The Rod and Greg Show: Latest on Charlie Kirk Investigation; Growing University Student Support for Violence

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So the person that was a person of interest that
was questioned yesterday after was released. He was released, and
so there's there's nobody that's been detained or at that's
been brought into custody as of yet. But I don't
know if you saw this morning, folks, but the assault,
the FBI Salt Lake office released some pictures video stills

(00:22):
of the suspect, the person of interest, and he looks young.
He looks like he's in his twenties, you know, anyway,
but he has a baseball cap. He's wear black and
he has a baseball cap on in sunglasses, so you
can't get a full view of a way is. But
if you look at his frame and you look at
he looks like he's a twenty something, yeah, young man.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah. Well, let's give you a rundown of some of
the developments if you're just joining us on your way home.
There was a news conference scheduled and update news conference
schedule at about twelve forty five this afternoon, and about
five or ten minutes outside before that happened, we got
word that they had suspended that and because of rapid

(01:02):
developments in the investigation, so we aren't sure what that means,
but obviously they means something. As you mentioned, Greg, pictures
are now out there. People are being asked to go online,
take a look at the pictures and let police know
if you know of this individual. A reward has been offered,
what one thousand dollars I think? Yes, Yeah, the FBI
is really said, as you mentioned, they found the rifle.

(01:24):
I don't know when they found it, but they announced
that this morning apparently was in a wooded area not
far from the campus, wrapped in a towel.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
And and interestingly enough, and I have this confirmed sources
that there were much like the way the assassin who
killed the CEO, the healthcare CEO had etched words on
the bullets and casings of the bullets that he was
he shot to assassinate the healthcare CEO, these casings had

(01:56):
messages etched on them as well.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, and what exactly the messages are we do not
know yet. Maybe a political ideology, We'll have to wait
and see.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
But would be a safe bet at this point.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
But that has now been confirmed to us that in fact,
that has been done. Cash Betel and Dan Bongino apparently
on their way here or already here. The head of
the FBI and his his secretary, our assistant deputy assistant
director coming out here to see what's going on.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
JD.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Vance has been in town today, will fly the body
of Charlie Kirk with his family and friends back to Arizona.
They'll fly back on Air Force two. People are stepping
up in all kinds of ways today, some very negatively,
and we'll get into that a little bit later on
Greg but Tucker Carlson pledging one million dollars to the family,

(02:48):
Elon Musk pledging to pay for the education of Charlie's
children at this point, so people are stepping up. The
President today announcing a Medal of Freedom will be awarded
to Charlie Kirk. So a lot of development surrounding this
just horrible story that took place yesterday down a UVU.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Do you think that if if a director Cash Battel
and deputy Director Bonging or in flight they're on their
way here, that there is an announcement that they would
be coming.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
From and that could be that's a good point to make.
I didn't even think about that that they could they're
waiting for because we're told there'll be some kind of
news update or update on the investigation sometime today. That's
what we were told that about twelve forty five were
suspending it doesn't mean it's off. They're just suspending it
or delaying it. And you may be spot on. They

(03:37):
could be on their way out to make a major
announcement on this case.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
So I you know, last night, as I sat and
stared at the ceiling, I just thought to myself with
in twenty twenty five, with the kind of cameras we have,
and I just thought in my I might get if
this if he came on to campus, he didn't drive
on campus, he was going to want to get off
of campus as quick as possible. There are residential areas
around that. You got I fifty on one side and

(04:01):
some commercial on the other. There's a neighborhood on the
other side of that campus. And I had just I
just thought last night, just thinking about that he probably
parked a car or had was picked up somewhere in
a more residential area. It looks like they were going
door to door. They I do believe that they're they're
finding a digital trail of this individual and how because

(04:21):
they know he did go through an orum uh residential
area to leave the campus area.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
That was said this morning.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, well there, as we talked about yesterday, Greg, there
are security cameras all over the place anymore, and all
they do is have to piece them together, almost like
a jigsaw puzzle. Okay, he walked here, What camera is here?
What camera's there? What can we see? And they put
that all together. There was video. Now we saw video
yesterday of a person lane on the roof, Okay, but

(04:49):
there's new video that we saw later today or I
think it was this morning of someone getting up and
walking off the roof wearing dark clothing. Again. So it's
all just it does take time to bring this all together,
and I think that's what police and bless their hearts,
you know, the knowledge and the talent they have to
put this all together and to find the person responsible

(05:10):
for this. Because I heard Meghan Kelly, she was on
with Glenn Beck this morning and she was saying she's angry.
I think we're all angry. We're all upset, but right
now we don't know where to put our anger. And
maybe if we have a suspect, someone behind bars, that
we can at least direct some of our anger toward
this individual and wonder why on earth he did something

(05:32):
like this, because I think we're all gonna trying to
figure out where we're going to put all our angers.
You don't you think so?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
No, Well, it might be you, might be Megan, Kelly,
might be everyone else. I have my anger firmly in place.
I know where your anger is directed. I've got it
all worked out in my head, where my anger is
coming at, where it's going. And I'm going to tell
you right now that the celebrations that I'm watching online
fuel what I said yesterday and I will continue to
say it, that this is not a both sides of
the issue. This is not both sides are doing it.

(05:57):
There's no moral equivalency anywhere. These leftists have embraced violence.
They either accept it, excuse it, or promote it. And
they have been doing this forever. They are assassinating CEOs
of healthcare companies, They are doxing people a Tesla Tesla takedown.
That I mean the endless that the endless violence, and
it is meant to make you afraid, it is meant
to make you comply. And I know exactly where my

(06:20):
anger is at, and I'm not gonna and I'm telling
you what they don't get.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Let me ask you, if you're angry at that way,
you don't do about it?

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, that's that is the million dollar question.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I can't do what I want to do about it,
So I have to be an adult, and so I can't.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I can't do what I want.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
But I will say this, and this is something that
I hope that we are at can or s able
to participate in as part of the iHeart family. There
was talked by Jesse Kelly, whose show comes on After Hours,
that should there should be another another event in Utah
and he and Clay Travis commented on his ex post
that he would like to come, and there were some
others that said it's the same. If we want to

(06:56):
show that there are more of us than of you,
you way to do it. There is an enough You
don't have enough lunatics on your side to take out.
How many common sense Americans we have that are going
to not be We're not going to bow and we're
not going to cower from you.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
We are going to go forward. That's I would be.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I would I would feel very grateful to be part
of that effort that would help, That would make me
feel like I could do something about it.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I don't know if anything going is going to come
about it, but like you, Greg, I saw that post
from Jesse saying, you know, we'll go to Utah. We'll
do something. Will show not only the people of Utah,
but the people of the entire country that we are
united in this effort, we are standing strong. You know,
we lost Charlie Kirk yesterday because of this, But out

(07:40):
of this, there could be a thousand more Charlie Kirk's
out there. There could be hundreds of thousands more people
who are willing to stand up for faith, for family,
and for this country because that's what Charlie Kirk represented.
And I think the American people, those who supported Charlie,
those who support the values of this country, are ready
to stand up and push back and say here and let.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Me just say that.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Look, I have friends that are Democrats that are not
okay with what happened yesterday. I'm not broad brushing every
single Democrat who is in saying they all embrace violence.
There's just too many of them that do. And to
my Democrat friends, I would say, and I have said,
you got to clean up your house because I'm telling
you we don't have this over here. You can talk
about white supremacists and on and on, all this qan,
on all these people I've never met in my life,

(08:23):
seen in my life everywhere I go. I'm telling you
the people that even a state senator that posted something
today on X who's again it's trum He's posting Senator,
you know, Elizabeth Warren saying this is all Trump's fault. Okay,
I can find inside of five seconds somebody on the
Democrat side that is that is celebrating or excusing what
happened to Charlie Kirk yesterday. I can't find that on

(08:45):
there is Again, there is no equivalency on our side.
And I am not trying to broad brush people that
that aren't okay with this, because there's plenty that aren't.
But inside that party you've got lunatics, You've got people
that are so worked up, You've got the most vitriolic
accusations been made about Republicans and people that just have
a different opinion than they do this. Charlie Kirk used

(09:06):
words to persuade. He debated. He welcomed those courts that
was unique to him. And I think that of all
the you know, thought leaders that we have that are conservative.
His approach in these universities, it was making a measurable difference.
That's why he was shot and assassinated. But that of
all the people you want to attack or try to
say was, you know, deserved it, as they do, you picked.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
The wrong guy.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
This guy was was genuinely interested in the debate. Yeah,
he was genuinely interested in having the back and forth,
and not in a way to shame you, but to
again introduce new ideas to poor these these college kids
who's you know, professors and everyone in their lives seem
to have one world view and there's no tolerance for
any other view.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Boy, we've seen that will give you a list of that.
The thing that drives me nus Greg. The Democrats now,
with talk of all this political violence, they say, you
know who started it, Donald Trump January sixth. Yeah, that's
what it's all about, me break And that's what they
point to you. You know, if he backs down on that,
then we'll start backing down. That wouldn't count on it.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
No, it's like a contrived a bit of logic. There's
so much violence that they've committed since then that that
one they just that's all they ever talked about. But
what we have had to deal with the riots in
La you name it, the way they docks, these ice
agents trying to enforce federal law. They have been excusing, embracing,
or promoting violence now for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, I amen to that. All Right, We've got a
lot to get to here on the Rod and Greg
Show on this Thursday afternoon, right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine ok NRS. Coming up at
the bottom of the hour, Steve Moore, economist, co founder
of Unleashed Prosperity and a one time and still is
a top economic advisor to the president, will join us.
He knew Charlie Kirk very very well. Mettlman's Charlie was

