The Rod and Greg Show: Don and Elon's Dust Up; Rep. Burgess Owens on Turning Education Over to the States

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, well you stay with your silver lining because I
think you're nuts. Speaking of nuts, we have a case
of bickering billionaires today.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, that's what That's what i'm That's what i'm them.
That's what I'm seeing. The silver lining is.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Elon Musk, Donald Trump going at it today. We're going
to get it. I will get into that where Steve
Moore will join us.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Steve Moore, of course work for Donald Trump during the
first administration. Yes, in designing this tax cut plan, and
really that's what this bill is all about. I wish
they would have simplified at Greg and made it just
making those tax cuts permanent. But they've thrown a lot
of other things in there that the President won. So
we can get into that. We'll talk about that a
little bit later on. Of course, Congressman Burgess Owens will

(00:40):
join us. And a very important ruling today, Greg, coming
out of the Supreme Court about reverse discrimination. This is
a big, big win, and we'll talk about that as well.
So we do have a lot to get to today
here on the Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
So here's so, but let's just start with what's taking
the oxygen out of the room, and that is the
big giant fight between Elon Musk and Donald Trump. I
mean it is you know, it's with social media, you
can there can be barbes back and forth. It started
with uh, with Elon Musk being very unhappy with the
Reconciliation Billy. He didn't He called it an abomination. He

(01:17):
was very critical of the bill, and Trump was unusually measured.
He wasn't really going after Elon as he wants this
bill to pass. Uh, and he was I don't think
he was really taking the bait, so to speak. But
the criticism became sharper and sharper towards the president. And
President did respond that he was disappointed in Elon. He

(01:38):
felt like this was uh, this wasn't fair. Whatever he said,
Here's here's what I here's here's just one thing I
want to share with everyone. First off, people fight. You
got two people, You got two of the power. I
call this clash of the Titans. If you know, two
took more powerful people right now in twenty twenty five.
I'd like to meet him in These too, are two alphas. Okay,

(02:01):
these are these are the two dogs. These guys are
running the show. And you've got and you've pointed this
out before rodd. You know, Elon Musk is a founder.
He is someone who makes decisions and he acts on them,
and he's not wrong very often that I know of.
He's been very successful following his gut, following his you know,
his mind. But so is Donald Trump. And Donald Trump's

(02:22):
the president of the United States, and these two have
seen the world differently. And Donald Trump, apparently, according to
what's being said today, has taken the side of his
Treasury Secretary secretary at vescent. He's taken he has made
some decisions that that Elon Musk has not agreed with.
And ultimately Trump backs this bill and needs wants this
bill to pass, and and Elon is against it. Look,

(02:45):
I find it so strange that everybody's losing their minds
so early, when the Senate hasn't even come up with
a bill yet. There's so much more baking of the
cake that has to happen legislatively before everybody starts, you know,
drawing lines in the sand and bobbing grenades at each other,
because there just is there's just more of a let's say,
a process in front of this. But the only reason

(03:05):
I think that Trump supports this bill as it is
is because it has votes to pass. Yeah, he wants
a bill to pass. He doesn't want to see the
massive tax increase. He wants to see the border wall.
He wants to see the technology for the physical wall,
of technology, the border patrol agents, the immigration courts. There's
all kinds there's tax cuts on tips, there's all kinds
of things in this But it has votes to pass.
So why is he for this bill? Because it can

(03:27):
pass and it's good if Elon Musk is this angry
and he can terrify these GOP members of Congress to
cut more. You think Trump's going to be opposed to that.
Of course not. It'll be for that bill too. It'll
be fine, folks. I think these two, I think it's
a little WWF. I think you're seeing a lot of
a lot of big talk, some chest stumping. But I

(03:50):
predict that at the end of the day Elon Musk
and Donald Trump will be schmoopies again. They will be friends.
They're gonna be They're gonna bro hug it out. It's
like two boxers in a ring. They can talk all
the smack they want. The weigh in, they can talk
all the smack they want Between rounds and during fights,
but at the end of the fight, if it's been
a hard fought fight, they usually embrace. That is what's

(04:10):
going to happen here with these two. We can't afford
to have these two on opposite sides. It just plays
into the Democrats' hands too. Well, you have never been
so wrong in your life. No, I'm right on that.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Let me tell you what, let me tell you what.
I think this was a question of not if, but when, because,
like you said, you had two ego maniacs.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
No, that's Jordan.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
You have two alpha dogs, alpha dogs, okay, but their
egos are very large as well. Correct.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Their confidence is high, high confidence.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
But I go back to it. I just think it's
a matter of not if, but when and sooner or
I think everybody expected this.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
You know, you never said, you know, I think everybody.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
No, nobody expected So I think people expected this because
you have two very large personalities, and there were rumblings
out there that Elon wasn't happy with the way things
there were going. In my opinion, he's a bit of
a whack job, okay, very intelligent whack job, yeah, you know,
but for him, he and he more so than the

(05:13):
than the president than Trump. Okay. I think today has
made this very personal and that you know, and I'm
not sure how Donald Trump reacts to personal attacks, you know.
And Trump said today he said if he would have
been talking about the bill, I would have been okay
with that. But then he got a little personal. He
he basically, you know, he bragged, well, if it wasn't

(05:36):
for me, you wouldn't be president of the United States,
and Republicans would not control the House and Senate. That
cuts to the core for Donald Trump, because Donald Trump
worked his butt off for this, And and Elon says, yeah,
I gave you what two hundred and forty million dollars
something like that. Yeah, we know that money isn't everything
in a presidential campaign, asked Kamala Harris. She had a
billion dollars and still lost this race. Okay. And I

(05:59):
think then bringing up the Epstein files and saying he
does want to release these files because Donald Trump's name
is in this, well, we know that's not right because
if his name would have been in there, you don't
think that Joe Biden's administration would have released that.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, they'd have redacted everything else in it, but for
his name.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
But for that his name. So I don't know if this,
if this relationship can be repaired. Maybe it can. Donald Trump,
I mean he's repaired it with Marco Rubio, repaired it
with other people want Kimbell, little Marco. He's repaired it.
But this one because Musk has gotten really really personal here,
I think, especially the attack on the presidency. I don't

(06:39):
know if this relationship is salvagable. I got my opinion.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, and I think that that that Trump has high
respect for Elon Musk as a as an, as an inventor,
as someone that can do the things he's done with
SpaceX and everything else. He always respects people that are wealthy,
that make money and make it on their own.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
He does like sports teams, he loves.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
He loves athletes, he loves he loves business leaders that
are successful. He respects them. I got to tell you
that that these two are going to come back together.
It's gonna be fine. There's just there's just a lot
of you know, fur flying. At the moment, part of
me thinks, you know, some of this might be if
you get Elon on the wrong side, if Congress is
so scared they got all the receipts. He's put Elon,

(07:20):
put all the receipts out there to cut more. And
if Congress wants to be afraid, understand, he's not afraid
of Trump. He's definitely not afraid of these senators. He's
definitely not afraid of these members of the of Congress.
Maybe these Republicans revisit maybe a Senate bill looks like
it has a lot steeper cuts in it, like Senator
Johnson wants, and maybe the Republicans in the in the
in the House vote for it, and maybe then you

(07:43):
see they're crazy together. They're crazy, but they're not so crazy.
If at the end of the day you see a
bill that has steeper cuts than what we have or
what's rumored to be had today, then I would I
say that this could have been a good thing, but
it could play out very well.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
But if they do those deeper cuts like you're talking about,
uh huh, will Musk come back and say, Okay, I'm
fine with this.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I think he'll help facilitate it. I think so, yes, really, yes,
I do. I Look the thing I think this is.
I think there's some there, there is some chest bumping.
You have two alpha dogs here, that's for sure. But
I can't help but think this might be a little
bit of.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Gorilla dust.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I think you might have. You might have Elon
just pushing a little over the top to get the
full attention of that Congress in terms of what they're
trying to do.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I think he's made it too personal.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think the attack on Trump that he couldn't have
won the election without him. I think they're bringing up
the Epstein files. That's another issue that's just going to
irritate to Rump. Now, Trump is a different kind of guy.
Like you said, he was raised. He cut his teeth
in the business of New York City, and that is tough,
and you're you're not only punching, your counter punching, and

(08:55):
that's what Trump is very good at. But I don't
know if this relationship can be salvageable. And does Donald
Trump want it that way. I mean, if you look
at the polling, who's more popular Donald Trump? You know,
so he doesn't care about this on that side. So
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I don't I will never be it's up to Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
If it's up to Donald Trump, Trump he's calling he
was telling everyone that that that that Ted Cruz's dad
to help kill Kenner Kennedy Kennedy and living that Ted
was born in Canada. He called Marco Little Marco. He
he doesn't keep enemies for long. I mean, this is
part of who Trump is. He He will come out hard,

