The Rod and Greg Show: Manhunt for Brown University Shooter; Getting Ricker Made Teens Less Free; Marijuana

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, it is great to be with you on this
Wingman Wednesday afternoon. We've got a lot to talk about.
The President will be speaking to the nation here in
a little bit less than three hours, and you'll hear
that live right here on Talk Radio one oh five
nine Kate and r Ask, And can I just say
before we can get into the show, it is one
but ugly day on the outside, it is. It is
just crazy out there today.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
So I what I love about Utah different than Pittsburgh
where I Southwest Pennsylvania, where I grew up, is that
the cloud. The cloud seemed to move in in November
and you never saw the sun again until maybe late May,
beginning of June. But I didn't know you could wear
sunglasses in the wintertime until I moved to Utah. So
I've enjoyed and we enjoy a lot of sunshine wed

(00:42):
in the fall months and the winter months. But today
reminds me of a Southwest Pennsylvania day where it's just
gray skies and you know, there's no sun.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, sounds like Seattle.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
And then the wind's blowing like crazy. I think Dorothy,
I think I saw her here in her house, flyining
by on my way into the station and it's been raining.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's just been yeahs, one of those ugly days.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Well, we've got a lot to get to today. We'll
bring in the latest on this bizarre story out of
Rhode Island, the Brown University investigation. What's going on there
we'll talk about and this should be fun because we're
going to open up the lines to our great listeners
and talk about this today. Greg, why is it that
we don't give our kids the freedom that we enjoyed
when we were kids? Or tried to figure that one out.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's you know, I haven't I've always joked about it,
but I haven't really given it a thorough examination like
the author of this piece has, and so I look
forward to that discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's going to be a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
A little bit later on, we'll talk about the Paris
Climate Deal. It is a disaster. It was ten years ago.
We'll talk about the anniversary this week, and we'll talk
about marijuana and the drive by the President. Indications are
you may change the scheduling of marijuana before the end
of the year. We'll get into that as well and
what that means. But I want to start off the show.
We want to start off the show today, Greg, We've

(01:55):
been looking at this video. I'm not sure if people
are aware of this, but it happened, I believe, at
a Target store in Chico, California. I don't know where
Chico is. Do you know where Chico is? Is it
northern California? Is it near the Bay Area area?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Actually? I tell them, yeah there.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well here here's this woman, an employee, and you know,
they're encouraged to wear red because we know what Target
is all about, you know. And she was wearing a
red T shirt. Now, the T shirt was a Charlie
KIRKT shirt. It said freedom on the front, had his
name on it. On the back there was American flag. Well,

(02:33):
apparently that ticked off one very leftist nurse who is
a customer at the store at the time. Listen to
this exchange and how this nurse just went after this
employee for wearing a Charlie Kirk T shirt.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
They let you wear that shirt shirt? Yes, Why why
are you taking to my picture? Why are you wearing
that shirt? You're working. It's red shirt. I can wear red,
any red shirt. It's not a plane shirt. It doesn't
have to be so Charlie kirksher. Yes, oh yes, I know.
He stupid. No, why the fun would you wear that?

Speaker 5 (03:10):
You're at work Target, that's not a Target shirt, it's
not a plane red shirt.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
You support a racist, it's not racist. You support a racist.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Yes he is.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yes, I'm sorry, but sat here and arguing you're not.
You should go get your manager.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
You should not be allowed to wear the atwork. Unacceptable, unfunacceptable,
that's your The opinion is he's a fun racist and
you support him, and you should. You should not be
allowed to wear that. This is going to be taken
above your forehead. That's insane, insane and.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Can you believe that? Here is nurse Okay, she's shopping
at a Target store. This employee is berated because she
was wearing a red Charlie kirk t shirt. Right. Two
things I think of. First of all, this store employee
handled this very very well.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
She sure did.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I could not have done what she did. She was
very kind, she didn't overreact. She said I'm allowed to
wear this, ma'am. He is not a racist. And she
said have a nice day, and she walks away, and
this nurse continues to go after her. Right. Second point,
I want to make if if you have something happen
to you, maybe you're injured or you're sick, and you
need to go to the hospital, and you may be

(04:36):
wearing a maga hat or something, and this nurse is
the one who's going to take care of you, how
do you think she's going to treat you?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I mean, it's it's it's such a it's really If
it's not insane, it's immature.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I mean I think it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
But if it's not nuts, if someone thinks that that's
maybe too too heavy of a description or to too drastic,
well then it's incredibly sophomore, incredibly immature to think. Again,
this is one of these common traits that we're seeing
on the left now in these elitists, is that if
you don't share their worldview, then you suffer from moral
failings or intellectual failing and I and it is just

(05:16):
the most selfish, the most immature worldview to think everyone
has to agree with me, there can be no daylight.
And if they don't, they're racists. Their biggests there, they're misogynists.
There's something you know, they have a moral failing or
they are just they're ignorant, they're stupid.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
They're dumb people. Are you dumb? You heard her ask
are you stupid?

Speaker 6 (05:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean she believes she's either morally or intellectually lacking
or failing and offending her because she's so dumb or
because she's so immoral. That's how the left sees this world. You,
if you do not subscribe to all that they subscribe,
then there is no other view. There is only theirs,
and you are you have some fault that is incurable

(05:56):
if you don't agree with them.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Who How did this happen?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, I'd think this way.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
How do you think Greg, the seventy seven million Americans
who voted for Donald Trump just a year ago would
react to this stuff? Yes, it would be outraged.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I mean, yes, I agree. And I'll tell you this.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
If wearing a Charlie kirkshirt at Target and it's all red,
I doesn't pass muster with Target, then there's Target supervisors
and you know that she answers to that would say, hey,
that's a I know it's a red shirt, but we
don't wear it with any kind of political statement or
anything on it. Somebody that she works for, who she
answers to, would would would address that, not some crazy

(06:37):
customer that walks up and confronts her and tells her
what to tells her what she's gonna do. I'm going
to tell you, as a grown adult, I'm not in
the mood to have grown adults try to tell me,
as a grown adult what I can and can't do.
I'm just I'd say, I'm a grown person. You go
tell yell at kids that you have some kind of
dominion over, but don't come to an adult and tell
me what to do.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Get that out of here.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
The crazy thing about this this nurse, nobody was filming this.
The nurse filmed it herself. You know, she just had
her phone and was filming this. So crazy she posted
it and people picked up on this. They're raising money
for this employee, just kidding, you know. And they apparently
she worked for someone called Endlow Health, which is a
healthcare system somewhere in that area. And there are calls

(07:21):
now for for Endlow to fire this nurse. And I yeah, well,
good for the goose, is good for the gander. If
strangers are going to come up to that poor woman
working at Target and try to get her fire, I'm
going over your head.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
She says.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, guess what sounds like a lot of people want
to go over her head to say you're a menace.
You're just a menace. I don't think in delivering healthcare
is going to be your gig because we listening to
you treats on other human being the way you are.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's just not.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
What I don't understand is I my mother passed away
at an early age, and if you asked me up
until more, just more recently, I would tell you nurses
are angels.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I think this nurse not an angel.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I hate to offend the.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Doctors that are listening to our but I think sometimes
doctors have God complexes. I don't find doctors to be
as compassionate, and it would be hard when you're dealing
with the same issues all the time. Nurses, on the
other hand, day, man, they throw your arms around you.
So this lady has no business.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Beingand nurse amen into that. All right, We've got a
lot more to talk about as we kick off the
wing Man Wednesday edition of The Rod and Greg Show.
Don't forget Live coverage of the President's Addressed to the
Nation coming up at seven o'clock. More on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine can arrests. Well, we are,
we are fully that this day isn't over yet.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So seven days, seven and a half days, four hours,
thirteen Minsil Senna comes down the.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Tack will make fun of me. You are these moods today?
You hit You have been in one of those moods today?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, I had some interruptions today, so I have Yeah,
I have a mood. Yes, So you know a lot
of a lot of a lot of rigormarole before the
show started.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yes, yeah, I understand that. Well, let's talk about what's
going This story at Brown University is bizarre. Greg. We're
now in the day five of the search for the
killer here, and you know, police, I would think are
doing all they can, but a lot of people in
that area are becoming very restless, saying what is going
on here?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, I'm just reading this the Providence police chief, and
I'll tell you, every time this guy talks, you don't
get it. There's no more you don't feel greater confidence
that something's going to happen. You just start to worry
that nobody's in charge. Because this chief of police reveals
that five days after this Brown University mass shooting, with

(09:30):
the killer still on the loose that they have not
interviewed the student eyewitnesses. Well for a description of the shooter.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, they said today that they have not interviewed the
student witnesses.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, I'm just at a loss.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about
more about this, Eric O'Neil. He is a former FBI
operative who you know has a lot of knowledge about this. Eric,
what do you make of this five days in and
nothing new yet?

Speaker 7 (09:56):
Well, Rod, Greg, it's good to be on your show
with you, and I can say that five days out,
it makes things more difficult for law enforcement. I think
they've done the best with what they can, but you
can't catch a fugitive without knowing a little bit more,
at least about what they look like or where they
went after the shooting. So right now what we have
is a fairly grainy image of the shooter who was

(10:19):
wearing a cap and a mask, and what law enforcement
has been doing. In addition to knocking on doors and
asking for any witnesses who might have seen something, even
if it's something they don't think is important, sometimes any
tip can help, and technological methods by grabbing every camera
from ring cameras to cell phone coverage to cameras at

(10:43):
the school and everything in between, traffic cameras and those
sort of things to try to identify the suspects. The
most important thing I think they have done is put
out the image and the video of the individual who's
the person of interest in the shooting and hope that
someone recognizes them from the way they walk and the
way they moved from sort of the shape of their

(11:04):
face and says, hey, I think it might be this person.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I'm unclear because I think that the press conferences frankly
are unclear with the press with the Brown University president
or the Providence chief of police. But did they have
cameras inside it? Is there any Is there any evidence
or images of the assailant that we haven't seen as
the public that would that would match up with these

(11:29):
people of interest that they're looking at. Is there other
evidence out there they might be keeping close to the
vest for investigative purposes?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Do you know?