(10:52):
a what fifteen seventeen year old kid, and Steve will
join us and reflect on on his interactions with Charlie
and the events that happened yesterday. Now, as we were
talking about this yesterday, we had another school shooting yesterday
that we did not mention this taking place. I believe
it was in Colorado, and I think there were some
students injured. Greg. Yet another mass shooting.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, I mean they're coming fast and furious. I mean,
I was unaware of any of that myself, but we
should mention it because this is the kind of islence
that we're seeing accelerate around this country.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well as a result of what happened at the school
there in Minneapolis. Of course, calls for gun controls, calls
for more gun laws, but studies show that the link
between new gun laws and forever stopping mass shootings aren't
very strong. Let's find out why. Joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now is Peter laughing. Peter is a
contributor to The Washington Examiner. Peter, how are you welcome

(11:46):
back to the Rodding Greg show. Thanks for joining us, Peter,
hi Rod, how are you doing. We're doing well, Peter.
Thank you for asking.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
Peter.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
We had the shooting yesterday at a school in Colorado,
you know, and as a result of what happened yesterday,
the whole Charlie Kirkt thing, this debate about gun laws
and gun controls and study is there a strong link
but for about tougher gun laws versus safer schools or
safer office places.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yes, you know, I want to say that I really
get the reaction that people have on an emotional level
when they say do something after one of these terrible
atrocities occur. That's what kind of cries out in all
of our hearts when we see terrible strategies. I just
do something, Do something to prevent this from ever happening again.
The problem is is that given the unique circumstances of

(12:36):
our country and what we know from the laws that
are already in place and the laws that Democrats want
to put in place on guns, that gun control laws
aren't going to magically wave away the epidemic of mass shooting.
There is no legislative cure for this sickness. And so

(12:56):
I just want to say I get it on an
emotional level, but an intellectual level when you when you
look into the laws that are being proposed and just
the overall framing of the issue that that do something attitude,
it just it comes up short. There isn't much behind it,
you know. I.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
This is what I struggle with a lot a lot
of people on the left, Peter. They don't like what's
happening with deportation people that are here illegally enforcing federal law.
So they're uncomfortable with that. They think it's a heavy
handed or whatever. We have three hundred and fifty to
five hundred million guns in this country. What law what
would the law look like that you would you know,
sign and feel good about it when you assigned it,

(13:35):
saying okay, now while law guns are gone in America,
what would that law have to do to remove three
hundred and fifty to five hundred million guns that are
currently in the United States.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah, and many millions of those are untraceable on the
black market. So the studies that we have on this,
and we do have a few, there's there's one good
one from Northwestern Medicine from twenty twenty four. It looked
at what would what would be the result if we
had an assault weapons ban and you know, we have
a hard time to finding that term, but you know,

(14:06):
as it's defined an assault weapons been how many mass
shootings would that have prevented between two thousand and five
and twenty twenty two and the stay you found that
it would prevent thirty eight. We'll get how many mass
shootings there's been in that time, well, I love going
well over four thousand. So if you if you put

(14:26):
if you put an assault weapons ban on you know,
it would be a drop in our mass shootings bucket.

Speaker 7 (14:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
The only the only proposed law that even begins to
make logical sense is a gun buy back program. The
problem is that it's just totally unworkable. People Democrats love
to point to Australia in the nineties, there was a
mass shooting in Australia. I think it was nineteen ninety six.
You know, Australian government did a gun buyback program. I
got the guns off the street, and there's been very

(14:53):
few mass shootings since. And so they point to that
is that that's a success story we can replicate. But
as you're saying, the number that I've been working with
when I've been writing about this topic is four hundred million.
That seems to be a number of guns that most
experts can agree on. There are at least four hundred
million guns. There is no possible way to get four hundred.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Million guns back. Cannot happen.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
They set this expectation. Democrats set this expectation for their
voters that there's something they can do to ban guns. Okay,
but let's say we tried, right, Let's say we tried
a gun by that program. There are millions of guns
on the black market. That are never going to come
back in a gun by that program. So what would

(15:37):
you essentially be doing. You would be disarming all of
the law imbodying citizens and keeping the guns in the
hands of people who have them on the black market,
which is mostly criminals. Those are the two best ideas
I've seen, and as you know, as I found, they
just don't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, Peter, this idea of red flag laws, which Greg
I think we've debated over the years here in the
state of Utah, Gregan in the state legislature. I mean,
you know, they had a red flag law in Minnesota.
Apparently that didn't work very well, did it.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Yeah, they have. And most of these shootings happen in
gun free zones because of course they would, because that's
where shooters would target soft targets, So of course that's
where they would go for these things. But listen, I
you know, maybe I'm a conservative, but I'm a little
more open to some of these laws, say universe background checks,
things like that. You know that can be done constitutionally

(16:33):
if that, you know, helps slow down these killings. But
I'm not under the illusion that doing any of this
is going to solve this crisis. So when I see
Alexandria Cosio Quartets as she was today outside the steps
of the Capitol, she was asked a very difficult question
about the Charlie Kirk shooting, which you know, we're still

(16:55):
obviously all recovering from on an emotional level. How she
was asked about the violent rhetoric coming from the left,
and she turned it around saying something about, well, if
we did something about guns, there is literally nothing, nothing,
that would have stopped this person from getting one of
the four hundred million guns that is in circulation if

(17:19):
this person wanted to get one, Yes, and Peter, just
a lot of it's just deflection.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
And just a quick observation on that point. You know,
you could you could have made that Utah Valley University
campus one guns free, guns safe, you can call whatever
you want. You could have had metal detectors everywhere a
student walked. There was no metal detector on that roof
two hundred yards away. Okay, there's not one thing that
would have stopped that that animal from doing what he did,
no matter how strict of a gun law you wanted

(17:46):
to have on that campus.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, you're right, absolutely, And so what are you going
to do if for the people who are trying to
satisfy who want to quote unquote do something, what can
you do to begin to try to solve this problem?
And so to me, if we can't really do anything
about the guns in America, the guns are just out
of the bag. We need to start looking at the

(18:08):
people who are on the other side of the gun.
You got it, Start looking into people who are pulling
the trigger.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
You got it.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
And all of the energy that our politicians spent talking
about the guns and how little they spent talking about
the people who are pulling the triggers is one of
the most infuriating things that I witnessed as a journalist.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Amen to that. Peter is always great having me on
the show. Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the rest of the.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Evening, you too, God bless you guys.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Thanks you all right, Peter laughing joining us from the
Washington Examiner. More coming up right here on the Rod
and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Can ess boy, there are so many questions, so we're
you know, the hunt for this suspect. You know the
pictures that were released today, the gun that was used,
what may have been written on the rounds. I mean,

(18:53):
there are just so many questions out there, Greg, and
all kinds of questions about access and security. Now questions
are coming.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
One of my having been a student on that campus
a long time ago, I think most of those buildings
weren't there when I was there. Yeah, but you and
I we hosted we were a pre show debate between
McMuffin and Senator Lee. We've been on that campus the
other broadcast. I've been there to give speeches to students.
There's just been so many trips. We've had our Republican
Convention on that campus. If you told me get on

(19:23):
the roof, I'm going to tell you. With all the
different layers, floors, ways in. I mean, it's built on
a hill, so you have so many it's the architecture
is not very clean in terms of how you get up.
My daughter went got her degree there, her friend's been there,
I've been. Nobody would know how to get on that roof.
You'd have to be there a lot to understand, how
to get to maneuver, how to navigate yourself around strategically

(19:46):
to be on the right roof at the right place,
to know where you're going to do.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, We'll talk more about that coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show. But joining us right now is
our good friend Steve Moore with the Committee to Unleashed Prosperity,
also an economic advisor to President Trump and a good
friend of Charlie Kirks. And Steve's on our news maker
Line right now. Steve, where were you when you heard
the news and what was your reaction to it?

Speaker 9 (20:08):
Well, I think everyone is still heartsick, and you know,
I heard the news early in the afternoon, as many
people did, and I just, you know, I just couldn't
work the rest of the day, so I went home and
just mourned. I you know, I met Charlie when he
was seventeen, eighteen years old, when he's just getting started
with his political activities. And you know, back then he
is kind of a little bit of a blow hard,

(20:28):
a young man in a hurry. But boy did he
mature quickly and became a political dynamo by the time
he was in his mid twenties. It's hard to believe
he's dead at the age of thirty one, you know,
because I think, you know, he had the political skills
and talent and communication skills that he could have been
president someday.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
But to our young people, our kids are those that
are in their twenties, what do we say to them.
I mean, Charlie Kirk had a very unique approach and
he was drawing people in, even those that didn't agree
with him, so to really to have thoughtful to discussion
do we have. Will that continue or has this created
a chilling effect for that kind of speech.

