The Rod and Greg Show: Free Speech Belongs to All; Kirk Funeral; Newsom

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, the news is like the Utah weather. Give
it five minutes and it will change. Yes, And that's
what's happening in the world of news. And every day,
give it five minutes and something new is going to
come up.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, and I'm breaking news. It turns out that President
Trump is really bad at being a fascist, that this
whole dictator thing that he's doing, he is just not doing.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
It very very well.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, he's failing so because he's an authoritarian and a
fascist and a dictator. He and the FCC apparently kicked
Jimmy Kimmel off the air. Here we sit on a Monday.
He's coming back on Kimmel, will be back longo. Well,
is Trump serious about his fascism or what if he's
gonna if he's gonna knock him off, if the government
was gonna knock him right off the screen, right off

(00:40):
the air, and he was just so heavy handed about it,
old and how is he getting back on right now?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
He's not. I guess he's not very heavy handed.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Is he good at this being fascist? Maybe he's not
a good fascist. Maybe maybe he's not a I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You know, Trump has been very successful in a lot,
but I think we need to give him an f
this dictator thing, yeah, him an eff right right off.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
If they were if the FCC was behind all this
and they did this all on their own, how in
the world is this guy coming back that is just
not very good at your job, if that's what the
job was.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, if you're just joining us on this Monday afternoon
and we're talking about Jimmy Kimmel, ABC announcing today just
a short time ago that he will be back on
the air tomorrow. That didn't take very long, suspended a
week ago, and he's already. I am so surprised that
this will get into this a little bit later on
Greg because I didn't think he would come back. Well,
and by the way, ABC says he's coming back, or

(01:33):
Disney ABC. We have not heard from the two big
broadcasting companies sinclairen Next Star that basically said he's not
back on if he doesn't apologize. I cannot see Kimmel
apologize and.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You I don't. I We'll see, We'll see what happens.
I I yeah, I've been wrong before. I think I
think I was I think I thought I was wrong
and I was right. That's the time I've been wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I've got a long list if you want me to
read it to.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Both of us thought there we'd see some violence or
at least some protests and some disruption in the memorial
service on Sunday, which he did not was. They came
off without all It was a beautiful It was a
beautiful ceremony with no interruption. We thought, statistically speaking, you'd
have to have you'd have some ya who inside that stadium.
It didn't happen, which was a credit to all involved.
But now on this one, you know, I don't know

(02:21):
that he apologizes. There was an interesting interview with Adam
Carolla on I think clam Buck this earlier today. I
was listening to it. He knows him well. They said,
on different sides of the political spectrum, but their friends,
they go way back. And it was Adam Carolla's opinion
that Charlie Kirk is not the type that would apologize.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
He doesn't see him doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean Jimmy Kimmel, Yes, sorry that his friend Jimmy
Kimmel would not, would not, will likely not apologize for anything.
And he's like, I don't know if I would I
would apologize for something, if I thought I was right,
So he doesn't know that he'll do that, But he
did point out that he felt that that Jimmy Kimmel
does appreciate ABC giving him the shot they did. He's
seen a lot of success us even financially, from that show,

(03:03):
and that he worries about his employees. There's many employees
that would lose their jobs or become unemployed if that
show ends, of which if it's up to him, he
would not want that to happen to them. So that's
playing into some kind of calculus with Jimmy Kimmel. We'll
see what he says. I again, I don't care that
he mocked how Trump mourned, and he's a he can
make that. If he thinks that's funny, he can do it.

(03:24):
But when he just completely misinforms the audience and says
that the motivations behind the assassination, the murder Charlie Kirk
all come from the right, come from magas specifically, and
that there are everyone that supports Trump. We're just trying
to hide that fact. That is just a that is
a verifiable lie, and that is not comedy and that
is not opinion.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
That's just a complete falsehood.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
And I think that's the the you know, it's it's
almost depravity to be talking that way in the aftermath
of days of someone being assassinated and killed, and that
was just a bridge too far with many, including the
the stations Sinclair and Next Star station around the country
and the flyover countries. If you're West coast, East coast,
they're a liberal, they love it that he said that.
But if you're in the heart heartland of America, those

(04:07):
comments aren't well received, and so the stations didn't receive them.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, I have two thoughts on this. First of all,
the apology. You know, the stations were asking for an apology.
He could give an apology every night, and I don't
think anyone's going to believe him. No, I don't believe
they think it will be sincere in any way. He
can apologize till the cows come home, and there are
people in America who will not believe him.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, it's almost like that.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's like it's like the view and they have to
apologize that they read the script. It feels like it
feels like an al Qaeda video where there are hostages,
they rip the hood off and they're reading this script
for fear of their life. You know, there is reading
it there, he's if he's if he does, he'll read
a script the attorneys gave him. But I don't I
don't think he'll do that. No, I don't think it
was Maybe he'll just shut up about it.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
And he should. You know what, don't apologize because no
one is going to believe you, Jimmy Kimmel, So just
give that now. The second part of that, what do
we always say it's all about the money. Follow the money.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
It doesn't make money, doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well, they're about four hundred and fifty performers who basically
told Disney, you know, hey, this is wrong. Okay, you've
got you've got producers, writers, I think you. Disney is
very concerned that as they go along with more of
their programs that a lot of these actors and actresses.
Can you say that now, I don't even know if

(05:25):
that's politically correct to say, I've basically told Disney we're
not going to perform for you. We don't care. We're
standing up. So you've got all the Hollywood turn it
against Disney, and Disney needs Hollywood to be able to
be successful. I think that's scared Disney as well. But
the key point is we have yet to hear from
the major broadcast groups of Sinclair and Nextstar if they

(05:47):
will clear Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow night. I don't know if they.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Will until America feels comfortable watching that show. It's the
tail wagging the dog you need. You need actors, ye,
because you're supposed to entertain Americans, all of America, without
regards to their political affiliation. If people are just so
put off and they're just turned off by whether it's
Jimmy Kimmel's show, his words, or a network, I don't
care what these actors want to say. Who the one

(06:11):
a boycott or who they depend on people wanting to
be entertained by them. It's kind of their their modern
day court gestures. Realize the court read the room, and
if they don't, I think it's self defeating.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Do you think there's a TV station in the country
or list say no, we aren't going to carry.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Them if they're allowed.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Honestly, if they're allowed to, I wonder if one of
them has the guts to do it.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I think there's enough syndicated programming out there, like Celebrity
Family feud and things that more eyes would watch and
laugh and enjoy. Then listen to the screed and the
and the stuff that these late night people are saying anymore.
I I don't find it entertaining if they have an option.
I think any channel, if they cared about ratings, would
take those opportunities to have a syndicated show instead of
the so called late night shows.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Jimmy Kimmel will not back down. It will be interesting.
Let them do it. Let them do it, you know,
because as the consumers will decide what they're not. We
like them. A lot of people don't like them to
begin with. This may even make it worse.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Let's put it in perspective. We're talking to a country
of three hundred and thirty million. We're talking one point
seven million if you watch that show at night, so
three hundred and thirty million people in America. This this
is all boiling down to the one point seven million
people a night who actually, before all this happened, did
watch it? Do they still watch it? And is that
number even a large enough number to drive either more
people disliking or driving more attention to your company. I

(07:28):
think that at the end of the day, it's going
to be math. I think that if it makes money,
it makes sense. If it doesn't make money, it doesn't
make sense. And that's how business and free markets ought
to work.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
And by the way, his agreement with ABC ends in January,
so I have to see if they renew.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
If NBC thought Colbert's show was not worth pursuing, they
were hemorrhaging money there. I don't know how this show
on its lackluster raising money.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Tell for this guy did tick off half the country.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely not leto in a Carson
now is he's not looking at certainly like in the
equal opportunity.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
All right, Well, we've got a lot to get to today,
and we all talk about that world time. California's governor
says we need to drill more oil.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, I just love that one saw the light.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
And we'll of course talk about the memorial yesterday. We'll
go there. Scott Howell, former state lawmaker, has some thoughts
on free speech. Yep, we'll dig into what the what
the former sender has to say, and a lot to
get to today and has always great to have you
on the show. Great to be with you. This afternoon.
If you want to be a part of it, eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on your
cell phone, dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod,

(08:35):
or leave us a talkback message as well. Guess what, Greg,
what Gavin Newsom, gruesome Newsom out there in California has
discovered the state has oil and they should probably go
get it.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
You don't say, huh, interesting concept, interesting idea. Let's really
snuck up on him, didn't it.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I did? Hey we have oil? Wow?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
You do that?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And we're kidding of course. The the governor has now
signed a sweeping package of bills. He did so on
Friday to boost oil drilling, rescue wildlife threatened utilities, and
extend the state's landmark climate program. Well, you can find
all the oil out there, you can, but if you
can't find a refinery to refine the oil, it doesn't
do you any good, does it. Join us on our

(09:18):
newsmaker line to talk more about this is Larry Baron's
director of communications for Power of the Future. Larry, how
are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Thanks, great to be with both of you. Gruesome Newsom.
That's the first one I've heard.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, let me ask you this, Larry. You can get
all the oil you it can, but if him got
a way to refine it, what do you do with it? Larry?

