The Rod and Greg Show: Hulk Hogan; NPR/PBS Brought Defunding Themselves; Gen Z Red Wave

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of course Greg and I are here working our tails
off the way we normally do.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
That's right. Do you.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Realize we get paid to sit on our button talk
sh don't tell anyone.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's a really good gig. I love it so much much.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
People say, man, you work long hours. Well, we do
work long hours, but it's not a physical labor unless
you consider bumping our gums physical labor.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, I I look, I don't be you know, kicking
a gift horse in the mouth are true. But I
am absolutely having a blast and I have no problem
being here because you know it is it is the
state's state. But much like what are they called Patriots
Day in Massachusetts, which isn't a national holiday, but Massachusetts

(00:46):
as a state takes that day off. No one else
in the country knows it. The rest of the country
is just moving out one hundred miles an hour, and
Trump's doing all kinds of things. So there's a lot
happening because it's not considered a holiday around the country.
So we're here to those that have their rightful and
justifiable addiction to the program, and we're here for you.
We're not going to go without so the updated.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, there are people who can't live a day with
OUs you really we kind of like to think we
kind of like those people. Well, I brought our kid
great to be with you on this Pioneer Day already Thursday,
the twenty fourth day of July in twenty twenty five.
Time is moving fast.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Guess what what breaking? E? The network? E Network? Yeah,
the next question, E News Network has been canceled after
thirty two years on the air.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Really, why now they tell it? I tell you what?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Media?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Television is changing?

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Great?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I think the revenue streams are changing. I'm sure
that you, like many networks were just getting a cut
from cable.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Subscribers, I would think they would not.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
And now that they're doing it differently and there's a
lot more streaming, I think that's interrupting that model, which
I like, a model that's more responsive to if you
have a product people actual watch. But yeah, after thirty
two years, I wonder if the view is going to
think this is an attack on democracy the E has
been canceled. I wonder if that's a democratic threat. You know,

(02:10):
probably if they had a left of center political view,
would that be a democratic threat? Well, just threat to democracy?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, constitution, just think of the media changes you mentioned.
I have seeing anything on this. ESPN is apparently buying
the NFL network.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's the worst idea in the world. I hate that
idea so much. I ESPN went woke. I I don't
trust that.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
You can't. You can't watch them any They have ruined my.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Sports now and I've liked the NFL network. The NFL
network has been great. It's not I do not feel
good about this.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, it sounds like it's going to wait and then
you have, you know, the whole fuss over Stephen Colbert
and someone wrote today and we may talk about it
today hopefully maybe tomorrow as well. You know how people
like him ruined late night television. That's right, they ruined.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
They did. They absolutely did. He did. He himself, he
is the author of what was a cultural main stay
late night entertainment, late night programming, entertainment. He personally has
destroyed that. Yeah, because he had His ratings were shrinking
comparative to his predecessors, but his rankings were number one.
So then the other networks they decided, well, let's just

(03:14):
follow his league because he has a higher viewers than
we do. And they, all three of them have made
it unwatchable except for that left of center radical side
that hates all Republicans. But they've they've left all of
America behind. And Stephen Colbert, he destroyed that that show,
but beyond that show, he destroyed a cultural mainstay of

(03:34):
late night entertainment.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah yeah, I mean he went so far politically to
the left, so far that half of Americans said, we
don't even bother watching you. And advertisers look at the
numbers and say, wait a minute, this is not working.
We don't like this. When they went when advertisers start
pulling money from a media operation, that's the telltale sign

(03:55):
they've got trouble.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
And you know, we endured a time, and I hope
that time has Maybe the pendulum is swinging back the
other way. Where advertisers were pulling their their buys from
shows based on the politics of them, like they didn't
want to be canceled or they were it was like
virtue signaling that I didn't like. But I think now
I think everyone's watching the bottom line and if it's

(04:17):
not making money, it's not making sense. And somebody pointed
out it was I was listening to something today where
they said there's a show that's definitely left of center.
They go after Trump a lot, and they've just been
renewed for a large sum of money. Why because it's
very popular. It's I think it's a podcast for something,
but it's it's it's very popular. Actually, I think it
was purchased by paramount or something.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So really so.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Anyway, I I think that will that that should be.
I love the free market of ideas. I like the
free market period. If it makes if it's if it's
profitable and people want it, you have you have yourself
a real product. If people don't want it, you don't
have yourself a product, no matter what the view thinks.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
That's right, that's right. All right, We've got a lot
to get to today. But let's start off the show
today talking about you know, first of all, you had
ozz Osborne, Yes, and then you had Malka What was
a Malcolm Jamal Warner yep. Now we have the Hoakster
age seventy one. We learned this morning that he passed away.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
You always say things come in threes too, Yeah, I
think there's something about that. But yeah, you know, so sad,
it's super sad. I you and I we were both
in Milwaukee for the National Connection, and we saw Halcchin
get up and give this rousing speech for supporting Donald
Trump's candidacy and election, And nothing that we saw would

(05:31):
have ever indicated that that man was just twelve months
away from passing away. I mean, you wouldn't have thought that.
He looked as healthy as a bear. His speech was great,
And I don't know, I you know, look, I I
know we do have someone we're gonna speak. Yeah, but
those WWF WWE whatever they you know, the wrestling studio

(05:52):
wrestling as I grew up watching it, those those athletes
do die early. There's a lot of the Ultimate Warriors.
There's I mean, there's just a lot that have dyed
rowdy roddy piper. I mean, you know, there's a lot
to have passed away early. And I think some of
that is due to potential steroids.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Could certainly could be yes.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, hul kind of made hul Cogan kind of
made it past that window where those fifties and early
sixties where you saw some people die way too early.
He was in his seventies. I don't know. I just
hope it's a lot of cardiac issues that I that
I'm more sensitive to her see more often now than
I remember seeing prior to twenty twenty. Yeah, I'll just
leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Well, this guy, you know, Holgan, come on, an American original.
I mean, if you think about it, this guy gets
into a ring and fights for a living right and
he creates. He creates this persona that you know he's got.
He's got the hair, he's got the mustache, he's got
the you know, the the do rags on the head
is what I think they used to call him, the Hulkster,

(06:52):
the bandanas. I mean, he just created and he it
starts out in the ring, he expands it. I mean
he even showed up in movies. He was in one
of the Rocky movies, Thunderlips, Thunderlips.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
And Rocky three. They were doing a they were doing
one of these like charitable uh you know, exhibitions where
the champion, Rocky the boxer is gonna fight the champion wrestler.
He starts to beat Rocky Balbow up to the point
where Rocky loses his temper and rips his gloves off,
starts to really punch him, and then they break it up.
And then he turned her whole persona changes and he

(07:28):
and he shows that he's just been playing it up
the whole time in the movie, almost playing himself, but
no an institution. He represents America. I mean he's always
I mean he has been the man and uh, I just, oh,
we got to make sure if someone's got to find
Sylvester Stallone, protect that man, go. I mean, make sure

(07:50):
that nothing happens to him. We can't have our icons,
our American icons going away on us.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think the funniest scene in that movie when they're
standing face to face, Hulk Colgan is so much bigger
than I mean Semester Stallone. I mean he's muscled up,
he looks great.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah he's muscled, he's not tall, but then it's really.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Next to Hulk gets like your puny.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yes yeah again. You know, having Hull Cochin, you ask yourself,
why would they ask, you know, hul Cogan to give
it give a speech at the National Republic American because
he represents the everyday people of this country that love
studio wrestling, have grown up watching and loving Hult Cogan,

(08:32):
and he's like he's been one of our great compelling
I think figures in America. And uh, you know he
always told us to eat our vitamins, Sarah prayers. Is
all gonna be okay? Brother, he always told us.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Is that what he told us? I didn't catch that.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
The relationship as well that he has with Donald Trump.
You know, he's there and he's he's really boosting the president.
And we heard his speech at the convention and it
was all American and Donald Trump. And he's right, he
pointed out. I remember one point during his remarks where
he said, they have thrown everything they can at Donald Trump,

(09:08):
and he has stood there and he has fought back.
And I remember the crowd just going crazy with that,
you know, because.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
He you know, fighters respect fighters and in its different
arenas and different things. And you got that from Dana White,
who has who runs the Ultimate Fight Champion offc he
got up as well, and his speech talking about he
doesn't know anyone tougher and and he's in the tough
he's in the tough business, hurting business. Okay, and so
what what uh? What hall Cogan said was absolutely true

(09:37):
about Donald Trump. His his toughness is grit and and
you knew it was coming from a real place. You're
not getting him, I bet you he's never appeared at
a political party's convent nominating convention in his life to speak.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, probably till that moment, probably not.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
And I don't think there'd be very many people other
than uniquely Donald Trump to get someone like haul Cogan
to speak and and uh, you know, make that have
that endorsement. And I again, I just think that that
was a great convention in the everyday people were really highlighted,
not just the political class, but Haul Cogan was the
epitome of the every man for all of us, because
we all just love the Halkster, all of us.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Remember remember when he ripped off the shirt and he
couldn't rip it off completely, and he struggled to rip
it off.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Long in the tooth. The long talk harder to do.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
But little week, are you hooked? All right?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
We're talking more with a beer too. Just last year,
I think you came out with the beer's holding the
big American flag on the cam Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Anyway, all right, we'll talk more about the Holkster, but
we've got a lot more. Get to get to today.
Wait till you hear Gutfeld. Yesterday on the five he
went off against Jessica Tarlov and the media and the Libs.
Wait till you hear what he has to say. That's
all coming up, Just part of a busy Thursday afternoon
here on the Roddy and Greg Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n rs.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I like the seventies, but I was probably my suits
tree probably.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, you're an eighties guy. All right, welcome back. It
is the Rod and Greg Show here on Talk radio
one oh five, Die can Ters. We are saying today
farewell to the Holster Hulk Hogan. I'd got word this morning,
dead at the age of seventy one. Too young, way
too young. Well, let's talk about Hulk Hogan and the

(11:20):
legacy he leads behind. Joining us on our newsmaker line
right now is Kurt Bartella. He is the host of
news Nation called Kurt's Country. Kurt, how are you welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks for joining us,
Thanks for having me. What about the legacy of Hulk Hogan.
What do you make of all this? Kurt?

