The Rod and Greg Show: Reaction to Tremonton Police Tragedy; Back to School Mental Health

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I also hope you had a great weekend. Is a
busy weekend for me in the Hughes home. We had
a lot we were doing. And how was your weekend?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
My weekend was fine. Good tough week though for some
families in Tremont.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yeah, you know. We start off.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
They've identified the two officers who were killed in a
domestic violence call around shortly after nine o'clock last night.
The officers have been identified at Sergeant Lee Sorenson and
Officer Erica Strata. Flags in the state, of course have
been ordered to be flown at half staff in Sorensen's
and Estrata's honor, and a procession is about to begin, Greg.

(00:34):
They will take the bodies from the Medical Examiner's office
not far from where we are in Taylorsville, and they'll
take it up to Tremont and there and to logan
I understand. And the public has been asked to attend
that procession tonight, Greg in line line the streets and
the roads to show their support for the officers. Tough

(00:55):
life for these for these folks each and every day,
and I've said this a million times, I don't know
how they leave home each and every day, not knowing
if they're going to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's it's it's an incredibly sad story that's unfolding and
the processions.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Going, I think even right now, yeah, just about to start.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
And and look there was another deputy sheriff that was
a shot, so there was and a canine that so
there was three shots. Two have tragically been killed by
their you know, by the shots. And I got to
tell you that it's not like a moment like this
in law enforcement where domestic violence disputes, they are on
high alert. This isn't a this isn't a traffic stop,
This isn't a surprise. You don't think it would come

(01:32):
to this, or you'd hope it wouldn't, but this wouldn't
be an example of law enforcement maybe caught on their
heels or not aware that this is someone that was
deranged and had decided to commit violence. And there and
they're they're responding to a nine on one call, and
so it's a it's an absolutely tragic story. And you
know what happens next where you see our community come together,

(01:54):
and how we acknowledge these moments and what happens I
think is important for us as a society that believes
in the rule of law and needs our laws enforced,
and we depend on men and women in law enforcement
to be those people to go to those moments where
people down nine one one in there in need. And
so I think it's important that we all recognize this

(02:15):
for what it is, in the sacrifice at ease all
these officers but their families. It's a different type of job.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
It sure is.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
And you talk to any officer, Greg and I know
you interact with them because you represent the sheriffs, you know,
the one well, they don't like going on any calls.
I mean, they wish we all were peaceful people, but
the fact that they're called to go to domestic violence situations,
and that's what this one was. It was prompted as
there is Apparently there were a number of calls made

(02:41):
to nine to one one prior to this, and they
kept on hanging up, you know, nine to one one,
they'd hang up, nine to one, they'd hang up. And officers,
of course, are doing their job, doing the job that
we asked them to do to protect us, and they
went to this home and then tragedies struck. But you
talk to any police officer out there. They absolutely hate
going to domestic violence calls, but they know it's their

(03:02):
duty and that's what they do, even though they are
oftentimes very dangerous.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Often, I mean, I think it would be almost always
the case alcohol, drugs, something's involved, that's that's taken, adults
who who are now fighting, and the in conflict that
has gotten to the point where someone has called the police,
neighbor or someone inside the home. The hang ups are
issue because someone might be trying to attempt to reach
out for help and someone else is hanging up that

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and so there's just a lot you know, you if
it's nine one one calls, but you're not they're being
hung up, that's not that's actually signed that there could
be something wrong as well. So yeah, those are those
are really dangerous moments that the law enforcement's asked to
call it and too frequent. I mean, it's again, it's
it's not random active violence. These are ones where the

(03:48):
you know when you're driving up that there's something wrong
or potentially wrong. The chances of danger a lot higher
in those moments.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, And what I find interesting about this story, Greg,
is that after the uh, the person responsible for this
shot and killed the two officers and shot at a
third officer injuring that officer. He's in fair condition. I
think he's been released from the hospital or will be
very very shortly in the canine. They'll check it overnight
to make sure the canine is okay. But there was
a bystander, greg who was able to talk this guy down, yeah,

(04:18):
you know, and was able to get him to drop
his gun, and that to me is a I'm not
sure what the relationship was. I'm told it was a neighbor,
but a neighbor got to this guy and was able
to talk him down to drop his weapon and to
you know, to allow officers to get in there and
take charge of this because there were officers all over

(04:40):
that area and Tremont is not a very big town,
very nice town. I think the department is the size
of about twenty one people, so it's a small police department,
and you know, police were responding and somehow this neighbor,
I don't know what was said or how he was
able to do it, but he was able to talk
him down and get this guy to drop the gun
and to allow police to come in. That's amazing to me.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, And as we're following news reports this is that
there's been trouble in this very home in the past.
There was an arrest made on domestic violence and but
the charge of assault was dropped subsequent to that and
then but yeah, you know, and I would imagine that's
because the spouse decided the pers the female that decided

(05:24):
to not pursue it. But yeah, when you have prior
issues at that home too, that just elevates the I
just I just think, again, so tragic because I'm sure
these officers did not come unprepared. I'm sure they were.
They were on alert and were ready to respond to
that issue as it required, as they is it duty calls.

(05:45):
But if someone is that crazy or that deranged, there's
nothing you could do well.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And I would imagine, Greg, the police officers go through
a lot of training for this, ye, but every I
would think they do. I mean, you may have a
better handle on this than I would working with the sheriffs,
But I would think they go through training. But every
situation is so different. I don't know if there's any
training that could protect officers from this.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
You know, And oftentimes, because you can't sort out who's
making what accusation, you're just actually taking everyone in and
because there's you know, there's marks on people, and there's
things that have happened that you're not picking the you know,
you might not be able to clearly discern who's the
aggressor because there's been a fight. And so then everybody's
getting taken in, which then nobody's happy about, which then

(06:29):
elevates the tension and the and the increase for violence
even more when you're trying to sort it out and
you're taking everyone in. So it is of all the
things that law and women in law enforcement do, this
is probably the tough the moment that you have that
you're trying to prepare for. And even then, as we've learned,
as we've seen last night, after everything you do some

(06:50):
of it, you can't avoid it, you can't.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, and the officers again I've been identified as Sergeant
Lee Sorenson and Officer Eric Estrada, both with the Tremont
and Police Department. Esson, we'll get underway leaving the State
Medical Examiner's office, which is typical. They have to bring
the bodies in and have been examined, and they will
take that long ride up to Treemont and Garland and
the public officials there are asking people in that area

(07:14):
to come out on the street. You know where the
route is, and it's along the main streets in those communities,
and come out and show your support for these officers
and especially their families now who've got to be today
just dealing with an unbelievable situation.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
It is.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And again I'm glad that as a society, as a community,
as a state, those roads get closed and that procession
goes where they need to go, and people do line
those streets and show their respect.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, it's per We're lucky we have them.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, we are.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
We are all right, and we'll follow that throughout the
day today here on the Rod and Gregg Shows, new
information comes out, we get more details. I know, Jason
in the newsroom and stay on top of it and
we'll talk about it as well, right here on the
Rod and Gregg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one O
five to nine, Kate and rs. It is the Rod
and Gregg Show. Well, let's get to the l just
out of Washington and the summit on seeking a peace

(08:03):
deal between Russia and Ukraine. Word coming out of Washington
at this moment, the meetium between President Trump and Ukrainian
President Zolensky has ended in a post on truth social
The President has said that he has arranged a meeting
now between Zolensky and Russian President Putin as the next
step in the peace process. What's your take on everything

(08:26):
that's gone on over the weekend, rg.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
So, I think it.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know, everybody, the media, the regi media did everything
in their power to make the exchange between Putin and
Trump in Alaska sound like it was a failure. They
wanted you to believe that there was nothing good that
came of it, nothing positive. Well, we're learning today as
you're seeing leaders of the European Union leaders coming together Zelenski,

(08:49):
there there's some a you see some cromaraderie amongst these
European leaders with the President and who is Zelenski, which
we know has been icy in the past, and you're
starting to see them coalesce around again. Other the comment
that was made I believed by the German Chancellor that
Donald Trump is allowed for a pathway forward. It's clear
now that when when he was saying there are some

(09:10):
security guarantees that have been agreed to in concept, this
is a major move. This is a major opening for
them to find peace, and it's being taken that way.
So my take is, as much as everyone wanted to
say that that meeting in Alaska amounted to nothing, what
we're hearing, at least in terms of aspirational because look,

