The Rod and Greg Show: Experts & Tariffs; Apple in Utah; Planned Parenthood

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
If it's hot outside, I'm impervious to it. I'm I'm
quite comfortable, right, Yeah, No, I prefer the heat over
the cold any day of the week.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, I'm with you on it. But it's a warm
one out there.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
It is.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, hydrate yourself, stay stay cool.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
But speaking of hot, you like this transition? Yes, have
we got a hot show for you today? You kind
of like that. See, I'm a radio professional. I pick
up on those things. We're going to be talking about
the president's tariffs. Jeff Moss kind of a big deal
in this stadium. Big article on him today in one
of the newspapers.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, former a good friend, former colleague in the House,
was also the majority leader in the House. Just is
now part of a Governor Cox's cabinet. Recent appointment. Yeah,
back and kind of gone Hollywood on us. He's got
a big old expose, like a big old bio in
the paper. Boy, you go over to the executive branch
and all of a sudden, they're making glam shots of
you in the PA. You gives me pretty shots, not

(00:53):
these ugly ones they put of legislators on their newspapers. So, yeah,
he's kind of a big deal now. He's right on
the Governor's Office of Economic Opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, well, we had an economic opportunity developed yesterday with
an announcement by Apple that we are actually going to
get a piece of the apple pie here in the
state of Utah. We'll talk about that, all right. Two
hundred days today or tomorrow. I can't a lost count
Donald Trump has been in office. What is your favorite
accomplishment of Donald Trump's You don't have to say now,

(01:22):
but just start thinking about that because we want to
hear from our listeners today. I mean, two hundred days. Man,
it's gone by fast, and man, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, it's I would call it an embarrassment of riches, Okay,
I would say that he has tackled the He's taken
on the status quo in so many different ways and
important and substantive ways. And so there's a lot to
consider when you want to say, what's your number one win? Yeah,
out of really a lot of wins.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Two hundred days of wins.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
For the lost part, we can't keep a news cycle
set from morning to four pm because he's winning all
day long. I'm not tired of it, by the way
at all. Yeah, but no, I think that's a good
discussion with our listeners. I would like to know what
our listeners see as his greatest accomplishment thus far. There's
a lot more to go, a lot more of this
of this term to uh to keep winning. But what

(02:08):
so far are you most happy to have seen done?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
And those just a few of the items we'll be
talking about today. Oh, are one of our favorite politicians,
Jasmine Crockett, is being ripped apart by members of her
staff in a New York Post story today. I tell
you what, man, they are having a field day with
this lady, and it doesn't look good for Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, you know what, there is something weird when you
see there are Remember when people go to Congress is
as little as they do or as bad as they
do it, the egos go through the roofs. There are
people that I knew that they became members of Congress,
none that are currently serving today, but people that I've
known that I knew. I thought I knew him for
a long time. But when they got into Congress, they
they kind of again went Hollywood on me. They've got

(02:54):
kind of like they thought they're a really big deal
and Anyway, I think there's a there is a lot
of hubris in Washington generally, and so it does not
surprise me that congress Woman Crockett is full of it
and she's hard to work for and with.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Kind of rubbed her staff the wrong way, and they're
letting her have it.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
That is so funny. Yeah, I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, they said the same thing about Kamala.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Remember Kamala is staurnover within the first couple of years.
I mean, not a very good stat to have. And look,
it doesn't surprise me. And I again, if you're going
to come loaded for bear and you got all this
vim and vigor every time you're in front of a camera,
I don't know how you become, you know, a humane
and nice loss. I just think that all that just

(03:38):
gets carried over to the office and everything else.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
It does well a concern that people have had here
in the state. Greg, I think you share this concern
with me, and I've heard other people say it that
Utah is constantly referred to as one of the reddest
of red states. Yes, would you would you agree with
me on that? Yes, a conservative state. There's a real
strong conservative core to this state. But there are concerns

(04:04):
out there now that we are become more of a
moderate state. We're as strongly as conservative as we would
like to be and be considered.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And the big dichotomy is this, if you look at
the math, and a lot of people judge it by
re voter registration. If you have a state like Utah
where where the large majority of registered voters affiliate as Republicans,
then it's fair to say that's a Republican state. But
then when you look at the policies or the leaders
that we elect and their voices and their messages work

(04:34):
against Republican processing initiatives, whatever it may be issues, that's
where the confusion sets in. And we always get this,
we get we do this, these voices that are working
against the what President Trump wants, what the Congress wants,
what states, Republican states want. And then you get someone

(04:57):
from Utah that gets a national stage to to republican
on Republican violence. You know you're going to rip up
your other Republicans. And then the media, the regime media
wants to make you a hero. They only have one
definition of a statesman. You know what it is a Republican.
The attacks and other Republican. That's all they know.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well that, so along comes First District Congressman Blake Moore,
who is my congressman. By the way, I live in
the first district. I think he lives there, or at
least he's elected to represent. We haven't figured that one
out yet, but here he comes out today attacking Republicans
and Texans in this whole Jerry Mandarin redistrict tissue, giving

(05:36):
the the the legacy media in this country exactly what
they want. Like you said, are Republican attacking other Republicans?
Here he comes.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I don't know, And maybe listeners you're more clued in
on this than I am. But I don't know another
member of Congress, Republican member of Congress that has condemned
this Texas governor, Governor Abbott or the Republican Texas leg
for what they're doing. He is Blake Moore decided in
the Salt Fake Tribune to fall firmly on the side

(06:07):
of Democrats and say and condemn what Texas is doing.
And I'm going to tell you that that you've got
members of our delegation, members of Congress that are representing
districts in Utah that have been supportive of the governor
in Texas and the legislature in Texas and the Speaker
of the Howe in the United States House of Representatives,
who've also who has also expressed support for the for

(06:31):
Texas and their leadership there. For what they're doing it
it throws them under the bus or puts them out
on a thin limb that the that the regime media
can say, Look, Congressman More has a conscience and he's
a statesman and he doesn't agree with this. Oh, but
you have my you have Center Lee that agrees with it,
and you have and you can rattle off the Utah
delegation that agrees with who, with the President Trump, with

(06:52):
the Speaker of the House as Johnson, with all of us,
because we're trying to gain some ground here where the
Democrats have gainedry mandering, they've gained this process up so
much and we have got to be strong coming back.
And he attacks that, are you kidding me? And he's
supposed to be a member of that of House leadership.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm just going to bring up he is a member
of House leadership. And he steps out and says, well,
you know, I get this. This is an exact quote
I get emotional about this. It's something that I believe,
strongly believe in. What do you believe in? Do everything
the Democrats tell you to do, because that's exactly what
are he's saying today.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know, they I don't know if he's keeping score,
but they've all jerrymandered every blue state and written every
Republican seat out of those states. If he wants to
clutch pearls and be upset about redistricting, he needs to
go to those to take his story to the blue
states that kicked all the Republican congressional districts out over
the last twenty years or more. Go there and make

(07:50):
that case. I mean, how he is coming against Texas
and what they're doing right now. That state legislature and
that governor has every single right in the world as
a state to have read districting and they can do it,
and they should. And you know these other states, these
other blue states, they've they've mangled these districts and they've
concorded them their advantage. And and the problem that the

(08:11):
Democrats have until a Republican comes along to try and
bail them out, is that they can't play, you know,
fight fire with fire. Because they've already gamed up all
of their states. They don't have any they don't have
the headroom to get more because Republicans haven't haven't done that.
But these districts too in Texas are very interesting in
that they are Hispanic majority Hispanic districts which not long

(08:32):
ago you could say are Democrat districts. Why are the
Democrats throwing up their white flags saying these are Republican
districts and walking away from the redistricting they those were,
those were a base for them not long ago. And
so you let Texas and their legislature and their states
rights do what they want to do, which I think
is appropriate. Don't you're going to team up with the Democrats?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Greg, He had stepped right into their trap. This is
exactly what they were looking for. I'm surprised this had
got more national attention because, as you said earlier, as
far as I'm aware, this is the only Republican I've
heard so far nationwide, Yes, who has been critical of
what the Texas Republicans are doing. He's the only one.
What's it? Want? You want to show up on MSNBC tonight?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Who his audience is. Yeh, on this. I even if
he if for some reason he had some you know,
he didn't think this was right, keep it to your
I mean, why do you want to aid? And I
bet the Democrats right now when they are having so
much trouble and really we're we're actually taking some strong
advantages that Democrats have been doing against Republicans in their
owns in all of these states that are Republicans that

