The Rod and Greg Show: If you Mock God, Repent; Stop Erasing American Heritage; The Next Californians

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boy, it's a it's another power Pack day. We had
a lot to go over. You were you were looking
at one fuming Cowboy fan. I know, I know. You
know what though, I'm watching the Netflix. Yeah, we're watching
this thing on the Calvin and I'll tell you what.
The one thing I'm learning early on I've watched about
three episodes is that if you bet against Jerry Jones,
you might be on the losing side. This guy seems

(00:21):
to be pretty lucky with what he does.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Traded away one of the best defensive players in the league.
If you're just joining us Nowaday, it just broke a
short time ago that Michael. Yeah, this isn't a sports show.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
But Dallas Cowboy fans.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
But I mean it'll be one for long the way
this goes. But the Cowboys, you know, Jerry and Michaeh
Parsons have been in a contract dispute. They knew they
had to figure this out. They never got around to
doing it. You know, it just got more tense between
the two of them. Finally, Cowboys announced today they're trading
Micah to the Greenbackers for a for a couple of Yeah,

(00:57):
for a couple of not a division rival, but conference
rival for a couple of first round picks.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I will say I'm on Jerry Jones's side on this,
and I don't know if He's going to if his
philosophy is going to carry, but it is the logical one.
Given guaranteed money to players, and this game, as violent
as the NFL, is the dumbest thing you could ever do. Guaranteed.
You give a little incentive on the guaranteed. But these
guys that are walking in wanting all their money guaranteed,
it takes away their will to play. There's no pay,

(01:25):
there's no pay for performance. And I think guaranteed money
for in the NFL, of all sports. I mean, you
can get away with it, maybe an NBA back in
in baseball, but in.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Football for your star players, why not give them the
guaranteed money.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's too high, It's too much for me. I do
I think, Jerry. And I'm not a Dallas Cowboy fan
per se.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You just anything bad that happens to the Cowboys you celebrate.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I might, I might, I might be there. But look
the Browns, which are like the worst franchise ever. They
gave the Shan Watson all that guaranteed money. He never
cared to come back allarantee that's true. So I I
just think it's I think I think Jerry's seeing it right.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
All right, Well, we've had our sports moment on the
show today. Now let's get to the real news of
the day. We've got a lot to get to. More
and more information is coming out about what happened in
Minneapolis yesterday. We'll dig into that. We'll talk about prayer. Apparently,
if you're shot and killed, what you're praying. Apparently prayers
do not work. That's what the Democrats are saying. So

(02:25):
God apparently doesn't answer your prayers because you got killed.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
The commentary from the regime media, these leftists, these elitists,
about the role of prayer in our lives in a tragedy,
in the aftermath of in the morning collective morning of
Their commentary is the commentary of someone who has no understanding, belief,
or even a disbelief in the power of prayer. And

(02:49):
if there isn't a message that could more demonize or
discredit and a group for me, it is to is
to now turn today and attack prayer. This is somehow
a problem, that this is somehow offensive. Don't you give
us our you're pregnant.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
They have so much today. Yeah, sixty nine. I looked
it up. Sixty nine percent of Americans identify as having
a religion in their lives. Okay, sixty nine. What would
these what would these people want from people that are
seeing this tragedy of people harmed and killed? What would
they do?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Call?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
What should we as a nation do collectively? Otherwise and
turn to the Lord in a time like this and
in our morning do what? They can wear their little ribbons,
you know, to their awards ceremony, and we can't thoughtfully pray,
pray and all for these families and for strength, and
they have no comprehension of the power of prayer, and
then they demonize those who do, which I would argue

(03:44):
is a majority of this country every day American.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, we'll get into that. Well, we'll talk about that.
We've got more to say about cracker Barrel. Interesting comment
today on that. We'll talk about the next Californians. We
don't need it anymore, do we, but apparently two or
three are in the works. We'll get into that bit
later on. We'll talk about mail in voting. So we've
got a lot to get to today on a very
busy Thursday afternoon. Abby, you will keep you up to

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date on the news. We've got your traffic and weather.
And if you want to be a part of this,
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you can see a place where you can leave us coming.
So we've got a lot to get to today. I
am not shocked at this at all, Greg, But the
story coming out today was this Minneapolis shooter said he
was tired of being trans and that he was tired
of brainwashing himself into thinking he was trined to the
point he even wanted to cut his hair, but he

(04:50):
was afraid to do that. Nobody is talking about that
at all today, Greg, nobody.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
They are not. As reported in the New York Post.
His manifesto written in some script and language that we
can't read, but it's being translated. And in that script,
the New York Post is reporting that. And this is
a quote from that manifesto. I only keep the long
hair because it's pretty much my last shred of being trans.
I am tired of being trans. I wish I never

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brainwashed myself.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I can't cut my hair now, as it would be
an embarrassing defeat and it might be a concerning change
of my character that could get me reported. It just
always gets in my way. I will probably chop it
off the day of the attack. This look. We talked
about this yesterday, and we broached a topic that maybe
someone thought it might be too early or inappropriate to do.

(05:38):
But I got to tell you, whatever, this when he's
a minor and he's seventeen years old and his parents
allow him to go through the medication and whatever it
is to transition himself from one gender to the other,
he has suffered mightily for I'm not even making him
a victim. I'm saying this is a deranged, mentally ill individual.
And it began when someone took this idea that he

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should change his gender and let him go there, and
he himself and himself has nothing but regret for having
done it. He doesn't want the politics of it to
make it look like politically it's a defeat, see's because
it's so polarized now. But this is a this is
a person, and it begs the question, how many more
and how many have we had of people that are

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that aren't in their right mind because of what they've
been through because we have allowed this trans Some have
even promoted this the chemical castration or physical castration of
young miners and all the hormones have to take. How
much violence has come, how much violence is coming because
this has happened. I think it's an absolutely legitimate topic
to discuss well.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
And there's a Utah connection to this trans violence. We'll
get to that in just a second. But why don't
you you'll let you listen to how this went down
yesterday and how police were reporting to this and responding.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
To US five zero nine West fifty fourth Street, Minneapolis,
true something the apoint victors.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
A troopers responding.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
We've seen a lot more.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Medical work on victims that where the MS is coming
in and anybody not on scene do not respond to
the scene. We should try and stay some resources on
thirty five W northbound so that we can get some
of these ambulances free flowing towards HCMC.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
All units you were heading in Minneapolis mutually on a
shooting by troopers arriving.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
We just need medical to bring all.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
The guys that you have.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
And we've got at least four criticals in the inside
of the rest outside of the church a couple.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Of days, but at least twenty other patients.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
We have two.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Gunshot wounds, two patients with gunshot winds their heads in front.
There's also a critical patient in the rear of the.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Church supporting one ten year old male red.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
Trauma gunshot wounds to the head, putting ample of Schilder
if he is third by la table.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Possibly was just grazed well with the gunshot WoT to
the head, had the right punch shot on the accounting
right now.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
What a frightening comment one of the officers made, and
that that montage of the police response into this yesterday.
Bring all the gauze you can. It must have been
a horrible scene to walk into that church and we
didn't realize this Greg And it was mentioned today that
he had what used a two by four, yeah, block
the doors from being opened so nobody could get out.
And they're now saying I think I saw this. They

(08:16):
have now counted one hundred and sixteen rounds were fired
him four minutes.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, so what he did is he actually took it.
They say two by fours, but it looks like so
when I was watching this yesterday, he's laid out on
his bed and this is where I don't know where
the mother's at, because she lived if they live in
the same home. This is a This is an army
arsenal he's got inside this room. But amongst all the
guns and the AMMO and the smoke bombs, there's this
long piece of what it looks like a two by six,

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more than a two by four, but it had all
this writing on it, so all the time to write
on he wrote on the magazines, he wrote on the gun,
all these different things, these political messages. But he took
that would now I know what that was for. I
was wondering, what is that He threw that across the
doors so they couldn't open them up, so he could
trap them inside there, so as firing, they have nowhere
to go again. So premeditated, thought through and horrifically demonic.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know what, there is one thing that was really
impressive about all of this. Greg These kids had been
trained in their school how to respond. So when they
were in their church, they responded the way they've been taught.
They remain quiet, They hid under the pews as much
as they possibly could, so they use that training to
try and protect themselves as much as they could. That's
quite a story as well. All Right, We've got a

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lot to get to today. Much more on this, the
debate over the power of prayer. Yes, we are having
that debate in this country today, and we'll talk about
it next on the Roden greg Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs. Apparently, if these poor
kids who lost their lives in Minneapolis and those who

(09:50):
were injured, including the adults, if we keep them in
our thoughts of prayers, Greg, apparently they mean nothing. I mean,
that doesn't mean anything to anybody.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's I mean, it's if this wasn't an evil enough act.
The ensuing commentary, to me, is pretty evil to condemn
people who do want to pray and mourn for these
poor children who've been harmed and even killed.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, if your response to tragedy like the one that
happened yesterday is to mock God, what does that say
about you? Well, joining us on our newsmaker line to
talk about that is el Pernell. She's elections editor at
the Federal iss She wrote about this today, Elle, thanks
very much for joining us.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Elle.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Just a couple of weeks ago, or maybe last week,
this very left leaning organization came out with this list
of words that Democrats shouldn't use anymore. Could prayer be
one of those new words?