(09:31):
we can someone could accuse me of reading too much
into it, but man, we've seen them all yell at
each other in that moment, right, We've seen Zelenski in
the White House in that meeting with with JD. Vans
and the President didn't go well. So we're seeing a
very different tone, a very different mindset, and we're seeing
some very positive comments coming out of that. So President

(09:51):
makes a very good point. Thought, at the end of
the day, it's up to them. I'm trying as hard
as I can my level best to create an atmosphere
because I want everyone. I don't want anyone to die.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
He just wants the killing to stop. What he wants
to stop.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, And what's coming back, what's pinging back from these
European leaders and including the lists, he is the desire
to do the same. Yeah, And that's something that's very
different than I think we've heard in the past.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, I think two things happened over the one that
really impressed me. And I tell you what, Greg, Marco
Rubio is becoming a star in this administration. He went,
he went on every one of the Sunday morning talk
shows ABC, CBS, NBC, right and took ridiculous questions from
from the moderator. It's they're saying, well, why can't you,

(10:33):
why can't you get a peace deal right now? You know,
he said, look, this is a process. The most ridiculous
question that he asked or he was asked, and I
can't remember if it was on Face the Nation or
with with ABC. Margaret Brennan, Yeah, ask him, well, what
about the color of the carpet. Doesn't that doesn't that
mean that you support Russian President Vladimir Margaret? Yeah, yeah,

(10:58):
And he didn't care, and he said, come on, there's
more too. So I think that that that was just
really good work on the part of Marco Ruby over
the weekend. I think he shot down all those talk
show hosts. And then the other one, Greg NPR breaking news.
Critical documents to the meeting were left on a fact
machine in Alaska. You know what they were. There were

(11:18):
some phone numbers for government officials in the lunch menu. Yeah,
that was it. I know that those were the critical
documents left.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
There's no version of if they if they struck peace,
the media regime media would tell you that it's a
secret deal that's going to hurt everybody. There's no version
of what he does that they'll ever share with the
public in a positive light. But one of the things
that Margaret Brennan, I just imagine her with all her
leftist friends and they just come up with this blathered
like these contrived ideas. She asked him as a premise,

(11:48):
Mark Secretary Rubio, Well, the European leaders have to come
as reinforcement for Zelenski, so you don't bully him.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
And Mark Secretary Rubio look at her and said, what
who are you talking talking about.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
We invited every one of these leaders here, We've been
talking and speaking with all of them. There's no reinforcements
for bullying this. Your entire premise is false.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, she comes up.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
She bakes into her questions the rantings of Trump derangement
syndrome victims that get together and just you know, foam
at the mouth to each other about how much they
hate Trump, and she actually formulates it into the premise
of a question to our secretary of state. It is
beyond the pale, and I'm so glad he is not.
I think he's very firm in correcting the record with
her and others, and I think that's the time we

(12:33):
live in. You got to correct the record and say
that's a contrived, false narrative and foundation foundation to your question.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, agreat And the great thing that he and others
are doing they don't get rattled by this, Yeah, Marco
Rubi will remained very calm. He said, let me set
the record straight for you as to what's going on here,
and others have done that in this administration. So the media,
as hard as they try, Greg cannot seem to rattle

(12:59):
these guys. And that's where I think the strength of
Rubio over the weekend. He just simply answered the question, said,
your narrative here is wrong. Let me explain this to you,
and you really just kind of shoot him down, which
is rather entertaining.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
What I have the quick quick that that Trump made
to the German chancellor about how good he looked. H
I just think that you're not gonna hear a lot
of presidents in moments like this in the future. But
I think this is a tell listen to this just quick,
just quick from the President's it's so Trump. But I
think it gives you the kind of the atmosphere in
which these leaders are working in very much.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
You look great with your tan. What'd you get that?

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I want to I want to get that.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Okay, how much fun has been made of Trump and
his tan over the years, so he brings it up today.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
So again, you're not gonna I don't think in these
high stakes negotiations for peace that you're gonna have a
moment like because he's such a unique leader. Trump is,
but that is not a meeting where you have a
bunch of people that it's just brinkmanship and that and
that people are angry and they're mad. There is these
leaders are coming together, and I do think that they
are pointing to Trump trying to create a lane where

(14:04):
some agreements can be arrived at and we'll see. Everything's
in the details. I get it. But I think they
have moved closer to the death stopping and the war
ceasing with his efforts right now than they've ever been
since this started what three.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Years ago, Well, I think that was the Chancellor of Germany,
who said that during the meeting today, we have never
been this close in what three and a half years
that this war has been going on. And you're right,
he's everyone says, well, Trump's got to make the deal. No,
Zelensky and Putin have got to make the deal. Trump
is just the facilitator. So it's really up to these
two men to come to a deal. And that's all

(14:37):
Trump is trying to do is get these men in
the same room, see if they can find common ground
and bring peace to the world. And that's what he
that's his goal. Like he keeps on sane, I'm tired
of seeing people die on both guys.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
The psychology of that role of being I'm going to
help bring side together versus a Lindsey Graham who's clearly
on one side and just wants more Yeah, in my opinion, Yeah,
and democratic, and you have a lot of people that
just have there on a side and want a certain outcome.
What Trump is doing is saying, we need the war
to end, we need peace, we need this to stop,
and I'm going to facilitate that. And I'm and I

(15:14):
think that that's when they asked him, what would you
say the Ukrainian people said, I'd tell I don't want
you to die. I love the people, but I also
love Russian people. I don't want Russian people to die.
A president who doesn't want people to die, period is
about the most statesman like thing to express to the
press that you're going to hear. But the regime media
won't digest it that way.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
No, they won't.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
All right, We've got a lot to get to today.
When we come back on the rod in Greg Chill,
we'll talk about social capital in Utah. That's coming up
on talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
So when I was a public servant and representative community
like Draper, we had some tragic Yes, we had a
police officer who I actually knew when he was in
Sunday School as a kid, and uh, you know, and
so I knew him when I was a public servant.
And then we had some firefighters that went to California
to help persistent a wildfire that one was tragically, tragically killed.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
So you get this role.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
You actually are participating in this a little bit more
than the average public. But what you get to see
in those moments, whether it's the processions or the funerals
or all those things. Is you do see this pouring
out of love and support from the community, and you
see it from advantage point that you don't always see.
And I think those are those are the moments where
you know that in Utah at least we do we
do want they appreciate those our first responders and public

(16:26):
servants that protect our safety. And then when horrible things
like this happen, we do want their families and those
they know that we support them.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
We'll be following that for you throughout the afternoon. Now,
let's talk about social capital. There is a brand new
study out that says social capital is the key to
a bright American future. Joining us on our Newsmager line
right now to talk more about that as Sean Tigan,
he's president of the Utah Foundation. Sean, thanks for joining
us on the show this afternoon. Identify or define what

(16:57):
social capital really.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Is, simply put, the way we as individuals and groups
of us here in Utah and across the world, use
networks and social connections to benefit themselves, like their own
household economics, but also their communities. So like the the
quality of life that people generally have in the communities

(17:19):
and maybe the economics of those communities as well.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
So again let's get but let's drill down a little
closer that that social capital is that is that just
being a good neighbor, is that is that the networking
of business opportunities between people within a community. Is that
your chamber of commerce? What does some of that look like?

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Yeah, it's all of those things. You know, when we
look at social capital, we look at it in a
few ways. One is bonding social capital, and that's bonding like,
for instance, you bring up our neighbors. We're bonding with
our neighbors. We have something in common we live in
the same neighborhood. Or perhaps we get to a church
in the neighborhood and we have something in common with
those folks. We all kind of tend to in charch.

(18:00):
We believe roughly the same things in terms of in
terms of religious religiousosity. But it also is things like
bridging social capital, where it's where maybe I go to
an event that other people that maybe aren't quite like me,
we all go to an event together and we have
something in common there. Maybe it's sports. We go watch

(18:21):
a hockey team and then we meet up and maybe
learn a few things about ourselves and maybe perhaps somebody
I talked to says, hey, I get a job off
opening for you. You should come. You should come check
this out, and that benefits my household in that way
in terms of poshold economics. And then the last one
is linking, and that's where you were talking about chambers
of commerce, where you have an organization an entity that's

(18:45):
doing something in order to do some of that bridging
social capital. And maybe they're doing that in order to,
like chambers of commerce, benefit a community by helping with
the economics around the community.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
There Sean, how did I get a sense that Utah
has been pretty good at this in the past, and
I wonder how we're doing right now? And I'm talking
about civic participation. Are Utahn's involved in civic participation at
a high level? Are we down? What have you found out?

