The Rod and Greg Show: Is It Common Sense to Keep America-Haters Out of America?

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That's true, and a loyal fan to the Rod and
Greg show. Yes, all right, all right, We've got a
lot to get to today, as Greg talked about, and
we're all talking about letting people in America who hate us.
Why do we do that? We'll get into that. We
are ld members of the LDS faith, the Church of
Jesus Christ of latterday Saints. Are they shifting left? There's
some new research out on that. We'll get into that

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as well. A little bit later on. We'll talk about
sanctuary jurisdictions and what intarnations is going on up north
in Canada. We'll talk with the Canadian as he tells
us all.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Around home away from home. He's such a Kentucky. He's
got a he's got an unhealthy a love for the
Canadians of which I don't share.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
So yeah, thank that. Stanley Cupp starts tonight, go Edmonton, Florida.
Go ahead, all right, I want to start off. I
mean the Democrats. What is it about them, Greg that
they feel that enable to get their message across they
just have to be as crude as possible. Will Huh?
Is it just being a Democrat that you can say

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whatever you want and get away with it?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah? They think, yeah, they honestly you can. I just
saw a picture today of that very thing where they're
being crude. They're being at least rude, and the person
next to them has a be Kind rainbow shirt on,
and they're standing right next to each other, and they
don't even have any idea that you know, be kind
doesn't mean subscribe to my worldview. It means to be
nice people.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
They don't understand they do well because the person next
to them, we're in a T shirt that says.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
What eighty six forty.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Seven means, get rid of Donald, takeout Donald. I'll get
on Trump. But there's this Democratic congressman. She represents one
of the whitest states in America, Vermont, Okay, probably whiter
than Utah it could be. But she she decided to
hold the town meeting last Friday, and she talked about
the need for immigrants and why we need them. Listen

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to this comment carefully.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
We have to place in Congress where it is no
longer a.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Political issue, but we see it as an existential issue
for the country. If we don't have avenues for people
to come here leedally to work or to build her
home here, I'm gonna be able the.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Thruth right now.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
We're not gonna have anybody around and wipe our house
because we don't have enough people.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
We don't have enough people around to wipe our butts.
And that's why we need illegal immigrants in this country.
That's what she basically said.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, she's that is that that. See, these leftists are
social engineers. They're smarter than everyone else. They have no
tolerance for anyone that doesn't subscribe to the worldview and
what you are. You're not a person, You're a You're
an avenue to power. They just need you to do
what they say and to vote the way they want
you to vote, and if you're not, they'll come go

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get a new crop of voters. But at the end
of the day, all you're good for really is the labor.
They don't want to they're too good to do and
they don't want to stoop too low to perform.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
That's what that's what you are like, white being our butts.
I guess that's that. Apparently is the next time.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
That must be rage out there in Vermont.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
There's another avenue. There's another issue today. You have Democrats
out there who during COVID demanded we all wear masks. Right, yes,
well now they're demanding that ICE agents all around the
country no longer wear masks because they want a docs
each and every one of them to threaten them and
threaten their families.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yes, that's what they're doing. They're doing it without apology. Again,
take down Tesla, just extend that out. Once they got there,
once they made it, they took the misery index and
rose it so high that even Elon Musk, who takes
on a lot and puts up with a lot, is done.
Now they're extending that to ICE agents where they want
to personally threaten them and inspire fear even going after

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their family members. And uh, but you know what it is, Rod.
Have you ever seen the I mean I've seen it
movies where they were the Mexican Federals. They wear masks
because the car tells if they find out who they are,
they're going to go after them and their families. That's
what we're doing here now, that's why we're we're like
Mexico now where these were our ICE agents have to
be like these Mexican federalities that to hide their faces

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from these nut jobs that want to dock them and
expose them to the public. And they're even their families.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well, apparently this happened during a raid in Los Angeles
where some guy got his camera out and started taking
pictures of all the faces of the ICE agents and
then posted it online. Use that to find out their name,
where they live, all about their family, and he posted
it online, so if people wanted to get after their
family they could. And you've got who is that? Dan
Goldman is at his name? That congressman who's a bit
of a whack job out there. And how came Jefferies,

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the minority leader in the House, demanding now that ICE
agents take off their masks.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's to what end? Yeah, members of Congress Democrats, why
do you want to do that? You want to intimidate
and use fear to you know, to achieve an end goal.
And that's all they've ever done. They're not. They're not aspirational.
They're not they're not talking about this country in positive
tones and ideas that you know, we aspire to. They
want to tear down. They want to make you afraid,

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and fear is there is their greatest motivator. It's it's
actually why you can't even talk about titlement reform because
they use fear to tell you what that means. I mean,
I've got a clip of Schumer, who can't you know
he's doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Did Yeah, yeah, all right, We've got a lot to
get to today when we come back. Why do we
let people into this country who absolutely hate us?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yes, it sounds it's a stick to beat ourselves with.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Literally.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think that's coming up on the Rod and Greg
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Speaker 7 (10:34):
Okay, hey Rod, hey Greg love the show makes the
drive home so much better.

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Also, I need to hack some my dog ate mine.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's pretty good excuse. That's pretty good excuse.

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A judge, a Biden appointed judge I believe, has now

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blocking the US from deporting the family of the nut
job and Boulder who attacked those Jewish supporters over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
They blocked it.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I know. It's every day, another day another judge. Okay,
and it's just they're not It doesn't make any sense.
It's countering two of the American people.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
But here we are on our Newsmaker line or any
our Newsmaker line to talk about this. And Simon Hankinson,
he is a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. Simon,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
It's great to be back with you guys.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Simon, what about this? I mean, why do we let
people who want to be in this country on a visa,
the visa expires, they hate us, and we allow them
to stay here.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
That is a very good question that I've been asking
for my entire career a State Department of twenty three
years and for the past three at the Heritage Foundation.
I don't understand it. I mean, if somebody came into
your house, you invited them for dinner, and as soon
as they got in the door they started kicking your
dog and insulting your mother, what would you do. You'd
probably say that was a mistake, Sorry, I invited you.

(12:20):
You may go home now. But as a country, we
don't do that. We let people come in, they overstay visas,
and instead of making them go home again, we allow
them to launch what's almost certainly a fraudulent asylum claim
and then drag it out for five ten years, and
even when they are ordered removed, ordered deported by a judge,
there are one point three I think it is now

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million people who are still here because we haven't gotten around.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
To removing them.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
You know, my question is does it even take a judge,
once you've overstayed once a visa. Because this family did that,
they went and they went gone an initial visa, it expired.
They got one of those bogus asylum app of these
approvals that Biden started, got that for two years, and
then that expired in March of this year. Once you're

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past that, what would you need a court order for?
It's pretty self explanatory. I would think from that point on,
why is this family of this this terrorist not being deported.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
So, yeah, I haven't looked into exactly. I know he
apparently came in on a non immigrant visa in twenty
twenty two and just overstated. But if you're saying that
they'd use that CDP one app to get parole, then
once the parole is revoked, then they're supposed to go.
But the reason the judge US gets involved is because
people use the asylum system to stay illegally. So let's

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say you have you know, one hundred people who want
to stay here illegally, maybe two of them have a
legitimate asylum claim, like they're actually being persecuted for their race, religion,
political beliefs, etc. Back in their home country by the government, which.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Is what you would need to qualify.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
The rest will claim it anyway, and they've got you
all kinds of things available on the internet to make
up a case. You probably have chat GBT right. You're
in a sylum application about five seconds. Even if it's
totally bogus, yours will sound legitimate. And if you're in
the ninth circuit, there's some immigration judges are nicer than others,
so everybody claims. And that's basically what the Biden administration

