The Rod and Greg Show: Dems Must Stop Violent Rhetoric; Brett Tolman on Charges Against Kirk's Killer

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You can call him a suspect if you want, But
I think the evidence is just screaming what the truth is.
But this guy was read, you know, the charges were read.
I thought that the Utah County Attorney uh is Jeff Gray,
did a very incredible job laying out the case very thoroughly.
And and then we got to see uh this demonic

(00:20):
individual on on the camera as he was as the
judge read him the charges against him. So got all
that to talk about to unpack. Will have a former
US attorney, Brett Tolman, who's h he's all the rate,
he's the bell of the ball on Fox News. But
he's a Rotten Greg guy. He's a Rotten Greg Show guy.
He's an alum. We put him on loan the Fox

(00:40):
News when he want when they want to use this is.
This is our guy, He's our guy. I don't even
know why he's not wearing a Rotten Greg hat when
he's on the Fox Show.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
He may not have one. We get it.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
He should be wearing it.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, we should get him. He'll be joining us. We've
got a lot to get to today, and as always,
we invite you to be a part of the program.
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message as well. So a lot to get to today,
but I want to start off. Greg can't believe it,
but the earlier today the what's his name, Luigi Mangioni, right, yeah,
the guy who's charged with gunning down the healthcare executive

(01:34):
on the streets of New York City. Apparently a couple
of charges against him, state charges, I believe today were
dropped against Luigi Mangioni. Okay, yes, outside the courthouse. Guess
what there was cheering. He's become a martyr.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
He is here. This is the man who has murdered
a husband and a father of young children, who is
a healthcare executive. And this was a politic again, another
politically motivated homicide, murder, assassination. And those protesters were out
there prior to the beginning of the They didn't just
run to the court when they heard the good news
what they thought was good news, certain charges are being dropped.

(02:10):
They see this man as a hero, as a martyr,
and they embrace everything he's done and think that he
was right for doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Now, I think, Greg, the martyrdom of Tyler Robinson has
begun in this country, and they're going to glorify this guy.
He's the alleged assassin against Charlie Kirk. Ten minutes Greg,
after Jeff Gray held his news conference laying out the charges,
laying out all the things pertaining to this case. And
I agree with you. I think I think Jeff Gray

(02:41):
did a fantastic job. I was watching reaction on a
national base. Everyone was complimenting him, saying he laid out
this case perfectly. Ten minutes after, a reporter for ABC
News was on with ABC News in the network. His
name is Matt Gutman. I want you to listen to
how Matt Gutman described that news conference, and I want

(03:01):
to ask you, do you see the first steps toward
martyrdom in this explanation?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
And on the other hand, there is this duality of
a very a portrait of a very human person, a
very human experience from this entire family, as you mentioned it,
the mother who essentially discovered that it was her son
who had done this, the.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Kid who had got a thirty four out.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Of thirty six on the acts, who had a four
point zero, who got a full ride to college, here
that that kid was the one who allegedly perpetrated. She
saw those pictures and said, identify them, essentially, And then
those text messages. And I don't think I've ever experienced
a press confidence in which we've read text messages that
are aso fulsome so robust, so apparently allegedly self incriminating,

(03:43):
and yet on the other hand, so touching, right with
the suspect reaching out to his roommate who is allegedly
his boyfriend, who we understand, you know, identified as male
at birth now identifies as female, and the terminology he
used he was trying to protect him, kept calling him
my love, my my reason for doing this is to
protect you, you know, but also asking him to delete

(04:06):
the messages and not speak to law enforcement. So there's
this this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very tragically playing out.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I want to know, Greg, is Matt Goodman a reporter
for ABC or a reporter for the LGBTQ network, because.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I tell you, for him channel version of it, for
him to call him a human person such a touching
love story wanting to protect his lover?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Greg?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I mean for crying out loud, ABC? What is that
all about? And like I said, Greg, I think this
is the first step toward efforts to now make Tyler
Robinson a martyr.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
No, you can hear it. I mean, so he wants
to I he wants to romanticize this story. There's this
this effort to oh, look that this is one of
those you know, Greek tragedies, these these you know, this
was the starcross lovers and he was just trying to
protect his his lover, and who was willing to sacrifice
himself for to protect the one he loved. I mean,

(05:04):
I'm telling you this, Matt Gutman. I And it's not
just once. He did it once, but then ten minutes
later got another broadcast repeated the same bladder again about
how you know how touching this all is?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
You mean, there's more, there's more.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
It is we have seen an alleged murder with such
specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it
was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it.
But also it was very touching in a way that
I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate
portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the

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suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who was transitioning,
calling him my love and I want to protect you,
my love.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
So it was this duality of.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Someone who the attorney said, not only jeopardized the life
of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it
in front of children, which is one of the aggravating
circumstances of this case.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
And then the other hand, and.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
He was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner,
so very interesting and as Pierre said, riveting press conferensation.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
So touching, lovingly talking about his partner. I guess that
justifies why could kill Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I just find it, right, Yeah, no, that's that's that's correct.
But the question it begs, the question would Matt Gutman
find if this was a more heterosexual relationship and this
person was saying all the same things but you didn't
have a trans individual or a gay person that if
it wasn't one of these protected classes, one of these

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victim classes that the Left loves to herald up or
prop up and makes, you know, make a big deal about.
I think Charlie Kirk was involved in a very loving relationship.
I think his wife and his children, if we wanted
to go shoulder to shoulder on the loving relationship standard,
I think the man who's been taken from his wife
and children is the most heartbreaking story, emotional story. I

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find any attention, any narrative given to this this assassin's
you know, love interest, and in giving it any kind
of credence or any kind of detail is demented. I
find it demented. It has no place in the story
of what this man did, who he risked, the people
whose lives were at risked with what he did, including

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the person he assassinated. It's all vile, it's all wrong,
and there isn't a duality to There's no duality to this.
I wonder if cran you know, who assassinated Bobby Kennedy.
I wonder if he had a love interest.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, he may have.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Maybe we should find out Lee Harvey Oswald. I mean,
I'm sure there was a love interest that was probably
victimized by losing their their their love, their love when
Lee Harvey Oswald was you know, he himself even killed.
So I mean, I just find it to be so
out of place. But again, I think we're just getting

(07:54):
to see some people for where their brains are at.
Where where is the where there there is no equilibrium
going on.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Right now, I've got another story for you. Are you
ready for this?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
And ms a misinformation reporter who works at MSNBC right
is now suggesting that Tyler Robinson may have engraved hey
fascist on bullets to set up the left.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Oh it's a it's all so he and his trans
lover one wanted to frame the left. Okay, all right, again,
just when you're in a hole, you're not supposed to
keep digging. But I really feel like that's all this this,
All these people know is to just keep telling us
who they are, and we should believe it. We should

(08:38):
believe when you hear excuse like that. I mean, even
the guy what's his name Dickerson from CBS who yesterday
tried to tell the public we don't know the motives.
These are these are just mysteries. We we don't know
why any of this happened. We did now today saying
it looks like we do know the motive, and he
has admit it. We knew this, there's nothing. We knew

(08:59):
this yesterday too, but he has to now admit that
there is a motive. But there is an incredible effort
to try and blur the line, to try and not
have the person who's guilty of this be seen as
the evil and the demonic person that.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
He is absolutely amazing. We've got a whole lot more
to say about that and get your reaction to this
building up of the martyrdom of Tyler Robinson. Folks, it
has begun and we'll have more on that coming up
right here on the Rotting Greg Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one o five Dying Knrs. Coming up on Sunday,
the Charlie Kirk Memorial and funeral will take place down

(09:36):
in Phoenix, Arizona, and you'll hear that live Sunday started
at noon right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine can arrest. So a very very busy week
coming up, Greg.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
It is it's and a lot that we have a
lot of stories that are that are unfolding, that are
still ongoing. But joining us on the program right now,
getting pulling back a little bit, looking a little bit
more broadly at this country of our and what's going on.
Joining us as author, historian, chairman of Citizens of the Republic, Craig,
Shirley Craig, Welcome to the Running Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
I felt it's good to be with you again.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Craig. You wrote an article about there that there is
no such thing as national conservatism, not in America. What
do you mean by that, Craig.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Well, the American conservative, by its very definition, means federalism,
which means a dissolution of power from a centralized system
to the state's localities and ultimately the individuals. That's where
the framers and founders intended it, and that's what the
meaning of American You know, conservatism is espoused by Jefferson,