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, so we've done pretty well in terms of participation
in the past, and in fact, when you look generally
at social capital, we did this project in twenty twenty
one and Utah was at the top of the list.
We're not every year, but it just so happens that
in that year we were going around counting how great
Utah was in terms of social capital, but in terms
of civic participation. You know, in the past we were

(19:36):
pretty bad. We didn't get to the poll booths very much.
But we've improved on that a bit over the past decade.
And then in this iteration, this most recent iteration of
the Social Capital Project here at the Utah Foundation, we
flipped a little bit. Another area that we measure in
terms of civic participation is when we attend meetings. So
if we attend to public meeting, whether that's like a

(19:58):
community council or city council meeting, or school board or
whatever the.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Case may be.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
We used to be almost at the top of the nation,
and we're still pretty darn good, but we've slipped on
that quite a bit in the last four years. You know,
it's still in terms of the civic participation, we're doing all right.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
So there was a book that came out a long
time ago called Coming Apart and I and if if
I were to bottom line, it was saying that our
church congregations had people of very different socioeconomic status. So
when you went to church, and we're not talking about
the predominant faith in Utah, we're just talking about a nation.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
That is church going.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Where you go to church, you know where, whatever that
faith may be, but you go there and you're getting
to know people that are just in different circumstances than
you are. Your ability for your feet to be touching
a factory floor was much much higher. You fast forward
to today, church attendance has dropped, at least nationally, that
the interaction with people whose lives are very different than

(20:53):
yours is becoming less and less. Do you see that
as a factor. Do you think that a more secular
United States harms the social capital?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (21:05):
In fact, so that's not in We haven't really I'll
give you a little background here in terms of the
Social Capital Project, because seven reports that that kind of religiosity,
that going to church and getting out into the community
like that is a big deal. We haven't gotten we
haven't released those data from this iteration of the project yet,
but it's it's a huge deal. And in fact, you know,

(21:26):
it's interesting somebody from Brookings just came around to do
a tour about more in line with like social mobility
and whatnot. And one of the things that we do
so well in Utah is, you know, we attend church.
We volunteer quite a bit. We have those sorts of activities,
and I think that that's one of the reasons why
perhaps we're doing relatively well in terms of like this

(21:50):
polarization and what versus really the rest of the nation.
We're a little bit perhaps more homogeneous, but we also
just get out there and participate in the community bit more,
which is why you know, in part we found you
know four years ago that social capital was was you
tell us at the top of the nation. Because because
of some of those things you're bringing up about how

(22:10):
maybe we have some touch points with the broader community
that we sort ourselves all the time. We sort ourselves
by the by social media that we pay attention to,
by the radio station we pay attention to, or whatever
the case may be. And I think that that that
is one way. This getting into church is one way
to overcome some of that.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Nice plug on the radio station. We appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Thank you having smart people when all the smart people
on this is the station.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
So you're in the right place.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Sean, let me ask you this question. If we improve
in our social capital, what does it do for the state.
Because I think reg and I touched on a story
within the last couple of weeks is that America is
becoming more a nation of homebodies. We don't get out
and interact with people the way we used to. Maybe
we're doing it on social media. But if we improve

(22:56):
the social capital, how does that benefit the state?

Speaker 5 (23:00):
You know, a whole host of different ways. And that's
a very important question, like the why behind this whole thing,
And I think really things like better health, it's things
like improved educational outcomes. It's economic mobility, it's economic development
for the state. It has to do with efficiency in government.
Do you have better resource allocation, you have less reliance

(23:22):
perhaps on government services, or at least more efficient efficiently
getting to those government services. You've got a better disaster resilience.
I mean, there's a whole host of different things that
social capital ties into. And you know, honestly, one of
these things about social capital is like social capital is
a lot of stuff. It's not quite everything, but it's
a big picture that looks at a lot of different

(23:42):
things in the community and has a lot of impacts
in a lot of different ways. And it's really hard
to measure. That's why we take thirty plus indicators or
across these seven categories to kind of help figure it out.

Speaker 7 (23:52):
But it.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Involves a lot, and it can really have an impact
on a lot of different things. And end of the day,
I think what it all comes down to is quality
of life in a thriving community.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
On our newsmaker line. Sean Tigan with the Utah Foundation.
More coming up on the Rodd and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Canna Rights.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
All Right, some big news in the media today. MSNBC
apparently is no longer I know it is sad.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
If the Trump sad moment doesn't have another trophy to
put up on the wall. If it's not DEI going away.
If it isn't the border is safe. If we can
now say that MSNBC. NBC is officially asked, Hey, can
you get earn An NBC out of your name please? Yeah,
we'd like to just go ahead and separate. I mean
it's not just a name change. They are separating their newsroom. Yeah,

(24:40):
they are getting NBC is running for the hills away
from MSNBC.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Where do you think this leaves people like Rachel Maddow?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I hope in the poorhouse is where I hope it
leads or I don't know, but I don't make mistake,
no mistake. This isn't just a rebranding. This is a
severing of ties of a newsroom. NBC does not want
to be carrying that albatross around a nick any longer.
They don't want to be part of MSNBC. So now
they're going to be ms now, which I think what

(25:10):
a governor Sarah Huckeby said stands for no one watching.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
My source, no one watching.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, my source, no one watching.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Now the real name is that my source news, Opinion
and world. But she says, my my source, no one watching.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, which is better.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's it's amazing to watch the media do this, this
intellectual yoga. They get, they can, they can somehow say
that Trump is unsuccessful in his in his efforts to
try to find peace and find some negative narrative. And
then they take the NBC saying, get out of our way.
We don't want to be anywhere near you as positive.
That's a positive thing, all.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Right, More to come.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Second hour, they're rodding Greg Show on its way right
here on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine. Man,
all right, stay with us. A subject that we have
been well aware of people have asked us. We've had
a few listeners say, hey, when are you going to
talk about Stuart.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Adams, President of the Senate, State Center.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
President of the Senate. He has been the center of
a public debate and controversy. Basically claimed, you know this
what some people are saying, that he used his influence
as president of the Utah Senate to get a new
law pass that helped a family member.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yes, well, that's.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
The media narrative that's out there. I don't believe that.
I don't think you do either. I think what happens.
What happens here is lawmakers are constantly asked to respond
to constituent needs. He was aware of a situation. He
went to another state lawmaker said look into this. That
lawmaker found some issues with a current law. They approved

(26:48):
House Bill I think it was two thirteen. And now
he's taking a lot of heat for this, claiming he
put undue influence on lawmakers to approve this, which is
wrong in my.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Opinion, No one, no his He looked the bill that
was passed has to was related to how a senior,
an eighteen year old that's still in high school, how
the law would uh, how a penalty if you were
to have contact with a with a minor another miner,
what would be the what would be the penalty there

(27:18):
if it was Uh, I was not forcible. It was
and there they were. There was no forced or or
you know, issues like that. I don't want to I'm
avoiding the word consent because you can't consent when you're
a minor.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
So I'm not taught.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
But I'm saying it wasn't a cry, it wasn't forced upon,
or they weren't attacked anything like that. We're talking about
a relationship that happened that they that they both Nobody
was the you know, being forced that issue. What I've been,
what I've watched, and what I've listened to, I'm not
I the person, the relative of this Senate president has

(27:51):
been tried. UH it has been wrested, UH been given
a second degree felony, is serving a penalty for doing it.
And I don't know that that individual needs to be retried.
In the media now without knowing who it is beyond
the individual that this happened to, the family, members of
the president. President's family have been harassed and people because

(28:13):
they didn't know who it was, started to just broadly
go after family members. I have no appetite to try
any individual who's already gone through the criminal justice process publicly,
you know here, so we can all flog and throw
stones whatever we want to do. But as we've spoken
about this, you and I, if we'd like to talk
about policy and about what this policy was looking to

