The Rod and Greg Show: Glenn Beck; Trump-Putin Meeting Reaction; Crime in Washington, D.C.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Love, love, love how this Alaska summit has begun and
it is even at what Trump was. I thought he
went yesterday, but he was on Air Force one this morning.
We've got a clip of it. But I just love
his mindset going in there. I love the imagery. I
love there's just there's a lot to talk about and
they're not even out of the room yet. The game,
there's a lot of talk.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Gamesmanship that's going on in Alaska right now is kind
of It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Really, Yeah, you know, maybe at the five o'clock howur
we ask our listeners that they ever can recall the
kind of imagery in a in a summit like this, Yeah,
before I don't know. I think it's and I think
it is awesome.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, we're talking right now if you're ut aware of it,
of course, the President and Vlad his good friend from Russia,
our meeting right now in Alaska trying to come up.
They're calling it the Alaska Summit. The President wants peace.
The President is saying, I'm sick and tired of hundreds
of thousands of people dying in Ukraine and Russia, and
he's trying to get a peace deal between in Russia

(01:00):
and Ukraine. Not an easy job, but he thinks this
has to be the first step, and he's played hardball.
He says, look, lad, if you don't come to some
sort of agreement, I've got a lot more weapons out
there that I can use against you to force you
to come up with some sort of an agreement.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
And those weapons are financial, they're sanctions, they're not they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
He's not going to go war with them. That was
asked bit.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
But no, there's a there's a lot of things that
can be done, and I just I am just so
curious now to temper the expectations of what could even
happen in this summit. Because you don't have Zelenski there,
you don't have Ukraine in their perspective present at the table.
This is an opportunity for Putin to explain to the
president what their view, what their word, what they think

(01:43):
is the issue and what they are combating and what
they think it is. Trump's there to listen. He's got
Marco Rubier there, he's got Vessent there, he's got he's
got his a team with him. They're going to explain
to him that, well, you know, whatever that is, we
need to cease fire, and we need to see we
need something that we can bring to the table that
Ukraine will accept. So all said, I just need to

(02:06):
know is there a room for a seas he's he's
not there to hammer out the deal.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's not going to get signed today.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
He needs to hear from Putin that I'm open to
a discussion about a ceasefire. If he doesn't get it,
he's going to tell him to go home, and he'll
just handle the press and tell him what didn't happen
on his own.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, like I think he even described as matter of fact,
you've got an audio soundbody that will play here in
a second. But this is the start. He's just trying
to get him to the table, yep, to to see
if there is a process or a plan or a
strategy that they can use to get these two together
and to stop the killing that's taking place in Russian Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
And I got to tell you, so, I woke up
this morning and I'm watching some of the imagery of
you know, the size showing up. It's almost like a
big prize fight. You know, you got your you got
to yourn turage coming. There is a there is a
Russian uh Defense Minister that is arriving to the hotel
and he's got a sport coat on, but he's got
a T shirt on underneath, and it says CCCP and
that is their USSR old school sweatshirt. And what that

(03:08):
what that is supposed to send by way of a message,
is when we were USSR, Ukraine was part of USSR.
And so he's wearing a shirt that represents a country
that no longer exists, but when it did, Ukraine was
part of the USSR. And so when I watched that,
I thought, well, that's not a good first step. He's
coming with the CCP sweatshirt on. But then they meet

(03:31):
at the airport and President Trump is meeting with Putin.
They shake hands on the red carpet. They're walking to
the stage where they're going to be. On the stage,
it says Alaska Summit. And what do you see and
what do you hear?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
It a military flying two D two bomber accompanied by
four other jets just flying over.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Top of the old Putin and Trump said, and then
as they get in the beast, they get in their cars,
they get the little flags for the Russia, the Russian
flags on their their car and the US flags for
the Trump Beast, and there there is a gauntlet just
lined up like a parade of fighter jets and and
and helicopters, the you know, the gun gunner ships, and

(04:10):
they're going to drive right through past every one of
these and it is spot the alpha dog at that airport.
Yeah I did. I spotted him. Ipot him, so that
sweatshirt doesn't bug me anymore.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, I think what was so funny about this. There's
a great headline today in UK Daily, which does a
wonderful job in covering the news of the day. But
the headline ring reads a wing and a glare, because
I mean, he got the wings with the jets flying,
but I think it costs put a caught puttin off guard.
He didn't he didn't know how to react to this.

(04:43):
I mean he looked.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I would I would bet you.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
With his history being in the KGB and and everything
he's been, this is Poone's a tough guy. And that's
what everyone's saying. You know, there's a lot of people
saying he is not truth trustworthy. He's tougher than nails.
He's he's maybe even evil, but he is used to
being the toughest guy in the room, and usually is
the toughest guy in the room. That is not going
on right now. I don't think he I don't know

(05:08):
what he thinks. But the imagery at least of American
might and and who that and who's because he's you know,
Trump is they get on that stage and Trump is
legitimately taller than him.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
He's a bigger guy than Putin.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I don't think that the optics that are going
on right now that that Putin is the alpha dog
right now. I think it's I think it's Trump. But again,
Trump is trying to uh, you know, he's trying to
broke her piece between Ukraine Russia. It's not really like
like I don't know, Khrush Chef and Kennedy, where it
was America that was being threatened. This is a is
a different role that the president is taking. But he's

(05:42):
letting them know, hey, we're no pushovers over here.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, and he is. It's certainly showing that today, especially
with that military display. And you and I were talking,
I don't think I've ever seen a summit between the
world's powers, be it China in the US or Russia
in the US. The old Soviet Union as well, where
America has shown his military strength when they first get together.
I don't recall that. I think I think Trump is saying, Okay, buddy,

(06:09):
remember what we did a few months ago to Iran.
We have the capability. But I don't think he's threatening
military action of any type. He's just saying just a reminder,
this is what we have. What I think he has
in his pocket is economic strength, and right now Russia
is suffered. I mean, Putin's got a lot of problems
at home. They're spending a lot of money on this war.

(06:30):
They're losing tens of thousands of Russians. Their economy is
going nowhere. Like you described him, they're basically an old
gas station. That's what they are, and that's what That's
really all they have. So I think the president, and
he's got a lot of business leaders with him.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
On this, this is actually.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
He's brought some business and I think what he's saying is, look,
glad you stop this and will help you economically. There
could be an investments, there could be companies coming in.
I don't know if that's in strategy, but it may be.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I wouldn't know why you'd business leaders to to or
something like that, if you were not trying to say
everyone can be prosperous. We don't have to kill each other,
we don't have to get to that point. We can
have prosperous nations and not even trust each other for
that matter, but we could do what we can do
business together. Yes, I think that's that's that was his
approach and his Middle East tour. The President's was and
I think that's what's happening here. But I thought that

(07:20):
so this morning when he's taking off, he's in Air
Force one. He's always doing the scrum with the media
just to just to give you a just a peek
into his mindset, because what's what do you think right
before you're going to go meet and do this, because
it's a pretty historic, you know, meeting happening. He was asked,
you know what's going to happen here and what we
are you willing to do if you don't if this
isn't successful.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Let's hear what the president had to say.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
I said earlier this week that Putin would face severe
consequences if you get the sense from him, if he's
not interested.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
What do you mean by that economically severe?

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Yes, it will be very severe. I'm not doing this for.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
My health, Okay, I don't need it.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
I'd like to focus on our country.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
But I'm doing this to save a lot of lot.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Very severe. Yeah. I think here's an example of very severe.
This what I think the President is talking about. India
has been buying oil from Russia. Okay. Trump was not
happy about that, so he imposed this huge tariff on India,
using tariffs as a weapon to tell India, you keep
doing this, you're going to get a tariff. So if

(08:21):
they want to lose that tariff, they've got to stop
buying oil from Russia. And that's going to hurt Russia.
I think that's the kind of stuff he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
And Trump has been so masterful. Where all the Biden
administration was doing was shoveling billions of dollars to Zelensky
to do whatever he was going to do to try
to stop Russia. What Trump has done is come to
find out that the European Union, while they're sending some
money to Ukraine to fight against Russia, they're spending more money,
sending more money to Russia to buy oil and gas.

(08:49):
And Trump's going, no, you're not sending Russia money for
oil and gas. You don't have energy independence, you're going
to come look elsewhere like to us, but you're going
to stop that. So what I think Trump's doing is
already starting to stop some of those cash pipelines of
economic pipelines that they've had which really benefited them and
made no sense with Europe or any or India or

(09:10):
anyone else. So that's already got in play. But what
it's a carrot and a stick. Here's my stick. But
you know what I've got. I've got these business people,
and there's a lot of good that can come if
you want to. If we can just find a ceasefire.
I think that's all he's looking for, is the opening
to entergze.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
The opening. He wants the gate open. I think it's
what he's looking for. If he can get the gate open,
maybe a seats fire that would be wonderful if he
could get that, But he wants the gate open to
a leafs begin this process. Now when we come back,
we'll have more in the Alaska Summon. A great story
that I want to share with you that Brett Baher
shared earlier on Fox News Today about good old Vlad

(09:47):
we'll get to that on a whole lot more and oh,
by the way, later on this hour. Our conversation earlier
today with Glenn Beck. Glenn was here doing his show
from our this studio. As a matter of fact, this morning,
we had a chance to sit down and talk to
Beck about a lot of ish choose and we'll let
you hear what he had to say. That's coming up
this hour right here on the Roden greg Show. We
were getting word out of Alaska right now that the

(10:07):
meeting between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin has
ended and they're waiting for a news conference to begin.
We don't know when, but we'll keep our eye on
that and try and bring you some of that audio
if we can.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know, interesting, that was about a three hour meeting
that was planned originally to be a little shorter. They
had some other things they were going to do, but
a three hour meeting. I let's at least hope that
was getting somewhere right.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I can't read a whole lot into it as well.
I told you about a story that Brett Baird I
was watching Brett Behar shared on Fox News earlier today.
Remember the summit between Reagan and Gorbachev and Reikievic. That
did not go well at all. Remember that's the one
where they just couldn't come to an agreement. Reagan walked away.
You could tell in his face he was kind of
disappointed and a little bit angry, saying with Gorbachev. They

(10:53):
met again several months later. This time they met in
Moscow and that was the time where Reagan and Gorbachev
kind of toured Red Square. Remember that video. Well, Bear
told the story that there was a pedestrian in that
in that crowd that was following the president around, dressed
as a pedestrian, just kind of keeping an eye on things.