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Well, I mean if they added prayer to that list,
they would have to stop criticizing prayer, and I'm not
sure they have it.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And then to do that, you know, I've been watching
the chatter online on X and everything else, and I
am just I think we're down to a ninety nine
percent to one issue in terms of the mockery of
what I think is sixty nine percent of Americans say
they're religious or affiliate with a religion. Do they expect
do these leftists expect people to be all policy makers

(11:09):
and you're not allowed to pray because you should be
running legislation or you should be advocating something. What's wrong
with the collective mourning that people of faith are feeling
today for those that were injured and killed yesterday. Why
do they find such a fence in such a reaction
from people of faith.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
Well, there's absolutely nothing wrong with people offering up prayers,
you know. I saw someone point out that prayer is
something that people who were not able to stop a
tragedy who will offer up, you know, as just this
grief mechanism. It's because it's all they can do, and
it's actually the most important thing that they can do.

(11:48):
So it was especially striking to see the people who
perhaps could have done something like local leadership in Minneapolis
having such a visceral reaction to people's prayers. You do
have to wonder, like, well, what is it about prayer
the defends them so much? But you had this bizarre
reaction among people on the left. You had Jen Saki

(12:12):
and the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, to name a few,
and they were they weren't just saying that, you know,
we need action to combine with per I actually agree,
you know, we also we do need action. I just
happen to think that we should be taking action against
the people who encourage gender dysphoria like the shooter appeared

(12:32):
to have, rather than taking action against our Second Amendment freedom.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
But but you had people going further than that, and
they were straight up mocking prayer, even mocking the prayers
that were offered Wednesday morning by the very children who
were shot. And that's a dangerous business. God would not
be mocked.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, yeah, my blood, by the way, is still boiling
over gens Saki's comments. I can't get over she says
something like that. But you're right about the primary purpose
of prayer. Would you share your thoughts on as to
what you were talking about and what you think the
primary person of purpose of prayer actually is.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
Yeah, So everybody wrestles when they see a tragedy. They
wrestle with wondering how loving God could let it happen.
But that's not what we've seen here from all of
these reactions like Jensaki and Jacob Fray, you have to
have a very selfish misconception of prayer to say, you know,
forget prayer since I didn't have my desires, might it

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must not work. And the people saying that right now
are actually doing the same thing that the goffers who
stood around and watching Jesus be crucified did. They're seeing
an unanswered prayer and they're reacting by mocking what they
perceive at the lack of God's power. But prayer doesn't
exist primarily to meet our desires. That's something that God

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often chooses to do to, you know, to help grow
our faith in Him and our trust in Him. But
that isn't the primary berst of prayer. Primary purpose is
to sanctify us. It's to encourage our reliance and our
trust in God, to deepen our relationship with Him. And
that's something that the people mocking prayer on the internet
this week clearly don't understand.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
I hope that they do.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
I hope they come to understand it.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I look at this yesterday because I think he's
a demonic person and sick person. Had a manifesto, had
about three different YouTube videos ten minutes in length or longer.
Had a very long note a few notebooks that he
would page through slowly. People are translating some of that
that he wrote in a different language or something. This person,

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you can't just put them into a category of he's
anti Trump or he's anti This is a very evil person.
It's the only way I can describe it. And then
when you see so, you don't all You seldom ever
get to see inside the mind of one of these
insane or demonic people in terms of what motivated them
to do what they're doing. Then, so you feel this
like darkness about this, this true evil that happened, and

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then you watch the commentary that seems to follow suit
mocking God, mocking prayer. Are we confronting evil in a
way that we just haven't before? Or am I just
noticing it more?

Speaker 6 (15:15):
I mean, we are certainly confronting evil. Evil's nothing new.
I mean, you're absolutely right about the shooter appearing to
just have incredibly demonic influence. Like I didn't even read
closely some of the stuff in the in the manifestos
because I don't I don't want to. It is evil.
You have to take that seriously. But absolutely, I mean,

(15:38):
I mean, he clearly had demonic influence. He was attacking Christians.
You have, I think the New York Times saying, you know,
the motive is a real mystery. It's not a mystery.
He hated Christians, he hated God. He was evil, and
so it really is reprehensible to see people who respond

(15:58):
to that kind of evil and that kind of darkness
by mocking prayer instead of you know, falling to their
knees and praying harder.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
The mayor of Minneapolis also said something yesterday that thoughts
and prayers are simply not enough, almost mocking us. I
think most people who do pray understand that we need prayer,
but we also need to take action. God's not going
to do it for us. We're going to have to
solve this problem on our own. What did you make
of his comment?

Speaker 6 (16:23):
Oh, I mean, his comment was awful. I do agree
with him that we should act that you know, you
can't just sit and watch. Prayer is the most important
thing you can do. But I think he's very wrong.
The actions that he recommends are very wrong. I don't
think the way to respond is to take away people's

(16:44):
right to defend himselves against crazy people who want to
kill them. But I do think we need action. We
need to start having accountability for the people who encourage
confused young people and confused kids to buy into their confusion,
to reject the stecks that they uh, you know, their
their physical biological sex, and to buy into these delusions.

(17:08):
All that the delusions of transgenderism will bring you is
is more unhappiness and the best, the best action that
we can do to prevent this kind of thing from
happening again. It is to protect those kids, uh and
those young people from that influx.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, thank you very much, El Pernell. She is with
the Federal List talking about the power of prayer, and
both Greg and I have a lot more to say
about this, and hopefully you will as well. We'll talk
about it coming up in the five o'clock hour right
here on the Rotten Greg Show and Talk Radio one
oh five nine k n R S. We are a
we are a huge Cowboy fan, Cowboy family, and even

(17:47):
my son it's now calling that he is done cheering
for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Have you not watched that? I know sports programs, yes,
But I'm going to tell you the way that the
foundational premise of this Netflix UH documentary about the Cowboys
is that when when Jerry Jones bought the team, everyone
said everything you're saying right now, I'm never watching him again.
They're not America's team from he's from Arkansas, He's at Hillbilly.

(18:12):
This is the worst thing he ever did. When they
traded herschel Walker, it's all over. Nothing's ever going to
get better again. But against that guy, it looks like
he's got it. He looks like he's got a hot hand. No,
I'm telling you is a Steelers fan. Is a Steelers fan.
It's hard for me to say that, but I'm just
going to tell you. You watch that show, and you're
just saying everything I saw in the first three episodes

(18:33):
of that show. Everybody was everybody was so upset, and
then they all got on board.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
We'll see, we'll see, all right. Speaking of anger, there's
a little bit of anger directed toward Cracker Barrel this week.
He little bit in the debate over the logo. Well,
let's talk more about it. Joining us on our newsmaker line,
John Wood Junior. John is a columnist at USA Today. John,
thanks for joining us. I mean, what is it, John?
What do you make of what happened to Cracker Barrel

(18:58):
this week?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, well, you know, it's been a really uh been
a really fascinating uh uh story to to watch. I mean,
Cracker Barrel is it's an iconic American uh restaurant chain, right,
I mean it's something that you know, you're familiar with
more in some parts of the country than the other.
But you're used to traveling the highways and the interstates

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across the South Midwest a lot of you know, in
sort of more rural parts of the of the of
the country, you're used to see a little crack of
barrel and it is this old place that conveys a
ceiling and environment of sort of the sort of the
early twentieth century South. I guess it. I guess it's

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sad to say. And that's captured on the inside of
the store. It's got this old school feeld, sort of
a jold general store, something that you know, I grew
up in Los Angeles, like our early familiarity that kind
of thing is through the movies, right, but that's part
of the nostalgia that's evoked. And then the logo, of course,
historically show was a fellow who I guess. I guess

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it's after a man named name named Herschel, who's got
a history of the In the founding of Cracker Barrel,
he's on a walking rocking chair and he's leaning against
the cracker barrel, which they used to use almost like
an old school water cooler. People would be crackers out
of a barrel and socialized in the center of town.
The emblem was drawn almost as if it was written

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in a font that was written by like a paint
brush or what have you. And overnight, the consultants that
were paid tens of millions of dollars to guide Cracker
Barrel through this whole corporate renovation of their branded image
and muggood. I guess modernized Cracker Barrel for a new
audience wouldn't reduced the logo to some minimalist thing that

(20:46):
is just like like you just pulled something right off
of Canva. They got rid of the barrel, they got
rid of they got rid of the crackers Man exactly.
They put the old man. He's up there at heaven
with Uncle Barren and Jemima and hand the lake's indigenous lady.

