The Rod and Greg Show: Dems Suddenly Angry About Free Speech; Constitution Day

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is it too much to ask the world to slow
down for just a little bit? Could you just kind
of back it down, maybe into first gear? Uh, just
slow it down so we can catch up on everything.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Look, I'm a bit of I'm a bit of a
nube to this. Rod and Greg shows just a little
over a year old. It's just a toddler of a show.
But it seems to have been a high pace from
the word go. Yeah, since I got here, and it's
I think it's an incredible time to be on the
radio talking about the current events and the issues going
on right now, because they change, you know, from morning
to afternoon, day to day, or they just keep going

(00:32):
and it is a fast pace. But I I feel
lucky to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, yeah, you think about it. Greg. We started at
the Republican National Convention last but a week before that
there was an assassination attempt on the Treasman's life, and
then you had the election, then you had everything Trump
is trying to do right now. I mean, it's it's
just a crazy world and it is spinning fast. Wow,
it is.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
And what's front of mine, at least for a lot
of people right now, is this is this Jimmy Kimmel.
We announced this yesterday in real time as it was
breaking yesterday, and we spoke a little bit about it.
But I don't know if we're going to get into
this right now, But I just think the collective protest
recoil just just weeping and wailing from the regime media

(01:14):
are is everything you should have and we should have
been able to hear from them a week ago when
Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Everything they talk about regarding free speech,
everything they're talking about that is it's wrong about what's
happened should have been everything they were saying in the
aftermath of his murder that they didn't say, but boy,
you fire their friend. Well now we're at a five

(01:35):
alarm fire. It just shows again everything that they're looking
at and it is all related to their people's opinions
and party affiliation. Where they're outrage is found. And that's
why people have just had a belly full of all
of them.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, they certainly have. Well, we will get into the
Kimmel's story here in just a minute, but other things
we'll talk about. Steve More will join us. We'll talk
about the impact the interest rates are going to have
on that a little bit later on, we'll talk about
a devotional coming up on Sunday and we'll talk with
one of the guest speakers. We forgot to mention this yesterday.
It was Constitution Day yesterday. We're so busy with everything

(02:11):
else we forgot.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
To mentioning that's right, and we need Constitution Day particularly
right now. I think this is about the time we
need to be having very good conversations. We got a
lot of crazy months. This is a month that Utah
has dedicated founders are founding fathers, and Constitution Day is
important and so a lot to talk about there that
I think we should also delve into.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, let's get into the Kimmel's story right off the bat.
As you work your way home on this Thursday afternoon, Greg,
I tell you what, I was so interested, so interested
to see what the ladies on the view would say
today in light of the Kimmel you know, whatever dismissal
firing and not fire Jet, but whatever is going on
with Jimmy Kimmel. I wanted to see what they were

(02:55):
going to say about it today, right. I just wanted
to say I knew they were going to say something,
you know, what naa. They said nothing today about the
situation involving Jimmy King.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
And this proves what I believe is at the heart
of all of it. This is an elephant in the
room that's so big. Their face is being smashed up
against this over but they can't even really talk because
it's just right up against them. They know they want
to talk about, They want to talk about so badly,
and the fact that they don't is because the people
at ABC and their affiliate stations around the country that

(03:29):
are just done with those shows and don't think they
bring them enough eyes or entertainment that they want to
continue them on. We're hoping that the view would speak
about it so they could have some standing to give
them a pink slip as well, because at the end
of the day, I'm going to tell you, we can
come up with all the narratives we want free speech.
You know, this is Trump being too tough on everyone.
It's whatever they want to say. At the end of

(03:51):
the day, it didn't make money, so it didn't make sense.
And the fact is that they as soon as there
was some standing that this network would have to be
able to give to take to end Jimmy Kimmel's show,
they were going to do it. It would cost a
lot to just summarily or without cause, fire him. But
when you have, when you have the circumstances you had,

(04:11):
were the FCC in a transparent way, by the way,
saying we have a public interest, we have to stare
at We're gonna stare at things like this where a
lie is not corrected. And then you have affiliates, whether
it's the next Star affiliate like we have here at
Channel Channel fill ABC affiliate here in and an Sinclair
actually is also a station here in Utah, but they
have stations across the country. They have no interest in

(04:34):
show having that show. There's some other shows that are
popular that they could draw eyes that they'd want to
show instead. ABC is a network, knew they were losing
those stations. This was a moment where they could let
him go with cause. And I'm telling you, if the
ladies on the View had jumped into that same narrative,
they'd be going they'd be booted too.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, you know what was it?

Speaker 3 (04:54):
It was?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know, everybody thought, well, maybe they're done because they
took a break this summer. But that's very typical from
what we understand, but there were stories coming out earlier
this year Greg that ABC News executives had sat down
with the ladies on the View and said tone it
down a little bit, and I guess a couple of
them said, absolutely not. We aren't changing our thoughts on
Donald Trump in the leaf's bit. And so I think

(05:16):
they're now walking on eggshell's. It's going to be interesting
to see if they even dare go into this well
and the approach that they'll take.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And I think you know, they had read some letters
from attorneys when they had gotten some things wrong. Now
I just want to say, I just want to share
this timeline. On Monday is when Jimmy Kimmel accused Magas
supporters everyone on the right of trying to misidentify or
say that the assassin was from the left, because the
assassin really was a MAGA supporter, and that anybody that

(05:48):
supported Donald Trump we were all lying about this for clicks.
And that was on Monday. There was already enough information
out there for him to full well know that what
he was saying was not true. However, on Tuesday was
the press conference by the Utah County Attorney. County Attorney
Jeff Gray laying out even more evidence of where this
person's motivations come from, ideology, and it is irrefutable. At

(06:11):
that point, I saw the comments going, will Jimmy Kimmel
walk it back? Will you apologize? Will he do any
of this? That Tuesday was his window to walk back
lies that he had said if he thought they were
true on Monday. He now knows on Tuesday or not.
He did not so on Wednesday, that's when they made
that moment. So it's not like he said something and
then immediately after that there was some kind of reaction.

(06:33):
He had plenty of time to correct the record. Should
have correct the record because he was he was an
accusation that was proven false. He didn't want to correct it.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well, the story out of the Hollywood Reporter today as
to what happened on Tuesday, apparently they sat down with them,
maybe you see executives or somebody. I'm not sure which
executive it was, but sat down and he told them, look,
I am going to explain what I said and put
it in the proper context, but I am not going
to apologize. That's according to the Hollywood Reporter. They saw

(07:04):
that and said, if you aren't going to apologize because
you know what, Sinclair, one of the two big broadcast
companies that have taken him off the air, have said,
we want you to apologize, and we want you to
give money to the Charlie Kirk Foundation. Right, Yes, Well
he's not going to apologize because he's already said he's
not going to And do you think he'll give a
penny to the Charlie Kirk Foundation. That's why I think

(07:27):
they're setting it up Greg that he's never coming back.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I think that's where it is. And look, the
people on X have a long memory. I cannot tell
you how many stories are out there where he was
celebrating the termination of Tucker Carlson. Oh, I just thought
that was the funniest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, we'll play that a little bit later on this
show too.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
There's another one where I guess Aaron Rodgers, current Steelers
quarterback former Green Bay Packer quarterback, had said some things
about Jimmy Kimmel that he took great offense to, and
he spent some time on a monologue back in January
twenty four saying, we work very hard to get things,
and when we don't, we research it so that we
don't say things wrong, and when we do say something wrong,

(08:05):
if we do, we are quick to correct it. And
he was calling out Aaron Rodgers to correct himself about
what he had said about Jimmy Kimmel. Well, when you
read that in light of what he said on Monday,
he did not any He didn't do any of this
sort of what he said wasn't true on Monday night
when it was said it wasn't true. Tuesday, he didn't
want to correct anything. And on Wednesday, I think that

(08:26):
was the cause that that that ABC hemorrhaging money on
a show nobody watches was enough for them to say,
here's your pink slip yah, see you later. I think
if it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense that
man was costing that network money and they need as
soon as they had a reasonable cause for action, they
let him go. And it's no deeper than that.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
We have got a long list of comments about Kimmel
and we'll play those in the coming hour. And a
question I think you and I were talking about, you know,
is Late night television did in its current form? Oh?
Is it over?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah? In its current form, it's not. It's unsalvageable.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
And let's see if they try and bring it back.
Who do you think could host a show that was
similar to maybe a Carson or a Leno in today's world.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, it's a good question to find somebody like that.
And what I would say is you just get out
of the political realm entirely. Don't make it a Republican,
don't make it a Democrat. Get back to the Carson days,
the Jay Leno days, the days where it was equal
opportunity in terms of sattire and everything else. If they
don't get back to that, I mean, this sounds like
a Democrat convention, these guys talking at night.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, well Carson. You never knew where Carson stood because
I watched Carson for years and he'd level zingers against Reagan,
against Ford.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
You know, he.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Didn't care who it was he'd left. But they were
never I've always felt in today's late night talk show hosts,
the comments are mean. I mean, they're just mean. That
was never what Carson or even Jay Leno did Letterman
a little bit, but today is just like mean.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, back when, like they like to tease for it,
it's the trip kind of trip over you know, his
memory and stuff. But Yeah, No, it's it is, it's
it is beyond the pale. They've alienated half this country
and that's just not a I think a successful formula
for commercial success. I just don't think it is. And
I think that that's where the executives decided we got
to get out of this man.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, we'll talk about that and get your thoughts on
that in the show throughout the day today. The Fed
did drop the prime a quarter point yesterday. The market
really had a good day yesterday and a good day today.
In joining us on our news maker line to talk
about that is our good friend Steve More, economist, co
founder of Unleashed Prosperity. Steve. Great to have you back
on the show before we talk about the prime interest rate.