Speaker 6 (09:41):
Yeah, and you hit the exact right spot. California's got
two refineries, betters sayd to be shut down as we're
talking today, one just in a few months and then
one in early spring of next year. And that is
absolutely part of the process of dismantling the infrastructure that
Gavin Newsom was more than happy to do during his
whole time as governor and even as time as mayor

(10:02):
of San Francisco. But this and so you would say
that maybe this is a head fake to the center
of Gavin Newsom trying to send with expand oil production.
But my feeling is that he knows prices are going
to spike because of what he's done. He wants to
be able to say, well, I did this and then
just blame it on President Trump. And so it probably
is more than a messaging opportunity for him. But you know,

(10:25):
it's also part of it to say at least he's
seeing the lights.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, I guess that was my question. Is this a
head fake or is this a shift in position in
terms of energy, oil, everything else.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
You're thinking it's a head fake.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
They're going to do zero by way of their refineries,
upgrading them, making them operable. Uh, and the gas prices
will continue to climb in California. Is that what you're
is that what I'm taking from is that what I'm
picking up is that what you're putting.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
That's exactly I think you're right because two reasons. One
is those two refineries we're part of, you know, discussion
on helping them are part of this bunch of bills
that you guys mentioned, and they fell off there at
the edge, and so it's still gonna go up. But
there have been some estimates that California within three years
could be seeing eight dollars a gallon gasoline, and so

(11:16):
that is absolutely atrocious. He doesn't want to blame for that,
so he wants to be able to say, look, I
tried to do something. It didn't work. So even expanding
oil production doesn't work. But let's be clear, he has
ambitions to not be governor of California by twenty twenty nine.
He wants a higher office, and so I think he
wants to also separate himself from the JB. Pritzkers from

(11:37):
the Kafi Hotels of the world to say, hey, listen,
they're really crazy. I'm not that crazy, Larry.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
We've had a discussion on this show for several months
now about the high price of gasoline here in the
state of Utah. One one thing that we've learned is
what's the number, greg Maybe forty percent of the refined
fuel from here in the state of Utah, it's been
shipped to California. Where are they getting their oil from
right now? If they keep on cutting back on gasoline production,

(12:04):
where are they getting it from?

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Such a great question. You know where they're getting it from. Actually,
one of the place they get a lot from Alaska.
One of the places they get it from, no joke,
they get it from the Amazon area. There's actually been
California legislators who are like, we're tired of getting it
from Brazil and other countries. So they this is California's
a green two step. They do it with electricity, they
do it with gasoline. They say, look at us, we're

(12:28):
so green and wonderful. We've shut down our fossil feel
electric generation. We're shutting down our refineries. But then they
pay a premium price to import these products, their electricity,
they import gasoline from you all, and they pay a
premium for it. And that's how you get the highest
prices of the nation across the board.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Because California is not small, and because they'll see their
prices rise, it does have the effect as I was
just describing, of increasing the price here if forty percent,
whether it's California or just being exported out. We have
refineries in Utah out of our state, not being utilized
here in the state of Utah. That inherently raises the
gas prices in Utah, and we're shockingly in the top

(13:06):
ten or top five of costs per gallon even though
we have the infrastructure for fuel. When the more that
California stars itself of its own natural resources and ability
to refine, doesn't that ripple over here to Utah at
some point or to any of the Western states in
terms of how much we're going to pay more because
California will pay a mint for the same fuel or

(13:28):
same oil or gas that we have here. Won't it
impact other states other than California what they're doing right now.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yes, absolutely, And you just put your thumb on the
great point because not only is it the gasoline, but
also the electric grit. And for a while, California has
been the beneficiary of other states not cutting as bad
as California. You look at Arizona, Utah, and Nevada, they
were able to generate the electricity soeuth to California at
a premium. But then as those states also undercut some

(13:55):
of their production, then they're like, no, we need to
take care of our own citizens first, and we don't
have that even had a premium price electricity to sell
at California. So now what you're talking about is energy poverty.
And so I think there, I mean, I would argue
if I was in a Utah's position, I would argue,
there is a good opportunity here. California is losing refineries.

(14:16):
We can build refineries. There will never be a more
favorable federal environment to build refineries, sell it to stilly
California at a premium while still driving down prices in
your neck of the woods. And I can tell you
America's refining capacity for ghastline, it's really centered in between
Houston and New Orleans in the United States, having more
inland refineries and more opportunity there would be fantastic and

(14:40):
can make Utah energy crossroads.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Larry. Final note for your final question for you. Are
these refineries that are being are slated to close in California.
Are they doing so voluntarily or is the state forcing
them to shut down with simply too much regulation.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Yes, and yes and so, and I know that's a
crazy answer, but they'll tell you it's voluntarily because of
the business environment. But the business environment exists because of
what California has done. It's what's happened to our coal plants.
The reason everyone, I assume folks in Utahs while are
seeing their electric bill jump is because we've lost four
hundred fossil fuel electric generation plans since twenty ten. And

(15:18):
every single one of those. The people who cheered when
they closed will say, well, we didn't close it. Well, yeah,
but you made the regulatory environment so expensive that it
couldn't operate out of profit, and so the businesses had
to shut them down. And so that's what the leftists
will tell you. We didn't shut them down, they shut
down on their own. No, you made the environment so unlivable.
So it's kind of like you have a terrible roommate,

(15:38):
and finally you just had enough and you leave. They'll say,
well I didn't force them out, Well, you kind of did.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Great great analogy, Larry, Larry is always great chatting with you.
Thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Ron, Greg, have a great day, all right.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Larry Baron's director of communications at Power of the Future.
And I heard it one time. California and I just
a couple of weeks ago, producing like four one hundred
and fifty million gallons of gasoline every day is now
down to like one to eighty.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that's right, and I'm telling you it's going to
drain this statement. We are going to pay that. Yeah,
Unfortunately we are, our consumers are, our ability to pay
for affordable fuel is going to suffer because of the
decisions they're making in California.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
All right, more to come. It is the Monday edition
of the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one
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Speaker 2 (16:23):
All the things that happened in that in that memorial
service seems like a revival to me. And it's something
in a secular world that we live in now, I
would have never thought I would I would see our leaders,
our cabinet members, and our president and so many thought
leaders really to speaking.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I felt with.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
One voice that was a unifying one and a spiritual
one at the same time. So that was what I
saw from the TV, and you know, watching it from Afar,
I can only imagine what it was like to be there.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Well and to be able to put this together in
what a matter of six or seven days, I mean
an event like that in a matter of days. And
it was spectacular, it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
People are saying that the attendance, the attention, everything related
to it was as as big of a Super as
big as a Super Bowl or bigger. Yeah, and again
they take they take a long long time to get
those those events staged and ready to put, you know,
to kick off. And this was done in a week.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Well, what was it like at that event yesterday? Joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now from iHeart Media
as Kurt Kreshmer, He's a he was there yesterday. Kurt,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Hey, Rod and Greg? How are you? I'm tired today,
but it was definitely inspiring yesterday.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Well, Kurt, let me ask you this, I mean five
hours and as I kept on you, I watched probably
the first three and a half, almost four hours, and
then check back in, in and out throughout the final
hour of the presentation. But I was a make I
didn't see anybody get up and leave, did they, Kurt?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
They did a few, probably three quarters the way in
the Trump's beach, a few started leaving. But it was
a long day. It's longer than five hours. Here's why.
So most people got there midnight to three am, okay,
and it was you you mentioned it earlier as big

(18:15):
as of a Super Bowl or Final four. I've covered
those at that arena. It was bigger because everyone got
there so early and they were waiting in line, and
the doors open at eight o'clock. Okay, It took me
two hours to go the last mile before where my
media parking spot was at a nearby church cross the street,

(18:36):
so you walk in at eight o'clock. They immediately started
with the Christian rock groups. Now it's not my kind
of music. I believe in God, I am s spiritual,
but they were excellent. They were very good, and numerous times, okay,
you know how they do the Sweet Caroline. I was

(18:58):
going to say the Sweet Caroline at baseball stadiums and
they start playing it and then they'll cut the words
to see if the fans will sing along. They did
this and the four or five times, and everybody knew
all the words.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
And when I walked in it was so many people
were dressed for church, the women in dresses, the guys
and coats and pies. And it was a younger skewed crowd.
And I live here, so I know a lot of
the events. The Trump rallies that I've been to, it
was an older skewed crowd. It was a younger skewed crowd.