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hopes all these people they released at the border would
do so. As soon as ice arrest someone who's here illegally,
if they are trying to enforce immigration law, the first
thing that person will often do is apply for asylum,
which then drags the whole thing out for years.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Simon, help us figure this one out. We have the
media in this country who at this point appears to
be more sympathetic to this guy's family, his daughter apparently
is a nurse and has studied here to be a nurse,
more sympathetic to his family than they are sympathetic to
the victims of this attack on Sunday, Your thoughts on.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
That, Well, there's two things that play here. One the
left that does include most of the national media doesn't
want to poort anybody under any circumstances. Ever, as soon
as someone lands at the airport, they are now a
local man, Florida man, you tomn whatever. Yeah, they and
they right, they always treat them. They always say what

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city that they most recently lived in, even if they're
not American citizens, they never identify that. And the second
thing is anti Semitism is really a powerful force. And
there are a lot of people who are not so
secretly sympathetic to the guy who shot and killed those
two poor young people here in Washington, d C. And

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all the campus riders and even this guy who was
just trying to murder people with Molotov cocktails.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You know, sometimes you have to really dig in to
see to expose media hypocrisy or the hypocrisy of the left.
But I think it's so it's a neon lights right now.
I mean, you do have the media talking about the
daughter of this terrorists just wanted to be a nurse,
as if we don't. And I don't know anything about
these victims. I mean, he's being charged with sixteen attempted
murder charges. I don't know anything about their families or

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their kids and what they're aspiring to do in life.
There's no focus on that when is there? And then
you have the judge who is stopping the deportation. Is
there an accumulative effect to all this with the American
people and the American psyche? Do we see this happening
every day? And it seems to be every day to
the point where the left in the media just will

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one day finally be irrelevant to us.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
I do think there's a cumulative effect. I mean, if
you look at what happens in Germany, the number of
stabbing attacks that they've had by people who were there
on asylum or who'd failed their asylum applications and been
ordered to go home. It's like every other week there's
another mass stabbing. And I do think in Denmark, for example,
people finally had enough and they elected a government that

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made it much much harder to get there through a
fraudulent asylum claim. When that happens in the US, I
do feel like President Trump's election was partly because his
strong border enforcement policies, and I think people really didn't
like there was not a majority of Americans who wanted
actual open borders, which is what we essentially had for

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four years. And the more evidence you see of these
preventable crimes of people being being killed, being raped, being
robbed by gangs. There was one just the other day
in South Carolina. I think it was a poor mother,
and I don't remember all the circumstances, but she was
in her car and six kids ranging in age from

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thirteen to twenty one, killed her and tried to rob her,
every single one of them here illegally.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Wow, what a story, Simon. As always, we appreciate your
insight and thoughts on this. Thank you very much for
joining us.

Speaker 8 (17:50):
My pleasure, gentlemen, thank you.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
All right on our any hour newsmaker line that Simon Hankinson,
Senior Research Fellow at the Heritage Foundation. More coming up
on the Wingman Wednesday edition of The Rotten Greg Show.
Utah and where we stand politically, Greg. You and I
have talked about this, you know, the national media it
quite often refers to Utah as one of the reddest
of red states. I think things are shifting a little bit.

(18:13):
What are your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, I think that as this population has grown in
our metropolitan areas have grown in the city of interstate
of Utah that we have, We're still a solidly read
Republican controlled state. But I would not put us in
the reddest of red columns.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, I don't think so anymore. Neither does our next guest.
His name is Ryan Burge. He's a political scientist at
Eastern Illinois University recently did a new survey on the
shift taking place among members of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints. Ryan, thanks for joining us
on our Any Hour Newsmaker line. We've been called the
reddest of red states? Are we in fact?

Speaker 9 (18:49):
Ryan?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 9 (18:50):
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't call Utah the reddest of red states.
I mean, Oklahoma didn't have a single county that voted
for Tamala Harrison twenty twenty four, so definitely a lot
more I would say purple ish, maybe light red.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Latterday Saints are a Republican voting.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Block, but definitely not in the same strait.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
As like a white evangelical Let's say so in the
twenty twenty four election, about two thirds and then voter
for Trump and about thirty percent voter for Harris. That
was exactly the same as what it looked like in
the twenty twenty election between Biden and Trump, about two
thirds voter for Trump and about thirty percent voter for Biden.
So you know, sixty five seventy.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Percent of latter Day Saints tend to vote for Republicans.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
On election day, so we were taught. I love your article.
Thank you for diving into these numbers and analyzing them.
One of the things that I find interesting about Utah's culture,
or more specifically, i'd say the culture of members of
the Church of Jis Christ the Lardy Saints, which is
the majority you know, denomination here in Utah, is that

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people want to be appear to be fair. And I
think you struck on this in your article where you
said a lot of people will self identify as moderate,
maybe left of center, right of center a little bit,
but it doesn't track what's happening at the ballot boxes
come time to vote. And it's always been the case
that that Uton's always wanted to find, in my opinion,
a Democrat to vote for, so they could feel that

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they're being fair minded. And I think it would track
that if you ask them, you know, are you conservative,
are you moderate? Are you left? There's a resistance to
categorize themselves. They'd like to believe that they vote for
the person without regard to that, but when you can
put the choices in front of them, they are voting
more often right right instead of left. Maybe share with

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our listeners, is that a I mean, are you seeing
what they self identify with differently than how they're voting
and Utah, especially in the twenty twenty four election versus
twenty sixteen when Trump first ran.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
Yeah, so I mean I think to me, that's really
how you tell it. But which way the election is
going to go, it's how the moderates vote. And if
you look at the LDS in twenty twenty, fifty nine
percent of the moderates voter for Biden, but in twenty
twenty four only fifty percent the LEDs moderates voted for Harris,
so you can definitely see there was some movement there.
I think the problem is with ideology. We want to

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not be labeled, but on election that you have to
make a choice, you know, and it's almost always Republican
versus Democrats. So you can say you're a moderate, but
if you both for the Republican Canada ten elections in
a row, you're basically a Republican and a conservative. You
just don't want to call yourself that. So I think
there's always this disconnect between how we want to perceive
ourselves and what we actually.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Do we walk in the voting move Ryan, you said
something interesting a moment ago where you said there's a
difference between the white Evangelical voter and the white Mormon voter.
What is the difference, in your opinion.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
About fifteen points?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I would say, really, really, really yeah.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
I mean eighty three percent of wide evangelicals voted for
Donald Trump. I think you can also see some daylight
on other issues that I looked at before. For instance, well,
I don't say it's tend to be a lot more
moderate on things like immigration, modern on religious freedom issues.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
So I think it's being a minority religion, you know.

Speaker 9 (21:56):
I mean, you know, Evangelical Christianity dominates the conversation in America,
so they kind of their politics come from that dominant position.
The oh DSLS worth seeing themself as a marginal group. Specifically,
they are marginal. They're one percent of America. So I
think you see and interestingly enough, if you look at
data about LDS folks who have gone on mission, especially overseas.
It can be way more pro immigration than other LDS

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or even evangelicals, So there are differences there. I think
when I think of the Latter Day Saints, I think
of right of center.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
When I think of why do you joggle? I think
far right of center politically.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So let's go to the younger voters. I like this demographic.
You point out the eighteen to thirty five year old
voters in twenty twenty LDS voters voted for Trump. In
that in that age category of eighteen to thirty five,
thirty one percent stated that they voted for Trump. You
fast forward to twenty twenty four, between the eighteen to
thirty five year old voter demographic, LDS voters fifty six

(22:51):
percent for Trump, which is such a such a spike.
Let me ask you, I don't know if this is
a binary choice. Was it the contrast of four you
of a Democrat like Biden in charge that gave them
a better eye of what they wanted in the next term?
Or was it or is it what they lived through
in COVID and maybe what happened during that time that

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would would draw them to get away from that administration?
Was it the administration generally, or was it their experience
with COVID that drove such a change within that demographic
of young voters.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
How would be injured?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yet I suspected it might be.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (23:29):
I mean it's hard to parse, right, like why certain
voters do certain things. But I mean, if you look
across the board, Trump basically made inroads in almost every
region of America with almost every demographic group, whether it
be white or non white, college educated, not college educated,
low income, high income, young voters, older voters.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
And I think a lot of it is you know,
there was a lot.

