The Rod and Greg Show: Ilegal Alien Threatens Kaysville Family; Will Longshoremen Strike Affect Utah?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The three things we talked about before the show starts.
Every one of them could be a week long discussion
in any other given year or month or a year.
I mean, I'm just it's it's unbelievable and.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Big, big stories. I mean, you know we have you know,
is are we about to see a regional war in
the Middle East? It sure does look like it. Greg.
We've got a debate tonight. We've got the the dock
workers going out on strike at midnight. The implications of that,
we'll play that that that SoundBite hearing a little bit
from the union leader talk about arrogance scenario. I just

(00:31):
just I mean, these dock workers are not underpaid. Let's
be honest with you. I mean, they make very good.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Money, well whatever they make. Just know this, folks there,
and I've said this, there is a very very big
difference between a union worker or just a just a worker,
an everyday worker in America and these union bosses. Can
you hear this union boss, I don't care what the
union dock worker makes. This dude's rolling in seven hundred k.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah a year, seven and ten thousand is they're at.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
That camera and threaten every single American on every economic
sector that they're going to. He's going to make us
feel pain. We don't even realize yet that's that guy.
But by the way, that guy is not the everyday worker.
That's a union boss and just sounds like Tony Soprano that.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, he's trying to look good in front of his
rank and file. You know what that's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, that's going to work against you.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, and that's what he's trying to do. We're gonna
get into that. We'll talk about what's going on in
the Middle East here in just a minute. We'll also
talk about the debate. As a matter of fact, just
a reminder, you'll hear live coverage of the debate coming
up tonight at seven o'clock right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine Cannor I saw. We've got
a lot to get to today and we invite you
to be a part of the program. Eight eight eight

(01:41):
five seven oh eight zero one zero oh. And by
the way, coming up, Greg in the five o'clock hour,
in just about an hour from now, we are going
to talk with a couple in Cadsville who had an
unbelievable experience with someone who shouldn't be in this country. Yeah,
it just you know what they say. Now, every state

(02:01):
is a border state.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, we don't have to go to Colorado, we don't
have to go to Springfield, Ohio. We've had callers call
in and share some some real heart wrenching stories, this one,
I think, folks, when you hear it, if you haven't
seen it on social media. Elon Musk actually reposted this
story from a Utah Eric Mutsos, who posted on this issue.
But we're gonna be able, We're gonna talk speak with
these these folks.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Folks unbelievableble in my hometown Ktown. Yeah, I know, we're
a nice state. How Ever, since our kets Rout moved
in Downhill, we've been there for a long time. So
don't blame it on us, right, don't blame it on all. Right,
let's talk about what's going down in the Middle East. Greg.
You know, I'm not sure Greg, what Iran is trying

(02:45):
to prove. I mean, if you look at this, I
mean today they launched nearly two hundred ballistic missiles at
Israel with very little impact. So what on earth are
they trying to prove? Greg? I mean what the missiles?
I can throw them at Israel and Israel knocks them
out of the sky. I'm not sure what they're trying
to prove.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
So, you know, I if you rewind, just even go
back a year ago, or maybe a little more than
a year ago, there was a six billion dollar prisoner
exchange that the Biden administration engaged with the government of Iran.
Huh paid them six billion dollars cash on top of
exchanging prisoners. And when asked, what are you do going
to do with that money, the mula's whatever. Whoever's running

(03:27):
I had total whoever's running the place says whatever we want. Well,
you want to know what they want to do? Fast
forward to now. They wanted to throw those two hundred
missiles ballistic missiles at Israel. Here's my worry. Okay, why
do you do it? Because they have the Iron Curtain,
they have missiles that go up and Israel does that
intercept these ballistic missiles? Well, you only have so many

(03:48):
of them? Yeah, Okay, if you got six billion dollars
worth of these ballistic missiles, do you got another two
hundred coming tomorrow? And does Israel have another two hundred
missiles rate intercept those? I think it's a game of
a try. I think that they are beginning. If you
look at the map, the apps that they have of
incoming missiles, it's incomprehensible to see how many of those

(04:08):
intended areas thought that missile strike could have hit in Israel.
I don't know how much, how much by way of
missiles that in defense Israel has to stop those, But
I think that's the worry. I think they could. They
could outnumber the ones they have in subject.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, and the question, the question is today, Greg and
everybody is asking this, how does Israel respond to this?
You know, Iran has already warned them, don't you dare,
don't you dare respond because we'll come after you with
even more. But if you're Israel, I mean, here you are.
Look what you've gone through in the past year. We're
coming up on the one year anniversary of the attack

(04:46):
of October seventh. Look what they've been going through in
the past year. People keep on throwing bombs at them,
missiles at them. What what are they supposed to do? Now?
Just say play nice?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
They go yeah, they got a two front ward, they
go after the they go after Amas.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Basically gone is basically gone?

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, is coming in from the north. They take both
out in very different ways, but strategic ways. They handle
a two front war the way they have. Let me
tell you know what they do. I've looked on polymarkets.
I can't find this hedge bet okay or this proposition bet.
Whatever Netanyahu wants to do is what they should do,
because that guy's played it exactly right since the October
seventh of last year. He has called it right. I

(05:24):
would call it personally Operation Ashtray. I would just go
straight after Iran and and just wipe it out. I honestly,
it's it might sound easy to say I don't know
what that country does, otherwise it will never end for them.
They are coming for them. There's no treaty. Every treaty
that's ever been framed has always been give us more
time to re arm, to get ready to tack you again.

(05:47):
There has never been any other version than to kill
and wipe every Jewish person in Israel off the map.
I just out of self defense. They just have to
make it an Ashtray uninhabitable.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
And why don't why don't you hear this, Administer Greg
say to Benjamin Netanyahu, we are behind you every step
of the way you do what you need to do
to secure your country.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Why don't they because they're not.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, because they're not.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Because they've got they've got they've got other politics in
this country to appease. They got they got, you know,
the Muslims in Michigan, They've got they've got you know,
AOC and the squad in Congress. They've got so many
different cross purposes going on in their political under their
political tent that they aren't on Israel's side. Really. But
here's the here's what is going to be disgraceful about

(06:33):
the media. And we're gonna watch this and we're gonna
give you the commentary, but you'll see it with your
own eyes. This media on this issue today should be
demanding from Harris, from Walls, from Trump and Vance, what
is your clear position? Yeah, what Iran attacking Israel? What
is your clear position on what should happen next? And
they shouldn't be able to give you a fuzzy answer.

(06:55):
They shouldn't be. Let's find peace, Let's give peace a chance.
Anything that is and absolutely firmly on the side of
Israel having been bombed. This is the largest missile attack
Iran as a country has ever done. If she isn't
crystal clear and her absolute opposition to this, then she's
not opposed to it. And and just know that's what

(07:18):
you're dealing with. And shame on the media that will
never even ask that question.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, let's take our listeners back, Greg just about a
year ago at this time. Yeah, let's take our listeners back. Now.
This is Jake Sullivan. He's a spokesman for the State Department.
I believe he said this when he was in Israel
just about a year ago. As to far as far
as the situation in the Middle East is concerned, list
of this. This was a year ago.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Remember, they're getting all cozy with them, you know, give
them billions. Here we go, let's hear them. Let's how
is it going in the Middle East?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
The Iranian attacks against US forces have stopped. Our presence
in Iraq is stable, I emphasize for now, because all
of that can change. And the Middle East region is
quieter today than it has been in two decades. The
Iranian attacks again to US forces.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Here, it's amazing quieter today than it ever has been.
A year later. Yeah, look where we are. So I'm
not sure. I'm not sure, you know, Benjamin Nessaniel who
came out late this afternoon and basically said, look, you're on.
If you don't stop, we are coming after you. I
still think they're going to come after I. I wouldn't
be surprised if we don't see an Israeli attack on

(08:22):
the missile sites.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, I think they need to because I think my
worry is that they have more and you can only
have that iron curtain last so long. There's only so
much you have by way of defensive armory to in
missiles to stop this. They cannot be allowed to just
continue to rain down. Can't do it that may you
have to go to the source. So I I do
think that that that this Biden administration has absolutely created

(08:47):
this chaos. They have. They have empowered Iran through the
money they've get, the billions they've given them. They've lifted
the sanctions that that the Trump administration had against Iran,
all things that if you look at and Iran in
the state of the Middle East, when you had the
Abraham Accords, you had you had good positive things happening
in the Middle East. When Trump was on the clock.