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Well, I think that the legacy of the Holster. You know,
when you look at modern day portion of ertainment in WWE,
it's not what it is right now, if not for
Faulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan was the very first wrestler to
really break it out into mainstream culture. He made wrestling cool,
He made it okay to be a fan and a

(12:00):
professional wrestling. He helped bridge the nexus between wrestling and
entertainment and music. I think back to the nineteen eighties
where at MTV was first getting started and they had
the rock and wrestling connection with then w w F
now WWEE and how successful that was and having people
like Ozzy Osboe and Alice Cooper, Sydney Lauper come into wrestling.

(12:22):
How that paved the way for the very first WrestleMania
that had Muhammad Ali as a special referee that ful
Cogan main evented. How TV deal started happening at the
at the you know, really the beginning the birth of
cable television, and how wrestling was central to that programming.
NBC had Saturday Nights main event when SML went out

(12:42):
a summer hiatus starring PAULK.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Hogan.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
WrestleMania four and five was was you know, pre booked
by Donald Trump in Atlantic City to host it there
in large part because of the poll the office appeal
of fault Hogan Paul Cogan movies Rocky three on Teaze,
Thunder and Pair FMC and two. There is no Dwaynea
Rock Johnson, John Cena, Dea Fatista in Hollywood if Alk

(13:08):
Togan didn't pave the way for that and being the
first to do it.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, everything you've just said, I say, amen. But I
loved I'm fifty five, I loved rest. You know, studio
wrestling is what we used to call it when I
was growing up. I remember Bruno Semartino, I remember the
Sergeant Slaughter. I remember a lot of these guys. But
you are exactly right.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
It went.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
It went to a next level when when Hall Cogan
arrived on the scene and everything he did from the
time he got into the ring and the movies and everything.
You said, But what is the difference Because they had storylines,
they had extravagant characters in wrestling. What is it about
Hall Cogin that really was the game changer?

Speaker 6 (13:48):
Well, well, I think it's it's his talent, his charisma. Again,
and this is so interesting because back in the eighties
there was no Internet, there was no social media. There's
no way to become an overnight global viral sensation. Those
tools didn't exist. You literally had to do it market
by market, city by city, fan by fan, and something
about Hulk Hogan just jumped off that ring, off that

(14:10):
canvas and onto your screen and it was like a
gravitational pull. And while there were big characters who had
big followings like Stargage Slaughter, like Rodney Peiper, or like
Rick Flair, something about Hope Hogan had just a much
bigger appeal. And the thing about Hogan, if you've never
watched a second of wrestling in your life, you've heard

(14:31):
the name Pulk Hogan. You know he is that wrestling guy.
And there are very few simple of any ecosystem that
are able to transcend their environment, transcend their sport. Pulk
Hogan was one of those people.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Heard.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
We were at the Republican National Convention there last year
when he spoke, and I mean he had he had
that audience eating out of the palm of his hand.
How was he able to make such a connection with
his audience, because they that place went crazy when he
showed up. It was really a lot of fun. How
would is he able to make the connection? What do
you think he did orright? What do you what did
he have to make it.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Just like a political deal. But they weren't political that
I'm telling you no.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
You know, it's like that night, it wasn't about republic
or Democrat. It was about being a whole maniac. And
I think that one of the things that's so powerful
about Pogan, especially when we look at right now, the
time that we have been in the power of nostalgia,
and that just for a second, everyone in that arena
is able to be a kid again. You're able to
tap into that seven eight year old version of yourself

(15:31):
that used to say your first in each vitamin Beau
Pogan told you to. And I think that was the
appeal of him at the at the convention, uh and
why he got the response that he got. I know
that people who aren't wrestling fans and didn't really follow
Pogan my thought it was cheesy or it was corny,
or it was out of date. But to those of
us who did it was it allowed us, for just
ten seconds to be a kid again. And I think

(15:54):
that was a really smart play by Donald Trump to
tap into that at his convention. Much more so then then,
you know, that's the one of the challenge I think
democrats of that politically is the inability to happ into
culture and the way that Republicans can.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
So there's a lot of people that are very popular
in the moment. As time goes on, you kind of
forget them. Are we going to remember hul Cogan? And
if so, what we say about him? What are what?
What's going to be the narrative of hull Coogan going forward?
I'm sad he's so surreal he's not with us. What
how are we going to remember and if so, how
well we will?

Speaker 6 (16:29):
And I think the success of wrestling today, the fact
that WWE has a groundbreak to deal with Netflix that's
wrestling and a ww YouTube channel is the tenth largest
YouTube channel in all the world, tells you that. Well,
let me see if full Toogan has already been appreciated.
If there's a Mount Rushmore of sports entertainment, Haltogan is

(16:50):
the very first base match on that Mount Rushmore. Because
none of this is possible without him, and so that
that's the reason why these moments, the iconic moments him
body slamming Audrey to the giant Russemania three in from
the ninety thousand people, I'm facing off with Wayne to
Rob Johnson, uh Russemania eighteen or Eightsmania seventeen, face to

(17:11):
face you know in the UH in Canada and Toronto,
him turning heel in nineteen ninety four at FASHT speech
shocking the world, turn into bag and the redd and
Yellow for the for the Black and White at the
nWo like these are iconic moments that stand up, test
upon that when you think about wrestling. These are the
moments that flash in your mind and those things last forever.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah they will, Kurt, great conversation, appreciate a few minutes
of your time, Thank you and hope to have you
on again. Thanks Kurt, look forward to a take care guys.
All right, lot Kurt Bartella, he is with News Nation
UH and talking about you know, whole Colgan. Then you've
got admit he made it into a spectacle. I don't know,
wrestling today is a spectacle.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I don't know how much of our audience as they
heard Kirk describe all the WrestleManias and the different opponents
in the different movies. But all of that, every one
of those examples are I've witnessed.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, you just watched you absolutely I loved it. Well,
Ul Colgan, pretty amazing story real quick. We've got him
in here. Read what the President said today. I think
you have that on your on your screen. He paid
a very nice tribute to Huld Colgan. Today.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
We think I think, well, I can't do I can't
find it.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
All right, we'll come back to it after this break.
More coming up. It is the Rotting Greg Show with
you on this Thursday afternoon Pioneer Day here in this
state of Utah on Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay,
n r s.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
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like you know, there is no salary cap, so you
just buy all your players. I just saw a post
that you guys want to buy our best one of
our best players. He's sort of our best player. He
does phenomenal things and then he goes cold. He makes
a dumb decision. So my luck he'll actually get you know,
Yankees will get him and then he'll be great all.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
He'll become read all right, welcome back. It is the
Rotting Greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Can are asked great to be with you
on this Pioneer Day. You know we're fans of the five.
I mean The Five is on right before we go
on the air every afternoon, so we we catch clips
of it. Yeah, and Jessica Tarloff is the lone liberal

(19:16):
on that.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
On that show when Harold Ford's not there, she's.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Harold Ford is much more reasonable and had some common
sense about him, Jessica cut Tarloff.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Not so. No, she slays everybody on that story, or
she tried. She's a good sport about it, because I
don't think they suffer fools lightly on that show. So
I think when she gets says her crazy stuff, they
don't really let it go unresponded to. But I think
it got I think he got a little heated.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It got more so than regular very heated yesterday during
the show because Tarloff was out there defending you know,
Barack Obama and the whole Russian hoax thing and the
fact that Hillary Clinton information in that really Hillary Clinton
was low Ooo, she needs some help and the Russians
expression and tranquilizers among other things. Well, when Gottfeld heard that,

(20:09):
he just said he's had enough, and boy did he
go off.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
It's preposterous that we were talking about Hillary Clinton's emails again.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
And we heard twenty twenty five.

Speaker 9 (20:16):
We spent years on this story. Now, we had to
take this story seriously for years, and it was false.
It wasn't for no, no, no, for people to understand
what happened, all right, because the problem with this story
is that nobody knows what you're talking about. When Trump
won in twenty sixteen, the intel community concluded that Russia.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Didn't have a hand in his victory.

Speaker 9 (20:41):
Instead of accepting the inclusion, Obama determined and wanted a
new conclusion. So we sent Brennan running to come up
with a new collusion that there was some kind of
trivial involvement that then they could feed out to the media.
And coincidentally, dozens of news organizations said that Trump was
in bed with Putin and that somehow Brennan knew, Brendan knew, how.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Did he know?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
There was no truth, there was no proof, there was
no m but no, let me finish.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
They amplified a false conclusion that Trump colluded with Russia
in twenty sixteen. We had to spend years dealing with that,
and now we're actually getting investigation and you're saying, no, you.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Know what, you guys should just move on. You guys
should just move.

Speaker 9 (21:27):
Do you say the same fin thing about Biden's brain.
You guys spent four years telling us that Joe Biden
was fine. You covered up for an invalid, and then
when we get the truth, it's like, oh, you know what,
it's time.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
We got to look forward.

Speaker 9 (21:40):
We got to start talking about what's there. And you
can bring up Epstein all you want. We unlike democrats,
we can handle two things, three things, four things at once.

Speaker 8 (21:49):
We doesn't see.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
No, have you been listening to the right lately?

Speaker 9 (21:54):
The right is more on top of Epstein than the
Democrats are. The Democrats ever cared about Epstein until they
saw a political motivation.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
The right was into the.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
Epstein story because women were being sex traffic.

Speaker 10 (22:07):
We actually cared.

