The Rod and Greg Show: Puppet Show that Ran America; Growing illiteracy in America; GOP Facing Generational Shift

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I heart guaranteed human. There's no machines doing this show.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Can you what machine could do this show? I'll tell
you a I might be able to do a lot
of things. I'm on the fence on whether I like here,
and I catch Grok being wrong all the time. Grok
can never be me.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, that's true. Never, Nor would do you want? Ah?
How are you, every buddy?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
It is the Rod and Greg show, back together again
after our holiday Thanksgiving break. I hope you had a great,
great holiday audience, I really did. I missed talking to
folks each and every day. It's great to be with
you on this Monday afternoon already the first day of December.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Wow, I know it goes fast, you know, folks without
you and without this show. Poor Rod has to hear
all these long rants from me. Boy I send him
text I send emails I sent. I have to get
off my chest, I asked. I mean, somebody's got to
hear the truth. And if you're not here, if we're
not here with you, then Rock get them. And you
know he does. He totally big times me. He ignores me.
He doesn't even reply. It takes you forever to reply,

(00:55):
you know.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
One of them.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I showed to my wife. I said, this guy goes
off on the weirdest things.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
That wasn't a weird thing. That was absolutely yeah, that
was kind of strng appropriate. It was kind of a
strange observations are appropriate.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
And it is good to be with you this afternoon,
a man, do we have a lot to talk about.
As you might suspect that we've been gone a week.
It's good to be back together with you, and we'll
get well. Let me give you just a quick little
rundown of all the things that happened to what we
were going had. The tragic shooting of the National Guard.
They're in the National young woman lost your life, another

(01:25):
guardsman fighting for his life. Right now, what a story
coming out of Minnesota. Can you believe this man almost
was elected to be president vice president of the United States.
Tim Walls and the Somali fraud. They won billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's up to a billion dollars of fraud at the
Somali groups. I think with NGOs, if they have been
able to swindle taxpayer money, state federal, up to a
billion dollars. And it looks like Governor Walls was given
ample opportunities to put an end of this was notified
over and over and over again. Never lifted a finger.
And in fact, anytime anyone tried to these Somali groups

(02:01):
would start to accuse the people that would find it
of being racist to try to shame them politically. What
a beautiful state to do that. In Minnesota, where a
dentity politics rules the day, you can get away with
I guess a billion dollars of seft by using identity politics.
We're the victim class. How dare you you're wife? Why
would you ever say anything we've done anything wrong? Yeah,
so that's that's something.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
We've got. That story.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
We're all talking about Pete Haig Sath. There are charges
that he may be a war criminal. We'll get into
that story.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Third hand story jokes that the machine media is taken
to the bank.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Donald Trump cracking down on immigration. You have the legislature,
Well we were gone. Stewart Adams, by the way, the
president of the Utah Senate, I think he raised scheduled
on the show tomorrow tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow, he'll talk about
the legislature's planning going after their whole redistricting battle. Donald
Trump wants to charge foreign visitors to our national parks
more money.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's a no brainer.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I kind of like this, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
And if I go to if I go to some
golf courses and I'm not a resident, I got to
pay a non resident fee, green fees. Yeah, I've never
been offended by it.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, that's the name of the game. Yeah, yeah, okay,
we'll talk about that. The President also trying to cancel
every executive order or issue that was signed by Biden's autopen. Yeah, hey,
he didn't sign it. Someone else did the machine.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think that the grounds for each of those ought
to be the substance in which an autopen was used.
But whatever way you have to get to the end
of it, the President Biden didn't sign it. It was
an autopen, and it needs to be reversed, and likely
just from whatever they try to get away with with
that autopen with him asleep at the wheel is something
we should be getting away with, getting rid of anyway

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without regard to the autopen. So I think that's that
exercise is very worthy of their time and attention.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Now we want to start off the show today. That's
one of our favorite stories. You head home on this Monday,
there is a saloon up in Idaho. It's up near
to the Boys area. I think it's an Eagle, Idaho
who really generates some controversy. Occasionally they have been some
while things right, but the newest is really I mean,
it has got liberals so inflamed they don't know what
to do with themselves. Greg the Old State Saloon. It's

(04:08):
located in Eagle. If you've lived up in that area,
you know where Eagle is. I love this is offering
a whole month of free beer to anyone who assists
US Immigration and Customs agents in identifying and deporting illegal
immigrants from the state. A month of free beer if
the patrons help I find illegal aliens.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, look, you get these paid protesters on the left.
They get paid to protest. They're just there, they give
they hand them a pre made sign, they get up,
they don't even know what they're talking about, but they
get paid to do it. This is a little bit different.
This is like, hey, this is what we want you
to do, and if you do it, we're gonna this
is a real reward. This is we're not going to
pay you to do it, We're gonna give you a
reward because you're a good citizen.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, they're also being very fair. They're saying any illegal
who decides to self port wealth support, Yeah, self support
will get a free beer the day they leave, you know.
So see they're being fair.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
They're very fair. This is a very judicious bar Okay
this These people have thought this out, and I applaud
them for their patriotism.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So fun.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
It's the old state saloon. They come up with some
creative ideas. I can say that. All right, great news today,
great great news today. Gasoline prices, the national average is
going down. Listen to this analysis today from CNN.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
The first time in four and a half years, gas
prices are averaging three dollars a gallon nationally in court
in triple a, down by seventh cents in just the
past week. Gas priss were low a year ago as well,
but they're even cheaper now. This is encouraging to see
because late last month there was a period where gas

(05:44):
prices were actually higher this year than last year, but
that has reversed again and now we've just fractions of
a penny away from breaking below three dollars a gallon. Now,
as you mentioned, we've got twenty states across the country
where the average is actually less than two seventy five
a gallon, including North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Iowa, Wisconsin,

(06:05):
and Colorado as well.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Certainly nice to see.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
This, you know what, Greg, I filled up today and
regular gasoline where I filled up was three h nine,
So we're pretty close to that three dollars average.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Pretty close.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
And I think word gets out Greg, the gas prices
are falling, you know, we're both concerned about this affordability issue. Yes,
facing the midterm elections, I think gas prices come down,
and I hope other prices start coming down as well.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So the good news is and we're still not we
were still oddly outside of the norms of mapping in
Colorado and places where where we should have a less
expensive gas because of our infrastructure for fuel and gasoline
here with the wells and the refineries and the pipelines
and the truck all that we should have, we should
have it cheaper than Colorado, which we don't still. But

(06:53):
the Triple A daily this is updated every day. The
daily average or the average for the state of Utah
right now, reported by trip play. For this date, it's
at three oh five. I just looked up gas buddy
for this immediate area around the station two ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Wow, around the around around.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
The station right here. So so we're seeing that go down,
We're not. We aren't commensurate with Colorado, for for instance,
where they don't have refineries or anything, they're much lower
than we are. They're in the I saw over the
weekend a dollar ninety If you don't believe it, really so.
But here's here's the point. We're going to see those
price We should and we should always see the national

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movement of a price of a gallon of gasoline. We
should be enjoying that, and we should be on the
front edge of that because those refineries and those gasoline
companies in Utah have enjoyed great corporate citizen status of
tax exemptions and tax credits. Because it was a great
two way street. We enjoyed very less. Our gasoline was
less expensive, and we were happy that they were refining
it and getting it here. Yes, but where you're not

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getting it lower than everyone else, it starts to feel
like a one way streat. So I don't want to
be greedy, but three oh five, when everybody else is
rounding the two dollars range, I'm still not.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Still not happy yet now, but hopefully we're headed in
the right I like to think that we're getting better.
Hopefully we're headed in the right direction now. When we
come back, we've got a lot to get to today.
We invite you to be a part of the program
as we do each and every day eight eight eight
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(08:23):
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r S. So we've got a lot to talk about.
Were don't talk about the puppet show that ran America
when Joe Biden was president. That's coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show on this Monday afternoon. So good
to be back with you right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine kN RS. The President, what
was it over the weekend or something? He talked about

(08:44):
the auto pen and anything that Joe Biden signed with
the autopen or the machine signed it for Joe Biden.
He may not have known what he was signing, but
the President wants to wipe it all out. He just said,
I'm done, We're doing this anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's a bit of a broad brush, but I'm totally
behind the ft. I think. I don't know how much
ever thought was put behind any of them, but one
by one or by all at once, I don't care.
But you got to get rid of the ones that
he ever never really saw or sign.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah or signed well. Joining us on our newsmaker line
to talk or more about this. And really I love
the title of this article, the Puppet Show that ran America,
because it really was a puppet show. David Mannie. He
is a writer a contributor to PJ Media. David, how
are you welcome to the Rodden Greg Show. Great to
have you on.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Oh, thank you so much. And going back to football,
don't you wish you could just walk around with like
a telestrator in real life?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Exactly? I have so much to say on that topic,
and I have a lot to tell us straight too,
But yeah, good points, David.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Let's take him in and talk about this puppet show
and how they tried to deceive America even though every
American out there saw what was happening, but they kept
on telling us no, he's just fine, amazing.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
It was very frustrating, and you know, looking back on it,
I think Walter from Jeff Dunham may have been a
better comp because, you know, they looked the same. I
have probably the same personality.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
But I just went told school.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
So let me ask you this, is there any of
the auto pen executive orders that stand out to you?
Is he definitely didn't know what he was doing here?
Are they? I mean, I would imagine there's a trend
in terms of the leftist agenda and how aggressive it
was if you're going to use the auto pen. I
think he's just tired generally. But are you sensing that
there are some of these executive orders that are more

(10:27):
egregious than others?

