The Rod and Greg Show: New Salt Lake City Police Chief Brian Redd; Border Update from FAIR

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, it is great to be with you on this
Friday afternoon on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine.
Can terass A lot going on today. We got the
jobs repoored out. Today we are going to be talking
shortly with the new chief of the Salt Lake City
Police Department. Yes, he's going to be coming on.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, Brian rad a personal friend of mine. I hope
no one holds that against him. But I don't know
how you got the job, frankly, because I know him
and think so highly well.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
They had to overcome that obstacle.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Maybe we hid that fact down him, but anyway, he's
the act in all, Austin, he's very good man. I
worked with him years and years ago on the Operation
Real Grand where we did see a multi law enforcement
jurisdictional effort to deal with the cartels and the lawlessness,
and so I know he is truly one of Utah's
great leaders.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
A lot of people speak very highly of him, So
it'll be good to get to know him a little
bit more. You know him very well, be nice to
get to know him on the air and let our
listeners get to know about him a little bit. Greg
also a little bit later on jobs numbers were out today.
We talked about that. We'll break those numbers down as
to what's going on there. We've got, we've got oh,
hopefully he'll be able to make it the president of

(01:03):
the Utah Senate. They're in their final hours, you.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Know, everybody, every everyone, and everything turns into a pumpkin
at the strike of midnight. If you had a bill
and it's midnight, you don't have anything, You don't have anything.
The lint in your pocket might be the best you got.
So midnight the whole thing shuts down, which I love.
I love that you have forty five counter days. It's
thirty something workdays. But you got to get in, you
got to get back out. It's not your day job

(01:26):
every day. You got to go live with all those
laws you passed and budget you approved, and then you
got to go live with it yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
So we'll be talking about that, and we're also going
to go to the border and to find out how
different we've not hurt now, how different the border is
now versus Joe Biden's days. Quite a change from what
we understand, and we'll talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
There is there is a rumor that that is the
case it's at I've heard a little bit about that,
so that'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's a little bit different. So we've got a lot
to get to today before we get into the show.
There are two things I want to recognize today. Today
it's National Unplugged Day. Now, you to me, you could
never do that.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's a lobotomy for men plug anything. I am. I
am glued to technology. Sadly, I wish I wish it
wasn't the case.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
But it is, but even better because I know you
love this one. Yes, it is National Cereal Day.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh love Cereal.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
You're a Cereal fan? Do you have a fave?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
You know I go through phases Sometimes I'm all in
the frosted flakes, Tony the Tiger.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, there's late at night a bowl of f.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I like that. I like I like Golden Grams. Although
when I was a kid, the Golden grams were way bigger.
They found those little golden grams. Love Golden Grams.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, I'm a honey cheerial fan. I have that.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
That's that's in the menu. Queen Bee gives me a
wide array of selection because she knows I love this
the cold cereal.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
All right, let's get to the news of the day.
The interesting news of the day is we've had a
state lawmaker today. I decided to leave the Republican Party.
What is up with Daniel Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, somebody so, somebody of a Capitol Hill gave me
a sent me a link to the news and said
shots fired, like it was big drama. And I sent
back a picture you remember in the Christmas Story of
the kid that had to be begun he shoot his
eye out.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, don't, Yeah, you shoot your eye out.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's actually kind of more of what the shots are like. Really,
Daniel Thatcher, he's been in I think since twenty I
think he was elected in twenty ten to the state Senate.
You know, he's he's been always been a bit of
a character. And and to say that this isn't off
brand for him to announce his new affiliation a new party,
I think it's kind of I think it's on par
for Santa Thatcher. I won't be rude about it, but

(03:43):
it isn't It isn't head turning news for you.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
You know, I was watching a story circulated during the
legislative session. Votes were passed almost everything the Republican Party wanted.
He voted against yeah, i'd be about right if you
don't go along the party, see you.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, And if you were a deliate Republican delegate and
he earned your support, which he did very well in
his convention, and I think he's sixty percent or he
did whatever it took to not have a primary and
he didn't have a Democrat running against him. If you
were one of those Republican delegates that support him, you
should be disappointed that he has left the party. The
party actually means something in the state.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, I think we bought an audio sound by the
Ray if you'd have that ready for us. Here is
Daniel Thinker Thatcher, if I got that right, Thatcher explaining
why he's decided to no longer be a member of
the Utah Republican Party.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
There is a growing disconnected between the public that we
are supposed to represent.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
And your representatives. You're not imagining it. You're not crazy.
We're not listening to you.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
We don't have to listen to you because you don't
like us.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
The system in Utah is set up so.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
That very very few people actually made pet decisions, and
it's probably not humianue.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
And I think that that is the or of the.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Disconnect is between the actions of the legislature and the
needs and the values of the public that we're supposed
to represent. I mean, you've seen me stand up and
pushed back against overreach after overreach. Amendment D was was
one of the biggest things I've seen.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
That directly attacked the rights to be public.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
But we've also gone after education funding, We've gone after labor,
we've gone, we've gone away from the people. Now, my
wife and I we've been discussing this for a long talk,
and it's hard to know what to do. It's hard
to know how to do the most good for the
most people.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
All Right, there you go that, Yeah, is there a
disconnect right between Utahs and the voting public here in
the state of Utah.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I would say that there's oftentimes that that that sentiment
has felt. But for Daniel Thatcher to it sounds intuitive
what he said. I understand, this man had a convention.
He won in his conventioned by delegates.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
And he had no other race, not a primary, not
a general election. So for the guy to say, you know,
the people you know are not part of the process,
his pathway to reelection was probably a lot more exclusive
than most lawmakers who run usually in a convention, maybe
even see a primary and then a general election. Senta

(06:21):
thatchery you go through any of that as those cycles
and now is saying that you don't elect your your lawmaker.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
He has Is it fair to say, Greg I do
not assist. Maybe in the last two or three years
he's been kind of an outspoken critic of what lawmakers
are doing.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Fair I think he has been against I think he's aligned,
frankly more with the Democrats and Republicans. That's it.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's I mean, you could say it's against the people,
but we got a super majority of Republicans. That means
the people of Utah were elected a legislature, Senate, and
the House of Republicans. And then if you're not tracking
that and you're you're finding yourself agree more with the Democrats,
well then that's where he's seeing himself at odds with
the Republican Party, which there's votes to show that's exactly

(07:04):
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, we'll talk more about what the what the legislature
has done throughout the day today. There's some I am
so happy the pride flag bill passed yes'ly has worked
very hard on this. We may get into that a
little bit later on his past by both the Senate
when side flag.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
But what it is is a bill that that doesn't
have Everybody can bring a million flags of every different
cause and just American flag and you.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
We get out of the flag business yet flag business.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
The jobs report to release today, Greg, I think it
was about one hundred and fifty one thousand jobs created.
You know, some people are saying not bad. Other it
was below expectations, but not too bad. I wanted to
bring on Gary Giggy of course, with Giggy Nation the
capital management to talk about these numbers today. Gary, how
are you? What's your take on the numbers that came

(07:55):
out today, Gary.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
I don't think I could have said it better.

Speaker 7 (07:57):
Rot.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
I think it was a lacklusterkind of report, and so
there's some good stuff, there's some stuff that's not so good.
You mentioned one hundred and fifty one thousand jobs were created,
slightly less than expected, but we're glad for all those
people that did it. We always want to look at revisions,
you guys, So for the last two months it was
revised downward two thousand that's not a lot. So the

(08:19):
net gain is one hundred and forty nine thousand, and
so when you dig into the some of the internals,
that's I think that's where it gets really interesting. Unemployment
rate ticked up to four point one percent from four
Our average hourly earnings they were up a little bit,
up point three percent, and they're up four percent over
the last year. That's maybe a little bit hot for

(08:40):
the Federal Reserve. When they're looking at things, they probably
want it closer to three and a half percent. And
the hours worked increased point one percent at that point
six over the last year. So what that tells me
is that employers are paying their employees a little bit
more and they're also working them a little bit longer.