Speaker 9 (22:08):
But now you're like, ooh, Epstein a political angle, ooh
this is fantastic. Save me your selective outrage.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
He went off, didn't he?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I know exactly where he his position is on that. Yeah, no,
it's and it's so true. It is absolutely true. As
soon as you catch them, and by the way, they
would do it all over again. It might be awkward
for the Democrats. He's leftists that we've they've been caught
with this, that released a declassified document. Make no mistake.
If they're ever in power again, and they'll be at
some point, they'll do it again. Sure, there's nothing. All

(22:43):
this is to them is awkward and and what they're
doing is that they are at Hunter Biden level silence
Hunter Biden laptop level silence on this. They are not
reporting it. They are not because they're part of the story.
They've they've got all the people that perpetuated this lie
on their payrolls of their network, so they're not going
to give it any kind of credence. What they do
when they get caught red handed is this, when you

(23:06):
have leaked information that you don't like, and you're a leftist,
all you do is attack the source. If you like
the leaked information, then you talk all about the information, example,
the Watergate stuff deep throat. There isn't any talk about
who inside the White House is a trader that's giving
information and are they reliable? And do we have another source? No, no, no,

(23:28):
it was all taken, you know, as the first gospel truth.
They drop Trump's hack returns at the door of the
New York Times. They don't talk about the illegal behavior,
that that's illegal. What was happened. His tax returns are taken,
They talk about the tax returns, go to wiki leaks. Oh,
now it's showing a lot of embarrassing information. No, what
do they talk about?

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Who did it?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Where did it come from? Who is at Russia? Or
are they colluding with Trump? They go to the source
when they don't like the information, and they embrace the
information when it serves purpose well.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And that's exactly what Jonathan Turley said, well known attorney
on Fox Soon's quite often. He reacted to the news
conference yesterday and the role the media is plain about
in all of this and why they aren't saying anything
about it.

Speaker 11 (24:12):
You know, these are media figures who were looking for
a Russian conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
This is it, and you were part of it.

Speaker 11 (24:18):
That is the Russian conspiracy was to see this false
narrative that would consume the first Trump term.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And it worked, but it wouldn't have worked without the
people in that room.

Speaker 11 (24:30):
You'll notice how they fervently refused despite Tulsa's efforts to
address the evidence that she just released.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
That's consistent with what they did during the first term.

Speaker 11 (24:42):
They weren't interested in looking at evidence that contradicted the narrative.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
They're still not interested.

Speaker 11 (24:48):
Because it implicates not just these high level officials, it
implicates them.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's a great pickup on the part of Jonathan Trolley.
In that news conference yesterday, here's Tulsey Gabbert talking about
all of the very few questions were directed toward her
about this.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
They went off on Epstein, Epstein, Now, are you just
doing this to try and get it in good favor
with the president? After questions?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Iculous question?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
That was yeah. And and I will tell you this,
They keep trying to conflate a couple issues. They keep
trying to conflate the idea that that Russia was trying
to undermine the confidence in our elections. That is true, Okay,
but that is true. And I hate to say it,
but I think the CIA in the United States does
this in other countries against adversaries they don't want to
see win elections. But did Russia have boughts and did

(25:34):
they try to undermine the confidence? Yes? Did they have
a did they have a horse in the race?

Speaker 5 (25:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
The regime media and the leftists and all these characters
in the Obama administration, including President Obama, wanted the American
people to believe that Russia and Putin had a favorite
person they wanted to win, that was Trump, that they
were working with his campaign, That that they had blackmail
on them through the DOSSI the Steel doss which was

(26:00):
which was has been proven to be false, and that
and that they were feeding information to not only did
they want them to win, but they were working to
towards that end. What the what the intelligence that's been
finally really revealed shows is that they assumed and believed
that Hillary Clinton would win. That's why they withheld the
They didn't actually go public with the health information they

(26:23):
had about her that was compromising because they thought she
was going to win. They had no direct involvement whatsoever
with the Trump campaign as was being lied about and
talked about, and so they didn't think he was going
to win. They didn't help him directly, and the stuff
that and they thought she was going to win, and
they held back stuff because they thought when she won
they could use it later. All everything I said before

(26:43):
is what you've only heard for five years or longer.
And actually since what seventeen Yeah, and and what was
revealed yesterday, the media has ignored entirely.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Sure, they have completely all right, We've got a lot
more to get to today on this Pioneer Day edition
of The Rod and Great Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine k n rs. It's Pioneer Day.
Yes right, my wife is an answer. Had ancestors who
were pioneers came across and one of the Willie hen
Card companies.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Who cares, I'm the pioneer my family.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
You came across the planes, you just dashed my poor wife.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I'm just saying, you know you're living off to the
you know the work of people long ago. I'm actually
the pioneer. You one. I I got on those planes
and I headed I tried wagons West, Baby Suzuki, Samurai West.
It was a ragtop. It was a it was a
it was a canvas top. You know when it gets
when that you get Nebraska and it starts blowing that

(27:39):
when he's going you changed lanes. You didn't even know
you're gonna change.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
I hear.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Nebraska is just horrible to drive through.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
It's long. It's like ten hours. I'm telling you, at
least ten hours. It's empty. And I I have I
ran out of so, I ran out of gas because
I would do this thing. Where I would not stop.
I would try to try to blaze through the whole
way through and not sleep. And I'm the middle of
the night, and yeah, you don't. If you have a
quarter tank and you don't fill up, you're in trouble, Nebraska,

(28:06):
in the middle of the night, you are trouble. And
so yeah, no, so I you know, I'm the pioneer.
I'm the pioneer. I am the pioneer stock in my family.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
New study out today, Greg trying to answer this question,
when is it an appropriate age to let your children
have a cell phone?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
We're back to this again. I don't know. Well, I
don't know if it's getting younger or if we should
wait longer. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
New study out today, the released this week, found that
using smartphones before the age of thirteen can damage a
child's mental health.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Good grief, All right, Well I'm not I don't have
any kids there that.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Neither do I neither. I do have grandchildren, and my
children are do a really good job. One of them,
who's fourteen now or almost fourteen, has a cell phone.
The others do not. Yeah, they're just alling well aware
of that. They have little phones that they can call
mom and dad on but not a not a cell
phone like that. But if mom and dad, if you're

(29:08):
out there, just be be aware of that.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
All right.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
A lot of people say, I know you're into health.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm a health freak.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, you sure are.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
All my red bulls.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
A lot of people. You need to take ten thousand
steps a day to be healthy.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Have you seen that new study? Nope? Seven seven steps, No,
seven thousand steps.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'm gonna say it's seven. I've rocked that, sad. I
got that stat down coming in here. Seven steps in.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
They say the ten thousand, that's a little too aggressive.
Seven thousand, just five.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I think if you walked. I think if you walk
ten thousand steps every day and you just ate normally,
you didn't just gorge yourself. I think you lose weight.
I think you burn more calories than you consider. Yeah,
I think, yeah, I think that's a good way to
lose weight.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, when we come back the five o'clock hour, this
being Pioneer Day, we're going to harken back to the
good old days. You go back in time, back in
time a little bit and see what you would do today.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yes, I'm gonna compare some generations here.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Boats phones will be open
to you as well. Laur coming up our number two
of the Rotting Great Show. Thinking about that speech he
gave it the R and C we were there. That
was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, he looks like I like a million bucks. It's
just so hard to believe that guy is going to
be you know, room temperature a year later. It's just
I cannot believe he's passed away.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, being said about him too.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
And you know what, I think there's been even recent
appearances of Hulcogan and he looked healthy. He looked good.
So it's just too bad. It's just such a sad
thing to see someone that you know, just he's part
of the fabric of the country in terms of, you know,
his presence and everything else. So rest in peace, Hulkster.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's too bad, all right. We want a couple of
things on Pioneer Day today. You made me aware of
this this social media post. I think it's from someone
called a GK is that right? And they and this
guy flies thrones over Pioneer.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Park, Yes, to show you the human carnage to see.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
What he had one today where these two men are
just fighting it out in Pioneer Park. And you know what,
we can celebrate all we want, right, but if there's
one thing this state or this city should do, would
be to clear up Pioneer Park. How many attempts have
been made over the years to do that, Greg, This
where the Pioneers settled in their first winter, and we've

(31:28):
just you know, we invested a lot of money, we
put in night sidewalks, they did a lot a lot
of renovation, and now it's just fallen back to what
it is again, lack of leadership.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm going to tell you that I don't have any
faith in the mayor of the city council. And so
because they think that they have this belief that that
motion is action. They think that if they're moving, if
they're holding meetings and convening and listening, that that's actually working.
That's doing nothing. Okay, when you make decisions, you're not
going to make the world everybody happy universally, because decisions

(31:59):
are inherently hard, or they would have already been made,
and they don't have the political will and they don't
have the courage to make hard decisions. And the issues
going on in Salt Lake City require leadership, which also
requires tough decisions to be made. They have a chief
of police who I do believe in, Brian Redd, who
couldn't handle it. I will tell you that if that
place where there's urban decay and urban renewals, so you've

(32:21):
got construction and urban renewal happening, and the same exact
city block where urban decay is still going on, if
they don't get a handle on it, with the leadership
of a chief of police like Brian Read, it's never
going to get better. It's only going to get worse.
I would tell you to sell and leave if they
can't if he can't get a handle on it, because
if he can't do it, there's no one that's going to.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Be Yeah, yeah, I mean I'll watch that video and said,
wait a minute, how much money did we invest into
the fixing up that park and trying to make it
nice again where families could get there and injury? Remember
I remember the years ago when all this was going on.
I challenged Governor Herbert to a tennis match. I said,
once they get the tennis the tennis courts set up
down there, you and I'll play tennis down there and.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Look there was a lot done to help clean that up,
and there was a lot of almost like economies of
scale for the homeless, like a costco of homelessness, where
the cartels just had everybody where they needed them there.
So they put resource centers that were for women, single
women or women with children over here, and high risk
males over there, and they tried to to central you know,

(33:23):
try to decentralize it so it wasn't so were it
wasn't a magnet for all the criminality. But here we are,
how many years later, and it's just the same stuff
going on.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Pioneered unbelievable. Now, the other question we wanted to do
on Pioneer. You were joking a little bit that you're
a pioneer I am, because you came across the Plaines, Yes,
through Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I eighty, all the way from Pittsburgh, all the way
in the solid a pioneer.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Could you do what the original pioneers did?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Not a chance? Well, we're all born in different eras,
and I think that you know, if I was in
that air with the with the you know, the hand
carts and the ox and I would just say, Okay,
I'm gonna hang back here. I'll just keep you know
you're going to give. I'll be here, I'll point, I'll
help them get there. I'll be a coordinator back here
in cities. Okay, I'm a city slicker. You go, I

(34:10):
will help you. Don't call me, I'll call you. That's
what I would. I wouldn't be able to do it.
That said the era I grew up in born in
sixty nine, so in the seventies and eighties, and I
know you in the what nineteen tens, twenties, I don't
know when, but I think our eras would be very,
very difficult for our younger people. Yeah today, So I

(34:32):
will admit that I don't know that I have what
it takes to be a pioneer. But I don't think
these kids today could live in the seventies and eighties.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Okay, if you were asked today, yes, to lead a
group of kids on a pioneer track that they recreate
in the Church of Jesus Christ, the Letter Day Saints.
And I know a lot of people have done it.
The kids seem to enjoy it. It's a really wonderful
experience for these kids. Would you do it?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I would start smoking so they would fee uncomfortable asking me,
and I would I would tell them I'm a chain smoker. Yes,
but I'm a chain smoker, and they would say no,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Then I take Jack Daniels.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I would put something on my breast so they would say, no,
we don't need this.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Gus, we don't think we need you.