(11:16):
That pedestrian was actually a KGB agent and his name
was Vladimir Putin's. That's just a fascinating story. It's about Putin.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's why that guy he's a fox. He's not to
be trusted. He's the he's the alligator that you're on
the back of trying to get a cross. He keeps saying,
all the water is getting deep, Come closer to my
mouth so I can need you. You know this guy
is you don't want to trust him, but I got
to tell you I think there's a lot of different
You said, there's eleven time zones and Rush.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Eleven time zones and Russia is what I've been to
mass I thought it was nine, but it may be eleven.
But it doesn't matter. Nine times zones eleven big enough.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it's he's got a lot going on. If he
if they were as strong as he's been projecting, they
would have taken Uh, they would have taken Ukraine before
Trump got an off, and they didn't. So I do
think that he needs some answers. And I just and
I think that that Trump has arrived as the alpha dog.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Let's see how that rolls out.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Unlike Barack Obama did remember this one.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yes, this is this right here. Yeah, so folks, I
just want to remember, this is March of twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
This is so.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
This is the year that the Trump is or that
Obama is seeking re election. There is a negotiation with
Russia on ballistic missiles and everything else. He's not Obama's
not meeting directly with Vladimir Putin, but he's meeting with Medvedev.
He's like the president, he's the second and he doesn't
know that his mic is hot and he gets caught

(12:39):
saying sending a message to Vladimir Putin kind of back
trying to back channel, but it wasn't back it was
right out.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
We heard it all. Have a listen.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
This is my last lege based place. Yeah, that's not
my election.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
I have more truxtbis, flood trust, disformation to religion of unless.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Tends Republican presidential After my election, I'll have more flexibility.
So this was in March. Obviously Obama felt he could
beat Mitt Romney because that who that's who he ran
against that year. But he basically telling the Russians, hey,
hold off, don't do anything yet. Let me get re
elected then, and I won't. I won't be able to
be elected a third time. So I'll have a lot
more flexibility to do the things that you want us

(13:20):
to do.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And then the Medvedev he says, I will, I will say,
I will convey your information to Vladimir and we support you.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now, if you're running for office, what does flexibility mean.
If it's not something you can campaign on to me,
it means we will be weak, we will cave, we
will give you what you want. My flexibility If I'm
running and I don't want to run, and I don't
want to be unsuccessful. It means that I'm going to
negotiate something with you that would not look well, and
it would not present me in a positive way and

(13:49):
wouldn't pay.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
It would not make me look strong if I did something.
So don't do anything. Let's get through the election. Then
I don't care. He can't run for a third term.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So I keep hearing about you know, the regime media
loves Obama so much. You tell me, you listen to
That's that comment there that he didn't think anyone heard
where He's just like, I'll give you what you need.
I just can't do it while I'm running for reelection,
but you know I'll get there. I'll be flexible. That
is as weak as water. Okay, everyone loves him. Do
you think any words even remotely similar to that are

(14:19):
coming out of the mouth of President Trump today?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
No, not even close, not even close. All Right, we've
got a lot more to get to. Looks like the
Trump Putin news conference about to get underway any time.
But our conversation with Glenn Beck is coming up right
here on The Rodden Greg Show and Talk Radio one
O five to nine KNRS. Trump and putin about a
hold the news conference. Were keeping an eye on that.
It has not started yet. We'll see what transpires, but

(14:43):
right now less good to or interview with Glenn. As
we started, I asked Glenn first of all, his thoughts
that we've got, you know, the mayor oal Race in
New York, and you already have what is going on
in Chicago and Los Angeles with two socialists. His thoughts
in the three major cities in this country being run
by socialists ones, it really scares me.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
Socialist communists is bad enough. The Islamist communist is really terrifying.
You put those two together and it's it's a cocktail
that is not gonna not gonna go down, well, not
gonna go down.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, but the guy in Minnesota, he's got he's got cheerleaders.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
They are.

Speaker 7 (15:24):
They're looking to good looking. That's I mean, it's just
easy to know where you have to live. You can
just got what's the sports team? Well, it's just show
me a picture of the cheerleaders. Nope, not living there.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I mean, yeah, that's actually a pretty good litmus test,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
It really is?

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I the Steelers don't have any cheerleaders, never got never
the Rooney family never bought into the whole.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Cheerleader part of football.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
So from Dallas, so.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
You guys embraced it.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
The world would come to an end if there is
a male cowboy cheerleader. Oh uh, it's not gonna happen. No,
it's not. It's not gonna tex Texas. They're not messing around.
They are not messing around. It's going to happen. I
asked you about the mayors and everything you and we
did too. Have had John Solomon on the show, Yeah,
revealing some amazing ama the question I think everybody has, Glenn,

(16:16):
what's the end result here? What's going to happen here?
Do you think you know?

Speaker 7 (16:20):
I have come to a place where I'm letting the
end result go. Not my job, not my concern. The
Lord has got it under control.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I don't know. I can do my part.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
I can do my part, and then I'm going to
release the rest because it just makes me angry and
bitter and depressed to look at it. So I'm just
my job is to go here it is, look at it, now,
do with what you will on that. I know what
I think we should do and here's what it is.

(16:55):
But whatever America decides, because otherwise, we we're just going
to travel down this road of and you're seeing it.
You're seeing people on our side become very black pilled.
I was listening to a podcast of a friend of
mine who I really respect, and they were talking about
some conspiracy theory, which I actually think is not a theory.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I think it's actually a fact.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
But he said right in the middle of it, you know,
it's like yeah, and we went to the moon and
then moved on, and I was like, wait, wait, wait,
we did go to the moon.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Capricorn one was a movie how it happened.

Speaker 7 (17:33):
You know, let's not let's not throw everything out here.
You know, there are some bad things that are happening,
and there's some things that have to be corrected, but
we can't get so black pilled that we've thrown everything out,
or we'll have nothing left.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I worry about those that think that if I'm and
maybe I'm just being too cynical, but I don't think
there is such a thing as a fair trial in Washington,
d C. In that jurisdiction. I don't you can't even
get if they say you can indict a ham sandwich.
Apparently right now in real time, they're not indicting Democrat
ham sandwiches.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
They're not, They're they're turning those down. So anything that's
going on that is kind of originating from that that jurisdiction.
I just have zero faith that there's going to be
anything that you'll see come from it. But the weight
of information, the transparency that we're seeing there has to
be because it just grows by the day, and they
and they're connected, they're all connected. There has to be
at least the history or the narrative of the country,

(18:27):
a soberness that is caused by just telling the truth
and getting that information out because there's so much of it.
My challenge is, Glenn and you and you do such
a good job of really digesting so much information being
able to share it with listeners, what should we be
of all the things that we're hearing, Because we hear
stuff every day about declassified information?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
What are the like three? What are you watching?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
What are you making sure you know people are paying
attention to of all the declassified information? The Hillary Foundation,
the shift releasing classified information, the russih Russia oaks.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Let me, let me just take all of those as one,
look at that as one. That is one.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
That what all this deep classification is showing as is
there's about twenty people at the top in very big positions.
So that doesn't mean it's only those twenty, but it's
this deep state is not You're not surrounded by the
deep state. They have the top twenty positions and then

(19:27):
a few positions down from them, and they're very powerful,
and everybody else is like, I'm whatever, I'm just doing
my job, you know, and you stay out of it.
And everything that you're seeing is that group of people
all the way back to twenty twenty. I laid it
out on a truck board earlier this week, and I'm
coming back in January and doing a long special that

(19:52):
I think can for the first time really put the
deep state to rest and show and explain it in
a way that everybody will understand. And the Hillary stuff,
the email servers that were stolen, the Bernie Sanders being
toppled by the DNC Russia Gate, all of this, all

(20:12):
of it is one scandal.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Can I just ask one question, is the regime I
called the regime media because you've been a media man,
You've seen behind the curtain is the regime media.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Is it part of the deep state or the useful
idiots of the deep state.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, I think it's part of the deep state.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
And then I think people didn't think of it as
the deep state at the beginning. I think there were
let's put it this way, I think there were those
people who thought because they were trained to think this way.
The progressive idea is experts know best. So here are
the biggest experts, and all of my university experts say this,

(20:51):
and all of the experts in met in government say this,
and I'm hearing it from all my media expert friends
saying the same thing. So we know the people are stupid.
They don't get it. So there's that level of just arrogance. Okay,
But then there's those who know, and that's where you're
finding a lot of them today. All of them now

(21:14):
can no longer claim they didn't know. Now they're all
regime media, because now you have the actual facts and evidence,
and it is it is no matter what you hear
on regime media, it's absolutely one hundred percent solid and provable.
The only thing that is left to question is can

(21:36):
anything be done? Because it was ten years ago, you
know what I mean, And that's that grand conspiracy theory.
And if we cannot route these people out, if they
cannot be at least shamed and run out of the
out of the system, and not go to fancy posts

(21:56):
in you know, some other business of law firm or whatever,
the next regime is going to be much much worse.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
First gotten more of it. Scary thoughts. I know you've
got a limited amount of time, but I did want
to get to one question, Glenn on this. I heard
you on your show today. You had a Christian musician on.
She was delightful by that, she was really good. But
she talked about, you know, expressing yourself and you know,
mentioning God or Jesus in music lyrics and going along
that line. And I thought to myself, are we getting

(22:29):
to the point, Glenn, where we're really starting to see
a separation in this country and maybe in this world
between good and evil? And it's more clearly defined now
and is heading where maybe it just at the beginning
stages of really clearly defining good and evil.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
I think I think, I mean, you guys have seen
that delineation for a while now. I think I think
people who are paying attention and are in touch with
the spirit have seen that delineation over the last ten
years become very very clear. And while it's becoming more clear,
it is also becoming more confusing. I don't know about you, guys.
I think there's well I haven't said this on the

(23:07):
air before. I worry about my own friends and my
own business because times are becoming so confusing. A very
wise man recently said, if you don't have the companionship
of the spirit, you will not be able to survive.
And we're there, and I see good friends taking hard

(23:33):
turns at places and you're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, no, no, don't go that way. You know what
I'm saying. And I think.