(09:08):
You want to talk about, you know, for all those
people that think he's too brash and to everything else.
There was more peace, there was more agreements, the Abraham Accords.
He should have won a Nobel Peace Prize for those.
Those were those were historic in their in their nature.
Letting Arab planes fly over Israel airspace, you name it.
There was all kinds of great progress being made. Iran

(09:28):
was broke. Now look what you have. You know, they
all promised us that we're you know, all the chaos
of the Trump administration, chaos that they created about Trump
is all going to end. It's you know, the adults
are in charge. Now. Has this world ever been more chaotic,
at least in modern history? No, it's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Here's another theory as to why Iran did this today.
Did they do this for show against Israel? Or did
they do this for Hesbolah and Hamas saying We've got
your back, We're still with you. We know you've been decimated,
but we're still behind you. That's probably more important than
going after Israel in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, if there were only if there were more than
three of them left, Okay, I mean they are mopping
up in Gaza and they are and I'm telling you
that the beepers worked brilliantly for Hezbollah. They don't have anyone.
They got like one guy in charge, and he's running
around tunnels right now like a rat and elabyrinth.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
He's hiding out all right. When we come back. Oh,
there's a debate tonight between Tim Walls and JD. Vance.
We'll get into that. Apparently timmy's a little nervous. We'll
find out what he has to say coming up right
here on the Rod and Greg Show. Great to be
with you on this first day of October. I saw
this story today. DEM's privately worry how Walls will fare

(10:42):
against Vance in VP debate tonight. I mean, now, I
wonder if it's gonna go. You know, he said, what
was it? He had said in the past that he
was in Tienaman Square when the revolution was going on
against China. Right, yeah, Well, come to find out he
was in Nebraska. There's a little difference between a little

(11:04):
bit of distance between Nebraska and China.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
So I read that headline, Rod, and I thought, well,
you know, he's just dropping stuff like he's a big timer.
You know, I was there. I was in a Hong Kong. No,
he's in a committee hearing in Congress and he goes
into strange detail about being in Hong Kong during that time,
and he talks about how the media is handling it
and how the people were handling It's not just some
off the cuff comment. He makes an entire narrative in

(11:30):
this committee hearing about it. And when you find out
that the guy was actually in Nebraska during that time,
it actually is worse than telling a lie. I mean,
it is an elaborate story that has no bearing in
truth at all. It's a little bit disturbing.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, well, you've got a SoundBite with someone who had
I guess was it overheard Walls talking about the debate
or something along that line. That's just got of bizarre.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
So CNN continues to surprise because this is a CNN reporter, folks,
and he's talking about and I believe he's saying firsthand
about what he overheard. Is he left the fundraising room
and then Walls was getting into it with the attendees
at the fundraiser. Let's listen to what is being reported
to have been heard.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Even last week, I was in New York at a
fundraiser that Tim Walls was doing at an apartment there,
and he said after I left the room, I heard
he said to someone who asked, has debate prep going?
He said, look, I was trained as a teacher. As
a teacher, we're training to answer the questions. We tell
our students to answer the questions. That's not what this is.
So Walls really trying to fit himself into this somewhat

(12:36):
awkward always thing of a nationally televised debate.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Just set expectations as low as you can get them
so you'll come out looking good. That's what they're doing
with Tim Wallas.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
He's not wrong that he should not answer a single
question because he doesn't have a good answer for any
of it. Minneapolis is burning? What'd you do?

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (12:58):
You know?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
He doesn't have any answer for it. I mean you could.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You could ask you you put tampons in boys restrooms?
Why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
So you're a National Guard and you've been mistating your
rank and in that you were serving in the wartime.
How do you reconcile those experiences or the truth?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
He can't do so, he can't do it. It's pretty amazing.
What can.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
He loves socialized medicine. He has said over and over
again he would do do a single payer, government pays,
no insurance nothing. You still feel that way, Yeah, he
is there. You can go down this guy. This guy
has quite the liberal record, certainly as governor, socialist record.
He tried to play a little moderate in a swing
district in Congress, but once he got that governor's seat, boy,
he went way off the cliff left. That leaves him

(13:41):
in a debate like this where Pennsylvanians are watching and
others in those battleground states. His answers aren't the answers
that are going to win those states. So he's going
to work as hard as he can to avoid every
question posed to him. And by the way, he's got
the perfect network to do it. CBS News. I'm looking
at the stats. Eighty five percent Harris Walls is positive
or reporting eighty percent of Trump Vance's negative. If you

(14:04):
talk about Walls specifically, eighty nine percent positive vance eighty
nine percent negative. So you've got the you've got a
you've got a willing you know, campaign team there pretending
it's a debate that should help Walls navigate hard questions.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, and the thing is Greg, I mean,
apparently I expect Greg tonight. This could be a real dogfight,
you know, the usually you have a vice presidential Canadate,
they're the pit bull. Yeah, so now how much can
little Timmy be a pit bull? We'll have to wait
and see, but you know jd Vance can be a

(14:40):
pit bull. And apparently the word is that his team,
Walls's team, is preparing him for an onslaught of attacks
from jd Vance, who's already been blasting the Minnesota governor
as a radical leftist. So apparently they're trying to prepare
Timmy to get ready to fight.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Well, there's signs that that exposing their record, be it Kamala,
Harris or Walls, is working.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
And the reason the reason I think it's working is
I like to read the enemy communications, the communicate from
the enemy. So I go on this sub stack and
I read Robert Reich Shah as Russ Limbaugh used to
call him, former Labor secretary under Clinton. This guy is
actually deranged at this point. His writings are of a
madman in my mind. But he is just complaining, complaining

(15:26):
that there is so many negative attacks on Kamala that
are undeserved, and Walls, it means it tells me there
that their record isn't holding up to scrutiny, and he
has just livid about you know, you know, he thinks
negative campaigning is bad. And in the same article he
says that the Trump's the sleasiest president we've ever had.
He says he's a convict and he's been impeached twice.
He says negative but negative ads are not nice. They're

(15:49):
not they're not right, and they're and they're manipulative as
they just continue to feed hate and fear about Trump.
They lament that the negative ads of Kamala Harris and
and or tim are manipulative. They're manipulative. Okay, But that's
that's why I think they're working, because they actually are
making that leap of logic to cry about the negative attacks.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, this one analysis I saw today, Greg It says
that Walls has really never faced an intense direct questioning
that Vance is surely going to bring up tonight. They
forget CBS is doing this debate. Do you think now
they claim they aren't going to do any fact checking
during this, Okay, and that's what they say, But do
you think they're going to throw a hard ball question

(16:35):
a little Timmy van Timmy Walls during this debate tonight.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Only wants shame on you for me twice shame on me.
I am not going to say one second that Vance
has any kind of advantage in this debate because CBS
won't give it to them. They're going to do something
that's going to make this patently unfair. And they and
the Democrats at the same time are trying to lower
expectations for Walls by saying he's nervous, saying he is

(17:00):
a good debater, They're trying to get lower the expectations.
So when he so, the definition of him winning is
that he didn't you know, didn't screw up pe down
his own leg. That's not true a win.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, that's so. For So the three questions that should
come up right away, what what are you gonna do
about the Middle East?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yes, okay, it's in real time.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
What do you gonna do about the dock workers strike?
And what are you going to do about affordability and
rising prices? Those three questions need to be the first
three right out of the shoot. It'll be interesting to
see if CBS even goes there tonight.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
My prediction is you won't find them, at least on
the issue of the Middle East and the Middle East
and Iran in Israel, they will never pin them down
on a firm answer on that on that area of policy.
Too dangerous for as missiles fly, They're not going to
do it. And that's such an abject failure of this media.
But that's what we.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Got, simply too dangerous for them. All Right, more coming up,
Rod and Greg with you on this Tuesday afternoon right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five to nine
k n rs. I have described this, Greg, and I
think you and I talked about this week ago. Great
article written by Douglas McKennon. He described it as a
scared election. There's a scared majority out there, and I

(18:07):
think there is a scared majority, you know. I think
people on the right are scared about what Kamala is
going to do. Those on the left are scared about
what Donald Trump is going to do. Now already, Kamala
has given an indication what she wants to do. She
wants to get rid of the filibuster, which is an
important you know, that could change just imagine what that
could change in this country. And that's just the first

(18:28):
step that she'd like to take. And that's why It's
great to have our next guest on the show, David Harzani.
He is an author. He wrote about this. Harris and
the Democrats raging in are waging an all out of
war on constitutional order. David, thanks for joining us this afternoon.
Let me start off by asking David, first of all,
is there more to this effort on the part of
the Harris campaign than just getting rid of the filibuster?

Speaker 7 (18:51):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, there is.

Speaker 8 (18:53):
Obviously, the philibuster is not in the Constitution, but in
a I guess a weird way, it is one of
the last tools available to legislators that upholds federalism to
any level, because they in many ways are trying to
centralize federal government and overturn state laws. So that's one
of the reasons they want to get rid of the philibuster.

(19:14):
But it comes with other things, packing the Supreme Court,
which would allow the executive branch and Congress to do
what it wanted, and you know, getting rid of the
electoral College and other things that are meant, you know,
to diffuse democracy. The reason we have states. I don't
think that they're very interested in our having states at
all anymore, now that they think they have the upper

(19:34):
hand as far as you know, direct democracy is concerned.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
So David, it's all big talk from Kamala Harris and
the Democrats that they want to get rid of the
philibuster and everything you've just mentioned, whether it's packing a
Supreme Court or if they want to bring try to
get US senators for Washington, d C. And other places,
they would they couldn't do it with that with a filibuster.
What happens if West Virginia goes to Republican and let's

(19:59):
say Montana Senator Tester loses and that goes Republican, is
she still arguing with them and vigor to end the
filibuster at that point?

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Probably not? Yes, Yeah, and yeah, I mean you make
a good underlying point as well. It's going to take
a constitutional amendment to do away with some of these
things that they don't like, unless, of course, people just
start ignoring the Constitution and the courts, which could very
well happen as well. But no, I mean, they only
want it for themselves. If Republicans wanted to do away

(20:32):
with the legislative filibuster, they would of course compare it
to Hitler and Nazi Germany, and the press would be
on their side, and you know, it would be a
full court press as it was in the past when
they thought that the filibuster might be weakened by Republicans.
And you'll remember that the judicial filibuster has gone because
of Democrats as well, when they thought that they would

(20:52):
be in power for a long time. But turn out
that way in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Davi, But what kind of governance do you think the
Democrats actually really want for this country? What are they
looking for?

