The Rod and Greg Show: ICE Raids Co Deputies; DOJ & Voter Rolls; Pro-Life Senators

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did you fix anything back there?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Uh no, I I gave it my best efforts. I
ranted a lot, I opined. I was in congressional offices,
given my two cents to anyone that would listen to
these poor young staffers, heard what's what and who's who?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
For me?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
But no, it was it was a great trip the
Hughes family, like a Chevy Chase movie. Back to the
family vacation, went back. I was Clark Griswold, and we
went back and my son was doing an internship there
and got to show us around the capitol like he
owned it. It was pretty cool to have shown us around.
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
But you said it was kind of a you ran
into a it's an apologist pit? The what is an apologist?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
And I'll tell you. We had this great caller one day.
She called into our show and she told us to
be careful about that. She was disappointed to see this
if it isn't engraved in stone, which there are a
lot of sayings and a lot of quotes that are
engraved in stones that are aspirational and are all inclusive.
And we are Americans and we are you know, it's
home of the land. Of the or Land of the Free,

(01:01):
Home of the Brave. But if it's printed by Smithsonian
or it's something that is, it is nothing. Every piece
of historical, every document, every everything is an apology for
how we were discriminating and something. Did you did you
know Barnum and Bailey circus? Did you know that the
reason why circuses were popular is because we're colonialists that

(01:22):
wanted to take over the world, and so we liked
to go to circuses because it made us feel like
we were colonists taking over the whole worldly. I remember
there as a kid. Yeah, I went to a circus
because I liked to see the elephants and the lions
and the tigers, and they were animals. They were cool,
and they did tricks, and all the clowns that got
out of that little car was just blowing my mind.

(01:43):
Being a colonist in world domination never entered my brain
and it didn't enter my grandma's or anyone in my families.
But that's how they framed Barnam and Bailey. They they
were pitting, you know, a Roger Stauback quarterback and him
being from the Navy winning the Heisman against the against
the Mahamad Ali, who protested the Vietnam War, right next

(02:04):
to each other, and somehow making the narrative of one
mindset versus the other mindset, when that nobody has ever
loved Roger Staubach as a quarterback for the Cowboys or
when he played for Navy winning the Heisman, or the
world champion Muhammad Ali and ever connected those two in
that kind of a narrative. But they did there, and
I I, you know, I just I just thought, my goodness,

(02:27):
this is uh, this is something to read. To watch
this and see how they're they're reflecting American industry.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
You realize just being back in there and you were
in that city for what five six days? The job
that Donald Trump has on his plate trying to change
that city, and it's going to be he has a
very limited time to do so on how much he
can do, I do not know.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Let me tell you something I was we were there.
You know, you go to the the Congressional Buildings cafeteria,
you know, with the kids and everything, and there's this
giant group. They're all all young people and they look
like they're in high school. They're wearing these T shirts
are the same color they're all there with the ACLU.
Al you's got those T shirts made for them, and
so they're learning a version of this country. It's history

(03:06):
and dissent as what was written on their shirts from
the ACLU. If you know anything about the ACLU. Good
luck with that. And that's young people. You think they're
going to ever lose touch with those young people that
they go through with that anyway, some of the observations,
I may well enjoying our nation's cat.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, it's good to have you back. Carolyn just did
a great job last night.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I heard such grave reviews that started to make me
feel a little.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I have a lot of emails expressing their support. If
you'd like me to sure those would your great job.
We want to thank her for filling in while you're gone.
So we've got a lot to get to today, a
lot to get to today. We're gonna be talking to
you about what is ICE up to recruiting all the
sheriff's deputies. I mean, I tell you we're all talk
with one sheriff who's none too happy about that. We'll

(03:53):
also talk with Brett Tolman about how crime is down
and is there a coincidence that illegal immigration, and it's
also down. Is there a connection somewhere in there. We'll
get into that a little bit later on. We'll talk
about pro life senators, and we'll talk about the DOJ
and their effort to go after the voter rolls, which
Utah is included in that list. That story broke last week.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
It did. I was watching this wondering how that was
playing out here in the good old Beehive.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
S Lieutenant governor is not happy with that.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, I think that the statements will give most or
some or some amount, but not all. I don't know
how that's gonna fly.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well, we've got a couple of stories we want to
start off the show today. First of all, what they're
doing in Texas. They voted just a short time ago
to arrest the fifty Democratic lawmakers from the state who
have fled the state and gone to the safe have
enough Illinois because they do not want to do their job.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm not a jealous man, Rod and folks, I'm not,
But man, I never got the issue and arrest warrant
for the Democrats in my body. That would have been
a blast. I would have loved that. I would have
just loved Brian King yeah, I would have thrown him
in the clink if I could have been the minority leader.
We're friends. But boy, I think that's something else that
they have fled the actual jurisdiction of the state of

(05:06):
Texas to avoid going into a special session.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
And this is you know what's so funny. Well, they
can't do that in Texas. Illinois has done it, New
York has done it, New Mexico has done it. I mean,
if you look at the percentage of the voters in
those states who voted for Donald Trump, and what kind
of representation do they have in their congressional delegations in
some states two or three that's it. Well, and that's

(05:30):
what people are saying. Wait a minute, if forty three
percent of the populace voted for Donald Trump, shouldn't about
forty to forty three percent of the congressional delegation be Republican.
Not in Illinois, not New Mexico, certainly not in California.
We always hear about redistricting. It's always these well funded
Democrat organizations that want to say Republicans are trying to,
you know, game it up. But the worst offenders really

(05:52):
are the Illinois and the Blue states. And they'll never
say a word about themselves. They just want a different
process where Republicans have them already in states where they
can't do what they did in Illinois or the state.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Of New York. And so it always sounds like it's
just one party that does this. But redistricting, I think
some of the craziest lines you've been because I've been
a part of a redistrict I've done this where you're
supposed to take natural boundaries and borders and county lines, freeways,
and you're supposed to make sense of it so that
there's some you know, some consistency to it. Go look

(06:24):
at some of those blue state maps there. It's like
it's like one of those tests that psychologists give you
to say, what do you see? See I see a flower?
See I see a bat?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know, yeah, that's one of them. Now they have
the story, of course, a lot of talk this weekend.
On Friday, the unemployment numbers came out. Donald Trump didn't
like them, so he goes to fire the head of
the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Nobody knows what the BLS is,
but he wasn't happy. So he fired, you know, and
he had a good reason to do so he does.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
And this is the thing is that it's now being
framed as it's it's so terrible that this is a
non partisan office and everything else. Let's just take Donald
Trump and what we all should imagine is competency based. Yes,
you know employment. Yes, that this individual and this department
has had to rescind and correct its job numbers every quarter, yes, yes.

(07:17):
Contrast that with many states who have to project what
they think they're collecting in tax revenue to make a
budget that's eighteen months in advance. You know, you put
the Utah Legislative fiscal analysts, which are nonpartisan. They are
amazingly accurate. I mean, they don't have this problem that
you're seeing happen every time. And this office particularly, they

(07:40):
can't get it right. It's not like a year later,
it's every single time they put out a number they
have to recorrect the number they put out last month
or last quarter.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Kevin Hassett, who is the White House Economic Council Director,
was on Meet the Press yesterday and he was asked
about shooting the messenger and the claim about the BLS firing.
Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
There were people involved in creating these numbers. And if
I were running the BLS and I had a number
that was a huge, politically important revision, the biggest since
nineteen sixty eight. Actually revisions should be smaller, right because
computers are better and so on, then I would have
a really long report explaining exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And we didn't get that. We didn't get that.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
And so right now, people, you know, Goldenza, people on
Wall Street are rundering, where did.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
These revisions come from? And why do they keep happening?

Speaker 5 (08:27):
And what we need is a pres set of eyes
over at the BLS. And there are great career staffers.
One of the top BLS staffers is actually working in
the White House to help us understand the jobs numbers.
When I saw the job's revisions, I literally called up
that person and said, I think there's a typo because
I've been following these numbers all the way back. But
I worked with Alan Greenspan for something like forty years
that I've never seen revisions like.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Well, of course the Democrats are saying it's all political,
but let me see we go back to before the election.
Didn't the BLS come out with a very glowing jobs
report for the Biden administration, as I recalled, they did that. Yeah,
they did that. And that's where the President is saying,
wait a minute. You don't want to make this political,
then just give us the facts and give us accurate numbers.
Don't pussy foot around with this.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Stuff if you have to demand I mean, if all
the non partisanship is important, and it's important because your
numbers are supposed to be that dependable without regard to
the party that's in power. But if your numbers are
dependably wrong all the time, but they seem to always
weigh towards one particular particle party, I don't know how
you ignore that. I really don't. So I think that

(09:29):
there's a compendency level there that's just being it's not
being met. And to Trump's credit, you're fired.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's great to have Greg back, and we have got
a lot to get to today, so we invite you
to enjoy your ride home on this Monday afternoon with
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k NRS. Utah
County Sheriff Mike Smith is scheduled to join us next
that's all coming up on the Rotten Greg Show. It's
coincidence with a drop in the illegal immigration. We'll get
into that coming up at the bottom of the hour

(09:56):
right here on Talk radio one oh five nine k
n R S.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Join us on the p Right now is the Utah
County Sheriff Mike Smith, to talk about these these recruitment
ads and recruitment efforts of ICE that are finding their
way to deputy sheriffs across the country. Sheriff Smith, Welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Yeah, how you doing good?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Now? I know, I guess when I was away you
had some things to say about this and your frustration.
But where I found out about this sheriff was when
I was back in DC. The sheriff of Polk County
in Florida. Florida has sixty seven counties. Every single one
of these counties have signed one of these two eighty
seven g agreements where they work with ICE. This sheriff

