The Rod and Greg Show: Congressman Kennedy Tours El Salvadoran Prison; Trump Plan to Overhaul Endangered Species Act

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's like winter time. It's like, I think it's three
degrees outside. So I've got a winter cap on, I
got a hoodie on, and I'm I'm still cold.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You know, we try and hold down cost in this building,
but it's not that cold in.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
This No, it's freezing. It's just free the whole, all
the holes. While that friend's freezing. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm so over it. Well, you just heard Chad say,
by the weekend, it's going to warm up.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I guess what day. Today's Thursday. I'm not in the weekend.
I'm trying to survive. I'm trying to I'm trying. I
got my body heat. I'm in. I'm in the fetal position.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Get you a little heat warms, a little heater, and
you're so annoying this weather. Yeah, I'll tell you what.
You leave a window open, let it go down to
zero degrees and you sleep, and I'm I'm in the
I'm in under my blankets. I can't even get out
our call. You don't know this. I'm telling everyone live.
When we did our show, I was under the covers
in my bed. I had not even rolled my head out.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
He looked like he was under the covers.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah. See, I just my voice. I was just that
phone was ringing. I wasn't moving a muscle. I was frozen,
so stupid. It's great to be with you today here
on the Rod and Greg Show. We've got a lot
to talk about. Our prayers and thoughts go out to
the people of Florida State University. Two people are dead,
I think six others injured in this Campaig shooting. Unfortunately,
the son of a sheriff's deputy there in Florida is

(01:16):
the person responsible for this, and Abbey, of course, is
keeping track of that all day. We'll talk about that.
Mike Kennedy. Congressman Mike Kennedy gave you a shout out today.
Earlier today send you a text. Apparently he's been down
in El Salvador and has taken a look at that
notorious prison down there. Ladies and gentlemen, you'll want to
be around for this interview. This will be his first
public statements about his trip and his tour down there.

(01:39):
And I having been having served with now Congressman Mike
Kennedy in our state House, this guy is the real deal.
He is an incredible public servant. He's been a family physician,
and he's an attorney. He's just got a great mind
for so many different things. He understands issues very well.
It will be so. And he didn't give me any
hint on what his conclusions were, other than to say,

(01:59):
I just got back and I haven't talked about I'd
love to come on the show and let your listeners
here first. So I think that's it. That's a big deal,
and I'm really interested in hearing his observations.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
He'll be joining us in just about fifteen minutes, and
we invite you to stay tuned. Also, coming up, we'll
talk about the uh Abrego Garcia Cade. We'll get you
the latest done that. We'll talk about boy, the Trump administration.
They're going after everything now. Apparently in the coming weeks
they will unveil a new plan to change the Endangered

(02:28):
Species Act. This has been a burr under the settle
of Donald Trump for a long long time. I mean
it involves building. You can't build anything, You can't do
anything in this country because of the Endangered Species Act
in many cases, and remember the little fish called the
delta smelt. Yes, you got after that because of the
California far what about the spot it out that ended

(02:49):
all off and you know in Oregon and Washington State.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
So that now Chris Matthews thinks it only would in
trees grow in Canada.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, apparently so apparently so, so we'll get into that
as well. And of course we always invite you to
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All right? A lot to get to today, But I
think this may be one of the most significant stories

(04:08):
because it could have such long term effects. Greg But
the Supreme Court has now agreed to hear oral arguments
whether Donald Trump can implement a birthright citizenship plan.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yes, and it's early. I mean this is they're going
to hear this earlier than they typically fifteenth here cases
before the Supreme Court, so they have prioritized this one. OK.
I'm just going to take this posture with this Supreme
Court right now. Even though we're a six six justices
appointed by Republicans, three justices appointed by a Democrat president.

(04:41):
I don't think you're going to see what I would
think would be the favorable ruling from this Supreme Court,
either on this or some other issues. Because I have
a jaundiced eye towards Chief Justice Roberts and now Amy
Cony Barrett. Justice Barrett. I'm disappointed, but I want to
be wrong. I want to be wrong with all my heart.
So I hope I'm wrong on this and that there's

(05:04):
some good positive outcomes from all the law fair that
makes its way to the Supreme Court. But I don't.
I just think they're that they're not, And I think
they take this posture uniquely and only for Donald Trump
in this Republican presidency. If it were Biden attempting to
do anything, they would be fine with it. They wouldn't
want to interrupt a president and his agenda.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It impact the Roberts Court legacy, and that's what he's
so concerned about. The application, By the way, it doesn't
address the legal issues around birthright citizenship, but only whether
judges have the authority to put a hold across the
entire country on what Trump is trying to do. So
there's the constitutional or not, it's more on the it's

(05:46):
more on the district judges. Yet, claiming that an injunction
is a nationwide.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Injunction, well that, oh well, maybe I have a little
more hope for that. But if it has the effect
of if it has the effect of enforcing that until
that issue can be heard, maybe they won't do it, but.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Still a significant ruling that they would even bother to
hear this on such a short notice. And like I said,
I think the oral arguments are on May fifteenth, and
then of course the court will wrap up its session
at the end of June, and probably you shoot some
sort of ruling in this regard. It'll be interesting to
see what happened, all right, abrego Garcia.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
What a clown this guy. Every single day we come
to you, folks, there's yet another, you know, another body
of evidence that shows that that the Democrats fall on
the sword for this M thirteen gang member is again
just so so wrong, wrong on every shot.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, I think no one understands what the Democrats are
doing and why there Why you know, I thought as
this all started, Greg, that they would look for a victim, okay,
as a result of what Donald, Yeah, I remember this,
But I thought, Greg, they'd find a family that was
torn apart, or a mom being ripped away from herchan children,
or children being sent back. Not this guy, because this

(07:04):
is not your model citizen that you want to defend.
So I don't get it, and a lot of people
are wondering that. I mean, let's what brit Hume said
on Fox News yesterday about what the Democrats are doing.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
The courts are dealing with the question of whether he
should have been put there and whether he should be
brought back for due process or whatever. But in political terms,
it's hard for me to imagine that many Americans will
look at this guy and think he's a sympathetic victim.
The administration has put forward a lot of information about
the likelihood he was a gang member and a dangerous
one at that, and that he'd apparently beaten his wife

(07:37):
and so on, and uh so, I guess what we
think these Democrats think is that they're that they are
looking at a mandate from their most activist constituents to
resist and fight and fight and fight, and so they're
picking they're taking whatever opportunities to fight that they can.
I'm not sure they're choosing them very wise.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
No, I don't think they are either. As a matter
of fact, Greg, the more you see what the Democratic
Party is doing nowadays, Greg, this is all about victims.
You know. They are the Democratic Party of victims, and
that's what they're trying to do. Here's the latest poland,
by the way, the polling shows that the American people.
I think it's like seventy nine or eighty percent of

(08:16):
the American people are behind Donald Trump's efforts to deeport
illegal aliens. Yes, I mean it's huge. Here's Harry Enton.
I mean the data nerd over CNN.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
The data is how exciting is I don't know how
he still has a job at CNN. He gets so
wound up about this. I love it.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
But listen to this.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Why is Trump focusing on immigration? Let me just tell you,
this is where Trump wants to focus pretty pretty pleased with.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
A cherry on top.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Why is that?

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Look at Trump's net approval rating on immigration. Compare where
we are now. Compare where we were at this point
in this first term and his first term. He was
underwater at minus twel points. Look at where he is today.
He's actually above order. This is one of his strongest
issues at plus one points and more than that on
the net approval. The net approval for him on this
issue has stayed steady in the positive.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
This is an area where Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
Wants to focus because the bottom line is, this is
an area in which the American people, at least the
bare majority of him, seem to like.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
What he's doing. He said he'd focus on it. He
has focused on it, and the American people are responding
Greg and say, we like what he's doing. So I'm not.
I don't know where the Democrats are coming from on
this one.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, you know this is you know, this character that
they all want to talk about it. He's the gift
that just keeps getting.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Getting more information we've found out about it.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
It turns out, yeah, it turns out that he was
pulled over and in twenty twenty two, he was pulled
over in Tennessee with a with a vehicle full of
suspected illegal immuvements. They asked what he was doing or
I'm taking them somewhere. But the officer that was rescumed'
or that was pulling him over, there was no luggage.