(19:34):
And everybody was there for Maintaintil eleven in place. Probably
the arena was filled and the actual account was sixty
five thousand in the football arena, so by nine thirty
or ten o'clock everybody was in there. They open up
the hockey arena where the Coyotes, who you guys have

(19:54):
now used to play, and there was fifteen thousand plus
in that arena too right now door.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
So here's a lot of people want to say this movement,
what we're seeing, this is started by or led by
President Trump. I thought my takeaway yesterday watching it again
from Afar, was this is a movement that transcends ther
is a lot bigger than President Trump. He is certainly
someone who spotted that people wanted everyday Americans to have
someone to stick up for them all of those things.

(20:22):
Did you sense that what was happening in that memorial
service honoring Charlie Kirk is bigger than.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
It is bigger than President Trump.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
I I yeah, I do think so, because I do
think that Charlie in seven days became much bigger than life,
because everybody went back and saw the tapes of a
lot of his speeches and appearances, and especially how he
touched young men, where gave them something to believe in,
something to hope for, not to be told that you

(20:54):
have too much toxic masculinity in you, or you're bad,
or girls are better, or that type thing. That it's
good to get married, it's great to have children, and
so this is bigger picture, This is bigger than President Trump.
Because Erica Kirk was so inspiring when Trump came. Everybody
loves him, that's true. But obviously she had the biggest

(21:17):
speech of that day, and every time one of the
cabinet members spoke, or even the turning point his right
hand men Charlie's it was like a state of the
Union address without any Democrats in the building. So when
there was a good line, there was a good line,
everybody would cheer and they knew it, and they were

(21:40):
like the senators cheering for the president, very intelligent crowd,
and they would catch notes, like when Erica Kirk said
something about when this happened, there was no writing, there
was no looting and no crime being committed, which was
a really big line. And then she even topped that
when she said she forgave him.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well and ask you, Kirk, what was that moment like
when she said those three words, I forgive him? What
was that moment? Like, how did it feel? Throughout the stadium?

Speaker 4 (22:09):
It gave me like shit, like like uh, the tingles
or shivers or however you might say. And everyone like,
you know, and then cheered when they realized what she
because you weren't expecting it. You know, you hear somebody
speak and you're kind of thinking, what are they going
to say to finish the sentence with President Trump seazy okay,

(22:30):
And but with Erica Kirk when she said that, like,
oh my god, and and that that was the positive
outlook to have hope to treat your others. Yet well,
and it really fit with the whole theme of the day.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Heard great job. Appreciate a few minutes of your time.
Go get some rest man.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Anytime, guys.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
All right, Hey Kirk Chrishman joining us. I heard media
joining us. He was in the stadium last night for
that marvelous event. And we'll talk more about it coming
up in the five o'clock hour. You and I will
always be together, us and our listeners.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
It's a beautiful relationship. Rock all right.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
I've got a question for you, and I think we
want to explore this on five o'clock hour. How difficult
is it for you to forgive somebody?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, there's a saying out. The loaded question is men
love in haste and they detest at leisure. I'll just
say that, okay. And when I heard Erica Kirk say
what she did, I was stunned. I was I was
moved by it. I don't share that. I'm far away
from this and I don't feel forgiveness at all, and
I should I should. I mean, it's the faith I

(23:44):
subscribe to. You love your enemy, but I don't have
that all come clean.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't feel that way. I'm not saying that I'm
not justifying it. I think I should.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Neither does Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
But yeah, I think he's coming clean and there's a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Us the way the way that Donald Trump feels and
that It really was an incredible moment for Erica Kirk
to share that. And I don't think she was just
saying I don't think she took those words lightly, but
I certainly don't have that.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I think she struggled with doing it. I think that
was very hard for her to do, and how could
it not be. You notice she paused here and there
during during those remarks about forgiving the young man, and
she was so spot on with what Charlie was trying
to do. He's reaching out to these young men all
around the country who just feel they're worth nothing, and

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he's saying, and he was saying, no, you are worth something.
Get an education, get a job, get married, have children,
you are worth something. And then to have his life
taken away by one of the young men he was
trying to reach was an amazing coming. And he almost
felt like, Oh, she's just struggling to say those three words,

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and she finds did And I think that was the
moment of that five hours.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
It was beyond.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
It was beyondwards and again that's where I think it left. Uh,
it didn't ever, Actually I don't. I don't think it
really entered the political realm as it entered a spiritual
and and I don't know an emotional place that's bigger
than any individual or any any particular party platform, item
or anything like that. I think this thing was a
lot bigger than all of that. But those that that

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expression of forgiveness, it it caught me off.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
My wife and I were watching it. We just looked
at each other and went, Wow, I.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Didn't think she just do that.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I felt like, I said, you don't have to say that.
I mean, it's okay to not feel that right now.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
But she did.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I don't think Again, I don't think she took it lightly.
I think she meant it when she said it. And
I think you have to be an extraordinary person to
be able to forgive in a moment like that.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Is is raw as it all is as well.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, well, well we'll talk about that in the coming hour.
We'll talk about Jimmy Kimmel as well. A lot to
stay there, full hours coming your way. You want to
stay with us, did you work your way home on
this Monday with Utah's Talk Radio one All five nine. Okay, alright,
Mark coming down.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
You take what take the numbers in cable, takes the
numbers on iHeart, uh, you know, the iHeart app and
and all the stations that we're televising it or broadcasting
it live. And then you take the different streaming uh
things that were out there there. They're up to like
one hundred million people that were streaming this accessing it
in some way, actually one hundred million just streaming it,
not including cable or some of the more traditional ways

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it was broadcasted. So I mean, and I don't know
if you've seen, but there's been messages and comments from
around the world, the.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
UK, all over Korea, South Korea.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yes, I just think it's been It's incredibly moving, and
it's uh it speaks to the power of even a
single individual, uh. And and they're in the genuineness of
that person and how that message can travel better than
you know, any corporate you know campaign will ever get you.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
And let me tell you what it was so well
put together. I mean, the timing was perfect. There were
no you know, and the thing that I feared and
we talked about this on Friday show. I feared there'd
be someone and apparently someone did try and slip into
it pretending to be a police officer, and they caught him.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
You know that there's a you know what.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
The story there was it was one of the guests
security who came before the place was completely locked down. Okay,
and then and so this was this person wasn't there
to do harm, but was a member of a security
team of one of the people that was asked to
speak and was doing an informal check, was put on
the spot.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I don't know if this person misrepresented himself, but the
story is that that was a member of someone's a
speaker's security team prior to it being completely locked down.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Who was on the premise.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, Well, what I had feared is someone would get
through pretending to be a MAGA supporter or supporter of
Charlie Kirk when in fact they weren't, and would start
yelling or hanging a sign or doing something like that.
Fortunately that did not happen, because I was hoping, please
don't don't ruin an event like this by being a jerk,

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and they weren't.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And we've seen that so often a Trump rallies, at
campaign rallies, we've seen this happen. It's almost automatic. And
I thought, with the numbers we were talking about, it
was statistically impossible to not have what you just describe happened.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I thought it would happen. It might not be covered.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
It might be a little bit of a skirmish, or
you hear someone yell from afar and you don't the
cameras don't follow that person or give them any attention.
But I thought it was going to happen, and it didn't.
And then when you consider a football field, a football
stadium full of people, that that doesn't happen at all. Again,
I think it speaks to I think the the divinity
of the entire experience. I mean, there's a lot of

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miracles along the way, and I think how that came
about and how well it was was otherworldly.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I'll just put it that.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, Well I have, I have. I have never heard
so many politicians talk about God, no, no, I without
without hesitating, without hesitation, and they did so many wonderful things.
I mean, I you know, along with Erka Kirk. And
we'll get to that here in just a minute. Of
all the speakers, Yestate, I thought Marco Rubio was was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
He really was.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I mean, is an eloquent speaker when and here's.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
What I tell you that when he speaks about the
Savior and he talks about the Gospel, and you know
he's speaking from the heart, I mean because he's kind
of he's not this way as we've seen him on
the national stage really uh. But but the way he spoke,
to think that we have a Secretary of State who
has that kind of faith and belief and that we're
in a time where he could openly speak about it, Yeah,

