How are you absorbing this? Is
this just a quick respite between before they get back
to fighting each other? What's I think a lot's been accomplished.
I do think that the hostage is coming back. That's
how everything else is house money. If you can get
those hostages back to their family. I think after that,

(46:38):
I hope that they live up with the rest of
the phases and the deal. But I think you can't
lose by what's been agreed to and execute today. What's
happened today with the prisoner, with the hostages being turned
over is an incredible, incredible victory.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
And don't stop now. All right, more coming up here
on the Rod and Greg Show, and your phone calls
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on the Roding Gregg Show. Let's get to your phone calls.
We talk about the historic day in the Mideast. We

(47:10):
begin in provo with John. John, how are you welcome
to the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 9 (47:16):
Great.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
First of all, I just wanted to wish a happy
birthday to Abby and Greg. We're listening to Abby's accent
all these past few years.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
She's the best. Thank you too, sir, appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Also wanted to ask you if there's any truth to
this rumorer.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
I don't know if it's a rumor, if it's.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
The truth about giving katarif fifteen pilots, Mountain Home Air
Force Base location, and also this releasing the sinwar Who
is the author of the October seventh, if he's been
released as part of this Israeli deal.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I haven't seen details of the deal as of yet. John,
I know three of the others were killed by Israel. Now,
if there's a fourth brother out there. We haven't heard
anything about them, but we know three of them were
taken out by Israel.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
But there is a prisoner release, Yeah, there is a
part of the condition. So the hostages were being released
at twenty alive in none of them.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I hear that number somewhere in that area. Yeah, But
obviously Israel must feel pretty comfortable with this or they
wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
And as far as the Katari base, I've heard the
complaining about that, but I've not seen the original source
material on the base that would be in the United States.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
John would they be trained at Mountain Home Air Force Base,
which is what about forty five minutes outside of Boise,
they'd be trained.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
To actually have a part of the they'd actually have
a part of the base dedicated to training Katari F
fifteen pilots.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I've seen or heard rumor seen some stories, but I
don't really read them. But that wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Well, I'll tell you one thing I know is that
one of the things that Turkey was looking for in
terms of its relationship with the United States is fifteen
planes themselves, and he's wanted to play ball with those
who play ball with him, and so there are some ideals,
even militarily that they're looking at to build their coalition.
Let's go to Rick in Pleasant Grove. Rick, Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (49:15):
Hi, guys, I've got a question for you. I apologize
if it's redundant, but have the two thousand or so
Palestinian prisoners that are going to be released been characterized
at all? Are these civilians that the Israelis just captured
as bargaining chips? Are they known criminals and participants in

(49:36):
the massacre? Are they terrorists?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Do we know?

Speaker 12 (49:39):
Because on paper, you know, giving up nearly three battalions
of jihadis for twenty others doesn't sound like a win
for Israel, do you you know?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Rick? Well, sorry to cut you off. We've got to
get to our top of the hour break, but we'll
dig into that. But they have been really their involvement
in all of this, We don't know if I would
assume that.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
They were bad guys, that they were in jail, and
it is true that there is a prisoner released. What
I gotten believe from that deal is that they wouldn't
have released them if they didn't think the trade was
worth it, and we do know that the United States
is monitoring what's going on with two hundred troops there
to make sure sides stay with the deal. Looks like
it's a deal they can.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Both live with. Yeah, all right, more coming up the
Rod and Greg Show. Can we talk about Columbus Day
for a few minutes while we wait to get our
next guest on the show? Yep, it's Columbus Date today,
right right? Joe Biden declared an Indigenous People Day. I
think I think our wacky mayor in this city has
done that.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I know it's it's not indigenous.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
What is it about Columbus?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Well, what he had he brought some European viruses with him.
They've had a detrimental impact on the Native Americans that
lived here, and it resulted in many of them getting
sick and dying. But I think they were explorers, as
we've had explorers in human history, and I don't think
they were they committed an war crimes or anything that
the narrative now people try to rewrite history and accuse

(51:04):
them of. But there was a there was a downside
to Europeans touching this continent for sure. I mean, I
won't deny it, but it doesn't mean that they were dastardly,
you know, people that were only in it to commit
homicide or genocide. Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
You know, back in what was it, nineteen ninety two
would have been the what five hundredth anniversary you've heard
of him discovering America. He landed in the Muhammas apparently,
But you think about it, Greg, I mean, you know,
America admires people with courage, that's right, and innovators, and
here's this guy. Three ships weren't very big back then,