(09:48):
It was forwarded to look like smuggling and trafficking. It
was forwarded to the Department of Homeland Security. We don't
know whether the Biden administration let it fall through the cracks,
but even the car he was driving what he did known,
turns out is a car registered to someone who's in
an active investigation for smuggling people across the border and
into the United States. This guy, in addition to being

(10:09):
a wife bearer an MS thirteen violent gang member, he
is a human trafficker. I mean, come on, it's just yeah. Please, Democrats,
keep fighting for this guy. This is the guy. Forget
all your constituents, forget all the victims of these crimes.
Keep fighting for this guy. That makes all the sense
in the world.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
It's your model citizen. All right. When we come back,
we'll talk with a member of Utah's congressions allegation that
has visited that infamous prison in Il Salvador. That's coming
up next right here on The Rodden Greg Show and
Talk Radio one O five to nine knrs. Have you
ever heard the name of Peachy Keenan No, she's a
well known conservative influencer. She posted this the Democrats top

(10:48):
four heroes in America right now? Okay? Number one a
murderer named Luigi.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Number two a murderer named Carmelo. That's the kid who
stabbed the kid down in Dallas, right. Number three and
MS thirteen illegal gang member. Yes, And number four a
Palestinian Jama supporter. Those are the four heroes of the
Democrats and the posters.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Children of the Democrats and where they're heading right now. Okay,
So joining us on our program is my friend, former
colleague and now Congressman for Utah. Here Mike Kennedy joining us.
Welcome to the show. Congressman.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Good afternoon, my friends.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
How you two doing. We're doing well, Thank you, Mike.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Okay, now we'd on the street, little bird. It told
me that you might have been going through some traveling,
you might have seen some things, and you might be
joining us on the program to return and report. Maybe
you could share with our audience what it is that
where you've been and what you have seen.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
In five days, I went to Brazil, I went to Panama,
and my last day was in El Salvador at the
Seacop prison. So I was inside the prison. Greg, You
and I know that representatives are more important than senators.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
The prison the day before, on Tuesday and on Wednesday,
the US senator was denied access to the same thing
that seven representatives are seat because we are.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Actually the more important part of the one.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Thank you so much. They are the old and slow,
they are the house of lords. They he had no
business being there, Plus he was there to free the guys.
He probably had like a cake with a key in it,
you know when he went to gar See. I'm so
that was I know, that wasn't what you were there for.
What did so? Tell me? What what prompted you to go?
And what is it that you were looking at and
seeing and what kind of questions? Just what's the take

(12:30):
back that you'd like to share. I'm so curious he is.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
It was shocking to see the circumstances that these people
are in. The reality behind this is that this individual,
that this Garcia fellow that was deported has strong affiliations
with MS thirteen gang as well as done crimes in
our country, use here illegally. And one of the things
that we see as President Trump and in this case,

(12:54):
the president of L Salvadore hit hard when it comes
to illegal aliens as well as illegal activity, and that
man was swept up and brought to L Salbador and
President Bukelly, the president of El Salvador, is not going
to release him. So in this case, unless the Democrats
are going to send down an armed force to invade
that country to try to free an illegal alien, to

(13:16):
bring him back to this country, then he's going to
stand in that prison. So what I saw in that prison,
each cell has eighty individuals, and I was three stories
three bedside. These are concrete beds that these individuals are in,
and in this warehouse style building. There were on left
side and right side. Estimated five to ten. I'll have

(13:38):
to count them up. I've got some pictures that actually
helped me to see that. I haven't analyzed those yet.
Five to ten on either side of these cells that
have eighty individuals in them. And it was you and
I Greg have seen a lot of things, Rod. I
know you've seen a lot of things as well. But
those men should be any any criminals out there in
the country of El Salvador and even in the United

(14:00):
States of America to be shaking in their boots at
the possibility they'd be brought to that prison, because it
is the last place I'd want to spend any time in.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Congressman, From what I've seen on videos so far, it
appears it is very well organized and security is extremely
tight there, especially for these individuals that you saw. Would
you agree with that? I mean to me, it's seen
very well organized and security is very tight.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Each cell that we walked by, there was not a
peep from any one of those individuals. And there are
eighty of them in each one, and they were all
wearing white linen shirts and shorts. They get out of
those cells for thirty minutes each day to do cal senix.
They read the Bible to them. These men have no
access to radio, television, no phone calls, no visits. They

(14:45):
do not leave that building for the rest of their lives.
There is no death penalty in Al Salvador, and they
will not leave that building until they go out and
in death. And it was one of those things, and
that most of them are young. They looked relatively young,
and it was one of those things that these men
are actually in a living grade.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
On some level.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, it sounds like that that form of incarceration
could actually have a chilling effect on lawlessness. It might
be a disincentive for people to break the law, if
that's what they're waiting for. Talk to me about. We
have a president and administration that has done a phenomenal
job on the border in terms of apprehensions and illegal
crossings at the border. Now we're down to ninety nine

(15:24):
percent down from where it was before. That suggests that
we're going to have a capacity issue where we're going
to deport There's going to be a lot of deportations.
What's the capacity of that jail? Like, do you see
this as a long term relationship with Al Salvador? Seeing
that prison eighty people in a cell and I don't
know how big those cells were, but is there room
to grow? I mean, how long can this partnership with

(15:45):
El Salvador last for deporting those that need to be
deported out of America?

Speaker 6 (15:51):
Get this, Greg, They built a facility big enough to
house forty thousand individuals and they did it in seven months.
In seven months, the United States of America, we can't
even get NEPA studies done now. And let's ask how
much the Utah State Prison costs when it comes to that.
I and how much time it took to do that, Greg.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I know you're yes, no, but it was brain damage yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
Oh yeah to even start that process. And the security
is tight. They have twenty five thousand more spaces in there,
and I asked them, what are you going to do?
I mean, there's no death penalty there and they're only
going out if they die. So in that case, what
do you do when you exceed capacity? And he said
that the director of the prison, who has taken us around,
he said that they would the leadership would deal with that.

(16:36):
But I'm sure down there in El Salvador that they
could just build another prison. Here's a key part that
I want all your listeners and you to gather from
this as well. Is El Salvador was one of the
most dangerous countries, and certainly in Central and South America.
It's not the entire world.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
They had a death rate.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
The State Department before this trip gave us a review
of the country and the homicide rate was thirty nine
out of one hundred thousand people, which is outstanding the high.
It's terribly high. And in three years that's gone down
to one point nine per one hundred thousand people. You're
talking of fifteen times improvement in the death homicidal rates

(17:14):
in El Salvador. It's now one of the safest countries
in the Western hemisphere, if not the entire world. And
so Greg, you and I heard all the time, and Rod,
I know you've heard this too, is that punishment is
not a deterrent to these criminals. Death penalty is not
a deterrent as far as I can tell, in El Salvador,
the gangs are fleeing that country because not one of

(17:34):
them wants to be in that prison. It is one
of the harshest environments that I've ever seen, and I've
seen a few things in my life.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Well, well, Congressman, great chatting with you. Thanks for sharing
that information. Marvel unbelievable trip.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, what great. You know hands on eyewitness account of
what you're seeing down there. I actually don't even want
to speed home tonight. I don't want to break a
law just knowing that place is down there. I don't
know how they'd find me to put me there, but
I'm not doing anything. I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna stay
right in that speed limit.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Now, all right. Thanks, that's couverers from Mike Kennedy sharing
his thoughts on what's going on in a prison. You know,
one of the issues that the Sibrago Garcia claims is
that if he went back to L Salvador, he would
be killed by this, uh, this gang called Barrio eighteen. Right, Yes, Well,
guess what the administration says under the leadership, the new

(18:22):
leadership in L Salvador, that gang has pretty well been
wiped out, so that's not an argument Garcia can make anymore.
All Right, Moore, coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine k NRS.
I'm wearing a light setter. E Ray earlier had a
T shirt on it. He's put a hood. It's not
that cold.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
It's freezing. It's absolutely freezing, and it's just out of
the end of what's the date, it's the seventeenth. It's
just done. We're done here. Okay, global warming, let's go.
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I'm already when you show up in July and August
you're complaining it's too much.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I like them.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'll let you have it.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I love the way.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah I do too as well. All Right, we've been
talking a lot about what are the Democrats doing barking
up this tree about immigration? Paul after Paul Gregg shows
that the American people like what Donald Trump is doing
on the immigration issue, and they really support deepporting illegal immigrants. Yes,
go figure, Yeah he does well. The Democrats, of course,
are you know who was it? Who's the guy from

(19:20):
Maryland who went to Van Holland the Senator He went
out that was a show. Corey Booker apparently is headed
down there as well. I don't know why, but why
are the Democrats doing this? Joining us on our Newsmaker
line right now is Con Carroll, commentary editor at the
Washington Examiner. He wrote about this con great to have
you on the show. What are the Democrats doing and
why are they doing this when it comes to the

(19:41):
immigration issue.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Well, you have to say the Democratic mindset and that
they view the world through oppressor and a pressed list,
and they're always looking for a martyr to be the oppressed.
And so in this case you have Abergo Garcia, who
there portraying as a Maryland devoted father, who is the
press here, and of course the oppressor is of course
Donald Trump. And they just can't resist this narrative. It's

(20:02):
how they knew everything. And that's why you have Senator
Van Holland down there now, and I believe Court Booker
is going down there this weekend.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
There's so much in this story that the Democrats are
leaving out. Obviously they're doing this for convenience, right, con.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
Yeah, Look, so they claim that he's a Maryland father,
some of them who claim he's a legal resident, and
none of that is true by his lawyer's own admission,
he's an illegal immigrant who crossed some time in twenty
eleven twenty twelve, and then in twenty nineteen he deed
after three hearings before immigration judges to be deportable to
literally any in the country in the world. But Alhalidore