(10:40):
from Florida was saying, my goodness, I'm training up my
deputy sheriffs to work with ICE, and they're coming in
trying to take our our deputy sheriffs away. I think
that's the frustration that you have felt. So it doesn't
sound like it's limited just to Florida. What is going
on with ICE and potentially with the deputy sheriffs that
work with ICE.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Yeah, you framed it pretty good.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
They you know, they've there's been a lot of pressure
to enter into these two eighty seven G programs with ICE.
And what's interesting is, you know, we've always we've always
done work with ICE.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
We've always you know, detained for them.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
We've we've tried to help them every way that we've
can that we can. There have been some issues through
the last few years that we needed ironed out to
make it easier for us to work with them, and
they've they've done those things for us. They've actually come
to the table and fixed a lot of things for us.
So we all start signing up. They're crying for help,
We're happy to help. And then we give them the

(11:42):
deputies that are going to be assigned to these programs,
and then they specifically targeted those deputies with a recruitment campaign.
You know, for me, it's I get recruitment. We're always recruiting.
And I don't blame them for recruiting. I know they
need good people working for them. This is an issue
that needs addressed. But it's when you know you've you

(12:02):
fostered this relationship. We entered in with you to give
you a local Honestly, locally is where the best work
is done because we know our communities, so we give
you our best and then you target them to recruit them.
And that's really I think where the pinch pain came
in is that the way they targeted those those.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Agencies, not just mine. You framed it right.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
It's not just Utah County, it's the whole state of Utah.
In fact, it's the whole nation.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
The yeah and sheriff. I would imagine this comes at
a time at a time when not only share us,
but police departments around the country and here in the
state of Utah are still having a tough time getting
recruits to begin with, are you not?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Oh yeah, everybody.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Everybody is still struggling to get recruits. It's a never
ending process, you know. It just it is a tough
pill to swallow that we would do this to us
on this level.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
It's like, Okay, you know what, if.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Our guys are going to rub shoulders on the roads
and talk to each other about who's got the best operation, fine,
but on an administrative level, we have more respect for
each other.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
We don't do that to each other on this level.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, sheriff, do you see any issue with would it
be better for them to just recruit generally, like the
military tries to get people out of high school or
out of college to come and become a member of
the military, enlist in the military. You do this for
deputy sheriffs. Should they just be looking for people generally
to be looked a federal law enforcement as a profession?
Would you be okay with working with someone from ICE

(13:33):
that was just recruited from being a citizen versus having
experienced in law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah, And you're right. We do this all the time.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
We recruit younger people to get them into the profession
and train them up.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
You know, ICE is on that same topic.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
Ice is, Yeah, it's beneficial for them to get these
well seasoned officers. But you're taking thousands of dollars, hundreds
of thousands of dollars of training out of a community.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
And who knows.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
I mean, just because you live in Utah County and
you went to work for ICE, well that doesn't mean
you're working in Utah County. You're gonna go wherever ICE
wants you to go, So you're taking this resource and
this training out of our area. I think ICE is
very capable of training up good ICE ations, just like
the rest of us do with our employees.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Sure, if ICE is flushed with cash now thanks to
the big beautiful bill that the President got approved, is
it true they're dangling bonuses of fifty thousand dollars in
front of some deputies.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
Yeah, well, you know, yes, it's true.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
That's exactly what the email says. And you know, unfortunately
me and.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
Most people can't compete with that, and that may be enticing.
And honestly, if somebody fills that's their path and that's
where they want to go work, then I'll be the first.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
To help them do it.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
But we sure, we sure need good people here in
our own communities. When I just puts in that letter
that you know your country needs, you will each of
these small communities are part of this country and that's
what keeps this country safe from from county to county,
and we need you to.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
So, Sheriff, I suspect I don't know, I don't have
any firsthand knowledge of this, but I suspect that with
all this funding, as Rogers mentioned, there was almost a
ready fire aim approach by ICE. I can imagine somebody
in DC making this decision without really thinking it through.
I've heard. I don't know this is true. Maybe you
confirmed that they have pulled back from that effort of

(15:40):
trying to recruit those deputy sheriffs of those sheriff departments
they were working with. Are you seeing maybe a change
of course from ICE at all in terms of how
they strategically build up their workforce.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
Yeah, I don't know. I've heard the same.

Speaker 7 (15:54):
I don't know that they officially pulled back. I mean,
the emails were saying it is what it is at
this point.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
But on that I do know that it was. It
was from d C.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
It was on a level that was over the heads
of our local ICE officials who knew nothing about this
recruitment tactic.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
And uh, you know, I think the story is kind
of the same across the nation. You brought up Sheriff Judd.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
You know, he said the same thing that his his
local leadership didn't know anything about it and honestly didn't
approve of this tactic. Have these relationships with us and
they don't. They don't want to harm them. They know
that the formula is is you know, bring in your
local guys. They know the area, they work hard, They'll
make you look good and why mess with that formula?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Good point. Final question, Triiff, have you lost anybody yet
or is it too still too early?

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Oh, it's still too early.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
We haven't lost anybody, and I honestly I don't anticipate
that I would. But again, like I said, if someone
wants to, I'm not gonna, by any means stand in
their way if they feel they can serve their.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
Country better in that position than they should.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
On our newsmaker line. Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith, Sheriff Smith,
thanks for joining us afternoon.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
All the good work. Yeah, I work with the sheriffs.
You know these guys, Yes, you work with this. I'm
honored to work with them. They're duly elected. They answered
the public like every public servant should. That's a great
aspect of publics of law enforcement when you have someone
that's directly accountable to the people. And I saw this again,
I saw this nationally and then when I came home

(17:31):
here we have it happening in our own states.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
So it's a big issue, I mean, but think about
this as well, Greg and we didn't have time to
ask the sheriff this, but law enforcement in general a
very risky occupation. Right now, ICE may be a little
bit riskier with efforts to do anything they can to
stop ICE from, you know, the officers there from doing
their job. It's a risky operation right now, it is.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And I think that their recruitment efforts should be from
similar to what the military, our armed forces do and
just go go get some people that really want to
serve their country, do it the right way. And as
far as this masking goes, I just think that you
have if you watch any of the movies or anything
about how the Mexican federales have to cover their face
from the cartels. Well, Biden, let us let every state

(18:14):
be a border state, and we are all suffering from
the cartel influence now. And I think that them having
to protect themselves and their families from being docked or
worse is a reality. It is sad, all right.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
We've got more coming up on the Monday afternoon edition
of the Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one all five nine kN R S.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know I missed you. I missed you did I
missed the listeners. I missed it. I felt out of
sink I did.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Oh well, but got to spend time with your family.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, that's great, that was wonderful. No, I love I
know you say that such conviction. Listen. It is Queen
Bee's birthday today. It happens to be listening. I'm not
going to make her mad. She she didn't like the
Clark Griswold family vacation reference last time I made it.
I don't know why. I think it's funny and it's
actually Wait, you.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Had a theory you travel one day or together three
you travel back to the correct that's a huge family
because you understand each other.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well every time that three days and then two days travel, Yes,
that's five days. And and we've we've had, we've seen,
we've been there, done that. It's it's a beautiful time.
But that's it. That's it, no more, that's it. That's
all you need for the year. Well yeah, no, yeah,
we'll do it again next year, whether we need to
or not, but we will. And by the way, that's
a trip, not a vacation. There's a difference the family trip.

(19:30):
Okay is where this is back in the day when
I had like a like the mini van rental. You know,
we'll go to Disneyland or whatever. I would shut those
kids in and I would take the long way to
the driver's seat. I would go the long way around
the back of the the move in for the quiet,
just for the bombardments of once was not happening, So
I would shut that slider door and then I would

(19:52):
take the long stroll around the back to get into
the driver's seat. And as soon as I opened the door,
I could hear the bedlam.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, begin we had to uh we at one time
we were taking a family trip to like Tahoe.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, we had to.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Pay one of our son's twenty dollars so we wouldn't
ask the question are we there yet?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, we bribed him.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
We said, if you don't ask that question for the
rest of the trip, we'll pay you twenty dollars.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
My daughter Sophie when she was she's older now, she
when she was young, if we were at the at
the hotel, pool, you know, what are we gonna do next?
What we do next? Like so we just we just
checked in. We just got what we gonna do next?
Break out this pool. We're gonna try off. What do
you mean, what are we gonna do?

