The Rod and Greg Show: FBI Opens Probe on Weaponization; Policing Political Speech; 10 years of Trump

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I had a couple of people say things about you
over the weekend that I cannot repeat. Well, you know,
because they were very very funny.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Were they nice?

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
No, you see, why are you going to do that?
You do that then start the week.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
One just cracked me up. It's very nice, but in
a kind of a jabbing way.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I've been with this man, folks for at least three hours.
I think I can hear around one. So you haven't
mentioned any of this until we got Live on me.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, I just want to keep you. I like, keep
you on your toesesez. Yeah, I like tol me that
like not live Yeah, yeah, great, Well, we have got
a great show for you coming up. John Solomon from
just the News, breaking story on what the federal the
FBI is up to, taking a look at all these
grand conspiracies that are out there. We'll take a look
at that. We'll also talk about Donald Trump. Does he

(00:47):
make the same mistake Ronald Reagan made back in nineteen
eighty six? Was it a mistake to begin with? We'll
get into that new pulling out Greg about how Americans
feel about Donald Trump's crackdown on people who are in
this country illegally and you have a great theory on this.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's an eye opener. And that's a segment you want
to hang on and listen to because I'm telling you
there's a there's some conclusions to be drawn from the
polling because the poling's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, it is not good. But we'll get into that.
And we've got a lot of other things to get
to today as well. And as always course, we want
you to be We invite you to be a part
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(01:32):
I want to start off the show because I think
that's a hilarious moment. Remember the movie it was, it's
several years old now, the movie Woody Harrelsnuff trying to
I think it was Wesley Snipes who started in this
movie White Men Can't Jump. That's it, yep, remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well. We had another example of it this weekend. Don
President Trump was at the FIFA, the big FIFA soccer
match right in New Jersey. Next year will be the
home of the World Cup Championship. So the team that won,
he decided to go down on stage with him.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
He helped to give the award, like the Super War
Trophy for whatever that.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Is the award, and they all started jumping the way
they normally do. Did you see Trump try and jump?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Actually, I can't jump, I thought he decided. I didn't
see him jumping. I think him try first. He was
getting caught up in the moment. It was an absolutely
hilarious moment. I think they just thought the President United
States presenting that is kind of a big deal. But
after that he would kind of leave the stage. Nah,
he was there. He was all in. He was so excited.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
They kind of asked him to leave and he said, no,
I'm the president. You want me to leave.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
He was very excited. I think he was very he
was caught up in the moment. What a contrast. Well,
he is just celebrating with these guys, and he's just
he loves athletes, you know what, He respects athletes. And
then but you look that was I think that's the
year anniversary of the assassination attempting Butler Pennsylvania. So what
a difference between the crowd around him and a year
ago versus the crowd around him this last Saturday. What

(02:54):
a what a difference.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
He got a huge ovation when he was introduced at
the beginning of the match as well.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
No, it was he was having a blast. It was
it was a really funny moment. He was he was
living his best life in the moment he was on
that stage. He was just soaking it up. He loved it.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Now, on the other side of the country, JD. Vans,
the Vice President of the United States, and Gavin Newsom
decided to have some words.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, this is this is this is no class. Gavin Newsom,
he's such a clown. I I I don't I just
can't believe he gets taken seriously. But yeah, he decides
to go after the Vice president.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yea, yeah, Well, the Vice President was at Disneyland with
his family over the weekend and he was spotted on
x and of course there were some people who are
going to protest, but gruesome decided to send him a
tweeted out a note to the Vice President basically said,
hope you enjoy your family time. The families you're tearing
apart certainly won't signed Gavin Newso nice guy.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, there's no one. There's no one that he's that
that tweet would suggest, if anyone read it, that he
is ripping these families, these innocent families apart. He is
going they're going after criminals, They're going after those that
have a record, those and if if they if they've
brought children into the into the equation. It's like any
criminal who gets arrested who have children, that the tragedy

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is those children's lives, But it's the parents who put
them in that situation. Has nothing to do with legal
immigrants that are here, or their families, or certainly the
vice president and his family trying to enjoy a vacation,
you know. So I just think it's it's it's none
of it's based in truth. It's all meant to create,
you know, pageantry and pull emotions.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
What a class act? Huh? Newsome All right, Speaking of
writing things, Joe Biden has now come clean on the
use of the auto pen.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Finally, Well, it turns out auto pen does a lot
of work. Auto pen gets a lot of jobs. Auto
pen's asked to third party, the staffer of the staffer
staffer says, write this letter, pardon these people, and auto
Pen will do the rest. And apparently auto Pen and
Joe Biden don't necessarily talk, No, they don't really have
direct conversations about who Auto Pen is gonna pardon and

(05:08):
who Joe Biden was, who was explained to him, would
receive a pardon. It's kind of done in bulk. I
guess it's kind of like a discount, you know, you
send Auto Pen a bunch of names, and Joe Biden
didn't get really involved in the specificity at all, which includes,
by the way, Anthony Fauci he's.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
In that batch, and Mark Milly.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yes, so it's the I wonder if Adam Kissinger's And
once you get to that, once you're like three degrees
of separation. The president tells supposedly nobody knows the staffer,
who then tells another staffer then and then replies all
to the stafford that tells Auto Pen to go ahead
and clear and clear and pardon these people.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I don't know. It gets a little great, doesn't it. Well,
I mean, here's what happened, according to the New York Times.
He interviewed The New York Times was interviewed by the
Times this weekend talking about the auto pen, but he
admitted that during the and of his administration, in the
final days, right Biden granted clemency and pardons in large batches. Okay,
according to the President, And he said he didn't personally

(06:10):
approve each one, but they were all based on a
certain set of criteria and standards that were set up.
So if you fell under that, the auto pen went
to work for you.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
This president, a lot of these people broke the law
for and on behalf of your pursuit of power. Yeah,
would you like to power in them? Yes?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I would.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, And that would just be Millie and Fauci and
everybody else. And you see what Ram Paul did today, Yeah,
I think he didn't you resubmit the criminal referral from
Anthony Fauci.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
TOEAH because of the auto pen?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I do.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Think it brings up some interesting dilemmas that if it's
not the president doing it, I mean, I don't know,
you think he'd know who it was. But he admitted then, Oh,
New York Times, when they did the story, thanking New
York Times, you don't ask if it were a Republican
you'd see someone would ask Adam Schiff about the Republican
president and he'd tell you how much benut it is.
But then they go to a law professor that would

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say the same thing. They don't go to any Republican
law member of Congress or anyone to ask him, what
do you think about this? They certainly don't go to
any legal scholars. Turley would have been great to ask him,
do you think this is actually the way you're supposed
to pardon? People? Have that auto pen do it on
its own. But they don't include any of that, which

(07:23):
I guess journalism used to.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Maybe I'm just talking crazy talking.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I don't know. All Right, We've got a lot to
get to today here on the Rodding Gregg Show. When
we come back, John Solomon just the News will join us.
He's trying to do. He's saying, there's eight could be
a federal investigation underway to get to the bottom of
all these scandals that have taken place over the years.
That's coming up with John Solomon right here on The
Rodding Gregg Show on this Monday afternoon. Great to be

(07:47):
with you. Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
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the show, going to hit the century mark tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, it was warm, it's warm.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Is it warm? I haven't been outside all day. I'm
in here working, you're outside playing, and you know, I
just have to get work hard. Each news news, well,
remember last week, I think it was last Friday. As
a matter of fact, we're talking about the Epstein story.
There's no information on that. Apparently the administration has heard
the calls of some people within his support group. We're

(08:18):
saying they want more being done.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, so you know, this weekend there was a turning
Point conference Charlie Kirk hosts with a lot of the
make America Great Again voices and opinion leaders, thought leaders,
influencers around the country. Benny Johnson happens to be one
of them, has a very popular podcast and following on
social media. He is reporting and it just came out
that he's got you got off the phone with top

(08:40):
federal law enforcement contact. There's going to be a major
change in the approach to the Epstein issue. Expect more disclosures.
Some very powerful people inside the administration are now pushing
for a special council and a full press briefing on
the Epstein's findings what they have found, so they're looking
for more transparency. A lot are pointing to that the conference,

(09:04):
this turning point conference this weekend when many of these
people that a lot of people are following that have
been very supportive of the president spoke about being unhappy
about the president or the Attorney General's approach. The seven
thousand people in attendants just roared with approval that they
wanted to see it handled differently. And I think that
we had a caller on Friday that was really really great. Yeah,

(09:26):
I was saying, it's very hyper focused, it's an Epstein
or Bust kind of approach, and there's a lot going on,
but it was pointed out by our caller and I
think I think he's right, and that is it's the
it's the tip of the iceberg of all that we've
had to endure, of all the Peple watched of powerful
people getting away with everything, and this is one time

(09:48):
where they don't want to see it happening. And this
is like, if you can't get it right now, it's
never going to get right.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, he said, you have to go all the way
back to Clinton emails and then everything that's gone on
since then, the Russian hoaes, the hunter, Biden's story, the laptop,
all of that, to a lot of people has just
been pushed under the rug let's not investigate, and he
says that's why it has got people upset. Well. Joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now. We're great to
have him on the show is John Solomon. He's the
founder of Just the News. He's a frequent guest on