(09:00):
And when you look at the type of jobs that
were created, I think this gets kind of interesting. The
biggest gains came from healthcare and social assistance. Government rose
eleven thousand, but I'm going to talk about that in
a second. Manufacturing was up ten thousand, So those.

Speaker 8 (09:18):
Are all good.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
What has me a little bit concerned is hospitality and
that dropped, and that restaurants, bars, hotels that dropped twenty
eight thousand, So that tells me people that normally go
out and socialize they're a little bit concerned about where
the economy is heading, and so they're not going out

(09:40):
and socializing as much. Now, interesting, I mentioned federal government.
So even though eleven thousand people got jobs in the
federal government, the payrolls of the federal government dropped by
about seven thousand, which is the most in a month
in about three years. I think that trend is probably
going to continue. I see, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
So Gary, and I was going I was going to
go straight there because I recall in the in the
Biden years that so much of the job growth we
were seeing was coming from the public sector, not the
private sector. And so as we see doge and we
see the cutting and more efficient government, we're going to
see what we've been counting maybe as economic growth, really
that that's taxpayer dollars and that's really a We're going

(10:25):
to see those numbers go down. Tell me how I guess.
I guess. My question is if you're if you're seeing
the payroll drop, if you're seeing that that that government sector,
would you say grew eleven thousand jobs. Should we expect
those government jobs to decrease and does that create a
negative consumer confidence when it shouldn't.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
It could we could see payrolls decrease like we did
this month, yet jobs were created, and that trend could
continue because I think Trump wants to get good people
in government, but I think he wants to purge the
employment role of people that maybe have been there too
long or not being productive, things like that. So I

(11:05):
think you could be onto something greg where you could
see jobs created yet at the same time seeing government
payrolls go down. And that's a trend that could continue
for months and months.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Gary, how long do you think it will be before
we really start seeing the impact of an economy that
depends is less and less reliant on government spending and
more and more on private spending. I mean this shift.
I think Donald Trump is trying to make that shift.
How long would it be do you think before we
see that impact.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
I'm not sure, but I do know exactly what you're
talking about, and I've been thinking about this is that
for a long time, our economy has been driven by
government spending. President Trump. President Trump is trying to change
that to the private sector. So if you've seen all
of the announcements of companies and countries that are coming

(11:57):
in to create manufacturing facilities or create jobs in America.
It's coming from the private sector without the help of
government assistance. It seems like every time that the Biden
administration wanted to create jobs, they wanted to put our
taxpayer dollars into it, whereas President Trump is saying, no,
I want the private sector to drive this, and I

(12:19):
love that. I think that's exactly what we should be doing.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I want to go back to consumer confidence because I'm
really shocked that hospitality numbers have gone our job numbers
have gone down, because I feel like there's a greater
enthusiasm since President Trump was elected. In fact, the polls
show it that people are more bullish, they're more at
least the polls bear out that people have a greater
confidence in the future given this change in administrations and

(12:44):
with Trump. But you're not seeing it in these numbers
right here, Gary, Are we on a lag or something?
Can you can you reconcile the polls that say people
are feeling better, but where they would choose to spend
their money, like in hospitality, is not gone up.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
I can't reconcile it this month, and so I try
not to read too much into a one month event.
And if you see a couple of months, maybe two
or three strung together, where you continuously see hospitality jobs
going down, then and then that's a clear sign to
me that people are concerned about their pocketbook. They're concerned

(13:22):
about going out and spending money in restaurants and bars
and things like that. So one month, I'm not going
to read too much into it, Greg, but if it
is concerning, if you do see it for two or
three months in.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
A row, Gary, always great to hear your analysis to
what's going on. We appreciate your time, Gary, and go
have a great weekend. Thank you, Gary.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
You two guys have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Thanks all right you Gary. Giggy with Giggy Capital Management
kind of breaking things down a little bit. I think
people are still a little little nervous out of that well,
but we don't know the impact of the tariffs that
could be part of it. I just think that, you know,
I'm very I'm very bullish on America right now, but
I think there's still a little uncertainty.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
But I got to tell you, folks, we're sitting at
the Salt Lake Home Expo Yeah, this place is is
not a place that these don't have to have necessarily,
although maybe you do. There isn't a word soundy South.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
There isn't a party found.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I had to sit out there for I don't know
how long to find a parking place. This place is
wall to wall, absolutely packed. And so when when I'm
hearing about this, you know, lower hospitality jobs or the
consumer confidence mind, I'm not seeing it here. I'm seeing
I'm seeing a very bullish economy and.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
The point good point, all right. Coming up on the
Rodden Greg Show as we broadcast live from the Salt
Lake Home Expo and advanced window products. Coming up, salt
Lake City's new top cop will be joining us. Coming
up next on The Rodden Gregg Show, Well somebody who
does know what he what he what he's doing? Yes,
is our next guest who you know very well, I do.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Know, so joining us on the Rotten Gregg Show is
Brian Red, recently hired and approved by the salt Lake
City Council st. Salt Lake's new Chief of Police. Brian Read.
Welcome to the Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Thanks Greg, Thanks Rod, it's good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Now I have to preface this interview with the fact
that I've known you back when I was Speaker of
the House and we took on the lawlessness and the
drug cartels around the Rio Grande area of Salt Lake City.
It's the largest multi jurisdictional law enforcement efforts since the
Winter Games to that point, and you played a vital role,
in a leadership role in coordinating that and really getting

(15:29):
rid of and the lawlessness. We saw such a change
in such a short amount of time. So I want
our listeners to know that as the premise, because you've
done so much good. I guess my first question to
you is, this is a tough job being at the
Salt Lake City Police police chief. Do you believe that
you have the resources at your disposal to really tackle

(15:51):
what you know to be public safety issues and the
way you know they have to be addressed.

Speaker 9 (15:58):
Well, first of all, I would say to that that
you know, as the new police chief in Salt City,
I'm going to come in and definitely take a look
at what we have and look at what resources are
available and what we might need, what we might need
going forward. But I would say the the we have
great officers in the Saltic City Police Department, who are

(16:20):
doing excellent work. They're making a lot of arrests if
you look at the jail data. They're working very hard.
And I'm coming in here to support them, to listen
to them and see what support they need from from leadership,
and we're just going to go to work and see
what happens.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Chief Fred, when you were approached on this and you
started the discussions become the new police chief, where there's
some things that you pointed out that you said, I'm
going to need this to really make this a successful
tenure as police chief. Were there some things that you
pointed out that you said, you you really do need
to be successful.

Speaker 9 (16:56):
Well, of course we want our officers and I should
all so mention our civilian staff. We have many great
civilian staff in the Sela Sed Police Department that do
do do a lot of critical work as well. We
need to make sure that our our officers are well compensated,
trained and supported. And so that's something that we'll take
a really close look at at coming in.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
You know, it's also going to take partnerships.

Speaker 9 (17:18):
The police department cannot resolve all of the challenges, uh
that are that we're facing when you talk about the
intersection of crime and homelessness and addiction and mental illness.
That's going to take partnerships all levels of government, the
social services system, the you know, the crisis services system,
the criminal justice system. All partners are going to have

(17:40):
to work together, and we're going to work hard to
pull everyone together to resolve these these difficult challenges.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
So when we when again, going back to when we
work together, you were I think the number two guide
to the Utah Department of Public Safety. We had our troopers,
we had you know, on the ground with many different jurisdictions.
I'm going to teach. I'm going to say that, you know,
I don't know if you sell the movie We Escape
from New York, but I don't know if you've met
Snake Pliskin yet. In this job you've just got yourself
into by I gotta ask the question the partnerships that

(18:08):
we saw then with the state specifically. I know that
the I know that my former colleagues, I know that
they hold you in high regard. Do you expect a
stronger partnership specifically with the state, and maybe not mere
image of what we did back a number of years ago,
but really having a strong partnership with the state. Do
you see that as part of your your mission as
the new police chief? Police I do.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
I think pulling everybody together. You know, the mayor is
working very hard in.