Speaker 7 (23:42):
The black and white has become very clear to some
some of our friends who don't have a more eternal
look at things, they're going to start going dark, but
not in the same way that darkness is on the left.
It's the same kind of darkness, it's just on the right.

(24:05):
And but I think that the separation is going to
become more and more clear.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I think that two front war is that maybe war
is overstated, but that two front opposition where we have
our friends people that have you know, we've been cut
from the same class, so we thought, but they're going
a very different direction where there just seems to be
some hostility coming from the left but also from your right,
and there's and so I do think we're in that time.
I think that the good and evils really easy to

(24:32):
talk about is how you do with it, how you
digest that information that's getting messy.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
It's why I you know, I'm I'm making a big
change in my life in January with the with the
Blaze and new venture called the Torch, and and I've
been making these changes on the air, and I'm and
I'm shocked that more people aren't noticing it. And I'm

(24:58):
glad in a way because to me, they're massive changes.
I've said and I mean this. I've said this more
in the last three two to three months than I've
ever said it my whole life combined. And that is,
I don't really know. I don't have I don't have
a clue. I can't I can't pin this one. And

(25:18):
and that's really important that we remain humble because it's
so confusing right now that you don't I don't want
to plant my flag deep into something yet because all
the ground is still shifting, I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is yet.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
So I yeah, I think.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
I think good and evil are becoming more and more clear,
and we're entering an entirely new phase. Next year is
an entirely new phase.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's interesting to sit down with Glenn and kind of
get his thoughts on things. Shows very successful here. It's
one of the top rated shows that we carry and
in the Salt Lake City area one of the most
listened to shows. He takes some interesting They had a
ball today. We got off on the cheerleader thing because
him and Stu and Jason just had a ball talking
about the Minnesota cheerleaders today.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
You know, he he's a deep dude, and I, you know,
I he is deep I and I listened to his
show and I'm like, well that's pretty heavy.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
And then we get together with him and I'm just
right down the rabbit hole. I'm just I'm getting real
deep with him, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
And No, I do think one of the things he
said is that I that I'm observing is I think
good and bad, good and evils easier to spot. There's
some terrible things that are going on that people are
trying to normalize.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
But you are seeing the.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Conservative side as well as the liberal Democrat side kind
of you know, making some of the same maybe different narratives,
but kind of making the same argument.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, all right, Moore, coming up, Trump and Puttin news
conference hasn't started yet. If it does well, was Ryan
bring you some of the audio from that coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk radio one
oh five dying knrs. We're just waiting for the start
of this news conference in Alaska at the Mill Military
Base there on Anchorage. We've been waiting what about twenty
minutes now. The meeting has been over for a little while.

(27:06):
I like you were saying, what are they doing right now? Greg,
You've been in situations like this. Are they just making
sure they're talking points are in sync with each other?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So you get a language barrier first, So you need
to make both sizing to make sure they completely understand
and agree what's going to be conveyed in that press conference.
So they're going to write their notes and what they've
agreed upon. Then they're going to exchange those and look
at them and make sure if it accurately reflects what
they did agree on, and you know what, sometimes they don't. Yeah,

(27:33):
and so there's that's I think that's some of the delay.
But but you got to go through that process. And
I think they're coming up to the podium right now.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Here's President Trump and Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
To our negotiations have been held in the constructive atmosphere
of mutual respect, very zoro negotiations. I would like to say,
once again, my American to part the proposal to travel out.

Speaker 9 (28:02):
Here to the last.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
It only makes sense that we've met here because our
country that separated by the ocean, close neighbors. So when
we've met, when I came out of the plane and
I've said, good afternoon, deuring neighbor, very good to see
you and to see you live, I think that is

(28:30):
very neighborly. I think that's some kind words that we
can save to each other. We're separated by the Straits,
bearing though there are two islands only between the Russian
island and the US island, they are only four kilometers apart.

Speaker 9 (28:47):
We're close neighbors.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
And fact.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
That the last has to do with our common heritage
and common history between Russia and the US and many
positive have to do with that territory. Still there is
tremendous cultural heritage back from the Russian America, for example,
Orthodox churches and a lot of more than seven hundred
geographical names of Russian origin.

Speaker 9 (29:12):
During the Second World.

Speaker 8 (29:13):
War, it was here in Alaska that was the origin
of the legendary air bridge for the supply of military
aircraft and other equipment under the land LEAs program. It
was dangerous and treacherous over the fast emptiness of ice. However,
the pilots of both countries did everything to bring claps

(29:33):
to the victory. They reached their lives and they gave
it all for the common victory. I was just in
the city of Magadon in Russia, and there was a
memorial there dedicated to the Russian and the US pilots.
And there are two flags, the US flag and the
Russian flag. And I know that here as well, there
is such a memorial. There is a military burial place

(29:55):
several kilometers away from here. The Soviet pilots that buried there,
who died during that dangerous mission. We're thankful to the
citizens and the government US for careful taking care of
their memory.

Speaker 9 (30:07):
I think that's very worthy and noble.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
We'll always remember other historical examples when O our countries
defeated common enemies together in the spirit of battle, camaraderie
and awship that supported each other, facilitated each other. I'm
sure that this heritage will help us rebuild and fostering
mutually beneficial and equal tize.

Speaker 9 (30:28):
At this new stage, even during the hardest conditions. You
know that they have been.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
Summits between Russia and the US for four years, and
that's a long time. This time was very hard for
bioledal relations and let's be friends, they fall into them
to the lowest points since the Cold War.

Speaker 9 (30:50):
I think that's not benefiting our countries and the world
as a whole. Apparent.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
Sooner or later we had to amend the situation to
move on from the confrontations to dialog, and in this
case a personal meeting between the hands of state has
been longed over the naturally under the condition of serious
and painstaking working. Then this work has been done. In general,
me and President Trump have very good direct content. We've

(31:18):
spoken multiple times. We spoke frankly on the phone, and
a special envoy of the present, mister Wick, have traveled
out to Russia several times. Our advisors and heads of
foreign ministries kept in touch all the time, and you
know fully well that one of the central issues was

(31:41):
the situation around Ukraine. We see the strive of the
administration and President Trump personally to help facilitate the resolution
of the Ukrainian conflict, and his strive to get to
the crux of the matter to understand this history is precious.
As I've said, the situation in Ukraine has to do
with fundble threats to our security. Would always considered the

(32:04):
Ukrainian nation, and I've said it multiple times, a broaderly nation,
how strange it may sound, in these conditions, we have
the same roots and everything that's happening is a tragedy
for us and terrible wounds. Therefore, the country is sincerely
interested in putting an end to it. At the same time,
we're convinced in order to to make settlement lasting and

(32:30):
long term, we need to eliminate all the primary roots,
the primary causes of that conflict, and we've said it
multiple times, to consider all legitimate concerns of Russia and
to reinstate a just balance security in Europe and in
the world. On the whole and agree with President Trump
as he has said today that naturally the security of

(32:51):
Ukraine should be insured as well.

Speaker 9 (32:53):
Naturally, we're prepared to.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
Work on that.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
I would like to hope that the agreement that we've
reached together will help us bring closer to that goal
and will pave the path towards peace in Ukraine. We
expect that Kiev and European capitals will perceive that constructively
and that they won't throw a ranch in the works.
It will not make any attempts to use some backroom
dealers to conduct propications to torpedo.

Speaker 9 (33:19):
The nascent progress.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
Just incidentally, when a new administration came to power, BI
ledal trades Sorady to grow. It's still very symbolic. Still
we have the growth of twenty percent. As I've said,
we have a lot of dimensions for a joint work.
It's clear that the US and Russian.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
You're listening to live coverage of the news conference right
down between President Trump and Russian President of Vladimir Puddin
in Anchorage, Alaska on talk radio one oh five nine
kay an Ars. We continue now with that news conference.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
In space exploration, we see that our corporation is also
very possible and our international context, for example between the
for east of Russia and the west coast of the US. Overall,
it's very important for our countries to turn the page
to go back to cooperation. It is symbolic that not

(34:15):
far away from here the border between Russian and the US,
there is a so called international dateline. I think you
can step over literally from yesterday into tomorrow, and I
hope that will succeed in that. In political sphere, I
would like to thank President Trump for our joint work,

(34:37):
for the well wishing and trustworthy tone of our conversation.
It's important in both sides our results oriented, and we
see that the President of the US has a very
clear idea of what he would like to achieve. He
sincerely cares about prosperity of his nation, still understands that
Russia has its own national interests. I expect that today's

(34:59):
agreement will be there starting point not only for the
solution of the Ukrainian issue, but also will help us
bring back businesslike and pragmatic relations between Russia and the US.
And in the end, I would like to add one
more thing. I'd like to remind you that in twenty
twenty two. During the last contact with the previous administration,

(35:19):
I tried to convince my previous American colleague should not
the situation should not be brought to the point of
no return when it would come to hostilities. And I
said it quite directly back then. That's a big mistake
President Trump today when President Trump saying that if he

(35:42):
was the president back then, there will be no war,
and I'm quite sure that it would indeed be, so
I can confirm.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
That the film.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
I think that overall, me and President Trump have built
a very good, businesslike and trustworthy contact and every reason
to believe that moving down this path, we can come
to the end of the conflict in Ukraine. Thank you,

