The Rod and Greg Show: E-Verify Mandate Would Help Fix Immigration Issues; Falling Birth Rates Could Signal American Collapse

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a full on attack against Elon Musk. Now, I
actually think that's fine. He can be the tip of
the spear. He's not elected, he's he has three hundred
and forty billion dollars in net. Worse, you can't really
touch him. So if that's where you want to spend
your time. But I'll tell you, folks, if you know
anyone we talked about this yesterday. But if you know
anyone saying, well, I think that Elon Musk might be

(00:21):
a liability, then you are buying in to the Tesla takedown. Yeah,
astro turf, elitist attack on this man, that's what you're
you're buying into it if you if you let anyone
convince you, if you if liking Elon Musker, supporting what
he's doing is getting you scared, or if you know
when someone that's getting scared, you smack him out of it. Okay,
because he's a hero.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
He is a hero. By the way, I just notice this.
We're getting it. Many of you are getting this on
your phone and Amber alert. This is a test, folks.
So just they announced yesterday or a couple of days ago,
they were going to be doing a state wide test
on the Amber alert, and that's what they're doing right now.
So if you've got it on the your phone, don't panic.
If you read into it, it says this is a test.

(01:04):
So I just want to settle people down on that,
all right. We have got a lot to get to
today before we forget what you got to.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, if it's a test, they even give you a
car and a color that I thought I did.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
The first child stands, this, weighs this and its name
is a test.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
But it gave a car. When people start looking.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
For that car, this is a test.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Read it I did.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, you were smarter than that.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Suspect is test. Test could be you know, that could
be a name you don't know. You better pray that
this this person is not. Her name is not This
person's name is not test.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It is a test.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Victim is test.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
The first suspect identified as test. The victim identified as
test identified his test.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, it just says non family abduction, says White Honda Civic.
Good luck on that way. All the people the White
Honda Civics run. Did the audience hear you?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, No, they didn't hear him.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
They didn't hear them all.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
No, he said that, you know, it's a test when
they think about anyone's driving a white.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Specific That's true. That's true. Well, shall we get to
the business at hand.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Let's go all right, I'm locked and loaded.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
We have got uh Thomas Rhet tickets to give away
still today those, yeah, they'll be coming up a little
bit later on. Today we're all talking about immigration. We're
all talk with a Utah ranger. Many of you know him.
He's a great, great guy. Going to talk about, you know,
the tariffs and how it's going to affect maybe the
capital industry here in the state of Utah. A little
bit later on. Greg really went off on this one

(02:54):
the other day about proxy and voting in the House
of Representatives in the nation's capital. There are a couple
of Republican lawmakers who want to change that. We'll get
into that, and we'll talk about fixing the demographic doom loop.
We are getting older, we are not having as many
as children as we used to have, and it could
have an impact on us like it has had on Europe.

(03:14):
We'll talk about that a little bit later on in
the show. So a lot to get to today. As
we mentioned, each and every day we invite you to
be a part of the program. All you do is
have to pick up the phone and dial eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Ron,
are you still looking at that Amber alert?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh, I thought you were looking at trying to figure
out why you No, that is an idiot In fact,
the test.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, there's a clip. I really wanted listeners to hear that.
But you have part of it, so we're good.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, let's talk about the tariffs.
The stock market way way down today. My suggestion is,
do not look at your four oh one K. I
wouldn't look at it for a few days. Okay, it'll
be fine. But you know, the president seems very confident
that they you know, he's asking Americans to bear a
little bit of short term pain because he feels in

(04:06):
the long run it will be stronger. You know. I
saw a headline today. I read this too year earlier.
Greg headline today, Reagan thought or fought for peace through strength.
Right yep. Donald Trump is fighting for prosperity through strength.
That's what he believes in, and I believe him as well.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I do too. And look, I honestly, the people that
live and die by the stock market. When we were
in the Biden administration, they didn't care that the inflation
had gone up seven percent. They didn't care that your gasoline,
the cost to fill your tank was so prohibitive. They
didn't care about the cost of groceries. They didn't care
about the housing and the cost of housing and the
prohibitive cost or lack of They kept telling us we

(04:48):
had money dysmorphia if we didn't know how good we
had it because the stock market was doing well. These
are the same people that said, like Thomas Friedman from
the Times, so called economist, if you think you're in
bad economic times, it's just because you aren't smart enough
to understand how just how good we have it when
we didn't. So when they're little universe, if they who

(05:10):
live and die by that stock market, you and I
we were going to be living by our grocery bill,
our gas bill, are to fill our car with gasoline,
our energy costs, our housing costs. And I will tell you,
I truly believe the Democrats and Biden wouldn't even acknowledge.
They would not even acknowledge when prices went absolutely through
the roofs. They they said, it's transitory, it's good, and

(05:32):
you don't know about it. You don't understand, you're just dumb.
They wouldn't even acknowledge it. We talk about the rising
price of everything and the stock market, and we we
create this this you know, almost like a funeral before
any of it happens, which you know, we're trying to say, okay,
things could go up. I believe that this world, this country,
these countries that have been trading, was zero tariffs coming

(05:55):
into this country, which we've we've been buying the whole
world's everything and we haven't been able to sell anything
to anybody else. They are going to change that. They
are going to make deals and they're going to have
reciprocal trade agreements and tariffs that are that are even
in fair street, two way street. We can send to
you and you can come bring your stuff to us.
That's fair for both sides. Those agreements, I think are

(06:18):
going to get hammered out very quickly, and you're going
to see this economy get stronger. What is good about
this country that's one hundred percent dependent on all imports,
can make nothing, medicine, you name it, there's nothing. We
make almost nothing, and then so we make nothing, and uh,
we're not allowed if we happen to make it. We

(06:39):
were not allowed to go into those countries. And then
we've just watched this whole country and it's company, its
factories be hollowed out, losing jobs everywhere.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
And I've got some numbers for you on that. It's
sing Breddent on Air Force One asked about it today.
He said this, Greg, He said, look it. The patient
meeting the United States of America is very, very sick.
I think we would all agree. Financially, yes, we're in
direst thirty six. Try put out something you just met.
Ninety thousand plants in America, manufacturing plants in America have

(07:08):
closed since NAFTA. Do you think we've got a problem here?
You know, one point five trillion dollars in this country
today is controlled by eight people, eight people, you know
where it's the middle class in all of this.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know what I heard a leftist democrat or either
a leftist democrat or just someone who's completely ignorant. They
said to me, who's going to work in those facts? Well,
if you don't know, okay, because you didn't grow up
where there were factories. I have family that worked in factories.
I lived in a community that had a lot of factories.

(07:42):
They don't anymore. By the way, I know plenty of
people that will work in factories. I know plenty of
people that have made a living, that fed a family,
made a mortgage working working in factories. Oh, the factories.
What do we so we're so elitists now that we
can't imagine our hitting the floor of a of a factory,
roll a factory. No, who would we have do such work?

(08:07):
What elitism or ignorance or both?

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, I think everyone's trying to analyze this and what's
going on here, and I think the best one I
heard today was from journalist and author Botia Hunger Sargun.
We've had her on the show before. She admitted once
that she gave in to Trump derangement syndrome. Okay, but
she's seen the light right. Well, she was on with
Piers Morgan and a couple other libs yesterday analyzing this

(08:30):
and listen to what she has to say, because I
think she's spot on.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
But I find so frustrating about the conversation around tariffs
is that we all agree on the problem.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
We all agree that.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
The de industrialization of America led to the downward mobility
of the American working class, deaths of despair, people working
multiple jobs and not being able to afford the American dream.
We all agree that it is deeply unfair for the
American middle class to be bearing the burn of unfair
tariffs from other countries.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
We all agree that.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
It is great for the president to have leverage in
order to demand reasonable things like that country stop allowing
fentanyl to murder one hundred thousand Americans every year, and
that Mexico do its part to police its own border.
And yet when somebody has the courage to show up
and stay at Wall Street, screw you.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I am waging war.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
I'm waging class warfare on behalf of the American working class.
And you elites and Wall Street, you do what you
need to do, because I'm not going to stop fighting
for the American working class. Suddenly everybody is sitting around going,
oh no, the stock market, Yeah, the stock market looks
like that because the rich are punishing Trump.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
You know what's so interesting about all of that. You
could run the same kind of sound bite Greg with
any American talking about what doze is all about an
Elon musk. We all agree government is big. We all
agree there's wasting government. We all agree there's government. But
if someone steps up and try and do anything about it,
they're what attacked. Same thing happening now. We all agree that,

(10:07):
you know, the country financially is in horrible straight our
what's our deficit?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Thirty thirty six trillion dollars running a two trillion dollar
deficit a year, with a trillion of that being interest
paid on the debt of thirty six trillion.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
We all agree middle class America is suffering ninety thousand
plans closed since NAFTA. I mean, I mean, just think
about those numbers. So I think she would spot on today,
and I think she's right. We all agree that the
country is a sick patient. Yes, well, most Americans they
don't want to kiss the face of reality. And that's
exactly what Donald Trump did yesterday. In my opinion, Oh,

(10:42):
it's going to be uncomfortable, folks.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Can We've lived through worse than uncomfortable the Biden years.
We got we got worked. We have the muscles for
this because we weren't even a good trade. We weren't
fighting back in a trade where we had all these
problems with cost prices going up. We're going to see
something better out of this this time, and we're not
gonna it's not even going to go up as much
as it did with Biden.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Now we are hey man, here we come, folks. All right,
we'll talk more about this throughout the show. Today. You're
listening to you Toad's Talk Radio one O five to
nine knrs. There's so many stories going on. Of course,
the big news of the last twenty four hours has
been the terroriffs announced by the President. But one issue
that I think Greg has almost fallen off the news
map is what the administration has done on the border.

