The Rod and Greg Show: Dems must stop Death Wishes; No Room for Both Sides; Can the U.S. Keep its Republic?

4:20 pm: David Deavel, a contributor to AMAC and an instructor at the University of St. Thomas, joins the show for a conversation about his piece on how the Democrats need to stop spouting death wishes.  


4:38 pm: Elle Purnell, Elections Editor for The Federalist, joins the show to discuss her recent piece in which she writes there is no more room for “both sides-isms” in America.


6:38 pm: Henry Olsen, a Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, joins Rod and Greg to discuss his piece in the Washington Examiner questioning whether the U.S. can keep its Republic.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't think I got away from it as much
as I thought I would. And in my sports worlds
did not treat me very well to give me a
respite either.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, I got caught up with that because I was
looking at social media and look, I must have looked
at more than two or three dozen clips of Charlie
Kirk interacting with students. He was fascinating. I mean, you know,
I knew if Charlie I've watched a little bit, but
not to the extent of this I did this weekend. Boy,
am I impressed with this guy. This guy is wicked smart.
He has a little fun with him, occasionally picking on him,

(00:29):
but he's not mean to them. But what I love
they asked him a question, and he'll ask a question
right back, and that starts the thinking process. And I
think I've got just a little inkling as to why
young people really like Charlie.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Kirk, you know. And yes, and as I watched this
more and I think it was my young my adult
children in their twenties, that helped me understand the gravity
of this more. And I again, he was going to
be a guest. We were trying to get him on
this show. He was communicating with center Lee. We know
Charlie Kirk, we know the good work he's done. I've
been aware of turning Point USA for a very long time,

(01:06):
but I did not know to the extent that he
wanted to have these thoughtful conversations. And the most bizarre
part is for a person who if you disagreed with him,
he wanted you to come to the front of the line. Yeah,
how do you got to come? Students? Don't if you're
a right of center student on a campus in America today,
you're not getting in front of any line to have
a conversation or ask a hard question. He was doing this,

(01:27):
and this is the person that these leftists wanted to
call a Nazi, a fascist, a misogynist, a racist, to bigot,
it goes on and on, and this is the guy
that was actually bringing diversity of thought to campus? Is
this one guy? And I just find I find it
to be incredibly sad that he has been painted with
such a terrible brush that is early the opposite of

(01:50):
what his mission really was.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, I as I watched all the events this weekend
with protests and comments being made, I think the world
as is right now and as crazy as it's ever been,
I really do. I mean, you see so many people
losing their jobs going online social media. Protect this guy.
This guy down in Phoenix was a yesterday or Saturday

(02:13):
trumping through, stepping all over the memorial to Charlie Kirk
outside the tp USA offices down there. I love the
fact that it was a y fan. Apparently fut yank
him out. People started grabbing him. He got caught by police.
But great. They they've lost They've gone cuckoo. I mean
they really, I don't know what it is about this,

(02:35):
They've gone nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
There's someone who's been trying to archive all these different
celebrations from Again, these aren't generations. These are people that
hold positions of trust in our country, whether they're airline pilots,
they're doctors there. I mean, it's just the list goes
on and on. It's really disturbing. Secret Service agent from Colorado. Yeah,
it goes members of the military. It goes on for

(02:56):
so long. I just think that to to point out
your crazy times, I'm anti murder, Okay, that's my call.
Think I'm anti murder, and I don't say i'm anti
I don't condition that I'm not anti murder. Hinging on
your opinions politically or what party affiliation you may have.
I'm against murder, yeah, and that is not a universally

(03:18):
accepted position any longer. If you watch, if we're seeing
how this is rolling out right now, there are people
that are including the former mayor of Salt Lakes. We'll
read who says, you know, we don't like it happen.
But and once the butt begins, he's a vile human.
And he goes on and on and on. Sounds kind
of like you're okay with it, you know, Rocky, sounds
like you're a little okay with it. When after you

(03:40):
say we shouldn't condone it, you spend you know, eight
more sentences telling everyone what worthless, horrible human being this was.
It's a cross signal at the least.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, well, let's share with you just a portion. Carson
Jorgensen posted this. We know Carson former ahead of the
Utah Republican Party. But here's what good old Rocky Anderson post.
Charlie Kirk should not have been killed. But there's the butt.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know what they say about ans and butts. If
you use a butt anything before that, pay no attentions
exactly so you pay no attention to what he said.
But he goes on to say he lived a disgraceful,
hateful life as a racist, a liar, a man afraid
of strong competent women. Are you killing me, Rocky? Then
he ends it, I find the killing abominable, but don't

(04:29):
honor the vile, cruel, bigoted public life he lived.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, and the abominable cruel. And again, this is the
guy who wanted to put people in line to have
questions and have debate because there's a lot of people
like this show, this program. We if he thinks that
of Charlie Kirk, what do you think of the Roden
greg Show? Because we're not lining up liberals to come
talk to us. We don't do that on this Yes,

(04:54):
we have we have the right conservative, we have the
correct opinion, we have the correct breakdown of the news
going on in the day. But of all the people
you're going to demonize, and the scary part for all
these leftists that are doing this, they are either celebrating
it or excusing this murder, this assassination for the reasons
that you say it's okay or the reasons why you're celebrating.

(05:14):
Do you understand that people could disagree with you and
that they could actually use that same decision tree, and
we would be into absolute chaos as a society if
people applied what you're applying to Charlie Kirk and those
that are conservative and we're not. But they haven't really
thought that through. That if they think you have an
opinion that's so abhorrent that you being killed is actually okay.

(05:37):
What if I think that opinion of yours isn't okay?
What if I apply the same reaction that they're applying,
it wouldn't go well. And they're not mature enough or
intellectually thoughtful enough to know that what they're saying is
just indefensible. It is indefensible, and it erodes this country,
erodes the morality When was murder a political position? Because

(06:00):
it is murder that they're excusing it is.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
It is well. And Charlie Kirk, if you listen to
enough of his interactions with students, and Greg did over
the weekend, I did as well. Charlie has two things
on his side. I think Greg truth fact and everybody
who challenged him, he'd have truth and he'd have fact.
He didn't make this stuff up. Charlie knew what he
was talking about, and that's why I think that that's

(06:23):
why I think those on the left greg couldn't handle it.
They didn't know how to respond because he had the truth,
and he had facts to back up the truth, and
that's what he had.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I knew he was a man of faith, but that
his every belief he has is so steeped in the
Gospel in the mid Christ that I did not understand
how he was sharing that in his testimony every time
he had an opportunity in these political discussions, and why
they weren't polar opposites, and why they informed His political
beliefs were informed by his faith, his his devout faith.

(06:55):
It's it's moving, and it is it had moved young people.
I've got some clips here of audiences that you would
think the last thing on earth they'd want to hear
about is is the Savior and the Spirit everything else.
And he is in a podcast with women that you
know put this fans only you know, pornographic stuff on

(07:15):
and you'd think that wouldn't be the right venue for this.
The clip is amazing, and that podcast really regretted his
passing and wrote some nice things about.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Him, Well, I want to get you caught up first
of all, on the investigation as well, because Zabbi was
reporting a moment ago. The Washington Post claims that the
guy responsible for this confessed to it and he said, whoops,
I guess I'm the one who did this, right. Dan
Bongino this morning said the FBI is now investigating several
seven people for alleged knowledge about the Kirk murder. This

(07:48):
is what Bongino said on Fox and Friends this morning.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
There appeared to have been multiple warning signs you just
laid out some of them. There were people in his network,
friends and family who had stated that he had become
more political, that he had become at some parts. I
believe some of his coworkers had stated that he had
kind of detached himself when the topic of politics came

(08:14):
up and walked away from them. Family members said he'd
become more political, leading us to believe that this ideology
had infected him and had taken over, and he was
just intent. It appears from the data we've accumulated and
the channel and that note, which we have some evidence

(08:34):
may have existed before based on the communications in that channel,
that his target was obviously going to be Charlie and
that people knew in advanced the question.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, according to the Washington Free Beacon this afternoon, Greg
It has the exclusive on this, several different posts were made,
some over a month in advance, indicating they knew Kirk
would be murdered. In some cases, the specific date of
September tenth was pointed out, So something was going on
out there.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
You got a sense of that when the roommate and
I use their quotes there because we've learned more about
that that relationship. When he was able to provide to
investigate federal authorities and maybe local law enforcement, the text
messages of a gun that was dropped that needed to
be picked up, his watching for that, changing his clothes.
It seemed as that was reported to us that those

(09:26):
were answers when asked, not voluntarily proffered or someone coming forward.
And if they he didn't voluntarily profer that, then those
are things he knew and knew what that gun would
have been about before he was approached by federal and
local law enforcement, and that would be a problem. Yeah,
I gotta believe that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I don't think this investigation is over yet, far from it.
I believe we can only hope get to the bottom
of this. All right, We've got a lot to talk
about when we come back. Democrats must stop their death wishes.
We'll get into that. It's great to be with you
on this Monday afternoon. It is the Rotten Gregg Show
and Talk Radio one oh five nine can.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
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Speaker 2 (10:08):
Is a time to put an end to both sides?
Is because that's what's going on in this country right now.
We'll talk about that, but right now, let's talk about
the Democrats death wish Is it time to put a
stop to those as well. Joining us on our newsmaker
line to talk about it is our good friend David Devil.
David's an instructor at the University of Saint Thomas, a
senior contributor also to The Imaginative Conservative. David, how are you.

