The Rod and Greg Show: Getting Kids Off Tech; Dems Hire Woman to Try to Understand Men

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're exhausted, but in a good way. And we're exhausted
because this the world. As the world turns, we keep
seeing more and more breaking news coming out of Washington. Yeah,
a lot happening, and but we're right on, we're covering it.
We're right here, we're interpreting it all.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Has Donald Trump lost weight? I just saw a picture
of him walking back into the White House. He looks
like he's shed a few pounds.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well overall, I've noticed that about him generally. They really
has lost weight since at least since his first term
and for a while there.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, no, I mean looking there, I mean the suit
fits good, quite spry, durn good. How are you Everyboddy?
It is the Rod and Greg Show with you on this,
Thank Rod and Greg. Is Friday as always, great to
be with you as you head into the weekend. I
hope you have some really fun, fun plans out there.
We'll get into that and we've got a lot to
talk about today. I'm Rod Arkutt, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.
All right, let's start off. We like to start off

(00:51):
Friday with good.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
News, right, yep, it's the way to go.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's got this has got to be driving the Democrats
nuts more good economic news today.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It really does mess up their narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Das it just it tears them apart.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Man, you know I have if you just if you're
watching and paying attention. When Biden was in office, everything
was Ros's. It was always upside, the glass was always
half full. It didn't matter what the economic report was.
He was walking on water compared to what it could be,
should be, whatever it may be. But the media now
they they want to narrate a negative economy without regard

(01:26):
to the truth. So yesterday CNBC, in anticipation of the
jobs report coming out, everybody in case they weren't going
to be around on a Friday and they wouldn't see
the news they want to tell you. On Thursday, they
said their headline on CNBC was Friday's job report likely
will be showing show hiring cooled in May.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Here's what to expect.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
So on Thursday they were making sure how on the headline,
everybody get ready, the jobs report on Friday is going
to likely show that hiring cool and got slower in
the month of May.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's going to suck. It's basically what the headlinet.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
From the same publication CNBC one day later, that's you know,
so it was you know, the next day on Friday. Today,
US payrolls increased one hundred and thirty nine thousand in May,
more than expected.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Huh huh.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
But at least they admit.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
They don't say, hey, we had it wrong yesterday, but
they do at least tell the truth that it didn't
go up up more than expected.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, here's another member of the legacy media, not CNBC,
but NBC. This is the lead line in their story
about the jobs reports today, Greg the United States added
one hundred thirty nine thousand jobs in May, more than expected,
but but pointing to a labor market that continues to slow.

(02:47):
You know, if they say about the word butt anything before,
but pay no attention to it.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, well, I'm going to tell you that they in
the face of all the economic news that contradicts all
what the experts expeta to, all that they have, all
the doom and glum they have promised, they still have
to finish the sentence with.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
But it's still that.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's about now buried in this story the best part
of this report today. Yes, it's about six or some
paragraphs into the story, right, The BLS Bureau of Labor
Statistics reports showed job losses in the federal government continue
to pile up nice, with that sector shedding twenty two
thousand jobs in May alone. The federal workforce is down

(03:29):
by fifty nine thousand since January, largely due to cuts
by the Trump administration and Elon Musk Department of Government
Efficiency Project down fifty nine thousand.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
So when you when you see the net job growth
and you know that they're just taking jobs away, understand
that when we saw these job reports in the during
the Biden administration and we saw increased jobs, they were
always government jobs. Always, it was always fueled by tax
payer spended FTEs, time employees, and so their their job

(04:02):
growth numbers were always born from taxpayer money, which is
a cost, not a benefit to the economy. That's a
that's a government cost. So anyway, very different, different different
trajectories entirely.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well, and on top of that this little note as well, Greg,
the majority of US small business owners say they are
very optimistic that President Donald Trump and headed administration will
help out businesses like theirs. You know, we know what
we always say, small business the backbone of this economy
and they're very optimistic that things are going to work
out well.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Utons, those utons that are in the workforce, by a
clear majority, work for small businesses.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Ye, small businesses represent the largest segment of our economy
and so but I guess they didn't listen to the
talking heads on TV and all the economic experts, because
they're telling everybody it's just like they said, Oh, your
inflation you hate. That's transitory, that doesn't exist. You don't
know how good you have it. You're just not smart
enough to appreciate it. Now they're saying, you think it's good, Well,

(04:59):
you're just it's transitory. It's you're not smart enough to
appreciate how bad you have it. Yeah, that's the that's
the economists today.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, another story today. We are going to talk about
the musk Trump thing. There's a lot to get to today.
We'll do that a little bit later on in the show.
But old gilmar Abrego Garcia, the Maryland Man, the Maryland Man,
the Maryland Man.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
He was in his backyard just cooking up some burgers,
some hot dogs, you know, had the baseball game on
in the background, kids playing in the yard. And then
then then the ice came and just snatched his Maryland
man from his the you know, the confines of his
beautiful home and children.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well that marilynd Man, yes, is now back in the
United States, and guess what he's about to face some
serious criminal charges here in the good old USA, has
announced today by Pam Bondi.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yep, let's have a listen.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Is what American justice looks like. Upon completion of the sentence,
we anticipate he will be returned to his home country
of El Salvador. Grand jury found that over the past
nine years of Rego Garcia has played a significant role
in an alien smuggling ring. They found this was his

(06:13):
full time job, not a contractor. He was a smuggler
of humans and children and women. He made over one
hundred trips. The grand jury found smuggling people throughout our
country MS thirteen members, violent gang terrorist organization members throughout

(06:38):
our country.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Wow, yeah, so he's coming back.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
So Axios wants to say, marilynd Man being brought back
as if see we told you so, justice is going
to be I don't think you're gonna be drinking margarite.
Is where he's going to be sitting when he gets back.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Who's that senator that Van Holland or whatever is was?
He wasn't he from Maryland who went down there to
have a meeting with him? Margarita in the prison.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
He's his member. He thinks he represents him. He thinks
that's his constituent guy.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Well, well, let me tell you what it's going to
be interesting. If he's going to show up at this
guy's trial yea, on these charges, and if he even
defends them, Well, what if he doesn't the process works
that he found guilty, goes back to Al Salvador. All right, Cinder,
is the process work for you now because you've been processed?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So he's gonna if he found guilty of this these
the human smuggling uh in human trafficking, uh, then he's
going to serve time in the United States before and
then after he's done there, then he's going to go
to his prison in Al Salvador. It'll be it'll be
you know, it's so you know, be careful what you
ask for.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I guess yeah, they got they want they want to
do process followed, and that's what Pam Bondi and the
Justice Department is doing. Today.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
What I love about it is the media, the leftist,
the regime media created this because when they wanted to
go crazy about the Maryland Man, all the scrutiny went
to this guy and that's where they went. The media,
like the right, I call it the you know, the
the new media started researching this guy and they had
I think it was in Tennessee, the the bodycam footage

(08:04):
of him at the wheel of a giant van and
all these people packed inside. Yeah, and none of them,
and the and the and the the officer is saying,
we know this guy smugglinghim because there's not a piece
of luggage for.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Any of them.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And they're all coming up from from where they say
they were from Texas, but they're coming up all smuggled.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
All with the same address, which was his home address. Whoops.
He may not be the brightest light in the light
in the.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Closet now and the van was owned by no semester
teen drug members anyway. So in their attempt to you know,
make this to lionize the Maryland Man and make him
out to be this innocent soul, all the scrutiny came
in and what he has find out you find out
this guy is worse than he even thoughts the human traffic.
So now they're bringing them back. They're charging them with

(08:50):
these crimes of having for nine years trafficked individuals including children, women,
and uh, they'll be if he's found guilty, then he'll
have his prison sentence and then he'll go El Salvador.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Interesting to see what they have to say.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
You know, the judge that wanted him back rock back immediately,
what does he think now because he doesn't get to
decide what happens to the Maryland know as sure doesn't
know there's.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Gonna be a there's going to be a quarter log.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
He'll pb try and make it his jurisdiction.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, I know, you know in this judge, Well, let's
wait for the headline that comes up. Federal judge determined
that kings X. This doesn't the grand jury doesn't count. Yeah,
only him he gets to count.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
All right, We've got a lot to get to today. Yes,
we're going to talk about the musk uh Trump meltdown
that has been taking place in the last twenty four hours.
We'll get to the latest on that a little bit
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Speaker 1 (11:10):
Tell us what you're thinking on this weekend. As we
go into the weekend, folks, what are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
We may comment on your comments, So be ready, folks.
We can be brutal at times.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
No, don't say that we are. Yeah, Grace listeners and
all the land, Yes we do, we do, honestly do.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
All right. The Democratic Party has decided to spend twenty
million dollars to find out why men do not want
to be a part of the Democratic Party. We could
tell them that for twenty cents.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, they don't want, they don't want. They can't handle
the truth.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Good line. Thanks, But you've heard that somewhere before, have you,
right from or something?

Speaker 7 (11:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Rings a bell? Well, like I said, twenty million dollars
to study men and to find out why they don't
like Democrats. Well, joining us on our newsmaker line or
any our newsmaker line right now to talk more about
that is Andrew Styles. Andrew is a senior writer of
the Washington Free Beacon. He's come up with some rather
interesting information about one of the people who's been charged

(12:07):
with finding this all out. Andrew, thanks for joining us.
Who is this and what is this individual up to?