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Well, the thing that stands out to me is what
the four thousand pardons? You know, there's no way a
guy who can get lost on stage can go through
that many gardens to know what back he's signing? That
to me, that jumps out, David, When go ahead, David,
go and then then you'll forget you know, not forgetting

(10:51):
Hunter getting a you know, basically get out of jail
free card.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, yeah, he sure did. David.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
When did America started start to wag about what what
Joe Biden was and wasn't Was it the debate or
did Americans start saying that even before the debate with Trump?

Speaker 5 (11:08):
You know, I think the go to answer would be
the debate. But frankly, you know, if anybody paying attention,
it was before the election.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
You know how.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Confined he was to the base they used, They played
COVID perfectly, you know, and if I wore a tinfule hat,
what's a better way of, you know, getting a puppet elected?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You know what when he during his administration, I I
we were all we all knew he was a bit absent.
And so the scary part was presidents would I would
imagine that if you were a president, you know, history
is going to remember what you're doing, or at least
try to record it. And so there's a weight of
I want to be remembered in a positive way, in
a positive light, and so your risks politically of what
you'd be willing to risk given that history's recording and

(11:51):
you will be remembered one way or the other. It
might have had a tempering effect on a president and
their decision making. Knowing that that Biden was not at
the helm, I worried that you'd have these people that
the history would never know they could be as cavalier
and as dangerous as they wanted to be. So my
question is when you look at these, when you look

(12:12):
at these executive orders, un even the pardons, But when
we get to some of the issues that he signed
as an executive order, I know some of them were
just reversing things that happened in the bio and the
Trump administration from his first term. Is there anything again,
I go back to this, is there anything out there
that that you don't think if he was the old
Biden would ever put his name.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
To Oh, there are plenty of things. I mean, granted,
he's always been kind of an irascible old man. The
arrogance is always there, but he also is a political
chameleon doing what he thinks other people want want to
have done. But you know is domestic policy of turning

(12:54):
everything over back to foreign countries for energy and things
like that, you know that took just a It made
our country to take a huge step backwards and to me,
for me personally, that was one of the most concerning things.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
David, we're talking with David Manny. He is from the
PJ Media and he wrote an article about the pupa
show that ran America. David, what kind of damage was
done to America under Joe Biden with this auto pen
and he not being all there? And is Trump changing that?
Is he repairing the damage that was done in euro opinion?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Well, I think the damage that was made was Biden
just basically following somebody else's agenda, nodding his head, eating
the cup of pudding, check in a box. And what
really kind of stands out is the dichotomy between Trump
and Biden. You know, right now you've got you know,
you think of it, You've got like somebody on a

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negative ten scale and then even somebody at a five.
You know, you're talking about fifteen points greater. That's a
significant amount of change. But you know Trump isn't a five.
He's more like a ten. So I wonder how much
things are more amplified because it's him undoing what Biden did?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Do you think that that autopen See I always assume
that there's just a lot of Christmas cards and things
that the president would sign that you know, you might
want to may want to look authentic, but he you know,
he wasn't going to sit at a table and sign
all day did you ever know before this scandal, or
before this report came out of how much was signed
by an autopen for President Biden, that important documents, law

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changing documents with the weight of executive orders or pardons
could be done by an autopen. I mean, did you
was that ever possible before? Or we just it was
and we didn't know about it.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
I think it was, but we never know about it.
I remember when I read Chuck Yeger's autobiography, he and
Neil Armstrong were at an event speaking and Armstrong asked
Jeger about all the cards and letters and stuff like that,
and he wanted to use that autopen, but Jeger said,
you have to sign each and every one of them.
I know it's your risk, but it's important to be genuine.

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And that's a case of where an ingenuine person is
making truly ingenuine decisions and just making people lose faith.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
A final note, in a final thought you had in
your article today about the fact that we can endure
a slow leader, but what we can't endure is a
government line about it. And that's what I think the
American people are so disgusted with this is that we
sought with our own eyes. We hurt it with our
own ears. But there were people denying it, and we
knew there were problems, but they continued it and thought

(15:32):
they could get away with a lie, which they did not.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
What really bothers me is again putting my tinfoil hat
on is you know how much of it was sedition,
how much of it was putting their own agenda before
the country, and they have no accountability. To me, that
was probably one of the more frightening aspects of all this,
you know the fact that they could just you know,

(15:58):
we're going to make the sun blue and do an
auto pen.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
David, always great chatting with you. Thank you, great article.
We appreciate a few minutes of your time today.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
I appreciate the time, guys, thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
All right, David Manny he is a writer or a
columnist with Cheap PJ Media talking about the Puppa Show.
And he's right, it's not so much Joe Biden, because
you know, it's the people who we never saw, who
had their own agenda, and Joe Biden had no idea
what was going on with and these are all pardon
they jump in one more time.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Barack Obama's people.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
They are and that's why you know his say, his
saying that the nation, uh, they gave the nation a
performance instead of a president, and I can't I can't
think of a more succinct way of saying it. It
was a performance. It was they had the even the
oval office stuff that was all cameras.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
It was.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
It was a set. It wasn't actually the office, and
so it was a performance. It was never the president.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, all right, Moore, coming up the Rod and Greg
Show with you back together again on this Monday afternoon
as you head home right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one nine KNRS. Well, there were stories recently about what's
going on at UC San Diego. That's because apparently a
lot of the students can't even do what junior high
math anymore. They're him to do remedial math. Well, the

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same issue is confronting reading across America. And joining us
on our newsmaker line to talk more about that is
our guest Rosalind Hanson, she's with Moms for Liberty, wrote
about American children they cannot read.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
What kind of trouble are we in in this situation? Rousslin, Well, I.

Speaker 8 (17:31):
Think that this is an American crisis we really need
to think about this as a security threat. When we
only have thirty one percent of fourth graders, thirty eight
percent of our eighth graders, and thirty five percent of
our twelfth graders reading at or above proficiency levels, we
have a real crisis on our hands in American education.
So thank you for having me on to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
So I'm a recovering public servant. I when I was
a state lawmaker and I was on the Education committee,
the NAPE school or that National Education where's the acronym
the National Assessment of Educational Progress. It was really one
of the only measuring sticks that we had to measure
academic progress state by state and really the country in

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terms of the tests that we're taking in those results.
So when the NAPE scores show that only thirty one
percent of fourth graders are reading at or a proficiency level,
that should terrify us because that is not that that
is kind of our gold standard on how we measure kids.
If you need to learn, if you have to know
how to read by third grade to be able to
learn because you use reading to learn, what is happening

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to these kids? If thirty one percent of fourth graders
aren't or the only or so two thirds are not
reading at grade level. What is happening to these kids?

Speaker 8 (18:48):
I think it comes down to we are we have
a misaligned priority. We've gotten away from academics, we've gotten
away from pronucts, and in particular, I'll use the National
Education Association for example, the any A, the large union,
who is overseeing and directing what some of the initiatives are.
And they're not voting at their conferences to improve the

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NAPE scores or make sure that children who are graduating
are also graduating literate. They're instead focusing on social justice
issues and bringing thinking what to think and not how
to think into the classroom. And that's the course correction
we have. Moms for Liberty are fighting day in and
day out to fix Preslyn.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Greg and I were talking before we were able to
bring you on the air about what our children today
who don't do well when it comes to reading or
missing out. Because we've all had books in our early
years that really made us think, maybe even changed our
lives a little bit. Something we'll always remember about these
books is not what these kids are missing out who
can't read proficiently.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
You're exactly right, and so in the education sphere it's
known now a little bit as declined by nine. The
NAPE is also testing on the joy of reading, and
we've seen consistent decline in children enjoying reading books, and
that comes naturally with the progression of adding in all
of this technology. Even teachers say they want these chromebooks

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for moves in the classroom, they're having a hard time
with the students paying attention and being able to read
full chapters. So we're really depriving these kids of the
joy of reading. And that's the course correction we need
to see happen in classrooms across America.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I got so many questions, I got to pivot to
what the American Library Association is up to. You would
think that this illiteracy would be their first, second, and
third on their to do list every day to try
and improve, given that they're the American Library Association. But
the irony is, instead of making sure that children have
books and they can learn and love to read and
learn from those quiet moments of reading and the books

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that they read, which I think we all can remember
having in our own lives, the American Library Association really
wants explicit books. They want to actually argue about banned
books or books that they think that miners should be
exposed to that I think parents would oppose talk about
their agenda. So while we have all these illiterate kids
runing around, we have an association in the American Library
Association that really doesn't care about that. They've got other

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priorities that I think our listeners will find disturbing.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
Here, absolutely right. The American Library Association is focused on
specific types of content. They're trying to engineer a social
agenda and trying to bring what parents probably would think
our age inappropriate and books that children genuinely aren't interested in.
For our listeners who might have children in the car,
this might be a little bit of a time where

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you might want to change the channel for a second.
I'm sorry to say that, but like one of the
books that has gotten a one hundred and thirty percent
sales increase is a sexually inappropriate book that is promoted
by the American Library Association. So they've gone on a
social justice tirade instead of saying these are the books
that children love time and time again. And it's not

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without recognition that this decline by nine, this joy of
reading that children are lacking now is exactly in line
with the American Library Association's creation of this annual campaign
called Banned Bookweek, where they promote books that kids just
don't want to read. Instead, they push this adult agenda
on our young children.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
The numbers are amazing and you're right about this, Roslin,
along with your co author, the US spends more than
eight hundred and seventy billion dollars a year on education,
more per student than any other country out there, Yet
we rank thirty six when it comes to reading proficiency worldwide.
What does it say about priorities in America today?