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And suddenly they gave us this generous sized, sanitized corporate
logo which means absolutely nothing to anybody, and surprise of surprise,
wonder of wonders, an overwhelming number of Cracker Barrels loyal
customers were outraged and started boycotting the corporation. Their stock

(21:27):
prices tanked and then but they didn't they didn't resist
the change too long. I mean, they put out a
corporate letter sort of tried the gentle parent people into
accepting the logo. That didn't work, and so just within
the last day or two they said, you know what,
we hear you. We've listened. We realized we've raed wasted
seven hundred million dollars on this planned renovation. They didn't

(21:49):
say that, but they did say, we're going back to
the old logo. So I guess they learned a lesson.
But I guess the question is what is the lesson
that we all learned? So well, that's the story in
a nutshell.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
John, I was going to ask you, because what is
this lesson? I love the idea that we're trying to
hang on to some of our culture, some of our traditions.
I mean, you look at Pizza Hut. It doesn't look
like that anymore. You don't have a little hot up
there you look at So I mean even Taco Bell
used to have a theme to it in terms of
its buildings. It's all squared out and generic. Now. So
you saw this, you saw this trend happening. I think
the cracker barrel was a bridge too far. But is

(22:25):
that just a blip in an otherwise a movement towards
homogeneous You can't tell one from the other. It's all
going to look the same because it's cheaper to build
and cheaper cheaper to design, or as are Americans going
to demand from their retailers that they keep the culture
that we're we grew up with and that we quite like.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I do think it gets
to a bigger thing in sort of the hollow miss
and to some degree that the soul's miss and sort
of the corporate modernism that we are that we are
living in. I mean, I was somebody who I was
raised by, raised in the household where we really we
love baseball. We love the history of baseball and the

(23:05):
old you know, the old ball players and the old park.
So I listening to the stories, you know, Fenway Park
and Candlestate Park in San Francisco because I'm in La
So Dodger Stadium and so forth. And then eventually you
start to see Enron Field and the Staples Center where
it was at the Lakers playing, and and you know,
ballparks named after cell phone companies and office companies and

(23:28):
so forth, and so it's like everything is up to
be branded, everything is for sale, and nothing or at
least increasingly literal middle is culturally authentic in these days.
So in that context, Cracker Barrel stands out is a
big exception. And I think that, interestingly enough, the mood
of at least much of the country today is heading

(23:50):
the direction of wanting to value our roots, heading in
the direction of wanting to value our traditions.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
And you know, I think that that is a natural
human need. And it doesn't matter whether you're black or whitter,
Democrat or Republican, necessary or a Southerner or somebody from
from the inner city. We are more than just consumers
of soulless, abstract corporate products. We are more than that
as human beings. We want to be able to identify

(24:19):
with symbols and culture and traditions and things that mean
something to our sense of ourselves and our communities.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
And I think that, you know, the interesting thing about
this moment in time is that, as ugly as so
much of our politics algy, I don't I don't like
a lot of the culture war stuff. But at the
same time, I do believe that Americans should value culture, right,
We should value our culture and it and its depth
and its diversity and so forth. And in the case

(24:45):
of cracker Barrel, you know, it evokes a certain a
certain sort of sort of ancestral organic Southern spirit. That
is beautiful and it's a part of the American story
and you don't even have to be from the South
to appreciate it exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, John, whyatt John? Why is it that some corporations
just can't seem to read the room?

Speaker 7 (25:07):
You know?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, let's go, let's go all the way back to Coke.
No one who's ever asking for a new coke, but
Coke put it upon us and it failed miserably. There
are some companies in this in this country of ours,
great companies, but they can't read the room. What's up
with that?

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Man?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, that is a really interesting question if it's
a fascinating sort of social psychological question. Now, you know,
I'm mostly just speculating because I'm not I'm not really
in these these board rooms so much.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
But here's here's here's.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
What I think. I mean, these corporations have a lot
of money, right, and you know the look I'm I'm
all for, you know, corporations being successful and turned the
profit and so forth. Great in jobs. Man.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
That that that.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's that's great. That's part of America too. But there
is I think a phenomenon where when you get into
a corporate structure, you go high enough the dollars to
just get big enough to where you kind of become
detached from what other people are thinking, what other people
are feeling. You're looking at the quarter, the quarter sort

(26:12):
of sort of reports and so forth on prothamag and everything,
and you kind of just got to give yourself something
to do, right and so especially especially you know, sometimes
you give yourself something to do, I mean, fixing something
that ain't broke to begin with. But and if you
add on top of that the fact that and I'm
sure this is and luck I mean take what I

(26:34):
say the grandest called again I'm kind of speculating, but
particularly with the company, like like Cracker Barrel, though I'm
sure it applies elsewhere, but it's like you got something
that emerged as a regional brand years ago, but you're
fast forward. The customer base still loves that, but cuddenly
you've imported people from from the coasts and from colleges
and universities that don't really have necessarily have felt relationship

(26:57):
to that history and that tradition, that culture. Maybe part
of what happens is that whether consciously or unconsciously, if
You've just got people in these corporations who themselves don't
really have a deep relationship to the thing that they're selling,
and they want to update it to just kind of
reflect the kind of clean, polished and sterile sorts of
you know, I don't mean this sound rude, but you know,

(27:18):
the sort of you know, less parochial, let us say,
environments and you know, sort of spaces that they are
used to, that they are familiar with, and so wittingly
or unwittingly, they find themselves kind of foisting that on
the brand and spending millions of dollars to sort of,

(27:39):
you know, tell themselves a story that justifies such a
needs in commercial terms.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
On our newsmaker line. John Wood, Junior or columnist at
USA Today. More coming up on The Rod and Greg
Show and tomorrow and again on Monday at Labor Day.
But tomorrow some great Fox News specials coming your way.
I want to mention to you Will Kine Country one
hour special at four o'clock. I kept five o'clock and
I really like this guy, Greg, how America works with
Mike Rowe. Yes, I'm a big fan of And in

(28:08):
the six pm hour, interesting story the Colorado cold case,
the murder of Jean Bedat Ramsey. H.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
That's yeah, that's one where it is bizarre. I I
don't know. I don't know up from down on that case.
I mean every time you think it's anyway, I just
don't understand it. It's been a long time too.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah. So three specials coming your way from the Fox
News Channel. That's coming up tomorrow when Greg as Greg
and I take a day off and enjoy you're heading south. Yes,
I am that mansion down.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
There when the People's Republic of California and you go
tell Gavin what I think of him? Yeah, but can.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
You swim in the water.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
No, I'm not taking a chance. There's no way I
think that Biden let the sewage run through that ocean
for about four straight years. I'm not going in there.
I just look at it, listen to it.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, very relaxing.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Ocean coming in.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
By the way, Jimmy Fairy funny guy because he's a comedian,
he says, I want to live in a world where
democrats get matter at the people shooting, then the people
praying more.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'll talk more about that, Yes, coming up on the
five o'clock however, will we invite you to stay with
us as you work your way home on this Thursday
in Utah Stock Radio one to oh five nine Canna.
You know, let's focus on Jesse Waters. I'll let you
hear a portion of this in the minute, Greg. But
Jesse Water on Fox News last night. It was about

(29:32):
five and a half minutes long. We aren't going to
play the whole thing, but he really dropped the truth
bomb on trans violence, and he just showed that trends
that he's seen and others are seeing develop when it
comes to trans violence. Greg. Yet, the media is horrible
at recognizing these treads and they can't put two and
two together. But it is actually happening in this country.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
We're all thinking about, of course, what happened in Minneapolis yesterday,
but we've seen it here in the state of Utah,
and no one's been able to make that connection yet.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, no one's talking about this, But this is this.
This violence happened here in the state Utah last year.
Last June, in twenty twenty four, an individual walked into
the home of his parents and he shot and killed them.
And then he has a brother that lived in that
home and he tried to kill him as well, was
on the lamb running away, you know, the county, the

(30:22):
county sheriff, the police were looking for him. They were
able to apprehend him. This individual from Washington County outside
of Saint George is a transgender person and he legally
changed his name to a woman and gender in twenty
twenty three. Was under meds under whatever it is that
medically they do to change that. This person clearly going

(30:43):
through this was a troubled was troubled to be able,
you know, going through this, killing their parents, his parents
in cold blood, trying to kill his brother, and then
after he was apprehended, there's a second case. He went
after the officers in the jail, Yeah, punching one in
the face, kicking another in the knee, which also led
to more charges third degree felony counts for assault. He

(31:06):
asked this defendant asked for the death penalty to be considered,
and so his defense attorney said in reaction to that, well,
we need a psychiatric evaluation, because who's asking for anyone
to put them to death? But that happened last summer.
That case is pending going through. But if this person

(31:26):
is going through all having all that medication, doing all
of those things, and then kills his parents in cold blood,
tries to kill his brother. You know, I'm not saying
that the issue yesterday and what happened in Utah there
are the only cases and therefore it's always the case.
I'm saying that, are these the two silver bullets we
are aware of where these people are transitioning with medication

(31:47):
or even chemically castrated or by surgeries, going through all
of this at a young age, and you're seeing this
kind of violence going on. Are they the only two
that ever happened this way? Did we see the two
silver bullets fly by? Or is this an emerging issue?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
This is an emerging issue. If you'll listen to Justin
Waters now. Like I said, it's about five and a
half minutes long. I'm not going to play the whole thing,
but I wanted to lift about a minute of it
because he talks about the trends that the media is
not picking up on. And he pointed out, you've got Minneapolis,
You've got what happened in Nashville, other cases, firebombings, you
name it. They've been taking place, all involving trends. And

(32:24):
he says you know, America, wake up and start looking
at the trends that we're seeing out there.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
Just a few years ago, the psychiatric community classified transgenderism
as a mental illness. Then doctors went woke and removed
it as a condition, And now millions of young Americans
are identifying themselves as trans and.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Getting high fives.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
When someone has.

