The Rod and Greg Show: National Resilience; Utah's Struggle with Gas Prices; No Kings Protest

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Does this help us, you know, with this so called
drought we seem to always live in.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I would think it would would put more moisture in
the ground, which is good. So when it does snow,
it won't just you know, evaporate or go away. It
will it will hang around. Well, I hope. I don't
know what either of.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I don't like it wet. I'm not a duck, so
I don't like it. But if it's helping, I think
it's helping. It's fine. Because it's doing it at night.
I don't mind if it rains at night.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah it rain, Yeah, yeah, it rained all night livestime.
I think for the most part, Well, how are you everybody?
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
We can't speak enough of this app but it's so
great because you get that talkback live, and this show
I think has just gone next level with the talkbacks.
I really appreciate you ladies and gentlemen for participating in
that because I think that thirty second take. It's hard
sometimes maybe to call in. We love our call ins
by the way, but if you can't call in, it's
always a great feature.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I think, yeah, yeah, it is, and we use it
all the time. Now, we've got a great show lined
up today and we're gonna be talking about the nation's resiliency.
You know, we're two hundred and fifty years old next year,
and we've we've bounced back on several occasions. We'll talk
about that. We'll get into gas prices. Both of us
very passionate about gas prices in Utah and trying to
figure out what intarnations is going on. Lawmakers, well, they're

(01:16):
aware of it as well, and we'll get into that.
Steve More, we got to hold of Steve today. He'll
join us talk about the impact of the nation's economy
a little bit later on. There's a no Kings protest
again in Salt Lake City up at the state capitol
on Saturday. Will you be there.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I know I thought they canceled their application, but maybe I.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Think at city hall they did.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, but up to the state capital, to the state capital,
State capitol, Wow, they had a you know, they shot
one of their own last time. I mean, the media
doesn't want to cover it because you know, it's liberal
leftist on leftist violence. They never cover that, but seems
to be a bit dangerous to me when you think
about it. I'm not I'm not going to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Hey, I got better things I do.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I'm also against kings. I'm against King Biden. I'm against
his weaponizing of our federal law enforcement. I'm against all
that we've seen him do, which I would think looks
closer to a king and a monarchy than what we're
seeing with President Trump. So I think they've monopolized the
no king's slogan, and I think that you can't really
point to Trump being guilty of being a king. I

(02:15):
think that was the Biden administration.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You'd think enough, I'd take it back even further than that,
I'd sink King Barak. Yeah, well, I think actually was
worse than Biden, And if that's at all.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Possible, He's going down kicking and scream and every time
he gets on a podcast he just cries harder about
how what he wanted and the rules he created are
not being followed and he's mad about it, and he's mad.
We don't have a parliamentary form of government where there's
a shadow prime minister it's like, well, you know, you
just said it was you. You know, you didn't leave
d C after you left office, so I think that

(02:45):
was you President Obama.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, Well, we've got a great show lined up for
you today. As we do each and every day, we
strive to serve, strive to make people informed and maybe
entertained a little bit as they work their way home
every afternoon. If you want to be a part of
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(03:07):
go on our iHeartRadio app put in can Arrest and
you'll see where you can leave a talk back comment
as well. So great show today. Well, another one has
bitten the dust, or at least a little bit, okay.
John Bolton, Yes, ex Trump National Security advisor John Bolton
and dited on charges of hm mishandling classified information.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
You know, this guy is such a loon. We always
knew he's alone and he was so critical of President
Trump when he was charged with being in possession of
classified documents. That was the alleged you know, you know,
charge against him. Bolton gets on CNN, MSNBC all the
regime media, and he just excoriates President Trump, saying he

(03:51):
should know better, and he's not that smart, and he
is so clearly marked what you can and can't take.
He just went to great lengths. Did he explain the
illegality of it all? Come to find out in his
home and his on his AOL email, on everywhere. This
guy's been breaking the law. This is something that the
Biden administration, I understand, was ready to charge him with,

(04:13):
but for political reasons they dropped. They didn't know what
the political reason was. He was an antagonist to Trump.
They didn't want to lose one of the traders that
were going you know, that turned on Trump and was
going after him, and they quite liked that. So they
didn't want to interrupt him, so they didn't. They just
drop the criminal charges.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, he faces up to ten years in prison on
each count in the indictment. So so far, Greg, we've
got Comy, We've got Tish James, we've got John Bolton.
Now and what is there anybody? La Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I got plenty. I'm telling you. Clapper Clapper him Clapper,
what's his name? Brennan? He needs to go through. He
threw him in a clink and I'll tell you the
Vanny willis from from Georgia. Another crook that needs to
be held accountable. Look, I just know this. I know
everyone in the regime media wants to say that, well,

(05:01):
you know, two wrongs don't make it right. You've even
had like the New York Times acknowledge, well you know
it wasn't right what they did. But should you do it?
All I know is this, if you if you wanted
to make the case that no one's above the law,
and there's their cases couldn't hold because they were contrived charges.
But if you have legitimate charges, and that's why you
have a court case and it's until proven guilty. But
if they have committed crimes, are they are they exempt

(05:23):
because the appearance would be that it's two wrongs make
a right, or you can accuse them of retribution so
they get immunity. You can't they can commit any crime
they want without penalty. That's not that can't be the
case if these people have committed crimes, and that's what
a court process is for charge them and see where
it lands. And it'll be hard in some of those
jurisdictions just on the politics alone to get a jury

(05:45):
to convict the Democrat period. But you know, because John
Durham couldn't do it. But anyway, let that happen. But
you can't take this decide that it's all political retribution
without any merit. It's and you should never charge them
if in fact they actually committed crimes, they can't be
immune from that.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, at least they're putting him through the process. I
think is let the process go and let it. Let
it you know, wherever it takes you, let it go,
but do the process. And that's I think that's what
they're doing now. Interesting last night there were two town
hall meetings. CNN had a town hall meeting last night

(06:22):
with Uncle Bernie and AOC on the panel last night
and it was basically Greg a what about a ninety
minute infomercial for socialism? Last night? On the other side,
here's News Nation holding a town hall meeting and they
had let's see Chris Cuomo on there. Stephen A. Smith
was on there. Bill O'Reilly was on there, and John

(06:44):
Fetterman was on there.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Now what that funny guy that's Republican Commerce in Burchett
is his name? Yes, he was on there too.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Oh was he on there. See him? Yeah, I didn't
see him. Well, I want to go to what AOC.
Now AOC to a lot of Democrats is the future.
She could be running for president twenty twenty eight, are
going after Chuck Schumer. That scared as the daylights out
of Schumer. By the way, well sometimes she says some
rather odd things. So listen to what she said last

(07:11):
night about the environment during this town hall event on CNN.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Rivers in rural areas were on fire because of corporations
poisoning the people who lived in those areas, poor middle
class communities getting poisoned and dumped on by corporations like
Deloitte and three M pouring chemicals into these places. And
they want to call it a democratic priority.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
No, wait a minute, Deloit is an accounting firm.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's what I thought. I thought they became Deloitte. I
don't know. Maybe these being counters are you know, they
got some chemicals up at their sleeve. We didn't know
about it.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know, I'm trying to figure out how did an
accounting firm start a river on fire?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Did they dump a lot of paper into it?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah? She's lost me. I don't know what she's talking.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
About you know what's frightening about her when she's saying
that they're a young women in that audience going shaking
their hair.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
That accounting firm has gone too far.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, I mean too far. That is what's so frightening
about AOC. She can say some of the wildest things
and gets away with it and nobody else. Who is it,
Caitlin Collins? Is she the moderator on this and the
White House correspond Why didn't she challenge her and say
you do know that Deloitte is an accounting firm right well?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And it gets you know, we've had a lot of
the Democrats in the regime media trying to run away
from this narrative that they want to provide taxpayer health
care for illegal immigrants. They've been trying to say that's
not true, that this is something she says it is.
AOC said yesterday everyone deserves health care and if they're
here illegally, it doesn't matter. Everyone deserves to have health care.
She's coming clean. She's saying the quiet part out loud.

(08:46):
They should be really challenging that because they've gone to
some length to try and say that that's not the
cause of the government shutdown that they want to provide
health care for immigrants, but of course it is. And
when asked her straight, you know she's not going to
offend her base. They all want to socialized medicine and
health care for every illegal ist year.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
That's what they want. That's what they want. Oh and
by the way, now, if you missed Abby's newscasts at
the top of the hour, Nancy Pelosi's Paddy a little
bit of her running with a journalist today in Washington. Well,
list to this exchange. But this journalist approached her and
had some questions about January sixth, and apparently Nancy didn't

(09:22):
like him.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Congress Aran Pelosi, are you at all concerned that the
new January sixth committee will find you liable for that?

Speaker 5 (09:28):
But I am right here.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Are you at all concerned about the new January sixth
committee finding you liable for that day? Why did you
refuse the National Guard on January sixth?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Thank you, shut up. I did not refuse the National Guard.
The President didn't send it.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Why are you coming here with Republican talking points as
if you're a serious journal The.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
American people want to know we still have questions, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
She pointed, her finger at the reporter, he said, shut up,
don't ask.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Me those questions, just so it keeps here. If you
get asked a difficult question and you're Nancy Pelosi or
you're on the left, that's called a republican talking point.
It's not a hard question. It's just a Republican talking
about She's expecting a media that only asks softballs. Or
are anti democrats? Anti Republican questions pro Democrat questions? That's
what she thinks journalism is.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
How dare journalists challenge you?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
How dare they do that?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Why are you asking democrat or Republican talking points? Now
it's called a hard question. I mean, I've seen the
video where she laments on January sixth while they're walking
through and doing a video like a documentary of her.
I should have done it. I this is on me.
I should have allowed those the National Guard. Then I
heard her say it.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So next time a reporter asked us a question, we'll
just point our finger and say, shut up.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, you're asking democrat talking points.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Shut up? All right, We've got a lot to come
right here. On the Thursday afternoon edition of The Rotting
Gregg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one o five nine
knrs or Wednesday Thursday afternoon, you're on talk radio one
oh five nine Kate and are asked, you know, you
talk to me people out there and they say, Greg,
we've never seen the country this divided.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, it's it's it's a little.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You hear it out there. But I don't know. I
still believe there are a lot of Americans who still
believe in the country and can get along despite our
political differences. Maybe I'm no.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I think there's always a counter. I think there's opposition.
So you have, you have an incredibly divisive atmosphere were in.
But I think you're seeing things I didn't think you'd
see almost a religious revival amongst this country, true, even
among young people, and you're seeing some I don't know.
I think gen z Is vote had voted more for
Trump and vote right of center than we've ever seen
that that that demographic of eighteen to twenty four, eighteen

(11:37):
to twenty nine vote since they've been polling. There's some good,
there's some good us there. But I have some big
concerns too about what our young people are seeing right
now and what you know, where they're feeling left out
in the fray.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Our next guest is Carl Cannon. We've had Carl on
the show numerous times over the years, always a great,
great gust. He's with Real Clear politics. Washington Bureau Chief
wrote an interesting article about America and are national resilience,
and Carl is joining us on our newsmaker line. Carl,
how are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg shows.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
I'm happy to be with you, guys.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Let's talk about our national resilience. How much of a
challenge is it right now? Do you think?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Carl?