Speaker 8 (21:04):
I think they want a very powerful federal government that
can lord over what states do, overturn their laws, for instance,
their voting laws, their abortion laws, and many other laws.
So I think that they want to a centralized government
now that they think that they would win the popular vote,
which isn't a thing. Actually. They keep saying the popular

(21:24):
vote like it exists, but it's not actually a thing.
It's just something they want to exist. Obviously, if we
had a centralized election in that way, people would campaign
differently and different people would come out to vote. But
that's what they want. I mean, I think they want
to overturn state laws and places that aren't moving ahead
culturally and evolving as they would quickly as they would

(21:44):
like and other things. So yeah, I mean, I think
that's what they'd like.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
So given the subjective nature of whether they like the filibuster, don't,
Being that they're in control of the Senate and given
that it's a one seat that difference that could go
either way and it looks good for Republicans right now,
how much of this is just political pageantry like much
of Kamala Harris's campaign, and how much of this is
should we very take very seriously that this is something

(22:09):
that they're working hard at.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
You know, I think both in a weird way. I
don't think in the end that the filibuster will be overturned. Yet,
I don't think those other things we spoke about will happen,
But they are being normalized. I mean, more and more,
you see liberals, I wouldn't even call them liberals anymore,
but progresses and leftists writing op eds about how the
First Amendment is getting in the way of stopping disinformation,

(22:34):
or how the electoral college is unfair, or how, you know,
why should Wyoming have two Senate seats in California too?
More and more it's normalized more and more. I think
we have younger people who are going through life without
any kind of civic education. They don't even understand the
case for the electoral college, things like that if you
look at polling. So I think that, yes, I don't

(22:55):
think it's going to happen right now, but I do
think it's being normalized. And a lot of stuff's going
on in our lives right now that twenty years ago
we never thought would happen. And I think these things
work incrementally until they become the norm for people, and
then it's trouble.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Is there any institution out there that you can think
of right now, David, that isn't under attack from the Democrats?
Is there anything out there that's safe? Not really?

Speaker 8 (23:19):
I mean in the Court right now is under attack
because it's the one institution in American life. I think
that's working properly to some extent, you know, And from
the Secret Service to all these huge bureaucracies we have
that are running our lives. They're all run by Democrats.
People don't trust a lot of them, Like, for instance,
right now, the few things that one of the few

(23:40):
things that government is supposed to do is help people
when there are natural disasters, and he can't even do that,
right But yet it does a million other things we
don't ask a bit. So I think I'm off the question.
You actually ask what I'm just ranting about.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, now, but you're actually right. It actually begs this
question for me. So so we have I think that
the the Senate looks good for Republicans, so I think
this whole talk of philibuster will magically disappear with them.
But you look at the missiles they are being flown
from Iran into Israel today. You look at this strike

(24:14):
of the long Shortman and the supply chain that's being
interrupted in real time. You look at the destruction of
every institution I know of a foundational institution of this country.
Do you believe that this race is actually statistically close?
Are people ready to vote? Do they think voting for
Harris is in their best interest? Or do they hate
Trump enough they would vote against their own best interest

(24:35):
based on the fear and the narrative of Donald Trump.
What's your feel? I mean, it's not a factual question,
it's a gut feel. What do you think is going
to happen in this election?

Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (24:44):
I hate to make predictions because I've been wrong. I
was right at twenty sixteen when I thought Trump would lose.
But this election does sort of remind me of that
one in the sense that I think that a lot
of people are probably looking at Donald Trump, don't love him,
and saying, can I both for this guy? Are things
bad enough? I mean, you know what I mean. I
don't like him, but maybe I can do it. You

(25:05):
know a lot of independence. I don't think you're changing
a lot of minds of any partisans. It's more about
who's going to go out and vote, And I don't know.
I mean, I think, yes, it will probably be close
because a lot of people do believe all the stuff
I would say many lies about Donald Trump, and listen,
I get why people might not like him, But I

(25:27):
just don't see anything that Democrats are doing right now
that shows any kind of competence, not on the economy
and certainly not on foreign policy. I can't think of
anything that is better now than it was pre COVID.
So I don't know how voters are going to react
to that, because a lot of it's just tribalism these days.
But right now, if I'm Donald Trump and I'm looking

(25:49):
at the numbers in the polling, they look better to
me than they did at the same time in twenty twenty, certainly,
but even twenty sixteen. So I would say the prospects
of probably looking decent.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
David Hart's joining us talking about the election and the government.
You know, it's crazy to think, Greg if you know,
this is why I think people are so afraid of
this election this year. If Kamala Harris' wins, we know
she's a figurehead. You know, she doesn't have any ideas
as to how to run this country. It is the

(26:20):
ex Obama officials or behind the scenes here. They're very
progressive and they really you know, remember what he said
when he ran back in two thousand and eight, open change.
He wants to change, and he will push his staff
and the people who are still working for him as
hard as they can for some hope and change. Agree
or disagree, I agree.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
And look, you know that this isn't Biden crafting the
US response to help Israel right now or not help enough,
whatever's going on right now. The president of the United
States is not involved. The vice presidential you know, and
candidate for president from the Democrat she is not involved
in any of this. And that is whoever is is
what you would get more of if she were to win.

(27:03):
It's just look, you've got a hurricane that the federal
government's on display, failing the people, with Elon Musk being
truly the only one that can bring communications systems to
this destroyed and destroyed area. You've got missiles from Iran,
largest ever being hurled at Israel in real time. You've
got you got thirty six ports across the eastern coast

(27:24):
that are closed today and in the Gulf. These will
have impacts. And I'm telling you this administration has no
answers for any of it. So I just don't know
how people say, sign me up for more of this. Yeah,
this is good, This is great.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
All right?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
More coming up with Rod and Greg on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine. Kate, and we've got a
follow up on a story we did yesterday. As a
matter of fact, we talk with an individual host involved
in this. We're talking about the decision by the Boise
State women's volleyball team to forfeit a game against San
Jose State University because that team had a tran gender.

(28:01):
They had a male on the team who claimed he
or she was a female. Boise State said, no, we
are not going to compete against this. They never came
out greg and specifically said that, but I mean, put
two and two together, you can bring it well, figure
out what went on. Right, And now you have a
member of the San Jose State University volleyball team who

(28:23):
is speaking out against the transgender athlete and as a
matter of fact, is going to court to challenge San
Jose States and their decision to move forward with this
individual on the volleyball team. Now E Ray sent us
the story just about a few moments ago. A second
school is now forfeiting its game or its match against
San Jose State. The University of Wyoming has come out

(28:45):
and said nope, Boise State's not going to participate. Neither
are we.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I gonna tell you something. I think we had something
to do with it, because look, Macy Petty, Concerned Women
for America was on this program yesterday. Now she's on Fox.
We were the clear springboard for that interview. And now
you're seeing, well Wyoming has seen it and they're they're
they're following along. They heard us, they heard what we said.
So that's you know, at that.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Point for us, we're more powerful than we think. Yeah,
it's just nice but I you know, how do you
stop this? Greg? Maybe more and more schools just have
to say we are not participating, we are not going
to be involved in this. And who suffers the girls
who are competing, first of all, the women who are competing,
and then the fans who want to support their teams,
yet they haven't got a game to go to go
to because the games are being four ful.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
We asked Macy yesterday, if they don't have a single
team to play, if everybody decided we're not playing this,
this situation would solve itself that fast. Yeah, And she
was worried. She didn't think other schools would do it.
But here a day later you're seeing at least Wyoming
is doing the same thing. And so that I think
that's the example that needs to be followed. And I

(29:53):
think that if you're waiting for the courts to make
their way through, you're going to see kids. You're going
to see young student athletes lose seasons over this. If
you if you have schools say we're not doing it,
Yeah we're done, then we're not gonna We're gonna forfeit
that game then move on in our season. That if
every team did that to that team that that would
solve that problem very quickly.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I think it would do. And speaking of Boise State,
that's a great story today, Greg, I love this story.
A coffee shop owner who was bullied off the Boise
State University campus for being pro police okay oh has
now won the horror of it all? Who has now
won a four million dollars award against the university.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
No one has to pay millions when they mistreat me.
I never get anyone. No one ever has to pay
me millions. I could mistreat it all the time.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Well. Sarah Finley, she's the owner of Big City Coffee,
was forced to leave Boise State University in twenty twenty
after she was harassed by students for displaying pro police
flag following the George Floyd riots. Right she was harassed
off campus. She sued the university, claiming her first right
for violated, and in early September, a jury awarded her

(31:04):
three million dollars in damages for business losses and another
one million dollars for punitive damages against Boise State University.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
I don't know if I don't know if state will
appeal it, but it should get their attention, pay attention. Yes,
good for Yeah, them doing that?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Good for her? All right, amazing story coming out of
David's County involving a young family and their interaction with
someone who shouldn't be here. We'll talk about it coming
up next stay with us, just to remind her a
little bit. Less than two hours from now, we'll have
the vice presidential debate. My guess is, Greg, that's probably

(31:43):
the last debate before we vote. Would you agree? Yeah,
And it's the vice presidential debate. We'll have to see
what happens. Usually a VP candidate tends to be the
pitbull for the maindidate, and we can see some interesting attacks.
They're they're so much out there on little Timmy walls
to attack that this would be fun to debate tonight.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Greg, It would be. I think it's fun political theater.
But I don't know that it moves an evil much
side in this race, and the vice president is not
going to move the nominee of either party, I don't think.
But it'll be fun to watch. I'm gonna still enjoy it.
I'm gonna watch it. Yeah, we'll have to see what happened.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
Well.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
As Greg and I reported last week, more than fifteen
thousand illegal immigrants with sexual assault convictions are roaming the US,
and now a new Republican back bill would force ICE
to track them down and deport them.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Imagine that.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Amen to that right, Well, there is a story that
is gaining some national attention now. It involves a family
in my hometown of Caydesville, which.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Used to be a great town.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well you're saying it's not a great town. I'm saying
because I'm from there. Now, that's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Since you, guys, since you told me you're from Kazil,
this story comes out. Well, so I don't know, I
don't know. I'm just you know, Well, take a conclusion,
logical conclusion.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
It involves a family of Luke and Aaron Taylor and
they're joining us on our Newsmaker Line to talk about
an encounter something that happened to their family last week.
And Luke and Aaron, it's great to have you on
the show. Thanks for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 9 (33:12):
Guys, hi Rod and Greg knows to do with you guys?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
All right, Luke, why don't you share with people who
may not have heard this story as of yet, exactly
what happened to your family.