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Salt Lake City to find affordable housing for individuals to
you know, bring the services that need to be there.
The legislature is working hard, and we just want to
all work together along with the Governor's office and just
just bring everyone together to solve these very difficult problems.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
You know, it's going to take all of us.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Chief. Let me ask you that, what do you think
the residents of Salt Lake City want from there or
their police chief? What do you think they want?

Speaker 9 (19:03):
Well, I just met uh with one of the community
councils at Library Square just a couple of days ago,
uh and dropped in with their with their leadership, and
they want they want safe parks, they want places for
their kids to be able to go safe spaces.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
They want to they want to be able to walk
the streets safely.

Speaker 9 (19:20):
And while we know statistically that crime is down, uh
uh in Salt Lake City and really across the country,
there are still quality of life issues. There are still
people who don't feel safe, and we know there are
still problems and challenges, so we have to understand those
are real to the residents of Salt Lake City and
we have to get down approximate with the with the
residents and help address these concerns.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
We also need to do that and and enforce the law,
but do it in a way.

Speaker 9 (19:46):
That that is is shows compassion and empathy for some
of these individuals who have these real serious mental illness
and addiction challenges. You know, we're always going to enforce
the law, but we're going to do it in a
compassionate way and bringing in partners to try to get.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
People to help they need. There's a lot of people
that need help on the streets of Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Salt Lake City's newest Chief of Police, Brian Red, thank
you for joining us on a prayer we might keep
in touch with you.

Speaker 10 (20:13):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I see urban decay and urban renewal at the same time,
and I need you to help me sort it out.
So what you're my new hotline. I hate to tell you,
I hate to break the news.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
To you anytime.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
I love to come on and thanks for having me
on and keep up the good work.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Thank you, Thank you, Chief Chief Brian red, the new
police chief in Salt Lake City, joining us here on
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine k n r M.
It has been so interesting Greg overtime to see how
the Democrats are trying to do whatever they can to
stop Donald Trump, and especially with the Department of Government

(20:50):
Efficiency right iciency, they're trying to convince the American people
that Donald Trump and Elon are headed in the wrong direction.
That's not what the can people want. Oh yeah, listen
to this sound bite from CNN's Harry Enton. He is
their political guy, counts all the public opinion polls, but
he was quote surprised when he found out what the

(21:12):
American people are telling them. He right play that one.

Speaker 11 (21:14):
This to me was one of the more shocking figures
that I saw. Made go wait a minute, hold on
one second. Whoa Americans on Trump and Joe's efforts Muscin
do doose should influence government spending and operations? Look at this,
fifty four percent the majority say that he.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
And they should.

Speaker 11 (21:30):
How about approve of Trump trying to cut staff at
government agencies? Again, you get a majority here fifty one percent.
So yeah, Elon Musk might not be that popular, but
these cuts in the idea of spending cuts at least
within the federal government and coming at government agencies that
actually has majority support.

Speaker 12 (21:46):
I was truly surprised by this cap.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
But the numbers are the numbers. The numbers are the numbers.
And you know, it's so interesting that Democrats had an
opportunity to say, you know what, we agree there is
probably government waste in this. Let's get together see if
we can find something. They couldn't do it because of
their hatred for Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
It is I mean, anyone who's ever observed or watched
politics campaigns and elections, you've you're always trying to get
even if it's not sincere and it's just out of
self interest. You're trying to get in front of the
people as you see where they're going. And there is
a clear sign, as Harry Nton just pointed out on
CNN of all networks, that the people want to see efficiency,

(22:26):
they want to see something better than what we've had.
You'd think that the Democrats would, knowing that Trump can't
run again, at least try to ride down and take
some credit for it. They're not. They're strangely not doing it.
They don't know really how to how to be, how
to contrast themselves, but to say, well, if he's for efficiency,
we're not. If he's for you know, if he's for

(22:48):
the everyday people in America, were not. I mean, really,
that's what it's come down to.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, there's more and more talking. We talked about it.
I think we took some calls on it earlier this week.
Greg the irrelevancy now of the Democratic Party, and even
Doug Shown, longtime Democratic pollster who appears on Fox quite often.
He was asked about the Democratic Party and what he sees.
List of this sound.

Speaker 13 (23:09):
Bite, I can say I'm not a Republican. I disagree
with many of the policies that President Trump so articulately
outlined and think he's gone too far.

Speaker 14 (23:22):
But that being said, my.

Speaker 13 (23:23):
Party is not doing what Bill Clinton did when the
Gingrich Revolution came in nineteen ninety four, which is to
offer a set of alternatives that recognize the American people
want border security, a reduction in inflation, tougher policies on crime,
and immigration reform. Until we do that as a party,

(23:45):
we Democrats remain irrelevant.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Sadly irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Sadly, he said, it farbar That is the point I've
been trying to make and saying that they're just not
Bill Clinton. I we watched Bill Clinton do it. There's
been those pivots that have occurred as national sentiment changed,
and literally, look, I you know what I think. I think.
I was just thinking talking to Chris to Queen Bee
yesterday about I think that Joe Biden is the greatest

(24:12):
supporter of Donald Trump we've ever had. I don't know
that Donald Trump could ever reach the heights of popularity
of electoral success if not for Joe Biden. I think
I think Trump owes everything in twenty twenty four to
his Jo Biden. What appears to be his greatest is
Joe Biden. Joe Biden gave him the alley loop, just

(24:32):
threw the ball up there. Let him just slam dunk
at home.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, you know the interesting thing. They came out of
the election, right and because that party was in such
disarray going into the election, they come out of the election,
who is their leader? Certainly Joe Biden's not their leader.
Kamala Harris, she was a joke to begin with. Not
their leader right now. So they're searching, they're searching for
who they are, what they stand for, and a leader.

(24:57):
There is one out there right now, Greg, and they
they they're law lost.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
They don't have an identity. No, I mean it was
very easy for is very intuitive of Bill Clinton in
ninety four when Republicans took over Congress first time in
forty years, to understand the lance, the political landscape and
to pivot to it. You don't see it now?

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, all right, we've had another hour, well two hours,
coming your way back. By the next hour, we open
up the phones to you because it is thank Roddin, Greg,
is Friday. A lot on your mind today, So we'll
take some of your phone calls.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Coming up, whatever's on your mind eight eight eight five
seven zero eight zero one zero. When we come back,
you listen to the talk radio, Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Nine canas all right? More coming up today with us.
We always loved this hour. It's Friday. We open up
the phones to you whoever would like to join us
and way in on what you see are the key
issues today. It is the final session of the state legislature.

(25:54):
Final night, final night, tonight clock and sticking what time
they're down to the final seven hours.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, it all ends at midnight.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, I've had a bill. Literally I needed to just
I needed to concur with the Center amendments. It's a
voice vote and I can make my little bill into
a law. And it ran out. I didn't get to
do it.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Didn't get to do it.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
The clock ticked midnight and my bill died.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Well it's the way life goes.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, I learned from that.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, yeah, you've seen that happen before, so you don't.
We had a state lawmaker today change parties we did,
you know, and he said he's doing so because he
doesn't think that lawmakers listen to UTUB voters. Yes, you've
probably heard that a lot over the years. Yeah, you
aren't listening to me. That's my wife used to tell me,
you aren't listening to me.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, you know, look, nobody's perfect, right, So I think
that people can have a people have been frustrated with
their public servants. I mean that's I mean, we all
feel that this particular lawmaker to make that claim, it's
just he just likes to vote with Democrats and he's
a Republican and that's what he really hates, which is
an odd time I'm to switch over to the Democrats.
When you look at where the party, where that party's

(27:03):
going now he's now it's not that he's not an
official Democrat. Now he's joined the way they call it
the Forward Party and uh, and so it's kind of
a I don't know, it's it's maybe it's Democrats for
in Utah. So you don't say the word democrat. I
don't know, but but it's not it's not. What it
really signals, folks on the inside baseball, is that he
doesn't have any intention running for re election.