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Yeah, there is an evidence I have seen, although it's
not it's not completely outside the norm that they might
have additional information that they're not releasing. And a good
comparable is the investigation into the person of interest that
ended up being the person that was arrested in the
Charlie Kirk shooting, Tyler Robinson. And if you'll recall, they

(11:59):
first released an in, then they released a different image
and then a video and that led to someone saying, oh,
actually his family member saying that's my son and encouraging
him to turn himself in. I think that that is
the same thing that law enforcement is hoping for here.
And sometimes some of the biggest cases are broken because
someone recognizes something about the person and calls an attempt.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
You're right, or you've expressed, Eric, And I've seen some
of the comments that you've been making on this that
police need to tighten the timeline. Why would that be
beneficial in this investigation.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
Yeah, it can certainly help because the more you know
about when the person arrived and where they went, that
can give you clues into who they are and where
they might be going. And also one thing that we
really need to know is whether this is the sort
of shooter who goes to ground locally, like for example,
in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson basically went

(12:58):
home or is or shoot her like the individual who
drove across country to tishoot two national guards, a National
guardsman and guards woman in Washington, D C. And you know,
presumably had they not been captured there would have tried
to cross the country and go home. So it's really
important to understand that much to know where do you

(13:20):
how far do you have to expand your cordon, and
could the person be in the cordon and gone to
ground or has already moved outside of it. And now
it's going to be very hard to catch the person,
you know, straight out, you're gonna have to identify them
first and then continue the manhunt.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know, I think of three high profile killings that
they were there was investigative effort and they were able
to the National Guard one that they were able to
apprehend the person quickly, but we knew the political motivation
behind that. The Charlie Kirk one, it was pretty clear
why that happened, And so you could look at maybe
circles of those types of attitudes or influences that would

(13:59):
help lead you to a person like that because of
who they run with. Even Luigi, the guy that murdered
the healthcare executive, he left clues in his assassination that
would clearly show his motive behind it. We're lacking any
of that context as the public in the Brown University shooting,
as to what the motivation would be. It almost seems
like they're they're concealing that or they don't want to

(14:21):
disclose what they believe might be the motivation. If you
have a crowdit classroom, when you have a two people shot,
was something shouted? Was there was there any idea? Is
there just no idea of why this assailant did what
they did or is the motive being held for some
other reason?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Do you think?

Speaker 8 (14:37):
Right?

Speaker 7 (14:37):
So, the motive is very difficult to learn until you
actually know the identity of the shooter. So typically what
happens is, you know, there have been cases right where
I remember the shooter who climbed onto a roof and
shot at an ice facility. Yes, left left words written
on his bullet. You know, his bullets kill ice, so
that they they have a pretty good motive, right, Some

(15:00):
some times you get those. But here you just have
a guy wearing mostly dark clothes with a mask and
a hat, was caught briefly on cameras, and you know,
there would have been nice if there were more cameras
around the building, right, Yeah, And you usually learn the
motive after you identify the person, you get a name,

(15:20):
then you go and begin the investigation into their digital life,
and that's where you can find a lot of the
information that points to a particular ideology or reason why
this was why they chose this extreme act.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line is Eric O'Neil. He's
a former FBI counter terrorism and counterintelligence operative. Eric, let
me ask you this, Greg and I have been seeing
this video of this person of interest kind of walking
through neighborhoods. Sometimes he turns around, doesn't appear to be
hardly any pedestrians on the street or cars on the street.
What is he doing there?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I mean, it does not seem like a road well traveled.
It just seems like he's one you'll see someone randomly there,
But these are not neighborhoods where you're seeing a lot
of foot traffic.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
What would that?

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah? You and is this video before the shooting after
the shooting? Do we know? At this point?

Speaker 7 (16:07):
Eric? I, you know, I might be incorrect in this,
but I believe it's from before the shooting.

Speaker 9 (16:14):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
And he's because I think there was a report that
he was loitering or this is the individuals loider loitering
before the shooting, and uh, you know the way that
he's acting, in the way he's moving, he maybe he
made the you know, have planned this and now he's
getting his courage up or uh, he's waiting for the
exact time that he's planned to go in, and he

(16:36):
got there early and now he's just waiting for that
for that time that he planned. It does suggest that
there was some planning. It's not like he just came
right off the street and decided to go in. I
also saw a report that the building he chose had
a bit of a deficiency in the cameras, uh, and
that there you know, it was an older building that
didn't have the upgraded technology yet, you know, and perhaps

(16:59):
he knew that. But you know, the hard thing about
the situation and situations like this is there's so much
conjecture without facts. I usually, as as an investigator, former
and current investigator, I love facts. You know, facts of
what drives drives a true and clear narrative, and conjecture
can sometimes run in the way of getting to those facts.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
On our Newsmaker line, Eric O'Neill, former FBI operative, talking
about the Brown University investigation. More coming up on the
Rowden greg Show and Talk Radio one O five nine
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Speaker 2 (17:36):
In the morning, didn't come back till night when the
street light lamps came on.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Rode bikes without helmets. What happened? What happened to the
good old days? Well, we came across a great article
about that. Joining us on our newsmaker line to talk
about this is Kelsey Piper. She is a contributor at
The Argument magazine, and she said, as we became more
affluent throughout the years, all of a sudden, our children
were less free. What has happened? Kelsey? Thanks for joining us.

(18:02):
Why did you decide to dig into this issue?

Speaker 10 (18:06):
So the Argument my organization does polls, and we asked parents,
at what age is it appropriate to leave a kid
home alone? I think many of us as kids, you know,
we were eight, we were nine. It depends a little
bit on whether you're a trustworthy kid or going to
immediately rate the sugar coverard. But we got thirty five
percent of adults in the US answering our poll said

(18:27):
it was not appropriate until a child was between the
ages of fourteen and seventeen. So I saw that. I
was like, something has gone horribly wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, you know, you're right. I was a fair I've
told our audience. I was raised a feral child. My
mother was a single mother. She worked a lot, so
I was not supervised, left home alone. You'd have to
count the hours my mother was home for me. And
I'm not saying that's the norm, But doesn't some of

(18:56):
that autonomy or being able to be left home alone
or go out for the day and come back at
night that create self start. You know, you find your
own entertainment, you're doing things, you're out there, aren't there
some life skills learned from a childhood that's not overly supervised.

Speaker 10 (19:15):
Fucking Really, they take a lot of pride in being independent,
being able to get wherever they want to go under
their own power, even in working. And we've moved very
far away from allowing teenagers to work, or encouraging teenagers
to even have like a part time or a summer job.
But all of that being left home alone, being able
to go to your friend's house.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Working a job that builds like.

Speaker 10 (19:37):
Being a person, being part of the world, not having
to just listen to your parents about everything that's good
for kids.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Kelsey, what happened? I mean, you know, Greg and I
were talking about this this morning in our morning meeting.
Neither one of us ever wore a helmet when we
rode a bike. You know, we didn't get a carpool
to go to school. We had to walk to school.
I mean, and there's so many other issues happen. Why
did we move in the direction we're in now?

Speaker 11 (20:04):
Yeah, So I.

Speaker 10 (20:04):
Think a big part of it is that we got
a lot richer as a society. Our kids stopped dying,
and it is if you compare to a century ago,
kids did die in accidents pretty regularly. So there was
a real trade off here, and as we got wealthier
as a society, we're just not willing to tolerate that
trade off. And then family size is shrank and that's

(20:25):
got to be part of.

Speaker 12 (20:26):
It, right.

Speaker 10 (20:27):
You can't keep a close eye on seven kids, you
just can't. But if you have two parents and one kid,
you know you're probably gonna be hovering over their shoulder
a little bit more. And family sizes are smaller than
they've ever been so I think these play a part.
But then the other thing I talk about in the
article is once some of your neighbors have these extremely
high expectations about supervision, then that is sort of a

(20:51):
chilling effect on the whole neighborhood. Like we had some
respondence to our poll say they would call CPS over
a ten year old playing alone at the park. Now,
I would never call CPS over a ten playing alone
in the park, But if my neighbor calls CPS on me,
then I'm going to be more reluctant to let my
kid go to the park the next time. Right, So
a small number of people with these very intense expectations

(21:15):
can change the behavior of lots more parents.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
So I don't I wouldn't say that the two examples
I'm going to share are best practices. I think this
is what probably contributed to a high mortality rate amongst children.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
But we didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I didn't just ride bikes to get from point A
to point B. We jumped bikes. We found ramps, so
we tried to see who could jump the furthest go
down a hill as fas as you can, hit the
bottom of the hill, hit the ramp, and then we
would mark where the back tire would land first, and
there's trees on either side. Also, when I remember being
really young, my mother's arm rest for the you know,
the was a satellite, Plymouth satellite. I would sit on

(21:52):
it like so I could see out the window, like
a launch pad. I would sit and watch out the
window so I could see. That's I don't think we
should go back to that necessarily, But is there some
happy medium here? I mean, you can't just keep coddling
children to the point where they don't know any self
determination as they get older, but not go back to
the times where it's a miracle.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So what would you say to parents, and maybe if
if you could decide how, what would be that happy medium?

Speaker 10 (22:21):
That's sort of the question, right, because I agree you
don't want your kids taking risks their lives. And also
you are wrong in your kids if they are making
it nearly to adulthood without getting to do their own thing.
And one personal story. We have a six year old.
The other day, he decided he wanted to go to
the convenience store and buy some oreos.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
He is not allowed to go.

