The Rod and Greg Show: How Remote Work Changed Working Moms; Crime in Chicago

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have some family with you. You showed the highlights
of San Diego.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I did mostly of Coronado, but yeah, Sandie a little
bit of San Diego. But I like Coronado. It's like
a little Mayberry right there. You go over that, you
go over that large cause by that bridge, and you
go into a whole new place. That's because you know what,
the Navy just it's a lot bigger than you think,
and so all the I mean, it just drives the
economy there, so that I think the US military, the

(00:24):
Navy keeps that community well grounded. It's it's not like
the rest of California out there that Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
It was nice.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's really not an island, apparently it is.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
If you keep going south, you don't run into water.
You keep going till you hit I five. So it's
not an island, even though that's what they call it.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's what they call it. And I sent you an
article all over the weekend. Yeah, that was really good
Wall Street Journal talking about how they're bringing Coronado would
used to be a swanky hip place to go, trying
to bring it back to all they.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thought it got a little stale, got a little olds
run around I actually like the quiet nature of it.
I don't. I hope it doesn't get too crowded and
too hipster. Only the hipsters coming.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Out, the hipsters coming. Yeah, but you're a hipster.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
No way, I'm not a hipster. Are you kidding? Nice
you to think of me that way? You must think
I'm a young gun. I think you kind of hip No, man,
I'm not. I've been I've been told by my nephews.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
What you're not hip?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Oh I get told that by my kids all the time. Dad,
you're getting old.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well my kids, they I rolled me, but I expect that.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah, well you do it from good. I had
nice weekend, went up to Swiss States. Swiss State's always
fun to go to. I like Swiss Days.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
We've we've been talking for you. Didn't you mentioned I
thought you golf this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I did golf a couple of times and played horribly.
Swiss Days is but Swiss Stage was tucked in between that.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, you never mentioned that they do.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Such a nice job up there, and it's that area
growing up there.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It talked about, Oh, that's an area that might get
too big for its bridges too.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, there are a lot of really expensive homes going
in up there, and on the way on Highway forty
on your way to h Hebrew City and midway from
Park City, they are a couple of gigantic hotels going
up there.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, there are. You know, there's a lot of money poor.
An end of that country is changing.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
That is well, it's good to be with you today.
We've got a lot to talk to you about. Today.
We'll talk about remote work and how it changed for
working moms. We'll talk about redistricting Greg again. Utah's redistricting
plan getting national attention again. I saw several articles in
national publications over the weekend about how Utah all of
a sudden, has become kind of a state to watch

(02:27):
come to midterm elections and redistricting.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Will be the only red state I think where we're
getting rung. We're getting run around by the leftists. I mean,
if you saw Jerry Nadler's announced his retirement, if you
saw this guy's district, it looks like a lego thing.
I don't even know what it's supposed to look like,
but it doesn't look like a district. You look at
our maps, Our maps don't look anything like the jerrymandered
out of this world district of Jerry Nadler. Butach by

(02:51):
the way that he still can't hold onto. He's retiring
because the people aren't going to vote for him. Yeah,
So you know, for all the jerrymandering that they talk about,
even that one, that's a disgrace. The people aren't going
to vote for him, and he's out.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah. And the jerry mandarine in Illinois, I mean you
look at some of those maps, you go, what on
earth is that?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah? What do they call those tests? Rochus? What are
those test where they show the ink plots and and
whatever you see?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's it's like that something like that.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
We don't have those kind of districts here, but we
got leftists that are they're basically eliminating the districts. The
legislature drew and they have to bring brand new ones
to a judge for this for her approval. That's that's
always good, Yeah, I mean, that's always that always works.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, it was a great weekend, great college football weekend. Yes,
why you both looked looked really good. Utes in one
pole number twenty five, b hy you and another pole
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And the poles where they're listed. The other the other
school's not listed at all, which I find funny.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
They are like that. Okay, can't just say one thing.
I understand what the kids doing. But the new quarterback
down at b YU, why is he wearing number forty seven?
I don't know, because that's that's not a quarterback number.
I think it's well, I know it's Trump. Maybe. I
wonder if he has figured that out.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I don't know, but I'm going with that until someone
tells me otherwise.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think he's paying homage to his father.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think I think it's I think it's a father.
I think it's Trump. Forty seven, forty seventh.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I didn't even pick up on that. There's a story
which developed forty seventh President YU quarterback endorses Trump.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yep, that's it, and that's why he's wearing forty. That
would be very on brand for me, at least for me,
that would be. So I'm going to take.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
It like him even more because if they tell me it's.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Not true, I'll say, don't lie, fake news. I know
it's true my gut. That's your forty seven, absolutely forty seven.
That's because because present number forty seven, he's the President
right now.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think it's actually doing it because father wore that
number on.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
His Dad is not Trump, so that's not true. It's
the president.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
You're sticking to your argument that the BYU quarterback is
worring number forty seven because he's a Trump support.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's right, that's right, that's what he is.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
He's that's gonna play.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
B Why you great again? Baby, let's go.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
We're ready, all right, welcome to the show. We've got
a lot to talk to to you, abou today. We'll
talk about the moms, we'll talk about the redistrict team.
We're going to talk about you know, you know a
lot of people argue that we need illegal aliens because
they'll do jobs that Americans won't do.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I hate it's most condescen It is not true. As slaves,
remember that, remember the South whole thing. Why you had
to have you know, Ken Cabala, Sarah Slavery, who's going
to do all the work?

Speaker 1 (05:21):
The work?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah no, that doesn't fly.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, not true. So we've got a lot to get
to today. As always, we invite you to be a
part of the program. Always good to talk to our
great listeners. Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey, Rod, all right, let's talk about Chicago. Fifty
four people.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Shot fifty seven I think.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Fifty seven, now, fifty seven shot fifty four shot seven
killed in Chicago over the weekend. Yet but the governor
and the mayor still say the city is great and
making progress and it's safe.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
You know, you got to hand it to President Trump
there anything. I mean, he should just come out and
support of apple pie so Democrats can say it's the
most disgusting pie they've ever eaten, because they wouldn't be
able to support it. So he talks about public safety,
and I think he is trolling. I really do think
he's trolling Pritzker and the governor or, the mayor of
Chicago saying I need to bring in the National Guard

(06:18):
because you guys, people are dying every night, and it
makes them have to come out and say nothing to
see her folks move along. Yeah, so much to the
point where it becomes it's not even laughable because it's
so sad. But you know, seven people killed over this
holiday week and fifty plus people injured by gun by gunshot.
And so every time Pritzker, the governor, says this is

(06:40):
a manufactured crisis, he's saying that those fifty plus people
don't that's that is that equates to a manufacturing a
crisis When the rest of our large cities combined haven't
seen that kind of islands over the last the same weekend,
it makes him look absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Well, I think we would all agree, Craig, and you
and I have talked about this is black on black violence.
It is and apparently they don't care or they don't
see it. Well, you see, folks, when the killing fields
are in that neighborhood, Yeah, we don't have to worry.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
And you don't have to worry a thing that neighborhood
over there. That's what they's That's why they don't care.
The Democrats don't care. They really don't. I really don't
think they do. I don't. I think when he says
it's a manufactured crisis, he doesn't find those numbers coming
out of those communities to trouble him at all at all.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yet you talk to a lot of people in Chicago
and they would like to see a safer city. Now,
this is now Pritzker and Johnson been going around the
city last couple of days campaigning say no problem here,
everything's just fine. Numbers are coming down, you know, and
it's really not what this is all about. List of
this Alderman from Chicago. He was asked on CNN, I

(07:46):
believe today what should be done or what could be
done about the violence in Chicago. Let's do his answer carefully.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, I think that what we need to be doing.
What we need to do is that we also had
in my shooting in a Catholicate school, we also have
had many, many instances where the administration has really escalated,
exacerbated the violence in our in our in our country,
in our in our cities. Trump is a dictator. I

(08:12):
think we've got to be very clear. He's trying to
normalize violence. He's trying to normalize military deployment in American
cities like La d C, Chicago and many others to come.
But what we have not seen is really a systemic
investment that will actually address the core issues that had
shootings in my ward. One of them was a tragic
shooting of an an house, a neighbor. So the Trump

(08:35):
ad ininustration is saying that they're going to address the
issue of our house residents by putting in jails in
concentration camps.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
There are a couple of things I want to say
about this. First of all, this effort to tie the
Minnesota trend shooting to the violence going on in Chicago.
I don't see a connection, do.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
You, Greg, There isn't one. There isn't one you can find.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
And then calling Trump a dictator, obviously picking up on
the key talking points the Democrats all used for ten
years right now, right, and then we need to address
the issues with community based programs. Haven't they been trying
to do that in Chicago for how long? And nothing
seems to have worked?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I mean it means I start, it's starting to
I think some Democrats who have a little little a
slightly higher level of self awareness and that would I
think of like a Bill Maher or even Scarborough. Scarborough's
he interviewed the mayor last week and he kept drilling
him saying, Hey, we're going to do all the stuff
you want to do, all the programs. Let's I'm not
taking away any of it. Do you need more cops?

(09:33):
Would it be better to have more people on the
on the street for that, and he ate like seven
or eight times he would he refused to say yes
to that.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, and here's Scarborough this morning talking about what he
thinks the governor of Illinois should do.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
I actually think that JB. Pritzker should do something radical.
I think you should pick up the phone, call the
President and say, you know, and I know, you don't
have the constitutional authority to deploy the National Guard here
and the police might might be you can do that
in DC, you can't do that in Chicago. But let's
partner up. These are the most dangerous parts of my state.