Speaker 8 (22:35):
It says that our priorities are out of whack and
it's about time that we get them realigned. In the article, right,
my co author and I talk about let's go back
to basics, and you think about under President Reagan. At
the same time, while the American Library Association started to
push this idea of books being banned, the real censorship
is not being able to read the books that are
already in the library. And so the president then called

(22:57):
on private corporations to part with them get involved in
how to solve the literacy crisis. Then I am a
product of book it. I don't know if either of
you remember that where Pizza Hunt partnered with pools across
the nation and it was wildly successful. Right now, in America,
we have a hunger crisis, we have a literacy crisis,
and so I think it's an opportune time to bring

(23:19):
back this concept of privatized support for solving these key
issues plaguing American children.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Roslyn, thank you so much for making all of us
aware of this. We appreciate the work that you do
and hope to have you back on again. Thank you, Roslin,
Merry Christmas, Mary christ thank you. Roslynd Hanson with Moms
for Liberty talking about American children cannot read and Greg,
it is a point that you and I were talking
about before the break. There are just those books that

(23:47):
we read and really changed our thinking, opened up a
whole new world to us. And if kids aren't finding
those books, they're so they're missing out.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah. I have those books and I can tell you
that I didn't just stumble across them on my own.
I took in seventh grade English. Yeah, we read The
Outsiders and that book was a really important book for
me at that age to read and s he Hinton's classic.
But you can name books and you can think about
the where you know who you were at that time
and how it informed your worldview. And to think that

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we have so many kids well that will never know
any of that, I think it's dangerous. It's it's sad,
and it's it's it's pretty disturbing.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Ver it's sad, all right. More coming up. It is
the Monday afternoon edition of the Rod and Greg Show
right here on Talk Radio one. Oh Fivene can arress.
Over the weekend, the media is looking for anything they
can they can latch on too, to go after Donald Trump.
Now the latest one this weekend or while we are gone.
Several stories out there this week about Donald Trump and
the fact he's slowing down.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
This was such a joke. I couldn't believe I was
reading it in the New York Times. New York Times
is reporting, folks that Donald Trump is starting to feel
the effects of age, and as much as he'd like,
he is slowing.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Down, slowing down.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, of course they don't want know what, yeah, Joe By,
they all want to look at it as MRI. So
today the White House released it. Here's Caroline Levitt explaining
what it showed.

Speaker 9 (25:07):
President Trump's cardiovascular imaging was perfectly normal, no evidence of
arterial narrowing, impairing blood flow, or abnormalities in the heart
or major vessels. The heart chambers are normal in size,
the vessel walls appear smooth and healthy, and there are
no signs of inflammation or clotting. Overall, his cardiovascular system
shows excellent health. His abdominal imaging is also perfectly normal.

(25:32):
All major organs appear very healthy and well profused. Everything
evaluated is functioning within normal limits with no acute or
chronic concerns. In summary, this level of detailed assessment is
standard for an executive physical at President Trump's age and
confirms that he remains in excellent overall health.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know, I think Greg that we should keep the
regime media in our thoughts in prayers because they are
so wrong so often. And hear another example.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
What worries me is I they poll at historic lows
that no one believes them, but they do. I'm telling
you that the regime media still creates the narratives that
we all reply to. We are talking about affordability that
the regime media never wanted to talk about. Affordability when
when inflation was at nine percent with Joe Biden and
they and they were just saying arguing the opposite. You know,
they want to they want to take this third hand

(26:21):
account from about Pete Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth and
make a five alarm fire out of it. It's a
it's a story of a story, yea. And they want
to make it front news. But we're talking here, I
am talking about it. Yeah, so we are the media
gets they get that such a narrative.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
So all right, more coming up Power number two, Ronn
and Greg with you. Did you work your way home?
Right here with Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, Man,
are stay with us. We've got to talk about this
story that Abby. Abby had in the newscast about this
logo for the Olympics in twenty thirty four. Now, I
went off the grid last week. I tried not to
do anything right. I didn't see the logo until you

(26:58):
just showed it to me. And I'm trying to figure
out what it is.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, you are alone, sir, and you're this This is
the word Utah and it is the number twenty thirty
four underneath, but it is in such a it looks
like me. The best I can say, if I were
to say anything positive about it is it's kind of
like flintstone letters because it's just so hard to act,
but it's it's actually difficult to discern. So I thought,

(27:23):
maybe it's one of the what do you call it?
A rorshark test? Could be now they have those ink
blots and you look at blot and then you'd say
what you think it is, and it kind of tells
something about your personality. It might be a ror shark test.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, maybe there's a skier or a skater, or a
hockey player or a bobsledder inside there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So there's another So if that was my second.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Uh, possible at it long enough?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Ever see that the optical illusion that's either two faces
or a vase. And the longer you look at it,
you can see the two faces or you see the vase,
and then you see maybe if I just stare at
this Utah twenty thirty four long enough, I'll see something
else out. It'll be an animal, it'll be something.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
That that's what I'm thinking they're doing.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I'm just I'm squinting you know, sometimes if you blur
your eyes you see something different it is. I mean
the comments on online people just went to like Grock
or the AI things that said just make one and
any of them. There's there's not a version that that
AI can't make in three seconds that that looks more
palatable than whatever it is they came up with here.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
The governor actually had.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
The governor said something about this. What do you say?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
He said, he thinks this logo has united Uton's in
ways that we he never thought possible. And that unity
he's describing is the universal dislike.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well for this, this KU TV poll showed that they
do not like it.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I would like to know what the nineteen percent we're thinking,
because again it might be a worshark test for them
that I think.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I think I can stare at it long enough, you
will see something in there that's for what Maybe you'll
see Brad Wilson's face.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, you know, Brad, My I may be I can't
imagine that that Brad. I know Brad. I don't think
he had anything to do with this. I think by
gun point he was forced to put this on a
poster because I don't get it, and I don't see it.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I just yeah, you have to stare at it.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I'm looking at it right now, and you can't unsee it. Like, oh,
that's what it is. If I shut my eyes, it's
burned into my retinas and I can see it when
my eyes are closed. That's how bad it is. So
if I stare at it and then I shut my eyes,
I can see the outline of it still in my eyeballs.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Maybe that's the idea.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's what's the one heck of a marketing ploy.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Maybe that's the idea to.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Burn your retinas this logo into it.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
All right, let's talk about what happened in Washington. I
think it was last Wednesday where we had two members
of the National Guard I believe they were from West
Virginia on the streets of the nation's capital doing what
the president has asked them to do to make our
nation's capital safer, and they were shot by a man,
an Afghan refugee who lived in Bellingham, Washington, drove all

(29:53):
the way greg across the country to do this. Apparently
stories are out there that he had some mental issues,
but he fired on those two National Guards people. The
twenty twenty one years old twenty years old, shot and
killed the other one, the other member of the guard
fighting for their life, showing some improvement. But you have

(30:16):
to say, Okay, you know now some people are pointing
out Byron York in his column today in the Washington Examiner,
pointed out a couple of things that some of the
rhetoric being pushed by Democrats, like you know, the six
lawmakers who put that stupid video out about disobeying illegal orders,
and then I think, what's her name, Slotnik coming out

(30:37):
and saying, you know, there's going to be violence on
the street soon if we don't get those National Guard
out of our cities. I mean, if if that contributed
to it, Greg, because I tell you what, whatever we've done,
whatever Joe Biden has done, and allowing Afghan people of
Afghanistan into this country without proper vetting could be some

(30:58):
real trouble for the US down the road.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well before the break, before the holiday break, we spoke
about the seditious six, and we talked about when members
of Congress who've been former intelligence or members of the
military are telling broadly and on social media. If you're
a member of the military or of the intelligence community,
you should not obey orders that are illegal. Now, we

(31:21):
had a lot of colors say, well, that's kind of
you're always told that that's there's a chaining command, but
there's as you're you're always supposed to not follow illegal orders.
But here's here's the difference. Every single thing that the
Trump administration does, you have someone on the left will
describe as illegal. And then you have members leaders in Congress,
be at the House or the Senate now encouraging in

(31:41):
a very public way, you know, and that's not just
going to people that are in the intelligence community or
the military, that if you get an illegal order, you're
you're obliged, you're obligated to not follow it. So what
happens when you have this leftist attorney group here that
that that declared that the presence of the National Guard
in DC was in fact, in their mind illegal, and
you have these members the Seditious six telling America that

(32:04):
the military and the intelligence agency are obligated to disobey
any orders that are illegal. There is a constant stream
of narratives telling you that everything that Donald Trump and
that administration is attempting to do right now is illegal.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Illegal.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Remember his own candidacy, according to Democrats when he ran
in twenty twenty four was illegal. They tried to keep
him off the ballot, then went to court. They try
everything he does is illegal. In their mind, he's a
threat to democracy, he's a fascist. So you take a
climate where everything that the left describes him as doing
it being illegal, give this permission. We have your backs,
they say in those videos, we have your back if