(10:30):
Welcome back to the Rotten Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Thanks for having me, David. I started the show off
today and looking at the events since last Wednesday, especially
over the Ekendal, all these vile comments being made about
the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I've never seen I've lived
quite a long time. I don't know if I recall
the world being as crazy as it is right now.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
Agree or disagree, David, Well, yeah, I mean, I think
we're really into a time where people are truly hateful,
and unfortunately it comes out in public.

Speaker 8 (11:02):
On the side of the left, they feel no compunction
about rejoicing in a man's death, celebrating it, justifying it.
And it's quite terrifying because it's not just sort of anonymous,
random people on the Internet, but instead it's people using
their own names who are involved in medicine, in education,

(11:26):
in law enforcement, and it really makes people feel as
though they can't trust people whom they really should be
able to trust.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Does this surprise you? We do the show every day,
and I'm going to tell you that the narration you
just shared of the people in positions of trust and
not just Generation Z. We're talking adults saying things that
I would think you'd want to go see a counselor
and admit to a counselor privately that you had such
dark thoughts. Is they're being said so openly and so brazenly.

(11:57):
Have you been surprised over this? Weekend, the kind of
sentiment that's been expressed.

Speaker 8 (12:03):
Yeah, yeah, I really am surprised. I mean, I know
people kind of can make these comments, you know, in
the case of a close call like the Trump assassination,
and there's a little bit of that sort of gallows talk.
But when a man who is brutally shot and it's
filmed and the footage is everywhere, to sit there and say, well,

(12:24):
he deserved it is really terrifying. And unfortunately when it
comes from people who, as I say, people in whom
we put our trust for our health or for our
children's education, the message can only be and I would
be happy if it happened to you, And that really
is shocking in a serious way.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I think, you know.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
The worst thing was actually not in the US, but
in Canada, where a teacher forced her children in her
class to watch a video of Kirk being shot many,
many times. And that's just sick.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
David. I want to ask you, this has changed and
the story has developed now, but the fact that this
and you're right about this, This nurse in New Jersey
who pointed out that a doctor in the hospital was
making these comments about Charlie Kirk. She was the end
the one who ended up being fired. Now since then
she's been reinstated. But what does that say about people

(13:21):
are saying, wait a minute, this is going way too far.

Speaker 8 (13:25):
Well, I think what it says is there's a reason
why conservatives are not playing around this time, and they're saying,
all right, you never apologize for cancel culture in which
people lost their jobs for relatively innocuous things or refusing
to say somebody's made up pronouns. You never apologized, you
never tried to make amends, and and you're still ready

(13:47):
to do it at this moment when somebody complains that
a bariatric surgeon says in front of nurses and indeed
a patient on a stretcher, that Charlie Kirk deserved it.
So you know this is I you know, I tell
my liberal friends, you know you want to sort of
tell people to calm down. Well, you never stop doing this,

(14:07):
and you haven't stopped doing it now. And it's only
because of the outcry that it seems that something has
changed at this hospital. Otherwise, a woman who complains about
this horrific behavior is the one who gets punched.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Professor rhtt This is my fear if if those that
would say, well, everyone's doing it. It's everybody, it's all sides.
If there are people out there from the left, they're
able to spread the blame around, make sure that everybody
thinks it's just America generally that has this big problem
and we're not identifying it accurately from coming from the left,
which it is. Doesn't dad give them the political cover

(14:43):
to continue to do what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I think it does. I think it does.

Speaker 8 (14:47):
A lot of people made a big deal out of
these comments made by Brian Kilnead on Fox News that were,
you know, pretty horrific. I don't know whether he actually
meant to simply say that the murder of Arena Zaruska
in in Charlotte, the homeless man should be executed, but
he seemed to say that all, you know, all homeless

(15:07):
people should be uh should be basically euthanized. And the
problem with that is is that I didn't see anybody
supporting him on the conservative side. Some said he was misunderstood,
but for those for those who thought that he was
not misunderstood, it was universal condemnation. But that's not what
you get on the left side of the aisle these days,

(15:29):
and just this afternoon, I saw that a very large
left wing podcaster, uh, Stephen Bannell, who's known as Destiny
basically is still saying, you know what, we need to
make sure that that conservatives are afraid to go to
events that they might die. So, you know, no matter
what the kind of the big wigs like Jonathan Chate

(15:50):
and the Atlantic magazine say there's a real problem here
and it's continuing, and uh, you know, it's it's got
to be stopped or there's going to be serious problems.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
David, those of us who agree with Charlie Kirk and
have strong conservative values, are we speaking out strong enough?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Now?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Do we need to speak out even stronger?

Speaker 8 (16:12):
Well, you know, I think this is the thing. We
cannot be afraid to speak and we cannot let these
intimidating words, uh you know, caw us into going, you know,
going silent, as so many did during the high the
high peak of the woke era. But I think you
know this is this is the thing, is that people
are going to keep complaining and saying you set a

(16:32):
standard for behavior during the during the period in which
you had the power, and you canceled us for nothing.
Now you're really doing something we're gonna We're going to
hold you to the same standards, and I think I
think it's fair to do that. I'm sure some people
you know on the right will go overboard, and some are.
But I don't think that we can let up on

(16:53):
the pressure because if we don't, then that that's just
a sign that they're going to keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
David is all. He's great chatting with Thanks for a
few minutes of your time today.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
David, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Thank you all right on our newsmaker line, David Devil,
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Speaker 1 (17:32):
I'm Rod Archette, I'm a citizen, Greg Hughes.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Now, before we went on the air during the three
o'clock hour, we always have the five from Fox News
up to the studio because it's a very entertaining show.
Who did Gutfeld ever go after Jessica Tarlov today and
it was all about both sides. Iss.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, he's he's walking a razor's edge, right, now he
is emotionally very very upset about this, and she hit
the wrong button. I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, Well, I think we're all getting sick and tired
of this, Greg, Well, you guys do it.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah. I will compare it to someone who cuts their
grass once a week and then a professional landscaper. Okay,
you're going to find people that write a center that
have done and said crazy things and done bad things.
But the frequency and the volume that we're seeing from
the left, nobody's going to convince me or trick me
into thinking that we're just all in it to get
it's all the same. It just isn't. It just is not.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, are you sick of what they call both sides isms?
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that
right now is l Pernell. L is the elections editor
of the Federalist.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
El.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Great to have you back on the show and let's
talk about this. But I want to talk to you. You know,
Greg and I were talking earlier today on the show
Elle about we've been watching over the weekend a lot
of the clips, the exchanges between you know, Charlie Kirk
on campus, is some very questions being made in your opinion.
What made Charlie Kirk so effective.

Speaker 9 (18:55):
There's a million answers to that question. He was one
of the most effective people on the right, and you know,
one of the I think underrated things about that is
he was so good at knowing what would put points
on the boards, knowing how to be effective, where to
focus his efforts. You know, we have this kind of
of refashioning of the movement on the right away from

(19:19):
establishment tropes and into this kind of really intellectually vibrant base,
and Charlie Kirk was one of the most important people
for shaping what that space was going to look like,
helping to fashion the dialogue in a way that was smart,
in a way that was compelling, and really kind of

(19:40):
as one of the statesmen of the emerging Right coalition.
And he did it with this clarity that was so refreshing.
He wasn't worried about throat clearing like so many people
on the right are. Even in the wake of his death,
so many on the right, unfortunately, talking about the horrendous murder.

(20:03):
You know, have this this feeling that they have to
start off by saying, well, political violence is an issue
on the right too, and there's just absolutely no comparison.
So I think his moral clarity, uh to give you
a two word answer. He had it in Sade, and
we all need to emulate that.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
You know, I'm so glad that you wrote this column
and that you're pointing this out because this both sides argument,
I fear allows the left, which I think violence is
part of, is a tactic. It's not a problem they have,
it's a tactic they deploy. If we try to water
this down and say, well, let's both sides, doesn't that
give them a clear lane to keep doing what they're doing,
because it's been thet they have some kind of political

(20:41):
cover that it's somehow everyone.

Speaker 10 (20:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (20:44):
So, I mean, there's really not a good way for
the left to spend this. Someone who was radicalized by
their ideology, who literally engraved his bullets with the same
kind of language that the entire left uses to detegrate
people like Charlie. There's no good way for them to
spin this. And so the way they are trying to

(21:05):
spin it is to say, well, this is just a
small symptom of this larger picture where there's political violence
and it's kind of a both sides problem, and that
is completely disingenuous. There's no right wing equivalent of this
entire infrastructure on the left of whether it's Antifa cells

(21:28):
or all of these organizations that you have this funding
pipeline to these radical groups, you have the media radicalizing
people with their language, and there's just no right wing
equivalent to this kind of pipeline to radical political violence
on the left. And there's also no right wing equivalent

(21:51):
of the reaction that we've seen from the left. I mean,
set aside. It is true that when you see this
kind of thing happen, is always happening from the left,
but the reaction really has been one of the most
clarifying things about the least at large. You know, this
isn't the kind of thing where they can say this
is a one off crazy guy. You have untold numbers

(22:13):
of people who are publicly celebrating Charlie's murder. They're publicly
justifying it, repeating lies about him in supporting his murder.
And so that's one of the most clarifying things we've
had in the past couple of days, just seeing all
these people who their teachers, their nurses, their administrators, they

(22:36):
work it off a steep out. You know, these people
on on the right rallying around this act of political violence.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
I'm going to ask, sorry the left.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I was going to ask you all, it's been less
than a week since he was shot and killed, and
how are conservatives right now doing in this fight against
both sides? Side is are we waging a good battle?
Is a tour to tail? Are we stepping up and
saying no, you're to blame not us.