(28:36):
do or what happened, let's go.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, and the issue is, Greg, what people need to
understand is this law, when passed, could not be applied retroactively.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
So the individual involved in this, who happened to be
a relative of President Adams was not impacted by this
could not be because it was not applied retroactively. The
law was brought up during the court proceedings and then
it was discussed, but that's all it went. And President Adams,

(29:09):
according to the stories, did not weigh in on this,
did not exert any influence on this. But that's what
he's accused of doing. But the broader issue that we
want to talk to people about today, Greg and opened
up the phones. You and I have had quite a
discussion on this.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
When an individual boy or girl goes to high school
their senior year and they're seventeen years old, and during
that year they turn eighteen and they do something wrong,
seriously wrong, morally, legally, legally, you name it. Because they
turned eighteen, even though they're still a senior in high school,

(29:45):
are they considered an adult?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
That's the issue.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Fast answer, folks, is that our laws are all over
the book, all place on. This is not a simple
answer of yes, they are adults, because we have and
we can give examples of where that's not the case
if they're.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Still in high school.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Just say this so that no one needs, we don't
need to correct the record in terms of it was
brought up in the sentencing phase of this individual that
the law had changed, Yes, okay, but the plea bargain okay,
or what someone's charged with and then what they please
so they don't have a hearing, but they plead. This
exists in jurisprudence and in court proceedings every single day,

(30:20):
on every single case. You know, pleeing down from a
first degree feennty to a second degree filting, which, by
the way, the entire bill it was passed, would have
made it a third degree penalty violations penerly, the third
degree felty, which this isn't this is a second degree.
But there it is stated that the existence of that
bill having passed was a factor or was considered when

(30:43):
looking the plea bargain. All I'll say to that is,
if anyone tells me that what charge what you are
initially charged with, plea bargains don't exist, and nothing's ever
been charged from a higher charge if you plead guilty
to a lower charge. Of course this goes on. And
what she pled that with the child, with the person
pled down to was not It was higher than what

(31:05):
the bill passed in terms of a third degree fault.
Me it led to a second degree. So I'm aware that,
and I'm aware that you know they brought up that
this law changed to try and to find what a
seventeen eighteen year old senior in high school is. And
that's what we're talking about, a seventeen or eighteen year
old senior. We're not talking about, you know, what is
good or not good with thirteen year olds, because I'm
against everything that would harm or put a thirteen year

(31:27):
old in harm's way. There's no I'm not conceiving. I'm
not saying any of that is good. But that issue,
it was brought up. But what what I watch and
I just shake my head out is if anyone thinks
that there are charging documents that when you do a plea,
you don't plea to a lower offense. That's what happens
every single day, and that's what happened in that case.

(31:48):
So that individual, that family member of President Adams went
through that process, that legal process, was found guilty, served sentence,
did all that they're supposed to.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
And I'm not.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
And so if we want to talk about that seventeen
eighteen year old and what that means, it's it is.
It is an issue because we this state doesn't know
what an eighteen year old is. Yeah, I mean, we
have different opinions on different circumstances.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
And that's a real question. I mean, I go back
to what I said at the beginning. You're seventeen years old,
you're in your senior year, okay. Sometime during that year
you turn eighteen, okay, and after you turn eighteen you're
doing something really dumb and stupid. Now all of a sudden,
you're considered an adult even though you are still in

(32:30):
high school. And that's where the confusion exists. And I think,
did this law try and figure that out if they
even could. Yeah, you know what I mean, because at eighteen,
this senior and if convicted of a crime, a sex crime,
could be on the sex offender list for the rest
of their lives.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And this bill that you know is the center of
this controversy involving President Adams tended from what I understand
Greg Gay, the judge an option or another consideration that
that person wouldn't go on the sex offender list.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Is that am my reason that it doesn't have to
be a fur It doesn't have to be treated like
if you were thirty five years old and was doing
the same thing that if you're a senior in high
school seventeen or a senior in high school. The argument
is that that is that can be a juvenile crime,
or that the same penalties to the seventeen year old.
If you were seventeen on one day and I turned
eighteen October thirteenth, my senior year, the penalties for doing

(33:29):
it on the twelfth of October for me and the
thirteenth of October for me could be in the same
realm and not forced or anything. By the way, the
bill that pass was not retroactive it did not require
any action in the past, but you do have an issue,
and we have them where there's a lot of other
circumstances where an eighteen year old is not considered an
adult free. I mean you still there's still things that

(33:52):
they can't You can't have a relationship with a teacher. Now,
if you're an eighteen year old and you're an adult
by the law, and the law is a bright line,
you're an adult. Now, why do we have laws that
it would still be considered a rape on a child
if the eighteen year old's still in high school?

Speaker 4 (34:06):
We have other laws.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
We have child support payments that if someone is paying
child support and their child turns eighteen, you are still
in child Do you know, if they're still in high school,
you do you do all that?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
If they're out of high school and they're eighteen, you don't.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Have to, you don't.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
So, but the point is the eighteen does not have
a bright line, because if they're seventeen turning eighteen, but
they're still in high school, the parent that's providing child
support still must provide child support while that that student
is a senior.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
So this is where this issue gets, you know, weird.
It does.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
And I would just say that even when I was
Speaker of the House, I had a constituent come to
me with an issue that was similar in terms of
where how the law defines some of these things. And Folks,
it's not like you just get to create a brand
new law that takes on a situation by itself. We
have statutory structure that deals with this many many times,
and there's not I don't know the lawmaker who doesn't

(34:58):
have a constituent, a law hobbyists themselves, they experienced something
come to them with an issue that you have to
sort out that's within existing law. And this change which
was brought up in the Senate hearings and the House hearings,
which this was part of a bill, when brought up
on the floor of both the Senate and the House
as specifically on this bill, this is one of those

(35:19):
situations where they were trying to find better clarification. I
agree with the clarification. I've always had a problem with
eighteen year olds. We don't know what in the world.
We're not going to let them drink, We're gonna not
let them wear a helt. They have to wear a
helmet when they ride a bike a motorcycle. They can
only do you take the helmet off when they're twenty one.
We are all over the map about the definition of.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
An eighteen an adult.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
Who's it?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, And I think if you're eighteen and you're in
high school, I think that I think that one day
birthday is a little bit of a jump.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
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(36:07):
joining us, we're talking getting your thoughts and Greg and
I have had quite a discussion on this today about
the situation involving the President of the Utah Senate, Stuart Adams,
and apparently claims that he influenced a bill. We aren't
talking so much about that story, but the issue of
eighteen year olds in high school. When they go into
high school, they're only seventeen, they turn eighteen, they commit

(36:29):
a crime, and all of a sudden, they go from
being a juvenile to an adult and the penalties are
much more severe. And is that fair? Is that the
right thing to do?

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
And what makes it sticky is that if it were
just a clean cut, if you're eighteen, doesn't matter if
you're in high school or not, you are an adult.
You can do the things legally that an adult can do,
and you can be charged for the crimes that adult
would be charged from charged with. Then we have nothing
to talk about here. All we're talking about is if
we think that eighteen year olds really are adults or not.

(37:00):
It's where it gets gray when you have a bunch
of laws that say, oh, their frontal lobe isn't developed enough,
they're actually still if they're in high school, they're still minors.
This is why they can't drink. This is why they
can't do you know, have a have to wear a
motorcycle helmet too, if they're going to drive motorcycle. This
is why parents that are paying child support still have

(37:20):
to pay child support for that eighteen year old and
that's a senior because they are still under the you know,
the guardianship of their other parent, and you need to
pay the money. There's no clear line. And when we
say there's no clear line, then where we get into
this hard discussion is where is that line where they're adult?
I frankly don't think eighteen year olds are adult. I
think I'll say it better if you just picked an

(37:42):
age and you just said from that moment on, you're
an adult and all adult consequences, but all adult you know,
authority is given to that person. I'd say, fine, pick
that age, because we don't. And I used to go
to college campuses and say, you want to know why
there's no straight face reason why a lawmaker will tell
you that you're eighteen you're an adult sometimes and you're.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Consider a child other film other times.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
But no one will ever deal with it because none
of you, No, there's not enough of you voting or
holding on their feet to the fire where and then
you age out, and once you age out, you don't
care anymore. So this is a This is that place
that I think is hard. We've dealt with it before.
There are laws on the books, not newly created, but
laws to try and navigate that very issue. And this