Speaker 10 (22:41):
To the communion store acrosses a big street. He just
went out by himself. When he got to the big street,
he like waved down a nearby pedestrian and got helped
crossing the street, bought his oreos, got help coming back,
And I was mad, I was scared. I was also proud.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
He was so proud of.

Speaker 10 (22:58):
Himself, like to him, this was one of the best
experiences ever. And it's like, what do you do with
that as a parent, Like, of course I'm not going
to tell my six year old, yeah, you can go
across that big.

Speaker 11 (23:09):
Stre with no light.

Speaker 10 (23:10):
But also if they never get the chance to exercise
those muscles and set their own goals, that's not right
for them either.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know, Kelsey, We've had on this show numerous times
over the years. Over the years lenors Kenesi who really
works in the effort for free range kids, and as
matter of fact, here in the state of Utah, we've
adopted some laws to allow free range kids and kids
to go out. Do you get a sense that things
are changing that parents do want to give their kids
a little more freedom, or they still reluctant to do so,

(23:40):
maybe because they're concerned about their safety, maybe even peer
pressure not to do some of these things. What's your
take on it.

Speaker 10 (23:47):
I think there is a little more momentum in the
free range kids direction, and in terms of some states saying, Okay,
we can't have CPS going after good parents because they
let their ten year old play at the park. We
are to set some sort of minimums and say no,
that's not child neglect, No that's not a problem. And
you need some of that like formal structure to sort

(24:09):
of push back, because you've got all these like informal
things that push in the direction of excessive supervision. So
if you don't take a sort of big picture approach
and intentionally make laws and make policies and sort of
say this is not what we're doing, then it's easy
to just keep sliding down that ramp. So I really
hope things will turn around. I think the world where

(24:31):
kids are online all the time and can barely do
anything in the real world, it's not good for them,
it's not good for society. So we've got to sort
of get this turned around.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Boy, I couldn't agree more Kelsey Piper with the argument
talking about this world, talk about it in the five
o'clock hour, because Greg, where did our freedom go?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Where did they go it's you know, it's and looks
it's a tight rope. I get.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I think that my upbringing isn't aren't. I wouldn't call,
as I said in the interview, best practices, but I
think I'm better for it.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I didn't know. It doesn't kill you. It makes you stronger.
So where I am.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
We'll get to your phone calls on this. We want
to hear from you on this, coming up on The
Roden Gregg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Kay An alright, Michael is in Saratoga Springs tonight. Hi, Michael,
welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show. How you guys doing,
We're doing well. Thank you your thoughts on this.

Speaker 13 (25:21):
Michael, So, I my mom's I was three years old
when I started being by myself, and I even toys
arrest was one of my babysitters or my mom's car
while she works. And nowadays my kids are asking me
to open up their ketchup packets, and I'm like, you
guys should be cooking my dinner.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Ketchup packet.

Speaker 14 (25:42):
I'm telling you you're old school. I like it make
you stronger, yep, yeah, it does. Like I think it
makes you stronger. And makes you more self for like
I keep telling my kids and I go explore the
mountains or something, go get lost or something. Yeah, they
don't want to leave your side there.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So did you ever hear and they said, I don't
know what to do. If you don't find something to do,
I'll find something for you to do. I never heard
that idea. And none of that was good. Was like
they wanted to take me to the amusement park.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
It meant work.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, so that always went work. You're right, Michael, It
teaches some independence. We want to get into your calls.
By the way, if you want to read Kelsey's article,
it's on our X page. Just go to act and
search at Rod and Greg show Iray has posted the
article there and you can read it. Give you a
little background as to what we're talking about. What when
we come back, we want to hear from you the

(26:29):
freedoms that you enjoyed as a kid growing up, and
we had a lot of them back then. Maybe your
kids don't have those freedoms today. What on earth happened?
I mean, think about what you used to do, but
you don't allow your kids to do it anymore? Why not?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, we've raised a bunch of soft kids. I'll just
say we are waiting out if that's true or what
we need to do about it.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, all right, your calls, your comments coming up. Don't
forget live coverage of the President's address to the nation
in two hours and you'll you're alive on talk radio
one oh five nine bay In Arrests. All right, the
President speaking to the nation in a couple of hours,
We're going to be carrying that live. I think, you know,
I hope the approach he takes Greg I think I

(27:14):
mentioned this earlier. I think he needs to say this
is where we've been, this is where we are today,
and this is where we're going in the coming year.
And I think he needs to lay that out to
the American people because he has accomplished so much. I mean,
just highlight the border, gas prices. I mean, just go
through the list. Is an easy list to talk about,

(27:35):
it is. And this is my prediction. So when he's
you know, when they do those.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Little press gaggles or whatever they call him, you know,
where he just they're on Air Force one and he'll
just wander back there and then just all will gather around.
There's so much spontaneity to those questions and answers. Tonight's address,
there's a lot of thought, good good you know, good leaders,
good good people around him that really want to do
what you just said and lay out the case. Because
one of the things he's saying that I think is
being misinterpreted by the public, at least some of the public,

(28:01):
is when they said, mister president, how would you grade
your work your efforts on the economy a plus plus
plus plus plus plus. Now, if you feel like the
economy is not serving you and you hear a plus
plus plus, you think that the president might be detached
or overstating good things. Maybe yes, there's a bunch not
a positive response if you were to hear his you know,

(28:23):
a plus plus plus plus, great grade he gives himself
if the economy doesn't feel that way to you. What
he's saying, I think he's What he's saying is that
interest rates low. Inflation now two and a half percent,
it's lower. You're still eating the twenty percent inflation accumuatively
over the four years of Biden. But so now we're
at twenty three percent or twenty two percent, so you

(28:43):
still we're still lugging around that twenty percent that Biden created.
But things are pointing the right direction. And as Stephen
Moore has said on our show, you've got, you know,
tax returns coming that will be sending back returns that
rebates back to the taxpayers. That he has the big,
beautiful bill that are going to be bigger than anticipated.
I think that's going to be a good sign. Everyone

(29:05):
says that that wage growth has to outpace inflation. I
think that's going to happen. I think that's what tonight
should be and I should he should take He should
show the inventory of low gas prices, a border that
people are even self deporting, that that's freeing up housing,
That there's a lot of good things happening, but we're
looking at this next year. He can't fix it all

(29:25):
right away, but you can see the good signs and
then and build some anticipation of the good times to come.
But don't say everything's perfect now. That's what Biden said,
and we when people were feeling the opposite, and it
made him look detached. So I hope that that I
hope that's the message tonight, that there's a lot of
a lot of accomplishments, but we're not.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know, we're still on a wag.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, and we'll talk. We'll hear what he has
to say here in a couple of hours, and you'll
hear it right here on talk radio one oh five
nine can Arras all right, Well, last half hour if
you weren't listening, we had a great conversation with Kelsey Piper.
She wrote this article about you know, as this name
has become more prosperous over the years, a lot of
the freedoms and things that we used to do as

(30:06):
kids we don't do anymore. I mean, we have almost
the word she used, we've suffocated our children. They can't
do the things that we used to do. Well, what
happened and why? And that's why we want to hear
from you tonight as to where did those freedoms go
that Greg, you enjoyed, I enjoyed. We had. There's a

(30:26):
lot of fun out there we had enjoyed. But think
about I mean, if you list the things Greg, that
we never did as kids. We never wore helmets. No,
did you ever wear a helmet?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Heavens? Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I still wouldn't wear one. I don't ride bikes because
I'm a grown man. I've talked about this before, but
if I was forced on a bike, I would not
put a helmet on.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I do wear a helmet when I ride a bike.
And here's why you no, No, I have not given up.
My grandchildren wear helmets and they asked me, Grandpa, where's
your helmet? So so I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Tell their helmets.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
You tell their mothers that I'm not going to.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
And that's the point of what we're saying here.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
But is the playground equipment you and I grew up
still around with. It's still around, never never gone swings
they would go around things, the teeter, seat, saws, you
name it. They're all gone.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Do you know we had when I was a kid,
we had old fire trucks. You could they would put
up on blocks and at the at the park and
they take the you know, so just put the nuts
and bolts of it. You could crawl. You know, these
had sharp edges. They had a tank like a you
can crawl on inside of. And these are sharp edges.
These are not There's no nothing to catch you if
you fall off the top of it. But you know

(31:37):
you wouldn't see any of that now.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, car seats, now, car seats I think are a
good idea.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, I I think you advances against society. Car seats
and seatbelts. I never wore a seatbelt. I never car
seats and seatbelts were irrelevant to me for until my
adult life.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yes, yeah, my wife will tell the story. She said,
you know, she would crawl into the back window of
their car when she was just talking to go to sleep. Yeah,
you know, and I never thought twice about it, so
that that's good carpooling. I walked to school, yeah, until
we moved to an area that we were like five
miles outside of town where we couldn't walk to school.
What happened with busy buses, But we'd take school buses

(32:17):
right and take a bus. But walking to school. When
I grew up through elementary school, we didn't carpool. We
walked to school. Elementary school, I had to walk. And
then when I got in high school, when I got
all those detentions, I had to walk home from the
high school, which was super far from the house. That
that was lousy and cold weather. We and you were
talking about this. We had a run of the town.