Speaker 10 (27:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
We've seen this before another state senator a number of
years ago. Uh, no longer affiliated with the Republican party.
He was a Republican senator and he wasn't going to
run again, so he took some time as an independent, uh,
knowing he wasn't going to to have to get a nomination.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
So we can talk about that. Another issue that came
up today, the President today stripped the employee union that
represents the TSA. Okay, good, you're you're no longer a
part of it. My question would be, Greg, what would
life be like today without the TSA? Would you would
you feel comfortable? Do you think that would you would
do the TSA.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Do you go through any radar? Like what? I can't remember.
Was there any level of security when we walked through
an airport? Was there?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I don't recall a long time where you could actually
walk to the gate and say goodbye to somebody?

Speaker 15 (28:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well yeah that and like did the airport employees just
kind of have it? It was in a federal agency,
but was it just some like a metal detector you
walked through?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
So I just don't remember. I don't recall, you know.
And the the thing that I'm wondering Greg, you know,
and Jason Schaefit has talked about this. Not a big
fan of the TSA, by the way, but I wonder
why why not just privatize it? Why not either a
company do it or the airlines chip in to provide

(28:42):
that level of security. Why do we the taxpayers have
to pay for that?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think we do. I don't
think I think you could privatize that, and I think
that it would it would do what we're after another
find some efficiencies out there.

Speaker 12 (28:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
So I mean, do you like the TSA do you not?
That's a good question to ask other questions to uh.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
This the the the Pride Flag ban law has been approved.
This was this was This was authored by Trevor Lee,
who sponsored Representative Lee from up in Layton. And uh,
I say, hurrah, hurrah, hurrah.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I do too. Look, I think just and it's not
just the Pride flag. They're just getting out of the
flag business. We're just gonna get out of the flag
business because it's every cause everything, everybody had a flag
all of a sudden, and they're saying, look, if it's
not the U. S flag, if it's not the Utah
historic Utah State flag, or it's new version, this the

(29:39):
the uh yeah, the quicksilver version of the of the
Utah flag flag. Those are the three wave everything else.
Schools need to get out of the flag business. I say, so,
it makes sense. You know, we don't need any more statements.
And some you know, some statements are good statements, like
what about the flags of the different armed forces?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
You'd say, well what about find That's fine, But you
know I can go with that.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I can go without it if it means I don't
have to do with all the other flats, that's right,
that's my trade. I'm ready to I'm ready because everybody
has one they like. Probably, let's just get out of it.
Let's just get out of the whole business.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, now, do you'll like this? And this is another issue,
this is coming up. What happens on Saturday night?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Oh my goodness, Yes, ladies and gentlemen. If you didn't know,
if you haven't heard it from Rod, he's skiddy about this.
He's like you think he's a swiftie, talk about daylight savings.
Daylight savings, we move forward an hour. You are deprived
of one hour, sixteen minutes of sleep that you otherwise
would have enjoyed. Uh huh on Saturday night going into
Sunday morning.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
You'll like this, gall I'll be late for church, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
No, no doubt, you're too excited.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Gallup is out with a new pole, and guess what
it says.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Everybody hates it. You're pretty close, am I.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
More than half of the people in the US want
daylight savings time sunsettled. They're done with it. They want
to just stay on standard time, which I totally disagree with.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I would take the savings. I take the daylight savings
if it stayed by, If you just stop changing it.
But if you but the only way to stop changing
it is to go to the standard time. I'd go
to that. Then to keep changing it twice a year
drives me crazy messes. What's my what do we call
that again? What's that?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Whatever that's called?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I got some circadia rhythm going on that gets messed
up with that.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
All I know, rhythm is always missed up.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I know I never ever get my my my clock
going the right way.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
All right, now, this is thank rodding Greg. It's Friday.
This is the time where we talk about whatever is
on your mind. We threw out some topics already. You
may have an opinion. You may have an opinion on
what the state legislature is doing. Apparently they are going
to get pushed forward to tax cut, which will be
kind of night. So that's all coming up. But right
now we want to get to your phone call. See
what you think about it. Shall we go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Brian in
I can't see the name. I can't see it. We
got a little siren, Let's go to Brian. I don't
know where you're from, but boy, you sound like a
friend of mine.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Ran to the show, Brian, go ahead.

Speaker 16 (32:03):
Thanks, Hey. I just want to remind people of the
fact that if you don't study history, you're bound to
have to repeat it. Back in nineteen seventy three, during
the energy crisis.

Speaker 8 (32:18):
The oil embargo, the.

Speaker 16 (32:21):
US Congress decided to pass a law to try a
two year trial period of daylight saving time year round,
and at that time, the public opinion polls said that
they were seventy eight percent of people were approved.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
That were in approval of it.

Speaker 16 (32:38):
They passed it and at the end of the first year,
the incidents of depression went up, SAD, which is seasonal
effective disorder, went up, suicides went up. Importantly, the approval
rate went from that seventy eight percent down to forty

(33:01):
and was dropping faster than that. And so before the
second year even came up, while they cancel it. So
and in an interesting twist, it didn't even save any energy,
which any good engineer would tell you it wouldn't save
any energy because you're not adding any daylight, not a
single minute. It's just shifting when you see that the
sun come up and down.

Speaker 17 (33:22):
But you know people who say, oh, I'd love it
on daylight.

Speaker 16 (33:26):
Saving time year round. No you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I promise you wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
You would hate it.

Speaker 16 (33:30):
I was in junior high school.

Speaker 17 (33:33):
We got up in the middle of the night, we
got on the bus in the middle of the night,
we got to school in the middle of the night.
We didn't see the sun until first or second period,
and it was miserable. People will hate it, And I
guess I suppose we could try it and then people
would say, oh, it's terrible, we hate it, and finally
convince people that they really shouldn't think it's a great idea.

(33:54):
But essentially I think some people would.

Speaker 16 (33:57):
People would have some pride about it and say, oh, yeah,
well I don't like it, but that's what I wanted,
and we'd end up with it for a long time.
But people will heye that, I promise they will. We
just need to go on standard time year round. If
you want to have longer.

Speaker 8 (34:11):
Eating appur.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I think we lost your so Brian actually he's a
big fan of standard time.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well yeah, but see, but keep you one time all
year round.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, you'd go for that.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Sign me up. Me and Brian.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
See, it gives me something to look forward to in
the spring.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm changing, you know. We can teach you correct principles
that we have to govern yourself. And this is just
where it goes right here.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
This happens all the time, all the time. All right,
your calls, it's wide open today on this Thank Rod
and Greg is Friday eight eight eight five seven oh
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven oh
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See what's on your mind tonight. Did you work your
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(34:55):
are you? And welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 15 (34:58):
Dizzy, Hey guys, did you hear about this last minute
bill in the session where they're going to make milk
bone only consumable by a dog?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
That is the worst thing I've ever heard. That is
a terrible bill. I got to get back up to
the Capitol. They I got to stop. I throw my
body in front of that bill. Thank you for the
head zone, you know? Do you know?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Did because in your legos I know not.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
We cannot be interrupted my milk bone I have those
in the studio. Did he thank you for the heads up?

Speaker 5 (35:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, Well I really.

Speaker 18 (35:30):
Wanted to give you, guys a noe.

Speaker 15 (35:33):
I was worried about earlier talking the legislative session about
a flyer that one of the members of the House
put out there to make the Cottonwood Canyons a state park,
and I wandered to ask Greg, you maybe have a
little bit more thought on this. Do you think that
making the Cottwood Canyons of state park would make it

(35:54):
easier for them to use state funding for a gondola?
And if that's a back door to get money for
a gondola, if if they designated those spaces as state parks.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yes, and yes, interesting, Yes, thank you, No, I'm glad
you brought that up and it has received so the
now I don't know where the dust has fallen on
that bill or if. But to your point, there was
legislation and actually probably a little more vague language that
would do exactly what Dizzy just described, and that was
to make to make it state land and to make

(36:26):
the gondola easier to develop without the public input or
what normal infrastructure would go through. That was noticed by
a lot so they wanted to see it defined more clearly.
So you saw the word gondola and the next substitute
bill come out. Well, that actually drew some criticism as well,
and that that is in a I don't know if
that's in a conference committee right now or if that's

(36:47):
been circled as a bill. But I don't know the
end result. But your your concerns are merited. That what
you don't want. I don't think you'd want something that
bigue by way of innisture. It's like billions of dollars
to be done, uh to a state jurisdiction. Yep, that's
and that's a good concern to have. And I don't
know the end result. But if it was going to

(37:07):
get stuck through, the jig is up. People know what it.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Is, all right, Didsey, thank you. We appreciate your phone call.
Interesting point, but I thought a lot of that land
was owned by the US Forest Service.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
It is wrong, No, it is but state. Because what
is a jurisdiction that has land use authority in those areas?
There's there's there's uh, there's land, there's private land there.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
All right, let's head back to the phones. Eight eight
eight five seven O eight zero one zero eight eight
eight five seven o eight zero one zero. We go
to kay in Ogden tonight here on the Roden Gregg Show. Okay,
how are you? Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 12 (37:38):
Hello.