(38:25):
is where those laws, this was looked at going forward,
not retroactively, and then again I want to say, then
go to the phones.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
When we talk about.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Plea bargains happens, Yes, ninety one percent of all charges.
Forget about what the topic result in a plea bargain.
So to say a first degree filony was was pled
down to a second degree felony. That sounds like what
plea bargains actually do generally.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
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Speaker 3 (39:01):
We go.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
We speak with Gene in Salt Lake City tonight. Geane,
how are you welcome to the Rodden Graig Show.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
I'm doing good. The thirteen year old was a boy
and the seventeen eighteen year old was a girl. Yes,
I believe that if it had been reversed, if the
older person has been a boy, she would have gotten
the book thrown at him. He's have jail time and
be a sex offender. I think that's just the way
things play out.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, I agree that's the way things play out, but
I don't think it should be that way. Well, if
you guys, actually, if you've broken the law, then you've broken.
I have the same emotion that Jean does, and that's
why I would like to see it. But I would
tell you that a first degree filmy, even when those
genders are reversed, are plaied down, that does happen.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
I mean, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
And again, there's some crimes that I think if we
were to talk about on here, we would not call
a class A misdemeanor that are class A misdemeanors. And
I'm going to tell you that again, not to justify anything,
but to say what gene is, what our color just expressed.
I feel the same way, Okay, I do, but the
law doesn't. The law looks at these things and they
do plead down from one first degree fennalty to a

(40:07):
second which sec second degree feunty is not a small crime.
That's a that's a significant penalty.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
There's there's been you know, there's there was jail time.
There's five hundred days of helfs arrest with an ankle
monitor on. There's things like that. I don't think anybody
got a slide on this.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
No, I don't think either.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
But I do think that if people think there's something
wrong with this situation. What we're really talking about is
this eighteen year old but still a senior in high school.
What are we talking about here? And this is where
it gets.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
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Speaker 4 (40:52):
No you didn't.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
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Hel Ray got me doing that one day, said you
just said Idaho Radio App?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Did you really? I did? Made a mistake. I get
him confused?

Speaker 1 (41:07):
You made mistakes? Yeah, I should catch those more. I
wish I could catch those more. I could remind you.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh, I have a long list of yours, but I
know I don't share. You have asked me so many
times not to share information you provide to me, and
I honor that request for.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
The most That is such a twisted way to say it.
I've asked you to quit narking me out when we're
having casual conversations. That is totally different way.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, but your your your your discussion points are so
interesting and then asked me to nark. You not to
nark to this program. Yeah, but they're pretty entertaining, all right,
if you're just joining us. We're talking about this bill
approved by Utah lawmakers, and it's the debate over when
is a seventeen year old or eighteen year old an adult?

(41:50):
I guess when they turn eighteen.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
According to the law, in many instances, in eighteen year
old's an adult, but there are cases where there's examples
where that is not the case that they are specifically
not considered an adult at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Okay, if they're eighteen, but they're still in high school,
are they considered an adult here in the state.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Of Utah in certain circumstances. It's not a yes or no.
It's not a yes or no.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
That's that is the challenge to me.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
And this is why this issue just is very difficult
for me having watched all this play out. It's why
it's not easy to talk about because that that is
eighteen an adult. That should be yes or no, but
it's not. Because we consider a student in high school.
When you're eighteen and you're in high school, there are meant,
there's situations where you could be considered an adult, you

(42:40):
can vote, but you can't. But there's others where you
are under the guardianship of your parents, and a lot
of other rules as a minor would apply to that
high school student without regard to them turning eighteen in
that high school senior year. I just I just think
the way what you had and all what they're trying
to do is just put some consistency to how this

(43:01):
is being dealt with with these high school students. Generally,
you just got to pick that age and that age
has to be consistent across the board and quit making
it circumstantial.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
That's the key. Sure, ye make it consistent. Let's go
to the talkback line Suit. A few of our listeners
are saying about this today.

Speaker 9 (43:22):
My son was involved in a similar situation and went
through a court process and because the dad was upset
over the age difference and when he ended up almost
being charged with telonies, but but they were reduced to
misdemeanors fortunately, but he carries that still.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
And that's the point that you make, Greg. You know,
a lot of these cases are pled down about what
ninety percent of the time, all these all cases.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
So imagine when you're talking about when you get into
this realm, the charging documents and what you would what
you would plead to to avoid a trial and plead
guilty to. It's happening nine times out of ten. It
is happening on all charges, including those related to this
situation here. So for someone to say that the original
charge of a first degree felony was brought to a

(44:17):
second degree felony and a bill that passed would have
made it a third degree, not a second, but the
second degree was what was pled to, I'm sorry that mean,
I mean that is what happens in just jurisprudencing court cases,
is that they plead If they're going to plead guilty,
they plead down. That's why, what the so that circumstance.
As much as they're trying to make it scandalous, what

(44:39):
I'm here to tell you, folks is what the big
issue is is we don't know as a state, a community,
a legislature, what an eighteen year old is.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
We have too many different examples of too many different
ways you are considered a minor or you're considered an adult.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Back to the talk back line, Alan and Taylorsville.

Speaker 10 (45:00):
Whach for adulthood needs to be consistent across all laws,
whether it's a felony, misdemeanor, voting age, buying a handgun,
serving in the military, drinking age.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Make it all the same.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
And that's what you were just saying, and I agree
with you on that. Make it the same.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
And I'm saying, make it eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one fifty.
You can be up to twenty six years old and
be on your parents' healthcare.

Speaker 8 (45:27):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Okay, before you have to go.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Out there the into the dangerous wide world of health
care and get your own insurance, you can be on
your parents health care till twenty six. Make the age
of adulthood one age. Make it consistent across the board.
And we're not having this conversation right now. We're not
having it, but we have it because we have this
gray area. And I'm telling you it's I've never liked this,
if anyone knows me, in my time of so, I

(45:51):
used to rail on this all the time. I used
to go to college campuses and taunt the I'd ask,
who are the eighteen, nineteen and twenty year old? Raise
your hand. You know you're you're a second class citizen.
You know you are. You know why because sometimes the
state thinks you're an adult, and other times the things
should they don't. And the only reason why we can't
explain it, we can't justify it. The only reason it
doesn't change is that there's not enough of your voting

(46:11):
or coming up to the legislature to change it. And
then you age out of it, and then you don't
care anymore. There is a glaring problem with how we
decide what an adult.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
How do we clarify it? Look, do we make it consistent?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Let me let me just ask rhetorical questions. Okay, let's
make eighteen the adult age. You're ready to let everyone
go to the bar at eighteen in high school? Eighteen
eighteen is the law. Now they're adult in.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Many states that used to where I grew up in
upstate New York. When I grew up New York state,
eighteen was the legal drinking.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
If changed and drinking.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And you know, if you think that an eighteen year
old in a high school should not be able to
do that, then you're telling me you think that that's
not the age of adulthood.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Now we're.

Speaker 8 (46:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
So if someone's being tried as an adult.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
In a case like this, we're gonna it's been our
that you're going to look at that being a senior
in high school, being in high school has is relevant
to the to the sentencing. And so again, if someone
thinks that that you should be able to, you know,
do things that adults do when you're still in high
school at the age of eighteen, then you're telling me

(47:17):
you think eighteen is the agent. I could at least
live with it if it was consistently applied. But if
you're saying no to that hypothetical, then what is it
nineteen or is it twenty or twenty one.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Twenty one? But if whatever that age is, it's twenty.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
One, then make that the age where we decide that
adult is an adult, and that's that's it.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
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oh eight zero ones er. We're talking about the age
of eighteen. When you turn eighteen, does that mean you're
automatically an adult. Well awesome cases, yes, and in some cases.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
No, So if you're in the military, because I think
that many members of the military would feel this way.
If you were if you entered the military and once
upon entering at eighteen, you felt that you were treated
as an adult the entire time, then it's pretty intuitive
for someone that was eighteen and entered the military that
eighteen is the age where you can be considered an adult.
But here's where it gets complicated in our state and

(48:20):
broader society. If that's true, then our liquor laws should
also apply.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
To yeah, yeah, okay, and any other law, and any
other law which you've got to be twenty one.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I mean, I lost my mind.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I was there when we told eighteen, nineteen twenty year
old you have to wear a helmet until you're twenty one.
Then you can decide whether you want to wear a
helmet or not. And I'm thinking to myself, why and well,
the frontal lobe is not yet eighteen, and there's still
a child and there's still a child. Well, again, the
members of the military will say, if you stick a
gun in your hand and send you overseas to fight