(11:22):
No one's crossing it anymore.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, no new laws, no, no news. It didn't take
Remember set the Senate that Trump helped kill a bill
in the Senate that was so critical to actually get
this under control. Yeah, that bill was a nightmare. It
would have sent every protest to that same district court
in DC where they all want to be president of
the United States. Every one of them is a liberal judge.
And that was literally in the Senate bill that some

(11:45):
Republicans actually got behind. That bill was an absolute desire
it actually allowed for up to six to eight thousand
people to cross illegally without a day, without ever being illegal.
It was making that legal. You didn't have to do that,
and now you don't have anyone crossing enforce the laws.
Imagine that.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, is there a trick out there that could lead
to illegal immigrants self deporting? That's a possibility. According to
our next guest, his name is Spencer Lindquist. He's an
investigative reporter of the Daily Wire. He's been looking into this. Spencer,
how are you welcome to the Rodding Greg Show. Thanks
for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Doing great, Thank you very much for having me. You're
right there certainly is a trick.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
What is the trick then, Spencer, fill us in.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
The trick is simple and that's been tried in over
twenty states throughout the country. It's called Everify. It's a
free programs from the Department of Homeland Security. And really
what it does is that it simply ensures that corporations
and job applicants are following federal labor law, that they're
actually authorized to work at the companies that are trying
to hire them. This is a program that again is free.

(12:53):
It's created by the Department of Homeland Security, and it's
been tried in over twenty states. This is something that
experts say could drastically reduce the illegal alien population within
the interior of the country. Right now, we've seen a
really precipitous decline in the number of illegals crossed in
the southern border. But a recent estimate for the Federation
for American Immigration Reform says that there are eighteen point

(13:14):
six million illegal aliens president in the United States, which
is more than the individual populations of forty six out
of fifty states. It's about five times the population of Utah.
So there are other measures, like you verified, that could
get them to self deport rather than simply relying on
ice to find, locate, detain, and deport millions upon millions

(13:35):
of people.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
So we had a I'm a recovering public servant. I
served in our state legislature as a representative. We passed
this bill a number of years ago, requiring e verify
for businesses I think over ten or twenty five employees
or something like that, and we also in terms of
it also identifying those that aren't here illegally. It was
also a way to prevent identity theft, and we were

(13:57):
having a big issue with identity theft happening amongst Utah's. Well,
fast forward to just a number of years ago, a
bill passed to repeal all of that, or only required
of those employers of two hundred or some large number.
That would only really impact a number of large businesses
in Utah. And the argument was twofold one. We don't

(14:18):
have any identity theft anymore, so why would we need
this bill? See, it doesn't exist, there's no identity theft,
so you don't have to protect against it. Second e,
Verify is highly unreliable and when you use it, there
are a lot of people that are here legally that
are misidentified by everify. Sadly, I wasn't This is why
our legislature can't have nice things. I wasn't there. So

(14:40):
they passed that nightmare bill. But what would you say
to those critics that we don't have any identity theft,
so why have everify? And if you use verify, it's
highly susceptible to being inaccurate.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well, it's funny.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
If you had a problem with identity theft, suddenly that
problem goes away after implementing you verify it and then
people step in say we actually don't need you verify.
You know, the chronology there seems to imply that the
implementation and e verify had something to do with that
decline and identity staff. But even even just yesterday, we
saw that there were thirty seven illegal aliens who were

(15:15):
arrested at a roofing company in Washington State, actually very
close to the Canadian border. And these were individuals who
I said were using false documents. They had falsified documents
in order to gain employment at this roofing company. We've
seen a recent arrest in the Rio Grande Valley for
individuals who were illegally hired for a bakery. The actual
business owners of that establishment were also arrested as well.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
They allegedly knew.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
That the employees were illegal, knew they were illegally in
the country, and harbored them anyways, according to ICE. So
this is something that certainly is still an issue and
really to underscore that, you know, the individuals. I've spoken
to Mark Koran at the Center for Immigration Studies Iram
Meleman at the Federation for American Immigration Reform. They say
the single biggest drive of mass illegal immigration is people

(16:02):
who are coming here and oftentimes are trying to work
in the United States, send their money, perhaps back to
their home country.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
If you shut down that.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Incentive, if you unecap the financial incentive, you can stop
the incentive, the incentives for legal immigration before they even
get here, and for those that are already here, you
can really ncap the financial infrastructure that has allowed millions
upon millions upon millions of people to illegally reside in
this country.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Especial you mentioned there are twenty states that have everify.
How strong are they in enforcing everify? I mean, are
all states really pushing this hard? Do they do it occasionally?
How strong is the enforcement of everifying in the states
that you mentioned?

Speaker 5 (16:41):
It really differs on a state by state basis. So
in a state like Tennessee, there is a law, an
Everify law that mandates that companies with thirty five employees
or more I use everify. In states like Texas, there
isn't any verify law for companies writ large, but it's
specifically for public contractors, for individual working government roles, and

(17:01):
also for certain public universities as well. So really the
extent of these laws differs, but I will say that
one of the benefits of you verified that's been identified
in some studies is that once you have this in place,
it serves as an incentive for illegal aliens to leave
your state. Arizona has one of the strongest everify laws,

(17:23):
one of the most wide reaching EVERIFY laws. It's something
that the federal government could use to model a national
bill after. And there are actually studies that found illegal
aliens left, individuals who were suspected to be illegal aliens
left the state altogether. So at that point there wasn't
even any enforcement really that was needed, at least not
at the same extent. And they saw that wages rose

(17:44):
for American workers American citizens who are competing with illegal
aliens for jobs.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Sounds like a simple solution, doesn't it. Spencer, thank you
as always, We appreciate a few minutes your time and
looking into this story. Thank you, likewise, thank you for
having us Spencer Lindquist, investigative reporter for The Daily Wire,
taking a look at e Verified. More coming up on
the Thursday afternoon edition of The Rod and Greg Show.

(18:09):
This column up ed peets in the UH think it
was a Wall Street journal about the fact that Elon
Musk and Donald Trump have a founder's mindset, like Elon
Musk and Donald Trump in many ways because they founded
their companies. Okay, they have this mindset. They know what
the mission is, they want people to hire. And the
one thing they're always willing to take risks. It may win,

(18:33):
it may lose, but they aren't afraid to take risk.
And I think Donald Trump in launching whatever he launched yesterday,
is taking a risk, but he's willing to accept that.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well, it's I think it's a risk. And we talked
about this also in the program to be one hundred
percent dependent on the imports of every other nation. Where
you're not making your own medicine, you're not making anything,
you're not allowed to actually export the goods that you have.
That's a risk as well. There is a risk to
this country, and it's trajectory if you keep that status quo.
So it's it's one or the other. We saw a

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stat and this is why I can't wait to talk
to our next guest. It blew my mind in that
in Australia, of which is a country in which I
lived for a couple of years, you aren't the United States,
and it's our ranchers aren't allowed to sell a t
bone one steak. They couldn't go there and sell a
single tea bone to the country of Australia. But Australia
sends thirty nine billion dollars of beef into the United States,

(19:27):
where we have great ranchers doing a great job. But
you know they're not. It's not like that. They they're
out of options of where they'd like to sell. So
joining us on the program is my former colleague, Cowboy
Mike Noel. Former Representative Mike Noel served in the House,
represents with me and is a rancher down there in
Kane County. I've seen these his cattle. They're all they

(19:49):
do is want rod. They just want He has to
feed them constantly. He has to wake up early in
case the water froze so he could break it up.
They're very needy that his cattle. Cattle generally are serves
Mike Noel, How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
I'm good, drag and Rob, good to be on your show.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
So tell me about this we do you think there's
potential for ranchers to sell their beef and the beef
that we have in the United States to other nations.
As those nations have successfully been able to sell their
beef into our country, should that be a two way street.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Absolutely, there's no question about it. And you know, I've
traveled a lot of places in the world, and I
don't think there's any better beef than you can get
in the United States. Of course, I'm a cow calf operation,
so I raise mother cows and then we sell the
calves every fall. The steers they write about six hundred

(20:46):
and seventy five pounds, and then their background and they
get up to around twelve hundred pounds when they finish
them out. So these would be really good corn fed beef.
I know a lot of people like the grass fed beef.
Really corn fed beef is probably the premium of all beef.
And you know I love ribbis. That's my best steak,

(21:08):
my favorite steak, and that's the one you have to
drive because it's the rancher steak. So I'm happy about it.
I don't know if you know it, but cattle prices
for calves and backgrounders are the highest they've ever been
in history right now, So something good is happening. That
are when I used to get when I first got

(21:29):
in this business. Forty two years ago, I had three
hundred dollars for six hundred pound calf. It's now two thousand,
two hundred dollars today.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Wow, it's amazing, Mike. By the way, you're making us
hungry when you're talking about rabbizz and t bones, all
those good steaks. Mike, Mike, let me ask you. You
talk to ranchers all the time. People are in the
business like you are. These tariffs, they've been talked about
by the President for quite some time. Generally, what's the
feeling among ranchers. How would you assess it, Mike?

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Right now, I think, well, the NCB National Beef Association,
they're pretty supportive of it, mainly because of the fact
that that's a big market and we're getting beef coming
in from Like Greg said, Australia, they literally won't take
any of our beef. China, the same way India, South Korea.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
They all have.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Tariffs on it. And I know that our beef is
better than there, but it's a strange deal. I think
we can open it up, and I think it is
going to open up. But right now, with the demand
for beef that it is, we're in pretty good shape.
As cow caf operators, we really are.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Tom, Tom, talk to me about process So what I heard,
Mike is that there's been a consolidation of meat processors
and we've seen a lot of companies that have gone
and have become multinational companies. That has made those that
would even be willing to buy your cattle fewer of them,
and they they have a little bit more control over

(23:02):
over the pricing of it. I got to believe that
if it's if Australia is going to start seeing some
tariffs by bringing in their beef and making a little
more pricey, that you're going to be You're going to
sit at a very good place of not only just
domestically and selling beef here compared to competitors from other countries,
but that hopefully that these countries will maybe lower their

(23:22):
tariffs to maybe get to that reciprocal agreement that President
Trump's after and give you those opportunities to send the
better beef to the other parts of the of the country.
Talk about do we have do we have an adequate
supply chain in this country where we can feed ourselves
and have enough demand domestically? Uh, what's that? What's that
landscape look?