Speaker 9 (23:50):
Of anti Trump sentiment among the LBS vote back in
twenty sixteen, for instance. You know they only a bare
minimum voter for him fifty two sixteen. Now he's a
sixty six. So I think whatever the reluctance was to
vote for Trump for reasons that I don't think we
fully understand yet, a lot of that reluctance has gone away.
And they saw the Biden administration when the issues with

(24:10):
immigration and the issues with inflation and the economy, and
they thought, well, at least what Trump we know we're getting,
Let's at least give that guy another shot.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Plus we can add that back with the Biden stuff
and the health stuff and the Harris late edition and
all that.

Speaker 9 (24:24):
I just don't think it was a very good election
cycle for Democrats across the board, and especially with young
people who are hurt by inflation. You know, they got
to go buy things, They don't go to college, they
don't want to pay more. And I think they're once
who warmed up a Trump Ryan.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
You talk about Trump going away, he will go away
in twenty twenty six. He won't be around for that
vote in twenty twenty eight, and even in twenty eight.
I mean, I mean, is it way too early to
see how this shift may change three four years down
the road at this point, if Trump is not there
because he's such a unique individual.

Speaker 9 (24:55):
Yeah, I mean, and they're to use a bad sports metaphor,
momentum is tomorrow, starting Pitcher. And I think the Democrats
are sort of in the in the wilderness right now.
But if they run a really good candidate in twenty
twenty eight, I mean, everything changes, right Who knows what
the economy is going to look like in twenty with
the tariffs and with international conflicts with Ukraine and just

(25:15):
with with everything else going on. Who knows where we're
going to be in twenty twenty eight. I don't think
it's possible. What we're going to see in the twenty
twenty six midterms is the Democrats win back at least
one House of Congress, because that's.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Just what happens.

Speaker 9 (25:26):
The out party always wins seats in the first midterm.
So I do think we're going to see divided government
by twenty twenty six, and Trump's ability to government is
going to be severely restricted after we see you know,
let's say the House being a majority of Democrat and
then in twenty twenty eight goes away, and who knows
what that election looks like. Maybe advance is the I
think my money's on vanc being the presumptnomenly on the
Republican side with the Democratic field is wide.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Open right now.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Brian, thanks for joining us on our any hour newsmaker line.
That's Ryan Bird. He's a political scientist at Illinois Eastern
Illinois University talking about LDS members and they're shifting political
wins out there. We think, well, we want to talk
about this podcast for sure.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. I have some questions for our audience. One is
it's saying that you know, the perceptions strong that they're
going shifting left is way stronger than reality. And reality
Trump has only gained momentum and support in Utah and
amongst LDS voters in general, certainly among the eighteen to
thirty five year old demographic. But my question is, and
here in the state of Utah, is it part of

(26:25):
the ethos being a Utah to not to not be
to not be pigeonholed into a political persuasion, and to
be fair and give democrats, you know, a fair shake.
Maybe it's a Democrat you want, not a Republican. It
could be anyone. So I want to know is that
part of uh, you know, Utah's mindset when they look
at candidates and elections or not.

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Speaker 1 (29:40):
Before the break, I said, you know, one of the
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Speaker 1 (30:19):
Has lost another member of its party. They are no
longer affiliated with that political party.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Corin Jean Pierre is leaving the Democratic Party. She was
the White House spokesman during the wonderful years of Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, one of the greatest purveyors of untruth, misinformation, misinformation
one that said that you know, present buying as sharp
as attack. We had to look into that binder for
what she was supposed to say. Next, is now expressing
her disappointment with the administration, with the party, all of that.
She wants to get out of it. But amazingly it
coincides with her selling a Book's.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
All Really, someone did that recently, Jake Jake Oh, Jake Tapper.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yes, and they haven't said it out loud, But I
think all of these are meant to discredit the election
of Donald Trump and really say, what it is is
that we were just so bad and they were so bad.
Not the person writing the book, but they were so bad.
This is how this guy actually was able to win
because they're just not good enough. I think that's behind
a lot of the I think that's why they're willing

(31:20):
to do it and throw their own under the bus,
is that they think it's a way to demean the
amazing win and not just electoral college, but the popular
vote win of Donald Trump. I think it's meant to
try and take away or try to put a chilling
effect on his mandate from the people.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Well, Coarine Jean Pierre, she said she's had enough of
the Democratic Party and now wants to be an independent.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, just like her to use it to be the
you know, the work in the White House and then
kick them all of the curb when she's out and
sell a book while you're doing.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Now, we want to go back to a conversation we
had last hour in the show with Ryan Burge. He
is a political scientist at Eastern Illinois University. He's taken
a look at some of the numbers some new research
done following the twenty twenty four election, and an interesting
question about are moderate and younger members of the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints warming up to

(32:10):
Donald Trump? Did they not like Donald Trump? You made
an interesting observation. A lot of people tend to call
themselves moderates, but when they get into the polling booth,
guess who they vote for. Conservatives and Republicans and Donald.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Trump when you get one choice or the other. And
especially after you saw four years of Biden, you're seeing
the state vote overwhelmingly. Anybody getting sixty plus percent of
the vote is doing really well. And so Trump is
not getting the lower numbers he got in twenty sixteen.
You saw his numbers grow here in the state of Utah.
But I think that honestly, Wisconsin has the same issue.

(32:44):
Wisconsin nice, they call it, Wisconsin voters do.

Speaker 11 (32:48):
Also.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I want to be seen as so fair minded that
you could be a Republican or a Democrat. You're all eligible,
that your vote is in play because you're My voting
for you would be in play because I am just
very fair as a voter into who I consider if
you are, if you're a conservative, then that kind of
puts you into a category. And people don't they feel

(33:09):
like maybe that makes me sound closed minded, that I'm
in a category that I'm a conservative or a liberal.
I just want to be everything, and look, we're not
just a state where I think in the voting booth
or in the campaigns and elections. Someone Utahns want to
find some Democrat they feel good about so they can
say they didn't vote straight party ticket. We actually outlawed
straight part party ticketing ticket voting in the state of Utah,

(33:32):
which I don't understand why we actually did it. But anyway,
so what say you, folks? I mean, am I wrong?
Am I being too cynical right now?

Speaker 9 (33:40):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Is it? I think it's a fenceitter myself. If you're
a moderate, you can go to and fro. You don't
know which side, you don't have a party platform, you
don't know what you're doing. That's how I feel. But
I want to hear from our listeners. Is it fair
minded to always have all the candidates from whatever party
in play for your consideration for your Is that part

(34:01):
of the ethos in hearing?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Let me ask you this question. Have you ever found
yourself in a situation, maybe a discussion, and it may
be a church, it may not be a church, wherever
the case may be, but says something that you know
is absolutely wrong. It is maybe a democratic talking point
that you know is not true, and have just to
keep the peace, kept quiet, yes, or have you said no,

(34:27):
you're wrong and willing to challenge him, and if you
keep the peace, don't want to say anything. Is that
part of what we see here in Utah where we
want to be fair, we want to be nice, and
we don't want to offend people if we say you're wrong.
I found myself in a situation like that over the weekend.
Someone says something Greg and I went, she is so

(34:49):
far out there in left field, and you know what,
I didn't say anything. Yeah, And I don't know why
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well, I do because you're in polite company and you
didn't want to really, because I will tell you, I'll
tell you. I'll tell you. One place I won't I
won't get into it is a church. I'm just not
gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm just
gonna In fact, I almost feel baited when someone at
church wants to get into this with me because I'm
just not going to go there. I really am not.
But but there are other times where I will just say,

(35:17):
don't get me started. Okay, I hear what you're saying.
I hear what you're saying, but we don't you really
don't want to go here with me, I don't think,
and I'll say that and if they press then, well
then I'll go. But if I'm in yes, I would
just say, Okay, I heard you. You don't want to
get me started. Let's just keep this going the way
it's going. We're talking about other things. Let's just go.