Speaker 9 (21:07):
Yeah, that's a great question. First of all, I have
a similar situation. My son was one of the first
Purpole told me about the shooting, and you know it
was he really upset him. He's in his mid twenties
and you know, a lot that generation really grew up
with Charlie as a real mentor to them to get involved.
And by the way, one of the things that the
left keeps talking about me and why aren't people more
involved in politics, Why aren't they more well versed in

(21:28):
what's going on in the country. Well, Charlie did that.
He got people in politically engaged. But I guess you
can only be politically engaged if you're engaged on the left.
But I am worried about the escalation here. I don't
want to see that on either side you know, the
I've just noticed I was right before came on the show,
some of the really vicious stuff, even in his death,

(21:48):
that the leftists are saying about him, that he was
a and I semi and he was a racist, and
all of these really outrageous claims. And by the way,
you know, how can they say that he was a
ras and dig it and and you know, someone who
was antisemitic. When you listen to the rhetoric at the left,
it's hardly pro Jewish. So, you know, I'm still upset

(22:12):
about it. You know, I still feel real sad, and
I think everybody does. And and this, this kind of
thing cannot be tolerated in America. We have to figure out.
But look, there's an angry left that's in a rage
right now because Trump won the election, and I just
hope it comes down on both sides.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Steve talked about the courage he showed to go on
these college campuses and visited hundreds of them, and to
sit there and you know, very listen, very carefully to
their questions and be willing to share his point and
debate them and have a discourse with them. Took a
lot of guts.

Speaker 9 (22:46):
Team, did you know, and I've done that too. I mean,
I've been on probably one hundred college campuses over my career,
and it is tough because you're really you're a minority.
You know, you're you're someone who is not you know,
that position isn't always very well accepted on college emphasis.
But I really believe that he was highly persuasively. Here's
a great debate, or that's one of the things that
really drove the left crazy is that he want to

(23:08):
hit the debates with them because he used common sense
and he understood for enterprise and free markets and the
US constitutions. So boy, do we need more of them.
And I just hope that the group that he founded
Turning Point will continue and we will see. You know,
so many young people activated in politics because.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
So as we are at a crossroads, this could have
an effect. I had my son a similar experience for
me as a dad with a son just asking are
you kidding me? This man just talks. He doesn't he's
not elected, he doesn't have a job that impacts a
corporation and impacts people, or they might misunderstanding man talks.
He talks about concepts and having a hard time with it.
So at this crossroads where I think the whole purpose

(23:51):
has happened was to create a chilling effect because he
was having so much success. Are there other Charlie Kirks
out there? Are we going to become louder and stronger
in the face of evil or opposition like this? Or
sadly do people look around and do the calculus and go,
I don't know that it's worth it.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
I don't know that it's worth it.

Speaker 9 (24:07):
I think I think it's I think it's energized our movement.
Uh you know that they took down one of our leaders,
and we have to fight back verbally, you know, verbally,
not with fists, but but with our arguments. And I really,
you know, I really believe that. You know, I've been
on these college campuses. I've been shouted down. I've been

(24:29):
I've faced that. And one of the things that worries me.
I mean, I got a probable one hundred texts last
night saying Steve, you better get a you better get
security now. And you know, it's a scary world out
there right now for people who have been on TV
or you know, recognizable, and you know, I don't I
don't want to have to go through the next ten
years having a bodyguard or a security and worrying about somebody,

(24:50):
you know, shooting me. So it's it's a it's a
scary time, Steve.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Let me ask you. I think, and I'm old enough
to remember this. You and Hughes are not your youngsters
in my opinion, But Steve, it's our recall in his
the title of Kennedy's inauguration speech in nineteen sixty one
was the torch has passed to a new generation? Was
Charlie Kirk the bearer of the torch for this next
generation of conservatives?

Speaker 5 (25:14):
I hope?

Speaker 8 (25:14):
So?

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (25:15):
I mean, I've noticed that this generation is more conservative.
But the problem is the college campus is really not
the campuses, but the you know, the the teachers and
the university professors are among the most left wing people
in our society, and they really do indoctrinate our kids
with these ideas of government control and surrender of your

(25:38):
freedoms and you know, socialism, and those are totally discredit
ideas in the real world, but they still have a
real loud voice on college campuses.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
So is there any segue to any economic news at
this point? I mean, do we do we even have
our stomach to talk about this economy and all that's
going on.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
I don't know that I do.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm just asking you how you feel, honestly, what do
you see?

Speaker 10 (25:58):
They're good?

Speaker 9 (25:59):
You know they pick Trump is winning the time. He's good.
We're going to have Next year is going to be
a monster year for the economy. As the tax cuts
kicked don and you know his deregulations efforts were producing
more energy than any time ever before. So no, this
is a very healthy economy because we have pro business
president makes a big difference.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Steve Moore joining us. Steve, thank you very much. All right,
Moore coming up on the Rod and Greg Show on
this Thursday afternoon. We've been talking a little bit more
Greg about you know, the these photos that were released
today of a person of interest that police wanted to
talk to. But you and I have a lot of
questions about this. You know, if it appears he used
a long rifle, where's the rifle in those pictures?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
So were they taken? Where these pictures taken before? And
did he have the rifle stashed away somewhere? Were they
taken after? I can't believe they were taken after because
didn't didn't I think Beau Mason with dpsaid earlier today
they believe he went across the roof, jumped off the roof,
and somewhat hoow went into the woods and dumped that

(27:00):
So what is the timeframe of these pictures that they're releasing?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And just so you know, if you've not been on
that campus, it's built on a hillside, so where it
may be three stories on one side of a building,
it can be as low as one story on the backside.
I don't know specifically of this building, but that's something
that you'd find in that campus because of the hills
that's built into, so you could see. It's reasonable to
me and I have always believed that he had to
have gotten himself through the residential areas that are to

(27:27):
the east of that campus, because I didn't believe that
he would be amongst all the cars and all the
traffic driving up to campus and then sitting in traffic
with his car trying to then escape. I always believed
it so think that he had to dump that gun
before he got into those neighborhoods because it's a long rifle.
I mean, how are you going to carry that around
and not draw media attention to yourself.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
That's the question I have. How do you wander through
campus with that?

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
So I think he had to there had to be
some stagments prior to him being able to do that.
And Era he brought up that you can't take that
thing apart, put it back together and have a scope,
or if what didn't have a scope, if you're just
using the sites on the gun, build that and have
any aocuracy on the first shot and there was only
one shot.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, and how did you know how to get on
the roof?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's another question that is that is secret sauce that
I don't understand too.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
I guess there's a stairwell up there, but yeah, I
wouldn't know how.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah. All right, We've got a lot more to come.
Your phone calls coming up on the Roden Greg Show,
TOK Radio one oh five nine k n r S.
Police word schedule to hold the news conference at twelve
forty five today, they have pushed that back because of
these are their terms, a rapid development, fast rapid development
in the in the Charlie Kirk investigation. And Greg, we're

(28:40):
just looking at some video you and I just looked
at this. This is from TMZ and TMZ the Hollywood
you know, they get a but they're very they're a
good news organization. And they have released video of an
individual who looks, would you agree, Greg, a lot like
the person who's been identified by police with a foet today,

(29:01):
Like this gentleman walking through a neighborhood apparently not far
from the campus and limping. He has a backpack on,
but it sure does look like him, Greg, that's amazing video.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
It does in the limp.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
The timeline of that is is curious because it might
be if he's limping and it's because he jumped off
the back of the roof he would have it's a
story high.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
You can twist your ankle.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
If it's not, and that's just him walking to this campus,
then then the man has a walks with a clear
limp generally. Yeah, but yeah, that's it. That's that is
the same person that's in the and look, I mean,
I don't know if that's from a what did that
camera angle look like that was from a home or what.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
It seems that it's up in.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
The air, it looks like from a roof. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
So, by the way, I'm looking at video of the
Vice president and military escorting Oh yeah, Charlie Kirk's coffin
to the Air Force two and his widow standing by.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, I I mean this video, this individual walking through
this neighborhood with a noticeable limp. And you say, maybe
he injured it, if he jumped off the roof. Maybe
he had it because ah, there's another idea. Maybe the
rifle stuff down the leg of his.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Pants makes his legs so he has to kind of yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
He can't move it. Maybe that's how we hit it.
Who knows, so you know. And yeah, you're seeing this
right now of Charlie Kirk's body being loaded into Air
Force two, which is now on his way back to Arizona.
All right, we want to open up the phones to you,
but first of all, Greg and I want to talk
about what we've seen since the shooting yesterday. Heartless leftist
are just getting fired up for demonizing, you know, fired

(30:45):
by the left and right for demonizing Charlie Kirk. After
the death yesterday. Some of the comments out there, Greg,
are unbelievable. Apparently, is Blue Sky a new kind of
It's like it's like acts but at the liberal version
of X. Yeah. They even had to advise their people
to quit leaving such hateful messages on the website. Okay,

(31:08):
you had in in Boise last night. Now, we had
a very peaceful vigil here at here at the state
Capitol yesterday. I went to that last night. Did you
know they do like long yoga on the state Capitol
at that time of night. I mean I'm walking up
there and all these people are doing yoga.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
I never I haven't seen that.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, you haven't participated in that. We should go
up one night and do it with them.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
I will not.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
You will what you don't like the leotards any wear.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'd sooner have bad joints. I don't even know what's
what that's for. But I'm never doing yoga.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
But they're very peaceful vigil. A vigil last night in Boise,
A lot of people there. Some idiot starts riding through
it the middle of it on a scooter saying F kirk,
F kirk f kirk. Yes, I got the tarbet out
of them. What did you expect?