(09:41):
don't have any representation in these congressional districts because they've
been gerrymandered. You have finally, the state of Texas is
looking at this in a time where it's such a
narrow majority. Let that state do what that state wants
to do. It's not your statement. Why do you got it?
Why are you going to make this public statement? It
is you know, I just and then that's where Utah
then gets this national reputation of where we find you, Yeah, Republicans,

(10:05):
then we name Republicans who wants to help the Democrats.
Be the Democrats useful idiots. I cannot believe every time
we start to make some progress, you got to have
some Republican out there, you know, pearl clutching and saying
the Democrats are right and the Republicans are wrong. Yeah,
give me a break.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Thank you, Blake Moore. All right, more coming up. We're
charged up and ready to go on this Thursday afternoon,
The Rod and Gregg Show on Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs. We want you to tell us what
you think is his best achievement so far? Is biggest,
biggest accomplishment so far in two hundred days in office?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
What's your favorite? It's like going to Baskin Robbins thirty
two flavors, switch ice cream flavors, your favor. What is
the best thing he's done? Is it the tax relief?
I mean, we had all these trillion dollars plus of
tax increases head in our way. If he can't get
that those votes out of Congress did that? Told Congress, hey,
I got a lot of money. You guys sent me
a recision bills to day take back a billion plus

(11:01):
someone to take that back. That's pretty good. Got a
border that's closed. Finally, after all these years, you got
global trade agreements that are being forged me. You got
onshore investment of companies that left the country coming back.
It's exhausting to keep and I'm not I'm not tired.
I say it's exhausting, but it's it's a good kind

(11:22):
of tire.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
And we may talk a little bit about the loser who.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm glad you said it, not me. You know, I've
been hot about this since I read this morning today.
I was raging. I was raging this morning.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Also, we need to mention we have a good little
diddy coming up a little bit later on this show.
We think you'll enjoy this about the Russian hoaes. It's
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Speaker 1 (11:49):
I think it should be a permanent bumper song for us,
a bumper music song till we see justice. We need
to keep playing the song.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, we'll we'll do that now. One of the accomplishments,
of course Donald Trump are the terriffts, the amount of
money that's coming in. He's using the tariffs to kind
of I think, reshape the global economy, and I think
he's doing a good job at that right now. Well,
normally our next guest talks about guns. John Lott, right, yep,
But we didn't realize he was an economist. Yeah, very

(12:17):
really very good economists credentialed. Yes he is. And he said, Hey,
the experts, when are you going to admit that you
are wrong about Trump's tariffs? John, what are your thoughts
on the tarriffs? What do you say?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, it seems to me that a lot of the
economists are making a simple error a couple of suppliers
when it comes to discussing the trade issue. You know,
traditionally economists want to have zero tariffs. They say it
causes you know, inefficiencies, causes people not to make trades

(12:51):
that they would have made previously. And that's all exactly right.
The thing is, that's true for all taxes. Bales taxes
the same thing. Income taxes make it so people don't
sell as much of their labor as they would have otherwise.
Corporate taxes go and reduce output that's there, and reduce

(13:13):
investment and innovation. All those taxes have the exact same
negative effects. And the thing is, the other thing economists
understand is that the size of those bad effects is
related to the tax. If you have a twenty percent tax,
the size of the disincentives that are there are going

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to be more than twice as large than if you
have a ten percent tax. And so you know, prior
to Trump getting into office, the average tariff that the
United States placed on imports was two and a half percent.
By contrast, if you look at the top marginal income

(13:56):
tax rate for federal and the average for state, it's
almost forty seven percent. The average corporate income tax for
federal and state is about twenty seven percent, So those
those are much higher. Now, I don't know whether fifteen
percent is the right tax rate for tariffs, but it

(14:20):
seems pretty clear to me that two and a half
percent is pretty low. And you know, what you want
to do as an economist is to try to make
sure that kind of the marginal bad effect across all
those different types of taxes is equalized. And you don't
want it to be really high in one tax and

(14:42):
low and another. You want to go and balance them off.
And so, I mean, I'm not thrilled about tariffs, but
I'm not thrilled about any tax and you just you
want to go And you know, it's not obvious to
me why it is that bonomus have viewed tariffs as

(15:02):
so different than all the other types of taxes we have.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
So I have a question, you know, you ring up
such a great case that all taxes are like this,
so it's almost like a value added tax for talking
about that that you would that that tariffs are for
those things that are coming in. Let me ask you,
you know, we don't know what the right with the
sweet spot is, but it seems like President Trump has
been open to the negotiations and trade agreements where he's
even willing to flex what that tariff would look like,

(15:29):
what kind of investment would happen on shore in the
United States. I guess my question is are you surprised
because I'm seeing numbers of revenue that's arriving through tariffs
that is much more robust than what I think anyone predicted.
Is that a good sign? Or is that something that
that is too high and we should be negotiating more
lower tariffs and more maybe on shore manufacturing.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Right Well, you know a lot of this discussion about
creating jobs so I think is misplaced. You basically have
two types of things that happen with tariffs. One is
obviously it's going to go and cause you to produce
things that you otherwise wouldn't have done. But it's also

(16:16):
going to make it so that other things that you
would have produced, you're not going to produce. So if
I have a fifty tariff on steel, Let's say you know,
steel producers in the United States are going to produce
more steel, and you can argue that their benefits from that.
You may not want to be buying your steel from China,
or you know, or your computer tips from them or

(16:40):
other things like that. You know your rare earth elements
that are there. But on the other hand, some of
the producers who you steal in their production are going
to find their costs are going to be higher, and
maybe the exports that they would have had with their products,
they're not going to be able to export as much.
Gonna have it. You're not going to produce necessarily more jobs,

(17:04):
but you'll change the mix. And what you need to
do is concentrate on things that you know. Maybe you
don't want to be dependent upon China or something, but
it's not You're not going to be able to go
and just increase jobs across the board that's going to
be there. That's one important thing. You got to think
hard about what ones you want to do now with

(17:24):
regard to the revenue that's there. I guess that's not
so much what I look at. I mean, obviously, the
fact that they may be bringing in more revenue than
they thought indicates that you didn't have as large of
a reduction in trade from the tariffs as one might

(17:45):
have thought to begin with. The thing is, though, there's
short run and long run differences in that, and so
you may be able to raise attacks very high and
bring in a lot of revenue in the short but
the longer you give people to adjust. Let's say I'm

(18:06):
producing a product and you're taxing something that I use
to make that product, I may not be able to
go and get a lot of substitutes very quickly for that.
But the longer you give me, you know, I'll switch
to something else and you'll get less revenue on that.
That's my guess. I wouldn't look at the short run

(18:28):
that you know, revenue that we get is a great predictor,
maybe not super far off, we really don't know, but
it's not a great predictor of how much you're going
to be getting in terms of revenue a year from now.
To me, though, it's not the you know, the revenue
is important in one sense, and that is one thing

(18:50):
that Trump has talked about many times is going and
using the revenue from the tariffs to go and reduce
other taxes. I think given how high the rates that
we have for other taxes and how relatively low the
tariffs have been, and I think that makes some sense. Obviously,

(19:12):
the amount of revenue that you're gonna get is going
to help determine how much you're going to be able
to go and make that type of transition.

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Speaker 1 (20:32):
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It's going to be good, yeah, But what's even better
right now is joining us on the program is Jeff Moss.
My friend Jeff Moss. He was up until just recently
he was a member of the Utah State House of Representatives.
He served as majority whip as well as the majority Leader.