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Well, we did this poll, Real Clear Opinion research, and
there's some troubling findings in there. You know, young voters,
those under forty, younger millennials and Gen Z, they don't
they think. Fifty seven percent of them say that they
think America's best days are behind us. And you know,
in only fifty two percent of voters under thirty say

(12:39):
they're proud to be an American, proud to be Americans.
That's like almost twenty points less than the next lower groups.
So either these kids, these young people are are suffering
in a way that we're not aware of, or they're
being taught all the wrong stuff in school.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Which I want to, so I think it's a combination.
I think they are getting in doctor in these schools.
But this is something I listened to after Charlie Kirk
was horribly and tragically assassinated, I went back and watched
a lot of his clips and he had an interview
with Tucker Carlson, and Tucker asked him, what are you
hearing on these campuses? And he said, I'll tell you
what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that it used to be
three times your annual wage to buy a house. It's

(13:16):
seven times of the wage to be able to buy
a house. We've now moved to average homeowner in a
late twenty eight year old now thirty eight years old,
so we've lost a decade. A lot of young people
in college are wondering if they're going to be part
of this so called free market or they're getting skeptical
of it. And Tucker was very surprised to hear that.
He says college kids are talking like that, and he said,

(13:37):
they are. Is there what's the truth to that? Do
you think? I mean, I think there's some entitled kids.
I think there's some indoctrination going on but I also
worry about crony capitalism and things that mate that I
experienced in my as I was a young person, and
the access to a free market I had versus what
twenty somethings might be seeing right now.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Listen, there is a lot to That's a good friend
of mine. John Dela Bolte, he does the he does
the Harvard Youth Poll or Heart I don't I don't
call it that anymore because it's college students, it's college
age students. And he's been doing it for twenty years,
twenty five years. And John John's he's a liberal Democrat,
but a very thoughtful guy, and he thinks that you know,

(14:18):
you have a generation of kids who grew up and
you know they've experienced COVID. You know, school shootings became
kind of a national epidemic. And even though your odds
of being killed in a school shooting are very small,
smaller than being killed in street crime, you know, you
have these huge schools, like you know, Parkland.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
High School in Florida.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
It's not just it's not just a seventeen families devastated,
but also every kid that there was traumatized. And so
you have you have hundreds of thousands of kids who
have first or second hand knowledge of this. And then
you add to that what you guys are talking about,
this very difficult economy for young people, and housing is
the big thing you hear about, and then on it's

(15:02):
just too it. And then on top of that you
have AI has already starting to eliminate entry level jobs,
so John Delilope said, and I think there's something to it,
and so do a couple of people I interviewed. I
interviewed Spencer Kimball read the Conservative poster or Liverpolster, and
they kind of these posters are on college campus to
say some of the stuff you're talking about, that that
these these challenges are real for the kids, and if

(15:22):
we don't for the young generation, if we don't deal
with it, we're begging trouble.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Hey, Carl, how do we turn that pessimism around into optimism?
Is that even possible at this point, do you think, Carl?

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Well, you know, it's it's interesting you say that this
guy running for mayor of New York, Mom, Donnie, I mean,
you know Trump, President Trump today called him a communist.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
You know that's not far off.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
I mean, he's a Uganda born socialist who you know
has been spouting Jahadis language for years. But he's not
talking that way right now. What's made what's giving him
traction in New York City is he uses that word affordable.
I'm going to make New York City affordable. And I
there's some Republicans, Republicans in the Senate and the House
talk of the same thing. There's this idea that America

(16:06):
isn't affordable anymore. And who bears the brunt of that, well,
people on fixed incomes and young people and you know,
the retirees who can't make any more money, and the
young people are just starting out. And if we've made
it hard, I don't mean we, but if it's hard
now to get to take your place in life, to
do the things I did, to get married, to get
a mortgage, to have kids, if that seems out of

(16:27):
reach to you, you're going to be pessimistic. So I
think we need to I think we need to pay
attention to what these teachers are teaching our kids. I
think that's very important. I think some of this anti
Americanism that starts as early as grammar school, I think
that should be dealt with. But The other thing is
if if you want people to believe in America, they
have to have a sense of their own efficacy, you know,

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to join the middle class and take their place in society.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
That's true, That's true.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Carl is always great chatting with her. Great thoughts. We
appreciate your time. Have a good weekend. Thanks Carl anytime.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Carl Cannon joining us from Real Clear Politics. He's right on.
You've brought this up numerous times where the system right
now for a lot of young people just is not
working and they're looking for something new.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I want people to get their heads around this for
the same reason I think young voters think that Donald
Trump is a disruptor, okay, and they like it because
they don't think the current system is working for them
and they like a disruptor. Is the same reason young
people are many are looking at Mom Donnie. It's not
because they love lenin social or communism. It's because they'll
try anything because they don't think the current system is

(17:33):
working for them. Now, they'll be very disappointed.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
With the product find out.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
If they get a social system, it won't be what
they're promised. But I think you're seeing young people willing
to try embrace disruptors because they think the current system
is working against them. And I can't argue it's right.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I mean when you cannot, I mean, we were able
to afford to get into a home. Yep, you know
they can't. I mean some of the prices are just
absolutely ridiculous anymore. And they're concerned about the impact of
AI because it is going to have an impact on
every industry out there. AI is already having an impact.
They may not have jobs to go to. It's going

(18:10):
to be a real challenge for some of.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
These I was I I've never lived in a home
owned by any one of my family growing up. I
was twenty nine when I owned when I was able
to get my own home. Okay, that's America. Yeah, and
that's the America I think these kids are looking for
that they're worried they don't have.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, all right, We've got a lot more to get to.
One of the most annoying issues in this state. Greg
and I will talk about it coming up next right
here on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio
one oh five nine kN rs constantly talk about on
this show, and there's a lot of frustration, not only
from us too, but also a lot of consumers out there.
You know, you hear about energy prices in this country

(18:47):
that they're going down. Donald Trump a big supporter of
you know, energy in this country or or or you know,
more oils being produced. We're looking now at coal and
natural gas. But we see prices gas lean prices here
in Utah, and we go, what on earth is going on?
Nothing is moving?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, you know, folks, you call, We can talk about
this on the program all the time. We President Trump's
bragging we got sixty dollars less than sixty dollars a
barrel for cruise. You're going to pay two dollars a
gallon at the pump. And we're looking around our here
in Utah going what gives It's three thirty nine where
I'm at, where I live, and our our averagers right
now for the state as of triple A today is
three thirty eight a gallon in the state of Utah.

(19:26):
Joining us on our program is my state representative, Cal Roberts, Representative.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
Thanks Greg, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Okay, here's my question. Why does the state of Utah,
with all of the we have five refineries. We have
pipelines from Wyoming to those refineries in North Salt Lake.
We have you in a base in Wells, but Wells
in the basin of oil. Why on earth are we
paying so much for gas, more so than thirty one
other states and that are paying in the two dollars

(19:57):
range in the United States. Would you say no pressure.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
Well, that's the question. Certainly start with this, Greg. I'm
a big fan of the show. Here's what I love
about what you guys do. You take the national stories
and you make them local relevant locally, and that's what's
going on here with gas prices.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
You hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
President Trump has been unleashing American energy over the last year.
It's been just remarkable to watch to see what they've
done at the national level. Crude oil, as you mentioned,
is that fifty eight dollars or barrel. That's down twenty
percent from a year ago. Now, Colorado's prices have dropped
twelve percent in the last year. Utah's prices two percent.

(20:38):
And here's what's crazy. Here's what's crazy. When Utah's drive
across the state lines, they look at the price at
the pump that they're paying and they wonder, what, you know,
what's the magic as soon as they cross the state lines,
why do prices suddenly magically drop. If you look at
San Juan County, which is in the southeast part of
our state, average fuel price right there is three dollars

(20:58):
and forty four cents. You cross the state line into
Montezuma County and Colorado prices dropped to two dollars and
ninety six cents. That's a fifty different So.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Here's the real issue.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
The state of Utah.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
We have supported our oil and gas industry. It's been
an absolute miracle what's happened in the basin. Production has
gone way up over the last five years. And we've
supported our refinery industry as well. We've we've offered them
high cost infrastructure tax credits, which is an income tax
credit to help offset some of their costs when they
transition to a cleaner fuel. We actually tax exempt fuel

(21:33):
that they export out of the state. We've done regulatory
and permit reform, and yet we're still not seeing the
benefit at the state. And so I think you know.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
You've you've banged on the drum.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
I think all Summer speaker Mike Schultz here at the
Utah House has really been leading the charge and we're
focused on seeing ways that we can drive down that
the gas price for everyday Utah's at.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
The pump representative, you hear the arguments. Two of your
arguments I hear all the time. First of all, Utah
I think converted to Tier one gas or Tier three.
I believe it is that made it more expensive. And
one of the reasons is we ship a lot of
our gas to other states like Oh, California. How do
you respond when you hear those comments.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Yeah, well that's spot on.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
So in Utah, we produce two hundred and twenty seven
thousand barrels of manufactured fuel every day. We only consume
one hundred and sixty eight thousand barrels of manufactured fumes.
So look at our refineries in Salt Lake North salt Lake.
We produce one and a half times the amount we consume,
and yet we're still paying higher prices. Part of the
reason why is because we are a part of this