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Now?

Speaker 4 (31:54):
They're deranged.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I'm telling you there's a there is a there's there's
a problem going on. I'm looking at uh. I'm looking
at social media posts too, and and one of the
one of the angles that I'm seeing over and over
and over again is that in one of his debates
and he's defending our second amount of rights, people said, well,
people get killed, and he's like, look, you're not gonna
get rid of the guns. There's some of that that
that we is accept You're gonna we're gonna have to

(32:16):
take because we're not gonna get We're not going to
lose our constitutional rights.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
And so they're very happy.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
They're saying, oh, guess, uh, I guess that gunman got
to get to you because you didn't want to give
up the rights. You said it was an acceptable, uh
risk that we have to take and I'll lose those rights.
So I guess it's acceptable that you've been murdered. And
they're and they're celebrating it. And then you got this
Baylor coach. Have you seen the Baylor clach coach assistant
coach for for Baylor football coach.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
I think he's a football coach here.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
So it's it's announcing that that that Charlie Kirk has
been killed and he comments this makes me giggle. And
then and then the subsequent, uh, the subsequent people are saying,
that's a pretty more pretty disgusting thing to say you
need mental help.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
I mean, Pete.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
But no, this is going on everywhere. And this is
where again I had a question. Someone said, you great Hughes.
You said that, you know, not all the Democrats not
they're not all celebrating. And I've said, go clean up
your own house, because that's where all this is coming from.
And they said, there's no leftists that are not celebrated.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
They all are.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Well, the people that are Democrats that I'm that I'm
referring to, so you know, are people that I may
have served with in the state legislature who are Democrats,
people that believe it or not, It's not all rancor
and in vitriol amongst Republicans Democrats in the state legislature.
I know there's Democrats that aren't well excited, but were
happy about this. But everything I see is coming from

(33:40):
the left in terms of the celebration of this, and
it's so extraordinary and I don't and there is no
equivalency to this happening amongst Republics.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Well, I told you last night, I was at the
vigil last night I didn't see him, but I had
someone tell me that Brian King was there. Brian King
as the chairman of the Utah Democratic Party, former state
lawmaker that you used to work with, Greg. He was
there last night to participate this. So you're right. Not
all of those people on the left are like the
nut jobs out there. But I think those who do

(34:11):
have common sense should tell those whack jobs cool it.
And I don't know if they can. I don't know
if they Yeah, I don't either. All right, let's go
to the phones eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero,
dial pound two to fifteen and say, hey, Rod, or
you can leave us a talk mess talkback message. Just

(34:31):
make sure you download the app, the iHeartRadio app and
put it in can teress. Let's go to the phones
right now. Let's talk with Frankie tonight. Who's in Willard? Frankie,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (34:43):
Yeah, it was just so frustrating why they didn't put
his picture out sooner. It's like everybody acts like they
don't need help, but they didn't have the custody and
they didn't have any real good leads, and yet they
wouldn't put the picture out. It's very frustrating when they
continue to not get the help of the public when
this all could have The clues could have come quicker,
they could have come faster if they just would have

(35:04):
released stuff get help. They said, no, we're not gonna
do it yet. We're not gonna do it yet. And
you know that's what was reported. But yet they didn't
have them in custody, and they were saying, yeah, but
we're gonna wait, We're gonna wait, when the public could
have been helping sooner.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
No, that's that's a good point. I think in a
case like this, knowing Utah and our willingness to help
people out Greg. You know the thing someone said earlier today,
we need as much transparency on this as anything. We
still don't have all the transparency on the Butler shooting
in which someone tried to shoot and kill Donald Trump.
We need transparency in this investigation.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I believe we better have it.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I don't think there's any appetite for anything but complete transparency. Hey,
by the way, on the I'm seeing on the newswire
right now, uh that there's been shots at the US
Naval Academy going on right now that they're on lockdown.
Redshipman has been kicked out and the school and returned
to campus armed. Yea, So the madness continues. Let's go
back to the phone. Let's go to Bradley and Clearfield. Bradley,

(36:01):
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Hi, thank you.

Speaker 12 (36:06):
I just wanted to address the both sides aspect of
this you mentioned earlier and why that's wrong. Obviously the
last has a violent rhetoric tructioner threat and Brett Havnall
NX waters threat in Minneapolis if they got the verdict
wrong or in her opinions, So the George Floyd case.
But Trump also said in twenty sixteen a second amendment

(36:27):
people could take care of Hillary Clinton. He said he
could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any support.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well you think that when he said that in jest,
do you think that's the equivalent of what's going on
right now, that he said I could get shot in
fifth at I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and
get away. That you think that's the same as what
we're talking about right now.

Speaker 12 (36:45):
I'm not talking about celebrations I'm talking about violent stillcastic.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, now that's not even close to the same. That
is that is that is a sarcastic comment that you
just put This is the moral equivalency, Rod, that I'm
just not going to listen to hang up on this guy.
I'm not listening to someone take kick Yeah the bag liar, Yeah,
hang them up. That's the That's what I'm talking about.
When you have Toronoald Trump making jokes like that from
ten years ago, by the way, that was in the
sixteen campaign, and he's going to put that right shoulder

(37:11):
to shoulder with what we're seeing here today.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I can't listen to that. I cannot listen to that.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, and that's there's the Democrats again. You know Trump
said January six, okay, on Fifth Avenue.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
See, that's that's the that's rhetoric of hate. No, no, no, no,
you don't.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
You cannot take a guy's sarcastic comment and put it
next to the celebration of Charlie Kirk being killed.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's just a joke, folks. Get real, Brad and Ogden tonight, Brad,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Good? Thank you?

Speaker 8 (37:43):
You know how to thought that this might be the
conservative smartin Luther King, and uh, you look at the
parallels here and Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
He went, he was a peace loving guy. He went
and went the general public and they absolutely loved him.
And that was I think the reason why he was shot.
He was so effective with young people, but you know,
the liberals just could not handle him. So I think
that Charlie Kirk is going to be our Martin Luther King.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
You know, Brad, I agree, I Will, I'm sorry, is
that will, Brad? Brad, Brad, I agree with you. We
had a color yesterday that said similar things about RFK
really pulled the youth together and was assassinated because of
because of the threat of how persuasive he was with
the younger generation. The thing about Charlie Kirk, and I
probably didn't appreciate this before. I mean, I've always followed him,

(38:38):
but I'm not as closely, but he brought his faith,
his Christian faith into his discussions continuously. It was it
was there really wasn't a conversation you were going to
have with him about politics where he didn't intertwine his
faith and his belief into that into that conversation.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And not a shame to do so. And not a
lot of people are afraid to bring in their faith
and talk about God as openly as Charlie Kirk did.
What do you say, if you want to live a
good life, follow the ten commandments? That's right, It was
that simple.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Those college kids, He's like, get married, have kids, and
don't party yourself into oblivion.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yes, and Sunday another rule he had on Sunday he
put his cell phone away. Yes, how many of us
could do that today?

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I was gonna say mentioned that one.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
All right, we're gonna take a break and come back
with more of your phone calls. It is the Rotting
Grag Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Okay, an ras the search for the killer
of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk, his body is on his
way back uh to his home in Phoenix, accompanied on
Air Force two with Vice President Vance and his family,
Vice President Vance's wife as well, taking his body home.

(39:42):
But we're seeing some new video now that TMZ is
releasing showing someone who matches We believe the description of
the earlier photos put out by the FBI walking through
a neighborhood as he's walking in one direction, he has
a noticeable limp, could be hiding the rifle inside a
pan leg. Coming back, he's running in a field. So

(40:02):
all kinds of interesting developments taking place. We're getting your
calls as we continue to process this tragic story. We
go to the phones will As in West Jordan tonight
here on the Rotten Great Show. Well, how are you?
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Oh, I've been better, but I'm glad to be talking
with you.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (40:20):
I was there at the event and I just I'm
forever changed. I'm shaking still to this still, and I'm
appalled by the Democrats response online to this.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Oh it's amazing.

Speaker 13 (40:32):
And I want to know.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
I want to know if President Trump can declare, and
this is a serious thought, I'm very serious, if President
Trump can declare the Democrat Party a terrorist organization and
go after the leadership that have been promoting this, they
have been openly promoting violent against the Conservatives and the rights,
and go after their financiers that are funding them, like

(40:56):
George Soros and Bill Gates and all those other people
that are rich that are giving these people money to
do this. And if he could do that, it would
make everything so much easier with holding them accountable to
this despicable behavior.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Well, well, I don't know if he can do it.
I wouldn't put it past him. Greg, knowing Donald Trump,
I wouldn't put it past him. But I don't know
if he can do that.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
I don't either.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
But I.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
We have just got to quit trying to say that
it's everybody. Everybody's doing everybody is not doing it. I
don't have an equivalent of anyone defending somebody that's caught
on film on a subway, just you know, killing that
poor young lady. Can someone show me something like that,
because you got to catch and release liberal judge, You've
got to catch and release liberal prosecutor. And you have

(41:42):
people on TV right now calling that murder that animal
a mental health victim and someone that we have to
look at homelessness, and they want to spend so much
time talking about the killer as if he were the victim.
There's nobody doing that in America but the left.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Back to the phones, let's talk with Ryan and West tonight. Ryan,
how are you welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (42:03):
Good, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You're welcome your thoughts.

