The Rod and Greg Show: Reaction to ICE Arrest at SLC Airport; Why Tariff Inflation Scare is Dead

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have a lot of momentum happening on the government
shutdown against the Democrats, and you know, you get there's
some great things to share there. There's all kinds, even
even Obamacare and some of the issues and the scam
that's going on in terms of how we can't afford
what it is that the Democrats want to pay for,
and illegal immigrants and their healthcare.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
There's just a lot there.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
What do you pick first?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, let me can we start off on this story?
Abby just reported this story. You and I were just
commenting on this about this guy up in Davis County.
I believe he's a Ogden resident who's driving down Highway
eighty nine and throwing puppies. We puppies went, they're horrible.
Can we take this guy, string him up by his toes,

(00:44):
It'll all take a shot at him with a bb gun.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'll tell you what, I think. People will get more upset.
Sat Maybe this isn't the right thing, but man, you
mess with people's dogs, you mess with puppies, you messed
with dogs. People get incredibly angry, more so than if
you talk about the evening homicides in Chicago. That's one
thing we don't like it. But boy, you start throwing
puppies out the window, I can't even say it without
being disgusted. That guy needs he needs to be thrown

(01:08):
out of a window. You know that. I'm just saying,
just you get as good as you get.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean you you have dogs. I do. I love
the dollar. We don't have one now, but our children
all have dogs. We had dogs, be it a cat,
any animal, and these are little puppies, and puppies are
just adorable to begin with. But with this guy driving
down Highway eighty nine, which is commonly referred to as
the Mountain Highway up in Davis County and tossing these
little puppies out the windows, he must they must.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Have what is it they're gonna put him there's there's
got to be a guy with a what a what
a what they call it the butterfly net. I'm going
to capture him and put him in a rubber room
and put him in a straight jacket. The guy must
be out of his mind.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Man, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
A terrible one.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Two of the puppies were killed. Another puppies sustained.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Series.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Won't think about it. I'm just gonna compartmentalize and not
think of that story because.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's just it's just so disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
And then you I would expect that out of like Illinois,
you know, or or you know, somewhere in somewhere in
California near La or San Francisco, but not Here's just
sick folk.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
City. It's too bad, too bad, all right. Uh, let's
start off today. The Senate has apparently now gone home
and they will not take up the shutdown issue until
sometime next week.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, here we go. They keep voting, keep going. Democrats
keep saying no, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
It has gotten to the point today, Greg. Then now
even the Washington Post is now calling for the shutdown
to end, for the Democrats to give it up and
to reopen the government.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And and you know, I know there's been some work
on the editorial tonent of the Washington Post trying to
make it a little more attractive to general everyday Americans.
I think maybe this is part of that, in terms
of how they've reconstituted their editorial board. But I say
that it doesn't take you know, it doesn't take anyone
that's said has any common sense to say that the

(03:02):
Democrats this is a self inflicted unforced error, a crisis
of their own making. Literally, they have made this crisis
to try and leverage the American people and its misery
for their benefit and the benefit of people that are
not even citizens of this country, which is probably the
worst part of it.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, here's what the Post said today. I talked about
you know, nearly forty two million Americans will go without
food stamps as of what Saturday. No more money for
that program, the Post said today. The leverage is not
worth the potential harm that it may cause. They go
on to say, the right answer is to reopen the
government with a clean funding bill, ideally for a full year,

(03:42):
to get food stamps flowing federal workers back into the office,
and then have a debate about the ACA subsidies, the
Obama subsidies. Right, do they know what next year is.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
It's an election year, midterms.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Nothing is going to get done next year. So they're
Democrats openly acknowledge that they refuse to do this because
it would mean giving up their leverage. If they persist,
it could mean families start to go hungry. Let's put
it into it. That's the Washington Post.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, you know, and I think Secretary Vestment coming back
from the Asian trip, probably not a lot of sleep,
and so he's been salty this morning. Really had some
i think pointed words towards the Democrats in terms of
their what they're trying to do, not just with this
government shutdown, but really to try and stop this president
and his leadership. Let's have a listen.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
My theory of the case here is since President Trump
came into office, as you know, the Democrats have been
trying to stop him. They run to the circuit courts
and then the circuit courts get over ruled by the
Supreme courts. They go to the media, and the media
is not able to stop him. So what had they
done to try to stop this great economic momentum bringing

(04:54):
our country back from the four years of.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
The Biden disaster.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
They're going to shut down the government, and you know,
it's like cutting off the cutting off your nose despite
your face. They're making things worse, and.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
They are they're making things worse. As a matter of fact, today, Greg,
I know you've guessed Madio from this. Here you have
the executives of the nation's major airlines going to the
White House and say we have got to stop this.
We're putting the public in danger.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, no, it's and you had all the airlines there,
and I think that the CEO now, look, they tried
very hard to not be they're not there. He's flanked
by the Vice President Jade Vance at this press conference
and with the Transportation Secretary Duffy, you know, and really
they're all making the same statement. We have got to
get our air traffic controllers on. We've got to keep