(32:39):
We would go everywhere.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yes, yeah, so where I grew up you could. There
were there were trails in the woods that you could
get you from one side of that were actually even
faster than the roads. You didn't want to be on
the busiest of roads for obvious reasons. And we didn't
have these like really clean berms that you could ride,
you know, comfortably. It was like asphalt cinders. It was
like you just wasn't as safe anyway. Do you take

(33:03):
the You take the trail in the woods till you
get to a road. You go on the road for
a while, you get back in the woods. You go
through another part to get to Denny's Superrette, to get
the cowdle around to get to these different places you
want to go, and you are you're ten years old
and the world is your oyster. And then when you're
done going to playing Donkey Kong and getting some you know,
big league chew, the bubblegum that looked like chew, and
you're done doing that, you go down to the creek.

(33:24):
Not the creek, but the creek, and then you go in.
You pull your shoes and socks up, and then you
pull these big rocks out and you pie.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
You catch these little crayfish. They do like little lobsters.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, yeah, but the baby. You know, you jump off
things you were talking about on your bike, man, you
do jumps, and.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
We jump kids. We'd line the kids up, we put
them like railroad tracks under the under the ramp, and
then we would jump over.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
See how many kids we could jump.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
You you'd find things to entertain yourself. We can't do
that anymore. I mean we're, as Kelsey said, we're almost
suffocating our children, and that is so wrong. I mean,
you learn so much when you're out on your own,
even when you're a young kid, you learn. I probably
shouldn't do that again.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Well, look, there's a lot of a lot of kids,
and you know if you don't have something to do.
When parents said we'll find something for you to do,
it was going to be chores, work, something like that.
So what you were expected to do is go go
be a kid, Go go do something, get out from
underneath our feet. Well that's that makes you as self started.
What am I going to do with my day? You
get to your friends, what are we going to do do?

(34:25):
We built treehouses. Now I shouldn't admit that we went
to neighboring construction sites of apartments to get our wooden supplies.
It's not like we could go to the home depot
and get.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Stuff for home. Wouldn't recommend that.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
No, that's not our best practice. I'm just saying that
it was creative thing. It was creative problem solving as
a young young kid. Where are we going to get
the nails and everything else?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
And the wood we found it.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
It just was growing somewhere that we could just use
a nice plywood everything else. But no, you you'd find
things to do. And I'll tell you the other thing.
We do pickup games baseball football in the winter and
in the fall and winter it was football in the
spring and summer it was baseball, and we would play both.
And it was the neighborhood and sometimes our neighborhood go
across the street and play the other kids from the
other neighborhood that we knew from school.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I mean, stuff like that happened all the time.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now for the parents that have this, you know, the
the academies, the soccer or the basketball academies, and then
they have a trainer that's training their team or their kids,
and then they have you know, lessons for instruments and
they have I mean, there's very regimented extracurricular activities going
on and families now, and I'm not judging against it,
but I am saying that there has to be something too.

(35:35):
The feral nature of our generations going backwards, where affluence
didn't provide. You couldn't find a parent that had any
time to come watch a game. They're all working, you know,
nobody was coming to So I was in Little league
baseball and one came.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, my parents ever. I played baseball, he played hockey.
My daddy was small business owner. You have time.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I had one season where my grandpa, Francis Maguire, World
War two veteran, he came to my baseball games one
year and that was pretty cool and I was I
love that all right?

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Where did the freedoms go that we as kids enjoyed
but our kids can't do today or do under certain conditions.
We want to hear from you eight eight eight five
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(36:25):
to the phones. We begin in Orum tonight with Mary
Mary How Are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?
Thanks for waiting.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
Hi.

Speaker 15 (36:33):
When back in nineteen fifty five, when I was five
years old, my aunt would give me some breakfast. It
was milk milk toasts. You've ever heard of that? And
then she'd say, okay, go ahead and play and be
back before dark. I was only five years old, and
my friends and we lived in the Happy Dalley right
across the street from Lower Campus of BYU, on that
whole block, and we had so much sun. It was

(36:54):
just like in do you remember Thanky and Darnay little
rest like that nive. That was how I was, And
it was so much fun. And we we would go
and get our own lunch. We would sell flowers, pick
people's flowers and go sell them at their door, and
then we would get pop bottles, and then we'd go

(37:15):
get corn out of people's backyards. We wouldn't even come
home for lunch.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
We just come home before darden.

Speaker 14 (37:21):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, home for dark, that's the rule.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
So this was a.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Judge free zone. Folks.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Whatever you've done with as a kid, we want to
hear the stories because I don't know that twenty twenty
five looks very familiar when you think about how it
grew up.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
It does. All right, we'll take a break and we'll
come back. A lot of people weighing in want to
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(37:53):
to that deranged nurse in Chico, California who berated a
Target employee for wearing a red shirt that supported Charlie Kirk.
There's some new information coming out on that lady, and
it runs in the family. We'll talk about that all right.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
We're talking about the freedoms that we enjoyed as kids.
You know what happened to him? I mean kids and
bikes and helmets and car seats, which we support, by
the way, we're against car seats. But a lot of
the freedom that we enjoyed as kids doesn't happen anymore.
Why let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, let's go to Judy, who's from Sunset. Judy, Welcome
to the Ron and Greg Show. Hey, VERROI what do
you think about this?

Speaker 16 (38:31):
Okay, Henny, I'm going to do this real quick. Okay,
I'm seventy four. I did all those things when I
was a young kid. I mean everything running around. We
were just zombies. Yeah, things till tenn eleven o'clock at night.
Move forward to when I had my kids. My daughters
are now in their forties. They both babysat when they.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Was ten years old.

Speaker 16 (38:52):
Yeah, but I still would keep my eye on and
my son did football, basketball craziness and everything playing well.
Now move up to mids and I'm going to just
speacause I've gotten twelve, so I'm not going to speak
on all of them that I'll speak of my one's
going he's seventeen, going to be graduating. But when that
darling boy, because he was living with me with his
mom twelve years old, was going around all of our

(39:13):
neighborhood here in Sunset as knocking on doors to ask
if he could help with their yard. Wow, and he
was making money. And the cutest thing. We even got
him little business cards wrote, Oh that is.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Experience about it.

Speaker 16 (39:29):
And like I said, he's seventeen now and he wrestled
and he does all that kind of stuff. Here's the
issue that you're talking about. If I had my kids
right now in two days day, I will not let
them go outside alone. I wouldn't let them go any
placeless I could pick up and drive because of the
pedophiles on the internet that are literally tracking our kids.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, it is a different world today, and we've had
a couple of messages on that as well. The world
has changed, unfortunately, and you can't give him the freedom
that we once enjoyed it. That's said. That's said.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Let's go to Craig and Holiday. Craig, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 17 (40:10):
Hello, Hello, are you there? You hear me?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
You can go ahead?

Speaker 17 (40:18):
Okay, anyway, let me tell you when I would when
I would go to elementry squad walk and I fell
in love with the little girl that was on the
arches trip. So I came home and told my mom
and dad I wanted to play the cello, but I
didn't think about carrying the cello the show for six years.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh you learned something right, but you were committed.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
You were not daunting, and you did it.

Speaker 17 (40:44):
So here's this Gucci mama that dumps me and I'm
still stuck with the cello.

Speaker 8 (40:50):
So you you didn't.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
So once you found out you had to carry this
cello through the you still did it. Craig, you still
carried that thing.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
You were y.

Speaker 17 (40:58):
Yeah, but she led me on that we were a couple.
So I just I mean, I was dragging through the
snow and my brothers would laughing giggle. My brother planned
a violin. He throw it over his shoulder. Here I
am dragging this thing to the snow.

Speaker 13 (41:10):
Ah.

Speaker 17 (41:11):
It mean my mom and dad actually, and my mom
and dad actually videoed it, so I've gotten the video.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Begore.

Speaker 17 (41:17):
Still, let me tell you when we grew up, it
was all different. My dad is in the Navy, and
when we got out of school. The first day out
of school was you get your head and shaved, or
you get a mohawk. Take a mohawk. My brother and
I we'd throw a shotgun over our shoulders. We'd go
out shoot pheasants and quail. Oh yeah, it was great, Beau,
bring them home. My dad was happy about the foliage

(41:38):
and everything. But the problem was is when we got
a little bit radical. We started putting our mohawks into
points with vasolene and never got into die. And my dad,
who was the state president Bishop, put the kibosh on
that real quick.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah. I probably didn't appreciate that. I'm getting my hair buzzed.
I like that right out of school. Dad, take us
down to the barbershop. We'd get a.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Cello playing mohawk wearing spiky haired color dyed.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
For the affection of young lit.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
He was he was living life. Yeah, I love it. Okay,
let's go to Bill in Salt Lake City. Bill, thank
you for holding and welcome to the ride and Greg show.

Speaker 9 (42:17):
Yes, I'm fifty six years old and back when I
was seven eight years old, I grew up one block
east of Utah State University campus. That campus was the
playground of every elementary school student up there on that
hill behind university. We had our free run of the

(42:37):
We go to the Taggart Student Center, and we go
to the arcade, we go bowling. When I was fourteen,
I rode my bike from Logan from the campus all
the way to Preston, Idaho for a Hamburger, and then
hitchhike back to Logan.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
See Bill, that's what I'm talking about. I'm the same age.
I think that's that's you know what. We were very resilient.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, thank you, Bill. Of fact, I was thinking because
once we moved outside of our hometown, we were five
miles out of town and I'd say to my dad, Dad,
kind of get it right into town. He'd laugh, stick
your thumb out, get your right, and that's what I do.
You don't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
It's yeah, then I think we're going to a break.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
But when we come back, I think there's some actually,
so we have some callback calls that maybe point out
some of the barriers to this. It's not just parents,
you know, over being overprotective. It is and some of
our callers pointed out it's a scarier world today, different
world than when we grew up in and so there
are some things that we should we should consider as well.
But it's tough that we don't have that kind of
freedom for kids to really, you know, go out and

(43:38):
explore and get away from phones and you know, technology
and just be kids.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Your calls and talk back comings coming up on The
Rotten Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Okay, I always tease that drapers draper soft, these kids
having it on a day of one.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, you know, but you call your kids out all
the time.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I tease them, I tease them, I tell them that
they're soft.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
They like to try and prove otherwise. There there they
can they can be. But it's all relative, right, Yeah, yeah,
well we're talking about this. A recent survey done by
The Argument magazine found that thirty six percent of those
people who responded believe kids shouldn't be left home alone
until they're between the ages of fourteen and seventy. Meanwhile,

(44:18):
thirty six percent said parents letting a ten year old
play alone in a park for three hours should trigger
an investigation by child protective services.

