The Rod and Greg Show: Questions Democrats Must Answer; Portland is a Hellhole; Stopping Political Violence

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
It was quite sodgy, saugy weekend Sunday. It started draft
a little.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of a nice weekend to chill.
Goodn't do any yard work, couldn't play golf on Saturday.
Now it's a little too wet, so it's kind of nice.
Slow down, man, have we got a show for you today?
The world just keeps spinning. It sometimes seems like out
of control to you. To me, Greg, I don't know
about you well, but everything is just upside down anymore
in this in this world of ours, I'm hot, I

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tell you right now this.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I've been trying to avoid this topic because I just
want to keep it professional on the show.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I can't be a swear bear. I gotta be professional.
But I am so angry that the judiciary has forced
our legislative branch to go back and redraw maps and
then they pick one of the three, which they're given
fifteen seconds to do. By the way, by this judge,
she held that case for nine months, huh, and gave
them weeks, which usually takes a redistricting process months and

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months of public hearings going around the state. Gave them
weeks to come up with these maps. Now that they
finally voted on one today, as reported by Avonel, they
have to now go back to that judge in the
courtroom and proffer their work and says, let's say a branch,
may we have your blessing?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Please tell us as a separate, equal branch, may we proceed,
even though the state constitution gives them the clear authority
to do it. It's all. It's the judges world and the
legislature's living in it. In it and by the way,
you want to know what the word fair means more
democrat waited more for Democrats. Every single district gives these
micro minority Democrats who are not even forty sixty forty

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in our state, gives them a disproportionate representation because who
did it. The left funded the ballot and initiative. The
judiciary is activist and so fairness, so you know, folks,
means Democrats have to have a disproportionate chance and heavier
weighting in every one of these districts. There's only thirteen

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percent Democrats in this whole state.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
In the entire state, thirteen percent of registered votevoters are
a Democrat. That's right in this state today. Yet they
want equal and fair. Yeah, well that's what it is,
all right, thirteen percent, you get thirteen percent of the
voters in that district.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
And they really did it to themselves because they tried
to get tricky in twenty by saying to the Democrats
registers Republicans, Well, I'm staring at your voter registration here
in the state of Utah voter registered voters. Fifty five
point five percent of registered voters in Utah registers Republican,
twelve point eight percent registers Democrats.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
But this judge.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
But again they have to go to the judge and
ask the judges permission. I think this is such an
affront to the separate and equal branch of government we
call our legislative branch. I hate it. They're like, which
map you like? Well, it's like asking me which pile
of my dogs? You know, you know, lawn sausage I
like the best, because I don't like any of it.
So when when do they have go for the judge?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I don't know. When she beckons them to her, Yes,
I guess for her voting. I have no idea. Yeah, well,
you know our opinions on this. We'll get to more
of that in a few minutes. Also coming out up
in this hour of the show, I love this guy
Shiroki will join us. We've had guy on the show before.
It's getting become a regular because it's so good good.
But he says he had some questions that I think
Democrats must answer. Amen to that. Amen to that. Also,

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Kevin McCollough will join us a little bit later on.
We'll talk about the hell hole that we now call Portland, Oregon.
Now what a mess that place is turning out to be.
So we've got a lot to get to today. As always,
we invite you to be a part of the program.
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second comment all right back to the lawmakers. If I
were if I, if I were Mike Schulz and Stuart Adams,
I would be so po oed at what is taking place.

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I don't know how they're controlling their anger, be real honest,
because why don't they have a demonstration in front of
the judges office.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I'll tell you that. Look, I so I know that
I know they're highly frustrated with this. I know that
they are. In fact, you had two senators I think
that just voted in protest of the whole process, Enator
Dan McKay Senator Heidi Baldery in Republican district Utah County.
They didn't vote yes because it is again an affront.
They're just so mad that they have to go They've
been commanded by the judiciary, this judicial branch to go

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back and redraw their maps. Uh, none of which are
the way they went through the public process before, and
now they have to pick one and then go back
to the judges say well, this work, may we may
we as a legislative branch proceed from here. We got
four Republican members of Congress who are waiting to find
out who they represent, because right now it's up in
the air. Nobody knows until a judge decides, Okay, what

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if she rejects this map, she gets to draw her own.
Where does it go from there?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Just draws it? Can she pick some of the others
she can put do. The Democrats and this Better Boundary Commission,
I tell you what a joke this organization is. But
do they go back and say, no, we like that
one better judge. Well we'll go along with that, would judge.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
So here's the irony of it all. They said, you know,
you split up Salt Lake City too much, and that
was not right. By the way, the philosophy as I
was there, and it's a continued philosophy, which is a
good one. When you don't have a lot of members
of Congress, when you only have four, you want each
one of those to have an urban, suburban, and rural constituency.
They answer to all three because rural could use four
members of Congress and issues and our rural economy is

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as important to Utah as are as it is along
the waht Etch Front, So it's good to have four
and that is appropriate. Now, they said that wasn't fair.
Do you know that the Democrats and this Better Boundaries
the map they proffered split counties and cities up into
thirteen different seas and counties were split up in their
so called fair map.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
You know what fair means.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
They want to pack every Democrat into one congressional district
to guarantee themselves one seat out of four in Utah.
That's fair. Did you know that that was the definition
of the word fair.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, that's it. Well, don't they want a donut hole? Yep,
they want the donahall. They just want the donut hole.
But they want Donah hole would be Salt Lake County
or Salt Lake City and probably Summit County Park City.
That'd be the That'd be their donut hole because that's
where the Democrats reside in this state. That's what they want.
Let's go back to the numbers.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Out of one point eight million registered voters in the
state of Utah, twelve point eight percent affiliated is Democrats,
and they want they want twenty five percent of the
representation out of this state. They want they want a
whole congressional district that's just dark dark blue. That's jerry mandery. Okay,
that's what that's called. And that's but look, I you know,

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in twenty eighteen, there's this ballot measure passed and I'm
sure that they and it didn't have any money in opposition,
and it passed by fifty point thirty six percent.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Of the state's vote.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, on the way of Salt Lake City and Salty
County Democrats voting for it, passed by less than one percent,
with no opposition, no organized campaign against it. People could
just smell that this thing wasn't right. Well, whoever did
vote for it, did they know that the word fair
meant Democrat.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
That's what it meant.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
And and it's not even a theory because you look
at all the maps they are pushing out, It's exactly
what they meant. Because the people that put that together
and voted had it voted on an eighteen. The maps
they're creating, WAILA gives them one solid Democrat seat gifted
to them out of a state that is so red.
They have no business getting one out of one out
of the four seats unless they do what Ben McAdams

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did and win it, which just.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Happened not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Did you know we had we had Wayne Owens, we
had Bill Orton, We've had Democrat members of Congress.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You get it. But you know what they are.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
They're they're like blue dogs. They're kind of conservative, but
they're they represent our state. They don't want that. They
want some rock ribbed socialist from the heart of Salt
Lake City to represent the state of Utah. And I'm
telling you, one cancels out the other, so we'll basically
have two members, two out of four hundred and thirty
five as a state, because one would cancel out the

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other and then we'd have two more. Come on, there's
nothing fair about that, do you.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Think, Greg, Do you honestly believe that Utah will get
anything from the federal government because we have one Democrat? No? No, no,
it's not going to happen. All the National Party wants
is a vote.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, because they're one or two shy, so they'll take
it anywhere they.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Can take it. And do you think they're going you
vote for us? Will give you? They could care less
the Democratic Party about Utah.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
And this is what our audience needs to really absorb it,
because this is what you should share with I think
should be shared a little more broadly for people. Don't
look at this myopically it's just a UTI ishe because
it's not. The people that funded this back in twenty
eighteen are the same ones that have been trying to
mess around. This is airic Holder and Obama.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
And that's what better boundaries is by the way, yep.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
They've been messing around, and it Soros. They've been doing
this in other states. Texas isn't being told by a
judge how to redistrict their legislature is. Florida is not
being told by a judge what to do. Their legislature
is doing it. Ohio is doing it as per their
legislative body. Missouri is a Republican state. They're doing it
by their legislat Buddy, Utah, we don't get.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
To California's doing it, aren't they. Yeah, by now the
legislative bid by their legislative body.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So amazingly, we in the state of Utah have to
have a judge, an unelected judge. Tell me something about
a judge. Next time you go to our attention election,
tell me who they are and what you know about him.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I'll tell you what it is. Nothing.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And this lady gets to decide all of it, not
the people you elected to go to the legislature or
the state legislature.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
She does. She decides a little bit later on the show,
State Representative Candideth Perucci will be joining us. She's been
heavily involved in all of this. We'll talk to her.
We've got a lot more to get to. It's great
to have you with us on this Monday afternoon as
you head home with Utah's Talk Radio one O five
nine knrs. We do not believe a story we saw
on the Wall Street Journal just a few moments ago
that the President says he is doing some negotiation with

(09:49):
the Democrats on health care subsidies to bring the government back. Please,
mister Trump, I stand your ground on this one. Do
not go to the people. Do not.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think I think clean sea are they coined the phrase?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
We had to just to hold to it.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Okay, But what we have right now is we have
joining us. I think we can almost call him. Can't
we call him a regular?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Now?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Is he one of our guys, part of the crew. No,
that's all right, Well my check, it's iHeart. Whatever whatever
he demands, we we do. Guy Shiraki joining us.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
He is a He works for a think tank out
of out of Pennsylvania, Calumnists for broad and Liberty. Guy,
welcome to the Run and Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I second that.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
As I will, sir. I'm your guy, I'm your soldier.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
That's right. I trust you. I trust you. Get those
guys that I heart to work up some money.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's right, he's your agent, he's your so guy.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Look great, great, great, calm questions that Democrats need to answer.
You're really good at taking things that might go over
our heads, Pete. Things the way we've been treated as
Republicans by the Democrats in the past. Things they never
get called on the carpet for today. Uh, maybe you
can share the our listeners. What are some of the
good questions that they should be asked and expected to answer.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Sure, it's particularly living in a state that's been a
swing state for years. Republicans were asked to answer questions
anytime any Democrat in the country or a Republican did something,
So we are asked to answer all the time. You know,
you're not like those Republicans. But the reality is what's
happening in the Democratic Party. It's no longer AOC. You know,