Speaker 19 (37:39):
I work for the I R S and Utah in
a division that researches refunds going to really wealthy individuals,
and because of all of the employee cuts, just today
I approved refunds of almost one billion dollars, many of
whom went to people that I saw on TV this

(38:02):
week during the inaugural address. And I just want people
to know that, yeah, the government needs to be cleaned up,
but it is benefiting the wealthy in ways that the
W two way journers out there don't quite understand. And
the eye of the I R S has been instructed
to drop research into wealthy individuals and companies and instead

(38:24):
focus on W two way journers, which is not I
think what taxpayers anticipated.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Absolutely not. Kay, thank you for your call. But I
have a question. So I always assumed, because I'm not
one of those high net worth taxpayers that they have,
they're kind of buttoned up with their accountants and their
tax attorneys. And I've always worried that the I R
S and some of their investigations would land on the
middle class workers where we don't have accountants and tax

(38:53):
attorneys to find all the you know, the myriad of
loopholes or just tax shelters that might be out there.
Are you saying that when these irs agents are let go,
that the high net worth ones are the ones of profit,
but the every day in our class still getting scrutinized.

Speaker 19 (39:11):
Yes, you are one hundred percent right. If I've worked
with high wealth individuals and businesses for decades and if
I see one of them pay any dime of tax,
I am shocked. They pay zero. Or I've looked at
some of the largest companies in the world and their
tax dollars are zero. It is the w two way

(39:32):
journers who pay almost fifty percent of tax income into
the federal government.

Speaker 18 (39:37):
It is not the wealthy.

Speaker 19 (39:38):
They do not pay tax.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Wow all right, kay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I what a perspective, thank you for.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I've always heard it differently. Did the wealthy pay a
large heare of the taxes?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah too?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Maybe maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, well, you know what.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I always knew they had, Like I said, those tax
attorneys and in those accounts that get all those they
find all those shelters everything else. But what I wouldn't want.
What I would regret is that they are getting an
easier though a bit because when I heard eighty six
thousand new IRS agents being ahted, I thought, well, the
only ones that they'll go after the ones that don't
have the tax attorneys and the accountants. But case perspectives

(40:14):
one I've not heard before.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I have a good friend, he owns his own accounting firm, right,
and we were talking about this, I think this summer
sometime it came up about the idea of hiring IRS agents.
He was in favor of it. You know why why
for one reason, if they've got the tax code in
this country is so complicated, when even they have questions
about what this means and how to do this, they

(40:36):
can't get a response from the Internal Revenue Service, there's
the one they're to answer.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I'm so that I guess that's why I'm just so
cynical with how how bloated or how big the tax
code is. And they've done these things where they've given
someone's financial you know, their earnings for a year and
given it to different accountants who come up with all
different answers as to how to account for it. And
I've thought, well that doesn't make me feel better.

Speaker 20 (40:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
That's why when I was a public servant, I loved
the idea of flat tax, just something that simplified it
where you where you didn't have to. The wealthier you are,
the more resources you had to shelter money or.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Believe it around. All right, more coming up as we
continue to take your phone calls tonight eight eight eight
five seven o eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven o eight zero one zero More coming up on
The Rotten Gregg Show. Are you out Tipper Valued Park.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Restaurant in North Park and Pittsburgh? Yeah, I do, Yes,
I do good for you as a bell hop at
the Sherton too, so I know I used to live
on tips.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Wow. Yeah for you working man. All right, Uh, it
is thank Roddin. Greg is Friday, and that means it's
time to open up the phones to you and let
you weigh in on whatever is on your mind on
this Friday evening. Don't forget set your clocks forward on
Saturday night. I don't want you to be late fridaything.
We got to get through this, yes I am.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
You know our listeners are trying to help you realize
that this isn't actually good for us.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
We have that one. Great Listen, we kind of laid
out a really compelling case.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yes, it's just you know, it's it's I'm I don't
know why you get so excited.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Okay, all right, let's go to the phone.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Let's go to David in Salt Lake City. David, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Hey, guys, how you doing good. We're I'm just calling
about that last that last caller that supposedly works for
the I R S. And she made a perfect case
for why we need to clean house there.

Speaker 10 (42:28):
She's looking at the high income.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Earners and worried about which one of them are on
TV and how much they pay in taxes. I mean,
there's lots of studies and graphs out there that show
that higher income earners pay a majority of the taxes,
and I think that the prime example of the type
of people we need to get at a kind of job.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Well, David, thanks for pointing that out, because I have
always heard that the higher income people in this country
pay a large percentage of taxes.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yes, I I'm looking.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
I'm looking at a graph right now that shows that
all of the classes ab of middle income pay almost
double what the other class is paying, so I'm not
sure what she was talking about. It sounded like she
had a political thief.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah. You know, there has been some response that that call,
so thank you for your observation, David. There's been some
response from from listeners wondering about that call and the perspective,
but it was you know, it's a it's a take.
That's what we like to hear here on the show.
Let's go now to James and Harriman. James, Welcome to
The Ron and Greg Show. What's on your mind?

Speaker 12 (43:32):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (43:32):
First of all, Man, I love the show. I've been
listening to Rod since he took over this time thought,
but I think the addition of Greg has been a
home run.

Speaker 12 (43:42):
So I think you guys make each other better.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, my favorite.

Speaker 12 (43:48):
Program of the day.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Thank you, James. We appreciate that.

Speaker 12 (43:53):
Yeah, you bet.

Speaker 18 (43:54):
I just wanted to weigh in on the daylight savings time.
I don't understand why it's so complicated, because we as
a country have already decided that eight months out of
the year it makes sense to be on daylight savings time,
and four months out of the year we go to
standard time. So the only arguments I've heard is for
farmers and schools. Why can't farmers and schools just switch

(44:17):
to winter hours during that time. Why does the rest
of the population have to conform to that just because
it's important for them. Why can't they just switch their
hours in November, December, January, January and February, don't I
don't understand.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
James. First of all, thank you for you know, listening
to the show. We appreciate that very much. Secondarily, James,
anytime you want to be on the show, you know,
I get set all the time on this issue, and
you make some very good point.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
You're saying, keep daylight savings times, but you'd like it
to be one time all year round, right.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Oh, he's saying adjust to it, Yeah, just time.

Speaker 18 (44:54):
I'm saying that. No, I'm saying we keep daylight savings
all the time, that the schools and farmers and anybody
that needs to have those winter hours they can change.
Why Why does the population need to change? Why do
we need to change the fuck?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
They just change that, James. James, Well, I'm glad you
you actually clarify had on a whole different way of passa.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
James, Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 18 (45:26):
If I could weigh in on that, I r S conversation.
I'm a business owner, and I think whenever we're we're
pitting W two employees against business owners, it's always a
mistake because it's just a different income. If you're on payroll,
your employer is matching your taxes, so it might not
look like they're paying taxes on their income. But they're

(45:47):
matching your taxes on payroll, so they're definitely paying taxes.
So it might not come down to them paying it
on the profit because they're reinvesting their money into the
business to help it grow. But that doesn't mean they're
not paying taxes.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Oh that's a good point, James.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, we like James a lot. All right, more of
your calls coming up. Ed, how are you? Thanks for
joining us.