Speaker 9 (32:45):
An illness, we should treat it instead of affirm it.
We don't celebrate schizophrenia. We don't encourage depression. Teenagers are confused.
Sometimes these things are just a phase. And if they're
not all right, then a grown man can wear a
dress if he wants to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
In America, he has that right.

Speaker 9 (33:06):
We're a pretty darn tolerant society. But the lefts weaponizing
trans kids and turning them into culture warriors, and they've
been turned loose against the church, schools and Trump.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
You see it, I see it.

Speaker 9 (33:20):
The trans clan has a militant wing and it's out
for blood.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, and that's what I agree with what Jesse said
last night. Now, part of the show last night, also
Greg featured a woman. Her name is Jamie Reid. She
is a pediatric gender center whistleblower and she tore apart
the affirmative action following the Minneapolis shooting there Wednesday that
left two people did. This is what she had to

(33:45):
say about what she saw at these gender centers in Minneapolis.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (33:49):
So I actually participated in medicalizing young people for almost
five years, and what I saw was that we were
harming these kids. They were not getting better, often their
mental health was getting worse. We were tearing apart families.
And we also have to recognize that gender ideology tears

(34:10):
apart other facets of our social of our society. It
tears at sports and families and safety for women and
safety for families and kids. And so the ideology as
a whole, to me just became something that I felt
like I was participating in harming the exact same patients
that my job was supposed to be to protect, to

(34:32):
make them better.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It wasn't protecting. It's not making them better, it's making
them worse. Greg and when are people going to worry?
I mean, Britain has realized this, The UK, I mean
great Britain has said we're done with this stuff. Yeah,
we're not doing any of this gender affirming care anymore.
It's not working, it's not what should be done, and
they're going to focus on the mental health issues. What

(34:54):
is it going to take greg in this country for
people to wake up or is the money so big
that they don't want to see it?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Look, I think that I'm trying to find it and
I can't. There's there are some scary online posts from
people that are saying that if Republicans and Trump want
to question the trans movement or it's legitimacy, then their
children deserve to die. There is a violent thread out
there that that is justifying what this individual did yesterday,

(35:24):
or even any violence towards those who are not embracing, supporting,
and promoting the changing of someone's gender, particularly when they're miners.
And if you don't agree with that, then you become
an enemy. And there's some pretty violent messages out there
on social media what they want to do to you
if you don't conform or agree with them. I think
that the underlying plan is what all these leftist elitist

(35:47):
you know, social engineer and the regime media these people want,
and that is to tear down all of our institutions,
all of our foundational institutions. Everything is about breaking it down.
And if you can make it so that we don't
even know your gender. If you're just you don't have
a You're not a boy, you're not a girl, You're
an it. You're gonna make a bunch of eunuchs that
you can just go and compel their behavior and push

(36:10):
them around and tell it is all about I believe
the destruction of our society. And what more effective way
to destroy the society than our families and our abilities
to marry and have kids and do all these things.
This is a direct assault on all of that. And
I'm going to tell you that again. I hope it's
not true, but I worry that when you give a

(36:30):
minor all of these hormones and these treatments to try
and change them to a different gender, what you are
doing they say they're doing it under the banner of
preventing suicide. Are you kidding me? I think we're going
to see an emerging population of some pretty angry and
demented people from what they've done. And I do think
there's money involved. I think I think there's careers that

(36:53):
have been placed in this. You know, parents have bought
into this, will never concede they did any harm to
their child. They can't live with themselves if they think so.
They're gonna double triple down on this because they don't
want to believe they just destroyed their own child's life
because they bought into it. But that's what that that
mass murderer said, is I regret that I did this?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah? Well, what the evil that is taking place in
this world? Greg? I think has three prongs to it. Okay,
let's go back. First of all, and I'm talking about
the Soviet Union. They were going to beat us militarily,
couldn't couldn't keep up with this, They couldn't match us.
Then they tried to beat us economically. We know that.
So what do they try now? Attack the family and
attack the individuals. And that's what it's taking place in

(37:34):
this country right now. And that's where we need to
stand up and say no, we're not going to tolerate this.
And like that that gender center lady just had. You
heard her comment. You know, we aren't helping these kids,
We aren't doing anything to help them, We're hurting them.
And look what happened to the shooter in Minneapolis. He goes,

(37:55):
I can't stand it anymore. I've brainwashed myself into believing
this stuff, and I'm confused, and I don't anymore.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Isn't he had long hair like a girl, but he
wanted to cut it. But I cut my hair. They'll
see a change of behavior, draw attention to me while
before I do my big attack, my big mass murder.
So I can't even get rid of this hair. I
don't want anymore.

Speaker 7 (38:13):
I I do.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I think that that here's here is the easiest answer
that when the left and they don't accept this, you
know something's wrong. Can we let kids be kids?

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Please, that's it. If you're a if you're an adult,
go do you whatever you think that is. Let that happen.
But they have, they have, they've zeroed in on our
kids and just saying, can we just not have these
adult conversations and change a child's gender when they're a child.
Can they just live these lie these years as children? Well,

(38:44):
they're going to commit suicide. I don't know what you
think by doing this to these kids make them more
mentally healthy, but at least it's a it's a coin flip.
I think let the kids be kids, let them have
their innocence, and if they're losing their any innocence because
of the world we live in. Protect the innocence. Don't
go and and sexualize these kids and make them something
that they're not. Just let the kids be kids, because

(39:06):
it's not that long of a time. The timeframe we're
talking about is not that long in the grand scheme.
But when they say no, when they're too impatient and
they need to get there, it's they need to go
upstream and destroy generations of kids. They did it in school.
Our kids are still not recovering from the interuptions of
COVID that has been so I mean, that has just
put this society at such a disadvantage. But they're just

(39:28):
trying to sexualize.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
These kids, and technology is changing these kids. Mom and dad. Now,
I tell you what, I'm glad I don't have young children,
but I do see grandchildren. And it is a challenge
for parents out there. I mean, I mean, but I
wish parents would realize maybe on some of these issues,
we all as kids. You went through different phases. Yes,
I went through different phases. Let them live those out. Yeah,

(39:52):
let them live those out and try not to. I mean,
this mom went with her son so he could change
his name and yeah, and embraced it and his father
embraced it. What is the kid? What the kids say?
Before he killed two kids and himself yesterday, I brainwashed
myself on this. I gotta get out of this.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
And the second part seventeen when he did it, which
means he had parents that shouldn't have allowed him to
brainwash himself. As an adult, he takes responsibility for it.
His parents when he was a minor allowed him to
make choices that he regrets, but as a child, he
should have never made it, should have never even been
on the table.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Next sitement, we'll talk about prayer in the attack on
people like you and me who pray every day. That's
coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio. One oh five nine ok NRS shooting in
Minneapolis yesterday that left two people dead, two children ages
eight and ten, as I recall, dead, many others injured.