(09:34):
he'll come out tough, but he can he can make
up fast. It's whether Elon Musk will be able to.
I think he will. I actually think there's some there's
some I think this might be a World Wrestling Federation moment.
This might be studio wrestling, because who who's going to
be the Democrats foil if they don't have Elon that's true,
I mean he's the one. He's been the one that

(09:55):
they've been. They've been making him out to be the
biggest bad guy. Does that make Trump the good guy
now because Elon's mad at him? I just think it
kind of messes with the script with these leftists. I'll
be interested to see how things roll out.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
And we got a lot more to say about this today,
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Speaker 2 (10:27):
We had a blast of that yesterday. Yes, you's your comments,
Yeah yeah, givens your comments?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
All right?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
More coming up. It is the Rod and Greg show
right here on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
This is a studio wrestling fight, and Elon is coming
over the top on Trump like he is shocking everyone.
But it's to say, I gave you the receipts. I
showed you to cut your Congress talking to Congress, you're
too afraid to do it. If I'll do this to Trump, no,
I'm coming for you too, start cutting. Why would he
do it to Trump cause he's mad that Trump supports

(10:56):
the bill. He's mad at Trump supports the bill. But
I can completely understand why the President supports the bill
because he supports every single cut that Elon Musk has
found that has the votes to pass. That's what he supports.
He supports the bills that have this sport.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
We both have more points to make on this, but
we want to bring on Steve Moore. Steve Moore, he's
an economist, he's worked with Donald Trump, he knows the
two men. Well, Steve, thanks for joining us in this afternoon.
And what's your reaction to all of this, Steve.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Well, it kind of reminds me of that old saying,
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. In this case,
we're not talking about a woman. We're talking about Elon Musk.
But listen, I mean, I've said many times on your show,
I think Elon Musk is a hero for what he's
done for our country in terms of exposing the massive fraud.
But I'm also I think he's acted in a very
juvenile way in terms of attacking this Republican budget, which

(11:44):
is not a perfect bill. And you know, we've talked
about this on this show that there should be more
spending cuts, but it's a Musk pass bill and Elon
is having a little bit of a hissy fit here,
so and now they're just tossing grenades at each other.
It's really escalated.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So and look, what I really regret about this, Steve,
is that I would argue that there's no such thing
in the legislative process where a Senate just buys wholesale
the build of the house sends over. The Senate's going
to do that work, right, they gotta do it. So
my question is, we have so much time before we
actually get to a conference committee and all of this.
Why the fireworks?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Now?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Why does everybody look like they're losing their minds right
now when there is such a runway of legislative process
still in front of us.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Well, I mean, I agree with that, except that I
do think that they really needed to get this done
sooner rather than later. I mean, I think to ly
fourth is looking a little ambitious, But you know, the
sooner that we can get this bill passed, that more
of the markets will react in a positive way and
the Business Committee will take a breath of relief. So,
but they made it hard, and it shouldn't have been

(12:48):
this hard to get this done. Obviously, you're right, that's
not that it's going to write its own bill, but
I think it'll be similar. And then you go to,
as you said, what's called the reconciliation process, where they
reconcile the two bills. That's the where are to our
legislative process works? And the look they're going to pass
this bill. They're going to get it done, and I
wish it weren't taking so long, and I wish it

(13:10):
weren't so acrimonious. But I'm with John Ron Johnson and
Ram Paula. I wish there were more stunning cuts in
this bill.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, yeah, Steve, why not keep the bill simple and
just work to extend the president's tax cuts, the plan
that you worked on when he was first in offense.
Couldn't they have addressed that right away without all this
other stuff, Steve?

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, they could have, and they should have. But you know,
if if and butts for Kennedy's and nuts, what I
wonderful what they we'd have. So, I mean, we could
have done it that way. They didn't. Part of it
is just every you know, everybody wants to put their
own imprint on the bill, and that's just the way
congresses and legislative bodies work. But listen, I mean, let's

(13:51):
not bury the lead here. The last couple of weeks
have been tremendous for Trump in terms of the economy
really performing well. We got that four and a half
percent economic growth for Gusts the other day from the
Thaer Reserve Bank, which is amazing. I mean, that's a huge,
huge left for the economy. So things are going well
for Trump notwithstanding this a little spat with Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, so that I think this almost throws a lifeline
to the Democrats because they'd had nothing going and this
is there's just there's lapping this up. This is the
best day in the of their lives. U. Some people
think you can't get the toothpaste back in the tube.
Fighters make fights. I've seen fighters, you know, embrace at
the end of a round in the air, end of
a fight at the ring. Are these two coming back right?

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Well, you never know.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
I mean, you got two superregos. This was bound to happen. Actually,
you know, when I was at Bar Lago, a couple
of times i'd see Trump, uh, you know, having conversations
with Elon Musk at the dinner table and maybe going
back and forth, and you know, I thought, well, these
guys are probably I mean, I think you'd agree they're
probably the two biggest egos in the world. Ea of it.
And I'm thinking, hey, this might not end well. One

(14:54):
of these have to be the alpha male. They can't
both be the alpha male.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, boy, that's that's for sure. Well, let's switch gears
real fast Eve. Good news today on the trade deficit.
What happened? Why is it so important?

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Well, you know, I don't think the trade depthit that's
an important number, but it does mean that imports are following.
That's one of the reasons the economy grew is we're
buying more from production, you know, from our local producers,
and that's a I'm all on favor of that. But
the most important thing that happened with the with that
GDP report is that business investment is really strong. And

(15:26):
you guys know, business investment is really the seedcorn of
a growing economy. If business invests, they create jobs, they
create products, the economy grows.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
So on your on the Unleashed Prosperity hotline, I'm reading
this morning, three hundred economists have signed a letter encouraging
Congress to support the extended tax cuts and get this
before a massive tax hike hits. Do you do you
feel the momentum? Do you think, I mean, three hundred
economists is not a small number. Is this becoming a

(15:57):
consensus movement inside.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Of the belt weigh Yeah, I think it is. I mean,
we're we're disagreeing on some of the fringe things. I
shouldn't maybe call them fringe, you know, but they're important issues.
But the heart of the matter is that most economists
would agree that it would be catastrophic if we didn't
get this thing done. So they will get it done.
I'm putting outs at eighty five percent. I don't know
if they're going to get done by the fourth of July,

(16:20):
but I think they will get it done before the
August recess because you know, they want to go home.
So but this is good news. Three hundred and two
economists and business leaders say, hey, this is really good
for the economy. Get it done, And I think that's precisely.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
What they're going to do.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
All right, all right, Steve Moore, thanks for joining us, Steve,
giving us your insight into that. We got, you know,
our talkback. We've got a lot of people already today
commenting on what's going on. Some agree with me, others
agree with you.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
No, they all agree with me.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
No they do it, all agree with you. But well
we'll carry on and get more of your thoughts on
this if you'd like to join us. Eighty eight eight
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a comment as well. We'll share those with you. Top right, yep,
top right, will share all that with you, the talkback
comments exactly. I think they're spot on. I think you

(17:10):
guys are seeing you're seeing it like I'm seeing it.
I think there's a bit of studio wrestling going on here.
But here's the thing. If all that, I just fundamentally
believe Rod.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
That he is that that Elon Musk has paid a
terrible price for buying Twitter to bring bring free speech
back into America so that we have social media doing it,
exposing how the algorithms were censoring us, and then three
hundred million dollars in a presidential campaign, working as hard
as he did, bringing younger people along as he did,

(17:43):
then going into Doge finding the receipts of the absolute
criminal fraud going on, and he is disappointed he's not
seeing that in these cuts. He should see a lot
more than what's in there. And he has every right
to be as frustrated as he is. With that said,
I think he comes out hard, becomes hard. He comes
out hard at Trump. Now Trump loves that bill, because

(18:04):
why it's got the votes to cut down the tax
cuts there, to cut more taxes, to build the border wall,
get more border agents, do a ton of good things,
but it doesn't have all the cuts in it. If
what happens here and what happens next, is that the
GOP Congress realizes that they got every Democrat in the
world against him. Now one of their best ally greatest allies,

(18:24):
Elon is furious. Maybe they start cutting a little deeper
that what's wrong with that? You think Trump will oppose
more cuts in that bill? Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
You said an interesting point. Appreciate interesting word. Do you
feel he's appreciated? I now, Trump give him a big
send off all was it last Thursday? Gave him the
golden key to the White House? You name it. I
just his appreciation, in my opinion, comes from the fact
that people adopted what he did with Doge, and I

(18:53):
don't think they have no And that's why he's sticked off.
I think he's like a little kid in taking his
ball home. You know, And you and I disagree on this.
You think Trump, who has said before he does not
like permanent eminent enemies, will kiss and make up. I
don't know if that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Tiving a makeup. I think these guys are I think
these guys are like it away in at a fight
and they all talk smacked. They get everybody hyped up.
Everyone wants to buy the pay per view because they're
talking at each other. They look like they hate each other.
They're so mad. Everybody wants to see it. Okay, it
gets everyone's attention, and they're saying it today. And you
guess what. At the end of the fight, guess what
these guys do. They hug and they tell everyone, I
got I got respect for that guy. I'm telling you

(19:32):
these two sure, these Titans, this clash of the Titans,
they're gonna be They're gonna be bro hugging it out.
I guarantee it's gonna happen when we'll see. But folks,
we're so early in this process. And when I say early,
I mean the Senate. Still this cake is even halfway baked.
You got to have a Senate bill, and then once
the Senate gets a bill, they have to get their
fifty one votes for something. You got Ron Johnson, you've

(19:55):
got Mike Lee, You've got rand Paul that want more
cuts but you know, for fact, there's these Sue Sue
Susan Collins and these moderates and Murkowski, probably even Lindsay
Graham that want more spending. Okay, they got to go
get fifty one votes when they do, and that they
got a House bill and a Senate build then they
got to wrangle it out. That's going to happen in July,
mid July, late July. So I'm telling you it's way

(20:19):
way early. And I think what you're seeing right now.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So if it's way way early, white blow it.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Up, because I think they're trying to get the Yeah,
I think this is I think I think there's I
think there's a real look. I think that that Elon
Musk has paid a high price for what he's done
in terms of this Tesla takedown. Those leftists they succeeded
and destroying his to some degree, his business, his reputation.