(48:50):
a war, there's a lot you're taking on. Sounds like
an adult to me. But whatever that age is, it
needs to be uniformly accepted as this is the age
of an adult. And when you don't agree, this is
the problem you get into.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Is this one right now?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Now?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I heard a long time ago. This impacted me down
in Texas years ago. If John to school, there were
friends of mine whose father was in the military, Okay,
they could go on the military base and get a
drink because they had clubs, they had dance clubs. I
don't know if that's still the case today or not.
I'm wonder if I doubt it. I would kind of
doubt it because if you're in a state where the

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drinking age is twenty one, at military base, cannot say
you can drink at eighteen. But I think he used
to be a rule. I think I'm just you know,
as my warped memory or it calls now.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I'm old enough that I remember when Wyoming was eighteen
and if you were at a friend who went to
Rick's College from Pittsburgh, and he called me and he.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Said, you will never believe you can go over there.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
You can go to Wyoming and they serve you up
a drink in a real eighteen You can drink booze
in Wyoming.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
And he was just shocked.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
And I had never heard of such a thing because
I am in Pennsylvania, which is, you know, a drinking
town with a football problem. So we do they you know,
Pittsburgh does love that it's drinking. But it's twenty one.
And I thought, eighteen, You've got to be kidney me.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
But it used to be that.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
And then what I think they did federally is they
started to withhold federal highway films until all states got
to twenty one.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Well, if that's the age, then that's the age.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
That's the age.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, you know, and nobody wants to Nobody wants to
do that. They just want to They want to jump
around on what that age is or what it isn't.
And then this is where the ambiguity start and the
confusion begins. And look, I want it to be fair
and even handed, and I will, we want and I
would at this point, I'd say pick the age and
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Unless it's too old, then I'm like, give me a break.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Here's a comment from a talkback listener.

Speaker 7 (50:42):
I've read the news on this issue and talk to
people who understand it better than I do. It sure
has me thinking that things aren't always what they see.
The only undue influence that I see here is that
the prosecutor was willing to offer a plea deal. When

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they would offer a plea deal nine times out of
ten in the same situation, why didn't they offer the
plea deal? Could it be who her grandfather was?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Interesting question?

Speaker 4 (51:11):
I've heard that the for the the plea deal.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
A plea deal is so part Again, nine out of
ten cases are pled just out of course, it doesn't
matter the topic.

Speaker 8 (51:23):
It is.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Nine ninety one percent of court cases brought there's a
plea deal, you will be pled down. So the fact
that there wasn't one, I've heard all the commentary there.
What I've tried to stay away from is that what
I don't think is the accurate description of what happened there,
And I think our the callback caller was exactly right.
There's always more details to this. I just know this.

(51:44):
If I'm sitting in the if I'm sitting where you are, folks,
and I'm listening to any discussion that would try to
convince me that a thirteen year old should be able
to have, you know, carnal knowledge.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I don't want to hear it. It's Epstein Island. I
don't want to hear one word about it. And it's
it's it puts, its off putting. And we're tired of
kids that are getting attacked and there's no consequence. That's
where I'm at. I'm personally there, I have, but I've
been a lawmaker and I know how these processes work
and what we're really talking about. This person who was charged,

(52:18):
got charged and served I think a second degree felony
and all the penalties attached.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
I think it's about being eighteen. That's that's the issue
that brought this to head.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
All right, mare coming out the third hour the Rodd
and Greg Show on its way for you to talk
radio one oh five nine and al right nine districts
including Davis from which my grandchildren they all headed off
to all heads off to school today. Their moms are rejoicing.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yes, as they should.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
It's liberation Day's different.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Libert nothing like the rug rats back into school. So
schools are getting back in session. It's that time of year,
if you can believe that or not. I saw this
story a couple of days ago, it's been around that
school children in grades three through twelve in the state
of Illinois will be screened for mental health starting in
twenty twenty seven under legislation signed by the Governor JB. Pritzker,

(53:15):
who's a bit of a nut job in my opinion.
But I've screening for mental health. I don't know how
that would be achieved. Greg, I'm not sure how that
would work.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I don't either, But I mean it should we be
understanding what kids are going through and have it bad?
I sure it sounds it sounds conceptually like a good idea.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Sure. Should we know someone who might be able to
lend some Well, someone.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Who's done a lot of work in this area is
a state representative, Steve Elison, who's joining us on our
any hour Newsmaker line right now. Steve, how are you
welcome back to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Great?

Speaker 8 (53:49):
Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Guys, Representative, I know you were. You've been talking about
some new initiatives, new programs that the schools will have
at their disposal this year when it comes to the
issue of mental health. Explain what schools now can do
or have an option of doing.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 11 (54:07):
It's a very timely topic. We know that once kids
are back in school that the mental health issues often escalate.
We know the bullying increases, relationship issues, academic pressure, We
see an influx of children into emergency rooms. And the

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good news though, is that the state a lot of
this under At the time Speakers hues leadership the state
is put in place. Before I get to that, though,
I'd like to talk about something you all just touched on,
which is mental health screenings, which is legislation that we've
passed in Utah and we have about ninety percent of

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our school districts doing this now, probably a little bit
different than Illinois. Ours is completely voluntary. In fact, there
has to be written parental consent to do it, and
typically it's done you know, after school hours, that kind
of like a parent night with written parntal consent, and

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they have to partner with a local community health mental
health provider. And in the past two years we've screened
over sixteen thousand children and about half of those kids
have been referred to either in school resources with their
counseling center or to clinically based mental health resources. Now,
just to kind of you know, challenge the thinking a

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little bit. If you think about it, when we were kids,
they march us down to the gymnasium and they screen
us for vision.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
They would give us hearing tests.

Speaker 11 (55:43):
There's some schools that's screened for scoliosis or even dental screenings.
But if you add all the issues together that we
screened for in schools and have for decades, none of
those issues take children's lives in Utah. Suicide is the
eating cause of death for our children. And we know
that depression anxiety are real issues that are quite easily

(56:06):
identified if they're screened for. And most mental health issues
emerge during the adolescent years, So the sooner those issues
can be identified and treated, the outcomes are so so
much better. So the top resource that I put on
the list, just in terms of what we were just
talking about, our mental health screens, something that we've had

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around for a long time. Of course citizen US is
very familiar with, is Safe ut This is a program
that any parent or child can download and that gives
them twenty four access to a licensed clinical social worker
at the Hunt and Mental Health Institute. They can do

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it anonymously. It's always confidential. There's two parts of safe
UTEA one, students can tip send in safety tips. This
might be about a friend who's considering suicide, or maybe
a student who's planning to bring a gun to school.
We've gotten a lot of tips like that in and
been able to foil some very scary school safety situations.

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So they can send these anonymous tips in. But the
other part of the app is a crisis chat where
they can speak with this either on the phone or
through the chat in the safe ut app speak with
the crisis counselor. Over the past three years, on average,
we have about a million back and forth conversations every

(57:34):
school year every year between students and clinicians. What a
lot of people don't know is safe ut is for
parents also. They can download it, they say, I'm a parent.
They can chat anytime with these crisis social workers that
can just give them advice on maybe some signs they're
seen in their kids that give them cause for concern.

(57:57):
And so that's a free resource. Something that just kicked
off that very few people know about is we now
have a youth crisis receiving center in Salt Lake County.
Any base in the state is welcome to use it.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
It's basically like a.