Speaker 14 (42:08):
Well, so, when I was fifteen years old. I had
an incident when I got shot in the drive by
shooting and the I don't want to call them to
talk about gang violence, but what I want to talk
about is the availability of the gun that these two
individuals were able to get. It was readily available. It

(42:31):
was not theirs. It just happened to be at somebody's
house that they used and it was when they shot me.
It was a twenty two long rifle. That was what
I got shot with. And it's one of those things
where you know, you talk about gun control, you're it's
just not it's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
No, No, it's not.

Speaker 15 (42:50):
You're going to do the You're going to do the.

Speaker 14 (42:52):
Best that you can, but to try to keep things
out of people's hands. But a gun sitting there is
not going to cause any problems. It's the people behind
the guns that needs to be looked at and analyzed.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Ryan, you were absolutely right. Would someone tell us earlier today, Greg,
they're like four hundred million guns in this country today,
How are they going to get rid of them? There's
no there's no law that's going to be you know.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
The arrogance of elected officials to democrats to think that
they could run a bill pass it that magically makes
all the guns in this country go away, or what
you're going to raise stormtrooper, everyone's house, turn all their
furniture right down looking for uh huh Yeah, let's go
to Jacob in Caysville.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Jacob, Welcome to the Running Gregg Show.

Speaker 14 (43:32):
Ah you, thanks for having me on so real quick.
I just wanted to talk a little bit about responding
to the guy who called earlier and tried to say
that what Trump said.

Speaker 16 (43:42):
Was an equivalents.

Speaker 14 (43:45):
I. I have sat for the last ten years and
listen to the Democrats do nothing but call anyone who's
remotely moderate or conservative or anything other than them really
just a fascist. And this has really put me over
to the edge where I'm just like, no more. I
can't pretend that, oh, yeah, both parties have problems and
are bad. They're the ones out there shooting and killing

(44:06):
people for having a different opinion. And to me, it's
just to the point now where I'm just so upset
by it that I can't I can't just sit by
and let people Paul pretend like you know, everything's fine,
and it's like, no, the evil's coming from your side.
It needs to stop.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Thank you, Jacob.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
You know, Jacob, you're exactly right. I hit that route,
I hit that tipping point yet as well. I'm not
going to listen to it anymore. I'm not going to
entertain that the blather that somehow this is equally distributed
across Americans, across this country.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
It is not.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I don't show me the Catholic school killing kids. I
want to know where that person. How many healthcare CEOs
are the right killing?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Tell me?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I mean the riots in la Oh, there's a Republican
riot you know, going on somewhere about opposing public safety
in Washington, d C. Show me where violence is being pushed,
whether either promoted, excused, or explained by anyone.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
But the leftists don't. I don't see it.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Where's the condemnation of the guy who's to have the
poor girl on that on that transit train in Tarlotte?
Where's the condemnation from Where's the condemnation?

Speaker 4 (45:11):
There's there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
You don't have to you don't have to condemn him.
He should be, But how about the judges, how about
the clerk, how about you know, how about the mayor?
Where's that condemnation showing us.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
They because at the end of the day, and it's
just like kind of Governor J. B. Pritsker said, Hey,
that crime, those killing field, that's kind of where the
you know, where they live. We don't have to worry
about that. Yeah, that's just that's crime every day. Don't
come here, Trump. We were fine with people dying every
single day in our city. That's what they're good with.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Lines are jammed. Do we get to more of your calls?
Coming up on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's
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Speaker 1 (45:54):
Let's go to to Abram and Fountain Green. Did I
say that right, Abram?

Speaker 15 (46:00):
Yes, yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
How you guys doing today?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Good? Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 15 (46:06):
Hey, love what you guys do. I just wanted to
weigh in on this. There's been a lot of division
over the past twenty four to forty eight hours now,
you know, since this event started my family, there's a
lot of division in that people believe in different things,
and it's been rough, and I wrote down a letter
to my family. I won't read the whole thing, but
I just want to give you guys a few snippets.

(46:27):
I felt prompted that one of your listeners is supposed
to hear this. But yesterday marked the pivotal moment for
our society. And now all of us, as followers of Christ,
let us not shy away from proclaiming our faith or
falter before the opposition we will truly face. It is
now our solemn duty to rise and boldly conf evil.
Christ gave his life for our so that we could live,

(46:48):
as did Charlie, and it is our sacred charge to
carry for forward Charlie's mission transforming darkness into light. We
are all God's children, even though lost in deception. This
is truly Charlie's turning point. And I say that in
the name of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 16 (47:03):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Wow, powerful segment, Apra, Thank you very much for that.
We appreciate that. Let's go to Chris in Spanish for tonight. Chris,
how are you welcome to the Rotten Greg Show?

Speaker 5 (47:12):
Oh? Thanks, guys. And then that's hard to follow.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, it is. It is.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Oh yeah, I wasn't gonna be emotional about this. First
of all, thank you for helping us deal with the
pain of this tragedy and now you're gread to report
it on this with Slimley and discuss this. It's very

(47:40):
important for the listenership. Also appreciate what Greg and Shawn
have done as well and claim. But the second point
is that it was great to hear Sean talked about
you today Greg and glowing terms, and that speaks to
your professionalism.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Thank you, so.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Kudos to you for that shout out. And then finally,
my main reason for calling was yesterday you mentioned that
we have lost civility. But the problem is that civility
is a virtue and it's typically not violated or abused
unless other primary or upstream virtues are first violated, and

(48:19):
those would be truthfulness, honesty, and integrity. And as we
can see in society, we have been conditioned by the
left to be untruthfral, to be dishonest, and to lack integrity.
And so for people to be saying we need to
return to civility, we first need to properly apply and

(48:40):
acquire those virtues of honesty, truthfulness, and integrity or civility
is not coming back.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah yeah, thank you Chris for sharing that information with us. Right,
we all would like a little civility in our lives today. Unfortunately,
in very immoderate times, it's difficult to find that. Back
to the phones, let's go to Jay in South Wever
tonight on the Rod and Greg Show. Jay, Welcome, thanks
for joining us.

Speaker 10 (49:08):
Hey Rod, thanks for taking my call. Longtime listener here.
The caller a couple of calls a go, he said
that we're at a pivotal point, which I agree completely
with that. Anyways, I'm gonna get straight to the point.
What you know, what what happened yesterday? Obviously that is

(49:29):
a terrible, terrible thing, regardless of what side of the
eyele you fall on. And I consider myself more of
a moderate. I think me and you have mostly we
mostly agree on everything. I do disagree with you on
a few things over the years, but over all, big fan.
But I've got to be honest here. I'm I'm equally disgusted.

(49:51):
I'm not a Mike Lee fan. I'm just gonna throw
that out there. I'm equally disgusted by several on the riot,
including Mike Lee and I just kind of wanted get
your thoughts on that, as you're a where we had
the Minnesota shooting a couple months back, where a couple
of local lawmakers were or one was killed. Anyways, and
Mike Michelle put out, in my opinion, a very very

(50:12):
disgusting tweet. Now, he did take the tweet down. It
did gain some traction in the media on that, But
I feel like a lot of the times, and one
of the reasons we're at a pivotal moment is we
don't hold and both sides are guilty of but we
don't hold both sides accountable. And I just I'm scared
to death of what we're leaving our children, our grandchildren,
et cetera, for the future. It's just everything is about division.

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When do you know, what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Well?

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Did I mean.

Speaker 10 (50:39):
It missed it? I don't miss in the every day
but oh sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, you know. I can't recall exactly what Mike said
as a result of that, but he did take it down,
and I think a lot of the vitriol. I still
believe jay come from the left more so from the
left than it does the right, and the right's not
completely clean on this, but of late that violence, and
I've got a SoundBite. We won't have time to play it,
but we have a senator from Connecticut, Dan Murphy I

(51:06):
think is his name right, He's saying, look it, this
is war. We have got to go to war now
for someone who is deranged, like obviously the person who
shot and killed Charlie Kirk yesterday. Here's words like that.
That's a call to action, I think. And that's how
people interpret this, and that's where I'm saying, I think
those on the left are stoking it a lot more

(51:26):
than those on the right. That's my opinion. I think
it's Greig's opinion too.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
It is And let me just say this, jameson that. Yeah,
and I really think that the word's fascist and nazi.
I think you're hearing that. You're not hearing that uniformly
across different parties, different people. I know that the tweet
that you're talking, the post that you're talking about, the
ex post that Center Lee made, I would take you back.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
He took it down.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
There was in that case of that violence in Minnesota,
there was a really difficult vote to get their budget balanced,
where the woman that was killed was the only Democrat
that came across to vote for that bill to pass
the budget, and her own caucus had demonized her and
criticized her for it, and it was so the immediate