Speaker 9 (33:25):
Yeah, So I occasionally travel for work, and I.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
Got a call.

Speaker 9 (33:32):
From my daughter seven in the morning, in the middle
of work, and there's just a distress tune in her voice,
and the only thing that she could say to me
for about the first thirty seconds was that I think
I'm going to die.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
And I'm trying.

Speaker 9 (33:50):
I'm trying to console her and understand what is going on.
And meanwhile I can hear my other kids me in
the background. And to make a relatively long story short,
while my two kids were downstairs getting ready for school
eating breakfast, a man hooded man wearing gloves, carrying a

(34:15):
bat over his shoulder, tried to break into our home.
Tried two of our side doors and then started wandering
around our property. And my daughter was right by the
door when he was trying to break in, and upon
realizing what was happening, she ran upstairs. She got my
got my wife, and my wife promptly through through the

(34:37):
kids in the in the most secure room in the
house and locked the door, and she got on the
phone with nine one one and grabbed the gun and
ran downstairs, and sure enough, there was a man trying
to break into the house, and she filmed the encounter
and was on the phone with nine on one, and
fortunately there was a great response by the CASA police team.
They got here in about about four or five minutes

(34:58):
and and they aprehended him as he was We have
a little detached garage just off of our house, and
apprehend him as he was coming out. So we didn't
end up getting in the house. Fortunately the doors were locked,
and but he did break into our garage and and
they arrested him as as she was exiting our garage.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
So look, this story has received national attention for specific reasons.
There's some details about this individual, an illegal immigrant of
Venezuelan illegal immigrant. And when you consider the time of
the morning you're getting this call, it's in the morning.
If you looked at crime stats, I don't think you'd
see seven am or in broad daylight as people are

(35:37):
getting ready for school or work, to be a time
where a home is invaded like this. So it's different.
It's a level of lawlessness and risk that I don't
think families confront, certainly not here in Utah. So thank
you for sharing this story, because I do think it's
different than the typical crime blodder or stories that you hear.
Let me ask you this, what is your takeaway that

(35:58):
you live in Caysville, you live in the state of Utah.
We have stories about lawlessness, and we have stories about
people that are coming across the border. But maybe share
with listeners, what what's your takeaway from something like having
a daughter. I almost get choked up hearing you'd say
that your daughters are afraid. Well, what's your takeaway with you?

Speaker 9 (36:22):
You know, I was shocked and and like you said,
Kazil really is a great town. It's it's you know,
primarily just residential. It is quiet. This is where both
my wife and I grew up, went to high school here,
and we moved back just a few years after living
in different places across the country, and we love it here.
It was true, truly a wake up called us to

(36:46):
me and my family, and I think a lot of
people now.

Speaker 7 (36:50):
That, like you said, if.

Speaker 9 (36:52):
This kind of thing can happen in the middle of
the day and can happen in a town like Kayesville, truly,
if people could understand what case it was, it can
it can happen anywhere. And so, you know, a big
takeaway for us, was you really do you feel protected
in the bubbles of safe cities and safe states and
and you get you get lulled into this feeling of

(37:17):
security and it is a safe area. But this, the
reality is, is that this kind of stuff happened. And
like you said, at at seven am in broad daylight,
you know, not not just the crime itself, but the
circumstances around the crime. I think show a lot about
what kind of problems were we are the reality that

(37:37):
we're facing.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Aaron. Aaron, what are your thoughts on this? I mean,
here you are, You're getting your kids ready to go
to school and early morning, you don't think anything's you know,
going to happen, and all of a sudden, your daughter panics,
she said, calls you know, her dad says, I think
I'm going to die. Dad. I mean generally, Aerin, as
you look back at this now, what are some of
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Well, it's just horrifying situation. It's the last last thing
I expected. I was out there, scarily enough, thirty minutes
before this happened, taking our new puppy potty. My thoughts
are right now, what if if I didn't lock that
back door. I can't even imagine my brain just goes

(38:20):
every which way. So yeah, it was a nightmare coming
to reality, and I'm just grateful it was played out.
Best case scenario.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, one of you and your husband and your family
learned about this individual. Do we know much about him?
What have you been told by police?

Speaker 7 (38:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (38:38):
So we at the time, he gave police a false
identity when they arrested him. When he was being processed
into the county jail and finger prints, they correctly identified
him as another individual.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
And when he was positively identified, we learned that in
several states that that that he was he was wanted
by ICE. I'm unsure unsure of you know, previous criminal activity,
but that that he had he had made his way
here from Venezuela, you know, sometime back in June and

(39:17):
then had just kind of.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
You know, lost track.

Speaker 9 (39:20):
They came up through California and you know a few
months later he was he was here in Utah. And
so how he got here and the circumstances of of that,
we don't know, but we do know that for the
police report when they were positively identified that that he was,
he was being searched for by ICE.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Aaron, how are your kids doing. How are they doing now?

Speaker 5 (39:41):
They're still they they're uneasy, everything is you know, everyone's
still a little on edge. It's still very fresh, still
sleeping on our floor at night. But every day we
kind of have these talks like, you know, we're here,
we're getting through this together.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
But it's it's.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Hard when you're safe haven doesn't feel like a safe
haven anymore. They feel violated, they feel you know, threatened.
So we're just hoping it was a one off situation
as far as this is concerned for us.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Well, Luke and Aaron, you're you're it's such an important story.
So this is a people in Utah. We're hearing stories
about Aurora, Colorado. We're hearing stories from Springfield, Ohio. We're
hearing a lot of things nationally. It gets pulled into
the presidential elections and election season. But you're what's your
message to Utah's right now in terms of how we

(40:37):
should be taking precautions the world we live in. Uh,
maybe some of the dangers that are out there that
before your story was told, I probably didn't appreciate, uh
was going on? What's your message to listeners?

Speaker 11 (40:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (40:49):
Yeah, you know, when we when we posted this, we
We had no idea that this was not like no
intention of you know, going viral and gaining the national
attention that it did. It was just a a lot
of our friends and family, you know, we wanted to
make them aware.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
We live in a community.

Speaker 9 (41:04):
Where a lot of our best friends and family are
within are within two miles of us, and so we
just wanted to make everybody aware and not you know,
social media has become the easiest way to do that.
And then it just started to gain traction. And I
think one thing that's really stood out to me is
is as it as it started to gain both local
and national traction, is how many people that I both

(41:26):
knew and I didn't know that reached out to me
and shared similar stories something that had either happened to
them or something that had happened to a friend or
a family member. And it was that that to me
was very eye opening that again, these these kinds of things,
we maybe don't pay as much attention to them until

(41:47):
they hit close to home. And that's unfortunate, but it's
the reality. And so you know, speaking from experience, you know,
these things do happen. They happen here, you know, they happen.
They happen everywhere, and our story just happened to circulate.
But I think there's a lot of stories that people
have either not shared or they shared, and maybe it

(42:08):
didn't gain the attention. But but I'm here to say
that it's it's happening, and it is. It is much
more of a problem than even I realized before.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
All of this.

Speaker 9 (42:19):
Happened in both small and large cities alike, and so
I it's a The message that I would share is
that there is a problem and and something does need
to be done about it because the safety of both
ourselves and our families and the future, especially for our children.

(42:40):
As I think, I think we've seen this become a
excuse me, a rapidly worsening problem that you know, you know,
not only for you know, my immediate family's welfare, but
for my kids and you know future. If we don't,
if we don't get some resolution or heading in the
positive direction, then I don't know, I don't know what

(43:01):
the teacher looks like.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Aaron, final question for you and Luke, what would your
message be erin what would you say to people out
there having been through something like this?

Speaker 7 (43:09):
Now?