Speaker 21 (46:11):
I'm good, but I'm a little bit confused by Hey,
that lady called in. Oh, let me just say I'm
with Greg get Rid of Daylight Saving Time.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Ah, thank you, Ed your sound. She is such a
smart listener. Thank you for calling.

Speaker 16 (46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (46:29):
I am a tax professional.

Speaker 21 (46:31):
I have prepared taxes for people that make more than
well up to four million dollars I've seen how much
tax they pay. Now, I don't know what she's looking at.
She might be looking at just businesses that have reinvestment
in research and development and other things to get rid

(46:52):
of of the tax. But that means they're spending dollars
to do it.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
But from my.

Speaker 21 (47:00):
Perspective, those that are working and get you money are
paying a lot of tax when they make a.

Speaker 12 (47:07):
Lot of money.

Speaker 21 (47:08):
And she is right about one thing. Those on W
two's do tend to get audited a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Why is that? But I thank you for your call
because I I don't want our listeners to to believe
that people that high net worth are just You're not.
They're paying zero taxes.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
But God, question why why that is?

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I'm sorry we let off off the air, but I
just why. I hate W two. That's exactly my big paranoia.
They hire all these agents and they come after the
W two employees deby war Bucks.

Speaker 12 (47:44):
They do it.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
It is alone, give me a flat tax.

Speaker 8 (47:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Shall we go back to the listeners. I guess all right,
let's go to Sandy and talk with Jeric. I believe
it is tonight, Jeric, how are you welcome to the
rodd and Greg show, I'm.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Good, how are you?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
And funny.

Speaker 12 (47:58):
I just barely let the the home show. Great show
this year.

Speaker 23 (48:03):
It because I wanted to talk Yeah, great show. I
want to talk about House Bill five twenty five. And it
sounds like a kind of get killed or has been killed.
But it would ban semi trucks weighing over fourteen thousand
pounds grosser vehicle weight that were manufactured two thousand and
nine or newer starting May twenty twenty five. It was

(48:26):
ceased registration for him and then outright ban them in
twenty thirty. And that would be so detrimental to this valley.
If people want to keep building, they want to keep
working on their homes, their landscape, all that stuff even
are new in them port. Most of your trucks are
pre two thousand and nine diesel trucks. I just wanted
to bring that two year attention.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I didn't know about that bill, say House Bill five?
Was it five to twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Two five?

Speaker 23 (48:54):
And it was pushed by all the Republicans.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Oh yeah, that's a that build. I just looked this up.
This thing. Yeah, it's better than fried chicken, and it
should be. You're one hundred percent right, Yeah, banning all
these trucks. Are they crazy? I mean, I don't even
know why. Yes, I couldn't agree more. It is. It
really is horrible.

Speaker 23 (49:14):
It's a horrible I'm in the industry. My family's been
in the industry since nineteen forty nine and midvel here
and we only have one post two thousand and nine
truck and it has been a nightmare to maintain. Wow,
I've got one truck with two thousand and one and
it has over a million miles on it and the
engine hasn't been touched since.

Speaker 12 (49:34):
See I think it's eight years now.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Wow, all right, the older vehicle was actually more dependable.
They yeah, absolutely behind that bill deserve a sound of
a back cutlor. Look, it's a bit of it. It's a
it's a bit of social engineering for them to try
and say that by a certain date you can't have
these Sevy trucks. Well, coming up on our number three.
If we are.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Lucky, you pad yourself out, I'll hit you today.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Oh that's right, last Friday.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
We'll see stay with us.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Bad news is the press, the Senate Senate President Stewart
Adams are pal Stewart Adams. It's a last night you.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Used to be.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Probably it's probably all drama going on in that capital
right now, so you can't break away, can't talk to
us tonight and tonight we've been our last chance because
there won't be a session next Friday.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Did you see that story today about him and the
news State auditor.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I've heard what's up from that?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
So if you aren't aware, she's gotten ballistic because apparently
President Adams so to speak, reportedly kicked her out of
her office.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I look, I haven't read an official news story about it,
but it was all the chatter was at the State.
They said, oh, there's drama, and so I've heard. I've
heard bits and pieces, but I don't know the full story.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Well, we've got some time so we can take some
more phone calls. We always love to hear from our
listeners on a Friday afternoon. Let's go back to the phones.
Let's see we've got Scott in West Valley tonight. Scott,
how are you welcome to the Rodden Gregg Show.

Speaker 10 (50:59):
Thanks for waiting, Hey doing fine, Thanks for taking my call.
I wanted to talk about President Trump saying that Vladimir
Putin wants peace. If Vladimir Putin wanted peace. He could
have it tomorrow by withdrawing his troops from the Ukraine.
And I wish somebody would ask President Trump about that.

(51:20):
The other thing is President Trump talking about World War three.
There is no way Vladimir Putin is going to start
World War three. His troops can't even defeat Ukraine. He's
not going to take on anybody else anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Scott, I think I appreciate. I just have a question.
Do you think that Europe and the European countries could
unify and present a stronger defense against Russia if the
United States was not involved. Could Europe take on that
that that Russia for the you know, for fell European

(52:00):
nation or does it require the United States to get involved?

Speaker 12 (52:03):
Do you think?

Speaker 10 (52:06):
I think at the moment, Europe is you know, they're disorganized,
and President Trump is right, they needed to spend more
money on their militaries. I think they could do it,
but it's going to be more Ukrainian deaths and more
Russian death than if the United States got involved. And
you know, if we.

Speaker 14 (52:26):
Really got involved, that would be the way to get
the war over sooner. You know, if you committed weapons
the Ukrainians and they're brave and they're fighting for their
freedom and they want to leave the Russian sphere of
influence and join the West, and the United States is
treating them like crap.

Speaker 8 (52:46):
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, yeah, Scott. You know you asked that question about
Putin being a peacemaker and Trump saying that about him
where he wants peace, you know, with Donald Trump, I
don't know about you, Greg. I think Donald Trump is
a cage negotiator and I don't know if he's setting
him up what he's doing in that regard with Putin.
I you know, you always have to wonder what is

(53:08):
Donald Trump thinking in the regard to this situation.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Do you have the same feeling I do? Well, this
is what I think. I think that that ninety six
percent of our rare minerals on planet Earth are controlled
and processed in China.

Speaker 12 (53:19):
China.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I think if you came up with an economic deal
where you are going to mine and process rare minerals
front the United States and Ukraine, that is not just
an economic benefit, but that's a national security benefit. And
when you find out that those fields where that where
those rare minerals are located, our area is currently occupied
by Russia. Well, then one would tell you they have

(53:40):
to vacate those areas for the United States to pursue
its national security interests as well as its economic interests.
And I think that is what President Trump is driving towards.
I think that's the strategy.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
That could be well. And there was a Byron York
with the Washington Examiner pointed this out the other day
about about what's going on there and he said, you know,
but this was a Washington Post report did and Byron
Yorke noted this. He did a very good analysis and said,
if you think about it, Russia has Russia hasn't gotten

(54:12):
any farther. No, somebody has stopped him. Either they don't
want to go farther, or Russia can't go farther. I
mean they can't, so maybe they can. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
So I think I think some of the hesitation Scott
Scott's worried that the way the message is coming out
of the United States aren't aren't friendly enough, or that
they're actually bad. I got to tell you, I think
wanting to find a national security and economic partnership with Ukraine,
putting and then taking the weight of the United States
to say you have to you know you're gonna have
to vacate, or we're not going to let you damage

(54:43):
our national security interests. I just think what you're not
going to find from this president is a security guarantee
that Ukraine may want that requires American soldiers on the
ground in that country, especially when you have so many
loud and loud European nations that are demanded defense but
are not able to provide it themselves. They are sending

(55:03):
more money to Russia for oil and gas than they
are resources to Ukraine. That's got to change. You can't
keep sending more money to Russia than you're sending to
Ukraine if you're serious about repelling Russia.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
The good point. Let's go to Daniel in Lehigh tonight
listening into the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Daniel, how
are you? What's on your mind tonight? Daniel?

Speaker 22 (55:25):
So, in response to what the other caller was saying,
Putin can't walk out or walk away from Ukraine. We've
been pushing NATO armies eastwards since Obama and Biden have
been in office.