(20:56):
He switched teams. He left the legislative branch, went over
there to that ex executive branch. But I didn't know
this Rod. But and folks, I saw an article they
wrote about Jeff Fross. It's like a People magazine, Uh,
you know, like profile thing like that. It's all nice.
It's got beautiful pictures of you, Jeff. You know, as
a legislator, they make you look like a toad. But

(21:18):
I guess if you go to the governor's office, you're
all the You're all the rage. You're kind of a
big deal.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Talk of the town man. Wow, Jeff, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
What a great way to be introduced you.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
So, folks, this you are now a member of the cabinet.
You're a director of the Office of Economic Opportunity. This
is in your wheelhouse. This is an area that you
spent a lot of focus on as a lawmaker, a
legislative leader. So it's a it's a shift, but you're
working kind of in a place that you've always you've
always done well. We have two questions. One is really
about this big announcement from Apple. But before we get there,

(21:52):
talk to me about why you made this switch. It's
it was a mid term decision or you know, you've
left your term. You were serving as a majority leader
in the House and you took this post, maybe share
with us what the thought process was there and what
you see as the opportunity for Utah in this field
of the economic opportunity.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah, well, thank you, and I will just start by
saying it was a pleasure to serve with you Greg
in the house and it was really fun and I
really love the people in the house. And I missed
out the most is the camaraderie with my colleagues there.
Now this opportunity the governor had talked to me about
potentially this opportunity. I've spent a lot of my career

(22:34):
kind of in different places within this realm, helping on
venture capital, you know, helping launch a venture fund, helping
to drive commercialization. I've been involved in a lot of
policy that helps to drive economic development activity, whether that
be workforce, AI energy, and as I was kind of

(22:55):
looking forward where I was going to go with the legislature,
I felt like likely this was going to be my
last term. I did enjoy it, but I don't think
we should be up there forever. And I was coming
up on ten years. So this opportunity came up, and
I just thought it was a good way for me
to kind of leverage the different things I've been doing
and also help kind of put a stamp going forward.

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I really am focused on innovation, commercialization, how do we
really bring more alignment across the different activities that are
happening in the state. And having that legislative experience having
served on a number of these boards, I just felt
like it could be a great way for me to
kind of finish out my public service is helping in
this position. So it's been great. I will say it
is hard not being in the All of our colleagues

(23:38):
were out of a conference last week and it was
hard not being there, but really excited about the new opportunity.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Jeff big announcement from Apple yesterday. What did Utah do
or what are we doing, Jeff in your opinion for
this state to deserve a piece of that Apple ply?

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah, I think there's a number of factors.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean, Utah has.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Been leaning in and I say former Speaker Hughes here
leaning in pretty aggressively on making Utah a great destination
for manufacturing. The things we've been doing with the inland
port I think are going to be a big contributor
to that. I think our regulatory environment is we talk about,
you know, obviously within any business activity, but especially around
this sector, the tech sector, AI manufacturing supply chain. I

(24:20):
think we've been very aggressive making sure that we have
a great place for Utah to do business. And you know,
we've always been a pretty big manufacturing sector. It's been
a big part of our economy. But with this, you know,
everything that's happening with with on shoring, with some of
the concerns around national security wanting to bring more of
that back. I think Utah has positioned very well to

(24:43):
be able to capture that. And that's not just in
terms of incentive, that's a part of it, but workforce.
Every time I talk to manufacturing, the fact that we
have a very good workforce here, a young population I
think is a big part of that. And then just
a very business friendly environment. I think those are the
reasons that we're going to start seeing a lot more
of this. We've been successful with data centers, we've been
successful with other tech firms, but now really you look

(25:06):
at this through the lens of obviously manufacturing, but also
critical materials and critical minerals. Utah has forty of the
top fifty critical minerals that are critical for the energy side,
but including in that a lot of what we're going
to be doing is going to help support this as
Utah becomes more aggressive on our mining as well.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
So you know what, and thank you, you do get it,
and you see how these all the economy kind of
moves together in these different sectors, how they blend together.
Apple is one of the largest corporate citizens in the
United States. It's an important it's an important company, and
their leadership is important. That's why Tim Cook was in
the Oval office yesterday. They have different needs. So there's

(25:47):
going to be a glass company that they're building. I
think it's in what kintutraphy. I'm not sure specifically if
it's working. Was it microchips that they're working with here
in Utah. But what always seems to happen, Jeff, is
when you have a manufacturer, you have a presence like
that of surrounding businesses that may be involved in that
industry may grow because you have a corporate citizen like

(26:10):
Apprile arrive, or new companies may come to Utah to
because they work with or supply a company like Apple.
What does the horizon look like for Utah in terms
of the growth of companies or the arrival of new
companies when you have a big player like Apple arrive
in our state.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Yeah, well, and you know, i'd compare it maybe to
North of Kroma when they came and the ripple effect
of how many subcontractors businesses around that, new startups to
your point, like, there's going to be new companies, they're
going to see this as a great place to do business.
Really as a result, I mean, Texas instrument is already
obviously a big player in our state. They just committed
a lot of resources to the state. To couple that

(26:51):
with Apple, it really puts us on more of a
national stage, and I think you will see a lot
of companies that come directly because of having that proceroximity
to those companies, both Apple and to Texas Instruments.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, Jeff, great news. I know we could talk a
lot about this, but we appreciate your time and hopefully
we'll be talking more down the road.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
Thanks Jeff, great thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Thanks a lot, Jeff Moss joining us on our any
hour Newsmaker line. Good news. I didn't realize we have
forty of the top fifty critical minerals in this state.
Question is can we get to them.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I know we're going to need a lot of deregulation
of enviros have absolutely locked those up for good. It's
going to be very difficult, but we have to do it.
We can't depend on China Ford, No, we can't.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
All right, more coming up on the Roden greg Show
and Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
So I'm looking at the headline. There's a couple of
things we want to talk to our list to listeners
about today. One is, because it's a two hundred day
mark of President Trump's second term, there is a plethora
of accomplishments of policy victories that have happened in two
hundred days. So we're kind of curious what it is
that's standing out to you as you think the biggest

(27:57):
win is it the big beautiful bill? Is it the
tax relief? And really the really being that over one
point six trillion dollars of tax increases didn't happen. We
were able to stave those off, plus the other things
that are in the bill, including border security. Is it
the border itself and how enforcing the law miraculously has
closed the border and the work that's being done there
with deportion, deportations and removals. Is it the realignment of

(28:21):
global trade agreements? Is that the big win? Do you
have a favorite like like going to you know, going
to the ice Ham story. Do you have a favorite
favorite flavor?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I'll weigh in right now. No second question. Second question
if you don't like the first. If it's so good,
it's like picking from your kids. You can't even pick
which one you love the most because you love them all.
I feel that way. I'm reading the headline from the
Tribune this morning. Represent Blake Moore, a member of GOP leadership,
dennounces Texas gerrymandering scheme and like Congressman Blake Moore as

(28:56):
a member of House Leadership, strangely parting ways with Speaker Johnson,
President Trump, every Republican I know, certainly the Republicans in
the Utah Delegation and condemning uh the actions of the
Texas Texas Governor Greg Abbott and the Republican Texas Legislature
and taking the side of the Democrats. And this, I I,

(29:17):
this one boils my blood. Maybe I'm overreacting. I'd love
to know if this is something that concerns you our listeners,
or if you have a take on this headline because
I do.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I really, I got news flash in just got it
from his office. He's changing parties. Yeah, no, I wouldn't
be surprised, but I tell you, for.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
The other team, go ahead. I was at a dinner
that Tommy Losorta was at, the late Tommy Lasorta, and
he said, look, if I ask you a bunt and
you don't and the other team wins, go and learn
their locker room and shower, you just help them. If
you can't help us, then go go go with the
other team in shower with them, because you help them win.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
The key point that people need to understand he is
in house leadership. Yes, he's like what fourth ranked among
House leadership. There has not been that I'm aware of.
Maybe our listeners are of a Republican anywhere in the
country who has come out and criticized what Republicans and
Governor Abbott are doing down in the state of Texas
except one from Utah, which everybody considers to be the

(30:20):
reddest of red states. And then you have this congressman,
a Republican speaking out and saying, you know, what they're
doing down in Texas, that's just not very nice. I
get emotional about this. I mean, that's what he actually
said in the paper today. He gets emotional about this.
How about getting emotionally get mad at the Democrats for
what they've been doing this all forever.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Here's a little detail he misses, okay, because it says
he says he doesn't agree with this. He says it
undermines the established norms and gives blue states a glaring
green light to do the same. Newsflash, they already did it.
You can't get any more than they've gained it.

