The Rod and Greg Show: Congressman Mike Kennedy on Trump's Domestic Policy Bill; Reaction to Biden's Cancer Announcement

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You mentioned you worked for a few years with mister Hughes. Yes,
was that like a prison sentence? I'm just asking because
I have to work with them every day, and at
times it feels like that.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is true and you guys are stuck in the
same room together all the time.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, three hours a day, that's true, plus show prep time.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
No, I was I was allowed to get away.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You were released early release program. Well, it's great to
have you along, Carolyn, and we have got a lot
to talk about today, Carolyn. The Joe Biden thing we've
got to get into. And in a way, you know,
as soon as we heard the news it broke what
yesterday or the day before, as I recall yesterday, and
I had mixed emotions about it. I don't know about you,

(00:42):
but I had mixed emotions going, yeah, you feel sorry
for but they've lied to us for so long. Were
they covering up this?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's the question that came to me.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know what. I hate to say it.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
My first question was, is this what they're using in
order to distract and cover up what is not necessarily
worse for him? Both are equally bad for him, but
is maybe worse for the American people, the fact that
we had a president that wasn't functional.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, well physically and maybe mentally.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And mentally you know, that's starting to come out now
that money can be made.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, So we want to talk about that because both
Caroly and I we were talking about this before the
start of the show, and Caroly and I agree, something
just something does mesh here in this story, especially some
of the things that he said a couple of years ago.
And we've got the whole cover up thing and the
trust of the American people with what these guys are
saying right now, I think it's gone out the window.

(01:37):
That's that's just my opinion. We'll get into that. You
were you were at the convention on Saturday, Yes, the
State Republican Organizing Convention. Greg Hughes was there. Greg is
going to check in with us. We'll like to get
your thoughts about what happened. Were there any surprises, well,
anything surprised at Carolyn.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I think it was surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Nobody knew how this race was going to turn out
between the chairman on the chair race. We knew that previously.
These are the delegates who had overwhelmingly supported Lyman for
governor and so, but this is a different race. You're
looking for different things possibly in a candidate, and so

(02:15):
I think it would have been a surprise no matter
how it would have turned out, because no one really
knew how that was going to go. Everything else, it
just was what it always is.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I think.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well, we had both Rowbacks and Phil Lemon on the
show on Friday, and after the interviews, Greg and I
looked at each of them, said, they're two very good candidates.
It's kind of nice for the party to have some
good candidates to choose from. So we'll talk about that.
Mike Kennedy, Congressman Kennedy, who you were with on Saturday,
will join us. The big beautiful bill pass. But boy,
you and I have a lot of questions about this.

(02:47):
Why are they so afraid to cut taxes? Why are
they so afraid to cut government? Carolyn? What what holds
them back? I don't get it to you.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, that's the power, right, maybe it is. Look at
everything that has come with Doe. Oh, and the more
government can grow and suck kind of our money into
whatever it constructs next, the more it empowers itself at
the cost of the American people.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
And that's good. If you seek power and money. That's
good for you.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, that's what it comes down. We'll get into that.
Plus we've got a lot of other things Hillary Clinton,
another gem from Hillary. We'll get into that a little
bit later. She JUSTI, I don't know, we'll get into that.
So we've got a lot to get to. It's great
to be with you on this Monday. If you want
to be a part of the program, of course eight
eight eight five sevenage zero one zero eight eight eight

(03:36):
five sevenage zero one zero, or on your cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod. All right,
let's talk about the Biden situation. When the news came
across Carolyn, what was your first reaction when you heard
about this? What was your initial reaction?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, because I think we've all lost all trust in
every single institution, including the media. I had a lot
of questions. Right there was nothing to definitive for me.
I didn't even necessarily believe the diagnosis because I don't
know what's true right now. I don't know that anybody does,
and so I did question the timing obviously. Oh yeah,

(04:15):
even even Brian Stelter on CNN did you see that?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
And it's just extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah that this timing is not making sense to anybody.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
It's obvious that something was up.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I felt that immediately when the news came out,
as I think did most Americans.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, I did too. I went, uh, wait a
minute here, because if you look at what was going
on last week. First of all, it was a very
good week for Donald Trump. I mean, his piece and
prosperity tour the Middle East was fantastic. He really has
reset how America is looking at the region that's been
long overdue. But then you have with Biden. You had
the Taper book, a lot of talk about the Taper book.

(04:52):
You had the testimony of Robert Hurr, and that interview
tapes were released on all of that. You had all
of this going on, and all of a sudden, this
news comes out and you go, how long have they
been covering this one up? And that's what left people
saying there. And we'll we'll reach out to our listeners
later on in the show because we'd like to know
how they feel about it. I mean, do they how

(05:13):
do we view this story? I mean, we don't want
to wish any ill will on Joe biden Or's family,
but some just fishy here. Something just isn't adding up
for a lot of people. And I think even though
David Actelrod says we shouldn't talk about it, right, yeah,
yes we should. I mean, the American people do have
a right to know.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
And by the way, when David Axelrod says shut up Americans,
I think that's the indication that we should not shut up.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, that's a good point, right, that's good point. Well,
this is Biden's doctor. He was on the Morning Joe
Show on MSNBC today. This is what he said about
prostate cancer and Joe Biden.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Would it be fair to say it's likely to have
had this for at least several years.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Oh more than several years. You don't get prostagut Again,
I just want to stop you. So this is not speculation.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
If you have prostate cancer that has spread to the bone,
then he's most certainly you were saying, had it when.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
He was president of the United States.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
Oh yeah, he did not develop it in the last
one hundred two hundred days.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
He had it while he was president. He probably had it.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
At the start of his presidency in twenty one. Yes,
that I don't think there's any disagreement about that.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I guess. I guess currently the question I have to
what level was the prostate cancer? I mean, I have
been told my own family doctor once said that all
men have prostate cancer. Some die by it, others live
with it. So I'm not sure what the level was,
but you would have to assume that people, especially his wife,
you would have to think that Joe Biden knew what

(06:58):
was going on here. What were they Why were they
covering it up? Why not be straightforward with the American people?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, I think that's the question that needs to be answered, right. Yeah,
But I also believe when they talk about it's clear
that he had it for a number of years. I
don't think that we can assume that that's something that
would have been not visible or had signs that at
least he would recognize. And by the way, remember just

(07:26):
last year he had a doctor telling us that he
was doing remarkably well for his age of eighty one.
He's an eighty one year old man. And if this
is and we know this is a very normal condition
for men, this is absolutely something they would have been
looking at long before this weekend.

Speaker 8 (07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, and what leads to all this speculation is what
he said. Back in twenty twenty two. He was out
there and he talked about cancer and the fact that
he had cancer. Listen to this this couple of years
ago now, and.

Speaker 9 (07:57):
Because it was a four lane highway that was accessible,
my mother drove us and rather than us be able
to walk and guess what the first frost, you know
what was happening. You had to put on your windshield
wipers to get literally the oil slick off the window.
That's why I had so damn any other people I
grew up have cancer and why camp For the longest time,

(08:21):
Delaware had the highest cancer rate in the nation.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
He said, I have cancer.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now remember when that remark was made, the White House
immediately jumped on the next day and staid it was
a gaff. He didn't mean to say that. You know,
he misspoke, did he?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Right?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, this is even more damning for them, for the
White House, right, because no doubt his symptoms would have
been identifiable, if to not his staff, at least to
doctors and to himself by that point. So that feels
to me like a clear cover up.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, it just itis, And here's a coming. You were
a moment ago, this is David Axelrod and said we
all should shut up, don't talk about the cover up anymore.
He's dealing with the medical situation. Let's shut up.