Speaker 6 (12:12):
Yeah? So this blew my mind when I saw this
in Politico that one of the people behind this twenty
million dollar campaign to study men and figure out why
they don't like Democrats is Her name is Elise Pogue,
and she's former president of NARAL, which is one of
these kind of radical left wing abortion groups that also

(12:36):
kind of endorses every left wing crazy nonsense policy imaginable.
They were for defunding the police, and in fact, I
think they were even as recently as last year still
saying they wanted to defund the police, and you know,
health care for legal immigrants, you name it, and it's

(12:57):
just the sort of She's the type of career liberal
activist that has spent her higher life in this field,
which is completely comprised that you know, weirdos and freaks
with gender studies and environmental justice degrees, and probably the

(13:18):
last person I would ever pick to help you try
to actually win over some normal voters. But I guess
Democrats are kind of doing what comes naturally to them.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
So here's my question her comments, as you've noted whether
she's working for Greenpeace, whether she was working I mean,
she's had a long, long history of leftist, radical leftist activism.
She's even said that transgender is aligned with the feminist
causes that she's taken up up. So she's even not
really had a good bit. She hasn't had the ability

(13:51):
to find what a man even is. Why on earth
would she understand or be able to advise how to
draw more men to the Democrat Party If she's been
part of the chorus that's attacked men, particularly young men.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Well, yeah, I'm sure if you asked, she would probably
say that men can get pregnant.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, So I.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Think I don't. To me, Democrats, there's nothing they love
more than kind of forming committees and spending tons of
money on a on what pointless cost this? I mean,
I think it's just that this is grouped think at work,
or an inability to kind of think outside their own bubble.

(14:38):
So they hire someone within the bubble to try to
think outside of it reach the people outside of it,
and it just I can't imagine that has any chance
of working. I mean this they're ale, Yeah, the left
wing activists that their whole problem is that they're in
this bubble in the first place, and they can't relate

(14:59):
to normal people. So trying to just solve it amongst themselves,
I don't think it's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
But I'm looking at some of the people are going
to be a part of this. You've got, yeah, I mean,
she's going to ride along with every radical leftist out there,
isn't she? Andrew. As you look at this group what
is being put together to study men, I mean they're
as radical as radical can be, are they not?

Speaker 6 (15:20):
Well, yeah they I mean there's a former congressman who
got you know, destroyed by Ted Cruz ran against him
in Texas. And then there's she's the third co founder
is a polster who's worked for Biden and Democrats for
years and obviously you know that worked out great for

(15:43):
them in twenty four. I just don't these people. There's
donors are panicked. There's a lot of money getting thrown around,
and it seems like this group and at least hope
they were kind of first in law and to pitch
this and give us money to study men and someone

(16:04):
wrote the checks and you know, there's a lot of
gristine in this sort of thing. So yeah, that's kind
of how it goes.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
So it historically, when Michael Ducoccus lost resoundingly to George
Herbert Walker Bush and you then had a continuation of
the Reagan two terms, you had now twelve years of
Republican administration. You saw the Democrats maybe stare at their message,
but not just how they were messaging it, what words
they were using, their syntax. It Actually you saw the
new Democrats come forward to Bill Clinton, who was more

(16:36):
of a blue dog Democrat he was least arguing that
he was more conservative than say a governor. Michael Ducoccus
I argue that you saw the Republicans go through the
same kind of analysis, self analysis between George W. Bush,
and then when we lost against Obama, you had Trump
reintroduce or say, look, who are we where are we going?

(16:57):
How are we going to frame our message? But really
the message did migrate and change. Is there any ability
for the Democrats in twenty twenty five to look at
their message and actually pivot and move where the people
are or are they just trying to trick them and
say we're just gonna say it different, We're gonna wear
different hats and shirts, and we're just gonna trick them
into believe in what we believe.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
That's uh, yeah, that's probably what will end up happening.
But you're absolutely right. But also when the after Romney
lost to Obama and Republicans came out with their autopsy,
Trump ended up winning four years later by completely disregarding
everything that the experts came up with.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yes, and I remember I.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Think Democrats, I would imagine, you know, they're in this
kind of a similar spot, and that maybe the most
likely standard bearer or nominee is someone completely unaffiliated with
the party whose brand is at absolute rock bottom, and
to have a credible outside or you probably need someone

(18:01):
who's completely outside the party and willing to just kind
of crash it the way Trump basically did in twenty
sixteen to great success.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
So my final question is they Democrats haven't had an
open primary since two thousand and eight. Will they ever
have an open primary again?

Speaker 6 (18:20):
I mean, I hope so, because it's going to be
an absolute circus. I would imagine twenty twenty twenty was,
and now there's all sorts of people. There's no one,
they have no one, No one's leading the party right now.
So you're going to have all the factions just going
at it and get some pretty crazy candidates out there. Probably,

(18:46):
I don't know if they learned their lesson about everyone
raising their hands, you're giving stex changes to illegal immigrants
in prison after you know, Kamala Harris just absolutely tanked
herself the election, like going on camera and saying things
like that. Maybe they've learned their lesson, they won't be
as crazy, but we'll see. I'm sure if they had

(19:08):
their way, they would just want to pick someone and
not have to go through that again.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Andrew, thanks for joining us. Andrew Styles from the Washington
Free Beacon on our any our Newsmaker line. I think
an interesting thing he pointed out, Greig, that you and
I have talked about before. He mentioned this during the
interview where he said, anytime Democrats want to get something done,
the Appointed Committee. Yeah, they spend a lot of money
in Appointed Committee and nothing gets done.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, that's they think working is just circling an issue
and letting people talk and letting people feel what it's about,
but really pulling the trigger getting something done. The Democrats
aren't wired to do that because when you do things,
you inherently one hundred percent of everyone's not going to
like what you do. So you're going to you're gonna
you're gonna pick up critics and they don't like critics.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
No, they don't. All right, Morey coming up on the
Rod on Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n R as all right, you know what,
there's so many things to talk about what's going on
between Musk and tra up right now. But the one
thing that hit me today is just driving in the
kind of hit me. You know, you get those strokes
of geniusness occasionally for you less than more people, but

(20:10):
you know you get them again.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I considered a constant stream.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Constant stream, all right. The odd thing about this, Greg
both men want the same thing, Yes, think about this, now,
they have different approaches to how it gets done. I
think Donald Trump thinks we can get whatever he wants
to do through growth, whereas Elon Musk says the only
way to get there is to cut, cut, cut, But

(20:35):
they both want the same thing, a much more efficient,
less expensive government.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, I agree, and I would take it even one
step further. If Trump believed there were the votes to
cut more, he would be fine with it. He is
not protective of a bureaucracy or those budget numbers as
they are. What he's protective of is what he thinks
has the votes. He wants the most conservative cutting you know,
you know, budget cutting bill that preserves the tax rate,

(21:02):
doesn't let taxes go up, puts some money for the wall,
does all the things that it's supposed to do. He
wants the best bill that has the votes to pass,
and that's why he's committed to the current version. Elon
Musk thinks that version is reckless. And so I think
that if Elon Musk were to compel or to persuade
the Senate and then ultimately the House and Senate to

(21:23):
cut more, Donald Trump will that is what he wants
as well. I think he would welcome deeper cuts into
the bureaucracy. I read somewhere that he wasn't a big
budget hawk. You might be able to say that, but
he has always talked about draining the swamp. Draining the
swamp has always been a clarion call. That is, he
has rallied. We've all rallied around since sixteen. So I

(21:47):
think that you're right. I think they want the same thing.
They absolutely they do.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I think they do. They just want to go about
it different ways. Now, another factor in all of this
is we're dealing with people, Okay, administration in people, and
apparently Musk rubbed some of them the wrong way. Well,
and that's human dynamics, right it is. And I think
there's one story. The Acxios has this story today about
this this administrative guy who works for the president. His

(22:14):
name is Sergio grow I think is his name, was
very upset with the nomination of this guy to head
up NASA a friend of Elon Musk, and the reason
for this and why he blocked it and why he
worked to kill it was that he felt that musk
nomination was in fact a Democrat and he did not
want any Democrats in the administration. That apparently set off Musk,

(22:38):
and that's when things started falling apart. That's one of
the stories being reported today.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I think there's two things happening. I think there's an
accumulative effect of Elon Musk's profound disappointment. Okay, and he's
a guy that if usually he gets to if he
owns it a company, he gets to run the show.
If he's disappointed, it's usually from a decision he's made
that's not gone the right way. He's he's the richest
man in the world, but the president, I would argue,

(23:03):
as the leader of the United States, the loan superpowers,
the most powerful man in the world, and so must
doesn't get his way. And I but I think that
he is well within his right to be incredibly disappointed
with the Republican Congress. And I think it just spilled
over because of what you described. Some of these things
just keep happening, happening because he had said that he
didn't like the bill earlier, but he had just had
it as of yesterday. I think it's world. I think

(23:26):
it's WWE. I think it's a studio wrestling because I
think I think that they this is this is meant
to send a strong shot towards Congress to get more
serious about the cuts because they want they also want
Elon Musk on it s. He's the highest in one
cycle or one in this one year he became the
largest Republican donor ever. Okay, they won one just to

(23:50):
Trump three hundred million if you look at all of
the other stuff he donated too, as well as pack.
I'm just gonna it would be insane for Congress, the
Republicans in the House and Senate to not want to
see Elon Musk as an ally, as a strong ally,
and so if he's willing to tell the President climb
a tree, this is terrible. And that Congress, who probably

(24:11):
thought they were getting their political cover from Trump from
Elon Musk, like Elon Musk will still like us because
you know Trump and the year they're tight. I think
this is a play to get Congress to cut more.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I really do.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
And I think that once you get past the bill, however,
whatever form it gets passed in, when we get into August,
it'll be reunited. And it feels so good. I reunited
because they understood I don't.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I don't. I don't see them kissing. The thinking up
for question, it's a fact on that. Now, there are
a lot of comments out there, people analyzing this. We'll
get to that coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show and on this Thank Rod. It's Friday in Utah's
talk radio one oh five nine can arrests. All right,
here's some of the audio that we put together from
today and the analysis of what's going on between Donald
Trump and Elon Musk. This is Jonathan Carl on ABC's

(24:57):
Good Morning America.