(10:09):
We would love to figure out how to have a
partnership that's constitutional, that respects the sort of balance of
federalism between the federal government and the state government, and
let's work together to save lives.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oooh, Joe is not making many friends among the Democrats
suggesting someone work with Donald Trump. No, he's not.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
You know what, they ought to listen to him because
what he's saying is true, because here's what used to happen.
I mean, when you saw the Rodney King riots in
ninety was that ninety one ninety two Bill Bradley was
the mayor of la They reached out to then. I
think it was her was Herbert Walker Bush, then the president.
There wasn't there wasn't partisan, it was it was lawlessness,

(10:54):
it was writing. They needed help and they coordinated together.
So it's only recently that became where the governor would say, no,
thank you for the help. I guarantee you if they
if from want to come to Utah and help us
with our cartel activity, drug activity, illegal immigration, we we
would work with him.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
We sure would. All right, more coming up. It is
the Tuesday afternoon edition of the Rod and Gregg Joe.
Great to be with you here on Utah's Talk Radio
one O five nine knrs. The dangers of a failing
birth rate in this country and really around in Europe
as well, and really around the world. I mean, we
just aren't having babies the way we used to. And
there's what they call the replacement factor or something like that. Yep,

(11:32):
where you have and then the Financial Times over the
weekend Steve Moore had this in his morning newsletter today
have discovered that birth rates are above replacement level that's
what it's called fertility for those who self identify as conservatives,
and way below replacement levels for those who identify as progressive.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Sounds like divine intervention to me, I don't know that,
sounds like it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
You like that?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, what about working moms in the world of working moms?
Why would a challenges is for working moms and the
things they do? But you know, apparently remote work may
have changed the way working moms are maybe not working
outside the home anymore. Joining us on our Newsmaker line
to talk more about that is Tim Geiglin. He is
vice president of External and Government Relations with focus on

(12:18):
the Family. Tim, how are you welcome to the Rodding
Greg Show. Thanks for joining us, Timanks, Thank.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
You, gentlemen, it's so great to be with you. Thanks
for having me on.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, Tim, talk about how remote work has changed working moms.
What have you seen that is happening right now?

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Well, I think it's fair to say that a very
funny thing happened that two people, particularly mothers, when they
started to return to the office after the years of COVID,
related their remote work. In fact, a significant segment of
moms who had been working remotely decided they would rather

(12:54):
stay home. They would rather be America's moms at home.
And I think what is very important to know is
that according to a brand new University of Kansas survey,
and by the way, it was conducted primarily by a
former principal economist that the American Census Bureau. It was

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conducted in January of this year. The survey found that
the percentage of women in that age group working outside
the home had been seventy percent and just six months
later dropped to almost sixty five percent. So those percentages
are moving in a direction that confirms, especially with mothers

(13:40):
of young children, they would rather be at home than
in the office.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
So I love this story. I'm so glad that you
wrote it because what it reminds me of is this.
It's a different topic, but it's the power, I think
the innateness of being a mom, and that is that
if a mother sees for someone that's pregnant, is able
to see a sonogram and see the child, there's something
that comes that happens inside them where they don't want
to have an abortion any longer if they can see
that child. If you just fast forward and someone has

(14:07):
a child but they're working, if they have the opportunity
not to work because they but they're at home and
they've been working because of COVID nineteen. At home, being
present in their children's lives becomes the priority when they
experience that. My mother was a single mother, my grandmother
was a single mother. They worked very, very hard in
their lives and very strong. Nobody me, No one of

(14:29):
our family remembers what my mother or grandmother did for work.
We all remember their contributions to our family. Speak to
the power that that has, that women have when they
realize that instinct inside of them and wanting to be
a mom.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
You know, I absolutely love that because it's supposed to
being how a fond of bad manners to talk about
the maternal instinct, except for every reliable social measurement in
American social sciences that the maternal instinct is precisely the case.

(15:03):
And you know, I think it's great to use real
world examples. One of the things that I am particularly
interested in is the late actress Mary Tyler Moore. A
lot of people know and regard her still, she was
heralded by the feminist movement for playing a character that
seemingly could have at all. In fact, it was an

(15:25):
a themes on her show, and it really came to
a tragic conclusion many years later in her own real life,
when she lost a son to suicide, and she wrote
at length, and she spoke at length about the fact
that she came to realize too late that the time

(15:49):
with her young son, especially in those primary years, went
way too fast. It was stand through the hourglass. And
I'm quoting from her memoir. She said, there is no
question about it. He said, by the time my son
Richie was five, I had already let him down when
he needed me the most. I was busier and even

(16:11):
more self concerned than I had been when he was
an impressionable infant. And I think that that story and
that kind of observation social science says that it's categorically
the case, once you missed those young years, you've missed them.
And so I think that this wonderful new survey confirms

(16:34):
that COVID acted as a kind of a refresher course
on why it's worthwhile being home with young children.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Tim Graad article on this today. I want to make
mention of the note that you work for focus on
the family and your founder and leader, doctor James Dobson.
I think passed away. Was it last week or a
week or two ago? I had a chance over the
years to work with doctor Dobson. What a wonderful guy
and his organization, so many wonderful things. We just send
out our thoughts on that that of his passing, and

(17:05):
you do a great work there. Focus on the family.
Thank you, Tim, Thank you so much. Tim Gaglin. He
is vice president of External and Government Affairs with Focus
on the Family. Talking about working moms, my wife, I
don't want to say quit work, but the day our
oldest son was born, she was done. She's not working
outside the home anymore. She has all those years.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, I queen, be the same way, you know, when
you have a kid. I can't help but laugh. So
I mean, well, well I need you for if I got
to work. What are you doing? What are you doing?
I don't know? Okay, all right, that's one way you
can put it, all right, I get the work. I'll
get the work. And so my queen bee uh, it's
I love this story because I love that there have

(17:47):
been mothers who with two incomes always better than one.
But if you were in an environment where you have
two incomes, so because some parents, if you're the sole
source of income, you don't have that option but if
you have two incomes and then you had that time
with your children, the right off going to the kids
is just something that I love that there's this story
out here and I think it is absolutely true.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
All right, Marre coming up. It is the Robin greg Show,
the Tuesday afternoon edition on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Kay, and arrests. My wife and I. We
had time over the weekend and go see a movie.
There wasn't one to go see. We didn't care.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Movies are done. I don't know if they'll ever come back.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
They don't make good ones. All they do is a
remakes remakes.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I did like F one. I watched that one.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I like that F one and and uh the Top
Gun a year ago. Well yeah, and Mission impossible this year.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, Mission impossible.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
And we're good about the two only decent ones out there.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, all right, still a lot to get to, Okay,
joining us on the program. I'm looking forward to this topic.
Corey Astill, he is the president of Summit Institute for
Law and Policy, wrote a great op ed and what
desret news about the recent opinion from a judge came
late in the day. I don't think the legislature has
any time to go to the state Supreme Court to
have it reviewed because of its timely when it came

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out and how much they have to do to get
ready for the ballot. But it's proper position for and
basically the judges told the legislature they're going to have
to go back to the drawing board on their congressional
drawings of the maps to unpack all this for us.
Is Corey, Corey, Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Thanks so much, gentlemen, happy to join you.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Thanks So I saw that you were coming on. We've
we've met, We've I've talked to you before. You're wicked smart,
you know what's going on. If you could share with
our listeners, maybe maybe a capsule of what this judge
decided and what's the consequence of the judges ruling for
Utah's going forward.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Absolutely, so, I want to take one step back to
what the Utah Supreme Court decided about a year ago.
So the court held that the SB two hundred, which
was the legislature's repeal of Proposition for, violated the constitutional
right of the people to alter or reform their government.
This really was the court sort of inventing a novel

(19:54):
interpretation that's not really grounded in the Constitution's original public meeting.
And I think what happening with this District Court last
week is basically she was following that in those footsteps.
So the Utah Constitution really treats citizens' initiatives as ordinary
statutes once enacted, and that would mean it's subject to

(20:15):
the legislature amending or repealing it. But what the Utah
Supreme Court did was create something entirely different. It created
this special protection, this entirely new category of law whereby
quote unquote, government reform initiatives are treated differently basically as
a superstatute, something more akin to a constitutional amendment that

(20:37):
can't be repealed or changed without a much more rigorous
process and really a vote to the people. And that's
not at all what the Constitution says or even implies.
And honestly, the Court now has placed itself in the
center of attention because the real question is now what
qualifies as government reform. I mean that could be a
tax policy, it could be environmental regulation. But the Court

(20:59):
really is inviting endless litigation on this question, putting itself
right in the middle of it. And what Judge Gibson
last week the District Court ruled is essentially following in
the Supreme Court's lead, saying that SB. Two hundred, the
legislatures repeal and prop for, was unconstitutional under this new
precedent that the Utah Supreme Court is now created. And

(21:21):
she went a little bit further and even stipulated that
the Legislature's maps were in violation of that precedent. Now,
that issue wasn't briefed by the parties or raised in
and the pleading. So I mean, Judge Gibson's really stepping
out on a limb. That's not how courts usually issue rulings.
I think the legislature absolutely should appeal this decision, but honestly, gentlemen,

(21:44):
based on where the Utah Supreme Court wants to take this,
I'm not entirely sure that there's a lot of hope
that an appeal will win. And so what I wrote
in the outf ed this past week is essentially saying,
assuming that what the Utah Supreme Court has decided is
basically going to be the new president the new law,

(22:05):
we still have a fallback position, and that is that
proposition for at its core, functions as a procedural framework
rather than mandating outcomes. And what I mean by that
is the Utah Supreme Court itself noted that proposition for
does not remove the legislature's authority to enact maps. Instead,

(22:25):
it just serves as a check on the process to
foster accountability. So the Court's role in reviewing the legislature's
maps should be limited to verifying the legislature that the
legislature complied with the procedures. And what we mean by
that is, you know, just ensure that the Commission proposed
some maps, that public hearings were held, and that the

(22:46):
legislature provided a justification for why it chose to adopt
its own maps. Because the legislature gets to choose the maps,
judges do not get to substitute their own preferences for
that of the legislature. The judges have no authority to
pick maps. The Commission has no authority to pick maps.
The Commission can only recommend maps. The legislature has all

(23:06):
the authority to disregard, just so long as the legislature
follows the procedures. And so I made this analogy to
the National Environmental Policy Act as a procedural statute that yeah,
and it requires identification of potential effects of a project.
You have to come up with alternatives and mitigation strategies,
you have to have public input, But it does not

(23:28):
dictate a course of action for the project. NIPA does
not give environmental groups or judges a veto on the project,
in the same way that the commission and the judges
do not have a veto on the maps drawn by
the legislatures, just as long as the legislature follows those
procedures that jump through the hoops.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Corey, what about the possibility if the lawmakers have been
ordered to redo the maps or reconsider what they did,
If they go back to the judge with what changes
they've made and she doesn't like them, is there a
possibility that she could do the map for herself. Is
that a possibility?