(36:11):
thank you well, Thank you very.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Much, mister President. That was very profound, and I will
say that I believe we had a very productive meeting.
There were many many points that we agreed on. Most
of them, I would say, a couple of big ones
that we haven't quite gotten there, but we've made some headway.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
So there's no deal until there's a deal.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
I will call up NATO in a little while, I
will call up the various people that I think are appropriate,
and of course call up presidents Olynsky and tell them
about today's meeting.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
It's ultimately up to them.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
I have to agree with what Marco and Steve and
some of the great people from the Trump administration who've
come here, Scott and John Ratcliffe, thank you very much.
But we have some of our really great leaders. They've
been doing a phenomenal job. We also have some tremendous
Russian business representatives here, and I think you know, everybody

(37:14):
wants to deal with us. We've become the hottest country
anywhere in the world at a very short period of time,
and we look forward to that. We look forward to
dealing We're going to try and get this over with.
We really made some great progress today. I've always had
a fantastic relationship with President Putin. With Vladimir we had

(37:36):
many many tough meetings, good meetings. We were interfered with
by the Russia Russia Russia hoax. That made it a
little bit tougher to deal with, but he understood it.
I think he's probably seen things like that during the
course of his career. He's seen it all. But we

(37:56):
had to put up with the Russia Russia Russia hoax.
He knew it was a so I know it was
a hoax, but what was done was very criminal. But
it made it harder for us to deal as a
country in terms of the business and all of the
things that would like to have dealt with.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
But we'll have a good chance when this is over.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
So just to put it very quickly, I'm going to
start making a few phone calls and tell them what happened.
But we had an extremely productive meeting and many points
were agreed to.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
There are just a very few that are left.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Some are not that significant, one is probably the most significant.
But we have a very good chance of getting there.
We didn't get there, but we have a very good
chance of getting there. I would like to thank President
Putin is his entire team, whose faces, who I know
in many cases otherwise other than that, whose faces I
get to see you all the time in the newspapers.

(38:50):
You're you're almost as famous as the boss, but especially
this one right over here. But we had some good
meetings over the years, right productive meetings over the years,
and we hope to have that in the future.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
But let's see the most productive one right now. We're
going to stop.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Really five six, seven thousand, thousands of people a week
from being killed and President Putin wants to see that
as much as I do. So again, mister President, I'd
like to thank you very much, and we'll speak to
you very soon and probably see.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
You again very soon. Thank you very much, Vladimir next
time in Moscow. Oh that's an interesting one. I'll get
a little heat on that one, but I could see
it possibly happening. Thank you very much, Latimer, and thank
you all.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
All right, that is the end of the news conference
between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Will break down what
they had to say. We're still trying to figure it
out ourselves, I think, Greg, we'll break that after we
take this break right here on Utah's Talk radio one
O five nine knrs. Following a what about a three
hour meeting today that took place in Anchorage, Alaska, the

(39:57):
president is seeking peace between Ukraine and Russia, ending the
killing and the war there. This was the first step
today and they're calling it exceptional, they're calling it constructive.
But we don't have a lot of details as of yet. Greig,
there were you know, they didn't get into too many details.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
There were any no so there was the you know,
I thought that you know, President Putin spoke a lot longer,
and he was trying to establish this were neighbors. I'm
glad he came to Alaska because we are neighbors, and
we fought in World War Two together, and there's memorials
with Russian flags and American flags, and there's a that
we there's a lot that we should be working on together.

(40:36):
My takeaway was this, he stated. Putin stated that and
that he believed that if Trump had been president there
were things that he was concerned about in twenty two
that he reached out to the prior president that they
were not able to resolve that he thought would have
been important. I think one of the barriers because one
of the things that President Trump said he would need
to do from here is to call the allies called NATO.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yep, and.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
But he said, actually the Allies are now first, and
then he said so see. But I will say this,
it would make sense to me if one of the
conditions that Putin and Russia are asking for is that
that Ukraine not be a NATO nation because that's right
on their border.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
They he does not want that.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Uh, That's that is a commitment that Trump would not
be able to make today. That's one those would intuitively
require him to talk to the NATO nations and say, look,
but you know, if you go back before the invasion
even happened, before this war even began. There was an
editorial by a former ambassador to Russia for Under Trump
and our former governor John Huntsman Junior, where he said

(41:40):
that just the requirements, your GDP, your size of your country,
the things that you're required to qualify as a NATO nation,
Ukraine did not meet those standards or did not meet it.
So he was saying, it's it's silly that they're even
talking about the prospects that Ukraine could become a NATO ally.
And I think that's that's the tension that I think
that Putin is trying to He's not even commit to

(42:02):
anything until he knows he doesn't have NATO right up
against his border there and if you look at Crimea,
they have they have a sub base there. He's not
I don't think that they're going to give up the area,
the area of Ukraine that they took under President Obama's
watch when Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State Crimea.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I would be very surprised if that's on the table
in terms of it being turned over to Ukraine. No,
I don't see it either, but I think so I
and I think that's a strategic spot as well, because
it's because of its naval base and all that, or
submarine base. But anyway, I do think that there's a
lot They wouldn't be talking about having a second meeting
if there wasn't some just some ground rules that that

(42:41):
Russia wants to see what NATO will say, what Zelensky
will say. But and I think he talked about the
economic opportunities too. So we're just we're just trying to
read the tea leaves. There was nothing specific that was
committed to, not a ceasefire. I think we thought, at
least that was what Trump was saying. I won't I'm
here for a seat, I'm here for people to stop dying.

(43:01):
He mentioned it a little bit at the end, but
nothing definitely.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
You know, again speculation, But I think I think Trump
he's a negotiator, he's a deal maker, right. He wanted
to sit down now, and they've had a few conversations
on the phone, I think, over time, but never a
face to face, one on one meeting. Now you had
aids there, of course, like Rubio and others were there.
But I think I think Trump wanted a meeting today,

(43:27):
face to face, so it could kind of get a
read on this guy. That would be my guest, get
a read on this guy. And he did say we
agreed to some points, but many of the major points,
we've got a ways to go. But we've taken a
step in that direction. And if nothing else, I think
that's what Trump wanted to achieve, was to kind of
get a lay of the land with this guy, face

(43:48):
to face with him, so he could kind of understand
where this guy is coming from before he moves on
to Selinsky and Zelensky. And I agree, he's got to
call NATO. I mean, I don't know what Putin wants.
Maybe it written in stone or written in steel, or
whatever the case may be, to you know, say, Ukraine

(44:08):
will never join NATO. And that's that's one of the
big things that he won. So maybe we'll get more
on this. We've got more to say. We need to
take a break, We've got more to say and see
where we go from here. It is the Rotten Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
kN rs here listening to Utah's Talk Radio, one of
five nine knrs everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. We we
interrupted our program our regular programming so that we could
bring you live the press conference with Russia's President Putin
and President Trump announcing what they what agreements they came
to after a three hour negotiation. Not a lot of

(44:44):
specificity after all that time, so your guess is as
good as mine.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
We did go over a.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Little bit what we suspect some of those touch points
might be, but without them really rattling them off, we
don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
It was interesting to know. Putin went first. He took
a little bit longer than President Trump did. Certainly he
was reading from notes. Trump was not.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
So just to put it very quickly, I'm going to
start making a few phone calls and tell him what happened.
But we had an extremely productive meeting and many points
were agreed to, and there are just a very few
that are left. Some are not that significant, one is
probably the most significant. But we have a very good

(45:28):
chance of getting there. We didn't get there, but we
have a very good chance of getting.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
There's President Trump. Just a second ago, someone just pointed
there's a lot of analysis going on right now. But
someone just pointed out Mike Pompeo, we're listening to him
during the break, was pointed out on the fact that
this was an attempt or his take on this is,
this is an attempt by Vladimir Putin to kind of

(45:53):
snuggle up to Trump a little bit. And you know,
because I think most people feel that Donald Trump right
now in all of this, because of the strength of
his presidency, has the upper hand on this and on Putin,
and Putin knows, you know, if Trump comes after him economically,
his economy is already not in very good shape, and
if Trump comes after him economically, it will get a

(46:16):
whole lot worse. So he's trying to snuggle up I
think a little bit.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
That's it, Donald Trump, and that is not the state
of play. Prior to President Trump's presidency, you had China
that had a much stronger play globally in trade. You
had the countries that were meeting to maybe look at
what the you know, right now, the US dollar is
the standard. There was there was a play to look
to change that, and and Trump came out and said,

(46:39):
don't you dare He's been renegotiating those trade deals. At
the same time, China's been reaching out to those same
nations saying, let's forget America, let's us do it. They've
chosen European Union. They they're all choosing the Middle East
or choosing America. Okay, that has the effect of isolating
Russia even more. That's that is a new development, I say,
in terms of the strength of the United States negotiating power.

(47:02):
So I do think he's trying to warm up to Trump.
He's trying to be very complimentary. But Trump's I mean,
he's not gonna get sure. You're not gonna You're not gonna,
you know, kiss up to him and get him that way.
I mean, he's I I really do believe that the
one thing he said, because if you took everything that
was said, it's a good meeting. We're gonna get We're
gonna make progress, We're gonna do all these things. Some
issues are small, there's one big one. But I think
we can get there. I'm gonna I if I were

(47:25):
a betting man, I would tell you it's this NATO issue.
Is Ukraine going to enter the you know, the North
American Trade Organization treaty? Organization or NATO or are they
going to stay out? There's there if you look at
how you become a NATO nation. Ukraine does not have
the GDP. They don't they don't actually qualify. But there
are many that are worried about the expansion or the

(47:47):
aggression of Russia that thought it was a good defense
to have. And this all started after Trump left office
about putting Ukraine into NATO. I think that's his that's
his line in the sand, and I think that that
Putin doesn't really want to talk about a whole lot
more until he knows that's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, And from from Ukraine's point of view, if NATO
will accept them and they become a member, if they
are attacked in the future, all of Europe and the
United States are obligated to go defend them. And that's
what he is looking for. That's what scares Putin. Oh yeah,
he doesn't want that to happen.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
And if you little Sky, you're like, well, why you know,
if you don't plan to attack us ever again, why
would you care?