(51:38):
loads up cruise, you know, doesn't know how long they'll be.
Apparently they were, you know, on the water for about
five weeks. Did they have enough food? Did they have
enough water? They land here? I mean this guy had
courage to do something like.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
That, well somewhere, arguing that the world was still flat.
There's a ledge you might just be falling off of
if you keep going. They thought he was, and they
thought they were going to make it over to the
other side, over in the India or Asia. I thought
they had encountered people from India. That's why the name
Indians still sticks. But they were they were brave, you know, explorers,
This is not a This isn't uncommon. The Vikings did this.

(52:13):
The you know anyone. You look at you look at the
human spirit, and you look at human recorded history, and
we are our species of explorers. We go where they
haven't been. I mean, that's that's just what we are.
And I think that Christopher Columbus is a hero. I
think he's he was brave. He did something that people didn't.
He had to go to a couple you know, Nope,
people wouldn't finance him right away. He had to, you know,

(52:35):
make his case to a couple uh countries before he
found the funding to make that trip. And here we are.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah. Well, the fact that the president, who you know,
believes in tradition and believes in the values that America
holds near and dear. He said, you know, this idea
that Joe Biden had to call it indigenous people, They
we aren't going to do that anymore. He simply called
it Columbus Day. And your what's the TV show Sopranos,

(53:03):
They always recognize your Columbus.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I love the Sopranos, but it's got a bit of
a few swears in it. So I couldn't even find
a good clip where Tony Sopranos, ranting about his son
AJ says, you know, my history teacher says that Columbus
is a war criminal and he committed genocide, and then
Tony Soprano just goes right off and says he was
a cur he is courageous, and this is an attack
and a slur against Italians. Is what you want to

(53:25):
if you want to know the truth of it. Anyway,
they You know, Italian Americans are very proud of Christopher Columbus,
and I think all of us have held the hymn
in high regard until we got to modern times, where
then it was politically incorrect to acknowledge Columbus. So, by
the way, these land acknowledgment things, it's I just find
it rude. I stole your car. I'm driving it. It

(53:45):
drives great. I will acknowledge it used to be yours. Haha. Sorry,
that's what it sounds like to me. I don't unless
you're ready to give it back. I don't know what
you're acknowledging. It's like, I just don't know that that's
a genuine acknowledgment. I'm not giving anything back, but I
did take it from you.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, Well, there, you know, there's not, Unfortunately, Greg, I
don't think there is a ground swell of support to
go back to Columbus Day. I think, but most Americans
look at go now, this is Columbus Day, and they
still think about Columbus Day. I don't think there are
that many people go, Hey, it's Indigenous People Day today,
let's celebrate. I don't do that. There's not this ground

(54:21):
swell of support, unfortunately, because I think it should be
reverted back to calling it Columbus.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Day, to be honest with you, and I hate maybe
I shouldn't admit this. I didn't know it wasn't called
Columbus Day. I know that some people like to call
it Indigenous People Day, but I have never looked at
this because it always falls. It's not always on the thirteenth.
Sometimes it's on the twelfth.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Well, on Monday, the day is the twelfth, isn't I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
So all I know is that it falls close to
my birthday. So I've always been aware of this holiday
and I've always I just I think of it as
Columbus Day. I don't think of it as anything else,
So they can't change my mind.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Well, he's from Italy. Genoa, Italy is where he came from.
Like I said, it took him five weeks to get here,
and he didn't get here, he didn't know where he was.
He landed on apparently in the Bahamas, that's right, and
he thought that was the main line. And he thought
those were Indians. He thought people from India or who
he was encountering. Wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
And but you know, again, the rest is history, right,
I mean, we have what five thousand years of recorded
human history and it got better as we got you know,
for the long bit, but it was. It was a
remarkable moment and it's the world has been shaped by
that that ever since. I mean, I mean, I know
leif Ericson, I know the whole story from up north,
and but I'm just telling you this is that we