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Speaking of Disneyland, there's the story on today that do
you know what is the most popular, most liked family
resort in the country today. You'd think Disneyland, right, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
For sure?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Dollywood? Dollywood, Dollywood came in number one.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Man, not us. We liked Lego Land, we liked Disneyland.
I like SeaWorld. SeaWorld really was touching a bunch of fish.
Now you see shamou come out of that water's I
had a moment.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
When you get when you get tearful over sham moved.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
It was a beautiful moment that we're in question it.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
We're hoping to talk with a Brett Toleman, former US
attorney about crime and the connection between crime and illegal
immigration greg but before we were able to get a
hold of him, I want to share this story. I
don't know if you're aware of this. This this was
reported in the New York Post on Friday. Man by
the name of Raoul Luna Perez. He's an illegal immigrant
from Mexico, killed the New Jersey mom and her eleven

(21:32):
year old daughter last week. They were on their way
to get milkshakes. Perez now here's the thing with this.
Greg Perez was reportedly trunk behind the wheel of an
SUV where he veered into oncoming traffic and crashed into
the comeback car. Okay. The suspect had two previous arrests

(21:54):
for DUIs in March and April, and a domestic violence
arrest in twenty twenty three. But because New Jersey it's
a sanctuary state, local authorities were never allowed to contact ICE.
And as a result of that, we have a mom
and her daughter, eleven year old daughter on their way
on a innocent evening to go get a milkshake, struck

(22:16):
and killed by a drunk driver. He in this country illegally.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
No I would add to the this is combining segments,
but to the ICE issue of bringing on more law
enforcement officers. If you want up someone with law enforcement experience,
go to the sanctuary cities and states that are Colorado.
Just put a member of law enforcement on administrative leave
because they were working with and speaking to ICE. Go
get that person to go work for ICE and go

(22:41):
get some things done. If they're gonna, you know, just stop.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, what happened in Colorado? A local was it? A
sheriff's deputy.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I don't know if it is a sheriff's deputy or
a city a police officer, but some law enforcement officer
was speaking with and court talking to ice about what
they're doing, which I think is intuitive, and that's the
stuff they could have prevented, the thing, the tragic, tragic
story you just shared, and that officers on administrative leave.
To that officer, yeah, to that officer, I'd say, you

(23:12):
were you were right, you were on the side of angels,
uh ma'am or sir, and go find a to go
work with someone who believes in doing what's right like
you do. I would. You know, all it would take
for those those cities that are doing that is to
lose their workforce because people want to do right by
the people they serve, es protect and serve. And if
you don't want, if that's not your interest and you

(23:34):
want to protect people that have broken the law and
have had multiple DUIs and shouldn't even be here in
the first place, then you know, I just I think
that's contrary to what you know, kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
We're after all, right, more to come. It's the Monday
afternoon edition of the Rod and Greg Show. Right here
on you Toad's Talk Radio one oh five nine k NRS.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Welcome back, folks. I'm a citizen, Greg.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Hughes, and I'm Rod Archaett.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
All right.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Uh, Nordstrom pretty big, high end, yes shopping. How long
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Speaker 2 (24:04):
Actually I went to North from Rack not that long?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Oh really, but not not not the main No, I
haven't been there for a long time. Yeah, their clothes
are too trendy. I'm an old guy.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Oh they that place they have they have closed for you.
I've seen they.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Oh yes, section for old men.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, it might as well be called the Rod Section.
It is your section. I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well. Uh, Portland based in Seattle, right. They have told
the they have told the City of Portland that if
they don't get their act together, they are pulling up stakes,
They're leaving Portland.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
That is, you know what, in good form, because you
know what, it is insane what they are all dealing
with their retail theft, crime, crime, just even the environment.
Who wants to travel traverse the sidewalks to even get
to their retail outlet when it's so dangerous.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, well they're saying, you know, apparently the mayor of
Portland met with their hanchos last week and they basically said,
we shut our downtown store because it's simply too dangerous
and we're being ripped off constantly and nobody is doing
anything about it.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You want to hear an irony? Yes, Uh, there are
more homeless people in Salt Lake City than in Washington,
d C. At least on the sidewalks.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I didn't I saw barely any and I we DC.
We walked miles away.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Well you do in d C. Yeah, you do walk a.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Lot, and we didn't see any nothing compared to Salt
Lake City. Nothing.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Wow. I mean last time I was in DC, they
were all over the But I mean you didn't dare
go to Union Station.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, no, it's every every path we went. Uh, we
didn't see We saw hardly anything at all. You go
to Salt Lake City, Yeah, it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well you see what happened to Sydney Sweeney.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I can't keep there's like a daily story with her,
like she's hold strong though.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, Well apparently Trump now likes her because everybody found
out she's a registered Republican. Good for her, and she
also packs heat. She knows how to shoot a gun.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, I guess I'm becoming more of a Sydney seat.
I don't even know she came from. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I don't know who she was familiar with her work
A musical artist must.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Be I don't know, but I will tell you this.
All this means is that you don't have to apologize
to be blonde hair and blue eyed anymore.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
No, you shouldn't have to. I never should have.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
This was some kind of scourge on society that we
had blonde hair, blue eyed. You know, little smoke shows
like Queen Bee run around now and now they can
come out and be proud, loud and proud. Yeah I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah. Well, and by the way, after the President said
that that he likes her and everything, there's stock shot
up twenty eight percent.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
As it should. That's just right.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
One of the things. There is a new study out
greg Where was this? I don't see the source of this,
but yeah, no, it's from John Hopkins University. But it
shows America is becoming a nation of homebodies. Do you
find it? Do you go out as munch as you
used to?

Speaker 8 (26:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I have to admit I probably am much more of
a homebody now than it was COVID.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, story says, Americans recognize that we're meeting up with
our friends less and less overall, and it's usually an
easy target to blame our phones. Yes, well, or so
we'd stay at home now more because our phones.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Also you can see an almost any movie you can
see streaming now, and so you're even your access to
entertainment is just easier at home than it used to be.
And look at the big screen TVs you can buy.
You can buy it for nothing now. It used to
be very very expensive, prohibitively expensive to have a big screen.
That's one price that's gone down over the last twenty years.
That again eats into the kind of entertainment that you'd

(27:35):
go to at a movie theater.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we don't go out as much
as we used to, by the way. I mean, first
of all, to go to a movie anymore, because you
can see reviews like Rotten Tomatoes and determine if it's
even worth spending the money. Because movies are not inexpensive anymore,
and the treats are even more expensive.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
We are very selective in movies that we want to
go see.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I've seen lists of the great movies that came out
ten twenty years ago. Go in the summer movies. Every
single movie is a retread. Today, every movie is a
retread of a former movie, TV show, there is. There's
very little original content that's entertaining that's coming out. If
it's original, it's no. That was number two. That was
a sequel, that was totally appropriate. They how dare you?

(28:19):
But everything, everything is just just just to redo a retread.
I there's and if it is original content, it's preachy.
It scolds you for being true, you know whatever, whatever
it is that they want to tell you that you're
doing wrong. Yeah, it's you. Look the Academy Awards and everything,
everything that wins, nobody's ever heard of any of them.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
And remember remember the big blockbuster movies. Every summer, you
there would be two or three big summer blockbusters. I
think the first one was Jaws, as a matter of fact,
I think, which is fifty years old as of now.
It's pretty amazing. It's aged well too the way. Yeah
it's still is still recently. Yeah, still a good movie
to watch. But they the days of the blockbuster are

(28:59):
either they're gone or they put them on. So many
theaters now that it doesn't seem like a block but
that's easy to get into.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I took my son a couple of weeks ago to
Fantastic Four. A great movie is a very good movie.
It fell eighty percent in the box office week over
week from its premiere weekend because everybody saw it, eighty
percent less people going to everybody saw it. Yeah, it's yeah.
I think that the days of those blockbuster movies might
have come and gone, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Right, all right, mare coming up, second hour the Rodding
Greg Show. Stay with us on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five to nine, an arrests and also there is
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(29:46):
you can leave us a thirty second thirty second message
about anything you'd like, be it the topic we're talking about,
or something about the show, or an idea or a
comment about hughes u. He loves to hear those. By
the way to do that, so I love that's the
way to do it. But I great to be with
your great to have you back, Greg, we missed you.
I brought our cat.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes. Hey, we had a great listener.
Give us some stats.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, we were talking about staying at home. Why we're
staying at home?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, if you want to go to a movie, listen
to these stats. Cistern Law in town. Let's go to
shake Shack and go see Naked Guns, a brand new
movie that came out Shake Shack sixty seven bucks, three movies,
movie tickets fifty six bucks, three drinks, and a popcorn
thirty nine bucks. And you wonder why those three hours?
They might find a different way to entertain themselves. Those
are I think that's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, it's the Can you go to a movie without popcorn?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
No, No, you have to have. I have to have.
I don't put the butter on it, but I like
the popcorn.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Do you get the like really big one? And I
refill it?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, I don't read. Well do they do refills anymore?
They were?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I think if you'll buy a certain so I can
get refills.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Well, I share it. But we clean that sucker out
before I don't even know if the movie started. By
the time, we're already you're like me the seeds at
the bottom.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I'm heading back for a refill when the movie starts.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I know, I'm just I'm lowed down.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
At And how many how many promotions do you do
you think? I mean, how many trailers do you see
in a movie anymore?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You could almost be twenty minutes late to any so
called start time and you're just getting it when the
movie starts.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah. Well, our good friend Harry Enton from CNN added again,
Greg just really ticking off the Democrats and probably with
uh with some information that I think Greg will absolutely
drive them nuts.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
You've got a couple of truth tellers out there, whether
it's Scott Scott Jennings Jennings or or Harry Enton. And
I don't know if it's if it's after hearing what
he's saying, but it's nice to hear some people telling
the truth on those regime media networks. It's it's it's
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Now worried to what the eighth month, seventh month of
Donald Trump in the White House on his second term, right,
And Harry Anton has been looking at all the numbers
and everything that he has done, and he is now
calling him the most influential president in this century. And
you know that it's good viewers of CNN. They're hearing

(32:10):
that and their eyes their.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Heads, yeah they are. They never if it was never
set again on CNN, it would be too soon for
CNN viewers. They would never want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, here's Harry Emton as he explains why he thinks
Trump is the most influential president of this century.

Speaker 9 (32:26):
The Donald Trump administration is arguably the most influential this century,
and probably as well dating back a good portion of
the last century as well. Love it like it, lumpet
Trump is remaking in the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Let's talk about.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
Tarris first, right, there's all this talk that Donald Trump
always chickens out when it comes to tarris.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Uh uh no tacos for Trump.