Speaker 18 (44:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Now, times have changed, we admit that, right, But you
know what, some of those freedoms that we enjoyed as
kids have been taken away. And what benefit has that
been for the kids? I think they've lost a little
of their creativity, certainly their independence, the ability to grow
up and figure out things for themselves.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
You know, the you know the saying hard times create
tough people, Tough people create good times. Good times create
soft people. Soft people create hard times. Yeah, yeah, hard
times great, So it's a cycle. Yeah, it's biblical. It's
scriptural in terms of generations and how they prosper and
what prosperity does to a society in terms of its degradation.

(45:12):
And so I think, you know, as your quality, I
think that these are concerns we should have. But let's
go to some of those talkback calls, because I think
they there's some that point out some of the external
challenges that parents have that really aren't decisions are making
about trying to coddle their kids too much. They just
we live in a different time.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Here's one of our listeners who lifted this means to
John our talk back line.

Speaker 19 (45:33):
Hey guys, I'm all with you on the good old days,
but a couple of things that have gone wrong. One
our country has become one of the most litigious societies
on planet Earth, so no one wants to take responsibility
for their own actions anymore. And two, we have an
abundance of creepers in the world. I in my neighborhood
in Orum, I have probably ten fifteen registered sex offenders

(45:57):
that live around me. Don't really want my kids hanging
out outside.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, don't blame, don't blame him at all on that one. Greg,
he does make a good point. You brought up a
point when you were in the leture selectre. What a
silly idea this is. Yeah, there was an effort that
would impact ski resorts here in the state.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
So I ran the bill. This is a long time ago,
but I ran. I was asked to run a bill.
These attorneys. They wanted there to be padding around all
trees at ski resorts in the downhill slopes.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
And they wanted anything that you could run.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Into that could potentially cause harm to be padded. And
so it was going to do something with the snowboard
parks where you know they have those half pipes and things.
They wouldn't be able to do them because you could
potentially get hurt. So I ran a bill, and the
bill basically allowed for these ski resorts to say, when
you're buying your ski left pass, that you assume the
risk inherent to downhill skiing, and that includes not skiing

(46:47):
in the trees you know, or whatever, just skiing within
your ability all of that. And so again, if the
lawyers had it their way, all these ski resorts would
be just responsible for nobody ever getting a booboo when
they're skiing and it's just not practical, and and so
we had to run that legislation to prevent more litigious

(47:08):
behavior coming out of our state.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
So so how many how many trees around the typical skeuity.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
When you a matt can you?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
And they literally we said, I asked the person who
was arguing for this, because you know, they don't they
don't let you pray to bill without arguing against it.
And I'd have meetings with them and I'd say, tell
me what this even looks like? And they they came
with this artist rendering of these pads that you would
just like wrap around the tree, going are you.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Are you kidding me? I would have the same reaction
that it was. All right. Before we get a nerve
talkback comment, let's go back to the phones. Amy is
in Sandy tonight listening to the Rod and Greg Show. Amy,
how are you? Thanks so much for joining us?

Speaker 11 (47:45):
I fine, thank you, Hey, my comments really quick. I
agree with a lot of what everyone's saying. I just
think that these some of these bad things, especially with
the pedophiles, have existed for a very long time time.
We're just more aware of it now. I mean nearly
every person I know who who grew up pre two

(48:07):
thousand was had an inter a negative interaction with a
friend's father or brother or something. Almost all of them have.
We're just more aware of it now. So those things
existed then they just yeah, but they didn't know.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, Amy, And because of that, do we have more rules,
more safeguards and plates because we're more aware of it
than we used to be.

Speaker 13 (48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (48:33):
And I think also, right, you lived in a tiny
little community. Right right now, our community is the entire
world because you can connect with the entire world, entire
stories or whatever it is. But that's not the case
you had. Like when I grew up, it was your
little neighborhood and you all had to be friends with
each other. You didn't have a choice. Yeah, And now
that we have this whole world to interact with, we're

(48:56):
just more aware of these things. And they causees anxiety.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. And the I've heard this before, Greg,
you know, around Halloween time, there's always this story about
somebody who slipped in a razor blade into an apple
back in the day. Yeah, I've always heard never happened.
There's not one case of that ever happened.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I remember that in first grade having that. Yeah, it
now would have been nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, not one, not one case of it has ever
happened from what I understand. Wow, amazing. All right, let's
go back to our talk lines. Here's another listener with
a comment.

Speaker 20 (49:28):
Hey, Roden, Greg. The thing I really cherished memories of
is we went down to Foster's Freeze and Danville, California
to go get ice cream, and we would write in
the back of my dad's old fifty Chevy pickup truck
in the back bed, leaning against the tow gate. And
those are cool times. Yeah, you can't do that anymore

(49:49):
for safety reasons.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I remember writing in the back of a pickups right,
yes anymore. Yeah, I understand that.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
How about this color shared this memory that their dad
grew up in downtown Salt Lake a long time ago,
and they they and their friends used to go up
to the Capitol and play hide and seek in the
Capitol building. That'd be fun. Huh, that'd be fun. Yeah,
that would been That would have been something else, that'd bit.
That had been one grand game of hide and go seek.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah. Well, that caller or the talkback comment we had
about a person, you know, growing up as a kid,
they'd go to a uh like Foster's Freeze and get
an ice cream cone. Back then, I remember, I think
Dairy Queen was the first kind of franchise that came
into our hometown. The next one was Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Oh wow, years and years ago. Right. The problem was
it was on the other side of town.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
We didn't care. We wanted Kentucky Fried Chicken and we'd
walk across down to get it.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Man, I loved Dairy Queen.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I loved going there. But what we had is that
we had. We call him a goodie bar man. It
was a good humor truck. Oh you didn't play the music. Yeah,
And I would get I would try to borrow money
off of anybody I try to get. I get an
Italian ice because that would last the longest. I tried
to figure out what could I buy that I could
just keep scraping away and eating longer than anything else.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
It was the Italian ice. I'd get it.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I would never get any but an Italian ice just
because I could. I Yeah, I could eat it forever
because it was like I was an ice cube as
a brick. And I just have this little wood spoon
and I would just scrape it and eat it when
it got ice cream. They were done inside of three minutes.
I had this thing for an hour. You know it
was great, all right. I chase those guys, and I
swear those goodie bar men they see you. They just

(51:24):
make you chase them, just for amusement.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Oh, they would. More of your calls, more of your
talk about comments coming up on the Rod and Greg, Joe,
don't forget live coverage of the President's Addressed to the
Nation coming up at seven o'clock.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Joining remotely tomorrow and the Friday.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
You'll be back in studios. We wrap up the year.
I remember the song a long time ago. This is
older than you. There's a song, very popular song at
the time, called in the year twenty twenty twenty five.
And they looked at years ahead and what would happen
The line in it if man is still alive?

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Oh well we're still here? Scary?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Why now, isn't it all right? Let's go back to
the phones. We talk about freedom for our children. We
go to Eric here in Salt Lake City. Hi, Eric,
how are you?

Speaker 6 (52:05):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (52:06):
Rod?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (52:06):
Greg?

Speaker 16 (52:07):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
You guys doing doing well. Thank you.

Speaker 17 (52:10):
Hey.

Speaker 8 (52:11):
Something that I miss is back in the day, when
some jerk was road raging and wanted to pull over
and fight you, you could do it. And you could
punch them in the face and teach them to stop
road raging and not go to jail.

Speaker 9 (52:23):
Yes, but if you do that in.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
Today's world, you get arrested and charged and it ruins
your life.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, you know what here.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Here and kids and even these cowards, even Eric, if
you do, even if you want to teach them a lesson,
half these cowards will have some weapon they don't they.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Want, you don't want anymore.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
And I like even kids in school, they get in
a fist fight in school and they end up in
jubie and charges and all this garbage. It's like, sometimes
you just need to let kids work it out.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, one hundred percent. In fact, when I saw that
you were calling, I think this is actually a really
important one for at least young men. I think that
sometimes that's what you have to do, is that you
have to you have to work it out. And I
made I made friends fighting. If you could make each
other bleed, there was actually respect born from them. Yes,
you actually bonded over it. You sell me that kid,
So I mean you kids. When I grew up, kids

(53:14):
could be bullies. Kids could see someone and if they
felt like they could get over on them, they would
do it. When you stood up to people, when you
fought back, you you established yourself and I and look,
I read somewhere that that how you handled the adversity,
adversity and how you problem solved when you were eight
or nine, whatever skill, whatever skill set you picked up

(53:35):
in those ages you carry into adulthood. Did you run away?
Did you hide? Did you have no adversity? What did
you do in those eight and nine year old years? Uh,
they're saying that that is reflected very accurately in your
adult years. I'm going to tell you mine. We were
good years. They were fairal years there. I was on
my own. But you could fight, You absolutely could and