(29:41):
as strongly as he did. That is a good time.
That is that is an important moment for us to
remember as Americans that that could that could even happen. Yes,
I mean remember when Tim Tebow would just do a
celebration and acknowledge the Lord rafter a touchdown and everybody
was mad about it. He was saying, you can't do it.
The NFL talked about banning his acknowledg hegement of a
higher power when he would score a touchdown. That was

(30:02):
going to be that was a problem. Yeah, look at
this administration. How many cabinet members spoke of their strong
faith and their belief and what Charlie Kirk and his
message meant to them. I I in a very sad time.
That is a very very good moment for this country.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, I just hope, Greg, they continue with the boldness.
Don't stop, don't stop doing it because you're at a
different event. Continue doing it, and I hope they continued
to do so. Now let's get to what Erica did
yesterday when she how difficult would that have been? First fall? Greg?
When she walks out on that stage and she sees
sixty five seventy eighty thousand whatever the number is, cheering

(30:42):
her and cheering for her husband. How I mean? She
you could tell she was having a tough time, and
she mouthed a couple of times. And my guess is
she said, please help me, Charlie, help me get through this,
you know, and he did, because you know she was
emotional at times, but she delivered a powerful, powerful speech.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
People, it's the unscripted moments of our lives, whatever they mean.
We all have routines, whatever it may be, but I'll
tell you what it's in moments like this where you
really learn a lot about all of us. We all
learn about something about ourselves, and we have in Erica
Kirk is someone that Isle is an incredible leader of
which I never saw or knew really before, who I
trust and and I hope to see guide our young

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people through these tough times. And I think she's the
person for this time.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah. And I think this was a moment that I
think surprised just about everybody on the cross.

Speaker 9 (31:35):
Our Savior said, Father, forgive them for they not know
what they do.

Speaker 10 (31:48):
That man, that young man, I forgive him.

Speaker 9 (32:02):
I forgive him because it was what Christ did and
is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate is
not hate. The answer we know from the Gospel is
love and always love, love for our enemies, and love

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for those who persecute us.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And before she made that comment, she talked about what
Charlie Kirk was trying to do in reaching out to
people Greg Yes and saying especially to young men in
this country, because there's so many young men. I think
she called them the lost boys who are out there
trying to figure out, Okay, what do I do. I'm
criticized for doing this. I'm this toxic masculinity, all of
this stuff. I'm criticized, and Charlie would go to those

(32:48):
campuses and tell these young men you are worth something,
you are valuable. Yes, and she did that, recognizing the
young man who shot and killed her husband, saying, I
forgive you. What a moment that was.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
And to hear the applause right after christ, I gotta
tell you, I recoiled and I and I you know,
and that's not my I'm not related and I'm not
in a forgiving mood. Frankly, okay, I'm just not I
don't feel I'm not feeling that. And so I thought, oh,
you don't have to say that. That's but everywhere people
embraced it, people were moved by it. It was the
right thing to say, and it was said genuinely, like

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it's not something that just slipped off the tip of
her tongue. It's not something she took lightly. And what
a powerful example, one that I will admit I cannot
emulate at the moment I don't have. I'm not that
good of a person because I don't have that in me.
But it is something worse, aspiring aspiring thing.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Well, apparently you are are You are not alone in this?
Because Donald Trump wrestled with it as well.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best
for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate
my opponents and I don't want.

Speaker 11 (33:56):
The best for them.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (33:58):
I am sorry Erica.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
But now Erica can talk to me and the whole
good and maybe they can convince me that that's not right.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
The next time.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Charlie's looking down. He's mad at me right now. I
know he's mad at me right now.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
But again, they take everything he says, his quips, those
moments that he just shared right there to its logical extreme.
I think he's being honest that he wouldn't have he
doesn't have those feelings. I'm telling you I don't have.
I'm telling our audience I don't feel those myself, just
innately right now. But I think what he's saying is
I think she needs to help me. Charlie's mad at

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me because I just said this. It's just this president,
and I think that again when he said it, it's
kind of what I.

Speaker 9 (34:41):
Feel.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Donald Trump's being authentic. I think he is, you know,
and you're being authentic, and we're being authentic. You know,
I'd have a tough time forgetting.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I mean, we can all tip hats and we can
all pretend, oh, yes, that's how we feel. But I'm
honestly if we're being if we if we're trying to
take her example of her sincerity, and I'm not there yet.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
But she did say, by the way, she did an
interview with the New York Times of everything, of all
the outlets to do an interview with, she did it
on Friday, and she would ask would you go along
with the death penalty? And she said, I will let
justice determine that.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
And that is consistent Charlie.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And there are discussions on campus about the death penalty
and about you know, the Bible and everything else. He
he did feel that, you know, the Old Testament wasn't
eliminated and didn't exist because of the New Testament, and
he cited scripture that thought that the death penalty is
is not a contradiction.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
I should say to faith to.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
What is going on? All right? New pull out and
the DEAs Red News about how all of you feel
about what has happened. We'll get into that.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I hate this poll.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I just I'm just going to spoiler alert. It's a
weak sauce. And I hope it's not true.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I speak now. Sorry, thank you, uh, and we'll take
your phone calls if you want to weigh in on this.
Do you have what it takes to forgive? Not easy
to do? Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say
hey Rod or leave us a talkback message and we'll

(36:10):
try and get to that as well. Stunning moment caught
a lot of people by surprise. A lot of people
are talking about that today, among other things, we're talking
to you about your reaction to it, but also there
is a brand new Deseret News poll out today. I
think it was with in conjunction with a Hinckley Institute
of Politics, talking about how you here in the state

(36:31):
of Utah feel after the death of the assassination we
should say of Charlie Kirk two weeks ago on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
So it was the Hinckley Desret News Hinckley Institute of
Politics did a poll. And it's important to note that
the time that they did this poll was from September tenth,
the day that this occurred, this assassination occurred, till the fifteenth,
So we're talking in the immediate aftermath, even as we
discussed it today. There's more time that's passed. But this

(37:00):
is so I would say that some of the numbers
we're going to discuss would be more of your gut
reaction and maybe more emotional reaction. Then I would like
to think that as we've seen events play out, that
maybe some of this sentiment we're going to share has
changed a little bit. But what struck me by this
poll was that the assassin, if it was his desire

(37:21):
to chill debate, to stop people from talking, or to
have free speech stopped, this poll indicates he was incredibly successful.
To the question, how safe, if at all, do you
feel attending political events or rallies in the United States today,
utans as five percent said very safe, twenty three percent
said somewhat safe, thirty eight percent said not very safe,

(37:44):
twenty four percent said not safe at all. So you're
looking out of what Six out of ten Utons said
that they don't feel safe going to a political rally?
Follow up question, has this incident made you more or
less likely to attend political events or rallies? Forty nine
percent Let's see, no, I'm sorry, fifty four percent are

(38:07):
less likely or we're less likely to go to a
political event or a rally given what had just happened.
And this is again these were asked days after this
assassination had happened. But that's not I find those numbers
disturbing and I don't maybe I don't blame people for
being a little apprehensive, but this is you know, this
rewards those people that want to stop people from getting

(38:30):
involved because this is aimed at the right. Believe me,
this isn't This isn't stopping the leftists from doing what
they do. This is stopping people right of center or
people that have common sense not that are not leftists,
from rallying or attending anything. That's what this successfully, at
least when polled here in Utah, was able to do.
Here's the other part of this poll that I just

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want to believe that as time goes, we're going to
believe something different than what people were saying initially.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Let me add to those numbers that you just gave,
Gregan to back up what you were just saying by
by by indicating your your concern about going to these
these events and these rallies. To me, that says, the
left is winning.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
That's what it's.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, the nut jobs out there like Tyler Robinson, and
I really do think he's a nut job. They're winning
and we we we cannot allow them to win. If
we allow them to win, everything that Charlie Kirk fought
for in this life we throw it out the window
if we allow these people to win. And we can't

(39:30):
allow that to happen.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, and and and this is this is more than
half of the people polled are less likely to be involved.
And again I I'm they The left has their crew there.
This this isn't The people that are afraid right now
are not people that were upset with it. They wanted
to do the Tesla takedown and they wanted to go.
They wanted to be at the Black Lives Matter rally

(39:52):
and they wanted to go. They're fine this, This didn't
make them afraid. No, when you see fifty four percent
of utahon's are less likely to participate, understand, that's fifty
four percent of common sense, everyday utons that don't want
to be involved anymore. And that will they will have
won if that sentiment is to continue. Here's the other one.
I don't like When asked if they blame the left,

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the right, or left or the right for the political violence,
twenty five percent of Uton said it was the left,
twenty percent said the right. Thirty seven percent said that
the left and the right bear equal responsibility. This is
not an there is no there is no both sides
in this.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
This poll is the furthest thing I think from our
listening audience, because as we've tried to unpack this thing
since it happened on the tenth, I've heard resolve. I've
heard determination to not let these people, these demons, succeed.
I've heard people leaning in. You saw that memorial on Sunday.
Those aren't people that are afraid. Those are people that
are coming. And we thought, statistically speaking, you'd at least

(40:56):
see a skirmish or something none. And so I think
it is so incredibly important to not let that the
fear that is represented in this des ret News poll,
the fear that this thing is reporting to Uton's that
we're all afraid and we want to be involved less,
and we think for some reason, everyone is to blame
for it. Left and right, it's all equally to blame.