(10:37):
Greg and I have been talking about, of course, the
Jimmy Kimmel story, and this was much about business. Is
about anything else, wasn't it, Steve?

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Well, I have this strange idea about you know, comedy TV,
that it should be funny.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah, yeah, an unorthodox idea, and it isn't funny. And
it's you know, I I'm old enough to remember Johnny
Carson and David Letterman and uh, you know, people like
that who were funny and fun to watch, and these
new and it's not just Jimmy Kimmel, it's all of them.
For most of them are just snide and make fun

(11:14):
of conservatives. You know. Uh, the talk shows used to
me not so political, and also they were, you know,
they were so fun of everybody. The professor Now it's
you know, aimed at conservatives and Republicans, and so they
they've insulted half their audience and no wonder people are
tuning in.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
You listen, just you listen to some of the comments,
and it just would have never passed for a comedy
or b a national broadcasting to a general audience. It
just sounds like it's a it's coming straight out of
a party's convention. It's so it's so striking.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
That's not true.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
It really does so true. So I have to ask
you a different question. My son, who's who's in college's
senior at Utah State University, Uh, send me a text.
He never looks for Pop's advice, but he said, Dad,
this interest rate cut is that's actually a positive. And
I was shocked to hear a mask it in such
a weird way, But I saw your newsletter, and you
said that that, you know, Chairman Powell was so full

(12:08):
of doom and gloom as he was talking about, you know,
how they were cutting interest rates or anything else. I
gave my best take, but I'm not you to my
son that it was good news to see the Fed
finally act. It's a little late. But what was What
was the FED chair talking about that that sounded so
dire and bad compared to reality.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Well, I mean, I don't that's a good question. As
I said in the online today, what country was he
talking about? Certainly not the United States. We have a
great we have a booming comedy. Did you see what
happened today? All for the first time in history, all
four of the major indexes and n ASDAK, the S
and P five hundred, the Russell, and the Dow all
finished at.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
All time highs.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
And he's sitting there talking about how horrible everything is
and my gosh, we don't have any growth. And you know, now,
look guy and the terrorists of food. Well, I talk
about the tax cuts. Why doesn't he talk about the deregulation.
Why doesn't he.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Production?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
This is an economy that's ready to boom, and to
listen to him, you would think that, you know, we
were about to fall off a cliffs and so it's
time for Jerome Powell to go. He's over state, is
welcome and uh, he'll be going in in March or April,
if not sooner than that.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Steve, do you see any immediate impact right now on
the talks on the on the rate cut yesterday? Or
are we going to need more than that to really
get things going? How does this how in your opinion,
how does this start helping us?

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Well, I do think that that the Washington and Wall
Street way over obsessed about the about the fact. You know,
they act as if he's you know, the wizard behind
the curtain and could just push a button or pull
up or and everything will.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Be just fine.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
It wouldn't it be a wonderful world if all we
had to do is just print money and we could
all get rich and that would be that'ld be fantastic.
Zimbabwe tried that, it didn't work out too well. So
you know, we want a stable dollar. We want a
currency that holds its value. That's what the the Fed
should do. By I mean, Powell has a lousy record
of that. He allowed prices grow up by twenty one

(14:12):
percent in the Biden years, which is the highest rate
of inflation we've had since the nineteen seventies. So, you know,
he doesn't have a very good record. He hates Trump.
I do wonder whether he's doing these policies he's put
in place to try to hurt Trump because he's always
critical of Trump, you know, And look, I can be
critical of Trump too. I don't agree with everything Trump does,
but most of what he's not on an economy has

(14:34):
been very bullish and very good for growth.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So the job market, some people think that, you know,
one of the reasons we started to see the job's
influence is because the rates were still staying so high.
Are you bullish on job growth? I know that the
economy economic growth that burned that that Powell pointed out.
He thinks it's one and a half percent, it's over
three percent of the exactly what about jobs? You can

(15:00):
see more jobs as as the interust rates go down
to borrow money for businesses and things like that.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Well, it's not clearer that just because the Fed cut
these rates on the very short term uh you know,
short term UH rates, that they're going to affect longer
term rates. We'll see I hope they I hope they do.
I'd love to see mortgage rates come down and housing
made affordable. But it's a real challenge now. Uh jobs, Uh,
the job market is kind of hard to hard to

(15:27):
predict because we are entering an era of of robotics
and artificial intelligence.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Is Steve Moore joining us on our any our news
maker line talking about jobs? You're right, the job market
is changing so rapidly, Greg, with AI and robotics and
everything going. Hopefully we can adapt and find the jobs
that people need. But the question is, again, Greg, when
it comes to jobs, are they qualified to do the jobs?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah? I think there's a movement. There's on there's on
shoring where there's a lot of that. There's a lot
of uh manufacturing, and a lot of work that's going
to I mean even technology jobs that have been down
overseas that are going to come back on shore. They're
going to come here to the United States. And I
do believe that we're going to see more jobs. But
I got to tell you, shut down every single institution

(16:11):
I highre learning. Just just shut it down right now
in real time, society would be more healthy. These professors
provide nothing. They live in bubbles, they're not accountable, they
can't get fired, they have to commit a crime to
be fired. They got tenure, but they're bringing no value
add to an available or emerging workforce. And then just
you know, let let young people if it's a good
return on investment to pay to learn a learn a skill,

(16:34):
to do something in a job, let them pay for it.
But I know we aren't going to shut down our
institution hire learning. But I just think they're the biggest
they're the biggest problem for productivity for young people right now.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
They'll figure things out with these young people, all right.
More coming up on the Roden Gregg Show, the Party
of Cancel Culture apparently is now concerned about free speech. Surprise, surprise,
Hunt Greg.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's a week lates far as I'm concerned, but yeah,
more than a week late.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
All the not weeping and whiling going on right now,
particularly given what happened last week where we heard nothing
is just particularly offensive to me.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah. Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk
more about that, as our good friend Scott Pinsker, He's
an author of public relations and crisis communications expert, joining
us writes for PJ Media as well. Scott, how are
you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
Hey, gentlemen, happy to be here, Scott.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Let's talk about this canceled culture. When did they be concerned?
And when did they become concerned? Scott? About free speech?
How did that happen?

Speaker 6 (17:32):
You don't think it might be a wee bit hypocritical.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
It smells from high heaven. Yes, I do.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
They are actively looking for pity and sympathy from the
American people for all these people who've lost their job
simply for celebrating in the streets when a thirty one
year old man was murdered. And so far they're not
exactly thrilled because people haven't thrown them a pity party. Instead,
people have been pointing out, wait a minute, like eight

(18:01):
years ago, you were saying this was a good thing.
Like literally in twenty twenty three, Rolling Stone Ranna brand
a headline extolling the virtues of cancel culture. How it's
needed and keep our society running like a well oiled machine.
Is merely holding people accountable for the horrible things they've done.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, how is do they forget that they said these things?
Are they just so situated. All morals, all philosophies are
just situational. They can pivot and contradict themselves without pause
because they don't care, or they just they just don't
remember that they're contradicting themselves.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
For the headlines that we're reading online, and they're the
most important thing right now as far as creating news
and capturing the minds of the American people. I actually
have a different theory with the clickbait model now in journalists,
which is everywhere, and the job of the headline is
to get you to click on the story. That's how
people get paid, that's the financial model. Were really looking

(19:00):
at are the pitches that liberal writers are dichuting to
liberal readers, and they're trying to figure out what can
I get you to click on? And it is incredibly
illuminating because it's showing you directly what liberal America's thinking,
what they want to see, what they want to read,
and what they want to believe. We're walking right into

(19:21):
their echo chamber.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Did the Democrats forget about Disney firing Gina Carono and
Roseanne Barr? Have they forgotten that Scott.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
That's not really relevant to the problem that they have
and the problem is they're getting in a lot of
trouble and they don't like it, and they don't have
a better argument than throwing their hands up in the
air and flailing. You know, It's like they all that
when you have the facts, they argue the facts. When
you have the emotion, you argue the emotion. We got nothing.
You just kick the table over a scream like a madman.
And right now we're hearing the lunatics yelling and shrieking