Speaker 5 (48:26):
You know?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
But what they care about, what he would at least
argue is for.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
The same reason you wouldn't want us up right up
against your border not knowing what we're going to do.
We don't know what you're going to do to us,
and that's why we want that buffer. But look, there's
a good trade relationship with the United States and Ukraine
right now. I know that the President is going there
with some incentives on stronger economies and maybe diversified economy

(48:51):
for Russia. All that makes sense. But at the end
of the day, I think they have another meeting and
they're not going to be able to have it until
Trump has been able to speak with NATO leaders and Zelensky.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to what he has
to say there. I think he's got to, you know,
kind of share with him. The president you heard him
say in that sound by we just care. We made
some progress on some point. Other points we aren't there yet.
We aren't sure what those points are on. The President
is going to sit down with Sean Hannity on his
television show tonight and do a one on one interview.

(49:22):
I don't know if Hannity will be able to get
anything more out of the President right now. Maybe not.
Maybe between now and then he will be able to
get on the phone with some NATO leaders, say here's
what we talked about, here's where the agreements lie right now.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
And here's the other thing.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
When they're standing short or shoulder, there's a not as
much color, not as much room for color commentary. Yeah, okay,
once they're kind of, you know, in their opposite corners,
they can all go back to their respective media and
paint it anyway they want. And then I think that's
where some of the more you're gonna get some candor.
I mean, Putin can tell the Russian media whatever he wants,
but I think Sean Handy's interview will actually give us

(49:59):
a better insight into what the issues are.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
I do know this.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
If Putin just said I'm not stopping, I'm just he
wouldn't have been on that boat, would have been there.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
I know.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
The one thing that Putin did agree to was he
will entertain and he is ready to negotiate a ceasefire
in a way to stop this war. If he didn't,
Trump had already imagined a scenario where there would have
just been one podium on that stage, and he would
have sent Putin out, and he was just going to
say we're done, We're done. Here, I'm not going to
talk to him again.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
This was not a Reikievic leg meeting that Reagan and gorbachawfa.
Now they didn't walk away, they kind of it felt
like to me they were kind of walking on eggshells
a little bit, and they didn't want to say a
whole lot. They wanted. You know, the term that the
Russian media has used so far is exceptional meeting. Well,
that's the message that Putin needs to get to his people,

(50:50):
to say, no economic punishment as of yet, we we
you know, the medium went well, so you can rest
for a little bit. And I think that's what Putin
needs to say to his people right now.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Well, in order to say face, in order to not
lose the confidence of his country. They've taken on a lot.
There's way more casualties than I think they ever imagine.
That that war has been prolonged longer than they thought
it would when they did this.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And the Russian people aren't happy from what we understand now.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
And so they're so I do think that he has
to put a you know, a good face on this,
and I think even that it really does play in
the in the president's favor in terms of getting a
deal done here. But you know Zelenski and Ukraine, there's
going to be some parts that are probably not what
they would ideally want. But I don't think I personally
never understood how they could justify putting Ukraine into NATO

(51:37):
when they don't qualify the basic conditions to be in
NATO nation.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
All Right, we've got a lot more to get too.
It is a Friday afternoon, Thank Rod and Greg is
Friday on Utah's talk radio one oh five nine k
n RS.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
So it's a we're kind of in flux. You know,
we didn't know what to expect.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I love the pageantry of the beginning of this, uh,
this Russia, you know, the Alaska Summit. I thought the
show of strength by the United States, the B two,
you know, stealth bomber flying over with the jets, and
then in the drive where you had the jets and
the helicopters, the you know, the gunships they had to
drive you know, it was like an alleyway or gauntlet

(52:16):
they had to drive through. I think that's why probably
President Putin said I'd like you to come to Moscow
this time, because I think he's got some planes he'd
like to fly over as a hello to the president.
I think he'd love to return that favor. I say,
just go across the bearing straight to the same spot there,
and you didn't come to d C. President doesn't go
to Moscow. Just go right over the over the bearing straight.

(52:36):
Try out there.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Couple a couple of observations that people are making greg
that are interesting now you've got all these political pundits
out there. One which was kind of interesting, I thought
someone pointed out that when you know Donald Trump is
a riverboat gambler, he's not afraid to take high risks. Yeah,
but when the stakes are high, he tends to be calmer.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
M h.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
He wasn't very long in his remarks today, much shorter,
so I think he knows, you know, there's some high
stakes involved in here, and he's still maybe trying to
figure out exactly where he wants to go with this.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, someone said that you could see he's still moving
in the gears.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Gears are turning, you know. The other thing that is
just coming out now. He mentioned or he mentions there
were some agreements made or they made progress on agreements.
Could that be business agreements? Remember there are a lot
of sanctions against Russia right now for the invasion of
the Ukraine, the US imposed them, and maybe he's willing

(53:36):
to open up those doors a little bit more to
Russia on an economic front, and maybe that's some of
the agreements that they reach. I don't know that for sure,
but maybe that's what he's talking about that you know,
Putin needs to get his economy back online from everything
you read, and maybe the president saying, help you out
a little bit here if you come with me.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
So one of the another one of the the you
know commentors said that the way the Russians tactic usually
is they have very specific negotiated negotiation conditions negotiation, you know,
points that they want reached or or agreed upon, but
what you want from them they like to keep very vague,

(54:18):
and they like to keep that vague. Well in that
if you were to look at that as a formula,
I think that that the reason why you can't get
much further in terms of ceasefires, in terms of economic
conditions or economic opportunities, or even the lifting of sanctions
is I think that that what Putin is probably what
they negotiated, is we have to know that NATO is

(54:40):
not going to put Ukraine into the or Ukraine cannot
be a member of NATO. If that is the case,
then we've got all kinds of things to talk about,
but we've got nothing to talk about until we know
that that's the case. And that is just that is
one point that the president cannot negotiate for and on
behalf of NATO. It's why I think when he said
I got to go back and talk to NATO leaders,

(55:00):
I got to talk to and then he said Zelenski
third actually actor who he needs to talk to.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I think this whole thing is boiling down.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
And if you go back to prior to the worst starting,
that was one of the biggest I mean, we had
even our own former diplomat John Huntsman saying in an
op ed, saying this idea that Ukraine should be in NATO.
It's inflaming this situation unnecessarily because they really don't fit
into that NATO, you know, and they don't qualify as
a country, their size, everything else. It's not like they

(55:30):
were a part of NATO and he wants them out.
I think that that should be something that it would
be wise to say, Okay, we're not going to do that.
But if the United States wants to provide security and
economic opportunity. There's just ways you can words spet.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Another point that was made, and you know, and it
was pretty obvious, because there's no doubt that Putin is
trying to snuggle up to Trump. And I really think
here's what it was he said during I'll read you
what he said in the conclusion of his remarks. That's
latter Putin he said in the end, I would like
to have one more thing. I would like to remind

(56:04):
you that in twenty twenty two, during the last contact
with the previous administration, I tried to convince my previous
American colleagues that the situation should not be brought to
the point of no return when it would come to hostilities.
He said. I said it quite directly back then that
it's a mistake today when President Trump is saying that

(56:27):
if he were the president back then, there would be
no war, I'm quite sure that it would indeed be.
So now, what has Trump said all along? If I
would have been president, this war never would have happened.
And that's exactly what Putin is saying today. You know,
you know, he doesn't gain anything by slamming Biden. He

(56:48):
but he does gain things. He does gain points with
Trump by saying, I do agree with you. If you
would have been president, there may not have been a war.
He's snuggling up and he needs to.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah, does and I so it'll be interesting. I think,
I I I was I thought that if Trump was,
I mean, he had made that he called this shot.
He said that if we can't get a ceasefire, I
don't know what we're else. We're here to talk about.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
I mean, we need that.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
That needs to be just kind of a bottom line
foundational premise. And I don't think that's the foundational premise
they're leaving with right now. Yeah, so, I you know,
I think that there's obviously a lot of discussions that
have to happen. But we'll see, We'll see what I mean,
it's we always knew. The second meeting is the hardest one.
The first one was just to say, is boot putin?

(57:34):
Are you just gonna are you just gonna go to war?
And that's that's all you're interested in. You just want
to take that whole country over if that's where you
want to be.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
We're done here. There's nothing left to talk about. They
got better than that.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
But what what How much better is the question? How
much better is the question? All Right, more coming up
the Rod and Greig Show here on Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Okay, n R s all kinds of
treatment that this meeting today between President Trump and President
Putin Today, the media, some the legacy media or what
you'd like to refer to him as the regime media

(58:05):
saying the President didn't get the deal he wanted and
he appeared to be angry. Yea quiet angry is what
some people are saying. There was a report I just
saw some social media posting that, you know, the people
are saying, well, the President appeared to be angry with Putin.
Well there's some video of them shaking hands at the

(58:26):
end and walking away with smiles on their faces. As
Putin was getting ready to leave to go back to
Russia and Trump is getting ready to leave to go
back to Washington, but first has the interview with Sean
Hannity that he'll be doing. So I think, you know,
you can read all kinds of things into this. Well,
you know, obviously, I think the President is going to
work for yet another meeting. Obviously, this maybe reached agreement

(58:51):
on some points, but not everything. So we'll have to
wait and see. Greg. We'll see what goes on here.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
If I'm playing prognosticator, if I'm predicting what happened, I
think I think Putin is very smart, and I think
that they were. They came into that negotiation knowing that
if they made the entrance into NATO the lynch pin issue,
they knew for fact that Trump was not in a
position to negotiate, that he would not be able to
make that assurance or that agreements that could that would be,

(59:18):
you know, a foundational premise to then move on from
to the other things, the territory, the sanctions, the economic opportunities,
you name it.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
If or the ceasefire, and I think that what Trump
walked in there hoping to do is say, look, let's
just get to the ceasefire and everything else you're talking about.
Is we're going to just hammer that out in the
second meeting, And they did not. As far as I
could tell, there is there is no agreement to a ceasefire.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
No, no, no. And I'm watching live right now video
in Anchorage where Vladimir Putin is boarding. I don't know
what they called it. They don't called Air Force one.
But he's boarding the official plane of the president and
about to leave. And I think President Trump will be
leaving Orte. Anybody believe he hasn't sit down and interview
to do with Sean Hannity, which will air on Handity
Show tonight before he leaves.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So I we're hearing that this was a summit that
was cut short. I thought that after the three hour
of negotiation was longer than they had planned. There had
been some hopefully some planned discussion with maybe business leaders
or something, but that didn't happen. But I thought the
three hour negotiation was longer than planned. Yeah, So I'm
I don't know if that's been cut short or not.