(22:36):
larger regional market. So although we're increasing production in our state,
you've got the big West coast states like California, Washington, Oregon,
they're actually reducing production. So their production's down twelve percent
over the last ten years. And the problem there is
that it's putting pressure up on prices throughout the region.
And what happens, because we are a net export state,

(22:58):
is our refineries are chasing that higher margin out of
the state.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
And here's my frustration. I'm staring right now at the
at the TRIPAA web website their fuel prices. They do
a very good job of showing you the national averages.
They take the states, they break them down and it
is exactly as you say. These these western states, California, Oregon,
and Washington, they have bled over to the adjacent states.
So you've got this western region and they are driving
these the highest prices in America right now. As soon

(23:24):
as you get east of Utah, you start to see
the prices go into the two high two dollars a
gallon range. Iowa. I looked at Iowa last night. They
don't have a single refinery. They have no wells, no
oil wells, they don't have pipelines bringing it to a
refinery like we do. From Wyoming two hundred and fifty
five miles to the refineries in North Salt Lake. They're
at two seventy five a gallon representative, I want their

(23:47):
free market. Can we just get rid of can we
get rid of refineries, get rid of all this the
supply chain that was supposed to be such a great advantage,
and get Iowa's two seventy five a gallon gasoline. I
don't know how they cannot have any infrastructure for gas
like we do and be crushing us on price.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
Yeah, yeah, well you hit the nail on the head.
One of the things is our friends up north in Idaho,
they have no refining capacity and if you look at
their dollar per gallon at the pump, it's only eight
or nine cents higher typically than what we pay here
at Utah. And this is actually what drives me crazy.
The fuel that leaves the state is tax exempt. So

(24:29):
when our refineries are manufacturing fuel, about sixty percent of
it stays in the state, forty percent goes to Idaho, Nevada,
and Washington. And that fuel that leaves the state is
tax exempt, and so when it goes into.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Those states, they actually get to take.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
The tax base and they use our fuel as the
tax base to maintain their roads. And so one of
the things we're looking at doing is saying you know,
is that a right deal for the state of Utah.
We've done a lot to invest in our oil and
gas infrastructre sure, we've supported our refineries, and by the way,
I'm grateful we've got the refineries. I do think that
they lead to lower prices. But the question is are

(25:07):
we getting enough of the benefit and a fair deal
for people here at home.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I know this is a very hot issue for you,
Representative or also for Speaker Mike Schultz. Can we expect
some changes taking place from the legislature meets in January
on this issue. Yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
Under the leadership of the Speaker, we're working on a bill.
I think that it's going to try to rebalance some
of those imbalances on the tax side and see if
we can lower the cost of gas for Utah's at
the pump. Because let me just say this one last thing.
Our gas tax is one of the highest in the regions,
and I think there's a real opportunity for us to

(25:45):
drop that gas tax, and I think it'll put extra
money in the pocket here times.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm for that too.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
State Representative cal Roberts, thank you for your service, Thank
you for joining us on the program. Please keep us
front of mind in terms of updating our listeners on
the work that you're doing, because it is front of
mine for all of us. I mean, it's it is
we should be seen. It impacts our costs of groceries too.
Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Thanks guys, all right, that is State Representative Cal Roberts
joining us on our newsmaker line. This is an issue
that I think not only drives you and me nuts,
but I think a lot of people in this state,
they're going away a minute. I was just in this
state and I paid this What do you say there's
a fifty or forty difference between San Juan County and
Mana Zuma.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, and it's fifty cents. It was the fifty cent
different just crossing that state line. Lower our gas tax
if there, if you're going to send gas out, have
a tax at the rack that goes out, and so
that if they're going to get our clean fuel they're
driving so California, they were, they haven't renewed their refineries.
They're shutting down there. They're driving our prices up.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Why are we being punished for them not having a refiner.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
And why does not have the fuel infrastructure if it.
If we're going to be in the highest bracket of
gasoline in the United States of America, why even bother?
I mean, I'd rather have none of it, like Idaho
or Iowa and you know.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Have lower gas price. What are you unique idea? All right,
We've got a lot more coming your way on this
Thursday afternoon the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio
one oh five nine k n ars.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
We got more. It's like, well, I used to say
the gatling gun of you know of truth. But yeah,
maybe it's too violent now, maybe I gotta Maybe I
had to chill it out. It's the I don't know,
it's the uh. I can't carpet bomb you with truth bombs.
I guess that's that's violent too.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I don't know how to talk anymore. I don't know
how to all right, I'm not going to let you
do this again because you it's a ton twister. It's
time the way you didn't do all that green when
you actually tried you know what, you created your own.
You don't you're not reading the script. No, no, created
your own. I am a radio professional. I can't add
lib Yes, I see that. I tried to read the script.

(27:45):
You just made it easier and you blew it. Yeah,
because I didn't cheat like you are.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Am I cheating? How am I cheating?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
You're not reading what it says.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
You're making I don't have anything. I don't have anything.
This is off the top of my hand. Man, Are
you ready for this?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yes, let me hear it.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
We have four pack of tickets to lagoons fright Mayor
fears thirty years of that say good, huh. Don't don't
sit there and laugh.

Speaker 8 (28:10):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
We have a four pack of tickets. That means you
know what that means?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I know, which is, by the way, a huge deal
is that's a screaming deal.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
And I drive by there, you know, because on my
way home every night, and this fright mare is thing.
That place is packed.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
And you can see it because once it's dark you
can see the lights go on everything. Right.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I hate to say this. I haven't been a
lagoon forever. It's been a while for me too. Yeah,
but I live next miles away and you live close.
But fright Mayre's I know. My grandkids love it, and
a lot of people do like it. And we so
what we have four magic number Uh, call her number ten, Denny,
you got your dialing fingers. You're okay with that, Denny, Denny.
E Ray's not here today. He's up in Seattle. Yeah,

(28:52):
watching bomb last night.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, we won't want to be around the E Ray
next week if they get crushed. You're in the coming tonight. Yeah,
going forward, we'll take call her number ten right now.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. Caller
number ten. You get a four pack of tickets to
lagoons freightmares.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
It'll be funny, all right. One quick note, political note.
You know the mess created in Iowa with what was
his name, Ian Roberts. You know the superintendent up there
who they found out was illegal, Yeah, making two hundred
and fifty eight thousand dollars a year. And the woman
behind him, she was going to run for the u
A senate. Her name is Jackie Norris. She announced she's

(29:36):
not in the race anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I would think she hired this guy.

Speaker 9 (29:39):
She hired.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
He was here illegally, his education background was all false. Yeah,
not a good senate.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Not a good look, all right. Steve Moore econo met
Steve Moore joining us next on the Rotten Greg Show.
I'm a little disappointed. But what huh. I just saw
this on the Laura Ingram Show on Fox News. What
La Dodgers, who I've always admired as a baseball organization,
going to honor Leah Thomas. Who's that the Pennsylvania swimmer?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
No, yes, I thought I thought she was the mom
in Back to the Future.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, no, they're going to honor Leah Thomas.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Why.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I don't know, to honor the transgender community.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
I guess is he from LA.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, that's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, that's a little disappointed because always admired the Dodgers organization.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, there you go. Yeah, it's California. I guess we
shouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Well, it's great, public of California.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Great to be with you. Of course, the shutdown again.
They failed again today Greg tried to do another vote.
Yet hear the Democrats again just saying no, we are
not going to go along with it.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
They even threw a little, you know, a little wrinkle
into it, said, Okay, you don't want to do a
continued resolution, you don't want to keep hold serve until
as we negotiate. How about how about national security? Does
that move you can we at least fund our military
and keep that operable during this time. And the resound
it was, I believe it was a resounding.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
No, no, no, no, not at all. Well, joining us
on our newsmaker line to get the latest don this.
Steve Moore, noted Economists, also has a daily newsletter you
should get called to Unleashed. The Committee to Unleashed Prosperity
always has great, great articles in there. Steve, thanks for
joining us tonight. Give us your latest take on where
this shutdown is and where's going.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Well, you know I've been saying, is what if the
government had a shutdown and nobody came? Nobody there? So
I don't think a lot of people really are even
aware of this. Look, there's been some disruptions. I've been
traveling a lot the last couple of weeks, and there's
been some airline delays. That's a pain, no question about it.
But for the post part, I don't think people really

(31:49):
sense sector fire. I think, you know, so sooner week
gets us over with better obviously, because uh we don't
you know. But the most important thing is the Republic
cannot cave in here they're trillion dollars out of eighty
trillion dollars I'm spending, you know, so that's like two percent.

(32:09):
And the Democrats are saying, no, you can't cut it.
They want to bring back all of the meager spending
cuts the Republicans put in. So I think this is
the worst outcome for taxpayers and for the overall government,
I mean, overall health of the American economy would be
if Republicans get the trucking. Today, Donald Trump said he's
not going to. He said, you know, we're on firm

(32:30):
grant land here and we are not going to cave
into these kind of terrorist tactics by the Democrats. And
I hope he sticks to his guns, because I think
the more times they hold votes on this, the more
Democrats peel off because they have an untenable position.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I believe Steve that today they wanted to put a
defense bill in front of the Senators to vote for,
maybe even just getting the defense package voted exactly, and
they said no. And so my question is where does
the fatigue with the American people? Were they they where
are they feeling it? Is it what the Republicans as
the media, the regime media and the Democrats have always

(33:05):
successfully placed it. Or are the people smelling a rat
over there on the Democrats side.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, well, I think you raise a good point. First
of all, why would you not defect their national defense
and let our soldiers be paid? I mean, how cynical
is that. That's why I said the Democrats are holding
the American hostage and now our military and national Depts
hostage to their demands for more, you know, medicate for
legal Democrats just it doesn't make a lot of sense
to people on the Democrats and say, look, the Republicans

(33:33):
control the House, Senate, Presidency, but they can't control. They
don't control. They love to say the process, because takes
sixty votes get in the Senate to pass the budget,
and the Republics only have fifty three. It's like Truckie
Shooter's only lost three or four Democrats. So it's it's
it's an ugly situation, but it will be resolved, I
think in the next week or two. And I just

(33:53):
hope Trump doesn't then. I mean, the other big issue
that I wanted to talk to you guys about is
this issue of these critical minerals and which going now
with China. Yes, we have we have given control. I
am so angry and if we have curiated about this
because we give it and essentially a monopoly on critical
minerals and uh, and the kind of minerals we need

(34:15):
for our our defense systems, for our microchips, for our
manufacturing and uh, we didn't have to do that. We
have more. You know, we have this report that just
came out from Unleashed Prosperity. At the time, we have
twelve trillion, twelve trillion dollars or resources. You're there in Utah.
Utah has a lot of natural resources, and you know
we should be minding for these in an ecologically friendly

(34:39):
but environmentally imperative way.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Steve, if we in fact were able to get this
going and go after those critical minerals realistically, how long
would it take for those minds or whatever we have
to do to start generating what we need?