Speaker 10 (09:08):
His medical condition now has announced medical condition. Now do
you believe that silences or delays a lot of conversations
about his you know, last year and a half of
his presidency for now?

Speaker 11 (09:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (09:26):
Well, I mean I think those conversations are going to happen,
but they should be more muted and set aside for
now as he's struggling through this.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
As we talk about all of this, Carolyn, it's a
Biden administration. It's the Democrats which have placed us in
this position because they allied to us on and on
and on again. And now they're asking us to believe
that all of a sudden, this diagnosis just happened.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, they're asking us to believe something that looks extremely improbable. Bolt, Yes,
after they have destroyed all faith and trust in them.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, that doesn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah. And we're gonna get your reaction to this a
little bit later on in the show. Here on the
Rotting Greg Show, Carolyn Fippen filling in for Greg. Mister
Hughes will join us coming up right here on the
Rotting Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine can rest Carolyn Fippen filling in for Greg Hughes today,
but apparently he can't do the show if he doesn't
weigh in. You get that sense.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, but we we know Greg and we know his inability.
Sometimes unfortunately we do shut up.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, you know we've had You know.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I expected there to be weeping and whaling that I'm
not there. I thought you two would be down in
the dumps, not celebrating, not just enjoying my absence. What's
going on here?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Actually we have a party. There are balloons, there's cake,
there's good that you're gone today.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So I'm I had a funeral to attend and it
was down in Washington County.

Speaker 8 (10:58):
I'm driving home.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I'm less say I'm going. They are way too happy.
This is these people are way too happy that I'm
not there. This is this is you know, I can
hear you.

Speaker 13 (11:07):
I can hear you.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Okay when you're on the phone, aren't a little bit
I want to talk about the convention Now I got
cut off my chest?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, do you feel better?

Speaker 12 (11:14):
Now?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
All right? We wanted to get you on because because
you know, we know that you, along with Carolyn, spent
some time at the state GOP organizing convention this past weekend.
What are some of your thoughts, Greg, what'd you see
happen that you like, didn't like? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (11:30):
So I'll tell you what I like.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I like the fact that there's there's about four thousand
delegates that get elected for two year terms, and everybody
loves the nominating convention, which was last year. We have
all these candidates you get to vote for. But oftentimes
the next year the organizing.

Speaker 8 (11:44):
Convention like this one, you'll see.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
About fifty percent attendance, maybe two thousand of the four
thousand they are elected to show up for the organizing convention,
twenty six hundred. More than twenty six hundred delegates came.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
That's a high number.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
I was impressed by people's genuine willingness to participate in
party building, Republican party building and attend I think that
it was I thought that the race for party chair
Rod we had a great interviews with both candidates, rob
ACKs and Phil Lymon on Friday. I think what our
listeners heard on Friday you saw by way of the
votes with delegates, it was not a landslide either way.

(12:19):
It was a very close race showing that both Bill
Lyman and rob Ackson had that's good support, and so
it came down or was probably I don't know, like
I said, almost twenty six hundred votes, and I think it.
I think it was decided by one hundred and twenty five,
which is a very close race for party chair. And
I think the third thing, so I think that's good.

(12:39):
I think having a debate, nobody's entitled anything, have a
good race for chair, have the you know, fight for
that and earn people's votes. And I think that clearly
it's not you see that there's some differences of opinion
with our state delegates with a close election, but we,
unlike the Democrats, embrace the debate. We embrace having these differences.

(13:00):
They just don't have conventions, They don't have these types
of you know, these types of elections, or if they
do and they don't like David Hogg, they say kings X,
we don't want him after all, So we don't do
that as a party here in Utah.

Speaker 13 (13:12):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Lastly, I think the ability to take on business vote,
have it done in a timely way. Thomas Right, he
ran for governor when I did in twenty twenty, and
he used to be the state party chair. He was
the Salt Lake County chair. Before that, he was the
convention chair, and he did, in my opinion, a phenomenal
job keeping everyone on point, keeping the agenda going on

(13:38):
on time. And you understand quickly watching Thomas Wright on Saturday,
that that might be more of an art and leadership
than than just a science. And he has it all.
He has, He's the real deal. So I really enjoyed
being Thomas Wright in that role again. And I thought
that he had the delegates respect, and I thought they
were able to accomplish a lot of good things. So

(13:59):
on the whole, I thought, I thought it was a
very successful convention.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Carolyn, you were there, your thoughts, Yeah, I agree with Greg.
It was like we mentioned earlier, it was a very
close race for party chair, and we had a couple
of really great candidates, and that's always good to see.
I want to see us as a party coming together
after this. I think most people want to and are

(14:23):
willing to. And I'll tell you I received a text
last night from somebody who voted differently than I did,
and everybody knew I had endorsed. I was on posters
that other people printed up, and I was on the.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Stage with Rob.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
But I have great respect for Phil as well and
have worked with him over the years. And this is
I'm going to read you a part of this text
that I was sent. This guy reaches out to me.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
I know him.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
He says, I wanted to tell you thanks for standing
on your principles during this race for GOP chair. I
respect that we need more people like that here in Utah.
I voted for Lineman, but will now I'll fully support
our chair.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Rawbacks to hear. It's what we've got to have.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's what we want to hear. Well, Greg safe travels
to you. We appreciate a few minutes of your thoughts, man,
and we'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Thanks man, Okay, how fun you too?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I here to remove He's leaving now now now Citizen
Greg Hughes joining us on the Rotting Greg Show. Greg
will be back tomorrow. Carolyn, doing a great job and
filling it all right. When we come back here on
this Monday afternoon, Congressman Mike Kennedy will join us he'll
share his thoughts about that big beautiful bill and the
story surrounding Joe Biden and prostate cancer, all coming up

(15:32):
on the Rotten Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine knrs. All right, Carolyn, let's talk about
another big issue, and we're talking about this big, beautiful
bill that Donald Trump wants. But there's so many questions
being raised about it. I'm not sure it's going to
give us what I think many Americans really want right now.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I know, and I think we're all We've seen Congress
over and over again say well, yeah, yeah, we have to.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Do this first to begin fixing the problem.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And it's just gotten to the point of such massive
frustration with everything that we've seen exposed that you know,
it goes back to do is there trust in any
institutions left?

Speaker 4 (16:11):
And sure?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Okay, but I don't know, you've got like a two
month leash.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, right, I don't know that's true. Yeah, I think
there's some frustration. Well, let's get an update. Joining us
on our any hour Newsmaker line right now is Congressman
Mike Kennedy. Congressman Kenny, thanks for joining us tonight. Let's
talk about it. Give us an update as to where
this so called big, beautiful bill stands.

Speaker 12 (16:33):
Well.

Speaker 14 (16:34):
Last night, the Budget Committee put that bill together, the
Budget Reconciliation Bill, and they're sending it to the full
House this week, and President Trump is coming to the
Republican Conference tomorrow, and I think there's gonna be a
little bit of arm twisting. Maybe some arm breaking isn't
necessary to hit this same movement. But it's the first
time in my lifetime that I've actually seen Republicans unite

(16:54):
to do something really big, and this is this is
great for not only Republicans but also the United States
in America.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yes, so I love the idea that this will create
or that some unity within the party is being created
around President Trump's ideas. But I know there are a
lot of concerns. Number one, Yes, there are concerns about
tax increases that will take place if this bill doesn't pass.
But I'm telling you there are maybe even bigger concerns

(17:24):
about the corruption driven by government spending of taxpayer dollars
in ways that the people would never want their money spent.
And I'm not so sure that that is really addressed
very thoroughly in this bill.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Give me your thoughts on that.