Speaker 7 (30:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
You might be able to get it. You might be
able to eke out California, might be able to eke
out five more here, or you might be able to
get all of the congressional districts in what Maryland or
something like that. But if you look at other red states,
if they acted, if they went and redrew, there would
be far more because they haven't gained it the way
the Democrats have. The Democrats have done this time and
time again. Republicans haven't. And there's no tit for tat

(31:21):
here because Democrats can't gain what they already gained. They've
already done it. They have shot their ammo on this one.
And I just it's just frustrating for me to have
someone that is on the Republican Republican leadership, and it
actually puts our other members of other members of Congress,
because we only have four districts. It puts them out
on a thin limbon when they have already expressed support

(31:41):
for the Texas Governor Greg Abbott and the Texas Republican Legislature.
They support the state doing what they think is right.
They've made those comments publicly. So Blake Moore now is
in opposition to the other members of our Utah delegation.
How does that help Utah in our ability as a
presence in Congress to get something done.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
It doesn't. It doesn't. Someone broke this down to today, Greg.
If both parties and this could happen right now, go
full scorched earth in the redistricting battle. Here's a breakdown
of what would happen. Democratic gains. They'd gained nine in California.
Well there were only say, yeah, nine in California. They'd
gain one in Maryland and one in Oregon. Okay, so

(32:21):
total of eleven. Right, here's what happened. If Republicans went
full sports, Texas would pick up six. This move they're making.
Now they get about five, Florida would pick up an
additional five, Ohio plus three, Indiana plus two, and then
one plus one for Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky. The end result,

(32:43):
Republicans would net gain eight seats. Yeah, so if you
want to go full scorts diarth on this, this what
could happen.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
So this is the glaring green light for them to
do it. Oh just keep keep, you know, clutching your
pearls and being afraid and being you know, I hate
to be this hard, but the Democrats miraculously find a
Republican useless idiot to put out there and tell everybody,
you know, look, Republican hates the rest of the Republicans.
The Republicans condemning the other Republicans. They always can find

(33:13):
someone that's going to do their bidding for them, and
Blake Moore is their guy. And I'll tell you what,
I haven't seen it nationally yet. I shudder to think.
I pray this stays into the regime media of the
our state media alone. But you know, why would it.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
If he wants to be a superstar on MSNBC and CNN,
now's his chance. Oh yeah, and if they pick up. Yeah,
you and I are both because this came out this morning.
We talked about this this morning. I'm surprised someone nationally
hasn't picked up on this yet because, like I've said
a couple of times already today, I believe he's the
first Republican to come out against what the Republicans in

(33:49):
Texas lawmakers and the governor are doing down there. I
believe he is.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, I don't know if anyone.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
And I don't know he's reasoning behind all this.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
You know, he was part of the Better Boundaries, you know,
and twenty eighteen before he got elected, he was part
of that. You know, they wanted a independent commission. You
know what an independent commission is because they're only pushed
in Republican states. They're leftists that are not of the
same party that the people elected by the body of
legislators state legislators. So if you have people that vote

(34:19):
for Republicans to be in the legislature, and it's the
legislature's job to redistrict, therein lies your process. But when
Democrats are on the wrong side of that, that's when
they want these independent commissions because they want people that
are left of Senators start drawing districts. They can't win
at the ballot box in the legislative race, No.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
They cannot. All right, folks, the time is George. You
can come in on the Blake Moore announcement, his decision,
his comments on what's going on with redistricting and Jerry
Mandarin or two hundred days for Donald Trump Trump two
point zero? What are some What is your favorite accomplishment?
Greg and I will share what we think it's best
when we come back right here on the rot In
Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine

(34:57):
knrs Thursday afternoon are open to you now. We're talking
about two issues, two hundred days of win, win and
more win for Donald Trump. What is your favorite accomplishment
that the president has done so far? The list is long.
We'd like to hear from you. And we're talking about
Utah Congressman Blake Moore. For some unknown reason, he has

(35:18):
decided to attack fellow Republicans in Texas in this whole
redistricting jerrem manding, Jerro Mandarin battle, Gary Manner.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
The President. You know, it's just it's breaking that the
FBI has agreed to track down the A wall. You know,
Texas Democrats who fled the state to block the redrawing
of the Texas congressional maps. Is Blake Moore now going
to call Cash Pattel and tell him he's mad at him?
Is now? How much would Blake Moore like to oppose
the Trump administration, the FBI, Cash Battel, the Speaker of

(35:49):
the House, Johnson? I mean, what is he doing? And
so either one of these issues fave accomplishment in the
first two hundred days, or uh, maybe you have some
insight or commentary on Congress, Utah Congress and Blake Moore
condemning Democrat Republican Greg Abbott governor and the legislature, the

(36:10):
Texas La Republican Legislature.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Let's go the phone to Read is in Salt Lake
City wants to share his views with us tonight. Read.
How are you welcome to the Rod and Greg show?

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Doing great?

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (36:22):
I will listen to your show on the way home.
And I listened to Gutfeld at night. Keeps my blood
pressure down and my mood happy.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
So good.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
Thank Here here's my thing on why isn't Blake mard.
Gutfaild pointed this out last night that Massachusetts has nine
congressional districts. They did districts, so there's nine Democrats, zero Republicans,
yet over a third thirty six percent of Massachusetts voted

(36:50):
for Trump. ILLINOI the place they're going to teach you
want to talk about pure hypocrisy. They have seventeen congressional seats,
only three Republicans and almost forty it's like forty three,
forty four percent of Illinois borded for Trump. Democrats do
this all the time, and Blake Moore got to stop
being such a hypocrite and say, why aren't you calling
the states out Exactly right. I just get so sick

(37:12):
and tired of these Republicans who just backstab. They're all
like Robney, and they call it virtue. I just call
it weak and pathetic because they want the mainstream media
to like them.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I think, yeah, that could be mat read your spot
on We're wondering the same question as well. Let's go
to Dave and Cash Valley tonight. So you what Dave
has to say about this? Dave, how are you welcome
to the show?

Speaker 8 (37:35):
Yeah, thanks for taking my call. I heard about Blake
more on your show, so well, first thing I want
to say is is, yeah, I think the greatest accomplishment
in the first two hundred days prison Trump is the border,
without question, and what he's doing to trying to get
the illegals back to their home countries. The other thing

(38:00):
is about Blake Moore. This is the result of a
congressman elected by plurality. He wasn't elected by majority. And
this is a result of SB fifty four, which we
need to change again, back to the system the way
it was, and we would get more Congressmen and senators

(38:22):
like Senator Lee. But yeah, as far as Blake Moore goes,
he reminds me he got elected because he's good looking.
He's like the student body president who's popular and good looking,
but nobody really knows what he stands for. And I
was just so I immediately after I heard it on

(38:42):
your show, I immediately sent him an email and told him
how disappointed I was with him, and I hope, thank you,
all of your listeners will do the same.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, good point, Dave. You're exactly right. It's a disappointment.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
It is on so many levels because again, you only
have four members of Congress representing Utah, and you need
to be have a unified front on the issues that
we've faced a state. When you get out there and
say I'm condemning the Democrat Republican governor and legislature for
this redistricting, when you have colleagues who've already expressed their support,
as President Trump has in others members of Congress from

(39:13):
Utah that have also supported them, you're putting them out
on a thin list. And and and it's it's so unnecessary,
and it's it's it's detrimental.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Indeed, a member of the House Leadership team.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, I know how.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I wonder what Mike Johnson thinks about that.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'd love to know too. Okay, let's go to Jason,
who's been patiently waiting from avon that avon Jason, where
are you from? All right, Jason, welcome to the program.
What do you what do you think about all this?

Speaker 9 (39:48):
You know, me as the truth bombers.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Oh that's right stuff, yeah, Papa Stump, uh.