(11:27):
AOC may have been an outlier five years ago, she's
now mainstream. So you know, in what may be your
upcoming election for a congressional seat in Utah, I hope not,
but I think it's time we started asking Democrats questions.
And I think we begin with the headlines of this weekend.
As everyone now knows. The Democratic nominee for Attorney General

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of Virginia texted texted that he wanted to put two
bullets in the head of the then Speaker of the House,
Greg something that should be near and dear to your
heart and shock you to your core. He then proceeded
to say, when his friend expressed outrage at this, that
you know, perhaps the children need it to suffer, because

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that's when you really get somebody's attention. This is a
grown of belf This isn't something he did as a child.
There's something he did as a teenager. This is something
he did while a legislator, texting another legislator, the man
is running to be the attorney general of the state
of Virginia. And he said that he would like to
assassinate a Republican legislator and he'd like to kill his

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children because the parents need to suffer. And you know
what's happened so far, Rod and Greg, you know what's
happened so far. Nine county parties in Virginia have sent
out statements saying they stand by him and urge him
to fight on because he's the victim of Republican gains.
And so I would ask any Democrat running for office

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this fall, do you think that Jay Jones should step
down as the republic as the Democratic nominee. Do you
think it's wrong you do you agree that it's wrong
to threaten to assassinate your political opponents? Do you think
it's wrong to threaten their children? And look, we may
scoff at that, but folks, nine county Democratic parties in

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Virginia have stepped forward to say this guy should stay
in the race, that he really should go on to
become the attorney general. How would you like to be
a parent? How would you like to be a politician
in Virginia? And know that So, I think every Democrat
in the nation should answer this question on the heels
of the tragedy. You've suffered more than all of us.

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We are with weeks away from the tragedy of Charlie Kirk,
where many Democrats either ignored it or answered yes. But
so I want him to answer about the attorney general
candidate in Virginia, and I want a clear answer on
Charlie Kirk. Was it wrong to assassinate a young man
because he wanted to hold a debate? And I'm sorry,
we're asking the basic questions, but so many Democrats that

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being capable of it, we need to start demanding answers.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Bob, wait a bit a guy. The guy in Virginia apologized,
he said, I'm sorry. I shot a text to the
speaker apologizing and saying I'm sorry. Isn't that enough? Guy?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I think if you misspeaking the I think if you
misspeak in the heat of the moment. I think when
you threaten to kill someone and then kill their children
and you want to be attorney general, it's disqualifying. Look, look, guys,
you know there was a time in our country where
out of shame, out of respect, he not only would apologize,
he would apologize publicly and he would voluntarily step down

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because no one would have the audacity to say what
he said about murdering someone and then seek the office
of attorney general. Now the apology is not enough because
again I sense it's one of those apologies, it's I'm
sorry that you caught me. It's not as sincere, because
if he was sincere, he would step aside because he
knows he won't have the trust of many people in

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Virginia or the nation to run forward. And these are
the questions because we've been forced to ask it. It's
about assassinations. And look, it's all of the stuff of
science and gender we've been asked to put up with.
We've been asked to understand. We've been asked to understand
that men should use women's locker rooms. The men sentenced
to prison can say they're women and then be sentenced.

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I mean, look at the insanity around Justice Capitol. The
fellow who pled guilty to trying to plan to kill
a sitting Supreme Court justice got a softer sentence because
he now claims that he's a woman, and the judge
felt sympathy because he really belongs in a female prison.
But the judge didn't have the ability to do that.
And again we ask our fellow Democrats, do you think

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men should be sentenced to women's prisons? Look, these are
very basic questions of seventy eighty percent of Americans know
the answer to. But I'm waiting for Democrats to step
forward and say enough is enough. So you have to
ask in these basic questions. As I say about the
fella in Virginia, I don't care what his policy is
on rehabilitating criminals. I don't want to care what his

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policy is on insider trading. If you think you should
assassinate your political opponent, it's a disqualifier. And so for
many of these issues that they've taken where eighty percent
of Americans think they're wrong, our local Democrats with they're
in Utah, Pennsylvania, California, and Missouri, they need to answer
these questions. Are you different than the crazy people we
see on TV? Otherwise I have no time for you.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And being part of the anti murder coalition or caucus
should be a should be a giant caucus of every
freethinking person. Now, but let me just let me just
even go a little bit deeper. Whoever he was texting
with wasn't actually okay with hol Brazen, Like, I wish
I could put two bullets in that speaker's head.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I would do it.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I would do it and li liken them to Hitler
and pol Pot or something like that. The person responding
back said, Hey, you know, I don't like what you're saying.
That's when he elaborates and says he'd kill his children.
And he says in the text only when people feel
pain do they move on policy.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
So let's get to the policy.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
This guy would you want as your attorney general someone's
whose belief is only when I can inflict pain. Are
people going to move on the policies that I believe in?
I actually think there is something even paulicy. It's indefensible
what he said, But then when you hear him try
to rationalize it, it gets even darker, don't you think?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
No?

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I think that's it's an excellent insight. Look again, you
and we've talked on prior shows where again I backpay,
so Greg, make sure you mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Taking notes right now.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Look, we talked about the Democrats, and two of the characters,
you know, they're deadly sins. I mean, the first one's
arrogance and the second one is violence. The reason that
nine Democratic parties in Virginia, the reason that his running
mate running for governor and his running mate running to
liutenant government have all rallied to his defense, is because
they hunger for power. They're arrogant and believing that their

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view of the world is right and deep down, so
many of them. Again, maybe not your next door neighbor
who's a Democrat, but these folks running for office, they
truly believe that violence is an option because they're right
and you're right, Craig. He says, you have to do
this because you have to ultimately persuade people. You and
I and Rod. You have a whole talk show built
around the idea of exchanging ideas. People call and people

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write people texts. It's exchange of ideas. No one thinks
the way you get people to pursue in the United
States of America. You don't change people's mind by shooting
them to death or killing their children. And you have
to be a sociopath. Not only should you not be
the attorney general of any state in this nation, you
should not be holding any office, and you should be
you should be shamed the way we used to in

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this country for bad behavior. But it's unfortunate. So now
you can apologize to our Democrats again, whether they're in Utah, Pennsylvania,
or Missouri. But you say, I'm sorry, But I have
to ask you. You don't believe in assassinating me if
I'm running against you. You don't believe assassinating my children.
And by the way, all this other cultural madness, you
don't really believe that do You really don't believe that

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men should be in women's locker rooms, that men should
be playing girls sports that men can get pregnant. I mean,
let's get on and debate things like what tax policy
should be, our national energy policy, how we secure the border.
But I'm sorry, I can't get to those things if
you think I should be killed or you won't need
to embrace things.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Justify logic, yep, and we reject aid for sure. But
after two, guy is always great chatting with you. Will
the checks in the mail as I say, all right,
I got your back, guy, I'm there for you, brother.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
I appreciate it. I appreciate it. You have a good night,
and hey, fight that fight on reapportionment. Pennsylvania was the
first state that arak holder came after, So fight that fight.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Then you know the story. You know what we're dealing
with here. We will all right, thank you guys for
Rocky joining us, mare coming up on the Rotten Gregg Show.
The President in the battle he faces with these progressive
city mayors in Chicago and Portland, even in California with
gruesome Newsom. I mean, it just keeps going on and on.
And what is going on in Portland is you know,

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it used to be a beautiful city and it probably
still is. There are sections of it though, that are
facing these Antifa rioters against Ice Greg and I mean
it is just sad as to what's going on in
that city.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, it goes to our last interview. Democrats the left,
they are the party of violence. You can't get around this,
and don't tell me it's both sides. Give me the
equivalent of Antifa today right now? There is none, and
there never was. I don't care what anyone says. There
has never been this equivalency that they keep trying to
point to and excuse. And it goes back to something

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as simple as do you support murder? If they say
I don't, but as soon as they say, but that's
what they really think.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, Kevin mccaulough, he is a nationally syndicated host and podcaster. Kevin,
thanks for joining us. You have called Portland a hell hole.
What's going on up there? Nothing good, that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
And I think that, you know, you got to feel
for someone who just wants to use the position and
the platform and the power that they have to make
life better for people, only to have others say no,
we're not going to let you make life better for people.
And I kind of feel like that Donald Trump is
uniquely kind of persecuted in the way in which he

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wants to do exactly that. You know, presidents have come
and gone when there's been violence in American cities, and
I don't know any of them that have lost any
sleep about a lot of it. And he looks at
he looks at war, he looks at violence, he looks
at criminality across the world, and he says, what can
I do to make a difference. And then when you're

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kind of sitting you know Jux's position of Portland and
everything that's kind of parading about up there, and you
see the difference that has been made in Washington, d C.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
And how people.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
Who live even in formally really bad crime riden neighborhoods
can now go out for a late night walk and
not be afraid of getting shot, murdered, robbed, raped. It's
kind of an amazing thing that he's pulled off. And
I think there's just a big piece of his heart
that goes, I want to do this for everybody.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Why can't I do this for more people?