Speaker 11 (35:13):
I have.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I have skillfully avoided such assignments in my life.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I well, you know, I've always had the excuse I
can't work. Work just takes too much time.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yes, that's that's it.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
We have an excuse. Now. We have three hours of
radio to do every day.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And we have to be here. Our our audience, very
very very close to.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Me, demand that now go back to what you were
saying about kids, what we did in the sixties, seventies,
maybe even the eighties, and if kids could do it
and get away with it, or even try to stay
alive in it today.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I have a clip, okay, and it's It's It says
it's the gen X kids. But I think that the
circumstances that they narrate you are very familiar to you.
And the title of this clip is modern young people
couldn't make it, and the world that we grew up
in so you can't see the pictures associated with this
or the video associated this, But I think the narration

(36:08):
says it all.

Speaker 12 (36:09):
My gen x is practically unbreakable. The lawn furniture could
eat you alive. Vending machines sold cigarettes to anyone, yes,
even kids.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
No ID, no problem.

Speaker 12 (36:20):
Car designs basically encouraged secondhand smoke. We were trapped in
rolling ash trays dodgeball that was less of a game,
more like a full on war. We walked miles to
school rain or shine while our parents were off working.
Come summer, we risked third degree burns just going down
a metal slide.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (36:39):
People smoked in restaurants too. We grew up in a
cloud of secondhand smoke. Playgrounds had zero safety features, and
somehow we survived. When the street lights came on, that
was your signal to go home, no phone call needed.
Imagine eating pizza with a creepy stuffed animal staring into
your soul.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
That was normal.

Speaker 12 (36:58):
So computers at home meant our hand writing actually looked good.
While our parents were grinding at work, we took care
of the house. We covered our textbooks with grocery store
paper bags DIY style. Streaming didn't exist, so we actually
paid attention to real life.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Did you live through all this?

Speaker 10 (37:16):
We did? We did you?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
And I did absolutely.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I was always jealous of those kids in school whose
books were covered perfectly with a paper bag. I know,
mine looked like a mess and it fell apart after
like two days, but these other kids all year and
at the end of the year that book looked as
pristine as it did the first day of school.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
The kids were the fancy. The fancy pants in my
school were the ones that had book cover. You could
buy sheets of paper that were for your book to cover.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Your boy, you had that, Yeah, we didn't.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I didn't do that. I used I used they store bags,
the brown bag. I used. A lot of the kids
had the the paper that they you could buy it
km Art or something that they had different, you know,
designs on it. Now, I used the brown paper bags
for mine, and I didn't you know, they weren't They
weren't done very you know exact they were. It was
a bit rough. But yeah, second hand smoke. How I

(38:08):
talked about the the cars were rolling ashtrays. It's one
hundred percent true.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I just love it because I went through all of
this selling cigarettes and vending machine. Yes, do they even
sell cigarettes and vending machines anymore?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I don't think it's in a bar. Maybe they do
in bars.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, in the cars, okay. I remember riding in the
front seat of my car City and my dad's lap
and he'd let me steer.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah. I would sit on the arm rest of my
mother's Plymouth satellite because so I could see over the
over the dashboard. It was like a booster.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
My wife tells me in the story is a kid.
She'd crawl in the back window and lay down and
fall asleep.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, see that's like a launchpad. That that that's you know,
the the arm rest that you're sitting on. Oh, if
you're Aaron reck, you would just go right through the window.
But I saw it as no seatbelt and I could
see over the top.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
You go.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I mean, I love the dodgeball. I still played Dodgeable.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I would we call a war We had other names
for it, but I can't even.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
I love this. Going down a metal slide, it would
burn it. You can't find metal slides anymore.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Can you have to lean back so your legs, your shorts,
your legs didn't touch that hot metal and get burned
on the way down.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Or the plateground to coop mam. There that merry go
round thing where you'd get going and hang on for dear,
you'd fly off.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I didn't get in trouble in the recess. I would
push that so fast. The girls will be hanging on.
All of a sudden, you know, some tropical force pull
them away. They go flying off. I get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
The signal late at night, the lights come on, time
to go home, exactly that. That was part of it.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
The seat belts who wore seat belts back then couldn't
find them buried in the cushions somewhere.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
So it's a great question to ask today. Could today's
kids handle what we had to handle?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Well, we were growing yaid there's no internet, so you
had to pay attention.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
You pay attention, You had to talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You had to actually write things down that you could read. Okay,
so you have to have some pen kit and.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
You could write. You actually could write.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
That's right. So today's kids actually handle it. That's the question.
Eight at eight five seven zero eight zero one zero.
We're gonna want to hear from you. Is there do
you think they could yes or no? And then is
there anything that you remember from your childhood that you
just think doesn't translate in.

Speaker 13 (40:23):
Yeah, kids today pillows we call kids work today eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Or on your cell phone, just dial pound two fifty
and say hey Rod Len get back on the mic,
dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod. Or our
talkback line. Just go to knars dot com. Look for
the little microphone up in the right hand corner, Click
on that and leave us a message. We'll get to
your calls and comments. We talk about things that kids
handled back what we were growing up, but could they
handle today. One of the things we experienced. Remember going

(40:57):
to a pizza place and not have and have you know,
stuffed animals at you.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
You look through your soul through chuck and cheese.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Remember remember on a hot day like today, you'd slide
down a slide. It's a metal slide. You burn the
daylights out of your legs.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
My playgrounds that I played in Pittsburgh, they had they
had like a fire truck that they put up on
blocks and you could crawl over. Really they had a
tank military military tank. Yeah, it has sharp edges. I mean,
I don't know how the kids would survive today. I
mean because you know it would if you if you
fell off of it, you might get hurt.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
I think. Remember riding a bike without a helmet.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, I still won't. I don't wearing a helmet, right,
won't ride I never get there because I won't get
on a bicycle because I'm an adult, so I won't
have to ever worry about riding and putting the helmet
all to ride the bicycle.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
I remember playing a game called dodgeball, called to a War,
there were other names, of.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Course, there's other names. That game is a brutal game,
but it's a beautiful game game of survival. Yeah, you're early.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Could kids in the world that we grew up in.
Good kids today live in the world that we grew
up in without any all these safety features.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
I think they're soft as pillows.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, well let's find out. Let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Let's go to Jeanine and Lehigh. Janine, Well, thank you
for holding. Welcome to the Ron and Greg show.

Speaker 13 (42:17):
Hi.

Speaker 10 (42:18):
I love you guys. You guys cook dinner with me
every day.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
What's for dinner? Tonight, jannye, what's for dinner tonight?

Speaker 10 (42:25):
I'm you know what, I'm making breakfast burritos. I'm chopping
onions right now. And get care off us. My dog
is just trying to eat my sausage down.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Sorry, my gos go ahead, jannye.

Speaker 10 (42:41):
Okay, So what I had to say was when I
was born, my parents were both you know, middle class,
hard working, both working all the time. So my dad
couldn't be there when I was born. So my mom
took me home from the hospital in a turkey baking
pan that she had strapped the seatbelt, and I had

(43:05):
come early. I don't even know if they had like
part well, usually the husband could be there, but either way,
they didn't have a bassinet or anything. So she I
would sleep next to them in the top drawer of
their dresser.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
That is not that is not strange. That sounds very
familiar to me.

Speaker 10 (43:27):
That sounds like everything everything that you guys said. It's
no kids cannot survive this today.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
I mean CPS would be called on.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
You're right, Janine, Thank you for listening. Enjoyed dinner to
night sounds good. She's making breakfast. Three. The dog can
stay out of the saucer.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, keep the dog out of there. But I'm telling you,
breakfast is good at any time of the day.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
It is, it is, It is all right. Let's go
back to the phones. Let's talk with Rob in Sandy
to night here on the rodden Greg show, Hi, Rob, how.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
Are you.

Speaker 12 (43:59):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (44:00):
I'm fine. How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You're doing just super Thank you, Rob. Thanks for asking.
What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 7 (44:06):
Well, they would never survive.

Speaker 14 (44:08):
Now.

Speaker 7 (44:09):
When I was thirteen, the year before Greg was born,
I got caught at the towbooth on the New Jersey
Garden State Parkway by a state trooper because I was
trying to hitchhike to Woodstock, and he took me home
to the local police, who took me to my father's office.