Speaker 9 (32:46):
The effective tariff ray get this, it's eighteen percent, the highest,
the highest since the FDR administration in the nineteen thirties,
up from get this, just two percent last year, from
just two percent last year. We're talking about a level
an effective tariff, right level, Get this nine times as
high this year than last year. But is not just
on tariffs, which of course Donald Trump ran on, in

(33:08):
which you're seeing a tremendously influential presidency. What about immigration?
Of course, Trump ran and has always run on a
very hawkish immigration platform. Get this, twenty twenty five net
migration in the United States down at least sixty percent
from last year. In fact, we may be heading for
the first time and at least fifty years in which
we have negative net negative migration into the United States.

(33:32):
And last year, of course, in twenty twenty four, the
net migration in the US was two point eight million.
This year we might be talking about negative net migracious.
My goodness, gracious. Now, of course this is part of
a larger story. As I was mentioning, we're talking about immigration,
net migration, we're talking about the effective tariff rate. But
get this, how is Donald Trump doing it? While he

(33:53):
is signing a ton of executive orders?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Get this?

Speaker 9 (33:56):
One hundred and eighty the most in a year. Franklin
Delano Roosevelt.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well, oh, they're so mad. Those Democrats are so.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Mad well, and they just they don't know what to do.
I mean, this is what's her name, amiche El Sindor.
She I think she reports for NBC, but U in
PBS as well, right, So she was on one of
the talk shows over the weekend and talked about why
the Democrats are scared.

Speaker 10 (34:22):
They see all this power that President Trump has amassed
and they're very shaken by it.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And they're not also.

Speaker 10 (34:27):
Unreally understanding how not only did they lose it guess
it was a close election, but they lost every battleground state.
And that's something that I think Democrats are still trying
to wrap their heads around.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
They still can't. They can't. They can't get over the
amount of power that he's grabbing. But is that any
different from any other president? No, I don't think it is.
He's going after things. Isn't he what he had to
do to get elected?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
You have to do with it with a clear public mandate,
because it was no small fee to overcome the machine,
the machine, the prosecution's law, fair, the assassination attempts, you
name it. Usually fear drives of the populace. And he
did not, and he won by numbers and with support
that we've not seen before. I think Harry Anton's right.

(35:10):
You look at those different topics. I laugh when we
talk about the tariffs. Tariffs, I mean, this is still
the boogeyman to so many. I think it was in
June they had one hundred and twenty billion dollars more
in revenue, like they saw. They're in the black. They
haven't been in the black forever. There was estimates that
Trump's tariffs would bring in three hundred billion in an
entire year, not in a given month one hundred and

(35:32):
twenty billion. So I think that those agreements you're going
to see, you're going to see reciprocal trade agreements. You're
going to see where both sides go down. But you're
also going to see a larger increase of manufacturing here.
And that's not even touching on the immigration topic. But
that is where your strength comes from. When you're able
to do the things that are hard that no one
ever had the guts to do, you do them and

(35:52):
you prove the critics wrong, which the regime media is
best attempt to try and either hide or conceal the
truth or narrated as negative. It's not working people. I
think people are seeing what how impactful he is.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Well.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Michael Marcone is who does a weekend talk show on CNN.
I think it's on Saturday, tends to be a bit
more moderate. Now, listen to this suggestion that he makes
to Democrats, And you tell me, Greg, if you think
any Democrat would ever do this.

Speaker 11 (36:17):
It might sound counterintuitive, but maybe what's in the party's
best interest is to dare I say, agree with Trump
from time to time, acknowledge wins on issues like NATO,
trade and the border, which have yielded some positive results,
even while disagreeing with the way.

Speaker 12 (36:34):
In which they can.

Speaker 11 (36:36):
It's a good thing that migration through our previously poorous
borders has slowed to a trickle, and that our NATO
allies have agreed to increase their contribution from two to
five percent of gross domestic product, and that the markets,
despite having just had a rough week, have done well
in the year to date. Inflation seems to be tamed. Plus,
while Trump's tariff policy look like it was implemented by

(36:58):
the seat of his pants. Thus far, all the doomsday
fears have not panned out.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
What a novel idea. Maybe agree with them occasionally and
see where you get.

Speaker 12 (37:08):
Well.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I heard over the weekend someone's biggest fear for as
a Republican, The biggest fear they had that the Democrats
would do is find another Clinton type leader for the party.
And by that not doesn't They're not talking about Monica
when they say that, they're talking about the guy who
got up at the State of the Union said the
era of big government is over. That is a Republican saying.

(37:30):
Republicans and Ronald Reagan have always talked about the size
of government and a government closer to the people, in
the federal government shrinking. But he got up once they
lost the midterms and they had lost control of Congress
first time in forty years, and he got up to
the American people said the era of big government is over.
And he did it. He actually implemented with New Gingrich's
Republican Congress welfare reform. They balanced the budget, if you

(37:52):
can believe it. The Democrats didn't just automatically say whatever
the Republicans say, we're going to be the opposite no
matter what. They actually try to find where the people
are going and wanted to lead there. Whether it was
genuine or not, they were doing that. This party doesn't
know how to do that. They have Trump derangement syndrome
so severely. They can't agree with him on a single thing.

(38:13):
It doesn't matter what he would do, they can't do it.
They don't have the they don't have the ability.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
And they're doing antics like they're doing in Texas right now,
what was it, fifty lawmakers left Texans. They're in Illinois.
I'm watching some video on right now being given a
heroes welcome for leaving the state and not doing their
job because they don't like the redistricting plan the governor
Abbot wants to do. You know what, I that's a gimmick.
And the American people say, come on, can we act
like adults?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
So they're not about that, some of them, some of
the some of the Democrats say well, okay, in California,
we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it, you know,
by the way. And now Morrison wanted the independent one
to do it all because because the Independents were all leftists.
But he's ready to rewrite it. The problem that the
blue states have is that they've already gamed it up
so much did already you can't you can't game it
worse than you already have, so you don't have anywhere

(39:00):
to go. Whereas I think these blue red states actually
do have some redistricting we can do and are doing
so anyway, we'll.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
See keep it up, playing right into our hands, I know,
love it, love it all right when we come back,
is the gate to the American dream closing? Greg and
I will have some thoughts on that and get your
reaction to it coming up on The Rotten Greg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.
Greg is back with us after a week off. All right, Greg,
if I were, if I were to ask you right

(39:29):
now define the American dream? How would you define the
American dream?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Wife? Kids, dog, house, and a white picket fence.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Boy, that's traditional.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's what I think of. I thought it as a kid,
So I always thought the American dream would be, Yeah,
I have a wife and a kid, family and a
house and a great good job.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
And you know, well I I certainly a good job. Yes,
a family and a house are pillars of the middle
class in America right in that what everyone grew up
and that's what they wanted.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And a dog. And you have to have a dog.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
You have to have dog.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yes, not a cat, a dog.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Okay, Yes, I've had dogs, don't have them now.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I have a dog.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Don't have to worry about cats. My wife's allergic to them, which,
thank you, thanks, thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's a terrible thing. No, part of the American dream
is having a dog.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Well, do you think the gate to the American dream
is closed?

Speaker 4 (40:23):
You have?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
You have kids?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I do. They're in their twenties.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
They're in their twenties, as if they ever talked to
you about the future and dad, are we going to
be able to afford a house? Are we going to
do this?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But no, they haven't. But but I know I do worry.
I look at them at the ages that they are
versus my age when I was their age, and what
I was trying to do, going to college, trying to
start a new business. Uh, and my you know what
things cost and what I could or couldn't do. I
lived in and this was in the nineties, and I

(40:53):
had a very different I had much. My opportunities were
a plenty compared to what I think our kids have
by way of affordability of homes. Just I just think
everything is prohibitively expensive and very difficult for a young
person to plan to settle down, have roots, you know,
start a family in a in a town and a

(41:14):
community long term. I don't. I don't see the same environment.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Well, there's a new study out that says that basically
calls the threat to the American dream. Now the critical
civil civilization problem, a civilization problem, yes, that is taking
place in this country. And here's what they say. Unemployment
is low, right, it's relatively low right now, but there
are no new job openings, very few new job openings

(41:40):
right now. Divorce is down, but so is marriage, right, Okay.
Home values are at historic highs in much of the US,
but home sales are at the slowest in a generation.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yes, all this, I've witnessed all of these factors. These
are not theories, all true. Yeah, but you know you
can thank the left for this. This is they They
didn't want you to get married. They told women that
you know, that's a cop out, or that you don't
have to be married to hear me. Roared that you
you need to be independent, that marriage can slow you down.
It's it's it's they've you know people. They even argued

(42:18):
rod that that the young people don't even want to
have a home. They don't want to settle down, they
don't want roots in a community. They don't want to
live near the family that they grew up in or
their grandparents or cousins. They don't want to do this.
They've stigmatized this, or have at least attempted to. Well,
you know, this is now. You can't complain that that
young people can't afford a home when you are just

(42:40):
ripping on the whole concept for thirty years.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Do you know? I know of several families who whose
children have gotten married recently and have moved in with
mom and dad. They can't find a house. They can't
afford a house, Yeah, that is true, or even an
apartment anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, no, I it's I've seen it. I've seen it
as well. My kids right now, they're not at that
point living at home. Well one does live at home,
but the other two don't. But it's a very viable
scenario that could happen in the Hughes home going forward,
because I don't know how you're supposed to how you're
supposed to be able to have a down payment, you know,

(43:18):
twenty percent down, eighty percent loan to value, thirty year morgan.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
And a monthly payment of more than two thousand dollars
on a home.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, and it's like a shared walled, you know, town
home if you're lucky.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yeah, what do you think the problem is on homes?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
It's a supplying demand deal. It's a supplying demand. Look
I when I when I drove into this valley, I'm
the pioneer in my family. I came in a Suzuki
samurai in ninety one, right, and so there was a
lot more land, there was a lot more opportunity. That
the population was at like a million and a half
back then, not three and a half million like it

(43:53):
is now. I just think that there was. I came
in a different curve in Utah's population grow and availability
for a private part. We have no private property in
the state. It's still undeveloped. I'm telling you, we're developing
every square inch and you have to tear down and
rebuild if you want to build anything. And what we
keep doing is we keep just building on top of
ourselves in four counties out of twenty nine. That is unsustainable.