(20:45):
Really people that have Tesla's have seen them damaged and
everything else. He's taken a real, real hit for this,
and I think he'd like to see his image restored.
And I I mean, I have a former colleague I
served in the House with and he thinks that this
is like a one of our Republican House Caucus meetings
where you're fighting back and forth, but you're your colleagues.
But at the end of the day, he'd like to

(21:06):
maybe restore his image with the general population, even those
that don't support Trump, and maybe this is a way
to do that.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, let's go to a couple of comments where it's
taking on our talkback line. If you don't know what
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(21:34):
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Speaker 7 (21:38):
Gentlemen, I think it's a little bit of theater. So
in some regards you're both right. But to say that
he's all or say that Elon is all wound up
over the EV mandate being removed. EV is dead, and
Elon knows it, and everybody in America knows it too.

(21:58):
So let's let's focus on that for a moment and
have a discussion.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, well, he's right. I think this this uh listener
who left us a message, He's right. I don't think
it's all about the ev mandate. It is always going
to come in, but it's not about this. This guy's got
all the money in the world. He doesn't need more money.
It's not about that.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
And by the way, when you look at AI and
how much that's how much energy that requires. It's insane
to have electric cars when we don't have enough energy
for all the emerging technology that if we want to
stay in front of, we've got to be able to
generate the power for.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Here's another comment from talkback Roden.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
Greg You mentioned WWE and maybe this is prescripted.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah. See, now you say it's prescripted.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I'm telling you it's studio wrestling.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think his ego, which is so large, he's a
bit quirky of a diary.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
All know that hostile towards Elon Musk. I don't know
where this hostility comes from you. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Who you are with those I loved what he did
with it.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Nice about him. Up until today, you've been nothing butter.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
He still don't have to do this. You know, he
didn't have to do this, but he did it because
of his ego gotten away.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I think there's a strategy here.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Okay, all right, more of your thoughts and more of
our thoughts on the feud between the big green billionaires
coming up on The Rodden Gregg Show and Talk Radio
one oh five nine knrs. Well, you think it's all
a stage act.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I think it's studio wrestling.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I do, I do.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
But let's we've had some call We've had some on
our talk back line. We have some good comments, but
we have a caller. Let's go to our smartest listening
audience in all the land. Let's go to Mark and
West Point Mark, thank you for holding. Welcome to the
Rod and Gregg Show. What do you think about Elon
Musk versus Donald Trump? What's going on there?

Speaker 9 (23:38):
Good afternoon? And I completely agree one hundred percent of
the Greg. The first second I saw it, I heard it,
I went this is completely staged to get the six
minutes lived hard mindset, can't remember what happened yesterday to
jump back on to his side, so we start selling
his cars and everything else that he had to do.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
This was plan from the get go, Really you'd think
that more.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
I also agree with him that we need to we
need to get rid of that so that those five
to ten Republicans that hold everything up every single time
can actually maybe become Republicans and not Romney.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I agree. And you know what, Mark, I think. I
think that what he's trying to signal to these members
of Congress that are afraid to cut more is whatever
you're afraid of, be more afraid of me, because you
don't get the cover of that of President Trump anymore.
Because Trump and I are on wrong side. We're not
we're on good terms. If I'm willing to do that
with the President, I'm going to come in primary you

(24:42):
if you're not gonna if you don't have the guts
to cut more than and you should be cutting more.
And that's not to say that there will be a primary.
That's to say, we should get a bill that has
a lot more cuts in it. It should and and
and Trump will celebrate that moment.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
If he has the vote. If he's what you've said
this because the have supports.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
The tax cuts and the and the most the best
best bill you can get that you have the votes
to pass that's what he's for.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
All right, Let's go back to our talk back line
and get another comment from one of our great listeners.

Speaker 8 (25:12):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. Listening to both of you, I can
see both sides, But Citizen Hughes, I'm gonna have to
agree with you on this one. Is very powerful and
I think it's a good shocking off for the members
of Congress to realize that. Listen, I did all this
work and you guys are messing it up and you're

(25:34):
not going along with maga agenda.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Thanks, gentlemen, all right, So why is he taking it
out on Trump?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
He's showing him.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
If he's so mad at members of Congress, why not
get mad at them instead of taking it out on
Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Because Donald Trump keeps backing their play, he keeps coming
out and they keep supporting it.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I can do this to him, and I can do
it to you.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's right. So what you've had for stag I could
not understand so early in this process. Why do we
see the executive branch? Why is President Trump's cabinet and
everybody coming out raw rar cheerleading the House bill because
the Senate hasn't even put their bill together. Yet you
don't even know what it looks like. Why are you?
Why are you getting involved so early? What what Elon
Musk is trying to tell Congress is, yeah, you're you're

(26:17):
you know, they're trying to muster some political courage through
Trump being supportive. He's saying, no, he's not going to
be your political cover. If you can't cut the fraud,
if you can't cut what we what we found that's
low hanging fruit. And every Democrat already hates your guts.
You don't get it. You don't win any of them over.
I'm gonna come. I'll come after you because I'm not
afraid of the president. That's what he's doing. But you

(26:38):
know what, I don't think that this is a fight
between Donald Trump and Elon Musk. I think that that
Trump's like, look, Elon, if you can get more cuts, good,
more power to you, came great.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I need to build a passages a women. Are you
saying that Donald Trump knew this was coming?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I you know, I don't know if he knew, but
I would tell you this. I think these two genuinely
like each other. I think they're friends. I think that
they understand this country is a better country with both
of them, and at the end of the day, whatever's
happening today, these two will come together. And I that's
my prediction. You're gonna see these guys come together, and
then you can conclude yourself whether this was performative or not.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's over no way. We'll talk about and more of
your comments coming up.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Elon Musk did this in spite of the Democrats throwing
court you know, court shopping and getting you know, judges
to stop them, and they and trying to accuse him
of every wrongdoing under the sun. And I think he
personally sacrificed a lot to serve this country, to again
restore free speech, but also to really open our eyes,
open my eyes to the kind of graft and corruption

(27:41):
and fraud that this government has been engaged in for
I don't know how long. These NGOs they get this money.
This is a this is a shadow government with the
kind of money they're getting. And when you see like
a data Republican who we were the first to have
as an interview and she's now well known nationally, she
shows how these institutions of higher education just they washed
the money they sent it to one from one school

(28:03):
to the next school, then to a Schwab account, and
it's just unbelievable what's been uncovered. And you don't see
enough of this either in the recision packages that the
White House is setting in which only needs fifty one
votes in the Senate. The key is you need fifty
one votes. So the recision package you can cut of
existing budget that says, hey, we don't want this much money,
cut it. And then the other is the Reconciliation Bill,

(28:25):
which is the non discretionary funding is all you can cut.
But even that, there's a lot you can cut from.
And I think he's paid a personal price. I think
his company has, and he is rightfully upset. But I
don't think this is as personal between Trump and Elon
as you think.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I think it is personal. I think Elon mutt. I
think Trump got word in the White House that Elon
was ruffling a lot of feathers inside the West Wayne. Okay,
he was ruffling some feathers. I think Elon liked you,
and I agree with you on at least one point.
He's frustrated that all this work has done, no one's
paying attention to it. Yeah, no one's paying attention to it.