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Oh, honestly, just wake up like it's all over. I
don't think people want to acknowledge that what they're seeing,
and I don't think a lot of people want to
get involved in politics. But again, like Luke said, when
it's knocking at your door, your tune will change a

(43:33):
little bit. So just be aware, keep your eyes open,
and you know, do.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
What you can.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Get involved. Luke and Aaron will appreciate your time. We're
glad you and your family are safe, and we appreciate
your time and sharing the story. Hopefully out you know,
people out there listening today understand what you're saying, and
we'll take the action that is needed to protect their
family and their communities. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 9 (43:55):
Thanks, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
All rank you. That is Luke and Aaron Taylor. They
live in Case. Really had an unbelievable experience with an
illegal alien man who shouldn't be in this country to
begin with, who tried to attack their family. That's frightening,
and I thank you. And I live in Keith. It
is a quiet small town and let me tell you
what half something like this happened there is frightening.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Well, I thank him for coming on there. I don't
know reliving that is a very comfortable thing to do,
and with those they're young ones having to go through this.
But I think they provide a service. I think people
listening to this show and hearing this story firsthand really
brings it home as it needs to be. We really
do need to understand this is happening in real time.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
So and like that, and like both of them said, America,
wake up, Yes it's going on in this country. Get
involved and get something done about this. Make our community safe.
All right. More coming up with Rod and Gregg right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one all five nine kN rs.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
The vps on the ticket. They're there to rumble. There
should be some fur flying in this debate.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I hope, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I mean that's what they're for. They're for our inner tament.
So and there.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Is so much material on little Timmy Walls talking about
to that. My guess is it probably won't come up
during the day.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
What I love is that you can just just just
you could spend most of your debates just forcing him
to answer a specific question, of which he won't do
because he can't really get out in front of Kamala
on anything. So if she can't answer it, he can't
buy instruction probably answer it, and his answers would be
lousy anyway, So you could just show that there they
have nothing to say, yeah, other than vague, you know,

(45:31):
accusations against Trump.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, you know. I want to go back to the
fact that we just talked to Luke and Aaron Taylor,
that Cageville couple whose family was basically attacked by an
illegal I wonder, you know, and we as you brought
up Greg. You hear about Colorado, you hear about Ohio.
You know, you hear about what's going on with the
Venza Whalen Games. We'll talk more about that here in
a little bit and a little bit, But how many

(45:54):
incidents like this are happening all around the country that
are not getting the right cognition or the you know,
for lack of a better term, publicity, But people are experiencing.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Well check it out. So so a listener just during
the break sent this that a homeless person was on
the porch. They called the police to have them the
homeless person removed from the porch. By the way, this
person had moved from Rose Park, where the crime was bad,
to a place where it was supposed to be a
good neighborhood. That person returned with a gun and walked
them into their home, took their keys to their car,

(46:28):
took the car and stole it. And this is near
a campus of a college. And so they don't know
whether this person was here legally or illegally. But the
brazenness of this type of criminal behavior is not anything
I'm aware of happening so casually. And this is again,
this is a just feedback from this interview. Someone sharing,

(46:49):
like like Luke said, he's heard from people that have
had similar experiences, which he wasn't expecting. Our listeners have
experienced some pretty scary things as well.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
My question is, great, are the politicians not hearing these
stories or doing anything about it? I'm going to tell you,
do they just ignore this? I mean, what is going
on here? I mean, if you're if you're if you're
a state lawmaker right now and you just heard Luke
and Aaron's story, when you want to reach out to them,
they tell us your story, we can get a better
understanding and then try and get something done about this. Yes,

(47:22):
or is it so out of control now we're just
throwing up our arms, all right?

Speaker 7 (47:26):
Rod?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
When I left the legislature. We did not. I'm going
to tell you that law and order, public safety was
an inherent priority without regard to party, and it did
not divide onlines of party. It wasn't Republicans versus Democrats.
In just a short number of years, the anti public
safety bills that started coming into the legislature after I'd
left are in the hundreds, literally in the hundreds going

(47:49):
after law enforcement. And it has done, It's had an impact.
It is it has created early retirements. It's it's people
don't want to enter the profession. You don't see an
emerging There used to be a police academy of post
academy and then satellite academies around the state of young
people looking to enter into this profession law enforce. They
have one academy now and they're lucky to fill it.

(48:11):
And that's because there has been a change, a shift
in attitude towards public safety and law enforcement, a negative one.
And I think that lawmakers and public servants they've got
to do their level best to change that because what
we're hearing it's not sustainable. And if it's happening here,
you know it's happening everywhere.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, it is all right, more coming up, Rod and
Greg with you on this Tuesday right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine knrs. We were talking
to you just a short time ago. I hope you
caught a portion of this interview with this Ksville couple
whose life was turned upside down by somebody who shouldn't
be in.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
This refugee ye robbing the breaking their house in the
middle of the morning.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Middle of the morning for crying out loud. Well, what
is going on around the country with this really once
obscured South American gang is amazing. I mean they've taken
over I mean they've taken over hotels for crying out
loud in New York City. It's absolutely amazing. And joining
us on our news maker line to talk about it
right now is Keith Hansen. Keith is the CEO of

(49:13):
qu X Technology, a veteran law enforcement expert. Keith, thanks
for joining us tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show.
Let me ask you, Keith, for people who aren't paying
attention to this, what is this venzo whiling gang that
is raaking havoc and causing real issues and scaring to
daylight that a lot of people tell us about this
gang and what what you see them doing right now?

Speaker 6 (49:35):
Keith, Oh, well, it's it's not a gang. It's just
a group of misunderstood migrants for a better life duties
as the enforcement arm of the Democrat Party.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, you know, it's no.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
I got to be sarcastic about it because it's it's
really the only way that I can not use expletives.

Speaker 7 (49:57):
I agree in the analysis it.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Is, you know what, it's exactly what happens when you
have no border policy at all, when you allow people, unvetted,
unchecked to pour into this country in record numbers from
countries Central and South American countries that want to purge
their prisons and get rid of their criminal burdens and

(50:21):
then ship them to the.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
Good old Jewels.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
And that's exactly what's happening here. So you know, unfortunately,
America is about to see exactly what happens when a
Democrats' immigration plan becomes manifest We're seeing it right now.
So this is one of many, I mean many, many
Central and South American gangs that are operating in this country,
and unfortunately they are becoming more and more empowered. I'm

(50:49):
not going to say that they're more and more violent
because we understand that they're violent, but becoming more and
more empowered because well, you don't have law enforcement that's
actually in forcing the laws. So you have, you know,
these these cities that are hadn't have been run by
Democrats for decades, that are subject to defund the police

(51:11):
and disband the police, and we have to take a
fuzzy pink bunny approach to law enforcement. And when you
get somebody who's a homicidal criminal gang member, well we
have to sit around and have a feeling circle, we
have to engage in restorative justice programs and all of
this nonsense. And this is exactly what you get. This
is the culmination of all of these policies that the
progressives love to put forth. And I got to be

(51:33):
honest with you, I would really like to see these
gangs really start to go into some of these elite
Democrat progressive enclaves and let them get a taste of
what their immigration policies and what they have supported actually
feels like.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Well, Martha's Vineyard proved, they got that down to like
seven days. They can get them in and out, do
a couple photo ops and get them moved a law
but Keith, I appreciate your perspective and your expertise and space,
and I'll tell you why. Here in Utah, we have
a suburb in the Salt Lake County area of our
largest county in the state. It's a city called Harriman.
It's got sixty thousand residents, and just recently, within the

(52:11):
last year or two, six thousand Venezuelan refugees reside in
a specific area of apartment complexes. And we have had
callers call and we had a caller today call from
a different area of Utah where they are victims of
the crimes being committed by these individuals. And it spans
other issues too. You're beyond public safety. But what would

(52:33):
you say to Utah's listening to the program right now
if they have such a high concentration of refugees from
Venezuela and we don't know anything about them. This is
all coming at us in real time. But we're seeing
We had a caller say that the police are there
every single night at this apartment complex. We're seeing, we're
hearing stories of crimes, other things are happening. What would
you say to our listeners about what they should be

(52:53):
preparing for and what to do within this circumstance because
we're not used to this.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Well, the first thing that I would recommend, I'm and
there is absolutely no humor in what I'm about to say.
I'm being one hundred and ten percent serious. The first
thing that you do is you understand what your respective
states use of force laws are, both deadly force and
non deadly force. And then you buy a firearm, not

(53:21):
just one, you buy two or three, a good rifle
and a good handgun and a shotgun as well, to
go for the trifecta and have all three get proper training.
And I'm not talking about going your local NRA guy
or USCCA guy who teaches gun safety and tells everybody
that they're a squat instructor. I'm talking about people who
are actually skilled in combative shooting and defensive shooting, that

(53:45):
have a vetible resume. And you take those classes and
you learn how to use that firearm, and you learn
the laws, and you understand what you can and cannot do,
and when you are facing a threat of a lawful aggressive,
deadly force, you shoot your attacker dead. Yes, that is

(54:08):
the only thing that a criminal, that a bully, that
a thug that a tyrant understands and respects, and that
is sheer brute force. They will not appreciate or respect
your please, your cries, your begs for mercy, your appeals

(54:29):
to their higher senses of ethics and conviction, because they
don't have any. We're talking about mentally defective criminal predators.
And there's only one thing you do with criminals and
bullies and thugs and tyrants or evil. We don't negotiate
with evil. We don't capitulate with evil. We don't bargain

(54:51):
with evil. We destroy it. And if you think that
the law enforcement agencies in your city or or county
are there to keep you safe, then I would suggest
that you look up the Supreme Court precedence that has
established conclusively that law enforcement has no legal obligation to

(55:13):
protect you or keep you safe. That is solely and
squarely on you, as the individual. Recognize that the Supreme
Court has already said police do not have an obligation
to protect you, Understand where the obligation rests, and prepare
yourself with the training and the tools and the determination

(55:34):
and the moral conviction to do what you have to do.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Keith interesting very I really do appreciate your insight into
all of this.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
Keith.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Thank you. I hope to have you back on again.
Thank you, Keith straight Talk.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
We appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
All right. That is Keith Hanson. Keith is the CEO
of Qux Technology, also a veteran law enforcement expert. Schep
straight with folks, take care of yourself. Yeah, all right,
we're coming up.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I would have loved to call the cops to be
at laced at least one of the things you could do.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
On the show here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Canna Well joining us. Now we've opened up
the phones on this. If you'd like to comment on that.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. Let's
go to Matt in Camus, who has a thought or
two about this. Matt, thank you very much for waiting.
What are your thoughts on this? Matt?