(44:16):
That's not going to work. And so we're just we
have a population growth, but we do not have the
supply of land or area to really grow out. And
that's if you go to Dallas Fort Worth, you can
just the reason it's all flat and they could just
keep going further and further out. I mean, if it
was too expensive here go till there's nothing there, and
then you build there. It was cheaper they there the

(44:38):
urban sprawl or the suburban sprawl. Some people complain about it,
but at least there was an opportunity to grow a
new community. I mean, we're we've run out of that way.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
We're pretty well landlocked.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
We're hitting Jewab and I don't know how much further
south do you want to go? Going south? I don't
know where it is going north, but no, I do.
I think that there's a supply and demand problem, and
it's an artificial problem too. Talked about this on the show.
When the government owns federal government owns sixty five plus
percent of your whole state, and you can't go anywhere,
and when you get off the four Wassach county counties counties,

(45:10):
it becomes eighty five percent of that of that county's
land mass or higher. Where are you supposed to grow?
Where are you supposed to see industry and homes and
communities grow? It's a challenge.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Well, you know what I'd like to hear from listeners
today about the American dream? Maybe from moms and dads
who kids have gotten married and are going we can't
find a place to live. We can't afford a new home.
We can't do this, and what kind of stress that
is putting on that young family. And the jobs are
the job The job market is changing, yes, I mean
those entry level jobs. This report indicated some, but soon

(45:47):
a lot of entry level jobs will be taken over
by AI.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
We'll need you you know what. And then to that,
I say, everybody's staying nimble. Just be smart, learn how
to learn, keep going. The economy is going to change
as it always has. But if you if you're if
you're if you're bailing out because you think your job's
going to be taken, you're already you're already disadvantaged. Be nimble,
but be ready because I do think that the economy
and how we work and what we were changing is

(46:11):
going to change in real time. But I do believe
that we can all adjust to that.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
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missed you a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I missed I missed the listeners. I missed. I hate
to say you, because you know you're sitting right here.
You'll hear me if I say it.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, Well it's nice to say you missed me.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
We missed you texted me? I texted you a hundred times.
You know, no text me. You didn't text you never
text me to see how it's going.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Well, that is so wrong.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I'd send you pictures.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Just that is so wrong. Well, you're showing off your
new classes.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, it's taking pictures with them. Yeah, your new glasses,
Hi tech and lost music on too.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
For you. Well, there's a new study out that talks
about the American dream, and people are now saying the
two foundations of the American dream the middle class homeownership
and a job, and both are rapidly disappearing for people.
And we're getting your calls as to what's going on. Why,
If you you know our audience, they may have some
children who've gotten married of late, can't find a place

(47:24):
to live, can't afford a place to live? What are
you seeing out there when it comes to home ownership
and good paying jobs?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Greg, So let's go to our listeners and hear what
they have to say. Let's go to David and Cedar Hills. David,
thank you for holding and welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
So, first of all, I just want to bring a
different curve to this whole conversation. Number one, it's because
people don't know what they don't know, and they need
to find out from good guides exactly what to do financially,
exactly how to start wisely. And the Fottom line is

(47:59):
anybody can afford a house. It might not be in
the conventional sense of you go out and you put
down a down payment, you save up, puts down down payment.
There are so many different ways that you can buy
a house. Maybe not the first house is the house
you're going to live in, or maybe it is, but
it's a multiple instead of a single. There are so

(48:21):
many ways. I don't want any young person to think
that the end is here and it's near. It's not.
If we become aware politically, spiritually, financially. There's two things
that we don't teach in schools. Financial and spiritual, and

(48:41):
that's where we've lost our way. We've got to get
back to the basics. But there are so many vehicles
available to us the Internet. AI. I just read today
about an AI story where physicists used AI to try
to discover new law, new things in physics that we're

(49:02):
here too for for unknown and the AI was successful
in doing it. There are so many opportunities coming with AI.
There are so many opportunities coming with with AI. You
got to get out of the rut of depending on
other people for your occupation. You got to use your creativity, imagination,

(49:24):
and your gumption and drive to go out and do
something that others aren't doing. The trade jobs there are
the Chinese. The Chinese are outpacing us two hundred ships
to one. If we had a war on a se
they've won.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, they have. David, I don't want We've.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Got other calls. I like the enthusiasm too. I do
think that is the American he he his just his
tone is the American grit, and we we will find
those smart ways to do it. Were there's a lot
of upside that we need to in the times that
we're in adapt to them, learn from them and be
able to to move on. And I've got something to
say about some of the pressures that are happening economically

(50:06):
in multiple sectors in this country that I think they
are impacting us. But if we want to get the call.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
You know, I just wanted to throw in one thing.
We have adjusted. America's labor force has adjusted. We're what
two hundred and fifty years old next year. How many
changes have we gone through from an agrarian society to
an industrial society and now to a digital society, and
we always seem to have adjusted, and I think we
will have. We got challenges, certainly, but I think we

(50:32):
will adjust. Greg.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Sure, let's go back to our listeners. Let's go to
Mark and West Point Mark. Welcome to the Ron and
Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (50:40):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. If you go back in the history US,
it was wide open, went down during the wars, went
down during the depressions, opened back up after World War Two.
But what I think happened since then is our opportunity oscillates.
It opens and closes. Based now since about Jimmy Carter

(51:02):
on on who's in in power. Every time we have
socialism in charge, it closes every time we have opportunity.
It opens up right now. We are in a situation.
We went through Bill Clinton close, Barack Obama really closed.
Biden close opened under Trump as much as he could.
It's opening under Trump. If if the vice president gets in,

(51:26):
that's eight more years. But if they get back, that
thing is going to slam shut. The amount of time
that we have to recover for what they do is
decreasing rapidly.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Boy, you make a very good point.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I agree what Harry Enton said. What Trump has signed
one hundred and eighty executive orders in its first six
seven months now in office. A democratic president could get
and reverse every one of those in a minute.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
We see that. We saw that, We saw that.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
With Biden, and I think we could see it again
as well. You had a point you wanted to make.
This is the point I wanted to think.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
It's very import There has been hard resets in our economy,
appropriately so so Teddy Roosevelt. When you had Carnegie running
from you know, iron ore all the way to the
steel and the products that it would build, you had
one individual or one company that was really in charge
of it all. You had Rockefellers that really had the
oil industry under their control, the supply chain. You saw

(52:20):
Teddy Roosevelt break up the monopolies and hard reset the
economy FDR. There's not a lot discussed about this, but
FDR did this with Boeing was building the planes and
owned American airlines and they were really the only game
in town. Many examples like that during FDR's time where
he reset the economy to reintroduce competition again because there
have been some monopolistic you know, good successful businessman, but

(52:43):
then they took it all. You had it with Bell
telephone when they broke it up. We have in financial
services today hedge funds that are buying They bought one
hundred one point five million homes last year alone. One
come black Rock alone. You have China coming in and
buying homes. We don't know this, but they're coming in.
I'm reading the post where they up there by eighty

(53:05):
three percent year over year. We have to have laws
that are protecting the American people from form and we
have these laws that are on the books now in Utah.
Now you've got to enforce those laws and figure out
how to get that ownership. You have these hedge fund
companies that are buying veterinarian clinics. You have them buying
plumbing companies, the services where they are just consolidating these things.

(53:28):
There needs to be a look. Do our laws that
are antitrust laws, they were done, they were created under
the industrial era, do they actually capture the financial services
that are consolidating and monopolizing a lot of commerce in
this country, including the home buying. We cannot have hedge

(53:49):
funds that buy up complete subdivisions and rent them out
to everybody. We have to be able to have home ownership.
And I think these hedge funds and the financial side
of it has gone is become too powerful. It is far,
far too powerful, and it needs a hard reset, much
like we saw in different eras where the economy changed
and to your point, we pivot, but you need a

(54:10):
government that at least allows us to see that competition run.
If these big, large bill multi billion dollar multinational corporations
can buy every home that's ever built, yeah we're all
we're going back to a cast system in this country.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
You know what, Greg and I people are just starting
to wake up to that fact. I think I had
a realtor must be five seven years ago now told
me about this and said, I said, what's going on here?
He said, You've got these large companies like black Rock
coming in and buying up homes, and you know what,
they can sit on them. They don't have to sell them.