(32:40):
you disobey those illegal orders, of which they're they're not.
They will never tell you what any of them are,
or some will say not have been illegal yet, but
that's not what they said in that video. How can
you how can you compartmentalize what happened where this this
these National Guard members are shot at and not ask yourself?
In the climate that we have where everything is illegal

(33:01):
and we can see that they're saying that it is,
and in members of Congress Democrats saying you don't have
to comply and you can you have to disobey those
how can you not think that that informed the attack
on these four members of the National Guard. I don't
think they're done in a vacuum.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
And Americans on the street are in danger because they
could be shot and killed by ice shot and killed
by National Guard. I mean they could be. That's what
they're saying.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Out there, demonize the National Guard.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Now go back to this Afghan who came into the
country when Afghanistan was falling apart, and the Biden administration
did everything they could to bring them to the United States,
claiming they were thoroughly vetted. Let's go back and listen
to what Mayorcis and Jimpsaki had to say about the vetting.
The federal government has been focused on the screening and

(33:44):
vetting of individuals evacuated from Afghanistan. The Department of Homeland
Security remains ever vigilant against attempts by foreign adversaries to
exploit vulnerable populations as a means of gaining access to
the US for various purposes.

Speaker 10 (34:01):
There are, of.

Speaker 11 (34:01):
Course, concerns among lawmakers experts of practice who saying previous
arrivals of large numbers of refugees from different parts of
the world, and that really there may be a handful,
small handful who are eventually deemed a security risk of
some kind. What reassurances can you make about the screening
process and the attempts to make sure that somebody like

(34:24):
that doesn't make his or her way.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Here, I can absolutely assure you that no one is
coming into the United States of America who has not
been through a thorough screening and background check process.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Two come, bald fate lies, great bald face lies. Yes,
because we know they weren't vetted, and we know that
unvetted migrants into this country are a danger to this country.
Yet here we have the Democrats saying, it's fine, these
people helped us in Afghanistan, so we should bring them
to the United States.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And this story is a bit complicated because I'd tell
you that it's insult to injury because the evacuation was
so it failed so miserably. Remember people hanging off the wheels,
falling off the out of the air that were trying
to escape with the plane when they were taking off.
It was chaos. The bombing outside of the airport that
killed members of the military. They they left so hastily

(35:15):
because they had to do it before the nine to
eleven anniversary, because they had a press conference and a
performance to have, so they had to get out of
their fast. The people they brought, we don't know who
they are. The people they left that might have been
actual allies and deserved our protection. It's been spoken of
that we left behind. So a lot of Americans, including
Utah's have there's a movie about this, you know, as

(35:35):
a movie of fiction but based on true stories, where
members of the people in Afghanistan who did side with
the Allies and sided with America at the risk of
their own lives and their family's lives against the Taliban,
they were left and put in harm's way. And there
were Americans and I think even charitable efforts by even
Glenn Beck to try and retrieve people that were in danger.

(35:56):
That was all going on. Biden was bringing people in
we don't know anything about and leaving people behind that
might well have deserved to come to be saved. But
this is what's over the weekend that the Department of
Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nomes said about the people you're
going to bring in, How do we vet someone that
comes from Afghanistan or Somalia or Yemen if they don't

(36:18):
have a government that we can communicate with and that
will share information about the individuals with us.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
See, if they don't.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Have how can you even vet? How can you use
the word vet if you don't have a government that
can tell you anything about the individual from the country
they're coming from, and give you any background about them.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Well, this brings up the question that we want to
talk to you about, because there was an interesting article
that I read came out today talking about as the
US grows more and more diverse and more and more divisive,
so to speak, there's kind of a civil war unfolding
in this country between empathy and sympathy. Yeah, okay, And

(36:55):
I contend that our generosity that we have in this
today and particularly in this state to want to help
out people is causing problems for us. And how do
we control whatever empathy and you have a great definition.
We'll get to that after the break versus sympathy and
is that presenting America? Could that ruin America? If we

(37:18):
don't figure it out your calls, in your comments, We'll
get to that coming up on the Rod and Greg
show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine KNRS. Let's have a discussion about this, Greg, because
I saw this article. I mentioned it before the break
about empathy and the challenge that it presents to a
lot of us nowadays. I mean, there are a lot
of people out there who are now framing empathy, Greg,

(37:41):
And you know, some people say it's a virtue, which
it is, right, but it is is it a vulnerability
when it comes to immigration? Is our generosity, our sympathy,
our empathy? And I know they're all they mean different things,
but are those challenges that I don't want to say
is destroying America but maybe tearing America apart a little bit?

(38:03):
You know, I just thought about this because we are
a very generous people here in this state. We're a
very generous people. I mean, we had the governor years ago,
was our governor one of the governors saying, hey, bring
some of these Afghanistan refugees to our count our state
will take care of them, will help them out.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's actually making there's a lot of social media commentary
about that, that we're one of the red states that
saw a disproportion amount of these refugees in our state.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
But is that desire to help? Do we think about it?
Do we think through this, Greg? And is that causing
us challenges? And I'd love to hear from our listeners
as well. Yeah, and look, this is my take. I
think that empathy is very different than sympathy. Empathy you
when you have either lived through or you have observed
the circumstances of someone else and you understand exactly what

(38:48):
they're going through. Which, by the way, when you understand circumstances,
it doesn't mean you're going to necessarily hug it out,
you might know. My example is when I was working
trying to deal with Operation Real Grant in the homeless situation,
some of the strongest and most powerful counselors were people
that they themselves hit rock bottom, went through hell and back,
and they understood what addiction was, and they understood what

(39:11):
it took to get, you know, to get off of
someone to get back on their feet. And they were tough,
and they would actually say you got to hold people
accounta well, you got to arrest. They weren't trying to
hug it out. They actually had some of the tougher
approaches on how people had to get back on their feet.
They had to hit hot rock bottom to actually make
that turnaround. Empathy is very different, and then you get
to sympathy where that's what I think most people are feeling, Well,

(39:31):
oh this your people trying to escape the most dire circumstances.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Folks. It is just cheap retail. Actually, I think superficial
sympathy to just say we're going to tolerate it or
I'm not going to mind it, and then you get
to check some virtue signaling box. Look how good I am,
because I don't care. I don't get mad at it.
If we as Americans understand how people were allowed into
this country, the illegal ways that they came into this country,

(39:57):
and the NGOs that helped them, we should be very
concerned and we're not racist, and we're not lacking sympathy
to be very concerned about our country, our jobs, our housing,
our public safety being threatened by the extraordinary, illegal, really
hostile way that people have been brought into this country

(40:17):
in mass that under normal circumstances and following the law,
we would not be living through today. So if someone
feels like it's sympathetic to cast a blind eye to
what we're living through right now, you're being sold to
bill of goods. It isn't sympathy. It's the opposite of it,
because people are suffering because of the decisions that were
made and the people that are here that are unvetted

(40:38):
that are dangerous. There's just so many different consequences to
what's happened under this Biden administration, none of which can
we excuse because we want to be sympathetic. Again, if
you really want to lean into something and you want
to make a difference, there's a lot of work that
goes behind it to be empathetic or sympathetic. But to
just say, well, we won't complain or we won't think
negative of it because we want to be better than that,

(41:00):
that's just that's just performative. It's not even real.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well, let's take on I mean, I think everybody, if
you are, are aware of this story. Some may not be.
But you had a case in Minnesota. One billion dollars
one billion that's with a b, folks, was taken away
from Minnesota taxpayers by organizations run by Somalis who came
into this country one billion dollars. Now, are we supposed

(41:25):
to have sympathy or empathy for them because they came
from a war torn country. We welcomed them with open arms.
Only about seventy seven thousand some allies who live in Minnesota.
But one billion dollars is the entire budget for law enforcement.
They're in the state of Minnesota, but they used agencies
that never did what they said they were going to do,

(41:46):
providing food for hungry children, housing people. Never use that money.
They pocketed that money. They ripped us off. Tim Walls, tiny,
Tim up there. You know, I don't know anything about this. Yeah,
and he pivot to go after Trump. But how much
you know? I contend, And it's always been my argument

(42:07):
when it comes to illegal immigrants is yes, we are
a country of immigrants. I disagree with that. Maybe years
ago we were. I don't think we are now. It's
a little bit different now, Greg. But the fact that
they take advantage I think of our generosity. They come
here knowing that the American people care. They want to
help their children get an education, they want to get them,

(42:27):
you know, give them good health care. They want to
give them a place to live and food to eat.
But we're being taken advantage of. And I think that's
what angers people. They're right wrong in that.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Now you're one hundred percent right. And this story has
taken this story out of Minnesota, this billion dollar scam
that is these Smali aid funds that have NGO money
attached to it, they have state funds attached to it.
There are whistleblowers in state government what's funny is that
they're old school Democrats. They're not actually Republicans or someone
that you can accuse of being a right winger, a
maga person. These are old school Democrats that actually believe