(40:50):
Appears all of them are going to live. There is
one who is still in critical condition. They're watching it
very very closely. You know, Greg, and this whole discussion
you had, what is that the mayor of Minni Apple
list yesterday saying, you know that that thought and prayers thing,
it doesn't it you know, it's just to throw away,
you know.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
But by the way, can I say something about that, Mary, Yes,
I saw pictures because of that, because what he said
where he is kneeling at the George Floyd. Uh, he's
putting a lot of thing. He's putting a lot of prayer,
a lot of a lot of prayer and a lot
of you know, thoughts towards the George Floyd. And that
he kneels at the at the coffin and he's praying. Yeah,

(41:28):
so I guess I don't know. I again, I think
I think that it's so out of bounds and it's
also situational.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah it is. And then you've got Jen Psaki
yesterday who are attacking prayers.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
The funny thing is there are a couple of points
that I want to share, Greg, and then I want
to get some phone calls on this and your thoughts
on this as well. It's funny that the left right now,
in my opinion, is really bending over backwards not to
implicate transgenderism and the chemicals related to what when I
and yes, they're bending over backwards trying to protect but

(42:03):
they feel very comfortable and condemning people who pray yes,
I mean that's something it is, and we all know
prayers are for people like myself and you. I mean,
my wife and I pray together every morning. We have
our personal prayers as well.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I aspire that, but I can't. I'll just come clean morning. Well,
now I feel guilty. Didn't make it way to go,
way to totally outpace me, like by a lot. But
you know there are people who find but you've prayed
in your life before. I pray, I pray regularly. I do,
I do, I pray regularly, but I don't pray like
that often. But yeah, the power of prayer, there is

(42:41):
a power to it. And and anyone who would criticize
it has they don't even they are just trying. They're
they're they're disparaging anyone who knows or believes that there
is power in prayer. Who are they to question that?
Who are they to condemn it?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah? Yeah, you know, like you, I mean, we're dealing
with evil. I mean this kid was evil? What is
he twenty three years old? I still think he's a kid.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, he is.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
He's evil, Greg, And I think evil it exists everywhere,
it does, and for people to wave away thoughts and prayers.
There is power and prayer, as both of you and
I have said, and they're belittling people who are acting
in faith because they're evil. They want to attack people

(43:28):
who act in faith and say a prayer.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
And let me make this distinction. Okay, there is a
time where when people say thoughts and prayers and they
don't like how it is being expressed, but they if
I've ever heard that criticism, it was in the context
of it's trite. You're just throwing it out there. It's
almost like a how are you thoughts and prayers? Thoughts
and prayer there there's no weight behind it. What the
regime media is criticizing is the prayer. They're not saying

(43:53):
you're saying it too loosely or you don't mean it.
They're saying, why are you doing it? Why do you
think that matters? They were praying at church? Why would
you even do the same thing now? They are actually
attacking the power of prayer and those that pray. They're
not saying that you're using it too loosely, and we
should be praying harder, and we should be really mean
it and be genuine and authentic. And when we pray,
they're not saying that, They're saying, why on earth would

(44:17):
you ever say that? Why would you do that? They're
criticizing those who would pray or turn to the Lord
in times like this, or a nation that is mourning
for these poor little children, and what would you do otherwise?
We don't live there, we don't know these people, but
we see this and it's so wrong, and it makes
me feel like a lot of the evil When you
listen to this guy walk through all his weapons and
all of his stuff he's doing, and he is so

(44:37):
demented as he's doing it, and then you hear the
the ensuing commentary from the media attacking prayer, I feel
like I'm still listening to evil. I hate to use
such strong language, but it feels evil to me. Evil
to me, and they had If you think about this,
if the assailant was an anti trans let's say he

(44:58):
was a registered Republican hates transgender people, and then decide
to have a mass shooting because of it, do you
think this regime media wouldn't wouldn't absolutely attach those sentiments
to every motivation that that that that that that mask
murder had done. Of course they would, But this one
they're not even telling you. In fact, they go to that,
oh he's a he's an anti Semite and he doesn't

(45:20):
like that. They forget to say he said kill Trump.
They forget to say that he has like all the
things that he puts on there. Anyway, they just selectively
report it. Let me read you some of the things
that are said online.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Well, I tell you what can you help. Let's take
a break because I want you to share that. And
we've got a great come in from Scott Jennings about
this debate over prayer. He said it last note on CNN.
We'll let you hear that, and of course we want
to hear from you and your reaction to this discussion
on prayer and how certain people are condemning people who pray.
They're mocking God, are they not? Your calls and comments

(45:53):
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Speaker 1 (46:05):
Mind your Big your text and Longhorn taken on defending
national champs of Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'll state two unproven quarterbacks at the beginning of Arch
Madison and the hype around this kid.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I'm never see poor kid. I don't know if he
can live up all the hype.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
So it'll be fun. All right, Let's get back to
the issue that we're talking about right now. If you're
just joining us, the attacks on people who pray sharply
criticized by those on the left and light of what
happened in Minneapolis last night. And I want to play
for you, Greg Scott Jennings, so you and I have
fallen in love with this guy. This guy can put
things to a point that you really He conveys a

(46:41):
wonderful message, and he was on CNN last night, like
he is almost every night, talking about the attacks on
Breer and encourage people to think about things a little
bit more.

Speaker 11 (46:50):
I actually had a negative reaction to the mayor's statements today.
I think it's wrong, Frankly, to vilify or people of faith.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
You said thought some prayers ring hollow.

Speaker 11 (47:02):
I think thoughts and prayers are the most solid on
days of tragedy for people who live their faith every day.
And I think on a day like today, particularly in
a church community, there are probably people praying harder for
comfort today than they have ever prayed in their life.
And so I think, and I've heard others on the
left today, I go down this line of attack against

(47:25):
people of faith, sort of denigrating the idea that they
might want to.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Pray today, And so I think his statements were misguided.

Speaker 11 (47:33):
The thing that struck me today, abby, truthfully, when I
was watching this unfold, was that the two little ones
that died were eight and ten.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I have seven and nine.

Speaker 11 (47:43):
Those are my two youngest. They turn eight and ten
in a few days. And I you know, we could
probably sit here and argue out all the issues of
faith and transgenderism and all the other things that have
been raised today. But it strikes me that none of
us ever want to know the terror and the absolute
empty hole that will never be filled that those parents

(48:04):
of the eight and ten year old are going to feel.
And I just thought maybe tonight, the most useful thing
any of us can do would take ten seconds and
just sit quietly and be still, and be quiet and
think about those families, because they are never going to
be the same.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Well, that's for sure, they will be that's sobering. They
will never be the same. They will always remember that
lost child. It's tragic.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, hard to even talk about because it's just that traumatic.
But let's go to we have great callers. We want
to hear from you. What's your take on all this.
I really am I shouldn't be, but I am really
surprised at the hostility towards Americans belief in the power
of prayer. They really are taking that to task in
the aftermath of this. Let's go to our callers. We

(48:52):
have Reed from Salt Lake City that's been patiently waiting
on hold. Reed, welcome to the Rodd and Greg show.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
Sure take him like call.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
Hey.

Speaker 8 (49:02):
My point that I made with the screener is that
wolf left activism is far more dangerous than all of
the guns in America combined. This young, disturbed young man
woman whatever, If he had learned how to pray when
he was younger, if he had been taught that there's

(49:22):
something higher that you can get help, you can receive
benefits from that, I really don't believe this would have happened.
And yet the local left are starting to attack that.
I think the media used to put on the front,
but now that they're attacking prayer, that the you know,
the mask is gone. They're just I mean, this is strong,
but they're just evil.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I agree, yeah, period, Yeah, I agree. There read it,
and I think I think for a long time there
was a cynicism on the part of the media when
he came to prayer. You could just kind of felt
it in the background a little bit, but they never
were open about it. Boy Jen Posaki and the mayor
opened that door yesterday and now they're just going right
after it.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Point if this man, who is clearly troubled and sick
in the mind and everything else, he had a target
practice with Jesus's head at the top of the of
the target, so it's it's worse than he didn't turn
to God. He this wokesm and all this stuff he's
been consuming made him hostile towards towards a you know,

(50:22):
towards the Jesus. And I just let me just read
you a couple of just things right here that I
think will blow your mind. This is just from the
online chatter from a lot of these people that I
have no problem with what happened. They said, more dead
Christians Lol. To me, it seems like you elect a
really bad guy that's cruel to people and weaponize his

(50:42):
cruelness and horrific behavior against your neighbors. Some of those
horrible uh, some of those horrible things will happen back.
Maybe they're Christo fascist parents will think twice before supporting
an administration that kills Palestinian children. Conservatives want to kill
all trans shouldn't be surprised when we fight back. This

(51:03):
is heroic. They want to kill our kids. We're going
to fight back. Take take the fight to their kids
so that they can feel what it's like to be
attacked for your identity. Another one, Am I supposed to
feel bad that rich Christian kids are gone? Good riddans.
There's more, here's more. It just keeps going sick, sick, sick. Yeah,

(51:25):
future religious extremist dying isn't a bad thing. You hear
these do you hear these comments?

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I mean this is people, this and this is this
stems from wocism. So we talk about what's the our
ability to defend ourselves and right to bare arms versus
this being said. This is going to destroy the fabric
of this country, of this type of mindset. This mind
virus is what it is. It is odd to continue.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
We've got more to say and more comments from you.
Coming up. It is the Rodic Gregg Show right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Hey NRS,
I'm Susan Hughes and I'm Rod our kid. All right,
let's get to some of our listeners who left messages
on the talk back line as we talk about prayer
and the debate over prayer. Right now, here's one of
the talk back listeners.