Speaker 8 (24:58):
Well, there's been reporting out there the White House is
working to put together a call between Elon Musk and
Donald Trump to broker some kind of piece. I asked
Donald Trump about that. He said he's not particularly interested
in talking to Elon Musk. He said Elon wants to
talk to him. He's not ready to talk to Musk,
who he called a man who has lost his mind.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Wow, and who was lost to his mind. Matter of fact,
you know the funny part of this story. Apparently Jonathan
Curl has Donald Trump's cell phone number, so he called
him a six forty five. Trump answered and said, y'all,
I'll talk to you. What do you want to know?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
I don't know how the media can be treat him
so poorly when they have that kind of access, in
that kind of access that the president provides all of me.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, here's dude, Gindrich.

Speaker 9 (25:39):
Musk is the wealthiest guy in the world, but Donald
Trump is the most powerful person in the world. And
I think probably that Musk kind of forgot that Musk
power comes from Musk money comes from having met consumers,
having been brilliant. Trump has the vote of seventy seven
million Americans to say he ought to be the commander

(26:01):
in chief, and in that kind of a contest, there's
no question in my mind that two, three, four or
five months from now Donald Trump will still be president
and Musk may or may not be relevant. And that
partly depends on whether must decides to grow up and
find a better way of doing this.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
It was just a few days ago, Greg, remember there
were a number of Democrats out there who's saying Donald
are elon Musk and his cuts that doze have cost
three hundred thousand people their lives.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
So John Fetterman from Pennsylvania had his thoughts on the
Democrats embracing this.

Speaker 10 (26:34):
It's like I've been saying, you know that the Dems
we've been dumping all over Musk and vandalizing Tesla's or whatever,
and now suddenly now we might might be more back
into him. And it's a it's thing. It's like, you know,
he's right about that big beautiful bill. I mean that
it's like adding a two and a half trillion debt.
I mean, it's astonishing. I can't imagine anyone genuinely think

(26:55):
this is like a smart thing. And that's where we are.
And now Alex suddenly now Musk is right. Well, we
were just you know, going after him for all this
once now and showing up at Tesla dealerships and all
those kind of things, like we have to decide, you know,
where are we thinking about him?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, you know, it kind of is crazy. But Fetterman
sometimes makes sense. Now has more and more he's making sense.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh he's you know, he's staying in the same spot
and and and what he's watching is everybody else, jumping
around everywhere, and so and he's I think he's accurately
calling it out and and good for him to do it.
I mean, all of a sudden, he's like, we all
hated Musk because he wasn't in that camp before.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Now they now you love him.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I hated this bill, I always have anyway, he's I
do think he's calling balls and strikes a little bit.
I mean he I don't like all of his votes.
I don't subscribe to his worldview mostly, but I like
how he calls out.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
When he can.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
He has like a yes radar.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's not afraid. Yeah, yeah, he'll call him out, that's
for sure. All Right, So we've got another hour. It is,
Thank Roddin Greg. It's Friday. Your phone calls coming up
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
interests Today. Eighty one years ago, we stormed the beaches
of Normandy and really changed the world forever.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yes, and I and I think that you look at
twenty twenty five and you look at the things we
argue about and the things that are that we you know,
that that are pressing and that are high drama, and
you think about that day and what those soldiers had
to go through, and how fortified Normandy was by the Germans.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Uh, they're not.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
There was a number of soldiers who were going to
They just had to win by volume. And it's so
sad to say, but so many soldiers had to die
to even get to those shores, to get to the mountains,
to get to where they had to go. The the
known amount of casualties just to be able to penetrate
that area with how well fortified it was. It's it's
so sad, but it was necessary. But the sacrifice that

(28:53):
was paid is I mean, it's immeasurable.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, yeah, Well have you have You haven't been there? Yeah,
I've always wanted to go.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Go.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I mean, my wife and I and some friends we
went several years ago now and we started at Utah Beach.
And back then there was a brand new American Museum,
World War Two Museum at Utah Beach and it's really
fascinating to walk through. But then you go up to
Omaha Beach. Omaha Beach is a very big beach. I
mean it goes, it goes for it's very wide, goes
for a little while, and then you go to the

(29:24):
National Cemetery which sits right above Omaha Beach, and that's
where all the white crosses are. And it's funny. Everybody's talking,
jabbering in the in the coach we were in taking
this out. As soon as you hit the front gate
to go into the National Cemetery, everything becomes quiet. Yeah,
there's a reverence there, and you walk around and you
see all those white crosses and it really does touch you.

(29:46):
And there, I think they're nine hundred and something there,
I think, as I recall, maybe more than that. But
if anybody is ever in that part of the country,
or you want to want a trip that will really
move you, go to DD, go to no and see
what these men went through. It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, And I think that I think one of the
strategies there was that because that that area was so
overwhelmingly fortified and protected that there was no one in
their right mind who would try to storm those beaches
or take uh, try to get into France from that spot.
But that was what they were using that to their
advantage because they felt like that would create some that
they would be able to surprise them to some degree.

(30:24):
It is it's it is. It's not like any other battle.
In my mind in terms of what you what the
what the casualty rate was going to be and understood
to be from the get go, this is I mean,
it was, it was just it's tough, but to sacrifice.
It's you know, I I say land of the Free
because of the brave. You can pin it down to
this day right here, December or October or June sixth,

(30:48):
and again the eighty one year anniversary. It's it's uh,
it is. It's it's humbling when you look at it.
And there's a lot going on right now in politics,
a lot happening, and we're having battles of ideas and
everything else. But when you see what it took to
keep this country here, to keep that evil of the
Nazis from going any further, and to be able to

(31:09):
take back France, it's it's we really don't I don't
think we understood we actually comprehend it well enough.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I heard today and I think this figure is right.
There are roughly sixty six thousand World War II veterans
still alive today. Only sixty six thousand. Well, you know,
and as Tom Brokaw said it as marvelous book years ago,
they're dying every day. I mean, you know, you look
at maybe they're in their early twenties and now it's

(31:38):
eighty years later. Many of them are knocking on the
door of one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
My grandparents all fought in World War Two. So I
guess it.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
You went, You went the other day, tell the story,
you win San Diego, gues Sandy, and you did something
that you never had done before.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I decided I was on my own, so I
just it was a long drive, but I wanted to
go up to Santa Barbara my for whatever reason, and
I don't know what the reason is. The family history
details are non existent, but I have a grandfather who's
a veteran of World War Two who is laid to
rest at a at a cemetery in Santa Barbara Galita
Park Cemetery, and I wanted to see it. I'd seen

(32:13):
there's a there's a website that's a find a Grave website.
I'd seen images of it. But I want to go there.
I want to go there and experience it. So I drove.
I drove up three and a half hours up of
the coast to see it, and it meant a lot
to me. I I that's you know, that's a hue.
That's that's Walter Hughes Junior there and that's that's my name,

(32:34):
and that's and I'm proud of that. I'm proud of
my grandmother's service in the Navy during World War Two.
My grandfather, uh Wilbur Delver James, he was he was
on the USS Kid which is a museum in Baton Rouge.
The destroyer is, yeah, and I have pictures of him
on that destroyer and my my grandpat Francis Maguire, who

(32:58):
was in the army and held but they were building.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
The Burma Rote Burmer Trail, Burma Road.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
He was protecting from the Japanese that would come in
and try to attack the American soldiers protecting that road,
building that road. Anyway, I've heard a lot of stories
about World War Two, but none of my family members
fought on D Day.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, and I don't have that.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
But that's a again, it's a part you don't win without.
It's just such an you can't comprehend what happened that day.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And the man who was able to bring all this
together was d White Eyesenhower now Dwight Eisenhower born in Texas,
but raised in Kansas. Very simple. You know, American did
not let his ego get in the way in everything
that he tried to do. I mean he dealt with
generals like MacArthur, Yeah, Paton Montgomery. I mean he had to.
He had a deal with all these guys. Not MacArthur

(33:47):
so much because he's in the Pacific, but he had
to deal with all of these and he left a message.
The day of the invasion, he sent a message to
all the troops about what they were undertake. It's long.
I'm not going to play the whole It's about a
minute and half two minutes long. But here's the last
section of what Dwight eisen Howard said eighty one years ago.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Today, the tide has turned.