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Like right right now, Greg, and I, you know, I've
looked a lot of just I can't figure why the
prices are high. You guys all go to the grocery
store and you'd see especially the expensive choice and prime
cuts that are very expensive. I think that's a indicative
of that we don't have enough beef right now, that
we don't have enough cattle on the range, even though

(24:06):
the cow herds down significantly, But that's a little bit
that's a little bit not correct in terms of the
amount of beef, because calves are much much bigger than
they were, you know, thirty years ago. The hybrid vigor
such as has got them bigger. But definitely, I think
there's a market out there. And I think one of
the biggest concerns that other countries have is once the

(24:30):
consumer tastes American beef, taste the corn fed beef or
even a grass fed beef, they're going to go, Wow,
this is so much better. I mean the cross breeding
all of the exotics that they brought in from other
countries to get your hybrid vigor. That means they bring
in cattle from Charlotte cattle and cross them with Herford cattle,

(24:52):
and you get a bigger calf. And they do the
same with other breeds, so any lots of different kinds
of bulls out there. There's no question in my mind
that the American cattleman, the American cowboy, is the best
operator and is looking out for the very, very best

(25:12):
quality product for the consumer. I see that in the
bull sales. The bull sales are amazing. I mean a
bull impacts thirty to forty animals, or cow just impacts one.
So if you can get a bull that's the top
quality bull and the prime and the location, I mean
the meat is more prime, more marble beef, then you've

(25:33):
got a product that you can sell. A lot of
people are now selling beef directly from the farm to
the consumer. We've seen that down here and it's a
big deal. Right now. They've gone in and you can
buy packaged meat. You can buy a quarter of a
quarter or a half of beef and it's a big deal.

(25:54):
So I think that's going to happen more farm to consumer.
You're going to see that, especially with Kennedy in there.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
You know he's a he's a big he's a big
supporter of beef because the thing about beef is this
a beat? A cow has four three stomachs. It can
go in, It can take the things that it eats,
and it can create a product in its meat that
you can't get any other way. It can break down
the plant food and make it more uh palatable and

(26:25):
better to eat, and you get better vitamins out of this.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You're ruining, Mike. You're ruining my whole steak dinner with
this talk of three stomachs and making stuff we can't
make elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, Mike, we sure are we sure to appreciate yours
here in the state of Utah. Mike, we sure do
appreciate you. And anytime you have any leftover steaks, just
send them up our way. We'll certainly take care of it.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Can you guys come on down and I'll fix you
the best rib by steak you've ever had, or try
tip whatever you d bring your families, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I own a steakdouse, I own a steakhouse.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Absolutely, show live from Steakhouse in County.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
We're coming all right, Mike. Thank you. Al it's great
to have Mike on the show. And he does understand
the cattle business.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Interesting doesn't Yeah, maybe too much like I think I
got too much details in there. I don't need to
know that much about the you know, the cow I
want to eat all right, Look, did you see he's
not he's undaunted. And if there is a supply problem,
it's probably because they didn't have these opportunities to to
be able to sell to available markets. And so you're
seeing a lot of I know there's a lot of
family ranches and things that have been shutting down. It's

(27:34):
been hard to operate opening up either making it so
there's more buyers here in this country because Australia can't
come in and sell everything and not let you sell
anything out or lowering terrace. So they have other opportunities overseas.
It's all upside, all right.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n R.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
As I heard this morning, we are champions, not we're
among we are champions.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Well, we are champions, but we're champion.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well I will say I will say that when e
Ray I don't know, ladies, John, I don't know if
you know that. Our producer and this may be one
of the only times you'll ever hear me be this
nice Ray, but it's because he's helped me become a champion.
Eric Ray is one of the greatest bowlers in all
the no in all the world, all the world. So

(28:21):
that guy just says both. So they had the world.
They had the World Championship Bowling tournament in Utah. Yes
last night, they say, state, I'm sure it's the world.
I just I think he's being modest.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
But they won.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
He won, He won, and he had the highest score
of his team. So by extension, when e Ray is
a champion, we're champions because we're a team here. We're
a team team, so we're the team.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Did your help did we help him at the bowling
alley last night? Emotional spirit? We emotionally did.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think we both wished him luck yesterday we both said,
you know, we represent represent the Rotten Greg Show. You know,
is it team? So we are you sell us short
in this He did the bowling, we were there like
he did the actual bowling. But we are all the
three of this show. We are the champions.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Do you don't realize that he bowls with monsters? You
haven't seen the picture he posted and he shrimp. He's
a shrimp compared to.

Speaker 8 (29:22):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
But he beat them all beat So again you keep saying,
you keep singling him out. We beat everyone, We beat everyone.
So we won the tournament last night, and the Rod
and Gregg Show team team won the won the bowling
tournament last night. And that was for the best bowlers
in all the world. And so that's realized world. It's

(29:43):
a world that was just it's a world event. And
and uh, you know, good for him, Ray and us,
we're just we're at the top of the heap looking
down at everyone else.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know, they used to have like broadcast teams, various stations,
TV radio station would be in charitable bawl tournaments to
up raise money. It used to happen dozen anymore. But
if it ever comes back. He's on our team, on
our team. He is the team.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
We're just gonna be We're gonna be there coaching. No,
he'll build the team and then we'll just we'll just
we'll be there for hydration and uh and support. We'll
be with coaches.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
We'll hire them for like twenty minutes. Say see they're
part of the staff. Yeah, that's the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
But hey, the house back in the day when you're
in the legislative session. Uh, we had thorough. Bailey was
an intern for the House for twenty minutes, so we
could play on our team against the Senate and the
executive raisers cheaters.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Nope, one, our number two is coming up. Stay with us.
Let's see anything going on today. Anybody panicking in this
country today. Anybody saying the guy is falling, the sky is.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Falling, are doing it everybody.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Some economists are stacking the president of doing the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Can I just call this shot? When when this works?
Because I believe it is okay, and I don't. I
I think people like Elon Musk and Trump. You mentioned
that they're they're like founders. They're ready to take some risk,
but they don't take it cavalierly. They're not kma Kazi pilots. Okay,
they understand what's around them. They understand what the what
the risks are of doing nothing versus the risks of

(31:12):
having to reset this economy. Get it right after you
lose ninety would you say ninety thousand ninety plans plants,
not jobs? Ninety thousand plants.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh, the job numbers is just.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
In the millions upon millions. So we know that that's
not working right, right, we can say that that's not
that's not going to be a working plan. The fact
that we're just discussing this as a timely daily show
means that he's doing things that we haven't seen a
president of any party do before, and that is get
this try to get this economy back where it used
to be and prosperous. But I'll make this prediction. It's

(31:46):
going to work. Okay, you're going to see job gross
you're going to you're not going to see the inflation
of seven percent, eight percent, nine percent of the Biden years.
You're not going to see the things that we've already
lived through, the kind of prohibitive costs. And when all
of this happens, and you're going to see countries lowering
their teriffs as some already have and some will continue
to do, the media will never acknowledge it. The Democrats

(32:10):
will never The economists won't either. The media won't. The
Democrats won't. Every single good thing that's coming our way
with this reset that is absolutely vital, they will not
ever acknowledge. They're going to find things to complain about,
no matter what I mean. I heard, I heard someone say,
do you know that the inflation forecast was going to
be two points something? It could be three point two

(32:31):
because of this tariff? Hey, pal, it was seven percent provide,
not three point two. With the skyfalling with this so
called tariff, there has been a trade war of which
that we have been being battled against. The middle class
have been have been decimated. Our communities in middle and
the heartland of America been hollowed out. We are finally

(32:52):
fighting back. And when we win, other than this program
and a few of them like this, well they will
never ever minute, in fact, anything good that ever happens,
it'll be somehow they did.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It well already already, Greg We've seen GM today announced
they're stepping up production, okay, and some of their plans.
We just heard today that Argentina, not a big trading partner,
but a significant trading partner has come to the United
States said okay, we'll go zero tariffs as well.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's all you need to do.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You've got China, you've got Canada, you've got Japan, you
have the EU tougher customers to deal with. But I'm
willing to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.
He knows how to negotiate. He'll stand his ground if
anyone wants to. You don't raise how much higher could
they raise their greg their own tariffs against it in retaliation.
That's not going to happen. They can't go any higher.

(33:43):
The American people say, we aren't buying that man. You
want to rate, No, we aren't doing it.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I mean it sits on a sixty four percent tariff.
You think you can go up highate, Well, then you're
just basically keeping them out. I mean they already are anyway.
They're keeping so much of our of our exports what
we have left out of their countries anyway. So go
ahead take your number. The numbers fiction to us, it's
like it's like Canada. You know, they say, you know
there's a duty free quota. It's so low. Okay, who's

(34:08):
going to play that's it's a kin to a lottery.
Who gets to be the duty free milk going through
before you run into the three hundred percent tariff. It's
a joke, and our dairy farmers are never going to
play that game. It's a huge industry. They're going to
go to partners that actually they know and they can
they can you know, pro form out what that trading
relationship will look like Canada. When they say, well, you know,

(34:29):
they don't even hit the quota of duty free, it's
because no one's playing that game, because that's all it is,
is a game they don't have. They don't want a
trading relationship with anything dairy from the United States.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
No, No, Well, I think we tried to get Steve
More on today. He's got big time on US.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
I know.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
He's been on Fox, but you hear him every single
week almost faithfully with US folks.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, but but Steve mentioned today. I think it was
on with Glenn Beck this morning. Steve mentioned today Donald
Trump is a negotiator. He said, if you want to
Understandnald Trump when it comes to negotiating, read his book
The Art of the Deal, which I've never done. And
he recommend anybody in their twenty and thirties. We're well
past that mean much farther past, read that book to
really understand Donald Trump the negotiator and how he approaches negotiations.