(29:03):
But my question is I just think the egos clashed.
I didn't think that. You know, the question was how
much longer were they going to last? And today it
came to a head, and I just I just I
don't see this relationships, say this relationship repairing. So I
mean tomorrow morning, Elon Musk going to come out and say,
you know, I probably shouldn't have said those mean things

(29:24):
about Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know what's gonna happen. What they're gonna cut more
out of this bill. You miraculously, they're gonna Congress. Republicans
in Congress and the center are going to see the light.
They're gonna cut a heck of a lot more than
what we see today. And and Trump will have no
complaints about that. He just supports a bill that has
the votes to pass. You get those you you put
some courage in or just put the fear into these
GOP members of Congress that unfortunately, I hate people that

(29:47):
act out of fear. But that's all that Congress seems
to want to do. But when you see those deeper
cuts happen and you see that bill pass, watch those
two come together and celebrate. I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well, okay, why is he doing this? I mean he's
already he's already hated by the liberals. Yeah, he doesn't
care because he left him he said, see you. I
think he'd liked to tone that down. Look, this becomes
this discombobulates the Democrats and the leftists.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
They don't know what to say. That he was their foil.
Elon Musk was their foil. Where do they go now? Yeah,
it really does throw a wrench in their little, you know,
their little campaign.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
But I also think he lost support of a lot
of Trump supporters today. I think doing this, their Trump
supporters out there are going to say, you know, it's
I mean, the loyalty factor with Donald Trump is so high.
And for Elon just to come out of the blue
with these comments, not only today but over the last
couple of days, I think it's going to tick off.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
We're in a storm. It's just start today. You wait
till at the end. So this is my prediction. Congress
doesn't do anything till they have to. They want to
go to They want their recess like they're in school. Okay,
they want recess at the beginning of August. That will
be when these bills passes and when the August recess.
They don't want to lose a single day in their
August recess. They will miraculously, you know, hasten the pace,

(31:03):
get going, and they will find some agreement by the
end of July so they can enjoy their full August recess. Well,
when we talk again, So just put a pin in
this right now, because when we speak in August, when
the dust settles in a bill's pass or two bills passed,
decision and reconciliation.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Will be there.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
For the bills, we'll see two things. You'll see more
cuts than you have.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Today and agree with that.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
And you will see these two reunited, and it feels
so good. It'll be a Peaches and Herbs song all
over again. It'll be so beautiful. They love this country.
And now I think they still they just they're still bros.
They still are.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Romance all right. We want to get to your phone
calls eighty to eight five seven eight zero one zero.
We also want to get to your talk back comments.
Here are some of the comments our listeners made about
this few today.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I just got to say, if I was Elon Musk,
I'd be a little bit irritated about spending the last
four months of my life trying to find cuts, only
to have everybody nor it.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
And I think his ego got to him. He said,
I'm taking my ball and going You.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Say everything you say makes it sound like it's juvenile.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
He he has a youthful zeal. You tell me behavior.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
This is a this is one of the this is
the richest man in the world. This is what a
guy who makes decisions usually and doesn't get told no. Yeah,
but he's not immature about it. He's principled about this,
and he's angry. He's frustrated to say, he's frustrated, and
he's trying to and all the White House is doing
is trying to give political cover for this bill that

(32:33):
he doesn't think is good enough. So he's going to
come after that show. Members of Congress. You don't get
the hide behind the present because I'm not afraid of
him either. But all that said, these guys are going
to be good at the end.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Here's another comment.

Speaker 10 (32:44):
Rod greg There's an old saying I framed a long
time ago. It says, when two people are great on everything,
one of them is unnecessary. I'm loving the show today,
so keep it up.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
So does that mean we're both necessary, Yes, because we
just agree with You're wrong and I'm right.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
And it's always fun to hear someone who's, you know,
confused about an issue and someone.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Who sees it crystal clear. There are people out there
who agree with me, you know so.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
And I want to be clear because you said this
during a commercial break, and I want our listeners to
be witnessed to this. You say that if if President
Trump and Elon Musk become friends once again, I don't
think that I was right. Is that you said?

Speaker 6 (33:24):
Now?

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Listen, I would agree, okay, because if you said that
off there, if.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Elon shows up in the Oval office and they have
a big love point at some point, what okay to
find what some point after the bill pass? After the
bill pass and audience, what if he will you agree
with me? If he doesn't?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
If this stays a permanent uh A fracture. If this
stays a permanent fracture, then I will say today had
more teeth to it than I gave it credit for. Yes,
I will say.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
This, Yes, you will say a permanent If this is
a permanent fracture, I will say that I was and
that this was more personal and more h and and irreparable.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Uh than I thought it was. I will admit that you.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Will say these three words. Rod was right.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, you say right, because they're getting back together. I'm
telling you in August, they're coming back together, all right.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Before we get to more comments on our talkback lines,
let's go to Jerome and Layton and let him weigh
on on this tonight. Jerome, how are you? Don't we
tell me like a bunch of kids, Jerome, Let's be honest.

Speaker 11 (34:31):
No, I think I think they're playing the game.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (34:35):
You've heard of good cup, bad Cop yep? Or when
when cop really leans on you and the other cup
and let's be friends. And in this case, uh, it's
it's like a dice cup and the democrats of the
little of the zones and the inside the cup and
they're being shock.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
All right, good cup background in front of in front
of Congress.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yes, they're playing good cup, back cup.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
That's a game.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's what Drum says.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
That's what said.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Have respect for our listener.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I do have respect for a list I just disagree
with him. Another comment on our talk read wine.

Speaker 12 (35:13):
Hey, guys, I agree with Greg. I think Elon Musk
put a lot into making this country better. And I
think that he's getting not what he needed, not what
he expected. You know, he gave everything and expected what
he gave and he didn't get it. I think that

(35:38):
he's a hero. I think they should put him on
a thousand dollars bill.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Wow, is there such a thing as a thousand dollars bill?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
If there's not, there should be and it should have
Elon Musk's face on it. And I'm telling you right now,
the guy is that he has done so much for
this country. And I'm just going to tell you two people, Trump,
President Trump, Elon Musk. You cannot have them on the
opposite side for long. These two are coming together. It's
gonna be good, and everyone's gonna sober up. Sometimes you
gotta let the fur fly. Sometimes it's gotta fly.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Fur flying in here. Now.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
No, we can passionately disagree. I can be right and
endure your your AC crisis. Yes, I can do this.
I'm very patient. I'm very patient. So there's no fur
flying in here. But I'm gonna tell you sometimes you gotta,
you know, push over a chair here or there, and
you gotta get a little tough. And that's what Elon's
doing right now. And you know, I think in this case,
oddly enough, Trump's playing the good cop trying to say,

(36:30):
you know, hey, be nice and come on. Doesn't that alone,
Doesn't that alone tell you there's something up here? When
when Trump's playing the good cops say be nice, come on,
we know this.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I just don't. I don't think the relationship can be repaired.
We want to get more of your thoughts on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n R S. We're talking about the
dust up, the big dust up that those the legacy media,
those on the left, including the late night comedians, are
having a field day with this thing already. Greg, you

(37:02):
you brought up a point in our discussion today in
which you said, Leon Musk is basically saying, hey, Republicans,
if you don't go along and make these deep cuts,
I'm going to primary you. Yes, okay, but if you're
if you say okay, I'll primary the incumbent, right, and

(37:23):
I'll take money from from Elon. Right. But are there
strings attached with that money from Elon?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
And would you take that money? Well?

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I think he's interested in one type of Republican, one
that wants to cut the federal budget, one that wants
to if he shows you fraud, if he shows you
money going to NGOs, going to hire ed that they
funnel end to other organizations and political causes outside of
congressional purview, you would have to be a candidate that says,
without a doubt, I will cut that. There isn't a

(37:54):
lobbyist in town, there's not a special interest, and there's
no fear that can be applied to stop me from
being willing to cut that. That is going to be
his I think that would be his north star in
looking for candidates to primary Republicans who are afraid to
do that.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Do you believe that Elon Musk and Donald Trump? Donald Trump,
I think the second time around has a much better
understanding of Washington and Congress. Yes, and understands you take
what you can get. Correct, And this may not be
the perfect bill, but it does extend the tax plan,
which is most important. It is among everything the massive

(38:30):
tax increase that would come without it, because he knows
you take what you can get. Yes, Elon does understand that.
I don't think Elon understands.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I think we're still in the event, and I think
he is more interested not in the primary. He will
primary the Republicans that don't have the guts, but he
I think he's hoping they find a little bit of
courage here, They find a spine knowing he's there and
he's not afraid of President Trump or anyone else, and
they do cut more. Here's an example to your point.
This is what Donald Trump didn't know. He sent a

(39:01):
recision package to Congress saying, here, here's money we have
in the executive branch. I don't want, I don't want,
I want you to cut. It was a fifteen billion
dollar package. Congress didn't touch it. This year's it's nine
points something billion. Okay. Why because he worked with the
Speaker of the House and and he identified cuts that
the Speaker said I can get the votes for. Because

(39:22):
at the end of the day, and I used to
tell this when I was in the legislature, I'd tell
us to colleagues, if you don't if you can't do
the math, if you don't get the votes to get
out of your bill, out of committee, off the floor,
through the Senate, if you can't find the math to
do it, if you can't hear people's concerns a mend
it to get to a place where you get to
the math. You're in the wrong business. Go write books,