Speaker 11 (34:09):
The freemen of the world are marching together to victory.
I have full competence in your courage, devotion to duty,
and scale in battle. We will accept nothing less than
full victory. Good luck, and let us all be seeks
the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Now one thing I learned today, Greg, and this is
I've never heard of this. I don't think it's been
printed anywhere, but this was the side. But apparently Eisenhower
had scribbled in pencil on a little note. He misdated it.
He misdated at July fifth. I don't know why he
did that, but he folded it up and he put
it in his shirt pocket. No one ever knew that.

(34:49):
They didn't see it until years later. Here's what the
note said, If any blame or fault attaches to the attempt,
it is mine alone.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
So he was ready to tell the American people if
this whole thing blew up, if they weren't able to
break through. He had a note repaired and prepared, and
it just said, if any blame or fault attaches to
this attempt, it is mine alone. Yeah, I've never heard
that story, and I just discovered this today. It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
And I'll tell you this. What that says to me
is that he was absolutely convinced this was the path.
You heard it in his confidence to the soldiers, that
there was no version of life other than absolute, outright victory,
and that he had faith in them and their skill
and then to win and went out right, and the
tide it turned. But I've said this before that I
think real leadership, I mean true leadership. It's probably the

(35:42):
loneliest experience that someone will ever feel. They say success
has a thousand fathers and failure as an orphan. And
I think sometimes a real leader has to make some
of those decisions. Like you just heard then, General Eisenhower,
this was on his shoulders. This is, you know, something
he could spread around or do by committee.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
He knew. This is that lonely moment.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
He knew he was the one that made this decision,
probably with a lot of people saying this is a
suicide mission. Yeah, And I think true leadership is a
very lonely experience.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
The mere fact that they could keep this as hidden
as long as they did. They faked out the Germans
by sending Patten up to North with fake tanks. They
to deceive them as much they can. It is an
amazing feet And I don't know how much they study
this in school. I hope they do. I'm not sure
if they do in history anymore. But you know, explain
to your children the sacrifice and not only the men involved,

(36:39):
but all the families that were back in this country
building this machinery, the women, the families, the sacrifices they made.
They gave up stuff because I had to go to
the warfront, and they did, and that was America eighty
years ago.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
We were so unprepared after Pearl Harbor. We didn't have
the planes, we didn't have the tanks. The Nazi planes
were faster than ours and better than ours. We didn't
have the ships. They wiped out our navel, all most
of our ships that at Pearl Harbor. The amount of
industry that had to happen so quickly, the new ships, built,

(37:12):
the guns, they are everything. We were just so unprepared,
we were so tired from World War One. Fdr had
to go to the titans, the industrial titans of this
country who he had kind of treated poorly and broke
up some of the monopolies everything. He had to go
to them and ask them, please, we have to all
get in this, and they did. They all leaned in,
and you saw and women had to work in manufacturing

(37:35):
because men were overseas or in the war that they
had to do things they'd never done before. They had
the Rosie the Riveter, you had. You had so many
people that had to do so much to make to
see the success that we saw, and it's it's hard
to put all that into its proper perspective. But I
think on a daylight today, we should at least try.

(37:55):
I don't think we will actually, but I think we
should try.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Remember it, folks, amazing one years ago today. All right, Well,
want to get to your phone calls. Lines are open
to you. We can talk about D Day, we can
talk about what's going on with Elon Musk and Donald Trump.
A lot of people I'm hearing are siding with Donald
Trump on this issue, saying Elon's off base on this one.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I don't think it's a real fight. I think I
think it's I think it's studio wrestling. That's not real.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
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Speaker 1 (38:36):
Let's go to the phones, Greg, Yeah, let's go to
Lester and lighton. Lester, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
Well, thank you. I listened to your thing about Normandy.
I just got back a couple of weeks ago from
Holland and Belgium and be e week eighty birthday that
or not birthday, bit anniversary at the day. Yeah, And
we had a chance to go and go down to
Flandersfield World War One, and then we went down to

(39:05):
bath Stone for the Bottle of Bullgs and that was
very a humbling experience to see what those guys went through.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
How do they do it? How do they commemorate it?
Is it a well?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Is it a big deal? Is what's it like?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I mean, what is it that you saw when the bulge?

Speaker 7 (39:24):
Well, the first when we first got to Bruges one
morning we were waking up, we were out in Bruce
City center. All sudden this big Canadian band came March
and Ane and afterwards, after they played the music, they
stopped and said we want to thank the Canadians because
it was eighty years ago in September of nineteen forty

(39:46):
four they liberated the city of Bruges. Then we went
down to drove down we went to flanders Field, which
kind of surprised me. It's not that big, but it's
kind of a humbling experience to see the you know,
the American grace in World War One. And then in
bas Stone they've got a wonderful museum there. It just

(40:07):
takes it to it. And then we went to an
area best do on worth of preserved. When you've seen
that show a Band of Brothers, they preserved that area, Yeah,
they did where they're great. I'm not the great the
Foxhols were. And what surprised me was how close they
were to the German lines. I mean, I could take
a rock at my age, I'm seventy four and I

(40:29):
could hit German lines where they were. Well, you know
what those guys went to, you know, pretty amazing. Humbling
is the sacred ground.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
It sure is. Thank you Lester for your thoughts on that.
I've always had that feeling. Greg, and I don't know.
I've been fortunate to go to Utah Beach, Normandy, Pearl Harbor.
You've been to Pearl you haven't been to Pearl Harbor.
Amazing Pearl Harbor. New museum over there that opened up
several years ago. Now Gettysburg, I've been there, and that's
that's quite quite. You get such a sense of history

(41:01):
when you visit these places.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
It's what breaks my heart.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
About finding out later in life that the classical education
or an education about our American history, or about any
any part that you would think would be foundational to
k through twelve education higher education, that you would know
your history of your of your country as well as
the world. I just think it's absolutely requisite for any

(41:27):
pursuit of education, and yet it's completely absent.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, I wonder how many kids in their in their
history classes this year even talked about World War two
or D Day.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
And you know what, there's a natural curiosity with people
about this is a well documented fight. I mean, you know,
World War Two, probably more footage and things than the
prior the wars prior to it. But there is a
there is a lot of well deserved attention towards uh
that war, but our conflicts as a country and how
we became a country, but all of them, and I
think that people have a natural curiosity to understand that more.

(42:00):
And you see it certainly commercially where you see the
History channel, or you see it on television and different
channels and different you know, documentaries, But then you get
to school and they don't they don't tap into that
end of that curiosity. And how important it is for
our kids to understand it. I'm just grateful for grandparents

(42:20):
that helped me understand the weight of it all, which
they did. Some of it was by not wanting to
talk really about it, talk more in vague terms, because
it was dramatic and I could feel it as a
young boy.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
There are many people out there, Greg, and we'll we'll
take a break and come up with more phone calls.
But there are many people out there who talk about
you know, you've seen the movie Saving Private Ryan, Yes, yes,
I have, and the D Day invasion and I remember
one one interview after that day in which the veteran
who was there say they didn't even come close to

(42:52):
what really was going to You're kidding, And that's pretty
brutal to see Saving Private Ryan and the landing on
D Day and Normandy and I reader this guy say
it wasn't even close. It was unbelievably brutal. Wow, man,
imagine it is all right mare Coming up the Rod
and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine k nrins, let's go to the phones.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Let's go to John in Salt Lake City. John, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
How are you doing out?

Speaker 12 (43:19):
How are you doing Greg?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
We're doing well. Thank you. John.

Speaker 12 (43:23):
Hey, I just wanted to let you know what D
Day mean to me. I have a very interesting story.
My dad was from Warsaw. He was fourteen when the
Nazis stormed Warsaw and he was he was living there
because that's where his family and him were at. He
was separated from his family. He was Catholic, he wasn't Jewish,

(43:44):
and he he worked the underground. You know, when the
Nazis came, a lot of the youth would They didn't,
they didn't get captured. They worked the underground. They stayed
out in the foreham and they would you know, they
they would, they would help people they could. But he
did this for a while till that the Nazis finally
captured him and he actually he actually was in a
concentration camp and was liberated when the Americans came through.

(44:09):
But he never saw another family member ever again. He's
the only one that we know of, and you know,
on his side of the family.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
He made it into.

Speaker 12 (44:20):
England and worked in the coal mines and then joined
the English Army and then was able to join the
American Army over there and make it to America where
I can drim. Wow, it's an amazing story. And you know,
he used to talk about how when he was working
the underground before he got caught, and they were trying

(44:41):
to just stay clear and the Nazis staying out of
the city. You know, they had open sewers over there,
and the Nazis wouldn't go near the sewers, so they
would swim under these sewers to get from point A
to point B, just because that's what it took to survive.
So it was a it was a pretty tough, pretty
tough time. And now mind you, he was only four
teen years old while all this.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
Was going on.

Speaker 12 (45:01):
Also, I got I got a pretty tough story.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Well you sure, John. A lot of people and I
talked to who a lot of people I know whose
dads were in the World War two and always reluctant
to talk about what they saw.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I was just gonna ask you.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Did you, John, did your dad openly talk about this?
Did he have trouble talking about it and what he saw?

Speaker 7 (45:20):
Did not?

Speaker 12 (45:21):
I found out about it through an article that the
military actually ran on him when I was really young
and it's just I just I read the article.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
He my dad never talked about it.