(42:58):
that you should fight against odd waste and abuse of
the federal of state funds. It's their job. They were
bringing these they were discovering this fraud with these Somali groups,
bring it to the governor, bringing it to light, and
they were rebuffed and even even silenced. And from what
they were doing, and I'll tell you this, it is
exactly as you say when people found out because this

(43:19):
billion dollars wasn't stolen unbeknownst to anybody. People knew that
money was being was was being misappropriated. But every time
someone wanted to speak up, those groups would accuse them
of racism, They would accuse them of every moral failing
that they would even question where that money was going.
So they used people's you know, sympathy or whatever you

(43:40):
want to call it against them to say, how dare
you if you if you even question how we're using it,
then you have ill intent and you're a racist. And
it actually backed people off successfully for a while and
that's that's the problem with it, is it's being used
as a tool by people that have ill will, ill intent,
and minimally want a fraud, defraud this country if not
changed its institution and foundation as we know it.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
All Right, The question is to our listeners then tonight
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty, say hey Rod,
or leave us a message on our talk back line.
Empathy Is it a virtue or a vulnerability? Eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero, Your calls in
comments coming up on the Rod and Gregg Show. You
have the story in Minnesota where Somali refugees ripped off

(44:24):
that state, hurting children, the elderly to the tune of
one billion dollars. Now, we've had a discussion and want
to hear from you today about this issue of America's
goodness and our generosity, our sympathy for others, our empathy
for others, however you want to use to describe it,
they are different. But is this tearing America? Is it

(44:45):
causing problems for us? And how do we fix it?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, it is a good question, and I think your
point about where people try to say you're racist if
you notice or if you try to do something about it,
or you're not compassionate, or you don't have sympathy or empathy.
Those are just cheap retail terms that they're being used.
But what say you, folks, I'm interested in what your
take is on what we're going through and living through

(45:09):
in real time. Let's go to Craig, who's in orum. Craig,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (45:16):
Hi, thanks for taking my call. Nice to have you
guys back.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Thank you, Thank you. Greig.

Speaker 12 (45:23):
Hey, I just wanted to point something out. You know,
these two news stories that you're both covering tonight have
one common denominator.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
And yeah, we do.

Speaker 12 (45:32):
Have a sympathy problem, especially in this state because we're
Christians here for predominantly and we like to think that,
you know, we want to take care of our brothers
and all. But the problem, as I see it, is
not the country so much. It is long and then
Bridget Gabriel has been talking about this since the seventies.

(45:52):
She survived the destruction in Lebanon where they killed all
the Christians and basically took it over and no one listening.
I think people are starting to wake up, and we
can't talk about it because we have freedom or religion here.
But you know what, they mix like oil and water
with us and it's been fourteen hundred years and nothing's changed.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
That's a very good point, Craig g You're right if
you raise that question greg freedom of religion. You're called
to racist if you disagree or raise issues the way
Craig did.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, and I think there is a common denominator there.
And but I'll tell you what the other common denominator
is is that the governments that these people are coming
from are as the Secretary of Homeland Security Christian Secretary
of Christian point out, how do you vet any individual
where you cannot have any communicator, you don't have any
communication with their government to know any actual details about
the individual. That is not vetting. And that's that is

(46:43):
a problem with these these countries as well. There's not
a they're not they're Samalo, whether it's Somalia, Afghanistan, any
of them. They're not they're not speaking to the United
States or giving any information.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Well, those countries basically don't have government to begin with,
do they cort Now, I mean they aren't keeping records.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
We don't.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
You know, who do you trust over there? Back to
the phones we go, Let's go to Ogden. Hear from
Barrett tonight here on the Rodding Greg Show. Hi Barrett,
how are you.

Speaker 10 (47:08):
Hey? How you doing guys? I'm doing pretty good. There's
a few comments here. I always got to thank you
guys for your service and what you guys do and
recipes ing Bay. I believe it's a vulnerability, you know.
It's what really gets me is that, you know, I'm

(47:28):
a Hispanic, right, and I look like I'm white, right,
but I'm a Hispanic, right. I speak a lot of
Spanish as well, and you know, a lot of people
and my family, you know, the older generation, like for example,
my grandpa would say, it's a damn shame what they're
doing coming over here like that, when it's literally slapping

(47:52):
and spitting in the face of people that went years
and years, if not ten years, to earn their way
to for you, to earn their way to live in
this beautiful, free, wonderful country, last free world on this earth, right.
And then I just want to say, you know that

(48:15):
as far as these Muslims or Israem and all these
Afghans coming through. Look at New York, it is horrible.
I see ICE all over exit, all over the internet,
you know, taking these gang members that are from Venezuela
or whatever, more Hispanics that I see anybody from Islam

(48:36):
getting shipped out. A good example of what you were
talking about about Somalians is you know, look at ill
Han and Omar as well. You know it's a it's
it's a pure Cheria law attack. A jihad is to
attack from within without firing a shot, and that's what
they're doing. And it started with the Obama ill Hand

(48:59):
Omar pledge her allegiance she's Somalia.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
Uh. You can look it up on YouTube.

Speaker 10 (49:05):
You can see the video. She should have been tried
for trees and at that point and kicked out of Congress.
You know, when you pledge your allegiance to a Somalian president,
to Somalia and not the president and you're a member
of Congress, you should have been kicked out right there.
I don't know why ICE isn't in New York deporting
all of these or are checking them and vetting them

(49:28):
and deporting. They're doing prayer champs and tearing down the
flag in New York. It's horrible, you know, And I
think a lot of the American people are losing faith
in the system, faith in and in our leaders because
they're not doing anything about it.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Barrett Well said, we're coming up to a break. We
got to go. But I agree with them. I've I've
been in those naturalization ceremonies and have spoken at those
the Capital onto the a Tona, and they're emotional, and
they're the right way to come in and it is
disrespect for those that follow the law and did it.
And I've been through those ceremonies to see people that
are coming in here on that and illegally and seeing
the impacts having on our country.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
All right, more of your calls coming up here on
the Rodd and Gregg Show when we come back. An
amazing story just posted by Mike Lee on his social
media page about his encounter with a group called Mormon
Women for Ethical Government and Afghan refugees.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Coming to Utah.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Wait till you hear this story from sender Lee, plus
your calls coming up on the Rod and Greg Show.
Let's talk with Todd in Midvale tonight on The Rodd
and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Hey, Todd, how are you.

Speaker 10 (50:30):
How are you doing.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
We're doing well, Thank you.

Speaker 13 (50:34):
I just wanted to hit a base. I think I
understand what you're saying about the empathy. I think we
have an expectation of empathy, or we have an expectation
of sympathy. We need to help out everybody else without
helping out at home first and on the vetting. So
I was in the militaries in the Army for twenty
three years active duty, and I did two tours of
duty in Iraq, one in two thousand and nine to

(50:56):
one twenty twelve convoy operations all through two thousand and nine,
and we would vet our interpreters and we would vet
our helpers extensively to find them, mapping out our bases
for attacks, and one that actually caused an attack and
blew up an mDPO for us while we were on combostic.
The second one we would vet to find them. This
one was even more extensive. And yes, Devin, and of

(51:18):
course they're all named Mohammad, and we would vet them
and move them in and put them in our combo.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Epperts do interpretation for us, and we.

Speaker 13 (51:25):
Would find them unloading them magazines inside the vehicles when
we got into a tick, which is troops in contact,
we wouldn't have the ability to fire back. So the
Afghani people are a nomadic people. They're not organized like
people think they are. There's not really a huge central government.
They move around so much and pick up stakes and

(51:45):
move that it's almost impossible to track them. So any
type of vetting is literally impossible from first hand knowledge.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Well Ton, I want to ask you a real quick
question before what is a vetting process? I mean, how
do you vet somebody? Especially impossible? Especially, I mean is
it impossible? And with with people from Afghanistan.

Speaker 13 (52:10):
It wasn't my actual job for that, but but the
S two section that did the vetting would literally just
go to village elders and then try to talk to
their family and and find out who, if you know,
to trying to make sure they don't have contacts or
connections with al Qaeda or Taliban. But as everybody knows,

(52:31):
and everybody tells everybody, they're taught to hide the truth,
they're taught to lie, they're taught to infiltrate. So you
think everybody around you is telling the truth. And that's
another thing that we have in America. That's that's probably
an expectations. We believe people are telling us the truth
when they come in, and a lot of people on
the left are in venting truths, but they think that

(52:53):
they're they're telling us the truth, when in fact, this
is what they're they're taught to do from infantry, from infancy,
from when they're their their kids. They're taught to lie,
to do what they can to infistrate the infidels and
destroy from within.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Wow, Tod, I love that insight. Kind of scary, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
It really is enough time for another car.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
We've got time.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Let's go to Chris and Spanish work. We're coming up
to a hard break. Chris, what's your take, sir?