Speaker 9 (39:58):
Yeah, old Trumper man. The big beautiful bombs of Iran.
I mean, how do you how do you put a
price on that? Taking out the nuclear option in the
Middle East? That like that, uh man? To me, that's
right up there with preventing a holocaust. Yeah, yeah, and

(40:24):
and and so that's international and and I bit the
cheese with Blake Moore too. He's turned purple. We thought
he was read, but he's turned purple. I don't know
that that's a bad thing, but he's going to pay
a price for that.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
He put himself out there, Yeah, he sure did, Jason,
You're right, he put himself out there. Uh. And again
we're we're scratching our heads as to white because, like
like we've said before, if you just tuneing in, Blake
Moore announced being very critical today of Texas Republicans and
the governor Abbott down there in this whole redistricting Jerry
Mandarin's story, very critical of him, and we're saying, yet

(41:02):
he's fourth in House leadership. I mean, you know what's
going on. And we need a united front on this
because the Democrats have one, the Republicans and conservatives need
one as well.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
You've got in the media in this town just this
assault Lake Tribuna article. They just dive on this. So
you need to know the definition of the regime, media
and leftists of what a statesman is is. It's a
Republican that fights and obstructs another Republican that's a statesman.
They will they have no version of that when it's Democrats.
If you see a Democrat like Fetterman push against his

(41:34):
own party, they will never frame that as statesmanship and
as statesman. They never will. It is only the John
McCain versus George W. Bush. It is the you know,
it's the Mitt Romney against Donald Trump. They will always
take a Republican that goes against another Republican and herald
them as some hero some heroes, and it's just it's

(41:54):
it's just such a tired game that they play.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
All right, more of your calls and comments coming up
eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero
more coming up on the Rotten Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Let's go back to the phone. So you've got good
listeners that have been patiently waiting on hold. Let's go
to how and Tuilla Howe, Thank you for waiting. Welcome
to the rot and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Thanks, good to have you back. Hey, Thanks, I'm I'm
just My comment is, you know, this is another our
latest Utah rhino that we have, and I think you
need to either if they've appealed to his vanity, they've appealed,
you know, he named a price and they paid it,
or you know, it's for power. That's all the Democrats

(42:39):
are about. Funny power, first money, and then you know vanity.
And I think, I mean they're doing it. I think
you'll find your answer. Everybody's saying, well, we're scratching our
hands trying to figure out why, well he's flipping Democrats.
It has to be one of those three things.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
All right, Hell, thanks, I agree, of course. Question I
have on that, why don't Utah voters, who we consider
be pretty smart voters, right for the most part, Why
don't they see through when they when a rhino shows
up like that? Why don't they see it?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
You know, I think that what Blake Moore he's I've
always I've always interpreted him to be more moderate in disposition.
But you didn't have a glaring issue. He was very
highly unknown. I mean, it was an open seat and
I think one of our callers pointed out he was
you know, he used to be the quarterback for USU,
and he had the you know, young and good looks.
But I don't know that there was a lot known
about him. This move here, I mean, I don't want

(43:35):
it to become a national story. I'd love it to
stay between us here and the family, because I don't
want Utah embarrassed by it. But this is something that
I don't know how he talks to his constituents that
he is looking out for them when he is countering
all the efforts that this that Republicans are trying to
do with President Trump, with Congress, even in our own state,
he undermines his fellow colleagues that serve in that same Congress.

(43:57):
So he's got some explain to do here. And I
don't know that there's been such a Glens issue like
this that he's had that kind of revealed who he is.
Let's go back, Let's go to Ed, who's been waiting
in Lehi. Ed, thank you for holding. Welcome to the show.
What say you, sir?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Well?

Speaker 10 (44:13):
I agree with your last caller. I think that Congress
Moore's kind of a purple rhino. We seem to like
to elect those in this state. I don't know why.
I'm not really impressed with Senator Curtis Uh. It's kind
of a He's a little bit better than Romney, but
not by much. And if you think about it, if

(44:34):
the Salt Lake area Democrats had their way, they'd take
the Salt Lake metro area and they'd circle that and
they call that their district. And we never have a
Republican representative for that district.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, and your mind, and you're right. I when I
served in the legislature in the twenty ten redistrict, thing
they called the donut and they whole and they want
and they wanted to They wanted an they wanted their
own seat that would stay in Democrat hands forever and
would be free to vote as liberal as possible because
they didn't have any of the other constituencies. And you
taught to answer to what the legislature did in ten

(45:08):
and in twenty is with only four they wanted every
one of those members of Congress to have an urban, suburban,
and rural constituency so that which are issues with which
I told this state confronts, all the members of Congress
would would all confront those same issues so that they
would create the cohesiveness in working together because you're not
there's not many of us compared to other states.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
You know, that donut hole they've won to create the
Democrats here in this state. Would Blake Moore call that
Jerry Mandarin?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, would he I. It's a very good question because
they have they have screamed for that for twenty years.
They want that donut hole so they can own a
seat and never have to worry about a Republican ever owned,
you know, running, you know running or being successful there
all of our seats. Look when twenty ten after our redistricting,
we had Matheson, he was a Democrat. He stayed. It's
not like he got drawn out, but he did have

(45:58):
a different he had all those different constituents. He had
the answer to going after this redistricting that way. It's
just it is, there's no upside to it, no upside
in all downside.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
All right, more coming up here on the Rod and
Greg Show in Utah's talk radio one oh five Die
in cannais Thursday afternoon. We're having a little bit of
a technical problem. That's a radio term, by the way,
with our talkback line that we can't let people hear
what they say, but the system also transcribes what they
asked to say, so we want to read a few
of those. This is hi, Rod and Greg. First thing,

(46:33):
if Blake Moore is going to be like this, we
need to primary him out in the next election. And secondly,
my favorite thing about Donald Trump this go around is
the fact that he just continues to make Democrats melt
down every single day. That just brings me joy to
my heart more than anything else on the planet.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah. You know, honestly, I love our listeners because I
had in my mind my favorite, you know, my favorite
moment accomplishment, and then every time I hear this one
or that one of the big beautiful bombs that I
ran or I mean, there's just so many good ones.
It's hard to pick your favorite.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah. Two reasons why Blake Moore would go against what
Texas is doing. There's a check in the mail from
the Democratic Party or blackmail.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I'm telling man, I'm telling you it's anyone's guess is
because mine. But I always felt like he was moderate
in approach. But I think this declaration of his so
and unnecessary. It's not like a vote he had to
make or not mad. He just voluntarily went out there
and took a sharp stick and stuck it in the
eye of Governor Greg Abbott and the Texas legislature. And

(47:40):
I would say President Trump, who supports what Texas is
doing and everybody else and his own his own colleagues
serve in Congress with him. I think that this is
it's not leadership. He's a member of leadership and I
and it's it's begging the question as to why, because
that's not the way a leader acts.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Well, we mentioned this couple of times that we have
a little diddy for you tonight. It's on the Russian hopes, okay,
and everything that's been going on, and it continues each
and every day. Well, we look back at nineteen eighty three,
an old great rocket roll song by Huey Lewis, and
turned to that to help us sing about the Russian.

Speaker 11 (48:17):
Hopes wan'clock in the morning. That's amally good, help.

Speaker 7 (48:32):
The good, believe, So they concede.

Speaker 12 (48:38):
Jas we help them off.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Went ding. They tried to rig the election, and they
got caught and they should be very severe consequences.

Speaker 9 (48:58):
The leader of these was a lot.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
To saying, Obama, have you heard of him?

Speaker 4 (49:02):
This was treason.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
They tried to steal the election.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
They tried to escape the election.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
It's the most unbelievable thing I think I've ever read.
I really like that. I thought that was very well done,
saw Huey Lewis years I think it was down stadium
of fire that plays rocked. I mean he just played good,
great rock and roll music and this kind of a
parody song using his great hit We.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Caught them all. He hits the Russian Traders exposed. We
got to indict. I love that song. I'm I'm putting
into the suggestion a jar I'd like that to be
a regular bumper music song. Yeah, Obama's Russian host.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
We'll try and get that Obamas. Oh, we have not
talked about this yet, but Jasmine Crockett, identified as one
of the future leaders of the Good Democratic Party, is
getting ripped today. Yes, my former member of her staff
they call her the boss from Hell.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well, what's funny about former members of her staff? She's
not been there long. No, she has not a long
standing member of Congress. And yet you have, you already
have a graveyard of former staffers ready to come public,
go public and say that she's a monster to work for.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, she yells at him. She doesn't even work in
her own congressional offense. Apparently she has some luxury plates
there in DC. That's where she spends almost all of
her time, never coming into the office. And as one
age said, all diva no wow. Yeah, all diva, no diva.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I'm glad that's a quote because that's what I was
thinking is she's a bit of a diva, but all diva.
No wow from a from a former staffer that's very
acturate resonates with me.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, she's not around when the TV cameras aren't rolling.
The TV camera's there, she lays around in her apartment,
won't come into the office. Is really just indifferent to
staff and will scream at them. She's never in the office,
very disengaged. She does her bs that goes viral and
then freaks out over the most random things. She's she's goofy.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me at all. It just seems
to be par for the course. That town is so
weird as it is. And then, and then if you
have someone that doesn't want to come in because you know,
they can make their own time, they can avoid it,
they don't have to come in, they can avoid And look,
I mean they don't even sit on you look at
any of those speeches on the floor of the Househoord Senate.
There's not a single person in that chamber. They're just

(51:31):
talking to the camera. It's it's kind of a it's
sad that it's not working the way it's supposed to.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
And when she gets around in Washington, they have to
get her a car. Oh, of course, and it have
to has to be a Cadillac Escalade. That's all. She'll
write it.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
That doesn't surprise me you at all.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
It doesn't mean in surprised husband Crockett being roasted today.
Members of the stat All right, when we come back
Donald Trumps and the battle against planned parenthood, what's going on.
We'll give you an update coming up on the routing
and stay with us. A warm Thursday on the outside.
I think I'll go home and cut my grass tonight.