(10:13):
many of the shows that you hear on this station,
and I'm Fox News Now. He says, the FBI has
opened up a grand conspiracy investigation on weaponization and what
does all of that mean. John is joining us now
right now, John, tell us about what you have found
out and what in fact does it mean.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Well, this is a big development and it opens the
door so a lot of things that I think people
couldn't imagine even just a few weeks ago. We've known
there was this Arab weaponization in government. We know that
from a political perspective. Republicans in Congress who investigated it,
inspector generals investigated saw evidence of a political conspiracy. The
FBI is now viewing this. In the moment Hillary Clinton

(10:55):
was exonerated in your email scandal, and Donald Trump was
then suddenly investigated for fake allegations of Russia collusion all
the way up through the Jacksmith prosecutions into twenty twenty four.
They're now looking that at that as one ongoing, continuing conspiracy,
a conspiracy to exonerate Democrats, even though they might have

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actually created criminality Hunter Biden. Remember the pressure on the
whistleblowers and the Ukraine impeachment designed to protect him Hillary
Clinton on the email and then on the flip side
at the same time, they were going easy on Democrats,
flipping it and actually opening up investigations and Republicans even
when some of that evidence wasn't warranted. So they view

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it as a conspiracy. Once you do that, two big
things happen. First, the statute of limitations on any single
crime disappears. As long as some of the crimes are
in the statute, you can go back in charge events
ten twelve years ago, So if you were charging Hillary
Clinton in the email case, it would be long gone,
but now in the conspiracy you could potentially make charges there. Similarly,

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you don't have to bring the classic case in Washington,
d C. A place where ninety percent of the electorate
is pro Democrat. You could potentially bring it into place
like Florida where President Trump's Mara a Lago home was
rated by Special Prosecutor Jack Smith back in twenty twenty two.
So a different venue, a different type of juror and

(12:18):
jury pull. So it opens up a lot of ideas,
and I think it also sets the stage potentially for
Attorney General Pam Bondi to appoint a special prosecutor, someone
who's independent, to take this entire case and do it
with credibility and give the American people answers and deliver
charges if they're warranted.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know what this sounds like to me? This sounds
like the John Solomon already reported it and told you
so case. That's what You've been on top of this
for so long, And so in your description just now,
you gave me the glimmer of light or hope that
I having a special prosecutor which would allow us to
be heard in a different venue than the DC Circuit

(12:58):
Court of that jurisdiction where Durham was unable to do
anything no matter what the evidence said. Yeah, so if
you can get over that hurdle, which I thought was
you couldn't get that would be the deal breaker. Where
would you put We've heard this for so long. A
lot of this sounds so familiar to so many John,
where would you put the viability of this case? Is

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this a fifty to fifty chance?

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Here?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Is this a coin flip? Do you think it's a
little better? Where would you put? Where would you put
the prospects?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Well, listen, we're learning new things every day. Even eight
nine years later, we're getting to it. So let's think
about what we learned just two weeks ago when we
broke the story at justin News. The FBI received intelligence
in August twenty twenty that China was in the process
of carrying out a effort to move fake driver's licenses

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in the country so that fake people could vote to
try to help Joe Biden win their specific goal with
China wanted Joe Biden to win the twenty twenty election.
We didn't know about that for the last five years,
and then we now know that the FBI stopped investigating
it and actually asked intelligence agencies to destroy the intelligence
that they had disseminated on this. We only learned about

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that recently. But when you throw that in the timeline,
you begin to see multiple examples sort of a wash
Rints repeat cycle of political manipulation of the justice system,
the law enforcement system, the intelligence system. So and then
even as recently as the story this morning where I

(14:26):
break this, I talk about two pieces of evidence that
remained classified that if they're classified by Donald Trump, could
be jaw droppers. One is just before James Comy exonerated
Hillary Clinton, and we now know that the Justice Department
Inspector General said he had no right to do that,
that wasn't his call. But right before he did that,
his own bureau, the FBI, got new intelligence suggesting maybe

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there was criminal a conduct that occurred here, and instead
of looking at it, they swept it under the rug
and just exonerader. We didn't know that for a long time.
Chuck Grassley brought that to our tension. So there are
new of evidence falling in and I think, again, you
never know how a jury or a grand jury's going
to look at it. But this cycle of constantly finding
wrongdoing with a Democrat and exonerating them and then launching

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a similar investigation against the Republicans, often in the absence
of proof or evidence, It repeats itself so many times
it might become believable to a jury who otherwise would
say this is too complicated for me. But I think
that wash rints and repeat cycle becomes more and more
clear with every new piece of evidence we get from
the Intelligence Committee and the FBI.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
From just the news we're talking with John Solomon. John,
does this all now fall on Pam Bondy to hit
the go button on this?

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yeah, that's the next step. The FBI has a predicated
investigation that allows its resources to be used and to
do the right thing. And now the real question for
Pam Bondi is do I sign a prosecutor to this
or do I go get a special prosecutor?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Do it? You can handle it.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Internally, but the Justice Department's a little hampered right now.
It has had a lot of people leave, some involuntarily
they fired them, some have left out of protests, and
not a lot of US attorneys have been confirmed by
the Senate, the chief prosecutors by city. So in that scenario,
it might be difficult for the Justice Department to handle
this internally. So I think Pamboni asked to decide hit

(16:15):
the go button, and then what's the proper process. Is
it giving it to one US attorney, we get one
confirmed to get it done, or do you take somebody's
already Senate confirmancy. You're the special prosecutor, like John Burham,
Durham go down to Florida and go investigate this. And
I think those are decisions that could get made in
the next week to ten days.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
What about the timeline? You know these cases take a
long time. I think this has to happen on Trump's
watch or I start to lose even faith that we
could get something done. Is there enough time for something
like this to be adjudicated?

Speaker 5 (16:48):
The good news is that you're not starting at ground zero.
You're starting with about eighty percent of the evidence now
in the public domain. To see, we've got to put
it together and present it to a grand jury. Compel
witness is to testify, which sometimes gets into subpoena fytes.
But around that you also take a look at the

(17:08):
the body of evidence that could just be very quickly
slipt down. These two classified annexes that I talk about
in my story, Hey, if President Trump were to declassify them,
that would save weeks and months of a court fight
trying to get access to them for the jury. So
there are things that could put this on steroids and speed,
but it would also take, you know, a good prosecutor
and a commitment that you're going to resource this quickly.

(17:31):
If you resource it quickly, most of this work could
be done in the next year or two years. There
isn't as you said in the beginning, most of it's
sitting out in front of us. It's just nobody's taking
the time to make that very important accountability push.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
From just the news. John Solomon joining in the Rod
and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n R S.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
We love playing Harry Anton from CNN when he's got
the great stuff that shows that we're winning. I think
there's some you know, some polling out there and multiple
polls that are not showing yeah, us winning at least
the narrative.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, And we'll get to that in the five o'clock yard.
But right now joining us on our news miaker line
is Arn McIntyre. He is the host of The Aaron
McIntyre Show, a columnist at Blaze News. Orn, You're right
about the fact that Donald Trump cannot let Reagan's mistake
become his legacy. What do you mean by that, Arren.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
Well.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
I think a lot of people obviously look at Ronald
Reagan as one of the better conservative, right wing presidents.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Of our era.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Right there's a high degree of respect, often very well
earned for his position. But ultimately, while he did many
great things, there were some mistakes in there. One of
them I think was ultimately stances on gun control, and
another was you know, virtual amnesty that came under Reagan
and I think really transformed the demography of California and

(18:56):
that ultimately helped to move it into you know what
obviously was the state that, once elected Ronald Reagan has
now become the Democratic anchor for the electoral College and
you know, the wider election apparatus, and you know, so, ultimately,
while Reagan has a great legacy, probably the largest tarnish
was this belief that ultimately, if you found a way

(19:18):
to give people's citizenship, we could close the border and
find a way forward that will actually protect the American people.
What we've learned over and over again is that whatever
we're given promises of, well, if you trade a pathway
to citizenship or some kind of amnesty for border security,
then this will solve the problem. We always get the amnesty,
we always get the pathway to citizenship, we never actually

(19:41):
get the border security. And so you know, Donald Trump
had been floating the idea about whether we would have
a carve out in deportations for farm workers or for
hospitality workers, and that just opens the back door to
I think something that would be a fundamental betrayal of
what most people who supported Donald Trump believed about the
need for deportations in the United States. I don't think

(20:04):
he's committed to this. I think this is something that
can be fixed, but I do think he needs to
understand that this would tarnish his legacy if that was
something he went forward with.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
So I have a couple of questions, but one of
them is what if there is a just a if
you have a secure border, which I think not only
is the encounter has gone down and it's secure at
least under this administration, but the border wall has been funded,
the additional ice agents, There's been a lot done there.
What about the legal way for people to come into
the country, making it more practical, meaning that if you

(20:35):
have a way that's logical and makes sense, then it
doesn't draw people to try to break the law or
to enter illegally. Is there is there room for improvement
in our immigration process as it is now to make
it so that the market will drive what it costs
for agriculture and any other economic sector.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Well, this is actually a problem, right because one of
the things that, you know, one of the things that
a lot of people pointing to free trade will forget
it is the stable labor costs that were initially understood
by a guy like Ricardo and economists like Ricardo when
it came to comparative advantage. When he was factoring in
the idea that the trade between you know, England and

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France or you know, had these specific dynamics, he was
assuming that labor maintained its fixity and that people would
prefer to give jobs to people inside their country and
not import foreigners or move companies around to avoid taxes
and these kind of things. He was just thinking of
a much more stable understanding of free trade. But the
more and more we've had this opportunity for people to

(21:39):
bring in new labor, we've distorted the idea what market
signals actually look like, and so we're not supposed to
have this infinitely elastic labor force. We're supposed to have
a fixed labor force inside the country that allows the
wage mechanism to keep the people's standard of living up
to what should it should be, you know, in a
first world country. And we've had this disconnect for many

(22:01):
years of cost of living and actual economic production inside
the United States. The only way to heal this is
to actually have American companies hire Americans to do a
job and to raise the wage until it gets to
a point where Americans can make a living and raise
a family on that job. And that's not going to
be the thing that a lot of corporations want to hear.