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Hey, guys, appreciate your being back back on your show.
Missed you while you were gone. I really appreciated what
Todd just said. I actually was an interrogator over in
Saudi Arabia in the first go for went through a
similar experience where we had to use Kuwaiti interpreters to
perform our interrogations, and we did a number of things

(53:43):
I can't talk about in order to try to vet them.
But it was it was very difficult because we found
out some of those were related to Iraqi's and uh
so we didn't know what they were saying because most
of us weren't. We couldn't speak Arabic, we had other
languages right the other place. And I wanted to make
we don't have an empathy and a sympathy problem. We

(54:03):
have a virtue problem as a whole in this country.
Here's what liberals have been able to do successfully, not
only to Americans, but to members of the Church of
Jesus Christ, the Latter day Saints, where they are out
on the margins or the deficiency or the excess of
a virtue. And Elder Cook talked about this. Any virtue

(54:26):
taken to an extreme becomes a vice. We under the
guise of virtues that are being manipulated and being used
as vices against us. That's how NGOs are operating, That's
how these policy wants are operating. That's where we are now.
And we're made to feel guilty when we try to
set up to say wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Something, Yeah, I'm sorry to cut you off. Chris good,
very good thoughts.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
We got four to say some talk and the story
that Mike Lee shared on his social media page, that's
all coming up our number three of the Rod and
Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
People are suffering from loneliness, Beau, because it's they're only
talking to AI and stuff, and so they I heart once.
It's listeners to know you got a human being out there.
We're humans. Some people ask think I'm not well, you're human.
They think I'm a bit callous. Maybe I'm not.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
You aren't callous. I don't think I'm callous. You're nuts,
but you aren't callous.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Look if you ask my nieces and nephews and their
favorite uncle is, yeah, their favorite uncle. It might have
been born out of terror, as their uncles tease them,
but they I'm the favorite.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yep, and proud of it, right, I'm proud of it.
All right.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
If you're just joining us now, we're going to continue
this discussion with more of your phone calls, your talk
back mensages. You know, does America have a sympathy or
empathy problem? Are we too kind? Are we too generous?
Are we trying too hard to be inclusive at our
own peril?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Here's here's the thing, though, Yes, just saying too kind
too And there's no you're never too kind, there's no
too too much of it. It's just fake okay, it's
like being.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Well, you're saying sympathy is kind of a retail.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
It's a fake. It's it makes you feel better that
you got to say, oh, I care, What did you
do to care?

Speaker 10 (56:07):
Well?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I didn't mind. I didn't protest. I let I let
the destruction happen without complaint. I saw fraud, and I
didn't complain about it because I didn't want to be
considered racist for the people committing the fraud. It's not
it's you know, complaining about fraud that from these somalies
in Minnesota a billion dollars doesn't make you a racist.
It makes you opposed to fraud. Four hundred state employees

(56:29):
in a department of the State of Minnesota knew this,
tried diligently to bring They know, they brought it to
the governor's attention. He wanted nothing to do with it.
And every time they tried to bring it to light,
the Somali groups would accuse them of the worst motives
and and worst moral failings of racism and every and
other things that it would It would, it would quiet them,

(56:51):
it would shut them up.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
And Tim Walls, the expert governor did they have Minnesota
would play later right along with that, and he'd believe
the Somalis. He wouldn't even believe his own people who
are saying, wait a minute, let's take a look at this.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Can you see what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
And he went right along with them, Oh, you're just
being racist.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
You know why? This goes back to this. So this
this caller that we had that's talked about his family
coming to America and following the law and going through
the naturalization process in the in the offense and how
it's not morally upright to to have people go through
such a thorough process which they did, to let people
cast a blind eye to people entering illegally to it's

(57:31):
it's disrespectful to those that followed the law and did
it the right way. Well, you know, he's talking about
what is what is really virtuous. Virtuous is someone who
goes respects your country, follows the laws, and does what
it takes to be a naturalized citizen. It is not
virtuous to cast a blind eye to illegal behavior. So
when it comes to Governor Walls, it's easier for him.

(57:53):
The virtuous thing would be to say no to the
Somali's The virtuous and right thing to do. The ethical
thing to do is to say, no, you can't all
the money from this state. Okay, that is It's a
hard no. It's hard because you're going to be accused
of things that aren't true. But if you were ethical
and virtuous and sympathetic to everyone taxpayers and all those
that pay taxes, and all the good things that those

(58:15):
dollars are meant to go to the elderly, the children,
the sick, the virtuous thing to do is to stop
that fraud. But it's easier to just let it go
and call yourself. We feel sorry, so virtuous for letting
them do it.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
We feel good, we're so blessed in this country that
we want to share those blessings with you. That last
caller and sorry we had to cut them off, was
making some very good points. But I think it was
a general authority of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter day Saints who said virtue to an extreme can
be what very dangerous, the advice can be a vice
right now, and maybe that's what we're going through all right.

(58:49):
I wanted to share Greg this. We've got some talkback comments,
we'll get to those in a minute, but I wanted
to share this story that Mike Lee shared on in
social media today, and here's what he said. Mike said,
back twenty one, what four years ago now, a member
of his staff met with a representative of Mormon Women
for Ethical Government.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Now if that name sounds familiar, that's a group that
drew our congressional maps and says the legislative branch as
per our state constitution.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
But I digress.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Yes, she met with a member of his staff. She
was advocating aggressively for legislation that would help Afghan nationals
to emigrate to the United States and to come to Utah.
And we brought quite a few of them here to
the state of Utah. Explaining the significant safety concerns Mike
rights presented by such legislation, my stafferd told the representative

(59:38):
we know of at least sixty Afghans brought here to
the US without proper vetting as part of the Biden withdrawal,
whose fingerprints were found on bombs meant to kill Americans.
The Maywhig, m Wig or whatever they call it representative
responded by saying, this, we all know its white American

(01:00:00):
nails who are the real threat, not these refugees from afghanist.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
So, yeah, wow, it's it's the white it's a white man.
Yeah wow, rhetoric that they're the real problem in America.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
They're the real problem in America. That story from Utah
Center Mike Lee. So, I don't know that you know,
the media around here, Greg, unfortunately just crawls on their
hands and knees to worship the altar that the Mormon
Women for Ethical Government worshiping.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Well, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
They got to draw.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
They don't why they don't call them out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
So they got to draw plus twenty four percent Kamala
Harris map in Utah and get away with it. So
that gives them some street cred amongst the leftists. Now,
the Solic Tribune has put their communications person as a
board member of their editorial board. So they're you know,
they're in they're kind of in a they're kind of
Hollywood now. They're kind of a big deal in the
leftist circus, and they speak, they speak for all Mormon
women in this state. Not so you take your life

(01:00:56):
in your own hands. If you were to make that
assumption to her, she would she would correct.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And not with the rodeo Queen either. All right, let's
go to our talkback line. Shit what they have to
say as they're listening to the Rod and Gregg Show tonight.
Here's one comment on our talkback line.

Speaker 14 (01:01:09):
Okay, guys, you know that Tim Wallace has everything to
do with this whole issue. So what you need to
do to find him is you need to appeal to
the rat like nature of the people that he has
acquaintances with and offer him some free cheese or money

(01:01:32):
and a lot of it and somebody will rat them out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I guarantee free.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Cheese or money and they'll rat them out. It basically
already has been asny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, he's been out of these state employees really have.
And because they've come out broad enough, so they had
their website they created in twenty twenty two, the department
of their Department of Health and Human Services. I believe
they had a looking at fraud, waste and abuse in
their welfare systems four hundred employees. They started this X
page back in twenty two. It was a Twitter page then,

(01:02:00):
and they've gotten grief for it because they're putting out,
they're pushing out for public consumption the real fraud that
they're coming across well that that site was because of
the attension brought, national attention brought to Minnesota and the
fraud that was shut down by Governor Walls to day
and it just got put back on this afternoon and
there they're what the message is is that we were

(01:02:20):
closed today by the governor. But we've been able to
reopen or restart this our page thanks to a lot
of people whose voices were heard nationally. And I think
that that story had to get to get to it.
They had to get the traction of a national story
for those people that work in Minnesota state employees to
have their voices heard and to not be silenced because
I think they've been for a long time now. They've

(01:02:42):
been trying to point out this fraud and they don't
have a receptive audience, even the legislative auditors that try
to get in here. The Governor Walls told all the
state employees to not speak to the legislative auditors of
that state.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
They were shut down. Wow, this guy, I tell you what.
All right, let's go back to our talk back line is.

Speaker 15 (01:03:00):
Where were the agencies that were supposed to be monitoring
this money and making sure that it was going to
feed the poor little children and all that were they
paid off. I mean, I hate to be conspiratorial, but
if there's something I know about governments, they they they
they loved they said, claimed to love their oversight, and
there were vetting this and get the money just disappears.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Well, they were threatened.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, he's not wrong. There were, there were government sources
that silenced them. There came out of the governor's office
and he didn't want he did not want that far
fraud exposed at all. He was They were completely comfortable
with that money being misappropriated because it was for the
right leftist cause and that's a smallies, even if it
came at the expense of the elderly, the sick or children.

(01:03:45):
They were they were absolutely fine with it. And none
of that that I just described as compassion. One billion
dollars and this story better knock, and even the New.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
York Times is calling out walls and saying this is
responsibility that in the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
New York That is what's been almost dizzying is that
the wall that the New York Times has actually put
serious print and attention to this issue, which usually they're
in they're in cahoots with the left. So I don't
know who they got mad at, but but I think
the attention is absolutely necessary. Is Walts off for re election?

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Do you know? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I don't know either, Or is he he could have
been vice? That's that state elected Jesse Ventura as their
governor repent so you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Yeah, all right, more than Rodd and Greg show coming up.
You're on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine Can
Rus and I'm Rod Urkent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Let's take a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Uh, the President, Stewart Adams, president of the Utah Senate,
will be on the show tomorrow. He'll talk about the legislature,
the legislature's plan in dealing with this whole redistricting decision.
We noticed the campaigning while we were out State's under Nate.
Is it bluing, blowing, blowing, blowing, blowing, blowing.