(20:40):
Now Democrats say that if this makes him a legal resident,
but they're just long. I mean, as Tessa's reporters have
lawyers have admitted in filing, he can be deported to
literally any country in the world, but Alsalidor that doesn't
make him a legal resident.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, con what about this claim that he sought asylum
but he did so several years after he came into
the country illegally, and aren't you supposed to do that
almost within a year, And that this gang he was
so afraid of in l Salvador has pretty well been
wiped out by the new administration down there.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
Yeah, absolutely so. He didn't claim asylum until after he
got arrested along with two other NS thirteen members outside
of the Home depot, and so it was only when
he was under deportation proceedings that he claimed asylum. But
by that time is asylum claim has been time bard. Now,
what he did claim is that the separate game, this
Burrios eighteen was harassing his mother's papoosa shot. And he

(21:35):
claims that he can't go back to Al Saladoor because
if he did this, Barrios eighteen would persecute him. But
as you just mentioned, the president of Al Salidor, with
bu Kelly, has basically won his war on not only
MS thirteen but A, but also Barrios eighteen. So this
is no longer really a factor. So the White House
will claim that, Look, even if they were to take

(21:58):
Aberga Garcia back, they would never be released back to
Maryland because they will hold him into tention until they
were able to get an immigration judge to say that
burials a team no longer exists. He has no fear
of going back.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
How about these politicians like you mentioned Van Holland you mentioned,
I think Corey Booker maybe headed down there. To me,
it's almost a comedic show anymore. I mean, they're going
to get him out of prison. I mean it obviously
is grandstanding. What are they are they hoping to raise
some money out of this? Van Holland may be doing
so already. What do they hope to achieve by going
down there and saying, well, they won't let us talk

(22:32):
to him.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
Well, I don't know if you remember, but Corey Booker
had a big twenty four hour speech where he broke
the record.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
For the long Yeah oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Just two weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
Now, was he fill orbuster or anything. No, there was
no legislation on the Florida stup, so he wasn't even
stopping anything. He was just making a show to make
a show. And so in this case, you actually have something.
They're fighting for the release of agro Garcia, even though
it's never going to happen. At least gives them an
opportunity to show that they're fighting Trump and give them

(23:03):
opportunity so that there's a part of this narrative is
fighting Trump in some way even though they're not really going.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
To do anything.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Con do they even look at the polls from their
one of their friendly networks on talking about CNN and
Harry Enton had a poll the other day showing that
a very large majority of Americans support the President in
his effort to deport illegal aliens in this country. Yet
the Democrats seem to be running counterclockwise to what even
one of their own networks is telling him.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
See, the problem is that there is even larger and
stronger network of open borders groups that have their own
polling that they say shows that that Americans do not
want to deport people that have been here for longer
than four years. And so that's why they're in say
aberbu Garcia, who's here since twenty eleven. They feel that
he is a victim enough because he's been here long enough,
he's married and has kids, et cetera. Of course they

(23:53):
leave out the part where his wife had restraining interg
against him. They leave that part out, but they're trying
to find someone synpathetic that they could say, look, Trump's
going over the line here and he needs to be stopped.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Final question for you, Conn has always a great pleasure
in chatting with you. Where do you see this going
right now? Any guests?

Speaker 7 (24:14):
I believe it goes nowhere. Look, I mean, the althalbare
in government has no reason to respond to Van Holland,
and they haven't. They have no respond to Booker and
they haven't. It really is a foreign policy question, right,
so you have the Supreme Court say that, look, the
Trump administration has to quote unquote facilitate Garcia's release, but

(24:36):
they don't have to effectuate it with the district courts
judge's term that the Supreme Court rejected. So, you know,
outside of Trump saying you know, hey, can you release
him and you kelly them saying no, courts can't really
force them to do more because ultimately, this guy is
not in American custody. He's in Alfalvadoran custody, and there's

(24:56):
only so much courts forced the Trump adminstration.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Con Carol with a Washington And examiner joining out a
sun Or Newsmaker line. I agree with Connor. I think
the story goes nowhere. I mean, where else is this?
He's not coming back, No, he's not coming back.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
In his home of origin. You've got to bring back
an illegal who's been an MS thirteen gang member, has
caught with wads of cash and drugs on him, and
then you find out he's he's got a history of
domestic vions, beating his wife, a serial wife beater, and
then you find out that he got pulled over and
he's been smuggling human beings up from Mexico, up from
Texas up to here. There's no version of life where

(25:32):
that guy's coming back here. I don't think so ol
Savador doesn't want to send him back, and we don't
want them back.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
More coming up Thursday edition of the Rod and Greg
Show on Talk Radio, Want Oh five, die Knas.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I need this weather to break, Rod, I need it
to get warmer. I just need it. It's a mental
health issue. Is there some liberal cause? Is there some
liberal organization will make me a designated victim because I'm
freezing to death?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
You could say, now you're a victim called the Democratic
Party and say you're a victim of the cold weather,
and now you speak out and fight for you.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Can I be a pre protected class now that I'm freezing?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
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you probably can.

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Speaker 2 (26:39):
Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Acossio Cortes. Yes, right, they're out
there saying we're fighting for the common man.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Nothing. Nothing speaks more to fighting the oligarchy than from
first class sip of mimosas. You know, that is fighting
the man, right there.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
We you know, we've you know, we're fight the rich.
We're fighting against the ball, or in maybe this case
is the woman. Yeah, you know, we can't stand it anymore.
You know, spending is out of out of whack, right, yes, well.
A report according to campaign expenditures this reviewed by the
Washington Free Bacon, shows that Sanders' main campaign committee, Friends

(27:18):
of Burning Sanders, spent two hundred and twenty one thousand
dollars chartering private jets during the first quarter of twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Wow, would you fight an oligarchy but on your private jet?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Duh.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
That's how you fight the bat, That's how you fight
the man, That's how you fight the wealth the wealthy.
You know, the money to class, take your private jet
and go to war. Right there?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Boy, what a contrast you know here you have all
his socialist rhetoric. Yes, and yet he's a millionaire and
spending like.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
A millionaire, multi millionaire. This guy, this guy's daddy Warbucks,
socialist fighting oligarchy.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Okay, I got a beef with the president. Oh you ready?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
He says prices are coming down?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Well, yeah, but this is a Utah think d Yeah,
I think we're on a lag.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Triple A. Just put out seeds and increase Utah gas
prices rising. Well, if price are going down around the country,
why are they going up here?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Queen Bee told me, because she's heard me say we're
on a lag. She goes, if that goes back up,
and we never go down, before we go back up,
I have held a pay So the better they bear
come down at some point.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, they said they're going back up. Matter of fact,
let me see if I can get this.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
You can't go back up before we've ever seen the
price here go down.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Soa like city is more like three thirty a gallon?
What is that all about?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, our gas should at least be like our weather.
It should just drop like a rock. You know, the
temperature and the gas.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm writing for the days of two dollars a gallon.
I should be waiting a while. Maybe come on, I'm hoping. Yeah,
they can hope. All right, A lot more to get
to on this Thursday. We invite you to stay with
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Speaker 1 (29:05):
Do the Easter bunny still come to? They hop into
the Rockuet home.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
With seven grandchildren will be there on Sunday. I guarantee you.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
That they have to look for eggs or is it
just all playing a basket e gun? Nice?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, very nice? Yeah, and there are some eggs where
there's a little.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Chichinen nice breaking out the dough.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Grandma breaks out everything for Easter.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Let me tell you something sounds like there's a bunch
of free market you know, free cap good capitalists.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Grand my grandchildren. What do they ask for every time
Grandpa you got any money?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
There you go? You see that's the American dream right there?
Would you like a toy? Would you like a truck?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Now?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
You just give me the cash, I'll decide to do
it the next.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
We aren't there yet, but they are getting older.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, now look, folks, we have you know we we
we just want to give given. When it hurts, we
give more. That's how. That's just that's just our mantra.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
Here.