Speaker 12 (45:32):
He he he said very little, you know, he said
very little. But in this article, you know, he mentioned
his whole life and what he did, and it was
it was a big surprise. He wouldn't talk about his
family or anybody. It was so tough, you know. And
you know, one of the things that did plague him
was he was an alcoholic, which is totally understandable, you know,

(45:52):
he he he had a pretty tough and and you
know the worst part about it too. He died before
I was an adult, and so I couldn't ask him
questions I would ask today. As a child, I didn't
know to ask questions.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, yeah, well, John, thank you very very much for
sharing that story. That's an amazing story. And I have
a good friend. Her father flew in the bombadiers, dropping
bombs on on on Germany and Europe during the and
her father would never talk about what they went through
and what they saw. No famous by that Steven Spielberg series,

(46:28):
what was it just a year ago? I can't even
remember the name of it though, where they talked about
you know, he's done, you know, certainly saving private Ryan,
and then they did some of the skies. What was
it called the Masters of the Masters of this guy
something like that. He would be one of those, and
he was a bombadier who would be looking.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Into his ope and so high they see those squadrons leave,
and so few planes come back.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
And see how many made it through.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
You know, you read my mind.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
That's the question I wanted to ask John, is how
much his father was willing to share such a a
tough I mean, almost just inhumane. You can't even imagine
the circumstances. And his answer is what it just tracks
with what my family. You know, my grandparents didn't weren't
born in Warsaw, weren't in a concentration camp, didn't fight

(47:15):
all this when they were fourteen, losing their family forever,
so a different experience. But even then, my grandparents, I've
learned the most about their service from the history books
and from uh that they didn't share the details, and
in a.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Way, great Greg, I wish they would and their wives
or their husbands would to help this new generation understand
what this country went through during this time right and
how this country stepped This was, in my opinion, maybe
the greatest moment in American history was our role in
defeating Germany and defeating Japan.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Absolutely, can you see how evil they were and what
was motivating them? And I'll but I'll tell you that
my grand my mother's father, my grandfather, he was on
the USS Kid when they survived. The ship did not
sink when they were hip by a kamakaze pilot. And
but a lot of fatalities, a lot of death. I
sense from what what my grandparents would share that there

(48:09):
was almost a guilt that the fatality rate was so
high and so many that they knew never came back.
That there was almost a guilt that they did get.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Back, that they did get me.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
And and it's hard.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
To talk about it because the weight of that that
they actually survived something that so many that they that
they fought with and that they knew never were able
to come back.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
And that's what angers me so much when I and
people ever write to free speech, we understand that. But
you see people in this country, college kids walking around
saying death to America. Yeah, and I want to say,
come with me. I want you to talk to this
veteran and let him tell you what he went through
for America. And then you tell me you want America
to die. Yeah, and it drives me nuts.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Look at those commencement speakers. One that that gets up
there and spews the anti American stuff after she you know,
totally lies about where a speech is going to be about,
so they didn't know what she was going to say.
And then she goes and goes on this anti American,
you know, pro terrorist tirade, and I just we have
we've seen this pendulum swing. I'm so done with and
again free speech. I you don't know what you don't know.
So we ought to have the thorough you know, diversity

(49:12):
of thought, let it all fly out there. But my goodness,
we're not getting diversity of thought. We're getting one school
of thought and that is all anti American, anti our institutional,
foundational institutions, you name it. And now these kids don't
even have the opportunity to have this curriculum in front
of them, whether it's K through twelve or higher ed.
It's just it's it's and by the way, it's not

(49:32):
out of ignorance or or stupidity.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
It's planned.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Is it is intentional to try to make this country
forget its history because it's powerful and it's what keeps
this country strong if we could forget that history. Yeah,
and that's and that's what people that love to destroy
this country want to see happen.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
All Right, more coming up, It is the Rod and
Greg Show with you on this Friday afternoon and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrest you don't.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Know what you're talking about. Look, I was raised by
a single mom and a grandma. They might have you know,
they might have had you know, they might have fash.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
That's not a girly. I showed you.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I showed you a picture of me. I'm so little
on what do I have on? A Pittsburgh Pirates batting
helmet and a bat and there's not a guy to
be found in.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
But there's another one in there that has you in
a little uh jumper suit.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, I was trying to show you that the zoo.
I was at the Bears jumper suit only little girls.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
Please.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
You don't even know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
As I do.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Hey, uh.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
One thing I want to mention Greg and I wish
more school boards would do this around the country. And
this actually did happen in California. A good thing that
happened at a school board in California. They came down
greg and opposition to biological males identifying as women competing
in women's sports. The school board did that. How they
both just stop that.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
It took a time.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Tom Duncan, a member of the I guess it's Placer
Union High School District blacker Placer Union High School District, said,
even if it's one biological girl that is injured by
playing against a biological boy, that is one too many. Yes,
even if there's one it is it is one too many.

(51:13):
As a matter of fact, there was another member of
the committee or of the school board. He is a
father of a transgender son. That's what he has say.
He said, I totally understand the LGBD community. I love
my son more than anything in the world, and I
want my son to be who he is. At the
same time, I have a daughter that's sixteen and inspire

(51:35):
an aspiring athlete, and I would not want her having
to compete against biological males who absolutely, one hundred percent
have a biological advantage. There is no doubt about that.
So even the father of a transgender child loves his child,
wants him to be who he wants to be, but
he does not support his child playing in a women's

(51:57):
sports or a girl sports.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, and I don't care what they say. The world,
the world, the world sanctioning body for amateur boxing, did
a just an intense study on this, and they concluded
that if a young man has got into puberty, no blockers,
no anything that you do after that will get will
create a level playing ground. The level playing field, they
will always have an advantage. Their oxygen intake, their recovery time,

(52:21):
everything will be superior to a female if they've got
through puberty. So yeah, it's it's not fair. It's fundamentally
not fair. And uh and I'm glad that a father
that has a daughter and a son that's going through
that can call it fair.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
That took that took a little courage. And how about
the courage of the girls up in Oregon last week
they lost in the state track meet. They turned their
back on the winner.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
As they should.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, I'll tell you it was a boy.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
The breaking news today is that the Trump administration is
ready to withhold all the federal funds, all federal funds,
that's transportation funds, education funds. They're gonna they're just gonna
stop sending federal money to California because they're just violating
the law. Yeah yeah, where the arrogance of California and
Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Let's see what what they do next.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
See how far he goes to that one? Right?

Speaker 11 (53:09):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
All right? Our number three is on his way. Our
listen back fighting segments coming your way, and we'll also
talk about a plan the governor has. He wants us
all to disconnect on Monday. Wow, just disconnect.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Oh yeah this, I'm gonna be so good at this.
Does that mean we don't have to show up, No,
we're gonna show up here. Yeah, yes, we have to connect.
All right, more coming up. Our number three of the
Riding Greg Show is.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
On its way.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
That's right, well, the governor is urging Utah's Greg to
set aside their screens and spend more quality time fates
to face with their family, declaring this coming Monday the
start of Family Connection Week.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Good.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I'm all for it, except for your family because you
could not live with your cell phone.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I yes, I don't know what to say.
I'm I'm this is one of the few times where
I don't have a lot to contribute to this topic.
I think I'm a failure on all fronts. I don't
know what I can say without sounding like a hypocrite.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
To those who know me, ladies and gentlemen, would you
write down this in your daily calendar that he doesn't
have anything to say on this topic?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
It's hard. This is a hard one.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, it's a hard one. Well, why should kids go
cold turkey on high tech? Joining us on our newsmaker
line right now to talk about it is Claire Morel.
She is a Fellow of Ethics and Public Policy Center.
She's got a brand new book out there called The
Tech Exit. Is it even possible to go cold Turkey
with texts today?

Speaker 13 (54:35):
Claire, Yes, it actually is possible. The smartphone for you
childhood is possible. A growing number of families are doing
this and that the key is really to finding other
families to do this with you. So talking to people
in your neighborhood, your school, your church, and to just
start small. I try to tell people it may seem

(54:55):
too much to do this over the long term, but
anyone can try some thing for thirty days and so
try out a digital detox. And the summer is a
great time to do this, which you just go screen
free for thirty days, see the results in your kids,
and then keep going long term.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
So this sounds great for kids. What about me? I
can't I look at that.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I look at the weather app, I look at my
text I look at my emails. I look I got
a map app that tells me where I'm going to drive,
how long it's going to take me to get there?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I mean, I kids don't know what they don't know.
You get them early enough, I can see it. What
about adults? Should they be putting these phones down like
the kids?

Speaker 13 (55:34):
No, it's a great question. I tell parents that you
don't have to do the detox at the level that
you're having your kids do it. But I do say
it really helps if parents are team players, if they
if the kids feel like the parents are on board
with this too. And so what I encourage parents to
do is try to make your smartphone less appealing to you,
like take off apps that you don't need, turn off notifications,

(55:58):
hide apps away in folders, and then just the biggest
thing is just trying to physically distance yourself from your device,
especially when you come home and you're with your kids.
Try to just turn it off and put it away
and be present with your kids. So adults don't need
to go a smartphone free, but definitely trying to make
your phone less addicting to yourself. Distancing yourself from it

(56:20):
will not only help you with your own relationship with
your smartphone, will actually help you engage more with your
kids to make this family detox really a strengthening experience
for the family.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Claire, this is a terrifying interview. I don't even know
where that. I don't even know how this happened.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I'm so terrified by what you Usually I get phantom
vibrations in my in my pocket when I don't have
my phone. I think it's buzzing, and it's not even
on my body. I don't I think I'm I think
I'm in trouble listening to you.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I can't even imagine being able to do it. My
kids are adults. Maybe I'm maybe I'm safe. I don't know,
but but honestly, I guess I guess this is probably
good for mental health, is it is? I think emotional
intelligence is important. Again, do you think that that we
should all everybody should take it more seriously and maybe
track how much time they're using their phone. I hate it.