(39:43):
give speeches, do something. But legislative work isn't your game
because you have to get to the math. What Donald
Trump understands now is I got to get the math.
That's why he's defending the House bill, because it has
the math to pass. But that said, we are only
halfway through that process. The Senate has its work to do.
And having I think Elon Musk coming out guns blazing

(40:06):
like this, I think I would hope for the sake
of those congressional Republicans they're paying attention here and they
find the courage to I've never understood why they wouldn't
cut it anyway, Rod The Democrats are already Schumer's already saying,
this is the worst thing that's ever happened. This is
going to destroy the whole.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Country, three hundred thousand people.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Once you're that hot, you don't get any hotter. There's
nothing they're going to cut more that's going to get
any worse rhetoric out of Schumer than you're already hearing today.
So why not go and find the and just take
the fraud that's been shown to you and cut it deeper.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So, but I go back to the original thing that
we've been talking about. You think this is all stage.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
I did.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I think it's studio wrestling.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
You studio wrestling because you think what Elon Musk is
doing is attacking Trump knowing that he can get away
with that. I don't know if he can, but he's
trying to do.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
There's one man on earth that can.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
It's him to send a message to members of the Senate, yes,
to get things done. You said, so this is all
stage to your.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Opinion, because here's what's happened up till now. If Trump
was out there saying, hey, these guys are great, then
then the American people that support Trump are more likely
to support Congress and what they what they're what they
what they have the votes for right now because Trump
is trying to back them. He's trying to give them
political courage. Okay, I think that what what Elon Musk
is saying is you can't hide behind the president on

(41:25):
this one. Okay, I'm here and he actually said today
the Trump has three three years plus three and a
half years, whatever he has, I have a lifetime. He says,
I'm here forty years. Yeah, that's what he said. Yeah,
I'm here forty is saying he's a king maker. He's saying,
oh yeah, he's saying, I'm not getting out of this.
I'm I'm going to be around pal I'm going to
be around folks. I'm going to be around what I
that doesn't just why but this. But I'm telling you

(41:48):
the reason I like that is that everything he's done
up till now really has been for for our country.
It's been for freedom of speech, it's been for finding
the fraud. It's it's not been for his Guy's got
all the money he needs. He's actually into the bigger
issues now, the things that are that he doesn't want
this country to be destroyed. He sees his South Africa's destroyed,

(42:10):
that country's gone. He doesn't want this country to go
the same route. He's trying to save America. And I
think that that again.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So you have to throw a fit to save America.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I think he's what he's doing, and I don't think
I think Trump is aware of it. And I think
that these guys are playing a little bit of a
studio arrest wwwf.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Or betwwe good cut back.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, like Jerome said, good cup, bad cup? When Trump
is the good cup? Can we all come on that?

Speaker 13 (42:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
There is to tell.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
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Donald Trump. I think a fewd is better than theirs.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It is. Well, I'm not with you, I'm not feuding
with you. I'm patiently walking through the facts of the matter.
I I've told you, I've told you. I don't have
the luxury of opinion. Ron I just he is the crown.
I just know. I just know. I just know. By
the way, can I play a clip?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah, let's play clip.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
So let me let me just play this, And folks,
this is why what I'm sharing in terms of the
studio wrestling and trying to get these members of Congress
to cut more fraud out of this budget anyway. This
is why this has to be true, because MSNBC, this
is just, this is just in real time. They can't
get over themselves. They are so happy to see this
little fight. They they're ready to I bet you they'll

(43:41):
be throwing trying to throw their arms around Elon anytime now.
But listen, listen to these two characters on msnbcicle.

Speaker 14 (43:47):
I'll just say briefly to you, I thought the Drake
Kendrick feud was bad.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I thought it got ugly, but this is already worse.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
This is epic.

Speaker 15 (43:57):
I cannot wait to go watch.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
If we're gonna gonna if you're gonna go there, I'm
gonna go We're gonna go there.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
We're gonna get into it as you've been covering it.
The serious and the messiness of it. Wow, the seriousness
and the messiness.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, in your dreams. Democrats, let me just tell you this.
You don't know what to do. He was your perfect foil.
Somehow the American people, I mean, his disapproval ratings were
higher than Trump's. I I don't know how they made
Elon Musk into the foil that they did, but they
were successful at it, and he and so the man
has paid a high price to serve the country the

(44:31):
way he has. I think he's all in. He's like, well, Okay,
we're gonna do this.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I'm gonna do this. And I I, I just I
can't see this being staged. I I just I think
this relationship may be permanently damaged.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Nope, it Yeah, they're too tight, They're they're too big,
they're too important, and this country is too important to
save these guys. These guys are gonna be bro hugging
it out. You watch.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
But you know I I watched some clips of them
since the president became you know, president, back in January,
and there sits down with Sean Hannity and other They're
falling all over each other exactly, I'm waite formed to
swap spit.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
What are they exact? So what do you think they're bipolar?
Of course not. This is just these two.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
You say this all the game. So look, so if
we're to believe this, what you're saying today is a
staged event, are we to believe all the other stuff
that came before this where they're hugging and kissing each other?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yes, I'm going to tell you this. These two are
close enough. Now, Look, I'm not saying that memos went
out far and wide. I'm not saying everybody under the
sun knows about it. I mean, if you know it's
it's I think these two spoke. I think you know,
he came out against the bill, and I think probably
they got to be close enough that Trump caledman said
can you lay off? I got to get the votes
for this, and He's like, no, I think there's more

(45:50):
to do. I think those two came up with an
idea and you're seeing it play out.

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Speaker 1 (46:52):
Well, here's another one of our great listeners taking advantage
of this new way to contact the Greg and Rod Show.
Here's a comment about this feud between Trump and musk.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Hi.

Speaker 16 (47:02):
My name is Nate from Pleasant Grove. I'm wondering about Doge.
They were finding fraud every day. They said, everywhere they look,
they're finding fraud. Have they found all the fraud? Because
we're not hearing anything more about it. They was talking
about investigating Congress finances, looking into gold of Fort Knox.

(47:25):
Then all of a sudden, nothing kind of makes me
wonder if somebody yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
If somebody maybe is hiding.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Things, well, look, I'm going to tell you that I
think DOGE will continue to do its work. I think
that you'll see more. I think we've talked to members
of our Washington delegation that represent us here, represented Congressman Kennedy.
I was on the phone or on our show, and
he said, look, this is a one time shot. We
don't just do it once and we're done. We're not
one and done. We have a lot more to cut.

(47:53):
We're going to keep going. So this is just a start.
But I do think that the dog has just found
too much fraud for us to to ignore it. And honestly,
if you don't have a Republican majority that can take
the receipts that have been found. This isn't just percentages
that Democrats can interpret the worst way, in the most
draconian way and attack Republicans for daring cut anything. These

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are receipts, real of NGOs and money that leaves that
Congress spend, appropriates that leaves the government purview, and is
spent by individuals with no supervision or understanding of how
those dollars are spent, and they're profiting from it. Most
of it, and the stuff they do keep to spend,
they don't spend making America stronger. It's the opposite of
So I'm going to tell you that if we don't

(48:35):
have Republicans in a majority in the House and Senate,
that will stop that funding now or later. Okay, they
don't deserve to be there, They fundamentally don't. And I'll
contribute to the pack that Elon has if he goes
after him, because look, I've been a lawmaker. I know
appropriations can't get easier when they can show you that

(48:56):
there's no good and there's no straight faced answer for
how the money's being spent. That's easy to cut.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
That should be very easy to cut.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
That should be very easy to cut.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
And the NGOs, I come on, that's just say.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Those NGOs have sent these people over the border, all
into the interior of this country with in hotel rooms
and and three meals a day. That's just one thing
they've done. They have been destroying and dismantling this country.
This is how they were Trump proofing the country if
if in fact Trump won, this is how they were
doing it. Well, Elon Musk has found the money trail.

(49:27):
He found how this was being done. This has to
be dealt with either now in this bill, the big
beautiful bill, the recision package. If there's only again he
has two hundred he's booked to what two hundred and
fifty two hundred and seventy billion right now? He has
more once the judges get out of the way and
let him look, you know, more and deeper. He knows
it's out there. But anyway, there is so much out

(49:48):
there that needs to be cut. He's found it. He
has paid a personal price, I believe to do what
he's done, and he I think he is well within
his right to have high expectations of a Republican controlled
House and Senate and pres to cut the fraud.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
And you still say, is all stage?

Speaker 5 (50:03):
I do?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I think he's I think he is going to scare
the daylights out of those Senators and those Republican Congress
members of Congress, and they will cut more. That's what
I hope, if they're smart, they should more.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Coming up on the Roden Greg Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine, knrs Hey, Rod and Greg.