(19:54):
because they are they're being exposed in front of the mirror.
You know, what happened with Charlie kick Kirk was so
gruesome and over the top. And the comments of people
like Jimmy Kimble and others who were directly and deliberately
trafficking and misinformation, which I remember, you know again, wasn't
that long ago twenty sixteen misinformation was the worst thing

(20:15):
in the world and a threat to democracy. Now, poor
Jimmy Kimmel, he merely alluded to the falsely identify the
motivation and the along where the killer came from. And
you know, mock President Trump, he said, was akin to
what the a four year old warning a goldfish like
the language that they're using and the excuse they're trying

(20:37):
to make for it. There's a disconnect. It's just you
can't have something that's blatantly false and that's blatantly wrong
connected to something that creates a visceral reaction to the
American people. You know, the impulse is to find and revolting.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
So my theory, Scott is that everything you just mentioned
has made them commer a commercial failure. I think that
ABC as a network has been losing money on on
the Jimmy Kimmel Show that doesn't have any viewers. They
just they just keep the They play a game of
subtraction the way they talk every single night. You saw
some pushback when you saw the SEC chairman say, you know,
we have this, we have this lever we and it's

(21:13):
I think it's transparent to say maybe these are things
we have to look at. You have that said, but
more importantly, you have some of the people that own
channels that talk maybe we should play the celebrity family
feud instead of this character. Maybe we get more eyeballs
on our station. Was this a moment where it doesn't
make money, It doesn't make sense. There was a there
was a act reason to act for cause because of

(21:34):
what he's saying. And really, what we're talking about here
is ABC is a network making a financial decision and
getting rid of them where it doesn't cost them more
to be able to do it. It's not a free
speech conversation. It's really he was failing at that and
this was a this opened the window or door to
to fire him or let him go. Is that could
that be the case what we're seeing.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Here completely correct. The two biggest affiliates for ABC nationally
both puppets. They both put out a press release they're
not going to air the show. So a few of
the seduce theory responsibility to Disney shareholders. You can't put
millions into a show that your biggest affiliates are not
even go to air. Like that model doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
It sure doesn't. Broadcasting is a business first and foremost
has always got thanks chatting. Thanks for chatting with us.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Today, My pleasure, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Thank you right on our newsmaker line that Scott Pinsker.
He is an author, public relations and crisis communications expert
on the cancel culture.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, they can call anything they want. They still want to.
They just use victim language, but they are failing commercially,
and they were doing some irresponsible things, and that gave
ABC the reason to give them the boot.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Sure did very much. You know, I know somebody who's
put US one, two, and three on their presets.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Who's that? Did you? No, it's good, it's it's really handy.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You can sell what are there fifteen options on the preset?
But you can do that.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
It is quite the options that you have.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
By the way, this is the only way I can
listen to the show or the station.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's you.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh that's me. Yeah, Oh that came from my film.
My phone's at late No, that's the only way I
can let This app is the only way I can
listen when I'm in my house. I got one of
those speaker Bluetooth speakers. Oh yeah, so and that funny
that was my phone doing that.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I know that was your phone doing that. I'm surprised
you figure that out because you're not you're not technically savvy. No,
I'm not more so than I am though.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
They say that there's the technology natives, the kids born
around technology. Then there's a technology immigrants those had to
come to it. I'm a technology refugee. Okay, I'm the
one that's.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Not technology alien. I have no idea what is doing.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
By the way, my number one research, my number one
presets can rs. Number two is the podcast.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
The podcast that's good for You, Good for You. A
couple of notes coming up in the next stor we
have got a long list of people come in on
the Jimmy Kimmel's story saying some interesting things. We will
talk about that, but I think we want to know.
I mean, is the idea of a late night show
that many of us grew up with? Is it dead?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And yeah, because I mean I alwould say that these
clowns on the job now and have been on the
job for however long, have absolutely put it into the
grave at six feet under. It's dead. It's I don't
know that it can come back. But the only way
it would is if you got a comedian or someone
that could, you know, appeal here's something crazy appeal to
a general audience.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Wow, what an idea?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Talk about entertainment talk You remember there used to be
comedians on and there'd be some new movies coming out,
so you'd have the actors that from the movie coming
on that kind of you know, talk about the upcoming
movie coming. I don't know when this all became, you know, unfunny, partisan, political,
you know, just anger. Yeah, but it's it has no

(24:47):
resemblance to what L Late Night used to be.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Johnny Carson said when Sixty Minutes did a piece on
him back in nineteen seventy nine, and Carson was a
very private person. Suit they got like he Mike Wallace,
he talked and he talked to about this and he said.
Wallace asked him, you never take a stand on issues,
and he says, I'm not going to. That's what I'm mean.
I'm not here for that. And he says people who
do that all of a sudden think they're very very important. Yep, boy,

(25:14):
did that film familiar? Because these guys, Colbert Kimmel and
to a certain degree fallin, maybe not as much, but
he's in that they all think that they have to
be important, that they have to tell the nation what
to think of what's going on in the White House
with President Trump. That is not the idea, and it's
costing them.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Their jobs, it is. And I do think they killed
they killed this genre whatever you want to call that,
that programming. But if it were to ever come back,
is there someone in your mind that you thought, wow,
that person could be a cold everyone. Are there anyone
that we watch in comedy or anybody out there that's
in the entertainment world that doesn't doesn't fall on a

(25:53):
political line and just as generally a funny person. Yeah,
I would say, to be fair, I don't think it
has to be someone firmly right of center, or else
you're going to alienate the other side. I think it
needs to be someone who's just an entertainer and that's
what they want to be known for. They're not interested
in getting into the into the politics of the day.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. We'll talk about that. And let's
you hear some of the comments being made about the
Jimmy Kimmel story that's coming up. Our number two of
the Routing Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine cann Earth states as to how old Jimmy

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Kimmel is doing. Okay, Now, if you just joined.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Ryan, is he upset?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, apparently he's a little po okay. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, it actually doesn't to me. Given the week we've had.
I think there's a lot more to be upset about,
genuinely than him losing his job. But I'm sure it's
all about him.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh you're ready for this? Yes, according to the UK
Daily Mail, and they do a very good joke, really do.
By the way, they're great. Insiders are telling them that
Kimmel is absolutely ef and livid yeah about all of this.
They say, he is keen to breaking his relationship with
ABC forever and it's already teeing up a guest slot

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with Stephen Colbert.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Go for it. Honestly, they have so alien he's so
alienated most of America talk about commercial success or lack
of He's just screaming into an echo chamber, and that
they've been playing a game of subtraction for so long.
Go ahead the fact that you couldn't care or be
this upset about the actual murder of somebody, but you're

(27:39):
but everyone's supposed to be more angry or upset or
disturbed over your firing, misrepresenting what happened in that murder. Again,
it is something that I hope Americans are just taking
inventory of. We can't change it. Let them do what
they're doing. This was a financial decision that ABC made.
They were waiting for a moment. Get to just shed
or break the articles off the ship, and he was

(28:02):
nothing but a failure commercially and this was their way
to get rid of them.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Well, apparently, according to this inside source, the producers of
the show and why do you, I mean, we have
one producer, I Ray does a great job filling three
hours a day, right, these shows have producers for every
segment of a show. Please, So apparently the producers, according
to this inside source, are wandering around like aimless cows.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's about right.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
And apparently he is ticked off looking for a way
out of the contract, which wouldn't surprise me. And the
demands that Sinclair has put on it, saying you need
to apologize, you need to donate some a large amount
of money to the Charlie Kirk Foundation if you want
to get back on Sinclair stations. That's not going to work.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
So look, let's just again, let's just imagine you here
your ABC. Okay, you've got you get paid to put
this that there's money made when you produce shows that
that you're the channels that are affiliates with ABC air
in their broadcast area. If no one wants to watch
your show, why freedom of speech doesn't mean that that

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Sinclair and next our have to buy that program, have
to spend money to have a program nobody wants to watch.
It just doesn't there's no math to that. And if
there's a moment where they can get out of that
contract or get out of that relationship because of things
that have been said that he has not walked back.
And by the way, X people that are on X
have incredible memories. They can go right back to January

(29:31):
of twenty four where Kimmel makes this point that we
fact check everything we say and Aaron Rodgers said something
not true about me, and I never say things they
aren't true, and if I ever do, we research it
and we correct the record right away. Well here we are, okay,
it's you know, you're in whatever. Months later, he didn't
walk back a thing he said that was verifiably false.