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yeah, well, next question, please, that's a tough one because
we we've we've been so set back. We it's been
doing mining, as you guys know, they're in Dewtah. We
haven't been doing it since the Clinton years, since Clinton
turned it off. That's what let me do. The map
there that's five years or something that we have found
almost no mining, so unfortunately will take a while to
get those minds up and right. Maybe five years, but

(35:17):
you know it's gonna take five years. Let's do it now,
let's get started.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Hasn't hasn't China done us a favor by sending out
these letters to countries around the world with their export
controls as they call them or whatever it is, to
bring this finally to a front burner. This isn't a
new issue for many of us. We've talked about this
vulnerability to China. They're rare minerals, they're processing monopoly. Is
it good that the president she did this because now

(35:42):
I think we've got to deal with it right now.
Does it create an additional urgency that China has moved
on this lever that they have.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Well, I certainly hope so. I mean, we're smart it
has because, as I've said, this is you know what
you call in sports an unforced air, right, I mean,
we have all the minerals and we don't use them,
and now we are in It's very similar to what
happened in the nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties when
the when the OPEC countries had a blade at the
neck of the American economy because we left them. And

(36:10):
now you know, we've done the same thing with these
critical minerals. So just as we ended OPEC by drill,
baby drill, we've got to do mine, baby mine. And
by the way, the Interior Secretary is excellent on this.
He's all in on this. He knows that we have
to be mining, and so I think we're going to
get it started. But you know, as you guys pointed out,

(36:31):
it's going to take several years for that to really
pay dividends.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, he's from the West. He understands what we have
out here on the West.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Eve one of the fantastic and say is Chris Wright,
he's the Energy Secretory. They both understand how important this is.
But isn't in a shame we haven't done mining for
twenty five years in this country.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, it's amazing, ridiculous. Yeah, Steve, final question with this shutdown,
a lot of the reports that I guess some people
say we need to judge where the economy is have
not been released because of the government shutdown. Is it
hurt us in any way? Steve?

Speaker 5 (37:03):
You know, little minor ways it's causing a lot of distractions,
and it's causing a lot of you know, the disruptions
I should say. But you know, we're talking about a
seven trillion dollar government that should be spending about five trillion.
That's seven trillia. So we need to start downsizing government.
And the one piece of good news is Trump announced
this week that he has reduced the federal workforce by

(37:26):
three hundred thousand people so far this year. That's called
draining the swap, and we're finally starting to do that.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, we are. Steve Moore as always great to have
you on the show. Steve, thanks for joining us tonight.
From the co founder of the Unleashed Prosperity email, former
top economic advisor to the president still meets with him
on a somewhat regular basis to talk about the economy.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, he is a major player in Washington, d c.
And is an economist that has the president's directing. I
mean probably a red telephone on the desk. And so
it's fun that we know he hasn't gone Hollywood on us.
He's still calls. We to talk to him every week.
For the most part.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
For the most part, we missum. He's a busy guy
travels around the country, but he makes some very good points. Greg,
I don't think anybody they aren't going to budge till
after the Well, they call that the no Kings offense
this weekend. We'll talk about that here in a few
minutes as well. But I tell you what, it could
be a while.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, well, we'll see, we'll see what happens. But I
think that the people are catching on that the Democrats
are the ones that are causing this. It really is.
I mean, I just hope that nobody gets weak willed
and that they do the right thing. And the right
thing is you can't keep spinning into oblivion. You can't
reverse the big beautiful bill policy changes or the Recision
Act changes. The majority of people voted the way they did,

(38:41):
and they can't hold hostage this country for policies that
they didn't have the votes to change.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Someone who has already broken ranks with the Democrats is
Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman. Now, he was in a town
hall meeting last night not only talked about the government shutdown,
talked about Kamala, and talked about his party. We'll let
you hear what he had to say when we come
back right here on the rod In Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs about John

(39:08):
Fetterman being elected to the US Senate out of Pennsylvania.
You're from Pennsylvania, if you were really worried.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
About this, I was. And I mean the hoodie that
he's trying to wear on the Senate floor and he
had a stroke so he couldn't really string sentences together.
It just seemed like a low point in Pennsylvania politics
that they would elect John Fetterman.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
And then he went to counseling because he was apparently
suffering from depression, and he came out of counseling making
some sense. Yeah, you know, I think the brain started
to heal. He starts stringing some sentences together. Now, I
know that the Democrat base is mad at him, but
you know he's he's not a conservative, don't get me wrong,
but he is talking common.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Sense, some common sense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Some of that is I think at least some political
acumen that he saw that Trump won Pennsylvania as a state.
He's seeing the order registration plummet in Pennsylvania for the
Democrat Party and the Republican grow, and he's starting to
see that that common sense is not being found inside
that party. No, he's affiliated with as much, so he's
speaking up a little bit.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Well, Axeo's had a story today that was a lot
of people talking about today in the fact that the
Democrats are now targeting him and they're going to challenge
him because they don't like what He won't attack Trump.
You know, he stands up against the shutdown and many
other issues, including Kamala He will He's not afraid to

(40:32):
praise the president when he thinks the President deserves praise,
like he did on the mid East seatsfire deal.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
He did that. He thinks the military should be paid,
not and not shut down. He thinks that he doesn't
like anyone being referred. He said he personally would never
compare anyone to Hitler because it's He's hilar was so
evil it almost diminishes the evil that was going on there.
To try and compare your political opponents to that makes
it makes sense. I mean when you hear that, you

(40:59):
I agree. But my worry about that is that where
you see the trend going Republicans way, John Fetterman could
be a Democrat. They could draw some of those common
sense Democrats that left that party because it's crazy back
to the Democrat Party to vote for him, which I
don't know that that makes the Pennsylvania GOP very strong.

(41:20):
But I got to tell you, I do appreciate the
leadership of John Fetterman, and I think he speaks for
the people who represents some Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Well, he was on that News Nation debate last night
and said a couple of interesting things. He was asked
about the shutdown and his thoughts.

Speaker 10 (41:33):
That's why shutting the government is really what the Democratic
Party wants to do. And I follow country, then party,
and it's the wrong thing for the country in a
period of chaos. I refuse to vote to shut our
government down.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
I absolutely would love to have.

Speaker 10 (41:52):
I would love to have a conversation about extending the
tax credits for healthcare.

Speaker 9 (41:58):
Absolutely, but I would.

Speaker 10 (41:59):
Remind everybody too, this was designed by the Democratic Party
to expire at the end of the year. This is
not something taken from by the Republicans.

Speaker 9 (42:10):
That's they were designed to expire.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Well, nas'land. Interesting that nobody is bringing that up, Greg. Yeah,
these were set to expire, and it was determined by
the Democrats to do it, and now they're balking at it.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yep, it is true. And if you would go back
and listen to any of these like Schumer or anyone else,
I mean, they have just absolutely berated anyone that would
consider shutting down the federal government over their personal agenda
on any issue, and said, how would you like it
if we did it? Here they are, they're doing it,
and I think Speaker Johnson put it best that this
whole country's being held hostage by Schumer's polling numbers. That's

(42:43):
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, yeah, And then Fetterman sounded off on the Democratic
Party and all the name cult.

Speaker 10 (42:48):
I'm the only Democrat in my family. I grew up
in a conservative part of Pennsylvania, and I grew up
and I know and I love people that voted for
President Trump, but they are not fascists. They're not Nazis,
they're not trying to destroy the Constitution and those things.
And that's part of another thing. I refuse to call

(43:09):
people Nazis or fascists or I would never compare anybody
anybody to Hitler in those things. And now that kind
of extreme rhetoric is going to continue, We're going to
be more likely in resulting in extreme kind of outcomes
and political violence and doing all these kinds of things.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
Like Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 10 (43:30):
For me, all I could say is like, let people grieve,
give people the space. I'm not going to use that
terrible thing in that pastic assassination to make my argument
and try to put out my views. It's like, my god,
you know, he's a father that had his neck blown
out by a bullet, and now people have forgotten President
Trump was in my state, was shot in the head

(43:54):
and if that would have could you imagine where our
nation would be if he was hit in the same
way with Kirk only got to turn the temperature down
and we can agree to disagree on these kinds of things,
but right now shutting down the government.

Speaker 9 (44:10):
I just can't take it that.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, he is saying. So it's common sense what he's saying, Greg.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yes, but it is. And it's surprising that what he
just shared would be a would be considered anethema to
his Democrat base and get him into a primary and
and and partisan by by nature, you know, where it
would seem like it's more of a Republican sentiment that
used to be the state of play that those were
the things that weren't political, you know, and you would

(44:38):
almost see people break down and not want to stick
them appear to be too strident, so they would fall
back to these very positions from both parties. They would
be right here on this baseline of we got to
treat each other where we're Americans and we treat each
other with respect and things like that. Nope, that's all.
That's not the Democrat way now anymore, is it. That's
why I keep saying they are the party of violence.