Speaker 15 (50:19):
Amanda from Layton love the discussion today. I think the
feud is a mix of both. I think it's a
little bit of theatrics. Obviously, Elon's frustrated. We're frustrated too.
I agree with not adding to the debt, but I
do think there's some good things in the bill that
need to be done.

Speaker 17 (50:38):
Just hoping more cuts come.

Speaker 15 (50:39):
So we'll see what happens. And I do think that
they'll bro hug at the end of the day. And
I think they respect each other and they know that
they're trying to do.

Speaker 17 (50:52):
Hi, guys, it's scary and Roy. I really hope that
Greig is right. I'm not real sure, but the only
thing I really know is, ever since twenty fifteen, whenever
I thought Donald was wrong, give it a little time,
a couple of weeks or whatever. It turns out he
was right. So we'll see what happens. I really love

(51:13):
the show. Thanks, have a good day, all right, there.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
You go get a couple more opinions off of our
talk back line.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, I love I love the quick takes and I
and look, I do think it's I do think it's right,
and I think that that Donald Trump, they hold each
other in higher God. They have deep respect for each other.
And I think that uniquely Elon Musk, who he is.
He's really the only person in Donald Trump's life who
could push back on him as hard as he's doing today.
And I think you're going to see something productive out

(51:39):
of the whole thing h in the coming weeks. But
this is really meant for Congress to be seeing and
understanding and not feeling all comfortable where they're sitting right now.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Do you know how much I can't wait until I
hear you say Rod was right, because I think this.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Have you not heard our listeners?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
No, I think this relationship has been permanently damaged. And
I don't see any kissy and make the upas you are.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
You know what, you know what I.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Will be.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
I would just say this to our listeners. I mean,
you know, when it comes time for Rod to admit
he's wrong, I will be very I will be very
judicious about it. I'll be very diplomatic. I will not
rub it in I told you so. I will not
say I told you so, but I will be very
nice about it.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
You'll bring in a marching band celebrate this.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I'm telling you, I see the riding on the wall.
All right?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
That does for this hour the Rod and Greig Show.
Congressman Burgess Owens love burchas, he'll be joining us text
on the Rod and Greg Show. Stay with us. So
you never want a Canadian team because even most of
the players in the NHL are from Canada. To win
the Stanley.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Cup because I'm American. Yes, I live in America.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Do you know our next guest won a Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Sure do do you know that?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
And he's American too, and he would for America, and
you know what, he would cheer for America, Right, I don't.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
You can't see that.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You just he's come on, let's find out.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Let's find out, all right, joining us on our any
of our newsmaker line. Our good friend, Congressman Burgess, Owens Burgess,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Thank you, guys. Good American is a great privilege. Thank
you so much for that.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
You are one great American. You're a patriot, and so
you're naturally cheering for the Florida Panthers to win the
Stanley Cup over a Canadian team like the Edmonton Oilers.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
Right, Okay, I wish I knew what you guys could
talking about, but I don't. I don't keep up with
that sport, believe or not so, I'm I'm kind of
in the dark. Hey, it's the American team. I'm all
about America.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, thank you. All right, Burgess, you had a chance
to hear from Education Secretary Linda McMahon the other day
about what's going on. She basically declared, the DEI is over.
What's your take on the job she's doing so far.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Burgess, I am so excited about this phase of all
countries history. Guys, you know, we're realizing when our education
is paramount for our national security and we have people
who care, who care about reternal investment and the returnal investment.
Are good kids who come out excited about their future
and they know how that looks and what it looks like.

(54:12):
So we have we're in a very good place. And
again she is the right person who wants to get
rid of Department Education and realize that the Congress has
to do that eventually. But meanwhile, let's push as much
money back to the parents, back to the district and
let those who can innovate locally teach out kids how
to perform and move forward. This is really this stuff

(54:33):
I've been looking forward for for for so many decades,
to probably be part of its body.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
You know, That's what I was going to ask you.
Do you feel a sense of vindication because before, before
Linda McMahon got on the job, I've heard this from
Congressman Burgess owns. Everything that's in this column, everything, every
point she's making I've heard articulated by our Congressman Burgess owns.
Do you feel vindicated hearing the Secretary of Education make
your case your case to the American people?

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Well, you know, and this is the thing what you're
hearing and why you, guys resonate to us because we
all believe that we love our country. We want our kids,
we want our legacy to be our kids running surfaces
around us. And we know that the educated after to
be powder of who they are, being able to seek
outside the box. Know that we've set high expectations that
are gonna match it. That's what we all believe in.

(55:21):
So what's nice about what we are, guys, is we
have leadership who believes and what we believed in. We
for our history, for our future, and it's put the
right people in that that that carries our values and
have this expectation our kids. So, by the way, guys,
we all know an importance of education. We've all been there.

(55:42):
We know that it takes a hard lot, a lot
of hard work, a lot of steady, a lot of failure.
But once we get it right, we have to really
walk our dreams, which we're all doing right now. So
I'm making very excited about the leadership and just getting ready.
We're gonna have some good, good years ahead of us.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
We're talking with Congressman Burgess Owes. Now, Congressman, let's talk
about what Linda ming mahon, secretary of McMahon said the
other day as well. She talked about accountability and more
local control. How will more local control do you think
change education here in Utah and around the country.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
Well, if you think about where the options are, where
parents and school buses want to do the best job,
and most of the time they need funs to do it.
They asked the DC to send them a little bit
of money, and where that comes these all these mandates. Well,
what about if we get the money and let us
run and run and work with our kids. How about

(56:37):
we lect the school boards and the parents and the
teachers who really care about themselves about how about about
their kids because that's what they do. How about if
we can decide how we want to teach out can
they compete? We get into a process with a competing
not only among ourselves but the other states, and we
can see what statement is doing better. You know who
would winning that process is Utah Utah because it's so competitive.

(56:59):
We want to make sure that number one and anything
you do, we'll find out the best business practices. And
Mike Chelte's are learning those areas. So that's what we
have to get done. So for the first time, we're
bringing the idea of competition of merit into the education system,
which has never been there. So we're in a good
place again, and I think we're going to start to
the results of that in the future.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
You know, I think the tide has turned. You saw
recently an announcement from the school district in San Francisco
that they were going to change their standards for purposes
of equity, and they were going to say eighty percent
in A and twenty four percent could be a C.
They no homework, you could retake his tests as often
as you wanted. They were just and you saw we

(57:43):
saw both Republicans and Democrats in Congress and around the
country condemn the school district for these decisions, and they
pulled them back pretty quickly. Do you sense that kind
of bipoisonship and momentum and in Congress yourself, well, there's.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
No question, but there's not five parties. So let me
just say this. What's going to really keep it this
way is choice. You see these these these elitists, these marketists,
continue to do what they do, they will cool back temporarily.
There's always this undercurrent of trying to help can we
get back to what they truly believe that when we
have choice and parents say, you know what, do it

(58:19):
if that's what you wanna go for, But I'm gonna
take money and get take them someplace, elf, and you
you will lose the money that you have had in
the past, and my child would go to a place
that will really through the very best of them. So competition, merit,
our accountability is what it comes down to. And what's
gonna start seeing, at least doing the term of President
Trump is these institutions are gonna come back to doing

(58:40):
the right case because they know money is on the
line and they're gonna start losing it if they continue
to do it. Go this wote process. So Uh, yes,
it's no question changing. But to make it permanent, give
parents a choice, and that will allow every every school
to either come to the plate and compete where they
go out of business and we take our money.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Congressman is always great chatting with you. We're a big
supporter of school choice. We appreciate your the work you're
doing back there in Washington. Thank you, Congressman.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
Thank you, guys. I appreciate it always.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
All right, that's talk to you. Burgess Owens joining us.
He's a member of the House Education Committee, by the way.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
No, no, he's a he's a leader. I'm telling you.
He's been on this for so long. And he and
he comes from such an authentic place in terms of
his own upbringing and how he grew up, uh, you know,
and in the South, and just the opportunities he didn't
have the opportunities he has. His children do have the difference,
and he's just been he's a stalwart. He's an absolute stalwart.
And he comes from, like I said, a place of

(59:39):
authenticity on education that you can't ignore his message. And
that's why it's great that Linda McMahon and uh, and
that the Trump administration is doing it but they're really
just taking the Burgess Owens playbook and running with it.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah. Did you ever get to where his Super Bowl ring?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I have?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, me too, I'm Warner. I got pictures of it.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Do you big? Yeah? I think I think I don't. Yeah,
I think I've got a picture.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
You got a big finger?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Really? I mean I could have put two fingers in that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I had to hold my hand up so it didn't
fall off.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeh, Burgess, great, great guy. All right, We've got a
lot to come here on the Rodden Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine Knrs. Melissa from
Soundsleep Medical Back taking center stage on the Rod and
Gregg Show today. Always great to have Melissa here because
she educates us about sleeping and getting a good night's sleep.
And one of the issues, of course, has to be snoring.