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So we have these Lagoon tickets. Okay, it's a four pack.
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Do you want to join the Easter Bunny, you want
to stroll through the Bunny Boulevard and you want to

(30:16):
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get to go through and stroll through the Bunny Boulevard,
gather Easter eggs, you name it. You get to do
it with these with this four pack, family, four pack
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Last last yesterday, man, in record time, we asked what
was the nickname that our first guest in the four

(30:38):
o'clock hour wanted to go by? And I think he
said it was like less than thirty seconds. We had
callers at knew the answer to win. Yes, this question
might be a little tougher.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Maybe it is, Maybe it doesn't. I think our listeners
are smart, they're tracking it. First hour, we interviewed Congressman
Mike Kennedy. He just got back from a tour. He
went and toward that giant prison and now Salvador, and
he came back with his observations of what he saw
there and the situation. He mentioned to us the capacity

(31:11):
of that prison, because we said how long can the
dream stay alive? How many prisoners can they send down there?
The question, folks, for you is what is the capacity
of the prison in Ol Salvador that Congressman Kennedy toured.
He named the number, he named a capacity amount.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
It's a large too.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yes. So if you direct you go to at Rodd
and Gregg show on X the X page and you
have don't do it publicly, don't post, don't call the
phone number, and don't post it publicly. But if you
do a direct message on our X page at Rotten
Greg Show, and you share what the what the capacity
is of prisoners, that the that that prison and l

(31:50):
Salvador can hold. Well, then you have yourself a four
pack of tickets to Lagoon and and all that comes
with it.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
So all they do is have to go to the
to our post on X and it's at no.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You go to our page show page. Yeah yeah, and
then you and you direct message.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Passage and put that number in there and you could
win those tickets. El sad because called us yesterday. You
can't call us a call. This is a and by
the way, you can't. You got to be a follower
that goes out saying. But I just want to make
sure you know if you follow the page, that's this
is all in the family here. This is for audience members.

(32:31):
And with the if you're in the audience, you you
are a follower of the of our of our page.
So this is for our audience. So if you got
to follow the page as well, all right. I came
across this, uh, I got thinking about this and I
saw this article the other day, Greg, and I want
to talk about that, maybe talk with our listeners about
that tonight, there's an article who's written by Scott McKay.

(32:52):
We may have Scott on the show tomorrow, but his
whole theme is this. So I want to see if
you agree or disagree with me, and then I'll back
this up with what Greg Gutfeld sat on The Five yesterday.
Do Democrats hate the American people? And by standing up
for certain things that they know the American people do
not go along with, do they beg us to hate

(33:13):
them as well? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
You do?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Democrats take you know, I mean, look at it. They're
behind Garcia. Okay, yes, they're no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I'm thirteen violent gang member.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know this kid who stabbed another kid down in Dallas?
Yes the heart, Yeah, yeah, in his heart. By the way,
they raised an unbelievable amount of money on a GoFundMe page.
You know what the kid did, him and his family
moved into an eight hundred thousand dollars home.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
What.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, they use that money to move into an eight
hundred thousand dollars home. Yeah, And he was released on
bail because he said he couldn't afford it. Yet his
family using the money from that GoFundMe page or whatever
they did moving into an eight hundred thousand dollars home
a community in Frisco, Texas, which ain't cheap by the
way down there.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Oh, that's just disturbingab a kid in the heart, the
kid dies, and you get monetarily rewarded.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
The Democrats are fighting tooth and nail in Maine to
allow young men to go into a girl's bathroom and
strip naked so they can compete in sports.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yep, that's so. This is about the Mangoni.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Aready forgot?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
They think he's a hero, a man of his wife
and kids. They think he's a hero.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah. Taylor Lorenz, the former Washington Post reporter, said in an
interview the other day, he's a morally perfect man.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah. So I just think, see.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Where I'm going with this?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I want to I want to let let our audience,
our great listeners hear what Gottfeld said last night, because
he was talking about the Democratic Party, and boy, I
think he hit the nail on the head. He talks
about the party and he talks about the media. Let's
do what he said.

Speaker 10 (34:55):
How long are you going to put up with this
crap where they lead.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
You down a path for a political reason?

Speaker 10 (35:01):
And you find out you're in Quicksand what is more
repulsive to me is how the media still thinks it
can decide what your priorities are, what people in the
world you should care about.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
They plant this.

Speaker 10 (35:16):
Idea of this one man in your head and say, why.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Don't you care about them?

Speaker 10 (35:20):
This is after they ignored illegals coming in crime in
every city, suffering of young women pushed in front of
subway trains, raped and murdered.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
You wanted George Floyd, this.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
Guy, go for it, Go for it because you know
how that turned out, right, you saw the autopsy.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
You didn't care about that.

Speaker 10 (35:39):
All this is scoring symbolic virtue points that Democrats pick
and choose their victims based on how it helps them
politically and how it can be exploited for public sentiment.
But every person at home, you know, the concentric circles
of caring you, your family, your friends, your neighbors, your community.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Creep from Al Salvador. He can't jump that line. This
is a border that he can't cross.

Speaker 10 (36:06):
And every time the Libs try to cross that border
into your house, you have to fight back.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
See, I think he's so spun on because what the
Democratic Party does Greg in my opinion, and I'd like
get our see if our listeners agree or not. They
guilt you into feeling sorry for these people. If you
don't feel sorry for the Garcia guy, what's wrong with you?
If you don't feel sorry for Luigi Mangioni who killed
a man who is a father. You know he's a

(36:33):
morally strong person, Luigi. Okay. If you don't feel sorry
for these these two or three trans men who just
want to compete against girls because they can't compete against men,
then what's wrong with you? So they make you feel guilty,
and they wonder why. At times Americans every day, common sense,

(36:55):
fair minded Americans look at the Democrats and say, what
on earth are you up to? You want us to
hate you?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah? Now, look here, here's here's they don't know. I'm
so tired of hearing about how you know the threats
of democracy is the Republicans, and the Republicans they you
know that they're I mean, remember my Orchis was saying
that if you if you own guns and you go
to church and you were a veteran of the military,
that you fit the profile of a domestic terrorist. Oh,

(37:23):
if you go to your school board member as an
angry parent or what's going on. I will tell you
that in my life experience I have I have been
around political violence only twice. Once was at the twenty
seventeen inauguration of President Trump in Washington, d C. And
that's where I saw plate glasses, windows smashed out. I saw,
we saw first my first it was actually represented Mike

(37:46):
Noel back then face to face encounter with a masked
ANTIFA guy. That was in seventeen. He wasn't back and
down by the way, that rancher wasn't moving anywhere, but
we saw. I saw real violence, political violence. And then
the in may or it may as may and here
in Salt Lake City where they came up and they
spray painted the state capitol and they turned over that

(38:06):
police car upside down in Salt Lake City. Uh. You know,
I'm not saying that there has never been any political
violence committed on the right. But what I will say
is in my journey in life, I have only confronted
this personally. Where I've been around it with the Democrats
and the leftists, and where I see it in mass
when we report on our news the Tesla takedown, you

(38:27):
name it, it is always, uh, the violence is always
on the side of the left. Now you've got this kid.
He's a PhD student, Okay, this little little mousey kid
that I love it. I don't want to. I don't
want to have it. He wants to. He has a
PhD doctorate thesis that an essay he calls when we
must kill them, literally, when we must kill them, and
when it calls for lethal force against Trump, his administration,

(38:50):
and presumably his supporters. Now, this Nicholas Decker kid, if
you see him, this kid couldn't bust a grape in
a fruit fight. Okay, I'm just going to tell you
this kid is about as weak as you get. Okay.
He is absolutely advocating for and justifying violence against Donald Trump,
his administration, and those that would support Donald Trump. And
he does it with a straight face. He's made it.

(39:11):
It's his essay, uh, you know, for his thesis. So
if you look at this kid, it's just like all
of them. They what they really want is they want
to gin other people up to commit violence. This kid's
not going to be committing a violence. This kid doesn't
have a He wouldn't be able to do it if
he wanted to this one I'm looking at. But that's
what he wants to do. He wants to, he wants to,
you know, wants to instigate it. Well, that's just the Democrats,

(39:34):
that's just that's that's them. That is what that movement
has become. It's what it. They only know how to destroy.
They don't have any interest in building.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, you're you're a victim and you don't and if
you don't feel sorry for that victim, then you aren't
a human being. You aren't in America. And that's what
the Democrats say. So no wonder people like you and
I and a lot of our listeners look at the
Democrats and say, you just want me to hate you
because of the stands you take on things eight eight
eight five seven o eight zero one zero triple eight

(40:03):
five seven o eight zero one zero or I'm your
cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod,
we'll get to your calls. Coming up right here. On
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine Knight, we're talking
about the Democratic Party today, Greg And you know I've
said before I grew up in a Democratic family. But
that was the Democratic Party of Harry Truman and John Kennedy.

(40:23):
I don't think my father would be a Democrat today,
though I have a brother who i'd have been out there,
you know. But I have never seen the Democratic The
Democratic Party has always been the party of fighting for
the working class Americans, middle class Americans, and that's changed
over the years. The Republicans have been able to adopt
that and the Democratic Party is the party of the elites.