(44:58):
And I don't care if you can show me somewhere
where you found a Republican that committed violence. That's like
that guy that cuts his grass on the weekends versus
a full time landscape. Wide the Democrats are using fear
and violence to compel behavior.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And then, of course, during that town hall on News
Nation last night, Feederman was asked if Kamala Harris could
have gotten a seats fire in the mid East. Here's
how you responded.

Speaker 10 (45:22):
I think I think the most important point is just
realizing who who did it? Not hypothetically or anything. Then
I'm saying, it's like, here's what happened, and there are
there are actual members of my party that have refused
to even acknowledge that this was significant, you know.

Speaker 9 (45:36):
And that's for.

Speaker 10 (45:37):
Me where it's like, hey, you know, our politics might
be different, but this was a significant development.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (45:44):
And now also that also it's what Israel was able
to accomplish.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
And he realizes Donald Trump did this, So let's give
the guy credit for crying out loud.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah. And the thing that the Democrats don't understand is
it's very disarming when you have someone like John Ferman
who will call a ball and a strike what they are,
give credit where it's due, but still have principal differences
on policy that I don't agree with. But he gets
credibility on where those disagreements because he's able to acknowledge
some pretty obvious things. That makes him a stronger leader

(46:16):
for his side. Now does that make me happy? Do
I want some of the things he wants to know?
But that that is credibility, and that's what I think
will help him get re elected. But Democrats don't get this.
They they don't want any part of this. In fact,
they're going to try and run him out of his
own party. And he wouldn't make a good Republican. By
the way, there's a lot of stuff he doesn't want.
He wants to do that we don't want his Republicans.

(46:36):
But but that sense of fairness that's becoming a partisan
issue somehow.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
There are some issues out there that you don't want
to even get nearer now, and John Fetterman supports them.
All right, more to come here on The Rodden Greg
Show Thursday with Talk Radio one oh five to nine
k n RS. The rule of six miles away and
you have to we've got more fussy about that, I think.
But but I like bad Weather football. I think it's good. Yeah,
it's a lot of fun game this weekend.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
You got a big line. But they also their defense
are a bunch of mutters as far as I'm concerning.
They run around right in that mud. They'd love it,
So they're good.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Utah's got a pretty good defense.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I know they do.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I always do.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I I would. I would put by us an underdog
in this game, would you? I would?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
They're undefeated. I haven't playing anybody, but they're undefeated.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I looked at your rankings too. The only team you
played you lost to Arizona State, so you haven't play
anyone beat Arizona State. I said we lost to Texas.
I'm sorry Texas Tech that your quarterback. Everybody else has
been ranked about it the same as Steeler's opponent, not
Steelers bus upon So you know, quick breaking around, patting
yourself on the back. You're even wearing a U of you.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Well you're wearing a Steelers football shirt.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Well yeah, because they're going to play here soon. I
can't wait. But I'm here with you, ladies and gentlemen.
My commitment is to you, the audience, more so than
even my Steeler football.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Can I say one thing about the by U Utah games?
What There's always some freaky thing that happens on those games.
It is so weird. These are some of the weirdest
games I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
And I think it's happened. It was more of the
case when Ron McBride was a coach. There was always
some breakdown. There was always something that that would happen.
Ran out of time, that clocked in, the town management
was wrong, field goal that was a chip shot was missed,
a penalty, a late penalty that that kept you, ay,
you alive. In the Ron McBride era, there always seemed
to be some escape pass thirty four.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
To thirty one three years was thirty four to thirty one.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yes, yeah, you know, and I think changed.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I don't know what happened to there for a little
while when Bronco was down there and Urban was up here.
But now you have Kilani and Kyle, who get along.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I mean, well, he was on his staff.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
He was on his staff, he was his defensive coordinator
for a while. They get along. It's kind of made
the the rivalry fun again.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
I think, well, I I think he could use that.
And this is someone that's been a rabid fan of that,
of that Holy war. And and you know, I I've
had my years of you know, celebrating and cheering and
crying and everything else. But I think it has gotten
over the top. And I'm not some wilting violet. I'm
not some snowflake, but it has gotten out of hand.

(49:10):
When I can't go because I have a simple rule.
I can't be I don't want to be touched.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Well you, and that is the rule.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
And I can't go to the game anymore because guaranteed
someone's gonna touch me. It's beyond the pale. It's too much.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
No, you're making an excuse. It's not true.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
No, it's not true. You can't go. You don't go
because you can't control yourself. I cheer, I don't try.
I don't look anyone. I don't try to spot any
other fan. I don't do that unless they can come
at me first. But I'm telling you, if you dressed
up in blue and came with me to the game,
you would understand that the that they're like Orcs from
Lord of the Rings. These the youth fans, they are.

(49:44):
Oh yeah, if you've watched Lord of the Rings, you've
you've basically been to you're well, yeah, if you act
that way, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
And and and you acting up like an orc?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Have you noticed? I mean, maybe I'm treading on some
you know thin ice here. Bit. I don't know why
you fans want to go straight to the religion when
all the all all the people at the you have
as much you know, exposure to affiliation with the predominant
faith of this of this state. You know. I don't
know why it's all about the religion with those you.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
It always is in this game, it always is, and
you're good with that it always is.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Then you're an apostate, sir. Then you are an apostate.

Speaker 11 (50:22):
Fact.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
She I don't know. It has to go straight to
the religion.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Why is he to go to this year? What are
they talking about this year? I don't know quarterbacks, are they?
I mean, you haven't changed. You've got the Trump quarterback? Yeah,
forty number. I think by the way, I don't know
that he said that about his number. I think it's
we had we have identified him. He does not know Trump,

(50:48):
but by wearing that number is showing his support for
Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, I love it. And the quarterback of the you
damn pier good quarterback. Both good quarterbacks. Yeah, see, very
good quarter Oh don't look at me and go do
you did you?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
I don't know. I've seen him kind of you know, feels.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
A little he had a bad ankle.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Ah, okay, And I don't think Bear knows how to pass.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I don't know if forty seven o's how to throw
a football.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Oh he threw. He's two hundred and forty pounds and
six foot two. He can run a bit too.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
All right, all right, we can go for this forever.
But let's talk about gasoline prices. We had state Representative
Cal Roberts, Yes, who now represents your district. That's right,
taking a look at gasoline prices in this state. They're frustrating.
The number that he threw out bloo being away, greg
that here in the state, our refiners we had what
five of them, five just to the north of us, right,

(51:40):
produce about two hundred and twenty thousand gallons of gasoline
every day.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Here in the state of Utah, we only use about
one hundred sixty thousand gallons a day. And where did
the other sixty thousand go? It goes out of state,
goes out of state. They could be used to lower prices.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
He not happening informed us that it is tax exempt
as it leaves our state, so no taxes.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
No.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
When that the art, when our refined fuel goes to
other states, they get the tax, the gas tax on it.
There's no there's no tax on it. It's tax exempt.
And these are the refineries. You might recognize these names,
Chevron to Soorrow, uh whatever, the Maverick, it's Maverick, but
it's their their refinery's name, Sinclair or they they call
Holly Farm Mayway. They are they are familiar gas stations

(52:28):
or providers of gasoline that you, as a as a motorist,
would recognize they they have the gas here and it
is exempt as it leaves the state. And then what
Representative cal Roberts explained is that as you have a
state like California, which is you know, they're shutting down refineries,
are not updating them, They're they are paying a king's
ransom for more fuel. That drives the price up for

(52:49):
our refined fuel here, which in turn can drive up
the price for us. So I represented cal Roberts, suggested,
maybe we should cut the gas tank, cut the gas tank,
cut the gas tax and put that tax on the
fuel that's exempt currently that lee leaves the stat or
that is refined. Do that even that out a bit.

(53:10):
I would tell you that if it had a chilling
effect on gas that left the state refined and it
provided a greater supply of that gas line for motorists here.
Because we have five refineries and wells and pipelines and
all the we deal with all the infrastructure and supply
chain of a for it to have fuel, we should
be enjoying the lower prices that states that have those

(53:32):
types of infrastructure enjoy. But no, we pay more than
states that have know well.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
No referraries Idah hope.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, they don't have any of it. And why aren't
we getting a benefit on the lower price if we
have that infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
The President is talking about, American energy is back. We've
got a great Interior secretary, a great energy secretary doing
everything they can to make America strong when it comes
to energy production. Yet you and I are still going
what's going on here in Utah?

Speaker 1 (53:59):
And ladies jentle, I want you to know you have
actually been part of this discussion that they're having in
the legislature, because every time we talk about Trump bragging,
you know, a crude barrel accrued is under sixty bucks
a barrel. Trump is promising everyone's going to have two
dollars a gallon gas. There thirty one states right now,
out of the forty eight contiguous state you know, continental

(54:21):
United States, thirty one have gas in the less than
three dollars a gallon, while we're at three thirty nine.
You call and say, what gives Yeah, you the listener,
you're saying, wait a minute, I'm seeing the President say
in thirty one states agree that gas is less than
three bucks a gallon, and we're getting we're paying way more.
These questions are valid and we're finally I think, catching

(54:43):
the attention of a lunch Oh my graph.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, they are listening. So what what our great listeners suggests?
Do we cut the gas tax down and charge addict
that tax exempt status? Is that one way to do it?
How do we bring these prices down? Eight eight eight
five seven oh eight zero one zero on your cell
phone dial found two fifteen and say hey, Rod or
leave us a message on our talkback line. Download the
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(55:07):
we'll get to your calls and comments coming up next
on The Rotten Gregg Show Thursday afternoon. All right, let's
go back to the phones. We talk about what can
be done about gas prices here in the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Brandon, let's go to Brandon and Ogden. Brandon, you've been waiting.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
Hey, so, why don't we just have the governor do
an executive order and fixed the problem before the end
of the year. They can do it with our COVID
mass and make us wear masks.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
Why can't you take the gas price?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah a good point.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, you know, and I'll tell you that that there
is actually some some truth that where it was twenty
years ago when John Huntsman was governor. I mean, he's
looking around and he's seeing that Utah had oddly, because
remember we're a mountain state, we don't have the competition's
a bit limited. We seventy five percent of the state
lives in four contiguous counties. Were a bit bunched in here,