Speaker 6 (21:56):
And yes, judges have said that for now his using
the National Guard in Portland is not going to bellowed.
I think it will be appealed. It probably will be overturned.
But I think in the meantime, the people of Portland
are the ones who lose, and they lose because their
mayor and their governor insist upon.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Keeping them in the hell hole that they're living in.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know, this has actually spread to Chicago. You've seen
this in the crazy comments from the from the mayor
of Chicago saying that they're going to be an ice
free zone and they're going to that the federal laws
apparently don't apply there in the supremacy clause of the Constitution,
I guess doesn't exist anymore according to the mayor of Chicago.
But let me ask you this. We've had JFK who's
deployed National Guard troops. LBJ did the same for issues

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that I weren't as direct or didn't have I think
as strong of a federal nexus when it comes to
ice and how they're where they need the help and
where the execution of enforcing federal laws does justify the
National Guard. How I mean, what's the basis for saying
they can't be there? Because you've had presidents that have
done it before, and then you have in this case

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where it does have the federal nexus related to ice.
What's the rationale that they're even using to keep them away.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
I'm not sure that there is any that's explainable. And
you know, this puts the Democrats in a very odd
position for twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six. There's
not a lot of elections this year, but a year
from now there are, and what Democrats are going to
find themselves having to do is defend themselves in commercials
where their opponents are going to say, you guys wanted

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to bring more crime to our streets, you wanted more
people to get killed, you wanted more violence to occur
in broad daylight. And they're not going to be left
with a leg to stand on because every time somebody
has turned to help them, they said, no, we don't
need any help. I mean, you know, I know that
the mayor of Chicago thinks that only having six people
shot and killed on a weekend as opposed to twenty

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one is a good weekend for them. But look at
New York, who has you know, ten times the population
and the much much lower rate of crime. What you
end up seeing is that there are some of these
mayors and governors that just really couldn't give a damn
about the people that they're responsible for. And I think
if anything is incumbent upon a publicly elected official at

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a at a chief executive level, whether it's a mayor
or a governor or a president, is to keep their
people safe. And these guys that they are such clown
shows that they literally would rather lose people to the
violence than do something about it.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Kevin, what kind of a message are these mayors? And
I really think the National Democratic what kind of a
message are they sending to arrest of America by what
they're doing here and protecting the criminals and going after police.
What kind of a message is going.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
Out that they really want to see a Republican sweep
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
We can help it almost no, But I'm not really
being that viacetious.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
I was watching The Five last week and Jesse Waters goes,
look you, you guys, if you don't change your ways,
you're going to be defending criminals and rapists, murderers and thugs.
And he turns to jessicaitar law resident dem and the
first thing she says, well, crime isn't that bad, you know,
compared to the militariation of your cities. And I'm thinking,
in my head, he just predicted that you were going

(25:16):
to say that, and there you.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Go say in it.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
So here's what is it that the Trump derangement syndrome
is so pervasive and so powerful that Democrats have abandoned
just common sense issues that were not even partisan, not
all that long ago. Public safety things like that, are
our education, quality of education?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
They do?

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Do?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
They just hate Trump so much? And where does that
get them going forward? Does any does every Republican then
turn into Trump? Is it just Republican derangement syndrome?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Moving forward?

Speaker 6 (25:44):
What you have to you have to really ask yourself
a serious question about elected Democrats right now. And there
are a couple of reasonable ones in office. John Fetterman
of Pennsylvania kind of coming to mind where he's kind
of saying, guys, we don't want to run off the
crazy cliff. And it looks like a bunch of us
are headed there. What this is going to do when

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you couple the mayor in Portland and the governor in Oregon,
and the mayor in Chicago and the governor of Illinois,
and then you bring to the reality that the Democratic
Socialists are about to elect an all out Marxist Socialist
Islamist to mayor in New York City, where Republicans and

(26:27):
Independents are heavily outnumbered. You've got to ask yourself a
couple of questions. Do you want normal people living in
your cities anymore? Because there will be people that will
leave everyone that can well. I already know two billionaires
that are willing to relocate all of their operations across
the Hudson River because New Jersey will not have the

(26:48):
same kind of craziness that they're being governed by, and
maybe move operations elsewhere. But what you're doing is you're
diminishing the number of people that your party has any
attraction too. I know a lot of Democrats. I live
in a blue city. I don't know anybody that is
down with just letting murrors, thugs, rapist burglars. You know,

(27:11):
you know assaulters just go loose in their city. And
yet that is literally, that is literally what the mayors
of these towns are justifying and advocating, and the governors
of those states are supporting them in that. And when
you even if you bring it down to the Charlie Kirkshooting.
I saw a number of black pastors that said, you know,

(27:32):
the Sunday after he was shot, Oh, he was a
racist and he kind of deserved what he got. Now,
there are a number of really honest black pastors in
the country that did not go there and did not
say those things, and they are to be commended for
admitting the right thing. But what I'm saying is the
distortion in the lens is so magnified, it is so

(27:53):
out of focus that I don't even think they realize
how far askew they are from where the people are at.
And all you have to do to understand that is,
look at the approval ratings of the Republicans in office
right now. Look at where they pull on the issues.
Look at what the President's numbers are on all the
stuff that people care about, every single issue. The Republicans

(28:13):
have an advantage that is larger than they did on
election day in twenty twenty four, and we have outpaced
Democrat registrations across the country by more than a million
plus in twenty twenty five, which isn't even a real
election year. It's just a couple of elections and a
couple of places. But they've made people so sick of

(28:34):
this kind of lawless anarchy that they are dead set
and determined to bring in that they're willing to go there.
And my prediction is either they implode the Democratic Party
in on itself where there's nothing left of it, or
you're going to have to have a contingent of people
that say this is nuts. We got to cut this
out and grow a different shoot out of that craziness.

(28:56):
But I think sadly the problem is they've lost everybody
that in the middle. You know, Robert Kennedy Junior was
a Kennedy. He left the Democratic Party to work for
a Republican administration. Our national security advisor Tulca Gabbard. She
was a Democrat running for Democrat office of president when

(29:17):
she started to see what Donald Trump was about and
what he did, and she left the Democratic Party and
now works in a Republican administration.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Thanks Kevin, Kevin to McCullough here on the Rod and
Gregg showing Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, canns,
let's talk about what's going on a couple of things.
Greg you're the president of the United States. You see
what is going on in some of the great cities
in this country, like in Chicago, like in Portland, Yes,
in Memphis, in Washington, d C. And he said, you know,

(29:47):
people are concerned about their own safety. So I'm going
to reach out to the cities and see if they
want some help. Two or three of those cities have
said no, we don't want any of your help. But
the President says, wait a minute. Poll's lives are being threatened,
our federal offices and buildings are being attacked, our own
federal officers are being attacked. So I'm going to send

(30:07):
people in there to protect them and to beef up security.
Yet you have these mayors who are refusing that and
condemning as a matter of fact, what did you say
earlier today that in Chicago he's now declared ice free zones? Yes?
Is that right? Like a sanctuary city now it's an
ice free zone? Right?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yes, Again, it is fundamentally completely unconstitutionally illegal. You cannot
have ice free zones. If there's federal laws, the federal
law enforcement can enforce them, and a political subdivision of
a state doesn't get to say otherwise.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It just doesn't exist. Yeah, So here you have in Chicago,
conflicting stories tonight about whether or not a commander in
the Chicago Police Department told his officers to stand down
when two Border patrol or two Ice agents felt threatened
and they needed help they were surrounded. Yet know the
commander at that time in that area says stand down,

(31:03):
and they stood down for forty minutes before all of
a sudden they said, we're going into help up. Now.
The mayor or the police chief in Chicago comes out
today said, never happened. We were there to help them out.
And let me tell you that there's some lion going on.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, and I'll tell you within the law enforcement community,
this is a very, very big deal. You've had some
You've had members of law enforcement, maybe it was a
sheriff in Florida saying, we don't do this to one another.
We always have each other's back with if somebody's trapped
or in trouble, we come and we help, and we
sit and we save people other law members of LA
enforcement as well as the public. It is a cardinal
sin to leave you know, boxed in ambushed federal eight

(31:41):
law enforcement officials and be law enforcement and leave them there.
It would be that guy wouldn't be able to show
his face anywhere in this country outside of Chicago if
that's really what he said. So he came out today
loaded formbarrassing. I never said that. Now you're getting different versions,
but the version he has on the record completely contrary
two things. One what was said about him, but two,

(32:02):
you can't really take what he says and believe that
what the Mayor of Chicago announced in terms of his
executive order can be enforced, because what he's saying is
we will, we will support, and we will be there
for our federal law enforcement officers. We're all in this together.
And he's saying that. So so there's a lot of
cross signals going on.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
And then you have Portland where you have the governor
and the mayor who are supporting Antifa and the and
the efforts to go attack ICE facilities there. Okay, they've
had one hundred straight nights of violence in that city,
yet the city says nothing to see here, Everything's under control,
don't worry about it. Where have we heard that before? Yeah?