(55:37):
we are who we are because of the explorers like
Christopher Columbus.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Then you've got this, you know, we were talking about
Columbus Day, Indigenous People Day. Have you ever been to
Stone Mountain in Georgia? I have not, Neil. This apparently
a big monument to the Confederate soldiers. Okay, they're trying
to change it. Surprise, who's they historians.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Again, I don't understand history is kind of history. You're
not supposed to change it. You're supposed to learn from it,
you be informed by it. Changing it seems to be
I don't know how you call yourself a historian and
want to change history a good point. It seems to
be self defeating.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, they want to present a more balanced view of
what the Civil War was all about. They don't want
to honor Confederate soldiers. They want to give a more
balanced view. Whatever that means.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Well, yeah, it means blather is what it means. I
means you gotta you can't. You can't take you know,
history from the lens of today's perspective. You got to
you gotta narrate it as closely to the time and
the motivations of when that occurred.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, well, we'll take a quick break, come back with
our guests. We've been able to reach Mike McKenna. He'll
join us coming up right here on the Rod and
Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n rs. Up until now have not talked about
the shutdown. There are bigger news. There is bigger news
out there.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
There is and Democrats don't want to end the shutdown here.
There's a big rally coming up they're excited about. So
I don't know what, you.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Know, what to mega this right now? Right well, joining
us on our any our newsmaker line to talk more
about this is Mike McKenna. Michael is a columnist at
The Washington Times a political strategist as well. Mike, thanks
for joining us. Thanks for waiting before we talk about
this shutdown. Michael, I've got to ask you about the
events of the day in the Mid East. What's your
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 13 (57:23):
You know, I think, like I think everyone else, that it's, uh,
it's certainly better than the alternative, right, And I think
the other thing that that hasn't been reported on enough
is it kind of builds on the natural momentum of
the Abraham Accords, you know, which which fundamentally was like, hey,
economic integration is probably more important than political integration because

(57:44):
it will lead ultimately to political integration. And then I'm
not you know, Jared Kushner had that, had that idea,
and Donald Trump had that idea, and I think it's
this is sort of the same line, and I think
that's why it's more likely to work and more likely
to work than what we've seen before.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Uh, you know, I I agree, I think again, I
think it's it's been incredibly strong. Uh the leadership exhibited
by the president. Hey, let's move to this to the
kabuki theater. I like that you're calling up that because
I do think it's political kabuki theater. What is the
what do you think the prospects are that the reasonable
minds will come together, they'll open up the government and

(58:21):
there'll be some negotiations. Has been signaled after but you've
got to open up the government. Anything like that do
you think is on the horizon or going to happen soon?

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (58:30):
I don't think soon, right, And that's the tricky part.
I mean, everybody knows that it's going to happen eventually,
and everybody sort of has a feel what the outline
is going to be. But everyone is sort of playing
to the to the audience, right, it's not uh so
you know, until until somebody, until somebody in the audience
starts booing, everyone's going to keep doing what they're doing.
And it's it has it has a very strong vibe

(58:52):
of kabuki because we know, we know it's going to end,
and we know how it's going to end, and we
know that everyone's going to get their back pay, and
you know, it's it's we've seen this show like ten
times before.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Yeah, Mike, who's going to blink? The Republicans are the Democrats?

Speaker 7 (59:08):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (59:08):
I gotta think the right answer is is that it's
probably gonna be the Democrats. But I think the other
thing that's sort of essential to this is we're not
gonna have a deal with that President Trump. Right, He's
gonna he's gonna have to he's gonna have to sit
down and say, look, here's what we're gonna do, and
here's what we're not gonna do, and everyone's gonna sign
on to it.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Right.

Speaker 13 (59:29):
And I think that's gonna happen in the next ten days, right.
I think I don't think it's gonna last too much
longer into the into this, you know, into the next
fiscal you're the fiscal year we're in now.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Well, the word on the street is that they got
a big No King's rally that they all want to
be shut down for so they can really you know,
saber rattle for that over the weekend, the Democrats. But
I do I agree with you. It's gonna take President
Trump's leadership. Now. He has said that we we'll sit
down and we'll talk to them about a c A.
But some some have suggest that it wouldn't be just

(01:00:01):
a simple, you know, just increasing the baseline and just
giving them what they want, but maybe a reform and
not Obamacare in and of itself. Do you think there's
any hope that if they open up the government go
back with the CR that the ensuing negotiations would be
to address the healthcare issues but not Obamacare as we
know it now.