(29:51):
He didn't want to, and there's people that didn't want
to show put the show on anymore. It's still it
doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense. It's not any
deeper than that. It's Trump came in and he did
this or did that. Everybody wants to make drama out
of it. This was a commercial failure of a show
that They saw that he had gone far enough, alien
ate enough of their channels, and they gave them. They

(30:13):
suspended them. And I don't think ABC or anyone who's
really holding their breath hoping he comes back.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, according to the reports, Kimmel on Tuesday was going
to put his comments in proper context, okay, but he
was not going to apologize. So you know, the affiliated
station said we want more than that, and if you
aren't going to do that, we aren't going to carry
that show. And then ABC had to make the decision.

(30:38):
Now you were talking about numbers, Okay, how big of
an audience does Jimmy Kimmel have? One point seven million
a night is the audience?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
The US population is three hundred and forty million as
of now, right, so that results in a in an
audience of point of zero zero point five percent or
one in two hundred Americans we're watching the show every night,
So they are your numbers.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'm trying to look real quick on X. I think
that there's more traffic on small not even the largest
X pages, but I'm talking about some that are in
this kind of this medium range that get far get
way more traffic sure than that. Every single day. And
so that's not even by digital media standards and digital

(31:26):
social media standards, that's not even it's not even cracking
the out the surface. It's such a low audience number
that he's pulling in every night. And I'm telling you
I I can give you examples of where I had
this grand story behind why decisions were being made. And
at the end of the day, it was that if

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it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense. It's just
that bottom line it is. Everyone else can make it dramatic,
they can do whatever they want. That is why this
guy got the boot.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah. Well, I have over the years, had a chance
to to journalism classes about you know, broadcasting. Yes, And
the one thing I tell them right away realize broadcasting
is a business first and foremost correct. People are not
into this business not to make money, okay, And if
they ain't making money, folks, guess what, They're going to

(32:17):
make some changes. And in my years in broadcasting, I've
been through layoffs. It's not comfortable, but it happens because
companies are not making money. That's the nature of the business.
So if a broadcast company, first of all, is not
making money and it's concerned about the image of that
television or radio station. They are going to make changes.

(32:38):
And that's what these companies, these broadcast companies, including one
here in Salt Lake City by the way, which owns
Channel four, they're making decisions to benefit them. That's what
they do. May it is a business.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
May I suggest that iHeartMedia. Might not agree with every
single sentence I say, or that you say, or that
their corporate you know, structure doesn't doesn't might not subscribe
to the same worldview that we do. But what does
this program do. Thanks to our greatest, smartest listeners and
all the land, it's a successful It's a commercially successful program.

(33:10):
Yes it is, and that as long as we're not
embarrassing the corporate uh you know, the ownership, and we're
doing that. It's it is a revenue. It's it's based
on business. It is based on business. This show is
alive and well because of its commercial success. Yes, that's
what we're talking about. You don't get to pick your favorites,
and you don't no one wants to watch you, but
darn it, you like what they say, so they should

(33:31):
never get canceled. That's a that's a childlike view of
what's going on out here?

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, you mentioned a moment ago, the comments that he
made about when him and Aaron Rodgers got into it. Yes,
And for him to say, we don't lie on this show.
We check every one of our facts. If there is
a problem, we'll correct ourselves. They didn't want to correct.
They lied because this guy who shot and killed Charlie
Kirk was in no way connected to MAGA other than

(33:58):
maybe his father was a big phantom mag you know.
And it was a bald face lie. But he doesn't
do that on his.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
And how arrogant do you have to be if you
said something and you can show that what you said
is just so patently false, How full of hubris and
arrogance do you have to be to say, you know,
I said something yesterday and I and I broad brushed it,
maybe too broad. I said, this is the case. It
turns out that this assassin did have political you know,

(34:26):
opinions and did this because of it is a political assassination.
And if what I said I offended and upset people,
it was not my intention. And I apologize for the
words that I said. Why is that too far? Why
is that a bridge too far?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Because they don't. He doesn't think he offended anybody. That's
my opinion. They don't. If you got it, If you
can offend the magat crowd, who cares.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, it's just there's no two way street with them.
That's not treated others. You want to be treated, They don't.
They don't have any concept of that.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
All right, we want to open up the phones to
you on this. The future of late night television? Is
it changing already? They're thinking about what to do when
Colbert leaves. That's not far down the road. But we'll
talk about that. And if you are looking for a
new host for a late night talk show host, who
would it be? Yes, other than the Rod and Greg Show. Yeah,
we could do.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It, well, we could. We'd be awesome at it. That's
what I know about us. But no, if you didn't
want to, I think you should pick someone who's entertaining
that you didn't know their politics would be probably the
most broadest commercially.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Is there anybody out there, Well, that's the way we'll
have to see. The lines are open to you now
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey
Rod or you can leave us coming on our talkback line.
Just download the iHeartRadio app, look for canarrest dot com
and you can leave a message. A matter of fact,
we had a very interesting comment from one of our

(35:47):
listeners right now. He left us this message on our
talkback line.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Hi Greg and Brod. This is made from Spanish Park.
I just want to make a comment on Jimmy Camel
getting fired. He should be great because now he can
live in Italy since he was granted Italian citizenship. Now
he can, you know, live the USA. He thinks it's

(36:12):
a horrible country and he can there. You go, he
can go to Italy and live there, and so he
shall be happy and gravel right.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I just love our listener.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
What a brilliant observation. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Rosie went to Ireland. Yes, Jimmy Kimball could go to Italy.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I'm getting dual citizenship because I fear living in this country. Well,
guess what, there's the door. You don't you got nothing
going right now? You may as well go to Italy.
You hate this country so much, Joe, Joe, try that
out for a while. See, don't let the door hit
you on the way out.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Here's what the President said on the Kimmel's story last night.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
Well, Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he had bad ratings
more than anything else, and he said a horrible thing
about a great gentleman known as Charlie Kirk. And Jimmy
Kimmel is not a talented person. He had very bad
ratings and they should have fired him a long time.
So you know, you can call that.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Free speech or not.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
He was fired for lack of talent.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, lack of talent. Now Stephen A. Smith weighed in
on this today as well. Here's what he said. Where
was the joke?

Speaker 8 (37:09):
Because you're a late night host and obviously that has
a comedic attachment attachment to it. Where was the joke?
Obviously it wasn't anything funny about that. And so we
have to take that into consideration and make sure that
we play oppositions and understand what we can and cannot say,
because we have a responsibility when we have a camera
and a microphone in front of us to articulate ourselves

(37:30):
in an appropriate fashion. We can be dogged, we could
be opinionated, we could provide respectives, we could do a
lot of things, but we could also be responsible while
doing so.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
There are no funny jokes on late night television anymore.
They're all about slamming conservatives and Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
And let me just point this out, and I'm gonna
keep pointing this out. It is just it is dizzying
to me that I am hearing today all of this
shrieking about freedom of speech and the ability to say
something if it's controversial, and what's happened to Jimmy Kimball
is a Kimmel is such an assault on our constitutional rights?

(38:08):
On and on and on when seven days ago, eight
days ago, Charlie Kirk was killed in cold blood, assassinated
in cold blood because why he had an opinion, He
shared his thoughts, he debated people who thought differently from him,
and he was murdered. He was assassinated politically. And not
any of these people that have been shrieking since Kimmel

(38:31):
was let go or suspended had one word that I
can find to say about how abhorrent this is, how
tragic and wrong it is that Charlie Kirk was killed
for his words. He's not an elected official, he has
no power other than his words. You talk about freedom
of speech, how did none of this become a conversation
with any of the people they're talking today about the

(38:54):
great attack on freedom of speech. What they're saying today,
how was none of that a concern last week? When
I think, call me crazy, but killing a man in
cold blood because of his political opinions and his speech
is far worse than Jimmy Kimmel being suspended from this radio,

(39:15):
from this TV program.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Charlie Kirk's freedom was taken away, permanently, permanently. Jimmy Kimmel,
he hadn't lost his freedom, He lost freedom to be on.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Any It was his life and relationships.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
But no one is complaining about what happened to Charlie
Kirk the boy, or they reasoning a stink about Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
It's amazing, and that is what we need to take
inventory of when you see that the man was killed
over his political thought, and there was enough thing to
be said by the now the screeching, the screechers that
are screaming that this guy got suspended, look at how
absolutely indefensible that is.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Do you honestly believe any of the Democrats who came
out after Charlie Kirk was shot eight days ago, and
they came out and said, we must stop this political violence.
We need to rethink things. Do you think there was
any sincerity in any of that at all? I don't know.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I see Schumer saying this is a disgrace, this is outrage.
Do you mean about Charlie Kirk being jim is it?

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
It's no, it's Jimmy Kimmel everything I'm hearing by way
of outrage. What's really deserving of that was last week
when a man's life was taken from him, and from
his wife and his children, and from America, from students,
from all the people that he impacted in a positive way.
This clown's not Kimmel's not impacting anyone in a positive ways.
And but they're so mad at a man was suspended

(40:32):
from his job because they like what he says versus
a man that's killed in cold blood.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Let's go to the phones. Brad is in Providence tonight
here on the Rod and Greg Show. Brad. How are you?
Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 9 (40:44):
And good thanks, Rod. I appreciate it. I was when
I first heard this, I kind of went out and
looked online to see how big these audiences are because
I didn't know turns out Colbert was the biggest with
two point four million, Kim was in the middle at
one point seven to seven, and Silands only one point
two million people.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yes per night.