(57:08):
I hate what you're saying, but I think you might
be right.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (57:12):
No, the brain research shows that phones are addicting. They
act on the brain like a highly addictive drug. And
what you just talked about the phantom vibrations, they are
constantly pulling us back, like the notifications, the dopamine features,
and so studies have shown that adults who have done
like a two week detok show great improvements in their mood,

(57:35):
their attention spans, ability to focus, mental health, also sleep.
I think that a lot of people's asleep is affected
by our phones, and so the more that we can
distance ourselves from them and truly use them as a
tool rather than allowing them to use us, it will

(57:55):
really allow us to experience more well being in our
own lives.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Claire, how much damage has all this screen time not
only done to my co host? Obviously it has, but really,
I mean, how much damage is it doing to our children?
Right now? What is the one or two serious impacts
that you think it's having on our kids?

Speaker 13 (58:16):
No, it's I mean, it's a great question, and I
would just say the first thing is just that the
two effects are is it's changing our kids' brain development.
It really is. The studies are showing that kids who
are using social media smartphones show this divergent brain development
over time. The second thing is the mental health. I mean,
kids rate the depression, self harm, anxiety, suicide or at

(58:40):
all time highs. And research shows the younger the age
of smartphone the worst the mental health outcomes of adults.
In fact, what is the highest increase is in suicide
and suicide ideation that the younger you get a smartphone,
the more likely you are to struggle with that as
an adult. So it's really serious. And then the last
thing I'll say is that when you give a child

(59:00):
a smartphone, you're giving access to the entire world to
your child. It is impossible to completely lock down a
smartphone so that predators and dangerous content can't be accessing
your children. And so the amount of sextortion schemes AI
generated deep fake images that are just really troubling our

(59:22):
teens today is very serious. And so those are some
of the reasons that I would just say parents, like
it's never too late to reverse course, like take the
smartphone away. There are better alternative phones available. Something I
talk about in my book the tech Exit, like there
are better phones even in the last three years that have
come out, like the Dark phone or the light phone

(59:44):
or the Wise phone, that allow your child to text
and call, communicate, have certain tools like GPS, but no
internet browser, no social media, no addictive gaming apps, and
so after one of those phones instead. And you know,
the summer is a great time to make changed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Yeah, so I guess, I guess my final question would be, again,
our kids aren't I can't remember how much my kids
dependent on their phones, and it was a punishment if
I put them in there, if they got grounded, they
couldn't have their phone with them. Your kids are going
to find work arounds. They're going to really resist this.
Have you found any swing thoughts, any anything you can
explain to your child? And the summer is the exact

(01:00:25):
time you would ever try to do this? What what
is most compelling to kids? You're for a parent to
share with their kids to get them committed to try this. Uh,
you know, this time getting away from that phone for
a certain amount of time. What can you what can
what's compelling to them?

Speaker 13 (01:00:41):
Thank you for asking that. It's something I actually tell
parents is really important to do is to actually help
get your kids on board, because you know they are
going to face the adult world and have to navigate
these digital temptations for themselves, and so explaining your reasons
and educating them on the harms is really important. I've
found that most parents said that what was most effective
was explaining the business model behind smartphones and social media

(01:01:05):
to their kids. That they are trying to profit off
of your time and attention and data and they use
that to manipulate you to get you to use their
product more. And so many parents said, no teenager wants
to be manipulated to feel like this tech company is
like pulling the strings behind the scenes and manipulating them
to desire this or to even view certain things like

(01:01:28):
the algorithms that suck them in are all manipulating them.
I think really that is eye opening for kids to
hear and to just tell them like, this is for
your good, It's for your well being. You know, we
don't want you to struggle in these ways with these
mental health effects, you know, with the brain, you know,
development being hindered by these things. And I think kids

(01:01:49):
can understand that, even if they don't love your decisions
at the time, they can at least understand the rationale, so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
You can go cold turkey. Claire had some suggestions and
talking about it, she gave you some swing thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Yes, I mean I I yeah, But.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Anyone who knows me, he just knows that even me
paying lip service to this is just fiction. They might
know me better than even if I aspire to such things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yes, it's just the phantom vibrating of my phone in
a pocket when I don't have my phone on me
is real.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
It is a real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, yeah, all right. When we come back on the
Rod and Greg Show on this thank rodin Greg Is Friday,
we'll talk about why do we let people into this
country who hate us. We'll explore that coming up next
on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine can Ars. Well,
we're a little bit less than a week away from
that tragedy took place in Boulder, Colorado on Sunday. You've
got a group of older members of the Jewish faith

(01:02:45):
marching in support of those still being held hostage by Hamas,
and this nut job decides to create mulotov cocktails and
throw them at him. Adurie I think eight to fifteen
people despicable story. Well, he was in this country. He's
an Egyptian. He was in this country illegally, Greg And
the question came to mind right away, why do we
allow people who hate this to stay in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, he got in this country illegally under the Biden administration,
which is a really low bar to get into the country,
and then he was able to finangle another two years
out of it through a contrived process. But he couldn't
even stay within the parameters that Biden laid out for him,
which were pretty easy. And so yeah, his status and
his family status was illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah, so it raises the question why do we welcome
people in the country who just hate us? Well, joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now to talk about
that is France's Minton. He is a blogger at the
Manhattan Contrarian. What is it, Francis, what has happened to
us that we allow people who really don't like us
to come into this country?

Speaker 14 (01:03:45):
Well, I wish I knew. I think the main thing
that happened oas is we had Joe Biden for the
president for four years and we had Alejandro Marijorcis as
the Secretary of Homeland Security, and I think think my
orci is, for whatever he may have said in congressional
testimony or in other places, was one hundred percent a

(01:04:08):
an activist for letting in as many people as could
be let in under whatever guyses or reasons or theories
could be come up with. And in terms of letting
in people who hate America, you know, most of the
people who come in don't hate America. Most of the
people who come in illegally don't hate America, particularly from

(01:04:29):
Latin America, Mexico and part South. A few of them,
I'm sure do, but most don't know. It's it's it's
the ones from the Middle East and Europe to some
substantial degree. But there are large numbers of them, and
they shouldn't be so hard to find. But anyway, Biden

(01:04:51):
was definitely not looking for them. And I think I
think Trump is how successful, how successful would be, I
don't know. I think Marco Rubio has specifically said they're
going to start vetting people asking for visas, which seems
so obvious, but it hasn't been done up till now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
You know, you bring up such a good point. When
I was a public servant. I'm a recovering public servant now.
I spoke at naturalization ceremonies at our state capital in Rotunda,
and these were some of the most emotional and inspiring
events that I had attended.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
At our state capitol.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
People have with their American flags, as you point out,
people that are so excited to be sworn in as
citizens of the United States, and you contrast that with
people the vitriol and the hatred towards this country, of
these terrorists that we see, or even these commencement speakers apparently,
But can we ever get to a place where the
people that would be in this country are people that aspire,

(01:05:46):
would love to be in this country, love America. If
we have a media that doesn't even like this country.
We have the USA today talking about this ill this
terrorist whose daughter was here illegally too, that she just
dreamed of studying medicine, she just wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
To be a nurse.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Well, I mean, I don't know one thing about the victims,
whether who they are, about what they dreamt about, what
their children have dreamt about being in America. All I'm
hearing is this uh contrived and horribly misplaced sympathy to
a terrorist in his family that are here illegally, that
actually hate this country. How do we get immigrants to

(01:06:23):
love this country if we have a media that has
is so distorted in what is good and what is not.

Speaker 14 (01:06:32):
Well, I don't know how you're going to fixt the
media other than they discredit themselves little by little. But
in terms of vetting, you might think, with millions coming in,
or at least a million legally and more than a
million legally and maybe they can cut off the rest,
but call it a million, you might say that's a
huge job. How we're going to vet them all? But

(01:06:52):
the truth is the truth is that the ones who
hate America are coming from a couple of sources that
are for us all part of the problem or a
small part of the immigration load, and that is Muslim
countries and university students. And there's an overlap there, but
not full overlap. There are a lot of the university

(01:07:14):
students who come because to be a university student today,
to be trendy in a university is to hate America
and to hate capitalism and to hate Israel, whether you're
Muslim or not. But those two groups, I'll bet they're
less than ten percent. Those are the ones who need
the betting. Is it Yeah, go ahead, But I'm just

(01:07:35):
going to say, is it an overwhelming problem? I think
it can be done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
What about this debate and you write about this, Francis
this debate in America about free speech. Well, they can
come into this country and say whatever they want. I mean,
what are your thoughts on that, because I would disagree
with that. If they're expressing hate for America, I've got
an issue with that. How do we how do we
handle or respond to those people who say, well, they're
just expressing their opinion. Free speeches allowed in this country.