Speaker 12 (56:25):
So, my thoughts on this are you know this this
is a growing problem in our state. We have a
lot of these people coming into our state by the
tens of thousands, most likely, no one knows the exact number.
And there is a certain individual in our state by
the name of Cops that is facilitating this and welcoming

(56:46):
these people in with open arms. I mean, if we
want to stop this from happening, we've got to get
these people in power out and replace them with people
that are going to do something about it. It's only
going to get worse if he gets back in office.
I mean, who knows what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
How do you want to get in and many Madam?
I've got to ask you one question though, how do
you see him facilitating this to allow people to come
into this state? How is he doing that?

Speaker 11 (57:16):
So?

Speaker 12 (57:17):
So there's people that fly into our airport every like.
I don't know how often, but I've had friends that
have been out there transporting people at night, and they
have video footage of them loading up buses, these white
buses and bussing them into into our state. Where they go,
we don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
And that's at the airport.

Speaker 12 (57:38):
We have Catholic, yes, our airport family services or Catholic
Catholic community services that are are known to help get
these people into our state. I mean, these are these
people are getting our taxpayer money.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, all right, Matt, I have you heard that?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
So Map brings up a really every everything he's heard
I've heard as well, the part about the governor is
this though, and this is where it gets where it's
more subjective than objective. Is so he's he's seems to
be very close to the governor of Colorado. Governor paulis
a lot. We know for fact that they have they
have brought over these NGOs and maybe even the government.

(58:18):
They've brought over a ton of people from Colorado into
our state. Question being how much of that has Governor
Paulus shared with with Governor Cox? How much has Governor
Cox used his weight to prohibit and stop Colorado or
it's NGOs from doing it. We you know, people have
their opinions, but I don't know that there's any smoking
gun that he's actually personally facilitating it. But you've got

(58:39):
to ask what's going on around it?

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Are all right? When we come back, we'll talk about
the dock workers strike. How is it going to impact
you and your family and the holiday gift buying season
that's coming up. Stay with us, But then we've got
this strike taking place. Yea's right in the United States,
which is what's kind of a big deal.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Just when you thought that COVID taught us that this
real time inventory and this you know, and you know,
having your whole supply chain dependent upon foreign countries didn't
really work out well back then. You thought you would
have thought that we had learned our lesson, but it
turns out we haven't. Because there's some dock workers in
unions that think that they got it, they got the

(59:20):
upper hand because apparently we can't function as a country
without the boats coming.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
In, and they're they're kind of right.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Well it ticks me off. Yeah, but this this, this,
I'd like to play the clip before we go to
our interview if we have time, and that this is
of the union boss that says, folks, you don't even
know pain, We're gonna show it to you. Yeah, if
we don't go back to work. And this is how
dependent globalism we've become as a nation where we aren't creating,

(59:48):
we aren't building our own cars, we don't have our
own lumber yards, we don't have our own materials. We
are solely dependent on those those ports to bring things
in for us. I just think that listen to this guy,
and you'll want to America first. You're gonna you're gonna
want all these industries right here in the United States,
and by the way and a right to work state.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
His name, by the way is Harold Daggett. He is
president of the International Long Shortsman Association, which you know
handles everything up and down the East Coast down into Houston,
which by the way, is one of the biggest ports
in the country. Listen to what he had to say
when he talked about this strike and what it could mean.

Speaker 13 (01:00:27):
First week be all over the news every nine boom boom.
Second week, guys who sell costs can't sell costs because
the cause ain't coming in off the ships. They get
laid off. Third week, malls closing down. They can't get
the goods from China, they can't sell clothes. They can't

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do this. Everything in the United States comes on a ship.
They go out of business. Construction workers get laid off
because the materials aren't coming in. The steel is not
coming in, the lumber's not coming in. They lose their job.
Everybody's hating the long showman now because now they realize

(01:01:08):
how important our jobs are. Now I have the President
screaming at me. I'm putting a taff hearty on you
go ahead, taf Holly means I have to go back
to work for ninety days after cool you off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Period?

Speaker 13 (01:01:21):
Do you think when I go back for ninety days,
those men are going to go to work on that pier.
It's going to cost the money, the company's money to
pay their salaries. Well, they go one from thirty moves
an now and maybe to eight, they're gonna be like this,
who's going to win here in the long run. You're
better off sitting down and let's get a contract.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
And let's move on with this world.

Speaker 13 (01:01:42):
And could today's world, I'll cripple you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I will cripple you. And you have no idea what
that means. Wow, what a threat that is, greg And
this's the president of the union. And as a matter
of fact, that video or that is all over social
media today and I want to read you what someone posted.
They said with this video, Harold Daggett has done more
damage to unions than Jimmy Hoffa. I agree, you know,

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threatening fellow Americans with losing their jobs if his guys
don't get a seventy seven percent raise while Americans try
to keep up with inflation and dealing with the high
cost of living.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I mean, just the tone of I'll cripple you. I
mean it's just I don't think it's fine. Yeah, yeah, Okay,
we have our guests. So a friend of mine, a
guy I admire a whole lot, knows everything there is
to know about port's imports exports. Used to run the
LA Port. Was actually the founding executive director of our
Utah and Limport Authority. Now as a vice president of

(01:02:45):
a commercial and external affairs for a large shipping company
and maritime services out of San Francisco Bay Area. Jack
Hedge joining us on the Rotting Greg Show. Jack, thank
you for joining us.

Speaker 14 (01:02:58):
Well, thanks guys, thanks me on.

Speaker 11 (01:03:00):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
So you've dealt with unions, You've dealt with all this.
This is all very very familiar ground for you. But
please help our listeners understand when we see thirty six
ports along the West East coast, we see all those
ports and along the Gulf shutting down. Today, we do
have the West coast ports that are open. It's not
the same union. What does that mean for Utahn's this closure.

Speaker 11 (01:03:25):
Well, you know that's a good question, Greg, because it
is it will have an impact, It will ripple through
even though you know Utah's you know, way out here
on the western edge of things. It's going to ripple
through and it's going to have an impact on UTAH.
I think in the short run, I think if this
only goes for a couple of days, it won't it
really probably won't affect us that much. A lot of

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companies have spent the last few months, you know, afraid
that this was going to happen, and building up their
stocks of inventory. But the guys who will get hurt
first if this goes more than say a week or two,
are going to be like the small and medium size
as manufacturing companies whose parts, who supplies that are coming in,

(01:04:05):
they can't carry that much inventory. Those are the guys
are going to get hurt first. So the longer this
drags out, the more likely are to see it rippled
through the economy. But the guys who are on the
bleeding edge of this who might get hurt first, of
those small and medium sized manufacturing companies.

Speaker 7 (01:04:19):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I heard someone say today as they were talking about this,
that one day on strike means about five days to recover.
So the longer this goes, how long does it take
to recover? I mean, is it is it an extended
period of time?

Speaker 9 (01:04:34):
Jack?

Speaker 11 (01:04:36):
It could take an extended period of time. I think
what they really mean by that is that you have
to work through that backlog of vessels that are sitting
offshore or our cargo that is stacked up on the dock, right,
you have to work through that backlog. That's what takes
some time to work through, and it does kind of
slow down to flow in the fluidity of the marine terminal.

(01:04:57):
To get that going. Economically, it bounced back fairly quickly
in terms of the broader economy. But yeah, that it's
going to take a lot of work through whatever backlog
gets stacked up.

Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
There on the dock. Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
This is your this is what you do every day, imports, exports.
You're you're into logistics.

Speaker 7 (01:05:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
The one thing when we were when we knew each other,
when you were coming to Utah and we were looking
at the inland port, we we had this vision of
logistics where we were moving containers, uh, seeing more efficiency,
less time spent. But one of the things we talked
about we learned after COVID was this real time inventory
was very vulnerable to this type of stoppage and it
had its a terrible economic impact. Do you know why

(01:05:40):
being in the industry, why in the world. Have we
not learned from the lessons of COVID and the supply
chain being that vulnerable. Why are we four years later,
three years later in the same kind of the same
mess where we're seeing the supply chain shut down.

Speaker 11 (01:05:54):
Why, oh, Greg, you've heard me talk about this one
hundred times.

Speaker 15 (01:05:59):
It is you know, we we we have these long
and you've heard me say this, these very long, very
fragile supply chains, and it touches every aspect of our
economy and our logistics network is is really set up
to handle that that that just in time.

Speaker 11 (01:06:16):
Delivery system, but it's very vulnerable. And you know, logistics
is the lifeblood of our economy.

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
You've heard me.