(44:31):
And he was a blue collar worker and he wasn't
very happy. So I don't think anybody hitchhikes anymore. Yeah,
And I had the Merry go Round thing, Greg. We
did it the girls boys and we had dodgeball in
grammar school. Oh yeah, and it was it was vicious.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, Rob, I want to know, did you ever get
to Woodstock or was that that the the situation right
into didn't let you get there.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
No, they told me if they caught me again, there'd
be severe consequences. And they put it on my permanent record,
which I'm going back to my grammar school to try
to find my permanent record.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, exactly. It sounds very daunting. I've never really spotted
that permanent record you talked about.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
You know, Woodstock wasn't in New York, and I grew
up in upstate New York. Do you think my mother
would even let me go down to Woodstock?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
No, I don't think any responsible years old me and
a bunch of guys.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
It's just a music concert, will be back. Yeah right,
I'm telling you it. She didn't buy it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
So I used to babysit myself a lot. My mother works,
Oh she's a single mom, So I spent a lot
of time. I was like a feral child. I was like,
you know, raised by wolves nearly. I just kind of
ran around.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Crampall would watch me in the summertimes, and I got
in so much trouble one summer that I had to go.
I was not allowed to be left alone during the
summer because my mother worked.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Uh, and so they under like adult supervision.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Now I had to go to this place where you
send rotten kids that you can't leave alone during the summertime.
So I had to go there to Yeah, I got
in three fights the first day, but then you kind
of had to establish yourself that way.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah, you have to. So yeah, is that spot.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, because you know, kids started smoking and misbehaving at
an early age, especially when you're not being supervised. So anyway,
it's just a different time, differ diferent time.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
But like we survived, Yes, my question is could the
kids of today survive?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
That is the question could these kids?

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Now?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I got my kids are young adults right now, and
I'm I I don't. I can tell you for sure,
not all three of these kids, because the time I'm there,
I could how how how much they I think they
could or couldn't. It's not all the same, but I
know one wouldn't have a prayer eight eight five eight
zero one zero, trip eight five seven eight zero one zero.

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nine k n rs.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Could the younglings of today survive in the eras in
which we grew up in? And so it's great discussion,
great examples too. We're having callers. Listeners are calling and
sharing great examples of how they were raised and the
circumstances around it. And uh, you know, you don't see
that we survive today, but here we are.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
We survived without bike helmets.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
That's right, Yes, absolutely, I used to You're right BMX
bikes we jump, Oh we jump crazy. We put kids
underneath us and jump over them. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Were you one of those kids that put baseball cards
on your bike?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
And maybe it sound like an in that, but we'd
line up on the bus on the bus ride to school.
We'd line up the cards on the on the school
bus and we'd flip at them.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And then the winter that gets the last card.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Gets try and get one in a hat, and we did.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
We just we would just throw them at the knock
on you buy baseball cards, Oh absolutely, football cards best
bubble gum in the world came out of baseball car
The very centate would kind of it would kind of
break up the good stuff good.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
All right, all right, let's go to the phones, or
let's go to our talk back line right down and
see what some of our listeners had to say about
if kids could handle what we experienced.

Speaker 15 (48:25):
Hello from augen Utah. I remember when I was ten,
Uh my uncle owned down. It'll b w I uh
laid in the way back seat there. I was able
to handle me just fine. And my mom was the airbag.
I was on the right side and that we had

(48:46):
a close call. Her arm went in front of my chest.
So if she was the airbag to keep me from
going through the.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Windshield, that's a great what's happened to me? My mom
was the air bag that automatic I thought about.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Arm bar, crush or chest so you don't keep flying now.
That happened to me countless sometimes, my mom. That's great,
great line. You gotta be strong too.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I think the kids, it's the toys.

Speaker 11 (49:14):
The toys nowadays can't handle what we used to put
toys through.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
That's the honest truth.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I think they make toys so cheap they just fall
apart what we used.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
To do with them.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I amen to that. I mean we'd fly them off roofs. Yes,
we would see him crash.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, I mean I had an evil can eevil, a
little that you just wind it up and it was
like a motorcycle thing. You just take off thing and
you'd wind it up and then you'd go take off
jump things with it. Yeah, I had I had a
six million dollar man bionic man. You could see through
the back of his head. You could see through like
you had an I bionic eye. I had a G
I Joe. I had big g I Joe, not the
little g I Joe. I had army men. I had

(49:52):
blocks I had. I had trucks and Tonka remember the
Tonka trucks with the dump trucks.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Had all of it.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, all the cool stuff.

Speaker 7 (50:00):
Man.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I had stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
And I was kind of my mom and my grandmother
and my aunt, but they spoiled me as a little boy.
They gave me all the good stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I was lucky to get a stick.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Well, that's because you had competition. You had brothers, you
had siblings.

Speaker 16 (50:12):
I was.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I had five brothers and my grandmother's my.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Grandmother and my aunt, my mom. You know, at least
in those first years that I was, I was treated
pretty well.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Now I'm I'm like you, my father I think I've
told you this before. Was the thirteenth of fifteen children. Yeah,
you know, he didn't have much when he was growing up.
I mean you're thirteen and fifteen, you're at the tail end, buddy,
good luck, right, But as kids, for Christmas, my dad
would go overboard.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah that's fun.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I mean it was like geesh, dad, Not that we complained,
but you know, I remember, and then we'll get back
to our comments. I remember one year he got my
older brother meet brand new bicycles. Yes, my older brother
got a ten speed you know when you know, you know,
and I can't remember, had the little bar that they're

(50:59):
like you yeah, yeah. And then I got one with
a big spring cushion on the front of it. Right. Ye,
first day I drove it, rent it into a tree.
Never works again, Never works again. All right, let's go
back to our talk backline.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Ryan in South Jordan, Yeah, I completely agree with both
of you about how different the generations are. I'm Generation
X and I grew up playing like tackle football in
the middle of the street, uh, you know, blood and everything,
and these kids couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, they couldn't tackle football in the middle of the
street we'd play. We'd play road hockey. Yeah, no equipment
on whatsoever. I took my brother's tooth out once because
I got so mad at him, shot a puck right
in his face.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
That's funny. Did you lose a tooth?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Oh wat? I big chip lived with that chip for
several years. Finally got it fixed.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
But yeah, yeah, no, that's good. No. I we played
tackle football. We'd play in the fall and wintertime. We'd
play football. Now not always not on the street. We'd
play that at night, maybe under the lights. And I
got older, but but we used to play in fields
and uh dirt fields. But we played tack football fall
and winter, and then we play baseball spring and spring

(52:19):
in the summer.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
But it was always fun playing football after it drained
and it was muddy. Oh yeah, and you get in
the field and you just get dirty, and you know what,
we'd sled right. We go find places of sled right
in the woods too, where you where you would like be.
You have to miss trees, like you had to navigate
down the hill. You couldn't just it wasn't something like
empty hill to go down. You went down a hill,

(52:41):
but it was like a deer path, and so you
had trees all around. Did you have a sled or
that you would lay, you know, belly down face, yeah,
with that, or did you have a a plastic inner two?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, there were some kids that would have almost like those,
those what they call sleds that look like little tubs. Yea, then,
but I had the one that is like Christmas what
was it the Christmas Store whatever, where it's it's wood
and that has you can get on your stomach. And
they had the two it has those two rails on it.
But but no, we we'd pick up some serious speed

(53:17):
on those. And if you got it, if you got
a good hill and you had a little bit of
a clearing, you could make a jump at the end,
Yeah you could, and then you jump it.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
And the cars were coming tough, and then you you
beat the car.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
You'd start that after school and you bundle up and
you get out there, and then you would just be
covered in sweat by the time you were done, and
you were just I can't remember walking home and get dark.
So you're walking home and I'm just my the heat
is just radiating off my bike and I am not
cold at all. I'm just so hot walking home, you know,
walking in the in the in the night, that great

(53:51):
scene from Christmas Story. I can't put my from down,
I can't put my arms down.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
We dressed up like that too. All right, Mark coming
up here on the and Greg Show on This Pioneer
Day and Talk Radio one oh five nine k nrs.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Okay, let's go back to the phone. Do you want
to go back to the phone.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yah, we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Okay, So to set it up, if you haven't been listening,
or if you've just joined us, we're comparing eras I
admit on Pioneer Day, I don't know if I could
have been the pioneer to walk across the planes, I couldn't.
I think i'd have just given directions from back east.
This is where they'll go. I want to be helpful,
but I don't know. But my generation growing up in
the seventies and eighties. I look at today's kids. I

(54:30):
think they're soft as pillows. I don't know that they
can survive. So we've been sharing and in you I
don't I don't know what area you're claiming here on.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
But but where I'm claiming, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Know which one, what decade you want to pretend you're
from We know it's ancient, but no, but we we
have some fond memories of the way we grew up.
We're still here, we're alive and well, and so we've
been enjoying our listeners as well, sharing their memories. So
let's go to the phones, and let's go to Richard,
who's in. I know, Richard, thank you for holding. Welcome
to the Ron and Greg Show.

Speaker 14 (55:04):
Hey, thanks guys. Hey, I don't know if you remember
a thing called hooky bob In the winter time, your
mother would put bread bags over your shoes, and uh,
you'd go out and play. And if there was a
car coming up the street on that packed snow or
I should run out behind it and grab the bumper

(55:26):
and uh, let it slides up the street to your
buddy's house and try to shoot into the driveway without
falling down.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
That is awesome.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I remember that because where I grew up in upstate
New York, we got a lot of snow. Right. Yes,
I remember the plastic I remember the plastics bag bags.
My mom there were bread bags basically really and you
put your yeah, you'd put your foot in it. Then
you put that in the boot and you wouldn't feel
the moisture, it wouldn't get wet, your feet would be protected.
The boot may have leaked, but you wouldn't feel it

(55:55):
because of the plastic bag. And then yeah, we used
to hook on cards right as long as we could, Richard.
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So I remember putting the bag. I put bags on
my shoes to not get them wet because I have
because I wouldn't have. But I don't.