Speaker 9 (23:06):
Well, it depends on who you're talking about. We've had
a lot of good reactions, a lot of very smart
people who are talking about, Okay, let's strategize, how are
we going to fight against this behemoths of left wing
political violence. But you've also had Republicans maybe they're conservatives,
maybe not, who have had a very disappointing response. You
had Senator Tom Tillis who he used the words cheap, disgusting,

(23:30):
and awful. And when he used those words, he wasn't
describing the assassination of Charlie Kirk or the left wing
celebration of it. He was describing people on the right
who are angry and who reacted by saying, you know,
this is war, this is this is a war. And
so you know you have people you have Democrats in Congress,
like Representative elan Omar, who are engaging in the in

(23:54):
the celebrations about Charlie's murder, and so far Republicans in
the House haven't really done anything about it. So so
you can really see and you can tell a lot
about a person by the way that they are reacting.
Are they kind of just trying to calm everybody down,
call for unity with you know, there's no unity with

(24:14):
people who want you dead. And then you have these
other people on the right who are having smart conversations
about how do we get to the root of this problem.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
So we're I don't know what Senator Tillis is talking about,
because you and I think we're on the anti murder caucus.
I think we just don't. We don't support murder without
regard to people's personal opinions or political affiliation, we don't
support murder. Are you surprised as I am? I feel
like we pay attention on this program every day, we're
playing close attention. I was unprepared for the volume of people.

(24:46):
And you've mentioned this of public trust. Adults not Generation Z,
who are excusing at least or praising at worst, the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, this murder for his opinions because
he spoke. Did that catch you off guard or were
you did you? Were you aware that this is this
pervasive and this deep these sentiments.

Speaker 9 (25:08):
Well, I think it surprised everyone. I also think this
is why one of the several reasons why Charlie's murder
felt so personal for people, even people who didn't know
him personally or didn't even follow his work closely, because
they saw members of their community celebrate Charlie's death because

(25:29):
he believed the same thing that they believe that these
people you know watching in horror believe so. And I
think that hits people in a different way because they
see their neighbors celebrating and they think, Oh, my neighbors
think Charlie deserved death for his beliefs. What do they
think about me? Why do they have no reason to
think anything other than that about me? So I think

(25:52):
it has been a huge wakeup call for people just
how entrenched so many of the people that they living
community with are in this ideology.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
And I think people need to step up. Call out
your friends when they post on Facebook spreading lies and
libel about Charlie or celebrating his murder. Reach out if
you if your kid's teacher is celebrating it, reach out
to the school.

Speaker 12 (26:16):
You know, make a.

Speaker 9 (26:19):
Make some noise about it.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
El Pernell from the Federalist talking about the both sides,
is you know, the only the only the defense those
on the left half right now, Greg as, well, you
guys did it. I know that's really all the defense.
How do you defend a guy who was plotting to
kill somebody and killed the guy? How do you defend
something like that?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well you don't. They try. But what makes them even,
what makes even more irrational is as soon as they
found out that he had parents that were conservative or
potentially Trump supporters, then they tried to rid him and say, O, no,
that's a Republican. Well, if you're so happy with it,
if you were celebrating it, you were excusing it. And
now you're saying, well, it's not anyone that was left
of center, it's actually these Republicans that grew up in

(27:00):
than Washington County. Why are you trying to say that
it's somehow he's a Republican white supremacist. If you're happy
with what he did, it just again, I just don't
find it to be thoughtful at all. I just think
they're just grasping.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It doesn't ring true. More coming up on the Rot
and Greg show and Talk Radio one oh five nine
can rs you found one? Greg? And you know everyone's
talking about free speech and what has happened to free
speech in this country? About Charlie Kirk talking about free speech.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, this is a student that got in line, waited
and said, I get so much grief from everybody that
you're such a rotten person, but you're clearly not. So
are you actually doing this the right way? Is there
a different way you should do it? This was his response,
And I.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Read that there was some op ed journalists where they
said ignore Charlie, you know, ignore him. Well, what they're
saying is that they are not either smart enough or
they're not intellectually mature enough to have a discussion with
a conservative on any issue. I have literally almost no notes.
I like a couple of charts to show you if
the topics come up, you guys can use AI, you
guys can use graw, whatever you want. You could bring up, professor,

(28:02):
You could bring five of your top libs together debate me, right, Yeah,
right other thid thank you, and you guys can debate
me at any time. I failed to understand why. Well,
actually I know the reason. Speech is not a left
wing value, and they do not believe in freedom of speech.
They believe in totalitarian control. There are exceptions to that.

(28:23):
So if they have a problem, I think this is
one of the best ways, not the best way. I
literally could not be more open to disagreement. I say,
if you disagree, you go to the front of the line.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, And I like that. Disagree, go to the front
of the line. Bill Maher and Jay Lennel over the
weekend talked about this free speech issue. We haven't got
time to play it after a news update, will play Greg.
But you know, Bill Maher basically said, those on the
right will always talk to you, They'll always have a
conversation with you. Those on the left, they'll shun you,

(28:53):
they won't talk to you.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I think Bill Maher got a bit of that after
he met with Trump and he came out and said,
I had this lunch at dinner, and I got to
tell you that maybe off boy, did he ever get
it bad? And so I think he has lived through
a little bit without.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Himself yeah, and we want to talk more to you
a lot. What's done over the weekend. You saw a
lot going on. We're going to open up the phones
to you and talk about some of the thoughts on
your mind. You know, somebody raised a question today, why
are people taking this so personal? You and I am Greg?
You are I am well. I hear from you as well,
So all rus get too. How our number two of
the Rod and Greg Show, honest way to stay with us.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
One of the things to consider. One of the things
that I did in Rod seems to we watched a
lot of clips. I watched a lot of clips. I
got to learn a little bit more about what this debate.
I was aware of it. I knew he was doing it.
I was I was particularly focused on what those debates,
how they were structured. What was there a battle of
ideas or what was it? Because you have such horrific

(29:56):
descriptions of Charlie Kirk coming from the left, I wanted
to see, but what the truth was? Go to the
source material, as Elon Musk likes to say. And then
you know, and you've asked a question, Rod, where do
you go from here? And how do you respond with
what we know now in maybe a stronger way than
we have before something.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Like this happened. Yeah. Well, the question I have is
the including our own governor and a lot of politicians
out there, Greg, are saying we need to turn down
the heat. I don't know if I'm ready to turn
down the heat yet, because I'm so sick and tired
of the left and their death wishes, and they've been talking.
I mean, Donald Trump has been called a Nazi for
how much ten years now? Yes, ten years now. You know,

(30:39):
we got to get and we played a montage of
the leaders of the Democratic movement out there calling for
eliminating Donald Trump. You know, I'm not ready to turn
down the heat because I think we've got to put
the heat with truth in fact, right in the lap
of the Democrats, right in the lap of the left,
because they aren't going to back down. They are going

(30:59):
to you know, We've got you know, we've got pilots, teachers,
healthcare workers, you name it, mocking Charlie Kirk all have
been fired. But that's not going to stop.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Him, and many have not at all.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, it's not going to stop him. Greg. So my
question is, you know, are you ready to turn down
the heat and have a civil conversation. You can't. And
you played down SoundBite before we went to the break
with Charlie Kirk. I want to play two more. Okay,
this is Bill Maher. He was doing his podcast and
he was talking about dealing with people on the left
and the right. Listen to this.

Speaker 13 (31:31):
And Charlie Kirk was a guy who, like he was
always talking, and I talked to him here. You know,
the right wingers say what you want about them, but
they talk to you. They're not into this leftist think
that the left really has much more of a I
don't talk to you, I don't want to deal with you.

(31:52):
You're deplorable. I can't break bread with you. Yea that
attitude And like all the right wingers, they don't have
that attitude.

Speaker 11 (32:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
And I think those on the left have looked down
their noses on conservatives for so long, Greg, Oh, you
gun leaning? You know what what did what Obama collum
bible thumping, gun eating people or whatever it was something
like that. They have looked clinging to their guns. They
have looked down those of us on the right for
so long. And and Charlie Kirk was one who went

(32:25):
right into the the you know, the lion's mouth, so
to speak. The lions den and said okay, let's have
a conversation, and he would disarm them so quickly they
did not know how to handle it. Listen to Jay
Leno Jay Leno, he was on Tim Conway's show on
KFI and iHeartRadio station in Los Angeles talking about free speech.
Listen to what Jay said.