Speaker 9 (41:06):
Letterman started with twenty five million in his audience until
the very end he got cleared out into one point
five million. Carson. Carson's peak regular was seventeen million. His
regular nightly average over the long term is eleven.

Speaker 10 (41:26):
Million a night.

Speaker 9 (41:27):
Wow, these guys, what are they talking about. By the way,
his biggest audience was tiny Tim's wedding.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Oh I remember, yeah, forty million people. Well I do
remember that, Brad. Thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
That's great perspective.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, it does. These guys were, like I said, Greg,
they had no audience whatsoever. They were preaching to a
small little choir of people who absolutely hate anything that
Donald Trump did, absolutely hated any conservative in this country.
And why are they having bad Ratians? They told half
the country see you later. We don't care.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, they mean they've demeaned them, they have mocked them,
they have belittled them. And again, that's not I don't
think that's a formula for commercial success. And I think
we're living in era right now. Where these companies can
actually step forward and go, yeah, we're kind of in
this as a business, and we don't just make business
sense anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
We're out, We're done, all right. We've got a lot
more comments we want to share with you, but first
and foremost we want to hear from you. Give us
a call eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero cell phone dial Pound two fifteen, say hey Rod
or on the talkback line to download the iHeartRadio app
and leave us some message as well. More coming up
on the Rodd and Gregg Show. The ladies on the
view would say today about the Jim Jimmy Kimmel, you know,

(42:42):
whatever's going on, firing, suspension, whatever, And they didn't say
a thing.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
And when have they ever been church mice? When have
you ever heard them not pounds on an issue? And
they didn't, They didn't say they talked about today what
Jeffrey Epstein. Of course, you can always go to a
nice it's always a good fallback position if you can't
really talk about what you want to. Because again Legal
was watching. I think they're looking for some cause to

(43:09):
boot those ladies off that no talent show, but it
didn't fall for it. They did not talk about it.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Let's see Colbert, he'll be done next spring. Yes, Kimmel,
I don't think he's coming back. Well, people were wondering
about the view, are they next? Well, Brendan Carr, who's
the chairman of the FCC was involved with the whole
story to begin with, was on Scott Jennings radio show
today and he was asked about the view.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
A lot of people think there are other shows on
ABC that maybe run a foul of this more often
than Jimmy Kimmel. I'm thinking specifically of the view, and
President Trump himself has mentioned Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyer
at NBC, just wondering do you have comments on those
shows and are they doing what Kimmel did Monday Night?
And is it even worse on those programs in your opinion?

Speaker 10 (43:56):
Well, you can be unfunny, that's fine, And a lot
of people are sort of saying that. Well, people are
punishing Kimmel because they don't like a joke that he told.
But you know, we don't need to rehash it here.
Obviously what he said was not a joke. It wasn't
presented at all that way.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
But when you look at these other TV shows.

Speaker 10 (44:13):
What's interesting is the SEC does have a rule, all
the equal opportunity rule, which means, for instance, if you're
in the rocks to an election you have one you
partisan elected official on, you have to give equal time,
equal opportunity to the opposing partisan politician.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
So far, so good.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
But there's an exception to that.

Speaker 10 (44:32):
Rule, all the bonafide news exception, which means if you
are a bonafide news program, you don't have to abide
by the equal opportunity rule. And over the years, the
SEC has developed a body of case law on that,
and it suggested that most of these late night shows
other than SNL are bonified news programs and potentially would
assume you could make the argument that the View is

(44:54):
a bonified news show. But I'm not so sure about that,
and I think it's worthwhile to have the.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Look into whether the View.

Speaker 10 (45:04):
In sons of the programs that you have still qualify
as bonifid news programs and therefore exempt from the equal
opportunity regime that Congress is put in place.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Interesting, now, there's some fine print that you don't really
hear a lot about. But as we're talking about all this,
I think just the rank hypocrisy of Jimmy Kimmel and
in terms of how they're all pear clutching over he
you know, he was fired because, you know, he said
something wrong. It wasn't a joke. It wasn't that a
joke went wrong, and we didn't think it was funny.

(45:35):
He said something factually wrong back on Monday night. It
was wrong, but we said, okay, more information came out Tuesday.
Let's see if he walks it back. Let's see if
he apologizes. He did not, and he refused to, and
that was what led to happen Wednesday. But let's go
back to January of twenty four where Jimmy Kimmel felt
like quarterback Aaron Rodgers, now currently with the Pittsburgh Steelers,

(45:56):
said something inaccurate about him, of which he took great offense.
This is what Kimmel thinks ought to happen when someone
says something that's not true.

Speaker 12 (46:04):
As far as the well you say things about people
all the time, argument goes, yes, I do. It's not
the same. It's not even close to the same. We
say a lot of things on this show. We don't
make up lies. In fact, we have a team of
people who work very hard to sift through facts and
reputable sources before I make a joke, and that's an
important distinction.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
He kept going, So what if you get it wrong,
Jimmy Kimmel, is there something if someone gets something wrong
to him? Because the suit still matters.

Speaker 12 (46:32):
And when I do get something wrong, which happens on
rare occasions, you know what I do. I apologize for it,
which is what Aaron Rodgers should do, which is what
a decent person would.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Do, except if that decent person was supposed to be
you and you refuse to do it. That was January
of twenty four. We're in September of twenty five. He
forgot all about this. Does none of this mattered?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I know what happened Monday? What you know? He said?
People sift through stuff. I bet they took Monday off.
They probably they didn't sift through.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
But he said a decent person would apologize if they
got it wrong. Why would that not have applied with
him saying that this was all MAGA people that were
responsible for this, Charlie Kirk being assassinated, and that they
don't really care about Charlie Kirk. All those things he said,
not in a joking tone, not a bad joke that
landed flat. He was saying some terrible things that were

(47:24):
patently false. Really and scooping up you know people that
voted for Donald Trump, said seventy seven million people.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
And he loves to celebrate when MAGA or conservatives are
dealt a tough hand. Listen to this. This is the
night that we learned that Tucker Carlson was being let
go from Fox News. Listen to Kimmel's reaction.

Speaker 12 (47:45):
Fox News has severed bow ties with Tucker Carlson after
all these years. They are partying ways, which means he
was fired. I mean, that's really what parting ways. Tucker
couldn't be reached for comment. He's already on a plane
to Moscow to meet with his manager. But what a shock,
I mean, what an absolutely delightful shock. This is how

(48:08):
Tucker can spend more time at home tanning his testicles
and touching himself to that sexy green M and M. Sadly,
he's probably not done poisoning old people's brains. The question
now is where will he do it next? Will he
go to Oayn, will he go to Newsmax? Will he
crawl back up Satan's fiery be Hoole from once he came,
we don't know, one of the most despicable mother tuckers

(48:29):
ever to appear on American television. Wow.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Wow, that's Disney, by the way.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
And that's so that vitriol well deserved for Tucker Carlson.
But he is a victim. He is just he's been
so mistreated. So everything he said is just again the
people talking about freedom of speech, which this is actually
a business decision. It's not even about that. The federal
government didn't get rid of him. ABC News, you know,

(48:55):
suspended him, that's the truth of the matter. But for
him to even worry about that when they were they
not only were they not silent with Charlie Kirk, but
they were actually celebrating or excusing his murder, which again
just shows you who they are. When they show you
who they are, just believe them. That's what we have.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
We have some more talkback comments. We'll get to those
in just a minute. Some of the comments being made
about Jimmy Kimmel. This was Heraldo Rivera talking today about
Jimmy Kimmel and the real issue here.

Speaker 13 (49:23):
By focusing on the censorship aspect and the First Amendment aspect,
I think it's losing sight of what should be the lead,
and that's that Jimmy Kimmel owes the family of Charlie
Kirk and his wife Erica, two small children, and an apology.
You know what's he saying that you're if you're a
member of MAGA and Charlie is a friend of MAGA,

(49:47):
then he had it coming. It just it's it's it's
in some way, it's very extremely, extremely insensitive. The country
is in a very tough spot right now. Everyone's walking
on a The First Amendment is not a license to
incite hatred. And you know, I think that we can
start the discussion once Jimmy Kimmel apologizes, then they can

(50:11):
talk about the business aspects and whether or not he
gets back on the schedule and so forth. But there's
got to be a recognition that a terrible thing has
happened here and that millions of Americans are grievously hurt
by what happened.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
You know, there is a.