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But if we're interested in America first, I think we
should care about whether or not Americans can actually do
work and pay for a house and pay for having
children inside the United States.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Arn was the eighty six plan, the amnesty plan that
Reagan approved. I mean, was it basically a good plan
that just got carried away or was it a bad
plan even to begin with?

Speaker 6 (22:44):
Oran Well, I think it was just a misunderstanding. Is
the idea that ultimately if we had this moment where
we kind of reset everything, then going forward we could
have a much more responsible understanding of how the border
would be con right, and like I said over and
over again, you end up in the scenario where you

(23:04):
always get the one thing. You always get the amnesty
or the passway to citizenship, and you never get the
border security. Now, the good news, as you guys pointed out,
is that Trump has taken steps on the border of security,
and we have to give him credit where it's due.
But you know, Biden was basically letting eight ten million
people probably into the country during his term or whoever

(23:24):
was actually in charge during his term.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
With doing that right exactly.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
I never met him got the auto pen let all
these people into the country, and we should definitely hold
that out of accountable, you know. But you know, this
is again I understand how Reagan got here. This is
not an attack on his train of thought.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
He did not.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
He was busy winning a ideological global war against communism.
So this is not me looking back and saying, oh,
how could Reagan not get everything right? But hindsight, now
that we understand this dynamic, I just don't think we
can fall for this trick again. I don't think Donald
Trump is malicious in this. I think he's looking at
people he knows in industries he's familiar with and saying, hey,

(24:09):
these guys are used to paying relatively cheap costs for labor,
and they've factored that in their business model. And I
don't want my friends to have a hard time with this,
and they're running good businesses and this kind of stuff,
but he has to understand that these things will be
used as backdoors.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Right.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
The Trump administration may one day win its argument on
birthright citizenship, But as long as the fourteenth Amendment is
currently understood, where anyone on US soil, legal or not,
has a child and that child immediately gains the full
rights of a US citizen, as long as that's the
dynamic in the United States, any degree of large scale
immigration will produce a reliable string of Democrat voters. And

(24:46):
we simply cannot allow that if we want to take
our current system seriously. You can't have popular sovereignty when
you're importing a large number of people who shouldn't be here.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
And gain the right to vote.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
That simply does not speak to the interest of the
American people.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Or McEntire, our guest on our center stage here on
the Rod and Greg Show, here on Utah's talk radio
one oh five nine. Can shall we start singing so
long farewell to the Education Department.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I know, big Supreme Court ruling today, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Big Supreme Court ruling says Donald Trump can go ahead
and lay off people the Education's Apartment, dismantle the agency
if he's liked. So it looks like the end engineer
for the Education's Apartment.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
And let me rephrase that. The Supreme Court ruled that
the president is actually the president of the United States
with is the elected, the duly elected official of the
executive branch, and has the ability to adjust its budgets.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Go figure.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah that seemed obvious to most, but it took the
Supreme Court to have to tell the leftists and their
regime media in this country that, no, you can't just
have it because you had it before and you don't
like who got elected. That's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
No, no, it is that. And the man who got
beat up on the golf courts last week. Yes, everybody
in America saw this video. Yes, right, I will play anytime. Yeah,
we saw the video. Well, well, he has now apologized
for his behavior on the course he was beating up
and tossed it to the pond by former NHL player
the hitman Nick Tarnasky I believe is his name. Trevor

(26:12):
Ogilvy posted an apology after he admitted to drinking too
much before the fight erupted at the Alberta Springs golf
course in Alberta, Canada. Yep, that's me, guys, the guy
that just got dropped like a bucket of balls into
the pond. Not my finance moment, I know, looks real bad.
Played thirty six holes of golf. We drank way too

(26:35):
much and my mouth ran faster than my brain.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Well, good for him for festing up because they were
on whole fifteen when that fight broke out. So if
he played eighteen prior to the fifteen, yeah, and been
drinking all day, he'd have been up to almost probably
three hours just in the eight if he'd have been
playing eight eight, well, fifteen holes, he fires playing a
little more than three hours. I thought that's how much
he'd been drinking though, apparently no.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well, he said he's apologized, need story for his behavior.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well, maybe his reputation will be restored. I think he's
taking out out of survival that probology, which he should,
I asked.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm glad he did, and he didn't realize the guy
he was going after was a hockey player and one
of the one of the goons on a high.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I know he was a paid, paid enforced folks, if
you don't know, in the NHL, if you're an enforcer,
holding the hockey stick is just a pain because you're
not there to even really play hockey. You're there to enforce,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
All right, Uh boy, are we We're looking forward to
your comments on this. There are some new polling out
tonight about Donald Trump and his immigration enforcement policies. Americans
apparently don't like it. We'll get into that with you
coming out. Well, immigration continues to be the number one
issue in the country. Is Donald Trump has met his
promise that he told the American people that he would

(27:49):
shut down the border and he would get rid of
illegal criminals in this country. And of course it's stirring
a lot of chaos and that's what the Democrats want.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
It is. And so you know, you watch this from Afar,
you watch on television, you see these people getting in
front of the ice, the vehicles, the ice officers themselves,
throwing rocks, even shooting guns. I mean there it is
absolute violence, political violence, and you have the Democrats that
are supporting it, they are protecting it, they're promoting it.

(28:19):
And I hate to say it, but I actually, while
we shake our heads in disbelief, it's working like a charm.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Maybe working. You're right. Well. Christy Nome, who's head of
the Department of Homeland Security, was on Meet the Press
yesterday and addressed a number of issues, and she talked
about the raid on the California pop farm.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
People have heard the President say over and over again
about how important it is that we continue to go
after the worst of the worst. This week, we've got
murderers off the street, rapist child pedophiles. If you look
at that marijuana grow facility that we recently just did
an operation on, over three hundred and nineteen individuals were
brought into custody and fourteen unaccompanied children. That are children

(28:58):
that means that they don't have their parents with they're
working in a facility where they could be exploited, trafficked,
maybe sex trafficked. And then we've got individuals there who
are working at the same facility who were creating, distributing,
and taking advantage of children for child pornography. So this
is something that President Trump has taken seriously as protecting children.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
And he's trying to protect children as much as he can.
And we have Gavin Newsom and other Democrats there in
California defending these people. She was also asked about Alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
They're held to the highest levels of what the federal
government requires for detention facility.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Democrats have called them pages, though.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
I wish they would have said that back during the
Biden administration and back when Democrats were in the White
House and they were piling people on top of each
other on cement floors and literally didn't have two feet
to move. They never did that, and that's why this
politics has to end. We took cameras in there. We
will take cameras in there and show people what these
facilities look like, because if you compare them to what

(29:56):
happened under the Biden administration and under the Obama administration,
these centers are at the highest levels, and they're even
higher than what our federal prison standards are or state
or local off and on.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Now the Trump administration is doing everything the law allows
them to do. Greg and that's what the President promised
the American people when they all seventy seven million of
them voted for him last November, that he would tighten
up the border, which he has certainly done. I mean
the confrontations. Confrontations not the right word, the interchange. What
is going on between people trying to come across the border,

(30:30):
and see the encounters, thinking of us, the word I
was looking for, are down significantly so. And in the
One Big Beautiful Bill, of course, he's got more money
to complete the wall and to titan border security. The
other part of this, they're what in just four years
of Joe Biden, there were ten million people who came
into this country illegally, many of them criminals, and Donald

(30:53):
Trump is going after him. And that's why you see
and the media loves to show these pictures of ICE
agents confronting people who are trying to stop them, and
they eat it up the American people that I don't
know if the American people understand what's really going on.
They see the pictures, what's going on here.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
They're being incessantly lied to about who the people are
that they're they're apprehending. They think that they're innocent people.
They think that there's some that these are victims that
they're being victimized, that the law enforcement officers are the
bad guys, and that these people that are here illegally
are the are the ones that are being oppressed. It's
not true. You can't even find someone who is actually innocent.
That they could, because every every person that they put

(31:31):
up on a pedestal turns out to be a criminal.
Every time they go into one of these places where
everyone's outraged that they're going to this farm, they're finding
chill unaccompanied children. This is this is child traffickings. And
yet they still after those facts are known, they still protest,
protest and get mad. But that sounds crazy. But is
it crazy?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, that's what's going on. And is it having an
impact on the American people? And as they look at
these videos, hear these stories, what are their impressions. Well, Harry,
a good friend to CNN Yes out with a new
survey showing how the president's polling on immigration has plummeted
in recent months. Who was asked about how the president
is doing when it comes to the issue of immigration.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
In a word, Kate Oof, what are we talking about here?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Take a look at this.