Speaker 14 (56:09):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I didn't On that course, I was robbed of this experience.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
That was fun stuff. That was fun stuff, Richard. Richard, Yeah,
that was fun stuff. You know what we did later
on once skateboards came out, the original skateboards. I went
around then they did come out. Wow, and we get
behind a buddy's car and it's almost like uh uh
out on the water and behind a boat that's so
little rascals.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I saw water so the so the skateboard you had
to had like the big wood carton on the front. No, no, no, no, no, no, yeah,
I think Alfalfa had one of those.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yeah, it was like water skiing, but it'd be street skiing.
And we do that and in a buddy's car.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I didn't do that that.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I didn't do either.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
You lived such a safe life.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
No, Well, I mean, you know, you could pack a
lot of kids in a back of a truck by
the way I pickup truck you get around.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Can you even do that anymore?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
I think it's against the law, hasn't it.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And my son when he was younger, he just was
on a moped. He got pulled over by five oho
for being on a moped.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I don't know if you could be sitting in the
back of a truck.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I have heard here, and I've heard people in Idaho
talk about it before. If you live out on the farm,
you're looking for fun things to do. Kids do kind
of crazy fun thing. But they get in an irrigation canal, yes,
I've heard of it, And they hook up a truck
to a willer rope and they take you down the
road and you're surfing in the irrigation canal. I've heard
that before.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, I've heard. I never did that, but I've heard
about that as another way to water ski, you know,
holding back behind a truck. How about this for sayings,
I don't hear these sayings anymore. But I'll give you
something to cry about. Was you ever told that? Oh yeah,
and I've been going to keep crying. I'm gonna give
you something. Oh yeah, when you're hurt, you you got

(57:55):
I remember once I was trying to get the bus
and my mother was driving me the bus.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I was late.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
She's just driving me up from where we lived to
get there, and I was jumping out of the car
while it was still coming to a stop. In the
car back wheel ran over my foot. Ouch, and so
I was I was saying ouch, and I was thinking
that maybe I could miss school for it, and my
mother yelled out, walk it off, just walk it off.
Get to the bus. They're waiting for you. Walk it off.

(58:20):
So they walk it off. That's a popular one. My
grandmother used to tell me that when we go and
we'd have company, you know, you have like the little
ginger rails for company when they give children are to
be seen in.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yes, oh yeah, yeah, block knife, but shut up, all right,
that was not her. Our number three is coming up
on the rod and great show. Some cases getting a
little crowded, it.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Is, But you know what I mean, I am really
surprised that on this holiday We have our great listeners.
Let they're falling in, yeah, leaving messages on our talk
back line. It's a I know, the us of the country.
It's not a holiday, but it's a state holiday. But
our listeners are hanging with us. And there's the country
still moving. Things are still happening.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
We got we got your need making dinner listen to
us tonight. That's right, And I think it was Lehigh.
She's making breakfast burritos for dinner.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I love it sounds those are good.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Good.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
You know, the world doesn't stop for us, you know,
things to keep happening. So we were here to report
it and comment.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, yeah, accordingly. Yeah. Well, contained in the big beautiful
bill that the President got the members of Congress to
pass sign into law, there is no more money for
public broadcasting in this country. NPR and PBS brought defunding
on themselves, did they. That's what our next guest has
to say. Mike Gonzales, Senior Fellow at the Foreign Policy

(59:44):
at Heritage Institute. Always great having Mike on the show. Mike,
how why are you welcome back to the Rodding Greg Show.

Speaker 17 (59:49):
Thanks for joining us, Mike, Hey, guys, First of all,
I love your state. I love the drive from the
airport's Soul Lake. It's one of the best drives because
you see the rockies, you see the flowers. If it's
the right time of the year, it's a It's a
really great, great, great state. I'm in Yale right now.
I just drove into Yale University, so, of course is

(01:00:10):
eight pm. So we're hearing a lot of police sirens
outside the hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Oh sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
You're in the belly of Beast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, yeah, see if you go that, can you can
you turn that university around while you're there overnight, Mike?
Or is that too big of a task to do
in one day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I'm going to try.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:00:27):
I keep saying inside of heritage and outside that we
cannot abandon the ives. You know, the ivies do not
belong to the left. We need to fight for them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
You know. It's amazing that the diversity of thought, they're
even let you on campus. I think that's actually a
step in the right direction. Sadly, well, I was.

Speaker 17 (01:00:44):
I was debating a guy from Harvard the other day
and I think, thank in London, we're doing it in zoom.
And I said that the that it was nine to
nine percent the professors of nine nine percent liberal and
one percent and that's in zero percent conservative because I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Don't know where you're getting those numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
It was like the Harvard person, awkward, Well, Mike, let's
take a minute. Let's take a minute right now, Mike,
and talk to you about NPR and PBS and it's funding.
You're right, they kind of did this to themselves. What
do you think happened, Mike?

Speaker 17 (01:01:17):
So so, yeah, today the President signed the recision bill.
It was not contained in the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Big beautiful bill.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Oh that's right, right, that's right.

Speaker 17 (01:01:23):
It was a clever thing. It was the recision bill
in which the administration is able to claw back monies
that the Congress has already authorized, is already appropriated. And
so when in the budget, as you know, the Senate
needs sixty bogus to reach a compromise with a recision bill,

(01:01:44):
you do not just to do within forty five days
of the president's request. And they happened within forty four days,
so it was just in time. The President signed it today,
and yeah, I'd say it's pretty historic. You know, the uh,
every precedent or Congress, every conservative person or Congress and
s LBJ signed the Public Broadcasting Act in nineteen sixty seven,

(01:02:08):
has tried to do this and they have all failed.
And I'm talking about real giants here, people I admire
like Reagan, like Gangridge, like Anthony Scalia, who was a
lawyer in the Nixon White House in nineteen seventy one,
you know, and Donald Trump for all you know, people
hate him and all that. He comes in and he
does it like you're doing a lot of things. So yeah, no,

(01:02:29):
this is a historic thing that happened today. Truly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yes, Now, Mike, I'll tell you that we're winning so much,
I think people are getting a little used to winning.
So there's this criticism that if you have a seven
trillion dollar a year budget, you're thirty six trillion dollars
in debt, cutting nine billion dollars, you're not really earning
a star on the forehead. That's decimal dust compared to
what's being spent. But to your point, it hasn't been

(01:02:54):
done before. But I'm hearing from our Washington delegation, those
that are in the Senate and in Congress, from you Utah,
that they expect this to be not just a one
time shot. They think they're getting the muscle memory to
start doing this more often. Do you see that as
something that could happen in Washington?

Speaker 17 (01:03:11):
Yes, I think that the President is going to come
back to the well again and again and again with
recision bills because you cannot do anything with the filibuster.
You know, you sixty votes in Washington, the way the
way the Capitol is polarized today, the way that you know,
you can't get sixty votes on anything that is meaningful.
There's no way that the funding MPR, PBS are done

(01:03:33):
in sixty votes. So the recisians bill is really And
I'll tell you who will give credit to I've been
writing about this for fifteen years. I give one hundred
percent credit to Russ's votes as well as the president.
But Russ vote, the head of Management and Budget, he
got this done. He's super smart. Former colleague of mind.
He was behind the President today when he signed the bill.

(01:03:53):
I think they're going to do this again and again.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Good's great news. Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I've been I've been in broadcasting for a long long time, man,
and nothing against fellow broadcasters at NPR or PBS. Nothing
bothered me. They could do what they wanted to do.
It's just using my taxpayer money to fund their operations.
I always said, hey, good luck to you guys, but
get out in the real world and deal with what
we have to do in radio and television each and
every day, non government funded radio and television. Can they survive,

(01:04:22):
by my guests is they'll go find some big donors
and they'll be just fine.

Speaker 17 (01:04:27):
Oh no, they're going to survive, and they will. I'm
not against them surviving. I'm not like Catherine Maher, the
CEO of NPR, how you know, the best of luck
to them. They have a good membership model. They will survive.
Just they let go. They lost the mandate of heaven.
When you study Chinese history, every dynasty lost the mandate
of heaven at one one or another. They lost them

(01:04:49):
when they went completely crazy on woke them or wokeness.
They and they don't even recognize it. It's it's sad.
So so yeah. No, this is I have a video
out to this on YouTube. I call it their independence Day. Uh,
this is their independence. You know they can just now
embrace being woke, being progressive. They don't have to lie
about it. I'm conservative, the luxury en not lying about it.

Speaker 14 (01:05:13):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:05:13):
They call themselves impartial. I'm biased, you know, the neutral.
Then none of those things. They're progressive. They should own it.
It's not just me saying that. Uri Berlin or the whistleblower,
he said that to them, So they brought this on themselves.
I just I just drove past Wilton, Connecticut, their home
where Katherine Mark grew up. It is a super wealthy

(01:05:37):
suburb of New York, and she grew up their in opulence,
and she feels all this guilt about being wealthy. I'm sorry,
she should just then pay, you know, don't expect conservatives to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Pay for all this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
You know, let me ask you this, if you bring
up Uri Berlin there, I thought thought that his Berliner
he brings up an interesting point. He said that at
some point point they lost their way as when they
started telling people what to think. So they used to
say why it matters, and they would start to tell you.
They wouldn't just report things, they would tell you what
to what conclusions to draw from it. And he actually

(01:06:13):
says in hindsight, and I don't think NPR or PBS
would ever admit this, but he says that in reporting,
say the Russian hoax and all those things that he
regrets to how they hitched their wagon to Adam Schiff
and that they just they just in hindsight, took some people,
made them the voice the authority on everything that was
going on, and really didn't question anything that they were saying.

(01:06:35):
In hindsight, he regrets that does anybody within NPR and
PBS today are they just victims or is there any
kind of self reflection going on with them like you see.

Speaker 17 (01:06:46):
With Uri not public not publicly, they David feel conflict.

Speaker 18 (01:06:51):
The media Reporter published the piece on Friday or Saturday,
I think it was after the Houseboat in which he
you know, he Urie Berliner and critics like me.

Speaker 19 (01:07:01):
Say, look, they weren't completely woke.