Speaker 4 (24:05):
That is not That is not how the law is written.
And so this is what I'm trying to explain to folks,
is that if the judge doesn't like the maps, the
only thing that she can do is say, legislature, you
didn't follow the procedures. But if the legislature follows the procedures,
and that means you know, holding public hearings showing why

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that they decided to keep this community together and have
this contiguous line drawn just as long as they dot
those i's and cross those keys. The judge has no
authority whatsoever to come back and say, no, I don't
like what you've drawn, I'm going to redraw it for you.
There's no there's no provision in the statute in proposition

(24:47):
for that would allow that. And the Commission has really
no role to play other than recommending their own maps.
They can draw a map and say hey, legislature, do
you like this one? And the legislature can say no,
and we're going to draw it this way and we're
going to follow the procedure and the judge has no
authority to overrule that.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
So this is probably too wonkish. But do they have
to show their work like a math problem that they've
already done? Are they supposed to do it again? Because
I can tell you thirty days to have that process
done right, having been there before and been through redistricting,
your public hearing is alone you can't accomplish if you're
going to do it right in the thirty days. She's
given them a thirty day timeline. To do all this,

(25:24):
do they have to show previous work or are they
supposed to do things that have never been seen by
way of process to redistrict these maps or to go
through that process again, Corey.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
They will have to show their work and they are
going to have to go through the process again. Because
she dubbed HP two thousand and four, which was essentially
the twenty twenty one maps, she decided that that was
in violation. And again that issue was not briefed by
the parties, and so she shouldn't have decided that, but
she did. And so now the legislature's in the position

(25:54):
that essentially needs to go through the process again, and
it does need to show its work. That's actually the
most important part. And that's what we're talking about when
we say procedures is show your work. And at the end,
as long as the work is shown, the judge doesn't
have the authority to overrule those maps. And it is
a ridiculous timeline. One agree.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, sure, Corey, great insight, Thanks for joining us since afternoon.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Thanks that's Corey as still he's president of the Summit
Institute for Law and Policy. And you said she has
set up a timeline that I think is impossible for
lawmakers to follow, and she's done that on purpose.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, I've been through. Yeah, so you can't travel the
state as has has happened before, listening to the different
communities and getting their input as has happened before, and
you can't get that done. And now it's less than
thirty days. I mean, you're they're looking at three weeks now, Yeah,
I mean it's it will not be the process that
they've done before. And I don't know how you do
any of that substantively in thirty days.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Did we even bet on the new plan will be
exactly what the Better Boundaries wants? Joey put on. That's
where she said, yea, all right, are coming up on
the Rod and Greg show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine KNRN. You know, we were talking with Coreastil
a minute ago about Redistrict Team, and we did that
because there were a number of editorial comments and opinion
pieces written in the local news media outlets this weekend

(27:14):
by Mormon Women for Ethical Government. Now Here are my
thoughts on that poorly named group, because by saying Mormon women,
they're trying to convince the entire state that they represent
all Mormon women. You look at their agenda and I
bet they represent maybe five percent.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Well, I think I think our listeners that.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
They don't represent any of our listeners. I mean, this organization.
Be careful, folks, because they're very, very liberal.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
So if you're a female listener of our show, do
you advance the Green New Deal? Because they do. They
call it greenwashing when you try to criticize the oppressive
nature of the Green New Deal. Climate change is coming,
we have to get electric cars. They go to immigration.
They are opposed to the master detention and deportation of

(28:03):
illegal immigrants completely post If you are a female and
you've listened to this and you you're also of the
Olds faith, would the Mormon Women for Ethical Government be
speaking for you, because that's a pretty broad name. That'd
be like me saying I'm Uton's for apple pie. It's
a very conservative movement, but we're going to call ourselves
Utons for apple pie. And I don't know that I
can commandeer that tasty dessert and call it my own

(28:27):
and everything conservative I can attach to the to the
pie apple pie. But that is what they're doing when
they say Mormon Women for Ethical Government is that it
is a left of center group who use a very
broad term to suggest that they're somehow just a watched on. Yeah,
and they use some language like we believe in you
rule of law, but we also don't want to deport anybody,

(28:48):
and we have to welcome our foreign visitors, like our
foreign people that come here and be neighboring, on and on.
It's it's a word salad.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, that word salad they use because they you know,
they're hoping to portray and this is what happens. The
news media in this market will run to them every
time an issue like this comes up, and they'll say
Mormon Women for Ethical Government, and people out there will believe, well,
they're speaking either on behalf of the church or on
behalf of Mormon women throughout the state. Yeah, that is

(29:16):
so unclear that that is not true. Folks. This is
a very liberal organization that you need to be aware of.
So when you hear that term, realize this is a
very left of center organization here in the state of
Utah who claim their values aligned with the Mormon Church.
But if you look at some of the values, hmmm,

(29:36):
you'd question that.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I think it would. I'm telling you. It's this whole thing.
I don't know if we'll get in this in a
five o'clock hour. But beyond even the redistricting, these rulings
where you can have super laws that are passed by initiative,
this is where George Soros hit paydirt. Okay, he can
absolutely carpet bomb states with ballot measures that sound good
that the people wouldn't vote for, you wouldn't get through
a legislative process. We're heading in that direction, all right.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
A lot more to come. Two hours still to come
of the Rod and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Can stay with us.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I'm Rod Archie, I'm citizen Hughes. There is just a
lot going on right now. There's a lot happening. Epstein
files just looks like the House Oversight Committee's just received
a bunch of files have been released to them. They're
making that available to the public. Don't know what's going
to be in there, but it is trending at the
moment as news as we sit here, so I felt
like I should share that listeners.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I think this is a this is a legacy media
generated story because my sense is greg most Americans don't care.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I will say there's a segment of conservatives that are
just so tired of the elite getting away with things
and harmony of children, and so there's a frustration there
that if you're powerful, you're going to get away with this,
and so if there is justice to be served, I
think there is a group of conservative that are tracking
as closely. However, as you've point out in the Harry Ent,
and you know polls and a lot the Democrats use

(31:05):
this as an excuse to condemn Trump. I think more
than it outsizes that issue. But I do think it's
one that they're tracking. But it's not the and I
don't I think it's I think Democrats try to use
as a stick to beat Trump with more than obviously
than it deserves.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Little history note for you today, Do you know what
happened eighty years ago today? What Japan signed the World
War II surrender?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Good? Good for them, lucky they did it, Thank the
lucky stars.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I always thought, you know this way, I haven't caught
up on my history, that they surrendered the day after
the second a bomb drop. That's what I thought, But
it took me several weeks to make all this happen.
But it's the eightieth anniversary signed on, wasn't it the
USS Missouri?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I don't know, sounds reasonable to thanks? What am I
in school? What are you?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
My teacher MacArthur was there? You know you've heard of MacArthur?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yes, I had.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That's good, that's good, all right. This happened over the weekend.
When I saw this story, I went, what happened here?
We had a horrible collision down in Saint George. Greg
you were out of town, but a one driver ninety
years old got going in the southbound direction in the
northbound lanes of fifteen in Saint George, Okay, smashed into somebody,

(32:22):
killing three people, including himself. You hear these stories occasionally.
I know Utah has made a huge effort over the
past couple of years. You know where I get off
the road up on US Highway eighty nine, You've got
a flashing stop sign on the exit. So if people
get on that exit trying to get on, it's flashing
him saying to stop stop. So the state's been doing

(32:43):
a lot of this, But you hear these now. Occasionally
it is a drunk driver, occasionally as someone whose medication
have interfered. Maybe that was the case here, but it
raised the question greg of how old or when do
we start testing people at a certain age about their cognitive,

(33:04):
you know, abilities and their ability to drive. Because if
if this man was just confused about this and what
was going on here, doesn't that raise the question is
there a way to approach it from the aged drivers
that we have here in the state. And I know
I'm going into territory that people aren't going to like this,
but I think it's a discussion worth having.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So it's a tricky issue. I actually I don't know
the answer. That's why I don't mind talking about this
five o'clock Cower. I'd love to hear what our listeners
have to think, have to say, because you look at
Trump at his age versus Biden when he was that age,
and they are just two different people. I mean, one
is far more with it. His cognitive abilities are heads

(33:46):
and shoulders above anything that Biden was over I'd say, honestly,
I'd say over the last ten years, I think Trump
is so much more energetic and knows what's going on.
So age by itself in and of itself doesn't always
amount to something like it's you've hit the age where
you can no longer drive. However, ninety yeah, ninety one,

(34:07):
ninety June. Like from our experience in our family, the
last thing someone that's found their independence for driving and
they're getting older, the last thing on earth they want
to do is give up the keys, because that is
kind of giving up their independence in a lot of ways.
And so it's probably they probably hang on, maybe too long.
I don't know, but you don't if you think there's
an age where people's reflexes just by just age itself.