Speaker 14 (01:08:03):
Yes, but you but their visa is discretionary, So send
them home and they can say whatever they want or
or you know, if you are a citizen of the
United States, you can't be deported and you can say
whatever you want short of immediate incitements of violence. So
if you express hatred of the United States, or hatred

(01:08:24):
of Israel, or wanting to kill Zionists, even as an
American citizen, yes, you can't be deported and you can't
be punished. But if you are here on a discretionary visa,
I do not believe there is a legal reason why
you can't be thrown out. Now, there seem to be

(01:08:44):
judges who disagree with me. I do not think that
the US Supreme Court is going to disagree with me
when it gets there. But I can't give you one
hundred percent guarantee on that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Well, we're going to need that Supreme Court. Just coming
over the news lines, we've also seen that a federal
judge is now blown Trump from the Trump administration from
deporting the terrorist suspects families family. So the judges now
saying a judge of federal judge has now blocked the
deporting of the family of Mohammed Seliman, and so it's
going to have to go up the chain. As a

(01:09:17):
lot of this has we've had the judiciary blocking some
real common sense measures that you've just described. So well,
I'm just seeing it right now. What do you say
about that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
How do I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Is this just a pause? Is this going to ultimately happen?
Are they going to be deported or are people here
illegally in family households that are committing terrorism? Are they
just going to be allowed to stay?

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:09:38):
If you read my website on this, and I am
a lawyer, I'm actually admitted to practice, and I maintained
my license active, although I've been retired mainly from the
practice of law for almost a decade. But the thing
I can tell you people say I'm not a lawyer,
I'm not qualified to speak on this. Well, actually I

(01:10:00):
disagree with that. The key to this is you have
to find the relative authorities and read the exact words
of them. Now, I couldn't tell you if it did
this judge rely on some particular statute or on some
particular case, and and if I saw his opinion, I
would go read that statute, and I would go read
that case and see what its exact words are, and

(01:10:21):
based on that I could give you a better view
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
On our any our newsmaker line, Fransis Minton talking about
why we allow people who just don't like it in
the country. I can't figure out if in their interview
they say I hate America. You're gone. I mean you're gone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Yeah, Honestly, it doesn't make any sense at all. I'm
glad that the President Trump's put in implement some travel
bands from certain nations as well. I think that those
are appropriate given the times we're living in right now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I'm all for free speech, but not if.

Speaker 7 (01:10:51):
You hate us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
No, you know it's again, there's no you're a guest. Yeah,
if you're coming in on a visa, you're not entitled
to anything. You have no rights. You are asking permission
to come in if you hate the place. I don't
know any country that would say if you'll, especially if
you'll lead with that in answer that you know you
shouldn't be in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
It'd be like you having a party and people show
up and they all say they hate you. Yeah, why
you'd probably keep them at the party because you'd engage
and argue with them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I would argue with that. I know you'd say you're crazy,
you know you would. I used to say, if a
girl didn't like me, I'd say, she's mental. Why she
didn't like me?

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Clearly?

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
That got crazy. That got you a lot of dates.
All right, more coming up our Listen Back Friday segments
coming your way right here on The Rotten Greg Show
and Talk Radio one O five to nine KNRS. We
thought one of the more interesting stories that we delved
into this week was is Utah's electric changing. A lot
of people out there say we've become more moderate and
maybe even leaning a little more purple. I'm not sure

(01:11:46):
if that's true, but the numbers kind of indicate that,
Greg they may.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I think binary choices in terms of the Republican you're
voting for versus a Democrat, may lead you. If the
Republican nominee is not as conservative as even the voter wished,
they'll still vote for that Republican over a Democrat. But yeah, no,
I think as the population grows in Salt Lake County,
you're seeing a lot more Democrat strength in the state
of Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Well, we had a chance earlier this week to talk
with Ryan Burge. He is a political scientist at Eastern
Illinois University. He's done some research into this, and we
asked Ryan when we began the conversation. You know, Utah
has often characterized as being one of the reddest of
red states. Is that true anymore?

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't call Utah the reddest of red states.
I mean, Oklahoma didn't have a single county that voted
for Tamala Harris in twenty twenty four, So definitely a
lot more I would say purple ish, maybe light red
latter these thinks are a Republican voting block, But definitely
not in the same strait as like a white evangelical.

(01:12:46):
Let's say so in the twenty twenty four election, about
two thirds and then voter for Trump and about thirty
percent voter for Harris. That was exactly the same as
what it looked like in the twenty twenty election between
Biden and Trump, about two thirds voter for Trump and
about thirty percent voter for Biden. You know, sixty five
seventy percent of later day Saints tend to vote for Republicans.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
In election, then, so we were taught. I love your article.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Thank you for diving into these numbers and analyzing them.
One of the things that I find interesting about Utah's culture,
or more specifically, i'd say the culture of members of
the Church of Jedis Christ the Lary Saints, which is
the majority you know, denomination here in Utah, is that
people want to be appear to be fair. And I
think you struck on this in your article where you

(01:13:29):
said a lot of people will self identify as moderate,
maybe left of center, right of center a little bit,
but it doesn't track what's happening at the at the
ballot boxes and come time to vote, and it's always
been the case that that Utah's always wanted to find,
in my opinion, a Democrat to vote for, so they
could feel that they're being fair minded. And I think

(01:13:49):
it would track that if you ask them, you know,
are you conservative, are you moderate?

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Or you left?

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
There's a resistance to categorize themselves. They'd like to believe
that they vote for the person without regard to that.
But when you can put the choices in front of them,
they are voting more often right and right instead of left.
Maybe share with our listeners, is that a fe I mean,
are you seeing what they self identify with differently than
how they're voting and Utah especially in twenty twenty four

(01:14:17):
election versus twenty sixteen when Trump first ran.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
Yeah, so, I mean I think to me, that's really
how you tell.

Speaker 6 (01:14:24):
It which way the election is going to go.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
It's how the moderates vote. And if you look at
the LDS in twenty twenty, fifty nine percent of the
moderates voted for Biden, but in twenty twenty four, only
fifty percent of the LDS moderates voted for Harris, So
you can definitely see there was some movement there. I
think the problem is with with ideology. We want to
not be labeled, but on election that you have to
make a choice, you know, and it's almost always Republican

(01:14:47):
versus Democrats. So you can say you're a moderate. But
if both of the republic you canaida's ten elections in
a row, you're basically a Republican and a conservative. You
just don't want to call yourself that. So I think
there's always this disconnect between how we want to perceive
ourselves we actually do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
We walk into voting booth. Ryan, you said something interesting
a moment ago where you said, there's a difference between
the white Evangelical voter and the white Mormon voter. What
is the difference in your opinion about fifteen points? Okay,
really really really.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Yeah, I mean eighty three percent of wide evangelicals voted
for Donald Trump. I think you can also see some
daylight on other issues that I looked at before. For instance,
why don't you say it tend to be a lot
more moderate on things like immigration modern on religious freedom issues? No,
I think it's being a minority religion, you know. I mean,
you know, Evangelical Christianity dominates the conversation in America, so

(01:15:36):
they kind of their politics come from that dominant position.
The oh thees ils sort of seeing themselves as a
marginal group, and spetistically they are marginal. They're one percent
of America, so I think you see. And interestingly enough,
if you look at data about LDS folks who have
gone on mission, especially overseas, they tend to be way
more pro immigration than other LDS or even evangelicals. So
there there are differences there. I think when I think

(01:15:58):
of the Latter Day Saints, think of right of center,
when I think of why do you even do with
a far right of center politically?

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
So let's go to the younger voters. I like this demographic.
You point out the eighteen to thirty five year old
voters in twenty twenty LDS voters voted for Trump. In
that in that age category of eighteen to thirty five,
thirty one percent stated that he voted for Trump. You
fast forward to twenty twenty four, between the eighteen to
thirty five year old voter demographic, LDS voters fifty six

(01:16:27):
percent for Trump, which is such a such a spike.
Let me ask you, I don't know if this is
a binary choice. Was it the contrast of four years
of a Democrat like Biden in charge that gave them
a better eye of what they wanted in the next term.
Or was it or is it what they lived through
in COVID and maybe what happened during that time that

(01:16:48):
would draw them to get away from that administration. Was
it the administration generally or was it their experience with
COVID that drove such a change within that demographic of
young voters?