Speaker 11 (01:06:23):
Say that either time, we we have got to we
have got to move away from this uh, these long
try to supply chains and and become more get more
control over our own economic destiny, everything everything, Guys that
we're wearing right now that we're sitting on that you
know that whatever probably came in a box from from

(01:06:45):
from somewhere overseas, that is a lot of exposure and
a lot of vulnerability too. And we go through these
cycles every few years, right, and we're going through this
now with the East Coast strike three or four years ago,
we're going through it with the pandemic. Three or four
years before that, we were going through it with a bankruptcy.
And then you have wars, and then you have drafts,
and you have all this stuff, and we just never

(01:07:08):
seem to get out of it. And I think what
I would hope that what we would come to at
some point is some leadership somewhere that would say we
need a national trade policy, we need a national logistics
policy that sort of starts to take a look at
this and helps us bring this manufacturing capacity and brings

(01:07:30):
these jobs back to the US.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Jack, I understand we haven't had a dock workers strike
like this since I think it was about nineteen seventy seven.
Is a figure I heard sometime today. Were you surprised
that I got to this point that they walked off
the job last night?

Speaker 14 (01:07:46):
You know, I really kind of was.

Speaker 11 (01:07:48):
You know, we have had we've had actions on the
docks on the West coast since nineteen seventy seven, but
we haven't had one on the East coast since then.
And I thought, I was, I guess that when the
Isle WU, which is the West coast long short union
and the shippers came to an agreement, you know, a

(01:08:09):
year or so ago, and a new long term agreement
and avoided a strike and avoided a slow down and
everything else. That that boded very well for the East
Coast contract. And so I'm a little surprised that it
got to this point and blew up the way it has.

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
Is this union.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I don't know if you've heard the comments of this
union leader, but he ends with I'll cripple you talking
to the Americans and how he's stopping the supply chain
for all of this economy. It's a very aggressive statement
that's gotten gone viral, has to have. I don't know
if you're in a position but to say, but do
you think they've overplayed their hand in the strike and
with some of that narrative that's going on.

Speaker 11 (01:08:51):
Oh, I think that's posturing for negotiation purposes, you know,
I really do.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
I think it's it's.

Speaker 11 (01:08:59):
It's just posted. It's just you know, to get trying
to get the other side back to the negotiating table.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Well, Jack, hey, I know you're a very very busy man.
We miss you here in Utah. Good to hear from you.
Thank you for all you do, and thank you for
giving us little insight on exports, imports and this uh,
this strike, it's a it's a big deal. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
Yeah, yeah, you bet all right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
That is Jack Hedge. He is vice president of Commercial
and External Affairs for the Posher Group. Of course, former
executive director of the Utah Inland Port Authority. You know, Greg,
you I don't know. You look at this, and they
are very important to the United States. But the amount
of money that they make, they make a lot of money. Yeah,

(01:09:44):
these long shoremen, they have benefits, like from what I've
read in the past, free healthcare, free tuition for their
children to go to school, you know, to further their education.
You know, I think what and and you're right, it's posturing.
But what this guy said today for the millions of
Americans who are out there struggling, and he says, I'm

(01:10:06):
going to cripple you, I'm sorry. That does not sit well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
That was posturing to the wrong people. Sure, what I'm
going to tell you, you want to play gumba and
antonio soprano, go do it with someone else, because American
people don't want to hear any of that. Right, And
then Hoffa didn't do as much damage as him. I
think that quote is correct. By the way, pay attention
to the guy that spent has a maritime has a
you know, terminal, and spends all his time on imports. Exports.
Just told our audience we got to do more manufacturing

(01:10:31):
in this country right here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, you've been talking about that all day today. All right,
more coming up right here on the Rod and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk. Rady oh one oh five nine
can arrest case some point right. I shared with you
earlier I comment about I think it was Joy Reid
on MSNBC today talking about Donald Trump and if he's
elected president of the United States, and she came in
and said, if he's elected, he's going to kill black people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, it's just you can say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
There's no kill black people if he is elected. That's
what Joy Reid said on MSNBC Today. And nobody challenges
are on this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah, well, no one chance challenges any of them on
any of it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:11):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Robert Reisch I talked about him before. He concludes in
his article here that I was referencing that if you
don't vote for Kamala Harris, you hate women, okay, and
you hate black people. And that's the only two reasons
why you would not vote for him and you would
instead opt to vote for Trump is that you suffer
from the worst moral failings he can describe. So there's

(01:11:32):
no space, there's no space for disagreeing, there's no space
for different opinions. It's their way, and then they just
create these false narrors like I got to somehow walk
my way out of not being a racist or a misogynist.
I have to walk out my way out of not
wanting to kill people of color. But even as they
lose there we did the article or the clip yesterday

(01:11:53):
that or no, we didn't do a clip. I had
this clip article the lowest percentage of the Hispanic vote
for a Democrat presidential nominee since they've been counting, it's
been always higher. It's way lower. Now, why is that?
They want to be white?

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Yeah? You know they wait, Well, this what the NPR
radio host said, Okay about this. She accused Hispanics who
support Donald Trump of wanting to be white.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
See, you can't be Hispanic support Trump or else there's something.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Wrong with you.

Speaker 7 (01:12:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah. Her name is Maria Honosa. She works for NPR.
Right she's a commentator on NPR, and she basically went
after Latinos for supporting the former president. They don't want
to be identified with all those other immigrants, she says,
why is the Democratic share of Latino vote shrinking? Latinos

(01:12:45):
want to be white, They want to be with the
cool kids.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
It's a total lie. It's disparaging, it's condescending. They people
that have come to this country legally and can vote,
honored the rule of law, and they and they, and
to see it so disgraced and ignored and cartels running
the show, they're disgusted by it. Appropriately.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Yeah. Yeah. She went on to say that some Latinos
cited Trump's business background to explain their support, and she
tried to knock that down by citing the history of
bankruptcies within the Hispanic community.

Speaker 9 (01:13:23):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I thought you were gonna say his bankruptcy so the
Hispanic Oh yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
You believe that?

Speaker 11 (01:13:30):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
We haven't talked to our listeners today, so we want
to open up the phones, see what's on your mind today.
We've talked about what's going on in the Middle East,
the dock workers strike, the debate tonight, we have that
conversation with that family in Caysville and what they've gone through.
So we just want to open up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
The carnish from a hurricane, still trying to recover, from.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Trying to recover from so much going on. Let's go
to the phone. Let's go to Richard, who's in Twilla
tonight on the Roden Greg Show. Hi, Richard, how are you?

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
Hello? Thank you for taking my You are welcome. Okay.
This is the reason that called is because of the
immigration thing. Then I heard all the dock workers strike. Crap,
But no, the immigration thing, what is it? They they

(01:14:24):
ten to seventeen million.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
People illegally crossing the board.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
They're allowed to happen. They allowed an army to move in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's very true, Richard. They have allowed an army,
isn't it? Ten to twenty million people? Pretty amazing? All right,
what are your clone calls? We'll take the last half
hour and talk to you tonight eight eight eights five
seven eight zero one zero triple eight five seven eight
zero one zero, or on your cell phone dial pound
two fifteen and say hey, Ron, we can talk about
the debate, we can talk about the dock workers strike.

(01:14:58):
There are a lot of talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I ran firing on Israel or the or the hurricane
cleanup that you know they're asking Elon to help them
out with after you know, treating them the way they have.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero.
You know a lot of people say it really doesn't
make a difference, But if you get to the situation
that we saw this year, Greg with Joe Biden and
his cognitive ability, it's failing. It seemed almost daily that
position of vice president becomes a little more important. Wouldn't

(01:15:29):
you think it is?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
I don't know that people connect those dots, but it
certainly is. It's an obviously an important role. I think
even just but as you're saying that though, that there
might be a downside. I mean if there I if
walls or vans were to just absolutely bomb, like just
go blank, like just just have a brain cramp and
can't answer, can't even put a sentence out, that could
have maybe a detrimental impact. I just don't see any upside.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Yeah, but just sure it could.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
All that said, we I do miss our callers, I
do miss the the observation. So let's get to the
phones and let's go to Rob and river Rob, thank
you for holding and thank you for joining the Ron
and Greg show. What do you have to say on
this tumultuous Tuesday?

Speaker 14 (01:16:08):
Absolutely, Rod and Greg, thank you for taking my call.
It's tumultuous Tuesday. Everything seems to be happening. We're watching
all these pieces of news and just learning about the
Caysville incident. We had a murder recently here in Riverton
mid August, and so it's really kind of woken our
community up that we really need to talk to each

(01:16:29):
other more. You know, everybody's closed off to their phones.
We need to communicate more, get to know our neighbors,
have take the time to just go out and visit
with them, have a picnic, to do those things. But
the reality is nine to one one is for cleanup
and you're gonna have to respond to something immediately. That's
really the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, how are you How do you notice your your
neighbors are communicating more? Rob, what do you see being
done there?