Speaker 11 (58:14):
Twenty four to seven emergency room for youth mental health issues,
so they can avoid the costly bill of going to
the emergency room that is at the Hunts and Mental
Health Institute. Inner Mountain Healthcare is opening up a similar
facility on September sixth in Taylorsville. So those are going
to be great resources for parents that have a child
in crisis where they normally might take them to an

(58:37):
emergency room, take them to a crisis receiving center. One
other thing I'll just mention we two lessings. We have
youth protection seminars that we've had for probably twelve years
in the state. Every district pretty much offers those. That's
a kind of back to school night only for issues

(58:57):
that parents should be aware of, and they there are
lots of resources there so they can contact their local
district to find out about those. And probably one of
the last things I'll mention, there's one easy thing that
every family with children, every family is that matter, but
particularly every family's children can do and if they would
do this one thing, it would cut our use suicide

(59:19):
rate in half, probably overnight, and that is to safely
secure their firearms people like myself own firearms to protect
our family. But statistically, if somebody in the family dies
from a firearm, it's going to be that firearm, and
it's going to probably be suicide. And too many people

(59:40):
learn about that after it's too late. So trigger locks
are readily available, biometric safe, lots of things we can do.
It just takes a few minutes to protect our kids.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
We're speaking with Representative Stevevie. Listen.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
He's a long, long serving lawmaker. I served with you.
You actually sat me down and helped me understand the
magnitude of this issue. I had young kids at the
time where life is changing. Social media has a larger
part in it. You're a CPA. You love numbers, You're
a You're just a numbers cruncher.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
You love math.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I think I heard you say a million conversations. My
head's having a hard time getting around that number, so
maybe I misheard it. But if you are like you are,
you are highly knowledgeable in this issue. You have fought
for kids and for these mental health issues that really
are growing. I would love to know our return on investment.
I'd like to know what we've how we've how you

(01:00:33):
how how the state has moved the dial to protect kids.
Even by statistic your numbers that million conversations numbered or
stat shakes me. I think maybe I heard you wrong.
But just share with our listeners. Give us some return
on investment on what's happening that we should be pretty
grateful for.

Speaker 11 (01:00:51):
Yeah, those are great questions, Greg. So the million conversations
that that's a thread. So you just said something, I
said something that would be two threads, so it's parts
of conversations. Nevertheless, it's still a lot of communication. Here's
the really good news. And I just looked at this
data today from the Eutou Medical Examiner. Just in the

(01:01:12):
past two years, are use suicide rate is down forty percent.
If you go back over the past six years, it's
down about twenty percent. So we can calculate, you know,
the investment that the state has put into these resources.
But you know it's the return on investment is priceless

(01:01:33):
because there I firmly believe many youth of life today
because of these programs and awareness. You know, it's up
to parents to protect their children. We tried to provide
those resources and education so parents can play that critical
role with helping their children. For these difficult times, but
there is no offenser. But's about it. We have seen

(01:01:53):
significant return in investment on these efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Representative, final question for you, All these programs at yell
Line sound like terrific programs. Are you confident though, that
word and the availability of these programs is getting out
to everybody in the state of Utah or does more
work need to be done in that regard?

Speaker 11 (01:02:15):
We need to do a lot more. I was on
a plane not long ago, sit next to a doctor
and teacher who were married going to a conference, and
I was going to speak at a conference on these issues.
They didn't know what nine eight eight was. They didn't
know what safe ut was. I'm like, just another reminder. Oh,
we got to keep getting the word out. So I
appreciate you letting me talk about these things today. We

(01:02:35):
need to continue to make parents aware of these things
because they're out there and there's so many wonderful people
willing to help if parents can just get connected with them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Doing a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Representative, Can I share a funny story about Representative listen?
I know I just want to do this to embarrassing.
Are you right here?

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
I live?

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
This is my day, this is what I live with now,
so we care watch out right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
So every January first, there was a large retail store
in this in this city that would have a big
sale on all kinds of clothing. So I go to
it looking for things, and I run into representative. You listen,
I swear he must have had fifteen white shirts in
his arms?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Is that right? Rebid?

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
I representative, this man's a CPA.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
You know how many fifteen white shirts did.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
You put in that pocket?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
It starts sustained, this man needs his white shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I'm not lying, am I?

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Greg backed me up.

Speaker 11 (01:03:29):
Rod exaggerates there was no way that many white shirts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I yes, thank you. He's so exaggerates you had too.
Probably he said fifty.

Speaker 11 (01:03:38):
It's so I probably had double that number on brand
for Rod.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Thank you, representatives, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
All right, all representative. We appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I think it was fifteen, not fifty, but he had
lower white shirts, and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
That somehow resonates with me a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I want me exaggerated.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Yes, yes, I think I've never I think I've read that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
All right, more coming up on the Roden Greg Show.
Were you excited to go back to school?

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
You were? I know it's a long time ago for you,
but it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Was the most depressing day of the frame. I remember
first day of school. I looked up on a piece
I saw, I looked at the teacher's wall and said,
I love that. I love that school today because it's
one day closer to summer vacation. I remember reading that
on the first day of school, saying, I am not
I couldn't be further away from summer vacation than I
am today. The first day of school, it was no, no,

(01:04:24):
this is a very well you weren't a school again,
somber and sad day. You weren't at school a guy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
No, I was a jail. It was like I was.
I was literally going to jail.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
I thought it was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
No, I never did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah I did, But I went to a one room school.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
You know when when K through twelve is all taught
by you know, miss missus Jones, you know in the
in the in the schoolhouse.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
That's a experience.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Yeah. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
We're getting some more information by the way of these
two police officers who were shot and killed in that
domestic violence incident last night up there in Tree Muntain.
The two officers had been identic as Sergeant Lee Sorenson,
he's fifty six year old, and Officer Eric Estrada, who
is thirty one. And there's more information coming out about

(01:05:09):
these two officers. Sergeant Sorenson seventeen years of experience in
law enforcement, sixteen of which were with a Garland police department.
He was awarded the Distinguished Service Award in February of
this year by the Tremontin Fire Department for his dedication, support, professionalism,
and commitment in assisting fire and EMS units during incidents.

(01:05:31):
He and his wife, Lynette also received Garland City's Wheeland
Award in twenty twenty, which recognizes those who have significantly
impacted the city. He had recently been promoted with this
greg to the role of sergeant. He was to be
sworn in on this coming Friday. Yeah, tough one and
then let's see, let me go back. I just lost this.

(01:05:53):
Wanted to get this and now I can't find it
on Estrada. But a young man who has served very
well over the years and it's moved around. Officers do that,
but have found a home in Treemontin and was serving
in that police department there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's a somber moment. Again,
I just think, you know, if you have to glass
half full, I just love Utah. I love our communities
and how people rally around one another in moments like this.
And again, you know, there's a lot of moments where
people in their jobs may may be killed and and tragically,
but our law and order and our ability to to

(01:06:30):
see you know, lawlessness quelled and public safety protected.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
It isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
It doesn't just happen by itself, as we well know,
and as we talk about on this program, and so
those that dedicate their lives and their careers to that,
we owe it a gratitude towards and I think I
think you're seeing it right now as people are mourning
for these officers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
All right, when we come back, we'll talk more about
violence against law enforcement here in the country today. That's
coming up on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine an rs. We've been
talking throughout the day today about the tragedy that took
place last night shortly after nine o'clock in Tremont, Utah,
where two officers were shot and killed responding to a
domestic violence case. And we've got more information on Officer Estrata,

(01:07:13):
Eric Ostratta, he was one of those was killed. We
shared information earlier on the other officer. Estrada started his
career in law enforcement with the Logan Police Department in
twenty seventeen. His career included Tuston, serving in the box
Helder County Sheriff's Office, at the jail, and as a
patrol officer and a detective at the North Park Police Department.

(01:07:35):
He joined the Tremont Department earlier this year, where he
served as a line officer. Tragic news today, yep, early sad. Well,
let's talk right now about violence being directed toward law enforcement.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is Lieutenant
Randy Sutton. He is the founder of the Wounded Blue.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line, Lieutenant, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
Well, I appreciate you guys having me on this. Terb
terribly said occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, what what do you? What are your thoughts on this?
Two officers responding to a domestic violence situation in a
small town in northern Utah tream On, Utah, and both
are dead tonight as a result of responding to that
what are your thoughts on this.