(41:16):
The is It is false and it's meant to create fear,
and I just I would love to think that this
many days later, if you were to revisit these questions,
hopefully you would see a little stronger resolve and less
cowardice or maybe that's too strong a word less fear. Yeah,
I'd like to see more courage less fear, like I
hear from our list.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yes, yeah, Well, poles used to be to gauge public opinion.
Now they're designed to create public opinion, and that's what
this one is trying to do in my opinion. Yeah,
all right, more of your calls and comments coming up.
It is the Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk
Radio one O five to nine kN RS. Utah's Talk
Radio one O five nine kN R S. I'm Rod Ourcutt,
I'm citizen Greg Hughes. All right, we're talking about this

(41:57):
new pole. We're talking about this pole. Indie Katie that
Utahn's a little nervous about going to a political rally
these days, simply because of Charlie Kirk and a poll
that says, what is it, thirty eight percent think both
sides are at fault when it comes to political violence.
That's just nuts.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Again, And what I'll point out is congratulations leftists, you're winning.
Convinced you're winning, as soon as you want to spread
the political blame across to people that had nothing to
do with this. We don't have three people in this
in a courtroom on the same day, the one that
tried to assassinate Trump, the person that killed the healthcare
executive Luigi and this this guy Tyler on the same day,

(42:36):
three assassins, one attempted too successful, all from the left.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
That is not a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
That is not happy. That is there is a trend
there we have to pay attention to. But congrat hats off.
I guess to the leftists who've convinced America that all
this is a both sides issue.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, no it isn't. Let's go to Robert and Sandy C.
What do you got to say tonight here on the
rod In Greg Show. Hi, Robert, how are you.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
All right?

Speaker 12 (43:00):
I think you have to make to distinguish between, say,
a protest, which I think liberals tend to get more
violent at, and then assassinations. Because what you haven't talked
about is the wife and husband the senator in Minnesota
who was killed Gabby Gifford years ago, was shot in
the head while she was in Arizona.

Speaker 6 (43:20):
She was a Democrat.

Speaker 12 (43:21):
We had an abortion clinic. I'm from Colorado Springs. We
had an abortion clinic that was not a mile from
my house where people were killed at the plant parenthood
and those were by conservatives. So when you hear thirty
eight percent, I think you do have to take into
account some of the shootings and killings that have come
against Democrats and liberals.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
So yeah, it's both us.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
So do you turn it down?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
We've got it, we've Can you share with me the
name of the of the person at the Minnesota lawmaker
she was co Speaker of the House, so Democrat. They
shared the defed what was her name?

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Hutsman.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
My point is, I don't think that it even comes
close to being Charlie Kirk's name, who is so well known.
There was so much vitriol surrounding that poor woman who
has killed in Minnesota that nobody is okay with. I
don't think that they're comparable at all. The grifter, the
guy that shot her, he was not a MAGA guy.
This guy was a great He ran an NGO out

(44:21):
of Africa. I know there's a side that wants to
say this guy was just true blue, make of America
great again. That man was insane, a b he was
a grifter, he was whatever he needed to be. As
far as Gabby Gifford goes, this country poured its heart
out when that happened. I never saw one person. I
didn't see the vitriol online or the celebration of if

(44:41):
Gabby Gifford is being shot, I never saw any of this.
If you saw that and you think this is equally
representative of America, it's not the America I know. I
don't see anybody celebrating. I don't see any cartoons with
the bloods blurting out of her head or anything like
that like I see with Charlie Kirk. I think they
are unrelated and not comparable.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Remember I did blame it on Sarah Palin. That's yeah,
because targets.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yep, the target races were somehow now at Target that
she was to blame for that, and there was a
lot of scorn for that.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Back to the phones, we go in Salt Lake City.
We're talking with Preston Tonight on the rod On Greg Show. Hi, Preston,
how are you.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
Good?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
How are you guys? We're doing well, thank you your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
Good.

Speaker 13 (45:24):
My thoughts are around the Erica Kirk forgiving Kyler Robinson.
Seventeen years ago, I was robbed and shot on the
side of the road, and while laying in the hospital bed,
I had hit bottom the night before, And the next
day I prayed again and I said, Lord, what do
you want me to do? And he said, I need

(45:46):
you to forgive. And so I spent the next few
days pondering that and and working through that process of forgiveness,
forgiving this man who shot me and put me in
a wheelchair and took my legs away from me. And
after a few days, I said, you know what, I'm

(46:08):
forgiving him. This is no longer my job to hold
this hate, hold this anger. It's now in God's hands
and God's will. God will take care of it as
he sees thick. And I will continue my life and
I will be better, and I will smile, and I'll
say hi to everyone and be an example of happiness

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even though something tragic happened.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
As you made that decision, Preston, do you feel like
a burden would lift off your shoulders? I mean, how
did that process?

Speaker 13 (46:37):
What was that like?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Getting to the point where you were willing to forgive
this and this man who attacked you.

Speaker 13 (46:46):
It was definitely there was definitely a huge burden of today.
As soon as I said the words I forgive him, Yeah,
the weight off my shoulders was incredible. I felt just
relieved that I no longer had to carry that burden.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Of you know, anger, Preston, Can I ask you this
is a personal issue, so if we get too personal,
I respect, I appreciate you sharing.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
As much as you have. What does it mean?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Is it that you just move on, you don't think
about it? Is it that you I mean, what does
it mean to forgive? It's so hard for me to imagine,
and you're such a great example, but what does it
mean to forgive?

Speaker 14 (47:21):
Like?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
What did you do in your mind or in your heart?

Speaker 13 (47:26):
Well, you know in my mind and heart, you know,
it's that continual prayer of Lord. I want to forgive him.
What do I need to do? And you say, you
just need to let it go and give it to me.
I will take that burden from you. And you know,
I mean it did take a few days of me
just thinking about it and go how can I do this?
This guy just he kept my legs away from me.

(47:46):
I'm twenty two years old at the time, and now
I'm stuck in a wheel try to learn everything pretty
much over again, you know. So it did take a
few days, but you know, as soon as I handed
it over to the Lord, it was simply as as
simple as that, just saying, Lord, it's yours. Now take
this burden from me. I no longer need to carry it.

(48:08):
And the real, the real revelation of that, you know,
outside of the burden being lifted, was I was hanging
out with some friends afterwards, and like we should go
get him most like, you know, guys, what would that do? Though,
Like that wouldn't do anything besides create more of a problem.
And so that's when I knew fully that I had

(48:28):
forgiven him completely.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Preston, thank you very much for sure. What a powerful
story that is. All right, let's go to back to
the phones from Las Vegas. We're talking with Rick tonight
here on the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Rick, how
are you?

Speaker 11 (48:42):
I'm good?

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (48:43):
First off, God bless that last caller like him. Yes, yeah,
but the reason I called is that, uh, that poll.
It's kind of a misleading question if you just ask
are you more afraid to go to one of these
public of answer or not, it's kind of misleading. Of course,
we're more apprehensive. The second part that they're missing is

(49:06):
are you more willing to go? And I personally am
way more willing to go than I ever was before,
even being a little more scared.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
What a great point, Rick, and I think you're exactly right.
I think the way that question was asked, there is
an intuitive answer of Yeah, it's a little bit scarier
out there in the world we're living in right now,
and there may be more danger question being And this
is the way all of our callers who've called in
since this has happened has expressed. Even my own children
have a greater result. Yeah, and I've got a higher

(49:38):
desire to be in to be involved because they don't
want the other side to be silenced. They don't want
to be silenced, they don't want to feel like they're
not allowed to they or they're going to back away
or stay silent.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Well, I think the question we have to ask now, Greg, Okay,
we've had this tragic event, the country has mourned, we've
had vigils, we had unbelievable memorial service yesterday, what now, Well,
I think that's what that's what needs to be asked,
and we need to we need to maintain the forward
momentum that this has given everybody, I think cancer.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Pay attention on it.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's Tuesday, September thirtieth at the Utes State University campus,
the Turning Point USA will be back. They are coming
here as they planned. That date hasn't changed. It's the
same date they had Charlie Kirk had planned to be here.
I would hope that we will see attendance and we
will see enthusiasm that will eclipse what would have normally
been the case.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
And only hope and I bet we will. All right,
more coming up on the Roden Gregg Show in Utah's
talk radio one oh five nine can arrest. Here's a
comment on our talk back line already tonight.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
Hey you're Rovin Greg Braxton. Here a quick thought the
Hinckley Institute. I don't tend to believe a whole lot
that comes out of there. They're obviously very left leaning.
But if that is true and the pull is accurate,
I think people in Utah need to wake up. I mean,
I've thought this for a while, but over the weekend
at Charlie Kirks memorial. They said it more couple of times.