Speaker 12 (52:05):
Hey, Rod and Greg, I just had a question on
the current topic. Do you think li left is attacking
prayer so much because there it was a transgender person
that committed this atrocity and to distract from that fact.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Absolutely, that's my opinion.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I think I think they're going to say, I mean
they went I think the USA. I think I saw
a USA Today article talking about this and they wouldn't
mention any of the details, but they said they somehow
got an Ice raid complain about Ice in the story
about this kid's in this shooting. And I think they're
going to I think they're going to find they're going
to frame this in every narrative known without actually telling

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the truth. They're not going to actually give the details
of what happened, where the circumstances of some of the
disturbing messages he had on everything. He was using his
arsenal and weapons. But at the end of the day,
I think they really I don't think this is just
a shell game. I think these people truly have Not
only do they not understand the power of prayer, they
reject it, They actively reject it, and they revile anyone

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of religious faith. They look down on them. They they don't,
they don't.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Buys always happen, and that.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Is coming out in spades as you're hearing that commentary. Yeah,
I think they're going to talk about anything under the sun,
but the facts of what's going you can't say. You
can say there's a lot of things motivating this demonic,
insane person, but you can't say we don't know. I mean,
when you're saying kill Trump, when you're saying when all
the things that are on that he is expressing, you

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might have a laundry list of things that are that
he's talking about. But you're not in the dark. We
are not in the dark like we are. A lot
of these master years, we don't know what was what
they were thinking, what they're This person has given us
everything that was going through their mind.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Well, even on CNN last night, Greg Jake Tapper, you
wanted to make sure everybody got the pronouns right. Can
we get the pronouns right on this kid? Here's another comment.

Speaker 13 (54:00):
We want to hold everybody else responsible. Why aren't we
holding the therapist responsible for this stuff? These kids think
that it's okay to be transgender therapist. It's okay. Now
they think it's okay to kill people, and the therapist
is gonna say it's okay. So why aren't we holding
the therapists responsible.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I don't know if you could in a case like that,
but you sure would like to find out what you know.
Here's what I think needs to be examined, Greg, the
drugs that are used on these kids and what impact
they're having on these kids. Nobody's talking about that, they're not.
Let's find out about the drugs that are being used.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
We are learning what's happened here and then because of this.
I even forgot yesterday, but rand that we had a
transgender person who killed their parents and tried to kill
their brother and just last June, and then attack the
guards inside the jail. There's I think that there's something
to be discussed here. The mother has. I don't know

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if they've been able to make contact now, but as
of this more, I read a report where they had
failed to be able to contact the mother or father
of this individual as of this morning. And if I'm
those parents looking at what made it on the YouTube
that we all can see in that home. You know,
you've seen cases where some of these mass murders that
live with their parents, their parents have been charged because

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there was minimalism.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, So I think she's hiding because I think she
feels there's some responsibility that she bears.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
There's no other listener listening or leaving Essa coming on
our talk back line.

Speaker 14 (55:31):
Hey Rodin, Greg, I just heard on the news that
there was another semi truck roll over today. I just
wondering what your thoughts are on all these semi trucks
rolling over in the past couple of weeks. Do we
think it's just new cdo drivers? Is it something like
Florida where it's an illegal immigrant, or is it just

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happens to be all unrelated incidents?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Is interesting point, Greg.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
My answer yes, yes to all the above. I think
I think all drivers are lousy now after COVID. I
think I've seen people stop and they missed their turn.
They just stop and middle of the road. They want
to go over to talking about truck drivers, I'm just
talking about regular motors. So I think I think driving
has gotten worse. I think the CDL license has got

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too low of a standard in too many states. I
think there's that risk. I think it's I think it's
a combination of things making the roads so dangerous right now.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
You do hear a lot about it. I mean, what
was it just last week the beer truck turned over
up in the mouth of Parley's Canyon.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah, I'd like to know. Wouldn't it be interesting to
know the scenario behind that?

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
And that as well? All right, you know, I think
it leaves us with one question, Greg as we and
we're thinking we're trying to faire out why and what happened.
But I think a civilized society like we live in today,
how do we protect ourselves from people like this guy
in Minneapolis? How do we do it?

Speaker 1 (56:57):
To be a free society. There's just going to be
an inherent risk to some of it. I just don't
think you can and be a free society not be
at risk. But I I just think that beyond us
our kids, how do we protect these kids. I just
think that we just have I think there is work
in that on that front going on, but I think
that we have to protect ourselves in society. You have
to be able to talk about what happened here and

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if there is a relationship between chemically cast ratings or
surgery with minors trying to change their gender, and and
what might be the consequence of doing that to that
person going forward. It's all new.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
We don't know, ye, we gotta figure it out, all right.
More to come our number three of the Ronni Gregg
Show on Talk Rady don't want oh five nine kay alright,
stay with us. So we hope you all have a
wonderful Labor Day weekend, have some fun out there. Bad
weather's coming our way sooner sooner, sooner or later, it

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will come our way.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Well I am. We're not done though, We got it.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Back tower to go yet.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
This is going to be a next one, our next guest.
I'm very excited for this interview because you know, insanity
is doing the same thing expecting a different result. We've
got a couple of states that that that I guess
see California is a shining star to do everything they do,
over regulate, over taxed, you know, everything, you name it. Yeah,
and I don't know that I'll be well, we're going
to ask our guests, Uh, do these these states expected

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different out there? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Well, I remember that Coloranda Glenn Beck show, I think
it was last week I mentioned it. She said Utah
is becoming the bluest of red states. Yeah, which is
kind of scary, but we don't want to hit in
that direction. But there are there are other states that
are and that's why we wanted to talk with our
next guest, Joel Kotkin. He's with tappin the University. Joel,
how are you welcome to the Rodding Greg Show. Great

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to have you back on, Joel.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Oh, it's my pleasure. All right.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
What is going on in Washington, Oregon and Colorado that
you say all quickly becoming the next Californians. I thought
they were already there, Joel.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Well, I think that. Well, Washington State, of course, is
a long history in that direction.

Speaker 12 (59:04):
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
I think the Farley, the head of the Democratic Party
in the nineteen thirties, said we have forty we had
forty seven states and the Soviet of Washington, and you know,
there's definitely a strong tradition. But you know, not too
long ago, Oregon, Colorado, and Washington State elected the family

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often Republican governors that they had many Republican senators and there,
and they also had many people who were if they
were Democrats, they were middle of the road Democrats. They
were you know, like sort of like the you know,
Truman Pat Brown Democrats as opposed to progressive. I think

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a couple of things have happened. One of course, is
the climate change hysteria or whatever you want to call it,
has become so dominant that that drives a lot of
this policy. And I think also, you know, frankly, I
think what happened. I was actually just talking to a
friend of mine news Republican National committeemen in Californias, and

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what's happened is that the conservative Californians have moved to Texas, Arizona,
North Carolina, you know, places like that, the more liberal
ones tended to go to Colorado, Washington, and Oregon. So
they they strengthened that part of the political environment. And

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of course these states also like California, are essentially two states.
The interior parts of Oregon, Washington, and most of Colorado
outside of Boulder and Denver is actually quite pervative.

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
But they don't have the votes, and so they're going
to keep losing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
And I look, I think, you know, despite the successes
of youa Utah in many ways could certainly go more
in that direction than maybe people might expect.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I agree with you. Let me ask you this. There
was a it just came up a California assemblyman, Republican
just put a put forward a resolution to consider a
left coast California and splitting it with an eastern part
of California. But looking at Oregon, hasn't it There been
talk of eastern portion of Oregon joining Idaho because they

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it's like a slow moving train wreck. They see what
California has done. And there's people that aren't crazy that
are trying to buifer kate away from this. What's going
on in Oregon? Is there anything serious going on with
potentially jointing Idaho?

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Well, you know, the difficulty is always that if you
try to secede but you have to have the whole
state vote, you have a problem. I mean the same
thing in Los Angeles when San Frando valley tried to
secede from the city of vallet in law because they
the rest of the city of La voted and they
didn't want to lose the valley. So even though the

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valley wanted to get lost, it couldn't. And I think
this will be the same situation. I think it's gonna
be very, very difficult for these things to happen. And
part of what happens is the economies of the interior,
whether it's California or Oregon, Washington, Colorado, a lot of
involvement with historically with fossil fuels, a lot of environment

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with ranching, with with having you know, all sorts of
sort of natural resource industries, and then you've got a
coastal area which is as detached from that as humanly possible.
And so what you end up with is you end
up with a state that has a policy that really

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only serves the needs of that part of the state,
not the whole state. And it's part of the bigger
picture of the bigger tragedy in America, which is that
there aren't enough Republicans and Blues states, and there aren't
enough Democrats and red states, so we never get the
kind of compromise and and sort of rational policy that

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we used to get. You know, and I speak my
students at chat and I say, you know, when I
was growing up, you know, just because somebody was a Democrat,
that didn't mean that they embraced a whole sort of
left wing ideology. And a lot of times it will
be Republicans who are you know, quite moderate and even

(01:03:31):
in some cases liberals. And in all cases they represented
their constituencies right now, the constituencies that are represented ideological
constituencies right and left. And that's why we have such
awful governance. Well in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah, well, Joel, you know, I lived in Seattle for
four or five years several years ago, and you could
you could see a distinct difference in that state. On
the west side of the Cascades, you had sat at all,
you had Tacoma, you know, very liberal areas. You went
over the Cascades and went to eastern Washington, you honestly
felt like you were in a different country. I mean,

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the difference was stark, Joel.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
And see what's happened is what by californicating themselves, if
you will, those parts of the state will will become
weaker I mean, I think what you'll end up with
over time is you know, you'll have you have vineyards
and you know, and some some small scale industry, and
you'll have a lot of you know, well to do

(01:04:35):
people from the coasts who may buy places or maybe
even move uh to to enjoy you know, having a
little bit of space. But you know, the the trajectory
of the of the of these states is really quite
alarming in that you know that you can tell that
these policies don't work. I mean, look, you even have

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a situation now where a state like Massachusetts which is
historically had the highest level of education on very good
and now they're stripping those away. I mean, this, this
progressive ideology is inexorable. It is, you know. I mean,
in my opinion, Donald Trump, you know, is essentially a

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reaction to that. I don't think the country is crazy
enough to actually want Donald Trump, but they're but they're
not crazy enough to want the Democrats, so they end
up with them. I mean, my my take on on
on Trump as he's like an enema, you know. I mean,
it's like it's something something had had to be done.
It wasn't pleasant, and.