Speaker 8 (01:08:16):
Well, first I want to say to the family of
Sergeant Lee Sorenson and Austar Erica Strata that my heart
goes out to you. The grief that the law enforcement
community feels is I can tell you is is shocking.
Every officer across America is feeling the pain. They all

(01:08:38):
know that they're but for the grace of God go on.
And these two officers gave their lives in the line
of do disturbing their community. And what it really demonstrates
it doesn't matter whether you are in the biggest city
of this nation, but you are in a small community
by Treamenton. The dangers are there every single day. Every

(01:08:59):
time you put that uniform on, you're risking your life.
And it's this is this is a terribly sad occasion.
It brings to light the dangers that officers face every
single day. Across America. We have seen an incredible surge

(01:09:22):
in attacks against law enforcement officers physical assaults. I mean,
it's so demonstrably it's so demonstrably increased that let me
let me say this, five years ago, we saw about
a thousand police officers physically attacked in the line of duty.
Last year, eighty nine thousand were shot, stabbed, beaten, run over,

(01:09:47):
hit with bricks, physically assaulted. That's an astounding increase the
number of officers killed in the line of duty, the
old the you know, we're about one hundred and fifty,
you know, per year year. It's it's astounding. And and this, this
tragic set of circumstances could bring home to everyone in

(01:10:09):
America the service and sacrifice of those who have chosen
the law enforcement profession.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
So what you're bringing up is so true, and we're
seeing this, and I would argue that nationally, there's even
a narrative where there's somehow, some justification to obstructing or
being physical with members of law enforcement, be a federal law,
law enforcement agents, or even law enforcement agents of any jurisdiction.

(01:10:39):
The domestic violence call last night where these officers were killed,
that's an inherent that's kind of you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
You train for that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
You know, this is a very dangerous situation that you're
responding to. But how do members of law enforcement respond
in the climate we're in right now where where it
seems as acceptable to many to obstruct or touch or
interfere with the duties that law enforcement and are trying
to perform to enforce the law. Is this something that's
that's top of mind, that's being spoken about amongst law

(01:11:07):
enforcement members of law enforcement or are we just do
we just need to start speaking up ourselves more about it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:14):
No, we do need to start speaking up. You know,
my organization, The Wounded Blue, we're a national charity that's
helped more than sixteen thousand American law enforcement ulsters who've
been injured either physically or psychologically in the line of duty.
We live this every single day. I hear the tragic
stories every single day. And here and here's a shocking
here's a shocking fact that many police officers, once they

(01:11:37):
become severely injured in the line of duty, are simply
thrown away by the very cities and counties and states
that they served. It's shocking. If people go to my website,
the Wounded Blue dot org, see who we are, see
what we do, You'll be You'll be shocked. The number

(01:11:59):
of ups are killed has remained somewhat steady over the
last couple of years only because the the the medical
community has has you know, there's there's trauma surgeons, there's
trauma centers. There are you know, the the technology vests

(01:12:21):
have you know, ballistic vests have improved, they have helped
the mortality rate, but the but the injury rate is
astoundingly increased. And so but you're you're you said something
that you asked. The question is the is the law
enforcement community addressing it? The law enforcement leadership community is

(01:12:45):
really not addressing it. I've seen, I've seen the political
games that are often played at the levels of the
administrations that literally put the officers' lives in jeopardy by

(01:13:05):
many of these. In fact, my new book just came out,
Rescuing nine one one, The Fight for America Safety, where
I discussed this very topic because what's happening in leadership,
political leadership as well as law enforcement leadership is that
they are endangering the lives of their officers by not
providing the proper training to survive a law enforcement career.

(01:13:30):
They have they have they have attached woke framing, and
and so that is usurping the the time and availability
of the of the training that could literally save their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Lieutenant Sudden, I have a question for you some Yeah,
I have a question for you, Lieutenant What goes through
the mind of a law enforcement officer when they are
called upon to read their community of crime, like we
are now asking officers in Washington, d C. To do
some something about the crime there, and instead of getting
support from the public, they get subway send which is

(01:14:06):
thrown at them. I mean, what goes through the mind
of an officer says I'm going to do this. I
know it's difficult, but this is what I signed up
for and I'm going to give it my best.

Speaker 8 (01:14:16):
Yeah. And you you you bring up a really really
important point. It is demoralizing. We are we're in a
criminal justice crisis right now that is being literally ignored
by the mainstream media and a lot of the of
the leadership of major cities across the United States. The

(01:14:38):
defunding movement, the demoralizing of law enforcement, the decriminalization of
laws that brings some teeth to actually prosecuting people who
attack law enforcement, they've been diminished. It is, it is
essentially demoralizing for law enforcement, which is why we have
a crisis right now. We have a crisis in retaining

(01:15:02):
good police officers, and we have a crisis in recruiting
good police officers. What's happening? Excuse me. What's happening is
there is now becoming a diminishment in the in the standards,
in the standards of hiring because they're trying to fill

(01:15:23):
the ranks of law enforcement. You mustn't ever do that.
This is let me tell you, law enforcement is still
the most noble professions that I know. Of The men
and women who are out there literally risking their lives
every single day, ninety nine percent of them do so
not because they're they're getting They're getting you know, these
redigious you know, huge salaries, which of course doesn't really exist.

(01:15:46):
They're there because they care. They care about their communities,
they care about the people that they serve with. And
so I'm going to for the people that are listening
to this, any law enforcement officer who's listening to this
right now, be proud of yourself, be proud of your profession,
and know that the vast majority of Americans believe in you,

(01:16:09):
trust in you, and will support you. It's the It
is the criminal minority that doesn't. And it is the
woke left, which you know, does everything they can to demoralize.
And I'll say this as well, we're holding our national
law enforcements survival summit here in Las Vegas in September.
Any police officer who has been injured in the line

(01:16:31):
of duty. This just happened the last week. The TV
show Cops is paying for any officer who's been injured
in the line of duty. They will pay for We
will waive every registration fee for any police officer who's
been injuring the line of duty or facing post traumatic
stress issues. You need only to contact me, Randy at

(01:16:55):
the Wounded Blue dot org, Randy at the Wounded Blue
dot org and you can attend this life saving conference
for free.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Lieutenant.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
That's a great offer, And thank you for your time
and your insights today.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Thank you, lieutenant, Thank you guys for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
All right on our newsmaker line, Lieutenant Randy Sutton talking
about what happened in Tremont today and the challenge challenge
really that law enforcement officers around the country are facing today.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Kind of the wounded blue it's a it's it's we
feel it more critical and more front front and center
today than ever before.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, all right, more coming up on the Roden Graag
Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS.
Your favorite pizza when you were growing up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
In Pittsburgh meat lovers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
No, but what restaurants?

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Oh, oh, what restaurant? Oh I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
I'd say, uh, what was it called? I can't recall it.
I can't remember the name right now. I just left
my brain. I used to know it it was, I
can't remember it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
That's now I'm going to be bothered.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I how I remember because I went to school with
the owner's daughter. Oh the name of the restaurant, what
good Irish name? Tardelli'sis yeah, good Italian and they made
great pizza.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
By the way, what is of the restaurant at the
pizza place?

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Don't worry about It's just sign of age. I'm gonna
remember it, shall we say? Rest In Peedes to one
former football player Colin Kaepernick, no, please, you love this.
Apparently they were putting together a documentary. Spike Lee was
involved in this of the color Kaepernick story. Guess what
ESPN said? Yeah, no, thanks. Apparently there were differences about

(01:18:33):
the content of the documentary, and ESPN has told Colin
Kaepernick and Spike Lee to see you later.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Not interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
You know, I've never seen an NFL player throw a
bigger fit about getting benched than him. That this we're
going on over ten years of him still throwing a
fit that he lost that starting day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Yeah, yeah, amazing. You want to feel good story for
the day. Sure, Minnesota fast food employee, he walked four
miles each day to his job a dairy queen and
CHAPOLTI never took a day off. Great guy, right, gifted
a car. Oh that's someone gave him a car. Rodolfo Depose,
a cashier in Minnesota, is cruising style in his own

(01:19:13):
two thousand buick century after community to both of his
jobs on foot for over three years, never missed a day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I was just trying to search for my pee pizza place.
I just can't find it. I can't believe I don't
remember it. Well obviously so much pizza.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
I mean there's a million pizza places.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
In Pittsburgh, million, and where you and I are from,
there are pizza places and sub shops.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
All over the place.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Hogies ogies, Yeah, never called them a sub We called
them a hogy hoies.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Now they're being used against federal officers in DC.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Yeah. Now they're throwing a foot long fellon.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
The hog hurler.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Yeah, it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
It is all right, That does it for us tonight,
As we say each and every night, head up, shoulders back, man,
God bless you and your family. Back together again. Another
full week citing stuff going on, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
It's all kinding.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
We didn't even get into the Trump and Nasoniski and
European leaders meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
It'll be tough to talk about that.

Speaker 8 (01:20:11):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
We'll be with you again tomorrow at four to join Instent.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Have a good ev

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