Speaker 14 (17:38):
It's a great point, Carolyn, and we can't let the
perfect be the enemy of the good. The reality is
is that if we don't take action, and then every
family in America will be faced with the seventeen hundred
dollars tax increase by the end of this year. So
that's a massive step in the right direction. We're going
to make Trump's tax that's permanent, which is going to
enhance our economy and grow me in a way that's

(18:00):
going to help our national depths. But here's the takeaway
that I think is shocking is we've got an estimate
from the Congressional Budget Office one and a half trillion
dollars of savings, which is momentous. It's historic. I've never
seen this kind of savings. Now. Is there more to
be done? Absolutely, And in fact, one of the things
that we're seeing is the savings are coming at the
later part and the benefits are coming. The blandishments are

(18:24):
coming at the early part. Myself and many conservative fiscal
hawks are looking to make sure that those savings start earlier.
And so one of the things, and that's where reforms
and medicaid, where we've got over a million illegal immigrants
on Medicaid right now. We can't have that sort of
burden on the taxpayer as well as I'm Medicaid and
not expect the system to go bankrupt. Medicaid was intended

(18:46):
for pregnant women and disabled individuals as well as impoverished individuals.
So that's just one of many reforms that it's long overdue,
and this bill, this Reconciliation bill, is going to actually
take action in that area.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, let's stay on the issue of Medicaid. What are
we doing about these adults who are currently receiving Medicaid
I think about ninety cents on the dollar who aren't working.
I mean, how do we get them back to work
and off these Medicaid rolls? Does this bill, will this
series of bill address that issue that it does?

Speaker 14 (19:19):
Work requirements are part of the big beautiful bill at
prison Trump's moving forward, and I'm a big fan of that.
That's one of the phase ends of in twenty twenty nine.
Actually I think it should start next year, but there's
negotiations on that. The reality is there's a large number
of able bodied, working age adults that could be working
and actually getting better insurance in Medicaid and they've been

(19:42):
on the dole through the Obamacare process. So this bill
enacts savings that actually help us by enforcing work requirements
on these individuals, which I think is long overdue. It
also does it for SNAP, is for the food Stamp
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program. If you're able body, working adult
and and you can go out and at least try
to find the job, this bill requires that. So that

(20:04):
these are reforms that are common sense. The American people
are going to see this as common sentence. This is
not these aren't cuts, these are savings, and actually this
is going to actually enhance people's ability to take care
of themselves instead of being stuck with the government programs.

Speaker 15 (20:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
That I have another question for you on this whole
budgeting process. We discussed this a little bit the other day,
but that is you're seeing the way that the appropriations
process works in Washington up close and personal. We are
all hearing all all kinds of information, new information about
DOGE and the things that they are doing to identify

(20:40):
fraud and abuse within various programs. What are your thoughts
going forward over the next year or two the ability
of Congress to actually codify some of those cuts that
DOGE has identified as being necess up.

Speaker 14 (20:53):
Absolutely, Carolyn, that's a great question, because the reality is
is that President Trump, through executive order and those through
elin MUST efforts have been vigorous and trying to root
out fraud, waste, and abuse, and they've done a great job.
And that Congress moves slow. We all know that the
constipation that goes on in Congress, it's really frustrating that
it goes slow, but frankly, it's designed to go slow.

(21:16):
All of this stuff. Our founders put it in that
way so that there'd be debate. And so once we
get this reconciliation package and moving forward, which as I say,
it's going to happen this week and I'm excited to
see that happen, then we can start with moving forward
on the executive orders that President Trump has put into
place that are necessary. And frankly, I'll say to both

(21:37):
of you and your listeners, there are people that we
know that have been fraudulently using the system. I want
to see some charges and I want to see people
in handcuffs going to jail for Medicare fraud, social Security fraud.
I mean, we know there's a three hundred and sixty
year old person on Social Security at this point, President
Trump talked about that a person whoever that is, they
should be in jail. So we're looking to do those

(21:58):
kind of things. But the when you make when you
try to get these cases put together, when you're trying
to do this through legislation, it takes time.

Speaker 11 (22:06):
And we're working on that.

Speaker 14 (22:07):
But right now it's the one big beautiful bill that
President Trump's work with us on, and after that we'll
start working on the DOGE efforts.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Let me ask you this, Congressman, what about can we
move up the date to get rid of some of
Biden's green news scam stuff out there? I mean absolutely,
from what I understand, it's not going to happen until
twenty twenty eight. Can we move that up and make
it happen sooner?

Speaker 14 (22:28):
That's another one of the negotiation points. And on the
business stability side, many of these contracts I've heard from
these entities that they've made contracts over five and ten years, understandably,
but at the same point, these are the Green New
Deal and the all of this blandishments on that industry.
They need to go away sooner than later. And in fact, myself,
freedom Caucus. The deficit hawks, we're focused on bringing that

(22:52):
deadline closer instead of further away. So we're working on that.
But the same thing, it's you got to get two
inner in eighteen votes at least, and we've got a
seven vote majority. So if we lose more than three
Republicans and this thing is going to die. So we
need to make sure we get everybody on board.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Final question before we let you go, Congressman, I did
want to ask you about the story and Joe Biden
and the prostate cancer. You being a medical doctor, a
lot of people out there are saying something wrong with this,
something's fishy about this, what's going on? What are your
thoughts on this? Knowing everything that's gone on this past week,
what are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 14 (23:24):
God bless anybody going through that kind of difficult circumstance.
The thing that I struggle with is the constant obfliscation,
the willing denial of many that were close to Joe
Biden to admit that he had mental decline during his
term and that auto pens were being used to sign
off an important executive action that we don't even know
if Joe Biden understood what he was doing so metastatic

(23:48):
prostate cancer just in my healthcare circumstances, not something that
just pops up all of a sudden. I don't really
understand who the doctor is and how come all of
a sudden we find out now when just a few
months ago a doctor was certifying President Biden is fully
capable health wise to serve as president. So so, I,
like you and your listeners, suspect that there may have

(24:09):
been some intentional disregard of some of the things that
might have been a parent But welcome to Washington, d C.
I see a lot of that kind of stuff going on.
But I God bless Joe Biden and his families that
go through this difficult time. But I'd also say there's
there's what we'll look for whether or not there's actual

(24:29):
intent to deceive the American people, and we'll demonstrate that
where we can, because these kind of things they don't
just come out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
You tuk, Congressman Mike Kennedy, Carolyn, you know, they are
talking about the big beautiful bill, but I'm not sure
if it's as big or as beautiful as many of
us would like.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
I know, well, I think it's as big I don't
know that it's as beautiiful.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
That's we'll talk more about that coming up on the routing.
Greg Joe Carolyn Phip been filling in today for Greg.
I really want to get the public's reaction to the
Joe Biden cancer story, because there were a lot of
people out there were just going and you know the
trust factor with that with with the Biden administration and
the Democratic Party. I don't know if the level is

(25:10):
above one on a scale of one to one hundred times.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh, you're probably right, And I'm interested to hear from
the public to see if we're off on this or
if that is the general consensus something.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So here's something shocking. This is real quick. I just
wanted to pass to you. In all this would make
a lot of Americans just shake their head. But apparently
there was a survey done out there, a national survey,
and it found that Democrats would pick China over the
United States when it comes to the trade war.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Wow, that is stunning.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
It's a national survey and it found that thirty eight
percent of likely Democratic voters want China to win the
trade war instead of the United States. That's the country
we're living in, right down. All right, more coming up
our number two for Rod and Greg, Joe, Carolyn Fiffen
pilling in for us today. We'll get to your phone calls.