(52:09):
I've become the Thursday night Yeah, cut your grass. Yeah,
that's a club that you have done Thursday night. So
you've got Friday, Saturday and Sunday. You can enjoy the weekend.
Don't have to worry about that that grass. Now, you
don't cut yours? I do mine?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, I don't anymore. Yeah, I don't. But I have
but I have people. I have, I have allies I
have I have I have a team.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah. Do you have a big lawn?

Speaker 7 (52:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
No, No, it's not bad. You know, neither of that's
absolutely beautiful. She really likes the Yeah, I was. I
have to really like make sure I pay attention and
notice things because there's a lot of effort put into it.
And if I don't like, oh I didn't notice that,
we have like eight thousand you know, Uh, what do
they called what do you what do you call the no?

(52:53):
The measuring Uh I can't remember what you call it.
If you measure how much mult you get in a
dumb truck, it's by a yard. Oh so so many
yards of mulch and are I didn't know it was
all new mulch flowers. Everything just went right over my head.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I've done that a few times. My wife would say,
have you seen this? Uh?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, man, and then you know it was anyway, So
I kind of missed it. But now I try to
make a mental note so you don't. Oh, I don't
want to get in trouble. All right.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well, Donald Trump of course signed a bill into law
ending taxpayer funding for abortion clinics around the country. And man,
have we seen a change when it comes to planned parented.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yes we have. I mean, look, they were trying to
sell us on the concept that they were just all
about women's health generally, this whole abortion thing's just one
of the things they do. Weird how when it's not
one of the things they do, the whole women's health
delivery thing becomes harder to explain.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, well, joining us on our newsmaker line to talk
more about there. That is brecon Thieves. He is a
course London for the federalist planned parenthood facilities closing around
the country. Forty one to date and more are closing.
Breckon what's going on, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 13 (54:09):
So you know, since since the Big Beautiful Bill was
signed in July fourth, about forty one in climbing planned
parented locations have actually shut down around the country because
they can't survive as a business. They've either shut down
or they have announced plans that they're going to do so.
And that's forty one out of about two hundred that

(54:30):
Planned Parenthood itself claims are are sort of on the
chopping block too. And you know Planned Parenthood is of
course using that as a way to try to raise money.
But as we all know, the more Planned parenthoods that
shut down, that means that means fewer abortions across the country.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
So you bring up an interesting fact and hear that
they've been offered. Planned Parenthood's been offered a path to
preserve their funding by dropping abortions from their list of healthcare,
and they've declined. Is that across the board? Is there
any Planned Parenthood facility out there that would drop abortions
and still want to stay open and provide healthcare to women.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
Well, that's actually a really interesting question.

Speaker 13 (55:11):
I don't believe that they would because that's sort of
their entire business model. And actually, if you look at
so there's sort of two different kinds of planned parenthoods
that have been shutting down. In this list of forty one,
there are the planned parenthoods in blue states, very pro
abortion states, California, Illinois, New York, things like that. But
the ones that have shut down in the red states
that have banned most abortions, like Indiana, Iowa, in places

(55:36):
like that, some have some still had planned parenthoods leading
up to this, And it does seem like and I
don't have total proof of this, but given that their
business model is primarily abortion, the ones that were still
surviving in those states that have banned it are now
shutting down, probably because they can't actually survive as a

(55:56):
business model without you know, kind of killing as many
babies as possible reckon.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Doesn't this prove the point is you just pointed out
that a lot of people have said for a number
of years that these planned parenthood clinics are really nothing
more than abortion clinics. They always come out and say, well,
it's all about women's health. But you know, this late
at what we're seeing now, doesn't it prove that most
people were right, they were in fact nothing but abortion factories.

Speaker 13 (56:20):
Yeah, that that's that's totally correct. We've seen this trend
over the past ten plus years. I mean since since
twenty thirteen, abortions have skyrocketed. That I think they've had
something like a twenty three percent increase in abortions across
the board at planned parenthood location since then.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
But then at the same time, you know.

Speaker 13 (56:40):
All other services that are not abortions have gone down
by fifty four percent. And hopefully it's okay to read
a couple of statistics here for you, but you know,
sixty one percent decrease in breast exams, fifty four percent
decrease in PAP tests, prenatal services dropped, sixty three percent,
contraception down thirty eight percent, So I mean across the board,

(57:02):
it's they don't have these services. They want to claim
and all the people who support them want to claim, oh,
we're just this, you know, all all round women's health organization,
and yes, we also provide abortions.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
That's actually not really the case.

Speaker 13 (57:15):
They are an abortion factory first and foremost, and all
these other things seem to be not just secondary, but
you know, tertiary issues to them if they provide them
at all.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
But reckon, can women go elsewhere to get some of
these services that you just outlined. I mean, there are
other places that can get these services other than plan parented,
aren't there?

Speaker 7 (57:35):
Absolutely?

Speaker 13 (57:35):
I mean, you know, it's it's always interesting whenever I
talk to you know, sort of obgyns or something like that,
ninety five to ninety eight percent or so obgyns in
America will not perform abortions. So there's actually a ton
of different options. There's also you know, if people are
in trouble, there's crisis pregnancy centers.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
There are totally normal clinics that.

Speaker 13 (57:59):
Do not abortions, and and they out they outnumber planned
parenthoods by quite a bit. It's actually kind of shocking
that that, you know, at the root of this planned
parenthood was getting federal funding in the first place, because
I mean, the only reason that would be is if
our federal government wanted to support abortion, which of course
we know that they have for a long time.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
So this, this part blows my mind. And you're gonna
have to I'm reading you wrote it, so I gotta
believe it's true. You're telling me that the regime media.
The New York Times did an expose, uh, and they
describe botched abortions, leaking sewage, a pervasive culture of a
patient abuse. Even the New York Times is pointing out

(58:40):
that they are more political and more divisive and maybe
not good care for women in need? Is that could
that be real?

Speaker 13 (58:48):
It can be real, and it is real, and and
you know they there have been other videos aside from
that New York Times expose that have shown that they've
been part of this you know, human body part trafficking
stuff that we've we've heard about, the fetal tissue, the
stem cell stuff. On top of that, you know, they
they also kind of help people help traffic abortions out

(59:12):
of state again another one of the red states.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
I believe it was an Indiana one.

Speaker 13 (59:17):
You know, they would refer people to go get abortions
out of state in the in a neighboring state where
it was legal to get an abortion. So I mean,
these these operations are are are pretty grimy and just
from you know, from whether it's botched abortions and leaking
sewage to to trying to get people to access abortion

(59:38):
by any means necessary.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Reckon, where are the big the big pro choice donors.
Where are they? I mean, why are they stepping up
and offering to help pland parenthood with some money? Where
are they?

Speaker 7 (59:49):
You know, I don't I don't know where they are.
I think they're there, actually, but but I don't know
where they are.

Speaker 13 (59:54):
I think that they've been relying on federal funding for
so long that they're like, oh well, I mean we
can kind of point our you know, money elsewhere. Maybe
that's through trying to take over election law or something
like that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
I don't know, but you know, they've been relying on
federal funding.

Speaker 13 (01:00:10):
You know, we used to have the High Amendment, but
even through which block federal funding for abortion. But even
through the High Amendment, you know that people were being
able to loophole and shoehorn in federal funding for these
abortion clinics, saying that, oh, it's not for abortion, Actually
it's for all the other things. We just talked about,
cancer screenings in the like. But you know, as we
all know, money's fungible. So that just allowed Planned Parenthood

(01:00:33):
to expand its abortion abilities.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
So back to something that Rod had mentioned, so community
health clinics that can offer a wide array of healthcare
delivery for women. Fifteen to one in terms of facilities
that a woman could go to fifteen of these community
health clinics or something similar to a one Planned Parenthood facility.
If they can't beat them, they should join them. If

(01:00:57):
Planned Parenthood doesn't change its model and become a place
for women's healthcare. And that's what they the left has
always said, they that they only were if if you
see them closed instead of morph into or change into
a a like a community clinic, does it just does
it basically rest our case that this has been nothing
but an abortion mill all these years?