Speaker 14 (32:45):
It's not a random shooting. I mean, it's a death
of free speech. They think that you are so illiterate
and so stupid you can't answer verbally and you have
to shoot somebody with a gun to quote win the argument.
You know, when I was in the school, Lively debate
was unbelievable. Have the sps, the students and democratic society

(33:07):
debate somebody else?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, you had. You had Lively debates when I was
going to school. Don't have those anymore. The only one
who would do it would be Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 14 (33:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
And in a venue where you are given you are
allowed to come to the front of the line if
you have a disagreement, called me wrong, and and that's
where you're being shot. In a in a venue and
an opportunity like that I'll tell you this. I just
saw this on the line. I liked. I like good
news too. Over thirty two thousand requests to start new

(33:35):
chapters after the assassination of Charlie Kirk of the Tipping
Point USA, and in institutions of higher learning and hopefully
even in high schools. But thank goodness. I mean, I
hope that there is a that this youth movement, it's
important for kids to get at a diversity of thought.
And I love the idea that there have been thirty
two thousand requests to start new chapters across this country.

(33:59):
And I'll tell you if you heard it Charlie Kirk's
wife on Friday, there's some there's a strength of will
there and she was worried how this would move forward.
But with her it gives me confidence that Charlie Kirk's
work will not won't won't end.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, Well, lines are open to you right now.
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
eight eight age five seven o eight zero one zero.
We've got a lot to talk about, Greg and I
I think it's kind of been the weekend education of
Frauday and Greg is Charley Kirk? Did you do the
same thing. What are your thoughts on that? Why are
you taking this so personal? Oftentimes people say an attack

(34:36):
on Donald Trump is an attack on everyone who supported him, right,
do you have the same feeling? Are you taking this
as personally when it comes to attacking Donald Trump as
the Charlie Kirk shooting? Are you are you taking this personally?

Speaker 11 (34:49):
You know?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So, there's a lot out there. We want to get
your opinions on it. Eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound
two fifty and say hey, Rod, to the phones we go.
We begin in Pleasant Rove with Rick Tonight. Rick, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 15 (35:05):
Hi, guys, I heard you ask earlier Rod, the speaker
you were talking to, if we've become a less friendly society,
if we've become worse? And Ronald Reagan's daughter put up
a post online that said, when my father got shot,
everything came all the political rhetoric came to a pause

(35:28):
for three or four days, and the whole country just
rallied around my father. And you remember his famous comment
in the hospital, I hope one of you guys are Republicans.
And the surgeon said today we all are. And her
comment was, the Kirk family hasn't had that and it's
a shame because it mattered. So I thought you got

(35:52):
two data points now, right, and the President Reagan was shot.
How we pulled together then? And there was plenty of
people who didn't like Reagan? Yes, man, what happened now?
There was no less division, I think, but there was
more civility.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Rick, What do you think the difference is? I mean,
you make a very good point because I remember when
Reagan shot? Are we shot? And everybody's saying, oh, we've
got to pull for the president. Now they're almost cheering
that Charlie Kirk got shot and killed. What do you
think the difference is? What has happened to us in
one forty years now?

Speaker 15 (36:29):
It's got to be the social media. It's got to
be I mean, it's we say it's so flagrantly like, oh,
keyboard warriors are sitting in their mom's basement and stuff.
But you know, a polite society is a society that
has to stand face to face with each other. When
you can be in the shadows digitally speaking, you know

(36:52):
you'll say things. I'm going to try to say something
that might get me cut off. But I understand why
some people would look at Charlie Kirks, some people on
the left and look at Charlie Kirks's death as an
advancement of their side. Do you understand what I mean? Strategically,

(37:14):
pieces one of the pieces are exactly And I would
not be honest with you if I had heard that
someone of the other side, uh, a radical type, had
lost their lives in a plane crash. Maybe on the

(37:35):
inside my mind would have gone to a place of well,
the person who was just responsible for all the youth
boats as out of our way. That might be good
for us, but we never would I never would have.
There used to be some decorum even in Congress. Now
you've got this this, but what's her name, Elan? She's

(37:56):
using language, she's using language that know older States person.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Whatever you use, Yeah, Rick, thank you, Jasmine Crockett, same way,
that's right. You can freely drop f bombs anytimes she wants.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
And he's right. The things that you would say out loud,
and then you're getting lights and likes and affirmations for
things that you would have maybe thought and maybe even
felt guilty thinking. And maybe that is the dynamics. That's
changing very quickly. Let's go to David and Farmington. David,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Hello.

Speaker 16 (38:29):
Yeah, I am not going to turn the heat up myself.
I'm not going to keep it up. I am going
to follow Charlie's example. I am going to turn it
down and just keep to debating and using facts and truth.
And you know, that's what he would want, That's what
Jesus would want. And Charlie was so good at following
the example of Jesus in how he handled those who

(38:52):
came against him.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's a good point. I mean, I don't know about you, Greg,
there's a part of me he says, turn up the heat.
But I also and understand what Charlie was saying, and
he wouldn't want you to turn up the heat.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Here's the irony of my life. I think that in
my public service and working with Democrats, growing up in
a neighborhood and in a community in Pittsburgh where everybody
was Democrat and actually liking Republicans as a kid, and
I feel like I have had those discussions that have
not been filled with hate and and that that people
that Democrats, I got to work with, would always say

(39:26):
to me, you're not like I thought, and what they
were they weren't saying that that they were. What they
were actually saying is you're not as bad of a
guy as I thought you were, Like we were all
like we all thought you were. I don't have the
desire to continue in that vein. I have the desire
to protect people like our last caller who want to
have those debates. But I want the monsters to go
back in the holes they came from. I want to

(39:47):
be the one to call them out, to shine bright
lights on those and let those demons go back and
hide instead of being out there pummeling the public way
they are currently. That's that's I have a very different,
a strange reaction. It's it's I'm just sharing my gut,
my gut here. But I subscribe to what Charlie Kirk
has done, and I feel like in some way that

(40:10):
was a path that I loved and embraced. I don't
feel like that now. I want to I want to stop,
and not by violence physical. I want to say I
am anti murder without regard to your opinions or your
political affiliations, and if you have if you can't say
that back to me, then you are the demon that
needs to go back into the hell hole you came from.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
A lot more comments come in your way eight eight
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The guy who shot and killed Charlie Kirk confessed online

(40:54):
saying quote it was me, but of course the investigators
are not commentating on that will be charged officially tomorrow.
We understand charges will be announced at noon tomorrow and
we'll be following that story all day tomorrow. But a
lot went on this weekend. We continued to try and
process what's going on in this country with the assassination
of Charlie Kirk. Let's go back to the phones. Eight

(41:15):
eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Greg, Yeah, let's go to Peyton, who's in Ogden. I
was on hold. Thank you Peyton for holding, and welcome
to the Run and Greg Show.

Speaker 17 (41:26):
Thank you for having me. I'd like to premise this,
which is saying that I'm a college to and I
am kind of a democrat, but when I heard about
the assassination, I was very distraught. I personally believe no
one deserves to, you know, be murdered or shot or anything.
And I'm honestly angry. No one like Charlie Kirk. He's

(41:46):
a decent guy. He had you know, he was strong
by his opinions. There are a lot of respect for him,
and I just think as a country we need to
just kind of, you know, come together and just be like, Okay,
you know, the issue is just political violence, and we
should focus more on stopping and making it more of
a free speech country.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Peyton, I want to thank you for calling, sir, because
I think it's important for me to hear personally someone
who might not have agreed with Charlie Kirk his his worldview,
but that did see the value in having someone and
certainly doesn't condone violence.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
So thank you for your Yeah, Peyton, I got a
quick question for you. What is a kind of a democrat?
Here comes sorry, Peyton, what's a kind of a democrat?

Speaker 17 (42:31):
Well, so, I'm I've done a lot of research on
politics and stuff throughout my teenage high school years, and
I looked towards something called the political compass, which is
just like a extra way to measure political stuff, and
like I fall in with like if we were going

(42:51):
down a list of each party's value, I would fall
in with more democratic values.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
So I just like, yeah, yeah, you're kind of okay,
all right, Yeah, yeah, we'll take that.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Peyton's to the show. So I think he's.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Saying, yeah, it's kind of smart. Guy. Let's go to
the phones Mike in Utah County tonight, Mike, how are
you welcome to the Routing Greg show.

Speaker 18 (43:16):
Oh, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
And so my.

Speaker 18 (43:21):
My stance is I'm registered independent. My wife's a registered independent.
She leans left, II leen more right, and our kids
each have their own uh vary as well. And I decided,
with Charlie Kirk coming in town that i'd go watch him.
And I had never been to one of these type

(43:43):
of events before, and that was a dozen steps from
him when that shot was fired, watching it at him
as as he was shot, and watching the effects of that,
and as we eventually, uh you know, we had to
crouch down and stay there for a little bit, and
then they had us, you know, because we were in
the front, and then they had us starting to evacuate,

(44:05):
and we're walking over his blood trail, you know, and
and I look at you know, after that, you know,
we're over there, you know, praying off to the side
and everything and just trying to you know, what the heck,
you know, and trying to get some sort of piece
in the chaos, you know. And one of the things,
you know, over the last year, so I started watching

(44:28):
some of Charlie's videos prior to the election and everything,
and I agree with quite a bit of what he says.
And the one thing, you know, when dialogue stops, that's
when violence starts, you know. And unfortunately we saw that
happen and talking about the horrific scene, you know, and

(44:50):
we can't stop the dialogue, I mean, whether whether you
agree with some or not, as long as you can
talk without screaming, without yelling, without the hate, you know.
And and unfortunately, I just see the unfortunately, while the
leadership on the upper leadership on the left, where they're saying,
you know, I want to go ahead and take him,

(45:13):
I'm taking behind the behind the gym, and I'd go
ahead and you know, beat that. Yeah, and then you know,
and you know, get in their faces and stuff. It's
like that's what's coming from the left. And it's like,
you know, as much as i'd reis, I'm a registered
independent and everything, and and my wife I discussed, you know,
and we talk and about policies, not necessarily the people.