(01:00:27):
Talk about snoring, how it impacts your sleep and people
who do snore, why do they snore?

Speaker 13 (01:00:33):
Okay, great question, Rod. You know, snoring can impact you
in lots of ways. You and your partner might be
sleeping in separate rooms. You might wake up with, you know,
a sore throat or a morning headache. What people don't
realize is that snoring is much more than an annoying noise.
So even if you're sleeping alone and nobody else hears you,
it's really important to figure out what it is. It's

(01:00:56):
likely a red flag for sleep apnea, and then we need.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
To fix it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
What if sleep apney exactly?

Speaker 13 (01:01:01):
Okay, so sleep apneans and storing actually have to do
with having a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Receive You have been just dying? Oh you have been
for two or three minutes? Yes, because you found something
that just dagger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You know this, when we cover a story in real time,
we have to keep our you know, we just have
to keep our feelers out there. Because we found I
found someone who absolutely agrees with Rod one percent. I'm
gonna play the clip and you'll it'll sound very familiar
to you if you've been listening to the program today.
Then I'll tell you who made this, uh, who shared
these words of wisdom? After I played the clip, have.

Speaker 18 (01:01:38):
A listen any quick reaction on what's going on with
Elon Musk and President Trump on Twitter right now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Oh man, the girls are fighting, aren't they?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
You know?

Speaker 18 (01:01:47):
I would say that this was something that was a
long time coming, where we've been seeing that these two
huge egos were not long for being together in this
world as as as friends, and so I think we're
I think this breakup we've been seeing a long time coming.

(01:02:09):
But we'll see what the impacts are it are of
it legislative.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Folks, Now, let me guess who that is. You want
to go ahead, No, you want to say it, go ahead,
rub it in, rub it in. I'll leave it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Ladies and gentlemen, Yes, we I want you to know
that what you just heard, that that opinion of what
you've heard from Rod Arquette is the opinion of AOC.
So you and AOC are soulmates.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
You're basically because exactly doesn't mean we're soulmates.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
So what I know about Rod today is that he
and AOC see the world the same. And you love
Canada more than America. That's the two things. That's it.
That's all I know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
That's all I know. Do you stretch things?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Both are the case?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Said? I love Canada more than the United States? Do
you want every.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Want Canada to beat America in this stamp?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yep, Because I think it's time a Canadian team, which
by the way, invented the game, have a chance to
get a championship here in nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
This country of Canada that's greater than America.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
That's right, I know know, And you you found that
on AOC you just loved that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
That was breaking news. I had to share with the
listeners that she agrees with roderar Kat. The only thing
missing from that clip was I agree with Rodarquette in Utah.
That's it. Other than that, it's everything you've said today,
everything I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Want on you. But I let me put it this way.
I think it is a clash of the egos, and
I don't think Elon and Trump will patch it up.
I don't see it, absolutely will. I don't see it happening. Well,
we've been taking calls today in comments on our talk
back line, and we've got another great comment from a great,
great listener out there who wanted to share his opinion

(01:03:49):
about this dispute between Greg and I.

Speaker 19 (01:03:52):
An over the road trucker and a new Utah resident.
I listen every day everywhere, and you teach me a
lot about my new home state. My brother in law
remarried the same woman after each of two divorces. So
I think Trump and Musk will patch it up and
their relationship will be historic. Oh and as a Green
Bay Packer fan, I have to wish the Pittsburgh Steelers

(01:04:14):
lots of luck with their new old quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Love you guys, I love the listener. I'm not as
excited about Rogers. I gotta tell you. I was ready
to ride with Mason Rudolph. But yeah, I guess he's
coming to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Old Well, they're indications that he that he may be coming. Yeah,
we'll have to wait and see. All right, let's go.
We've got phone calls as well. Eighty eight to eight
five seven o eight zero one, Gerald eighty eight five
seven o eight zero one, Gerald, of the phones. We go.
Lat's start with David Ogden tonight on the Rod in
Greg Show.

Speaker 14 (01:04:44):
Hi, Dave, Hi, Hey, I just wanted to make the
point that defend Rod a little bit and say that
the Epstein allegation is pretty serious. I don't know if
a friend accused me of that, if I would want
to continue the friendship.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, you know that that is that's stuff, man, you know,
it's a it's it's one that you can Yeah, and
I agree. I think it's I think it's cutting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
That and the election comment that he couldn't have won
without him. I think those are very right close to
the heart.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Look, I think the Epstein one is is a bit
of a low blow. It's and it's and it's laughable
because you know that the DJ and with Biden would
have redacted everything in the list but his name if
they could have done that to him, and they would
have done it to him. But that that is and
I think I think Elon Musk, but again it's almost facetious.
It's so outlandish what he said, so it's almost But anyway,

(01:05:38):
I think, I I know that's a tough one, but
I don't think that that's any signal that this is
a true real fight. I think this one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
When someone hits somebody with a low blow, they.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Give yeah, well yeah they can't. They give warning, right,
it will give you a warning first.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Second time, what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
You lose a point, You lose a point, you lose
a point.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I think he lost a lot of points today.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Well clearly with you. And I think I think, no,
he's they're gonna they're gonna come back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And I think his popularity among Trump supporters will reach
a new load today because of this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I think we're gonna see. I think we see through this.
What we hope is that Congress is paying close attention
because I do think that Elon Musk is serious as
a heart attack about he wants to see Congress couple
and I think he is. I think this shot has meant.
I mean, they've been enjoying political cover from the President.
He's told he made his point to the Congress by saying,

(01:06:33):
I'm not afraid of this president. You should be afraid
of me. That's what he's saying. That's what he's telling.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Are you saying Elon Musk is more powerful than Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
No, he's just trying to say he's not gonna give
you enough political cover to overcome me, because I'm telling
you you need to cut more. And I'm telling you
that's that's that's the plan. That's that's the plan as
it is. And if they cut more, Trump's not gonna
oppose it. He's gonna He's gonna praise it as an
even better bill.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah, and we'll see. I don't think they'll patch it up.
But my opinion, all right, when we come back and
me and AOC, yes, thank you. A couple of major
rulings by the Supremes today. We'll get into that coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio
one O five to nine KNRS.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I golf by myself and I you know what, I'm
learning how to do that, and I don't even mind it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Golf on your mind. When you're golfing by yourself, you're
the greatest golfer on earth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Well, yeah, because you know I can do what take on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Sheet Mulligan after mulligan. Yes, all right, let's talk about
something a bit more serious. Let's talk about the Supreme
Court unanimously today a bit of a surprise, ruled in
favor of a straight woman who twice, not once, but
twice lost positions to gay workers, saying an appeals court
had been wrong to require her to meet a higher burden. Well,
what does all of that mean? And where are we

(01:07:44):
going from here? Joining us on our any hour newsmaker line,
our good friend William Jacobson, founder of Legal Insurrection. William,
how are you welcome back to the Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 20 (01:07:53):
Good, Thank you for having me back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Will We talked about this just a couple of weeks ago.
The Supreme Court came out with the ruling, but there
was in favor of this woman. Were you surprised by
the nine nothing ruling?

Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
Not?

Speaker 20 (01:08:07):
After listening to the oral argument in the case before
the Supreme Court, it was pretty clear. And we try
not to make predictions judges they're going to rule, but
this one was clear. I mean, it was obvious from
the bench that they were not buying the argument that
a majority plaintiffs. So in this case, a heterosexual woman

(01:08:30):
has a higher burden of proof than a non majority plaintiff,
and think of it in the race situation. In other situations,
they said, you know, the statute bars discrimination on the
basis of sex, that would include you know, sexual orientation
the way the courts interpreted it, and you know, it
doesn't say that majority minority. This is something judges made

(01:08:53):
up and they said nope, And it was very obvious
during the oral argument that that's how they were going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
So it doesn't decide the case. It just says that
a reverse discrimination case has standing. So I guess that
goes back to the court that said that what did
not they the plaintif did not have standing, is that
the process that goes from here. So we just don't
have an answer yet whether she's actually if her case
will be successful.

Speaker 20 (01:09:21):
Right, So this did not decide that she was discriminated against.
What it says is the court, the lower court improperly
threw out her case because they improperly required her to
meet this extra burden, and the burden was, where you're
a majority, you have to prove that the employer has

(01:09:43):
a history of discriminating against the majority, and she couldn't
prove that, and therefore they threw it out. So this
now goes back to the trial court, which is the
federal district court, and she will proceed until you to
prove that she was discriminated against her. She won't, but
you won't have to prove an employer policy or an

(01:10:05):
employer practice of doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
William, There's always been this general thinking around the country.
I think that only minority groups can be victims of discrimination.
Does this basically kill that thinking?