(32:44):
Like that burning building behind me, ignore it because mostly.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Peaceful protest, as the building behind you is the bonfire. Yeah,
most And again the party of violence, they use violence
to compel behavior. It's what they do. You can take
it from the word the text message from the attorney
general Democrat attorney general candidate in Virginia. You can take
it from you know, they had what eleven people were

(33:08):
murdered and thirty eight people were shot last week in Chicago,
and you have a governor that gets up and says
everything's fine here, like, we don't need their help. Really,
eleven New York City guys have eleven people murdered and
thirty eight injured, like Chicago does. And that's not a
red state. But it goes back to your point, Rod,
that the president knows by example in Washington, d C.
But in Memphis wherever they've been able to work together

(33:31):
and to get things done. And by the way, the
DC police have appreciated the help of the National Guard
and President. You're seeing the public safety being restored.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
How on earth.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Would Portland, Oregon and Chicago, Illinois rebuff that and actually
argue against it, as if bringing peace and public safety
makes them the enemy.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
But that's what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah, And now now
you combine Matt greg with you've got this this nominee
for Virginia Attorney General, his name is Jay Jones, facing
a lot of backlash for tweets that he sent out.
What was it back in twenty twenty two. He sent
them to the Speaker of the Virginia House. You can
relate to this, right.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah about the speaker that yeah about He didn't he
speaking about him.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
About him, but he said he he choose Gilbert over
dictators like Hitler and Polepod and a hypothetical with only
two bullets. So if he only had two bullets, he said,
I wouldn't use them on Hitler or Polepod, I'd use
them on Gilbert, both of them, to the head of them,
he says, to the head, to the head. And yet
you have democrats in Virginia and around the country saying, oh,

(34:37):
that's old news. He didn't mean it. He's apologized, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
To do Yeah, you know it. So here's here's how
that story goes, Like, how do we know this? How
do we know that he wrote those texts, because that's
pretty that's a he's a state lawmaker. He's mad at
the Republican Speaker of the House, and he says something
as abhorrent as I'd put two bullets in the man's head.
He sent it to the wrong person. Yeah, the person
who received it, who he also knows, who had the
same first name as the person he thought he was

(35:02):
sending it to, said, I'd like you to not send
me stuff like that. I don't know how you're justified.
I'm not okay with what you're saying. He then goes
on to try and elaborate sometimes you have to call
it and said, I'd include his children. He doubles down,
so I'd include his children too, I'd take them out.
And sometimes you have to create pain to get people
to move on policy. Now, I say that goes beyond

(35:24):
the homicidal talk, and saying, as a candidate of Attorney
General for the State of Virginia, understand this about the guy.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
He believes he has to.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Cause pain to get his public policy through, that that's
what will motivate people. Well, that sounds familiar with the
kind of violence we're seeing spread across the country right now.
But you really want that guy by It's so bad
for him that even Morning Joe Joe Scarborough doesn't want them.
He says, that guy got to get out. Yeah, I mean,
when you lose MSNBC, you know they can't even with

(35:54):
a straight face, defend this guy any more.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Well, this guy even said to all Republicans he'd love
to attend their funerals, Greg so he could piss on
their grapes. Yeah, I mean nice, Right, the guy's demented,
you just don't talk about. And then you have you
have Virginia. Democrats are saying, well, this is all you know.
They're using what they call it Trump controlled media to
smear Jay Jones.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
We'll give me seventeen seconds and I'll give you Morning Joe.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
You got it, I got it all right, here it is.
Here's what Morning Joe said today.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Coming up.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
An attorney general candidate in Virginia is apologizing for his text.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
It's about a state lawmaker.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
We'll go through and then probably be forced to withdraw
from the rest and probably is doing a lot there. Wow,
even Joe did.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
He should probably withdraw from the race, and probably is
being is doing a lot there, meaning that's probably he
wants to say he absolutely should. Yeah, probably being kind.
So when when you know, Mike tries to say something
he wrote a while ago and Joe doesn't even he's
not going to hear it. He's like, now, this guy
he needs to get out, and he really should. I

(36:59):
if he doesn't, it'll be interesting to see how the
voter is, the common sense everyday voters of how they
how do they how do they reconcile.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
It or dismiss it? Weird part is, as I've.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Seen on social media on next this thing go out, there,
a lot of Democrats just go back to Trump. Well,
Trump's bad, Yeah, TRUMPSA We're not even talking about Trump.
This isn't even about Maybe you're on the wrong text tread.
We're not talking about Donald J.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Trump.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
We're talking about your your Democrat attorney general candidate for
your state. It has nothing to do with Trump, but
Trump is Trump. Do you want to talk about January sixth?
You want to talk about that?

Speaker 5 (37:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
No, no again, going back to let's stay on topic.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Your Trump derangement syndrome can't bleed into a race that
has nothing to do with Donald Trump whatsoever. But it does,
it really does. They just can't. They can't get around.
Everything's about Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
It's called Trump derangement syndrome. It is exactly what it's
all about. Well, we want to get your thoughts all
what the president is trying to do in cities like Portland, Chicago,
now Memphis. Apparently they've had some good results already in
Memphis in cracking down crime, certainly in the Nation capital.
What do you think this violence that you've seen on
the Democratic side, This guy calling for the death of

(38:08):
a member of the Virginia Legislature for crying out loud
Trump derangement syndrome eight eight eight five seven eight zero
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(38:30):
about what the president is doing to try and end
the violence in Portland and Chicago despite the fact every
Democrat in that state or those states, in those cities
are fighting against him. We're getting your reaction. Do you
support that? Also talking about this story in Virginia where
the Democratic nominee for Virginia Attorney General facing backlash after
some very disturbing private messages from Mons.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Homicietal years ago, homicidal violent texts of what he fantasizes
about doing to what was then the Republican speaker of
the House, and by that, I mean shooting him in
the head his kids as well, and then try and
explain you know why that would be good because they
need to feel pain to move on policy. It's a
very I mean, it should be a deal killer beyond all.

(39:15):
So let's go to our listeners, shall we. Yep, let's
go to Brook, who's been waiting in West Haven. Brook,
Welcome to the Ronning Gregg Show.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Hi, thank you. I was a resident of Virginia for
several years and I know the Democrat playbook very well.
Back when Ralph Northam was the well it was running
for governor that he had a scandal come out where
he was in blackface from a college yearbook lieutenant governor.
His lieutenant governor was accused of sexual assault. Well neither

(39:47):
of those men ever denied, which they couldn't because there
was a lot of proof. But the playbook is you
just stick with the plan, You just keep moving forward
and hope that the voter forgets and unfortunately a lot
of times they do.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Let me ask you, Broke, what would you call Virginia
a blue state, a red state, a purple state? What
are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 5 (40:09):
So when I moved to Virginia about thirty years ago.
It was a red state and then it slowly started
going purple. And then the more the influx of people
that moved into northern Virginia, it just changed that state
to blue. So when the current governor now won, who
is a Republican, that was a big national story. Yes,

(40:32):
and thankfully they have only one term limit, so you
kind of flush these people out every four years. But
I would not have been surprised if Ralph Northam would
have won a second term, just because people are just
I don't know what it is. They're just not up
to date on what's going on, or they don't care.

(40:54):
In fact, when he was caught in black face, that
was during the time when the Marlett's Feil thing was
going on and Donald Trump was being raked over the
coals for one little sentence which was taken out of contact,
by the way, when all of that was going on,
and that was a heated racial thing that they were
trying to drum up a racial thing. But when they

(41:15):
have a picture of our governor in blackface from college.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Adn't make a difference.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Anything about the hypocrisy of these leftists.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
We're so used to it anymore. It almost just rolls
off our back on me. Just add this.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I'm just seeing it now. New York Post and is
now has a has a front I don't know if
it's going to be their front page headline, but it's
out there in their politics section.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Virginia A.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
G candidate Jay Jones, who we're talking about, there's a
new text is if there wasn't it wasn't already bad enough.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
If you do it once, you know, it's kind of
a trend.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
It looks like he had disdained for more than just
the then Republican Speaker of the House. He says j
Jones said if more cops got killed, they would they
they wouldn't shoot so many people. So he's got to
he's got a text that if maybe a few cops died,
that they would move on and not shoot people, not
killing people. He allegedly told the same delegate who released

(42:10):
the earlier text message, Wow, so he's got He's got
some other texts that are hard to defend. Again, especially
to be attorney general. I mean, you're it's like you're
the chief law enforcement officer and you're talking about shooting caps.
You know, the shooting, presiding officer of your of your assembly,
and now cops, this guy is a is a wreck.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
He's terrible.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, I mean this, this is this, But this can't
get to our colors point. I remember when Northrop got
you know, he had the black bass. So they were
trying to make such a big deal about Trump's racism,
but they they compartmentalized it all. I don't know how
you can compartmentalize the things this guy has said. They
are unhinged. We were talking about how the left is
fomenting violence, how they promote violence. If this isn't exhibit A, B,

(42:50):
and C, I don't know what is. So they they
have got to abandon him or he has got to
lose that race.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, that's true. All right, more coming up, Let's go
to our talk back line. See what one of our
listeners has to say tonight about what's going on in
the country right now. Hey, I've got a question for
you guys. Where is David Hogg on all of these shootings?