(51:00):
We were fighting a spiritual war, you know, and it's true.
We can't bury our heads in the sound and pretend
it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Boy, that is so spot on, Greg. I think, and
I think, you know, we're afraid to call it what
it is. But I think in many cases it is
a spiritual war. It is good versus evil.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Right now, I think it's more blatantly good versus evil
now than it's ever been before.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I would agree.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I think I just think that what we're fighting. That's
why I think that the common sense we talk about
it a lot, but everyday Americans common sense it's being
offended by the left. And by the way Charlie kirk
I'm one of those people that really went back and
started watching a lot of different clips and getting to
know a lot of people. I would have told you
prior to him being killed that I was very aware

(51:45):
of his work, and to some degree I was, but
I wasn't. It wasn't close. But one of the things
he described that I've never drawn the distinction, but I agree.
He says a liberal as someone who's who's you know,
left leaning left of center is a democrat, but it
is someone I can have a conversation with. So he
would probably put like a Bill Maher and.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Someone will be talking. Do it six five Scott All
you have a conversation with Scott.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yea, So he said, So a liberal is someone that
I can sit down with. We can have an even
a debate, difference of opinions, agree to disagree, but do
it as gentlemen or as be respectful towards one another.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
He said.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
A leftist to someone who wants to silence me and
doesn't want me to be able to speak, yeah, and
doesn't want to have a diversity of thought or even
the debate. And that was his definition between a liberal
and a leftist. I've not made that before, but I
what I'm talking about are the ones that want to
silence those that look, they don't want any diversity of thought.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
They it is there.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
There is freedom of speech for them and what in
their worldview, and anything that veers from it is a
moral failure or an intellectual failure for them.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
You know, and you've seen you like like me, You've
been watching a lot of the Charlie Kirk clips on
college campuses. Some of those questions, Greg, where are they
coming up with these questions? They are some of the
and they are so set they think they know the answer.
And Charlie constantly ask him, what do you mean by that?
Explain that to me, and they can't.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
They can't do it.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
They can't do it. All right, we'll talk about free
speech with a former Utah lawmaker. That's coming up next
to a broad and great show. Last night, it came
down like crazy up in David's County and again this morning.
I guess I got nailed up in Weaver County today
and Utah County and I fall asleep. It's gonna take

(53:34):
a lot to wait.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
And here I'm out.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You're like, it's you could start a chainsaw. I don't
know that i'd hear. I think I just incorporated into
my dream.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I always say, roll a tank through my house, and
I probably wouldn't hear it.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Yeah, no, I I like you.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I'm a sound sleeper.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Now my wife on the other end, I take it,
you can't.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I'm not even kidding. When there's when there's external noises,
my brain makes a dream.

Speaker 14 (53:56):
Out of it.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
It becomes part of my dream.

Speaker 14 (53:58):
How do you know?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I know because I've been woken up and I'm like, oh,
I thought that was I thought that I was on
a tank. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
That whatever is going on my brain puts it into
my dream, so I I don't even know it's a
We need to bring.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
In a psychologist or a psychiatrist or whatever to analyze
you one day, because it would be fascinating.

Speaker 14 (54:16):
I know.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
And you just you said earlier you're a very forgiving person.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I am not in this room.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Well, you know what, I actually being self aware is
not the easiest thing to be. And I had a
we have a great listener who uh pointed out to
me for a while, and they pointed out that there
are times where they've SAWT seen that I wasn't that
I was not vindictive, and that I was forgiving and
I move on on things I don't and I was
I thought there was a very kind sentiment.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
And I told you about it, and then you ruined it.
You said, that's not true. That's news.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
And I we're gonna talk to someone right now who
can probably confirm what I believe.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yes, let's go to it.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Let's Scott Howell, now Sendor Howell, former sender Howell Scott, Now,
is he a forgiving person?

Speaker 7 (55:00):
Is one of the most redemption persons I've ever met,
really is so redeeming. But I can't even begin to
tell you. And I'll tell you what. If you guys
will have that intro music starting your show, you will
wake up.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
I promise you.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Heard that intro music. Scott. Thank you for helping Rod
see the light. Scott. I appreciate that. I really do.

Speaker 15 (55:23):
All right.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Well, Scott, we wanted to bring you on because of
the up ed we saw on the day of the
Red News over the weekend where you're talking about free speech.
Why did you feel compelled to write at Scott?

Speaker 7 (55:33):
That's a great question, And first of all, thank you
for having me on. I really appreciate being on with
you guys. The debate over free speech has really intensified
since Charlie Kirk's tragic death. Some of his allies are
now suggesting his critics should be silenced. I wrote that
piece because the First Amendment doesn't protect only the voices

(55:54):
we like. It protects all Americans. And if we all
defend speech about for our friends, it's not freedom all,
it's favoritism. And I just felt compelled to do it, and.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Look, you are the reason. I Look, we've been in
the arena together, We've worked on some very tough issues.
We come from different parties and we have maybe different
perspectives on certain things, but there's a lot of common
ground in public policy and just kind of getting stuff done.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
You know that, I know that I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I thought that actually a lot of conservatives came after
Pat and Bondie when she said we're going to go
after hate speech, and a lot of conservatives said no, no, no,
that's not what we do. But Scott, do you see
it maybe a contradiction where it feels to me and
correct me if I'm just seeing this wrong. The outrage
or the concern about Charlie or Jimmy Kimmel's show and

(56:45):
whether that was going to continue or not, and the
discussion that it prompted about the freedom of speech versus
the assassin, the political assassination of Charlie Kirk. It seemed
like some people were were more energetic and arguing for
a TV show was canceled and they were arguing for
and on behalf of Charlie Kirk who was killed. Am

(57:06):
I just sensitive to one and not to another or
was there a contradiction happening in Utah In America.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
Absolutely, there was a contradiction. And that's the sad thing
about what's going on in America right now. When you
look at what free speech is in the US law,
there's no blanket for hate speech exceptions. And this kind
of goes back to where the courts have ruled time

(57:34):
and again that even the most offensive or even ugly
speech is protected. The only time it's not is when
it meets very narrow standards, as we all know, incitement
to imminent violence, threat threats, or harassment. Otherwise, the answer
to bad speech is more speech, not censorship. And I

(57:54):
couldn't agree with you more Greg. I think it's on
both sides. And part of my reason for writing that
was really to say, wait, America, wake up and look
around and just that's one of our most protected and
sacred in our constitution amendments. And I think that's why

(58:19):
it's the first amendment.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Actually, Scott, over the weekend, we learned or it may
have been either yesterday, there's a story that came out
that Van Jones, who worked at one time for Barack Obama,
as a contributor on CNN received a note from Charlie
Kirk before Charlie Kirk was assassinating, inviting him to have
a debate or a discussion about some of the comments
that Charlie Kirk had made and that Van Jones had

(58:41):
made racism all that got in. Can we get to
a point that we'll have more of those discussions in
America today? And what will that do for the country
if in fact we do.

Speaker 8 (58:53):
Now?