(26:05):
The Biden cancer story. Something doesn't add up, doesn't We'll
talk about it next time. Let's talk about Joe Biden.
Your thoughts on this, because I have a lot of
questions out there. What the inner circle knew, what they
were trying to cover up? Why?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I think, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I feel like it's pretty clear that people were aware
of this. I think family members certainly were. I think
doctors certainly were. And whether people around him in politics
knew that there was a cancer issue. They definitely knew
about the dementia, right, that's come out. That's clear. So

(26:47):
we knew there were problems and we were being lied to.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah. Well, and the question has to be I mean,
if you think about this, and I've been reading up
a lot about this, Joe Biden, as President of the
United States, has access to the top nut health professionals
in this country. Right he's president, He's the most powerful
man in the world. And his doctor said, what was it?
Kevin O'Connor said, just back in twenty twenty three. Okay,
he said this healthy, vigorous, eighty year old male who

(27:13):
is fit to successfully execute the duties of the presidency.
That's coming from his doctor. All right, and you go
on to say this he's healthy, he's vigorous. Well, it
was pretty obvious over the last couple of years that
we realized that he said back in twenty twenty two,
we played that sound bite earlier where he said, you know,
I have cancer. I know of other people that have cancer.

(27:36):
The White House says that was a gaff was it?
I mean, there's a cover up again. So the questions
we have out there about all of this, I think
the American people, yes, we feel sorry for him and
his family. Don't wish them and he will correct. But
something's going on here, Carolyn. Something happened again.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, And I'm really disturbed by the thought that there
were people who knew about this and his cancer went untreated.
There were indications of this cancer going on. Absolutely I
have zero doubt about that. Has it been treated and
we weren't told or was it allowed to not be
treated in order to cover it up? And that would

(28:15):
be horrifically abusive if that were the case. We don't know,
I want to know.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah. Well, the other question would be, I mean, obviously
they were covering up his cognitive decline, right, did they
want to deal with another cover up? And I think
maybe they were involved in I mean telling the American people, yeah,
he has cognitive decline, cognitive challenges, and oh, by the way,
he has prostate cancer. I mean, I don't know if
the American people could have stood for that.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
No, I don't think they would have. I think the
decline in his mental capacity alone would have been enough.
But you know, I had a friend who voted for him,
and she ran into me about a year into his
presidency and said, you know, I think that we need
to work on getting a law pass saying that anybody
over the age of you know whatever, they can't run

(29:04):
for president. And I was stunned by that, and I
told her, you know, you voted for him. I didn't,
and trying to say that you want a law pass
to absolve you of the responsibility of due diligence. It
was obvious to all of us that there were issues
then at that time, Right.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
All right, well, we want to hear from you eight
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven O eight zero one zero on your
cell phone. Justile pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
let's go to the phones we get in Salt Lake
City with Ross tonight, Russ. How are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Shoe Carolyn Fippen filling in today, Russ,
your thoughts on this?

Speaker 15 (29:39):
Yeah, I'm a I'm a survivor of prostate cancer. Just
over a year ago, I was dy. It all starts
with a PSA test. Everybody's heard those, and I'm not
near Joe's age. And it started with a PSA and
it started going up. What just a normal blood work.
They had to have been doing that NonStop with Joe

(30:01):
at eighty years old. The prostate cancer is rampant amongst
eighty plus your old people. It doesn't always kill him,
but it certainly is always there. And I just can't
believe that the PSA test all the time he was
a senator, vice president and president wasn't being kept close
eye on and in a minute that PSA went up.

(30:22):
They should have been in their stuff. I was fortunate
my cancer was restricted to my prostate. Prostate was taken out,
no leakage. Joe's going into the bone was just overspiped,
well malpracticed by In my opinion, it's a slow cancer.
I was diagnosed as I said in May. They were

(30:43):
not in a hurry to get me into surgery until
October because it's so moot, so slow. If it's slow,
then they should have been on top of it through
this SAT quick.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you, Russ. The early treatment, Carolyn
is what I'm wondering about, if they recognize it. Was
he receiving any type of treatment?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I want to answer to that question, and I want
to ask, oh we lost Russ, because I want to
know in any other colors who call in, who have
experience with this, I want to know how it was discovered,
right what Russ said? It was a simple blood test?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Is this normally done when you go in? Were there
other signs prior so the test was done?

Speaker 4 (31:26):
I want to know.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, good point. Let's go to Bluffdale. Here what Brian
has to say tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. Brian,
how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not even certain we can
believe the news that he has cancer. I'm just going
to put that out there but what I also believe
you if you look at the timing of this, you know,
isn't it interesting that the Robert Kerr audio tapes came
out and now all of a sudden, Joe's got cancer?

Speaker 8 (31:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, yeah, thank you Brian for your phone call. You
know that point was made ye by who is it
Brian Settler with CNN.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yes, Brian Stelzer did say that.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
He said it was just extraordinary that this news would
come out. Well, let's see, the Jake Temper book came
out on Tuesday, herz audio was released, I think Friday
or Saturday. All of a sudden this news comes out.
It's very fish fish all right, more of your phone calls,
Rod and Greg with you on this Monday, Carolyn fipping
and filling in for Greg. Eight eight eight five seven

(32:28):
O eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven
O eight zero one zero. We've got two more hours
to go. Okay, we ain't done yet. Yeah, you are right,
you're right right. We're talking about the whole Jew and
Biden thing. Something doesn't mesh in our opinion. We want
to get your opinion. Eight eight eight five seven O
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero, Carol, let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Okay, Ron, you've been waiting a little bit. Tell us
about your thoughts with regard to the president's diagnosis.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
Well, first, I'd like to say that both of my
friends on Facebook that I've never met either one of
you in person, and so I follow Carolyn all the
time and see the things that she posts.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
She has like a million followers. Run she has like
a million followers on her I mean, she has worldwide attention.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, and she's you know, and she says,
raw and Ron, who fifty six years ago I found
out that I had prostate cancer And I'm I guess
it's born at fifty eight years ago because I'm seventy
eight now, and I would disagree a little bit with

(33:43):
us and his situation that's occurred because they do have
a PSA test, which is a prostate specific anentity, and
the prostate gland kicks that out in the blood and
so if there's no I mean, my PSA was one
point four and they said if it's under four, you

(34:05):
shouldn't even worry about it. But anyway, at the time
that I went to an overzealous doctor and there's two
ways to do cancer for men or women, and both
of them involved the finger tests or doing the blood test.

(34:28):
And so I had had the PSA and they said, oh,
you're young, and you know your PSA is one point four.
You got anything to worry about? And they did the
finger trick and he said, well, you've got a bump
on your prostate And he said, I going to send
you a to urologists. Neurologists did a p s A
L one point four. How old are you? You're fifty years, oh,

(34:51):
forty nine? Oh, you got anything to worry about? And
he says, you got a bump? Let me feel Yes,
you do, by golly, well, let's do a biopsy. So
they do a four nail biopsy. And Thanksgiving they called
and said you've got prostate cancer. And so January second,
I wrote through everything. There's all these different methods of

(35:12):
freezing and what watchful waiting and one thing another And
the only one that would make sure is if they
opened you up and looked at your lymph notes and
there's no cancer in the lymph notes and the prostateue
hasn't been eaten through, then they'll go ahead and remove it.

(35:32):
If it has, then there's no need because it's already
in your Lyft notes and it's too late now. Then
Archibald found out when he was forty eight. He was
a BYU basketball coach. If you remember, he found out
at age forty eight that he had prostate cancer and
it had already started to spread, and when he was

(35:53):
fifty years old he died from it.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I do remember that story. Ron, Thank you very much
for sharing that information. You get different stories, don't you hear?
All Right, Brigham City, Sally is joining us here tonight. Sally,
how are you welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (36:08):
Thanks. I'm doing well. How are you?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
We're doing well? Thank you your thoughts on this whole story.