(40:48):
But I've never seen the party like they are now,
greg where they're standing up for these people that we
talked about, man Gione Garcia, you know, transmit, I've never
seen him like this before. And I think it is
now a battle between the Democratic Party and ordinary Americans
like you and me and our great listeners out there.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
And I have a theory to it. This is my theory.
I think that when we saw Republicans that can Republican
candidates for president, they could win the electoral college, but
not win the popular vote. And you saw that the
popular vote was going to the Democratic candidate time and
time again. Yeah, I think there was a little bit
of a wind in the sales of these leftists, these

(41:28):
extreme leftists, where they imagined that they now have the
popular vote in hand. But what they where they keep
getting set back, if they get set back, is in
this electoral college. And if you go to those states,
those swing states, whether they're Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, whether it's now
North Carolina is a close state. But you look at
the states that were in play, Arizona, Nevada, they're saying, Man,

(41:53):
I can count up to fifty thousand just in that
one can if I could have just spiked the vote
in that in that swing state, we win the elect
or college as well.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Well.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
No better way to do that than despike illegal entry
of ten million plus. I've seen numbers. We've said ten million.
I've seen numbers higher than that of people that come
into this country illegally. They start issuing them. As Doges
pointed out social Security cards, which you can in some
states at their elections offices. If you have a Social
Security number and you have certain identification you're able to get,

(42:25):
you can get it, you can make you can fraudulently
vote if you want to. And there's examples of it happening,
and they found it with those social Security numbers. Doges
found it in large number. So I think the reason
why you're seeing them on a battle cry and on
their last breath, almost every trying to stop the deportation

(42:46):
of all these people is this was their ace in
their hands. They don't care about the rest of us,
and they haven't. And what they're saying is, you cannot
take our four year absolute explosion of illegal immigans because
they'll vote Democratic as we let them in for free
and we didn't make them go through any process. We'll
have generations and generations of Democrat votes like we do
in California, and that's how we win the electoral College. Finally,

(43:06):
what they weren't planning on was Trump winning and seeing
this deportation happen. So why is that issue more important
than any others, even though seventy percent of Americans don't
want to happen anymore, Because that was the one where
it was never going to matter again what the everyday
Americans thought, because they brought too many people in to
cancel their votes. That's what I think they wanted. That's
what I think they still want. They put a lot

(43:28):
of effort into this ten plus million people here illegally well,
and so they're hanging on to it.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Their priorities are so out of whack, and I don't
know how they turn it around. I mean their priorities,
Like you just brought up illegal immigration defending you know
they were and I said this weeks ago, and I
repeated earlier today. They were looking for one person who
was deported incorrectly, or the sad story of a Maryland father,
a loving father who by the way, beats his wife.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yes, you smuggles humans from Texas up.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
And and everything else. What's interesting is they're not trying
to figure out how to pivot. They I think they
made a mistake to Oh, they sure did. They won't
admit it, no, but they made The American people are
going and you want to bring this guy back into
the country. Really, that's not the America that ordinary Americans
are looking at that and that's exactly what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
It's indefensible. And but what here's when you have a
judge that says the five hundred thousand people that they
got to just use the word asylum and then they
got a five year court date in the future. But
come on in until you have that five year court date.
When a judge rules that you have to have individual
court cases, immigration cases for all five hundred individually five
hundred thousand people. You've just kicked out. Those people won't move.

(44:41):
That's ten years. That's ten years of cases. That's so
what they're trying to do is they're trying to find examples.
They're trying to say that it's illegal. They're actually pivoting away.
I've got a clip here from CNN where they're trying
to pivot away from this guy because he's no longer
defensible to say, you know, you're looking at the micro,
we're looking at the macro. He's just one of many
that we should be looking at that aren't that are
not given due process. Due process is a is a

(45:04):
code for slow bake. Let's get out of this committent
because I'll tell you what the idea that another Republican
president would be this strong and this you know, forthright
and getting the deportations up and running. Good luck finding them.
I hope we have them. But they know they got
four years of him, of Trump pulling out all the
stops to have these deportations happen. If they can get
judges and they can get a process, that just slow

(45:25):
bakes it all all it down. And so that's why
they're this is the hill. They want to fight on.
That's why they've decided to make this issue what it is,
even though seventy percent of Americans are looking around going seriously,
are you kidding? These are this is? These are their
future voters. They fully expect them to vote here soon.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Good point. All right, we've got more of your calls,
your comments on this eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o eight
zero one zero. It's the Democratic Party and their priorities
against ordinary Americans like many of you, your thoughts eight
eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero. We'll
get to your calls and comments coming up the Rotten
Greg Show. Can I just share with you social media

(46:03):
posts from is it normi? Utah, Yes, yeah, Poppy Time
a fairly popular guy. A lot of people follow he
or she. We don't know who it is? I think
you do.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
I actually don't. You don't know who it is?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Well, this's what he said, because it goes right along
with what you're saying, Greg, about ten and a half
million illegals in this country. They right, The Biden and
DEM's plan was always to overwhelm the system and create
chaos and make his ten million illegals de facto to
permanent by default, the Biden plan is working perfectly. The

(46:36):
plan relies on hyperventilating Sims and the media to stop
all efforts to reverse his harms. I think it goes
right along. This is a democratic plan that has been
played out time and time again. Greg, they come up
with this plan, they overwhelm the system. It needs fixing,
and nobody is willing to fix.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
So are my critic. And he's really up set with me.
He thinks you were great on a show before I
came in and ruined it. Says that I am just
completely ignoring all concepts of due process with this. This
MS thirteen gang member that's been deported, that he was
deported without due process. Everyone in the United States is
entitled or afford due process. To my to this observation,

(47:21):
I'd like to ask, how much due process do you
want the guy to have? He had two deportation hearings
where he was withheld bail because there was enough evidence
to show that he was an associated, known member of
the MS thirteen gang. And okay, this is prior to
held he had a deportation ordered gun actually basically twice.
But you didn't have this alien, Uh, what's the act

(47:42):
that that they're invoking now the one yes, Yeah, so
that wasn't So he gets the Deportation Act twice? He
does it does he does have a good attorney that says, look,
he might get killed if he goes back to his
home of origin. So he got to deport him. And
that's not a question, it's just where. So you talk
about process, the guy got it, and the judge deemed
in two different hearings he had to go. If I

(48:04):
look at some more due process, this guy's got a
lot of due process going on. He's got two separate
domestic violence adjudicated cases where he has and I've read
his wife's written statement that was online about what he's
done to her and the videos and the pictures she
has of it. So due process. The guy has been
also restraining orders. He's gone through a due process in

(48:25):
terms of his domestic violence. Then he gets pulled over
in Tennessee without a license that's valid and with a
bunch of people in the vehicle he's driving okay. He
gets cited for speeding or driving recklessly, which is what
he's pulled over for. But the law enforcement officer is
not a member of he's not a member of ICE.
He doesn't do any of this, but he reports it.
And in that report he has put into the Homeland

(48:46):
Securities Alert System for all evidence pointing to human trafficking.
A vehicle full of people, no luggage, you know, nothing
like that, acting like he didn't know English when he did.
They look up the They look up the registration of
this vehicle. This vehicle is already in an active investigation
of human trafficking. Of picking up people in Texas and

(49:09):
bringing them up north sounds like a lot, a lot
of due process to me. Now, when you put the
Aliens Enemy Act in place, where these Ms thirteen gang
members are committing violence organized crime against Americans, so is
the Trendeo Ragua Great Gang. This gives them every right
to get these people out of here. Now. If this

(49:31):
guy wants to die on the sword and say no, no, no,
this person needs more and more due process. What he's
saying to you is of the ten million people that
came over, if enough adjudication of this one individual who
is their poster child is not enough, and there is
at least I've just rattled off at least eight different
interactions with courts and judges and decisions about this person,
and investigations as well as court cases. If that's not

(49:54):
enough for this guy, think of all the ten million
that they have in here. This guy that's writing us,
he wants every single one of these people brought over
illegally to stay for the thirty thousand years it would
take for this kind of due process to work its
way through this thing. When we used to argue rot
about about illegal immigration, we never talked about the organized
grant gangs that were trafficking drugs in human beings. We

(50:16):
were talking about the cold, huddled masses. As we found
that these people that are coming up here are this organized,
have this organize of a criminal enterprise, and we even
see it in Utah. The criminal organizations that have been
found and caught that are illegal immigrants, illegal aliens that
are here. They still keep the same mantra that they
had back in the nineties that these are just poor

(50:37):
immigrants coming across.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Seeking a better life in America to live the American dream.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I will say, finally, this guy says that that that
your show is awt better than I was here because
of this, Well, I've become so radical and that I
don't know and that I'm that I'm acting. I'm just
clickbaiting and putting things I don't understand they aren't true.
I fact check what I put out here. Okay, well,
we talk about I look for the sources. I look
to see that it's true. But I will say this,

(51:02):
I've been on the clock sixteen years. I was a
public servant. Okay, I've been in the arena. I've learned
a few things along the way. I want keyboard Warrior
Brandon here to tell me what's he done to know
what's what's what I'm talking about the due process. He
thinks he knows you can talk like that. But I'm
telling you that when I come on the show, I

(51:22):
come with a well of experience of public policy and
in all in public service. I'm not your cheap, you know,
retail clickbait guy.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
So well, my question is Greg following up on boy
You're saying, is it radical to think that people who
are in this country illegally, okay, illegally have constitutional rights?
Because I don't think they do. That's just my opinion.
Why who is somebody here not as a guest, I
mean even on a guest visa, but just coming into

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the country illegally. What kind of rights do they have?
Brett Tolman told us what a week or two ago
that Paul Cassel, former federal judge, laid out the case
that illegal immigrants in this country have very few, if
any rights. Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod,

(52:17):
all right, we'll get to your calls and comments coming up.
Even though ordinary Americans are located and going, why on
earth are you defending people? Are issues like this to
the phones? We go. Let's talk with Earl. Earl is
in West Valley tonight. He's been waiting patiently on the show. Earl,
how are you? Thanks for joining us? Your thoughts?