Speaker 15 (01:04:53):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
He's announced he's going to run and he's got a
fan district a fan. He's got a fan named Bernie Sanders. Folks,
do you remember what I said? I said, this district
is so leftist that Bernie Sanders is going to be
a feather in someone's cap and it's going to be
a king maker in Utah. In red state Utah. Bernie
Sanders is going to be a king maker. He's chosen

(01:05:14):
state Senator Nate Blowing to be the his his pick
to be the member of Congress coming out of this
new district one, which is again I think, I think
that chemistry is just again an indictment on how scammed
up this system really is. That the Mormon women for
Oedegable Government got to draw it, and they didn't do
a very good job either. They drew through people's houses

(01:05:35):
and didn't follow you. City judge had to come back.
The judge, Oh, those are just mining mistakes. We can
fix that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
And Judge Diana Gibson.

Speaker 16 (01:05:43):
Diana Gibson, Yes, this judge Diana Gibson's finding out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I hope someone tells her how we recognize.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Her on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Maybe. I hope she's a listener. If she did, maybe
she'd feel guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Of being a listener on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Word on the Street is when she was told that,
you know, the map she accepted actually don't work, she
looked around the courthouse and said, do you know how
draw maps? I get some master, someone know how. Yeah,
that's that's that's the level we're at right now. Looking
in the work for the judiciary, for anyone that can
make a map, because she picked one that doesn't work.
And here we are anyway, Bernie Sanders in there involved

(01:06:36):
has found a candidate of choice and a very very
liberal district, so liberal that even Ben McAdams, who was
completely prepared to take this and be coronated as the
next member of Congress, is probably too moderate for this district.
I mean, you've got to I still think he wins.
Derek Kitchen, I still think he's in this race. He
needs to think he gets the Democratic domination. I'm watching

(01:06:56):
some chatter on the on the on social media where
the left just think that he didn't vote aggressively enough
or satisfactory in abortion issues, that he was not as
strong on his abortion votes as they would want. And
that's that's probably a guy that was probably trying to
appeal to people of Utah that might not be you know,
strong Republican, but common sense people. And he's probably trying

(01:07:19):
to find some you know bridge. Well that bridge is
not is not going to get you anywhere in this
new district.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Well, and then on top of that, Era told us
his story story this morning during our show call about
Derek Kitchen. Yeah, well apparently is also a candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
He is a candidate, and he's the guy that sued
UH for to allow for gay marriage, which his marriage
didn't last long. I mean the constitutional amendment they overturned
defining a marriage between one man and one woman was
overturned by a federal judge. The marriage didn't last, yeah,
in Utah. And but the but the marriage space did

(01:07:55):
we send flowers cards? And it's just you know, I
guess it didn't. I guess it made the divorce more lead.
You know, So why should why should men? And when
we just have all the fun and divorce court. Well
that's maybe that's the issue. But anyway, he's known for
that as the landmark legislation that legalized gay marriage in Utah.
But anyway, he was a state center, he was a
city council member of sal Lacy before that. He's running

(01:08:18):
and he's all in. And then he found a he
was endorsing some was it a bar or something?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Well, no, he was telling us there's a bru pub
fairly close to his home, right and they hold some
kind of bizarre people can come and sell, you know,
the things that they make kind of a bizarre type thing. Well,
all of a sudden, there was a note with Derek
Kitchen being there but never mentioned who he was or
what he was doing there. Well, the bar found out
said you can't do this here and he had to

(01:08:44):
pull it. Yeah, and the reissue there social media post
and saying, uh, never mind, he's not on there anymore.
So there's some shenanigans going on in the first district already.
Reagan's all is going to get even more interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
A democratic violence beautiful. They're all gonna fight each other.
They're gonna rip on each other for not being left enough.
They're gonna You watch the clown show, this becomes you
were gonna have to be. You're gonna have to make
AOC look conservative to win that seat. You watch It's
it is going, You're it. I think it's going. I
actually support it because I think it emphasizes how big

(01:09:18):
of a farce this entire exercise is. What that what
that election will look like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
If Nate Bluin, yes, is endorsed by Bernie he is Okay,
is AOC far behind in endorsing him as well?

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I would you know? Those two are kind of a
peas in a pod they traveled together, they did a
lot of activities together.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
They do they do a stage show together. Yeah, could
her endorsement be not that far behind?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I'm telling you, And it's uh. And what Ben McAdams
thought is he he thought he had all the apparatus
lined up, and he did. Actually, until they saw the
districts and all of a sudden, all those endorsements from
all those city council saw, like city council members, they
start pulling back, saying no, never mind. And then I
think the d Triple C, the Democrat Congressional Committee, I
think they were all in for Ben, and when they

(01:10:01):
saw the map and saw how many candidates kept forward,
I think they're in a wait and see mode now,
so they've kind of left Ben at the altar, I
think as well. So again, I just think that they've
created such a mess. Even within the Democrat Party, they've
created such a mess. Let's just see how this pey's out.
The people need to have an opportunity to reconsider their
actions and their votes. That fifty point three six percent

(01:10:23):
that voted for Prop four that allowed for this madness
to even get this far, I think needs to be
reconsidered by the people statewide.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
All right, more coming up, final half hour the Rod
and Greg Show on this Monday. Yes, we're back, and
we'll be back tomorrow, next three to four weeks, we'll
be around for you to enjact.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
We brighten people's holiday.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
It's December, December one December. It's a holiday month. Man,
we're gonna be talking. It's time about holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, all right, mare coming up Rod and Greg Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
You act.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
We love the fact that you have our Our digital
numbers are phenomenal and we are talk back comments are
just phenomenal. So thanks, thanks for playing folks.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yeah, We've talked a lot about the divide taking place
within the Democratic Party. Greg, you've got the socialist Democrats,
the established Democrats. I don't know if there are many
of those left anymore, but maybe we'll have to wait
and see. But what about within the Republican Party? Is
there a generational shift taking place within the party on
what is going on? Joining us on our newsmaker line

(01:11:23):
to talk about that is our guest Mike McKenna. We've
had Mike on the show before. A columnist with the
Washington Times, a political strategist. Mike, how are you welcome
back to the Roden greg Show.

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
I'm pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
It's good to be back, Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Let's talk about this radical generational shift that you see
taking place within the Republican Party. Exactly what do you
see going on?

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Mike?

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
Yeah, I think I think the younger folks what I think, right,
what you hear over and over from the younger folks
is they're much more interested in serious problems, right. You know,
they identify that as you know, a culture of the
hostile to to Western civilization. You know, the influx of
Muslim you know, especially Muslim immigrants, and the inability of

(01:12:08):
the government to do anything about it's its own rapacious
appetite for cash. And you know that that's a different
agenda than what even the you know, even what the
President Trump is all about. Right, He's worried about you know, immigrants,
illegal immigrants, mostly from this hemisphere. He doesn't really care
about the deck, right, and you know, you know, the

(01:12:31):
contest between Islam and Christianity is not really big on
his agenda either. You know, these these kids, they look
at kids, sorry, these folks under the age of forty,
you know, they they look at Europe as a cautionary tale, right,
that we're traveling down the same road towards Europe right
where where they're you know, the native population isn't having children,

(01:12:52):
and they're having to import people that rather not import, right,
And you know, Europe is in no way of sustainable operation, right,
and they worry about what the United States is the
state sustainable operations. It's a fair concern, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
You know, and I think you're right. And I have
I have kids in this age group, and they're they're
in their twenties and and I think also this average
age of being able to buy a home being in
your forties is a big problem for our young people.
And they're noticing it and they're talking about it. And
I don't know that we're hearing it as much from
the establishment Republican voices as as we should. Do you

(01:13:26):
see that the economic prospects of our of these young
people being unaddressed by Republicans today.

Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
Yeah, it's yes, Yes, is the short. Sorry, I always
want to always want to go on my long speeches,
but it's good. Yeah, you know, the the and you're right.
The reality of it is is that very few people
in the you know who are in power now are
talking about that. We're talking about really kind of important

(01:13:53):
things like you know, home Depot. Home Deepot just just
opened up a couple of three months ago, opened up
a way to get certifications for plumbers and electricians. Not
you know, it doesn't certify you as a plumber electrician,
but it starts on the past. Right, That's the kind
of thing that typically government does, right. You know, we
do at a community college level, we do it at

(01:14:15):
the state and local level, but it gets done that way.
And the fact that you have home Depot having to
step in here and do something, you know over the
union guys doing it themselves the union halls, you know,
you know kids again, kids, you know, folks between the
ages of twenty and forty. They're not hearing anybody talk
about their problems. They're not hearing anybody talk about how
they imagine their world's going to look in the next

(01:14:36):
forty years. And I it's a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
And you know, sorry, no, let me ask you this
because you talk about this Nick flent Is in this
story and I look, I will admit I'm an old head.
I'm fifty six. I haven't been following this kids every
word and I don't fall them. But I did see
a clip it was from a time when Charlie Kirk
was still alive where he was really critical of Charlie
Kirk and saying he had infiltrated uh Turning Point USA

(01:15:02):
with his people, and he was just dropping the F
bombs it seems. So it didn't seem like a serious
person to me. In fact, I was a bit offended
by the tone and everything he was saying full of bravado.
So I kind of put him in this category of
like that guy. That kid's just he needs to grow up.
And it's great he has a following, but I don't
I don't get it, and I don't want to get it.
But I keep hearing his name coming up. And you're
seeing a lot of political consequence from Tucker Carlson having

(01:15:23):
interviewed this this young man. What is his story? Is
he someone that I should be taking more seriously?