(35:39):
You don't want to go any further?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Have you said? Because I don't. I disagree with you,
but I don't want to get to do an argument
with you. So let's just move on. Yes, And how
hard is that for you to do? Knowing you, that's
got to be the most difficult thing.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Now, if they take me up on it and they
move on, then I'm good. I'm good. I throughout the
you don't want to get in this with me? If
they I don't want to go there, if they want
to press it, well then then we go. Then we go,
And I can do this in a respectful way. Look,
when you are when you grow up as a religious
minority of Church of Gis Christ Larry Saints in Pittsburgh,

(36:12):
where they think they think that means amishuah, so they
don't know who you are. When you have no most
of your family members are not of the same faith.
The competing opinions about very deep meaning principles or my faith.
I never got angry because people didn't agree or subscribe
to the same things I did. So I was kind
of trained to hear different opinions, even maybe harsh opinions

(36:35):
about something I felt very strongly about, without losing my
mind or getting upset. But I am passionate in what
I believe, and if someone really wants to go down
that road, I am very very happy to go there.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
You'll go there, all right. We want to hear from
you tonight eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
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(37:07):
end you leave your name in number, because you could
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talk to you. And let's go to the phones and
hear what David and Sandy has to say tonight here
on the Rotting Greg Show. David, how are you? Thanks
for joining us.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I'm doing well, Rod. I just wanted to make note
on voting for Democrats or Republicans on the Utah ticket.
I used to look for both. I mean, I was
trying to be pretty even in the fact I was
not declared one party or another. When I found out
I could not vote in the Republican primary because I

(37:45):
was not considered a Republican, then I signed up as
a Republican. However, I don't vote for Democrats anymore. I
do not trust them. They vote together as a block
on a national level at least, and they're all of one.
We can all see what is the program they're all
trying to push forward, and we're all working together to

(38:06):
do the same program. It's tons of stuff I just
don't believe. And so I don't want to do anything
to support them. In fact, on a local level, I
don't want to build somebody's career as a Democrat who
might end up on a national level.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah. Interesting, great insight.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
He's so right too, And and all you need to
know about what David said to know that he's right.
Even on the local level, You've got to be very careful.
Is that first they are subscribing to the national agenda.
And you know it because who was the keynote speaker
for the Democrat state Democrat, Utah Democratic.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
The governor of liberal can be Yeah, there.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Is no one if you see that. Whatever the Democrats
are doing on national scale, this man embodies all of
it and then some. So that's who they have as
their keynote speaker. That's who they believe that or that's
the that's the worldview they have, and they are they
are No, there's no daylight but between the national agenda
and these in this state's Democrats. And so David is
spot on to you know, to smoke that out.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
All right, more of your calls and comments and your
talkback comments right here on the Rotten Gregg Show in
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine knrs. So let's
go to the phones eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero. We're talking about members of the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latin Nage Saints and their willingness
or their desire to be fair instead of taking a
stand on certain issues.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yes, let's go to read in Salt Lake City read
thank you for holding Welcome to the running Greg show.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Him. Gentlemen, Hey, my comment is very simple, and that is,
if you have a group of ten members and I
assume five or just support Trump, four independent won't really
talk about it, and one is very strongly oppolosed to Trump,
who do you think is going to bring up politics first?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
He is very good? The one that hates Trump.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, yeah, the Trump hater.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Every single high you cannot I mean, and I and
I have seen this and then and there's this kind
of air of self righteous superiority about their comments a
lot of times.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
To my point, I just shake my head and I go, yeah, yeah, sure.
And every then the rest of us, you know, the
support Trump that don't make a big deal out of it,
just kind of look at each other and kind of
give that, you know, that knowing look to each other's
kind of like here we go again.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Right, Well, he's right, Thank you Red for that comment.
I have that I I have lived through as well.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
If if you're a Democrat today and you run into
somebody who does not believe Donald Trump is the most
wicked man in the world, he's nuts, he's crazy, he's
a dictator. If you don't go along with them, they
don't want to talk to you. That's yourn you. To
get into the Democratic Party, you have to hate everything
Donald Trump does. And if you don't, you cannot be

(40:52):
a Democrat.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
And if you don't, not only can you not be
a Democrat, you yourself suffer from moral failings and intellectual
failings that they don't want to be near you.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
That's true. That's true. Back to the phones we go.
Alan is in Salt Lake City tonight on the Roden
Great Show. Alan, How are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 12 (41:09):
Doing great, doing great. You guys have an awesome show.
You guys are great.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 12 (41:16):
Get that out of the way. So why I don't
why I don't vote a Democrat Because I remember back
in the sixties and seventies when my dad would always
tell me, I said I He always used to say,
I don't understand how people can vote for a Democrat
or call themselves a Democrat and a Christian at the
same time. It's kind of counterpart intuitive. But I don't

(41:38):
know if you guys remember just a few years ago,
within like the last ten years and they were debating
on whether to put in God we trust on the money.
You remember that in session the Democrats, every one of
them denied putting God on the coin and therefore denied God.
So therefore they are anti Christian.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Well they do they alan. You're right, I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
The separation of church and state was always meant to
protect our faith from the corruption of government, not that
faith would somehow corrupt government. And that is the way
that Democrats look at religion and faith. They look at
it as a corruption. I should I should rephrase that
Christian faith, yes, okay, and maybe even Jewish you know,
you know Judaism because without without fail, I mean, you

(42:29):
can sit your watch to it. If there is a
terrorist attack, if a Muslim attacks Jews, the first thing
that leaves the lips of a journalist is is there
going to be Islamophobia or muslim is going to be attacked.
They don't talk about the victims, they don't talk about
the the terrorist attack. They talk about are are Muslims
going to be attacked? Is there islamophobia? That's that's where

(42:49):
they go. There's that's the only sympathy they have.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Wasn't there a debate in one of the most recent elections.
But the Democrats remove the word God from their party platform. Yes,
I'm trying to recall, but something like that happened, didn't it,
where they just didn't want even God mentioned in the
party platform.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I believe that's true. Yeah, I think I was in
I think I was in sixteen.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Was sixteen?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yes, I just kind of one of our smart listeners
may remember can fact checks, but I do think it was.
It was around that time.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, all right, back to the phones as we go
here on the Rod and Greg Show. Let's go to
Gary and Roy. Gary, thank you for joining us on
the Rod and Greg Show. What do you say about this?

Speaker 5 (43:29):
Well?

Speaker 13 (43:30):
Was an example I use is I compare the two
thousand Stripling warriors and their parents, the anti High Leaf
ice and and so some were vicious killers. They buried
their weapon the war and decided they weren't going to
fight anymore. Yes, so they were being slaughtered, and then
their kids come along and they're like, we're going to fight,
but we're righteous. And I kind of look at people

(43:51):
and we're on, you know, somewhere on either end of
the sectrum. I consider myself more not so much in righteousness,
but that I'm going to take up to battle like
the warriors, not physically but verbally. And you know, I'm
I agree with you. Yes, TDS is so strong in
today's world, and I just it's just the opposite. People

(44:13):
are so deceived. It's crazy. Yeah, people like that.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yes, I appreciate Gary's comment. You know, it's sometimes I
hate to say this, This is going to be maybe
too brash, but sometimes it's easier to bleed, that is,
to actually have this conversation with people and deal with
the Trump derangement syndrome that's out there. I think you
do fight. It is fighting when you're fighting for your beliefs.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I do, all right, more of your calls and comments,
Plus we'll let you hear some of our talkback comments
coming up right here on the Rod and Greg Show
in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS.
When it comes to members of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter day Saints and their voting patterns over
the last couple of years, I have argued and I
think you've agreed with me, mister Hughes. Doesn't happen very often,

(44:56):
but Oftiline we're characterized and they very read state and
I don't think we're that way anymore. And Ryan come
in and said, not purple but maybe light red.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yes, yep, I think that's true. Yeah, I do. But
you know, the Democrats help us out because they're just
so stone cold crazy that if it's a binary choice,
you're just not going with the loons, You're going with
the Republicans. And Republicans buying large are good, but we
do have some Republicans that sneak in that are probably
a little more Democrat than they should be.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Right, But as you pointed out, because we like to
be nice, yes, we like to be fair that there
are a lot of members of the LDS faith who
claim that they're fair minded, but they get in the
booth and they vote Republican.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
I think this is more of a Utah LDS phenomenon
than nationally, but I do absolutely I've seen it. I
believe I've seen it with my own eyes that people
do not want to be categorized or said to be
closed minded. So they want to say, oh, I'm open,
I'm not anything. But when it comes time to vote,
they're not voting for the Democrat. They're voting for.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Republicans say the same thing about Trump. Yeah, Trump, come
out and say, oh I love Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Well, there was a shy Trump vote nationally at first
because of how much stigma the media and the left
attached to Donald Trump. I think that's changed completely now.
But I do still think that Utah is very similar
to Wisconsin as a state in what they call Wisconsin
nice and Utah nice. And this is where people do
not want they want to believe that their vote is

(46:23):
open to any candidate that makes their case.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
All right, let's go to the phone. Let's talk to
Charlie in Draper tonight here on the Rod In Greg Show. Charlie,
how are you? Thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Okay, I'm great, so you can hear me. Yeah, go ahead, Okay, great, Hey,
I love you guys. Listen to you, been listen to
you for years.