(34:31):
Like my eyes, I need glasses now. I didn't for
the first fifty years of my life, almost fifty years,
and all of a sudden, my eyes start going bad
and I found out No, everybody's eyes start to deteriorate.
So are we start to deteriorate as human beings? You know,
the gravity just gets a bit much after ninety years.
So what do you do? You say, Okay, throw them
a tennis ball. If they can't catch it, they're out.

(34:53):
Well you can't drive.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
What I was going to bring that up? Your reflexes deteriorate,
correvert time, You aren't as quickly you as you used
to be. I mean, it's just a matter of age.
With that in mind, though, and you brought up a point,
I think the toughest decision that kids have to make
with their aging parents is taking those car keys away. Yeah,
it's a tough. Now. On my wife's side, her dad

(35:16):
was getting up there and he volunteered. He basically says,
look here, you take the keys. I can't drive any more,
you know. And all he would go he'd go down
is dirt road to get the mail and come back,
and that's all he drove most of the time. But
even that became too much for him, and he said,
I'm giving up the driving privileges, please take the keys away.

(35:36):
That's a difficult decision. But when you've got people and
nothing against honest, nothing against this man who was involved
in all of this, but he's ninety years old and
obviously he got confused, and in your advancing years, you
get confused at times, speaking from experience. Yet now, because

(35:56):
I know you wanted to bring that out.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, well you know you're staring down that barrel closer
to that.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I am, thank you, But I mean, what do we
do in that case? I mean, should there be a
yearly test, should you know, should you leave it up
to the family. I I'm not a big fan of
getting the government in golf even more, but maybe it
needs to here. I just I heard that story, read
that stir I went, oh, that's so tragic, and what
can be done to prevent it? Maybe nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Now, look, we don't have a story every day coming
out to year. We don't drove down the wrong side
the freeway, so maybe it's anecdotal. But my but what
I think it highlights is I mean, because you've you
ever heard the story, this happens I think more often
than not, where someone hits the gas instead of the
break and a drive through the comedian store window or.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Whatever that that that does happen.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
So my question is, is there is there a hard
stop age in our listener's mind where we where it's
reasonable to say that that reflexes age has just caught
up with people and driving a car as heavy as
it is, as powerful as it is, and as much
damage as they can do to the driver as well
as others. Is there a cutoff age or do you

(37:07):
do the families around that individual take you know, just
pay attention and make sure that if they are bad,
that they take the keys away. I don't know. I
could probably go either way on a hard age if
I knew what that age was.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
But is there a test that would allow you to
somehow figure out if they're cognitive ability is for being impact.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Well, you could treat them like a like a kid,
new kid driving and give them a driver's test, But
just the logistics and the I just think that's a
lot of extra work. You would be putting an additional
level of responsibility on the DMV, which would be pretty
hefty in terms of testing them frequently and if they
can drive.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm thinking of a couple of examples, Greg, I think
I've mentioned this before. I played pickleball and one of
the gentlemen who comes and plays not very often, he's
ninety two years old. Wow, and he plays pickleball.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
He probably drives there to play.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
He drives there to play, and it appears just fine.
I know of two elderly women who are now deceased
who lived in our neighborhood. They would drive, and I
can remember times when I'd get behind them going down
the road and going oh no, oh, no, you know,
because they're kind of weaving. They're all over the place.
One of them couldn't even could hardly see, but still

(38:19):
insisted to go down the road to the grocery store.
And I remember getting behind her once went h bless
your heart, hope everything will work out okay, and we're
cause next. And so in light of what happened in
Saint George with three people dead because someone got on
the freeway and went the wrong way, is there anything
that can be done about that, or, like you said,

(38:41):
leave it up to the families and make that call,
which is not an easy call to make.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's not and I have I have mixed emotions about this.
I hate the heavy handed government, but there's got to
be some age where we can all collectively say that
we would. You know, we don't let fifty We don't
have four teen year olds drive unless you're a farm
kid in Idaho, but you don't let you know, there's
certain ages that we don't let people drive. You take

(39:06):
eye tests so you can see if you can't, you're
not supposed to be driving, you know, glasses on there.
We do have standards here. And driving isn't like a
constitutional right. I mean, that's that is a that is
a licensed state licensed. I don't know what call it
a privilege, but it is something you have to get
a license and qualify as per that state's requirements to
do it. Is there a level of competency that we

(39:27):
should be requiring from our drivers and should we be
staring at those that level of ability closer as people
get more advanced than age.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Well, we don't allow them to drive till they're sixteen,
that's right, right, So is there an age like you
just brought up where they do have to pass a
test to be able to continue to drive.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I think that sounds good. I but if someone says
that I'm a communist because I said, I'll listen to
that argument too, because I don't want to be a communist.
I don't like communists. I hate communism. So I'm interested
in what the Remember this again, this isn't a constitution, right,
every state we talked about this with CDL licenses. You said, look, man,
they get you got to know English. If you're gonna
be driving these commercial driver's license you're gonna have one,

(40:09):
you got you got to have certain We don't want
these CDL mills just pumping out licenses to anybody, so
we we all I think I can say that our
callers have, our listeners have wanted standards for driving. What
do you do about old people that get you know,
older than you, which is really old because I mean
you and dirt. You're in a race on this, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
So I'm saying you've seen me drive? Would you would
you think I need a test?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You get tickets? What you need?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Now?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
You drive too fast? But no, you know how to drive?

Speaker 7 (40:38):
You do?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah? Really there may be people, even at my age
who have trouble driving. And what do we do about that?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, I said, I think about it. If you if
you get overly uh prescripted though, if you have like
people after they hit a certain age have to take
a test every year or something. It's going to get
a bit much for everyone for the cost of it.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
But for the for for a safe public. Is it
asking too much?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I am open minded to the collective wisdom of this audience.
I really am. I am, because I don't have a
simple answer.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Neither do I. But I wonder if something should be.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Done or need so easy to say everyone gets tested. Yeah,
there's a fiscal note to that, there's tax Paramodney goes
to that, there's more work has to do.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
He hear your lawmaker mind kicks.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I'm just telling you it's a lot more bureaucracy you're
creating if you have to, if you have to make
them test all the time. I don't know what age?
What age do you start that?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Eighty? How are you?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I don't know. I'm not going to tell you. Okay,
whatever age you are, I'm seventy two.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
You have to go twice a year.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
No, I don't want to now, I'm not saying twice
a year. Wow. Now my wife may agree.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
We have to go to a break.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
We have car drivers, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
We have callers. Please hold, we have to go to
a break right now. But I want to hear from
you because I am This is one where I just
usually I just am burdened with the knowledge. I know.
I don't have an opinion. I just know. I'm not
Actually I really don't. I'm a little like I said,
I'm I'm open to persuasion on this one.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one es
L cell phone dial pound two fifties. Say hey, Rod,
or you can send us a note on our talk
back line. Check it out, your calls, your comments coming
up on The Rotten Greg Show. We're bringing this up
because of this tragic accident in Saint George over the
weekend in which a ninety year old driver got on
the freeway going the wrong way ended up running into somebody.
Three people are dead, and you know, it raised a

(42:24):
question if should anything be done? And if so, what
I think? That's what we're asking And we don't want.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
To be judging. No, no, we're not judging. We just
want to you know, where's the where's the where's the
sweet spot on all of this? Yeah? Or do you
go so interested?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, leave
us a talk back line or on your cell phone
dial pound two fifteen, say hey, Rod, let's go to
the phone.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Hey, let's go to the phone. Let's go to Spencer,
who's been waiting in Salt Lake City. Spencer, thank you
for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Thanks Bud.

Speaker 8 (42:54):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
What do you think about this?

Speaker 7 (42:57):
Good?

Speaker 4 (42:59):
So?

Speaker 8 (42:59):
I got it of a not super lengthy, but I
mean just an overall answer to this. I honestly think
between the age of seventy and seventy five, once a
year there should be a cognitive test given and a
reflex test given to those individuals.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
Now, this is not.

Speaker 8 (43:17):
To again judge, like you said, but if it does
come down that they're not capable of the reflexes that
are required to drive correctly or whatever, then they're given
a special card or something like for uber or or
lift that gives them still the opportunity to not lose
their ability to get around. It'll be paid for, you

(43:40):
know what I mean. But they will no longer be
able to drive themselves, but they still have the option
to use a lift or uber or another transit system
of their choice as much as they need to to
still get around.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
That's idea, Thank you. Spen' a very very interesting idea.
But he'd said seventy seven, We've.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Got to check your cognitive I'm gonna start throwing pencils
or pens at you and see if you can catch it.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
We're going to try.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I'm gonna try one of these reflexes tests on you
right now.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
And Sandy, we're talking with Paula tonight on the Roden
greg Show. Paula, how are you? Thanks for waiting, good.