Speaker 8 (32:17):
Trump's net approval rating on immigration got five numbers for
your cross the screen here, a lot of focus on
Gallup at minus twenty seven. That's horrible, Prinipiac University minus sixteen,
that's awful. Marius is bed at minus nine, Ipsosis minus eight,
Fox at minus seven bad. So going from your left
side bed to just downright terrible on the right side

(32:38):
of your screen. The American people have turned against President
Donald Trump on what was his best issue, one in
which he had a positive net approval rating for most
of his term, and arguably the issue that got him,
of course, the GOP nomination all the way back in
twenty sixteen, and one of the issues, of course, he
used last year to quite a successful degree.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Now, Greg, this one confuses me because every poll we've
seen for helm months, the American people want these people deported.
Voters want these people out of the country. Yeah, you
get that. Now you get this poll. And this the
impact I think of the media has on the American
psyche now saying they don't they think Donald Trump's immigration
policies and ice are being too aggressive. I don't know

(33:17):
if I agree with these latest polls.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Well, if it were one, we could say that, But
there's five here, and and what I think it is.
What I think it shows us and what we have
to take inventory of. And this audience isn't who's polled
in this poll. By the way, I think we're the
clear thinking ones that are paying attention. But this works,
This chaos, this lawlessness, this political violence. I used to
hear in campaign elections all the time. I hate negative,

(33:42):
negative campaigning. Negative, don't do negative campaigning. You know what
negative campaigning works? It works? Actually, yeah, this what they're
doing by making criminals out to be victims. It works.
Whether they do when they stop these cars, when they
throw stones or throw rocks or even shoot at federal
law enforcement officers. The people just don't want the chaos

(34:02):
and feel so unsettled, and they just want someone like
Trump to stop it. They I don't know that they
mentally think that, but these polls show that the left
and their violence, their political violence, is working like a charm.
All I can say is we have to call it
out every time we see it, like we're doing right now,
to let you know that what the narratives that get
you're given, they're not true. If you watch some of

(34:25):
these I'm watching them on social media, ice will have
different regions that will report, they'll do it different ways.
Other law enforcement agencies will they'll give you the full
rap sheet on these people that they're apprehending, which will
look and sound nothing like what the media has told
you these victims are supposedly going through. And so there's
a very effective campaign going on.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, I remember what Rush said many and many years ago.
I caught them one day. He was asked about public
opinion polls, and they said, public opinion polls used to
reflect public opinion, not anymore. Public opinion polls today are
designed to create public opinion. And I think that that
is what is taking place.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
It will never slow down our president trump down administration,
but Congress can be very skittish about these things. The
Republicans with that thin majority could be scared away from
policies and budget decisions with poles like that. So that's
where that that's where the Democrats are doing very well.
They don't have to they've never had to prove anything,
they never had to build anything, they've never had to

(35:22):
show anything. They just have to criticize and attack and
demean and it's and it works human nature. I don't
know why, but human nature fear becomes a motivator. And
when you become afraid or you bec the chaos, you
just want it to end, and that the people that
are pushing it would stop. You think things would calm down.
And they express it by poles.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Like this, And how are they attacking ice? First fall?
They attack them on the mask wearing Yes, okay, they
call them Nazis, they call the Gestapo. These are the
words that they're introducing into the everyday language for Americans.
And Americans are looking at going wait mate, guys dressed
up with guns and masks and bulletproof vast and all
of this, and they're Nazis or they're Gestapo, they're scarin us.

(36:04):
And I think the Democrats, we should say the media
legacy media and the Democrats are starting to feel some
success by characterizing people from ICE law enforcement in that picture.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, exhibit A. You've got this represent state represented from
a Rhode Island who's just demonizing ICE, calling it saying
they're going after our neighbors, they're taking away. Even the
Senator of Padia from California says, I I'm afraid I'm
going to go to a home deepoks I like to do.
You know some home improvement. I'm going to get apprehended.
It's a lie. It's not even close to the truth.
The one that the Rhode Island representative went after and

(36:36):
said the ICE was terrorizing their neighbors. He ended up
being a violent MS thirteen gang member. The picture of
him being apprehended by ICE is him smirking at the camera. Fentanyl, trafficking,
all kinds of things. The guy's got a mile long record.
But the way this state representative Democrat makes it sound,
they just went into your neighborhood and just ripped some

(36:57):
poor Maryland man out of his backyard barber again.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, sure, all right. We want to get your calls
and your thoughts on this. These polls are they reflecting
how American feel Americans feel about Donald Trump and his
attitude toward illegal immigration in this country and what he's doing.
Do you support it? Have they gone too far? Do
you support what Tom Holman is doing? Eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five seven

(37:20):
eight zero one zero are on your cell phone. All
you do is have to dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
we look forward to hearing from your comments coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show. New polls show that
the American people are starting at least some polls showing
the American people are turning against the President because of
his illegal immigration tactics. Do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
One quick example before we go to our great listeners
is NBC News reported and this is the headline, Immigrants
and overcapacity. Iiced attention say they're hungry, raised, raised food
quality concerns. But if you watch the Homeland Security page,
it says fake news. It says any claim that there's
a lack of food or subprime conditions that ICE detention
centers are false, and it goes into great detail about

(38:03):
why that headline has no basis in fact whatsoever. But
the American people will see that NBC News the headline
or Congressman Debbie Wasserman, who is now legitimately crazy, complained
over the weekend that these poor ICE detainees have to
brush their teeth where they go to bathroom. Well, that's
called a bathroom where the toilet end. There's a sink.

(38:24):
That's a bathroom. And I don't know why you thought
that should be in separate rooms. It is the case.
New architecture does have that little amenity to it. But
to say that where they brush their teeth and go
to bathroom in the same room as in humane, Well
that would just be about a lot of homes we're
talking about that, or not even in the low rent district,
we're talking high rent district.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well, she's made so much money in Congress. Now she
probably has a mansion that the bathroom, the toilets in
a different room than the sink, and she doesn't.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Realize, Yeah, it is in the same room. And uh yeah,
But that's the that's the distortion. That is that the
that the American people are being bombarded with every single day,
and it's working. It works. I'm telling you, I don't
like it, but we've got to be mindful that their
lives are working.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty or on
our Appcanarrest dot com, the iHeartRadio app. Just look for
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can leave a comment there as well. Let's go to
the phones. We begin with Robert in Sandy tonight here
on the Rod and Greg Joel. Robert, thanks so much
for listening and joining us.

Speaker 9 (39:30):
Oh I love to listen to you guys, say listen,
First off, I don't know who they're pulling. It may
also have a lot to do. You live, we're in Utah.
We don't feel it as much. I'm coming to or
I used to teach thirty miles from the border. Absolutely
felt this what I'm poor actually, if Trump is just
trying to clean up a mess, not just from Biden,
but we haven't had an immigration policy maybe since Reagan V.

(39:52):
Even then it wasn't a great policy. We used to
have worker visus so people could come into the country,
they could work, they can apply for We don't have
a path or citizenship. The whole system is a mess.
And this is really not Trump's fault. It's not Biden's fault.
It's Congress. Congress has done absolutely nothing, oh for the
last many decades to solve this problem. And hopefully we

(40:16):
have the House, we have the Senate that maybe Trump
can take this opportunity right now and say, hey, for once,
get off your butts and do your job.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
That's a good point, Robert, I absolutely agree with him.
I think you have to have it. If once you
seal the border, you can actually deal with how do
you have a sane immigration policy so that it doesn't
attract or incentivize people to break the law. And then
once you're not paying people under the table and illegally
and you have to pay with payroll and everything else,
doesn't that raise wages and make it and make it

(40:45):
more fair. Then we'll find out how much of a
shortage we actually have in labor if you actually are
paying real wages. Let's go to Warren, who's been waiting
an eagle mountain. Warren, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (40:58):
Hey, thanks, guys, you're doing a great job.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (41:00):
Listen, I got to say that first thing Rod you mentioned, Uh,
this guy's a friend of CNN. That's a big old
red flag for me to begin with. I have to
agree with a call from Sandy. Nobody's ever asked me
how I feel about it, and I'm I support Trump and.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Home and all the way.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
And do you feel, Warren, do you feel his uh,
the enforcement tactics on his part and Ice have gone
too far? Because you look at those pictures and people
don't who don't understand what's going on, say, man, this
is this going a little bit too far? I don't
think it is they're asking for it. In my opinion,
what say you, Warren.