(54:45):
Like if a home owner is trying to sell one
home to get into another, they need to sell it.
These companies don't need to sell them. They'll sit there
until they get the price they want and they don't
worry about it. And that's just driving up the cost
even more. And the other issue that this realtor told me,
people are asking a price and people are paying it.
So if they keep on pain, they're going to keep

(55:05):
on asking these prices. Yeah, that's what's going on.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
And so yeah, you have that. And I think that
the financial sectors that are that are just swallowing up
different economic sectors in our country. There needs to be
some antitrust legislation. It looks at that to reintroduce the
free you know, the free market and competition, because I
think we're losing that in real time.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, all right, more coming up New York. Calls eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on your
cell phone dial pound two fifteen and say hey, Rod
or leave us a message on our talk back line.
We'll get to all of that coming up right here
on Utah's talk right he on one oh five nine
k nrs.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Will never be a part, and that's important to me.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
It will never be a part. Yeah, it's important to you.
All right, it is all right? Is the gate closing
on the American dream. We're getting your thoughts on that
tonight eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero.
Cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod
or on our talkback line you can leave a message.
Let's go back to the phones and talk with Trent
Stagg in the riverton tonight. Trent, how are you welcome

(56:02):
back to the show, Mayor Stags mayors tags.

Speaker 13 (56:06):
I'm doing great. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
My friends, We're doing well. What are your thoughts on this, Trent?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Well?

Speaker 13 (56:11):
I think yeah, I think you're spot on in Greg's
comments just earlier, to the extent that UTAH has taken
care of with foreign ownership of housing with some good bills.
But you know, in the last session, H one did
provide an opportunity unfortunately did not get passed that could
have given priority to owner occupied housing and not wall

(56:33):
street landlords. And I've talked at length about this issue
where you know, almost twenty percent of all housing now
single family homes in the state are owned by corporations,
and a good chunk now increasingly by by these large institutions.
And I think Gregg is exactly right, that's a problem.
I've seen it in my own community where you know,

(56:55):
we have this housing issue and so many single family
homes end up being being instructed and only made available
for rent, and so that that is a huge problem
in our state and increasingly so. And I wish that
legislation would pass and enable cities like mine and others
to go in there and ensure that owner occupancy is

(57:17):
given a priority with respect to new housing.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Troup, what do you think. I know you work also
with the small you work with the Administration of Small
Business Administration. Is that right?

Speaker 13 (57:30):
That's right? Yeah, just the other month appointed by President
Trump and the SBA's Office of Advocacy, so.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Federally speaking, anti trust laws, is there something you can
we can do about those? Because they look at somebody,
you can't buy a hospital, can't buy a bunch of
hospitals if they're going to have too much market dominance
that they stare at issues of market availability and competition
all the time, but you don't see it in this
space of home ownership. Do you think there's room for
that federally.

Speaker 13 (57:59):
Well, I would like to see definitely with respect of
federal pieces. I know we can all agree that if
federal lands were made available to construct on. I think
the Houses Act that Senator Lee has been trying to
advocate for, we really need.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Coming up on a heartbreak.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Sorry to cut you off, thanks Trent, story to cut
you off. All right. When we come back, we'll talk
about where are their pro life senators? That's coming up
on The Rodden Greg Show. It's so much fun. It's
just enjoyable. I love you don't even pay attention to

(58:37):
the clock.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I love when our listeners call in. I don't even
pay attention to the clock. I don't. I totally go over.
I asked a question as ryters we're coming off.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Heartbreak on the top of here, saying don't ask you.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Literally launched a flare gun in the studio. I didn't
see a thing. I wanted to ask that question so
bad you did, I would not be interrupted, survived, We
made it. Yeah, you're so patient. Yeah, you're welcome. We've
got a bit the hour coming you away. Brad Wilcox.
We'll talk to Brad in just a minute. We were
able to reach out to Brett Toleman. He was tied
up when we tried to get him earlier. He's going

(59:10):
to be coming on and we'll talk about the DOJ
and voter rolls. But first of all, Greg, let's talk about,
you know, whatever happened to pro family senators?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Where are they going to? What's happened to him?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Well, let's find out. Yeah, it's like a where's Waldo.
Let's find the pro life senators if we have any
joining us on the program. Brad Wilcox, Brad, welcome to
the program.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
It's good to be here with you guys.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
So here's my question. There's a lot I want to
dive into. You have a great column here asking where
are these pro family senators? To tell me why did
you write the call um and what's your what's your
take on our Senate and the issue of family and
being pro family?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Well, you know, last the last Congress, actually both Senators
Mitt Romney and Senators Mike Lee and then Senator jd
Vance all articulated kind of different ways that commitment to
a more generous child tax credit that basically goes to
all working families, you know, across the US, and that
would include families that have a stay at home parent
you know, in the mix. And by contrast, in this Senate,

(01:00:14):
what we saw is the Senate Finance Committee took the
House version of the child tax credit, which was twenty
five hundred dollars, and knocked it down to twenty two
hundred dollars, so reduce the amount of money for kind
of all families with kids in the household. And then
they turned around and devoted an additional sixteen billion dollars
worth of tax credits just to families who have their

(01:00:36):
kids in some kind of formal paid childcare. So I
was just sort of wondering, you know, where all the
pro family Republicans who would be I think, you know,
supporting families to kind of make those choices for themselves
about how to care for their kids, rather than just
favoring two earner families who are paying for childcare.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Brad, what do you think happened all of a sudden,
What change do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Well, I think part of the challenges that some of
the pro family senators like mtt Romney retired, some moved
into the administration, like Marco Rubio and Jadie Vance. And
then I think some of the freshmen, like you're Senator
John Curtis there, you know in Utah, maybe didn't have
the kind of like you know, standing as a new
senator to kind of make ways, you know, for a

(01:01:20):
more pro family agenda. And I think there are you know,
there's still plenty of Republicans in the Senate who kind
of just would favor spending more of their kind of
political capital on tax cuts for business than they would
for ordinary American families. And that's sort of what happened
with the situation. But then also we had Senator britt

(01:01:42):
from Alabama who was a big advocate for these new
measures to boost tax cuts for you know, folks with
childcare as you know, their expense, and I don't think
she fully realized in doing this she was actually ben
sitting primarily upper income families who are you know, often

(01:02:04):
in some of our most privileged in the communities in
the country. We found the bats play Cambridge, Massachusetts and Narbura,
Michigan are the places of any benefiting from this, not
exactly the working class or you know, socially conservative pillars
that have made up the Republican Party in recent years.
Obviously Cambridge, Massachusets and Arburn not exactly Republican strongholds. It's

(01:02:26):
a bit of a mystery why Senator Britt really pushed
all these childcare measures that tend to benefit rich and
more educated and affluent founders across the US.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
So it makes perfect sense to me the distinction you're drawing,
but maybe you could share with our listeners. So Biden
wants billions and billions of dollars when he was president
on paid at childcare institutions. He wants the brick and mortar.
He wants these places that you would take your kids,
and he wants to give them the money. What you're
talking about as a child tax credit that actually just
brings more keeps more money in the pockets of these

(01:02:55):
working families so they have more choices and they can
decide themselves how they want to manage the childcare themselves.
Why is that an important distinction, the actual paying of
childcare facilities versus making resources of dollars available for families
to make that choice on their own. Why is that important?

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Yeah, great question. I mean the beauty of the Child
Task Credit is it gives families, you know, the opportunity
to kind of use that money to steer in whatever
direction I want to. It could be to help, you know,
moms stay at home. It could be to help you know,
pay for childcare outside the home. It could be to
help kind of you know, grandma kind of be part
of the mix as well. You just kind of live,
you know, leave families the choice in terms of how

(01:03:36):
to best care for their own kids. Vin kind of
assumed that a one size fits all model, and that
one size fits all model is Senator around both parents
working outside the home is the way to go. And so,
you know, I supported Senator Romney's approach to what was
called the Family Security Act when he was a Senator,
and that was just a good way of you know,

(01:03:58):
offering families unrish child tax credit that they could again
use as they thought best for them and their own
kids well being.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Let me ask you this, Brett, in your opinion, is
the issue dead right now or do you think Republicans
can pick it up and carry the ball again.

Speaker 12 (01:04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
I think part of the challenge here was that, you know,
the Senate Finals Committee was trying to sort of, you know,
basically get a certain kind of budget score, you know,
on this one big, beautiful bill they just got through
the Congress, and so that was one constraint for them
when it came to the child tax credit, and I
kind of get that, Rod, But what I found, Misterfying,

(01:04:36):
was then they turned around and you know, spent basically
more money on three different measures that only benefit families
that have you know, paid childcare. So that's that's what
kind of got me when I discovered that two weeks ago,
and and that led me to write this up. And
again Senator britt from Alabama, and I don't think Alabama
is really a citadel of you know, this often kind

(01:04:57):
of more progressive, college educated in high income, you know group.
It's most likely used chocolate. It's a bit mystifying to
me why she was pushing this, but she did. She
got through the Senate Finance Committee and then through the
whole Senate. So that's what we saw on fold. And
I'm hoping that, you know, in the months ahead, Senator
John Curtis and Senator Mike Lee, among others, could help

(01:05:19):
us revisit this whole approach and do one of two things.
They could expand the child tax Credit for all families.
Or and this would be a rather kind of creative twist,
they could make ways now called the Childcare Tax Credit
available to families who have a parent at home who
is caring for the kids. And just basically, again, as

(01:05:39):
long as there's at least one parent working, which is
part of the you know, kind of rationale for this
particular tax credit, they could open it up to families
who have a parent at home, and then that'll be
a much more you know, just an equitable approach to
again kind of giving families a choice about how best
to support with their kicks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
So you mentioned Mike Lee, and we have Josh Holly,
we have Marsa Blackburn. These senators are still carrying the
torch in terms of empowering families, keeping more money in
their pockets to make these decisions, hopefully seeing a home
a parent that can stay home where this could make
it a reality of the new You mentioned Senator Curtis,
he's a brand new senator. What are the other give

(01:06:21):
us some other senators that we should be looking at
to maybe pick up where Marco Rubio did or a JD.
Vance did, who are the other senators we should be
watching for this leadership?