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Yes, I think that. I think that there's no real
other way to to to look at that.

Speaker 13 (01:01:24):
I mean, you know, if they are if they are
so handstrung by losing federal funding, or otherwise that you know,
or or the ability to perform abortions that they can't
survive as a as a business.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
I mean, that is that is just that just means
that that's what they've done.

Speaker 13 (01:01:41):
I mean and in fact, just to put another sort
of point on that the federal funding that they are
set to lose with the big beautiful bills on in July,
actually that that loss of federal funding has been put
on hold by a federal judge who's a who's a
pro abortion judge and said that, oh.

Speaker 7 (01:01:59):
Actually, you know, Planned Parenthood is constitutionally.

Speaker 13 (01:02:02):
Entitled to the half a billion dollars per year that
the federal government was giving them. So these forty one
that I've pointed out and the two hundred the Planned
Parento has pointed out are are prior to them actually
functionally losing this money.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
You know what's funny about this, Craig, and we talked
about it, and thank you Breking by the way for
being on the show, is the fact that we've been
saying for how long that these really are just abortion
clinics and they talk about women's health and all that
we do. Well, you stop the abortion angle on this
and guess what they all start shutting down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah, I mentioned it in the interview with Breckon, but
the fifteen to one fifteen clinics that a woman can
go to for health care delivery to one planned parenthood
abortion clinic, and it makes it. It's why they're disappearing.
They're funny. Hasn't even ended in. They're already shutting down shops.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
So see it coming.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I think it's actually I'm very grateful for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Too, me too, Mar coming up, Rod and Greg with
you on this Thursday and Talk Radio one oh five
nine kanas.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Well, folks, thanks for your talkback comments as well. We've
read them. We've had some technical difficulty in the audio
back today, but they are still good. Thankers. We get
the the you know we can read them, so we
still have them. So always appreciate the calls as well
as the comments always make the show better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Well, I have a some disappointing news to share with you.
Uh oh you ready for this?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I'm sitting down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I know, I know you're a big big fan of
Alligator alcatraz I am very much so. Well, A judge
today slammed the brakes on it. What Yeah, who a
judge in Florida. An Obama appointed judge in Florida, as
a matter of fact, serious issued a t ro O
temporary restraining order to halt construction of a migrant detention

(01:03:48):
facility dubbed Alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
It's already built. The guys a little behind the curve.
She yeah, she's behind the curve. I mean they're trying
to build another one that, by the way, that's a
that's an abandoned airstrip that's already built.

Speaker 7 (01:04:02):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
It's not like you're going into the Everglades and building
something brand new that that facility or that was already there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yeah, this isn't really Her name is Kathleen Williams. That's
the judge said. The restraining order would last two weeks
and put a pause on any construction projects involving Alligator Alcatraz,
including lighting, paving, excavation, and fencing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
You see the Alligator Alcatraz aside, which is an offense.
This is why we're never going to get rare minerals
to be able to mine. We're not gonna be able
to at the energy independent as long as these environmentalist
laws can be used. They have no interest in the environment.
This is all about stopping alligator Alcatraz under the banner
of environment. It's why they stop, you know, mining, It's

(01:04:48):
not because of the environment. They just don't they anyway,
this I'm our environmental laws need to be revamped if
we're going to actually be able to progress. Yeah here
in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Well, the suit that was you know, brought against the state,
and she's using this suit to block this basically claim
the the project, let's see, threatens environmentally sensitive wet lens
that are home to protected plants and animals and would
reverse billions of dollars worth of environmental restoration. That's absolutely

(01:05:19):
that is that the airstrip is already there. Yes, Okay,
all they are is putting a few buildings on that airstrip,
and that's what they're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:05:28):
It's it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
It was already an airport. You had planes that were
flying in and out of their small planes, but you
had that as an established piece of property. Commerce was occurring.
It wasn't being used right now. But it's not like
you went and found some virgin piece of ever Glad
you know, Everglades area and developed it. It was already developed. Yeah, no,
it's of course, I I don't know I you know

(01:05:50):
what I'd love, I'd love the Santus to go.

Speaker 9 (01:05:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Well, I think I think that's what they're thinking about.
I think they they may just totally disregard the order
and say we don't care, We're going to build it anyway.
I would, And then you've got the what they called
the speedway slammer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yes, I love that too. I love the Indianapolis five
hundred speedway slammer. Just keep it up. Just you need
places ice, they need detention centers because they have. You
can't just put them in the way their law requires it.
They can't just go into jails and penitentiaries. They have
to have certain other features because it's a different type
of penalty. I guess it's a civil penalty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah, Christ, Well you know better than I mean. They
can't be held in a typical jail.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Unless it's for the crime they've committed, and you can,
but if it's but if it's the if the only
illegal so if they've served that or there, if that's
not what's being adjudicated, and it's just the fact that
they're here illegally in there being removed and deported. There
are some other features of how they're attained the detention
pills facility has to be nicer than a jail or penitentiary.

(01:06:57):
I don't I don't agree with it, but it's just
the case. So that's why they the pressures on to
build unique ice detention facilities because our normal jails and
penitentiaries states don't match, so you have to have something different.
And that's what was so brilliant about Alligator Alcatraz. And
this was a speedway slammer, whatever you said it was.
I love that one too, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Apparently the owner of the Indianapolis Speedway doesn't like that name.
Well I better get over it, okay, because we're dealing
with a buddy. Deal with it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
By the way, and Obama had all these he still
no one's even met his pace of deportations and removals yet,
So anyone getting upset about Trump and what he's doing.
They had they called it what they call it the
rocket docket, where they had those facilities and they brought
him in. Judge would say, you know, say gone, and
they would go. And they did it fast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, they did all right. Morey coming up, it is
the Rod and Greg Show on talk radio one oh
five nine k NRS.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
The next siting show. You and I have not revealed
or disclosed what our favorite winning accomplishment of the Trump
administration is. We haven't mentioned ours. I don't know if
we're going to do that now, but it is coming.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Yeah, we've guess, but they'll be there for a second
or two. Mine is the border. I think he's done
a tremendous job on the border, and that's why I
think that's his biggest accomplishment. That's you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
And I was there with you at the beginning of
the show, but listening to our listeners, the one and
this might have been on a comment on a on
the talk back line the common sense where common sense
has been regularly relegated to the no boys playing girls sports.
Know that these higher institutions of higher learning and the
anti Semitism that was going on that they're now having
to not do in the settlements, the common sense and

(01:08:38):
the everyday Americans hope for this country and its values
being reflected back into our government. I know that's a
large category, but I would I would put that neck
and neck with the border and all they're they're all great,
big beautiful bombs and Iran. I mean, I'm putting that
really high common sense. But I think that that normalcy
that is being re entered Houston to America on all

(01:09:02):
levels is from Trump. And I think that that is
that's hard to calculate, but I put that way high
up there. That's my Now that you said border, I
feel like I can say that well, favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Common sense on the environment. As a matter of fact,
our next guest joining us on our Newsmaker line. It's
Kevin Kilo's Energy Reporter as just the news. But Kevin,
thanks for joining us tonight. You've got a story out
there about experts at various climate groups who are fighting
for green energy are saying their models aren't working and
guess what they need taxpayer money. What's the gist of

(01:09:33):
all of this?