Speaker 9 (43:11):
He made a career off of that unfortunate and terrible
school shooting down there in Florida, but I never hear
of him in Chicago or in Portland or any of
these other places where things are going rough.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
You know what, that is a great question. Where are
you David? Yeah, he's an interesting character.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yep, because he's an interesting character because he said, oh,
Democrats have to get tougher and we have to you know,
he was that younger version. He got elected to Democrat
leadership and they kicked him out because he was too
aggressive on the old guys. But he's made his whole
name on gun violence and all of this. When you
hear a Democrat attorney general out of Virginia make these
comments about what he'd do with a gun to his

(43:54):
political opponents, including now law enforcement. Where's David Hogg right now?
That guy should be at Someone needs to ask them.
To our caller and our interview in the first hour,
guy Shiraki, we need to start asking him these point
blank questions and they need to answer them.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, and they won't. No, they'll they'll fare. I mean
you can ask them now, Greg, Well, aren't you really
advocating for reimbursement for illegal aliens? Oh no, no, we
are no. Our website and are still different, totally different idea.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, we can read it in the bill, we can
see it on your website, but no we're not.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, I mean it's absolutely amazing. All right, more your
calls and your comments coming up on the Monday afternoon edition.
Oh they're rodding Greg show all right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, r s. What
else were you going to do on Saturday? It rained
all day.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I like to watch sports. In the United States of America.
Wasn't running everywhere, so I get to watch sports.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
So that's true. My Steelers didn't play on Sunday though,
that was Cowboys. Did they beat the Jets? Whoopee? By
the way, that's the Yankees are getting there.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
That's my family time, you know, is gathering around to
watch the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's I know, family time. Yes, I do. All right,
if if you're just joining us now, all kinds of
things we're talking about today. Primarily we're talking about the
President his efforts to bring some calm to cities like
Portland and Chicago, sending in the National Guard to do
what apparently police can't do or don't want to do
in those two cities. Do you agree with that? We've

(45:21):
got other things we're talking about as well. Yeah, I
think that.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
So you got this loan of a Democrat running for
Attorney General who has said some homicidal things on texts
of which are indefensible. You have, you have the crime
in Portland, and now you have a judge that says that.
Now we all remember, or at least we can read
in the history books where JFK and lbjsent in National

(45:47):
Guard troops to one was on desegregation with Governor Wallace,
and the other I remember what the other one was.
But but there's been multiple occasions where where the president
has deployed National Guard troops in the cities. And it
wasn't just for federal issues. It was well, maybe federal
law like desegregation after the Supreme Court ruled. But in

(46:10):
all those occasions, and even one where the governor and
the mayor were both well, the governor of California was
Pete Wilson at the time, so he's a Republican, but
the governor was Bradley, who was at the basketball player
what's his first name, Bradley for La Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
He was their mayor, Bill Bradley, Bill Bradley. Yes.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Anyway, they asked for George Herbert Walker Bush to bring
in a National Guard during the Rodney, right, So we
have examples where this works. The only reason you would
not want the assistance of this president or the National
Guard in terms of public safety and the murders and
the homicides that are going on would be because you
hate him more than you you like the people you're

(46:49):
representing who are being killed. Otherwise, really that's it. You
don't want to You don't want the president to do
anything that's going to help your state or your city.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Speaking of the National Guard, did you see over the
weekend you watch television, I would assume yes, ICE is
running ads here in the Utah area asking law enforcement
to sign up for ICE, and they're offering what like
a fifty thousand dollars bonus and tuition and stuff like that.
Pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
If I is a little bit of a young gun,
I might look at it. I might stare at that
a little you'd be a nice agent, I think it'd be. Yeah,
I kind of. I feel like they need help right now.
I think they're getting totally mistreated.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Oh they are, and no doubt about that. They're doing there.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
These men and women are doing that job. Are heroes,
they really are. They're doing it under and they're getting
politicized unfairly.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, all right, let's open up the phones to you tonight.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. If
you've got a cell phone, all you do is have
to dial pound two to fifty and say hey Rod
or on on our talkback line. Just download the iHeartRadio
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comment on our talkback line and it is free. Thank
you very much. Let's go to the talkback line see

(47:51):
what some of our listeners are having to say tonight.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Trump's approach to this is brilliant. He's going from the
ground up, not the top down. Isn't it amazing that
the people at the top are fighting Trump on trying
to keep the people in.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
These cities safe.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
Why are they afraid? Simple Trump is gonna protect them
and all of a sudden, now they might just start
voting red.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Right, matter of fact, voter registration for the Republicans of
Sky High around the country.

Speaker 10 (48:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
The Democrats are having a very difficult time getting anyone
to be enthusiastic about their party because they're based you
know where AOC and some of these people used to
be the extreme they're now they're kind of their mainstream.
So it's hard. Let's go to the phones. Let's go
to Let's go to John and Murray. John, Welcome to
the Run and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Hey, Hey, can you hear me? We can? Oh?

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Good?

Speaker 11 (48:51):
Okay, Hey, quick question for you, Greg. I thought this
was the case that if you're in a country that's
a safe country already, that you aren't entitled to go
to another country to claim asylum if you're already in
a country that you're safe. So, if Mexico and Canada
are safe countries, anyone that came through those two countries
to the United States should immediately be dumped there and

(49:12):
let them deal with the problem. They allowed them to
come through their country, a safe country and try to
come to our country to claim asylum. What's the rules
on that.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I think you're onto something, John, Say you are. John.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Look, here's the thing about that whole scam on asylum.
They got that app and all you do is say
asylum and you needn't to say why. And they're going
to schedule a court hearing in three to five years
if they can find you. That's the scam. I mean,
So he's right. If it was really about you live
in an unsafe country, and you need to be somewhere safe.
If you were in Canada or in Mexico, those are

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not countries that we accept people, you know, seeking asylum,
and so they could stay there and not come into
our country.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah, you know what's so funny about this too. Greg
is on every issue, and this is the one issue
that I think I believe Trump gets its high as
marks is control the border. And he told the American
people you elect me, I will find these illegal aliens
who are in this country illegally, and I will get
rid of them. That's what he's doing, and that's what

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the American people want, isn't that. I mean, it was
not one of the key issues. Absolutely close the border,
and let's get rid of the people who are criminals
and in this country illegally. Get rid of them.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
So I got a fifty second clip of the police
chief or the superintendent, Larry Snelling, he is the Chicago
Police Department superintendent, dealing with the accusation that they stood
down while the while the Ice agents were barricaded gang
and blocked in. Now this is the on the record statement,
but I think this goes to the point of our
color where it's brilliant to start the grassroots, because when

(50:43):
the grassroots see that, it looks like the police might
have not helped other federal law enforcement officers. It's putting
them in a very difficult place. Listen to what the
Chicago PD superintendent had to say about that situation.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Federal agents.

Speaker 12 (51:02):
HSI are officers. They are agents of law enforcement. If
you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable for
them to believe that they are being ambushed and that
this could end in a deadly situation, and it's reasonable

(51:28):
for them to use force based on those conditions. Do
not box in any law enforcement officer. You are breaking
the law when you do that, and you are putting
yourself in danger.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Can you be more clear? Now? Guess what.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Nobody was saying that out loud and publicly before. But
when they scrutiny hit this guy, he doesn't care what
the mayor thinks are what the city council's employers think.
He can reputation as a law enforcement officer. Can't live
with the idea that he was going to leave them abandoned.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Well, he may have. You know, it wasn't the police
chief who did this. It was a commander of the
area or whatever. Right, if you're supporting the officers out
there who are in trouble, Okay, why did it take
you forty minutes to get there? And that's what people
are asking today because he laid out this, chief laid
out the outline, the timeline for all of this, so

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when they call for it, they don't show up for
forty minutes. And who's telling the truth here? Because there
are I think there's even radio dispatch calls in which
that commander in that area is saying stand down.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I believe it's true, and I think it is too.
But when they go on the record that strong And
there's another part where he says, we will help those
that are in need, that are that if they're trapp
because they would do the same for us, and we'll
do the same for them. Those are those are declarations
being made publicly to the residents of Chicago that contradict
the governor Pritzker of of Illinois and the gut in

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the mayor of Chicago Johnson. So he's he is parting
ways with them with what he's saying right now, what
he's saying does not comport with what they're trying to
tell the public. And he's doing it because again to
our colors point, grassroots people, they want protected and they
want served by their police department.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
They do. All right, more your calls and comments coming up.
It is the Monday afternoon edition of the Rod and
Greg Show on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine
k n RS. A lot of talk this weekend about
being peach makers.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yes, yeah, like I'm giving you that look. I'm not
giving your look. I can see your look, but I
feel the way.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I'm just talking about being peach makers. And we're all
talking about that with a Utah lawmaker who has his
own thoughts on how we can stop. Politically, I always
ask what would Porter rock Will do? That's what I have.
That's fine, that's standard. That is That's what I That's
what I ask myself, you know, to keep the people.
There's like a Porter rock Will society in this state. Yeah,

(53:56):
there's a few that claim to have them. Yeah, I
like you members. Are you a member? Not an official one? Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
But I will say this that you know he was
a US marshal and he and you can say he
was a peacemaker, and I do I say.