Speaker 12 (55:36):
That's what started the conflict in the first place.

Speaker 22 (55:39):
So if he walks away, he's allowing NATO to push
armies right up against his border, which is what he
doesn't want. And as far as World War three goes,
he has nukes, so yeah, it's a threat.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, Daniel, I think I would fall on your side
of this analysis. But I will tell you this, I
think the United States uniquely. I don't think. I don't
put a lot of weight in NATO. NATO's got Turkey,
Turkey's not going against Russia. They got Belarus. Belarus isn't
going to go against Russia. So even the NATO nations
themselves and they don't pay their bills, I don't find
any strength there. But boy, I think I do find strength.

(56:14):
If the United States has a national security and an
economic interest interest that is shared with Ukraine, I think
that changes the game very quickly. I wish that was
given a better opportunity to be explored. But I'm going
to tell you I think this country has had it
with just endless wars and certainly deploying our men and
women overseas, and I think that what I think any

(56:36):
security interest should be in mutual interest between the two countries,
but not some guarantee of troops along, you know, being
deployed in Ukraine.

Speaker 12 (56:46):
Russia.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
My question is, Greg, what are we are we into
the third or fifth year?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
It lose three years?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Is it three years? Maybe maybe three years? But I
think the American people have said, we do not want
to be involved in another endless war. That's true, and
that's what it looks like right now. Donald Trump is
trying to bring an end to it, and he's doing
whatever he can to do that. He's dealing with a
guy in Ukraine and Zelensky who I don't I think
the trust factor between him and him and Trump has disappeared,

(57:14):
and Donald Trump doesn't trust him any The.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Sad part being that only does when you when you
get into one of those big agreements at the White House,
the Oval Office, and you try to retrade that deal
with the president in front of the can world.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
And he kind of admitted it, but not that is.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
That is a big mistake. And to think if if
people that were observing that moment in the Oval Office
thought that they were just exploring the deal for the
first time, and that there hadn't been a herculean effort
of drafts and amendments and red lines and objections and
compromises before two heads of state walk into a room.
We would be wrong to assume that that that deal

(57:51):
was made and they were there to report to the
people what the deal was and what the road ahead
would look like. And I think Zelensky was entirely the
bad player in that exchange at the White House, and
that's that's that plays into Putin's hands.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Sure it out, So we go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, let's go to Skip and Murray Skip. Thank you
for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg show man.

Speaker 8 (58:10):
I've never begun on on that fast in my entire life.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Thank you you sure welcome.

Speaker 8 (58:17):
It's always good to listen to you guys. Can I
add just two cents worth to this whole process. Trump's
trying to come up with a plan that would stop
the war, isolated China with its rare mineral hold, and
also create friends between two nations. And the only way

(58:37):
that's going to be that's going to happen is if
they begin mining those rare minerals in the Donbasque area,
which is currently controlled both by Russia and by Ukraine,
and be able to make some type of a deal
between the two of them and us to be able
to benefit from it. And I think that that that's

(58:58):
what he's trying to do. He's trying to negotiate that
deal right now that will help settle this whole problem.
I mean, we basically helped to create this incident with
Ukraine by supporting the current administration and kicking out the

(59:19):
former administration. So I look at it and say to myself,
we have to come up with a plan. Americans are
tired of war. Yes, we're tired of losing it, and
we don't have enough arms right now.

Speaker 7 (59:33):
Talking to friends of mine who works in the State
Department and in the DOE that can be able to
protect us if we got into a full war, We're
that far behind in our own production.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Skip, You're right, and I think the rare minerals. I
don't think we explored as you just did how important
that deal can be for purposes of national security, economic benefit,
and security. But then, as Skip pointed out, it does
isolate you. There's ninety six percent of all the rare
minerals are mined and processed in China. That is just
not a safe scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Well, I understand to change that, Yeah, well I understand. Today.
Fox News was reporting today they are very very close
to this deal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, very deal. I would hope cool. We're had to
prevail when we get a smart if the United States
has to be the big lynchpin for it all. The
President ought to be given the right to cut that
deal and make it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Make it work, all right mare Coming up the Rod
and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh five nine,
can arrest well. The jobs report came out today. We
were talking with Gary Gigey a little bit earlier. President
Trump also spoke about it at the inside the Oval
Office today. Here's what he had to say about the
jobs report.

Speaker 24 (01:00:46):
During the last year he Biden administration saw a loss
of more than one hundred and ten thousand manufacturing jobs,
or nine thousand manufacturing jobs every single month month at average,
about nine thousand a month, one hundred and ten thousand
manufacturing jobs.

Speaker 25 (01:01:05):
During the first full month in office.

Speaker 20 (01:01:08):
We've not only stopped that manufacturing collapse collapse.

Speaker 25 (01:01:11):
But we've begun to rapidly reverse it and get major games.
We created ten thousand manufacturing jobs in February alone.

Speaker 20 (01:01:21):
That hasn't happened in a long time. And these aren't
government jobs, which actually we cut. These are private sector
manufacturing jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
So yeah, I mean private manufacturing jobs. That's what this
country needs and that's what Donald Trump is trying to do.

Speaker 18 (01:01:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And this job report we had Gary a Gee from
a Gee Capital Manager, come on, really give us a
great analysis of just the national sentiment, where the job
growth is happening, where it's not. But you know, as
far as job reports go, because the Biden administration just
filled that job's report every month with more and more
government jobs that like, I don't know, finds that you

(01:02:00):
have a company out here that was paid fifty six
thousand dollars here to the water eight plants. Today, you
know you're going to see some of these federal jobs shrink,
as you should. And that's not that doesn't mean our
economy shrinking because that's taxpayer money being used. I don't
know why that's even in a jobs report when government
spends money on jobs. But to see that the turnabout

(01:02:22):
for manufacturing jobs eleven thousand net more manufacturing jobs after
an over one hundred thousand lost last year alone with Bidenah,
what a great turnaround. What And and all these reports
of Honda built building the Civics in Indiana instead of Mexico.
We've got so many of those stories coming so I
see good times.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah ahead, and I do too. And I think that's
what Donald Trump is counting on. You and I have
talked about this. Congress needs to get attacked together and
continues the Trump tax plan. Don't don't don't screw it up,
you guys. I know, and I guess it's like, come.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
On, I know I sound like a broken record, but
it is described so inaccurately. There is no cut, tax
cut that that's the Senate has to pay for. It
is just leaving our tax rates.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
That all they are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
And by the way, that's that Steven Moore has been
on our show. He's a national you know, he's a
constructing to this why in the White House, he's a
counselor to the president. He says that it's like a
five thousand dollars hit to the average family if they
don't leave the taxes alone. It's not cutting taxes, it's
leaving them alone. So when I hear even these Republicans

(01:03:30):
in the secall we have to pay for it. No, No,
you're looking at a tax increase. You still want All
you have to do is not raise everybody's taxes. There's
no you're not taking away any revenue from the treasury.
You're leaving the tax rates the same. That's all we're
talking about. And if you don't, it's not billionaires that
enjoy taxing, tax increases, it's the average everyday families and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Employers and all they're trying to do. Greg is for
just take the spending levels back to twenty nineteen. Heaven forbid,
just take.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
What were we a third name? Third?