Speaker 16 (36:13):
Well, I'm from a medical field, so I understand metaesetic cancer.
He's had it for a while, definitely. But the thing
that I think I'm ready to do is that Biden's
have difficult family. He's pardoned them all. They have skeletons
all over. But this country needs to heal. And I
am just kind of tired of the Liberals and the

(36:37):
Conservatives fighting each other and thinking, you know what, this
is one country and if we're if we're divided, we're
going to fail, he's gone, let his family rest in case.
We'll find out sooner later that they're let's cover up
in all of that, and we know that. But I'm
just ready to be done with them and just to
move forward and see all the wonderful things that are

(37:00):
ahead of us with the new administration. New ideas, well,
they're not even really new ideas. It's amazing how much
Obama actually said of the same things, and everybody was
okay when Obama said it. So I don't know why
when Trump says it, you know, kick the illegals outer
or some of these things.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
But I get them.

Speaker 16 (37:18):
I'm ready. I'm ready to move forward. But let's get
some news that's maybe a little more positive.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Are you saying, just ignore the story or let's move on,
because I think that's what the Democrats would like us
to do. For sure.

Speaker 16 (37:36):
I'm not so sure about ignoring the story. Obviously somebody's
accountable for it, but I just don't want to.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Feel like a.

Speaker 8 (37:46):
How do you put it, a.

Speaker 16 (37:49):
Ravage dog going after this man who's going to die.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
He's going to die, all right, all right, Sally, we
get it there. Some people out there would be saying.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
That, yeah, and I understand that she doesn't want us
going after this man. I think we need this information
so that we understand who it is we do need
to be going after because there are people in our
government who were complicit in this, sure are, and we
need to know who they are and ensure that they
never have that kind of power again.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
All right, Mari, your phone calls coming up. It is
the Rod and Carolyn Show today. Greg Hughes taking the
day off. He'll be with us tomorrow if you want
to join in on this discussion. Are we are we incorrect?
Like Sally pointed out of bringing this discussion up eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight
five seven o eight zero one zero. We're talking right
now about the whole Joe Biden's story which developed over

(38:38):
the weekend being diagnosed with prostate cancer. A lot of
people are saying, all right, how long did the family,
how long did his administration know he had this, and
why wasn't it shared with the public. Of course, we're
dealing with an administration that hit a lot from the
American people for the past four years, and we want
to get your thoughts on it. Eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero, triple eight five seven, oh

(38:59):
eaight zero one zero. Back to the phones we go.
Let's go to American Fork and hear from Robert Tonight
with Roden Carroll. Hi, Robert, how are you? Thanks for
joining us?

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Good?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (39:10):
We're doing well, thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 13 (39:14):
Great.

Speaker 11 (39:14):
So what would you guys like to know for starters?
Because you wanted people to call in that had breastay cancer.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, you know, I'm curious about number one. How they
found it, if it was a simple regular blood test
or other kind of tests when you went in for
a physical, or if there were other signs first, and
at what point it was discovered for you.

Speaker 11 (39:42):
Okay, I was fifty three years old, so I was
pretty young.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah, and I was I was.

Speaker 11 (39:49):
I was getting different life insurance and I failed the test.
So I said, oh, that's my weird And so I
had my piece of paper with me. I had to
go see my cardiologist within a couple of days anyway,
So I said, I'll just go see her to see
what happened and my cholester and everything was good. But
she said, your PSA numbers are terrible and you need

(40:11):
to get this thing checked.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
Now, I go, what is that I find good.

Speaker 11 (40:16):
No issues, no nothing. I was fantastic. And so I
went and saw my regular doctor and he goes, oh,
you need to go see a specialist. And that was
the next day. The next day, I went and saw
a specialist and they did the finger task and they said, oh,
come back tomorrow. We're taking samples. And so they take samples.
I won't tell you how they do that, but they

(40:36):
took twelve samples and I said, about six of them.
I said, oh, I think you're done.

Speaker 8 (40:43):
I got a few more and I said.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
No, you don't, No you don't, and.

Speaker 8 (40:47):
No you don't.

Speaker 11 (40:48):
But so I gave him twelve samples and I had
stage four tumor cancer. They said, you either get this
fixed now or you're going to be dead in a
few years.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Robert to fix it. What was the procedure?

Speaker 11 (41:05):
Okay, so there's three things they did. I mean that
they could do. They could either take it out that
was not an option, radiation, or they did the seeds.
And now I don't think they really want to do
the seeds anymore, so I did the radiation. They have
three machines in Utah, one in Saint George, one in Ogden,

(41:25):
and one at Saint Mark's that pinpoint the radiation. So
I went to Saint Mark's five days a week, every
day for five weeks to get the radiation from outside in.
And then I had to do two treatments which took
which was two days. Actually there's two treatments each day

(41:47):
for two days, and they did the radiation from inside out.
And now I've been cleaned out for twelve years.

Speaker 8 (41:55):
Wow.

Speaker 17 (41:56):
Good for you.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Good for you, Robert. One ordeal for Robert to go through.
Thank you for sharing. Thank you for sharing that, Robert.
I mean, it's a like I said. I distinctly remember,
and I think it was my family doctor who said, basically,
all men have prostate cancer. It all depends on the
level that you have. And he said most men will

(42:17):
die with it, but there are some men who will
die because of it. And I think, you know, you
have to be aware of that and deal with that.
And I remember years ago my family doctor didn't do
the finger test anymore. He said, basically, you know, we
know men have it, they're going to deal with it, huh,
you know. And so I it's kind of interesting. That's
why somebody, you know, his doctor must have known. Now

(42:43):
to the level. Had it changed, you know, it seemed
to happen so quickly. That's what raises a lot of
questions as well. What's going on with this?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, and our last caller when he talked about his experience, right,
he said that he went in for a life insurance,
you know, a physical for his life insurance. You can't
tell me that a physical force life insurance was more
thorough than the physical that the physician doing a physical
on the President of the United States would do.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
I just don't buy that.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well, you would think he has the top notch healthcare
in the I mean, he's the most powerful man in
the world that he would get top notch. So did
he they not want to talk about it? Where did
they go with this?

Speaker 12 (43:23):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I'm not sure on that. All right, more of your
calls coming up. Eight eight eight five seven o eight
zero one zero. All right, we want to get your
thoughts on the whole Joe Biden's story and what's going on.
Something doesn't add up eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero triple eight five seven o eight zero
one zero. Caroline, let's go back to the.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Phones, Richard, give us your thoughts on PSA and this
cancer diagnosis.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
We'd love to hear them.

Speaker 17 (43:48):
Yeah, okay, well I did not have cancer. I was
watching it like a hawk with my urologist. But I
know exactly, okay, what drives psa up and I know
what drives it down. I had it done. Happened to
me twice. And by the way, prostate cancer and breast

(44:08):
cancer are interrelated because they are hormonal. Uh huh okay,
what drives it up and down is it's called a
sad dad all right, standard American diet, deadly American diet. Yeah,
that's that's okay. Let me give you some references that

(44:30):
you can check it from a scientist and from a
I'm a doctor, okay, doctor Joel Furman. Uh uh, Eat
for Life and with a great big book, and uh
the China study by T. Colan Campbell.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Okay, I think rich Ads you mentioned those before. You know,
there are a couple of references that you can take
a look at. You know, someone made a point I
think to you, Carolyn. You know, in the treatment of
this this prostate cancer, was there concern that that treatment
good impact it's cognitive ability. Yeah, you know they're trying
to deal with two or three things here. Could the

(45:07):
be an other photo or or around him, saying well,
if he does, this is going to make this even worse.
We can't have that happen some to think about. Not
sure if that's right, but someone did raise that question.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, and it's a very legitimate question, especially because there
were concerns that in order to make him sharper in
those situations where he was appearing before the camera, that
there were other drugs being given to him. And I
can see there being concerns about interactions or cognitive ability
being impacted even more greatly with one more drug.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
In Sault Lake. Ceddie Salmon's listening to us today, wants
to weigh in on this, Sam, how are you welcome
to the show?