(55:59):
so competition isn't rampant. He had the Department of Commerce,
the state's Department of Commerce, and then franc and Gianny
do an investigation to find out why in the world
we were paying so much. Turns out it was a
lot lot higher and just because they could. And you
saw that a sobering of that. And you saw that
those without a bill or a law, you saw those
that those those gas companies lower their prices to what's

(56:23):
traditionally the market around the country. And and but that's
crept up as you've seen the consolidation of these stores.
We have certainly less convenience stores with gas stations today.
They've kind of become more consolidation of companies, and so
we have less today than we had twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I ask you this, I would think Greg that pressure
from the state, especially state lawmakers would go a long
way in addressing this issue. I agree or disagree.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I thought that would be the case, but I do
I my personal, my personal, you know, inside info is
that this has been concerning the Speaker of the House,
Mike Schultz for quite some time, pre dates the summertime
when you start looking at the and you would think
that they would have moved on this by now, But
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Trying to figure out how to move.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I think that they think they can just stay stubborn.
They're making a ton of money the way they're doing
it right now. The refiners, Yeah, they're making a lot.
So until they feel the pressure, they're not going to
I don't think they're going to move. Here's the other
little wrinkle that's unique to Utah. Maverick is one of
the only in America's companies that has its own wells,

(57:30):
its own refineries, and its own retail outlets. So they
don't have these third party brokers that you know, get
the get the crew to the refinery and they get
their cut, and then from the refinery to the to
the station or to the retail outlet and they get
their cut. You don't have brokers along the way the
supply chain with Maverick. Now, Maverick's not not all the
gases Maverick, but i'll bet you gas wise, they're probably

(57:53):
thirty five to forty percent of all the gas sold
in Utah, which is a high high number. But they
they have a unique supply chain where they put it
all together. It's integrated. Sinclair very similar, a little different,
and that the store owners are not all one company,
but they that they've integrated it from the well to
the refinery to the Sinclair, the holiday stores and the

(58:14):
ones that are Sinclair they have an integrated supply chain
as well. Most do not, the Chevrons to Soros, the Exons,
they they have parts all along the way.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Well, you were showing me those on your phone. I
think it went to gas buddy, and you looked at
prices around your home. Yes, every one of them, every
one of them. Three dollars and thirty nine cents for
gallon of GASLA.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yes, no competition. Five different companies, yeah, five different companies,
all the same, exactly the same. And what I've read
as I've looked at this is usually you see where
they're trying to compete and lower that price. It's not
even a lost leer, but just not very much money
they're making there because they have higher margins inside their stores.
What drives traffic inside stores lower gas prices, so you

(58:57):
see that price. They compete against each other lowering the
price because they want the traffic in the stores to
buy things inside their communo stores. Here, you've get you
get the one that's you get one that Pat puts
it at three thirty nine, and everybody tracks to that
because it's a massive profit margin. That's that's my belief.
That's what I think I'm seeing.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Well, that's what we are seeing. You have it, and
then it all right, we've got another hour of the
Rod and Greg show coming. Your wife stay with us
to head up Seattle and see his beloved Mariners. Right,
he wasn't there last night. I'm glad he was. And
what was final score? Like fifteen to two?

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah, it was fifteen to some.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Small hit like they hit like five five home runs
last night.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
He Mariners were winning that series two to nothing as
he was taking off, you know, going to the game.
And then by the time he got to Seattle, they
got drubbed in Seattle by the Blue Jays. For all
of our sake. We hope the Mariners have a very
good experience while he's there, because I think he would
take it out on us if they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, yeah, we would want to be around him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
If no, he will be very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
But they're they're up two games to one. Yeah, they
win on the verge, and they're on the verge of uh.
I don't like this to two games home, three games away,
two games back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I remember, I remember when the Jazz were playing in
the finals back and they do yeah, and it was
two three two. And I just think beating any team
three games in a row is hard, is very hard.
And then you got to take one, you know, you
got to take one at the first two or the
last two. And I just think it's asking a lot
of a team. I think two three, it should be
two to two and then one one one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, man, good point, good point. All right, big event
coming up this weekend. I know you'll be there. I'm
not talking about the Holy War, the No Kings.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Oh yeah, no games there they hang over my peeps. No,
I will not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Well, a number of demonstrations are played here. And you
did you see by the way they were going to
march apparently in Salt Lake City. They forgot to get
the permit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Well they had one. They pulled because I think they
needed to give too much information. They don't. They're there.
They don't like to let you know too much about them,
so they kind of pulled back from the permit. The
state last time he had a homicide. It's still not
resolved that nobody wants to talk about. But that's still lingering.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
There are other Utah studies. They'll have the event and
I get people get up and you know, say what
they want to say and cheer and condemn Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
And he's in the Middle East. What do you what
do you want to complain about right now? I mean,
the guy is on a roll, so let him complain.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
It's just well, he's not intimidated by him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, he always does. With the left, and whether this
rally or any other rally, you know, you know, they're
so upset when you see their lips move, and so
that's just that's just who they are. They're just going
to be. They're gonna there's nothing that they won't criticize,
nothing that good that could happen that they're going to acknowledge.
So yeah, there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah, joining It's on our newsmaker line right now to
talk about the No Kings demonstrations this week here in
Utah really around the country is Orn McIntyre. He is
the host of the Orn McIntyre Show, also a columnist
for The Blades Orin Thanks for joining us toon. I'm
thinking past the weekend and getting into Monday. When people
wake up on Monday, those who are in the protest,

(01:02:12):
they're going to be asking themselves, well, did we do
any good today? That's a question I have. Are they
going to have a hangover?

Speaker 11 (01:02:19):
Honestly, I think they'll probably feel good about themselves. That's
what this whole exercise is about, right, Like they don't
really think this is going to change anything, or maybe
they've deluded themselves into thinking it's going to change something,
but the last adminonstration didn't change anything either. These are
performative events either for them to feel like they're doing
something substantial, because the Democrats haven't been able to win
important elections here recently, and they feel like they're out

(01:02:41):
of control. They feel like they're entitled to rule, but
they can't seem to win the elections that they need
to do so, and so the best they can do
is put on these shows.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
So I'm looking at an advertisement for one of these
No king rallies that will happen on this weekend. But
in New York, in New York City, they're not embarrassed
to say that some of their sponsors are Communist Party USA,
the Young Communist League of New York, the Democrat Socialist Party.
They've got so many and then you got all your unions,

(01:03:12):
but they're not hiding the fact that this is coming
from a very leftist, very communist, very socialist place. Do
you think they'll be that brazen in their No King's
rallies around the country or do they just think they
have a safe place to admit it in New York.

Speaker 11 (01:03:28):
It'll probably be dialed down a little less in other places.
But to be clear, the real problem when it comes
to communism in the United States is we never properly
stigma stignified it. Do you have people out there if
they were marching for some kind of Nazi party or
some kind of fascist party, if they were passing around
the literature or wearing any of the symbols, they'd basically

(01:03:48):
be completely destroyed. Their lives would be over, they'd be
completely unemployable. They would just have no presence in polite society.
Do the leftists know that's not the case for them?
They flirt with communism, they fully embrace communism, they probably
declare some of them even fight violently in its name.
And guess what they end up as college professors. They
end up as CEOs, ironically like they end up in

(01:04:11):
all these powerful positions despite having these opinions. So there's
really very little reason for them not to do this
because ultimately, in the United States, we don't have the
same social stigma for communism that we do for other
murderous ideologies or and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I when I think of this, I just think of
a little kid throwing a temper tantrum, stopping their feet,
throwing themselves on their ground, and screaming until they get
their way. Is that a fair comparison?

Speaker 11 (01:04:36):
Orn, Well, in some ways that's true. You know, in
the article I talked about why this is ultimately a
clown front for a very dangerous background. Right, So a
lot of these people are just kind of boomers trying
to relive their hippie days. They remember that they smoked
a lot of pot and waved a bunch of signs

(01:04:57):
and you know, chanted some cool slogans, and then the
Vietnam War ended, so they felt like they had some
significant impact on the political process. But today, while they're
reliving those dreams, in the current hour, there is a
violent use under current. The young people are not really
at these protests, they're getting radicalized, they're building Antifa cells.

(01:05:18):
We can see real violence coming from the left. And
so while it's good and right and we should laugh
at some of these people because they are hilarious, we
should remember that it's not harmless. The left is not
just a clown show. There is a much more dangerous element.
They're not showing up necessarily to all the protests, though
they are sometimes, and when they do, they form these
Antifa black blocks, which are very dangerous. So we should

(01:05:41):
recognize that while some of this is funny, some of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
It is dead serious.

Speaker 11 (01:05:45):
And we literally have bodies from the radical leftists who
have been bringing terror to the United States. So we
should take that part of it very seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
So that leads me to this question. You know, I
have all of public campaigns, and public policy is an
effort ofition, and I have looked at this No King's effort,
and I've looked at some of this the radical base
of the left, and I have felt that they have
been engaged in a game of subtraction. I think they
alienate themselves from common sense Americans. But you bring up
an interesting point, is this actually maybe an under the

(01:06:14):
radar game of addition? Are we seeing Generation Z and
are we seeing maybe a game of addition in terms
of adding to these ranks of this extreme ideology going on,
and we just don't appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (01:06:27):
I think that's right. I mean, the left is used
to getting its way. They are used to winning. I
mean even when we had Republicans win in the past. Really,
it's been decades since so any of them did anything
with those victories. Donald Trump is a far more effective
Republican president than we've had in my entire lifetime. And
so the left feels that they're like, we're well, we're

(01:06:49):
not supposed to lose. We're never supposed to lose. Even
if we lose an election, ultimately no real change comes.
But now, for the first time, these spoiled leftists who
have spent their entire lives pushing things in a more
and more radical direction without any cost, for the first time,
they feel truly out of power, and there's nothing more
dangerous than a wounded animal. That's when it's most likely

(01:07:10):
to lash out and try to hurt you. And so
I think we're seeing a lot of these young leftists
who have known nothing but victory, right, nothing but the
march of progress their entire lives. They're suddenly seeing that
they didn't win, they're not controlling the political process, and
they don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
How to deal with it.