Speaker 9 (44:17):
Thanks for having me on. Hey, I have the answer.
I this is what I'm going to do. I am
going to drive an electric car, were self with self driving?
I was test driving. Yeah, thank you, I'm test driving
when just a week ago I was blown away. I

(44:42):
went at least ten miles completely on self driving mode.
It was so safe.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Are you scared I'd be so afraid to do that?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
No?

Speaker 9 (44:52):
No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't scary at all. It
was so safe. You just have to sit in the
driver's feet to monitor. But I didn't have to do anything,
include putting it in drive. It did everything, and when
I got to my location, it stopped my car. I mean,
it's you can put in pre locations of where you

(45:14):
can go to me. With our technology advancing as it is,
I'm not going to wait till i'm ninety before I
make that decision.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I'm going to do it now, all right, Paul, I
have driven idea. My son has a Tesla okay, and
when he first got he said, hey, come take a
ride with me, Dad, you drive is put it in
self driving. I did. It was pretty cool and I
would you know, you're a little worried. But it took
us off the freeway, got us back on the freeway.
It was bad.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I'd like to think I'm far away from retirement, but
I'm going to start saving the you know, the money. Now,
I think that's the answer. You get the self driving car.
You don't have to worry about that anymore. Okay, let's
keep going. Let's go to Marnie from Ogden, who's been waiting. Marnie,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Oh, I thank you very much. I was listening more
of a personal situation. I'm almost eighty four. I am driving.
I do not drive at night unless it's in a
very familiar area for me, and otherwise I'll have somebody
to go with me and do the driving for me.

(46:18):
I anticipate making a decision on my own on when
I realized I will be I'm not a safe driver
any longer. I do use an.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
App for.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Safe driving with my insurance and hav an eleven percent discount,
which I think.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Is really so.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Marty ca asked you a question. Yeah, so you you
you you are smart. You listen to the show, so
that puts you you're already super smart. You you sound,
you sound on top of your game. What about your peers,
the people that you know, the people they are, they
do you do you see anyone Do you observe anyone
that you think, oh, I don't know if they should

(47:04):
be driving or not. Did you ever observe that in
your life?

Speaker 7 (47:09):
The funny thing is.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
That my peers are the ages of my children.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I see that you were smarter than the average bear.

Speaker 9 (47:19):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
She's figured it out and say, gee see, and Marnie
just decided on her own, these are the limits.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
And I thought that was you shouldn't drive it not
very bright unless somewhere very familiar. She's she's waiting, she's
open to the observation of I.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Think she's good. She's good.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Everyone's as smart as Marney. That's where I was. But
she's but she's got down, she's and I love the
self driving.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, all right, more coming up, more your calls coming up.
It is the Rotten Grag Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine k n RS. Dealing
with elderly drivers. We had a very sad situation happened
over the weekend in Saint George where a ninety year
old driver got on the freeway going the wrong direction,
hit somebody, killing three people. In the question is okay,

(48:00):
is there a point where you know, if families don't
step in, someone needs to step in. And I'll allow
elderly people to drive if they don't have the abilities
to do so.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yep. So it is a question. I think we've gotten
some really good like I knew we would. This is
a question. This is something I wanted to bat around
in this hour because I usually just have the burden
of knowing what we should do next, and I don't
have the luxury of opinion. But this one, I'm man,
I I'm not sure you're.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Kind of as I am too. I mean, you know
we're all about freedom, but you.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Know you're all about You're all about making them go
through tests until someone got to your age and you're.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Like, whoa, this is Chris. All right, let's go to
the phones. Let's talk with John in West Point and
get his thoughts on this tonight. John, thanks for waiting.
What are your thoughts about this? John?

Speaker 10 (48:53):
I think things. Guys appreciate your show. I think the
easiest solution and probably the best, is what we're already
doing with We have we have an eye test, so
we have an eye doctor that if we can't see
right properly, we need to do an eye test on
our driving. I think we need to give our primary

(49:16):
doctors or maybe a specialist a little more control on Hey,
your driver's license is suspended until you can test and
pass this cognitive test that maybe the state runs. And
so for the olders even the youngers, is can you

(49:37):
pass an eye test and can you pass this cognitive
test as well?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I like that. You know what I like about that?
Is it?

Speaker 7 (49:45):
It? So?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
What was really hard for me is we're going to
create a new you know, more frequent tests, more getting
the DMV involved in more you know, scrutinizing drivers even
to a higher level. And it's just it sounds good
in theory, but it becomes more bureaucrac more expensive, and
I just but what I think the caller was just
saying is, have your doctor have have some standard where

(50:08):
where certain you have to have certain cognitive abilities, and
then have the doctor say that that you've gone to
the doctor and you're good to go. I hope you
know your doctor will because you know you're gonna need
you're gonna need a doctor's excuse you a pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
At my wonderful age. Yeah, when I go in for
a yearly check. Now, they give you a very brief
cognitive test. Yeah, they tell you that. Well, they like,
because you want to cheat, don't you know? You have
to tell the time on a face of a clock.
They say, all right, show us what ten after three
would look like. That's then they give you three words.

(50:43):
Really silly, they give you three words. Okay, okay, they'll
even come back and ask you what those three words are.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
That's that's a low bar.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I've never passed that one.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Are you kidding? I'm just going to say I only
think Joe Biden is the only guy that wouldn't be
able to pass that. Are you telling me?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I get about two out of three?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
How how long between the time they tell you the
three words?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like an hour and a half. No it's not. It's
like five minutes.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
And you can't rattle back to three.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Because I'm not listening half the oh man.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I don't know. That sounds easy, but I'm going to
jinx myself.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
So maybe there's a more challenging cognizant test. I think, like,
throw a ball at somebody, catch it. That's your idea.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Now, if you've been a lousy to catching nick tennis
ball or any ball for a long for your whole life.
That might not be fair, but there has to be.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Something, you know, But we're talking about as But I
know people who are younger or horrible drivers.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
By the way, Well, you know it's weird about that.
I have a daughter who's who's a very good athlete.
She can't. When she was learning how to drive, she
was just she'd run into those big concrete incseed light
poles at the Smith's parking lot. She just run into it.
It's not even moving.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Is she better now?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I don't know. I had a couple, I had a
couple of you know, small little fender bears. I had
to you know, deal with it. But because I don't
insure was paying for it. But now she was a
really good athlete, very coordinated, but not a good driver.
Not a good driver. And that's what her mother. Whether
I didn't, I didn't drive, well their love did.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You didn't want to drive runs into the into.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
The light pole. It dismiss you know, with the hit
the concrete. It's not even moving, it's just there. You
speak up on her.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
It may have. You know the great thing about newer cars,
they have so many safety features in them.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
There that's true.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I mean you come close to something in front of
the back, you get a beat.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
You get all these cameras.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Lane indicators now that show you where everything is. I
think they're making cars safer, which is good.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's good. But I'll tell you what I have. I
have a car that shows me my car from above.
Somehow it somehow car does so I can see all
around it. So when I'm parking to a parking place,
I can see where the light white lines are. But
when I'm not driving that car now, I'm having death
depth perception issues where I don't I used to be
able to pull in all the time. Because I depend
so heavily on that, I'm losing a little bit of

(52:57):
that skill set. So the more safe the cars do
it on their own, the more we lose maybe some
of those navigation skills. So you are getting older, that's
not an age thing. Let's go to our talkback lines
right now.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
See what some of our listeners who shared with us
a message on talkback.

Speaker 11 (53:11):
Greg Offer from Fountain Green as a CDL holder, we're
tested every two years. We have to get a physical
done to make sure that we can safely operate a
CMP on the highways. I mean personally, I don't see
anything wrong with doing that for elderly people. As far
as the age limit where it should start, I mean,
that's something that would be up for debate with, you know,
with many people. But I think the government could probably

(53:34):
offer those services for free for elderly people, you know,
as part of our taxes.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
That we're paying.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I know you want to save streets, safe highways, maybe
you offer them for free.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah. I still like the I love the Tesla self driving.
That's going to be my solution. That's my go to
because I figure by the time I hit you know
your age, in like twenty years. I don't know when,
but when when I get order, self driving will be
more common by this that's gonna be my That's gonna
be my ticket.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, I'll save you.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
All right, here's another talkback collar.

Speaker 12 (54:06):
Hi, Rod and Greg. We need to have older people tested,
I think at about sixty five each year to make
sure that they are still cognitively able to drive. Because
I was hit by a car and along with my
mom in the crosswalk. I was five, she was thirty seven.

(54:26):
I was thrown fifteen feet and she had lasting injuries
from it.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Wow, did he say sixty five he did.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Oh man, you'd have maintain that for a long time.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Toasta, there's another comment.

Speaker 13 (54:45):
Kudos to Marty, the eighty four year old woman I
just heard, and the woman before her, because I believe
between the two of them they have the answer to
this situation now. And I'm so sorry for all the
folks down to Saint George, but uh, taking away people's

(55:09):
rights to transport is not the idea.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
And it's mark I might have said, I might. Marnie
is she she was, she was awesome.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I hope back again, kind of self governed, herself, was
able to do it.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
She's smart, she's she's she's I agree with the callback
the talkback caller that that that I thought they struck
on on good, good best practices to keep safe without
getting government.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
All right, mar your coles and comments coming up on
the Tuesday afternoon edition of The Rond and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one nine, can Abby better.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I hope that anyone looks at how she parks, because
I'm gonna tell your reason. She straddles that line. She's
not parkingside two lines in this parking out here. I
don't know that's it. I don't know if that's a cognitivision.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Let's go to Ray an American or speaking of driving, Ray,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 14 (56:04):
Okay, While I was sitting on hold, and then I
decided that I'm going to say something controversial here. That
bumper tune Joe Walsh in the City is the best
song the Eagles mistake the best songs wish they did. Wow,
So all the Eagles fans out there can freak out.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
That's right, all right, right now, let's talk about driving right.