(10:40):
and Andrew Jackson and other conservative presidents Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump.
What they meant is is that, so you know, conservatism
is not gathered is a power system at one location. Instead,
it's spread out among the people. But by definition, conservatives

(11:02):
are uncomfortable with power because because they are not. The
Democrats are about all about power, right, big government, big taxes,
big regulation, They're all about power. The Republican Party, the
conservative movement is anti power.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You know, talk about what some people are saying progressivism
that's kind of entered the conservative side. I actually think
that it's to your point, the power is still what
we resist. It looks like big government and big corporations
seem to merge a little bit or get together at
the expense of everyday American people. So do you see
that today's Trump. Do you see today's Trump Republicans as

(11:42):
core Republicans or conservatives, or do you think it's changed.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
No, No, Trump is Trump. Lookally's doing the Department of Education,
breaking it up and send it back to the States.
That's the very essence of federalism. He's cutting spending, he's
reducing the depthicity, he's doing producing regulation, he's behaving. I mean,
his agenda is very much akin to Ronald Reagan's agenda,
with the exception of tariffs. Reagan was or a free trader,

(12:09):
but that was forty years ago. That was a different time.
Trump had to do what he had to do because
the massive trading balance we have was so called from
the trading partners. But as far as progressivism is that
we are witnessing in real time. This is something you're
going to tell your grandchildren about the death of the

(12:29):
Democratic Party, is that, you know, a party identification is
now down to what twenty one percent. They've had to
spend ten million dollars on to do a study on
why they can't attract mail voters when any one of
the three of us could, could you know, do it
for a dime or less than that? Tell them why

(12:49):
after you know, after twenty years of calling us toxic
and detegrating us and making you know, in commercial television
making fun of a white streak man else and they're
always traders the buffaloon, and you know, the women are superior,
and people of other races are superior, but the white
male is straight white male is inferior. And then they

(13:12):
wonder why they don't vote for them, is that, you know,
as simple as plaints and those in your face because
they've been kicked around and kicked out of the Democratic Party.
So they said, okay, we'll go to the Republicans because
you know what, we'll welcome over there. But we are
witnessing in real time. You know, this has happened before
in our history. Nobody remembers the Anti Masonic Party, which

(13:34):
was a real power in the eighteen thirties and eighteen forties.
They had several they had several congressmen, at least one senator,
and played a big role in one presidential election. The
auction changed Buchan in eighteen fifty six. But we used
to have the Whigs. The Whigs fell apart because they

(13:55):
couldn't decide whether they were for abolition or whether they
were for kind of benignly on slavery, or what their
position was. So the Whigs fell apart, and lo and behold,
the Republican Party rises up. And you know, as a result,
the Democratic Party. There's nothing, there's nothing in the Bible
that says Democratic Party has to last forever. We'll witnessing

(14:19):
and this assassination of Charlie Kirk, which you guys have
been watching so closely, there is that. It's a flashpoint.
And the reaction of the left, the disgusting reaction of
the left, is just driving more and more people away
from the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Why even call them the Democratic Party anymore? Why not
just come out and say they're the progressive Party of America.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
The Democrat Party. Well, I don't like progressive because it
masks over what they really are, which is that they
are authoritarian liberals.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
So let me ask you this. To your point, I've
known a lot of I grew up in Pittsburgh, a
lot of Democrats I grew up around and with, And
I don't think the people I grew up with way
back when would even recognize the party, this Democrat party
that you see today.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
My wrong.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Kennedy was alive today, be a Republican.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, he was pro defense, He cut capital gains, you
know he so, So.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
What's happened in dress?

Speaker 6 (15:15):
How many times he uses the word freedom? Freedom is
a word of conservatism and justice, which is which is
a mask for control? Is a is a word for
the left?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, it sure is. Craig is always great chatty with you.
Thanks for a few minutes of your time today, Oh fellows,
all right us on our Newsmaker line. Craig surely an author, historian,
somebody I think knows more about Ronald Reagan than maybe
Ronald Reagan himself. He's written several books on Reagan. Yeah,
he really understands Ronald Reagan and understands what he was

(15:47):
trying to do to the for the country.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
And I love how he connects the dots because a
lot of people want to say, oh, this isn't like
ron Ronald 're going to be rolling in his gat.
It's always a liberal saying that, by the way, some
moderate or liberal saying that. But I think that Craig
Schurley of all, as a historian, would know the similarities
between a Donald Trump and Rond Reagan.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
And you know, he said there are a lot of similarity.
The one difference is tariffs.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And even then he says, we live in very different times.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
We do live in different times. That's right, all right,
We've got a lot more to get to. It is
the Tuesday afternoon edition of The Rotting Greg Show on
Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine kN RS. Prosecutors
today announced that they will be seeking the death penalty
in the case against Tyler Robinson for the assassination of
Charlie Kirk. No big surprise, not at all.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I think the amount of evidence that's being shared with
the public, and there's a level of transparency that I
don't remember observing before that. I think is helpful for
us to understand how this case is progressing. However, we've
got a big brain coming on the show right now.
He is a rotting Greg Show alum. He goes I
guess on Fox News every once in a while, but

(16:49):
we all know he doesn't forget who he danced with.
It's the Rodding Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
We're talking about. Brett Tolman, former US Attorney for Utah,
been a busy guy today telling people about these charge
than He's joining us now on our newsmaker line. Brett,
how are you thanks for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, thanks, Rob.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Great to be with you. Brett.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I've got to ask you. Jeff Gray is getting a
lot of praise for how he handled this in laying
out the charges today. What's your take on how he did?

Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah. You know, I've spoken to quite a few of
my colleagues and you know, former law enforcement and FBI
current you know officers that are involved, and they say
that they've not really seen a case in which from
the investigation to the prosecution have really been working as
well together as they have in this case, and very efficiently.

(17:40):
And you know, I think the gravity of this political
assassination you know, it hits everybody. I think it's also
hit the prosecution knowing there really is no margin for
air in this. They've got to get it right. They've
got to gather the evidence appropriately, and they've got to
present it the right way.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Maybe you could share with our listeners because we've seen
so so much by way of his communications, it looks
like it's open shot. I don't even know, but I
know there has to be the thoroughness that you describe.
What where is that thoroughness to make sure that this
case isn't lost somehow? Procedurally? What are they what are
they staring at?

Speaker 8 (18:19):
Yeah, you know, Greg, there's there's a lot of technicalities
that come into play when you're when you're attempting to
take away someone's liberty and here where you are also wanting.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
To apply the death penalties.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
So those technicalities come by way of how the evidence
is gathered, how it's preserved, the chain of custody, and
and then ultimately how it's presented to the jury. You
have a pretty seasoned prosecution team, you know, Chad, and

(18:51):
they've surgeled these are these are prosecutors who have done
death penalty cases.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
They've been around a long time.

Speaker 8 (18:58):
They know what they're doing, but they're on the case
because you know, any misstep in terms of how they
gather and collect and maintain the evidence, how their interviews
are conducted, the ability that the prosecutors will have to
present all of that evidence. It all has to be
done in a manner that you know the court is

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appropriate and will be upheld on appeal.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Brent. In seeking the death penalty, does it is it
fair to say it complicates the issue a little bit,
because as you've just pointed out, they have got to
be careful of everything, watch it carefully, document it carefully.
Does it? Does it complicate things a little bit more
than a case where you aren't seeking the death penalty?

Speaker 8 (19:44):
It does quite a bit, rod because as we've all seen,
the big flaw in the application of the death penalty
is the ability to you know, to obtain the death
penalty sentence in a case and then to be able
to quickly get to you know, an effective use of

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the death penalty. We have had that in this country
and even in Utah for example. The every you know,
ruling by the judge, every objection, every bit of evidence
that is presented.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
The if there's evidence.