(53:57):
should fight. You You you stick up for yourself well.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
As many of our listeners know, I went to parochial school. Yes,
you did not fight in a Catholic school. No, because
if you did, he would face the wrath of the nuns.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
And then you played hockey and they didn't let you.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Know they we played hockey, got into a fight. A
coach would say you're out yep, and you'd be suspended
for a game. He didn't did not allow it.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah, I went to it.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
It was really different where I went to school, where
there was fighting was kind of part of the girl experience.
And we had to get bus to a different town,
which we were on a bus for a long time.
You put a bunch of kids that are on a bus,
fourth sixth grade in a bus for an hour. Someone's
getting on someone's nerves. There's fights that that can happen
because of that time together every day.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
And but you got off the bus.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Whole bust'll get off the bus stop so they could
all watch it, watch the whole fight.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Whole bust'll get off. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
We had a kid in school. His last name was Woodley,
I remember this right. He was the fighter and if
a school came after us, we turned to him and
we'd go off school property. Yeah, we'd go on the
property that the church on the Catholic church, because you
throw on church proper, the Catholic. Yeah, you can throw
on on church property, not on school property. So we

(55:08):
just go across the bridge and watch them fight it out. Yeah,
I think a lot of who smoked when he was
like twelve.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
That would be the kid would that would be ready
to scrap? Yeah, I think these little cowards that have
weapons and guns and all this stuff. I just it's
just so sad, because I do think that there are
some lessons that you can learn by just especially if
you're a kid. You're not going to really hurt each
other as bad as if your adults. Let him fight,
Yeah that's what I said.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Or go to a box like you went boxing.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, that's that's good. That's a healthy way.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
All right, More coming up third hour, the Rotting Right Show,
and then the President's addressed to the Nation. Still they
come on Talk Radio one oh five nine. All right,
we've got a busy hour coming your way. Of course,
we're getting ready for the President to speak to the nation.
He will do so at seven o'clock hour time, and
you'll hear that right here on Kate and r As.

(55:58):
But we've got a lot of other things to get
to as well. We were talking the last hour about
the freedom that our children have and how they've lost
that over the years. You know, different, we understand days
are different. Another issue, of course, is dealing with climate
change and kids coming home from school now, Greg and
are fearful about what's going on with a client climate

(56:19):
because they hear that in school. You have you know,
we've heard stories about children are young couples who don't
want to have children anymore because they don't want them
to grow up in the world leaving a carbon footprint.
I mean, it's gotten kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
And I take it right back to they didn't drink
water out of the fire hose, they didn't run around
all day. So now they get overly scared about climate hosts.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, climate hoaxes and son like that. Well, this week
marks the I think it's the tenth anniversary of the
Paris Climate Accord. It was ten years ago and it
has been a decade I think of disaster. Let's talk
more about that. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right
now is Steve molloy. Steve is a Senior Fellow for
Energy and Environmental a former EPA transition team member for

(57:05):
the Trump campaign. Always great to have Steve on the show. Steve,
looking back ten years ago, signed into an agreement was
reached in Paris. Of all the things that annoyed you
with this agreement, what annoys you the.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
Most, Well, I don't even know where to start.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
You know, it's of annoyance.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
Yeah, no, well, I guess it all depends on who
you are. You know. Look, first, the Paris Colm Deal
accomplished nothing, right, I mean, if you are concerned about emissions,
and missions went up twelve percent, but we spent ten
trillion dollars trying to lower up. So that's a total fail.
But then there are some real consequences that people don't
really talk about the war in Ukraine. I think a

(57:48):
large part of that is due to the Paris Colombic
cooid Because under Paris and its predecessor Kyoto, Europe outsourced
its energy needs to Russia. Became on Russia, which is
just what Puton wanted and and and then you know,
limited Europe's ability to to do anything and made them

(58:11):
vulnerable to Russia and enriched Russia. And so all you
needed was week Joe Biden come along, and it was
no breater to invade Ukraine, I guess. And a million
people have been killed and wounded, and so you know
that's a cost of the Paris Uh. I'm a core
as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
You know, the rise of Russia. It's you pointed out,
and it's absolutely true. So you can look at the
Ukraine War and think this paris the Court absolutely contributed
to it because they contributed to Russia's successful energy energy sector.
Then you look at the Green New Deal. What a scam?
How much money has been wasted? I guess my question
is it didn't. Emissions have gone up, temperatures have not
gone up as well, so there's no correlation or has

(58:48):
there's you have, as you pointed out, El Nina and
El Nino Nino, But let me ask you, people had
to I don't believe people were just ignorant when they
did this. I think that the people made a generation
wealth doing this under the banner of weak care and
we care about the climate, talk about the cap and
trade deals that people do, and all the money making

(59:08):
machines that so called climate change agenda ignited that I
don't think we give enough attention to.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Okay, so let's just start out with that ten trillion
It went someplace and rich somebody for doing nothing. In
the US, we had the Inflation Reduction Act, which was
one point two trillion. Trump so far has only been
able to get rid of five hundred billion, so that's
still an acute subplace trade. California have had cap and tray,
for example, since twenty twelve, they've raised you know, billions

(59:37):
and billions of dollars and you know, all their emissions
cuts through cap and tray. I mean, not only have
they cost Californias dearly in terms of energy prices and
gasoline prices, but they've also all been offset by all
the wildfires. So it's just been billions for nothing, and
that is really the story of climate. It's just all

(59:58):
fraud and disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Steve, what about John Kerrey, former Secretary of State here
for the US, instrumental in dealing with the Climate accord.
What do you make of him and his role in
all of this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
Well, he's one of the most outrageous characters, even more
so really than Al Gore. Al Gore I can at
least think believes the crap that comes out of his mouth.
But John Kerrey he knew. He knew in twenty fifteen
when he was at Paris, when he made his speech
at you know, the Paris Meeting, he said that you know,

(01:00:32):
all industrial nations could stop admitting today and it's going
to make no difference. And he's absolutely right about that
because of all the emissions in developing countries like China
and India. So you know, why did we spend ten
trillion dollars for nothing? You know, I mean he knew.

(01:00:54):
And then when he became the you know Biden's climate
on boy, you know, we re entered Paris. We you know,
it was used as the excuse for the Inflation Reduction Act.
I mean, the whole thing has just been a disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
You know what we were feeling an impact. There was
this major push.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
You saw power coal fired power plants shut down with
any all without an alternative energy source ready to flip
the switch on when they shut them down. We started
to see a scarcity of energy generation. Now we have fuel.
It's been announced by Valero Energy that they're they're going
to write off a billion dollars to shut down a
refinery in California, then to try and comply with California's

(01:01:35):
ridiculous irregulations, really trying to do this very thing and
now shut it down. What happens when California was the
third had the third most refineries in America, thirds the
state with the third most, When that kind of supply
is interrupted. They're not the only company that's completely shutting
down refineries that we haven't built a new one since
seventy seven. You got Chevron doing the same thing in California.

(01:01:56):
What's going to happen going forward with the lack of
energy production or generation? Andy refinery shutting down.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
Well, their finers are probably the scariest part because where
we going to get the gasoline from, especially the state
like California. You know, because of California's crazy regulations on
air quality, they require special blends of gasoline, which is
one of the reasons why gasoline is so expensive in California.
And if they don't make that gasoline in California and

(01:02:23):
it has to be pipelined in from someplace else, that's
really going to make gasoline expensive. And I don't you know,
I don't think Californias are going to stand for gasoline
being shipped in by Branker. That doesn't make much sense either.
You know. The fighting part of the California's experience is
that Gavin Newsom imagine he can replace oil industry workers

(01:02:44):
with state workers at these refineries.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Steve, I, I have final question for you, what will
it take if we can to recover from this Paris
climate change, and do you see it starting to happen
now or will we never be able to change it?

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Well, that's a great question. While President Trump is trying
to change it, and you know he's making progress. But
of course, you know they're the Chamber of Commerce is
against getting out of the wind industry, the utility industry,
the oil industry that you know, they for for weird reasons,
they've all sort of developed a liking for climate regulation

(01:03:26):
and it's it's screwing the rest of us, but it's
great for them. And so you know people like that.
They're constantly in the White House working on Trump's staff
and they're slowing things up, guming up the works. And
of course that he has the environmentalists doing the same thing,
and you know they have a very very strong pull
in Congress. It's one of the reasons that one big
beautiful bill I couldn't get rid of all of the

(01:03:48):
green new scam, only some of it. So, I mean
it's a real battle even with Republicans in charge.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Steve Malloy joining us on our Newsmaker line talking about
the Paris climate cord and what happened ten years ago
and everything that we've suffered through. Fortunately, Donald Trump saw
right off the bat and got rid of it as
soon as he got an office. Greg. I mean, that's
pretty obvious.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
It is to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
And as you heard, there's not any measurables that show
that any of it had any merit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
To it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, none, when money spent.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Carbon's gone up, but temperatures have gone down. Everything that
you would associate with If Carvin went up, the temperatures
were supposed to go up, that's that was kind of
the thing. So for them to go down with the carbon,
you know, carbon going up, it's it's again. It's I
think there. I don't think that people were missed. I
don't think that people were misguided or they thought they
were right and they were wrong. I think people saw

(01:04:39):
a way to make money and play on the fears
of people that wouldn't know any different. And this thing
has been a scam from day one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Yeah, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, yeah, it has.