Speaker 17 (01:07:04):
They accepted this fiction that America is systemically racist, that
we have you know, white supremacy. They accepted all these
things to face value. And the way he described it
is he said, well, we started.

Speaker 19 (01:07:15):
Hiring more people who are non white in order to
have a country that a radio station that reflected the country.
And then he added, you know, kind of dolefully, they
audience didn't change. You know, he doesn't get that, first
of all, hiring based on race is illegal. Second of all,

(01:07:36):
that the country just never bought this this this, this
myth that will be a systemically racist Do we have racists?

Speaker 20 (01:07:45):
Of course, you who would not live in this country
or in France or Guatemala or Peru or Portugal and
say no, there are no racist here. Unfortunately, it's a
sad trait of the human condition that we have racists
in our missed to say that the American system.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Is racist quite another thing, and they embraced it with
both arms.

Speaker 14 (01:08:07):
And they don't have anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
There can really understand what we're trying to say. They
don't have the empathy to do it, which is fine,
Which is fine. Fox is conservative, and that's what we
see this liberal. They just do it on their own dime.
They don't have to use my dime, your dime and
the dime of people listening.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
That's the way it should be. Mike has always we
appreciate a few minutes your time. Be careful there at Yale,
don't stir it up too much, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Come visit us in Utah anytime. More than welcome.

Speaker 19 (01:08:33):
Hey, you invite me again to to Soul Lake.

Speaker 17 (01:08:36):
You know I don't have to always be here, right
kill us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
My Gonzale senior Fellow with the Heritage Foundation, talking about
the funding of NPR and PBS. More coming up, It
is the Pioneer Day Show here on Talk radio one
oh five nine. K n R s Well, Donald Trump,
I think we've all come to realize it's truly greg
of his word, right, yes. Set on the campaign, he
was going to do this, this, this, this, this, and

(01:09:05):
it's six months. It's pretty amazing what he has achieved.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
It really is. I mean you look at these last
six months and with the team he has around him.
Second term, boy, he is running with his around.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
And one of the goals that he made and he
told the American people and seventy seven million of u's
agreed with him, that he wanted to shrink the size
of the federal government. It's bloated, it's not working, it's
not efficient, and he's bounded determined to do that. So
look already he's taken on the EPA, he's taken on
the State Department, he's taken on education, and today he

(01:09:38):
announced some sweeping changes to the Agriculture Department.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
That's right, So the US the United States Department of Agriculture,
you know, headquartered in Washington, d c President feels and
many concur that the Department of Agriculture should probably be
in communities where there is agriculture.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
What an idea, idea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
So that headquarters has now been split into five locations around.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Our regional centers. Yeah, the way it should be, and
one of them will be here in Utah, right here
in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
We are still an agricultural state. We have a lot
of exports, our export of hay and alfalfa, you know
overseas as probably one of the largest exporters in the
country of hay in alfalfa. We do have a robust
agricultural community here in Utah. And so it is such
great news that the Secretary of Rowlins in the Trump

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administration would make the decision to locate one of those
five USDA headquarters here in our state.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Is great. The goal is to shrink the Agriculture Department,
which currently Greg, I think has about forty six hundred
employees down to two thousand, and most of those will
be located in these various regional centers, from which you
mentioned Salt Lake City as being one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Of them, you know, And what I hope happens is
that you find and this won't happen right away, but
eventually you would like to see people that have grown
up in or around the region of which the headquarters
are located. Employees come from those regions instead of from DC.
The Bureau of Land Management. Where we always had trouble
in the state of Utah dealing with the BLM lands
is when they were sending people from back east to

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start managing the land to hear in Utah and telling
us what to do. If we had a BLM manager
that was from Utah, man, they got along really well well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I had always heard the people. Yeah, I had always
heard that the BLM managers who knew this area, had
worked in this area, been here for a long time,
were very very easy to work with. Correct, they'd go
back then they'd have to send word to Washington and
it was impossible to get anything done.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yep. Or if they got along too well, some administrations
don't like that, and so they would send in people
from They send DC bureaucrats in here to Utah to
do it. So where you have the Department of Agriculture,
one of its headquarters here located in Utah, Let's hope
over time you see Utah's people from Idaho, people from
the West that are attached to agri culture in their

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communities working for the federal government in this region, that
would that would make a big, big difference.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Other locations include Fort Collins, Colorado, Raleigh, North Carolina, Kansas City,
and Indianapolis, Indiana, along with Old Lake City.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Couldn't you know again?

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Perfect?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Perfect five locations across a very large country. I think
we're very fortunate to have one of those here in
the state of Utah. And look Trump has done he
likes Utah. Yeah, he does like this state and he
is he always has, he's and there's a competitive streak
in him that where Romney had done well in the
past years and he's worked very hard in his vote

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tally has always increased from sixteen to twenty to twenty four.
He received more votes from Utahn's in each of those elections.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, big announcement today, or we were hoping
this would be a big announcement, but Queen Bee has
thrown some cold water on this. Yes, Joy Behar on
the View today was talking about you know, various things,
and then she let this slip and.

Speaker 16 (01:12:59):
Before we so on, hiatus only have one more show
after this, I'm allowed to say that right too late now,
so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, before we go, I
wanted to tell people that the tide is churning. The
tide is churning, and things are changing. I mean, the
ultimate irony would be that Rupert Murdoch will take him down.

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Fox News, who created the monster, will take him down.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Well, a lot of people were thinking, well, she's saying
they're going on hiatus. Does that mean maybe the beginning
of the end? And we know over time, Greg, We've
talked about this before. Some ABC News executives have sat
down with those hosts on the View and said, tone
it down a little bit. You know you are so
anti Trump, tone it down a little bit. And what's
so interesting about this show It is under the purview

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of the ABC News department. It's not programming, it's under
the news department, and they let these women get away
with some of the most outlandish comments you will ever hear.
But I don't think it's going away forever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
So we were all excited we heard that there's going
to be a hiatus. Maybe this is a soft cancel,
but Queen Bee told me that that they do they
go on a summer hiatus every year. So we were
just getting our hopes up. But we can dream, you know.
I mean, what once they see the quiet in the
normal sea, maybe the like it. Maybe ABC will like
it and say, you know what, why go back to insanity?

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Why do it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
By the way, how much longer do you think CBS
is going to put up with Stephen Colbert.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I'll tell you what this is where there's there's a
couple moments in my life where I wish I was
in charge of some of these organizations, and I wish
with all my heart that I could just be in
charge for one day, because I would send that guy packing.
I'd take a paintball gun with me when I was
announcing to him and his two hundred staff overpaid staffers, Yeah,
bloated staff that they can see that door. You can

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let it hit you on the way out. You're not
going to spend the next eight months, ten months ripping
on the organization that's paying you every two weeks see
you later. I wish so badly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I do not understand. Well, they said to June or
until next May, let's just get get him out this
summer see over, and he's just every day now he
is taking time in his show to rip on Trump,
which we expected, but rip on the company that's giving
him all that money.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And he's such a victim. He's the only guy that's
ever been let go. Sorry, all the leftist policies you've
been advancing have been people have been jobless and laid off,
you know, and you never gave a whit about any
of it. But now you get laid off and oh
the sky's falling and the Constitution is hanging by a threat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Well, they were talking about it again on the CBS
Morning Show with Gail King and a couple others, and
this is one of one of the hosts said, and
I think he was right on this one, talking about
Stephen Colbert and where this show went, so.

Speaker 21 (01:15:44):
That these late night shows are what do you call it,
like a blockbuster kiosk inside a tower record. So the
business has broken, and what no one seems to acknowledge
is that the politics also changed. The business change instead
of the politics, and it got way more one sided
than anything Johnny Carson was ever doing. I think we
should reflect on those changes as well. It's been a
big shift culturally in that regard as.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Christ Yeah, and We had that sound bite with Johnny
Carson from the interview he did years ago with with
Mike Wallace, who he said, that's not my role, and
people who fall into that trap then start thinking they're
more important than they should be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
He did, He really did importance. He did nail it,
and he said, I'm an entertainer. That's why I don't
know why people would expect me to do more than
an entertain That is what this is about. And what
Stephen Colbert did is he absolutely decimated, destroyed what I
think was a societal mainstay of late night comedy and
entertainment in America for multi generational and it ended with him.

(01:16:41):
He killed it. He did, and he gets that, he
gets that title, and that doesn't make how he has
somehow contorted that into making you feel sorry for him.
What he should do is feel ashamed that he that
he wrecked something that so many generations prior to him
were able to keep profitable and popular for all those years,
and all those generations.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
From Jack Parr to Carson to Leno to Letterman and
then Jack Benny, right, Jack Benny did come on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I mean, there's so many and it was again, it
was just what you saw after the evening news, and
it was always there and now it's gone and it's him.
He did it, and he did it to the other
networks too. I think the other ones followed him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
All right. More coming up. It is the Rod and
Greig Show on this Thursday and Utahn's Talk Radio one
O five nine k NRS.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
My first Pioneer day on the job, and I thought,
you know, we're not going to get a lot of calls.
We're not going to allow to talk at because you know,
it's a holiday. I don't remember listening to you when
I was Pioneer day. So I was like, it's getting
get lonely out here without our listeners. But our listeners
are holding strong. We've been We've had a great show,
We've had great discussion. It's it's been good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
I'm lonely in this building.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Well yeah, everybody else is else out there, but no not,
we're here with our listeners and it's been a great
it's been a great show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Well, we know we have Janine who's still cooking dinner
in Lehigh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
I think it's been cooked by now.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
I mean that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah, yeah, the breakfast breed. Hopefully the dog didn't need
all the sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, that we were in the event. In our discussion
with her, when that, when that, when that happened, that
dog made a break for it. Thought Genine was too distracted,
but she multitasks. She kept us on the line and
thwart to the dogs as.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
She hung in there. All right, let's talk about the
election a little bit. A lot of people are still
analyzing the numbers, Greg and this whole idea of the
gen Zers and the red wave. Yes, and is it
a one time thing? Is it a trend? Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It's an interesting question, and I think everyone ought to
be careful to not assume one way or the other
that they were it was a one time shot, or
that everybody, all young people turned conservative in a single
election cycle. I think that neither of those sentiments are true.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Yeah. Well, there's some new information, new research out on
the gen Z and the red wave and to talk
about it. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now
is Gene Twagy. She is a professor department of psychology
at San Diego State University. We've had Gene on the
show before, haven't been. She hadn't been on for quite
some time. Gene, thanks for joining us tonight. You've taken
a look at this new survey, this new research. What

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have you found out?