Speaker 13 (50:30):
Charlie Kirk was beloved by many, and to just tramble
over it.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
He's not even buried yet. For goodness sake, By the way,
I don't think Jimmy Cumimle is going to apologize at all,
if you want my opinion, here's Mark Halpern talking about
the business side of things.

Speaker 14 (50:45):
Well, it's incredible that the Walt Disney Company, which for many,
many years has allowed The View and Jimmy Kimmel to
take up two hours of real estate to appeal to
the big stations in New York and Los Angeles and
Chicago where the audiences are more liberal, and now at
least one station group and I believe it's at least
two where their stations are in more rural areas and

(51:07):
not in the big coastal cities.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Have said no.

Speaker 14 (51:10):
A comment like that in the current environment, less than
a week after Charlie Kirk was assassinated is not acceptable.
And the fact that ABC did that under some pressure
from the FCC, but more under pressure from station owners
is a watershed again in the history of a company
that put pumped out the View anti Trump for a decade,
Jimmy Kimmel anti Trump for a decade, No equal time

(51:32):
for MAGA, no equal time for conservative voices. This was
a bridge too far under the circumstances. And it's of
a piece with what we're seeing, which is some government coercion,
but also just the market is speaking. Conservatives watch TV
two and they found that unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
You know, Greg, you and I have talked about this.
Our audience, I think are common sense, fair minded Americans,
and I think common sense, fair minded Americans are now
speaking up and they said, we've had an.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Off and that is the biggest change people want. The Democrats,
the Liberals, they've had such a run of the show
and the run of the place. They've been able to
do anything they want. They have said they have, They've
done anything they've wanted. They've had free reign to see
common sense Americans really come coalescing together and really seeing
big business, which is seem to be on their side
all the time, you know, taking the side of the

(52:22):
everyday people. That is what's changed in America right now.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well, some changes could be coming to Washington as well
when it comes to our museums. We'll talk about that
next stay with us. Well, let's move on to a
different topic. Greg, you ran into this. You were in Washington,
what about a month ago, month and a half ago
with your family, Yes, and you were taking a tour
of the museums and you were kind of offended by

(52:47):
some of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
You saw, Yes, I was. I took I couldn't believe
my eyes. I've been not my first trip to Washington,
c Or to Smithsonian or it's respective museums, and so
I saw things I hadn't Maybe I've not been there
a while, but I saw things that were just over
the top and ridiculous, and so I took pictures of it.
And I've been ranting about it ever since, at least
with my poor family. They've they know I'm just absolutely

(53:09):
offended by it.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, Well, what is going on is the Smithsonian Institute,
and they have what I think there are eleven museums
under their in their portfolio. They're in the nation's capitol, obviously,
have been trying to paint America as mister bad.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah, if you go into the American History Museum, just
be prepared to hate yourself when you get out, if
you want to, if you believe any of the placards,
because it's all about how horrible this country is, beginning, middle,
and end.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Well, the President, of course, is trying to fight wokeness
in the Smithsonian. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right
now is Jeffrey Anderson. Jeff is the president of the
American Main Street Initiative. He wrote about this today, Jeff,
how are you thanks for joining us? What is the
president trying to do when it comes to correcting the
Smithsonian Institutes?

Speaker 15 (53:54):
Well, I applaud President Trump's efforts. I think it's about
time somebody took on the leftist control of our museums.
There's there's been a takeover of our museums and monuments
by the left, by the woke left, and they have
transformed the telling of American history from a tale of
heroes to a tale of villains. They they paint American

(54:14):
history as being a history of oppression and racism, and
they don't portray it as a legacy of heroes and
liberty and freedom. And so I think it's it's crucial
that that President Trump and others make this effort, and
I'm very glad to see it.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
You know, I I don't know when this started.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
I was.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I grew up in Pittsburgh and we would take field
trips down there. I'd been down there as a kid
growing up. I don't remember the narratives and the way
I felt being there this summer with my family. It
seems to me right now if it's etched in stone,
you might be able to read it and still be inspired.
If it's if it's on a placard, run fast and far.
Is that? Is that a consistent mindset? If you get

(54:53):
to DC nowadays.

Speaker 15 (54:55):
Well, it pretty much depends on when they put the
placard up. If if it it went up around before
two thousand, you're probably in great shape or at least
good shape. If it went up after that, it's questionable.
And it went up in about the last five years,
good luck.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, Jeff, I want to ask you this question about
what they're trying to do here. I mean, I think
as Americans, well, we all know we've made mistakes, we
have our rewards, right, but that's not why we go
to museums and don't we go to museums to honor
America and see the goodness of America as well as
maybe some touchy issues in America. But it seems to
me they're emphasizing that America is bad, not good. Am

(55:35):
I reading that right?

Speaker 15 (55:36):
No, you're absolutely reading that right. I mean, that's what
the woke left thinks of America. That's what leftists think
of America. They don't they don't love the Founding. They
don't really understand what all the fuss is about the Founding,
the separation of powers, the division of power between the
federal government, government and the states, all this kind of
impedes the effort to have a an all powerful government
that can do the bidding of the left. So they

(55:58):
don't really like most of what the Founders did and
they're trying to overcome it. And the best way to
do that is to slander the man who put it
all into motion, to go after Washington and Jefferson and
even Lincoln that they'll they'll go after anybody they can, So,
I mean, you've had like the Smithsonian is currently being
run by a man named Lonnie Bunch who comes off

(56:20):
as this very smiling, good natured, affable fellow, but he's
really a radical and he's indicated that in his own
words when he's talking to allies.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
He talks about the.

Speaker 15 (56:29):
Need to take the trust that people feel when they
walk to museums and use it to transform people into
a new generation of activists. He's praised, not only praised,
but made sure. The Smithsonian was very involved in promoting
the sixteen nineteen project that was trying to say that
our nation is rooted in slavery, not in liberty. It's

(56:49):
real founding data is sixteen nineteen, when the slave ships
first arrived, rather than seventeen seventy six. I mean, this
is who bunch is. She's running the Smithsonian, and you
can just see it everywhere when you walk around and
you see how they present American history.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Now you know one of the there was actually modern history.
I guess they're trying to show the history of entertainment
in the United States. I did not know this. Maybe
this is a historical fact and we should know this,
But apparently Barnam and Bailey circus was really about glorifying
colonialism and taking over the whole world. And this is

(57:23):
what That's why people went to circuses because it showed
how America could conquer the lions and tigers and it
was all about world domination. Did I miss that growing up?
Is that?

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Wow?

Speaker 15 (57:37):
Just think what you missed in your education not having
these woke presentations. No, that really is amazing. I mean
I was in the American History Museum a few years
ago and couldn't believe an exhibit where they were talking
about transportation and how it showed how sexist the car
makers were when back in like the nineteen twenties and thirties,
they they had their print advertisements about cars geared toward

(57:58):
boys rather than girl because you know, everyone knows girls
actually get just as excited about cars as boys do.
And I mean it, it's crazy stuff, but that the
whole left worldview is to look at the world as
as through the lens of oppression. You have the oppressors
and the oppressed, and all the heroes of America have

(58:18):
been oppressors, and these should not be the people who
are telling the story of our history. So we need
to reclaim the museums from them, which is what President
Trump's trying to do, and in a smaller way, my group,
the American Mainstream Initiatives trying to do.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Jeff, let me ask you this. We're coming up on
our big anniversary coming up next July, two hundred and
fifty years. What is he doing right now to kind
of move in the direction that we've been talking about.
And how big of a challenge is that going to be?
Can it be done by next July or at least
headed in that direction.

Speaker 15 (58:51):
Well, that's a little bit of a complicated question.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
I think.

Speaker 15 (58:54):
I think Trump has done wonders to set this on
the right course. We would be having a very different
discussion about next year about the quarter millennial anniversary of
American Independence. That's what I think they should call it.
The quarter millennial pairs with the bi centennial, and we'd
be having a very different discussion of Kamala Harris were
in the White House, we either be ignoring the quarter
millennial or thinking of ways to condemn our founding in

(59:16):
our history. Now it's going to be a celebration. The
unfortunate thing is that the planning is so far behind
on this that it's way behind where things were fifty
years ago with the bi centennial, and it's a tremendous
effort to try to make up for lost ground. But
I think Trump's doing everything you can, and a lot
of private groups are. I mean, my group has been
trying to get the American Freedom Train back on the tracks,

(59:38):
which was one of the best parts of the bi
centennial red White, and Blue steam train to crisscross the
country as a tribute to American history. I think it's
going to be a good celebration. It's a question of
whether it's going to be a great celebration that can
last quite a while, like the bi centennial, or more
of just kind of a flash around the fourth of July,
which would be unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, it would be unfortunate. Jeffrey Anderson, president of the
American Main Street Initiative. You can get more information at
info Americanstreet dot org if you'd like to get more
information on what jeff and his organization is doing. Greg,
you know, we talked about next July two hundred and
fifty years, the anniversary of this great country of ours.