(35:17):
And I am very willing to give Donald Trump right
now the benefit of the debt. I would much prefer
to be on the side of the table where Donald
Trump is sitting then on the side of a table
where some twitchy eyed negotiator is trying to out deal.
I think I know who's going to win on that.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
And we have all the cards of which we've never
been able to play. We buy everybody's junk. We buy everything.
We buy everything. Everything that people make, they all send
it here. We buy it all, okay, which isn't good
for us. It's amounted to what you've discribed that you've
showed since NAFTA, which is in the nineties, ninety thousand
factory frustrations shutting down and shutting So but the thing is,

(35:56):
because we buy everybody's everything, we stop buying it. What
are they supposed to do? What are they gonna do? Oh,
we're gonna really you know, we don't let you come
into our country. Well we're really really not gonna let
you come into our country. Now, okay, you haven't yet,
We have no where. You know, what's what's one hundred
percent of nothing? Nothing? So you don't let us in.
So you're gonna you're gonna take a sixty four percent
or a two hundred percent tariff and raise it. It

(36:18):
already kept us out. But what you don't know China
or you or anybody else is we can keep raising
yours and you're not going to bring in everything. And
that I'm telling you. I said this back in sixteen,
Rod and ladies and gentlemen, back in twenty sixteen, I
argued that the American people were done with cheap socks
from China at big box retailers and need jobs, and

(36:41):
need jobs to be able to be gainfully employed and
raise a family and be able to make a mortgage
and put food on the table. That's what the that's
what people in America need more than the cheap socks. Okay,
And I'm telling you that's where we're going. Well, let
me adding to that, Greg, Isn't it interesting? Isn't it
fascinating that we now have a president in my opinion,

(37:03):
who is showing some backbone.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I mean he's showing some backbone. I mean he wonders.
You know, we aired audio sound bites from him yesterday
on the Oprah Winfrey Show years ago talking about basically
being the same message out there. We are being taken
to the cleaners. We have opened up this market, a
free market in this country really since World War Two,
because we're a superpower Following World War Two, a lot

(37:28):
of these countries were devastated. So we help them build
their industries and let them send their stuff to us.
We send stuff to us, but all of a sudden,
they go, hey, let's put a tariff on this American product.
Let's be pretty good for us. We let them get
away with it. Greg, we didn't fight back. Donald Trump
is now saying, guess what, we's fighting back. We're not
going to put up with this anymore. We are gonna

(37:50):
play if you want to play fair, we love to
play with you. You don't want to play fair. We're
all done with this. And that's what he's standing there.
He is showing some backbone. When we come back from
the break. I've got sound bites with Pelosi, with Schumer.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Do you have the do you have the Howard Nick one?
I've got a forty second one here that's brilliant. Okay,
we'll play that one. Your favorite.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Mike Pence all saying, over the last several years, phone
do something about trade deficits. Donald Trump does, and they're
out criticizing them today.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Well, that's because Pence is getting paid to say otherwise.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Now, so that's true. He's changed this do you realize
he was just named he He is going to get
the Profiles Encourage Award this year from the Kenny family
because he he stood up to Donald Trumps insurrection're.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Still talking insurrection that.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Turned out to be nothing but a wild, goofy party.
They shouldn't have taken place, by the way.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
But yeah, well, you and I have the easiest position
in the world. We were against political violence period. That's it.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
That's it. We don't like the George Floyd, we don't
like the Antifa riots, we don't like people breaking in
and smashing anything at the Capitol. We're just against the
political violence. Democrats can't say the same. There's some they like.
They do, go fund me for the for the you know,
the Antifa riots and the you know, get those people
out of jail. They like that kind. They love the
violence against Tesla. That's good. They think that's good. We don't.

(39:05):
We don't like any of it.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I will never forget the MSNBC reporter I think his
name was Eli Veshi, standing in front of a riot
where a building is burning down. Going this for the
most part, is a peaceful rally.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
A mostly peaceful rally. As a building is in full
engulfed in flames behind the reporter.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, when we come back, we'll let you hear from
these audio sound bites. We also want to hear from
you tonight. I think the President is taking it backbone
and I want to share a comparison with what I
think is taking place, what the President is asking us
to do. We'll talk about that all coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine knrs. Let's continue now our discussion of

(39:45):
the tariffs announced by the President yesterday. He's trying to,
as he said, liberate America, make us actually make things again.
What a unique idea, and fight off these other countries,
ah novel. I want to just give you one example.
This is Indiana Center Jim Banks. And Jim Banks was
on one of the morning shows today and talked about

(40:06):
the impact that all this free trade has hot down
in his state.

Speaker 9 (40:09):
The decision by President Trump today to impose reciprocal tariffs
will be so good for Indiana. We already are the
largest manufacturing state per capita in the country, a lot
of really good paying manufacturing jobs in the top steel
producing state. In my small hometown in Northeast Indiana. The
best jobs are at a local steel mill called Steel Dynamics.

(40:30):
My dad retired from a factory that made axles for cars,
and those are the manufacturing jobs. If President Trump is
bringing back from overseas to the United States of America,
more made in America cars is good for Indiana's economy
and hoo's yours.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Knowing made in America cars what a novel idea?

Speaker 8 (40:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Man, yeah, can I play this, Howard Letting? Yeah, sure,
listen to this and this again?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
This is uh thank sure, I got it? Okay?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Is this our? Is he our Treasury Secretary Labor? Treasury Treasury.
I think talking about again the announced terroffts from Trump yesterday, I.

Speaker 10 (41:04):
Think they're not counting the factories that are going to
be built. President Trump yesterday announced five trillion dollars in
domestic commitments to build factories in America. Right, Remember domestic
production GDP.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
People forget if you.

Speaker 10 (41:20):
Buy a Toyota that's made in Japan, that's not domestic production.
Domestic production is factories built here. So you've got five
trillion dollars committed to be building factories in America and
that's going to drive growth.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
If you divide that.

Speaker 10 (41:35):
By our thirty trillion dollar economy, that's a whole lot
of growth. And you're going to get that starting in
the fourth quarter. And that's going to drive this US
economy because it's American workers who are going to build
those factories.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, it is American workers that are going to build
those things. Yep, yeah, well you're going to. Now, shall
we hear from the quote naysayers slash hypocrites?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah? Please ask let's do it.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Are you ready here for I got a long list?
You're ready? All right? This is Chuck Schumer. This was
This was in twenty eighteen when Donald Trump was president.
Listen to what he said about trade with China.

Speaker 11 (42:09):
Look, I think the President's doing the right thing. China
has been taking advantage of us for two decades. They're
stealing our intellectual property, which means stealing our good paying jobs.
And I, frankly am closer on this issue, not on
many but on this issue with President Trump than I
was with President's Bush or Obama because they did nothing

(42:31):
to tell China off. Now, China, of course will respond,
but if they know we're strong and we're not going
to back off, they will back off.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
They have far more to lose than we do.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
That's Chuck Shue.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
When did he say that?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
That's twenty eighteen, during Trump's first term in offer.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Well, where is he now? I mean that was what
I thought. I was thinking he was doing that when
there was a Democrat.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
No, no, no, that's right. He agreed with Trump in
twenty eighteen when he started this battle with China.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And now he's right to take every word he just
said and contradicted. He hates Trump more than he loves
the American people. Good job.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Now where would we be without a hypocrite? Nancy Pelosi?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Oh? Good, here, this is this is a star.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
This is Nancy on the House floor. I think I
was twenty sixteen.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
How far does China have to go? How much more repression,
how big a trade deficit and loss of jobs for
the American worker, and how much more dangerous proliferation has
to exist before members of this House of Representatives will
say I will not endorse the status quo.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
That's Nancy Pelosi. One more your favorite? Okay, Mike penns
what you know? This is when he was Vice president
of the United States talking about Donald Trump in his
effort to do something about Tree, and our.

Speaker 12 (43:47):
President is going to keep fighting for trade deals that
are free and fair and reciprocal and are a win
for Americans in the city and.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
On the far countries.

Speaker 12 (43:59):
In particular, Chine had been in Forum that the days,
the days of a disproportion and an imbalanced trade relationship
with the United States are coming to an end.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Isn't it amazing?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
That is verbatim what we're saying today, verbatim, verbatim.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, and Penn said that when he was vice president
of the United States, and now is he singing a difference?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, folks, I don't know if you know, but he
has been very vocal on social media and he's been
saying that this is the worst thing, that these tariffs
are going to harm Americans, that we shouldn't be we
shouldn't be doing this reciprocal trade agreement at all, Like
he said he was vice president. I and I'm telling
you he doesn't say that because he's just his conscience
has just got the best of them, and he's just
out there posting. He's he's a paid operative at this point,

(44:44):
and that's what he's doing. And it's it's to hear
him say that, then exactly what we're saying now and
now flip his position one hundred and eighty degrees. You know,
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Yeah, it's it's just.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Well, he's in the swamp. He's been part of the swamp.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I'm telling you, if if this is I think one
of our best shots of doing some really important things
that this country has to do, because we're not on
a sustainable trajectory. If the Republicans in Congress, if Congress
does not back the president and do the hard work,
because it's you know, doing hard things, breaking up the
status quo. It always comes with critics. There's nothing that's

(45:20):
transformational that's easy. It's just they're not. They're not, they're
completely opposite. If it's easy, it means you're doing nothing.
If it's hard and it comes with different opinions and
it's change, it's going to come with its critics. If
they don't have the ability the leadership to follow as
president and to really get this done the way he's
working on it, then we're not going to keep the House.