Speaker 11 (52:34):
Yeah, thank you? So my thoughts are I watched the
news a lot, and halfway through Biden's false term, they
were reporting nine to ten millions. So Trump everyone else
has said, there's twenty to twenty two million illegals here.
Quit spreading fake news. Also, we need to deforce seventy
thousand a day to get them all out in twelve

(52:54):
years or twelve months.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah, and it's with it and they're complete plan and
never do that.

Speaker 11 (53:01):
Then the criminals, the criminals, we need to string them,
lynch them up on the outside of our border walls,
and this illegal cross and will stop overnight.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
That may be a little extreme, but I think if
we just had a prison like they do down in
an El Salvador, that would discourage a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Look, I saw photos of it, very clean. They keep
them there. It is it's a it's a maximum security
prison and it's not meant to be three hots and
a cotton playtime. It's not fun. It is a place
where you're punished. And if you look at as was
described by Congressman Kennedy, the Lowering, it's to be one
of the most dangerous homicidal countries you know in Latin America,
and now how it's gone down. They're actually Despite all

(53:42):
the liberals mantra that you can't incentivize people to not
break the law or commit harm because they could go
to jail, it actually turns out that El Salvador proved
the opposite, that you can create a chilling effect. You
can create a disincentive to homicide, murder, things like Marcus,
because if you're going to live in that prison, for
the rest of your born days. You might not want to.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
You might think, again, what what Congressman Kendy say. They're
eighty percell, Yes, eighty and mains percell stacked three deep,
meaning three bunk bid high. They get thirty minutes of
exercise every day, yep. And they read the Bible.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
To them and they're in there for good.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And they're in there for good. There's no death penalty
in El Salvador.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
So you know, look, why don't we have those prisons
here because liberals have made it into a three hots
and a cot. You know, time that's not too hard
to to, you know, to spend incarcerated, and that's why
we don't have it. But it ought to be. It
ought to not be. Remember remember the judge from the
sheriff from Arizona. He put them in the paint. Yeah,

(54:43):
and he'd have a break rocks. He had him work.
And then if you can't get to watch TV, you
got you get to listen to someone narrate the classics
classic novels. Made him wear pink, yes, because they were
stealing them all the time, because it was like a
badge of honor. So when he made him pink, they
stopped stealing the you know, the the jumpsuits. So I
think that being harsh on her heart on crime is

(55:05):
a requisite you have to be so.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
And what the Democrats are doing, I mean, I think
you and I agree, Greg, and I think a lot
of people would agree with us out there as well. Uh, abrego,
Garcia is not coming back. He's not coming back. Never
get over it. And here here's where the Democrats are
making a mistake. I just saw posting on the New
York Post website, James Carvel, the Wizard of the Democratic

(55:28):
Party so to speak, said, this is an issue we
need to stand on, we need to fight. Go ahead, folks,
because the American people are laughing at you for advocating
for this guy. He's dangerous.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, let him do it, Let him do it, let them,
let them. Uh. I think I think the Trump administration
is taking what the left had always believed they had
fog of war cluttered the system, crowded the system that
you could not see any daylight. Ever, these are people
that will be here forever and will ultimately vote and

(56:01):
will ultimately keep the electoral College uh securely in the
Democrat side of the column, for every presidential administration going forward.
That was the plan. Good luck and with their look
at at at this country being at war with these
organized gangs, they've found a way constitutionally to attack the
illegal deportation that's happened.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Third hour coming up, Stay with us.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I used to tell my kids if that if that
Easter Bunny TransPasses and I'm calling the cops, I'm gonna
call apartment. Now you come in. But I'd always act
mad that that breaking and entering is what that's called
for Santa and the Easter Bunny. You don't just walking
people's house. I'd always tell you, my nieces and nephews,
I say, I'm calling the cops on Santa and the
Easter Bunny. If they break into my house, they can

(56:48):
just leave it at the door. Leave it at the door,
don't walk in my house. Okay, that's called breaking and entering.
Its crime.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Well, we have these large golden Easter eggs, and those
are the ones that kids go after.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh they're so big, how can they not find him?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Well, they can find him. Yeah, we Does anybody really
hide Easter egg?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Well on the lawn?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Put some thought, but really, really I didn't know that
you got a smart easter bunny. Yeah, smart than the
one that comes to my house.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I think he's just tired by the time he comes.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Well, speaking of Bunny, it's the Wall Street Journal today
had this article Greg on Donald Trump is moving too fast.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
He's as much logic as that Brandon guy that TechEd message.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
He is just moving too fast and the American people
can't keep up with it. As a matter of fact,
Phil Wegman is going to join us on the show
here in a minute. He's the White House correspondent UH
for a real clear politics, right and he just don't
talk about the Endangered Species Act. But I was talking
with him earlier today and I said, are things moving
too fast for you? He goes, we can't keep up

(57:57):
with this guy right now.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Well, you know, that's always many a problem with d
as it moves so fast. It just moves. It's like
lightning fast. That's what they've all. You know, if they
had any fault is that they just do too much
and they move too fast. I've never heard that, actually,
I never have nobody.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Well, Philip Wegman, as I mentioned, is the White House
correspondent for real clear politics. He's joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now. He had an exclusive story this
week that the administration is planning to overhaul the Endangered
Species Act. Ooh, that's going to cause some issues, and
Philip is joining us right now. How big of a
deal is this if, in fact the administration attempts to

(58:36):
overhaul the Endangered Species Act? Philip, absolutely massive.

Speaker 9 (58:40):
The Endangered Species Act has been on the books for
more than fifty years.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
At this point.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
And the reason that the White House wants to see
this overhaul is they think that if they can change
the definition of the word harm, then that immediately sort
of clears the decks for business and industry to start
reinvesting here in this country.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
They see this as really a big first.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
Step that is going to go hand in hand with
Trump's promise that he was going to make it easier
for investors to move in this country. One White House
official told me that they expected an immediate and seismic
change as all of this.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Wow, Philip, how big of an impediment does the presidency
in building up American rebuilding America? How big of an
impediment is this act?

Speaker 9 (59:33):
So one thing that's consistent about Donald Trump, even before politics,
is he has seen environmental regulation as really an obstacle.
He hates red tape of green variety. And on the
campaign trail he was talking to Joe Rogan where he
talked about how these environmental reviews in his mind, were

(59:54):
a killer. And then one of the most significant things
that he does during the tran position is he puts
out word to investors around the world and he says,
if you're going to make an investment of at least
one billion dollars in the United States, then I am
going to fast track the permit process, including environmental regulations.

(01:00:18):
This change to the Endangered Species Act, it goes hand
in hand with all of that, and it's it's very much,
you know, in align with his character for you know,
again not just his time in politics, but beforehand. I
think that, you know, Donald Trump, he sees himself, you know,
as that New York real estate builder more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Let me ask you, do you have any idea what
kind of changes they're going to be? I mean, any
idea at this point, Philip. I know they haven't unveiled
him yet, but in your reporting, have you heard or
seen anything as to what they may be doing.

Speaker 9 (01:00:54):
With the Endangered Species Act? Here in particular, they're going
to be changing the definition of the word harm. And
that seems like such a small thing, But previously the
Supreme Court had relied on the definition of the US
Fish and Wildlife Service to extend the definition of harm
not just against the spotted owl or some obscure plant,

(01:01:19):
but against the habitat as well. And that was really
used as a sort of an impediment to development. And
you know, conservatives in an industry, they were incensed with this.
They saw it as a cudgel against development. But environmentalists,
they said, hey, if you only protect the endangered species

(01:01:40):
on black land but not on private that's basically like
trying to play the piano only using the black keys.
But already, I mean, I mean, just think you know,
the Cluton administration they locked off seventeen million acres in
the Pacific Northwest because of the spot. Now, once this

(01:02:02):
rule goes through, those protections likely will not be there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
How big of a challenge is going to face first
of all, getting changes through Congress, and then I imagine
he'll face some court challenges with this, won't they.