Speaker 10 (41:36):
No, I don't agree with them at all. I watched
those things. I used to live in Camery of California,
and uh, I don't know why some of these guys
didn't just stop those bands from turn around and you know,
put some rubber bullets in those guys or something. But no,
I support the ice ice on.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (41:57):
I don't think they're doing anything wrong. I don't think
they're doing it saying against the against.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
The law than you look. It's they are federal law
enforcement officers enforcing federal law. Okay, that's that's that's what
they're doing, and that's what they're expected to do. And
just because we've had administration after administration that's cast a
blind eye to the law and has disregarded the law,
open the borders. They're following the law. They have even

(42:22):
in the cases where they have gone and got warrants
and and done it exactly as all the cry babies
and people said they were not doing it, they do
it to the tea. They still condemn it. You know why,
because at the end of the day, the leftists, they
want an open border all the consequences that creates. They
want no deportations. They want no removal. Yeah, there's no
circumstance where they would support a deportation. It doesn't matter

(42:45):
how how evil the criminal is, it doesn't matter how
innocent the child is that they find. They're still going
to demonize it because they want no removals, no deportations,
and they want an open border to change the demographics
in the country the country.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
You're right, all right, more your call. Some comments coming
up on the Roden greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
K n R S.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Are you having a stroke coming right now?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
No, I'm fine as fine, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Give me the alphabet.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Can you be B, C, D okay, G.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
You know just remember you know, so.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Are you at that age when you go to well
you never go to the doctor, do you?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
No? No, I know I have an annual physical.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I'm to the point now where they give you the
cognitive test.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh yeah, I think he does.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
You know, if they ask you, they'll give you a
time and you have to show it, like on a
clock like ten after eleven you have to draw it.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Looks like you think everybody gets that test. They don't. Actually,
this is everything else. Yeah, referral, actually referral, and.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
They give you, they give you three words, and you
have to remember all three.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Okay, Joe, Okay, sleepy Joe. That isn't That isn't a thing.
That's not a I love how you said. Everybody gets it.
No they don't. Yeah, that is not a thing.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yes you do. If you're a certain age, we all
get it. You're just laughing at the thing. I know
this is a you just this as the clock thing.
I can get right, but I can't remember the three
all the time.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
You do it on the air.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Right now, there we are. Oh, I thought we were
doing a break.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
This is a This is like Idaho for you. This
is your touchdown. It's free free.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
I think I probably have a much higher IQ than
you do.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I suspect, yeah, thank you, I think I do. Mister Hughes,
Oh my god. All right, we're taking your calls, uh
pulling by hand. Let's play this sound bite from Harry
Enton again CNN, some new pulling out on how Donald
Trump is doing when it comes to immigration.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
In a word, Kate, what are we talking about here?
Take a look at this Trump's not approval rating on immigration.
Got five numbers for you across the screen here a
lot of focus on Gallup of minus twenty seven. That's horrible,
Prinippiac University minus sixteen, that's awful. Marius is bad at
minus nine, ipsosis eight, Fox at minus seven bad. So

(45:03):
going from your left side bad to just downright terrible
on the right side of your screen. The American people
have turned against President Donald Trump on what was his
best issue, one in which he had a positive that
approval rating for most of his term, and arguably the
issue that got him, of course, the GOP nomination all
the way back in twenty sixteen, and one of the issues,
of course, he used last year to quite a successful degree.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
So what do you make of that it's working?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I think the political violence and the lies that really
the propaganda that's being pushed by the media. And I
can I can cite chapter and verse where the headline
doesn't match the truth. It's having its effect. And that's
why they do it. I mean, we sit here and
we wonder why are they so crazy? Are these democrats
so crazy that they are going to embrace blatant political violence,

(45:51):
blatant attacks on enforcing the law. The answer is yes,
and they're not as crazy as you might think because
that poll. By the way, the reason why we pick
Harry Enton from CNN because it's you know, it is CNN,
you gotta watch out is usually well every time up
until now, all the polls he was he was sharing
with his you know, sad host of the show was

(46:14):
that Trump was winning. I mean, we have enjoyed listening
to Harry Enton narrate to the CNN audience how Trump
is winning with the people. The people support him. This
is one of the first times I've seen in such
a dramatic way something that is so intuitive for me
that this is lawlessness and political violence and should be
it should indict everyone who says it or does it

(46:35):
is working. It is actually changing people's mind and it
goes back to that fear. Let's go back to Tesla takedown. Okay,
destroying Elon Musk's dealerships and people's Tesla's have nothing to
do with anything, and what does it do. It creates
It creates that chaos, which creates fear, and then people
want to repel away from it, and that that doesn't

(46:56):
bode well for those that were like Elon finding waste
and fraud and government doesn't bode well for deporting and
removing illegals from our country. The people get persuaded by fear. Sadly, Yeah,
they do. They do well.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Let's hear what some of our listeners on our talk
back line are saying about Trump and his immigration policies
right now. Hey, Rod and Greg, this is Dallan. I
completely agree with the.

Speaker 11 (47:19):
President, and my opinion is that the people who are
kind of swaying or saying that they're swaying against the
president are people who didn't vote for him in the
first place.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 11 (47:29):
I'm certain it's not completely correct, but I think the
president's doing exactly what he should be doing, and he's
protecting our country.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, I think there are a lot of Americans out
there still, Greg, who believe him. Here's another comment.

Speaker 12 (47:40):
I think they're doing an awesome job, and I love
what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
You're here illegally.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
We have laws for a reason.

Speaker 12 (47:48):
So I think they're doing an awesome job, and I
hope they keep it up.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
They can do more.

Speaker 12 (47:52):
I hope they do more, and I don't think they've
gone too far. I think I don't even think they've
hit the ICE for the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Yet, so.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
All right, here's one more comment.

Speaker 12 (48:04):
I want to add something else. Also, ICE is doing
an awesome job. Of course Trump is. Also, I don't
think they're doing enough, because what Trump should be doing
is having ICE arrest those people who are throwing rocks
and being violent towards ICE. I think they need to
start arresting those.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
People, and Trump needs to.

Speaker 12 (48:28):
Give ICE permission to do that, since regular city law
enforcement won't do it.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I think he has done that, if we are to
believe his truth media posts or social media posts. He
did see that. He said, I'm coming away from Texas
after the disaster, I toured it. I'm seeing the video
of the ICE agents being attacked by the people there
in that in California, and I'm instructing ICE to apprehend
and arrest those that do that, and all the vehicles

(48:53):
they were destroyed. Yes, and so he has affirmatively done that.
I do think that many of us, most of us
are still absolutely on board. By the way, if you
look at the number they're deporting by day, they're not
even going to get to Barack Obama's no numbers right now.
Isn't that something that someone is committed and putting this
much political capital into this can't even match the Democrat

(49:17):
pres you know Barack Obama's effectiveness of deporting and removing
illegal aliens, which they did. They had a rocket docket.
They would put them in those detention centers and send
them out there fast, because back then that's what people
wanted and they wanted to play to the crowd. You've
got a president who's doing it, who was totally shouldn't
did it. Seventy seven million people voted for him, and

(49:37):
he still can't hit that pace because of what the
Democrats are doing to get in his way with judges
and now with opinion polls. You watch Congress get scared
over this.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Well, my opinion is, if you want to protest, you
have a right to protest in this country, right, but
once you impede on a police action or throw something
at a police officer, you know what, you get arrested.
And you know why I hauled off.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
You know, we believe that because if we did it, that's.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
What that's what would happen to.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Us, That would happen to every one of our listeners.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, that's for sure, all right, more of your calls
and comments coming up eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero triple eight five seven o eight zero
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Just leave a message. Also message and we'll try and
get to that as well.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Go to Lisa, who's been waiting from Brigham City. Lisa,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (50:23):
Hello.

Speaker 13 (50:25):
Hey, Trump's done a great job, but I just don't
think that they're doing enough fast enough, because I'm afraid
that Utah, especially the Ogden Brigham City area, is turning
into a sanctuary city.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
You know, at least it's gone.

Speaker 13 (50:41):
From flowers go ahead. We've gone from flowers being sold
on corners and now we've got ice drinks being sold
on corners. Something's going on in Utah and not enough
of being taken care of. Other than that, Trump's done
a wonderful just not enough, fast enough.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
All right, interesting comment. There's a listener saying faster and
do more.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
We had one color that said that he didn't feel
or see the impacts as much, but there's a lot
of people like Lisa that have felt it more in
their communities than before. And I'm telling you Utah is
not immune to It feels like a border state like
much of this country has after what Biden did of
over the last four years. Let's go now to Bryce
from Spanish Fork. Bryce, thank you for holding. Welcome to

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the Writing Greg Show.