Speaker 20 (01:10:19):
Yes, I mean that was wrong thinking anybody, but that
the statutes, you know, and I say this all the time.
You know, because we bring a lot of legal challenges
against educational programs that discriminate against white students and Asian students.
The discrimination laws bar discrimination on the basis of race,
not one race or another race. And it's the same

(01:10:42):
with sex. They bar discrimination on the basis of sex,
not one sex or another sex, or one sexual orientation,
but not another. And so these are rules that were
made up by judges. And in fact Justice Thomas wrote
a concurring opinion, so he agreed with the result, but
he wanted to get his own thoughts in there, and

(01:11:04):
he said, you know, we have to stop this practice
of judges making stuff up that's not in the statute,
that's not in the laws, and he wrote, he wrote
a much lengthier concurring opinion than just as Jackson wrote
as the majority. I don't know if this is the
first time she's issued a unanimous opinion, but it wasn't

(01:11:25):
very long and it was a simple case.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
So I don't know how this works, but I would
imagine that if you had a court that that made
this ruling and they just got slapped down or they
got told by the Supreme Court they were wrong, they
have to consider it. Does that does that color the
case coming back? Is it jaded at all? Even if
the Supreme Court tells him they have to now consider it. Clearly,
they didn't want to consider it. Clearly, They felt like

(01:11:49):
it didn't have standing. Now the Supreme Court says it does.
But are the odds against the plant just because they've
been told the Court's been told they were wrong?

Speaker 20 (01:11:59):
I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
I think that the.

Speaker 20 (01:12:03):
Judge in the district court made a decision that was
consistent with the appeals courts prior rulings. It was consistent
with the law that was you know in that circuit.
There eleven circuits in the US, actually twelve, and so
the judge did what the judge thought the law required.

(01:12:23):
And basically what the Supreme Court said is the judge
may have done what the law required, but that law
was wrong, as you know, interpreted by the court. So
they didn't really slap down this judge. This judge did
what was expected, but what was expected was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
William, How much higher was the bar for this woman
to make versus of it had been filed by a minority?
I mean, the argument was the bar is much higher
for majorities than it is minorities. How much higher was
the bar?

Speaker 20 (01:12:54):
Well, it was higher because you had to prove, as
a majority plaintiff that your employer has a history of
discriminating against the majority. Now, how are you going to
prove that how are you going to prove that you
don't have access to records? You don't have any of
those things.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
So it was a.

Speaker 20 (01:13:11):
Pretty high bar, you know, that nobody else would have
to prove just to start the case.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, so I guess I would hope that reverse discrimination
is discrimination. I would hope that they would the planet
would see success. Now that the Supreme Court has paved
the way. Are you in a position to handicap that case,
just specifically that case, now that this hurdle has been overcome.

Speaker 20 (01:13:36):
No, I can't, because that's very fact specific. I mean,
that's going to be who was hired in place of her.
I mean, her allegation was that twice she was discriminated against,
and that it was you know, essentially anti heterosexual discrimination
in that department of the Ohio government. I don't know,

(01:13:58):
you know, if the person who replaced her with justice qualified,
she alleges that person was unqualified. You know, So I
don't know. Those are facts that I can't really judge.
But at least you'll get a fair shot at it
and not have to go in you know, you know,
already starting behind.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I think that's all people are asking for, is a
fair shot William. As always, we appreciate your insight into
this explaining what's going on, the significance of this. There's
some still a lot more important rulings coming from the
Supremes before the end of the month, so I imagine
we'll be talking again, William, Thank you.

Speaker 20 (01:14:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
All right on our newsbacker line, that's William Jacobson. William
is with Legal Insurrection. Great website if you want to
check it out. But this is an important ruling, Greg,
I mean this and the fact that it was a
unanimous decision nine nine nothing ruling by the court rarely.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Happens, you know, it is shocking, and especially when it
has something to do with the dentity politics. When you
talk about it, I dentity politics, you don't get a
more partisan even judicial atmosphere. And for that to be
nine to nothing is I think is astounding. And I'm glad.
I'm glad that reverse discrimination is this is discrimination because.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
It is it is. All right, Mary, coming up, final segment,
Rod and Greg with you right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one O five nine k n RS.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I think this show really is all about our listeners,
and here in Utah, we're the Utah Show. And so
getting the perspective and I love hearing the different lives
that people are living in their perspectives are sharing. I
just think that it makes the show. It makes the show. Yeah, well,
thank you, folks. You know there are a few other
shows out there. They're attempting to be temp talk shows
but not doing very good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Job at it. But you know, we're a conservative talk station.
We're proud of our conservatives, absolutely proud of the values
that we believe in, and we share those values with
our listeners and fortunately a lot of listeners agree with us.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
We agree with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Well, we I try. Look, we try me and the listeners.
We bring you along road. We love you, we do.
We just bring you along baby steps. It's just baby steps.
You'll be there. Thank you, well forgot you gotta get
you gotta get this Canadian obsession out of your mind.
But we will. You'll get there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Are your good lessa Shall we take him innute and
just talk about poor Correne Jean Pierre. This woman, she's
had a bad twenty four to forty eight hours.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yeah, she's not getting treated like Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson,
as is she.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Former white House Press secretary for Joe Biden. She announced
in a new book that she's leaving the Democratic Party,
she's going to be an independent, and that in this
new book she will talk about a broken White House.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Well, I have to see how that rings out now.
Peter Doocy, Fox News correspondent who covered the Biden years
had confrontations with her, shared his thoughts today about her
book and her decisions.

Speaker 21 (01:16:42):
The thing about this book is that she, towards the end,
after before Biden dropped out, after Biden dropped out, she
would say that legitimate questions were misinformation. And I told
her once, you can't just call something that you don't
like miss in information. And so I don't know how

(01:17:03):
she is going to square being the public faith of
saying things that we now know we're not true about
the president and about policies.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I don't know how she's now going to.

Speaker 21 (01:17:14):
Come out and say, you know what, just because I
swore on camera that things were okay, actually here's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
What was really going on. Yeah. Yeah, you know, she
bald fades lie in front of every American out there,
and now she's saying, believe me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Well, you know, Stephen A. Smith had an observation, and
he said, it's one thing if she was still under
the employ of the White House. She went on the
View a couple of months ago after she had been
not been employed at the White House anymore, she was
not working for Biden, and she didn't have a word
to say about any of this. And he and you
know he's no Republican, he was especially critical of that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Here's Scott Jennings on CNN last night.

Speaker 22 (01:17:54):
I would argue that it's pretty disloyal to leave the
political party that you know gave you your biggest career
shot that you've ever had. But I tend to agree
with you. I mean, I think the things we've learned
in the last two years is that the two least
credible sources of information in this world are the gods
of Health Ministry and Karine Jean Pierre. And when she
puts this book out, every single person who reads it,

(01:18:14):
reviews it, or discusses it needs to remember that virtually
everything she said about what was going on behind the
scenes in the White House was an outright lie. And
so when she puts a book out, I think we
ought to treat it from a source that has a
proven track record of line from the podium of the
White House to the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
American you know, and I read today Democrats are greg
They're huming. Oh the Democrats are yet her, I mean,
and Scott made a very good point. I mean, look
what Joe Biden. Nobody knew who Carange Jean Pierre was
before Donald or before Joe Biden made her White House
Press secretary. Look what he has done or had done
for his career, and what she do now spit in

(01:18:52):
his face.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Well, they're now saying that no one in the White
House had to be more handled themselves than her, That
she didn't know how to direct the staff, she didn't
know how to be prepared for the briefings, that that
she was high, high maintenance for them, and and to
have her now turning on them, they feel betrayed. They're all,
you know, I think they're all just a nest of

(01:19:14):
snakes as far as I'm concerned. I don't know where
one live ends and the next one starts. But all
of them are just pathetic. And that's a book where
I'm never buying. I'm never actually was. I think there
was a guy on Axios today, So she's just dumb.
You can tell well, her binder was so big and
she literally had they had thoughts on it. She had
to pull it open and just read the pages, you know,

(01:19:38):
so they would know what they had all they knew
the questions that were coming, so they would just prepare
the answers for her. She didn't know how to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
And look at Caroline Levitt today, I mean, you know
she has sometimes she'll look and say, let me check
on this, which is very natural to do, but how often,
because she so believed in Donald Trump and what this
administration is trying to do, she just stares for it
them says here, here, here's the president's position.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I think she's one of the I think she's the
youngest press secretary and she is doing a phenomenal job.
She holds court and nobody's messing with her. I mean
she has the respect I think of the of the
press pool. For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Yeah, she'll challenge him, that's for sure. All Right, The
Jesse Kelly Show coming your way following our news update
at the top. They are I believe Jesse is still
on vacation. Got a great villain host tonight Jesse Kelly
Show from seven to ten Right here on Utah's talk
radio one oh five nine. Can Arrest will be back
tomorrow with thank Rotting Gregis Friday. Well have so we
always have fun. We'll come up with something crazy, ridiculous. Yep,

(01:20:37):
we'll have fun with it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
It's always fun.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Yeah, to head up Children's back man, God bless you
and your family, and then it's great KNT you have
our Thank you so much for joining us today. We're
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