Speaker 8 (20:21):
That the judge does not allow in all of that
gets utilized later in appeals to try to delay and
drag out the you know, the execution. In this case,
I think there's added pressure. You know, a death penalty
case is difficult when it's you know, not so public
and not so you know, recognizable worldwide for what it is,

(20:45):
and a political assassination of Charlie Kirk. And so yeah,
there's a there's immense pressure on this to make sure
that it's done right, not just for reversal purposes and
the conviction, but also so that you don't tie end
up too long if the death penalty is a play.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
We're speaking with Brett Tolman, former US Attorney for the
State of Utah, executive director of Right on Crime. I
know that you run in the same circle as Charlie
Kirk has running. You have a lot of similar friends
within the ministration. But I'm asking I want your investigative
eye right now. I look at some of these text
exchanges where like, for instance, he says I'm the one

(21:24):
that did it in the roommate, the love interest says no,
why it almost sounds contrived to me. Do you think
anyone else is involved in this or do you think
that those communications have been shared with the public where
it looks like and it sounds like from those communications
he did this all by himself. Do you think that's
true or do you think that he's that that might

(21:44):
be a ruse to just try to take the fall
himself and allow those that would be involved some kind
of a cover. It's an opinion.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
I think the FBI is doing the right thing in
launching and investing of all those that had been in
communication with with, you.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Know, the defendant in this case.

Speaker 8 (22:10):
And why is that important, Greg is because we know
that he had, in addition to the conversations that he
had with his roommate and love interest, we know that
he also had extensive conversations with individuals who also, you know,

(22:32):
profess similar sort of disdain for Charlie Kirk. And so
the question is, and they're you know, are they appropriately
investigating those that were in communication? Was there anybody else
that provided any motivation for him? Was there any money
that exchanged hands or ideas or cooperation? Was there anyone
that ate and abetted him or pushed him as well

(22:55):
to make this decision? That investigation is going on right
now I'm told that it is more than you know,
a couple dozen people that they are looking at and
looking at very closely, all their communications, text messages, you know,
all the cell phone locations, and any travel you know

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of any of these individuals in and out. All of
that will be explored and if there is something there,
a conspiracy will be charged. I believe it would be
a federal conspiracy would be you know, my recommendation if
they do have the evidence for that.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, going to be interesting to followup. Bright. I know
you've had a busy day. Thanks for a few minutes
of your time this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Thank you, thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Bred Tolman, former US Attorney for Utah. More coming up
on the Roden greg Show. Woman walks into Starbucks orders
one of Charlie Kirk's favorite drinks and they won't put
a label on the drink. Charlie Kirk. Listen to this exchange.

Speaker 9 (23:50):
Hi, let me get at grunding majesty, the two honeys.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
About here?

Speaker 9 (23:57):
Okay, thought that's it, big.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
What was the name of the order? The name is
Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
We can't do political.

Speaker 10 (24:07):
Names, but it didn't he ask for names begin with,
so it's gonna be three seventy five.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Okay, Well, but can you write the name on the
cup the Super Bowl?

Speaker 8 (24:13):
Prince?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Oh, you can't write on that.

Speaker 11 (24:15):
I could, but I could write Charlie.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Why can't you write the whole name because it's political?

Speaker 8 (24:21):
Political?

Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (24:22):
Yeah, let me stay here.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Okay, you know what, forget it.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't want it.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Is that Nuney or what?

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
So I don't go there. So I don't know how
often people put the names on.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
The count what they think. They put the names on
the cup so they know who it is. I don't
go there is, but that would be.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
My if it's a favorite drink of it, whatever it
might be. They put it name just kind of a
way to remember them. But it does seem bizarre to me.
I bet you if you said I'd like to put
Barack Obama yeah on there, I don't know, they'd say, well,
you can't put that. You can't put that name on
a cup.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, the story is that Starbuck nationwide, I guess international
White have put in their computers that it cannot print
out the name Early Kirk specifically.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, I would say, if your ban is political, you
better come up with a with a list longer than
just one name.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what they did. It's just the world is.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Going crazy, very interesting, very interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
World's are going crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Look to be honest, I don't want to force anyone
to do anything. We're not trying to say you can't
do it. But I just think companies that want to,
you know, certain policies are going to create trust or
not amongst customers. That's it, all right, when.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
We come back, you will hear the Utah County Prosecutor
outlined the exchanges between Tyler Robinson and his lover that's
coming up to stay with us.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
It was about noon today where the attorney, Jeff Gray
came out. He was the only one who spoke during
this media with the news media and outlined some of
the charges against Tyler Robinson.

Speaker 11 (25:51):
Today, after reviewing the evidence that law enforcement has collected
thus far, I am filing a criminal information charging Tyler
James Robinson, aged twenty two, with the following crimes. Count
one aggravated murder, a capital offense for intentionally or knowingly

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causing the death of Charlie Kirk under circumstances that created
a great risk of death to others. Count two felony
discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury, a first
degree felony. The state is further alleging aggravating factors oncounts

(26:35):
one and two because the defendant is believed to have
targeted Charlie Kirk based on Charlie Kirk's political expression and
did so knowing that children were present and would witness
the homicide.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
You know what was pointed out during that news conference today, Greg,
is that how close other people came to being hit
by that bullet. I mean it was there were hundreds
of people gathered around this tent and how close they
came deludes in their lives.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
And understand, the assassin had more bullets. Yeah, he was
prepared to. He did not know he was not going
He was going to make the hit and the first shot,
and he had more bullets to fire. If he were
to miss, those bullets would wherever they would land, would
likely hit another person. So he had more than one bullet.
This wasn't a one shot deal for him. He didn't
need the others, but he had them prepared to do so.

(27:27):
It means that people had he missed, would have been killed.
And that was fine, with him. He had more bullets
to go to try and get, you know, accomplish what
he was out to set thing out to do.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
And Jeff Gray today went through step by step the
process what their investigation had uncovered. And I think the
most compelling part of all of this was where Jeff
Gray talked about the exchanges the text messages between Tyler
Robinson and his lover. Listen to this. Now, this sound
bites a little bit longer than we would normally would run,

(27:57):
but I think it gave you a pretty good picture
as to what happened after the shooting took place.

Speaker 11 (28:01):
The roommate. Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological nell who
was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate
told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about
the shooting, and he did provide those messages to police.

(28:23):
On September tenth, twenty twenty five, the roommate received a
text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing,
look under my keyboard. The roommate looked under the keyboard
and found a note that stated, quote, I had the
opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to

(28:44):
take it. Police found a photograph of this note. The
following exchange text exchange then took place. After reading the note,
the roommate responded, what you're joking, I Robinson. I am
still okay, my love, but am stuck in orum for

(29:05):
a little while longer yet, shouldn't be long until I
can come home. But I got to grab my rifle still.
To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret
till I died of old age. I am sorry to
involve you, roommate. You weren't the one who did it, right, Robinson,

(29:26):
I am, I am, I'm sorry, roommate. I thought they
caught the person, Robinson. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude,
then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to
grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but
most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet,

(29:48):
almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Roommate.

Speaker 11 (29:53):
Why Robinson?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Why did I do it?

Speaker 11 (29:56):
Roommate? Yeah, Robinson, I had enough of his hatred. Some
hate can't be negotiated out. If I am able to
grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence
going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have
moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Roommate,

(30:21):
how long have you been planning this, Robinson? A bit
over a week. I believe I can get close to it,
but there is a squad car parked right by it.
I think they already swept that spot, but I don't
want to chance it. Robinson again, I'm wishing I had
circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
To my vehicle.