Speaker 14 (51:29):
Thanks guys. The point I wanted to make is we
should be going more after the businesses that are hiring
the illegals. I'm all about getting them out of here.
It's not a matter of taking people's jobs. It's the
tax evasion that's going on, right. And if the government
would go a little bit harder after the companies, or

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really a lot harder after the companies taking advantage of
these people, I think that would really change the narrative around.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I agree with you. I think the company so of
course they're looking for cheap labor, well, you know it's
down on their cost, and they are hiring these people.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
We passed the law when I was there that they
everybody had to go through the verify and then you know,
this is why we can't have nice things. I leave
and they go and they make it up to one
hundred employees or something, some big giant number before you
have to do it. And you know that also helps
with the dentity theft. You have to understand that anybody
that's here illegally, if they want to even try to
get a job, that's not where the employer doesn't know

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outright that they're here illegally. They're committing a dentity theft.
They're taking someone's identity.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
You may understand being in the legislature and the tremendous
knowledge that you have. I hear sometimes, well, these people
are here illegally, but they're paying taxes. What do they
mean by.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
That, Well, minimally, they're paying sales taxes. That would be minimally.
But if you steal a light, you can get a
you can get a Social Security number. It could be
a child, So they don't know until they're eighteen that
that number that their denty has been stolen. But there
there's a market for it. And if you steal someone's identity,
you would pay through the payroll, And so I guess

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they're paying on behalf of whose identity they've stolen. But
I think the person would rather not have had their
identity stolen than have taxes paid under their name. But
there's just so many problems with illegal immigration and the
ripple effect it has, And if you don't enforce the laws,
what's that say to the people that wanted to come
here lawfully, thought that our laws were in effect and

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applied and have tried to go through that process. It's
inhumane to them that are actually trying to do it
the right way. So there's just so much, there's so
much downside to the illegal side, just casting a blind
eye or saying under a banner of compassion, if you
came here illegally, even if you were a child and
you got a college degree, how sad is it that
that young person, once they got that degree, will have

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to get commit identity theft to go into an HR
department and get a job. What's this under? This is
like under the table white collar work. Now it just
grows on itself. And until you secure that border, you
can't even begin to deal with that. But you have
to have, as the caller mentioned, some you gotta go
after businesses that are looking to pay lower than market
wage and you have to go and make a viable

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way for people to come here here legally.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
And hopefully we'll get to that sometime.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, Well, the securing the border is like step one,
and I don't think we're at that point as of Yeah,
we're getting closer every day.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
The encounters are way down, but we need more of them.
All right. When we come back here in the Rod
and Great Show on this Monday, we'll talk about political speech.
That's all coming up on the Rod and Great Show.
Stay with us.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
So joining us on this show is Susan Shelley. She's
a columnist for the Southern California News Group.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
She's surviving the police, the public state of California. Yea,
the people's are people public California. It's a crazy how
she's doing it, but she's surviving.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I'm very excited to hear in this interview. We'll listen
to her voice, see if it's trembling when we talk
about it. We're yeah, but she in her topic policing,
the political speech. It's a hot topic this It is Susan. Welcome,
thank you for joining us on the program.

Speaker 15 (55:09):
Thank you great to be with you.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
We just want to make sure you're okay. First fall, Susan,
because we know you're living in a very difficult part
of the country. Is everything okay?

Speaker 15 (55:18):
Well, no, everything here in Los Angeles is most definitely
not okay.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Can you speak freely?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Are you all freely?

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Just say yes? Don't don't let him know what your
question is.

Speaker 15 (55:30):
Well, normally I speak by blinking that. That won't work
on the radio.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
No one, that won't work. Student, tell us about this
story you wrote for that we picked up in the
Daily News about the police, you know, potential speech. What
was the reason you wrote this story? What were you
trying to say?

Speaker 15 (55:46):
Well, there was a remarkable acquittal from the from the
United States Court of Appeals in the I think second
district of a Okay, someone rested in twenty twenty one
by the Biden Justice Department for posting memes during the
twenty sixteen campaign when Hillary Clinton was running. This guy

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posted joke memes saying be sure to vote for Hillary
avoid the line you can vote by text, and they
were styled exactly. They were styled to look like campaign ads,
but they were obviously a joke. There was another one
that said you can vote for Hillary Clinton by typing
Hillary pound presidential election on Facebook or Twitter while the
polls are open. Obviously a joke. Arrested for it in

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twenty twenty one. Now, these went up in twenty sixteen,
but after the Democrats retook the White House seven days
after Biden was sworn in, after Trump was out, and
could not have pardoned this gentleman. Was He was indicted,
he was arrested, he was put on trial. He was
convicted by a jury in Brooklyn which voted eighty percent

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for Hillary Clinton, and it's been on appeal ever since.
He was sentenced to seven months in prison, but it
was suspended while he was appealing his case, so he
did not serve any time, which is fortunate because the
appellate court said, no, no, no, this is the First
Amendment and you don't have any evidence of a so
called conspiracy. The FBI did this huge investigation, found not

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even one person who was fooled into thinking that that
was how they were going to vote, and the appellate
court said this, you've just got nothing. You can't even
prove that supposedly he conspired with someone else to do this,
and I think in chat rooms on Twitter, the idea
that people were passing messages around about playing this trick
on Hillary Clinton's voters, and that was the basis for

(57:40):
a conspiracy indictment, because they even admitted themselves that independently
posting these memes was totally protected by the First Amendment.
So this was another disgraceful censorship effort by the Democrats,
by the Biden White House, probably helped by the Hillary
Clinton people who stored it up waiting for Biden to

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take office. And it was reversed by the appellate court.
They didn't just send it back for a new trial.
They sent it back with directions to enter and acquittal.
And now I believe Douglas Mackie is going to sue
the Justice Department over this, and I hope he wins.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, me too, say you, Susan, I'm glad you brought
this to light. It's one of those stories that I
really wasn't keeping track of. One of the things that
I'm curious about is we see this law fair and
all I ever hear about if you're going after the Democrats,
doj or any of the players, is there's a statute
of limitations issue that you always confront. I don't know

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how you could skip terms of a presidency and then
once a Democrat took office you can go back to
a twenty sixteen Facebook or a social media post. My
question is this, though, when the weight of the federal
government comes at someone, their guilt or innocence almost becomes irrelevant.
They just wanted to go away. They can't afford it,
They can't afford the attorneys, they can't afford what's going

(58:57):
to happen to their lives. How was this individual able
to forward legal representation and actually navigate his way through
this to make sure that he wasn't falsely imprisoned.

Speaker 15 (59:07):
I believe he racked up seven hundred and twenty eight
thousand dollars in legal bills. There were I think a
number of people who helped him raise money to pay
for it, but not all of it, not yet, And
I think that's how he did it. And when President
Trump took office again, he made a statement say, I
do not want to pardon. I want to fight this
out because this has to be exposed for what it is.

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And more power to him.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Did anyone involved in all of this Susan ever read
the Bill of Rights and the right of free speech?
Did that just fall off of what happened?

Speaker 15 (59:39):
Isn't that disturbing?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (59:41):
I think one of the worst things about this is
the underlying incident of posting the meme the government admitted
was protected speech, So what did they go after him?
For conspiracy against rights. They used this law from the
Jim Crow era that was supposed to protect black voters
from the Klan, and they, well, he's trying to deprive

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and injure people who are going to vote by telling
them they can vote by text. And he conspired with
at least one other person because he downloaded the memes,
so that's like one other person who made the meme,
and that therefore they could call it a conspiracy and
go after him for something that was otherwise protected by
the Bill of Rights. And I think this is so
disgraceful and so Unamerican, and people who did this to

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him are the ones who should go to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
So here's my question. It's so intuitive, it's so obvious,
But yet a so called jury of his peers in
Brooklyn found him guilty. Are we to the point in
America where it's impossible with a jury of your peers,
whether it's a DC Circuit court or in Washington, DC
jurisdiction or in Brooklyn, to get a fair trial if

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you're right of center.

Speaker 15 (01:00:52):
Well, there certainly seemed to be jurisdictions where that's the case,
where Republicans can be put on trial as President Trump
was put on trial York and convicted for nothing. And
this made up case that had never been prosecuted before,
these these statutes that never applied and passed, the Statute
of Limitations and all the rest of it. And they

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they go and they find him guilty of whatever it was,
thirty four counts of nothing. And it does seem like
in New York, if you're a Republican, you should probably
ask for a change.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
As for sure, Susan, Well, Susan is always great chatting
with you. We appreciate your time. We aren't hearing a
knock on the door in the background with something them
coming to get you for doing this, and we're very
worried about you.