(45:41):
We're not going to keep the Senate, and the people
that voted for Trump will have been right. He's he's right,
he's authentic, he answers. He's not beholden anybody, but the
rest of the clowns in Washington, d C. They are
behold to other people. That's what's going to happen if
we don't get this right. So I hope they're tracking it.
And by the way, the first tell that you're either
on the the right side of this tracking, ready to

(46:01):
be a leader, or you're afraid is if you start saying, oh,
Elon Musk is a liability. If you're saying that you're afraid,
you're making decisions out of fear. That's the last guy
on earth that's beholden anybody. He's got more money than
when we'll ever have. He's doing the right he's doing
right by us. Thankfully supporting him. It shouldn't even be
a hard decision. But if you can't support him Trump

(46:24):
and what Elon's doing to show pull back the curtain
and show us what's going on, then you're not suited
up for the job.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Donald Trump is asking the American people to stand with him.
It's a trade war. I mean, there's no doubt we're
going to have a trade war. And I got thinking
about this today Earlier Greg, and I shared this with
you a little bit earlier as well, when Pearl Harbor
was attacked nineteen forty one, December seventh, nineteen forty one,
we're under attack. The President of the United States came

(46:51):
to the American people said, we've got to fight this.
We've got to put a stop to Japan, We've got
to put a stop to Nazi Germany. We need your help.
The American people went through all kinds of you and
I were not alive. Even though you think I was,
We're not. You know, you know, ration prime ration almost
everything in this country. You couldn't buy gasoline, women couldn't
buy hosiary for crying out. Yes, I mean we were ration,

(47:14):
and the American people stood up and said, we're with you.
We've got to stop this. My question is today, are
the American people willing to maybe sacrifice a little bit
and to stand up and to fight for what the
President is saying by supporting the President supporting these efforts
to bring manufacturing back to So it's gonna bite for
some people with increased costs, but are you willing to

(47:36):
live through this to win this trade war? Because, like
you've said, Greg, we are in such a vulnerable position
right now. I mean, we can't even make our own antibiotics.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
No, we can't make many, we can't make medicine, we
can't make we.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Can't make anything in this country anymore. The President is
asking us to step up, and I hope the American
people see this as a challenge and say we'll do
what we can to help out.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
And folks, you resolve yourself. But just know this, I am.
I believe, and like I've said before, I don't know
that I have the luxury of opinion. I think I
just know. I don't. I don't believe. Therefore, I don't
know that anything that we're going to see by way
of economic change and costs going up will even remotely
look like what we had to endure with the Biden administration.

(48:20):
I think we've been through the worst of it economically,
I really do. I think what you're going to see
on the positive side as this is happening, because this
trade war has been going on for a long time
while we've been laying down just getting decimated. Like I said,
this country and the heartland of America has been hollowed out.
I mean you can actually see it in Utah when
you go around and you see these old lumber yards

(48:40):
that rusted out, that used to for generations. They used to,
you know, do the lumber, and they used to sell
it and it was successful. Business is gone. They're all gone.
You've seen it. This country's But we have been in
a war, a trade war of which we've been just
getting massacred, and now we're going to stand up to it.
We're going to see the benefits from that. You're seeing
the trillions of dollars of investment. And I don't think
the downside of this will ever look as bad as

(49:02):
what we had to endure with this president in his
auto pen.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
All right, give us a call. We'd love to get
your thoughts on this, so you're ready to step up
and help the president and succeeding in this trade war.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on your
cell phone dial pound two fifty and simply say, hey, Rod, you.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Know I was just gonna say, I think you just
said it cynically, which I wouldn't say that cynically. I
am having a blast. I know, this is my happy time.
It really is. Well when it's time to come here.
I'm excited. Just don't wound up all day. I've been
really Just let me loose.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
We're gona start calling you, Captain happy.

Speaker 8 (49:36):
I am.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I'm very happy.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Now before we go to our calls, we need a
little levity as we talk about trade wars and the tariffs. Right, well,
the best place to get it is from Senator John Kennedy,
the wonderful repology. Yes, from the state of Louisiana. He
was asked to assess what's going on with the President's
liberation day.

Speaker 13 (49:54):
We're in uncharted waters. Tariffs are more art my opinion,
then signs.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Uh, charifs are like.

Speaker 13 (50:04):
Whiskey, A little whiskey under the right circumstances can be refreshing.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Too much whiskey.

Speaker 13 (50:14):
Under the wrong circumstances, uh, and you end up drunk
as a goat.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
We just don't know right now.

Speaker 13 (50:22):
But we'll know within the next six months. If it works,
must mus must take a dozen. If it doesn't work,
the President's going to have to recap.

Speaker 14 (50:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
We don't want to be drunk as a goat, do
we No?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
But you know, even that's a little bit weak for
such a great guy. It's like, if it doesn't work. Okay, well,
then what is working? Well again? I then what my
two word question? Then what?

Speaker 8 (50:49):
Then?

Speaker 14 (50:49):
What?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
There is no sustainable path that we that we are
on right now that you can continue to be. You
cannot lose ninety thousand factories or industries since since NAFTA.
You can't have a thirty six trillion dollar deficit or
debt and growing. You can't pay two trillion dollars of
then spend a print trillion dollar more money that you

(51:10):
didn't bring in and spend another trillion on the interest
on the debt. It doesn't work. It's not I mean,
there's there's no I mean, Rome was one thousand years,
five hundred years with a you know, with a senate,
and five hundred is a as a you know, emperor.
We're trying to get the two fifty here, you know,
we're trying to get the two hundred and fifty years.
It doesn't get We don't get there under the status quo.

(51:32):
So I don't want to hear if it doesn't work,
it's not working. Currently we're pretty comfortable while we say that,
but that can change in a blink of an eye
if you're dollar fault.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
So let's go to Let's all right, let's go to
Russ in Tremont. Russ, How are you welcome to the
Roden Great Show. Thanks for calling Russ.

Speaker 15 (51:48):
Yeah, I appreciate that it is going to be named
Liberation Day. I think we could have done better in
a ballist income taxes instead. That would have been a
better liberation day in my opinion, were going with it.
But yeah, well here's the thing, I'm going to bring
it back. But why aren't we still talking about that?
Because Trump did bring it up with the tariff stuff,

(52:10):
and here we are now we have both and that sucks.
But as far as the terrorists goal, I'm pretty libertarian leaning,
but I'm sick of even libertarians saying that Trump or
tariffs are bad. Tariffs are bad, and I'm like, okay,
but just like you said, Greg, then what you can't
You can't deny that we're getting messed over with other countries.

(52:31):
It's not free trade and it's not lays a fair
if if one has the other. And why are why
are tariffs only bad in America when everyone else hasn't that?
And I think they're bad, but we're we're not on
equal playgrounds, which that's the case that Trump's making. And
and here's the thing, I as much as I hate
the idea of I'm willing to accept trying in lieu
of what of what we're getting. But yeah, my question

(52:52):
is is what's the what's the state of purpose? Though,
because it's kind of conflicting when one of the reasons
that everybody saw him out is all we want to
bring jobs and manufacturing back. I get it. I think
part of that's true. But we remember, and even Glenn
Beck hit on this today, what if companies come back,
They're not going to hire thousands of people to fill
these things. They're gonna be using AI robots, et cetera.

(53:13):
So it's not as big as we think it might be.
So let's remember that, you know, the division of labor
means we do what's best and we trade with people.
So I think we should be careful about only saying, well,
we want to bring jobs back, and remember we also
maybe your sons and daughters like mine may not want
to work in factories. Maybe they want to be doctors, lawyers,
and engineers, So we got to kind of consider that

(53:34):
in that But the other one is to make money.
For this is where I'm having a hard time with
Trump about you know, are they gonna be temporary? Are
they not? And the income tax thing, even if the
state of purpose is to make money, well, what if
they work?

Speaker 16 (53:47):
If tariffs work.

Speaker 15 (53:48):
And like I and say next month or next week,
they say, okay, we get We're not gonna call your bluff.
We're gonna drop to zero. So we all end up
having zero tariffs. That ain't a money supply. That ain't
solution to bring in income on war as far as
money goes. So that is a valid concern of like
what if it works? Because that's what I keep asking
the libertarian group is like what if it works?

Speaker 16 (54:10):
What are you guys going to say?

Speaker 15 (54:10):
This is Yeah, it ain't a free market approach, but
we're not in a free market.

Speaker 16 (54:14):
We haven't had a.

Speaker 15 (54:15):
Lais a fair market in anything, you know. So I'm
up for trying it, even though I'm a little skeptical,
but just so that we're on level playing grounds. But
like that, yeah, that politician, what's going to happen in
a couple of months If it doesn't work? You know,
what are we going to do?

Speaker 8 (54:29):
Rus?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And Russ? I love your points. The one thing I
just want to say though, is that where you see.
I think it's going to be a combination of both.
I think that if you did it right, you'd have
companies that are trying to avoid tariffs or they're bringing
jobs here. But where you see, I think there's the
ten percent. Ten percent is kind of the equilibrium that
we've hit with the UK, we've hit with some other
larger countries. I think that there's a there's a tariff

(54:50):
that exists very very low, a low barrier to entry,
so that you see the trade happening profitably, but you
also have those that will come in and you will
the jobs. I don't care if it's Toyota or if
it's Ford. We need more factories built. And if it
works for trade or it works for avoiding trade, I
think that at the end of the day, the United
States has to be the leader in industry as we

(55:12):
used to be.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Well, more of your phone calls coming up here on
the Riding Greg Show in Utah's talk Radio one O
five nine kan RS. Already we learned today that Argentina,
one of the companies that would face an increase tariff
in the United States, has reached out to the administration.
Says Hey we're willing to cut a deal, and I
think you'll see more and more countries step up. I
think the big trading partners partners, that's going to be

(55:34):
a little more difficult, Greg, But you know Donald Trump,
he's ready to wheel in a deal, and he said on
Air Force one today, someone comes up with the proposal,
I'm willing to listen to it. He's not stupid.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
We're going to see a lot of that. And I'm
going to tell you it's time for some smaller businesses
to stand up and rise up because China don't. We
just don't need the big box stuff they've been shoveling
to this country for as long as they've been doing it,
and they think we're dependent on them, and this would
be the moment we show we're not. Let's go to
our callers, Dave, who's been patiently waiting in Sandy, David,
thank for waiting, and welcome to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 16 (56:08):
Oh gentlemen, I'm tired of winning. Thank you. I think
I got a couple of couple of comments here. First
of all, I think we're eating our seed corn as
a nation. We're gutting our scientific research and the funding
for that and that's what put us, has put us

(56:30):
in the lead around the world for decades, and as
we cut that and China increases theirs, we will fall
further and further behind. My next comment is, now, remind
me again, who was it who negotiated a trade agreement
with Canada and Mexico that was the best thing since
sliced bread and was the world I've never seen before.

(56:54):
I think that's probably the same guy that's now putting
tariffs on those countries. What happened did he? Did he
learn something?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And also I think Biden messed it up all.