Speaker 10 (01:04:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Is it a third world country in twenty nineteen? Is
that so scary? I think twenty nineteen was fine. I
like twenty nineteen in hindsight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
All right, more coming up on The Roden Gregg Show
when we come back, we'll go to the border with
Mexico and find out what the situation is like now
under Donald Trump. Some amazing changes have taking place, and
we'll check in. Coming up next on the Roden greg Show.
There it is, brother.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
You didn't know daylight savings coming, So Rod is ramped
up and ready to go lose an hour of sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Can I give you a simple reason?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Do you understand? Do you know that our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Are I know they're very much with me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I on, you gotta get on with the program.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I like driving home when it's l like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
My goodness, this is just not that's good enough deal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Yeah, So I don't mind. I don't I sleep very well,
so I don't worry about losing an hour of sleep, don'tkay.
People like you who are kind of high strung. Yeah,
you have a tough you have a tough time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
What did you say kind of he read something nicest.
I'm sure you know it wasna what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
He raised that support? All right, a story. Donald Trump
promised one of his two promises during the campaign was
he's going to fix the border and he's going to
do something about the economy. I don't know if we
can say the border is fixed yet, but it sure
is a huge step in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
But sure is it? Sure is there were there is
just such measurable difference without a single law or some
you know, some Senate bill that was supposed to have
to pass for anything else to be done, which was
proven to be a flat out line.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Yeah. Well, Joining us on our newsmaker line right now
is Joey Chester. Joey is a communications manager with the
Federation for American Immigration Reform otherwise known as FAIR. Him
and his crew have been down on the border this
past week. Joey, great to chat with you give us
your assessment as to what you see going on in
the border right now.

Speaker 12 (01:05:57):
Well, it's nice to have some good news for once.

Speaker 26 (01:06:00):
So it felt like four years of running in sand
for fair and for the country has totally changed. So
we flew down to Cocheese County, Arizona, which is in
the southeastern part of Arizona. It kind of along the
New Mexico border, and we visited with a border rancher
and took a tour of the southern border. And this

(01:06:23):
is a rancher who under the Biden administration at the height,
was dealing with mostly over three hundred eegal aliens crossing
onto his ranch every single day.

Speaker 12 (01:06:34):
And these people were godaways.

Speaker 26 (01:06:36):
These are not the people that were turning themselves into
border patrol hoping to be released. These are the drug smugglers,
the human smugglers, the people who have good reason to
not get caught. And now that number since January twentieth
has dropped to under ten per day. And the other
big difference is border patrol actually has a much larger
presence along the border now where he lives, to the

(01:06:58):
point where if these people are getting across they're actually
arresting them and they are being put into deportation proceedings
instead of being released into the interior of the country.
And then we went over to San Diego as well,
and the border is completely changed there too. Remember there
were mass street releases in San Diego and now it's
such a difference that migrant shelters are closing down in

(01:07:21):
San Diego. So great news to report.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
So a great news report. Tell me about just going forward?
We've seen such a drop. Is this sustainable? Is this
a new broom sweeps clean? What do you see as
the ripple effect from what's going on so quickly with
the Trump administration.

Speaker 26 (01:07:42):
Yeah, it's great what is happening right now. We are
super happy with the border numbers, eight thousand in February.
That is great news for the American people. It's great
news for border security. And that is largely because of
President Trump's executive actions to secure the border and enforce
our immigration laws, which is opposite of what President Biden did.

(01:08:03):
But I do want to caution it. We could see
a spike in these numbers.

Speaker 12 (01:08:07):
Again.

Speaker 26 (01:08:07):
The cartels are smart. They're losing out on a lot
of money right now, and So the big thing that
Fair wants to see is Congress to act to codify
President Trump's border policies into law, because if that doesn't happen,
the next president that has similar policies to Joe Biden
could undo all of this and welcome another mass wave
of illegal immigration.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Joey, you said, I believe you said you were down
on a ranch down there in Coachees County, Arizona. Did
you get a chance to talk to the rancher and
what is his reaction to all of this?

Speaker 12 (01:08:37):
We did.

Speaker 26 (01:08:38):
We talked to His name is John Ladd. He owns
a cattle ranch. I think he has about seventy miles
total of border wall on his property. And he took
us to some spots and showed us one location where
the border wall and this is the Trump border wall
even had been cut about ten different times and illegal

(01:08:58):
aliens were walking right through the hole in the wall.
He took us to the spot where there's floodgates that
they opened during monsoon season in Arizona, and illegal aliens
were walking through the floodgates just onto his property. And
he estimates he's had a couple hundred thousand total that
have crossed on his property and the sense of release

(01:09:19):
that he has felt. I mean, it was night and day,
he said. You could just tell that this man felt
so much better and he felt much more safe now
with President Trump in office. This was a reality he
has lived for years, and so it was just so
enlightening for us to get to hear from him, and
you could tell how thankful he was for President Trump

(01:09:41):
and for Border Patrol to actually be able to do
their jobs and enforce the law again. So yeah, this
rancher is thrilled with what's happening now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I tell you, if you've since since you're talking to people,
you're you're watching all of that self deportations. There's been
some statements out there people who've entered this country illegally,
if they were to go back to their home of origin,
there are opportunities to legally enter the country. They will
have those opportunities. If they're caught and deported, they would not.
Has that had any kind of positive impact the self

(01:10:15):
deportations and the incentives to do it.

Speaker 26 (01:10:19):
Look, we don't have any data yet on that, but
you know, if you think about it, it really makes
sense if you are an illegal alien. I think it's
a great strategy by the Trump administration. We have to
get as many illegal aliens out of the country as possible.
In fact, a story just came out today's brand new
report from Fair. We had breaking news story in Fox.

(01:10:42):
We now estimate that there's a little over eighteen million
illegal aliens living in the United States, and so that
gives you an idea of what ICE is up against.
Eighteen million is a lot for ICE to deport on
their own. And so Christy Nomes message has said, Yeah,
if you leave the country on your own, you may
have an opportunity to come back. If we find you

(01:11:03):
and to port you, you're never coming back, and that
should work for some number of illegal aliens. And the
other thing the administration is doing is cutting off some
federal benefits for illegal aliens. And so if you're an
illegal alien and you're starting to lose the benefits that
you had here under Biden, and you know that if
you get caught, you're done.

Speaker 12 (01:11:22):
You're pretty good incentive to leave.

Speaker 26 (01:11:24):
So I do think that you will see illegal aliens
start to self deport.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Eighteen million, that is a huge number. Joy I appreciate
the update on that page number. How well beat our
border security officials now knowing they've got an administration which
is behind them, and it sounds like every step of
the way, how well beat are they?

Speaker 26 (01:11:43):
Well from what we can tell. I even wrote a
story about this after the election, and you know this
is before President Trump was even in office, and ICE
and Border patrol officials were thrilled. The morale surged because
they are able to do the jobs that they signed
up for. And I think that's what's really key. And

(01:12:03):
the other thing that I think is important to them,
like when you think about Tom Homan. Tom Homan is
someone who has done this job for decades. He's been
in the field, shoulder to shoulder with these people, doing
the job with them. So to have someone like Tom
Homan as a figurehead and part of the operation, I
think means a lot of these people and the new
word Patrol Chief Michael Banks, he knows what he's doing.

(01:12:26):
He's serious about the mission and supporting the agents. And
so from folks who've talked to on the ground, like
this rancher in the local sheriff's department, you know, people
who live in these communities with the border agents, they're
thrilled because, like I said they are able to do
the jobs they signed up for again, because as we know,
a lot of what they were doing was essentially babyfitting

(01:12:46):
illegal aliens and just processing and releasing them into the country.

Speaker 12 (01:12:50):
That's not what these guys want to do.

Speaker 26 (01:12:52):
They want to protect America and stop illegal aliens from
entering the All right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Joey, appreciate your time. Joey Chesser. He is a communications
manager with fair talking about the current situation on the border. Boy,
times have changed down on the border. All right, more
coming up on the rod In Great show. We have
one minute. This Jim Hackman story is bizarre, Greg More
details came out today about the cause of death and
what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
It says, according to news reports, his wife, who's a
lot younger than him, passed away a week earlier before
he did. He did of natural causes. And then he
passed away of natural causes. Yeah, so she had she
died of honavirus. It's a rare it's a rare flu
like disease linked to rodents and uh yeah, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And he suffered from dementia, is that you know? And
here's a bizarre thoughn I wonder if he knew she was.
I wonder if she knew she was dead with dimension
maybe yeah, if he knew she had died.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
And then the dog, I think, poor dog, I think
he just starved. I mean, what it was two weeks,
ten days, the bizarre story.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Hey, we've had a lot of fun today. We always
like getting out in the public the way we have today,
meeting some of our great, great listeners. And for all
of you who listen each and every day, head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and
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