Speaker 17 (01:04:47):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
When we come back, if you didn't catch the show,
at the start of the show today we played for
you this audio of this this nurse in Chico, California,
really berating an employee at a Target store who was
wearing a red T shirt, but a red T shirt
that had the phrase freedom across the front of him.
It was obviously a Charlie Kirk T shirt to honor

(01:05:10):
Charlie Kirk. It was read in line with policies of
Target and this activist leftist when after this nurse like
you wouldn't believe. We will play that audio if you
missed it in the four o'clock hour, and there are
some new developments in this case today as we learn
more about this nurse and herzany family. Yes, yeah, get

(01:05:30):
ready for this, folks, that's coming up on the Roden
Gregg Show and Talk Radio one o five to nine.
Knrs CAT. We're about forty minutes away from the President's
address to the nation. You'll hear it live right here
on Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can I ask
will preempt a few minutes at the Jesse Kelly Show
and then pick up our regular programming after the President
has done talking to the nation. We've been talking today

(01:05:51):
and many of you may or may not have seen this.
It is some shocking video a far left activist nurse
berating an elderly employee over her decision to wear a
Charlie kirk Freedom shirt to the Target store.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
This this to come up to an employee at Target
and just speak to them the way that this woman
does without regret before you even find out it's you know, worry,
I mean frighteningly that she's a nurse, but take her
profession out, just the way an adult would treat another adult.
It's it's beyond the pale.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yeah, it really is. Well, if you haven't heard this
yet or seen the video, or I'll play this back
for you now, please understand there are a lot of
bleeps in this message because she she's a swear bear. Yeah,
but I think I really want you to listen to
how this elderly employee at Target, I think really handled
this thing very very well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
They let you wear that shirt shirt? Yes, why are
you taking my picture?

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Why are you wearing that shirt? You're working?

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
It's not your red shirt. I can wear red Anny
red shirt. It's not a plane shirt. It doesn't have
to be so Charlie kirkshirt. Yes, oh yes, I know
he's stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
No, why the fun would you wear that You're at
work at Target. That's not a Target shirt. It's not
a plain red shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
You support a racist, it's not racist. You support a racist.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
He's not, yes, he is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Yes, I'm sorry, but I sat here and arguing you're not.

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
You should go get your manager. You should not be
allowed to wear that at work. Unacceptable, unfunacceptable. Got your
The opinion is he's a fun racist and you support him.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Yes, you're pinion, and you should.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
You should not be allowed to wear that. This is
going to be taken above your head. That's insane, insane and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
That nerves or that woman, the act of its nerves
has now been identified as I believe it's pronounced Michaalia
Pond's works at a nurse at en Low Health. That's
a nonprofit healthcare system based in nearby Chico, California, where
she has held patient care roles. How would you like
her taking care of you?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Absolutely not. She hears about the Roddy Gregg Show. She
would knock me off, she'd killed me, Yeah she would. Yeah,
she's nuts. That lady is crazy. How do you go
up to an adult and speak to another adult that way?
And getting into a grown adults business? I mean she
has a boss, she works there. If she's not wearing
the right shirt that's handled within Target, not some wacko

(01:08:33):
shopper coming up and berating her. The fact she's wearing
it means that she can wear it at work.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yes, and Target has no problem. Target's had its own
problems in the past, right, but in this case, not
there in this woman. By the way, the healthcare system
put out this statement late this afternoon. The name of
the company is called en Low Health and here's what
it says. En Low Health acknowledges that the off hours
behavior by a medical assistant employed in one of our

(01:08:59):
outpatient clinics, as depicted in a recent social media post,
was abhorrent and deeply concerning to our caregivers, our organization,
and our community. The Target employee, who was verbally accosted
in the post deserves significant credit credit for handling the
situation in a very calm and collected manner. Unfortunately, the

(01:09:21):
nurse didn't know how to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
No, they don't talk about so you reput you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
So she wanted to go above that woman's head in
terms of complaining to her supervisor about her choice of
shirt that she was wearing. But then people were so
offended by what she how she treated her they felt
that was a poor reflection on the healthcare facility, and
so they put out that. That's why they put that
out because they got a lot of public outrage that

(01:09:48):
that lays a nurse who wants to come to this
This sounds like a house of horrors. You have someone
like that. It even gets worse though, folks, because in
the effort of finding out who that person was, by
way she filmed someone didn't film her doing this so
disconnected and things that her worldview is the only view
that you can have her. You you suffer from moral
failings or intellectual failings. She posted that video. She's the

(01:10:10):
one that took the video of that thing, and so
she her own actions. The woman that's being accosted didn't
didn't take it, didn't do it, she didn't film it,
and say, look what I had to put up with.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
That woman did it as if it were good what
she did. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Anyway, when they found out who she was, there's a
picture of her husband, yes, and daughter and her daughter
behind a car that has what does it say about Charlie.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
We talked about Charlie Kirk being a hero and freedom
and freedom with Charlie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Kirks like supporter of Charlie Kirk on the back of
the car. They take a selfie picture behind this car.
That says Charlie Kirk and he her husband points like
his hand as a gun to his neck, and his daughter,
their daughter is flipping off the camera and like flipping
off the car but the camera at the same time.
That's the that's the nightmare nurse. The husband and their

(01:11:00):
kid talk about the Adams family or the monsters only
like in a scary movie, not a funny movie. They
are they are, that's a nightmare family. I wouldn't go
to that healthcare facility if I thought, think about you,
I think you mentioned it. What if you had a
I have a Trump shirt, I have a I have
a make America Great hat. Again forbid, I'm in an
accident and I get carted into there with something that

(01:11:22):
would heaven forbid suggest that I support Donald Trump. She'd
just I think she would not treat me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Well, it's off duty. Can the company fire her?

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Well, look, I don't know what their laws are.

Speaker 9 (01:11:35):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
There's a lot of places that you don't have to
have caused the fire. You can let begots and out
will employ California. Oh yeah, that's true. That's that's California.
So probably I don't know, probably not, but I'll tell
you this, it's there's a free market. I would not
go it's California. They're all leftists there. They probably there's
probably not a Trump support to be found other than
a target that poor lady. But but I think that

(01:11:58):
anyone that behaves that way generally, that would talk to
another adult way that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Woman did it is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
You wouldn't want that person delivering healthcare to you under
any circumstance.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
You just wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
There's something wrong. There's something wrong with them. There really
is a family. This fatigues me the most about Republican
you know, Republican so called leaders that say it's everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
It is not a left, folks, wake up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
The left is violent. The left is attacking the left.

Speaker 9 (01:12:25):
That it is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
There is no equivalent to what we're seeing here on
our side. There's there isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
All right, We've got more to say. We'll talk about
the President about to make a decision on marijuana. That's
coming up right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n RS now tomorrow. There is word
coming out tonight Greg that tomorrow the President expected to
sign an executive order that would reschedule marijuana to a
lower drug classification, a move that would ease federal restrictions

(01:12:54):
that would not mean full legalization, according to a source
familiar with the announcement tomorrow, but it is going to
call us some ripples.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
There was some discussion that descheduling would be a free
for all that recreational marijuana would be. It would just
be more profitable, just you know, just pump as much
taps as you can in it. But then the medical
cannabis is a different beast. But if they take it
from a Schedule one to a Schedule three, I think
it allows for physicians to prescribe it instead of what

(01:13:23):
they do right now they use the word recommend yeah,
because it is a Schedule one and they're not allowed
to prescribe medical cannabis.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
So to help us sort this all out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
As our next guest, yeah, joining us on our Newiesmaker
line is Kevin Sabbad. He is his title is President
and CEO of Smart Approaches to Marijuana. We've had Kevin
on the show for a number of years talking about this. Kevin,
how are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Guys, Kevin, what's your reaction to what is expected to
happen with the President in marijuana tomorrow? What's your initial
reaction to this?

Speaker 18 (01:13:57):
Yeah, well, I think it's a real disappointment because the
President is listening to a few golf buddies that are
in the pot business as opposed to the science. That's
really the reality of it. I do want to gret something.
This will not allow marijuana to be prescribed, so I
want to make the only way Mariuia. Yeah, it's so confusing, though.
I don't blame you for thinking or saying that that's
the logical conclusion. But the reason that's not true is

(01:14:19):
that it would have to be approved by the FDA
and actual medicine that was marijuana, and we don't have that.
There are medicines today that can be prescribed that are
based on marijuana.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
There's a few of them.

Speaker 18 (01:14:31):
They've been available for years that there's no controversy there.
They're actually rarely used because they're inferior medicines for what
they're trying to treat. But they are available if you
need them. But that does not mean that overnight, the
millions and millions of products that are out there that
are being sold in these suspensaries become prescribable. That would
only be the case if those went through the FDA

(01:14:54):
process to be approved, So that will not happen. But
what will happen, we know are key things. Number One,
tax breaks for the industry, so the industry will be
able to write off business expenses and allow them to
advertise more and do frankly, a lot more promotion, which
I think is a very bad thing. But they're very

(01:15:14):
obviously very happy about that, as any business would be.
But the second thing it's going to do is it's
going to give people the impression that marijuana is more harmless,
or let's say, less harmful than it used to be,
when the science actually says it's more harmful. So I
think this is a really bad move and it's also
very confusing, as you illustrate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
So here's the thing, and we dealt with this. I'm
a recovering public servant. I was in our Utah State
House and when I was speaker on my last term,
we had a ballot measure that was going to be
It said it was medical, but it was just written
to be recreational. So we had to do something to
find find some guardrails, working with law enforcement, working with
the medical industry. So we have this medical Cannabis bill.

(01:15:54):
But when we went through this, Kevin, we saw that
Pennsylvania had registered on their their Department of Health doctors
that were going through training and registering to be a
doctor that could recommend. And we see other states and
the and the challenge with this has been for states
is if you have thirty five states that Obama never
enforced federal law, and you have recreational and you have

(01:16:15):
a medicinal UH schedule on narcotics, which you are against
the law, enforcing any of it when it when it
hasn't been enforced at all has become so difficult. So
my question is, if you have doctors where there is
a medical cannabis not the recreational side that's there, and
they're doing this thing called recommending, does what does their

(01:16:36):
prospects look like? Because the theory had been look if
if it's it's against the law, but if they're going
to start arresting doctors for doing it, there's about thirty
states before you get to Utah. You can start with
their published list on their website of their health department.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
You can start go there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
What's a doctor to do if you have medical cannabis
in your state and you can recommend it right now
by state law?