Speaker 13 (01:00:21):
Yeah, I think that's right. I think you know, everybody've
used these premium tax credits as I don't want to
say egregious, but egregious, right, I mean they are, they're
clearly out of bounds.

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 13 (01:00:34):
Tricky thing, Yeah, tricky thing is Republicans have never actually
won an Affordable Care Act vote, so everyone's kind of
you know, it's it's it's a little bit of a
theoretical exercise. The other thing is I expect that what's
going to happen is the rest of the you know,
the the four or five weeks that we're going to
need to get me over to the next, you know,

(01:00:55):
the continued resolution for FY twenty six and the tax
credits and F y twenty six appropriations probably at this
point are all going to get negotiated together, which kind
of makes me think we're looking at middle November's a couple,
you know, a couple three four weeks from now, not
ten days from that kind of thing that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, it doesn't, Mike. How much pain do you think
the American people will feel before this gets done?

Speaker 13 (01:01:23):
Am I a bad person if I say none?

Speaker 9 (01:01:25):
You know?

Speaker 13 (01:01:27):
I mean the reality of it is, the federal government
continues to spend money during these during these shutdowns, right,
eighty percent of the money still going out the door.
You know, Grandma's not missing a check, and nobody's really
missing any check. So I think, you know, you I mean,
tell me, maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong, But I suspect
Salt Lake City was a peaceful place where everybody observed

(01:01:48):
the law. Today, right, I mean, it wasn't, you know,
it wasn't It hasn't evolved into anarchy and mayhem. And
you know, I think people sort of get to get
the joke here, right, I'm not I'm not sure the
politicians to get the joke, but I think the voters
get the joke.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You know what, we got a national park.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
I heard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I just heard his secondhand. I don't if it's one
hundred percent true, but someone said they went were down
at our Science National Park, and you're saying they're getting
them free because it's the goverment shutdown. The gates not closed.
Everybody's just loving it. They're not paying any mission, they're
just coming right in.

Speaker 13 (01:02:16):
So and that's the kind of anarchy you can love right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
That well, Michael is always just great chatting with you. Man.
We appreciate a few minutes of your time, and thanks
for holding Mike, do you bet?

Speaker 13 (01:02:29):
I appreciate you for put it together.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Thank you all right, Michael McKenna. He's a columnist at
the Washington Times, also a political strategist. Talking about the shutdown,
I'm not impacted by My guess is you probably aren't either.
But there are people in the state who could be
impacted by what. I haven't heard about flights yet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
There's a curve, Okay, I think at first that no
one really is, but I think the longer it goes,
you'll start to see, you'll start to feel it. Somewhere.
I think our travel with the air traffic controllers would
probably be one of the places you really feel it.
But I think it'll start to spread out the longer
they're shut down. I think you can avoid it for
a while, but I do think there's a that at

(01:03:07):
some point they have to They're going to have to
pay the piper. So we'll see, we'll see what happens.
But I most of what Michael says I agree with.
I don't know that it'll stay eighty percent or almost uninterrupted.
I don't know how they can do that. They can
do it for a while, they can bridge it, but
at some point they're going to have to come to
that agreement. And this is the first time where I
feel like the American people understand that the Democrats are

(01:03:28):
the ones that decided to shut this down, and that
usually it doesn't matter, it's always the Republican's fault. I
think people are starting to understand that Democrats could just
stick with the status quo while they negotiate, and they
don't want to. They want to get there's just so
many recordings of them saying opposite of what they're arguing today,
it's hard for them to get their way out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Well, how silly is it? And I think we agree
that they're really holding off things until after this No
King's event again this weekend. Apparently there's going to be
one here in Salt Lake City. We know what happened
last time, homicide. Yeah, I wonder if there'll be more security.
But how silly you know that holding off for that
event on Saturday, to me is as silly as the