(01:00:19):
And I was the other day. I was scanning through
the channels, Greg, Yes, and I noticed this show on
PBS and I stopped to watch it for a little bit.
It was a show Ken Burns Documentary is going to
be doing a documentary on the American Revolution this November, right, Yeah,
And I got thinking about that, and I'm you know,

(01:00:41):
Ken Burns, you know what it's going to be. It's
going to be the same thing as the Smithsonians has
been doing. Smithsonian has been doing. America is bagged founded
by a bunch of bad white guys. That's what this
documentary is going to be all about. Instead of talking
about how this group of people took on the most
powerful country in the world at the time, the UK,

(01:01:02):
and you know, fought against it to gain our freedom.
It'sn't going to be about that. I'm afraid that's what
it's going on. I was looking so forth, oh documentary
and the American Revolution, all the interesting stories involved in that,
and with Ken Burns doing it, I'm not competing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I tend to agree with you. History Channel had this
great series The Men Who Made America America, and then
they did The Frontier of the West and the Industrial Revolution,
and I actually loved those series. I thought they were
the History Channel put together a really, really good documentary
that didn't make me feel like, boy, am I a
garbage for being American? And after I watched it, was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
It the document was it called the Story of Us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
It was like man the men that made and then
it would be either you know, the Frontier the West
or the Man the men that made the whatever it was,
whatever it may be. But it was a great It
was a great series on the History Channel, and it
showed the capacity. He if you don't have to be
left or right, you can just tell a history of
this country and a documentary about it, and you don't
have to just slam the country the entire time. You

(01:02:04):
can actually do it. There's that's what history was. I
just want to look at history from the prism of
twenty twenty five and to try and interpret our history
from a specific point of view in a specific time.
Is not history. That is that is a reinterpretation of
and you have it removes all the all the context

(01:02:27):
of American society during the time that history was, the
history that you're looking at, and what their perspective was
during that time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah. Well, you know, when I first saw the title
The American Revolution of documentary, I kind of went, oh,
you know, that'll be produced by Ken Burns. Kind of
went uh uh, maybe not guys. Oh, by the way,
there was a story out tonight. Fox News is reporting
that ABC apparently is going to meet with Jimmy Kimmel tonight. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
I just hope to just help pack his bags and
send him to Italy. Like our callers said, just go
go there, go. Yeah, dual citizenship, enjoy joy Italy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
All right, more coming up the Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one O five dine can Ra. They
talk about royalty. Last night. I was talking to Hay
you know they had this big dinner last night that
the table went on for miles. It looked like, I said, Abby,
what did you think she goes so stuffy? So stuffy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You know, I've always heard about the black tie events,
you know about the white tie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I've never been to a white Is a white tie
event bigger than a black tie event? I've never I
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I would think it is just because I've never heard
of it, So it has to be more rare because
I've never even heard of a white tie. Yeah, we
should ask Gabby.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, but on the flight home tonight, the president was
asked if he'd like to come in and all the
beautiful women that were there last night. You know, they're all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Dressed up to that everybody's dressed to the exists.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I can't say anything, it would be politically wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
But he did say they were beautiful, and then he
continued to say that they were qualifying smoke shows.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, that's my word. He didn't, Yeah, he didn't say that. Typically,
when we hear from data Republican, it is all about
the numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
It's about data.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
It is about data. It is why she you know,
she has the label of data Republican. And she she
was so great and she still is now. But during
Elon Musk and Doge and everything that was going on,
she broke down the numbers and gave us an idea
as to what really was going on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
She's finding terror cells in Utah that we'll talk about,
I think in the coming days about some of the
things leftist things going on here that she's found the
funding too. So she is a numbers person, a data person.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
But we saw a very touching side to Data Republican
last night or today when she responded to a tweet
from Keith Oberman.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Which you know, she's casting her pearls upon swine when
she does this bit. God bless her that she tries.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
But here's what Oberman tweeted out last night talking about
the Jimmy Kimmel stuff. And you've got Sinclair and Next
Star too, of the big media companies that have basically
told ABC we aren't going to run this show anymore. Right,
So here's what Keith Oberman says, burn in hell Sinclair
alongside Charlie Kirk. That's what he tweeted out last night.

(01:05:14):
All right, Now, Data Republicans saw this, and apparently it
hit a button for her, and she decided to respond
back to him in a text. And I can't read
the whole thing. It goes on for two or three
changes or pages, I should say. But she talked about
what she in the tech side went through during COVID,
not a pleasant thing to be going through. And she

(01:05:35):
talks about her concern that what happened during COVID could
could carry on now if the Democrats in the left
are allowed to continue. But then she talked about her
acceptance of Jesus Christ. And she said this, and I'll
read just a couple of lines. She said, what you
don't understand about Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was our lamb.

(01:05:59):
He built an entire career on talking to college students peacefully,
on preventing nonviolence, and on engaging others in constructive dialogue.
For that he got the most cruesome, gruesome death possible.
And she ended it this way. You will hate my words,
I know that, but I'm speaking the truth. Please repent,

(01:06:20):
come to accept the grace of Jesus Christ. Please stop
hating us. And if there is a person, in my
opinion who is filled with so much hate, it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Is O is He's he is he's a despicable guy,
and he's and he's actually traded on that. He may
he gets clicks. He does this. I mean, it is
so extreme that you wonder if he if he has
a capacity to hate and says vile of things as
he says, if he's if it's really coming from if
he really means it, or if he just knows that
it makes him, you know, such an outlier that that

(01:06:53):
it just draws attention and he tries to monetize that.
But you go back to the days when he was
co hosting Sports Center with Dan Patrick, and he was
actually a great at narrating the highlights of every sport
and he was funny, and and then he got on MSNBC.
They he was so bad. MSc, MSNBC got rid of
him because he was just such a loan. But he

(01:07:15):
has just never slowed down. He has just gotten more
incendiary with his comments, and they hate that he spears.
Is you know, it's otherworldly. I swear it is. I
think it's demonic. But I felt like that a Republican
she's we had her on the show. We were kind
of the first show she'd been on, and she's she's deaf,
so she has to have an interpreter and things like that,

(01:07:36):
and so there's it. She has said that she has
felt particularly vulnerable in society given to something. Some of
her challenges for her to open up and share her
personal experiences, like that if anyone was going to reach
that guy, it would be her with what she wrote.
But I don't know if he's reachable. But you know,
I think she's following Charlie Kirk's example or.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Who to do. Yeah, she's following Charlie Kirk's example. You're
spot on, he says. She said, I accept Jesus Christ
in my life, and I hope you will come to
Christ as.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Well and stop hating us and nonimally, just stop hating everybody.
Just slow the roll, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
All right, more coming up, final half hour, The Rodden
Greag Show is coming your way on Talk Radio one
oh five nine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Okay, an us, So let me ask you. You're happy
with the like I know you were kind of you're
watching the utes closely this year. There's kind of a
crossroads with you in this team in terms of if
you're in for the long haul or if you're like
tired of this this. They're looking good No, they're they're
they're good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Okay, Yeah, Well they've got a big game. Will be
first game I get to see this year. They'll be
up with the you taking on the uh uh Texas
Tech Red Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I think the big the Big show is going to
be live from The Big.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Show is going to be up there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Bourbon's coming back to town. I don't know how everyone feels
about that. Yeah, anyway, No, it's when you're the when
you're the show, the nationally televised more you know, pregame. Yeah,
is coming from to go to Salt Lake City. That's
kind of always a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
This is Constitution Month here in the state of you Dah.
You and I both think it's a great thing, yes,
for the state to do. Yesterday was the two hundred
and something years for the signing of the US Constitution,
and the group involved in this every year they do
some wonderful things, including this Sunday evening. A patriotic interfaith
event is taking place this Sunday evening six pm at

(01:09:20):
the American Heritage School that's down in American Fork. A
lot of great speakers, including our next guest. She has
quite a story to tell, came from Iran earn her family.
Her name is Shima Bofman, and she's she's just got
a great story, inspiring story.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
To tell, she does. And again, what great timing to
have a Utah has a month of Founder's Month, we
really emphasize our founding fathers, our founding documents. And then
to have Constitution Day this week, and then to have
this event, the Patriotic Interfaith Event on Sunday, September twenty first,
six pm American Heritage School, which is as you said

(01:09:56):
in American Fork.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Free to the public. I believe there is it is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Well, I would just argue that it is needed right
now to have these discussions.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah. Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line right now
is one of those speakers we just mentioned her, Shima Bofmann.
She is a professor of law, distinguished fellow at the
Wheatly Institute down there at Byu. Shima, thanks for joining
us with everything going on the Constitution. Why is it
so important to talk about it right now? Is Shima?