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
Well, what I've found is that gen Z, young adults,
even the guys, are actually less likely to identify as
conservative now compared the previous presidential election cycles. So it
is true that Moore voted for Donald Trump in twenty
twenty four compared to young adults, say, in twenty twenty. However,

(01:19:44):
they're not necessarily any more conservative, at least in how
they identify.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
It's a fascinating observation, and I think you're right. But
could it be the case that the younger eighteen to
twenty four, eighteen to thirty year olds may if you're
younger in your co your high school years were interrupted
by COVID, you might have a sensitivity to the heavy
hand of government. Cancel culture took away a lot of
popular sports voices and comedians. Are there things that the

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Democrats could do where the Republicans continue to be a
protest vote among the young people as opposed to maybe
them identifying as conservative.

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
Yeah, it's a really interesting question. So kind of getting
into some of those more specific issues. I mean, if
you look at kind of the banner issues that usually
distinguish say liberals from conservatives, Democrats from Republicans, gen Z,
young adults today are pretty liberal in terms of views
on immigration and abortion, you know, for the most part.

(01:20:41):
But those things that you mentioned, that's stuff that isn't
often asked.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
About in polls, and we need more survey data on.

Speaker 8 (01:20:49):
That, because I agree those are really wedge issues these
days around cancel culture as you said, say, the heavy
hand of government during the pandemic, although a lot of
those culture clash issues were front and center in twenty
twenty four, and we don't know a whole lot about
how young adults think about those now versus say, previous generations.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Geane. Some people, of course are assuming that they voted
for a Republican. They voted for Donald Trump in the election,
so they must be conservative. Wrong assumption, I think so.

Speaker 8 (01:21:23):
I mean from the survey data that we have, where
in the same survey there's were a lot more young
adults voting for Donald Trump in twenty twenty four compared
to twenty twenty, but few are actually identify as conservative,
and that also is borne out in their views on
a lot of issues. I think the core of it
is that gen Z is very pessimistic. They're cynical, they're pessimistic,

(01:21:45):
they're even nihilistic sometimes where they have this idea we
just wanted anything to change every single time. And I
think that helps us look forward that maybe the issue
in twenty twenty four was around being combent party, and
the next presidential election that comes up, it very well

(01:22:07):
might go the other way because gen Z is perpetually dissatisfied.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Because that's exactly I was just going to ask you
what was the tipping point to see because I guess
the way I've read it is we've never seen this
demographic vote for a Republican candidate in the past. They've been,
as you say, identify as more moderate progressive. We've not
seen that kind of shift. So you're you you believe
that this was more of a protest vote than maybe
issues that were being advanced by Trump versus Kamala Harris.

Speaker 8 (01:22:39):
Well, it's not those banner issues, but you know, as
you brought up, there might have been other issues in
there which might also, you know, have driven their their votes.
But I think a lot of it is pessimism. I
think a lot of it is just dissatisfaction with where
the country's going. I mean, the inflation certainly didn't help
free young adults, you know, unlimited budgets, But there are

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these swings.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
I mean, it's not unprecedented.

Speaker 8 (01:23:03):
So my own generation, jen X was known in the
eighties for being more conservative than their boomer predecessors.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Yeah, and that's totally true. I'm a generous for you,
and Rod's a boomer. He's ruined everything, so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
You know, mar.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Sorry, sorry, sorry continued.

Speaker 8 (01:23:24):
No, you're right, you're right, but I mean we do
have to keep in mind it has happened before. There
there have been generations of young adults who swing, you know,
more right, And I'm just I'm just not completely convinced
that's exactly what's happening with with gen Z. I think
it has a lot more to do with maybe I
maybe wouldn't use the phrase protest vote, but just a

(01:23:45):
vote against the incumbent, a vote against the status quo.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Right, Jane, you mentioned a couple of times now that
they tend to be more pessimistic, but then you have
someone like Donald Trump, who is elected was I consider
very optimistic, you know, make America great again this message.
So did they see Trump, despite their pessism pessimism, as
a guy who could change things because they're so upset
with the status quo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
I think that was a good amount of it.

Speaker 8 (01:24:12):
Yes, that with the inflation, with some of these other
culture class issues, there was this view of wanting that change,
of just wanting to do things differently. And you know, Trump,
even though he had been president before, has this kind
of outsider reputation of not being a typical politician, of

(01:24:33):
being more transparent, of being authentic. And that's something that's
really important to gen Z voters, this authenticity. And they
may not have always agreed with what he said, but
they see him as being authentic.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
So here's the big question, because it'll be an open
seat in the next presidential election, and if they're not
identifying maybe right of center conservative or Republican, necessarily they
might not just vote against the Republican candidate just because
they're the same party. Is President Trump? So in an
open seat with maybe the cynicism and looking for change,

(01:25:08):
do you see a candidate on the landsca out there
on the lance political landscape that our gen zs might
be drawn to a Republican or Democrat.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
I don't necessarily see a specific candidate. I think that's
pretty unformed at this point. But it would not surprise
me at all if they've swung more towards the Democrats
at the next presidential election, whoever is out of power
might get their vote because they just want things to
be different.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Yeah, they do. Gene Twangey from San Diego State University
talking about the gen Z red wave that we saw
in the twenty four election. Will it be there in
twenty eight Greg, And it's going to be interesting to watch.

Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
I do think the Democrats can interrupt that preference she's
describing where they want to go against the status QUAESO.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
They can.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
It is an open seat. And I just think that
the Democrats are or just keep they keep lurching to
the left, and I think they're going to leave young
people behind.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
They already have the people some young people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I just don't think it's gonna look It's gonna look
palatable interesting to young people.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Not very promising for sure. More coming up the Rod
and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh five nine KNRS.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I'm Citizen Hughes and I'm Rod ark.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Keat I know you're not a big fan of the
Baltimore Ravess, but you could be for about a minute
and a half, right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yep, man, Well exactly one minute twenty five second.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Raven's head coach John Harbaugh called out a reporter yesterday
for how the reporter framed a question about his recent
trip to the White House with the President during the
availability at Ravens training camp. Harbaugh defended his visit to
the White House, which took place earlier this month, after
a reporter asked him, why would you go there to

(01:26:47):
somebody who has attacked your city?

Speaker 10 (01:26:49):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
What I found is that not that one. Sorry, there
there we go. Let me find this there it is
right here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Well why you frame that question? I would frame the
question like you got you have to go visit with
the president?

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
What was that experience?

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
It was amazing? It was awesome? And I promise you
I root for our president.

Speaker 22 (01:27:05):
You know, I want our president to be successful, just
like I want I want my quarterback to be successful
and I want my team to be successful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Uh and uh, And it was. It was an amazing experience.

Speaker 6 (01:27:15):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:27:15):
It's it's not often you get invited and you get
a chance to do something like that as a family.
You know, we were there, My daughter was there, Jim's
daughters were there, My mom and dad were there. Uh,
my mom and President Trump, you know, was just seeing
the how he treated her was was really meaningful.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Ye, well he treated her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
And then later in that and in that answer, he
talked about the difference he'd met I think for presidents
and his brothers met a couple more than he has,
but that he got to know President Obama overseas at
a you know, a USO with a troops type of tour.
He had met Joe Biden when he was vice president,
and so he just he was putting that pretend reporter

(01:27:55):
in his place, trying to politicize on his training camps
being beginning, and saying I will always support our president,
and he shared a heartfelt experience as his mother had
with the President. I love that because these rotten reporters
have been trying to shame sports stars, anyone, anybody, anybody
run away from President Trump. And I love the courage

(01:28:18):
to just push it right back and say, that's a
weird way to ask that question. The question should be
what it was it like to meet the president? Let
me tell you how that was. We've got to get more.
I think we're going to get more. We need more
of that. And because you've got to this media has
got to not feel so much power. They have far
too much. We keep saying we don't trust them, but
they set the narrative for this country. All we do

(01:28:39):
every day is talk about what the table that they set.
I don't like it, but we do it. And if
you want proof of it, we as a nation hate
the abuse of children. We hate, We want justice serve
for those that would harm children. Yes, how do we
care so much? But the three hundred thousand children that
were brought over this border that nobody knows where they are,

(01:29:00):
and the sixty five thousand calls that went unanswered. They
put a helpline out there and put one person in
charge of it. Sixty five thousand calls for help from
children that use that somehow found that number and use
it that went unanswered. Why is are we as a
nation not absolutely appalled and demanding answers? You know why

(01:29:20):
the regime media.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Doesn't talk about They don't talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
That's why we don't are.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
There are several things regime media doesn't talk about in
this country because it doesn't meet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
The narrative exactly right there, the gates, the neighbors.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
The only thing they want to talk about right now.
And we've seen who was it, our good friend Harry
Enton is Epstein. Yeah, and they did they that survey
and he said one person, not one person, No one
person brought up Epstein.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
They are they that's all they want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
All they want to talk about. The American people do not.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Care, no, and so they they are treating the declassified
documents like Hunter Biden laptops story. They're just silent, and
they do set the table and we do and we
do react from it. So I'd like to see more
of our sports stars, more people of prominence pushing back

(01:30:13):
and putting media in their place because they've they've gotten
way over their skis.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
And you can't tell me you wouldn't accept an invite
to the White House.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yeah, I know. Really all right?

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
That does for us tonight, head off, shoulders back, make
God bless you and your family. That's great, cut you
of ours, it is, thank Rodin greg Itge Friday tomorrow.
We'll talk to you then