(01:00:27):
I mean, if they just couldn't fundamentally agree on a
baseline to move from, then I could see why talking
to business leaders really there was no point to it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
We'll see, we will see where this goes next. The
next meeting is going to be very difficult. But I
just don't I don't find the entrance into NATO is.
I know Lindsay Graham wants that. I know we got
some warmongers, and I know John Bolton wants that. You know,
in DC, these guys want war. But I don't know

(01:00:59):
that that's it. That being a member of NATO has
to be part of it. And I think that that
if they agree to that, then they can talk about
the rest.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Some are saying today that this was pure performative. The
favorite word that everybody is now. I think performative will
be the word of the year by the way of
Trump again, just performing. I think Donald Trump when he
says he doesn't like seeing people thousands of people killed
each and every day, I think it really touches them.
And I think he is trying to bring peace to

(01:01:28):
that region. So did he make progress today? We don't
know that yet because we don't have details. He said
there were some agreements, may you know, but there are
much the bigger issues are still out there. And you know,
you aren't going to bring this war to end overnight.
It's just not going to happen. It's going to take
some very difficult negotiations and then some very difficult decisions

(01:01:50):
on both sides.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah, and in your own remember what he said on
the way there. I don't need this, you know, I'm
not doing this for my health, you know, I'd rather
focus on our country and the challenges we have. He's
trying to broker this, but it's not Ukraine is not
on our continent. Uh, they take you know, we're putting
in three hundred billion euro opinions, put in a hundred billion.

(01:02:11):
You know, they need the United States to be you know,
a broker and a leader on this. But at the
end of the day, if if if NATO wants to
go one way, and Trump thinks that's too high of
a price to pay, then good luck NATO, good luck Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
One thing that was a chief today, I think, Greg,
what's that? Vladimir Putin got a first hand look at
a B one bomber.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I know, I thought, I thought, I thought that was
a pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Good when it started. He got a real close up
look what that little old plane is all about, and
probably never wants to see them in Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
No, No, I think that was good. Look a message.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I thought that I read somewhere that only JFK would
have even dawned on him to Democrat presidence would have
even thought to have that kind of imagery as they
were getting together.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
All right, when we come back our number three, we'll
talk with some people who have lived in Washington and
experienced the crime in Washington. That's coming up as the
Roddick Greg Show roll along right here on Talk Radio
one O five to nine. Dan r s a lot
of focus this week, of course, on the efforts to
clean up the nation's capital. Donald Trump on Monday, of

(01:03:20):
course held that news conference. You've got the National Guard
in there now trying to clean up things. But we
thought for the final hour of the show today we'd
kind of personalize it a little bit and talk to
people who have lived in DC and who have dealt
with violence there, Greg, because that's the real story it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
And it's we've just had too many conflicting narratives, and
certainly the elites and the and the regime media does
they just want to pretend it's just like, you know,
there's no to mostly peaceful protest as the building behind
them burns.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
This is that equivalence.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is
Isaac Shure. He is the editor of Media Ete. He
lived in Washington and had to deal with violence on
him and he's joining us on our Newsmaker line right now. Isaac,
thanks for joining us. Tell us what happened?

Speaker 10 (01:04:03):
Yes, absolutely, I was driving back. I was driving back
to my apartment one day. I'd just gone to the
grocery store. I was about to take a left turn
into my apartment building's parking lot. I stopped at a
red light.

Speaker 11 (01:04:20):
No one was driving by me.

Speaker 10 (01:04:21):
It wasn't a windy day, and all of a sudden,
I'm sitting there kind of zoning out it's red light.
I hear this unbelievably loud crack. My ears start ringing,
and I look over and there's what looks to be
a wound from a bullet in my in my windshield.
So foolishly I jumped out of the car. My fight

(01:04:43):
or flight got going pretty quick there. I jumped out
of the car, My car started to roll forward, so
then I dove back into the car, took a left
on red, pulled into my parking lot. You know, immediately
called nine to one one, but the cobs didn't show
up for thirty minutes, even though I actually lived across

(01:05:05):
the street from a police station. So as you might
be able to imagine, I had a pretty uh. I
was watching prisonent Trump's press conference earlier this week. With
great interest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Let me ask you Isaac, How did you know it was?

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
It was?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
It was a bullet? I mean, could it have been
a rock? How did you How were you able to
discern very quickly that you'd been shot at or somebody
had shot something and it hit your windshield?

Speaker 10 (01:05:30):
Well, first of all, it was just the fact that
my ears were ringing for about two and a half
hours afterwards. Wow, So that was kind of the giveaway.
And then you know, when the police did arrive, I
you know, I pointed it out to them, I said,
what do you think? You know, I part of a
big part of me wanted to believe it wasn't that obviously,

(01:05:50):
but they kind of indicated to me. You know, we
can't say for sure, but it does look that way.
So between the between their expert opinion and my experience
and you know it, it's kind of one of those
things where when you're in the moment, you kind of
instantly know what's happening. You have you know what I mean,
I have no reason to think that other than the

(01:06:11):
fact that my ears were ringing for hours afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
One section of the city. Did this take place in, Isaac?
And what time of day did it take place in?

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:06:21):
It was probably about four pm, I want to say.
And it's kind of this stretch. It's right by the
waterfront metro area, which is kind of in between the wharf,
which is kind of a newer, very well developed area
Navy Yard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yes. Yes, and about four o'clock in the afternoon, you
were just going to the grocery store and coming home
and that's when it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:06:44):
I was coming back with my trader Joe's haul and
and that's when I got that unpleasant surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Did as you talk to police, did you know were
they going to look into it? I mean, did they
have any idea what may have happened? Were they going
to investigate what has resulted as a result of this? Isaac, Well,
this was maybe.

Speaker 10 (01:07:06):
The craziest part. You know, I kind of got their opinion.
You know, they thought it was well, they couldn't they
can't say for sure. But then you know, they I
asked them what we do from here, and they told
me that, you know, I could go around to the
local you know, businesses and buildings, and I could ask

(01:07:29):
them for security footage. They said that all they were
going to do was record it, which, of course, you know,
we've kind of found out come to find out that
there are some problems with recording crime statistics in Washington, DC.
But you know, they said they were going to you know,
put it in their system, but you know, all the
investigation was going to be left to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Isaac. Do you feel you were targeted or is this
just a stray bullet coming from somewhere? Any any thoughts
on that? I mean, what do you after you go
through an experience like this, You're thinking, Okay, what really
happened here?

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:08:01):
Yeah, I mean I I highly doubt that I was targeted.
I'm sure it was just it honestly probably had nothing
to do with me. I doubt they were even whatever
it was that they were even aiming at my car.
But I mean that's just kind of how it is
in DC. You know, you if you spend any significant
amount of time in our capital, you know you're going

(01:08:23):
to come across a crime scene at some point. I mean,
it is, it has been this way for many years,
and that's why it's just, honestly so staggering to see
the response. You know, you might quibble with the exact
way Donald Trump is responding to this crisis. I think,
you know, we could we could argue over that, but

(01:08:44):
it's really staggering to watch these people go on TV
and say, you know, crime is at a thirty year low,
and absolutely no one who has lived there at any
point in the last five years would say that Washington,
d C. Is a safe place, much less safer than ever.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Chuck Schumer, of course, has perfectly put it that he
feels perfectly safe walking around DC. Would most people in
d C agree with him? Isaac, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 10 (01:09:12):
Maybe if I had maybe if I had a security detail,
maybe maybe that would be the case. But no, I
think Chuck might be. Maybe he and a few of
his friends might feel that way, but I don't think
your average DC resident would concur at all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
A right final question for you, Isaac, I really do
appreciate you sharing your story. With everything that's gone on
since the President held that news conference on Monday, How
would you describe the mood of the city right now?
National guard there, how would you describe things right now?

Speaker 10 (01:09:43):
Well, it seems interesting. I actually no longer live in DC.
I moved short. I moved. You can imagine why. But
I mean, from what I can tell, it's interesting because
all you hear from everyone in the media is how
terrible this is. And you know, I'm sure a lot
of DC residents disagree. DC is the most democratic city

(01:10:03):
in the country. But that being said, you know, there's
a reason that the mayor and the police commissioner and
a lot of officials aren't pushing back all that hard
against the president. And that's because, no matter what you
think the right solution is, it is absurd to suggest
there's not a problem. So I think that's gonna be
It's gonna be really interesting over the next month to see,

(01:10:26):
you know, where public opinion, especially in the district goes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
On our newsmaker line. That's Isaac Shore, editor of Media,
sharing his story. Coming up, Greg, We've got another story
someone who's lived in Washington for a long time and
it's seen the degradation of that city.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Well that story alone, Lady and gentlemen of the jury
arrest my case. But we've got more.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
We've got more, all right, more coming up the Rod
and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh five nine
can arrest Taylor Hathorne. She is a visiting fellow with
the Independent Women's Center for American Safety and Security. She
has also lived in Washington. She's joining us on the
new Newsmaker line right now to share her story. Tell
us what you think of what is taking place in
Washington now and some of the experiences you've had, Taylor,

(01:11:08):
I actually think that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:09):
The mood of the city is pretty positive. People are
excited about the change that's coming. They're excited to be
able to walk with their families on the street. They're
excited to go to dinner late at night and feel
a stronger sense of safety and security. So I think
overall the vibe is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
What changes have you seen in the city since your
time there?