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
I think sometimes we lose sight of what we have
when we are too myopic about it. So myopic about it,
I think for me and an immigrant to this country
where I grew up in a country without a democracy,
in the Islamic Republic of Iran, and my mom was
actually a political prisoner who was locked up because she
spoke against the government wanting elections in democracy. And I

(01:10:46):
saw the massive violations of all the constitutional rights that
we would hold sacred here, right the right of thirst
and seizure, the right of freedom of speech, the right
of religion, the freedom of religion, the religion you choose,
and so many other rights that we have for criminal defendants,
for a fifth sixth Amendment, rights, privacy, and lawyers. And

(01:11:08):
I saw that growing up and being able to be
blessed to be able to come to America, to immigrate
here and have the opportunity to live under constitutional democracy
every constitution day. I'm so grateful that this is the
rule of law that we live under. That we have
the separation of powers that we take for granted right
that the police can't walk us up and then we

(01:11:28):
just disappear or get killed in prison or write all
these things that happened regularly throughout the world. That yes,
we have our problems, but we also have this beautiful
constitution that protects all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I'm so I feel so fortunate Utah has a month
dedicated to our founders and the Constitution and that you're
taking time to really share your perspective. It is broad
and I think it's so relevant. One of the things
about Charlie Kirk, and I think why we're taking it
so personally his assassination happening in Utah many of us,
like myself, who might not have known his efforts or

(01:12:02):
work as much as I should have, frankly, is that
he was able to speak about Jesus Christ. He's able
to speak about his belief and a savior, and he
was able to talk about it with government in a
way that wasn't cringey at least to me. But he
I believe he shared it in an appropriate proportion where
I think that's why there's so much aggrieving in so
many people that are that have been so that are

(01:12:26):
grieving right now. Where do you see the role of
a divine power and our constitution? Is government meant to
protect us away from religion? Is the free is a
separation of church and state to keep us away from religion?
Or is it to protect religion? Or I'm just coming
from Iran as an and what's your what's your take
about that relationship between a higher power and our constitution?

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Absolutely, I think you know, the founding fathers were very
used to state churches, right. They didn't want one church
to dictate any one state or anyone country, so they
were careful of that. But they also recognize that they
were creating a nation under God.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
I mean, they all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Learned how to read through the Bible. That's how everyone
learned how to read in their days. So I think
they were a lot more comfortable with a more civic religion.
This idea of God and speaking about Jesus was more
comfortable where I think nowadays we maybe confused a little
bit what the First Amendment really means. As far as
you know, yes, we can't have a state religion. We
can't establish a state religion. But can people live their

(01:13:29):
lives and love God with all their hearts and minds
and practice their religion, which for some people like me,
involved testifying of Jesus Christ. When I teach my students'
criminal law. I don't know how you get away with
teaching criminal law without talking about Jesus Christ and the
atonement and redemption and mercy and justice.

Speaker 13 (01:13:47):
So I do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I'm so grateful that we have a country where we're
not bound to fast like you know in Iran, you
don't have to have job and you don't have to fast,
and you can't get put in prison for that. But
at the same time, we also have the opportunity to
pray and to worship in the ways that we want.

Speaker 12 (01:14:04):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
We can change religion if we want to or decide
not to practice religion, and all of that is protected.
I just think we're so blessed to have both rights.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Seimuh Waddy. I'm not sure if you're aware of this story,
but there was a senator or a US senator from
the state of Virginia of all places, who a couple
of weeks ago, during a Senate hearing, basically said that
the rights that we have today are given to us
by government, not by a higher power. And everyone went,
are you kidding me? Did he just say that? I mean,
what do you make when you hear comments like that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Yeah? I mean, I don't know if he's read the
Constitution lately, but I think one other things that I
love about Constitution day is I mean to read the
Constitution and actually, speaking of Charlie Kirk. There's been a
lot of social media lately boasting some clips, but one
of those is the greatest ones. Was a student that
had a little pocket constitution that he handed out and
he said, well, you know, why are you giving us

(01:14:58):
this constitution that it looks like it's written for graders.
And then Charlie Kirk was like, okay, you don't need
that constitution? Well what does article three say? And he
couldn't tell you that to the court, and he's like,
what about the Fourth Amendment? And he's like, I don't know.
And so I just think, you know, a lot of
us aren't actually reading the Constitution, reading the rights that
we have in the Bill of Rights. I think that's
the reason why I love Utah, that we celebrate these things.

(01:15:19):
And something Charlie Kirk did so well was getting people
to understand their constitutional rights and also was free to
talk about religion, which you know, I see religion as
a huge benefit. I don't know if you guys have
seen this, but after Charlie Kirk's assassination, which is obviously
was a horrible wrong, and something so h home in
Utah in a really dark, eerie way for all of

(01:15:39):
us that you know, I teach at Uyu five minutes
down the road from you to you. It's so horrendous,
But something that I've seen coming out of it is
a lot of people are now going to church for
the very first time, Yes, because of Charlie Kirk. So
I'm like, that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
It is, And I can hear the strength and your voice.
I can hear your life experience is so important in
the time that we're living in right now. What would
you say to our listeners who are feeling maybe dark
or demoralized by what's happened. What should we be looking
towards right now? As as your as we have this
month where we're really supposed to focus on these freedoms
as a constitution, you're sharing it with your perspective, maybe

(01:16:16):
share how we should be looking at America on our
communities going forward right now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think we should try to embody
the things for those that are sad that Charlie Kirk
had gone who did follow him. There's a lot of
young people that really saw him as this kind of
guy for their movement, and you know, someone who loves
religion and followday, I'm sad that he's gone. For the
for the very purpose of his this example, and so

(01:16:42):
I think, what can we do well. We can fill
those gaps. We can show our lights, we can testify
of the things that we know of the Constitution that
why it blessed our lives. I'm not the only one
blessed by the Constitution. We've all had experiences that bless us.
The power of the rule of law, separation powers, bill
of right, all of these things. We can talk about

(01:17:03):
those things and then also try to be more unified.
I think something that Charlie Kirk was great at doing
was talking to people who view like very differently than
he did, in a way that most of us don't do. Frankly,
we often put ourselves in these echo chambers, and so
I think that's something I'm taking away from this. Can
I talk to people that see things differently than me

(01:17:24):
and not see them as the other or the enemy,
but somebody that also can contribute, And I think that
will really heal us as a nation and help us
to move forward and be better after this horrible experience.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Shima, thank you very much for joining us. I'm just
trying to call that up again. It is a patriarch patriotic,
I can say that. Interfaith event taking place this Sunday night,
six pm at the American Heritage School. They're in American Fork,
a great lineup of speakers, including Shima and music by
the way from the Utah Valley Children's Choir. Do you
ever want to sing in a choir?

Speaker 10 (01:17:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Never, never want to sing. The choired hate singing. Don't
like singing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
I just you don't sing in the car, the shower
or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I'm at church. I kind of sing in a kind
of a slow kind of voice. I just, you know,
I want to sing, but I'm not really singing. No
one's gonna hear me. But I'm trying to, you know,
be respectful and faithful and sing. But I'm not a
big singer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
You're right, because I I don't understand. I'm not. I'm not.
I don't understand music. I've I've been trained in music.
I have two sons who did, and they're pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Really yeah, yeah, I think I might be tone deaf.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I'm not sure, but I might be the case, so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
But I don't like to sing loud, So I don't
want to be part of a choir.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Final few minutes of the Rod and Greg show Coming Down.
I love this juicy stuff. Wall Street Journal tonight recording
on the conversation between Jimmy Kimmel and ABC executives what
led to his bye.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Bye held out on me. You didn't even tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
It's I saw this come up. Kimmel had planned to
address cars comments the FCC commissioner on a show Wednesday night,
according to the Peel pe Pule familiar with the matter.
Before his on air appearance, Dana Walden, who's co chairman
of Disney Entertainment, spoke to the host about his plan.
The people said after the conversation between Kimmel and Walden,

(01:19:12):
she and other senior executives thought the stars approach could
make the situation even worse. People familiar with their conversation
said executives also discussed staff safety, including threatening emails emails
staff on Kimmel's show had received. After Carr's remarks, Walton
huddled with her team and Bob Iger, who runs Disney,

(01:19:34):
before the two executives decided to temporarily take Jimmy Kimmel
live off the air. The people said. She then informed
Kimmel of that decision.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
You know what that tells me is that he was
going to attack car. He was going to go he
was going to take he was going to take him down.
He was going to go after him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
That's what he was going to do. Kim O was
planning to say that his words were being purposely twisted
by some members of Make America again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
He was going to twist it. Well, he was accusing
of them of actually being the ones that killed Charlie Kirk,
and now those words are being twisted.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Take it out of context.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Yeah, that's that's been in a hole, digging deeper.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
There's word there. Meeting to night. We'll see anything comes
of us.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
I hope that well, I don't know, I don't watch it. Yeah,
go to go to Italy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
All right, head off, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family. And that's a great country of ours.
Thanks for joining us. We're back tomorrow at full

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