Speaker 7 (01:05:41):
And when it's when it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
It will be well, we'll go back to what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
It might be Joe, this is so funny. I love
this so much. I love it because I do like
Donald Trump. I would support it. But but when you
and I could be on the same side, because whether
he's an anima to you or breath of fresh air
to me, we just don't like what's going on on
the other side. I do think that there's some truth
to that. But I just want to ask you, so
in Salt Lake City, and I don't know if this

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happens in Portland. I don't know if it happens in
Seattle or in Denver. But when we went through that
whole defund the police phase, where the law enforcement and
public safety became the bad guys and you could just
hug your way out of this and just get more
social workers on the ground. And when those things were
said and budgets were moved because of it, when they
saw the consequences of that, and even the economic ones,

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they didn't brag about it, they didn't put it up
in the neon lights, but they sheepishly changed course and
restaffed and refunded their police department in Salt Lake city.
Is there an economic consequence where it's just math, where
even if you're a leftist ideologue, you can't watch it
just become a wasteland, a Walking Dead episode. Is there
something that's going to reverse course in these major metropolitan

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cities like Denver, Portland or Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Well, the problem, you know, and I don't mean to
be too provocative, the problem is that those those cities
have is they're too white, and they're they're you know,
they're populated by young white hipsters who are the base
of the progressive You know that the progressives do not

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do particularly well with working class voters. They're they don't
necessarily do well with Latino voters, they don't necessarily do
well with black African you know, African American males. So
I mean, basically, you know, what what what what what
you What you end up with is a system where
the the real the forces of common sense, I wouldn't

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even say liberal or conservatives are constantly being overwhelmed by
people who are renters. They're never going to buy a house,
they're probably never going to get married, they're not going
to have kids, and all they want is everyone to
subsidize them so they can live in San Francisco. I
mean that's basically or Seattle or Portland. Now can this change, Yes,

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it can change if a city has retained enough of
a middle class and has and has a corporate community
that's engaged. And one of the things we see here,
particularly in southern California, is the corporate community is just worthless,
has no power at all, and so you know, the
progressives basically can do whatever they want with very little pushback.

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Now a two cities that really and I have an
article coming out on this in the next month, two
cities that have made a reverse. One is used In
which was never quite that bad, and then the other
one is San Francisco. San Francisco has elected a middle
of the road Democrat and now they still have a

(01:08:53):
very left oriented city coun border supervisors. But there's there's
some push I think you'll see this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
You'll see it in You've seen it in the DA races, even.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
In La County, San Francisco County, in Seattle. You know
these crazy you know prosssut SOL prosecutors. I mean, there
there certainly is a limit howfuy you can go. And look,
if you go bad enough, you know, you can even
f end up with a really good mayor like the
one in Detroit. Yeah, where people say it things are

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so bad, you know, we're going to have to try
somebody competent. Or there's some very good mayors like the
mayor of Selinas, California, eighty percent Hispanic city, Dennis Downe,
who is not Hispanic, but he wins the Hispanic vote
because he's a very brass tax Let's get things done.
What can we afford? What can't we afford? That that

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is still there. The problem becomes that until there is
something dramatic happening, it doesn't change that much. And again,
remember one big thing. Most of these people who vote
for the progressives are either public employees true, dependent on
government support true or there or they're you know, young

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young hipsters without kids. So what do they care that
the schools today?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Yeah, that's for sure. That's for sure. Joel is always
great chatting with you. Thanks for a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
All right, thank you, Okay, all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Right, Joel cuck and joining us on our newsmaker line.
Donald trump'sman called a lot of names over the years.
I've never heard him described as an enema. I know
that's it's a positive aspect to it. You know when
look at that, you look at that deep state boy
does need.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
It in a way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
It's true. All right, we're coming up on the Rod
and Greg show in Utah's Talk Radio one O five
nine k n R. S.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Well, we still move on. We don't care about We're
in summer. Can come and go, we stay we're right here.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I've got another example of rod our catch sleeps like
a rock at night. Are you ready for this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I think there's been earthquakes and things that natural disasters
that occur, and you never you never wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
So I woke up this morning, went and played pickleball.
Court was a little wet, okay, And I came home
and I asked my wife, and I heard one of
the guys say, we had a lightning storm like you
wouldn't believe last night. And I came home and I
asked my wife. I said, did it rain a lot
last night? She said, yes, it did, And there was
a thunderstorm like you wouldn't believe. I didn't hear a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
This sky's party. It was like it was like a
bomb went off. And this is all news to you
and my.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Wife goes, I thought we were having an earthquake. I said,
we were.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You didn't hear a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I didn't hear a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
You're out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, you know, And that to me is a blessing
that I sleep so well at night. But it does
scare me too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Get a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I'm not kidding a dog. I've had no dogs. I
have I've had dogs. Well, look, what's that dog going
to wake me up?

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
No, if there's a home invasion dog with bark and
scare them away, you aren't gonna get Well, the burglar
could be there, you won't even wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Well, that did happen a couple of weeks ago, burglar. No,
My wife was staying up at my son's house. They
lived fairly close by, watching the green kids. They were
out of town and uh, one of them need a
little medicine, so she came down to the house to
get some medicine. I had no idea she was in that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, see what I'm saying, I was so let me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Probably shouldn't share that on people may track me down this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
But this goes full circle because I don't know if
you know, so, just so you know, he's got a Rottweiler.
Now he's gonna have a Rotwiler. Folks, thank you. You
know na Rottweiler named buzz yep Rocky or something.

Speaker 7 (01:12:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Killer, So no, I know that's what I look. I
watched the I watched the documentary of that that La
night Crawler, that guy that psycho that was a night
stalker in Los Angeles. He was night Crawler is a
warm Yeah, well what every nice something. But he was
an evil guy and he was kidnapping, killing. He's doing
all this stuff in this documentary. The only people that

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that he targeted that never were killed or harmed were
the people that had dogs. Really, because he cut lines
for security and for phones. But you couldn't you couldn't
beat a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
I got a dog, So you know, folks, I know
you did. No, there's no criminals listening to the Rod
and Greg show, so we don't have to worry about.
My wife is a very light sleeper social protect rodeo queen.
I actually, would you'd rather run against it. You'd rather
come up against the Rottwiler than rodeo queen. If you're not,
if you're somewhere you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Be, do not mess with Queen Bee or the rodeo.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Now not both of these. Yeah, there do not suffer fools,
well or lightly, Yeah they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
You wanted to share an We've been talking all about
prayer and everything that happened in Minneapolis, and Tulca Gabbert,
one time Democrat now a big supporter of Donald Trump
serving in his intelligence community, in his cabinet, made an
interesting comment.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
So that what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
And I like this because look our last interview Joel
you know Joel Cock, and he's he said that Trump's
like an animal. It's not his favorite, can it? But
he cannot stand what the left are doing. So it's
really uniting people that might not even have seen Trump
in the same way. I'll take it. I think it's
all addition. I absolutely love the president, but an example
that would be his cabinet. I think the president has

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been a great uniter. He has people like RFK Junior,
a Democrat that's on his cabinet doing a phenomenal job.
Telsea Gabbert, she was a Democrat member of Congress serving
out of Hawaii, serving the district out of Hawaii. She
was a Democrat candidate for president in the primaries there
she is now a member of his cabinet national Security Advisor,
that she had this to say about the shooting, and

(01:14:30):
I think this is a very powerful and again a
uniting message. And it didn't matter what party you came
from when she makes this observation, and I think it's
very powerful. She said, those like Jenni Pesaki and the
mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frye, who criticize prayers in the
wake of the Minneapolis tragedy are expressing the same anti
God sentiment that motivated the shooter. And she says he

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aimed his wrath at God by trying to stop people
with his bullets from praying to God. Now was a
time for us to come together and join hands in
prayer for the children who were killed, they're loved ones,
and those who survived this if horrific shooting. Now that's
that's she's clearly not a Democrat anymore, just because you

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can't find someone on the left that would express that
kind of sentiment. And she just did love that, love
that statement, and they are I hadn't put it together
that way. But when they start to disparage God, he
had a he had a target, target with Jesus right
right on the head. He went to a church and
shot these children who were praying when they are absolutely
hostile towards those that would pray. They're expressing the same sentiment.