Speaker 15 (01:01:38):
Right now, I've locked the doors the game.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Okay, all right, okay, thank you. You're Susan Shelley from
southern California talking to us about the policing a political stage.
What a horrible story that is. She's racked up nearly
a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Over seven hundred thousand. You have to firms willing to hold,
you know, carry that that bill or that debt, and
that's hard to find. The left, by the way, they
get these firms and these lawyers that come out of
the woodworks to support anybody who has a has a
beef against the Trump's administration or wants to sue. They
find a legal representation everywhere. You are right a center

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and you have the full way of the federal government
coming after you. Good luck finding the attorneys. I mean,
look at poor Flynn, Michael, General Flynn. What happened to
him and his finances? He got destroyed because of this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah he did. And the guys on the left too,
will represent you oftentimes do it for nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
They will, they'll pro bon know it. And uh and
and yeah, you think that the Maryland man had money
for all those attorneys he's got running him, you know,
keeping him in jail now he wanted to get out
and then when he found out, he get to get
the porties trying to stay in. But anyway, it's it is.
It is not a level playing field. And I don't
know that juries of a jury of our peers, which

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is our right or civil hight, you're a civic right.
I don't know that that's possible in certain parts of
this country.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
That's true. That's true. All right, more coming up the
Rod and Greg Show with you on this Monday afternoon,
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine KNRS,
I want to bring it take a minute and talk
about this story involving this Utah doctor, doctor Kirk Moore.
Apparently Saturday morning, the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, ordered the
Department of Justice to dismiss charges in the case against

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doctor Moore. He was facing charges of running a fraudulent
COVID nineteen vaccination scheme out of the Plastic Surgery Institute
of Utah during the pandemic. We have not talked a
lot about this. This turned out to be a real
interesting story.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It was you know, it was a sad story. I mean,
I think that this doctor was had serious concerns about
these mandates and people being forced to have these COVID
shots and proof that they had those shots taken and so.
But this case, a lot of our listeners, I'm sure
at least knew somebody that was involved in terms of

(01:04:00):
the protests. They had big crowds outside the federal courthouse.
But I also know that a lot of our state leaders,
state leaders who have good relationships inside the Trump White
House were reaching out as well. But I gave it
a very I didn't really want to. I didn't want
to give anyone any false hope. And I did not
think it was even possible that this case as far

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because you've even paneled a jury, you're in the middle
of a trial. I didn't think that the momentum had
gotten away. I thought there was no way that that
case could be halted at that point, and yet it happened.
I think it's a miracle. I really do. I think
you got to look at it that way, because I
don't know where you could find it's something like this anywhere,

(01:04:43):
especially when they had gone this far and put that
case together. It took them a while to do it. It's
a what a miracle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Well, put yourself in a patient's position. We all had
to have the COVID nineteen cards, the vaccination cards, right,
some people didn't want to get a vaccination. They you know,
and you a doctor who you know, he is saying
what a lot of doctors were saying. I think around
the country at the time, Greg, we don't need these
This a respiratory illness. It will go away. Young people

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are fine. Older people we need to protect, which we
eventually did, but we didn't have a very good job,
and these people are coming to him saying, I don't
want this vaccine. Please help me, can you, you know,
can you help me get around this law? And this
doctor was listening to what his patients were saying to him,
and he helped him out. Now, did he break the law,

(01:05:31):
probably so you know, you could argue, yeah, he probably did,
but still you got to look at the overall circumstances
on this one, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So they would interview and the media would wait for him,
and in one interview this is just last week, he
came out and he was understandably and justifiably emotional about
it all and appreciating the support too, because this is
it's been a very long process for this doctor, a
very terrible process that he's had to live through, and
so seeing the support and seeing people that were supporting

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I think was really good for him to see. I
think it contributed to his emotions. But what he said
was when they tried to say did you do it
for your wife and your kids and for your community
and for your friends, he just he boiled it down
to a bottom line. I just want to do what
was right. I just want to do what was right,
And he followed his conscience, and I got to tell
you that, Yeah, I don't know what the typical penalty

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would be for saying that you've administered a shot that
you didn't administer, that you said was something, but it
was something different. I have no idea what any of
that precedent would be. My fear is with the lawfair
going on with Democrats, that they were probably going at
this doctor far worse than what that would typically be.
But that all said, I did not think it could
be just dropped, and they just dropped it. And I'm

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telling you everyone just needs to see it for the
rarity that it is in the miracle it is because
it just I don't think the DOJ is that highly
com I mean, they'll take their orders from above, but boy,
there's a lot of people that put a lot of
work into that that you would have to pull. There'd
be fingernail, you know, trails inside that courtroom where they're

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pulling those US attorney's assistant US attorneys out of that
courtroom because they they would have probably been pretty invested
in well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
On Saturday, he made some comments on the local media.
He said he basically went with his gut, his gut
was telling him protect these people. I'm not gonna make
them get a vaccine, but I'll issue a card to
protect him. So he's going with his gut right. He
also said, I just did what was right. I just
did what my patience wanted. Key. I talked to them
about full informed consent. You can't have informed consent with

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people when you don't know what you're injecting them with.
And a lot of people were very afraid of these vaccinations.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Well have they been proven right? I think they have.
I think there's a I mean, I research out there
on I think there's a lot of problems with with
heart issues, and I just you see more sixty year
olds dropping than I've ever seen before. And I just
don't think I wasn't paying attention before. I think there
is something different that's happening now with the public health
that we didn't have prior to these vaccination mandates.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
And look at the number of young men whose heart
have been impacted by these vaccines. These are young, healthy
young men in this country. There are a ton of them,
but there are enough that you should pay attention to
what's going on. But they were impacted by this at all,
And we went in with this. You have to have
this vaccine. You have to have a card showing you do.
I remember I think we traveled. We were going somewhere.

(01:08:27):
We had to show them the card and say, yeah,
we've been vaccinated. But it bothered a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah, I you know, I most of all, almost all
my family, we were not vaccinated, and then it impacted
our choices of where we could go, what we could do,
because we weren't going to do that. I used to
get an antibody test every month. It's a show I
had because I got COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I remember you telling us that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
And so I'd pay ninety bucks or whatever, and I'd
go in that parking lot and wait my turn, and
then they'd take the test, and then I wait for
the results, and I would show for whoever was interested
because I'm not getting the vaccine, but I have antibodies
that I've got something in me that will fight off
COVID if it comes my way. That's the best I
could give them. If that wasn't gonna work, then I wasn't. Yeah,

(01:09:08):
that's that's the best I could do. So I don't
think I flew during that time, because I think you had.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
To have that the vaccination.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, I just I just decided, And I was lucky
enough that I know friends whose circumstances are employment they
don't have They didn't have an option. They had to
do it because they had to stay employed. They at
their bought their work was requiring them to travel for
certain you know, training and things like that. So I
don't know, I I I don't blame anyone who did it,

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who took who got the vaccine because of the pressure
and how hard it was to conduct your life if
you didn't. But boy, I tell you, are the civil
liberties that were taken from us because of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
And then to give it to these kids where they
were the healthiest, most immune from this virus of all
on planet Earth, and for them to be forced to
be given those, uh, those vaccinations, it's just terrible, absolutely
terrible of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Al we still have a lot to get to. Is
another half the Rod and Greg Show coming your way
coming up. We'll talk about Donald Trump ten years later
and after all he's gone through, he's still standing hall.
We'll talk about that right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine knrs uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
No, Look, man, I don't have to take the cognitive
test you know to doctor shouldn't be asked me questions
where you don't know where you were ten years.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Ago today I was here probably working.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
That way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Well, it's a year and a month ago. Donald Trump
came down the golden escalator, remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Remember I remember when he announced it. Donald Trump, come on, really,
I think had like one percent recognition among voters or so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah, high recognition. I have a lot of support he
didn't have.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, a high recognition, right, but people are come on, Donald,
what do you? And look where he is today?

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yep. I remember that I was speaker, uh in twenty fifteen,
that was my first year Speaker of the House, and
I was on a legislative trip and this topic came up. Yeah,
and I was at a table for dinner and I said,
I think this guy's got a serious chance, and everybody
at the table laught.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
I laughed at you. He only only like one percent
of the people out there supported him originally.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
And what but what changed my mind was that was
that the ratings like there was just there was just
a lot of attention there. He wasn't polling well, but
the viewers, the viewers and the attention he was getting.
I hadn't seen a candidate yet. Yeah, so I thought, actually,
he's he's more viable than you think. Was I was
what I thought back then.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
And as you like to allude to, I've been around
for much longer than you and I have. I have
never seen the passion that people have for a political
candidate as much as they have for Donald Trump. Maybe
a little bit for Barack Obama, but primarily coming from
Black America at the time because he would be become
the first black president. But I've never seen this much

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passion and devotion people have for a for a candidate
and Donald Trump, and I think it goes back to
his authenticity. He's authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
And you know, he drew in a voting bloc that
didn't participate in elections campaign elections. They were people that
hate politicians and don't they don't trust politicians and they
hate politics, and so they weren't interested in voting for
any candidate of any party. And Donald Trump was able
to capture that support. That's why you see the numbers
of people that voted higher than you've ever seen before.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Well, after all the attacks on Donald Trump, he's still
the stand up guy. Joining us on our newsmaker line
to talk more about that is Andrew Malcolm. He is
a political commentator at Red State. Andrew, thank you for
joining us tonight. This guy doesn't sleep at night. He's
kind of like the ever ready bunny that keeps on going.
What makes him tick, Well, it's the termination, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
I mean, the real estate business is a tough business,
and he succeeded in that several times. And then he
went into show business and succeeded in with the Apprentice,
and that sort of honed his his public skills. You know,

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the two Republican presidents that have been successful in recent times,
Ronald Reagan UH and UH and now President Trumps. They
came out of show business. There's an element of show
a real element of show business in politics, and they
they mastered it. Some of the others who watched the
scene in Washington almost states it's not it's not a