Speaker 10 (54:11):
He is there.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Someone would probably argue that I would think maybe, don maybe,
but not not anyone. I want to know. Well, if
you're just joining us now, we're talking about the UH
National Guard troops heading to UH Portland and Chicago. In Oregon,
they refused to do so. So the President said, okay,

(54:33):
California National Guard, you go to Oregon and help him out.
And Matt you know, judges stepped in said, oh, mister President,
you can't do that. That's a Trump appointed judge, by
the way, who is saying that. But a lot a
lot of the MAGA people out there saying, we don't care,
mister President. Do what you need to do. Do it.
Even if the judge says you can't, Well we'll see.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I think again, I think some of the stuff has
to get expedited to the Supreme Court so that these
games stop being played and where. And I do believe
there's a federal nexus to it. I mean, you saw
what they did in Chicago to those ice agents, how
they blocked him in with those cars. This does have
a federal nexus. And I think he's well within his
right to help protect his federal law enforcement agents who

(55:14):
are doing what enforcing the law. Enforcing the law is
not oppression. I don't know how the Democrats get away
with this and convince the regime media to parot it out.
But it is criminals are not oppressed, and enforcing the
law is not oppression.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
It just isn't. And there's no way you can you
can justify otherwise. Yeah, well, the president, you know, he
apparently the White House is saying they will abide by
the decisions of the judges, even though they most likely
will appeal him. I would think, greg the Supreme Court
is getting sick and tired of having these cases coming
before him. Yes, I know, you think. Yeah, you know,

(55:50):
they say, come on, you judges, let the president move ahead.
But every time they turn around something showing up on
their front door and say, will mommy and daddy make
a ruling on this please so we can move forward.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
You know, they're just some of us just trying to
run the clock. The longer they can they can just
put it all in the courts and take up time.
The more they can delay, and the more they can delay,
the more when he finally is able to do it,
he has less time to get get the job done.
And that's that's part of the strategy.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Sadly, what delay, delay, delay.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Absolutely absolutely can. So we got another story. So plaintiffs
in the Utah Resistrict in Case they just filed a
brand new motion over the partisan semis Symmetry bill that
just passed the Utah legislature today. They argue it again
violates Utah's right to reform their government by picking tests

(56:39):
that are ill suited to Utah's political realities. It's ill
suited to elect Democrats that we wouldn't otherwise elect.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
You know, again, if your party registration is twelve point
eight percent of the registered voters, I don't know what
symmetry you're looking for, but anything more than twelve point
eight percent, I would say, isn't that symmetric? Because you
got twelve point eight percent that have actually called themselves
a you know, affiliated Democrat.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
You know, why does some Brian King who's head of
the Democratic Party just come right out and say, we
want a Democrat in Congress. Yeah, and we want to
do everything we can if we can coach about the
fact that only thirteen percent of the registered voters in
this state our Democrat. We want a Democrat in Congress
because we want our voice. Right, Well, we don't have
thirteen percent of the register. Don't let that bother you. Yeah,

(57:26):
but we want a Democrat in Congress. Yeah, just come
out of the state. Yep, yep. So all right, we're
wan to talk about being a peacemaker stopping political violence.
Coming up next on the Roden Greg Shop.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Part Okay, we're I roll right along. We've got a
great interview coming up. You're gonna want to hear this.
A friend of mine, Representative Steve Elison, served with him
in the House of Representatives. He's joining us today on
the show. Has an op ed out in a time
where we feel, you know, feels a bit partisan, feels a.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Bit rough out there, a little bit yeah, crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
He penned an editorial with a representative or what who
is it? It's oh, come on this Why I shouldn't
ask what I shouldn't.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
Ask for a question? Stephanie Pitcher, Senator.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Stephanie Pitcher, she used to be in the House of
Representative and she sold out, went to the House of
Lords representatively. Listen, welcome to the Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
My friend, Thank you, Rod, thank you, citizens, Jews.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Now I get to ask the first question, and my
question is going to be because We've been talking about
this during the show today. I'm part of the anti
murder Caucus. I want to start one, and I want
everybody who's against murder to join this caucus. And I
think it should be a really easy bipartisan caucus to
be a member of. And it really does dovetail well
with your the editorial that you did with Senator Pitcher.
And so one of the simple questions is can we

(58:48):
get lawmakers in Utah, at least without regard to party,
to condemn these text messages that this Democrat Attorney general
candidate in Virginia homicidal text messages by the way, that
he wrote and have now become public that you can't
find a Democrat in Virginia ready to condemn it. Sounds
like the spirit of in some of the things that
you put in your editorial about speaking up and condemning

(59:11):
political violence. Is that condemning this ag candidates texts talking
about putting bullets in the head of the then Republican
House house speaker. Can we get bipartisan condemnation? Do you
think for that?

Speaker 1 (59:25):
You know?

Speaker 7 (59:27):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Greg?

Speaker 7 (59:29):
I sure hope.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
So, just in twenty twenty five alone, we've witnessed more
than one hundred and fifty politically motivated attacks of violence.

Speaker 7 (59:39):
That's two times as Mandia's last year.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
And it's unfortunately it's also a bipartisan I mean, it's
just unfortunate it happens altogether. But you know, here in
Utah obviously the assassination of Charlie Kirk. In Minnesota, we
saw the assassination of the cost Speaker of the Minnesota
the Coast Speaker, and Melissa Hortman at her home and

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her husband. And in our civilized society, violence is not
how we settle things. We are subject to the rule
of law, we have freedom of speech, but the rhetoric
has got to be toned down.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Steve, You're right about it's important that we all let
our voices be heard. But in raising our voices sometimes
or just and I mean raising it to point out
some things, people will be attacked for simply doing that.
I mean, what do you say to people who believe
in a certain issue, believe in their opinion on a
certain issue, want to say something, but are reluctant to
do so for afraid of being beaten down or criticized,

(01:00:43):
or people just you know, you aren't going to be
my friend. Anymore if you say anything like that. I mean,
how do you raise your voice when you confront a
situation like that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:53):
Well, it's a great question, Rod.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I think that we need to, you know, jealously guard
our freedom of speech and not be a raid to
speak out. But the way in which we do that matters.
And when people like the situation that Greg just referred to,
you know, talks about harming a political opponent through violence
or their children, for heaven's sakes, that's where, you know,

(01:01:17):
regardless of the party or what position we're in, we
need to say, you know, that's not okay, not even
as a joke, because there's sometimes people will hear that
that maybe maybe you're unstable and follow through on it,
and those those are just not options that we should

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you know, even entertain. I mean, it's it's it's unfortunately
kind of a flashback to the sixties when we saw
you know, so many high profile assassinations, and we can't
go back to that dark space.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Steve, I want to, I want to push back a
little bit as friendly because we're friends on this bipartisan
notion that that the violence is coming from both sides.
Even when you when you give the example of the
host speaker of the Minnesota House, Melissa Hortman. I was
so upset and outrage before we ever knew any details
about her killing because her comments she was the lone

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Democrat to vote for the budget they had had a
shut down Governor Walls and she is the only Democrat
in the House in Minnesota voted for that, and so
all the criticism was coming from the Democrat side. But
it didn't matter when that story changed to some loon
who who knew her and was They say, he's Republican,
but he seemed to be a grifter to me, had

(01:02:29):
an NGO in Africa and everything else. But my outrage
and my sadness didn't change on IOTA when I heard
that she was killed and her husband was Because I've
been a public servant, you are none of this is okay.
But I don't see that from the left. I don't
see a Tesla takedown equivalent on the right. I don't
see the Antifa violence that's going on in Portland right

(01:02:51):
now coming from the right. Do you really think this
is a very even handed both right and left problem
that we're seeing with political violence in our country.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Well, that's a great question. Greg And that's why I'm
actually grateful to Senator Stephney Pitcher, who's you know, on
the other side of file for me and the other
side of the chamber in terms of being in the
Senate where you know, both the left and the right
can say, you know what, it's not okay, and both
sides need to condemn it. And you know, I think

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there's always a knee jerk reaction. We saw this with
a late night comedian to instantly just say, oh, well,
it must be the other side that's doing this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:33):
We know it's coming from from from both.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Sides, but I hope that we can equally hear both
sides denouncing it, because it can't be okay if it's like, oh,
that's the other party that's dehumanizing. It's kind of like
the quote at the very end of the Holocaust Museum
where that I can't remember the individual, but he said,
you know, they came for this group and that group,
but I didn't say anything, and then they came for me,

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and there's no way to speak for me.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
We just need to unequivocally condemn violent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Steve, you mentioned Governor Cox in this. I know he's
been on a campaign for you know, since he was
head of the Governor's association, this disagreed better idea which
I'm trying to understand and I wrestle with and I
wrestle on this points team. You had the governor in
sixty minutes a couple of weeks ago talking about this idea.
He was sitting with the new Mexico governor and they
were talking about the issue of abortion. He brought up

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and he said, you know, we disagree on a number
of points, but there are some points that we agree on.
But if you both say, okay, we understand each other,
but then nothing gets done about abortion, what have we
achieved other than talking to each other and being nice
to each other? Abortion is still there. There are no
restrictions there. I mean, what do we do in cases
like that if all we're doing is talking but nothing

(01:04:44):
is being achieved.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Well, that's a great question, Rod, And that's you know,
the question of our great American experiment is how we
work through those challenges. But the one thing that we
just can't have is ever be part of that is
is assassinations. If somebody doesn't agree with this, and you know,
me and Senator Pitcher aren't trying to say this is

(01:05:08):
just a great kumbaya and we have to come together
on every issue. We're not going to and we wouldn't
have a healthy system, in my opinion, if.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
We agreed on everything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
We need those those counterpoints and you know, the counterbalance
and alternate opinions because we represent you know, a broad electorate.
But if we both can't with a straight face say
we unequivocally condemn violence regardless of what the person's motivation was,
then we're going in a direction that we will completely regret.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Steve, just final question, and you're good, You're a good
sport because I'm I. I actually I don't believe it's
bipartisan in terms of how we're seeing this. What I
will say to you is just like the Melissa Hartman
example you gave from Minnesota, any time there's violence and
it does come from the right, I am, I would
be quick and I would never say if they do it,
there's no there's no more equivalency, and there's no butt

(01:06:02):
after you say we condemn assassination's murder, violence. It's just
that's the end of it. There's no butt after that.
My question to you, though, is if we allow people
to say this happens on both sides. It's about everyone's
doing it the same. While I'm watching Antifa, while I'm
watching certain things, it seemed to be a bit more
strong than what I'm seeing from the right. Does it

(01:06:23):
give the left cover because it's not them, it's everybody.
Everybody's doing it, So it's not really us that are
doing it. Don't you think that they're just be I mean,
maybe I think they're fermenting some fear and they're using
violence as a tactic.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Am I am? I off on that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Certainly some people are greg and you know, I haven't
seen an analysis of one hundred and fifty acts of
political violence this year broken down kind of on a
partisan element. I think that you know, in a lot
of these cases, there are again individuals that have got
deeper issues. That's a whole separate discussion about how we,

(01:07:05):
you know, address those from a societal perspective, because you know,
generally killing somebody is just not a rational act. And
you know, again, we could have we could have a
whole program on that discussion. But I think that, you know,
we need to be bold enough to say when it arises,
whether it comes from our point of view or somebody

(01:07:26):
else's point of view to say, that's not how we.