Speaker 7 (58:54):
That should be part of our prayers every single day.
It has to be a part of this conversation. I
think about our children and our grandchildren, and what I

(59:16):
have a great blessing the Constitution has been for all
of us. And if we are not big enough to
calm the waters, the insensitive and the horrible words of
violence that spar I mean words that cause violence, and

(59:38):
I just firmly believe that that's where we've got to
get back to Rod. I do with all my heart.
And look, I took plenty of stings when I was
in office. Greg had a few too, I remember correctly,
But that's part of it that made us better. It

(59:58):
made us. Sharper made us sit down with a eagle forum.
I always tell this story about gil Razuka. People are
amazed that she's my friend. Probably on opposite on many things,
but other things we're not. And if we can't get
it back to that, then you know we're talking. We're

(01:00:20):
thinking about what's what happened in the past, with the
civil rights movement, with the Vietnam War protest McCarthy era,
go back to that, to the fifties, and I think
we have to face this Rod what you said, this

(01:00:40):
reality of what's going on. Every generation has moments, I
promise you, when there's when when those in power try
to muzzle descent. And every single time history looks back
and says it was the dissenters who kept democracy alive.
And I leave that with all my heart. And it's

(01:01:05):
just it's crazy that families can't even go to dinner
together without having the emotion of he said this, She
said that who I agree with President Trump on a
lot of things. I don't agree. There are some things
I agree, But to be we have to get beyond

(01:01:26):
those words of farm where we're trying to keep up
with each other and see who can say the most
hateful things at a dinner table and trying to embarrass
each other. And I really hope we can get it
back to Rod. That's a long answer, long winded, and
I apologize, but that's how I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Well. I think that's why a lot of people feel
to be honest, Scott, and we do want to get
there and hopefully we can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And Scott, just so listeners know, Scott is a guy
that walks the walk. This is an empty rhetoric you're
hearing from Scott Howe, former minority leader in the state Senate.
He has reached across the aisle, worked with one and all.
He's always done that, Scott.

Speaker 16 (01:02:02):
He keeps on telling me he was a perfect Lawmaker's
perfect that you know, that's news, Scott. I did not
say perfect. I never said that, Scott. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
Well, if I could just some of that, that's okay.
And I thought about this a lot. Free speech, it's
not left or right, but it belongs to every American citizen. Yes,
that's my bottom line.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
All right, Scott. Thank you. Scott Howell, former Utah state lawmaker,
joining us on our news maker line talking about free speech.
And yes you have you always tell me you were perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I never say.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
You always say I don't have opinions.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
You just I just know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Well that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
I just know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
But I'm not saying I'm perfect at implementing everything I know.
Uh huh sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
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have more with Josh throughout the day today. Time now
for a news update. Here's Jason, I'm Susan, Greg Hughes,
and I'm Rod Arcata. We were just talking with former
States sunder Scott Howell about free speech in America. A
lot of discussion about free speech and comments being made
over the weekend as a result of the assassination of

(01:06:10):
Charlie Kirk. Shall we begin hearing a few of those?
How about? From Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah, here we go, Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Are you ready for this? She made these comments She
was on a Sunday morning show, I think it was
on CNN, just a short time before the Charlie Kirk
memorial service Scott underway, and she went after Charlie Kirk
for some of his quote inflammatory remarks.

Speaker 17 (01:06:35):
The most part, the only people that voted no were
people of color because the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously
put out there was rhetoric that specifically targeted people of color.
And so it is unfortunate that even our colleagues could
not see how harmful his rhetoric was specifically to us.
And I can tell you that a month prior to

(01:06:56):
him passing away, he had actually gotten out on his
pode because I wasn't aware of this at the time,
but he got out there and he was talking negatively
about me directly. So if there was any way that
I was going to honor somebody who decided that they
were just going to negatively talk about me and proclaim
that I was somehow involved in the great White replacement, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
So she was offended. She was offended that Charlie Kirk
was talking about her, and she didn't like it. So
she wasn't going to sign that resolution supporting him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
She well, she's she's misrepresenting who Charlie Kirk is. She's
misrepresenting the words that he said. She's there's not there's
not a scintilla of truth in that statement that you
just played for our listeners. And if she ever I mean,
she could have debated, she could have met with she
could have participated in the one of his shows at

(01:07:48):
any given time to make those feelings. She's just expressed,
understood by him and have that conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
But she didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Now remember remember the comment aoc mat on the floor
of the houseland week when they were voting on this resolution.
So she comes on and talked about, you know, political
violence coming to you know, we need to stop it.
And you and I were saying, hey, that's pretty impressive.
But then she too got after Charlie Kirk, and Joe Manchin,
who was on CNN this weekend, was just overwhelmed.

Speaker 18 (01:08:15):
She even said that she does say that we should
be clear about who Charlie Kirk was, a man who
believed that the Civil Rights Act that granted Black Americans
the right to vote was a mistake. She goes on
to name some of the other things that he believes in.
What was your reaction to her vote and her statement afterward?

Speaker 15 (01:08:34):
First of all, I just saw a little while ago
and I was done, Casey, I really was, this is
not the place in a time for that at all.
If the Democrats, if AOC and the far left, the
extreme left, I'm going to say, believe that's where the party,
the Democratic Party is today, then that'll tell you why
you lost people like me and an awful lot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
And let me tell you what you've lost.

Speaker 15 (01:08:56):
Since the last election, they've been doing their national tour
and thinking, boy, that's something we're really we're really getting
into something. The Democratic Party has lost more than one
hundred and sixty thousand Democrats that have basically left the
party since November election. So if that's the way the
Democratics Party's going, it's getting worse, not better.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Now, speaking of free speech, we were talking about censoring
and can you believe this, Greg over the weekend, the
host of a CNN evening show. She's on a lot
with Scott Jennings. Okay, Abby Phillips, right, you got to
give her some credit, but she even brought up the
point that maybe the Democrats did censor some people over
the several last couple of years.

Speaker 19 (01:09:37):
I heard earlier this week Ezra Kline and Ross Dout
that having a conversation, and there was this moment where
Zra says, you know, I've probably needed to acknowledge back
a couple of years ago that we were a little
too censorious that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
They left was actually interested.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
More liberals should say, I think it would help they
They should acknowledge, not just in passing, but actively acknowledge
where things went wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
That's the only way to move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
You acknowledge that we tried to censor people and they did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
And I'll tell you what, that's the first time I've
ever heard them acknowledge that, and not just a little bit.
Every social media platform there is any servers that would
have served a parlor or rumble others that were that
wanted to be open to free speech, they were not.
They would not put them on the Apple A store,
the app stores for Apple, or for the Microsoft or

(01:10:26):
for Google.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
There was a not chilling.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
There was a freezing effect on thought and speech in
this country, and and nobody wants to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
So we've got some breaking news tonight. Jimmy Kimmel coming back.
He'll be on the air tomorrow night. Not everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
This is a bit of insight to show that this
wasn't the big evil you know, FCC and Trump, the
fascist that did it all. By the way, wouldn't be
very good if the Kimmel's are coming back and the
fascism muscles aren't working. Right, if that's the case, because
he's coming back, but apparently not on Sinclair affiliated television stations.

(01:11:04):
So Sinclair Incorporated has released a statement that says, beginning
Tuesday night, Sinclair will be preempting Jimmy Kimmel Live across
our ABC affiliate stations and replacing it with news programming.
Discussions with ABC are ongoing as we evaluate the show's
potential return.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Wow. So their biggest affiliate in the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Nation's capital in Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Yeah, so this is so Sinclair's not going along with
what ABC and Disney are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Uh, this will be interesting that I think that there
is there's there. I think that Sinclair and Nextar have
every right in the world when you look at where
those stations are, because Washington, d C. Is a place
where they probably like all the leftist discussion and bashing
of Trump. But most of these channels that they own
are stations they own that they broadcast from around America.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Are in the heartland.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Many of them are in the South.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
That's right, and the heartland is where everyday common sense
Americans live. Not the left coast in New York City
and the East, so in places where common sense is
supposed to carry the day and everyday Americans are just
losing any kind of comprehension with what the Democrat Party
has become. These these broadcast companies, they they need to

(01:12:14):
keep people watching, they need to keep their credibility. So
this is going to be an interesting negotiation with Sinclair
at least.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
So we're just waiting to see now what Next Star does.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Next Star, by the way, does own Channel four here,
so be interesting to see what Next Star does and
what Channel four will do here as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
But breaking news, Sinclair is Channel two, which doesn't play
Get that, but it is. But Sinclair is does own
a station, a major station here in in our our
market ku TV.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Yeah, all right, mare coming up, It is the Rod
and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one five to nine. Okay,
n RS. I think Greg is fair to say that
evidence is starting to pile up to be real honest
about the propensity of people who we're transitioning, you know,
can commit the most gruesome crimes when it comes to
political violence. We're seeing story after story about this, and

(01:13:10):
the evidence is starting to pile up it is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I mean, who knew that the person attempted to assassinate
Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh and had a list of others
that he was going to murder as well was trans
goes by a different name, now by a female name.
The Biden administration did a put a lot of effort
into hiding the motivations and the backgrounds of these people

(01:13:34):
that were committing this political violence. But now it's coming
out that. Plus you name the people that I mean,
the people that have been committing violence as of late.
You go down to Washington County, you got a guy
that killed his parents who's transitioning. That's down there right now.
So it is there is something going on here, and
it's a lot. I think it's a lot more dire
than what the left would like me to admit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Well, how much is this violence tied to the transgender ideology?
Joining us on our news make a line to talk
about that right now is Tyler O'Neill. He's the managing
editor of the Daily Signal. Tyler, thank you for joining
us tonight and talking about this. Where is this transgender
violence coming from? In your opinion, Tyler, I think it's.