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I think what we learned from there is we should
probably get more information before we jump to conclusions. But
the information then was it looked like she was getting
attacked so severely from the Democrats for voting for that
bill balance to pass a state budget, that that was
what was at the heart of that attack.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
But you're right.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
I look, the easiest job I have is that I
abhor all political violence and I always have and I've
been consistent with it, and both Rodd and I have,
and we don't have any time or space for it
at all. But what I don't believe is the case
is that we're seeing this in some equivalency happening from
both sides all the time.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I don't see it either. All right, thank you, Jay,
I appreciate your phone call. All right, We've got a
lot more calls to get to and we want to
hear from you tonight eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey, Rod or leave us comment on our talk
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on The Roden Gregg Show. Jamison, Welcome to The Rod
and Gregg Show.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
It's a pleasure to beyond offer my comments. I just
wanted to start out and say my best friend was
actually there by the stage when he watched Charlie go down.
And you know, I think the thing that hit me

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the most of all of it wasn't the fact that
somebody had done that, because with the amount of incidences
that have kind of become commonplace now with this type
of thing. The thing that made my gut twist the
most was how the particularly more liberal leaning side of
the crowd responded to this. They cheered, they clapped, they

(53:53):
made comments of you know, he was a jerk and
he got what he deserved, even while my friends said
there giving comfort to a young lady who watched the
slug Pierce's neck. And all I can say to that is,
you know, if you are a person who is trying

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to tout the ideals of more hate or sorry, less
hate and more tolerance within society, how are you doing
that when you celebrate the death of somebody else who
is only only submitting their free speech.

Speaker 10 (54:33):
That's right, you are how is ye?

Speaker 7 (54:36):
How is it you are anti firearm, an anti gun?
But when it's the person you don't like getting shot at,
it doesn't seem to matter. It's just the amount of
contradiction between all these leftist ideologies. I just sit here
and I say, look, my side will pray for you

(54:59):
even when you are doing wrong. That's the side I picked.
But when you sit here and you say you believe
these things, the fact is you don't.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Good points jameson Amison.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, you know, we've got some real thoughtful comments that
are coming forward here, and look, I'm just not going
to ignore I'm looking at online right now. You've got
these people that have have shirts of cartoon character characters
of Charlie Kirk being shot in the neck and saying
debate this okay, yeah on sale.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
You've got some of the most such vile comments that
are coming through the online right now celebrating his assassination.
And I'm not going to ignore it. You're not going
to tell me, oh, this is just the same. It's
it's everybody. We all just got to hug. This is
not It just isn't there's just too many and where
you find it. Don't give me some example. If you

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tell me it's Trump's fault, I'm not going to even
listen to that. But I condemn all political violence. I
don't care what party you're from, but I'll tell you
what I'm saying. It about the left all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
The volume and the intensity of this, I've never seen
anything like it. I mean, the pushback here. Un Let's
let's do a couple of our talkback listeners.

Speaker 14 (56:18):
Hey guys, I'm listening to my car on the way home,
and Greg, I cannot thank you enough for hanging up
on that freaking moron.

Speaker 7 (56:27):
You do that more often, I'm gonna be listening more often.

Speaker 14 (56:31):
Props to you.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I can't remember the caller, but boy, this guy got
after him. Here's another one.

Speaker 17 (56:40):
It's hard for us not to think that every single
Democrat thinks the same way that this shooter who killed
Charlie Kirk thinks when Democratic leadership doesn't stand up to
their own party publicly, and to tell them that they
shouldn't think like this. Otherwise, what else are we supposed

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to think that every Democrat is like that?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Boy that Greg, That is an excellent point, it's hard
not to think they all think like this when those
within their own party aren't standing up against it. I
haven't heard anybody stand up.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
We had a caller yesterday that pointed out that there
was a motion there was going to be a moment
of silence on the floor of the House and the
Democrats vote no.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, they don't want to have it. Yeah, Well for
Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
All right, We've got a lot more to come. Another
hour with you tonight here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine An Arrests. We've talked a lot about
the investigation going on right now as they search for
the killer of Charlie Kirk, and it's great to bring
our next guest on. His name is Chris Biota. He

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is a retired FBI executive assistant director, giving us some
insight into what is going on. Chris, how are you
welcome to the Rodd and Greg Show. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
Thank you, gentlemen. Great to be with you and your audience.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Chris, let me start off by asking you right now
is we're learning more about this investigation, a little bit
more about the suspect. What are you looking for right now?
Where should we be when as far as this investigation stands,
we're a little more than twenty four hours since Charlie
Kirk was shot and killed. Where should we be on
this investigation, Chris.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
What they're doing now is, of course, you know, they're
taking care of the immediate threat environment and they've been
gathering information. They're trying to recreate the circumstances leading up
to the murder of mister Kirk and then the situation
that developed after the shooting. So they're putting together those timelines,
they're interviewing people. They're trying to get bits and parts
of information where they can rebuild that story, rebuild the

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threat environment, and then try to identify circumstances and people
that can lead them further into the investigation until they
apprehend the shooter. That's very basically what they're doing. They're
also collecting a lot of technical information when it comes
to video, audio, surveillance, equipment, life and plate readers, all

(59:01):
other times of surveillance type of equipment in the area,
so they can use specialized technical tools to put that
information together and further support the investigative effort.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
So one of the things that we've been talking about, Chris,
and this is something that we need your expertise on
that campus. I was a student there. A lot of
us that have been there, how to get on that roof?
What stairwell goes? Where these are not commonly traveled or
frequented places. A lot of us who've been on that
campus many times would never know how to reach a roof.

(59:33):
Do you think in your estimation was he there for
some time? Was he spending some time on that campus
prior to that day or is that something that you
could deduce very quickly if you know what you're doing.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
I think that the person was given information and ran
that route. They had to run that route. It was
well planned. The egress route after the shooting led him
straight or he's the male gender, but it led him
straight from that rooftop through the parking garage. And there's

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a major interstate I believe, right by that area, which
gives him a great exit and movement path. And I
understand the airport's about forty minutes forty five minutes away
from that location in Provo and gave him a wide
variety of exit options as well. As we don't know

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for sure, but he may have had support, He may
have people waiting to provide transportation or logistical support in
getting away from the location.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Chris, what about the gun itself. The weapon itself a
long rifle. You don't walk around campus with one of those.
I wouldn't think. How about your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (01:00:44):
On that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
The rifle could have been prepositioned. It could have been
in position before the event started. It could have been
secreted depending on the type of weapons platform. If it
was one of the more modern weapons platforms, it could
have been down into component parts and carried in a
backpack or something of that sort. Or like I said,
it could have been secreted in a location before the event.

(01:01:09):
And I don't know what the exact security perimeter was
that was set up by the university and the local
law enforcement surrounding the Charlie Kirk Venue, so that building
may have been outside of the set security perimeter.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
So let me ask you this, and you know, I
think Director of Cash Pattel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino
might be doing things differently than what's been done before.
But what do you make of the reports that they
are on their way to Utah and Salt Lake City
there en route? Does that mean that there's an announcement
coming or are they what would protocol tell you? Are

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they here to supervise this or do you think something
might be breaking here soon?

Speaker 10 (01:01:54):
Hard to tell.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
I think they have a little bit different operating model
than previous directors and deputy directors. I think they want
to be more hands on and on scene and you know,
work with our partners and provide you know, that managerial
support and leadership. In the past, that would have been
left more so to the special Agent in charge of
the Salt Lake City Field office and maybe some headquarters

(01:02:17):
folks would have flown out to provide you know, support
and areas or from other field offices to augment the
investigative efforts. So I don't think that it means that
there's an announcement coming. I think they just have a
different approach.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Chris, How do they approach the You have several agencies
now involved in this investigation. How are the tasks divvied up?
I mean, how does this work? I mean FBI would
assume is in charge, maybe not, maybe it's local police.
How do they break up the various tasks given to
all the agencies involved here? What is taking place with that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
You have a joint operations center, you have a command post,
you have representatives from all of the partner organizations that
are participating and among themselves. One organization has to be
in charge. Yeah, one organization has to direct traffic, so
to speak, and all of the other organizations have to
kind of fall in place, play a specific role, and

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they all have to work on coordination of information of
what is being put out to the people in the
field doing the work, as well as how information is
being drawn back in to the command post so it
can be assessed, analyzed, and used for further lead development
or investigative direction. So it has to be one quarterback,

(01:03:34):
and I think in this instance it's probably going to
be the FBI, But it also depends on what type
of federal charges are brought and how the state and
local partners play into the mix.