Speaker 16 (57:06):
The cuts that we're doing well. Quite frankly, my portfolio
did a lot better under him, who added twenty five
percent to their deficit during their first term. Let me see, oh,
same guy right now that that's trying to get a
five trillion dollars.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, Daves. A lot of that was at that tail
end of the COVID time. I mean a lot of that,
you'd be fair though. A lot of that deficit you
saw in the spike in that last year of his presidency.
Before that you didn't see. You didn't see that kind
of spend.

Speaker 8 (57:41):
Actually, I saw.

Speaker 16 (57:42):
The depthsit going up every year and the tax are
fine forever, but that they should be for people making
under four hundred thousand and not for the higher Remember,
from about nineteen fifty until nineteen eighty, our top tax
rate was in excess of ninety percent. Now, granted there
are a lot of exemptions, nobody paid that, but there

(58:03):
were still capitalists out there working hard to make the money,
and we were the envy of the world. Are the
engine of democracy?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Hey, Dave, we've got on that right now.

Speaker 16 (58:14):
I hate to say it, but I think that all
these to all these cuts that they're making are simply
to make headroom to to do a tax cut. We
don't we don't We do not need to reduce the depthicit.
We need to eliminate it. Yes, we could start paying down.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
But yet, David, I want to clarify one thing. I
think it's coming from the Congressional Budget Office, but they're
saying that if you don't extend, that doesn't mean cut
new taxes. But if you if you don't leave this
tax rate alone and you let it take the tax
cuts of seventeen expire, it amounts to thirty five hundred
dollars per household, not to the billionaires, not to the
people making over four hundred thousand. To an average household,

(58:50):
it would amount to three thirty five hundred dollars increase
a year if you do not extend the current tax rate,
which will expire if not. If not, that's not a cut,
that's just keeping the status quo in terms of how
much we're paying taxes. If those twenty seventeen tax cuts
go away, you would see, according to the Congressional Budget Office,
a thirty five hundred dollars increase in your taxes per household.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Let's go to Jim in Salt Lake City tonight. Hi Jim,
how are you welcome? To Rod? And Greg?

Speaker 8 (59:18):
Doing well? Thanks for taking my call. Yeah. If we
don't do exactly what President Trump wants us to do,
and we don't pass all these laws that really, really
really help America, we're going to end up like the
Democrats want in socialism. They were just talking today about

(59:39):
how they all were for Biden and his losing his
mind and everything, but they didn't care. They don't care,
They don't All they want is power. They don't care
about anything that's good. They only care about their own power.

(01:00:00):
And they've found out today that there are so many
Democrats that have been cheating the government for decades, decades,
and we have done nothing about it. And finally, finally
they're going to get there due Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Will If it's not coming, I think it's maybe already
arrived for a lot of these.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
People, I'm telling you. And the fact is this, I mean,
I love the comment because there is no sustainable path
what we're doing now. But the Democrats know that, you
know how they keep getting caught in the twenty percent
of an issue and eighty percent of common sense Americans
are on the other side. It's because that the twenty
percent of the elitists, they're the Ivy League school people,
the people that don't understand the everyday Americans experience. They

(01:00:44):
don't see they've never stepped foot in an are in
a factory, or in a heartland of America that had
an industry and had factories. And I'm telling you we
can't let that continue. We have to turn it around.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Why we just walk through some of the small towns
that have been that by what's been going on? Yes,
all right, more coming up third hour. We're ready to go,
and we hope you are to join us, stay with us.
As you said earlier, this your happy place. It is
you have so much fun. I did get getty.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Thank you for having me. I love that you've let
me tag along here. We're not even at a year yet.
It doesn't why his time flown for you. I can't
believe that I just walked into that. Why did I
even ask? Why did I even ask that question? What
a silly question to ask.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I wake up every morning.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I was fully expect you to say. I cannot believe
it's been, you know, so many months. It feels like
it's gone so quick.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It has been. It's been a barrel of laugh Thanks
so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
People out there absolutely hate us, but others, no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
They don't hate us. Do you know when that day
was being a smart alec about being I'm tired of winning.
He was being sarcastic. I was, actually, I'm thinking I'm
tired of winning because we win so much. He was
kind of he was saying it tongue in cheek. It
went right over my head because I think we're winning.
I don't think I know we're winning. We got we
got the elites and the globalists on the run. They're

(01:02:07):
on the run.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
The Democrats they just don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
I've got an example of another nutty thing that they're
doing here in a little bit. But let's talk about this,
you know, Greg, there there is nothing more frustrating, I
think sometimes than watching Republicans waste political capital. Yes, they're
in control the House, there's an agenda out there. Now
one of them brings up an issue that really nobody

(01:02:32):
cares about, and we're talking about proxy voting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah, yep, yep, Well I care about it. But I
shocked that the Republican, there's any Republican that wants to
say I shouldn't have to come to work today, especially
after they are the same Republicans that's the government workers
should have to come to work today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Well, earlier this week, Republican Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna
teamed up with Democrats to push the US House to
consider legislation allowing new parents to vote remotely not allowed,
and Mike Johnson put his foot down, said, you want
to play that game, we are not meeting this week.
Another example, here's Marjorie Taylor Greene on a proxy vote.

Speaker 17 (01:03:11):
But we just voted on this rule. Lunasville is extremely unfortunate.
You know, being in Congress is a privilege. You don't
have to be here, and there's plenty of people in
her district that could serve in Congress if she chose
it for, you know, time to be home and be
a mother. I'm very much against the bill that she's

(01:03:31):
trying to force to the Burg and the way she's
going about it, and I think it's wrong, and it's
it's really going to open up the door to proxy voting,
which is already unconstitutional.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
And Speaker Mike Johnson said, we aren't going there if
you don't want to go there, if you don't agree
with us, we're shutting it up in Congress for the
rest of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
They went home, and it is a slippery slop. How
do you tell someone who's sick they can't do it
from home? Yeah, how do you tell anyone? I mean,
you're going to have it's going to be like a
bunch of Biden's and and Feinstein's. You remember how she
wasn't she wasn't aware of anything going on anymore and
could proxy vote. That was a disaster. I am so
shocked that that that that they would they even have

(01:04:08):
free health care or childcare. They have free childcare in Congress,
and they're and they're they're making an issue over something
that nobody in America has the luxury of say sorry,
I'm not going to do it. I mean, and it
is a it is an honor to serve. And if
they can't do the job, they then they shouldn't do
the job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Carol Plain is a an author. She's also a founder
of an organization called Real Unity Training Solution. She wrote
about this today and it's calling Ford speaker Johnson to
stand firm. Carol, thanks for joining us tonight. My guess is, Carol,
in reading your article, this whole proxty voting debate is
a real burr under your saddle.

Speaker 14 (01:04:44):
Because I think it's a ruse.

Speaker 18 (01:04:45):
I don't think it's really about what the two co
sponsors UH state and that the public is being manipulated.

Speaker 14 (01:04:54):
Most people don't understand it.

Speaker 18 (01:04:57):
I think that uh, it's it's a way to open
the door for proxy voting for all kinds of situations.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
I think you're exactly right. I appreciate your Callum. I'm
glad you're calling this out because the rule that they're
talking about it would lead one to believe that if
you just barely had a baby and there's a crucial vote,
there has to be a way that you could, as
a mother, be able to do it. But the way
the resolution has been written, you could be the father
of a child, a newborn, and you can miss up

(01:05:26):
to however many weeks, twelve weeks. The bill is far
broader than the way it's been presented. And at the
end of the day, isn't it the case that they
have daycare at Actually I didn't know this till recently,
at the in Congress or at the capitol there and
don't every day Americans face this challenge in their daily,

(01:05:47):
daily lives. So would why would the why would Congress
be any different?

Speaker 14 (01:05:52):
It's all about privilege.

Speaker 18 (01:05:53):
They've always operated under a different set of rules than
they ever went in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yes, you know, let me ask you this. There's a
post that shows that she was calling out that the
congresswoman Anna Polina, she was called uh Helena Luna was
calling out federal workers, saying you're only working what was it?
You're only six percent of federal workers show up in

(01:06:20):
person full time? This is absurd. If you're a government employee,
you should report to work in person every single day. Again,
to your point, even if they act in title, do
they have to put neon lights around it? Why would
she know? I would this congresswoman not think that she
would apply to the same rules that she's posting that

(01:06:40):
on on social media, that federal workers should report to
work every single day. Why is she saying this?

Speaker 18 (01:06:49):
I mean, there's always been a measure of hypocrisy, but
I contend that it's about something much broader than women
and me and men and women getting twelve weeks.

Speaker 14 (01:07:03):
Of parental leave.

Speaker 18 (01:07:05):
And they get paid already, So it's not about them
getting paid for twelve weeks. It's about whether they actually
come to the floor and cast the vote.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Carol. You right that proxy
voting's pandemic experience, which took place of the experiment which
took place during the pandemic, had its flaws. What happened
when that was instituted during the pandemic, Carol, what did
you see happening?

Speaker 18 (01:07:36):
Well, they loved it so much that they tried to
keep it around until Speaker McCarthy got rid of it
in twenty twenty three, and so it was instituted in
twenty twenty by Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 14 (01:07:49):
Ninety seven percentage.

Speaker 18 (01:07:52):
Ninety seven percent of members of Congress used it, So
everyone was using it.

Speaker 14 (01:07:57):
I'm sure they loved it.

Speaker 18 (01:07:58):
They could vote from other countries, they could vote from
a golf course, they could vote from their farms, they
could vote anywhere in the world that they wanted to vote.
They could call in or not even called in. They
could give that proxy to someone who was there.

Speaker 14 (01:08:14):
And so they love it.

Speaker 18 (01:08:17):
So they use They're using the women, and the women
are using the babies to get through something that I
think a lot of members of Congress want. Mitch McConnell,
who should have resigned a long time ago. He's nursing
home ready, as it appears, certainly retirement home ready. People
like that will stay forever if they get this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
You know, I'm a recovering public servant. I served in
our state House of Representatives. I was the Speaker of
the House, and I can tell you that that that
we are rule in the state of Utah is you
have to be on that floor to vote. If you
hear the chimes and you're just on the outside of
the chamber, you have to be in that chamber to vote.
It's an important rule, you see your colleagues as you're voting.