Speaker 12 (46:43):
Rod.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
I've called in before, but I first need to preface this.
I've been married for fifty years and I've been banned
talking politics and religion.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Charlie, You're my kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Charlie, you've found You've found a sanctuary radio station or
we'll protect against whatever you do now alone, welcome home.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
That's exactly, because I have to tell you there's something
that with age I've been fascinated with because when it
comes to you know, me being a lifelong member of
the church and generations being in it, it fascinates me
how people, you know, we get caught up with the
behavior of people and then become judgmental. And of course

(47:25):
Trump has got so many indefensible things about personal behavior. However,
I've totally loved my life when he was president before,
and I love what's happening now, which is such a
simple basic fact. And yet everybody can't see that. And
that's why I love to talk about it, is you
just bring it back into reality because this Trump derangement syndrome,

(47:46):
it's got to be put into mental health books.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
You guys.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
It's the real illness I've ever seen. It's so real.
I've got very intelligent Democrat friends, and they just lose
it with this guy and ignore all facts and reality.
But I uh, again, I I love that we all
talk about the same But again, it's just the reality, guys,
of what's really best for us and our beliefs and

(48:13):
our and our families. And Trump is by the way,
Trump has been the most religious talking president, I can remember, Yes,
I don't know how they're they're avoiding this, and they
and all the time, all the time, and and so
I again, as far as what his presidential values are,

(48:34):
they're right in line with what I've always believed. Again, yeah, again,
I'm not trying to rationalize these past but failings. But
then again, if we want to bring up religion, guys,
we better hope there's repentance and change for all of us.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
We're all screwed.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Well, Charlie. We want you to know, Charlie, we want
you to know, any time you want to express a
political opinion, you're free to call it. You know where
your sanctuary.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Tell you, guys, don't we enjoy it? I mean true
is don't we just really enjoy it? There's just something
about it.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
It's our life. Yea, it is as that.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
And you know, he said, he said that some of
the Democrats he knows have Trump arrangement syndrome. I have
friends who are Republicans or have been who think that
Trump has hijacked the party away and then and they
and they have this derangement that is it's unrecognizable to
everything else I've known about them. But but but Donald
Trump has not robbed this party is This party is
lower on taxes, and it's lower on it's it's personal freedom,

(49:32):
and it's economic liberty and national strength and securing the borders.
These are all these are all tenants of our of
the Republican Party. And show me where he's departed from
even Ronald Reagan. Times change, circumstances change, but I think
he is as Republican as you get.

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Here are a couple of our talkback callers and their
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I just love it. I think it's a great way
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There's a there's you know, it's it's tough. Yeah, it's
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(53:38):
really empowering a scary party, and it's doing some pretty
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(54:13):
out there, and it is called the Trump derangement syndrome.
I know that I've been around for quite a long
time now, seen many presidents over the years. Have never
seen a president who, by some people, not everybody, but
a segment of this population who absolutely hates the man.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yes, they lose their minds. He tries to be sarcastic.
They take every word he says as if it were
he meant every word. Yeah, they take his comments out
of context. They overreact to everything he does. And as
one caller pointed out, boy, I hope we're not all
I hope there is forgiveness out there, because I don't
think we're all perfect. You know, just because Donald Trump
might have sins more public than anyone else's, don't think

(54:52):
everybody else is running around lily white in this world. Okay,
We've had presidents that have had histories, and it's not
to excuse anything, but it is to say leadership and
performance and what we can expect from a public servant.
It should be in what we get.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
LBJ Vietnam War. People hated the war. They hated LBJ,
but not like they hate Trump. No, it's they hated Reagan.
They thought Reagan was too old, they hated what he
was trying. I thought he was dumb, dumb, and you know,
just a stupid Hollywood actor. But I never I never
felt the hate and the venom that exists. Even even
George Bush during the you know, the Mid East wards

(55:29):
they were on in Iraq, they they didn't get to
the level of the hate that exists.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Or there was at least a small segment that did,
but it wasn't as pervasive as it is now. What
I think is going to happen is after Trump's this
term is over, whoever the Republican nominee for president is
I think, well, it'll be the next arrangement syndrome. I
don't I think it. I don't think it simmers down.
I think they are No, I think it's the man.
I don't I think it's I think because I think
the brand of leadership, whether it's a jd. Vance or

(55:55):
Mark or Rubio or anyone, I think they're going to
be very brash and bold in their leadership, and the
regime media and the leftist or react the same way.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Speaking of crazy, next hour we'll talk about the Canadians.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yes, they was crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yeah. Great to be with you on a beautiful evening
out there on the outside. Stanley Cup playoffs underway tonight, Go.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Edmonton, Go Florida Panthers.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I give the you cannot give the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Want to last year. They get over you know, Las
Vegas is a warm climate. To Las Vegas is to
get over it. You know what doesn't seem right? A
red blooded American want cheering for a Canadian team. That's
what's not right. It's just disgusting to watch. It's it's
it is I I don't know how you can cheer
for Edmonton to win the Stanley Cup. Well, I am,
I'm an American. I want American team. I want an

(56:44):
American team to win. Imagine that.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, you are an American.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I will admit that.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
The Florida Panthers they're they're not They're the underdog in this.
But I'll tell you what, they got a defense. They're
gonna swarm those Edmonton Oilers and they're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Well, I don't really care, Margaret. Yeah, yeah, we started
my show.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I did I gave you a compliment? What was I crazy?

Speaker 13 (57:08):
Was the matter with? Well?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
We played a comment on our new talkback feature. You're
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Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yes and Style will not be disappointed with this at.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, here's one of the comments.

Speaker 16 (57:38):
Hello, Rod and Greg, I have wondering do you have
any advice for how to talk to those who do
have Trump drangement syndrome and how to bring him back.
I'd like to know your thoughts on that, especially Greg
with his experience. All right, what advice would we offer?

Speaker 6 (57:52):
So?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I have a couple a piece of advice. One is
you might want to acknowledge to the person up front
that you don't know that you'll ever change their mind,
given how they feel good, point and that that, But
you don't want to leave them with the idea that
there isn't an answer. A lot of people with Trump
derangement syndrome, when they go after people and everyone ignores them,
they say, see, I'm right, no one has nobody can

(58:12):
answer what I say. So I would just preface it
with I don't know that anyone will ever change your mind,
but there are, there is actually some truth you ought
to know, and just give them, give him some basic
facts of what he's done. I went and downloaded after
the first Trump administration, that White House put out all
their accomplishments, and it turned out to be pages and
pages of real accomplishments, measurable accomplishments of tax cuts, deregulator deregulation,

(58:35):
Abraham accords, you name it. And I have shocked people
with I made it into a document, and I shocked
people with the volume that he was able to accomplish
in that first term, even under siege of the Russian
hoax and everything else.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah. The other thing I'd suggest, don't get rattled. No,
stay calm, because they want to shake you up. They
are looking.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Because they're shaken out.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
They're going to point out and see, see you're as
crazy as he is. Just remain calm. They want to attack,
you said, share the fact be very common. That's the
way to deal with it. Here's another comment that came in.