Speaker 15 (01:03:48):
But right now it looks like the FBI.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
So some of the things, some of the issues are things.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
So FBI Salt Lake City's field office came out with
an image of this the person of interest this morning.
There has been since during this day video from it
looks like from ring doorbells or from homes security cameras.
Looks like the same individual that was walking through an
adjacent I believe it'd be to the east neighborhood of
that campus. If we're seeing some of that ourselves. Now,

(01:04:17):
do you think with the digital footprints that we all
create now in twenty twenty five, do you think that
this case is closer to being solved in terms of
identifying this suspect or this person of interest or is
this just things we're going to see over the course
of days that happen when you're looking for a gunman
like this.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Yeah, a couple of things on that. We live in
a digital world, right so, and we live in also
a world of ubiquitous surveillance, and we're always being watched,
listen to videotaped, our cell phones are registering with local
cell towers. There are many ways to track the what, when,
where of people in our society right now. I would

(01:04:58):
say that some of this footage is coming out by
the direction of the investigative teams. They're trying to hope
that somebody will recognize this person and they may give
them some investigative leads or in direction on how to
identify and then interview and talk with this person and
see if that's a person of interest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Or the actual shooter.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
One of the other things you'll see is that the
FBI and its partners have very specialized digital tools that
they can use to aggregate that information and develop lead
value from it. And of course I can't goin any
of that type of information, but rest assured that the
FBI and its partners have access to some very sophisticated

(01:05:39):
tools when it comes to digital analysis, biometric analysis, and
other types of identification protocols.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Chris, what are your thoughts? Love to get your thoughts
on the future of outdoor events like this. I mean, certainly,
we go back to Butler where we had a man
perched on a roof and attempted to assassinate the president.
A similar case here. I mean, if you have an
outdoor event, are you going to have to have a
police officer or someone from law enforcement stationed on almost

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every roof surrounding that event? I mean, what do you
see the future like here?

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
What I see is that the logistical difficulty and cost
of providing that type of counter surveillance counter sniper operations
will preclude the type of events from being primary venues.
You'll see a lot of events will move indoors where
it's much more manageable to screen people in and out

(01:06:37):
of the venue. It's much more manageable to protect the
principle so to speak, who are there as the speakers
or the guests of honor. And you can manage that
type of environment much easier than you can an outdoor environment.
Like I said in Butler, that was a disaster and

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you saw how things kind of went there. So I
think you'll see that for people like you know, mister
Kirk and others, they don't they don't generally have the
resources to provide a secret service type of protective environment
with law enforcement and other maybe military assets. So you're
going to see some of these events will start moving indoors.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
So predictions from all that you've seen and all that's happening,
we're just I don't know what community would be used is.
We're just not used to something like this ever happening
in Utah. But all eyes and ears are on this.
We want to see this shooter found. Do you think
we're in for a long slog or do you think
that with the resources bring brought to bear, we may

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have someone in custody soon.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
Well, my hope is that we will have somebody in
custody soon. But I just I can't make a valid
prediction on how long it will take. If this individual
had external support and assistance, and this individual was trained
in certain I would say tradecraft or certain behaviors, it's

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going to be much more difficult to locate and apprehend.
So I think the investigative efforts a little bit early
at this point to properly characterize what kind of individual
this could be. And I hate to get ahead of
myself a little bit. I know, you know, we had
some communication flubs about you know, people in custody and
people of interest and everything. I just think the e

(01:08:30):
I have to push forward, investigate this with the highest
level of aggressiveness and assertiveness, bring all of their tools
to bear with our law enforcement partners and do what
they do best, and that is they are manhunters and
they're going to find this person.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Chris, thank you for your insight. We appreciate your time.
Enjoy the rest of the evening.

Speaker 15 (01:08:50):
You do the same.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
Thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Have a great night, all right, Chris Piota. He is
a former retired FBI executive director. Here in the rodin
Gregshaw more coming up on Utah's talk radio one oh
five nine. Kay An arrests ninety years greg before the
day and assassin killed Charlie Kirk, So ninety years ago.
What was that? That would have been on Tuesday? Right?

(01:09:12):
An assassin gunned down Governor Huey P. Long of Louisiana,
oh in the lobby of the State House. Yeah, in
the lot. His son Russell said this, and I think
this is very as we debate what do we do
and where do we go forward? He said this, it
is the ballot rather than the bullet, which should determine
America's destiny. It's an idea that we need to commit to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Look, I think I've seen some things appears of mine
people that where they're learning in real time that their
young adult kids were listening to and following Charlie Kirk
maybe more than we I certainly more than I understood.
And some of the things I'm reading or hearing from
friends more than they understood. Because I think these younger
this generation Z, I think they've been impacted in a

(01:09:56):
hard way what's happened here. And I do think that,
and I think what's really stuck out at least what
I've heard is he was talking. Yeah, he wasn't. He
didn't have control or power over anyone. He didn't have
he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
He's talking.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
He was talking.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
He was speaking, and he wanted to speak, and he
wanted to reach out and talk and he wanted to
have that debate and he was gunned down for it.
That is hard for me to understand or for me
to accept in this country. But for our young people
where they were embracing this and enjoying listening to the
the you know, the debate and the diversity of ideas,
it's hitting our young people really really hard.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
And it's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
And I agree Greg, I think it's kind of canny
in a way. But the connection of a Charlie Kirk
to the young people of today and RFK yes back
in what was he was killed in sixty eight and
the draw that he had of young people he energized.
I mean, Eugene McCarthy tried to do it. He couldn't
LBJ he was he was out of the raids. Kenny

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was able to energize the young people in the Democratic
Party and what Charlie Kirk has done as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
It is and that's a big threat if you look
at the leftist, if you look at agendas that are
meant to tear down our foundational institutions, you need young
people to carry that through. And if you're losing the
hearts and minds of young people, that's the greatest threat
to the leftist is they know?

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
All right, We've had a lot of callers today in
talkback comments being made. Let's listen to a couple of
talkback comments.

Speaker 18 (01:11:24):
Hi, Rod and Greg, this is David from Hurricane Utah
and I just listened to what Stephen Moore had just
said on your program about how the universities are where
some of the most leftist people are, and I just
wanted to say that maybe the Republican legislature in Utah
should stop funding these universities that are employing all these

(01:11:46):
hard leftists, and maybe that would make me one way
we could make Utah a little safer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Well, you know as well as I know, Greg, that's
a concern of Utah lawmakers when it comes to what
is being taught and what is been utilized at Utah's
colleges in the university. They're concerned about it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
So and I know that our legislature started pushing back
on DEI departments and everything else a couple of years ago.
And at first they started they were they were bristling
at it. Then they realized, and they realized pretty quickly
that the legislature was serious, and then they started the
game of change, changing titles, leading it in place. I
think they're even going through that now and trying to

(01:12:22):
get that out, But that is an ongoing effort by
the legislature. But I'm telling you it's still it is
that still liberal bashing these kids. If all they ever
hear are from those professors, they are getting one worldview
and and you and if you have a different one,
then you suffer from a moral or intellectual failing if
you have any other worldview than theirs. And that is
a pretty tough place for these kids to uh to

(01:12:42):
get a degree in the environment.

Speaker 19 (01:12:44):
Here's another comment, Rod, I just want to say how
much I applaud your fire tonight and the way that
you hung up on that caller, because none of us
want to hear that crap anymore. And like you, I'm
equally as ticked off in this painous hacked self, but
even more so with the reaction that it's caused. And
you only see people on the left react this way,

(01:13:07):
and then they call us hypocrites and they don't see
their own hypocrisy and their own actions.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Well, I appreciate the shout out, but I think it
was you, not me that got angry.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
You get well, I got angry, but you hung them
up because you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Got to control over there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
He actually stayed on longer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
If I had, if I had have had the eject button,
I to hit that before before he had another word
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
But he was trying to fire you up a little bit.

Speaker 20 (01:13:33):
Here's another coming, Hey, Rod and Greg, this is Jeremy
from American Fork. Just want to make a quick comment
about the people who are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. Remember,
fifty percent of Democrats said it was okay to assassinate
their political opponents. This is a death cult. They may
try to claim it's only a friend's minority, but you
don't make your bed, you don't alliance yourself with people

(01:13:55):
that way. They want power so badly that they will
lie up with people who want violence. That's an issue
we need to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, does the Democratic Party want violence? A lot of
people will say they do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
I I'm to there is no question. And that's where
we have to start talking about good and evil. And
I think we're just going to have to call it
out and the people are offended by it. I'm to
the point now where I'm not going to soft shoo it.
I didn't think I was before, but I can't watch
what's happened here and not call it for what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
And it is evil. And here's the part I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I am also finished done or listening to them say, oh,
you're exploiting I got this cost a joker on here
that where he says conservative conservative Republicans are exploiting the
the assassination of Charlie Kirk, exploiting it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Do tell how would how would we exploit that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
We are we are just collectively reviled, upset and angry
over it. That's not exploiting anything. That's that is that
is a natural response to in the face of evil.
And what they're trying to do is make you feel
bad for how you're feeling, or if you're complaining out
loud and saying I'm not going to put up with it, well,
then then you're again, once again, you're the problem that
you even noticed or had the nerve to complain.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Well, remember this Greig. Violence creates chaos. Yes, chaos creates fear.
Once fear is created, people are looking for someone to
protect them. Where the Democratic parties? What do they believe in?
Big government? And they big government will protect you. That
is not what America is all about. Remember Tim Kaine
last week saying your rights don't come from God, they

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come from government.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
The governor of before he was a senator and he
has no idea that's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
What they believe in. Yeah, all right, mare Coming up
the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine Cannas, the FBI may be holding a news
conference here in a short while. We don't have an
exact time as of yet. We're keeping our eye on
that for you as well. Thanks for being with us today.
It's been another busy day. Great input from our listeners.