(01:09:02):
There may be discussions amongst colleagues. There's all kinds of
things that happen on the floor as intended. So I
think you're you're one hundred percent right that this is
much more than just a new newborns and new mothers.
Let me ask you this. I don't see I don't
see really a lot of full, you know, chambers in Congress.

(01:09:25):
I don't see debates going on all the time. They
barely ever see each other. They see their staffs all
the time, but they don't see each other hardly. Ever,
How how on earth can they argue in a process
that already, if you look at state legislatures, they don't
interact with their colleagues as often as a legislative branch
was meant to. How can they say this one last

(01:09:47):
coiet requirement of having to be on the floor is
one that they simply just shouldn't have to follow. At
that point, you don't ever have to darken the door,
you have to have to go to DC. You didn't
have to have to see this.

Speaker 14 (01:09:58):
They're barely there is.

Speaker 18 (01:10:00):
The one hundred and eighteenth Congress was therefore the House
of Representatives one hundred and seventeen days one hundred and
fifty four for the Senate, so they're not there most
of the time anyway, and they would be there even less.
And it's not about the women. That's just to get
the legislation through. Next to to be about people who

(01:10:21):
are hospitalize or people that the family members are sick.

Speaker 14 (01:10:25):
It's a slippery slope.

Speaker 18 (01:10:27):
And they've already enjoyed the pleasures of not having to
be in Washington. But because they carried the proxy voting
long beyond when it was necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Carol, you point out that there have been other lawmakers
who face challenges of raising a family and they seem
to find a way to work around it. Talk about
that if you would for just a second.

Speaker 14 (01:10:49):
Well, what happened to women?

Speaker 18 (01:10:51):
I mean, part of the women's movement and what we've
fought for is the quality with men, and so women
who have been successful just about every position, they have
had to play by the rules, and this seems like
they're changing the rules.

Speaker 14 (01:11:08):
But then they've thrown men in, so they made it equal.

Speaker 18 (01:11:12):
If the proxy voting were to be approved, it would
give new fathers as well as new mothers twelve We
sit home, and they would still be able to quote
ex excuse me, they would still be able to vote.

Speaker 14 (01:11:26):
Why would we do that? And if that were the case,
there would be explosion.

Speaker 18 (01:11:31):
Of new births because people would want the flexibility.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Cheryl love your thinking. She was angry when we talked
to her today. She said, this is the most ridiculous
things she's ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
I'm so glad she's calling it out because I think women,
females are going to be stronger voices in this debate,
because if I'm set up to lose, if I sit
and complain about this, well you don't. They'll say you
don't have a baby, So it's easy for you to
say now. Her resolution that she supported they did this
meant that the husband doesn't have to come to work either.
But but I I do think that the American people

(01:12:04):
and the American family, frankly, are going through a lot
of challenges to pay the bills, to have a job,
to do all of this. And for this member of
Congress who's actually posted on social media criticism about federal
workers who have not shown up at work, saying they
should come every day, for her to try and think
that she has some exception to this and that Congress
does that the rest of us don't live by. It's

(01:12:26):
just more of that same. It's I don't know what's
in the what the deal is with that town, but
it's it is gross.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I think they're drinking the Potomac.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Here's here's it. Seriously, if if we're out of Tijuana rivers, Yeah,
that's the way she's drinking it. But I'll tell you,
if you team up with every Democrat in your legislative
body as a Republican, you've done the wrong thing. That's
just the rule. If every single Democrats on one side
and you join them, you join the wrong team. It's

(01:12:58):
they have They do not share the same interest you do.
They do not look at the same platform you do.
They do not They did not get sent by the
same constituency you did. But if you're with them, all
of them, then you're you're on the wrong side.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You sure are all right? More coming up the Roden
Great Show. We roll along on this Thursday evening and
Talk Radio one O five nine k N alright, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I miss I'd miss you if you didn't listen to
the show. Our audience is growing, by the way. Always
be nice to rotten Greg listeners, because the audience grows
every day. We keep getting I know we're not supposed
to spike footballs around here, but I gotta tell you
the politics of our time. It's it's on the audience.
I'm just gonna say that. I'm just gonna say number
one that we are doing a yeoman's job. How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Just fine?

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Okay, So I'm gonna play now. I'm not the biggest
fan of Herado Rivera, but when Herado Rivera starts making sense,
you know that something must be dead obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
He made sense, He made sense. Interesting cat I never
got to figure out where he where he stands.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
He always he always messes with his He's starting to
make sense and he says something and you're like, you
gotta be kidding, You're crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Didn't he text a picture of himself in front of
a mirror and showing off his abs or something?

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Probably well sounds it sounds very Heraldo Roaldo. Yeah, okay,
so I'm gonna play this Heraldo. Well, this is to
your point. He has to tell you all about his vacation.
He went on a family vacation to know to Japan,
and last night he was on news nation, and he
was kind of talking about it and talking about the
observation on his family vacation. Let's have a listen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Let's just start with my vacation. Chris.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
Sure, because the family, Erica Soul and I did visit
Japan just back. I can tell you we went the
length and breadth of the of the of the island
archipelago and the big cities like Tokyo and then and
the others. We did not see a single American car
on the road in Tokyo. Not a Caddy, not a Buick,

(01:14:53):
not a Ford, not a Chevy, not a nothing. We
have plenty of Toyotas here in my neighborhood, and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
You know, around the country. So why is that?

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
And now I have an inn a sense that there's
something unfair going on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
He is be the American consumer. Ah, he picked that up.
How astute of him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
How So we got a lot of Toyotas here. I
got a lot of you know, Nissans, We got a
lot of cars. How come when you get to these
countries they don't have a single American car? There is
that the free trade that we signed up for. I
didn't I got duped. I'm telling you it's a it's
you know, you spend a lot of time thinking you
know what's going on, and then all of a sudden

(01:15:32):
you find out, wait a minute, you mean this free
trade means we can't trade at all with them? Well, yeah,
well when did. I don't think they know what the
word free means. I don't think that's a very free
way to see commerce occur. I don't think so. I
think that's so I I you know, I like life
being a two way street. I think that's a very
fair way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
To That's what Donald Trump is asking is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Well, and you know what everyone that wants to tell
you that you know, well, everything's going to go up.
You know it's not going to go up. What the
American car because they're made here, right, So that's the theory.
But it always feels better, ron and ladies and gentlemen
when Ford Motor Company gets on the air and they
want to tell you themselves, we have your back America.

(01:16:13):
So remember no tariffs on the cars that are made here.
We've been on the wrong side of everything for how long.
Here's what Ford Motor Company and their representative wanted to
tell the people. I think this was this morning exactly right.

Speaker 19 (01:16:24):
For the next couple of months, We're going to offer
our customers the same deal that our employees get. And
as you say, that's worth thousands of dollars, you come
into our store, you get employee pricing. This is kind
of to call a little bit of a time out.
We've heard some uncertainty from our customers and we want
them to be assured that Ford, the most American auto company,
is going to do right by them, as are our dealers.

(01:16:47):
We make the most cars here, we employ the most,
we export the most, and so we here at Ford
we're in a good position to address customers concern and
give them a really great deal on a great vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
So this is what it's all about, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Get ready.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
It's free enterprise. It's people thinking about what can we
do to sell more cars, Sell more this, sell more
of that. It's what America is all about. And I
love hearing that. You know, the Ford dealers got to
be real happy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
So if the tariffs hit tomorrow and all these foreign
cars go up, you can go to Ford, get that
f one fifty today's price, yesterday price, but at the
employee discount. How much that is I'll bet you it's
a few thousand bucks. I'll bet you would think. So,
it's going to go down. Your price is on this
American made company car, this American ford. It's going to
go down right now. Does do you think that might

(01:17:37):
bring more customers? Do you think that might bring more
economic activity? I'm of the opinion that the answer to
that is yes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
You think it will. All right, We've got a lot
more to come here on the Rod and Greg Show.
Stay with us Talk Radio one O five nine knrs.
Remember the book years ago by Paul Airlit called The
Population Boom Or Did you ever hear anything about it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I heard it, I didn't, I've never ready.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
I read it years ago, and the idea was that
we're gonna have you know, we're going to because the
earth is going to become so overpopulated it won't be
able to sustain itself. Yes, that was the idea behind it. Right. Well,
in some cases that's true, because you have in underdeveloped
countries you have a population boom that is taking place.

(01:18:17):
But in developed countries like Europe and here in the
United States, the demographic doom loop is underway. We're having
fewer babies all the time in this country. Even in Utah, yes,
which for here we're still the youngest state in the country,
but we aren't having as many babies.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Slowing down generation it has been slowing down.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah, you don't. You don't see these big, large families
I think at Utah anymore that we were known for.
So what is going on and what does that mean? Well,
joining us on our newsbager line to talk about that
is Ed ring Ed is a senior fellow at the
Center for American Great Mins. Ed, thank you very much.
Like I said, you know, like we were saying, Greg
and I were just saying, Ed that we used to

(01:18:56):
have a lot of babies here, we don't anymore. But
what do you think this demographic doom that has taken
place around the country.

Speaker 20 (01:19:03):
Well, you know the rule, the kind of the politically
correct reasons have been the cost of living. You know
that there's some concern that we're actually becoming less fertile
because of African disruptors, you know, microplastics, all kinds of
things in the environment nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
So so you get these sorts of.