Speaker 15 (01:15:30):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
The the the answer in all normal discourse would be no.
I mean, you know, the moron level is fairly high.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
That's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
But the thing is is that he talks about things
that that that the unfolks care about and they aren't
getting it from other places, right, and nobody, nobody is
talking about the civilizational stuff. With the possible exception you
get JD. Vance occasionally gets into that conversation. But you know,
if you're thirsty, you know, every liquid starts looking like

(01:16:04):
water to you. And that's the problem with a guy
like Nick Telente. Then that's why I wrote the column,
right because I'm like, look, this guy cannot cannot be
the only voice that generation here is talking about their
actual concerns. We need to get other voices in there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yep, Mike, you just mentioned JD. Vance's other than Vance.
Is there anyone within the Republican Party right now who
this generation can kind of identify with or can get behind?
Do you see anybody there yet?

Speaker 7 (01:16:30):
Mike, No, I hate to say that. You know, the
closest I can think of is Secretary of Rubio right
over at State. I think he certainly gets the civilizational challenge.
He's certainly an American success story. But you know the
problem is his day job is Secretary of State, which

(01:16:53):
means you don't get a lot of a lot of
time to Yeah, yeah, yeah, right right, He's got all
those other gigs, so he doesn't have a lot of
time to actually talk about him and stuff because he
spends his whole time, like the rest of us, talking
about his job.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
So I think Mike mckennon's a voice. I think we
have to get you on the show more to talk
about this, because really, you're talking about the things that
my kids are talking about. And I really do believe
that it's not lazy kids and entitled kids we're talking about.
We're talking about ones that actually care about the deeper
stuff you're talking about that you're mentioning that aren't that
We've got to get to do a better job.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Of, Mike you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Is it fair to say there's some similarities between what
the Democratic Party is going through and what the Republican
Party is going through. You've got young people in both
parties who are saying, wait, man, this establishment thing is
working for us.

Speaker 6 (01:17:35):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:17:35):
Yes, And that's that's a really good insight, yes, because
in neither instance are folks talking to what the young Again,
to young people, you know, twenty to forty or fifteen
to forty, right, are what they're worried about? Right? And
you know, some of the some of the some of
the concerns are basic and fundamental. Where am I going
to live? What job am I going to have? Is
they go to destroy my life? Some of the societal

(01:17:57):
and cultural Am I going to have a country? Are
we going to have it again? Are we gonna have
places to work?

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
Do I need to worry about immigration, you know, doing
some damage to me like it's done in the Europeans.
But young people are concerned, right, they just are. You know,
you forget what it is to be young. There's a
lot of questions unanswered in your life, and and politics
just doesn't speak to it at all nowadays, you know.
And I got I got three kids in the targets

(01:18:23):
on myself, you know, And this is sort of what
I started. We started talking to each other about about
Nick a couple of weeks that Nick went is a
couple of weeks ago. And you know, my boys, especially
just like you know, this thing with him and Tucker,
who cares it's nonsense, but you know that the things
they're talking about, those are important.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Interesting. Mike has always right having me on the show.
I know we'll have you back, but we appreciate your
time now.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
Thank you, Mike, Thanks guys, I appreciate it all.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
That is Mike McKenna, collumnist at the Washington Times, and
also a political strategy just makes a lot of sense.
You can see kind of some of that. There's an
underc of I don't want to say anger, but distrust,
feeling a little fear maybe within both parties right now,
and it's coming from that younger generation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
I'm going to tell you. There is a clip of
Charlie Kirk speaking with Tucker Carlson where he brings up
the concerns he's hearing on campus, and he brings up
the financial prospects, and he's talking about kids and these
aren't the entitled, lazy ones. He's talking about the real
they're they're looking at their economic prospects. And Tucker is
just shocked by this, and he says, college kids are
talking about when to buy a home and mortgages. That's

(01:19:31):
not what college kids talk about. And this was all
news to him. And Tucker's got kids too, but he
it was easy to see, quick to see that this
is an entire debate that he has not been privy to.
That Tucker Carlson has not been privy to that. Charlie
Kirk had heard a lot and I think if Charlie
Kirk was still with us, we would be hearing more
about this of the young people's concerns and that we'd

(01:19:54):
be being addressed a little closer, because I do think
that they are not. I think he's I think Mike trite,
and I think that we've got to we better start
talking about some of the things that are impacting these
kids' lives, as there are young adults and they're going
to be our voting class here very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
When we come back, I'll share a new survey about
what that younger generation today thinks of college.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
You'll be surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
That's coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five Dying kN r S.
Great to be with you as it is each and
every day on Talk Radio one oh five nine can
arrest Jesse Kelly heats back. Yeah, and he'll be back
with us coming up at seven o'clock following our news
update at the top of the hour. Now, Greg, before
the break, we were talking with Mike McKenna about this
generational shift that is taking place not only in the

(01:20:37):
Democratic Party but also in the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Yes, yes, it's verifiable.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Well, there's a new survey out that I don't think
this surprises anybody, but apparently, according to this NBC poll,
Americans have grown sour on the longtime key ingreedient of
the American dream, a college degree. Yes, many Americans are
now saying it isn't worth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
The cost, and they would be correct in my line. Yeah,
and this is a guy that's paying tuition for kids too.
And I'm telling you now that the debt the kids,
and you tell we have a pretty large tuition is
maybe literally maybe twenty five to thirty percent what everyone's
paying around the country for college, and that's including state
institutions of higher learning. But what you're equipped with when

(01:21:23):
you graduate from college versus an income you can make
to pay the college and the student debts and make
a living, it's not really lining up very well in
today's world.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Well, here's some of the numbers, just to take a
look at it. Thirty three percent agree a four year
college degree is worth the cost because people have a
better chance to get a good job and earn money
over their lifetime. Sixty three percent agree more with the
concept that is not worth the cost because people often
graduate without specific job skills. Amen to that and with

(01:21:54):
a large amount of debt to pay it off.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Yep, it's I think that. I think think the future
is the brightest for young people who have a good
work ethic, who have communication skills, who are emotionally intelligent,
and really even whether it's the trades, whether it's whatever
it is, it's in the late you know, whether it's
whatever it is. If you have a network ethic and

(01:22:17):
you have communication skills and you're ready to work, I
think you can find work because I don't think a
lot of people. I think they they're kind of missing
some of those ingredients in the emerging workforce.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Well what scares me about that? Greg, and we talked
about this earlier. American children can't read. Yeah, that first
hour you expect to be successful if you cannot read.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
The National Assessment of Educational Progress to NAPE scores is
that is the gold standard. That's how we judge every
kid in every state because states have different tests. That
the NAPE scores are what matters. Thirty one percent of
fourth graders are only thirty one percent of fourth graders
are reading proficient. That is a recipe for disaster for
future generations. I mean that just can't stand at that

(01:22:59):
low of a percent.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Yeah, it's kind of frightening, all right, Uh mister nineteen eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yes, by requ decade.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
I have a question for you. You're ready for this the best.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Can you name the song that MTV used in nineteen
eighty one to kick off MTV?

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
What was it?

Speaker 7 (01:23:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
It was sting did it? And it was dire straits.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
No no, no, no, no, no no. Oh you are
so wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Oh no he did. He did the I Want My MTV.
But that wasn't their their rock song. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Video killed the radio star. Okay, you're right, I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I was so proud of my answer, and my answer.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Was totally wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
You saw you were that song that's for money for nothing,
that that dire straight.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Song was a great song.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
I Want my TV MTV. That was That was well
more than four decades later. The channel, now owned by
the US media giant a paramount sky Dance, will wind
down MTV internationally by shutting it down at the end
of the year. Music channels will stop broadcasting at the
end of the in France, Germany, Poland, Australia, Brazil and

(01:24:03):
the UK.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
I think the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Early seventh grade when they went it debuted and I
remember it. I remember how big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Well, it's a big deal for Yeah, do they even
do music videos anymore? Denny would know that, Denny. Do
they do music videos anymore?

Speaker 12 (01:24:16):
They?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Yes, I know they don't watch.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Them, but I don't either. But the MTV stopped doing
music videos. They start putting programming on the show. But
there is a channel that's nothing but MTV videos.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
You can watch. Yeah, yeah, you can see it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
No, that was such a part. You want if you
heard a song you liked, you want to see the video.
The next step was to see that what kind of
video they came up with?

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
But well, apparently they're going to shut it down in Europe,
in Europe internationally, not here yet, but.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Well worthy to have MTV anyway. I can't even believe
we let them see it. I would have banned it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
We should have.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
It's been great being back together, and that's right, joining
you on your way home tonight. As we say each
and every night, head up, shoulders back, Thank God, bless
you and your family, this great, great country of ours.
Jesse Kelly is next. We're back tomorrow at four

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