(01:15:55):
We appreciate your calls, your comments, either on the phone
or talk back or email.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
I'm brought our quet, I'm citizen Greg Hughes. I do
appreciate the talkbacks. We have a lot of talkback comments.
I wish we had time to play them all, but
we do appreciate you leaving your comments. They we listen
to them, but we try to get as many on
the air as we can. But I do think it's
really important. We love the calls, but and then if
you take the talkbacks and we combine it, this is
the discussion that I think we should be having right now.

(01:16:23):
And I don't think there's any other place, and you
tell you're going to have this discussion. So I appreciate
our listeners and our audience for being here, particularly this week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Charlie Kirk has visited hundreds of college campus is greg
over the couple of the last couple of years. With
its turning point in USA, he loved to engage with
college students. But we're finding out, according to a new
study that we're about to talk about, is that college
campuses anymore have not been a place for free expression
of ideas and exchange of ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
No, it's not, and I've seen we've seen this. I've
never thought it was that free of the speech. I mean,
it seemed to be the only speech that they've that
was free was the speech they liked. Yeah, not anyone else's.
But it seems that whatever I thought, it's even getting
worse than that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Now joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about that.
As Sean Stevens, he's the chief research advisor for the
Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. Sean, thanks for joining us.
You just just did a brand new survey taking a
look at free speech on college campuses. What'd you find out?

Speaker 16 (01:17:23):
Well, I'll first say, you know, fires thoughts are with
Kirk's family, and you know, we should all remember that
a wife lost their husband, two children lost their father,
and violence is never acceptable. So I'll just read off
with that, and then yeah, we've been doing surveys of
undergraduate students for the last six years. We started in

(01:17:46):
twenty twenty. The idea of this is to compute a
free speech score for each campus and rank them. And
we've included every year questions about power about whether or
not different kinds of controversial speakers should be allowed on campus.
And so we basically it's like someone previously said X,

(01:18:08):
and it's a controversial statement, and we you know, should
this person be allowed on campus? And there's four different
options that students can select. And then we also ask
about and probably what's more of interest to the news
is we ask about the acceptability of kind of different
forms of disruptive protest tactics, including using violence to stop

(01:18:28):
a speech, and what we've yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yeah, And what did you find out with those two questions, Sean,
summarize that if you would.

Speaker 14 (01:18:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
So we.

Speaker 16 (01:18:41):
Broadly, we generally ask about six to eight controversial speakers
each year, three you know, half offensive to liberal students,
half of them offensive to conservative students. For the first time,
we generally, like the friends on that have been fairly
bagnant where we're awns. This kind of sticks around the

(01:19:01):
same levels, has improved for some speakers over the years,
but not really nothing to write home about. But then
this year, for the first time ever, we found not
a single speaker got above fifty percent support from students,
and the percentage of students saying that all six speakers
we asked about should be allowed on campus was at

(01:19:23):
the lowest level ever. And then the more kind of
concerning I think statistic that we have is we asked
three different We asked about three different forms of top
of protest, shouting down the speaker, physically blocking entry to
an event, and like I mentioned, using violence to stop

(01:19:43):
a campus speech. I'll make sure to be clear that
we ask students if it's acceptable with other students do
these behaviors, So we're not asking if they would personally
do them. But basically and short of it is, in
twenty twenty two, we had twenty percent of students saying

(01:20:05):
using violence was at least rarely acceptable to stop a speech.
The only appropriate response in our mind is never acceptable,
which is one of the options. And this year that
number is up to thirty four percent. And that's what
that's the concerning number I think, And I'll give it

(01:20:29):
to you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Now, Yeah, our students been said, really maybe one mindset
or one one worldview without there being any robust debate
about different ideas. Where do we stand it? It might
be even worse now, But where what's the norm? What
should we expect?

Speaker 16 (01:20:46):
So I think it's it's gotten worse over decades. If
you go back to you probably need to go back
to the nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties defined when you know
your faculty on campus were probably, you know, poetically, probably

(01:21:07):
fairly evenly distributed across the spectrum. Students actually probably back
then were even slightly a little bit more conservative. But
since then, I think we've seen with faculty, we've kind
of seen this progression where you're going from, you know,
something like maybe like one point five to one or

(01:21:27):
two to one ratio of left waning to right waning
faculty too, you know, in overall something around I think
eight to one today and then in a lot of
other disciplines though that that's much higher.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Yeah, Sean, you much. Yeah, yeah you said, you said
you've been doing this research now, I think for six
years as it came in this year. What really surprised you?
What what set you back when? Wow, didn't see that
one coming.

Speaker 16 (01:21:55):
Two of the few things that we're talking about right now,
like the percentage of students with the tolerance questions and
the acceptability to protest. Like I said, the towerance of
the political towerance of the speakers is at wellest levels
we generally recorded, and the acceptibility of these these three
disruptive tactics are at the highest levels. So that's surprising,

(01:22:18):
you know. More broadly, it's like, I don't know if
it's necessarily surprising given what our work involves and how
much we've criticized and been on colleges for a few decades,
But the majority of school's got f in our report,
and largely that's because they don't do the bare minimum
to protect the First Amendment on campus with just the
policies they have on the books, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
So there's I think that what Charlie Kirk brought to
these campuses in America was actually a thoughtful debate. He
didn't belittle, that wasn't an argument. He actually invited and
would enjoy to have some of the hardest questions that
people could say, students could think have been brought to him,
and they'd have that debate, which is very different than
you see on maybe talking heads at night, on on
you know, on talk ship, cable news or whatever. But

(01:23:04):
there's there's a difference between that and having these debates
and some of the vitriol and some of the things
I'm seeing right now where people are celebrating his his death,
or there's just some has social media and our ability
to communicate anonymously or at least far enough away that
you don't have to look the person in the eye
that you're speaking to, has that harmed actual freedom of speech.

Speaker 16 (01:23:27):
I I'll speak as a social psychologist, as a PhD
in social political psychology. Make it clear that I'm speaking
of myself, not not for fire.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Here.

Speaker 16 (01:23:41):
I think there's there's probably a lot to that idea.
I think, you know, as someone who went through college,
basically Facebook was created like when I was like a
senior in college, so you know, I didn't have social
media in college thankfully for sure. But yeah, I think

(01:24:07):
while there's a lot of I don't want to sound
with someone who's just like overly critical of it, I
think there's a lot of good that it does create
and and you know, allows for in society. But I
also do think it, like the idea you're getting at,
I think there's there's something to that. This this this
way of being able to drum up outrage mobs that

(01:24:31):
because it's online and through social media and now it
can go viral to not like you know ten, you know,
not like fifty people who are in the local community
and they're maybe pestering the college to do x y Z.
Now it's tens of thousands of people all over the
place sending in whatever it's a you know, sensor this speech,

(01:24:53):
sensor that speech, you know, do this, do that. Yeah,
I think that that's it's creep. That's a a tool
or a weapon that people who want to kind of
organize censorious mobs can.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
Use, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
So much for a free speech Greg on college campuses
apparently doesn't take place anymore. No bad, too bad. More
coming up on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine Canteras. We are understanding
now that the FBI is going to be holding a
news conference at approximately seven point thirty this evening. That
is a not a set time as of yet, but

(01:25:29):
that's what we're getting. There's also new video being released
tonight of what is believed to be the suspect in
this case walking through a neighborhood with a limp. We're
trying to figure out what that is, and then later
video shows them running through a field, so we aren't
sure if the limp was caused by his attempt to
hide the rifle he was carrying. We don't know that

(01:25:52):
as of yet, but new video is being released there.
And Charlie Kirk's body is back in Phoenix, taken there
today on Air Force two accompanied by the Vice President
and his wife, along with Charlie Kirk's wife back to
his home in Phoenix where he'll be laid to rest,
and he arrived just a short time ago there in

(01:26:12):
Phoenix tonight. Now, before we go tonight, I want to
share with you. Hey, someone found this and shared this
with us today. This had come in from Rush Limbaugh.
This was back when he first met Charlie Kirk. There
was a TPUSA convention taking place not far from where
Rush broadcast there in Florida, and he talked about meeting

(01:26:32):
Charlie Kirk on the golf course and then his thoughts
about Charlie Kirk after he met him.

Speaker 21 (01:26:37):
This is the kind of guy that you can see
really becoming big in politics as he gets older. He
just has the carries the person out of the charisma.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
You may think this sounds.

Speaker 21 (01:26:54):
Weird, but I remember when Bill Clinton became president, all
of these stories about Bill Clinton at Oxford and Bill
Clinton at Yale, and Bill Clinton here and all these
people who went to school with him. There were a
story after story after story where people were saying that
they just knew Bill Clinton was going to be president
someday in college. He just had that kind of ambition

(01:27:18):
and he impressed people. And I'm telling you that people
say the same things about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Kind of a nice endorsement from Rush on meeting Charlie
Kirk and his impressions of the young man.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Yeah, I do. I am.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
I just think that as much as I want to
believe and I hope that we have so many Charlie
Kirk's coming up. Sometimes I think, like a like an
Andrew Breitbart, there's just some people were not gonna or
rush or rush or rush Limbaugh. There's just some that
we can get close and we can continue the work.
But these are individual souls that I think we were

(01:27:54):
pretty lucky to have for the time we did.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, we are all right. That does it for us Tonight,
head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family.
Thanks for joining us on this Thursday. It is thank
Ronning Breg. It's Friday tomorrow. It all starts at four
and we'll talk to you then

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