Speaker 20 (01:19:29):
I guess we would call them politically correct explanations. But
the I think the biggest reason of all is the
fact that women and men, but women in particular because
they are the ones that really have the ultimate control
over you know, births don't want to have children as

(01:19:51):
much anymore. And you know, we've explored the reasons for that.
It appears that in developed nations, higher in more opportunities
for women, birth rates are literally crashing, whereas in nations
where women are still in more traditional roles don't have

(01:20:13):
the same educational and career opportunities. And also, of course,
these are all low income nations. And you know, when
you get in nations with income under five thousand dollars
a year, fertility goes way up, and it goes up
really fast. You get into the most poverty stricken nations

(01:20:33):
in the world, you will find the highest birth rates.
It's almost a one to one perfect correlation between income
and fertility.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
So you share some statistics and how what you've just
as explained is happening. So you see Europe as trying
to keep its population or whether it's trying to do
this on purpose or not, its population growth looks like
it's coming from its immigration population. Is there a way
to to turn this around in terms of a shrinking

(01:21:03):
population in Western countries? If It isn't done through a
high migration immigration. Is there can we can we ourselves
decide we want to have more traditional roles and women
want to opt to be a mother instead of pursuing
a career. Is that even possible in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 20 (01:21:21):
Yeah, it is, and you know that would be the
subject I guess for a subsequent article because looking into this,
one of the things that we found was that women
that are part women and men that are part of
faith communities, and women and men that are conservatives tend
to have higher birth rates. Christians have a birth rate

(01:21:45):
that's over replacement people that identify as Christian in America,
including Mormons, have about it. It's still just barely over replacement.
It's two point two. You know, you need you need
to have two kids because doesn't have children. So you've
got to be a little over to though, because there
are some you know, there's infant mortality, there's people that

(01:22:07):
die before they reach child bearing age and so forth.
But Christians in America are having babies at a slightly
greater than a replacement level. And the total fertility rate
they looked. Another study looked at counties and looked at
the percent Republican vote. And here again you have a
very very strong correlation where liberals are not having children

(01:22:33):
nearly at the same rate as conservatives are. There are
Republican counties where, for example, was seventy five percent Republican
vote that we're seeing fertility rates in some of these counties,
And they looked at every county in the country that
had over one hundred thousand people in it, where they're
up a two point four to two point five children
per woman. So time, in some respects is on our side.

(01:22:57):
But what happens is that was the older population, because
you have to wait until women are beyond child bearing
age before you can assess what their total fertility is.
And so in the younger generation, we still have an
enormous challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
And I don't think we should just sit back.

Speaker 20 (01:23:11):
And go, oh gosh, we're going to outbreed them because
we have our people of faith and we are patriotic conservatives.
That depends very much on what happens with the younger generation.
And I think we've all seen now the studies that
show young men really really shifting towards conservatism, but young
women have moved in the opposite direction in general.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
So we've got a big problem still, yeah, big challenge.
Take a look at the economic impact. As you know,
countries like the United States, we start decreasing the number
of children we have. But as you point out, like
in the country of NIGERI believe their population is exploding.
What kind of economic imbalance is that going to create
down the road dead.

Speaker 20 (01:23:57):
Well, you know unless these nations, I mean, the correlation
is so strong that that if these nations can achieve
higher standards of living and higher income, then their birth
rates are almost certain to fall. Now Here Again though
that there is the variable of faith, and a lot
of the nations that are continuing to reproduce very rapidly

(01:24:20):
are nations with strong Muslim faith. So which one what's
going to predominate is the question. If we succeed in
helping these nations, for example, by dropping all the climate
change nonsense and allowing them to develop natural gas, for example,
so they can have energy in these countries and they
have economic development, is that going to be the predominant

(01:24:43):
factor that leads to their birth rates declining or will
the you know, the radical Islam in these nations end
up continuing to captivate these cultures and If that's the case,
they'll continue to have very high birth rates.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Future is going to look real interesting when it comes
to birth rates around the world. A lot to come.
Final segment as we wrap up this very busy day show.
A lot of a lot happening, A lot happening. Real
interesting story, Greg, coming out of Georgia, and you're a
big fan of this guy. We're talking about Antonio Brown. Yes,
wide receiver Steelers. Yeah, one of the best wide receivers

(01:25:21):
we've ever had. Yeah, a lot of concussions and stuff,
and so he got a little crazy at the end
of his career.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
But I've watched him. I watched him a training camp.
He was easily the best player on the Steelers team
for a long, long, long time. He did such a
great job, and he got involved politically in the last campaign.
He got right behind Trump. He was helping Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Yeah, I didn't know that. Well. This story is an
interesting one because a real debate apparently is has erupted
over this man. He was arrested Greg for leaving his
children alone, Okay, and their aged uh what are their ages? One,
six and ten? Leaving his kids alone in a fast

(01:26:00):
food restaurant in order to go to a job interview.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Okay, that's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:26:08):
Name.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
His name is Chris Lewis. He's twenty four years old.
He's accused of leaving his three children without supervision Adam
McDonald's in Augusta, Georgia. A witness saw Lewis at about
four thirty called police, who detained him at about six eighteen,
so about an hour and a half later. Right, She
said he was on a job interview and that they
had been homeless since November. So here's a man who's

(01:26:31):
out trying to get a job. I don't know what
you do. You have three young children. Yeah, you know,
if you don't know anybody, what do you do?

Speaker 14 (01:26:39):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Lewis told police that he had walked to the restaurant
from his apartment because he didn't want his children to
walk back alone.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Yes, okay, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
And he also said he doesn't own a car. The
witness says that Lewis had left and returned once briefly
and left again, so he checked on his children a
couple of times. Right. He was arrested in charge with
deprivation of a minor while the children were released to
their mother. It's kind of a weird story. I guess
the incident that sparked a national debate, with some accusing

(01:27:11):
him of abusing the children, others defending him for seeking employment.
It's not looking for a job.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
This the bar of what's abuse has just gotten pretty low.
If the guy is trying to become gamefully employed, he
doesn't want to leave the kids alone in the house.
You know, I'll patch you that McDonald's. I mean probably
had a playland or something. I don't know. I just
it's what a dilemma. I mean, my mother was a
single mother. My grandmother was a single mother. And the
the challenge of childcare, the challenge of trying to keep

(01:27:42):
gamefully employed and paying rent and all that it is.
It is a lot. And this guy is trying to
do right. He's trying to get her, and they're going
after him. So what's the Antonio Brown hook?

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
He started a GoFundMe donation. Oh, he did go fund
me campaign. He himself donated one thousand dollars of his money.
Good for he felt lewis for a b Well guess what.
Brown has now raised sixty thousand dollars in only twenty
three hours for this guy. I don't know. What the
whole story is behind this. But you know, if in fact,

(01:28:12):
this is a guy didn't have a car, you know,
worried about his three kids, thought maybe the safest place
for him would be in a McDonald's. You can debate that.
But to charge them with deprivation of a pair of minors.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Yeah, no, it's it's you know, and it's Augustus, so
you know. It's home of the Masters.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
A bunch.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
They're a little high brow, there are they, right? Well,
Gary players won the Masters and he couldn't get on
to play golf with his grand kid. They wouldn't let
him on. Really, Yeah, he wasn't a member. Yeah, he
was happy about that. Did you see the CNN did
we talked about this?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Bring up?

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
This is an outrage? Okay, I'm glad they got called out.
Trump is announcing uh you know, his day of independence
or a day of what do we call it? What
do we call liberation? Okay, and so big, big announcement.
You know everybody's watching it and thank you and his people,
smart people. They had two screens next to each other.
One was the CNN coverage of his speech, and right

(01:29:07):
next to it, right next to it is a screen
same size, same every dimension, but of Fox.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
News Fox News coverage.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
The bizarre thing happening is in the CNN broadcast, his
face looks orange. And when you when you look at
the Fox the speech on the TV screen that's broadcasting
it from Fox News, his skin looks normal, normal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
So they make him look like orange bandy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
It appears that CNN has an orange filter. I'm looking
at I'm looking at two. The guy's got his phone.
He's filming both of those screens. They're showing the same
exact speech at the same time. But one's on CNN,
one's on Fox. And his face is bright orange on
the CNN screen, and his face is normal colored in
the in the Fox broadcast. If CNN is doing that,

(01:29:55):
I mean, come on, that is just it's just what
par for the course. I just another just another Tuesday
or Wednesday at CNN.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
At CNN, a network nobody watches and may go through
some big changes here, they've already tried to make changes. Yeah.
The only thing that's on there anymore, Greg worth watching
is what Scott Jennings does on that late night time
now you know, gab Fest that they have every night.
And I think Scott Jennings does a really, really good job.

(01:30:25):
I know you don't want to hear this what but
I'm going to share it with you. Anyways. They have
now come out with a list the rank of top
ten snowiest ski resorts in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Why don't I want to hear that? Because you hate
the ten places I will never visit. Let's just call
it that ten places that Greg Hughes will never go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
The past couple of days, hey, we've had some snow
in Little Cottonwood Canyon pushed Alta over the five hundred
inch mark for the season just before they wind down
for the year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Who cares, Yeah, you're out there. No, I'm sure we
have some great you know, skiers, cross country skiing, downhill skiers.
I'm sure this is all good news for a lot
of people. I just want it to be hot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Five hundred and five inches at Alta and at Snowbird
four ninety three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
So where does that rank in the top Are you
talking top ten nationally?

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
We're not even in the top ten. I don't think
top five. We weren't in the top five the top
five were. Let's see a place in Alaska five ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Mount Baker in Washington five point fifty one. Timber Lodge,
Oregon five oh two. So where well, no, that would
put us a number four with Alta at five or five.
It was it last year or two years ago they
had like nine hundred inches up there, that real crazy
winter we had.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
I remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
You know, you know we do need the waters, say
that we're.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Totally at one hundred percent.

Speaker 13 (01:31:52):
We don't need.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
We're over one hundred percent now, we don't need any more.
You never know what's going to happen next year. Yeah, true, Well,
you know, I hope that happens next year. I hope
it's sixty degrees all winter along. That's what I hope.
Oh good, I love it. Yeah, that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
So you're working with me because you won't be able
to bathe. I'm not working with you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
You know, smelling bottle water if you need it, take
a bath and bottled water.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, yeah, sure. I'm telling you you are compleating this
week about having not not having hot water.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I'm telling you there's an aqueduct under my house. I
can just drill down there. I got all the water
I needed.

Speaker 14 (01:32:25):
It, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
That doesn't for us tonight, thank Rodi, it's Friday. I
think Rod and Greg get Friday coming your way tomorrow.
Hand up the shoulder's back, man, God left you and
your family. We'll talk to you tomorrow at four

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