(45:35):
And then I look, well, whose policies aligned best and
who has had this vote And unfortunately it seems like,
I mean, look what happened after Charlie died, vigils, prayers,
you know, people going back to church. I haven't been
in church in twenty.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Years, right, that is true.

Speaker 18 (45:54):
Actually, I look what happens, and it was love and
and my son, he's a deputy, but he had to
be called out to all these other riots in the past.
When something doesn't go the way the left wants it.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Right, they're riot. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Sorry to cut
you off, Mike, We've got to get to a break
and more callers coming up here in the Roden Gregg Show.
But he's right, I mean, Utah, and I think around
the country as well, there have been vigils, respectful that
we haven't seeing cars burning or buildings burning down or
police being attacked. That's the way you respond.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
And actually the only thing I've seen is people tramping
through them or trying to kick him over or trying
to disrupt him. I've seen that, but I've not seen
any writing as a result of what's happened here, even
though we're all mourning collectively.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
All right, We've got a lot of calls and talkback
comments to get to. So stay with us as the
Roding Greg Show rolls along on this Monday and Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
People have been patiently waiting, waiting for a while, so
let's go. Let's just jump right in. Let's go to
Skyler and Harriman. Skyler, welcome, Thank you for holding and
welcome to the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Hey, thanks for having me out in.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Greg, thanks for waiting and thanks for joining us.

Speaker 8 (47:08):
Yeah, no problem. So you asked a caller a bit
ago why he thought there was so much division, and
you know, there's a reason that above all things, Charlie
Kirk shared the Gospel and we find an enemy that
is not flesh and blood, and I just want people
to remember that. And if they don't know that, there's

(47:29):
a lot of awesome churches where they can learn about that,
but that was the most important thing to him and
for a reason.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, yeah, thank you Skyler. And he openly talked about it.
He wasn't afraid to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
He'd say, hey, you know, go to church, find a faith,
go to church, get married, have kids, and you tell
the kids into college and don't party to oblivion. He said,
you know, good good advice, good good good. Yes, Yeah, Okay,
let's keep going. Let's go to KOI in Riverdale. KOI.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having me on. You know,
I was just thinking about how this all comes about.
And I feel like, you know, our side is the
non crazy side, where the where the church going side?
Where the peaceful, loving side? And I feel like.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
How do we how far.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Do we get pushed before we get pushed back?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
I feel like we.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
Don't do anything like the last caller said about you
mentioned church, and how Charlie would he He's out there
professing and proclaiming and boldly talking about his faith. And
I tend to do that to anybody who will listen.
You know, I don't care. I'm not ashamed about that,

(49:02):
and I will say that. But I wonder if there's
a lot of people I know that are.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Not really.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Willing to do that. I guess or I've had friends
that have said to me ever since this shooting happens that.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
They are they're so.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
They've been pretty passive because they don't want to get
into any arguments. They don't want to alienate their friends,
or they don't want to, you know, rock the boat.
You know me, I don't care.

Speaker 19 (49:35):
I'll rock the boat.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
I'll say what's true, and I'll say I'll just bring
it out there. I've lost a lot of friends since
Trump became president, you know, And I just wonder, are
we just not doing enough?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Well, that's a question that you know, do we need
to do more?

Speaker 17 (49:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I have talked about and I need to speak out
more about what believe.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Cooy brings up a good point and it made me think,
what would you need to see to speak up? What
would have to happen where you thought things got so
ugly out there that you need to like it it's
a moral obligation. Would it be the murder of someone
and people celebrating it widely and justifying it. I think
we've seen enough that we should be more bold just

(50:23):
for our own, for our own safety, for our own
to really call out things that are wrong so that
nobody mistakes what they're saying for being right. It's it's
not political for me anymore, really it is. And I again,
I'm part of the anti murder caucus. Okay, I'm against murder,
and I don't qualify that by a party affiliation or opinion.

(50:43):
I'm against murder.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Murder.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Well, but let me point out, greg you may agree
or disagree with you. Yeah, I know a lot of
people who don't go to church, but they're good people, correct,
They're really really very much self So I don't think
we can put everyone in that classification because I think
there are a lot of really good people out there
who just you know, don't go to church. They believe
in God, but they don't believe in an organized religion. Fine,
if that's if that's what you believe in, I'm okay

(51:07):
with that, as long as you're a decent person.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
That's right and being involved. It can mean a lot
of different things, a lot in a lot of different ways.
The thing that Charlie Kirk is I watched a lot
of videos and saw and even watched the Vice President
host his show today for two hours, which was amazing
and informative as well. Is that I kept hearing over
and over that Charlie Kirk would meet people where they are,

(51:29):
so wherever they whatever the faith there, if they were Jewish,
if they were gay, if they're you know. Stephen King,
the author, he said this terrible thing that Charlie Kirk
wanted to stone gay people. And so someone who's gay
went after him and said, my partner and I have
been to his home for dinner, and what you're saying
about him is fundamentally wrong. You're lying about him. And

(51:49):
he had to go back and he pulled that down,
read what he said or reviewed it and qualified it
that he did not say anything like that. Stephen King
did that. But that is what Charlie Kirk was best
known for, was that he without judgment. And he even
had friends like Mark Levin and uh and Tucker Carlson
who seemed to be very different on you know, on

(52:11):
Israel and on on you know, nation building or intervention
by the by the United States militarily, but they both
saw Charlie Kirk as a dear, dear friend both of
them did, and so I think that that is a skill,
and that's I think it's it's not a skill, it's
a it's a genuine quality that he had, and I
want people to have it, and I want that to happen.

(52:32):
I'm just of the mindset now that I want people
that would try to attack people that want to be
that way and and try to scare them away. I
want to go after them myself and call them for
the evil that they are. That's I want to protect
that dialogue. But I don't. I don't have the desire
to be now. I want to call out the demons

(52:52):
that are that are celebrating this man's murder and and
trying to sell it off as it's okay or everybody
does it. It's not okay, and not everybody does does it?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
They do? No more your calls and comments coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's talk radio
one oh five nine can arrests. Let's talk with Aaron
in Smithfield tonight here on the Rodden Gregg Show, Hi erin,
how are you.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
WELLO?

Speaker 20 (53:13):
Gentlemen. Sorry, it's such a bad situation we have to
discuss here. I want to preference my comments by a
twenty four year old that works with me. I walked
into work this morning and he come over and he's liked,
what do you think about Charlie christ or Charlie Kirk's assassination?
I said, well, I said, what are you going to
do about it? He's going to be more like Charlie.

Speaker 11 (53:34):
Good?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
So thank you, thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
So that's a result.

Speaker 8 (53:40):
That's good.

Speaker 20 (53:41):
So anyways, why why are these kids radicalized? And if
we look back, and I think it's been less than
a year in the Saint George area, there was a
boy that the police called a woman or a girl
that killed their parents and tried to burn the house down. Yes,
there's issue is that are going on that need to

(54:02):
be addressed. And there was somebody that addressed those for
a long time, and it was Natalie Klein talking about
what was going on in the schools, the social emotional
support programs in the schools and things like that that
are happening. And I'm sure that a lot of these
people really think that they're doing the right thing by
coddling kids. But we didn't have girls thinking they were

(54:25):
boys and boys thinking they were girls and then promoting
that we tried to help these people, and when we
look at the issues that these kids have to work through. Now,
don't listen to the parents. Global warming is going to
end the world. You can't ever own a home, you'll
never have a family. These are issues that are insurmountable.
And is it to wonder why we have these type
of issues. I think Utah itself actually suffers from what

(54:50):
is called suicidal empathy. That the result of that we
just want to be so good, but we're killing our
and we're killing others while we're doing it.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, Garon, thank you. And I've heard that term great
suicidal empathy. I've heard that term before, and we may
in fact be suffering from it here in the state
of Utah. Back to the phones we go. Let's go
to summer in draper summer. How are you welcome to
the show?

Speaker 8 (55:15):
Hi, Roda and Greg?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
How are you tonight?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
We're great, Thank you, fantastic.

Speaker 12 (55:21):
Listen. I'm calling because I'm just outraged. I'm I'm outraged
because we've been robbed. We really not only was he
robbed of being able to raise his children and see
them grow and have his wife and grow all together,
but we were robbed as a country. I mean, how
many young men at thirty one do you know that
are so knowledgeable and so faithful to their religion. Not

(55:48):
very many. He was well spoken, he knew his information,
and he was just genuine and we've been robbed of
a future leader. He would have accomplished so many more
things in his life.

Speaker 8 (55:59):
Look what he done.