Speaker 7 (01:07:29):
Settle political disputes in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
I mean, I know, going back to you know, Aaron
Burr and a duel, it's like those days are behind us.

Speaker 7 (01:07:37):
But at least that was at least that was a duel.

Speaker 12 (01:07:39):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:07:39):
It's like the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
King may have felt like that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
So yeah, we just we just have to to say
this is not how we settle things. And there's more
civil ways to do this, and call be willing to call.
You know, everybody out on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
SAVE is always great chatting with you. Thank you for
your time, Steve, Thanks, Thanks Representative Stevie Eliason, or listen
join us on our news. Yet, you know, he brought
up good point the Aaron birth thing. At least they
were gentlemen. I'm telling you, man, let's go back to dules.
Let's just get let's just let's just do that. Yeah,
just go back to duels. All right. Well, no, we
aren't advocating that, by the way, we're not. Every chill out. Yeah, relax, folks,

(01:08:24):
more coming up. It is the Rotten Greg Show right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k
n RS. I'm citizen, Greg Hughes, and I'm Rod Arquett.
You know I love We often talk about this Byron York,
who's uh a regular on the Fox News Channel, also
writes Greg for The Washington Examiner. He did a great
job in what he calls Trump's remarkable polling stability, and

(01:08:48):
he brings up the fact the level of approval is
higher this time around than Trump's first term. Right, the
RCP average for Trump's approval in October of twenty seven
sventeen was thirty nine point two percent approved, fifty five
percent disapproved. That was back in twenty seventeen. The average
today is forty four point nine approval, fifty three disapproved.

(01:09:13):
Trump's approval today is more than five points higher than
it was in his first terms. Right in his first term.
His strengths today, First among men, which you would suspect, Greg,
he is at fifty percent among them White Americans. He
is at fifty two percent approval Among whites who do
not have a college degree sixty two percent. So, but

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they haven't changed much, as York points out, other than
the difference between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty five. But
he says it is remarkable that they're holding as steady
as they are because of everything that's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
He's a disruptor and usually, and I'll tell you this,
the status quo is so difficult to defeat because if
you do nothing, you don't get a lot of grief
if you if you interrupt the status quo, you get
so many critics and a lot of people they hear
all the criticism and they get a negative perception of
what you're doing. It's why it's it's hard to stay
popular when you're disrupting and you're shattering the status quo.

(01:10:11):
The president is proving that he can hold steady, maintain
the confidence of the American people while being probably one
of the bigger, biggest disruptors of a president we've seen
in terms of taking on his own executive branch, closing
down the Department of Education, doing what he's doing with
enforcing federal law on immigration, closing the border. But I'll
tell you this so different than his first term. He's

(01:10:32):
not running again. What at the end of the day,
does the approval meeting really really mean? He would like
to do well in the midterms, obviously, but I'm telling
you he knows he's on the clock, and he's not
going to let someone show him an approval rating that's
going to deter him from getting things done. And because
he's not running again, he doesn't have to worry. He
doesn't have a second shot at this. So these are

(01:10:54):
these approval ratings might be relevant due because of the
midterms and those congressionals he's but certainly not for his prospects.
I don't think he gives a wit what you're gonna say.
He's here to get things done and he thinks history
will remember it if you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Well what York points out, I thought this was interesting.
His base, he has a more consolidated Republican support base
than he had during his entire first term I believe
I agree that too, and it is useful in so
many I mean, take the gall ongoing government shutdown right now.
Trump seems he doesn't seem nervous about it at all.

(01:11:29):
Does he doesn't, It doesn't. It certainly doesn't appear. So
part of the reason is his strong base of support.
I mean, he's got a solid base there that he
didn't have in the first term because there were a
lot of people going I don't know about this guy.
But the other point I wanted to make that you
touched on a second ago. And I've read a lot
of business management books over the year, as you probably

(01:11:50):
have as well. A change agent is tough, it is,
it's very tough, and but you've got to do it
to be successful. And he said I will change Washington
his first term. I think he went in a little naive, really,
and how big of a task it is. This time
he's gone in and he's doing what he can do.
He is trying. He is really changing the culture in Washington.

(01:12:12):
He may even do more if this shutdown doesn't come
to an end anytime soon. But he just feels you
hired me to be a change agent, and that's what
I'm going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Maybe people might not realize that the career path in
the biography of Winston Churchill, he wasn't always the lion, Okay,
he wasn't. He was kicked out of office, he was
he lost being Prime minister there. He had failures along
the way, but he is remembered because he never gave
up on his principles and and he he was steadfast,

(01:12:42):
and he learned from his mistakes. But the story isn't
ever finished or told. And Trump is absolutely determined. I'll
tell you the other thing too, memes and social media.
The humor he's using at the White House website or
their memes and the things are doing. I think he's
capturing the attention of young people and there is a

(01:13:03):
narrative that the media just can't quash the way they
used to. And I think that the humor also reaches
a younger generation of people. And I'm telling you, I
just think that his second term, he is instead of
just he used to just send out these tweets that
were just bashing people he didn't like, and it was
I liked it. But using humor is such a more effect,

(01:13:23):
even sarcastic humor or mock humor. And I don't know
if you noticed, but jeff speaker Jeffrey or minority leader
Jeffrey's sombrero gets bigger as this as the shutdown gets longer,
it keeps getting bigger. So it's now bigger than the
actual picture. And that so anyway, those are funny things
I think that people smile at, and where I think

(01:13:44):
the Democrats have just become ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
With a straight face.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
You can put some humor to these things easier now
than ever before, and I think they're doing that well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Final prediction he made byra and Yorke, he said, there's
a good possibility that the Democrats will take the House
next year. Okay, okay, good possibility, he said. You know,
and one of the first things they'll do, what do
you think they're gonna do? What shut shut down the government?
Impeach Trump? Oh yeah, you know, yeah, duh right. And

(01:14:12):
I don't think he cares because his base is out
there saying no Samuel, Samuel, nothing new, not gonna work.
But they're gonna try and do it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
It's like what I mean, you know what Nancy Pelosi
and aoc and and all all the Democrats, Schumer, you
know how, you know what their tel is when they're mad.
You can see their lips move, Okay, And so that's
just they're gonna impeach. Of course, it's you're in charge,
if you're ever in charge, that's what you're gonna do.
I think that party is in such disarray. I don't
understand how they can beat Republicans with a party that

(01:14:40):
has no leader, has no vision, is so counterintuitive and
against common sense.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
I don't know how they take that House. I don't
I have to wait and see. You're gonna be an
interesting year coming up with that's for sure. All Right,
more coming up on the Rod and Greg Show right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k
n R S. I'm citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Look, we're we've we have scheduled, but I could I'll
just say this, if a representative Cannics Perucci is unable
to meet with her or unable to join us on
the show, I wouldn't blame her. She's the sponsor, the
House sponsor of the redistricting bill that they passed at
the House and the Senate passed today that they have
to now go to on bended knee to this judge
and ask, if the judge's permission, if they can do

(01:15:20):
their constitutional job. They're separated and once separate and equal power,
and they also I'm looking forward to speaking with her
if she's up to it, because again, she's had a
long day of the partisan symmetry a bill where they
wanted to codify some basic principles of what fair is.
So it's not this innocuous term that Democrats think means

(01:15:42):
just getting more Democrats seeks. That's what fairness is symmetry
more Democrats, that's what that's what they think that means.
And so those are topics that I think, you know,
just a bill itself. I know they did this under dress.
I have friends that I served with that I you
know that are there right now. Nobody's in a good
mood that the core it's forced them to redraw those maps.
It's not the judiciary's role, that's not their separating equal power,

(01:16:06):
but they're doing it. I mean, they're not going to
have the you know, they're not going to withdraw themselves
from this process. So they're going to do their level
best and we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
You know what, Greg, I am so surprised that the
Republican lawmakers up there on the Hill have have not
all become swuear bears. Well, we don't know. But I mean,
if you're a lawmaker and you've got this one single
judge who is determining how you tall voters will vote

(01:16:38):
and who they will vote for, one judge doing this
of which nobody elected. Nobody elected this judge. The Constitution
says it's up to the lawmakers to do this and
the judiciary and for this judge to step in and
say no, I have the authority to do this. You
must please me if you want to get you and
that's it, and and so they have to go. You know,

(01:17:00):
it reminds me what movie was Oliver where the kid
goes to the headmaster and says more please, sir. Yeah,
you're there having to go approve this, please judge. It
is not the way this system was designed. It isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
And we've seen judicial activism across this country. Shoot, we
see it with our president where he can't even get
National Guard troops into Portland to try and restore the
order there. So we've seen it nationally. We're seeing redistricting
happening all over the country in different states. But in
Utah we have some judge we don't know from a
hole in the ground who only we get to retain

(01:17:34):
with zero information about how they've ruled on anything, what
they've done as a judge, what their background is, but
we're somehow supposed to vote to retain them. It's a
fraud of a retention election. It disrespects the people that
you have know it. It's a zero information election cycle.
And that one person more than seventy five elected House
members and twenty nine elected state senators that judge knows better.

(01:17:58):
Come on, it's just it's so offensive to me.