(01:04:10):
nude bike ride in Portland this weekend to protest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
That's disgusting. How are you how bicycles? You can't put
two things together that would disgust me more than the
people who have no business being that's that's in decent exposure.
That should be against the law of Portland. Bicycles not
important like a stomach pump, just rolling down the street.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
How silly is that Americans are looking at that? And
good well, that is the stupidest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
What a bunch of clowns.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
What a bunch of clowns. Same thing with this No
Kings event, What a bunch of clowns. If the Democrats
wait till after, then say, you know, we probably should
start doing something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Especially in a time where now we're seeing peace in
the Middle East. The man is becoming a world leader
and helping helping this planet be a safer place. And
they're saying, we don't want to king, We don't want
to king. It's like we don't have one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Do you really hate what this guy is doing right now?
He's doing some good things and no help from you either, Yeah, Democrats?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, thanks guys. All right, more coming up here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs. I'm
Rod Arkeev'm citizen Greg Hughes. You know I've been looking
forward to Zugu with our next guest. We spoke with him.
What was it last Thursday? Friday? Can remember which day
may have been Friday? Amos Gira. He is a University
of Utah law professor, but as also a part time

(01:05:23):
resident of the State of Israel. He was there when
everything went down the other day, but now was the
big day in Israel. He has flown back to the
United States, back here in Salt Lake City, joining us
on our newsmaker line to talk about the events of
the day. Amos, how are you welcome back to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Amos, what do you think of the events of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
So it's complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
On the one hand, it's absolutely overwhelming that the twenty
living ata were indeed released and returned to their families
who've been waiting for two years one week for this
unnatural moment, So that's extraordinary. The consulting issue is that

(01:06:09):
Hamas was supposed to this part of the deal return
to twenty eight killed hostages, the bodies they killed hostages,
and two dates they have returned I think four six,
and that's a violation of the agreement. We have been
told on Saturday that two of the families have been

(01:06:32):
told of their loved ones. Bodies will not be returned.
But there's a difference between two and the simple maths
and twenty. So this is a violation.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
And how this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Violation will play out in the coming days is there
going to be an issue particularly is Obviously President Trump
and others want to move forward to Stage two of
this agreement, but for many Israelis, whether from the right
or the left, this issue process is a significant one
because it's not our first going around with one killed

(01:07:07):
through the kiss.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Not being returned, and in this case, it's a clear
violation of the agreement. So that's why I had the
one hand overwhelming for the twenty for I mean all
of us to have this behind us. But for the
twenty ish families, this is going to be an issue.
And where it will get complicated politically is for the

(01:07:30):
right wing, which is very much opposed to this deal.
This will give justification to them for pressuring that'sanyaw not
to be a full participant, whatever that means, because Trump
has so minimized him. But this will give food for
fodder for the extreme right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Amos, We appreciate you being on the show because that
information that you shared. I had not heard that before.
My big fear was of the twenty that we're claimed
to be alive. We may find out the sad fact
that they were not. What would do they were alive
and I'm glad because I thought maybe they would they
would try to deceive or say they were more alive.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Than this was known.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Yeah, So what would be the motivator? I'm trying to
think if you if you can return all the live
hostages still alive, what would be the What's what's the
leverage of having those that have been deceased and returning
those remains what's what I mean. I I agree with you,
it's not a done deal till that's done. But what
do they gain by not doing that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
Excellent question. So, first of all, of the two who
we were told again, I'm sorry that or which day
is Saturday Sunday?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Well your jet lag? Do you have every right to
be mixed up on your days?

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Logistically, there's going to be a problem with some of
the bodies because of the rumble and God as a
result of the bombing of the past two years. That's
that's the explanation for those two. The explanation for the
twenty ish. I don't know if it's a reflection of
internal conflict within come off, if it's a matter of
the Qatar and or Egypt and or Turkey needs to

(01:09:01):
exercise greater pressure on them. You know, it's a really
really good question, particularly because, as I say, President Trump,
given the conference, the meeting today in charm Chef, to
which Prime Mister Nathaniao was not invited, coolly wants to
move forward quickly, as quickly as possible, whatever that means. Also,

(01:09:21):
and it is incredibly complicated negotiation that awaits all of us.
But the failure to return I was unnecessary the play version.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, yeah, And I thought you made this point a
second ago. I thought it was really interesting that Netanyahu
was not with the president today in Egypt. I think
that said something there. We had a question from a
caller earlier, Amos, maybe you can help answer this one.
The caller asked about the Palestinians who were being released
by the Israelis. Who these people are, if there's any

(01:09:53):
concern among the Israeli people that they're being released. To
your thoughts on.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
This, sure the person of all full disclosure, I've been
call prisoner released in the past. Yes, and when I
was serving, the idea of I was called in and
prisoner release. And there's a various criteria and generally, but
again everything now is such an exception. Generally what we
call in Hebrew convicted terrace's blood on their hands have