Speaker 11 (30:43):
I'm worried what my old man would do if I
didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Pretty amazing, Pretty amazing. As to what the exchange was,
a couple of things. First of all, he was really
hoping Greg he could get away with us. Yes, I
mean he said in there. You know, I was hoping
they'd never find out. They'd find out after I was
dead years down the road. He was helping to get
away with it, and he was trying to cover it up,

(31:09):
no doubt about it. He was doing everything he could.
He planned this, as it said in these text messages.
He's planned it for about a week. He knew Charlie
Kirk was coming to UVU. He planned this, then he
tried to cover it up.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, there's no there. I think an insanity plea, which
you know, anybody that commits a crime like this, you
have to ask yourself are they Are they in their
right mind to the degree that anyone who who would
do something like this is his his planning. Everything he's describing,
this kid is in his right mind. He is. He
is out to kill Charlie Kirk, and he explains why,

(31:45):
and he describes in great detail how much planning he's
done and what he's trying to still accomplish. Sometimes I think,
I don't know. I'm not in law enforce him, but
I think sometimes you'll see prosecutors that will pursue the
death penalty with the hope of trying to tie up
loose ends or get a confession if they will plead
down to life without parole. Yeah, I don't think any

(32:08):
of that is on the table here. I don't know
what this defendant could offer that would take the death
penalty off the table at this point. I think it's
it's there because it's it merits that punishment for what
he's done. And I don't think that he's going to
be able to negotiate that down.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
And how would he I mean, you know what is
what does he have to offer now? Unless he names
possibly so people help him put this together. I don't
think that's enough to convince anybody that he shouldn't get
the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
No, I don't either. If you look, if you're going
to have a death penalty and you don't apply it here,
then when do you. I honestly I have no idea this.
It's the one thing I don't like about the death
penalty is a sentencing hearing when people get to decide
whether the actually put you found him guilty. That's already
been decided. Now we're gonna we're gonna line up all
the victims family to tell you why he needs to
be put death, and all the all the the assailant

(32:59):
in the in the you know, the person that did it.
Their family says, please show mercy. And then to me
it feels like a popularity contest. I'm telling you, if
you have a death penalty and you don't apply it here,
then just get rid of it. Don't have it because
I don't know when when you would apply it or
why you would apply it. If you don't do it
right now it is. I do have some issues. I

(33:19):
think that there's a subjectiveness to it sometimes that I
don't understand. If you have it, this is the moment
or don't fool yourself that you have because I just don't.
So right now, this is when you use it.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It was premeditated, There's no doubt about that at all. Greg,
he planned for this, he carried this out. He's admitted
to his roommate. Yeah, well, huh, you're always kind of
the guy that did it, you know, he's admitted all
of that. I'm with you. I mean, he should walk
in that court. He won't do this, but to save
us all the grief, especially on Charlie Kirk's family and

(33:54):
really his own family, had the guts to walk in
there and say I'm guilty. Yeah, and you want you
want to get this taking care of.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Just be done with it. Don't even try to argue
away from it or try to find some technicality to appeal.
There's enough out there. Just just meet your you know,
take your sentence, and meet your judgment in the next life,
because it's coming.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
We want to get more of your thoughts on this.
We'll talk about the death penalty like Greg and I.
We both agree. I've never seen a case that warns
the death penalty more than this one. Yeah, the evidence is.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Clear, Yeah, there's I just think if you don't in
this case, then then stop fooling yourself that you have it.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone, do'al pound two to fifteen and
say hey Rod or on the talkback line. Download the
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us a talkback message as well your thoughts. You're comings
coming up on the Rodden Greg Show. Donald Trump coined
the phrase gosh ten ten years ago. I think now

(34:55):
Greggy called the fake news bringing up fake news. Well,
apparently it's working. A new you gov poll bought into
the false narrative that the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk
is a Republican. Twenty seven percent of the people in
this survey were asked about this, and they believe that

(35:17):
Tyler Robinson is a Republican.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Because denial anxious a river in Egypt. I'll tell you
that right now. Here's what I love about the Left.
You had Jimmy Kim Kimmel saying this last night. This
is this car, this is all from the right. This
is the right. You have that lunatic Keith over and
saying the same thing. If you heard from the county attorney,
you take county attorney Jeff Gray. There is no room
for opinion here. There is just fact now that this

(35:41):
was a political assassination aimed directly at at Charlie Kirk
and the things that he expresses, and the things he
expresses are right of center, Okay they are, And so
there is no there is no other interpretation of this
other than political violence against the right by the left.
And that's the end of it. Now. The reason that
what they try to do is they know they're in
the wrong, but they and they've been exposed so much

(36:03):
that they now they're saying, well, it's the right. Why
did you celebrate so much if it was the right
that did it? Are you celebrating the right? Are you
saying that that people that are on the right were
doing the right thing? Because you couldn't fall over yourself,
You couldn't, You couldn't celebrate fast enough, hard enough the
whole time. They can't stay consistent on this, and they
don't have to. They're they're only out These are all tactics.

(36:25):
They only want to further their political agenda. They see
everyone else as an enemy and someone needs to be destroyed,
not There's no space for any other opinion, so they
don't have to be consistent in their arguments. They're just
making any argument they can with the hopes that the
American people will buy it. And you've got dummies out
there in that poll. The do buy it yea, without

(36:45):
a scintilla a proof. They're going to buy into that
because they want to buy into it because they don't
want to be the bad guys in this. And let
me tell you something. I got my new job. My
new job is I want there to be debate. I
want there to be thoughtful debate, not with me. I'm
going to take these I'm going to expose these demons
from the hole they crawl out of from hell, and
I'm gonna let everybody know who they are and so
they go back where they came from. Because my job

(37:07):
now is to let people have these great conversations and
in debate and have a diversity of thought. But I'm
going to expose the people that are trying to stifle
that debate. Well that's what this program, at least my
side of this room, the studio, is going to be.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
How many times since we learned the identity of the
suspect in this whole case, did you hear the mainstream
media in this country call them from a Republican family,
a close knit Republican family.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Or how about this a Mormon family. I never see
the Catholic family. I've never seen the Episcopalian family. I've
never seen the I only ever hear Mormon family. It's
I never hear anyone else's religions thrown up next to
the word family or person, suspect, whatever it may be.
It's and so look, this is evil, this is this
is demonic, This is and and the left it is

(37:57):
on their side of the ledger. I'm not going to
entertain one word that this is somehow both sides, both sides,
because that creates political cover for them to continue to
do it, because they can blame in another side too.
And all we do is run around and say, no,
we really aren't the ones doing it. I won't even
accept them. I will just keep telling you they're doing
this is their tactic, not their problem, not something they

(38:18):
have to overcome. It's a tactic.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
They've done it all right, Let's go to the phones.
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero
on your cell phone. That'll pound two to fifteen. Say
hey Rod, or give us a message on the talk
back line. To the phones we go. We begin in
Fountain Green tonight with Abram. Abram, How are you welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I'm great. How are you guys doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
We're doing well. How about you?

Speaker 5 (38:42):
I'm excellent. I'm over the anger stage. I'm over the
you know, finally through the sadness of what we just
experienced as a nation and actually as a world. My
comment I wanted to make I wanted to kind of
play Devil's advocate. I mean, we're seeing this trial take place,
We're seeing things pan out. Now, what are we prepared
to do as a society if this doesn't go the

(39:03):
way that we think it's going to go? And I granted,
there's plenty of evidence to convict this gentleman for the
crimes and that the heinous act that he committed, but
there's a lot of people that aren't as calm and
collect and will accept what's going what might possibly happen
as well if that goes, you know, if he gets off,
which are highly doubt it's going to happen. But I
just wanted to get your thoughts. What do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Thought to think it is frightening thing and it's good,
it's actually it's actually cool to talk about it a
little ahead of time so that you're not caught flat footed,
because there there probably would be there would be a
visceral and reaction and maybe even an inclination, you know,
to be violent or to do something. I would hope
that I think Charlie Kirk has created such an incredible example.

(39:49):
There is a revival that's going on right now. People's
hearts have been touched. People have I just I've not
seen it. I've not seen something like this. I want
to believe that the riots you've seen on the left
have been have been matched on the right and by
everyday Americans with vigils, with prayers. I want to I
want to believe that we will will keep grounded that way.