Speaker 12 (56:00):
And I'm outraged, and I encourage the governor to go
to all ends of the earth to find out who
is involved, get everyone involved. They need to be held accountable.
I mean, this is becoming a snowball effect. We cannot
let the youth think that it's okay to assassinate people
because of their speech of what they believe. Anybody can

(56:24):
go out and be whatever they want. If somebody wants
to be transgender or gay as adults, they can live
the way they want. This speech was not preventing that
at all, but to murder somebody. We should all be outraged,
and we need to find out who is involved, and
we need to find out what is happening and causing
our youth to become like this. This is this is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yes, it is very good point.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I agree with every every single sentiment.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
She just shared with us, and I hope this is
not the end of the investigation grade because as we said,
they're looking at seven other people right now, this whole
online chat stuff. Track it down, because if they knew
something was in the works and nothing was said, there's
some responsibility there as well. The communications were starting to get.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
She struck on something that I think is feeding my
personal demoralization and upset that they took him off this
board and there is I don't think there's a replacement
for him. I think you can continue it on. I
think we see the thirty two thousand schools that have
reached out that would like to have Turning Point USA chapters.
Good things can happen. But the way he was able
to recall information, his deep devout faith Christian faith, all

(57:34):
that made Charlie Kirk who he was a guy that
Rush Limbaugh in twenty eighteen said this guy could be
president of the United States. His trajectory was something that
is unmatched and I don't think will be matched. And
that's and so we lost someone that was such a
strong and powerful leader, and I feel it. I feel
the loss.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, Well, like you were saying, Greg, you know, will
there be another well, we have replaced Rush.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I don't think Andrew Breitbart is replaced.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, but what they brought to the discussion carries on,
and I think what Charlie brought to the discussion will
carry on. And like you said, with that many chapters
and now, it sounds like a lot of kids want
to get involved in this, stand up for what they
believe in, not be afraid to speak out. Hopefully shows
like ours and other shows around the country podcast will

(58:24):
encourage them to do so. And I hope they speak out.
I hope they aren't.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Afraid color Aaron said. The twenty four year old said,
I'm going to be like Charlie. I'm hearing that from
the young men of my family, so I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
All Right, hang on more of your phone calls. We're
all take more calls coming up, So stay with us
on the Rod and Greg Show, Talk Radio one o
five to nine. Okayn, al right? Or the memorial service
for Charlie Kirk will take place Sunday and you will
hear that right here on talk radio one oh five nine.
Can us starts I believe at noon on Sunday, So

(58:56):
if you're out and about Sunday, want to listen, and
we invite you to do so here on Talk Radio
one five. Don Canners, I'm rod Arcat.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes. Let's go back to the phones.
Let's go to Barrett and Ogden. Barrett, welcome to the
Running Thank you for holding and welcome to the Running
Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Hey very much. Appreciate that. Appreciate you guys very much. Also,
I just want to say two things here. A couple
of things. I just want to say thank you everybody
that went out to the memorial on Saturday, the Memorial
ride with the Utah.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, how did that go? How did that go? It
was success?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Gosh man, you had a biker showed up over a
mile long going down the interstate. It was amazing. If
you guys want to check them out on Instagram, you
can Utah Patriots. You can also go to the website
Utaw Patriots dot com. There's video of the turnout. Cool.
I just want to say thank you everybody that showed
up and and and did that ride. And secondly, I

(59:55):
would like to say, you know, this has been going
on a long time. Everybody's wondering, well, this is what
we do? What do we do? How do we compare
at it. It's already here now, it should have been
done in the first place. For example, I'm a state
in County delegate, right, so I've been to the GOP.
You know, I've vetted a lot of these characters that

(01:00:16):
are running in politics. I mean, that's my job, right,
that's my responsibility, you know. And I don't get paid
to do what I volunteered, right, I was. I was
actually voted in caucus. So all I got to say
is that when I went in to vote, I had
a friend that actually asked me to stay in the classroom.

(01:00:38):
You want to hear this one. And then I got
voted in and I didn't even realize what was going on.
And then, you know, I'm standing there. I was like,
do I even know you? Guys are like, yeah, we
know you. We see you flying the flags, We see
what you're doing out there, we see how you're helping people,
and you know, we think you'd be a good cadet
for this, you know. So so I got involved. My

(01:01:00):
point is is that when I went into the classroom,
that classroom did not have very many people forcing okay,
And that's the huge problem. And it started all the
way back from the Clintons to Obama to buy all
of them. Okay, people need to get involved. Look at

(01:01:21):
what's happened. Because people haven't stepped up and got involved.
It's like, oh, I'm just going to vote when it's
time for somebody to be president, or oh I'm just
going to vote for this or vote that, and then
everything's gonna be okay, and then everybody's upset about taxes
or they're upset about this. Look what's happened with gender dysphoria, okay,
and all the things that have happened, and where we're

(01:01:41):
at right now. Spencer Cox, for example, like you said,
last time he pivoted, he was all about pronouns and
being political correct, and a lot of these politicians because
of this politically correct agenda and the indoctrination of our youth,
our school. It started a long time ago, and now

(01:02:02):
it's at the doorstep and now people are wondering what
are we going to do now? Well, it starts with you.
You got to get involved now. I mean we're on
the brink of Look at what happened to Charlie Kirk. Okay,
it's not stopping a lot of these mass shooters. Are
what they're transgender. We've given into this lgbt then they
went to LGBTQ. Back when I remember the word queer

(01:02:25):
was actually a bad word.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, me too, I agree. I didn't get the memo.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Exactly. So now they're going by it and it's been
it's been weaponized. So now these individuals they're just going crazy.
They don't even know who they are, so now they're
fighting for something that they don't even know anything about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I mean, yeah, I need to cut you off there.
We need to get some other calls. But he's right,
you know, and I think his message. Greg and I've
talked about this. I know you have before. Get involved now.
A lot of people are reluctant to do so, but
hopefully what happened last Wednesday will remind you again that
if we're going to take a stand, you can't do
so on the sidelines. Well, if you want to play

(01:03:08):
the game, get in there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I will tell you that the politics campaigns and elections
and being delegates and actually getting to you to interview
or discuss or talk to candidates that are seeking your support.
It's a much more accessible political site, A campaign cycle
and election processed in a lot of States, and so
because it is a participation sport, particularly in Utah, we
should take full advantage of it. Sure, so let's go back.

(01:03:32):
Let's go to Leo in Midvale. Leo, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 13 (01:03:39):
Hi.

Speaker 10 (01:03:39):
I had a quick question for welk you guys. How
come no one ever blames the government for these shootings,
but they're always really quick to divide left against right
and right against left. Well, and a lot of the
government policies have destroyed the standard of living so much
so that we have people, you know, having these episodes

(01:04:03):
and going crazy. Basically, I would say argue the government
should hold some responsibility. Most people are living paycheck to paycheck.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I think that's why they murder. You can murder because
your paycheck to paycheck. I really, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I'm not going to excuse anyone murdering another person. I
got my I got my frustration the government. But i'm
i'm I'm I'm curious what what we would dismiss about
this assassination because of the government.

Speaker 10 (01:04:33):
No, I wouldn't say dismiss any of it. I would
say the government hold some responsibility and they will use
stuff like this to divide us further left against right.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
With you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I'm seeing that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, yeah, there's not wrong. Look, no, but you you
would have man. You and I have talked about this.
There's a lot of frustration out there among young people
in this country. There is, and I think Charlie Kirk
understood this. He's talked to about this before, you know,
because they feel like they can't afford a house, they
can't afford to have a family, they can't afford the
American dream. And I think that's the frustration. And what

(01:05:10):
scares me about that thinking, Greg, is they think socialism
is the answer, that more government is the answer, and
it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
And Charlie clear, I have a clip I found over
this weekend as I've been looking at it. He speaks
with Tucker Carlson specifically about this, and it shocks Tucker.
He's not tracking any of this, but but Charlie kirk
Kirk is going to the campuses and he says, we
have we've lost a decade of first time. It used
to be in the early late twenties, early thirties, we're
now thirty eight or older. For your first em buyer.

(01:05:39):
He's talking about there are economic pressures that our young
people are feeling. And when he says that, Tucker Carlson's shocked.
He's never heard this, and he's been to enough campuses,
and he's really reflecting what Leo's saying, where we have
young people that feel so left out of and it's
not the free market, it's crony capitalism. And I have
as much criticism to share about crony cap that's not

(01:06:00):
real free market, but that's that is being felt by
young people so much that I don't even know if
they are socialists at heart, but they are ready to
shake up the system somehow because the current system as
it's operating is really leaving them on the outside looking in.
And Charlie Kirk was tracking exactly that. There's a very

(01:06:21):
good clip where he's articulating this issue that Leo just
brought up. And so I don't dismiss I have criticisms
of the government too. I do think that there's something
If everyone thinks everyone to vote for Trump's going to
vote for the next Republican, you're wrong. A lot of
people voted for Trump because he was going to shake
up and has been shaking up this system. But he's

(01:06:41):
one guy, one administration, and there's a lot that left
to be done to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Take a long time. Sure will Robert and Ram on
The Rod and Gregg Show. Hi Robert, welcome to the show.

Speaker 21 (01:06:50):
Hey, thank you for taking my call. Uh huh, Hey,
I got something for you guys to think about. How
about the gun itself. I've learned that it's it's a
Mauser thirty odds six yes, yes, which are not just
everybody owns those guns because they're kind of a collectible deal.