Speaker 17 (59:04):
Hey guys, it's Brian from Bluffdale.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Op. Sorry, Brian, I'm not sure.

Speaker 17 (59:10):
I don't think I need to leave my number. You
probably have that in call waiting anyway. I just wanted
to check out your talk back feature. I think it's
pretty cool and I plan on using it thoroughly in
the coming days.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Uh well, yeah, there you go. Sorry, we got his
name on, but we can get his number. But so
we've got that. Here's another comment. Whoops, only it's the
button that's highly technical. By the way, need to let
you know on that. Let's see what this one says.
This one we want no here it is right here. Whoops,
get out of there. Hey, this is difficult making fun
of me.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
This is just this is a this is a show killer.
Here you better put it on.

Speaker 7 (59:51):
Rod, Greg I love the show. Rod, I got a
bone to pick. You gave me the Verry White over
their radio waves. You transmitted the Verry White. I can't
believe it. Anyway, it's all about the hat. Hand over
the hat, slowly, back away, nobody gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Wo Berry White eyed. This man's voice went down how
many octaves? He had this deep voice? And you know
what you've been doing it And folks, you need to
know this. Every time we go to commercial he is
a super spreader in the ear. He is a hack.
As soon as we're off into the commercials, he turns
a mic off, and it is just he is just
aerosoling this entire studio. There's no windows in here, I

(01:00:29):
have no ventilation, and he is just coughing and coughing.
So I'm gonna get the very white eye is too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You could leave, you know, we have other studios we
could put you in if you're that conservative. I've lasted
this long for you, always five days here. Here's here's
what life is like working with you. You always brag
that you're healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Well I am to that because I I'm not bragging.
I'm just stating a fact. I drop truth bumps, but
they might be uncomfortable. It might be an uncomfortable truth,
But I have an immune system. I have annibody. No,
every time you are in public, anytime you go anywhere,
you come back sick every time. If there's if it's
a gathering of five or more rodsick. It's one hundred

(01:01:12):
percent true. You went to You texted me over the
holiday weekend Memorial Day. I'm at the I'm watching Mission Impossible,
great movie. I should have known. You're in a pack theater.
You're sick. Just that's it. But I know you go
to the pack theater you're sick, you go on an airplane.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Your argument is we I went to Hawaii, came back.
I wasn't sick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Yes you were.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
No, I won. You hit I got sick Memorial Day.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
You hit it. I'm telling you folks, trust me on
this every time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Because I've worked together for what ten years? Twelve years now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Right, and he's dealt with this before. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
And I'm telling you so and so rod totals when
you when you first get hey, I'm going to be
out today. I'm feeling under the weather. And e Ray
said to me, Oh, this isn't a day deal. This
is he's going to be gone for a while. Because
that's why what happens. Because you don't have an immune system.
You don't have antibodies. You need vitamin D, you need
to get out in that sun. You need more because
you don't have an immune system. I don't know what's

(01:02:09):
going on. So immune deficiency syndrome is that what they
call it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I called that, I said from the beginning. As soon
as as soon as I knew he'd lost his voice,
I told Greg right away, you wouldn't be back all week,
and you wouldn't have been there on Friday, if Greg
hadn't been out of town. That's the truth. That's probably true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
It was a short week. And uh, but you you've
you've coughed more today though than you did earlier this week.
As soon as we go to when we go to commercial,
I live in fear because you just you just you
don't even cover your mouth. I don't even know what
you do over the place. It is true anyway, I'm that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Guy just says it is you don't we blew past
and we'll have to go get them back on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, we have a very good interview you folks. You
don't want to miss this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Sanctuary cities.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Let's break right now. But when we come back, let's
talk to Melman Federation for American Immigration Reform about sanctuary jurisdictions.
The Trump administration put out a list of the sanctuary
states jurisdictions as they're trying to get this a whole
thing to sale your immigration crisis more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
If your talk back comments a chance for you to
win a rotten Greg gap that's coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show, and you talked talk Radio one
O five nine knas let's talk about sanctuary cities. New
numbers out today and sanctuary jurisdictions all around the country
are exploding. Greg, pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
It is, And you know what we were. It's good.
You know, good information drives good decisions. It's good to
be very transparent. And you're finding not only from Ira
Melman's organization where they've they've made this public, but now
that Trump administration is does have a list of states
and jurisdictions that are sanctuary and we need to know
who they are and where they are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I Rose, joining us on our Newsmaker line, we push
them back a little bit, I wrote, Well, appreciate you
pushing things back. You've taken a look at the numbers
sanctuary jurisdictions across the US. What are the numbers looks
like and are you surprised?

Speaker 8 (01:04:13):
Well, let's start with the top number.

Speaker 18 (01:04:15):
The top number is one thousand and three sanctuary jurisdictions
across the country that includes entire states, cities, counties. These
are localities that have adopted policies that say they're either
going to shield illegal aliens or they're going to refuse
to comply with federal requests to take custody of the

(01:04:35):
legal aliens who have been arrested by state and local police.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:04:39):
You go back to late April, President Trump issued an
executive order asking his Departments of Homeland Security and Justice
to compile a list of sanctuary jurisdictions because he does
want to address these jurisdictions that interfere with the enforcement
of federal immigration law.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:04:58):
As you know, the Department of Homeland Secure came out
with the list, they had to retract it and look
it over. Fair has actually been working on this for
probably close.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
To a year.

Speaker 18 (01:05:08):
We put together one thousand and three jurisdictions, each one
documented so that you know, there is evidence that these
are in fact sanctuary jurisdictions.

Speaker 8 (01:05:17):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:05:18):
So I guess in a way we've kind of done
the Department of Justice and Homeland Securities job for them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
So my question is, and I think you just mentioned it,
but the list came out, and of course here in Utah,
we were very curious and we wanted to see that
list and understand it better. Utah wasn't on that list,
although I would argue Salt Lake City seems pretty sanctuary
to me. But then it seemed that the list was
taken off of the website and it was said that
the story of the backstory was that the Sheriff's Association

(01:05:47):
of the National Shriff Association had reached out and said
that it was causing a not a positive work in
relationship between ice and county sheriffs. Do you know any
backstory there?

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Is?

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
It? Back up on the can people look at what
states are sanctuary states?

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Is that list available to the public again?

Speaker 18 (01:06:06):
It is, Well, our list is. The federal government is
offline for now. I guess they're going to go back
and review it, but ours is. And you know, the
thing about the fair list is that we include hyperlinks
to the policies themselves, so you know, people don't have
to take our word for it. All they have to
do is click on the hyperlink and they can see

(01:06:27):
exactly what these localities are doing and what their policies are.
And by the way, we do have both Salt Lake City,
County and the city on our lists, and it's got
the hyperlink right there to those policies, so folks in
Utah can take a look at them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. The Salt Lake City and
Salt Lake County are on that list. Ira Ira of
the one thousand jurisdictions that you've found one thousand and three.
Why do I get a sense of most of these
jurisdictions are run by Democrats.

Speaker 18 (01:06:57):
Well, you know, it's probably a good, good intuition on
your part.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yes, a lot of them are.

Speaker 18 (01:07:04):
You know, you have seventeen states that have these policies.
I haven't looked at exactly who's in charge, but I
would imagine most of them are deep blue states, you know,
states like California, New York, Illinois. But even in red states,
even in states that have outlawed these sanctuary policies, you
still have local jurisdictions that are defining them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Texas, Florida have passed.