(40:09):
I just, man, I just hope that this, this this
evidence carries the day, because I think that would be
a horrific outcome. That would be really hard to keep
your cool. I know, I would have a.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Hard time, I think right now, and I think they're
going to feel this a for him. There is going
to be so much pressure on this prosecution team to
make sure they get everything right. I mean, they're crossing
the t's dotting the eyes that this guy doesn't get
off on the technicality because if he does, there are
people out there who are just going to have a

(40:39):
very tough time accepting it. I hope it doesn't happen.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah, And as a good as a person, I see
the person like myself, I like to think through these things,
even though it's a you know, it's a bad thought.
We don't want to think about it, but we have
to be prepared for whatever is going to come, and
we need to make the decision. And I would implore
people that might, you know, are banking on the system
because we've seen the system fail in the past before
and you know, I'm confident that it won't. But at

(41:05):
the same time, we need to decide as a as
a collective are we going to are we going to
stand up and are we going to honor Charlie and
do as you know, as God would command us to do?
And and kind of I mean I hate to say
turn the other cheek because it was very inflammatory phrase.
But you know, we we have to accept that whatever
is going to come down. But I think, like I said,

(41:26):
you know, in honoring Charlie and honoring what his message
was in the power, just like you spoke about Greg,
with everything that he's given us, it's kind of our
duty at this point to stand up and to uh,
you know, to choose the right. I guess if you
think real quick, Greg, I would be remiss if I
didn't tell you. My father told me to tell you.
We are we are from the Pittsburgh third ward back east.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
People think we're Amish in Pittsburgh. So it's good to
have a fellow, you know, from the third ward. That's great.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Thanks kind of nice. All Right, more your calls, more
your coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine day an us.
All right, I'm gonna bring this up as a matter
of discussion.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Okay, all right, I'm not afraid of discussion. I know
these hypotheticals get a little strained. But okay, it wasn't us.
But to be fair, our great smartest listing audience in
all the Land. It was a talkback question that was prefered,
So it's not like we just dreamt this up on
our own.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
We aren't thinking this, but this this listener wanted to
make a comment, posed a rather interesting question here it is.

Speaker 13 (42:35):
Yeah, I just had a thought. What if Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica,
came out and asked the prosecution if they could take
the death penalty off the table into show mercy. Do
you think they would do it?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Uh, you gotta admit an interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Question, so I'll say what I said. You know, during
the commercial break, I've been watching a lot of Charlie
Kirk videos with his engaging with people on campus. He
let everybody who disagree with them come to the front
of the line. He wanted to have them ask their
questions first and foremost. And I didn't know that before
this weekend, but one of the questions was was this

(43:19):
exact issue about the death penalty and then you know,
turn the other cheek and Christianity. Being a Christian and
Charlie Kirk went into a very elaborate and steeped in
the doctrine, answered that the Mosaic law, as he reads
it and understands it, is not rejected and removed from

(43:41):
our faith and in place of the New Testament or
the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but that they come in fulfillment.
But there it's like a hand in a glove work together.
And so he maintained in his answer to the student
that a life for a life is still is still right,
it's still moral, it's still and you're not contradicting your

(44:02):
Christian faith to believe as much well that said, I would,
I would hope that his that his wife and his
surviving family would let justice be served. As the prosecution
and as the people have pursued want to pursue it,
I would hope they wouldn't want to interrupt that. If
they did, it does make everything a little bit harder

(44:22):
in terms of how you pursue it. But I would
hope that they would not. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I'm with you. It'd be interesting if they did, but
I don't think they'll do it. I don't think. I
don't think Erica Kirk would do it. Maybe maybe there's
something else you could do, but I don't think. I
don't think they'd She would ask the prosecutors to take
the death penalty off the table.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I don't think she will. I don't think again if
I didn't hear his answer being so, I mean, he
articulated far better than I just did. That's why he's
Charlie Kirk. But but he he did have a very solid,
well thought out answer to the death penalty and his
Christian faith and them and not and it was not
a contradiction to have to believe them both. So where's

(45:04):
a nightmare that I.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Neither one of us want to approach on that one?
All right, more of your calls and comments coming up.
It is the Rod and Graig Show on Utah's Talk
Radio one O five nine k n R. S.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Poor Rod, I'm in these, in these commercial breaks, retorting
making the actual accurate case that this person's wrong and
that this is a pure leftist tactic. And I'm not
going to listen to the Tesla takedown is somehow equivalent
to the bud Light boycott. I mean, I can't even
I don't even know why I'm replying. Sorry, folks, I'm saying, Hughes,

(45:40):
I'm doing my best out here. I'm just trying to
fight the good fight. Okay, That's just that's all you
need to know. I'm fighting a good fight.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
All right, we'll get to our talk about comments. Uh,
you heard a few of these exchanges today. Cash Bettil,
the head of the FBI. Director of the FBI, had
a field day on Capitol Hills.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
Is good.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
You wait to wait to hear some of the exchanges.
He had one with Corey Booker. He had one with
what's her name, she's from Hawaii, Masihrano or whatever her
name is. And and with Adam Schiff and talk about
a put down to Adam shift today. It was great.
And we'll let you hear those coming up in the

(46:22):
six Gold Tower because they are they're very very he did.
He's like you, he didn't back down.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
No, it come I you know, I'm I think that's
where you know. I am trying to follow the example
of Charlie Kirk more so now than I've ever done before.
I understand more. But I got a different job, you guys.
You guys have that thoughtful debate, that that that diversity
of thought. I got a new job as of last week,
and I'm doing it. And that is I am not.

(46:49):
I am giving no quarter to this lie that the
Republicans and Democrats and all of America has a problem
with violence right now because we do not. It is
this left that uses the tactic, and I will stop
making that case to those that it's an uncomfortable truth.
Someone's got to share it. It's going to be me.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
All right, Let's go to the talk back line and
see what people have to say as we talk about
the investigation of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Here's one
of our talkback listeners.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
Well, and if I owned a coffee shop, I would
absolutely take that same drink and make it a Charlie
Kirk special.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Talking about Starbucks. Starbucks today, a woman went in to
order a drink that Charlie Kirk apparently likes. MY guess
is as a tea drink, but I'm not sure. And
she said, you know, I don't go to a Starbucks,
but I guess they put the label on the cup
as you know, like it's Rod's drank or Greg's drink whatever.
And this lady asked, could you put Charlie on there?
And they said Charlie's front. She said, could you put

(47:44):
Charlie Kirk on there? No, we can't do that. That's
a political comment and we don't do that here at Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Well, if it's a long standing policy and they have
some list of political names that they don't put on there,
that would be fine. But I worry that there's one
name that has made that list and it's only one
name that they're sensitive about, and that's where it would Again,
you can't force them too. I wouldn't. I wouldn't say
they can't. I just don't know if if that's widely
understood by customers that they'd want to go to a

(48:12):
place that has such a weird rule.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Apparently Starbucks has a put an algorithm in all their
computers around the world that they cannot the computer cannot
print out two words Charlie Kirk. It can't do it.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
And again, if it's only those two, and you can't
say it's we don't put political words out, that's no,
we don't put Charlie Kirk's name on it. That's all
you're saying. If that's the only two, If that's the
only name you're not allowed to use on your order
for your coffee as his, that is not a policy
about not putting political names on that's a policy about
making sure Charlie Kirk's name.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Is it's not on there. That's true. Here's another talk
back comment.

Speaker 14 (48:48):
Hi, Rodin, Greg, I got a question I'd like for
you to ask Greg Tolman. I'm glad you have him
on today. Ask him why a hate crime was not
one of the seven charge is mentioned today.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
That's interesting. We we brettan, Yeah, we got just after
Brett Tolman. I don't know why they didn't issue the
hate crime charges.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I think I do, and I think that in the
cases where hate crimes have been charged, this certainly would
would measure up. But I think that that's I think
they're trying to stay away from uh charges that they
can be more, they can be challenged, that the jury
may struggle with that. You have to I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know why it wasn't because

(49:30):
it's been done before. But thought crimes are harder to prove,
I would think than just the actual evidence of a
real crime, and there's so much evidence of a real
crime having been committed here, with the penalties being higher,
I would go I think they're going for the capital
punishment because of the actual murder and maybe leaving that one,
you know, leaving that one alone.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, probably so difficult, difficult, to prove. I think.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I think that because the FBI came in so early,
I think because the coordination was so thorough, because the
high profile on the end of this crime, I do
think their chain of cussy is going to be tight.
I do think their processes were very, very careful from
the start. I sometimes when these high profile obvious where
you think the obvious verdict is coming, there's been some

(50:13):
sloppiness along the way where maybe they weren't appreciating the
moment or the scrutiny they were going to be under,
and then they fell short because of that scrutiny. I
think the scrutiny was high inherently from the second this happened,
and so knowing a Sheriff Smith, Utah County Sheriff Smith
the way I do knowing Jeff Gray, I do think
that they this this will It's a high bar they

(50:36):
needed to be very throw and I think they will
have met the met the measure they needed to.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I think this may be, if not the highest, one
of the highest profile cases we've ever had here in
this state of Utah since I've been here. I think
it is, and I think I agree with you. I
think everybody involved in the investigation. The prosecution of this
case are being extremely careful not to screw it up.
I hope they don't. All Right, Cash Battel and you

(51:03):
name it. He went after him today on Capitol Hill.
We'll let you hear some of those exchanges. Do you already,
volks for some fireworks that's coming up? Stay with us. Well,
Cash Betel, who's the director of the FBI. Ever since
his name came up he was nominated by the President,
he has received intense criticism from Democrats in Washington. They

(51:25):
just don't like the guy. Yep, they don't like the
job he's doing.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Well, they don't like anything that Trump's do.