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
So, I unfortunately had the benefit or misfortune, whichever way
you look at it, of living here during COVID, so
I have a completely different perspective. But the city during
that time crime was out of control. I saw a
Molotov cocktail thrown into a car next to mine while
I was sitting on the balcony. There were riots, there
were destruction of property, Businesses had to be boarded up.

(01:11:51):
It was really bad for quite some time, and it
has been getting better over the last couple of years.
But better does not mean good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah, are there certain sections of the city that people
don't go into. Are there certain sections that are safer?
How would you describe the area there and what people
need to look out for.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
Yeah, I think that that's one of the saddest parts
about DC is that it really reflects the fact that
some of it has some of the most safe and
secure sections of the country. By the capital down on
Washington Monument near the White House, it is safe. It
is secure, you can go there with your families. You
have absolutely nothing to be afraid of because of the
great work that our law enforcement officers and secret servicemen

(01:12:33):
and women do. But the unfortunate reality is that that
is only a very small part of the city, and
I think most DC residents will agree that by and large,
it is not safe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
As you have talked to DC residents when they say
it's not safe, can you explain that a little bit further?
What exactly do they mean it's not safe?

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
So a lot of people right now inside of the
city are using this as an opportunity to say that
crime is not that bad. But there was a Washington
Post survey that was done in twenty twenty four that
shows that about sixty five percent of DC residence actually
believe that crime and violent crime is a major issue
in DC. And with ninety five percent of DC voters

(01:13:15):
the or DC residents being registered voters, and ninety four
percent of those voters being Democrats, I think that that
shows that everyone that's living up there knows that the
crime is an issue, knows that homelessness is bad, knows
that truancy in the schools is bad. There are a
lot of things that are going on in the city
that are absolutely unacceptable for our nation's capital and the
gateway to America.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Well, if they know that crime is bad, are they
upset because crime is bad and Donald Trump is trying
to do something about it because it's Trump? Is that
is that is what upsetting people? Do you think, Taylor?

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
You know, I hate to say it, but I think
it's true. I think if you've got a survey done
by the Washington Post in twenty twenty four that says
that sixty five percent of residents agree that it's bad
and it needs to be addressed, You've got the DC
Police commissioner saying it's bad. You have the Mayor of
DC herself saying, yeah, we know, it's not great. I
think that that just indicates that maybe this is another

(01:14:11):
one of those Trump derangement syndrome things where people really
just don't want him to be right. And I think
that every American deserves to feel safe and secure in
the city that they live in. And I think that
what the President and this administration are doing is a
really good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
I mean, but can it be solved in what he
say He's got thirty days to do something here. He
may have to extend whatever he has, executive order, whatever
it is. I mean, can this issue of crime be
solved in thirty days?

Speaker 6 (01:14:40):
I think it's a bigger issue than thirty days. I
think it's going to take a lot of work with
our local law enforcement officers. I think it's going to
take some partnership with the local mayor and some of
the government to make sure that these changes that go
into effect are long lasting changes that have positive impacts
on the city. And I think that right now there's

(01:15:01):
about eight hundred National guardsmen and women that are deployed
that are assisting with law enforcement efforts to kind of
clean up the city. But I think it's going to
take a little bit more efforts than the thirty days.
But we'll see what the President decides after we see
how things are improving. Then, you know, I think one
of the things that hasn't really been talked about as

(01:15:22):
much with the crime in DC is the homelessness in
the city and really how bad the homeless encampments are.
DC is actually one of seventeen cities in the country
total that have more than five thousand people on any
given knights that are that are homeless. And that's it's
kind of crazy for a city with a population of
just over seven hundred thousand and Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Do you see homeless people everywhere in the city? Are
they everywhere? Do they concentrate in one area? Are they
all over the place?

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
It's pretty rampant all over the city, and it's bad.
You know, I have a lot of empathy for people
that are living their lives like that. I'm not a
person who's just like, oh, well, you need to suck
it up, like I think their lives are hard. I
think that there's a lot of mental health issues there.
I believe over forty percent of people who are homeless
to have mental health issues, and I think that that

(01:16:13):
is something that should be addressed. But to know the
Press Secretary's credit and to the Trump administration's credit. They
have said that they are working with them on making
sure they're getting into treatment programs and making sure that
they have safe and secure housing and that they are
not just picked up and ripped out. They're trying to
really work on making sustained and long impaths on the

(01:16:33):
city so that DC is somewhere that people can come
and visit with their families. I mean, we have so
many free museums, so many fun things and educational things
for people to do. And I want people to feel
safe to come to this city and to understand how
their government works for them and to see what their
tax dollars are doing instead of just having the drain

(01:16:53):
the swant mentality. And I believe that this is going
to help with that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, it is a great city. The one thing that
I haven't heard a lot of discussion about Taylor, and
I'd love to get your thoughts on that, and that's
juvenile crime. The amount the number of juveniles their ages
who are involved in some of these criminal acts like
car you know, hijacking a car, stealing a car, breaking
into you know, raiding various businesses and basically wiping them out.

(01:17:17):
I mean, how much discussion is being talked about when
it comes to juvenile crime, not not even nearly enough.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
I believe that I read a statistic yesterday that juveniles
accounted for fifty one percent of all robbery arrests in
twenty twenty four in DC, and over sixty percent of
car jackings were done by juveniles. Where are their parents?
Why aren't they in school? And I grew up with
two parents as educators who dealt with truancy issues all

(01:17:45):
the time. And I was actually talking to my mom
about this the other day. The two so truancy in
DC in public schools, students who miss more than two
weeks a year went up by one hundred and ten
percent INBC in the last decades. That is not a
single thing that the school board should be proud of.
That is not a single thing that the mayor should

(01:18:07):
be proud of. Those kids need to be in school
and where truancy is occurring, those situations need to be investigated,
and they're not being investigated.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
On our newsmaker line, Taylor Hathorne, she's visiting fellow with
the Independent Women's Center for American Safety and Security. When
we come back, it is our Listen Back Friday segments
right here on the Rowden Greg Show and Talk Radio
one five nine kay NRS.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
It was hard to choose, but I think we've landed
on some pretty good listen back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah. One of the issues, of course, school has either
started or is about to start here in the state
of Utah, and Utah is not alone in dealing with
chronic absenteeism, and now the state is trying to do
something about it. We had a chance earlier this week
to talk to Molly Hart, she is the new Utah
State Superintendent of Public Instruction, about a new plan they
have in place to track chronic absenteeism. And we asked

(01:18:57):
Molly about how do you see school districts dealing with
absenteeism as we go forward?

Speaker 11 (01:19:03):
Well, in a variety of ways, And you know, it's
it's a careful balance, right, So you don't want to
you want to get students back in class in class,
you know, having the experience with the teacher face to
face is obviously.

Speaker 9 (01:19:24):
The ideal.

Speaker 11 (01:19:26):
But students miss for a variety of reasons, and we
try to do the best in education we can do
to help them keep up and provide support and provide
makeup work and work after school. So it's a it's
a careful balance. We'd sure like to see those kids

(01:19:47):
in school every day for the one hundred and eighty
days that they they're scheduled to be in school. So,
you know, we we we try to educate parents, we
try to educate students. There's there's challenges and competitions and
and just making sure that school has activities and is

(01:20:12):
welcoming to students. Each community has has tried, you know,
ways that are unique to their communities, and we're just
trying to lend a hand statewide with some clear messaging,
some common language, and some opportunities to really just send

(01:20:33):
home the message that that we want students in our schools.
We can't teach them if they're not there, and we
just want them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
There, Superintendent, I mean, I would think one of the
issues here is to convince parents, of course, to make
sure their children get to school. How do you how
do you get that message to mom and dad saying
they need to be here, it's important to do that.
I mean, how do you get that message to them?

Speaker 11 (01:20:57):
Well, you just keep keep sending at home and and
you bring them into the school. You show them what
we're doing. We are as transparent as possible about what's
happening in the classroom. Uh. You you show them what
they're you know what what happens when students miss instruction. Uh,

(01:21:21):
you know, it has long term effects. It's it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:21:26):
When a student falls behind, especially in the early grades,
it is so hard to catch them up. And and
you know there's a window for that. It is optimal
to teach students how to read and and and basic
numerical practices, and and we really need to take advantage

(01:21:50):
of those early years. It gets so much harder. And
then in the high school years, we're we're helping students
prepare for the workforce. And money tell you, our workforce
partners want graduates who show up to work and want
students who can work with people to solve problems. So
we try to connect it to the consequences. But at

(01:22:13):
the end of the day, you know, it's a parent's choice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
You know you speak of how critical it is early on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
I remember that if a child was not reading at
grade level by third grade, they'd spend the rest of
their time in special education with an individual education plan
if they didn't get to that proficiency by third grade.
Let me ask you this I not that every note
of all such family households look like mine, But my
mother was a single mother, so the supervision might have
been a lot less. Do you see You see that

(01:22:41):
absenteeism with students might be coming from the makeup of
a family where the supervision might not be as close,
or parents actually dismissing the importance of attending school. Is
there a percentage that we're talking about here with kids?

Speaker 11 (01:22:55):
I wish that it was easy to narrow that down.
We are at twenty three point eight percent of students
are chronically absent, and it runs the gamut of students that,
like you say, don't have the supervision all the way

(01:23:17):
to students are taking a trip to the southern hemisphere
where the weather is good during our school months. So
I wish it was targeted so that we could target
our resources and really just take care of the problem.

(01:23:37):
But there's many factors that go into this. We also,
you know, this rate has doubled since the pandemic, and
it's because we've made there's been a shift in society.
Work can be done from a lot of different locations,
and so there's a lot of factors that play here.