Speaker 14 (56:30):
Well, I wanted to give a bigger picture, which is
that in our society in the United States, convenience and
not hurting feelings. Trump's public safety give you an example.
There are a half a dozen tests we could administer
right now that can identify psychopathy in individuals at a

(56:53):
very young age. And I'm not saying that these individuals
should be put away. However, they can be monitored. These
are the people that are committing the mass murders. Every
single one of them is a psychopath. When you don't
have any type of cognitive ability to have empathy for
your actions, then your psychopathic or sociopathic. And we have

(57:15):
the test to be able to identify it, but we
don't do it because we don't want to hurt people's
feelings and we don't want to paint somebody with, you know,
some type of scarlet letter. It's the same thing with
this situation, with this unfortunate thing that happened in Saint George.
It's a tragedy because it was unintentional. You know this lady,

(57:36):
she obviously did not mean to hurt anyone, and yet
we have rug drivers that do this thing intentionally every
single weekend. So the real answer here is that I believe,
and I'm sixty, I'll be sixty eight. I got no
problem with starting testing to be able to drive a vehicle.
I don't want to hurt anybody. And I think that
that any responsible adult who's going to take the responsibility

(57:59):
of driving an automobile, how should be aware of the
fact that when you start getting older, things start to Yeah,
and I don't think for us to take tests.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
No, Ray, very very good point. It doesn't hurt us
to take a test. It may be a little inconvenient,
but you know what a little inconvenience to be safe
on the highways.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
And I love that Ray took a little broader, like
even with these with these people that commit these crimes
and things, if you if there's a you know, there's
some there's some assessments that could be done that could
be pretty accurate.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, we've had another comment on our talk back line
about this. Yes, this is Scott from Tewila.

Speaker 15 (58:36):
I think assimilator when you reach a certain age, it
puts you in a different scenarios. Could determine how you
react to those scenarios. You know, you may be doing
things pretty good, but find yourself putting in a difficult
scenario that uh, that's when you start to see the

(58:57):
impact of age.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
That would be it. Yeah, maybe that's an idea simulator test. Yeah,
well you know what you're doing very quickly.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
There there was a time where we i mean, we
have these these traffic engineers that create some pretty complicated intersections.
I mean, I don't know if you've seen some of
those intersections. I mean some of these are just like
if you get on banging or you're going down the
wrong side of the road on purpose in a lane
that kind of crosses over. I mean, there's just it's
like they made a labyrinth, like a rat like maze

(59:26):
or something and they throw us in there. We're trying
to figure it all out. So it's some of these
designs are actually kind of confusing. Generally.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
There's a reason behind him though. The engineers they're probably
all about safety.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
They are, but they really run us around a lot,
saying yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
We'll talk about illegal immigration, immigrants doing jobs that Americans
won't do. You've heard that argument before. We'll get into
it next. Donald Trump died over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
You these leftists, they're sick people. They can't they just
they run this bit story and they just say, yeah,
it's it's a bit demented.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Yeah, And a little bit later on, we'll show you
why the legacy medium, as you like to call them,
the regime legacy media, why they have no credibility with
what they did with Christy Nome over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
It's the latest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Pretty amazing. All right, let's take a minute right now
and talk about illegal immigration. We've all heard the argument
that we need illegal immigrants to do the jobs that
the American people won't do. Well, is that true. Let's
bring out our next guest and talk about that. His
name is Adam Coleman. We've had Adam on the show
before a founder of wrong Speak Publishing. Adam, how are

(01:00:40):
you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 16 (01:00:43):
I'm doing well, Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
On You're taking issue, Adam with the argument that we
hear oftentimes that we need illegal immigrants because they won't
do the job, or they'll do the jobs that Americans won't.
What do you make of that argument, Adam.

Speaker 16 (01:00:58):
I think that is a complete lie. And I use
the example of the truck driver in Florida who calls
that crash.

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
Coming from India.

Speaker 16 (01:01:09):
You know, truck driving is a very working class job.
People from different economic levels, from backgrounds, even people who
come out of jail, that trucking becomes an opportunity for
them to make honest living. And here they are importing
people to do the very job that working class Americans
willfully and gladly do. So I think it's a complete lie,

(01:01:32):
and I think it started off with us believing the
lie that this is somehow going to benefit Americans. Maybe
we'll get lower costs, so maybe they'll do those things
that we really don't want to do, and we can
focus on shifting these jobs over to y collar jobs.
And we've seen that middle America especially has lost out
on this. We've lost industries. And then on top of that,

(01:01:56):
we ship those jobs overseas, we ship them to Mexico
if we're not importing people to do the jobs that
they were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
So it's like a double whammy. Because I agree with you,
I think it's the most connescenting thing in the world
to say these are jobs Americans won't do. There's a
there's plenty of jobs we'll do, and we do them
on a regular basis. But you have two things happening.
You have the outsourcing that's going on, but you have
I did not know that we were counting visas work
visas in the millions in this country. It's it's a

(01:02:23):
how much. It's like fifty million, sixty The numbers are
so much higher than I thought. What happens to everyday
Americans when you have work visas coming in at the
volume that they're coming in, and then the outsourcing of
manufacturing jobs and other jobs that are happening simultaneously, where
does that leave the middle class or the working class.

Speaker 16 (01:02:44):
Well, that either leaves them unemployed or underemployed. So, for example,
when they put out those job numbers, what people presume
is that, oh, we have low unemployment, but that doesn't
say what kind of employment. So if ten years ago
you were fully employed at a full time job with
benefits and today you're working as a cashier part time,

(01:03:06):
they see that as the same and we're not recognizing
that there are millions of Americans who are underemployed, who
are struggling and have to work gig jobs on the side.
And on top of that, because they're importing labor, that
decreases the amount of money that we can make in
the workforce because there's more competition. So those jobs that

(01:03:28):
you know, I see in New Jersey where this warehouse
is everywhere, they paid them minerum wage. But those same
jobs decades ago, they would have paid them a livable
wage where they could buy a car, they could buy
a house, they could take care of their family off
of that money. But now there's such an influx of
people who are here they can take one and dump
one and get another one like they're you know, pieces

(01:03:49):
of skittles. So to them, there's no there's no investment
in this type of labor force because they're one of
a million, of one of millions.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, I think you point out very well that, you know,
if we accept this narrative that there are some jobs
that are broadly undesirable, doesn't it open up the door
for small businesses and corporations to consider a cheaper workforce.
And is that maybe what they're after?

Speaker 16 (01:04:16):
It is one hundred percent what they're after. You know,
if you go back to our country's history, the biggest
contentions have been about workforce. Whether it starts from slavery,
that has to do with workforce and how much labor
costs and can we afford to not have slaves. If
you look at early nineteen hundreds where you had the

(01:04:39):
importation of Irish immigrants and Italian immigrants, the contention of
you know, is this going to deplete our workforce as
far as the people who are here, it's going to
hurt the workforce that is currently here. So work workforce
and immigration and labor costs and all these things have

(01:05:00):
always been a contentious matter within our country. So I
don't think this is anything different. But just notice while
they go cheaper when it comes to the workforce, what
actually happens at the very top, the very top of
these corporations. They expand they get bigger, So it's the
people who are at the bottom of the totem pole

(01:05:21):
that stuffer the most.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
So they liked there is this implication that if you
didn't have cheap labor, then they would see these jobs
with this these companies and these jobs would cease to exist.
You're saying that that this is that there is that
you've got to pay people, You got to pay Americans
what it takes to lift, but that there is that margin,
there is the ability to do that. Am i am

(01:05:43):
I reading that right? This is these jobs should be
and can be held by Americans, and these companies still exist.

Speaker 16 (01:05:52):
Yes, one percent, we have a business friendly environment in
our country. The biggest problem that we have is we
are way too flexible as far as who gets to
work in these particular positions. We are way too flexible
when it comes to outsourcing. We are way too flexible
as far as you call it insourcing, right, bringing too

(01:06:15):
many people within the country to work these particular jobs.
So it's really an issue of fairness. It's an issue
of how they're conducting their business. But every company wants
to increase their profits. Every company is looking for some
sort of edge, but also the same companies, especially if
they're publicly traded. They care about their shareholders, so they

(01:06:37):
can't come back and do otherwise. They have to show
continuous growth. It's inevitable for them to eat in to
the labor force. So I mean this is where ultimately
the problem is. Not saying capitalism is a problem, but
I think the people who are conducting it are always
trying to look for some sort of cutting edge.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Adam, do you say this change it all? As Donald
Trump continues to do what he can to export or
to deepboard, I should say more and more people who
are here illegally. Do you see things changing it at all?
Or is it going to take a while.