Speaker 14 (01:09:34):
Well, thanks again for having me though with great talk
to you guys, And the gist of the article is
that these in the wake of the one big Beautiful
Bill Act that cuts the production tax credits over the
course of some twelve years, but you know, it's very
loopholes and all, but eventually cuts those and these climate
advocacy groups got together and they built these models. They

(01:09:57):
claim that our energy costs are going to rock. Now
the thing about models is their predictions, so you know,
no guarantee they're going to turn out, but we can
look at past data. We had a lot of that,
and what we're seeing is, you know, wind and solar
have become a greater and greater amount of our energy
mix over the last fifteen years, and we haven't seen

(01:10:19):
energy costs decline. As a matter of fact, they've pretty
much been flatlined now for quite some time. And you know,
at least talking about the national average. So the question
is where, you know, how do these models come up
with it? Well, you know, it's really not clear exactly
what they're doing. But you know, besides the fact that

(01:10:41):
they're claiming that costs are going to go up, despite
the fact they've wind and solar haven't shown any ability
to lower costs, they do this. You know, the production
tax credits are going to be phased out over a
long period of time. They make it sound like they're
just being cut off today. It's actually because there was
a lot of political compromises. You know, like projects that

(01:11:04):
go into service within i think it's by twenty twenty
seven still can be eligible for these tax credits, and
they continue to collect them for like ten years. So
there's a lot of experts that are raising doubts about
these multiple models, and it really just comes down to
that the wind and solar industry kind of depends on subsidies.
All industries, all energy industries get subsidies, but the renewable

(01:11:29):
energy industries rely on those subsidies for their very existence.
They just can't grow, they can't be profitable, they can't
go into service without them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
So you make such a strong case, and I appreciate
the article, and there just needs to be more of
this information out there for the public to digest. But
my question is this, you're making a very good argument
about how it's over subsidized and it's not sustainable. My
question is is the green agenda falling apart? Not because
it doesn't make financial sense, but because as the leftists

(01:12:01):
and the billionaires that we're looking to maybe hoard energy
are realizing now that the demand for energy with AI
and everything else is so massive that they can't hoard
they don't even have the ability to make it. Is
it the emerging technologies that have a Bill Gates buying
three Mile Island? Is it that the leftists now need
more energy and they're even themselves willing to abandon these

(01:12:22):
green agenda ideas that are not sustainable. Or is it
really that the math doesn't make sense.

Speaker 14 (01:12:29):
Well, yeah, it's a little bit of a mix of things.
So first of all, yeah, the math doesn't make sense.
You know, we constantly hear that wind and solo of
the cheapest form of energy. If that was true, they'd
be enormously competitive. They wouldn't need subsidies, and so the subsidy. Ah,
any industry take away at subsidies, it's going to cry
bloody murder, is what companies do. But they would continue

(01:12:53):
to build and grow if they were actually as competitive
as they claim. So, yeah, the math doesn't make sense.
Data centers, yes, they are increasing demand and this has
thrown the monkey wrench in the whole thing. One of
the things that were really kind of pursuing with their
quote unquote climate action was a reduction in energy use.
You know, they were kind of betting on that could

(01:13:14):
really help wind and solar work if people would just
stop demanding energy. But now we have these data centers,
these AI that's going to increase demand on the grid,
and that demand requires twenty four to seven energy, which,
of course when in solar can do unless you have
a lot of batteries, and those are enormously expensive. So

(01:13:36):
most of these data centers are relying on gas turbines
in order to power their facilities. So yeah, that's I
would say, those are the things that are really going Plus,
you got to understand as much as you know, climate
advocacy groups really raise the alarm about climate change. You
can look at poles and there really is no climate voter.

(01:13:58):
People are not as worried about climate change. You look
at gallop poles showing where a vote election rated climate change.
It was down at the bottom of the list of priorities,
and the percentage of people very worried about climate change
hasn't really changed. It went up for a little bit
from two thousand to about two thousand and twenty, and
then it's dropped back down to where it was, you know,

(01:14:21):
several years ago. So yeah, so people just really aren't
behind it. You really look at what do people care about. Well,
first of all, polls show they do support in all
of the above energy strategy, and also too, what do
they care about affordable reliable energy, So that's what it
comes down to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah, Kevin, you mentioned people behind it, But for an
industry like this to succeed, you're going to have to
have investors. Are you hearing anything about investors now starting
to shy away from these wind and solar projects saying
we don't think it's all it was cracked up to be,
and we aren't going to invest our money in these
projects anymore. Well, have you heard anything along those lines?

Speaker 14 (01:14:58):
Yeah, definitely with you know, you you can look at
you know, uh indexes for sustainable energy for sustainable companies,
and they did not do as well over the past
few years compared to you know, like there's a company
called Strive which actually just invests in companies based on

(01:15:18):
their ability to provide a return on investment, and they've
just seen much better returns. You know, any anything that
really is looking at in return on investment as opposed
to a political strategy of quote unquote sustainability, they're doing
much better. So yeah, I do think investors are kind
of starting to shy away from some of this because,

(01:15:41):
you know, the numbers just haven't panned out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Kevin, thank you for joining us tonight. What's that word
we use the other day, Greg, that major companies and
corporations are in this country and around the world are
now using the term green hushing. Yeah, you don't talk
about their their environmental policies in the power now because
they were insane before.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
They still are insane, and now it's impacting the elitists
and they're like, whoa, Okay, now we have to get.

Speaker 7 (01:16:06):
Rid of this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
We don't want this more. Coming up, Rod and Greg
Gun Talk Radio one oh five nine k n rs.
Enjoyably best.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Yeah, it's been a blast. It's fast and it's been
a blast. I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
All right, So you're you're getting married, you're taking out
your vows with your wife. She shares her vows, you
share yours to her, but you mistakenly blurred out your
ex girlfriend's name instead of her name.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Oh, that would be bad.

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
I Speaker of the house at the time. I could
officiate weddings, and so I did this. Did you ever
do what I did? A bunch of them, really, And
I've got a really good batting average. I told everyone
that I was going to do this for that. I
never want to see a divorce. I want to bat
a thousand. I only have one. And I did a bunch.
So all the marriages are holding strong.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
I didn't know you had the authority.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah I did it. It was awesome. So you could
marry someone back then, Yeah you can't now No, Oh,
I only could do it then it was a window
of time. Well, this happened, and I didn't have this happened.
This didn't happen on any of the ones I was,
you know, officiating.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
This did happen in Abbey's home country of England. Okay,
And here's what's great about it. The bride got laughing.
I mean she thought it was funny. The groom started
laughing because she was laughing, and apparently the whole wedding
party started laughing because they thought it was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
If I'm the father of the bride, I'm not laughing, Okay,
I'm saying, we're getting we're kicking this loser, loose man.
You can't be saying someone else's name when you're marrying
my daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I'm gonna be good with that story out the other day,
and that gen zers are now inviting their moms and
dads to come with them for job interviews. Oh, come on,
no one, no, it's true. They're bringing mom or dad
to their job interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
I'm just shaking my head. But I'd totally go if
my kid asked me, you would I would. I if
I knew who was interviewing them, If I knew them,
I'd want to go and say.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Hey, the networking thing. But wouldn't they know you anyway?
I mean, would they know it? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
They you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I mean my kids get asked, are you yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
We are?

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
We get this. So I'm with my son. He's getting
some suits for this internship of this before he left,
and the tailor's like measuring up and he's asking my
son questions like, so where are you going? And I'm
sitting there. I'm like, he's going to Washington, d C.
What are you gonna do? And I all of a
sudden he looks at me. He's like, you know, I
can answer these questions. I was answering him for him.
I I don't know, I was excited. I just was
kind of, you know, making my making answer well to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Go along with that. The latest trend out there, apparently
for some stressed out adults pacifiers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
I just that can't be real.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
It is real, you know, passifier?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
You know what that says that that is a magnet
to be robbed if there is any lawlessness that exists.
If anyone's going to wake up and say I'm gonna
steal someone's wallet, I'm gonna stay. If you see a
grown man with a pass fire in his mouth, that's
who you're going to rob. Yeah, I mean that would
be a magnet for violence. Well it makes me feel
a little violent just to hear it. It just sounds
so horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Well, apparently this is in China. Okay, now, okay, grown
men are ordering pacifiers and they're sucking on them to relieve.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
STU, please grow up series they deserve rob I am
against lawlessness, except for men walking around, you know, with
a pass fire in their mouth. That that if that,
if they are inviting violence, I have a little bit
of empathy for that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
According to the South China Morning Post, some online sellers
are moving thousands of pacifiers each and every month. I
tell you what, world's going to? Little nuts?

Speaker 9 (01:19:45):
It is? It?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Really a little nuts? A lot nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
That's crazy, I really is. Well, I you know, we
didn't get to play my clip I wanted to play.
Maybe'll play it tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
We'll play tomorrow, say hang on to it. We'll have
time tomorrow. We'll be back tomorrow, believe.

Speaker 10 (01:19:56):
It or not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
If they it is, Thank Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
That's Friday and tomorrow, very special day tomorrow. What's that
National pickleball Day?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Oh my goodness. Oh, by the way, I want to say,
it's National Purple Heart Day. Today's purple hearty. Thank you
to our Thank you men and women in enforces into
those who sacrifice. We we love you and appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Thank you that does it for us. Tonight, head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and
this great country of ours. We're back tomorrow at four.
Talk to you.