(01:15:38):
How sick.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Yeah, yeah, he pointed a gun. They're pointing their words
that people believed. More coming up final half hour the
Rod and Greg Show with you right here on Utah's
talk radio one O five nine k NRS. District redistricting
issue here in the state of Utah. The President weighed
in on it yesterday, and I love this headline. Uh,

(01:16:00):
what was it in the d nudes today? I think
I read this where you know, uh, Democrats see a
sign of hope.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yeah, well yeah, they try to call steal one of
our seats, and that's exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
It's very disappointing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Well, let's talk about mail in voting, because you know,
the governor, lieutenant governor others in this state love to
tut about how Utah is so good at mail in voting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Yeah, I'm not. I don't subscribe to that. I've got
serious issues.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Even if you live in southern Utah, your vote goes
to Vegas first and then comes back. Ye, that makes
a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
So you unsolicited mass mail all these ballots unsolicited, and
then though if you live you know, halfway from the
state of Utah about midway all the way south, everything
goes out of state to another state in Las Vegas
to get sorted and then ship then comes back. Give
me a break a lot. That's a good chain of custody.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
this disaster, not only in Utah but around the country,
as Josh Finley, director of the National Educate Protection Project, Josh,
how are you welcome to the rod In Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (01:17:05):
I'm great, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
You say that mail in voting is a recipe for disaster.
Talk more about that if you would, well it is.

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
It's the least secure way of voting that we have
in this country. If you look at a typical voting process,
when people vote in person from start to finish, it
is more secure than mail in voting. When you show
up to vote, you cast a ballot. You have to
show an ID. People can verify who you are. When
you go to cast your ballot, you see who you're
voting for.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Right you know.

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
Exactly what your ballot says, and then things are processed
right there and generally we have election results by the
end of the day. In mail in voting, it's just
the opposite. You know, you send in a ballot, there's
no verification of who is sending in that ballot, who
actually made the marks on it to cast that vote,
And as we've seen in California, it can take up

(01:17:55):
to thirty eight days after election day to get the results.
And that's just a recipe for disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
You know, Josh, we have our system. They have these
the software that's supposed to look at your signature and
verify it with other signatures that you've put on public
you know, state documents or something to verify that it's you.
The scrutiny or the intensity of how it scrutinizes that
signature changes by the by the clerks who decide how
closely they want to, how strict they want that to be,

(01:18:22):
or how loose. But so they want to point that
they have a safeguard like that. But my question is
for voter fraud, if it takes all these days and
ours was the same way where they were taking so
many days after the election had happened. What how is
there a state that's ever safeguarded where you know the
chain of custody when it's arrived. Why it took thirty

(01:18:45):
eight days. Why in our state it takes twenty one
days to get all the votes counted, when a state
much larger like Florida can do it all by that night.
Any state doing vote by mail by mass mail, who
gets a timely vote result.

Speaker 7 (01:19:01):
Well, I think that's it. No, they don't get a
timely vote result. The states that have the majority of
their voting in person always get it done quicker, and
there are states that have been able to do this
without incident. Utah is the state that you would point
to to say, you know, maybe it's quicker, it's a
little faster than other states. But when you do mail
in voting, you leave loopholes, You leave time as to

(01:19:24):
your point chain of customy time where those ballots are
available to who knows who, as they're sitting in warehouses,
as they're being handled by people. We just need these
ballots counted quickly so people that can have confidence in
the election results.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I want to ask you this one, Josh, as well.
The public support of mail in voting. A lot of
people say they like it, but do they like the delays?
Has anyone ever asked them a follow up question? Yes,
it is easier, but do you like waiting a day
or two days before you know the outcome of this?

Speaker 7 (01:19:56):
Well, that's exactly it. It's a trade off of convenient
for confidence and no. A lot of pulling, well, a
lot of pulling does not ask that follow up question.
When you ask people in pulling generally do they want
their their election results right away? The answer is always yes.
It's an eighty percent issue across the board. People think

(01:20:19):
that we wait too long for our election results and
a lot of jurisdictions, and if they have a choice,
they absolutely want it right away. What we've got to
do is we've got to to let people know that,
you know, that trade off of convenience for mailing in
a ballot does not lead to security, and it's the
delay that gives people concern.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
So I one hundred percent agree, and I do want
to see the state of Utah only do the vote
by mail. If someone has individually signed up asked for that,
they're going to be out of town, or they're overseas
or whatever it might be, but it be by requests,
not just blind unsolicited mailing mass mailing of ballots. But
I want to go back to the President's executive order

(01:21:00):
where he says he wants to get rid of mail
in voting. Does the president have that authority to do
that through an executive order or is this a just
a strong suggestion from the Feds.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
Well, I think this is something that you see the
President do a lot. This is a negotiating tactic. You know,
if he does this by executive order, there will certainly
be lawsuits about it, And frankly, I hope there are
lawsuits because this issue needs it today in court and
people need to be more educated on the pitfalls and
the potential pitfalls of mail in voting. So I think

(01:21:35):
it will be challenged definitely. But I think also this
should be a wake up call to states to say, hey,
you're not running efficient elections. If you're running elections that
people just perennially, perennially have doubts about, you need to
do something to fix this, or the federal government is
going to come in and take a look at at
how you're running your elections.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Joel, I've never heard anyone explain this and a lot
of people are you know, look to Florida as a
state that seems to be able to do this all
in one day. How do they do it, Josh? I mean,
what do they do differently? Why are they able to
turn the vote around and we have results before the
night is over.

Speaker 7 (01:22:13):
Well, there's a couple of things that they do, but
really what it all stems back to is they've already
had their election integrity.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Issues banging JAD election.

Speaker 7 (01:22:24):
JAD right, so they had to completely revamp their election system.
The citizens in that state don't because they have had
those issues. They don't stand for the questions, the mistrust
that comes from these loopholes with the lack of security
and transparency that other election systems have, and so they've
dedicated resources to it. You look at what Governor DeSantis

(01:22:46):
and the Secretary of State have done to clamp down
on voter fraud, you know, giving the Attorney General the
ability to have its own commission to look into voter fraud.
There's just a lot of steps that they have taken
to improve the efficiency and confidency of confidence in their elections.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
So I guess my final question would be, uh, if
we wanted to get rid of it. If we want
to get rid of our vote by mail and uh,
and and there are and there are I think you
can list out and I do think that we don't.
We have a citizenry that doesn't appreciate all the how
vulnerable the election is, or the lack of integrity if
you have bad players. But one of the reasons why

(01:23:25):
Utah got into this game of the vote by mail
was because there was this federal money after the two
thousand race for electronic voting machines so that you would
have you could vote in person and it would print
your your vote, but it would also be electronic so
that you wouldn't have hating chads. Well, everybody took that money.
Everybody bought these diebald election machines. Diebald quickly goes out

(01:23:46):
of business. In this these machines break down, there's nothing.
Then the county clerks didn't have the budget to replace
them with something else. And that's where a lot of
them said, well, it's a lot less expensive to go
vote by mail. How do we get where is the
fun honey? What would be the solution to get back
to voting on same day? If those were some of
the reasons why you saw counties or states get into

(01:24:08):
vote by mail because they got bought into the vote
machine game after the year two thousand and now they
don't have the resources.

Speaker 7 (01:24:16):
Well, a lot of people have bought into the vote
machine and there's a lot of problems with that as well.
You've got to have accurate machines. But you know the
reason that the election administrators want mail in voting, like
you said, convenience and funding, well, a couple of things.
One is we need people to get involved in the
elections more. Everybody complains about they can't open enough polling

(01:24:38):
places because there's not enough poll workers. People need to
get involved in the election process and help out those
those election administrators. We also just need to do a
better job of funding our elections in this country. The
Election Transparency Initiative just put out a funding that showed
that the US government spends more money funding foreign election

(01:24:58):
then they do funding unit I did States elections, and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
A big issue.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
I mean, I would argue that our elections are national
security issue and there needs to be more funding for
same day voting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
You're here, amen to that, Josh, great work. Appreciate a
few minutes of your time. Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Josh Finley, director of the National Election Detection Project Mail
in voting. You know the president is trying, but I'm
went to president. I mean, I just wish we'd all
have to vote on the same day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Look, in Utah, we were known as volunteers. There would
be no end to the people that would be volunteer
to be election judges on election day. I think if
the word went out, we can go to the same
day voting. If we can get people to do it,
I think many people would would. I always love I
still vote by mail or vote in person, and I
always see the voting the people, the election judges are
there voting judges and say hi. They're oftentimes people I

(01:25:51):
know nice.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
It's a great experience, great civic involvement as well. All Right,
more coming up, final few minutes of the Rodin Greg
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