Speaker 14 (01:14:14):
Coming from a lot of different places. The number one
most important thing I think we need to realize when
you're seeing people who are radicalized by transgender ideologies, they
often think that they or their loved ones or their
allies are under violent attack, that they stay violence. And

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this is this is largely because there's an echo chamber
on the left that's saying groups like the Human Rights
Campaign are constantly saying that there is quote unquote an
epidemic of violence against people who identify as transgender. Now,
if you look at the actual numbers that they keep
of the deaths of these people, and then you look

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at their estimates for how big the transgender population is
is in the country, their numbers don't actually support the
idea that there is this epidemic of violence, that people
who identify as transgender are at a greater risk of
being attacked and killed. And you know, many of these
cases that they cite, they're complicating factors. I mean, these

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are drug situations, these are crime situations and other contexts,
and you know, we don't ever want there to be
violence against anyone. But when you're talking about this, their
narrative is being propped up by to claim that anybody
who disagrees with gender ideology. Is it's so fact there

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a threat to transgender people. And you see this over
and over again. They say that people are trying to
erase them, and when they say, are rased, and then
they go into this rhetoric of suggesting there is a
genocide against people who identify as transgender. And this messaging
is continually being pushed to them, and so that drives

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them into a frenzy. So they look at people, I mean,
they looked at Charlie Kirk, they look at people like
Matt Walsh, they look at people like Ben Shapiro, and
they think that these conservatives who are opposing transgender ideology
are actually fomenting violence. And it doesn't matter that they're

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not actually fomenting violence, that what these people are saying
is that human beings are male and female and can't
change their biology just based on their identity. What matters
to the transgender activists is that they're being told that
this is creating violence, and so they think the only

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respond to speech that disagrees with their agenda is itself violence,
and that's what drives now. Of course, I want to
be very clear. The Human Rights Campaign does not endorse
violence against people. It does not call for violence against people.
Even groups that I abhore, like the Southern Poverty Law

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Center do not actively call for violence against people, even
when they put them on their hate map. That said,
I think it's important to say, you know, just a
few months ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center put Turning
Point USA on a hate map with chapters of the
Ku Klux Klan, and they know they are associating Turning

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Point USA and the other groups they put on the
map with the same hatred as the clan. And so
when that leads, you know, we don't have any proof
that this shooter targeted Charlie Kirk because of the Southern
Poverty Law Center, but we do have a clear example
back in twenty twelve when a shooter went after the

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Family Research Council in Washington, DC and did use the
Southern Poverty Laws in er hate map to engage in that.
And you know, yes, yeah, yeah, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I want to say that your column is so so
well said, and what you've just shared with our listeners
is important, but you come with in your column with receipts.
You you point out an MSNBC calmnist, who's who described
that if you were to restrict this they call it
gender affirming care, or I'd say it's the chemical castration
or surgical castration of individuals, but particularly children.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Is what we're worried about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
That to deny that that that procedure or gender affirming
care is an act of genocide, that's not that's not
taken lightly. And they also argue that those that are
denied that care actually cannot prevent themselves from committing suicide
or or if if they don't receive the interventions. Is
there any evidence to any of that, to specific accusations

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that it's genocide which makes people want to act violently
if they think someone is doing something so heinous, or
that if you prevent it you're going to see a
waterfall of suicides.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Is any Is that accurate?

Speaker 14 (01:18:57):
No, it's not accurate at all. And this is something
that even to transgender side admitted in the oral arguments
of the Supreme Court when they were discussing you know,
so called gender affirming care, which I mean, I agree
with you, some of it is literally chemical castration. But
you know, when when they're asked about it in court,

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they acknowledge oh, there isn't evidence of an increase in suicide.
And you know, we've actually seen that one of the
side effects for some of these drugs in some cases
is increased thoughts of suicide, so the exact opposite of
their talking points. There is some evidence to support that.
But of course, you know, and this this is a

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key point I always have to bring up here. These
are experimental treatment. There we don't have enough evidence to
show that they have good outcomes. We do know that
they're negative associations, and so you know, the the narrative
has been so hook line and thinker on the and

(01:20:00):
I think part of that is an indictment of big pharma.
There are a lot of questions that have to be
answered here, but fundamentally, the answer to your question is no,
we don't have evidence that backs up their narrative. And
you know, the people who are constantly hearing these messages
have no idea that it's not backed up by good

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scientific evidence, and so many and this is the thing
that really kind of terrifies me about our medical establishment
is how quickly so much medical establishment was swallowed by
this ideology, constantly pushing this narrative. I mean, if that
doesn't terrify you. I don't know what does. Because I

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want us to be able to trust our medical establishment.
And the fact that you add doctors throughout this country
saying that you can change your sex just by identifying
as the opposite one, I'm like, that is that is
terrifying to me, and I think we need to have
answers and our medical industry has to reject this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Not only does the medical industry, Tyler, thanks for joining us.
Greg need to reject this, But Greg, you brought up
the point earlier. Mom and dad need to reject this.
Mom and dad need to stand up and say no
going there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
I'm going to tell you you got to protect these kids.
And what we're going to see going forward is that
you're going to have a class of parents who will
have a very difficult time or will refuse to believe
they destroyed their children's lives. Yes, with the decisions that
were made, they're gonna they're going to hang onto every
sliver of fact or theory that said they did the
right thing, because how can they live with themselves if

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they thought they destroyed their child's life. So there's a
lot of parents that bought into this, and so it's
they're going to cling on to this stuff. They're not
going to want to let it go, but we're going
to see the consequences. They're going to continue to emerge.
And it's not it's not good, and it intuitively we
should have known and we should know that this isn't good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
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a news update. Here's Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I'm citizen Hughes and I'm rod Arkent.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
We've learned today the program for the upcoming Charlie Kirk
event up at Utah State University. Among those who will
be speaking, you said sender Mike Lee and Governor of
Spencer Cox I think are two of the people that
will be speaking there. Yep, look real quick, you got
a conversation over the weekend with someone from Turning Point, USA.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
What do you tell you so they're not slowing down?
I could hear the exhaustion roder Friday night. He was
just so tired, and I mean anyway, he what is
he is? He the CEO CEO of Turning Point. We
spoke and they feel very strongly that they are going
to continue their campus tour and they are going to
as planned without any delay. They're coming to Utah State

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and they're going to as their guest speakers at alex
Clark but also Center Mike Lee, Governor Spencer Cox, Representative
Andy Biggs from am Arizona, and then Jason Chapis, we'll
be speaking at this event. And I think they have
panels and breakouts that happened at the campus there as well.
And then and he's he's saying, I mean, the funny
thing about Tyler is that he's not from Utah, but

(01:26:11):
his wife is, and so he makes trips here quite
quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
And uh, and he's LDS.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
And so when Charlie Kirk says that I'm not like
some of these evangelicals who don't like half of the
employees are members of the Church of Jesus Christ Lardy Saints,
I think Tyler had some something to do with that.
And they've they've just had a really strong crew and
they are resolved to keep keep going. And this is
Friday before the Sunday before this big event. So I

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but I hear at can R s H being an iheartstation,
having a lot of our syndicated shows, whether it be
Glenn Beck, be Uh, Clay and Buck or even Sean
Hannity having something to do with Turning Point or their
events with Charlie Kirk in the past or going forward.
We hear at canarones canon RS want to be a

(01:26:58):
partner as well.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
You were just mentioned, I mean the first one taking
place tonight at the University of Minnesota. And guess what
we have transactivists showing up and yelling at people who
are going into that event tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yeah, Tyler, Tyler did tweet that or put that out
on a post. But the good news, folks is that
as they are chanting uh, you know, negativity, and they're
they're trying to try must go Erica, must go the USA,
chance are drowning them out. And so even in Minnesota,

(01:27:30):
people are are are coming together in a very positive way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Yeah. So all right, a lot to get to tomorrow. Already,
a great show being lined up for us tomorrow and
for you especially, So we hope you listening tomorrow. And
we say each and every night head off, shoulders back.
Thank God, bless you and your family. And there's great
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