(01:23:59):
But at the end, of the day interactions between humans
and something as as unique and complex as as teaching
a student something like reading skills or math skills, or

(01:24:19):
the ability to create communicate and create clear arguments and
those types of things they require face to face human interaction.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Do you see a did you did this trend? This trend,
this absenteesm trend begin before COVID and did COVID just
throw some fuel on the fire?

Speaker 11 (01:24:44):
That's is so many things have changed, that's really hard
to say. What we do know is it doubled so
since COVID, so twelve point two before COVID. That that's
not good, of course, but it's not the worst thing

(01:25:07):
in the world. I really think it's not just the pandemic,
but it's the result of the result of the pandemic.

Speaker 5 (01:25:17):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:25:18):
You know, some laws were changed about what is considered
an absence, and you know you used to have to
justify absences, and that law was changed so you could
you could just say my child was absence. Yeah, you
didn't have to give any sort of justification, and so

(01:25:39):
that made it, you know, that chipped away at the
at the level of seriousness, I suppose. So I would
say that I would never say that it wasn't an
issue before the pandemic. We are always concerned about students
that don't show up to school, But to have twenty

(01:26:01):
nearly twenty four percent of our students and to have
it cross grade levels and cross differing economic statuses, that
that is pretty remarkable, not in a good way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Well, this all sounds daunting and tough. My last question, superintendent,
and again, you've got enough on your plate.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
It sounds like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
I had thought I came across some information that even
teacher absenteeism is different today post COVID than it might
have been pre COVID. Are you, as superintendent public schools
in Utah, are you experiencing any of that absenteeism among
your educators as you're trying to grapple with these other issues.

Speaker 11 (01:26:44):
Sure, the education, yes, we are seeing a trend that
mirrors the rest of the workforce where our adults are
absent as well. We don't track that as as clearly.
The data is not as as clear. Like there are

(01:27:04):
teachers that are gone from schools on say they also
coach and they're accompanying the teams to a sporting event.
There's professional development. So when you talk about teacher absences.
There's a lot of reasons that a teacher is absent

(01:27:26):
from a classroom, so that requires more study. It did
come out in some when we were looking into absenteeism,
and it's something that we're investigating a little closer, but
we don't you know, a teacher being a teacher is
going to be hard pressed, you know, to say I'm

(01:27:49):
not going to accompany the debate team to an all
day tournament, you know, and it be fair to call
that an absence from work.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah. A final question from me, superintendent, how do you
define chronic absenteeism? I mean, if you've got a student
skipping occasionally, is that chronic absenteeism? Is it on a
regular basis? How do you define it?

Speaker 11 (01:28:13):
Absolutely? It means missing ten percent or more of the
school year. Would share in Utah's about eighteen days or
nearly a month of instruction for any reason, excused or unexcused.
So it's got a definition in It's not tarties. We're
talking about not showing up to school for the day.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
On our Newsmaker line, Molly Hart, the Superintendent of Public
Instruction here for this state of Utah. More coming up
on talk Radio one oh five nine kN arrests eighteen percent.
You know, and people around the country are all trying
to deal with homelessness in their communities. We had a
chance to talk with an organization, the leader of an
organization that I'm so impressed with. I know you've dealt
with them as well. The other side Academy, and Joseph Grennie,

(01:28:57):
who is chair of the Academy, wrote it up ed
piece along with others involved in the Academy about how
to address chronic homelessness here in Utah, and I asked
them if there are simple things that can be done
to address chronic homelessness here in Utah.

Speaker 12 (01:29:11):
Absolutely. The problem is the system is broken. We don't
have bad people in the system. We've got great providers,
great people with good intentions. But the problem is that
the system is designed the equivalent as if you were
to go out and buy a car, where you had
to buy the bumper and the carburetor and the seats
and everything else and try to put it together yourself
at home. The typical homeless person has to interact with

(01:29:34):
a dizzying array of specialist service providers that don't really
solve the full problem.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
What we need is super providers.

Speaker 12 (01:29:41):
What we need is for the state to stop funding
people that make bumpers and carburetors and seats. We need
to have the states say we are only going to
work with super providers that take somebody all the way
from the street to PSDC. PSDC is important, permanently housed,
self reliant, drug free, in crime free. That's the outcome

(01:30:02):
individuals who are on the street whose lives is a
mess wants.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
That's what the state wants.

Speaker 12 (01:30:07):
That's what the community wants, is for people to get
out of these awful circumstances to PSDC. And what we
don't have is providers that do that whole job. And
so what we've got right now is lots of providers
that can claim success, that can say I'm doing a
great job providing a warming shelter or handing out meals
or offering mental health services.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
And they are.

Speaker 12 (01:30:26):
They're doing a splendid job of that, but it's not
coming together to create the outcome we want. We need
to stop funding specialist service providers and start saying only
super providers who are going to take responsibility for that
whole arc of change is where the money needs to go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
That's how markets work.

Speaker 12 (01:30:44):
Markets work when people are responsible for the whole solution,
not just their little part.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Yea, Joseph, This analogy of buying car parts instead of
the car is so it just for me that I've
been part of this, but it just makes so much
sense because I think when the person that whoever's paying
the bill, if who they're paying, is not the person
that's receiving the care, then there's perverse incentives along the way.
You actually need people to need a warming station. If
you're going to be good at having a warming station,

(01:31:10):
you need And so maybe talk about how some of
these providers, with the best of intentions may be perpetuating
the very problem because their lane is so strict. They
only know how to do what they do, but they
need people in front of them to perform that service.
How does that actually get so far away from those
in need.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Yeah, that's exactly the case.

Speaker 12 (01:31:31):
And as you say, most markets work because the customer
demands complete results. But the problem when you have a
different payer and a different customer, when those two roles
are split, is the market never corrects. So what we've
got right now is people on the streets that need
that full range of support to get to PSDC. But
what we've got is somebody else paying for it. And

(01:31:52):
so when a provider has to decide do I pay
attention to the customer or to the payer. Guess who
they're going to pay attention to. They pay attention to
the payer, and the pair keep sending signals that say,
we like what you're doing. Keep doing it, Keep doing it,
keep doing it. I can tell you at the other
side village where we're working with people that are coming
off the streets and trying to lead them through that
whole path that so many times when they tell us

(01:32:14):
their past story, they describe I was no longer billable.
It's a pathetic, awful thing. They were no longer billable.
So I just finished a rehab. I knew I was
shooting meth on the street, and I knew I didn't
want that in my life if I wanted to improve things.
So I got to a rehab because the government would
pay for the rehab, and I got sober. I was
sober for sixty days, and then I left that program

(01:32:35):
and I'm back on the street again because I'm no
longer billable. That's what happens when you have a system
that's filled with specialist providers rather than super providers, rather
than people that actually solve the PSDC problem permanently. How
self reliant, drug free and crime free. Nobody ought to
be receiving any compensation or any government support unless they're

(01:32:56):
taking somebody in that entire journey. That's the car we're after.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
We're talking with Joseph Grenny. He is chairman of the
board at the other side of Academy. Joseph this concept
of too many chefs in the kitchen, because obviously that's
what's going on right now. But this isn't a problem
isolated just to Utah or Salt Lake City. It's happening
all around the country, isn't it when it comes to
homelessness and trying to deal with it. Yeah, that's how
it works.

Speaker 12 (01:33:20):
And the way you know you have a system problem
is you put more money in and get no better results.
You see that in California, in Oregon, in Washington, in
New York City and everywhere because we have the same problem.
The market doesn't get fixed because there's a separate payer
and a separate customer, and so the provider has to
decide who to pay attention to. They tend to pay

(01:33:40):
the attention to the payer, and we keep in government
perpetuating and the donor community too, perpetuating.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
This disaggregated, this dizzying system.

Speaker 12 (01:33:50):
You imagine the typical homeless person that has to try
to figure out all these agencies and where to go
get a piece of this and a piece of this
and a piece of this. Well, when your life is
that broken, you can't manage that, and so the system
is broken, and that's why we continue to put in
more resources.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
And not get better results.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Real quickly, you have three solutions. You fund that the
whole problem.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Complete transparency, just real quickly, because we're coming up on
a break. Provide motivational accountability, talk about the role of
public safety for those that find themselves homeless, but also
just the public at large. How does that play a
part in getting someone back on their feet.

Speaker 12 (01:34:27):
Yeah, and you named all three of them, right. So
first we need to pay for just full results. Second,
we need transparency. So every provider ought to have on
the front page of their website a posting that says
what percentage of the people that they took off the
streets made it to PSDC. We do that and it'll
be transformational. The ones who are ineffective will go out
of business. The ones who are effective will start to

(01:34:48):
get more resources. That's how you fix a market. And
then finally, there has to be motivational accountability. If I'm
on the street and my life is a mess, I
usually get stuck in this self defeating trap. The only
way we art escaping traps is when the pain of
not changing exceeds the pain of changing. Because changing is hard,
and so people being arrested when they violate the law,

(01:35:09):
and if that means that I lose all the stuff
I've got because I was taken to detention, that's one
of the consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Me being miserable on the street is part of what
can motivate me to change. And so I'm not saying
we ought to be heartless.

Speaker 12 (01:35:21):
We do not let people die, but we ought not
to be thinking about how to fluff up their life
on the street because that's not where we want them.
We need accountability because that motivates change.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Boy, I tell you what, Greg, that's some straightforward, some
simple approaches to solve this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
I've been around this area of public policy for a decade,
and I'm going to tell you what Joseph just laid
out in this holistic you got to see someone does
a whole thing, build you the whole car. I've never
heard that analogy, and it is one hundred percent right.
Everything I see go wrong in the space is because
they are so siloed in their work and there's gross
disincentives or incentives that have nothing to do with the individual.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
So that's why I want to hear this. Listen back.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
This is a good one, straightforward, all right. That does
it for us tonight, as we say each and every night,
head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your
family in this great country. Barrens, mister Hughes, have a
good weekend. I will as well. We'll talk to you
on Monday. We'll talk to all of you on Monday.
Be safe out there.

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