Speaker 10 (01:18:03):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yes, if the representative good representative didn't want to call
because she's too mad, I would understand she's calling.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Representative Candice ber Ruccie joining us on our baker line.
Representative Greg and I have come to the opinion we
don't know how you guys up on the hill have
not become all square bears, Yes, because this would just
drive us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yeah, we're beside ourselves and we're not even in your situation.

Speaker 10 (01:18:26):
Well, you got to make sure you what is this saying,
touch grass, keep yourself grounded outside of this. But it's
definitely a busy day.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. Already the forces
against all of this are going to court trying to
stop you from getting this plan. Can you give us
the roadmap? Now that you've approved the plan? Where do
we go from here? What happens next? Today?

Speaker 10 (01:18:49):
The legislaturemate and a special session to adopt a new
congressional map as per the core order of Judge Gibson.
So we adopted maps today. Anyone can see that at
Redistricting dot UTA, dot gov or eli dot UTA dot gov.
So now that has been adopted by the House and Senate,
it will go to the judge and she'll review it.

(01:19:11):
I believe our next hearing before her is the twenty
third or twenty fourth. Keep in mind, Judge Gibson said
that the legislature could redraw the map and the plaintiff
could submit a map, and so she's going to look
at those maps. I will point out, though, that the
ability to draw maps lies in the Utah Constitution and

(01:19:31):
Article nine, Section one with the legislature. There is nowhere
in the Constitution or statue or in Prop four that
says a judge should pick and draw map. But so
hypothetically undo the scenario we're under. She will review those
and then by early November she will decide again hypothetically
watch map she's going.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
To select representative. You weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I don't know this to be one hundred per cent true,
but I suspect that you were. You were You were
not allowed to look at voter Uh, you have registered voters,
but you weren't able to consider whether they were registered
Republican Democrat or look at any of the political influenced LASH.

Speaker 10 (01:20:11):
Zero political data. So to being compliance with props for.
There are eight different factors that we followed, and one
of those is to ensure that the map doesn't unduly
influence the political party or a particular candidate, and we
have kept to that, and we did not use partisan
data and dry this map.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Representative. I heard Lawmaker Brooks say that you followed the
directives of the judge to at to make sure everything
was followed correctly. Is that true?

Speaker 10 (01:20:39):
That is correct? And we went out of our way,
pay mistakingly to ensure that proposition for standards were met
in reducing as many as possible splits to municipalities, counties
falling geographical features, the major transportation corridors, as well as
obviously the federal deviation standards. So we complied with.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
All of that.

Speaker 10 (01:21:00):
Unlike the minority talkus, the Democrats on the committee submitted
a map that did not meet any of those standards,
nor did it meet any of the partisan symmetry tests
that were applied to it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised, surprised, not surprised. I
should say, let me say, there's been a report out
tonight that on the bill that Senator Brammer passed that
you guys passed today that he sponsored that would codify
this partisan symmetry, because what's fair to democrats, I mean,
what's fair to them is more democrats. What the definition

(01:21:32):
of fair can be innocuous and hard to find. There
was a bill I understand today from Senator Brammer that
was to put a formula together that you can really
point to on what that would look like. Can you
can you describe for our listeners what that partisan symmetry
bill was to do, because I hear that they've gone
to court already to complain about the bill that was passed.
What did that bill seek to do?

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:21:54):
So in the judges order, about page twenty nine to thirty,
she walks through partisans intry, which was one of the
standards included in proposition for we are the only state
in the nation that has an independent redistricting commission. That's
happened urnitive process to have the words partisan symmetry in
our laws. Most states leave it much more open, and

(01:22:16):
the judge said that it is up to the legislature's
discretion to define partisan symmetry. She listed that in her order,
and that was in many of our eyes an invitation
that we need to give some more clarification of what
partisan symmetry is. So Senator Grammar and represent of Thurston
did a full academic review and literature review of what's

(01:22:37):
out there and landed on three different tests which prop
Forward does ask that we use the best data and
statistical analysis available, So we'll be the ensemble test, the
mean average, mean median average test, as well as the
partisan bias test. So those are three different tests that

(01:22:58):
in essence, a're trying to measure is this map drawn
in a way that a person will win based off
the voters, or is this map drawn away that the
map's influencing the outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Well, Representative, do you have a one real quick? I
want to go back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
I want to I want your the legislative branch that
I used to be a member of, to go back
to what Texas is doing in terms of redistricting, what
Florida is doing for theirs, what Ohio is doing for theirs,
what Missouri is doing for their is even what California
is doing. Where the legislature really decides all these things
and you're not you're not jumping through hoops for judges.
Is there anything going forward that would look to restore
your separate equal power, which I think has been lessened

(01:23:35):
by this whole thing.

Speaker 10 (01:23:37):
Absolutely. So this plays into a larger issue the Supreme
Court where they have said that the legislature does not
have the ability to alter or reform an initiative, but
any statute that we passed in the legislature, any law
I pass, any legislator can open a bill file up
the next session to amend it, enhance it, or change it.

(01:23:58):
And so obviously reviewing, is there any way the legislature
can retain its legislative authority and also reassert itself. The judiciary,
I would argue, right now is peaning outside of the
lines in that there is nowhere in statute or in
the Constitution that says a judge gets to pick a map.
And so it's even you know, we're right now, we

(01:24:20):
are going out of our way to comply with this.
But this is historic in what she is doing and
what she is asking. We have never had the situation
with our maps before.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Representative of No, you had a long day, You've done
a lot of work on this. Thank you very much
for joining us. Thank you so much. I know it's
been long thank you, congratulations for not being congratulations for
not being a square bear. Yes it hurt you use
an example at all.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
That is Date Representative Candice Bergie joined us on our
newsmaker line talking about this redistrict team map. All right,
some final thoughts coming your way on this Monday edition
of the Robin greggil And Talk Radio one oh five
nine k n R S. I know you probably have
never been to one of these stores, but a lot
of people have, including my wife several times of their
grandchildren a build a Bear store. Yeah, you know, to

(01:25:11):
build a Bears. I know of them. Yeah, but you
haven't been yet. Wait till the grandchildren come. You'll you'll,
you'll pay, your wife will be there on the ally.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Still exist by the time I have grandkids. I mean,
I ye, malls. I think malls are so archaic. Really,
it's so like Stavenger Hunt. You're there to hunt down
things and look for it just seems for me and
I'm an old head and I don't even want to
go hunt for things inside of a building. I just
would rather have social media tell me what I like
and say yes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
See yeah they don't like that. Yeah, feels so impersonal.
I just don't want to go hunting, but it's not food.
I got to hunt for it. Well, the story out
of tuck Willa, Washington like that, the name always have
tuck Willa Heavy. McCormick sixty visited a Build a Bear

(01:26:02):
store in the South Mall with friends to create a
special teddy bear in memory of Charlie Kirk. Right. Kirk
has inspired McCormick for years. She told the local station
King five up there in Seattle. So she dressed the
bear in a suit, a red tie and filled out
a birther ticket and the then they were going to

(01:26:22):
have a name put on the teddy bear. The Build
a Bear. The name to request was Charlie Kirk. The
store refused to do so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah, yeah, man, I'm just glad I live here. I
don't think that would be an issue here in Utah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Surprise surprise, Seattle, big surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Right, Well, Starbucks learned when they wanted Charlie Kirk coffee,
and they they changed that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
They've changed that now they're right. We'll get a heart too.
All right, you win one million dollars in the lottery,
what would you do? I don't know. I can't go
online and by every gadget out there. I know you
how much I need more in a mill do you?
Oh yeah, if you're gonna win the lottery, I hope
you win more than a million. Those lottery amounts are

(01:27:10):
a lot. Now, well, there is a forklift driver in Britain.
He turned into a millionaire overnight. He suffered a life
threatening healthcare after months of non stop partying.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Oh yeah, there's actually stories where a lot of those
people that win a lot of money, they lose it all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
He's thirty nine years old. His name is Adam Lopez.
He went from having nearly only seventeen dollars in his
bank to having over one point three million on the hand,
so he decided to party. By September, Lopez was back
in the back of an ambulance suffering from a bilateral
pulmonary embolism. He just partied too much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Yeah, yeah, they don't know what to do with that
kind of that kind of money.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Yeah, just ruined himself. Yeah, he said he was burning
the candle on both ends. Never stopped. Yep, well don't
don't don't. It allowed me to live a bit of
life I never lived. But I think I went the
wrong way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Yeah you think, Yeah, well maybe I wonder how much
of it's left after all that that the bocher.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Isn't saying this story doesn't say in the story.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Well, like I said, a lot of them go broke. Yeah,
they do that till they have no money left.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
He was hospitalized in a Norfolk, Norwich hospital for eight
and a half days, calling the ordeal a kick up
the backside. Yeah it is. It's a wake up call.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Pal.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
If you still have any money left and you're still
you know, yeah, you're not room temperature, then shape up.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
He said. I couldn't walk, I couldn't breathe. I rang
the ambulance. I got wheeled into the ambulance from my house.
And the biggest life changing thing I had was laying
on the back of an ambulance and hearing the sirens. Jeez,
he just partied too much.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Yeah. I wouldn't do that, but I'd have fun. Yeah yeah,
but yeah, have a great time. You would too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
I take a trip of a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Your your quality of life would improve if I may,
if I won the lottery, because I would be very generous.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Why you wouldn't be here, wouldn't you work?

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Oh? Yeah, I still work. I'm lucky to do things
I already love.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Yeah, that's true. Wouldn't improve your golf game. You could
spend a million dollars. So we don't even know. I've
been golfing. You haven't seen me golf lately. I'm golfing great. Yeah,
I don't know. We'll be back tomorrow. I'll head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and
this great country of ours. Have a good evening. We'll
be back on

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