Speaker 10 (51:31):
It.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
He just did the whole administration, every cabinet member. It's
a consistent your drum beat, Yeah, that's it. It's all
the same.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Well, he was up on Capitol Hill today appearing before
a Senate committee, and boy did he have some rather
interesting exchanges with Democratic members of that committee. Let's begin
with the exchange he had with Corey Booker. Now, remember Corey,
did he do that like twenty four hour speech on
the Floorida Senate. Yeah, it's I forgot, But listen to

(52:05):
this exchange between Cash Patel and sender Corey Booker from
New Jersey Today.

Speaker 12 (52:10):
I don't think you're fitting in the bureau. But here's
the thing, mister Patel, I think you're not going to
be around long. I think this might be your last
oversight hearing because as much as you supplicate yourself to
the will of Donald Trump and not the constitution of
the United States of America, Donald Trump has shown us
in his first term and in this term, he is.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Not loyal to people like you. He will cut you loose.

Speaker 12 (52:34):
This maybe the last time I have a hearing with you,
because I don't think you're long for your job.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
But I'm going to tell you this. I pray for you.

Speaker 12 (52:42):
I pray for you as you can step up and
defend your oath, defend the Constitution, and do a much
better job of defending this country.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Thank you, mister Shirman.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
Do you want to say.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 15 (52:58):
That and a false information does not bring this country together.
If you want to work on bringing this country, it's
my time, not yours.

Speaker 12 (53:07):
My god, my god, you want to talk about biding
this country, it is follow you on your social media post?
Is my time to address you?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Try all you in this country?

Speaker 1 (53:23):
My time for what time?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You're time over?

Speaker 12 (53:27):
This committee?

Speaker 7 (53:27):
Sir?

Speaker 12 (53:27):
You don't tell me my time is over?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
You know how the chair should be telling me my time.

Speaker 12 (53:32):
You can't lecture me, you can tell my time.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
And I am, mister chairman, not afraid of you.

Speaker 12 (53:41):
Mister.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Can I tell you anything accomplished in that exchange?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Can I tell you that this is proof positive to
America that that this this legislative branch doesn't know how
to work because they don't really have productive going over bills,
amending bills, perform asking for yes, they don't. They don't
have there's a process there and there is a time
where you're able to speak, and when you're out of
order as a committee member, the chair can turn the

(54:07):
microphone off. You don't have we don't have to hear
what we just heard. If some if a chair knows
how to do that job, and when the when the
when the senator is finished speaking and he turns his
time over, it is true that the that the that
the witness has been given, especially when the chair says,
would you like to respond, he gives him the microphone,
turns it on, he should be able to speak uninterrupted.

(54:28):
That is the decorum, especially in the Senate, well, Senate
ant house. But they don't know what they're doing because
they don't have real hearings unless it's performative.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, here's another Macy Herona, who is the center from Hawaii.
I had questions about what Cash Betel, as director of
the FBI, is now asking his potential agents to do.

Speaker 9 (54:48):
That You are not requiring applicants to be able to
do a certain kind of pull ups, which a lot
of women cannot because of physiological differences.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Are you requiring.

Speaker 9 (55:05):
These kinds of pull ups?

Speaker 15 (55:07):
We are requiring a physical program at BFTC at Quantico
because FBI agents carrying guns in the field have to
chase down bad guys and do really hard work of
the physical fitness standards of those agents.

Speaker 9 (55:19):
So are these signs of pull ups?

Speaker 15 (55:22):
We are requiring everybody to pass the eighteen eleven standards
at BFTC. If you want to chase down a bad
guy and put him in handcuff, you better be able
to do a pull up.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Wait a minute, I thought women wanted equality. No huh,
But right.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
When this senator is asking a question, can you can
it be any more obvious? She's reading this thing off
of a piece of paper. She doesn't even know what
she's asking. No, she's just reading. She's reading a question
they put in front of her to ask that she
doesn't she's not waiting for an answer because she didn't
really ask the question. Somebody put that question in front
of her for her to and she doesn't. She doesn't

(56:01):
even know what she's asking to hear an answer. She
would be able to understand, truly, for all the stuff
we've seen about Charlie Kirk and the and the on
the campuses and people that didn't agree with him, and
would come the dialogue that on those campuses between leftists
that didn't agree with them or kids that were on
campus that thought he was wrong, and the way they
would go back and forth far more civil, actually productive.

(56:23):
They actually gave it a lot. There was a much
higher effort to listen to each other than what you're
hearing in this and they senate hearings.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Now I've saved the best for last.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Is this the shift one?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
This is exchange between Cash Betel and our friend Adam
Shift out of.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
The American people to believe that do you think they're stupid?

Speaker 4 (56:46):
No?

Speaker 15 (56:46):
I think the American people believe the truth that I'm
not in the weeds on the everyday movements made. What
I am doing is protecting this country, providing historic affairs,
and combating the weaponization of intail by the likes of
you Europe. And we have talentlessly proven you to.

Speaker 16 (57:04):
Be a lawyer in Russia Gate in January six. You
are the biggest brought to ever sing United States Center,
disgrace to this time and an utter talent.

Speaker 12 (57:15):
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 16 (57:17):
I'm not surprised you continue to lie from your perch
and put on a.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Show so you can go raise money for your charade.
You are political buffoon at best.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
Well, you can take take.

Speaker 16 (57:31):
It to the bank that the FBI has protected this country,
the state and citicide, California, historic reformoid of order. But
all you care about is a child sex predator that
was prosecuted by a prior administration and the Obama Justice
Department and the Biden Justice Department did squad And what.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
Did President Trump.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Do bring new charges courageously?

Speaker 9 (57:55):
And what have we done?

Speaker 16 (57:58):
Transparent FBI director in history thirty three thousand pages of
information to you, I.

Speaker 15 (58:03):
Challenge you to say anything incredibly to the truth go
ahead and run on the cameras where you want to go.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Now, why, clearly they do not have buttons that turn
off microphones in that Senate committee room. I do not
know why you can't go to the state legislature and
have your come here microroom.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know what I love. He called them,
to his face, a bald face liar, And that's what
Adam Schiff is.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I will tell you that. I will tell you that
decorum is gone, and then there's nothing productive happening in
those moments. But there is a build up going on
because Adam Schiff, especially where he was telling the American people,
as you know, being the head of Intelligence Committee in
the House, that he had seen evidence against Donald Trump
that he had conspired with Russia, which was a lie.
The things that he has said and been willing to say,

(58:53):
the things that he's been caught leaking, which is against
federal law, that he's been caught leaking, and it's not questionable.
He is such a bad player that you see the
build up where he continues to get credibility from colleagues
in the Senate but also the media for a person
that is truly, truly a bad player, and that's why
you're hearing that kind of tension from a director Cash Pttel.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, yeah, Well we've had a We've got a caller
coming in. She wants to talk about liberal women when
it comes to the FBI. Here's Jody from Ogden tonight. Jody,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 10 (59:28):
Go ahead to say that, you know, we we as women,
we want to be treated like women, but we're not
equal to men as far.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
As physcal straight right, true.

Speaker 10 (59:43):
But if we're going to try up for the FBI,
we better be able to do a pull up, but
we better be able to take down the bad guys.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Jody, are you signing up? You have the right, you
have the mindset. I can hear the women vigor anything.

Speaker 10 (59:56):
To do with that. I've got family and law enforcement
and they can do it. But for that lady to
say that it is ridiculous. Yes, you need to be
able to call up. You need to be physically fit
to be part of the FBI, whether you're a man
or woman.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yes, absolutely right, Joyes, she knows it, She knows it.
Tell that to Masie Herona. All right, more of your
calls and comments coming up here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five to nine. Okay, and all right, let's
go back to the phones and talk with Ed, who's
in Taylorsville tonight on the Rod and Greg Show. Ed,
thanks for joining us. What's on your mind tonight?