(01:07:10):
I'd like to know where he got that gun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
You know that you bring up an interesting point because well,
actually he did so in his discord text he said
he made mention to his roommate, his you know side
check that the gun it does have is identifiable because
it's a unique gun. He did mention that about the
gun went because he put it at a drop location
and needed to pick it up. So he the shooter

(01:07:36):
did acknowledge that that gun had a uniqueness to it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yeah he did. Yeah, but no on that, as asked Robert,
is right, where'd you get the gun? Was at his
own I mean guns were part of his family growing
up as a kid. By those sounds of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
By the way I've heard, and this is I don't
want to say his secondhands. I've got pretty good sources.
But you know, Washington County has a pretty robust gun club.
The the Washington has an area for shooting target practicing.
It's a really really nice facility. I've been there. Uh,
this kid, if you got proficient guns, that's it is
the belief of the the Washington County, you know, gun range.

(01:08:12):
And he wasn't getting it there. Really yeah, he's he didn't.
He hadn't been.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
There, didn't see him off from there. All right, Well,
we've got a lot of talkback comments and we'll get
to those when we come back right here on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one h
five nine k NRS Citizen Greg Hughes and I'm Rod Arkent.
We go right back to the phones. We continue our
coverage of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Let's go to
Salt Lake City and hear from Jim tonight. Jim, how

(01:08:37):
are you? Thanks so much for joining us? What's say you?

Speaker 11 (01:08:41):
Thank you for taking my call?

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
The way the Democrat and it's.

Speaker 11 (01:08:46):
Every Democrat talks about other people, whether they're great people
or whatever. It's like yelling fire in a theater. They
describe They described Charlie Kirk as a Nazi, as Hitler,
as all of these really really bad things, and they

(01:09:09):
they yell fire in a theater all the time through
their rhetoric. And what are people gonna do. They're gonna
take up arms, just like this nut job down in
Saint George did, and they're gonna go out and they're
going to kill people because of other Democrats and what
they say about good, good people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Thank you Jim. Right, Jim calls them every name in
the book.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
And here's the thing, it is so unbelievably inaccurate. Once
you see his run of show and how he goes
these campuses and how if you disagree you get to
go to the front of the line, and how that
dialogue goes on and it's thoughtful and it's respectful. You know,
there is a reason the Salt Lake Tribune and of
August thirty first, twenty twenty five, they had they published

(01:09:56):
an editorial condemning Charlie Kirk, calling him a hate monger,
saying that he was all the things that Jim just
described was then found inside of that editorial. They have
pulled that off their page. You cannot you cannot find
it any longer. They don't want to associate themselves with it.
And it was the editorial board. It wasn't like they

(01:10:16):
printed a letter of the editor or someone else's guest
op ed. This was the editorial Board's collective so called
wisdom about how dangerous of a human being Charlie Kirk was.
They took that down because they can't defend it. What
they said was wrong and inaccurate about him was a lie,
and they can't defend it, so they have pulled it
off of their site. That surprise you, No, it's so

(01:10:38):
par for the course.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Absolutely not. All right, let's go to our talk back line.
Here are a few things you have to say tonight
here on the Roden greg Show. Here's one of our comments.

Speaker 22 (01:10:47):
I've losted a couple of these clips about these liberals
who have lost their jobs for praising the assassination online.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Don't they realized what they hate it?

Speaker 22 (01:11:01):
This is console culture, old doctor Frankenstein, the monster is
here for.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
You, then the monster's here for you. That's actually that's
a that is a great take. My thought is this,
I wouldn't I wouldn't require, I wouldn't demand that everybody
be fired. But if you are a business owner of
any kind and you have employees that hold positions of
trust not only within your your company, but with the

(01:11:29):
public that would patronize your business, if you felt that
their comments condoning murders celebrating murder would undermine your credibility,
your business is credibility with the public, and even internally,
I wouldn't want that person on the payroll. I personally
would not have anyone like that working for me, because
again I'm of the I'm against murder without exception to

(01:11:51):
people's opinions or up party affiliations. And if you're someone
who thinks that murder's fine so long as they you know,
because they disagree with you, then I wouldn't want you
in my business. But I wouldn't want the public to
have to interact with you if they knew that about it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
We were talking about this earlier. Anybody who's working for
a taxpayer supported entity at a college or university, you
say something like that, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Gone, you should be gone.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Military, in private industry, you make your own decision, and
if you think it's a bad reflection, like you were
saying on your company, you have every right to get
rid of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
That's where I'm at. I think that there's no you know,
telling everyone or pressuring people to do it. You can
let them know that you know and that you don't.
This Frontier airline pilot who's celebrating murder, I don't want
that guy being my pilot. I mean, I don't know
how to find out if he's hired or not, but
certainly on settling to me that this nutjob hurling us

(01:12:44):
in the air and an airplane somewhere, I mean, he's
got these kind of demented opinions. It's pretty scary.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Remember what happened at office depot over the weekend. We
came in for an order earlier or a poster for
our vigil tonight. Yeah, for somebody that it's not.

Speaker 20 (01:13:03):
Sorry, you don't hit here.

Speaker 10 (01:13:04):
All right? So all right?

Speaker 19 (01:13:06):
What can a print supervised?

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
The managers?

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Yes, so unsorted unfortunately, So if they say they don't
print the political propaganda, so this is somebody that passed
away a couple.

Speaker 23 (01:13:18):
Of years propaganda unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
So this is for a prayer to want for a prior.

Speaker 14 (01:13:22):
Vigil it's still propaganda.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Unfortunately, what makes it propaganda because he's.

Speaker 23 (01:13:28):
A political figure and I don't have to it's yea,
our general manager is going to be on Monday, if
you know, it's thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
By the way, office Depot has issued an apology and
that person wouldn't let him print the flyer been.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Fired, rightly, Angel is propaganda. You can say that someone's
vigil is propaganda. It's it's again. I guess we should
we should be happy that they're that they're doing this
because because it shows us who they are, and we
should believe them. We should we should believe every word
they say when they express these these I think insane positions.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Let's check in with another talk back comment.

Speaker 24 (01:14:11):
Hey, Rod and Greg, this is Jeremy and American Fork.
I one hundred percent agree that we can't just simply
decide we're going to let this slide by and turn
down the heat. I literally had less than a day
before people started calling me a Nazifa saying I agree
to turn Kirk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
If we turn.

Speaker 24 (01:14:30):
Down the heat and don't hold them accountable for what
they are doing and peacefully force the dialogue to change,
there will be another shooting and then what are we
going to be to then?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Good question. And you know what, Greg, I hate to
say this. I don't think the dialogue is going to
change from the Democrats. Well I don't. I don't think
it will change.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
All I know in life is whatever you accept, you
get more of. And that's why I'm so resolute to
not accept this. And then I'm going to call it
out for what it is, and that is any any
but after the condemnation or sorrow of murder. If you've
got a butt or you've got an explanation that comes
back after that, you're you're a psychopath to me. And
I think you got a crawl back in the hole

(01:15:09):
you came out of if you celebrated this. And look,
we've had We've had two callers on the day of
the assassination that were students at university campuses that when
the news broke within those classrooms or that on that campus,
students openly cheered. We heard on Glenn Beck's show this
morning his son as a student. I think at View
he there was celebration or cheering when Charlie Kirk when

(01:15:33):
it was learned that Charlie Kirk was shot on campus.
This is this is as wrong as it gets. And
it goes to this whole thing about what the Internet
has done to our brains. And I'm not talking young people.
I'm talking about everyone. The dark thoughts that they used
to keep to themselves or maybe seek a counselor to
understand why they had such dark, dark thoughts they now

(01:15:55):
get to say out loud. They didn't get likes and
affirmation for thinking that way and there and their grounding
is gone. Now they say it everywhere. These people, these
airline pilots, secret service agents, teachers, members of the military,
doctors getting fired. They're probably shocked at why. I don't
know why. They have no idea that celebrating a murder

(01:16:18):
is a deal killer for your employment. It's just a
complete deal killer. But they are so lost in this
social media you know, you know this mine virus.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Someone wrote, and we won't have time to talk about
this tonight, but I want to do so tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Someone wrote about why it is so difficult to bring
down the left and he used one word in this
and I think it applies, and we'll get to that tomorrow.

Speaker 17 (01:16:41):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n rs
going to be held at that big football stadium down there.
I think it's in Chandler, Arizona, suburb of Phoenix, and
we'll carry it live. Scheduled to get underway at noon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
That's great, it was great news, you see. Ihearts and
cover the event on Sunday at noon, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
At noon, yep, yep, we'll provide that to you. So
if you're getting around town on Sunday, I want to
check it out. What's being said the president? He said
he thinks he'll be asked to speak, just kidding. Of
course he knows he will. So we'll carry that live
for you. All right, let's you know in what is it?
Two days? I think it is, greg I think two

(01:17:22):
hundred and thirty years of the US Constitution. Wow, Constitution Day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah, it's a big weeke in Utah has made like
a whole month the month, Yes, Constitution. We get a
decent month out of all these so called months. Constitution month.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Finally, yeah, well, let's talk about the Constitution in light
of this political violence. Joining us on our news maker
line right now. We had a chance to talk with
Henry Olsen a little bit earlier a senior fellow at
the Ethics and Public Policy Center about the constitution in
the shadow of this political violence. What do you make
of this, Henry?