Speaker 13 (45:47):
Thanks?

Speaker 15 (45:47):
Rod.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
I just read a nose released. Out of the last
five presidents, Biden is the only one who did not
give a PSA test reading. All the rest of them
did was a point eight. Trump was a point five.
So more lack of transparency, more hiding, more fraud. Joe Biden,

(46:10):
You're a fool.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
All right, Sam. I did not hear that, but that's interesting.
North Ogden Scott's there tonight listening to the Rod and
Carolyn Chow. Scott weigh in on this. What are your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (46:21):
Yeah, I'm a person who's had prostate cancer. I guess
you don't know if you ever stop having it.

Speaker 8 (46:26):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 13 (46:29):
You know I started having an annual physical a long
time ago and the PSA test is part of that,
and you know, I eventually got a pretty low number.
I can't remember what it was, it like a two
or three. And the doctor's like, let's just monitor it.
This is a very slow moving cancer. Don't need to
do anything. And so we waited and we took blood

(46:51):
tests about every year, and then it started a spike
and then it was like, well, you got it. You
gotta do the biopsy. And I'll tell you you don't
want that biopsy. I had four of them before it
was over with. Wow, mainly just because you know you
monitor you say, where are.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
You at right?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (47:12):
Is it growing?

Speaker 13 (47:13):
Is it moving to the outside of your prostake? Is
what you don't want is to get out of them.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
That's true, Scott. I need to cut you off because
we need to get to a break here. But horrific
stories out there. We'll stay on top of this all right.
When we come back Killery said. The only reason we
have migrants coming into this country illegally, we want them
to have babies. We'll explain that coming up. We've talked
a lot today. We need to mention we still have
those Keith Urban tickets to give away. He'll be in

(47:39):
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k n RS. All Right, when I say the name Hillary,
I think typical, what is your hurriy Carolyn? Because when

(48:45):
I hear it, I just wringe.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I know, I want to just be done. I really
don't want to hear that name ever. Again, I don't
think anyone feels warm and fuzzy when they hear that.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, what is it about her? Have you figured that out?
I can't. I don't know what it is. I'm so
glad you never became president of the United States. I agree,
but I you know, they just they seem to honor
her in the Democratic Party, and I'm not sure why
because I'm not sure what she's done. That's a point

(49:15):
other than lose elections.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
That is a really good point, and make some money
off of some you know, allegedly shady deals down in
Arkansas really and some allegedly shady NGOs. But anyway, No,
I don't think I think that she has never been
somebody who most people feel like they can connect to.

(49:41):
She doesn't make you feel good about your country, about
her policies, about her life, makes me feel better about
my life when.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Well, a new video had surfaced. Apparently she was at
some conference or something. This was a couple of weeks old,
but apparently I want you to this because basically what
she's saying here is that she thinks us women, okay,
should it shouldn't be so focused on having families and babies. Instead,

(50:13):
she says, that's what immigrants are for. Li'st do this.

Speaker 18 (50:16):
So this is another performance about concerns they allegedly have
for family life. But if you had read the Heritage
Foundation's Project twenty twenty five, despite Trump saying he knew
nothing about it, if you had read it, it's all
in there.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
It's all in there.

Speaker 18 (50:32):
Return to the family, the nuclear family, return to being
a Christian nation, returned to you know, producing a lot
of children, which is sort of odd because the people
who produce the most children in our country are immigrants,
and they want to deport them.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
So none of this adds up.

Speaker 18 (50:52):
But you know, one of the reasons why our economy
did so much better than comparable advanced economies across the
world because we actually had a replenishment because we had
a lot of immigrants, legally and undocumented, who had a
larger than normal by American standards.

Speaker 17 (51:13):
Family.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
So Hillary Clinton, now I'm trying to get this straight, Carolyn,
and help me through this. Apparently she says we're wrong
if we want to focus on families, if we want
to turn this country into a Christian country again, and
if we want to have children. Is there something wrong
with that?

Speaker 17 (51:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
No, I think most functional people would not agree with
Hillary Clinton on this, but she is the very problem
with the Democrat Party of tidday.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Truly. I think there is this attitude that women in
the home is.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
This probably is society wide after the push in the
sixties seventies, but it starts there and it's come back
around there as more people realize that they are not
feeling satisfied and happy in their lives and they have
regrets as a result of buying into this ideology that
was pushed by the left right. I think there's a

(52:14):
recognition that these are not the attitudes that bring us
real fulfillment in life, and pushing women into the workforce
as cogs in a machine doesn't make women happier, It
doesn't make families happier, more functional. Look at what's happening
right now, Look at the mental health crisis that we're experiencing,

(52:36):
and we have children not being raised by their own mothers,
and their mothers being told that they ought not even
be raising them.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
It's changed everything, you.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Know what I wish would happen, Carolina, and I've talked
about this on the show before. All of society's ills,
we tend to blame on almost everything, you know, social media,
you name it. I never or rarely here a politician
talk about the importance of the nuclear family. Yep, having
a mom and dad in the home, raising that family.

(53:07):
And I've never understood why politicians are uncomfortable with it.
It's not you know, there are some amazing dads and
amazing moms out there who are doing it on their own,
and you know, we admire them for that. What a
tough job that is. But you know, the core the
challenge for America is still how do we keep that
family intact? And we have people like this and well,

(53:27):
the only reason we allow illegal immigrants in the country
is to have babies because we don't want to have babies.
That's not serving society.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Well, no, it's a completely warped view. And again, it
doesn't make people happier. It doesn't make society more stable.
But she is never and people like her will never
let go of this idea that really has been the
foundation of their lives. In the sixties, they fought for
women to get out of the home, sure, and into

(53:56):
the workforce. Again, do what you do, But that as
an ideology is just damaging and destructive, and they are
not willing to look around and see the damage that
has been wreaked.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
On our society as a result of it.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
And then right instead of you know, she was complaining
about Elon and the president talking about this absolute collapse
in the birth rate that we're saying. And by the way,
I read a book fifteen years ago where Pat Buchanan
predicted this.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
We all knew that this was gone, this was coming.

Speaker 12 (54:30):
And so.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Now a little late to the game, we finally have
leaders as we're approaching crisis situation. We have leaders in
the Republican Party willing to say something. But she and
people like her never going to take a look at
the consequences of the ideology that they have embraced and
reject it based on its results.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
They just won't. The Democrat Party never does.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I'm worried to Carolyn. I don't know if we can
turn it around. I mean, I sure do hope we can't, right,
I don't know if we can turn this around. And
maybe we can, I don't know what it will take
to turn it around. I hope we can, but again,
I'm not sure if we can. And you can see
what's happening in Europe, classic or even China. China has

(55:15):
real issues because they had that one baby per family policy.
I don't know if it's still in existence. They're struggling.
Europe is struggling. I'm afraid the United States could end
up in that same situation.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, well she got rid of that policy, but the
problem is society had changed as a result of that policy.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
It was too late.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, man, that's too bad. All right, more to come.
It is the Rod and Carroll Show with you. You're
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. There
was a new report out, Caroline. I wanted to talk
to you about this today. A new report from the
Pew Research Center, big research firm in this country says
I'm not sure if I believe this, but it says
Republicans have become much more likely to trust national media

(56:00):
since Donald Trump is back for a second term.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Are we I don't buy that.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I was going to say, are we trusting a media?
No more so that he's back in his second term.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, No, I don't believe it, And I would really
be interested in seeing how they came up with that,
because I think for most of us, well, first of all,
I think that what that's trying to say is that
our trust in media is based on who's in the
White House. You've got to be kidding me, Yeah, right, Yeah.