Speaker 14 (01:16:57):
Honestly, it's great. I've seen a few folks step up
to lead, like a couple of organized events where you
know they'll open up the clubhouse, to neighbors just to
you know, and buye them, bring some pizza, bring some food,
play some games. And honestly, that's been a great thing.
I think they've done it twice. There's another one coming
up for the Halloween festival.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Oh okay, Rob's right. So the nine one one is
to play clean up. That goes with our guest that
we had on earlier in the second hour that said
that it's what to do. You're up. You have to
defend yourself, you know, research your use of force laws
in your state, because it really is up to you.
And that's what I think Rob was just the point
he was making.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Too well, and pay attention to what's going on around you, Greg.
So many people look around. They don't want to get involved,
they don't want to do anything, you know, an easy
phone call to nine one one, say hey, I see
a suspicious activity or individual here. I'm a little concerned
about it. Make police aware of it. Police will respond,
I mean, they will show up. You're right, Greg, just
get you know, keep your eyes open.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Yeah, it is true. And again there's not a whole
lot we can do. When we see the percent the
volume of new refugees or whatever the program is whatever
NGO comes and decides to settle into some smaller community.
No one saw it coming, nobody had, no school is
ready for it. No no one's government budget accounted for it.
And it costs, and it is hitting us everywhere. It

(01:18:22):
displaces housing for people that in a tough housing market,
side jobs and jobs that you would want to have
to help make ends meet, or there's less of because
of this. This is all happening to us. This isn't
These aren't there are luxury issues that I see the
left loves to delve into. We're talking real issues, issues
that are impacting our lives right now that that's not

(01:18:44):
unique to other states. We're talking about it here in Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Well, yeah, things are changing in this world. Things are
changing in this country. People are moving into this country
now that we haven't experienced for a long time, and
it makes people uncomfortable. Would you agree? Disagree?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
If you see certain people walking down a street, people
are gonna be a little uncomfortable with that. How do
they deal with that? I mean, because it does in
many cases, not in many cases, but in some cases
it frightens people. They don't understand it and they're a
little nervous about it? What do they do about it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I honestly think Rod Rod that the percentage is what
the volume. So it's ten percent of Harriman's pop total
population landing within a small period of time into an
apartment company. That is what is disrupting your schools and
your and your all of your safety social safety nets.
That is the part that makes it really hard on

(01:19:40):
a These are immigrants or refugees that weren't allowed at
all during the Trump administration, So it's not like it
was at some pace when he was president and then
it was stepped up under the Biden Harris administration. They
have created something that didn't exist prior, and we're feeling that.
And I'll tell you what, three and a half years
of it, or almost four years of it, it's amazing

(01:20:01):
how much has happened there that it has really reached
our very front doors. It's in Kaysville, where you live,
it's in it's in Herreman, which is just west of
where I live.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this great the Harriman situation,
which I think you know more about certainly than I do,
was that community given a heads up? None people were
people in that community said hey, this is happening, this
is coming your way. We just want to make you
aware of it instead of just one day they show up.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
It's all after the fact, really, and and and is
that is that what leads to fear? Of course, But
actually no, at first there's naivete. Now there wouldn't be.
Now we've have some narrative. Now we kind of understand
what's happening to us. Now if you go back a
year and and I and you speak with the mayor
and the city council of Harriman. They wanted to be
good citizens. They wanted to be welcoming, They wanted to

(01:20:49):
try and be open minded. They did not want to
be fearful. They did not want to fall into any
kind of discriminatory uh you know category. And every there's
and and I've heard this statement. Were trying our best
with the people that are here, to do the best
we can. We can't take a single other person. But
what happens is the word gets out and more people
are coming, and more people are coming, So everybody is

(01:21:12):
dealing with this after the fact. Nobody knows what's happening
ahead of time. Yeah, and it's all ripple effect after.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
That, all right, im frud heights, Ted listening to Rod
and Greg tonight, wants to weigh in on all of this. Ted,
how are you thanks for joining the show.

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
Good, thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:21:27):
I just wondered if maybe we could get you and
Rod to be our iceneers do some follow up in
the court process on this particular case and make sure
that this individual isn't released into they get back into
the community and have the same mistakes made that we're
going through on this incident. The other thing is bail

(01:21:51):
reform was a mistake. You need to call your legislator
and telling if they voted for it, and my district's
seventeen legs voted for it twice. Bail reform is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Wrong, all right, all right, Absolutely, that is catch and release, folks.
That's what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Teddy's referring to the situation in Cavesville. What has happened
to the person was arrested there. We don't know. We
can check into that, but the bail reform is an
issue too. Great yep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
After I left, by the way, after I left, after
I left, and something we would have never done on
my watch, I swear it. But yeah, but literally, the
catch and release is alive and well in the state
of Utah, and you wouldn't think it is. But one
hundred percent is even that the Aaron Low, the U
of you football player that was killed, person that did
that was a refugee here should have been deported long ago.

(01:22:41):
And it was catch and release and catch and release
and catch and release, and that person was free and
killed that University Utah football.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Should have never happened. All right, more coming up some
final thoughts here on this Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Are you are you stressed at all about this debate? No,
I was watching the last presidential debate. You're not like
I watched this for you. Yeah, well, let's do it. Sure,
I'll let's do it on the way home tonight. Get
home and pay attention to a little bit. Be interesting
to see how CBS protects, said Timmy Walls. I plan
to be frustrated, but I think that for some reason,
I'm always worried about you know, Trump. He can do

(01:23:15):
so well, but then he can he can get you know, distracted, orbated.
I don't have any of that fear right now. I
think that Vance is going to do as good as
he possibly can, and as good as CBS will allow him. Yeah,
but I'll be interested to watch it because if CBS
wants to act like ABC, we want to talk about
that too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah. Yeah, I have another example of Trump derangement syndrome. Okay,
all right. This was a MSNBC panelist. He also happens
to be a Princeton University professor by the name of
Eddie Cloud. Apparently I've never seen this happen. He needed
a minute after he made his remarks to cool off

(01:23:54):
because he got so wound up about his opposition to
Donald Trump and what he thinks Donald Trump is going
to do this country. You've got to listen to this
sound by because he just he just needed a cooling
off period. He's dangerous.

Speaker 17 (01:24:09):
He's dangerous to particular people, and the history of the
country is such that we can't play fast and loosed
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Fast and loose.

Speaker 17 (01:24:20):
Isn't it incumbent on all of us to protect the
people who are endangered by him?

Speaker 14 (01:24:23):
But you never have.

Speaker 17 (01:24:26):
That's the that's the rub.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
You never have.

Speaker 17 (01:24:31):
And so part of what we have to do in
the midst of this is to engage in a deep
sea of political calculus. Right even though we know that
she has to get the middle. We've got to come
out and try to figure out how to turn out
in the large, in the large historic numbers, because we've
got to keep this troglodyte out of office, because if
he comes in, our babies are going to be in

(01:24:52):
endangered because remember, those young children are going to grow
up with the memory of having to not go to
school for the threat of bah and somebody told them
that their moms and dads eat cats. If they eat
cats and dogs, I'll get myself together.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
I mean talk about Trump derangement syndrome. A classic case
from this guy who teaches at Princeton University by the way, and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
By the way, while he wants to minimize the Haitians,
the cats and dogs, there was a bus that was
overturned by a Haitian refugee that did not drive, killed
a young man and harmed injured twenty two other students
in that school bus. We can talk about that too.
You know, I've talked just about the cats, which I'm
convinced of being eaten with the geese and everything else.
That's all happening, But there's kit people have been harmed,

(01:25:42):
people have been that community has suffered from what's happened
there for a number of years now, and it's getting
attention now during election. But for that professor to pretend
that all of that is a farce and it's all
a hype and there's no truth to it, it's just
not I mean, he himself is just he's perpetual the falsehood.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Well, I'm trying to follow the story of our kids
go to school, they'll be bombed. That's you know, he's
talking about talking about what was he talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
So when so there was foreign groups that went and
created bomb threats in Springfield, and the first thing the
media did is said, see what Trump said has caused
these crazy maga people to send in bomb threats. Then
they found out and they came out that it was
foreign born these calls. It was not from Europe, they
were so it had nothing to do with any election,

(01:26:29):
any maga person, anyone from Trump's But they see, they
just glaze over that. They don't even the wine. The
Democrat governor of Ohio corrected the records that that was
anyone from the hero that was foreign, that was a
foreign influence trying to influence the election, and they still
run with that narrative about bomb threats from the Trump's side,

(01:26:49):
even after it's been proven to be not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, talk about fear. Greg We had this comment earlier
from this woman who said NPR host who said latinosport
Donald Trump because Latinos want to be white.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
I know, I know. It's just the most to be derogatory,
most condescending accusations made about anyone who doesn't vote the
way they want.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
It's fear. This is this is a fear election. The
Democrats are doing everything they possibly can to scare the
daylights out of Americans who support Donald Trump and who
will vote for Donald Trump. This is my prediction.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
I just I got to believe in this country, and
I got to believe that these tactics are seen for
what they are. They're egregious, they are over the top,
they're obnoxious, and I think that people are going to
push back on it. I don't think people are buying
what this media is selling. I really don't. I don't
think this race is as close as they want us
to believe it is. I truly think that the American
people do not want more of what we've been living through.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Yeah, and and you know, and we well, it's going
to be interesting to see how little Timmy does against
today in this vital we've called the shot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Folks. We've told you he's been trained to say nothing.
He's like Schultz from Hogan's Heroes. I know nothing nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Yeah, I know nothing. I shut up because I sold
just shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Yep, that's that's gonna be core.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
You remember that TV show. I love that show that
really dates you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
By the way, man, I watched a lot of TV's
a kid. I just want you to know I logged
in a lot of hours.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
All right. The vice presidential debate between uh jd Vance
and Tim Walls coming up next right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine K and our ass
of course, tomorrow it is. Can you believe it's Wednesday? Yeah,
version a Rod and Greg version of Wingman Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Yeah, tomorrow. Today was tomorl Trus Tuesday. Tomorrow's wing Man Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yep, yep, that's coming up.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Thanks for joining us tonight, head off, shoulders back. May
God bless you and your family in this great country
of ours. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
It's four.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Enjoy tonight's debate. It's next

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