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not been released. But but but for every rule, there's
an exception. The prisoners who have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Been will be released, have been released.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Many of them have been convicted of very serious crimes.
The best example it's called the lynch or the lynching.
I'm embarrassed to tell you, I don't over the year
that two or three Israeli soldiers who were driving made
a mistake in the road. They ended up in.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Ramaala and they were literally it's called the lynch because
they were murdered.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Yes, as a horrible hope of her. And there's a
famous picture of the murderers with their blood on his hands,
showing their blood to the crowd the hue gro there
he was released. The family members of the killed soldiers
say said the other day, as awful as it is
that he was released for the sake of releasing living hostages,

(01:11:13):
they can live with that, which is extraordinary for the
right wing in Israel. The releasing of Palestine prisoners, convicted
prisoners with blood on their hands is in polite English
is an anesthema. But you know, it's trade, it's it's
it's not I want to emphasize, it's not the first
time we've released convicted prisoners with you know, quote unquote

(01:11:36):
with blood on their hands. Maybe the most famous one,
there's been a lot with about him. His name was
Samir Kuntar, who was involved in a terroist attack in
the seventies, killing of a child. And we said we
never ever released Samir Kantar. Of course we did. And
then he was subsequently killed in a target of killing
in Lebanon. But it's part of the way this works,

(01:11:59):
maybe for for those those people who don't live and
I'm going to lease. This notion of this negotiation and
releasing prisoners might is complicated, But is the way this works.
Not a very articular answer, but that is that's just
the risk, just the reality.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
So, amos, we're speaking with a University of Utah law professor. Uh.
And you were over there when we last spoke. You
were at hostage Square in Tel Aviv. And now you're
and so you you do you are jet lagged and
you and you should be better. My question is this
you're bringing information that I have not heard. We've we've
seen a lot of celebration about these hostages that have
been returned alive. Uh. But but the holding back of

(01:12:36):
the remains being twenty ish Uh. Do you think that
that that we just that they just got what they're
going to get and that deal is done in the
eyes of uh you know Hamas or or is it
going to do you? Are you optimistic that they that
the remains of what they are, what they have by
way of remains, will be returned what's your prediction.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
It's a two part it's a two part answer. Those
who are unfindable because of the rumble, you know, the
reality of the past two years. I don't want to
say I understand it, but I understand that. Yeah, the
those who are find the bull or should have been found,
that's not to be an issue because remember that in Judaism,

(01:13:20):
whether you're a sickular or Jew like me, or a
religious Jew, which I'm not, this is what we call
in Hebrew kvalty, which means to be buried in Israel
is it's a real it's a real thing. And remember
that that in Judy we have something called the Shiva,
the morning period. Families can't sit the Shiva of the
morning period until there's a burial, which means that families
can't yet officially mourn their children or their loved ones.

(01:13:44):
That is an issue. I just can't. You can't just
snap your fingers inside that goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, as you're right in the
Deseret News, and I would encourage people to take a
look at your article because you raise a lot of
very very interesting questions that need to be answered. And
we'll see what happens in the coming months and years.
Amos is always glad you're back home, safe and sound.
Thanks for joining us and your insight into this. Thank you,
thank you, all right, all right, bye bye. On our newsmaker,

(01:14:13):
Lion Amiskiora. He is a University of Utah law professor,
also a part time resident, lives about half the year
there and israelso really has a great understanding of that
country and talking about everything that's going on. He raises
so many questions in this article. It's a you know,
this is the first step in a long series of steps.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
And my attitude given what we know about this relationship
going backwards as far as we do. All I want
to know is that the people that were alive, and
I thought that they that those that had been deceased,
would have actually been the easier part to deliver. But
you know, but delivering those hostages to me, we were
That's all. That's all I cared. I mean, I didn't
know if you could get any more complicated than that,