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
So Senator Jim Banks in Indiana has already kind of
indicated his interesting kind of pushing in this direction. He
actually has legislation kind of that he has, you know,
basically put forward that would steer some of this childcare
tax credit money towards families who elected to have a
parent home. So he's one I think guy to watch
again in Indiana. And then other guy to watch is

(01:06:55):
Senator Bernie Marino in Ohio. I think he's you know,
advanced to kind of intro and pursuing a kind of
more family first policy Agenda two that might help to
kind of create a you know, a center of gravity
in the Senate that would be more directed towards helping
working middle class families, you know, address the challenges they

(01:07:17):
face now and raising the next generation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Brad, as always, we love your insight into these issues.
Thanks for taking a few minutes today to talk to us.
Thank you, Brad, Thanks for I appreciate it. All right,
that's Brad Wilcock. Brad is a sociology professor at the
University of Virginia. Fellow for the Institute for Family and
Studies also works with a Sulolan Institute here in the
state of Utah, and it's a real issue. I hope

(01:07:40):
something down the road here can be done with this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Greg. Yeah, well, the big, the big red flag is
that the Democrats and Biden they want a one size
fits all childcare facility that will teach curriculum and social
mediating your kid from you know, from cradle to grave.
And that's what they want. They do not want parents
to heaven forbid, have a parent that could stay home
and be able to afford it, or give them some

(01:08:04):
financial flexibility to maybe have grandma part of the equation
or something like that. I I, I really do. I'm
glad he wrote that article because I think that's something
we should be paying a lot of attention to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
All Right, more coming up, we'll talk about crime and
illegal immigration. That's next here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n R S.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I'm citizen US and that's narc brought and marks me
out again.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I'm just saying there are things that, yes, you know,
we couldn't talk about on the on the radio, but
we can during break.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
You'd be fair. It was about hockey.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
So that's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
All right. Hey, did you know that crime is down
in America?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I have?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Have you heard that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
There's been there's been talk about it's all the buzz.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
There's a new report out from the Council on Criminal
Justice basically saying that crime is down. But they don't
quite make an interesting connection. And that's why we thought
we'd bring our next gues Brett Tolman, former US Attorney
for Utah, executive director of Right on Crime. Brett, how
are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
What's the connection do you see? Bret?

Speaker 14 (01:09:11):
Well, I think it's fascinating that, you know, sometimes the
simplest explanation is the most accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
And what changed?

Speaker 14 (01:09:20):
We've seen crime, you know, raging over the last several
years in different pockets and some of our big cities
and in large part a lot of our blue cities,
you know, Democrat runs cities, and all of a sudden
we're talking major reductions in the crime rate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
And what is the consequence? You know, what was the factor?

Speaker 14 (01:09:44):
And I look back and I see an immediate connection.
And I would love to see, you know, researchers spend
time on this but I see an effort to shut
down the border, which has all but closed down drug
you know, the highway of drugs that have that are
coming into this country and trafficking, and the individuals that

(01:10:09):
are coming in, many of them have felon felonies and
they're they're wreaking havoc in a lot of our big cities.
And all of a sudden, the crime rate drops drastically
as soon as President Trump's you know, starts as president.
And I see the biggest factor being that he has
shut the border down, and they're doing aggressive arresting and

(01:10:30):
deportation of those that are dangerous and in our country illegally.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
You know, Britt I, I. There's a couple of websites,
so ICE has different regional regional offices have their own
X page, and they will they will oftentimes highlight the
people that they are removed removals and deportations and and
so I see these a lot, and I and I'm
taking note. It seems like if you've committed a crime
and you are and you have a previous criminal record

(01:10:57):
and are here illegally, your chances of being removed are
deported under Trump are exponentially higher and Now that you
see deputy sheriffs that are working with ICE and they
have access to the database so they know who it
is they're they're arresting with a prior record, or that
they're here illegally, it all starts to as you've pointed out,
the dominoes start to fall. Is it within them? Is

(01:11:17):
it part of the decision tree of those that might
be here illegally and are part of affiliated with gangs
and and our criminals to not commit crimes because doing
one could actually get them deported pretty quickly. Do you
think that's in the decision tree of these illegals that
are that are also criminals.

Speaker 14 (01:11:36):
You know, it used to be greg that when I
was US Attorney, for example, we had a high priority
on working with our state and local law enforcement partners
and and helping them like we we were assisting them
because they were the they're the front row of major crime, murder, rate, burglary.

(01:11:59):
You know that those kind of crimes are not US
attorney crime, you know, prosecuted crimes. That's what our states
are dealing with, and we were full partners. We slowly
got pulled away and the Feds, you know, the priority
of the FBI became intelligence gathering rather than working crime.
And I think to your question, I think they've they've seen,

(01:12:22):
you know, those that are coming in illegally, they're not
just coming those that are coming in that want to
work and they want to improve you know, their their
you know experience here here in the in whatever state
they're coming into. There are those, but there are many
that were accustomed to a life of crime and they

(01:12:43):
didn't want to get caught in the country, therefrom because
the prisons are brutal, and they were hearing that there's
not as much enforcement anymore under the Biden presidency.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
So what did they do. They came here, and they
came here and.

Speaker 14 (01:13:00):
Droves in an effort to live the life that they
wanted to live, which is a life of crime, drugs,
and you know that kind of environment is easy to
you know, thrive in that environment. Now they're panicked because
we're seeing communication again between state and local law enforcement
and the FADS and they are on a mission to

(01:13:21):
get rid of those that want to be criminal.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Brett. You've heard them characterized as being Nazis or the Gestapo,
and the left is very critical of what they call
the harsh tactics of what is taking place in this
country right now. What's your reaction to that when you
hear that, Brett.

Speaker 14 (01:13:38):
Rod I have had individuals reach out to me and
say that, you know, when I when I made this
connection between immigration enforcement and the crime rates, you know,
just incensed and said that, you know, what the administration
is doing is akin to rounding up people we don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
And it is unbelievable to me.

Speaker 14 (01:13:59):
Because there were, you know, massive deportation efforts and prosecution
efforts under Obama, under Bush, under Clinton, because they all
knew and were honestly assessing the fact that that border,
if you don't have security on the border, you have
an invasion, and you have an invasion of criminals that
want to do drugs, deal in human trafficking, sex trafficking,

(01:14:21):
and everything else. And the cartels are running this. They
are running it. It is a narco state in Mexico.
And they knew that under Biden. And right now, it's
no coincidence that when Trump decides to designate the cartels
as ftos foreign terrorist organizations, we now all of a
sudden have the cartels on the run.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
And that's never happened in the history of this country.
You mentioned Mexico. You know, we're seeing sadly because every
state feels like a border state some of the law
enforcement issues that the federal law enforcement in Mexico have
to do cover their faces. This is for doxing, but
even worse, this could be for the targeting of their
family members. But I've been shocked at how many people
think this is just mean and not right to cover

(01:15:04):
their faces. If this is like they just want to,
they just I don't know what they think the reason is.
But maybe you could share with our listeners. Why why
has it come to that where you have ice, you know,
members of vice law enforcement who have to cover their faces.

Speaker 14 (01:15:19):
Yeah, they do because they are being targeted, their families
are being targeted. It's not just threats of violence. There's
actual violence that's being carried out against many of these
these agents.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
And yet recruitment is going up.

Speaker 14 (01:15:34):
Why because the country, the majority is firmly and squarely
behind the effort to secure the border in this country.
And if we do that, and like we have so far,
and there's still more to do, but they have enacted
the perfect plan to shut down the border and prevent

(01:15:54):
more drugs and more crime coming in. Now, we just
got to deal with those that are in the country,
and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
What we want to done. Brett is always great chatting
with you. Thanks for your time tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Thank you, Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Former US Attorney for the State of Utah, Brett Tolman
also with the Right on Crime Organization as well. All right,
a lot more to get to. Final half hour the
Rodd and Greg Show coming down. They set up this tint,
this protest tint somewhere in Minnesota where if you hate
Trump you can go in and smash a pumpkin. Apparently
it makes you feel good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Is this? Yeah? Trumped arrangements? And what are you to
do when he's done with this next term?

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I mean, well, they'll hate him. They'll hate him for
the next ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
How will they? Yeah, they will, they will, I mean
think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
They just won't get over it. All right. Well, the
Trump administration, well it's DOJ's finally doing something that I
think Greg and I support wholeheartedly, and that is cleaning
up voter rolls and joining us on our newsmaker line
to talk more about that. As their good friend Ward
Clark from Red State, Ward, how are you welcome back?
To the show.

Speaker 8 (01:16:55):
Hi Rod, thanks for having me back. You may have
given me an idea. I may have to advocate for
a tent so we can smash pumpkins in protest of
Lisa Murkowski.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yes, sign me up for that tent. I'm ready to go.

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
Ward.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
What is the do OJ doing now when it comes
to voter rolls?

Speaker 8 (01:17:15):
Well, there there, as you point out, there's there's a
nationwide effort.