(56:32):
And we even saw a mass exodus of conservatives from
Fox News when it became clear that Fox had certain
narratives that they were requiring of their people as well.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
So no, I just don't buy it.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I think that we are absolutely don't trust anyone and
verify kind of people at this point.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
The issue I think that we could work into this
is there is no doubt do Old Trump is maybe
the most accessible president we've ever had in the White House?
Would you agree? I mean, he'll talk to anybody, Yes,
you know, he's so. I'm wondering if because we see
him interacting with the media more and more more so,
certainly than Joe Biden ever did, or Barack Obama or

(57:17):
really maybe Donald Trump in his first term, even though
I think he was fairly accessible there. But the mere
fact that he wants he's willing to talk to people.
He'll every news conference, when he signs an executive order,
he'll say, and we got any questions, and he'll he'll
he'll he'll sit at that desk and answer their questions.
He's not afraid to sit down with he knows the

(57:38):
legacy media will attack him, but he'll sit down with NBC, ABC,
you name it. So I'm wondering if in a way,
by seeing him so much on the air now and
willing to take questions that people believe, well, maybe you know,
maybe we can trust it a little bit more because
he's doing it live. Maybe three or disagree.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
On that's still when do it for me? Do you
know what I am wondering about?

Speaker 12 (58:02):
Though?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
That just said national media, right, yeah, so that isn't
necessarily the establishment media, And because he is allowing a
lot of non traditional media into his press conferences, maybe
it just means generally those who are reporting on national issues, yeah, right,

(58:24):
outside of that traditional mainstream media group.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Because the media, I don't think the legacy media has
not accepted the fact that the media landscape has changed again.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
No, oh, not at all. They're living in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
I don't understand all these social media these podcasts are
out there and people do listen or watch or read
a lot. They don't depend on you, you know, the
alphabet networks. We don't care. We don't care anymore, you know,
because a lot of people get their news from X. Yeah,
they get their news from you know, all these podcasts

(58:58):
that are very very popular social media contexts. That's where
they're getting their news from now. And that's why, you know,
the you know, the media hasn't accepted that when as
big as we used to be.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
That's right, They're getting their news from these other sources
in much greater numbers than they are from the legacy
media outlets, right, especially in the aggregate. We are seeing that,
and I do think, yes, they have not accepted it.
They don't understand it. It's kind of no different from
most of our politicians who do not understand how the

(59:31):
landscape has changed just in the past five years. I
would say, oh, easily, yeah, right, easily. And I think
there's a new day coming. We're in it. I think
we're in a massive shift, and I don't know how
much longer some of these legacy media outlets can survive.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, well we just we just saw the head of
CBS News yes quit today. Yeah, because she can't, she
can't follow the direction of the company anymore. She yeah, right, Yeah,
watch CBS News and I think you'll understand. I mean,
how long has it been, Carolin, since you've watched a
network newscast? Oh, I mean the traditional ABCCBSNBC newscast.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I at least fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It's been a long Well, we're on the show now.
I'm doing the show when it's on, but I don't
even watch it when I'm off on weekends. Now it's
the same stuff, and you know the angle they're taking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yes, And I do think when I was growing up,
I would watch that, and when I was much younger,
a young adult. But I do think that when kind
of right wing media, if we want to call it that,
which I consider to be more common sense media that
lays out a lot more facts rather than a narrative,

(01:00:40):
as that started to grow with people like Rush Limba,
I think what I think that's when this exposure began
where people then started questioning what had been just this
stilted narrative. Everybody was saying the same thing, so you
never realized that that was just a narrative because there
were really no alternatives.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Except for Rush. Right, except for Rush.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
And over time his following grew and more copycats right
came out and people realized that there the truth was
much broader than we had thought.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And then Donald Trump comes along and blew it all up.
He just blew it all up. He said it's fake news,
I don't believe you, blah blah blah, and he was
not afraid to call him out. And in some ways,
I think he gave other Republicans and conservatives, yes, the
courage to do the same thing, because they weren't doing
it up until the last and finally they all said,

(01:01:34):
you know, we're all to call out the media. And
you see it nationally, you see it here locally. There
are some politicians in the state, conservative lawmakers who are
not afraid to call out local media and say you've
got this wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Right, And that has just allowed people to see things
that they weren't seeing before. But it does courage, begets courage,
and it has emboldened everybody, which I think is why
there was such an effort during the Biden years and
the Trump years last time around for the tech companies
to suppress speech on the right because once we heard

(01:02:07):
other people saying it, it became easier to see and
more people started to realize what was happening.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
So you have to squash it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
You do?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
All right? More coming up final half hour the Rod
End Carolyn Show on Utah's Talk Radio one o five nine.
When we come back, we'll talk about the end could
be near for d e I. That's coming up all
right here on Talk Radio one oh five nine. Knrs.
Carolyn has just been fun, haven't you hear today? Having fun?

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I am having a great time. I may show up
tomorrow and then there just may be a battle for
who gets to enter the room with you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Rod.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, arm wrestling Bobidam.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Yeah, well that's not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Well, it's been great. But you were mentioning time goes by.
It really show three hours and you're thinking three hours.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
No, it flies, it flies, And there's so much happening
right now too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I feel well. Every day Greg and I and E.
Ray we've talked to we have a morning meeting like
we did today at eight thirty in the morning generally
where we get on the phone and we talk about
various things, what we want to talk about, and it's
pretty well sent. But so much happens during the day.
By the time we get four o'clock, we've got a
whole new show.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Yeah, truly, you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Okay, here we go again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Although I would bet you've been doing this a long time.
There are a lot of years that was not the case.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
No, you're absolutely right, don't You're right? Yeah, there have
been years. But with old Trumpster.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Ah, yeah, everything's movement, I guess, and we better be
moving quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah, because we're in trouble folks. Yes, all right, speaking
of that, let's talk about the EI. But really about
the end of on the job reverse discrimination. A very
interesting story that the Supreme Court is considering. And joining
us on our endy our newsmaker line to talk about it.
That is our good friend William Jacobson. He's professor at
Cornell Law School, also a founder of the Legal Insurrection blog.

(01:03:54):
You should check it out. Bill, How are you Welcome
to the Rodd and Carolyn Show today.

Speaker 19 (01:03:59):
Thanks thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Bill, talk about this court its aims versus Ohio. The
Supreme Court is taking a look at are now deliberating
about what is the story all about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Bill.

Speaker 19 (01:04:12):
It is a case where Ames, who was an employee
in Ohio state government, says that she was a victim
of discrimination, and she is a description of discrimination she
says against heterosexuals. She says that she was denied a
promotion in favor of a gay employee, and she also

(01:04:35):
then lost her job and was demoted and replaced by
another gay person, And she claims that they were both
unfit for the job and unqualified, and that that reflected
a bias so called LGBT bias in the administration in
that department in Ohio. Whether she's right or wrong is
really what's not an issue before the US Supreme Court.

(01:04:56):
What's at issue is there's an old rule dating back
to the early eighties created by judges which says that
if you are a majority person, white, heterosexual, you have
a higher burden of proving discrimination. So essentially, if you're
alleging what sometimes referred to as reverse discrimination, you have

(01:05:20):
an additional burden of proof that you wouldn't have if
you were a minority. So, if she were a gay
person complaining about discrimination, she wouldn't have that extra burden.
But because she's a majority person heterosexual, the courts throughout
her case because she couldn't meet this higher burden of proof,
and that's the issue which went to the Supreme Court.