Speaker 18 (01:07:29):
State wide laws saying they're not going to allow sanctuary
jurisdictions within those states, and yet some of them linger.
So you know, hopefully those state officials are doing what
they need to do to address these recalcium tran jurisdictions
within those states. You know, they have the leverage they
can cut off certain funding, so there are ways that

(01:07:52):
state officials can hold them accountable. And by the way,
the Trump administration asks for this list as well, because
they intend to hold them accountable by restricting federal grants
where appropriate, so that there are ways that we can
get these local jurisdictions to comply. But it's going to
take some effort. It's going to take some backbone on

(01:08:13):
the part of whether it's the state government or the
federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Here's my question. Some people have tried to say that, look,
you have a state, or you have a county, or
you have a city, and by a legislative action, some
formal action, they declare themselves a sanctuary jurisdiction state, county,
or city. Others say that if you look at the laws,
the statutes or the statutes or ordinances passed by states

(01:08:37):
and counties and cities, they'll tell you whether that's a
sanctuary jurisdiction or not. Do you see is there any
difference in your mind either between the two. Does it
require this legislative declaration that they are a sanctuary jurisdiction
or do you glean the information of which one is
and isn't by the laws that they have on the books.

Speaker 18 (01:08:58):
It's by the policy. Some of them, robertally, say yes,
we are sanctuaries. Others deny that they are sanctuaries and
yet have policies that mimic actual sanctuaried laws that are
on the books, so you know, if it wattles like
a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
You know that they will just.

Speaker 18 (01:09:18):
Sort of independently, without formally declaring themselves to be sanctuaries.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Adopt policies where they say.

Speaker 18 (01:09:23):
Look, you know, if the federal government wants somebody, they
have to get a judicial warrant. You know, that's kind
of a subtribute since these federal warrants are never issued.
You know that they are a law enforcement agency, the
Department of Homeland Security. They have the right to go
to any local jurisdiction and say, hey, you know, you've
arrested somebody who we want to remove from the country.

(01:09:46):
Unless you're going to charge that individual and put them
in a state prison, we would like you to hand
them over to us so we can get them out
of the country. And they say, no, we're not going
to do that because you don't have this judicial warrant.
So essentially it is, you know, it's an informal sanctuary policy,
but the net effect is exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
IRA. Thanks for joining us IRA with the Federation for
American immigration reform otherwise known as fair taking a look
at the new research that they've done on sanctuary jurisdictions
across the US. We are coming up on the Rotten
Greg Show. Let's talk about Canada. The playoffs are underway,
Stanley Cup playoffs. I know already there's a leader.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Yes with one one minute end of the game jumps ahead.
I'm so diega, Canada cannot win the Stanley Cup. It's
just not right. It's so on America.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, well Canada, What on earth is going up going
on in the country to the north? Liberals apparently in Canada,
and there are a lot of them, are embracing Islamic terrorism.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that is William Barkley. He is a political theorist, a
contributor at Real Clear Politics. William, thanks for joining us tonight.

(01:10:54):
Tell us what is going on in old Canada?

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:10:57):
Yeah, for sure. I think it have been for over
a decade, and I think that there's been very much
an aversion to confronting it or admitting that many capacity.
I think that aversion of that versions kind of persists
to pump. I think in a lot of ways We've
been unable to hold the Islamic fundamental or fundamentalism or
extremism at all accountable for its constant association within national
terrorism and grotesque and rights violations.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
You know, I it's one of I think President Trump's
it's one of the areas I just can't. I don't
totally disre agree with him. I'd have no desire for
Canada becoming the fifty first state. And I think your
article seals the deal for me. A four hundred and
eighty eight percent spike in terrorism related charges in Canada.
I was unaware of their schools, how well embedded these
schools are, these Islamic schools, and then this four hundred

(01:11:43):
and eighty eight degree percent spike in terrorism related charges.
Share with our listeners, what does that mean? What's a
what's a terrorism related charge? What's going on in Canada
that's finding it it could and is finding its way
into in the United States.

Speaker 11 (01:11:56):
Well, I think one of the most astounding stats. In
the past couple of decades, several hundred Canadian civilians have
been killed or injured and incidents related to violent extremism,
and within the last year alone, Canadian police have fulled
six terrorist blots. I think what this tells everybody is
that Islamic extremism isn't it all being curtailed or effectively confronted,
but it's on the rise. I think, like yourself pointed out,

(01:12:18):
Islamic schools in Canada, aren't it all compelled by by
any standardized perriculum, and so they're able to teach children
even really bile etisfects about let's say, Jews or anybody
who isn't themselves and adhere it to the Islamic fundamentalist ideology.
I think we even had a school very resource forced
to issue an apology for teaching children that the treacherous
Jews conspired to kill the prophet Muhammad, and that's just

(01:12:40):
simply unacceptable I think within any liberal democratic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Society, William, how did this get so carried away in Canada?
What happened that allowed this to happen?

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
Well, I think the liberal government very much refused to
at all adequately restrict or regulate international migration to Canada.
I think that the Trudeau government very much attempted to
use it in order to drive the economy, and that
that not work. In order to garner moats with various
communities again again, but either I think, like I was
saying before the post nine to eleven, it's very much

(01:13:10):
become forbidden to openly criticize the religion Islam or discuss
its inherent tension and the conflict that exists between orthodox
Islamic ideology and any liberal democratic ethos. And so I
think that with this let's say censorship well in place,
it's become impossible to confront the true problem. You can't
even discuss it. How can you even attempt to confront it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
You know, you share some disturbing some statistics during Biden's
time in office of those that were on the terrorists
watch lists that were apprehended along the Canadian border. Where
we have a new sheriff in town. We have President Trump.
He's using the trade relationships and potential tariffs as a
way to incentivize countries and in this case Canada, to
tighten up their border. Do you see this happening? Is

(01:13:50):
there's something changing in this landscape with a more secure
border and an agreement between the United States and Canada,
or is are or is Canada still behind the curve
on this and allowing people in and out.

Speaker 11 (01:14:05):
Well, so We're definitely still behind the curve, but I
think very recently we have at least paid lip service
to taking the steps towards maybe fixing the problem and
at least getting President from.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Back on our side.

Speaker 11 (01:14:15):
I think very recently Preme Minister currently allows enough the
Strong Borders Act. But again we very much have a
lot to see. It remains to be seen whether or
not anything is actually gonna be done in a concrete way.
I think the other thing that Canadian officials have very
much tried to tiptoe around is the fact that Canada
has transformed from a nation that sentinel travels through into

(01:14:36):
a nation that produces sentinel right. And I think that's
a very considering transformation, and more that Canadian politicians simply
are unable to or unwilling to confront. I think domestic
sentinel production, if I'm not mistaken, has skyrocketed in Canada
more than three hundred percent of loan since twenty twenty two,
and very recently at the border we seized enough chemical
to produce ninety six million dos to the sentinel. And

(01:14:57):
if you were to talk to any Canadian politician nowadays,
they tell you it's simply not a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
We're talking with. William Barkley wrote a terrific article in
Real Clear Politics about radical Islamic terrorism taking place in
our neighbors to the north, Canada. As you may or
may not be aware, of course, we had a horrible
incident in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend in which a
man who's in this country illegally attacked a group of
elderly members of the Jewish faith who were remembering the

(01:15:23):
hostages still being held by Hamas. And the media was
very critical of saying, well, we can't call it a
terrorist act. You can't call the victims Jews, you can't
call the man who did the attack and Islamic terrorists.
Is the media complicit with the government in what they're
doing when it comes to illegal immigration in Canada as well?