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Ed? Well, thank you, Rod.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
It's been a while. Rod.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
You and I are close. At age, I was alive
and I remember it distinctly, the John F. Kennedy assassination.
And I just must tell you upfront. Yeah, I must
tell you upfront. I am not going along with what
the media is saying right now, and in some respects
it includes what Cash Betail is saying. But I want
to start by asking you, Uh, there's a game changer

(01:00:56):
going on right now. Have you seen the rents video today?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
One video isn't.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
Rant r E n s E dot com. I don't
know if you've ever Okay rants dot com. Now, he
used to be on stations that Merrill Cook used to
be on, and he's talks about the pair of normal
and different things. Jeff France has been into a lot
of things. I have not been able to stop watching
this video throughout the day. Somebody's gonna have to answer it.

(01:01:27):
It's good. It's gonna go viral before somebody takes it down.
But it's a nine second video. Before I had never
heard of the Chicago Palm pistol, and like this shooting
of Charlie Kirk last week, I was braced like everybody
else with either a mauser that they're saying, or a
seven hundred Remington. But this has got me looking at it.

(01:01:50):
It's a nine second video. At the five second mark
you'll see they'll guide you to it, the guy with
the brown outfit on. It's absolutely stunning, and I think
back to my days in the seventies and sixties of
hearing the sheep gipping of Lee Harvey Oswild and was
he a communist and all this and a lot of
that was debunked over time. Now we have like up

(01:02:11):
to the moment for those really researching people like rants
and people like others. I don't know what people like
Alex Jones are saying about this video, but it has
to be commented on because it's absolutely stunning. But anyway,
I wanted to share that with you because I think
this is all about narrative control and as you know,
Charlie Kirk was good friends with Catholic Candice Owens, and

(01:02:34):
she hasn't said anything about this video today or anything.
I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying that he
was starting to shift his opinion on some things revolving
around the Middle East wars. And apparently there's a lot
of people left and right, including Judge Napolitano, that is
commenting on this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Give us a website again, we will take a look
at it. What is it again?

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
Yeah, it's R E. N S E rant dot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Com dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
All right, well, the.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
Top story is, yeah, it's a nine second video. There
you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I'm looking at We'll take a look. What are you seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
There's a there's a gentleman in a brown shirt. It
looks like he's scratching his arm. But it looks like,
I mean the way the way the video the picks
that you could maybe make an argument that there was
a small gun in his hand that would have shot
at Charliekirk as well. So, yeah, he's a nine second video.
It's it's it's a different angle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I haven't seen is this a grassy knoll thing?

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Look, I think the guy is I think he's scratching
his arm right there. But look, I saw a different
video to the caller's point where you saw it like
his shirt or looked like there might have been two
entry one that hit him in one side and one
that hit his neck. But one thing I will tell you,
I I don't know if any of that's true, and
I don't I don't know if it's the forensic evidence.

(01:03:52):
And I think this is why they're going to be
very very thorough of the bullet that entered at Charlie Kirk's,
you know, his neck. I understand what I understand. I
watched too much TV, but I think I understand that
you can tell by the gun itself as well as
the bullet just from its markings that it came from
that particular gun. There should be forensic evidence that really
doesn't leave any gray area. We should be able to

(01:04:14):
we should know. But I will say that it was
mentioned when jd Vance, the Vice President, hosted The Charlie
Kirk Show in his absence on Monday yesterday, that it
was remarked that he had some very wealthy donors of
TPUSA who were at odds with some of Charlie Kirk's positions.

(01:04:34):
But They were praising Charlie Kirk for sticking to what
he believed was right and that he wasn't letting donors
shape his message or what he believed. He was staying
true to what he and so they noted that. So
the caller mentioned that there was some pressure he was
getting about certain issues. Look, if you have a think tank,
I'm sure and people are donating, I'm sure that there's

(01:04:55):
a lot of people wouldn't donate to a think tank
if they are a high network with individuals that they
didn't have some very strong convictions and strong opinions on issues.
So I would imagine that having a think tank that's
depending on contributions, you're going to hear from your donors.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Well, when this was first reported, I remember a week
ago tomorrow as a matter of fact, that you can
believe that, when I was waiting to get something deep
and the reports came over first, and then it was
buck Secton a sexton who saw the video. He thought
Charlie Kirk was shot in the chest because of his
shirt and the way his shirt responded to that. And

(01:05:30):
then you saw the other video, it was obvious that
he was shot in the neck. So you know, there
are questions about it, but I still believe we've got
a loan gunman here. That's my belief.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah, I do too, But I'll tell you that it
is deceiving because I took that. I saw the same
video from Afar, and you saw the word freedom and
you just saw that freedom word jump up from the
distance that was being taken. It certainly looked like he
was shot square in the chest. Yeah, but then when
you and the still shirt still jumps up when he's
shot in the neck. But you understand it much better

(01:06:00):
and horrific context when you see it closer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Yeah. All right, We've got a lot more to get
to on this Tuesday edition of The Rodding Gregg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. The
list of speakers is long, amazing list of speakers, and
we'll carry it starting at noon on Sunday, so we
invite you to listen in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
That's right. It is. It's a long it's a you
have President Trump, you have, I mean, it's a long list.
It looks like every cabinet member is gonna speak. I mean,
it shows how much influence and how well he worked
with President Trump and his administration. Even Don Junior will
be speaking but joining us on the program. Now. A
guest on this show, a frequent guest, Guy Shrocki. He

(01:06:41):
is a political commentator and contributor of Broad and Liberty,
The pittsgh. I call him Pittsburgh Guy. He might be
calm from Philly right now. I don't know why, but
I think of him as a Pittsburgh guy like myself.

Speaker 8 (01:06:53):
Guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Welcome to the Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Good evening, guys. Well, I mean again, relatively speaking, so
it Oflfi's closer to Pittsburgh and Salt Lake City.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
That's true, That's true, correct, shape.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Just a mere four and a half hours down the road.
I was there the other night. As a matter of fact,
I was so nice to talk to you. Unfortunately, under
these horrible circumstances that I'm sure, uh you know, touch
this all in the nation, but in Utah, I know
it really impacted you, and yes, what you know, very

(01:07:26):
personally it did.

Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
Gey.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
This is one that has hit our state, and the
politics is a small world in Utah, so it has
been particularly jarring. Your op ed piece murder is wrong,
and it's not that hard to say. I've been saying
on this program that I'm just part of the anti
murder caucus. Okay, I'm opposed to murder without regard to
someone's opinion or political affiliation. But that isn't shared, and

(01:07:50):
that seems to be almost a radical position. Now, share
with our listeners what is the issue of But because
we're seeing the word but when we talk about murder nowadays,
or from the left especially, what does the word butt
have to do if someone is against murder or not.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Yeah, it's shocking to me. Look, you know, Greg, the
first time I really it shocked me was back last
year when the CEO of United Healthcare was gunned down,
I mean essentially assassinated, you know. And the hearing for
that fella was today. I don't like to talk about
the shooters. I talk about the victims. But was the

(01:08:30):
first time I heard folks say, well, you know, yeah,
this was horrible, but you know, healthcare is a controversial
issue that touches people. Heard and I nearly fell out
of my chair. And then I heard what you know,
healthcare companies make decisions that impact people's life and death
every day and I and I really it was the

(01:08:50):
first time that really jarred me. That there's anything other
than what happened was wrong. It was in marl it
was horrific, and that man had a family, and that
somebody would lie in wait in New York City and
gun him down. You know, especially for me as a Christian,
you know, at Christmas season, it's just it just it
founded me. And then you know, we've had so called

(01:09:13):
comedians and satirists talking about President Trump's near assassination here
in Butler of Pennsylvania, and then this. You know, what
happened to Charlie Kirk was a shame, but you know,
his rhetoric was really inflammasery. What happened to Charlie Kirk
was wrong, but you know some of the language he
used about family, about religion was really inflammable. And again,

(01:09:37):
so I had to write because it's nothing else in
the midst of this debate. Is the left kill more
than the right or the right kill more than the left?
You know, there's two things that I wanted to say.
One is this era of yes, but or you have
to understand should be over. Ye should be ostracized in society.