(01:13:35):
good show. And his determination is endurance. And you think
we don't have time, But if I went through all
the ways that they've come at him, with lawsuits and
indictments and sentences and uh even an assassination attempt and

(01:13:59):
and he's still gets up still as what I think,
five or six hours sleeping night. We caught him. We
caught him last month at two thirty am watching c
SPAN to see how some of his appointees were doing
in Congress, I mean in the hearings in Congress. So

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he's determined. And you know, some people don't like his style,
but a lot more people if you look at the polls,
an overwhelmingly large number of people now are supporting him,
way more than voted for him. And I think the
reason is because he does what he says he's going

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to do. That's unusual in politics. He heard in twenty
fifteen and sixteen when he traveled the country the heartland,
he heard from the angry, frustrated people that Washington wasn't listening.
So he made Washington the enemy. And of all the people,
seventeen Republicans in that cycle, that you would think some

(01:15:06):
of them experienced politicians, that you would think not the
fifth Avenue billionaire would be the one to tap into
the to the feelings of the heartland and my heartland,
I mean the middle of the country, flyover country. So
he did, and he said what he was going to do,

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and he published a list of his Supreme Court judges
and then he picked from them and he said he
was going to he would say he was going to
oppose Roe versus way. He said he was going to
oppose abortion, and he did it. He did all these things. Now,
the way he packaged it in the first term didn't
go down well with a lot of people, and he

(01:15:47):
lost in twenty twenty. I think that was actually an
advantage because he wasn't taught that. The first term was great.
You know, he really will recalibrated. And this second term
of Trump, he's smarter, savviier, he's got a better coordinated team,

(01:16:10):
and he's just winning all the time. It's it's very impressive. Yeah,
I wrote in that in that piece. I think I
said that that he was he's a comet, you know.
And you don't see the healing's time whatever, any of them.
You don't see a political comment. You don't see many
of them. And when they tell him to go out

(01:16:30):
in the yard and look and this is what's happening
with him, it's a fascinating experience, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Andrew, here's my question, is it is it the autent
if uf around the edges means he's got grit, he thinks,
he says what's on his mind, he says what he's
gonna do, and he actually does it. But then I
thought a moment for me that at least highlights that
is how frustrated he was with both Israel and Iran.
Everybody wanted to put him in a camp and he
just said, you know the famous where he got so mad.
He says, they've been fighting for so long and so hard,

(01:16:59):
they don't know what they're doing. I paraphrased. Does that
is it the authenticity that this guy has where he's
not perfect, but people believe that it's the real deal.
It's not pageant political pageantry exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
You nailed it. He's politics has become like a photo op.
You know, television is great. It's plugged us into so
many things. But television has changed politics. You know, until
even into the nineteen twenties, presidential Kennedys didn't campaign, you know,

(01:17:33):
I mean, so you didn't get a chance to see them,
certainly in mass media. Thousands of people would go to
their house and stand outside and they'd speak to them
in the afternoon. Television has changed it, and I've produced
a bunch of pre Voice by John Edwards and that,
but it also produced not from politics, but it produced
from show business Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump. And authenticity

(01:18:01):
is I think that's the perfect word he he Now,
let's be honest. I'm sure he said some things or
acts friendly when he might when he might not he's
a human being, when he might not feel all that friendly.
But you get you get glimpses, and you didn't get

(01:18:22):
glimpses with others. And so if you find him, you
find him refreshing. And this time, uh, he's got the
party discipline. Republicans too often seem like they've they've figured
out how to turn victory into decease and and he's
he hasn't done that. And so, like I said a comment,

(01:18:44):
it's fascinating to watch, but also in the substance of
the policy now we see him turning on on Putin,
which I think is worth very worthwhile. Past presidents have
been fooled, especially Obama and some others have been fooled
by Putin and just strung along. They haven't faced up

(01:19:07):
to them. Trump stands up, you know what I mean.
He stood up to the media. He stood up to
the media and sued them and won those cases. And
now he's standing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Up to.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Putin and I believe it genuine. You have to after
I havn't watched this guy is now what three thousand,
six hundred and eighty one days since he came down
that escalator and everybody said, oh, there's no way he
can be president.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Andrew Malcolm joining us on our Newsmaker line talking about
Donald Trump. What do you say, three thousand, six hundred
eighty one days since Donald Trump has come down that
golden escalator? Pretty amazing? And my how things have changed.
They I mean, it's just look at the whoa. There
have been some changes taking place in America and I

(01:19:56):
think really around the world. And I still agree with
what he what he did day on Putin. I mean,
you know, Donald Trump, I think his patience is pretty
good for the most part. And he tried and he tried,
and he tried and he tried. But Putin just won't
want to play. So if you don't want to play,
I'm gonna nail you. Well, that's what Donald Trump is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
And people think that everyone's static. Whatever your position was,
you have to stay there without he isn't He's going
to give you a chance. He felt like if there,
if he has been in office, there wouldn't have been
invasion of Ukraine. But he was going to give him
a chance to back out, back away, find agreement. And
he's not Putin hasn't done it, so on his watch,
on his he's going to decide, because that's how he

(01:20:35):
does things. That this guy isn't, you know, looking me
in the eye and being honest. Now, I'm going to
get tougher, and that's what we expect from him. Just
keep America strong as you're going to get tough when
bullies start bullying.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
That's true, That's true. All right, Mary, coming up, they're
Rod on Greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine Knrs Jesse Kelly coming your way following
our news update at the top of the hour. Jesse
will be with you right up until ten o'clock tonight.
Before the break, we were talking with Adam Malcolm about
about Donald Trump and after everything he's been through, he

(01:21:08):
still stands up. Well, it's a you know, the Democrats
just have Trump derangement syndrome. They just all of them
have a great I've never seen a disease that spread
that quickly for that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Long perfectly reasonable people. Otherwise it just become completely off kilter.
They don't it's stabilitating. I I it is. It is amazing.
I don't know how that man can conjure up so
much just hatred and just just they just get delirious.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Well, here's an example that the former president of the
Culver City, California Surprise Surprise Democratic Club is now asking
the city Culver City to turn off its license plate
reader system because of who Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
I think Culver City should turn off the license plate
plate readers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Well, Donald Trump is in power.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Trump's are going to try to get their hands on
recordings made by these cameras, and it'll be best if
there are no recordings. Trump's masked gestapo thugs are kidnapping
people who live and work here. We aren't told where
they're taking these people South Sudan, the Everglades, Alligator Alcatraz.

(01:22:19):
Trump thinks it's funny jokes about it. The other day
they kidnapped the guy who's been selling popsicles in Culver
City for twenty years. And this stupid law Trump just
signed on the fourth of July. They gave more money
to Ice than they gave to the Pentagon.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Do you think he's suffering a victim of Trump derangement syndrome.
I think he could be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
He needs some hospice care. As what that guy needs.
I'm telling you how he is out of it. He's
look what he is saying. And this is what I
think is they're saying the quiet part out loud, and
I don't know that we're actually getting it. No Democrat
thinks anyone should be deported under any circumstance whatsoever. And

(01:23:06):
everyone so for you able to come into this country
without any law, without adherence to any law. When he
says they're kidnapping, they don't kidnap anyone. They arrest those
who broke the law. When he frames it that way,
he means there's not a law in the land that
someone would have to follow to come into this country.
He doesn't expect any of those laws to apply. No,
and there is no reason, not whether you're a criminal,

(01:23:28):
whether you're trafficking children, that you should ever be deported. Ever,
there's no scenario that they supported.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Remember a few months ago when Donald Trump started talking
tariffs and all the people, all the sky is falling,
We're going into a recession. What is he doing? He
has no idea what he's doing, right, m hm, Well,
guess what has happened now. Economists around the country now
see lower recession risks and stronger job growth.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Imagine that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Imagine that forecasters are nudging up growth, trimming inflation estimates
as terrorists prove lower and less costly than they expected
back in April.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Yeah, and this is right, surprise. Every time you attack
the status quo, the status quo has its defenders, and
they don't want any change. They want you to just
perpetuate whatever it is that they're doing. And so they
bring that. That's why you know recession, and it's fear.
It's again, it's they pedal in fear, and that's what
And then when you break through that, when you have
come even when you prove him wrong, they'll still tell

(01:24:29):
you that he's that Trump is wrong in all this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Remember real quick, a few months, like a few weeks ago,
when someone biles and uh, what's their name? The woman
who's fighting Riley Gaines got into an argument about this
Minnesota team that won the championship. Well, the star player
of that team is trans right, a record of twelve
to zero and the era of point seventy four. Yeah,
left off the state All Star team, Good and boys.

(01:24:52):
Her daddy upset, his daddy, his daddy upset. Yeah, you
should see this kid, no wonder it was twelve to O.
He's a young man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Change to girls, unbelievable. Just use some empathy. If your
daughter had to play against something like that, how would
you feel?

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Yeah, all right, that does it for us. Tonight, head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family, and
that's great, great country of ours. Enjoy your Monday. We're
back tomorrow at four. Good night,

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