Speaker 11 (01:07:25):
They've never had to live with defeat the way that
we have, and so they're getting very, very violent and
very radical very quickly. It doesn't show up in the
necessary political polling maybe, you know, the politicians that have
control don't necessarily reflect it, though honestly, it is being
reflected more and more. Look at Jay Jones in Virginia.
So we are seeing this pop up even in the mainstream.

(01:07:46):
But trust me, everything you see with someone like Jay Jones,
it's ten times worse with the young radicals.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Final question for you, Urin, what does fly over America
think about all of this? Do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:07:59):
I think for the most part they're laughing, and you know,
again that's totally reasonable, right, These people do look ridiculous,
but that was the whole point of my article. I want,
you know, the rest of America. I want red America.
I want conservative America to recognize that, why, yes, these
people are clowns. There are a lot of very dangerous
people behind them, and they are spurring them on, they
are funding them, they are encouraging them. So get a

(01:08:20):
good laugh in, but then remember that there are people
who want to kill you behind these people, and you
need to be taking political actions to solve that problem.
I've been glad to see that the Trump administration is
bringing its first terrorist charges against Antifa members. That's a
great step, but I want to see more of that
because we need to snuff out this domestic violence problem

(01:08:41):
very quickly or things can get very bad.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Orin McIntyre from the Blades joining us right here on
the Rodin Greg Show, talking about the No Kings event.
You know, people have a right to protest, Greig, but
you know, how much longer can they say orange man bad,
he's a Nazi, he's a fascist, he's Hitler. I mean,
sooner or later, it just it's wallpaper.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
So what's the what's the odds that when we get
on the show on Monday, there will have been violence
over the weekend. Do you think there'll be well, they
turned big cars, light things on fire. Do you think
it'll be peaceful. I mean, if it's peaceful, then you know,
go for your life. I don't really care. But if
it gets violent, I think that's that's consistent. That's kind
of on brand with what the way the left right

(01:09:20):
now feels about America. And I think they used that
to foment fear and intimidation because they want to compel behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Well, how much over the last several months, how many
demonstrations have we had with people chanting cease fire, cease fire,
cease fire. Well, guess what we got one? Yeah? Really, yeah,
I mean we've got a seat fire.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I don't again, they there's probably so disappointed. They can't
use that issue in the Middle East, in Gaza to
complain about it anymore because he's he's done something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
But in all these all these Hollywood celebrities were using
that as you know why they were getting involved because
of the killing of Palestinians. They wanted a cease fire.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Now what it is now they have it. It's just no,
no congratulations, no pointing to a president in his leadership.
But that's look that I just want to know what
are they going to pivot to? But what are they
gonna Is it gonna get violent or not? I I
hope it doesn't, but I'll be interested to see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
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(01:10:35):
Lake Tribune.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
If she hates her job, just quit it, then give
it to election. You know, a supposed head of the
state elections. It doesn't want to disparage you know, the
the this work. I mean, if you see this judge,
he's going to do this whole Emperor, you know, gladiator,
you know, thumbs up, her thumbs down to the bended
knee legislature asking if their map and their constitutional duty

(01:10:57):
will you know, we'll hold her whether she wants to
use the better boundary map. This is a nightmare for us.
This is something you we want to see something addressed.
We want a campaign to say hard reset this. You know,
nobody thought the word fair back in twenty eighteen. Men
give it to the Democrats. We've got to have it.
And she's the Republican lieutenant governor thinks this is just

(01:11:17):
very confusing. Yeah, this is just adding case.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Well she's not being critical of GOP leaders. She just
says is adding confusion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Well that's critical. If that's that doesn't sound like nice,
something nice to say.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Now, the plaintiffs in Prop four, you know, the ones
who brought the cage Prop four, the liberal more than
women and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
What eight million outside sorows money, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Sorrows money. They're now asking a judge to block the
GOP effort to repeal the redistricting law. We had Rob
acton yesterday. We think what he's doing is a terrific idea.
But now the I think Greg the plaintiffs they know
if this gets before the general public with a well
or orchestrated information campaign about what this means their nervous

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as hell four, it will be overturned.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Let me tell you how they pulled the wool over
the state's eyes back in twenty eight Yes, they did,
but with a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Lot of different initiatives on the ballot at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
You had this expansion uh marijuana, yep, yep, you you
have this on the ballot by itself.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
And remember fifty point three four percent as would have
passed by with no organized campaign against it and took
almost two million, at least two million dollars three two three,
two point eight three. And for this thing where they
said it was just fair, fair, fair, fair, fair just
ment and we know it's not a theory. That's because
we've seen their maps. Now they want to they want
a dark blue Democrats seat in the state of Utah.

(01:12:45):
I mean, there's a clip from CNN where they're saying
that that they've they've put in the column California Democrat,
California Democrat, Maryland and Republican Utah are the three gains
for the for the Democrats in this new game of
redistrict Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Where the blue is to red states. Here's what that
CNN analyst had to say.

Speaker 12 (01:13:04):
So, this is what the party pickups would be for
congressional districts. Republicans five, Missouri one, North Carolina one, Ohio
two or three, Indiana one or two Florida. Still discussion
down there, but that could be another gold mine for
them if they tipped it even further their way. Kansas
won New Hampshire one, and Nebraska Democrats, Utah, California, Maryland.

(01:13:25):
Look at this, If you offset California and Texas, Missouri
and Utah, North Carolina and Maryland, everything left over is
an advantage to the Republicans. And don't forget the Supreme
Court is considering what could really be the end of
the Voting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Rights Act, which would protect minority groups.

Speaker 12 (01:13:45):
So you don't have a state that's half black, for example,
that elects only one congressional member and everybody else goes
to the Republicans that would represent that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Population in some way.

Speaker 12 (01:13:55):
So if that is gutted, Democrats could lose nineteen team seats.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
What's so embarrassing about that is that Utah is included
in the discussion greg of the Democrats picking up a seat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Maryland has a Democrat governor, Maryland has a Democrat legislature,
California is a Democrat governor and Democrat legislature. We have
a Republican governor and a Republican legislature, and we are
in the column of Democrat seats to pick up. Are
you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
It's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
It is embarrassing, and we got this and so any
effort to undo the scam that was put perpetrated on
the people here. We need some real information out there
for people. I want. I want to know, does Utah
and anyone that voted for this and even maybe with
the best intentions thinking the wordfair actually meant fair on
redistricting and not just gamed up for the Democrats. Are

(01:14:44):
you okay being on the Democrat side of the Ledger
nationally on all this it is it's not right. And
I'm telling you the what you what we want is
what every state has, and that is a legislative branch
that by their state constitution and ours is the same
that right give that redistricting authority to their separate and
equal legislative branch. That's it. Not go to a not

(01:15:06):
have the legislative branch, go to the judicial branch and
say how about this? Would you like this and better boundaries?
Walks in next to them with their packed dark blue map. Okay,
that's who sponsored this, and that's their maps. That's what
they That's what you got when you voted for that
thing in eighteen. Here's our dark blue map. Do you
like this one? If she says yes to that, what
do you do other than what the Republican Party is

(01:15:28):
trying to do by getting the ballot of statewide ballot
measure for the people to go. We'd like the people
we elected the legislature. Even if you're mad at the legislature,
do not give up that lever of people you elect
drawing maps instead of judges deciding that you never elected
that we don't know anything about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
I just when I saw this this audio SoundBite and
then saw the video of this guy saying, well, Utah
will pick up one for the Democrat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
It's embarrassed it is say it is just really a state.
I know the state is conservative. We are not. We
might have elected leaders that hoodwink good well well meaning
elect voters, but we are a red state and the
process should work as it's intended.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
I agree we're a red state, but I think we're
the bluest of red states because I think some of
those conservative voters out there actually think, Greg, well, it's
okay to have a democratic because it shows we're fair
and we're inclusive. So yeah, I think it's okay if
it's good for the state, if we have a little
bit of balance and we can hear the Democratic view
on issues of the day. Well you know what the

(01:16:27):
Democratic view is on issues of the day, I mean,
and they're pretty easy to figure out. They have none
of them align with the values of what we believe
here in the State of view now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
And they couldn't be more hostile. And you would be
letting the wolf into the henhouse. By trying to be inclusive,
you will end up. I mean, they want nothing but
the worst for us. There's no inclusivity with them, no,
I mean, look at what John Fetterman's going through in
the Senate and we're getting the part of the guy.
They're going to kick him right out as far as
if they have their way, because they're not inclusive within
members of their own party, let alone across the aisle.

(01:16:58):
And again, I've been a part of a legislative branch
where we've worked across the aisle. This national politics, and
that's what seeped into this state and spent almost three
million dollars to convince voters to vote for this thing
in eighteen. That is not the act of bipartisanship. They
dressed it up, they called it something. It wasn't and
what they're getting we can see the proof of it
now by the maps they are drawing have no reflection

(01:17:20):
on the sentiment of the state.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
And now on a national level. And you heard this
at the CNN town hall meeting Bernie and Sanders one. Well,
we just want them to come to the table so
we can talk to them about this. You were the
guys who put it in place in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
This is their work.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
This is their work, it's your work. So what you
want to talk to us about the work and the
fact that, uhh, we made a mistake and now we
want you to correct it to the tune of billions
of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
That's right, makes no sense, and they want to parlay that.
And you know, the Big Beautiful Bill is a policy decision.
It changed it. They want that reverse. You don't have
the majority in the House or the Center or the
executive branch to tege that. And you can't take what
the voters put in office and empower and try to
verse it by holding hostage the entire federal budget.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah you can, you can't. All right, We've got more
to come. Final half hour the Rod and Greg Show
with you on this Thursday coming up on Talk Radio
one O five nine Cannis.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
It's it is the way to listen the podcast too.
It gives you a time you can to listen anywhere
you want, anytime you want, which yep, I know people
that like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Yeah, well, it is fair to say that it has
been a remarkable. I believe it remarkable. What are we
Are we in the tenth month of the Trump presidency
would be the tenth month, Yeah, yeah, we're in the
It's been remarkable the number of changes that have taken place,
the big I think the biggest events so far, and
it's a lot We've got a long way to go,