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
How may be injured, yet.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
I suspected it might be.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Yeah, I mean it's hard to parse, right, like why
certain voters do certain things. But I mean, if if
you look across the board, Trump basically made inroads in
almost every region of America with almost every demographic group,
whether it be white or non white, college educated, not
colle educated, low income, high income, young voters, older voters.
And I think a lot of it is you know,

(01:17:25):
there was a lot of anti Trump sentiment among the
LDS vote back in twenty sixteen, for instance. You know,
they only a bare minimum voted for him fifty two
percent twenty sixteen. Now he's at sixty six percent. So
I think whatever the reluctance was to vote for Trump
for reasons that I don't think we fully understand yet.
A lot of that reluctance has gone away. And they
saw the Biden administration when the issues with immigration and

(01:17:47):
the issues with inflation and the economy, and they thought, well,
at least with Trump, we know we're getting. Let's let's
at least give that guy another shot. Plus we can
add to the fact with the Biden stuff and the
health stuff and the Harris Late edition and all that.
I just don't think it was a very good election
cycle for Democrats across the board, and especially with young
people who are hurt by inflation. You know, they got
to go buy things, they don't go to college, they

(01:18:08):
don't want to pay more. And I think they're once
to warm up for Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Ryan, you talk about Trump going away, he will go
away in twenty twenty six. He won't be around for
that vote in twenty twenty eight, and even in twenty eight.
I mean, I mean, is it way too early to
see how this shift may change three four years down
the road at this point if Trump is not there
because he's such a unique individual.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Yeah, I mean, and they're to use a bad sports metaphor,
momentum is tomorrow's starting pitcher and I think the Democrats
are sort of in the wilderness right now. But if
they run a really good candidate in twenty twenty eight,
I mean, everything changes, right Who knows what the accounty's
going to look like in twenty with the tariffs and
with international conflicts with Ukraine and just with everything else

(01:18:52):
going on, who knows where we're going to be in
twenty twenty eight. I don't think it's possible. I think
what we're going to see in the twenty twenty six
midterms as the Democrats win back at least one House
of Commerce, because that's just what happens. The out party
always wins seats in the first midterm. So I do
think we're going to see divided government by twenty twenty six,
and Trump's ability to govern is going to be severely
restrict after we see, you know, say, the House being

(01:19:13):
majority Democrat, and then in twenty twenty eight goes away,
and who knows what that election looks like. Maybe Vance
is the I think my money's on Vance being the
presumptive nomen on the Republic inside with the Democratic field
is wide open right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Ryan Burge He is a political scientist at Eastern Illinois
University talking about LDS members shifting to the left. More
coming up it is the Roddy and Greg Show, our
Listen Back Friday segments right here on Talk Radio one
oh five nine can arrest. Here's that being with a
news update. Well, let's continue now with our Listen Back
Friday segments. We had it earlier this week as well.
About Pride Month. It's big, big celebration plan for I

(01:19:47):
believe this weekend in Salt Lake City, a lot of
people will be downtown be part of the parade. But
over time, a lot of major corporations Greg have said,
you know, we're going to be part of this anymore.
They've kind of backed off a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:19:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Yeah, I've always predicted that a lot of this from
corporations was virtue signaling and as long as they could
get a positive social credit score so they could still
have access to banks and whatever else, they were going
to toe the line. They were going to pretend they cared,
but I didn't think they really did. I think that
with the scaling back and the complete withdrawal you're seeing
from Fortune, I'd say one hundred companies and larger is

(01:20:23):
proof of that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah. Well, we talked earlier with This Week with Beth Brillia.
She is a elections correspondent with a federalist about this,
and she wrote an article about don't shop during Pride Month,
and we asked her why she made that suggestion.

Speaker 15 (01:20:36):
Well, you know, if you don't want to see it,
you can't get away from it. But it's everywhere, even
at the checkout counters at mom and pop shops. There's
like little stickers and stuff. So if you don't want
to see it, you know, that's fine, but you can
always look the other way, I suppose. But the thing is,
in a lot of cases, this is the month where

(01:20:56):
they're selling special items and giving money to LGBT related nonprofits. So,
for example, Caribou Coffee is going to donate five thousand
dollars to Rainbow Wardrobe to help people be themselves with

(01:21:17):
clothing that is quote gender affirming, you know, and if
you don't want to support that, then if you buy
coffee there this month, especially if you buy their tumbler
that they're selling, they have a special LGBT tumblr, then
you're going to be donating to their cause. And if

(01:21:38):
you don't want to support that stuff, you can't shop there,
right now, you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Know, Beth, I saw a meme or something that said,
you know, they took away Joe Cammell because they didn't
want kids to be persuaded into smoking. What does Pride
Month mean? If you're showing all this to kids and
you have all this happening, and it's the case, it's
absolutely the case. I mean, if they think that there's
images out there that it appeal to or normalize certain
things that would be harmful for kids, then it's the truth.

(01:22:06):
And they're still doing this with the Pride Month as
prominent as it is. I guess my question is, with
that said, do you see it toning down a little
bit this year with Trump having been elected? Do you
see it slowing down or do you think it's the
same as it's been or is it getting worse.

Speaker 15 (01:22:22):
Now there's been a lot of reviews the LGBT community
has been doing, like online reviews of the products that
have come out for the year, and they're complaining that
things are muted this year, and you know, some of
them believe it's because of Trump. Trump, you know, Trump

(01:22:43):
being in office and things are not as friendly. But
I submit, maybe it's not that things aren't friendly it's
just that we're not really looking in that direction anymore.
Whereas in the previous administration, you know, money and and
a lot of conversation and hiring was very much based
on that was a very trendy business thing to do.

(01:23:03):
But now I think businesses are saying, well, maybe we
should pull back a little bit, because from from the
top down in our country, this is you know, falling
out of favor. So for example, at Target, instead of
the bright, crazy colors that are so much fun, they're
doing a lot of pan and the rainbows are like

(01:23:27):
pin stripes instead of the broad stripes that we're used
to seeing. You know, when you think about a rainbow flag,
there's kind of a certain whiss of of of stripes
that you're used to seeing. Well, now it's like just
pin stripes down maybe the side of a pan jogging
pant or something. So it's a lot more muted. And
my favorite is the theme this year at multiple retailers

(01:23:53):
is to be your authentic self, which is a great
message when you might find it's hurt the eurothentic self.
And it's a great message if you're not spending your
lifetime using hormone altering drugs to lie about your gender.

Speaker 7 (01:24:12):
Beth.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I noticed today I saw a list. What I'm amazed
at the number of sports teams, be it basketball, hockey, baseball,
are all now jumping on this parade with all kinds
of Pride colors and showing their support for the Pride community.
How do you think their fans react to this, Beth.

Speaker 15 (01:24:32):
Well, I think that really buys into the you know,
men and women's sports thing a little bit. And the
thing is, I think a lot of this is pandering
and marketing. I think things like Pride months separate us
as humans, and I don't think the LGBT community wants
to be separated, you know, on a one on one basis.

(01:24:53):
You know, everybody probably knows someone or is related to
someone in that community and we're friends and we love
you each other, and when we don't want to be enemies.
But when we separate a group and say, you know,
you're different, you're special, that kind of it's a separation
that I think a lot of people, even in their

(01:25:13):
own community, don't want. I think it's a lot of
marketing and some money maker, just like Christmases. You know,
in the Christian community, there's Testament gum. You can get
spearmint flavored gum. I don't know if they make it anymore,
but it used to be. There's like a long list
of Jesus junk I used to keep. Well, it's like
minky flavored gum with a Bible verse on it. There

(01:25:35):
was a great money maker testaments. But you don't need
those to be a Christian and you don't need a
rainbow T shirt to be part of that community. If
you want to say I'm different than you, put on
the T shirt. If you want to line the pockets
of these companies, buy the crap. You know, there's Target
is selling Bingo cards with every square is a I

(01:25:59):
don't know if you had been cards on your Bengo
card this year, but you know it's all that's really
geared for kids. You know when pardon they have a
lot of party favors and such, which is very much
a kid thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
So you know, Beth, I've I've always believed that all
these corporations that engage in any of this, this was
all virtue signaling of the most shallow level. I think
they wanted to check a box, they want to get
a good social credit score.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
They didn't really care.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
You're now seeing economists that are coming out without any
hint of politics, saying cautioning retailers that if you get
into this Pride month and you get too out far
out there, you run the risk of offending your your
patrons and it may impact and will impact your bottom line.
So my question is, with those sentiments being expressed, are

(01:26:47):
we seeing the downward trend of this?

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Is this or is this a blip?

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I mean, is this Are we in a time where
we're recoiling but the pendulum will swing back and we'll
get We'll get it like it was before. Or is
this a fad that is seen its last, its best
day behind it.

Speaker 15 (01:27:01):
I think it kind of depends on how sales are
this year and going forward. Sales really plummet this year.

Speaker 9 (01:27:09):
Maybe.

Speaker 15 (01:27:10):
I think the retillers have come out with some really
extra junky things this year because they're trying to scrabble
the line of appeasing the LGBT community with the rainbow
things they imagine they want and the themes they imagine
they want in their shirts and such, while not offending

(01:27:31):
people who don't want to support that kind of thing.
I don't think you can do both and so because
of that, the stuff they're offering to their target audience
is not appealing to their target audience. If they keep
doing that, it's just going to slop.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
All right, That does it for us this week. You
had to come in you want You wanted to dig
me a little bit, didn't you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Well, I wanted to congratulate. You're feeling a little bit
better right now. But folks, you need to know what
I've had to endure this whole week. Every time we
go to a commercial break, he is a super spreader.
This man is aerosoling this entire studio and I am sick.
And not only was it coughing, he evolved into sneezing.
This man was even sneezing. You ever see a sneeze
in slow motion with the slow motion cameras. This man

(01:28:13):
just sneezes and he never covers his mouth. So congratulations,
Rod you are. I think you're back. I don't think
today I didn't feel like I was under siege as
I did this whole week.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
So thank you, and you're full of bologne. That does
such for us tonight. As we say each and every night,
head up, shoulders back, May God bless you and your family,
Thanks ver much for joining us. Remember today is d Day.
Remember those who sacrifice the ultimate on our half eighty
one years ago today. Have a great weekend. Everybody,

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