(01:09:58):
You should be ostracized in society. If you say that
you have a First Amendment right to think whatever you want.
You have a First Amendment right to say what you say.
But that doesn't mean we should be indifferent. A young
man was murdered in the prime of his life, someone
with a wife and children. He was murdered under a
banner of saying, proved me wrong. Let's to be He

(01:10:21):
would show up on college campuses with a folding chair
and a table and a microphone and let anyone and
everyone talk to him. Whether you liked what he did
or not. What he was doing was thought provoking, and
even if you dare I say, hated it, you never
never murder him. And the fact to me that commentators

(01:10:42):
on television or politicians still have to talk to me
about Yes, but or you have to understand that what
he said was inflammatory. Heck, you and your listeners, we
care deeply about issues. I hear democrats say inflammatory things
all the time. It has never once crossed my mind
threatened because I'm the same and we live in a

(01:11:03):
civilized society. Americans don't resolve things that way. So I
did that as this sort of again, you know, a
clarion call as a writer, as a commensator. The era
of yes but or you have to understand must end
and when we encounter it left right or center, we
have to call it out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this guy. I'm not
sure if you're aware of this, but after the news
conference today, you actually have an ABC News reporter his
name is Matt Gudman kind of describing what happened in
that news conference today. And he's talking about the loving,
caring relationship that these two men had for each other,
and he was looking out to protect his lover. And
we're listening to that, go, what is this guy talking about? Guy?

(01:11:44):
That was unbelievable that would come from a network correspondent.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Well, Rod, my wife and I were having that conversation
two minutes before I came on your show. She's dumbfounded.
I'm dumbfounded. I mean again, look, you guys are in
live broadcasting. People make a slip of the time. But
this guy went on for three minutes trying to weave
back in this narrative about you know. I guess what

(01:12:11):
he was trying to say is, you know, he wrote
these loving things, he had this caring side to him.

Speaker 8 (01:12:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Look, I mean I have no idea whether John Wilkes
Booth wrote poetry for Lee. Harvey Oswald had a sensitive side.
You know, I grew up. I grew up in South
Philadelphia where there was organized crime and every once in
a while a mobster was killed. In eight interview, you
know the old lady next door and say he was
always so nice. He used to donate turkeys at Christmas

(01:12:40):
or Thanksgiving. I said, well, that's gee, I don't know
that you know, you being a member of organized crimes
donating turkeys and bounces it out. But it's one thing
for an old lady who's a neighbor who sweeping her
step to save that all hand another her professional to
get on the air and Tom muse to the nation
that his writings were touching and loving. I mean it

(01:13:04):
just again again. We have a right to call it out.
This reporter can apologize, he can say he had a
momentary laughs. But to me, it's the mindset that somehow
there's a justification or a soft side or a rationale
for this, and we can't have it. And we're now
debating real issues, capitalism versus socialism, what kind of immigration

(01:13:28):
policy to have? These are real issues if we can't
have them, and heaven forbid, guy, if you can't have
them on a college campus, where are we ever going
to talk to one another? And I thought, again, whether
you like Charlie or not, he's on a campus. And
he was debating, and he was challenging conservatives. Think why

(01:13:48):
you believe what you believe and be prepared to defend
it and learn from me. When they yell at you
and they come dressed in costumes, deal with it. It's okay.
And he was challenging the left. I know you're angry
at the president. I know you're angry at us, But
explain to me why the man was not a saint.
But the man was trying to elevate this course and
that anyone would attempt to justify taking his life in

(01:14:11):
such a visis vicious way. And as you as you
were talking on your show with no regard to the
students that were there, the staff, that was to traumatize
eighteen year olds who are watching that live that will
forever have that it etched into them. We civilized left
right center have to come forward. And it seems like
every time we talked, you know, somehow his name comes up.

(01:14:33):
But again, you know, Greg, you know, the pride, the
pride of Braddock, the pretty wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I know I was. If you were run that time,
I was going to go there, what is going on
with John Fetterman. He goes through counseling and turns out
to be the reasonable guy over there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Kind of crazy, kind of crazy guy. It's always great
to have me on the show. Thanks for a few
minutes of your time tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
I appreciate the opportunity. Again, my thoughts with all of
you that are are dealing with this in a special way,
and I commend all of you. As I said in
my column after it happened, no one was afraid of
rioting or anything else. You guys, there is quiet and
prayer and I commend you for it, and we're all
thinking of you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
So thank you, Thank you, guys. Shiaki joining us on
our newsmaker line talking about murder is wrong. Really never
never knew that, did youse?

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
There's no button just as soon as the murder happens
at murder is wrong, there is no button. And I
and I'm telling you it's a tactic. It's not a
problem the left has. It's not they're they're not confused,
they're not making mistakes they need the more they're trying
to create political cover so they can continue to do
what they're doing by trying to spread the blame.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah, all right, more coming up, final segment of the
Rod and Greig Show on Talk Radio one oh five
nine k n RS. We mentioned when we were talking
guys Shiaki a moment ago about this, this reporter with
ABC News name is Matt Gutman. After the news conference today.
I'm gonna play this back. I'm not going to play
the whole thing, but I'll play a portion of it
and listen to how he describes the text messages between

(01:16:00):
Tyler Robinson and his lover. List of this analysis from
this guy, see if he can stomach it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
First of all, we have seen an alleged murder with
such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where
it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it.
But also it was very touching in a way that
I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate
portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the

(01:16:26):
suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who was transitioning,
calling him my love and I want to protect you,
my love.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
So it was this duality of.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Someone who, the attorney said, not only jeopardized the life
of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it
in front of children, which is one of the aggravating.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Circumstances of this case.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
And on the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly
about his partner, so very interesting, as Pierre said.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Riveting press confensdatd.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Speaking lovingly about his partner, describing how he hit a
gun that just killed somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
How do you do that again?

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
And I thought Guy's examples were spot on. We don't
know the riveting and loving communications of you know, Wilkes
Booth who assassinated Lincoln, or Lee Harvey Oswald who assassinated JFK.
We don't know it because it's not relevant. We don't
know it because it doesn't matter a wit. You know,

(01:17:20):
whose loving relationship has been stolen and robbed and destroyed.
It's what that man took from Charlie Kirk and his wife,
Erica and those sweet little kids. That's all we need
to know. And when you want to start romanticizing the assassin,
that's what he did. He romanticized the assassin. It's disgusting,
and I tell you, I'm actually glad they're just showing themselves.

(01:17:42):
I just hope Americans are. Every day Americans are watching
this and their stomach's turned as much as we should.
There is just this moral relevance you know, that's going
on that you know, relativity. I should say that it
doesn't exist in real life that they are trying to
create that we should just reject out of hand.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Well, and what was it the other night? It was
Monday night or Tuesday night? Was that John Dickerson or
Dixon with CBS News, anchor of CBS. We don't know
the motive. They're still searching for the motive. Are you
kidding me? It is as plain as the nose on
your face.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
And it was yesterday we don't know the motive, but
he said it. Now today he comes back and says, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
There's a motive.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I guess there's a motive there. You know what wake up?

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Yeah, the etchings on the on the bullet cases explain
it all the addition, say, I just you know they're
going to continue. I just I think that they have
no shame. I if someone expected Jimmy Kimmel, who yesterday
said he's a Republican and they're just trying to say
that he's not, but he really is. With what was
shared today in this press conference, I wonder if he
has any any shame, any any project to walk back

(01:18:48):
what he said yesterday that was so verifiedly wrong. Will
he walk it back? He probably won't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
These Democrats have no shame, Greig. They'll never walk it back.
They won't admit it. They have no shame.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
And I think it's a tactic. I don't think that
they actually feel bad about any of it. I think
they're trying to deflect. I think they're trying to create
political cover because fear is their greatest weapon in trying
to compel behavior of the American people. And I think
that's just a tool. They use it and they don't
want to stop using it. But I think Americans are
onto this, this horrific time we've been through. I think

(01:19:21):
the has been pulled back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Sure has all right? That does it for us? Tonight,
head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family,
and that it's great country of hours. We'll be back
tomorrow at far. Enjoy the evening,

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