(01:14:53):
but that was the thing, because that was their one
leverage point that they had, and if they give that
all up, I think that whatever happened from there on,
I mean, we might be disappointed, but getting those hostages
back seem to be the biggest win we could hope for.
And that's it seems like we're more than halfway there.
But there's more work to be done on that front.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
I wonder Greg too, how much pressure and how much
effort is going to be made to find the remains
of the hostages that are deceased.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Well, if this becomes more understood there that this deal
has not been followed, I think Trump, President Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
We'll step in and we'll get it done.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
We'll need He needs to be seen as expecting them
to keep their deal. It could. It could if if
you don't, you give the other side all the reason
to pull me if the deal's not honored the way
it was articulated. So should be Yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Right, more coming up final segment of the Riding Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one All five nine.
kN arrests. Big day for Charlie Kirk's family tomorrow. It
is his birthday tomorrow. Oh yeah, he would have He
would have been thirty two tomorrow, But the President and
an event planned at the White House. The President will
award him posthumously the Presidential Medal of freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
He came so close to having Murray Osmond's birthday and
my birthday, in Nancy Kerrigan's birthday and Martath Thatcher's birthday.
Jerry Jones' birthday came real close any way. Yeah, he'll
be all celebrated together, by the way. Yes, Elizabeth Warren,
you know she doesn't want to leave the whole piece
thing unmentioned because she knows that that's bad too, So

(01:16:23):
she posts for two excruciating years. I've called for the
return of the hostages brutally kidnapped on October seventh and
held in Gaza. That's her statement. So she's called for it,
So it's taking you a while to like listen to her.

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Well, our Vice President Jady Vance writes back, and this
is so funny. The President told me he did this
on Indigenous People's Day in honor of you. I think
the I think the Republicans, when people right of center
just owned the humor and sarcasm of the of the
of social media and we're not scalding and yelling and

(01:16:55):
being so bitter. I think it's absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, speaking of JD Vance, did you you see the
takedown of JD with George, I guess last night or yesterday,
but what that was?

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
That was a disgrace.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Well, we've asked an audio from this, but good to
set it up, George delved into this question about Tom
Holman and bribe that he allegedly took. That's the question. Well, uh,
he asked JD Vance continually to answer that question. JD refused,
and then he decided to lower the boom on good

(01:17:29):
old George.

Speaker 14 (01:17:30):
Here's George, why fewer and fewer people watch your program
and why you're losing credibility because you're talking for now
five minutes with the Vice President of the United States
about this story regarding Tom Holme and a story that
I've read about, but I don't even know the video
that you're talking about. Meanwhile, low income women can't get
food because the Democrats and Chuck Schumer have shut down

(01:17:51):
the government.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Right now, we're trying to.

Speaker 14 (01:17:53):
Figure out how to pay our troops because Chuck Schumer
has shut down the government. You were focused on a
bogus story. You're in su waiting criminal wrongdoing against a
guy who has done nothing wrong, instead of focusing on
the fact that our country is struggling because our government's
shut down. Let's talk about the real issues, George. I
think the American people would benefit much more from that

(01:18:14):
than from you going down some weird left wing rabbit
hole where the facts clearly show that Tom Holman didn't
engage in any criminal wrongdoing.

Speaker 10 (01:18:22):
It's not a weird left wing rabbit hole. I didn't
insinuate anything. I asked you whether Tom Holman accepted fifty
thousand dollars as was hard on an audio tape recorded
by the FBI in September twenty twenty four, and you
did not answer the question.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Thank you for your time this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
No, I said that I build up next. We'll be
right back. Well, did you see how the cut him off?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
And I think the first time he's done that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
It isn't Why does he even go on that stupid
school with George?

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
You know, I think he comports himself. Well, he can
actually expose him. It's great for clips like ours that
we can play it and when they do it, but
there is no respect from a guy like Stephanopoulos, and
he isn't used to and the media is not used
to someone pushing certainly Democrat or repotions pushing bashing that
rightfully he did. He played that same stunt when he
put up another false hypothetical for for a JD. Van

(01:19:06):
Stamps during the campaign. Yes, and and he tried to
answer like, of course he'll follow the Supreme Court, He'll
follow judges. They're trying to he was George was trying
to apply imply that he would, you know, violate the
constitution and go against judges' orders. He said he wouldn't
do it anyway, he says, he starts to get after
him for these these hypotheticals and aren't real, and he goes,
we're going to a break and cuts them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Off, got them off. Way to do it. Huh, I
love it all right. That doesn't look for us tonight,
Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your families.
This great country of ours is a queen bee sayking
out for dinner tonight for a birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
I think she'd bring it in. But my some of
my favorite food is a waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Oh that sounds good. Happy birthday, to see you tomorrow.

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