Speaker 11 (01:15:41):
Oh, one hundred percent. I think you hit the nail
on the head with the bregist censorship, and I think
you've also very well alighted upon one of the terrible
casualties of this reentrenchment of Islamic extremism in Canada and
very much around the world. That's the Jewish community, as
we all know, one of the cornerstones of any radicals
on the ideology or fundamental husband at all going to
mellochate design to genified the Jewish Jewish people. And so

(01:16:03):
in Canada we've had aty smitt cap crime skylalcke again
by six hundred and seventy percent twenty twenty three, violent
anti Smittic caate comes increased by two hundred and eight percent,
and eighty percent of Jews in Canada are now concerned
about anti Semitism and own communities. I think it's we've
had seventeen outpourns of jew hated per day after at
twenty twenty four, and so, like you hit the nail
on the head is long mainging extreme has very much

(01:16:24):
linked to these these these vile outpourms of terrorism and
jew hated that we've seen in America and Canada twenty
ey threty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
So here here's the here's the part I find. I think.
I try to stay up on the news. I try
to stay aware of things. There's so much in your
column that is news to me. I did not know
that that three hundred is suspected or known terrorists across
the border in twenty twenty four. Eighty five percent of those,
according to Cash ptel, the FBI director came from the

(01:16:53):
northern border that is being dismissed by prime Canadian Prime
Minister Mark Karney as baseless and fear mongering. So my
question is, as I'm understanding this situation a little bit better,
to what end? How do how does this get resolved?
If you have our our FBI director shot, you know,

(01:17:14):
clearly warning us that there's a big problem, and you
have the Canadian Prime minister saying that this is fear
baseless and it's just fear mongering, where what's going to happen?
I mean, is it going to take a massive terrorist
attack to get serious about our northern border?

Speaker 11 (01:17:28):
Well, it's funny you say that. Actually, I attack has
recently warned that Canada will likely experience a lone wolf
care attack soon with anti senmitism has as the motivating factor.
So I think that is definitely loving. I think the
other thing that not a lot of people really want
to confront it all is the fact that Canada and
now displayed the two quintessential homeworks of any failing state.
Like we've touched on already, we've lost the ability to

(01:17:50):
secure a border. We said we can't secure borders than
any in any great capacity, but where we've lost the
monopoly on legitimate use of force within our own borders.
I think it's McDonald lore Institute has criticized Canada severely
for it. It's lacked in its legal system, and it
seems to count abandoned any pretext of holding people accountable
for their crimes. Violent crimes in Canada at all time
high and and like we've been discussed in terrorism seems

(01:18:12):
to be permeating throughout the state. And so I think
that in order to really solve any of these problems,
there needs to be a frank and open discussion about
the fact that that Canada, the state is failing. We're
unable to secure our borders, and we're unable to again
maintain this monopoly on the legitimate use of force within
our on borders. And so we are very much one
of these failing states that didn't dictate before we are.
Selat cheeks help and with regards to Prime Minister dismissal

(01:18:36):
of the terrors who are in a security in intelligence
service itself and even coined the terms these people long
ago Canadian extremist travelers. And so I think that mister
Carney would have to take that up with Ceases himself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Yeah, I didn't realize it was that bad in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah, that's why you're going to quit cheering for Edmonton
here and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Stopped to cheer for edmund didn't cause I think they're
great Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Canada should never be a state and it should win
the Stanley Cup. And this border is a nightmare. Honestly,
eighty five percent of the most of the terrorists on
a terrorist watch list are coming from the northern border. Yeah,
are you kidding them? Yeah? Four hundred and sixty six percent,
four hundred eighty eight percent increase in incident terrorist incidents

(01:19:21):
in Canada as of last year, whatever it was that recently.
I just they have schools where they're not monitoring what
they're radicalizing the kids that are there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I didn't realize they don't control the curriculum in the schools.
No school schools apparently can teach whatever they want in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
It's unreal to me. And then to hear him say
that the fentanyl is not being smuggled in from Canada,
they're making it in Canada now then bringing it down
here to America.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
No, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm done. I actually I always
had against anyway. Right now it's it's really.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Why does the Trumpster want to make Canada the fifty
first state?

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Why would we want It's I swear he's just trolling him.
He can't be serious. You don't want two senators out
of that country, and you wouldn't want the representatives, and
you certainly don't want well. I mean, yeah, it's just
a that that place needs to stay Canada, and we
just need a wall. We didn't get another wall going.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Yeah, yeah, you feel better now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Florida is coming back, America is coming back. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Do you realize most of the players on Florida from
down there?

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
I don't care. I know where Florida. I know where
Florida is. I know where Miami is. I know that's
in the Fort Lauderdale, Miami area. This game or no,
they're playing up in Edmonton.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, they're in Edmonton to be there tomorrow and I
are no.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
It's honestly, that was one of that was an illuminating
discussion about Canada that that that I'm embarrassed. I didn't
know how bad it was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
We talk about the southern border all the time, that
northern border. Sounds pretty alarming to me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Yeah, all right, we've got another segment of the Rod
and Greg Show coming your way here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n R S. All right,
can we take him in and talk about this. We
can get time to talk about this today. But apparently
Nancy Pelosi is a little upset. What could why? Because
her lips were moving, you could tell that. That's how
I know she's she's mad at Pete haig Seth, the

(01:21:10):
Defense Secretary, after removing a gay icon's named from a
naval ship. We're talking about the USS Harvey Milk, which
is a tanker of some sort or I'm not sure
what kind of ship it is, but several years ago,
was it during Biden or Obama?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Who knows that I ever heard after Harvey?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Now, Harvey Milk was from San Francisco, first publicly elected
gay man. I believe in that city's history. And you know,
some whack some wacko got done and shot and killed him.
And he's an icon. He's he's a figure that the
gay community just admires for his courage about coming out. Now,

(01:21:51):
why I remember when they announced they were going to
name a ship after him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
I go, why I missed that memo? I never heard it.
It's the most contrived. It has nothing to do with
the navy. It has nothing to do My grandfather served
on a destroyer called the USS Kid. The kid was
there was a pirate named Kid. But there is also
an amiral that was named after the kid that they
named the ship after. And it's appropriate. It's an appropriate
name for a ship. There's different names that have some

(01:22:17):
kind of a name of strength, a name that's relevant
to the navy, to to wartime, you know whatever it is.
Harvey Milk, why don't you go get the USS rue Paul,
why don't you go get I mean, I have no
idea why someone that is iconic in the gay, you know,
civil gay movement, even if he was tragically killed. I

(01:22:39):
don't know how that merits the name after a naval ship.
I don't want to. If it's say he said, hey,
would you like the USS Citizen Hughes, I would say,
are you kidding what? There's no way, there's no way,
there's there's no relationship to it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Okay, there's another one out there. I think this is true.
I thought I saw this somewhere there is a UUSS
Ginsburg named after Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Supreme.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Court justice, maybe Supreme Court justice. It's a it's a
stretch for me. I wouldn't do it. I don't understand
the relevance. Again, we're back to well, I'll just say this, okay,
as long as the USS Clarence Thomas is coming, yeah, okay,
And let's see the left get excited about that one.
And if it's not, then then the one way street
doesn't work for me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Well, you usually you'll have ships named after generals, the Niemens,
there's several out there. You've got them named after state.
Salt Lake City used to have one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Didn't actually a sub or something, uh huh that they've
had two and the one that was that I one
was decommissioned. One was USS Salt Lake City was a
Pensacola class heavy cruiser commissioned in nineteen twenty nine, decommissioned
in nineteen forty eight. The one I was on was
a submarine. It was a nuclear submarine and it was

(01:23:52):
a decommissioned in two thousand and six. Boy, I must
have been one of its final journeys, because I think
I was on it in five. But anyway, it was
a submarine. And and yeah, but there hasn't been a
Salt Lake City since that was the last one that
was named after our city. But all that said, you
got me on a on a number of names, they
make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Harvy milk, get me to break a Harvey milk with
you on that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
One other note, fifty voters say in general, American society
is fair and decent.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I honestly, I think that everyday people are. I think
what we see in the news and what the talking
heads and the regime media are talking about is not
representative of everyday Americans at all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Under Biden this twenty twenty two, only thirty four percent
of Americans said that the country was fair and decent.
Under Trump, now fifty two, Yes, what's that?

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
There is a point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
There is a point.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
There is a statistical category that doesn't it isn't going upward,
that doesn't have an upward trajectory with Trump in charge,
especially after I hate to say it because I wish
I didn't want him to win, but when he won
and we let the loons, you know, get in charge
of the place for four years, I think the contrast
between Trump's leadership and what we had before, couldn't it

(01:25:08):
was day and night.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Yep, all right, that does it for us tonight. Thanks
for joining us on our new talkback feature Talkback.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
It's all the rage now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
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