Speaker 19 (01:17:54):
Yeah, all republican institutions really helped suppress political violence because
it gives minority is a chance to change government without
shooting people. And as a result, we've had a pretty
stable government. We're still operating under the same constitution since
seventeen eighty nine. We have never had a violent revolution.
We've only had one violent civil war, and that was

(01:18:14):
over the massively consequential issue of slavery. So the fact
that we have had a republican, small R, democratic, small
D government has really helped us suppress political violence and
channel passions into persuasion rather than punishment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
So, with twenty twenty five and social media and the
communication going on today, maybe share with our listeners how
you think that we prevail in this time where freedom
of speech might be infringed, or having a different opinion
as being painted in such draconian ways of being a fascist,
Nazi whatnot. How do we in twenty twenty five do

(01:18:55):
what the people before us have done to keep this
country strong and our liberties alive.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:19:01):
I think the first thing you have to do is
not use the force of law to try and suppress opinions.
Is that opinions can be harsh, they can be pointed,
they can be borderline violence inducing. But that's always been
the case in the United States, going back to the founding,
when Thomas Jefferson and John Adams faced off of the

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presidential election of eighteen hundred. If the things they said
in print about one another were on social media today,
we would be shocked at how direct and offensive they were.
But the other thing that we need to do is
focus on thinking about our opponents as a loyal opposition.

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And that's something that Adams and Jefferson did, is that
they could call each other terrible names, but they knew
that each other ultimately depended and were supportive of Republican government.
And increasingly, we have too many people who think that
the other side just isn't loyal, and once you get
outside of that, it's very hard to have a Republican

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solution to political passions.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Henry, are we getting close to that point? Do you
think yet that the other side isn't that loyal, they
don't believe in the country, or are we getting close
to that today.

Speaker 19 (01:20:16):
Well, if you believe polls, yes that there are polls
from even a few years ago that's at over half
of both Republicans and Democrats, and they were roughly identical
scores within for each party. So it is both sides
think that the other side essentially doesn't believe in American
ideals and that their victory would be dangerous. And if
you take that seriously, what that means is that the

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probably the passions of the bases of both parties look
at the other sides base and says you're not Royal Americans.
And once you cross that point for a consistent period
of time, it's very hard to put the genie back
in the bottle. And that could be very well be
a reason why you see people motivated to act, particularly
the mentally disturbed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
So over the weekend, is this story just you know?

Speaker 22 (01:21:05):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
The shock goes away? But we start taking inventory of
what we're seeing around ourselves. What has struck me is
that I'm seeing tweets and i've or social media posts
from older people, not Generation Z people in positions of
trust that are either excusing or celebrating the murder of
an individual A but a political opponent. Are we just

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more aware of that and that's always been the case
in the United States? Or is there something wrong where
we're seeing people excuse murder now that we might not
have been, we might have had some more rays or
moral principles that would not lead us there before. Or
is this more of the same.

Speaker 19 (01:21:48):
I suspect I don't think it's more the same. I
suspect that media gives people an outlet to say imprudent
things in a way that can be permanently recorded. You
know that if somebody says something about when, you know,
let's say Franklin Roosevelt, he was the subject of an
assassination attempt in nineteen thirty three, it killed the mayor
of Chicago, missed him. You know, if that somebody turned

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and said, I wish they had got him, you know,
in nineteen thirty three, that's not going to go anywhere. Now,
somebody's going to put it on social media and everyone's
going to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Learn about it.

Speaker 19 (01:22:19):
But I do think it's a lot more than it
would ever have been. I mean, there are yeah, you
just look through your feet if you're at all politically
active and you find people being outed all over the
place for this. There must be thousands of people who
decided to take to social media and say horrible things,
celebrating the murder of somebody they disagreed with politically. And

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if thousands are doing it on social media, you know
that thousands more are thinking about it. And I think
it's much different than it was. I don't think people
were saying this when Ronald Reagan won in nineteen eighty
and there were a lot of people who are very
scared that Ronald Reagan was going to be a disastrous president.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yeah, I would agree there on that one. Henry, Henry,
I've heard this.

Speaker 8 (01:23:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I've been around quite a long time, longer than Hughes
has been around, way longer than you know. I'm trying
to remember the first time I heard the expression this
election is the most important election in our history. But
you hear that now almost every two years, if not
four years. What has changed is hyperbole or is it
in fact that important?

Speaker 19 (01:23:25):
I think it's a little bit of both. I mean,
what you've got is not fundamental policy disagreement, although of
course you have those. You have fundamental different views of
how to live the good life, and that is something
that brings out the most in people, both the most
aggressive offensively and the most aggressive defensive way. I don't

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remember hearing that, and my memory goes back to Nixon's
election in nineteen sixty eight. I think certainly people talked
about things and knew that some elections were more consequential
than others. But the sheer weight of opinion and the
sheer weight of bugs that goes into every single national

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election now, I think is unprecedented within any of our lifetimes,
and may you may have to go back to the
nineteen thirties or beyond to get to something as strong
and consistent as this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
On our newsbager line, Henry Oil's and joining us tonight,
he's talking about the Constitution, which will celebrate the signing
of the Constitution here in a couple of days, and
political violence more coming up final segment of the Rod
and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine KNRS.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Talk Radio one O five to nine. Can ar s
number one on the preset and also use that talk back.
We've had some great talk back comments that it may
it's that little red button that looks like a microphone,
gives you thirty seconds to give a take make sure
you take advantage of it now, this week and always.
I'm citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
And I'm brought two stories we didn't talk about today.
Greg first of fall, we also like, has apologized now
to a fan after he said that he was removed
from a game for refusing to take off his make
America Great Again hat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Yeah, I saw a video of him. He was just
I watched the I watched the security walk him off
out of the stadium in the America First Field Stadium.
He is being walked off for having his make America
Great hat on again, make America Great Again hat on it?
Does you know what the Miller group owns that? That team? Now,

(01:25:35):
I'll tell you what I don't think Larry Miller. I
don't think Larry H. Miller would have a big problem
with that hat. And I think they better just start.

Speaker 15 (01:25:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
They need more than apologize. He need to slow their role.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Well, it happened to a man by the name of
Colt Cirstis, and he posted a thirty second video online
of being escorted out of the stadium.

Speaker 11 (01:25:53):
Here's what he said, sitting here, I don't know, it's
not your fault, but I got to record myself didn't
the rayal saw leg game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Here with my make America great.

Speaker 24 (01:26:03):
Again hat pretty fucking insane considering everything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Going on this week.

Speaker 22 (01:26:09):
It's not the security fella's fault here, he's just.

Speaker 10 (01:26:13):
Doing his job.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
But gotta take a video.

Speaker 11 (01:26:16):
Here Jetting kicked.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Out because of my MAGA hat.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
Here's been ridiculous man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah. The post, by the way, drew two hundred and
fifty eight thousand views.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Yeah, it's just it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
And again real saw lake as I'll apologized.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
You know what, it's gonna wearin with me because I
already have seen a bunch of posts. Rocky Anderson wrote
this filthy post about Charlie Kirka. Don't don't like his death,
but he is a filter wrot just goes on and
on and on the butt everything ignore everything before the
word butt. What read everything after the word. But because
that's how they really feel. Well, he removed that post.
CBS News tried to say this, Jonathan Dickerson tried to say,

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there's no apparent motive for this for the assassin, we
don't know why he did. We have volumes of information
as to why he did it. They are lying. Well,
that post has been taken down, so you can't access that.
A lot of things being taken down lately, and I'm
just you can keep doing I'm glad you are doing it,
but at some point it just gets offensive that you

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have to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
You know what I want to say to the left now,
we are watching.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Yes, our eyes are opening.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Boy, we're keeping our eyes open. Don't try and sneak
anything past us. We'll get you. One other story, this
is a bizarre story. The FBI over the weekend arrested
two men after they allegedly placed an incendiary device under
a local Fox Affiliates vehicle. You're in Utah. That's kind
of scary.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yeah, just and they're covering the assassination and so they're
going to try and damage their vehicles for covering the event.
There's a combination of these leftists just coming together trying
to create more chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Yeah, that's kind of scary. I mentioned this earlier. Charlie
Kirk's tour is going to return to Utah at the
school is accused killer once attended in Utah State. He
was scheduled to be there what at the end of
this month he was, I think, and apparently they are
going to return. No firm date has been put on
it as of yet, but his wife announced what was

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it Friday that the American comeback proved me wrong? Tour
will continue.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
And I hope it's such great news. I'm happy for
Utah State and there are students there they get to
participate in that, and I hope it's a big I'd
love to see all of Utah show up for that.
I'd love to send a message to every one of
these leftists that there's just too many of us and
we and we're on to you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Yeah, you know, are you a breakfast eater?

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Not really break sometimes but not really.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Yeah, eating breakfast earlier in the day may help add
years to your life.

Speaker 19 (01:28:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
I love bringing up these same notes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
You know, just because they changed their mind all the time.
Sometimes they'll say, oh, just you know, eat twice a day,
don't eat breakfast being the most portant meal to day
was brought to you by the people that do that
create eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Change breakfast, change breakfast, Queen's lunch?

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
He's the other guy? Now the joker? Now what's the Jack?
I don't know, thanks, but Jack does? Jack's now all
this sun head off, shoulders back and God bless you
and your family. This great country of ours. We'll see
you tomorrow