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
What does this? Does this change schedule have any any impact?

Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 18 (01:17:04):
I will say that the vast majority of doctors will
not prescribe or sorry well to recommend right will not
recommend marijuana. And because it's just an inferior drugs for anything,
so they.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Don't do it.

Speaker 18 (01:17:17):
The people that do recommend the doctors, it's less than
two percent of the overall doctors. So it's honestly, this
is really now. It does present a very interesting thing though,
because Schedule three drugs all of which are FDA approved.
So this is a very weird instance. We have a
non FDA approoved that will three. It's unprecedented. Leave it

(01:17:39):
to Trump to do something unprecedented.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
I get it.

Speaker 18 (01:17:42):
But but but for Schedule three, they have advertising limitations,
they have medical claim limitations. This could actually put all
of them in major legal jeopardy and they don't even
know it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
They're cheering this on.

Speaker 18 (01:17:56):
But I say, be careful what you wish for, because
if you're a you know, thailent All with codeine is
a Schedule three drugs. We can't have tailent all with
codeine in gummy bears. That's not allowed. We can't have
tailan all with codeine being advertised for cancer patients as
a merico cure not allowed. They would go to prison,
the executives if they kept doing that. So it's going

(01:18:17):
to be very interesting what this actually means as it
plays out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, Kevin, I know you keep your eye on these
all the time. What are some of the latest studies
showing about marijuana use, especially recreational marijuana use in the
what thirty thirty one states that now allow What are
these studies starting to show.

Speaker 18 (01:18:36):
Well, they're showing a very grizzly they're painting a very
very grizzily picture. And let me just tell you why.
First of all, the marijuana today is not the marijuana
of the past. So whatever people bloomers think about what
it was like in the sixties, seventies, eighties, and even nineties,
you just forget about it. It's a different drug. It's
been genetically bred to be completely different, much stronger than before.
So we're seeing a couple of things we've never seen before.

(01:18:58):
We're seeing very quick on that long lasting psychosist some
of that psychosis is leading to violence. We've never seen
that before.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
It's huge.

Speaker 18 (01:19:06):
We're saying, schizophrenia huge, worst thing you could ask for
for anybody. Schizophrenia. We're seeing a link. We're seeing part
disease forty two percent increased risk. We're seeing stroke twenty
five percent increase risk. We're seeing diabetes fourfold increased risk.
So things that we had never seen before. Just that's
just from this year, by the way, guys, that's not

(01:19:26):
even I'm literally talking about studies like that's come out.

Speaker 6 (01:19:29):
In the last six months.

Speaker 18 (01:19:30):
So we're seeing things we have never seen before and
it's causing a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
One of the discussions happening in Utah is in this
space is that when the law says in Utah that
you have to have a certain percentage of a max
of THC or whatever, the scary part that's happening is
the remaining percentage. It could be a cannabinoid nobody knows,
or something that was artificially produced and there's no understanding

(01:19:58):
of what's in that that could have an adverse effect
on someone's body. So there's a there's a there's an
issue about purity and things like that. What about the
other things that are in these products that they're selling
that people don't know anything about. The people selling it
don't know, couldn't tell you what's in there. What do
you have any well, are you dial into that at all?

Speaker 18 (01:20:20):
Yeah, No, definitely, It's completely unknown what's in this stuff.
This is the myth of regulation. This is what we
were told if we legalized or medicalized, we could actually
know what's in it. We don't know what's in it
because these labs, more than half of them, are bogus.
They're owned by the same people that own the actual
pop shops and invested by the same people. It's a
completely shady, shady industry for the most part. So the

(01:20:42):
bottom line is we don't actually know what's in it.
I tell people buy or beware. You do not know
what you're getting from these pop shops. I don't care
how regulated or how slick do you think the packaging is.

Speaker 6 (01:20:52):
You just don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:20:53):
And what we're finding when we do independent testine is
increased mold bacteria, road denticides, pesticides. Marijuana is a finicky plant,
it's a very energy intensive plant. That's why, you know,
anybody who cares about the environment, frankly, I can't imagine
them wanting to use marijuana because the amount of energy
in marijuana, especially the indoor growth, it's crazy, much more

(01:21:15):
than fossil fuels per you know, per item that are
being used. So if we don't know what's in it,
they don't want to waste the products. So if there's mold,
they try and brush it off and keep it there,
but they can't tell if there's microscopic mold or other
things going on. You really don't know what's in it.
You also don't really know the GHD content they're finding.
The labeling is all wrong. Sometimes it's way under sometimes
it's way over you.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
You just don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Kevin, A final question for you, the genie is out
of the bottle on this. Where do we go from here?
Where do we go? I mean you have your organization
talks about smart approaches to marijuana. Where do we go
from here?

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
Well?

Speaker 18 (01:21:50):
I think where we can go is we need a
lot more education. People are starting with the president. I
hate to say it, but we are not getting the
information out of what the science is saying, and so
we need to do a much better job at that.
We need much more education, including physician education, but parent education,
because again parents are dealing with something that they did
not deal with. It's a completely different drug. I don't

(01:22:11):
think people should be put in prison for viewing marijuana.
But we don't need to have a false psychotomy of
massation or mass criminalization. We can actually have prevention treatment.
We need to have major limits on the company's THHD limits.
Nobody needs ninety nine percent pure PhD that blows your
brain apart. We need much stricter limits advertising rules. I

(01:22:32):
will say some of the states are starting to reverse
their policies, at least talking about it. Massachusetts and Maine
they're going to vote in November to repeal it. So
the story, you know, this isn't over yet.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Kevin, always great chatty with you. Thank you. We appreciate
a few minutes of your time tonight.

Speaker 18 (01:22:47):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Thank you guys all right on our newsmaker line. That's
Kevin Sovett. He is the CEO of Smart Approaches to Marijuana. Again,
the President expected to make an announcement on reclassifying marijuana
to rescheduling. I think is what they call it. That
could be coming up tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Yep, yeah, it's I'll man, I tell you there's a
there's a lot going on there. I think there's good
players in the space I and but there are certainly
bad players. I think there is an efficacy to medical cannabis,
and I think there's a way to get to purity
where you don't have these things in it that a
lot of these medical cannabis and pharmacies do have unknown
elements or cannatabinoids in there in their products. I think

(01:23:26):
there has to be a pharmacy grade something in our state,
like the state law that says it needs to be
at a certain grade. It's defined, it's defined medically in it.
You have to get there. And I think that that
raising the bar will either expose that none of it
really works, or raising the bar will show the good
players that where there is things because there I know
there are cases of seizures for young children and others

(01:23:47):
that that this is addressed successfully. So anyway, it's but
it is it is problematic. I will say that we.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Have a few more talkback comments on the discussion we
had about giving children freedom today. We'll let you hear
those don't and remember, in just about ten minutes, the
President addresses the nation and you'll hear it live on
Talk radio one oh five nine. Kay Ana, we just
talked with Kevin Sabbett about marijuana. We earlier had a
great discussion with Kelsey Piper talking about the freedoms that

(01:24:19):
we enjoyed as kids that our kids today don't enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Yeah, we drew some great commentary and observations from you
the listeners, and it was very good.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
It's exactly what I would expect.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Yeah, well, we want to go back to some of
the talkback comments. We didn't get them all in. Here's
some of the comments we heard from our listeners as
we talked about freedom for our children.

Speaker 12 (01:24:38):
I think the biggest thing that's changed with our kids
is actually a society shunning the parents for letting them
go out and explore and be an independent because the
parents these days now are worried about if they do that,
that they get in trouble and CPS to get called
on them, So they're more watching them like a hawk

(01:25:00):
instead of letting them go and do what they want.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
You know, neighbors who rat you out, tell you what. Yeah,
it wouldn't be neighbors much longer.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I think that's ridiculous. Yeah, some of the things that
they think are put kids in harms way are just ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Here's another coming.

Speaker 21 (01:25:16):
I think Rod hit it right on the head. It's
all about freedoms. We felt them as kids out playing
and spending hours out alone, even getting a driver's license,
the amount of freedom we were allowed with those. Now
some days kids don't even want to get a driver's license.
Why should they, because mom's taking care of me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Yeah, that's sad.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Yeah, ver's licens.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
I drove before I had driver's licenses. I was driving
illegally before I ever had to get before I ever
had a driver's license, I was I was jumping in
cars and driving. Again, not the best practice, folks, not
endorsing it, just just confessing it. But look, technology hurts
us that too, because what cars automobiles did is it
allowed you to go see your friends. It allowed you

(01:26:01):
to get out. Now you can get on the phone.
Now you can talk to anyone anywhere. You don't need
the phone to have a really long cord to take
it and put it under the door of your room
and shut it so you can have the phone inside
of your room from from the kitchen wall.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
You don't have to do any of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
So I think that that FaceTime and all of technology
it has allowed, it doesn't require the transportation needs that
young people used to need to be able to see
each other or feel that way. So it's that plays
against that feral child advantage that I think we have
that they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Some of the steps that we have taken have been
good car seats, good idea. I like s, but there
are somes to just let your kids go out and
play without fear of a neighbor saying, hey, their kids
are alone, I'm gonna call the cops. Come on, folks.
I mean we enjoyed that, we enjoyed those freedoms. Did
we get into trouble, Yeah, probably, but we figured out

(01:26:55):
a way out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Trouble is good for you too. We learned consequences, don't
you sure do?

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Great discussion that we've had today, and we appreciate this,
appreciate you listening to us. All right? That does it
for us? Tonight, Head up, shoulders back. May God bless
you and your family, this great country of ours. Live
coverage of the President's addressed to the nation. Coming up next,
Stay with Us is coming your way.

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