Speaker 16 (01:07:15):
I think it's going to take a while, you know.
With twenty twenty. Twenty twenty was a realization that there
have been a lot of changes that people were very
they were sleeping on. They weren't recognizing that a lot
of cultural changes are happening because they've been happening gradually
for decades. More and more people, let's say, in my

(01:07:36):
state of New Jersey. I believe New Jersey has the
fifth largest Hispanic population. But if I do like a
quick time capsule, I'm seeing neighborhoods that used to be
racially mixed are now predominantly Hispanic, and that happened within
a ten So like there have been changes and slow changes.
I'm watching people get priced out. I'm watching jobs disappear

(01:07:59):
for the average American. Meanwhile, there's warehouse is popping up
all over this state and they're being filled but not
by Americans. So I think what Donald Trump is trying
to do is going to take a long time, and
hopefully whoever comes in at Donald Trump will continue it.
But I really do appreciate that he's exposing that there's

(01:08:22):
been a deeper rot as far as how we've been
dealing with immigration. I didn't realize the trucking situation was
as bad as it actually is, but now that this
accident kind of brought it to light that actually, like
I think you said, a large portion of the truckers
that are there deal with immigrants coming in and doing

(01:08:44):
their jobs, and it appreciates their wages so real quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
So there's an emphasis on trade schools. You're seeing that
the Trump administration wants to see stafford loans and grants
that are available for even trade schools. Now we may
have an emergent workforce that it will be trained and
ready to go in the in manufacturing, do you see
that wave coming of emerging workforce? As Trump administration has
put greater emphasis on these types of jobs manufacturing, which

(01:09:13):
you have to have some technology acumen for as well,
do you see that changing the workforce itself.

Speaker 16 (01:09:21):
Yes, I'm hearing more and more people telling their kids
college isn't worth it, which they're right. There are only
certain jobs that it's really worth going to college. I'm
hearing more people having them rethink that idea that college
is necessary and having them look at the trades. People
like Mike Rhoades talks all the time that there are
and hundreds of thousands of jobs that are available in

(01:09:42):
the trades. But at the same time, you have to
get rid of the people who were illegal immigrants in
this country because in the trades, they are the roofers,
there are the people who are doing construction. These are
typical working class jobs and they are there. So I
think we're going to see a gaping hole within the
trades workforce as well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Adam is always great chatting with you. Thank you and
enjoy the rest of the evening. Thank you, Adam. Thank
you on our newsmaker line. That's Adam Coleman, founder of
Wrong Speak Publishing here on the Rodden Gregg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can arrest more
coming up on the Rotten Greg Show. You know Greg,
Sometime the regime media's bias is so out in the

(01:10:27):
open and so shameless it's almost like jaw dropping, like
did you really do that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I can't stand it. I really can't. I spend so
much time on X on my page just calling this
stuff out because it is an endless source. The media
is so wrong, and there's people that point out when
they do. I just repost it because I just hope
more and more people can see it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:51):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I want you to hear this. This is a case
in point where Secretary of Homeland Security Christy Nome appeared
Sunday on Face the Nation Okay CBS, and they did
an absolute shameless edit of her statement about the illegal
alien the marilynd Man kill mar Obrego Garcia. Now, this

(01:11:12):
is what CBS aired. It's very short Listen to.

Speaker 17 (01:11:15):
This and the one thing that we will continue to
do is to make sure that he doesn't walk for
you in the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Now she said wait a minute here, so she got
a hold of her whole statement. Listen, how it differs
from what CBS aired.

Speaker 17 (01:11:31):
And the one thing that we will continue to do
is to make sure that he doesn't walk for you
in the United States of America. This individual was a
known human smuggler MS thirteen gang member, an individual who
was a wife beater and someone who was so perverted
that he solicited nude photos from minors and even his

(01:11:51):
fellow human traffickers told him to knock it off. He
was so sick in what he was doing and how
he was treating small children. So he needs to never
be in the unit the States of America and our
administration is making sure we're doing all that we can
to bring him to justice.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
You think that tell us a little bit different story.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
There's a little context, there Isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
That a little bit of a different story?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
It sure is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, and that's why I just think that they continue
to lose all credibility. But they are a propaganda machine.
There is no objective journalism going on whatsoever. That is
just a furthering of an agenda. They want every one
of those illegals that came into this country violent or
not to remain here, and it's the highest influx of

(01:12:32):
immigrants since eighteen ninety, as we saw in the chart earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Yeah, well, CBS will claim partially true. Okay, they edit
it for time, that's what they're going to claim. I
tell you that right now. But to leave out a
rather important part of that comment to save time, there's
a little bias in there, just a little in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Well, it leaves out such the selling point. If you're
going to leave something out, leave out the we don't
want him walking around America. If you're not going to
tell them why you don't want them to be in
the country. Just tell them why who he is? Just
give that. That's the better use of time. He's really
giving a better profile of who this individual is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yeah. Now, another point I wanted to bank Gregg last
week following the shooting at the Minneapolis school, Right, you
and I were talking about, you know the fact that
the boy's mother, the man's mother he's not a boy,
allowed him signed the documentation to change the papers change
his name yep, from Robert, from Robert to Robin. Right, Yes, well,

(01:13:33):
Andy Nogu, do you know who Andy Nogud to the
Ring of Andy nogue is a investigative journalist who it
really has the inside story and has been following the
ANTIFA protest up in Portland in which that city has
been basically destroyed. I think in some people's mind, well,
he dig did some digging, and apparently she was forced

(01:13:57):
almost to sign those papers. She was a post to him.
She had told him, you'll regret doing this. But you know,
the media picked up on this. We even brought it up.
We asked, what is the mother doing signing this? But
apparently she was kind of coerced into doing this. And
the person responsible for all of this, the boy's father. Yeah,

(01:14:18):
it was very very liberal, of course, of course, yeah,
I am Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I think these types of stories are going to come
out more and more if we have an honest media.
Although I just saw what was an NBC that's apologizing
that they didn't call the mass murderer she like they
were supposed to. Like they just can't get over this.
This was a guy. But anyway, even he himself and
his manifesto says, I really wish I had done this.
I don't feel like a woman. And at NBC's apologizing

(01:14:47):
that they didn't call him. She I'll tell you. I
just think we're going to have more and more of
this happening. And I think it's happened more often than
I actually appreciated. And I'm seeing more accounts of where
some of this violence has been going on, where they've
done a the meet the regime media has done a
very good job of keeping it out of the you know,
front burner, off the radar.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
She was very strong in her faith, Catholic. She worked
at the school, you know, and as she she told them,
you do this, you will regret it. And what did
he say in his manifesto, I'm tired of brainwashing myself. Yes,
I regret basically what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
And her mother was his mother was attacked for that
and we raised that point as well. So yeah, learn
learn a little bit. Huh All right, mare, coming up
the Rod and Greg Show with you here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine k nrs. Did you
see what we did today to Venzuela.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
There was a drug running boat apparently, and Marco Rubio said,
you deal with drugs, will deal with you. Well, this
boat was out on the ocean, apparently headed to the
United States. The US dropped they dropped a missile or
something on things and went boom.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Well, they classified the video and about thirty seconds after
they turned it into dust. I don't know, actually I
don't know how long it was, but uh, yeah, you
see this boat and they're they're humming along and they
don't even think this thing's coming because you don't see
any of them jumping out and then boom, flash gone.
Just yesterday's news. Yeah, so that that Venezuelan dictator. He's

(01:16:14):
screaming that, oh, they're trying to regime change. You're trying
not trying to regime change. We're trying to stop your
cartel that's running your country. They're your bosses, you know.
And they're telling him you better get all those naval
ships out off the coast. They're they're not letting anything
out and the cartels don't like that. So they're telling
they're telling their minion to get rid of them, and

(01:16:35):
he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
There are a couple of people in Chicago, surprise, surprise,
that apparently do not like Donald Trump. Yeah, the mayor
and the governor of Chicago. And matter of fact, they've
been on a tour, so to speak, over the last
couple of days, walking through the neighborhoods of Chicago, trying
to convince people that everything is safe. Let's find out

(01:16:56):
if it is joining us on our Newsmaker line right now,
is Matt bar Against the editor in chief of the
Illinois Review, Matt, thanks for joining us. They've been on
a tour explaining everything is safe in Chicago. The regular, everyday,
hard working Americans who live in Chicago agree with them.

Speaker 18 (01:17:12):
It's not. And for your listeners, I want to let
them know that Governor Pritzker, who's got presidential ambitions, out
of twelve potential Democratic candidates across the country, he pulled
dead last at just two percent. He had only one
percent support nationally from Blacks and zero percent nationally with
Hispanics and Mayor Johnson, his second in command. There, he

(01:17:36):
has an approval rating of less than six percent, the
lowest approval rating of any mayor in Chicago history. So
consider the source that these two men are not only
completely out of touch, but wildly unpopular, and it's because
of their views. If Chicago didn't have a crime problem,
why did he deploy Why did Governor Pritsker deploy the

(01:17:58):
National Guard during the Democratic National Convention last August to
protect his wealthy billionaire friends and their VIP delegates. But
when people are dying on the streets, including men, women,
and children and babies, he wants to say that there
isn't a crime problem, and he's rebuffing efforts by the
President of the United States to send into the National

(01:18:19):
Guard to help secure the streets. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
So I'm mixed emotion about this because I think that
the message that President Trump is sent to Governor Pritzker
and City of Chicago and it's mayor is look, you
don't have to see people murdered, you don't have to
be a war zone, and people don't deserve to live
this way. And if you can't get your act right,
we'll come in and help people and save people. I

(01:18:43):
liked it because Pritzker and their response was there's no
problem here at all. We don't have any problem, which
actually says to the people of Illinois and Chicago that
the fifty four people shot this holiday weekend and the
seven that are dead is no problem. In fact, they
even had liberals that were protesting in Chicago yesterday about it.
But do you go in with the National Guard? Does
Trump really go in or does he protect them from themselves?

(01:19:05):
And does I mean, I I don't know that even
has the authority if the governor and the mayor say no.
But part of me says, look, you guys voted for
these clowns. What do we do? I mean, I'm a little,
like I said, a mixed emotion. What do you think
is the best way forward?

Speaker 18 (01:19:20):
But it's a great question, one that I get all
the time. And the National Guard is a deterrence. It's
the same reason why nobody ever robs gun shops, right,
And so what happening?