Speaker 9 (01:02:15):
Yeah, so court challenges are all but expected. I think
the administration they feel bullish because right now they have
a Supreme Court that is very sympathetic to them. Also, previously,
one of the things that upheld an expanded view of
the Endangered Species Act was the Supreme Court's reliance on

(01:02:35):
Chevron deference, which basically means that if Congress hasn't ruled
specifically and hasn't said explicitly what they mean by a
specific statute, then the judiciary relies on the definition of
the federal agencies. Well, Stebron defference is no more, and
so this gives the term administration a free hand they

(01:02:56):
believe to move immediately right now. This does not reply
wire Congress. This is totally within the purview of the executive.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Wow, and yes they're gonna be quickly. Yeah, you mentioned
the spot of owl, but you also write about Trump
and his dislike of the delta smelt. What exactly is
the delta smelt? And why does he get under his
skin so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Much going on?

Speaker 9 (01:03:19):
We're going on a decade. Trump has blamed that small
fish for slowing development in California, and we've recently heard
a lot about this. When there were the California wildfires,
Donald Trump argued that the reason why California didn't have
a test to more water is because of efforts that
Stay had undertaken to protect this fish. Now, in reality,

(01:03:43):
the delta smelt it's nearly extinct at this point. If
there are protections, you know, they're not protecting that much.
But conservatives don't have to look very far for what
they see as the Endangered Species Acts being miss used
to stop progress. There was recently a report in the

(01:04:05):
New York Times which outlined how in the nineteen seventies
there was a very famous fish not unlike the Delta
Smeunt called the snail darter. An environmentalist in Tennessee used
it to stop production of a dam there for a time.
Fast forward thirty years and it turns out that the
snail darter.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
It doesn't exist.

Speaker 9 (01:04:27):
In fact, the species is no different from another fish,
which is, you know, inedible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
But in abundance.

Speaker 9 (01:04:36):
And that kind of shows you some of the frustration
because to build that damn in Tennessee it required a
presidential exemption. Jimmy Carter signed it. And this is what
you know administration is worried about. They think that the
Endangered Species Act has been used inappropriately, not to protect wildlife,

(01:04:57):
but to harm industry and business.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
That's their argument. Final question for you, Philip, and I
always appreciate you joining us. Where are they in the
process of completing this and when do you expect them
to roll it all out?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
So they have to go.

Speaker 9 (01:05:10):
Through the rule making process still, but my expectation is
that this is going to move very quickly. There's not
a lot of impediments here the administration. They're all on
the same page. But what I found really interesting and
I think is a tell is one of the things
that spoils down to is under the new rule, you

(01:05:32):
can't harm the species itself, but you still can develop
the habitat. When I reported that out, my administration sources
reached out to me and said, well, wait a minute,
there are other environmental laws on the books currently, for
instance Waters of the United States, and those would still
protect the habitat. And you know, before I updated the story,

(01:05:54):
what my sources told me is, well, those regulations are
also going to be amended and changed soon. So this
is a nassive first step, but there's more coming.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Philip Boigman, he is the White House corres funding for
real clear politics. You see him on Fox News quite often.
As well joining us on our Newsmaker line. Can you
even imagine Greg the howling that will take place from
environmentalist if he changes the Entangered Species Act and he's
going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It, well, we needs to. They've used that. They haven't
given a wit about a spotted hour or anyone else.
They've done it to just absolute stop any kind of development,
any kind of infrastructure for this country. We are getting
outpaced by third world countries in Africa with our infrastructure.
You can see the rail and the roads and the
waterways that are being developed and around the world, and
we are stuck. Even the La Port, the La Long

(01:06:44):
Beach Port, they cannot get non grade traffic grade crossings
where they can do the tunnels. It takes them twenty
years to try and get the environmental permit to try
to get those trains out of that port that doesn't
cross roads because they've bogged up that system so bad.
The environmental is probably because of a bug, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I don't want to kill a bug.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Well, you do an you do an environmental impact study,
it takes you eighteen months, and you do the Army
Corps of Engineer study, it takes you another eighteen months.
Guess what happens after three years your first one expired.
That's a true story. I went back to DC to
actually ask for a waiver for that. Can we do
the two studies at the same time. We'll even let
them coordinate, like they can talk in case there's something
in one and not the other, because we have the
two studies instead at the same time, instead of doing

(01:07:26):
one finishing the second. And now the first one you
did is expired, because that's how it works today, not
any longer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah, we'll see none long overdue.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
It sure is all right. We've got more to come
on the Roden greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one
O five nine k n RS. You know, we were talking
earlier about some of the issues that the Democrats are
defending these days, like killers, illegal aliens, men and girls' bathrooms. Right, yes,
don't understand why they're defending all of this. Well, the
new Education Secretary Linda bing Mahon had to use all

(01:08:00):
numbers to explain to a CNN anchor ready for this,
why men in women's sports is always, i mean always terrible.
So she used very tiny numbers so she could explain
this to CNN.

Speaker 12 (01:08:17):
Because you know, Title nine was established to protect women,
to allow them to compete in sports on a level
playing field. And so what has happened now with transgenders,
whether it's one or two, twenty two, one hundred, When
you start with one and that deprives one other, or
a female perhaps from getting a slot for a scholarship,

(01:08:40):
or a slot on the team, or getting beaten out
in the competition, simply because they're competing against a male.
It is just totally unfair and it's against the law,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
And that the argument that the left is making greag
when it comes to trans men in women's sports is well,
there are only one or two of them. I mean,
what harm can that do? Right? Even the governor of Maine,
the nut job up there, said, you know, we may
have two transgender athletes in this entire state, So what's
the harm of letting them compete against girls?

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
There? You go, well, I think well, she, I think
she put it very very well. That you know, take
your whatever number you'd like, if it excludes girls, female
athletes from scholarships, whatever they do. But I'm so tired
of that. It's such a such a far far outlayer
liar in the Olympics, in NCAA Championship swimming, in the

(01:09:36):
highest echelons of sports. We're finding this emerging for something
I was told never happens. That we're working in the
in the extremes, in the decimal dust. This isn't even real,
but it seems to find its way to the highest
levels of competitive sports for something that doesn't exist, but
in the minds of crazy Republicans.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Well, I saw this story today. I can't remember where
he saw this, but it was in a I want
to stay in a state like Oregon and Washington. Surprise
or prize. Three of the championship track and field events.
Three events in the track and field Championship were one
by trans boys or trans men. Yes, you know, three
of them. So you have three young women who probably

(01:10:17):
should have wanted to begin with, but they won't win
it because these boys who think they're girls were allowed
to compete and beat them. No way, it's not fair
to these girls.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
So, you know, we used to worry about, you know,
schools that allowed kids from other school jurisdictions kind of
recruiting in high school sports. So we didn't want to
see that, right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
One of the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Biggest arguments was when when if some school were to
get a great athlete to come in, they would rob
the takeaway competitive opportunities. And even if you only have
so many spots to make a team, those those opportunities
for a student that was born in that school, district
or whatever. So we're really sensitive about how how those

(01:10:57):
opportunities are made available and how you are able to
take advantag of them. Well, if it's not recruiting from
a different school district where you're a great athlete and
you skate right in and have the starting position, thus
elimiting someone from being on the team. Having men boys
play in girls' sports is especially if you have a
set roster, is going to exclude a girl from playing

(01:11:19):
on that team. And I don't understand how anyone will
ever be okay with that. That cannot be acceptable because
we only have Title nine. We only have a law
that says you have to have as many female scholarships
for girls sports in college as you have for male Well,
when you have a guy guy there's a fifty three
man roster or hiring college sports, I think it's up
to almost ninety nine or some large number for football.

(01:11:43):
For you have to find the same number of scholarships
for women's sports. And so that's the whole point is
there has to be equal opportunities there. Well, when the
guys aren't making the guy teams anymore and now they
can compete against the girls, taking those scholarships and those
opportunities away from girls. It's not even debatable the fact

(01:12:04):
that we even have to walk through that mindset where
that logic is the times we're in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I guess Greg, what I find so amusing in all
of this. It's been going on for several years now.
The National Organization for Women. Where are they? They have
never never spoken out once, not once? Now where are they?

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Actually?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
It's so, it's so it's so telling.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Yeah, and you have like someone who's not conservative, Martina
and Nevertuloa, who is so against this idea of guys
playing girls sports, and she's spoken up about it. You
have you have others that have done it. And I
think it's honestly why you're seeing the Democrat Party just
dwindle before our eyes, because it's just it's a party
of elitists and people with luxury beliefs that somehow don't

(01:12:48):
impact their lives the way it will impact everyday Americans lives.
These issues that they take up in advance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Pretty amazing. All right, more coming up. It is the
Thursday evening edition of the Rod and Greg Show on
Talk Radio one five nine k n R S. Do
you do a nice Easter dinner?