Speaker 9 (01:17:19):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:17:20):
You know, Attorney General Bondi is pushing it seems to
be pushing this personally, trying to get the Civil Rights
Division to look at every state that isn't complying or
that their allegations isn't complying with federal election laws. They're
looking at California, that should be a big one. They're
looking at Wisconsin, Utah. These aren't all blue states. Utah

(01:17:42):
is a fairly red state, you know, outside of as
you guys know, outside of Salt Lake City. But but
any this is even handed. Any any state that is
have some shenanigans or or just isn't complying, They're they're
going to get looked at. There's going to be subinas,
there's going to be there's going to be result of this,
and I think it's going to take months, if not years,

(01:18:03):
to completely clean up all the way because the Democrats
will resist it every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
So I hear some people say, and I can't believe
I'm hearing it because it's not coming from left of
center like you would expect the right of center, saying
we don't want to federalize our elections. We don't want
the federal government to have access to our voter rules.
This will consolidate power, and when Trump leaves office, if
a Democrat were to take office, this can harm us.
What do you say to that. I mean, these sound

(01:18:30):
like pannikins to me, but they're actually Republicans that think
that this would be a bad idea to work with
the DOJ.

Speaker 8 (01:18:36):
Well, I hear that, and I understand the concern. I'm
mostly a state level guy myself, and the Constitution gives
most of the responsibility for elections to the states. But
with that said, they're not talking about passing any new laws.
They're not talking about making any new rules. They're talking

(01:18:56):
about the states obeying the federal election laws, the Voting
Rights Act and other ones that are already on the books.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Lord, what kind of a mess. Should should we expect?
Did they dig into all of this?

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
That's a good question. I would expect an enormous mess.
I would expect on the precinct level, you're going to
see probably some fraudulent counts. You're going to see efforts
to add those voter rolls. I'm guessing here, But you
saw what happened in Philadelphia and the twenty twenty elections.
You saw what happened in any number of other places,

(01:19:33):
and granted those are a lot of them in blue jurisdictions.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
So you know, I saw a poll, and every demographic
in this Rasmussen poll, whether it was white, whether it
was by gender, by age, by color, they all supported
having a photo ID to vote by sixty nine percent

(01:20:00):
or hire. But then when they broke it down by
political party, somehow the Democrats went down to but it's
still a good number, sixty four percent. There wasn't a
there wasn't a cross tab in the poll where I
could find anyone lower than sixty nine percent. I don't
even know where Democrats registered. Democrats got to sixty four percent.
But if the worst you can do is sixty four
percent of Democrats being the lowest majority, want of ID

(01:20:25):
when they vote. Why is this an issue? Why isn't
this just a slam dunk?

Speaker 8 (01:20:30):
This is another issue which the National Democratic Party is
on the wrong side of. They're on the ten percent
of of a ninety ten issue, and you had the
actual numbers, it wasn't quite to that point.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
But you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:46):
Can't cash a check, you can't buy a bottle of booze,
you can't buy a car or a truck without an ID.
It's absolutely ridiculous to question the idea of having to
show an ID to vote. I mean, this is a
civic responsibility. That is the exercise of frankly, the exercise
of force with our with our vote, we're we're voting

(01:21:08):
to give people power over us. Only government can coerce uh,
and we're voting for the people who are going to
be wielding that power of coercion. The least we could
do is to make sure someone who's voting is actually
who they say they are and national This is going
to cost National Democrats. Even their own party is turning
against him on this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Yeah, any idea. We were surprised when Utah was on
that list. Did it surprise you as well? Ward or
shouldn't we be surprised.

Speaker 8 (01:21:37):
It it did, but not tremendously. There's a there, and
what it tells me is it tells me they're looking
at the facts on the ground. They're they're not looking
at red states versus blue states. They're looking at all
the states and saying, Okay, these are the these are
the places where we have problems. It doesn't matter if
they're a publican dominated state, doesn't matter if they're democratically
nominate dominated state. They're either following the federal laws on

(01:22:03):
elections or they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
What's the cure if we don't want federal we don't
want federalized elections. We want states to be able to
administer their elections. And to your point, there's not any
proposed federal legislation. They're just they're just trying to bring
more transparency and understand what's happening. But let's say you
find a state, whatever state it may be, where there
is a there are discrepancies, there isn't a chain of
custody or transparency has made it so we don't know

(01:22:26):
for sure. What's the cure to something like that? In
your mind, well, the.

Speaker 8 (01:22:32):
Cure is going to be the Justice Department if they
start dragging people in under these federal statutes and start
some grand juries going. I would hate to see it
come to that with our election process, but it might.
I mean Iraq could run secure elections. They did it,
but literally having people poke their finger in a jar

(01:22:55):
of purple dye, so as they say, okay, I voted
and you can't go back through again. If Iraq can
do it, post Saddam Asain Iraq anyway, you remember his
elections where he got ninety the vote. You know, if
they can do it, we can.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
I agree with you. Ward is always love your insight,
love the reporting things. Ward, Yes, thank you, thank you
guys all right. Ward Clark, contributor at Red State. Yeah.
I mean, if rack can do it, why can't America?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Their first go at it too, like they hadn't had
a real election forever, and then they did it, and
they did it exactly as Ward said. They you couldn't go,
you couldn't vote twice. There was a way to stop you.
You think in twenty twenty five we might be able
to do that, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
I said, have to quy if Florida which is how
many times bigger than Utah?

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Six seven, times bigger easily. If they can get their
techt their their their election results before that night of
the election, why can't Utah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, no, it's it is a very good question. I
happen to know. Some of the answers are how long
we know we should able to It could be like that,
come on, we have to do whatever is in your
possession at eight o'clock on the end of election night.
And I think there's a law that just passed it
did this, that's all that you're gonna You're not waiting
for ten more days for more mail to trickle so
called trickle in anyway? Know?

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
All right? More coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show in Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k
n RS. You don't know, you know how bet I
want to bring up something, but I'm not going to don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
I don't even know what you're gonna say with them
to I'm not going to do. Oh now, I know
what you're gonna say. Yeah, don't so listen, you know
what you just betray trust? Is what you do? You
betray my trust. That's all you ever do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Well, we can talk about this maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Maybe tomorrow, Maybe I'll find.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Out but you'll know for sure in a few hours.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Do you know how up you married?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Oh, I'm punching above my weight, admitted, I'm not kidding
you when I say that. Like, I'm happy for this
Sweeney woman who's on the commercial saying that blonde hair,
blue eyed people don't have to be you know, have
to be and look down upon talking to my wife
and she's you know, that's good to see that blonde hair,
blue eyed women can you know, talk about their good genes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I love the fact that Trump came out said, oh,
she's a Republican. Oh, I really like her. She is,
she's always made sense. Then they released that she's gun
toting man. She's good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
I didn't know that. Yeah, she's good. I think that
the you know, the cancel culture used to be able
to get these people to cave instantly. They just give
them more grief. And she's not backing down. American Eagles
not and the American Eagles seems to be doing well
financially as well, so they're.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Doing their stock up twenty eight percent today.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
One of our callers said it everything kind of ebbs
and flows are oscillates right now. We're on the upswing,
so we have to take advantage of it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
There is a new term out there you should learn, greg.
It's being promoted by the Economists and that's a very
liberal newspaper out of Britain, right, but they call the
term green hushing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Green hushing? More and more companies are not talking about
climate change. There's what not?

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
The green hushing? Aren't the two words I think of,
I think of common sense?

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
The two words yeah, yeah, Well, the story goes this
with Steve Moore and his Committee to Unleashed Prosperity. Today
writes with the climate change agenda rapidly losing public support
thanks to the astronomic cost of going green, businesses and
governments are reversing their absurd green, anti fossil fuel commitments,

(01:26:58):
and the Economist has promoted a new term called green hushing,
where companies stay quiet on pursuing their emission reduction goals.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Green hushing any Cadillac to wake up. I need them to.
I keep hearing they're gonna get rid of all their
sedans for all these these like yeah, those those hot
whatever it is did hybrids. They're no, they're not even that.
What's that thing? What's the thing between an suv? It's
they call it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
They have a name san.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
No, it's not a sedan, it's something else. It's a
small it's all vehicle sports sports, they call it something
sports utility vehicle, SUV. Yeah, it's a convert it's I
can't remember that what it's called, but anyway, that's what
they're moving to. All all their e vehicles are these
they look like these many SUVs. They don't have a sedan.
They're not gonna they're gonna stop making sedans. I hope
this green Hushing goes to Cadillac and they wake up

(01:27:48):
and keep making a sedan.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Did you see the story? What was it? Last week?
Ford lost fifteen million dollars on evs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Just million million. They should lose a billion him. So cheap?
How do you get away from it? It's so cheap.
I look back BMW, Mercedes outing nobody's given up their
their their sedans. I don't know why Lincoln, Cadillac, American Ford,
They're all given. It's ridiculous, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
The cleanest city you've ever been in, and you've traveled
a lot. Yeah, and the world or in the country either,
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:28:29):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
I can't even venture. I can tell you the dirtiest
one without even batting an eye, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I can't think of countrywide Switzerland, which we visited this tune. Well,
that's going very very clean country. Well, the the new
list out of the cleanest and dirtiest cities in America.
The cleanest South Bend, Indiana. Okay, repeat, Yeah, Well I've
been to I wouldn't think him Wilmington, North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
I haven't been there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
In des Moines, Iowa.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
I've driven through des Moines on routey on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
The dirtiest San Bernardino, California. Really yeah, La surprised see
and Detroit and O this one. I don't get this
one reading Pennsylvania, ready, ready reading bad. I didn't know
that either. Huh. All right, that does it for us. Tonight,
head off, shoulders back, May God bless you and your
family and this great country of ours. Gregg and I

(01:29:20):
will be back tomorrow. At four we'll talk to you
then