Speaker 16 (01:19:33):
What's happening?

Speaker 18 (01:19:33):
I mean, Governor Pritzker's crime plan looks a lot like
is diet planned?

Speaker 7 (01:19:37):
Right?

Speaker 18 (01:19:38):
Ignored and hope it goes away. But it's not going away.
And what's interesting is he talks about this is a
manufactured crisis, right, Well, ninety percent of Chicago's violent offenders
are freeing out on the streets because they've never been
identified or charged for their crimes. That's not a manufactured crisis.

(01:19:59):
There's over six hundred vacancies of Chicago police officers, resulting
in over two hundred and twenty five thousand high priority
nine one one calls like shots fired, assaultant progress, man
with a knife or gun, they went unanswered because of
our police shortage. That's not a manufactured crisis. Sixty seven
thousand defendants, because of no cash bail, are walking the

(01:20:23):
streets and skipped out on their court hearings. And they
simply got a postcard in the mail saying, well, we
hope you make time to come to your next court hearing.
That that's certainly not a manufactured crisis. Fifty two thousand
migrants roaming the streets of Chicago since twenty twenty two,

(01:20:43):
costing three point one billion dollars while their own residents
are dying and suffering in the streets. That's not a
manufactured crisis. And so you know the idea. And President
Trump just said that, you know, he's going into Chicago.
He didn't give a date, but he's that this weekend
was the Crown Jewel And he's right. As you mentioned before,

(01:21:04):
fifty eight shot eight killed. There were more shootings over
the last three days in the city of Chicago than Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, DC,
and New York City combined. How doesn't take a rocket
scientist to realize we've got a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah, you referenced to Pritzker's Wait just a moment ago,
I thought I saw a story over the weekend that
he's trying to lose that way to a market. By
the way, Mark, I want to ask you about this.
I I you know they talk about, you know, police
and we need more police. Does the Chicago PD have
a difficult time recruiting police officers? And is there enough

(01:21:39):
money there to even pay him?

Speaker 18 (01:21:42):
Well, Chicago's facing next year a one billion dollar deficit
in their budget because they've allocated three point one billion
dollars both the city and state combined for migrants to
take care of the legals while their own residents and
citizens are suffering and dying. The police force, I talked
to many of them on a regular basis. We've got
mental health is a huge problem. We've got high suicide

(01:22:06):
rates among Chicago police officers. They're they're struggling because they
don't have the political support from their political leadership. Their
hands are tied behind their back. They're they're working in
a system in a city that victimizes the criminals and
criminalizes the police.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
I'll give you a.

Speaker 18 (01:22:24):
Perfect example of this. I got to call a couple
of months ago from a couple in the Chicago Land area.
Her husband had been a longtime manager at Walgreens and
individual walked in. They're a criminal, walked in there and
started stealing things off the shelves and literally shoving them
into giant Duffel bags. And this manager stopped them, tackled

(01:22:48):
him and held them down until police arrived. What did
What did their employer do? Their employer terminated him because
he violated their company policy. Policies of a lot of
businesses in downtown Chicago is you don't apprehend the people stealing.
You leave them alone, Tell them they have a great day,
Maybe point them in the direction of some other things
that they can steal. But you can't touch them, and

(01:23:09):
you can't stop them. This type of mentality, this type
of environment, only encourages criminal activity. And where's Governor Pritzker
and Mayor Brandon Johnson. They're asleep at the switch.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
You know. Joe Scarborough, who's no conservative by a long shot,
He asked the governor or the Yeah, the mayor of
Chicago probably seven times in an interview last week, do
you need more police? Do you need do you would
more police help you? And he would evade the question,
evade the question, he asked them over and over and
ultimately his answers, no, we need more community support, on

(01:23:42):
and on. When does that tide turn? So you got
Scarborough from MSNBC or whatever they're calling it now now
no one watches I ask, you know, really kind of
going after him. Are Democrats going to start to get
on the side of public safety or is Scarborough a
voice in the world here?

Speaker 18 (01:24:02):
Well, this is why President Donald Trump has realigned politics
in America. And Politico wrote a story about this about
a week ago and that President Trump was elected on
securing our country, closing our borders and shipping out to
violent and vicious and dangerous migrants from our sanctuary cities
across the country. He was elected in he won big
time on that. On those issues, he flipped several very

(01:24:26):
blue wards in downtown Chicago, he flipped them from blue
to red. So this is a number one issue for
Americans across the country. And what Brandon Johnson has been
talking about. In fact, he said that the way to
solve the crime crisis in Chicago and in major cities
across the country is more affordable housing. We shouldn't be
surprised because it was Brandon Johnson that blamed Richard Nixon

(01:24:50):
for Chicago's crime crisis. Richard Nixon hasn't been Richard Nixon
hasn't been present for what over forty years, and because
he did invest in money into black communities then, and
so we're seeing crime skyrocket because you know, this is
Richard Nixon's fault. Again, this is why Brandon Johnson has

(01:25:10):
a six percent approval rating and every day Chicagoans and
CNN tried this little game on television, on live television,
and they were hoping that the residents would say, we
don't want the National Guard. It was exactly the opposite.
We need the National Guard. We don't feel safe going
to restaurants, or we don't feel safe walking our dog
or walking our kids around our neighborhoods. Please send in

(01:25:33):
the national Guard.

Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
They pivoted and said.

Speaker 18 (01:25:36):
Well, the numbers, the data, the statistics are all showing
that Chicago's getting safer. Don't you feel safer based on
all the data? And the response was overwhelmly no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
On our newsmaker line. Matt Vargas mark, I'm sorry, editor
in chief of the Illinois Review talking about crime in
Chicago and Greg, as you just pointed out, you know
you hear democrats say this all the time. Affordable housing,
affordable housing. If we had affordable housing, we wouldn't have
crime in our cities. Right, most major cities have had
democratic leadership for decades. Why did someone asked, why haven't

(01:26:08):
you done anything about this?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Then? Yeah, they only know how to point fingers and
criticize other people. But they have built nothing. They destroy everything.
They've been running the show in Illinois and in Chicago,
especially Chicago, for generations. You can't find You can't go
back to Richard Nixon and say he's the problem. You
can't go back to the last time you could spot
a Republican and say, well, they were the problem. Yeah,
you're the problem. They are the problem. And I love

(01:26:31):
that Pritzker's saying that it's a manufactured crisis while seven
people died over the weekend and fifty were injured or shot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Yep, yep. The poll has found that most agreed hard
work no longer guarantees you economic gain.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
I don't believe it. Huh, that's fake news. Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
The new poll found the US adults agree hard work
no longer gains are no longer guaranteed, economic game, crushing
the long held cultural belief known as the American dream.
You know that's what it says.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Well, my stepdad told me something when I was young.
He said, look, if hard work we're the key to success,
every coal miner in West Virginia would be multimillionaires.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
That's true coal miner. That's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
And he told me, he said, it's not it's not
what you know, it's who you know. So, you know,
I heard that in the seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
So I wonder what the hardest job in America is today?

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
An America.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Out there working on an oil rig.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
That would be super that's hard work. I saw. I
saw a job in Mexico City where they have to
clean out the sewers underneath the Mexico City. That job
was the worst job I've ever seen in my Yeah,
that's not America.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
I wonder American what the hardest working job is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Right, you can't say producing this show, that's not that
doesn't get up there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
You can you can County right, don't go there, right,
we reject your vote. Hard guy just says, yeah, thank you.
Now speaking of work. The hardest working states in America?
Which one? What do you think would be the hardest

(01:28:10):
working state in America today?

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Man, I would think it would be the states that
that have a lot of like coal mining or would
have extraction industries. So I would say it'd be like
a West Virginia, Texas and Oklahoma, a Utah. But what
is it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Yeah, North Dakota, Okay a lot of work there, ranchers
and stuff like that, car sands, tar sans. Number two.
The state of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Alaska definitely, definitely Alaska's that's hard country.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Do you have a design? Have you ever been to Alana?
Do you have a desire?

Speaker 14 (01:28:40):
Not?

Speaker 8 (01:28:40):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Even I know a lot of people, they love, they fit.
There's great fishing trips you can take, there's hunting trips
you can take. There's a lot. If you're an outdoors
then that's that's like Mecca up there. But but no,
that's that is hard country. That is that is a
hard place for hard people.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
South Dakota came in third.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yes, another place wants to live Hawaiian fifth, Oh please,
there's no way that that Who did this poll?

Speaker 15 (01:29:07):
That seat?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
You had me going And then as soon as you
said Hawaii. Yess where you so hard to live in Hawaii? Yes,
where Utah ranks where twenty fourth? They don't know us, I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Mean most of us long to watch that front.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Let me tell you something. This is the most upwardly
mobile state in America. Wherever you were born in life,
if you want to improve your improve your condition, Utah
is the state where you have the highest odds. So
there's something to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
That, really well, But the hardest working in states North Dakota, Montana.
Let me see, just real quick, I got the list
in front of me here, Hawaii, Virginia, New.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Hampshire, Virginia. Let me tell you some about Virginia. There
is no way Virginia's on that list. I've been to Virginia.
They're lazy in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Wyoming. It don't work Wyoming.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Now I can see Wyoming. That's on Nebraska, Kansas, yes,
cornhou Yeah, in Nebraska, all of work. Not in Virginia, though.
Virginia is a total lie, and so is Hawaii. Those
are fake.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Well that does it for us tonight, as we say
each and every night, head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family in this great country of ours.
How about nights Tuesday. We're back with Wingman Wednesday Tomorrow
at four

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