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Yeah, I think yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
When you say we, I mean if that's the rural
rural we because of your crag.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Hughes doesn't do anything on the cooking side. They even mocked.
And my family mocks because I don't even cut the hammer,
and you don't. I let the ones that take there's
a there's some real personal pride in those those knives
and those electric knives everything. People. I got a father
in law and some brother in laws. I think that's
the cats me out. Well, they're welcome to it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
That's the manly thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Well, that's definitely yeah, they do, and they I'm theregiving. Yeah,
do you cut the turn? I wait at the table.
I can't wait to eat it. I don't need to
cut it. I want to eat it. And because I
got all these guys in my family that think that
that's like a rite of passage, have at it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Go do it, Let them do it. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Wow, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I'm I'm I'm secure, and you know I am, I'm
very I They can't, they can't question it for I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
All right, We'll moving right along. Youth residential treatment centers
been a real issue in Utah over the years, hasn't Yeah, Yeah,
And there's a radical movement now to divest from those centers.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that as Christina Buttons, she's an investigative reporter at the
Manhattan Institute. What is the mood right now? How would

(01:14:21):
you describe it, Christina when it comes to youth residential centers.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
Well, I recently authored a report for Manhattan Institute that
sort of addresses five narratives about youth residential treatment centers
that I believe deserved a closer look. Chiefly that abuse
in residential treatment is systemic. I've found that, you know,

(01:14:52):
we don't really have evidence to support that claim. We
have isolated incidents that have occurred and then have been
really sort of sensationalized in the media, but they don't
represent the entire sector. And this is a form of
treatment that is reserved for kids who have really severe

(01:15:16):
emotional behavioral issues. It's you know, like a vital resource.
And you know, lately the last five years especially, there's
been you know a lot of sensationalism in the media
regarding so called troubled teen industry that you know, they

(01:15:38):
they speak to former residents who had a tough experience there,
and they just they don't represent, you know, the whole
there's a lot of families who really rely on this
form of treatment. Minded I'm a former patient at one
of these facilities when I was a teenager, and it

(01:16:01):
really helps me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
You know, you bring up that these are every every
item that you brought with it. It's being accused of
being systemically there's abuse systemically through all these or their
profit driven things like this. In the state of Utah,
during our state legislative session, Paris Hilton came, which I'll
tell you what you want to grab the attention every
state senator. She had them at hello when she came,

(01:16:23):
but she came to really testify in a committee about
the abuse that she felt she lived through at one
of these treatment centers. And so to your point, you
get these people that come forward and they describe an
environment and it's really meant to cast that cloud over
youth treatment centers wholly. But what is there data that
can be combated with this? So you have someone that's

(01:16:44):
like a star that comes by, or you have others
that do this and make these cases. What does the
data say or what could you what's the best defense
against this broad brush misrepresentation of you know, center youth
centers that are meant to help these kids.

Speaker 8 (01:17:00):
Yeah, well, it's funny you mentioned Paris Hilton. I went
to the same treatment center that she did a few
years after her. I obviously had a very different experience. Yeah,
and that's you know, really what caught my attention when
she came out with this documentary in twenty twenty. I've
been you know, following along closely because this is something
I have personal experience with and I just haven't found

(01:17:24):
much to be credible.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
I was initially glad people were talking about this issue
because I think, you know, there are ways that it
can be improved. But there really has been no balance
to the discussion, and there's there really is no data.
And what available data there is finds that psychiatric residential

(01:17:50):
treatment facilities which represent you know, the kind of facility
that Paris Hilton is campaigning against, which is what Provocanyon
School is like. These have found are found to be
just statistically as safe as general hospitals. But what she's
actually done is she has this proposed federal legislation called

(01:18:14):
the Stop Institutional Child Abuse Act. I'm not really opposed
to what it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
What it will do.

Speaker 8 (01:18:22):
It's it's just to uh conduct a national study on
youth residential treatment centers and you know, determine how prevalent
abuse is because right now there really isn't any data
to make those kind of sweeping generalizations. But the implication,
you know, calling it stop institutional child abuse, there really

(01:18:44):
isn't any institutional abuse going on. We're talking about isolated
incidents that are usually dealt with, you know, swiftly investigated.
Problem facilities are shut down, bad actors are removed from
the facilities. And it's really just been this whole hysteria

(01:19:07):
with you know, exposies, documentaries and now soon be a
Netflix dramatized series coming out about the troubled teen industry.
There really hasn't been any balance to the discussion. And
that's sort of what my report addresses, trying to provide
further context.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Christina, you mentioned you're seeking balance. Have you had much
reaction to your report ends of yet and what kind
of reaction if you're getting any, what kind is it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Not yet?

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
I have some op eds planned so hopefully after that
we can bring some more attention to this issue. As
of right now, it's just something people aren't really that
aware of and they've only been exposed to this one
storyline that these places just are rife with horrific child

(01:20:00):
so very hyperbolic claims. You constantly hear people say they
were kidnapped from their homes while not really there's a
transport service that takes them. And for instance, like when
I I had a lot of issues when I was
a teenager, I gave my parents hell, they gave me

(01:20:20):
a choice, like you do come with us willingly or
you know we're going to be allowed to take you
by force, And I chose the path of recent least resistance,
just like all of these people who are sharing their
stories now, like they made choices. They rarely talk about
the behaviors that necessitated their placements or that prompted the

(01:20:43):
use of physical restraint. It's just this giant victim narrative
playing out. And I'm hoping that you know, we can
try to balance the discussion and find a.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Question for me because you have such a you're you're
researching this, but you also have your your own experiences.
There's a high empathy level, but you and you've seen
it work or not work on your own as you
know first hand witness. But here's my question going through
my mind is this, is there any Is there any
danger or downside when you have kids that are going
through a very difficult time to create peer groups in

(01:21:18):
some of these residential treatment centers that are similarly situated
in their lives. Is there a is that a new
peer group that could extend beyond their time in a
facility like that, and so, in other words, not a
not abuse happening there, but can can some of the
people that go to these uh find friends, But they're
all going kind of through the same thing, which could
perpetuate some of the problems that they've that have made them,

(01:21:40):
you know, were how they found themselves there in the
first place.

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
That was definitely my experience in short term programs. Prior
to me going to a residential treatment facility, I was
in all kinds of outpatient programs that were local and
I would meet other kids, you know, would get in
trouble with and start of this sort of cycle of crisis.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Which just repeat itself.

Speaker 8 (01:22:05):
My experience at Parvo Canyon School was that people were
coming from all over the place. Weren't a lot of
local girls that I knew, so I didn't really meet
anybody outside of the treatment center afterwards. So it really depends,
I guess right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I think that's a great answer. I think that makes
all the sense in the world that where it's not localized,
then you might not have that peer group afterwards, or
if it's short term, it's maybe more susceptible of that
than longer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah, Christine Button, Christina Button, I should say, investigative report
of the Manhattan Institute, and we've had some real discussions. Great,
you brought it up your time in the legislature on
these youth treatment centers and what goes on there and regulation,
how heavily regulated are.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
They they are are? In fact, what's happened is is
because there may have been bad players in these spaces.
And I'm not just talking in this youth treatment but
even in drug reabilitation centers, Yeah, rehabs where Americans with
disability acts don't allow it, doesn't Act doesn't allow you to.
You can have if you have a large enough home,
you can have it in the middle of a neighborhood.
And there's federal law that you serve, state law, local

(01:23:14):
zoning laws, everything. So what happened is you're seeing the
good players in these spaces who ask to have a
higher licensing standard and higher standards of care. They themselves
lead it so that they can burn off those bad
players because they don't want the bad reputation. It would
follow good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Interesting, all right, more toy come here on the run
in Greg show in Utah's talk, Rady don't want to
oh five nine k and r as as we wrap
up the show tonight. But there are now colleges. No,
I think it is a college course. Could be down
if it is a high school course. But you don't
what they're teaching kids? What how to go to sleep?

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Please, they are man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I would have taught that class in school. I would
have been the constructor. I could sleep through a study hall,
and I mean I would drool. I would sleep so well, Oh,
don't don't do that. I would sit there. I put
my one hand as a my one arm is a pillow.
The other arm would go across my eyes. I could
show you the technique, and I would be in the
deepest of deep sleeps. I would just hear the bell

(01:24:10):
for the end of the period ring, and that would
wake me up, and there'd be drool on my desk
because I was so asleep. I would teach that class.
Tell me where that is. I'll teach kids how to
sleep in class.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Funny story, speaking of drooling. Yes, so my wife and
our families at church. Our middle son who you know, well, yes, uh,
fell asleep on his mother's lap, drooled all over her dress.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Oh that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
And she wore just a plain dress, like you know,
and you could see any funny. It almost looks like
she wet her pants.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, that's the love of my mom.
Kids drooling like that. And it was like twenty one
at the time, which is really kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
That's a little weird. All right, Tomorrow is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Is Friday, and it's is it good Friday?

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Tomorrow? That's good Friday? Tomorrow Sunday on Sunday? All right,
hand up, shoulders back, May God bless you and your family,
This great, great country of ours. We'll be back with
you tomorrow, starting at Poor. We'll talk to you then

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