(01:18:43):
but it's the ceasfire in the Mid East.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah, and I'm telling you there's been a lot of
great I mean, look, who thought PBS would be gone,
MPR not gone, but all the handouts, the closure basically
the closure the Department of Education. There's there are just
so many. I mean there's even the smaller wars that
were avoided, like India and Afghania or India and Pakistan,
uh on and on. But the piece in the Middle

(01:19:06):
least just I think dwarfs at all. And it's actually
one that's big enough that the regime media cannot dismiss it.
They have to give some amount of credit to something
that nobody was able to even get close to doing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
But in the past and the regime media struggling. What
was it yesterday? NBC laid off one hundred and fifty people, yes,
from their divisions that focused on Latin issues, Black American.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Issues, the EI EI issues. Yeah, it's it's changing. The
landscape's changing. And I and I do think that ten
months he has this, it really has been. There's been
so much progress, and I think that term off in hindsight.
No one was happy when he lost in twenty We
were all upset about it, but boy did ass get

(01:19:49):
under him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Yeah, how we had to endure four years of Biden,
which was not comfortable or pleasant, but it I think
it gave Donald Trump a chance to yep back. He
knows Washington better now than he did when he first
went in, assess the type of people he needed, and
then just got into it. And that's what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
The other thing, too, is we can talk all day
about what democrats would do to this country, have given
the chance. When they're given the chance, and you see
what and you feel what they've done to us for
four years, as they did when parents at school board
meetings are being called as you know, the potential domestic
terrorists by majorcis imprint. I've seen it to see all
that we went through. It's different than talking about it

(01:20:32):
or warning people about it. And I think that contrast
as well. People just didn't want more of that. There
was just nothing about that administration in that term that
anyone wanted another to. Haven't lived through another day.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Yeah, he's had one term, he's early into his second term. Well,
where are historian? How is history going to look at
Donald Trump? At this point? Joining us on our Newsmaker
line is Craig Suirley, an author, historian, chairman of the
Citizens for the Republic. He really knows Ronald Reagan very well.
He's written I think or six books on the Reagan years,
and he's joining us on our Newsmaker line right now. Craig,

(01:21:04):
thanks for joining us tonight. Let's talk about history and
Donald Trump and where he is so far.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
Well, everything is parshed now between the left and the right.
There's you know a bet sheets I don't care whatever
you talk about. Whatever we have a conversation about is
you know, is either conservatives think it's terrific and liberals
hate it. There's no commonality. I'll give you one example.

(01:21:33):
You know, it used to be that both parties one
thing they came together on was support for Israel. Both
parties were pro Israel, Harry Truman.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
You know, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Instrumental and the foundation foundation of Israel, and the Republican
Party was always supportive of you know, Monock and Megan
what's called Reagan Israel's best friend, you know, conservative Republican president.
And you know the fact that there was a religious
aspect to it. You know that with the with Judaism
and with fundamentalism here in the country strengthened the ties

(01:22:05):
between the American right and Israel. But now you have
one party this clearly pro Israel, and the other party
is settled on anti Semitism, which is really is not
all that surprising because leftism is often centered around anti Semitism.
You know, Nazism. You know, you know a lot of

(01:22:26):
liberals deliterally confused Nazism, but Nazism is a left wing
philosophy and national socialism the state controls the means of
production and distribution. Hitler was a leftist is that he
corresponded with his friend Margaret Sanker when she was out
of planned parenthood. And there were a lot of liberal parties,

(01:22:47):
left to center parties in Europe in the eighteen hundreds
and nineteen hundreds that were anti Semitic, and of course
whereas anti Semitism eminenting today, but on left wing American
college campuses those stance. The reason that liberals would be
anti semitic because they have historically done anti semitic is that.

(01:23:07):
But that's the one issue now that it doesn't you know,
it doesn't unify the two parties anymore. So we have
still divided ourselves. There's absolutely nothing, nothing nothing. We don't
agree on football teams for gouts.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
So, Craig, here's my question. There's so many wars or
potential wars or things happening around the world that Trump
in his first term, especially in the second term, has
shown the deft ability to find solutions, to find peace.
He's become such a strong leader around this world. I
want to say that this piece in the Middle East
returning of those hostages was a tipping point where you

(01:23:46):
heard the regime I call them the regime media actually
have to acknowledge something good. They could, they couldn't ignore it.
Is there any tipping point with this recent development where
you saw the hostages released back to Israel? Does that
soften the media or do they look more? I mean,
does it make them just feel to keep saying what
they're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
I'll tell you, I woke up this morning and I
read a headline that said the view agrees with Donald Trump,
and the sub tubhead was heel freeze is over? That
is that He's Yes, it's a tipping point. You know,

(01:24:27):
go work in history. In eighteen sixty the ascendant Republican Party,
Abraham Lincoln ushering in a long period of Republican governance
right up until nineteen thirty two, and then the FDR
came to power. Is issued in a long period of
democratic governance up until nineteen eighty. Reagan then nineteen eighty

(01:24:47):
issued in a long period of Republican governance until Bush
didn't follow the Reagan formula and screwed up and threw
everything away. Gingris got it back, but it was still
it was still up and down, up and down. You know,
we got the Congress back under Obama, but it was
more about anti Obama than pro Republican. Now, I believe

(01:25:09):
that Trump is going to issue in a long period
of Republican governance. If you look ken take ten issues,
the border, illegals, inflation, national defense, of military preparedness, and
peace and throughout the world. Is that on what issue
besides abortion do the Democrats do they win on violence
and mayhem and murder? And then you know, those are

(01:25:32):
the only issues that went in. Right now, I think
we are witnessing, we are going to tell our grandchildren
about this. We're gonna we're witnessing in real time the
demise and the death of Democratic Party. And political parties
have died before in American history. The Anti Massonic Party died,
the Whigs died. Is that it's not beyond the realm,

(01:25:53):
beyond the ken of realm uh for a political party
to die. And I think the Democratic Party right now
is that they're losing registration, who are moving over the
Republican Party. They're losing funding, they're losing support. There's there's
nothing for them to talk about. You know, under a
new Deal they had something to talk about. Under under

(01:26:15):
a new Frontier, they had something to talk about. Uh,
even under even under a Great Society It was really nauseating,
but they had something to talk about. There's nothing it's
all bad. It's all bad. There's nothing that anybody thinks
it's admirable right now. But the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Yeah, and there's no there's no convincing them to think otherwise.
Is there great? I mean you could, I mean he
could solve every problem in the world and they won't
even give them credit.

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
No, But just you know, you think about it in
our lives, when we witness something that's that's losing, like
like a school or a or a political organization or
the Boy Scouts or something, as it windows down to
its poleran's parts, it becomes much more radical, much more isolated,

(01:27:05):
much more off putting, much less uh, you know, reaching
out to new members. And you know, the political party
doesn't make new members than it dies. Democrats are doing
nothing to recruit new members except for terrorists. Uh. And
nobody wants to live next door to a terrorists.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
The Reagan biographer and historian Craig Sureley joining us on
the Our Any Hour Newsmaker line. It was funny the
other day, Nuke Ingridge was in the Oval office, that's right,
and Trump asked him where do I rate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
And he ranked the third and he's wait third third
George Washington Lincoln. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually
think that's that's that's about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
But I guarantee you he'll be he'll be at the
lower end of the scale when it finally comes out
by historians because they're generally very liberal.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
But I think time will because I facts or facts.
I think went through the same thing where he wasn't
highly guard when he left, but then people realize later.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah, all right, final segment of the Rotten Gregg Show
coming out. You need to remind our great listeners will
be off tomorrow, that's right. Yeah, we'll take a one
day break. We've got a great best of show lined up,
so it is the greatest hits? Is what you've been going?

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Oh yeah, greatest hits, the greatest show. We always surpass
the best, so there's there's no best, there's the greatest hits. Okay, yeah,
well that's what we'll have tomorrow for you. Yeah, the
greatest hits. Now we are some of our best, greatest interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
We'll be back on Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yes, we hope with Bells on, you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Aren't going to be why you game and get arrested.
Will you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Oh, I don't go the game. They have forced me away.
I hope you're satisfied, y, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Because I'm concerned about it. You've got the Pittsburgh game
on right now a studio, and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I got my shirt on. You get very passionate right now,
you have very passionate. I do. See.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
I'm kind of a low key, relaxed guy. It'll all
come out in the end. You just get in there, man, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
He's a snoozer, is what he is. I'm trying to
show him the replay of the big big catch, and
you just won't even look. You won't even look at it.
He's just like I just won't even look.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Who cares?

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
I care? I care?

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Hey, yeah, I know you. You're a big fan of gorillas.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
I love gorillas.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
You know another large animal? I like what polar bears?

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Oh they're cute. Yeah, I like them, right, yeah, I
know they'd ripped my head off, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
You know their hair it looks white is actually translucent? Really? Yeah,
is what I've Someone told me that one day. Don't
know if it's true, but apparently some Russian photographer has
found that a group of bears. Polar bears have made
themselves very comfortable in an unlikely hideaway, a deserted research
station in Russia.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Oh that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
I look about seven miles you know, out in the ocean.
It's totally abandoned, but apparently there was a research station
there one time.

Speaker 9 (01:29:54):
Be couch.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Yeah, they're putting their feet up on the you know,
on the furniture. They don't care their hang and out.
Yeah that's great for them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Yeah, I just I like polar bears. But that's cute.
They've they've moved into an abandoned research station and no
one is telling them to leave.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah, they like gypsies, those bears.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yeah, they just wander around. Yet, what do they eat? Seals?
I think they do.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
No, that's rue. I don't want to I like seals too.
Just fish, they like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
To well, they eat fish, but I think they.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Not seals, just fish.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Oh okay, Well, well, like we said, we'll be We
will take a break tomorrow, but we will definitely be
back on Monday. Going to be a busy, busy weekend.
We hope everybody enjoys it. And like I said, daybreak
and back on my.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Holy Holy War on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
But and don't get nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Yeah yeah, talking to fans, be nice to the BYU fans.
They don't fight back very much.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
That does it for us tonight, head up, shoulders back made.
God bless you and your family and there's a great
country of ours. Jesse Kelly is coming up next.