(01:05:42):
It was argued in late February, and where you can
never predict, but based upon the judges questions and comments,
it looks highly highly likely that she is going to
prevail and that the rule will be established that reverse
discrimination is just crimination and it's the same burden of proof.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Yeah, you know, I really like that you when you
first started talking about this, you just called it discrimination.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Because I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
This phrase reverse discrimination is one that I always avoid
because I feel like it's a complete manipulation, right, it's
a changing of the definition without letting people know that
you've changed the definition. So this is a it sounds
like a very important case in this realm. And I'm
curious you reference this background circumstances rule that requires this

(01:06:35):
higher burden of proof for those who are not in
one of these minority classes. Is this used in every
case of discrimination? Is it used only at sometimes and
not others? Can you kind of give us more information.

Speaker 12 (01:06:50):
On that.

Speaker 19 (01:06:52):
Well, that rule, and that's why this case is so important.
This case is a discrimination against a heterosexual majority, but
the implications go beyond that. They go to race discrimination,
other types of discrimination. Because this is a rule which
is not limited really to this case.

Speaker 8 (01:07:12):
It would be a.

Speaker 19 (01:07:13):
Rule that would apply in race discrimination cases and other cases.
So if the Supreme Court rules in plain English that
reverse discrimination isn't really a thing, it's just discrimination and
it's the same burden to prove, then that's going to
have huge ramifications for employee rights, not just in this realm,

(01:07:33):
but in other areas, particularly racial discrimination.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
I want to ask you, Bill, if the Court comes
down on the side of ams in this case, how
will that change things across the country. What impact could
this have?

Speaker 19 (01:07:45):
Do you think, Bill, Well, all the cases that are
under consideration around the country where they're imposing a higher
burden on a majority person will have to be reevaluated.
I'm not sure if it would allow somebody to reopen
their case if they got tossed out based on an
incorrect interpretation of the law. I'm not sure if they'll

(01:08:07):
be able to reopen it. But most important it's moving forward.
People will be more likely to bring cases because they
have a better chance of winning, and lawyers will be
making you know, I hate to say if, but lawyers
drive a lot of the stuff. Lawyers will be more
willing to take these cases on contingency fees because they

(01:08:29):
have a level playing field. So if you're now a
minority employee, you're going to have a much better likelihood
of finding a lawyer because you have an easier burden
of proof, Whereas if you're a white employee or you're
a heterosexual employee and you've been suffering discrimination, people are
lawyers who say, you know, well, I only get paid

(01:08:51):
if I win or settle the case are going to
be less likely to take it. So I think that
you will see not a spike in new claims, but
I think it will create an atmosphere conducive to additional
claims from people. And we get the calls all the time,
we get the tips all the time, we get emails
all the time from people who say, you know, I'm
a white employee and I'm being discriminated against and nobody cares.

(01:09:15):
And I think it will change that dynamic a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah, that's interesting because I wanted to ask you about that.
You state in your article that discrimination against majority citizens
may have been an unusual event in nineteen eighty one
when this rule was created, it no longer is. So
what are you seeing as far as the differential You
just mentioned that you're seeing an increase of people who

(01:09:41):
are or a large number of people who are coming
to you with cases where they have been discriminated against
or feel that they have when they are part of
a majority group rather than a minority.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Are you receiving is there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
An increase among minority groups as well, or are there
substantially more in recent years or can you speak from
your experience to this.

Speaker 19 (01:10:07):
Well, we have a project or so Legal Insurrection is
our main website, but we have a project called the
Equal Protection Project equalprotect dot org and it's only two
plus years old, a little bit over two years old,
and we challenge discriminatory programming and scholarships in higher education.
So our focus is higher education. We've brought one hundred

(01:10:29):
cases challenging over four hundred programs. We have yet to
see a program which openly discriminates in favor of white students.
We've seen four hundred plus programs that openly discriminates against
white students. So this is pervasive, has become part of

(01:10:50):
the culture. Now again we're focused on higher ed, but
we also get since we get a lot of publicity
and you saw are op ed in the New York Post. Yes,
we get a lot lot of contacts from people and
basically the whole dei notion, the whole notion that post
George Floyd, that discrimination is okay as long as it's

(01:11:12):
against certain groups. I think you know has people know it.
Everybody knows what's going on. It's no secret, but people
are deathly afraid to speak up about it or to
bring a legal claim. This isn't going to solve that
problem if the Supreme Court rules the way we think
it will, but it's going to give people who do
choose to fight a better chance in court.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Roling expected at the end of this term, Bill, Are
you expecting something at the end of June first of July.

Speaker 19 (01:11:41):
Well, Supreme Court traditionally, I don't think it's like a rule,
but traditionally gets all their decisions done by the end
of June, and they usually save the biggest ones for last.
And I don't think this is in their mind necessarily
the biggest one. So we will get a decision by
the end of June. In this case, whether it's early
June or mid June or late June, we will get

(01:12:02):
it because it's been argued. It's argued in February, and
they're going to want to wrap this one up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Interesting story, Bill, Thank you, has always appreciate a few
minutes of your time. Enjoyed the rest of the evening
and the week. Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 19 (01:12:15):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
All right. That is William Jacobson. He's with Legal Insurrection.
Interesting interesting case, Carolyn. We'll see what happens here.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
It's about time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Oh, amen to that. It's been around for a long time.
Sure does all right? More coming up, final segment of
the Roddy and Carolyn Show on talk radio Want Oh
five nine knrs. A couple final notes. I love surveys.
They never tell the truth, but I love them all
the time. Nearly half of gen Zer's admit to Lyne

(01:12:44):
on their job applications. Oh wow, not a smart thing
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
No, not a smart thing to do. And I think
a lot of this is going to catch up with
people in ways.

Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
That they you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
But the problem is, if you were like for this company,
if someone calls and wants a reference or information on
employee who may be applying for another job. As managers,
all we can say is, yes, they work from us,
they work for us, from this state to this state. Yeah,
that's about all you can say anymore. So maybe they
feel they can get away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, Well, here's what I think. I think that it
will be more and more difficult to get away with
things with the advent of AI, and right, I describe
it as the guy who committed a rape or a
murder thirty years before DNA was discovered. I think we're
living in a world where a lot of people think
they can get away with a lot, and AI is

(01:13:38):
going to change the game pretty rapidly in ways that
are going to catch a lot of people in their dishonesty.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Yeah, AI's there. It's like the Internet. There are good
things on the Internet and horrible things on the Internet.
Same thing with AI. We've got to learn how to
deal with it, how to adjust to it. But I
think we'll be able to figure it out if the
machines don't take over.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Yeah, I'm hope. I had a big fight with AI.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Oh you did, really, it was And I have a
son who's a tech guy, and he was visiting last
week and he was kind of rather condescendingly explaining to
me how I was expecting things of AI that it
couldn't do, but it tells you it can do what
I was asking it to do. Yeah, it was cheating.
It was consistently cheating. And when I would catch it cheating,

(01:14:26):
it would apologize, acknowledge that it cheated, tell me that
it would do better next time. I'd give it the
same command again, worded a little differently.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
It kept cheating, cheating. Final note a Los Angeles. They
have a real serious homeless problem, like every major city
in this country, including Arts City here in Utah. But
a business owner has found a novel way to keep
homeless people from camping near his building. Know what he does.
He plays the song baby Shark all night long. Ah

(01:14:57):
kids used to do that baby Shark. Yeah, well he
plays it all night long.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
Oh Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Big speakers his business and they say we can't take it,
and he said it's working. I bet it is good
for him.

Speaker 8 (01:15:12):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Caroline. It has been great having you here today. Thank
you for subbing for mister Hughes. We miss him not
so much, but thank you. Love to have you back sometime.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Thank you Rod.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
All right. That does it for us tonight. As we
say each and every night, head up, shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family and this great country
of ours. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you tomorrow,
and for have a good evening.

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