(05:42):
business going, we got to keep being able to work.
But here's what Scott Kirby, he is the CEO of
United Airlines. This is his message to America and probably
to the Democrat senators healthcare.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
It has been thirty days. I also think it is
time to pass at clean CR. Use that as the
opportunity to get into a room behind closed doors and
negotiate hard on the real and substantive issues that the
American people want our politicians on both sides of the
aisle to solve. But let's get a clean CR and
get that negotiation done behind closed doors, without the pressure

(06:15):
and without putting the.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
American workers in the American economy at risk. I don't
think they're going to give up.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Craig.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I honestly believe the Democrats are so dug in on
this that they are not going to give up.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, and so you had you just heard, you know,
you heard Scott Bess and get upset about it. You've heard,
you've heard that. But I think that the Teamster president,
John O'Brien, he represents a million and a half Teamsters
and all their you know, they have families. He's pretty
he's pretty pointing about that. And this comes this quote

(06:47):
really comes with some political theft.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
Look the bottom line, and we took a position, I
represent one point three million working men and women in
this country for the international broad out of team Since
we took a position three weeks ago past a clean
get to the table, negotiate a deal. Do not put
working people in the middle of a problem. They should
not be in there. And we got to think about
the families that are going to be affected. Think about
when you have to tell your son and daughter they

(07:10):
can't play sports because you're not getting paid. Think about
when you can't pay a mortgage, Think about.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
When you can't pay a tuition.

Speaker 7 (07:16):
Put the politics aside, get to the table, negotiate a deal,
pass a clean cr right now, and then figure out
the problems moving forward.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
He's right on, and he brought it down to you know,
you can't go to your kids' sporting event. They can't
do this, You can't put food on the table. Why.
Because the Democrats are so dug in, and I honestly
believe they are going to give up for a while.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Still, I am shocked. I thought after the not Kings
thing they were going to they would, you know, they
would acquiesce. But they're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
No, they're not. As a matter of fact. Listen here
here's another member of commer she is a Democrat. We
have gone what thirteen times now to try and get
this done. But this woman, her name is Representative Janelle
bind Them fumbled a very simple question about the Schumer
shut down today. Let's to her response here.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
They did have a clean CR vote on September nineteenth
in the House.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Did you vote for it?

Speaker 9 (08:12):
I disagree with your characterization and want to make sure
that we're very clear about what Republicans have been doing.
Any bill that they've put forth, they've always had some
extra stuff to it. There's always been a poison pill
to it. So I disagree with your characterization.

Speaker 8 (08:28):
What were the poison pills of the clean CR or
the continuing resolution you say it's not clean that was
voted on in the House in mid September.

Speaker 9 (08:38):
Here's what's important. I think what you're trying to do
is shift the responsibility to Democrats.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
When all all fails, Greg, you do two things. You
either claim it's Donald Trump's fault or you're trying to
shift blame to the Democrats. Well, they responded.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Her answer was, there's always a poison pill in there.
So she just said, well, do tell give us what
the poison pill was, and said, oh, you're trying to
shift now, that would be you, that would be your pivot,
that would not be the person interviewing. And by the way,
when's the last time they've ever had a tough interview
by the regime media when they start, when they start
asking questions. That question wasn't even hard. All she did

(09:16):
is play off of your answer. You said, there's always
a poison pill. Tell us, okay, great, there's a poison pill.
Tell us what it is. Oh, you're trying to shift blame.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Apparently months ago when they did pass a clean CR,
there was no poison pill. This CR is exactly the
same thing where the new poison pills. Yeah, they just
they just don't know how to fight.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
They.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Like I said, Greg, they are so dug in. I
don't see how they get.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Out of this.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I don't either. I And look, it's not going unnoticed.
The American people see it. Even though I'm staring at
a Washington Post. Even though their editorial board said it's
time to reopen the government, Democrats and quit messing around,
they had to at least throw the Democrats at bones,
saying that American blames Americans blame Trump and the GOP
more than Democrat that's for the shutdown. Their poll finds.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
We'll break those numbers down a little bit later on
in this show. All Right, we've got a lot to
get to today. As we do each and every day
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on The Rotten Gregg Show. The big story over the

(10:24):
last couple of days has been the pivoting down the
part of Bill Gates when it comes to climate alarmism.
I don't know about you, but he should. He should apologize,
in my opinion, Greg, to every school child in America
today for scaring the living day likes out of them. Sure,
that's what he has done in my opinion, now and.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Every Hollywood star that didn't have anything else better to
do too.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah. Before we go to our interview, I want to
hear this sound by from Harry and our good friend
at CNN, how Americans feel about climate change.

Speaker 10 (10:54):
I think a lot of people will agree with Bill
Gates that maybe this wouldn't be the end of humanity.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
And I think, you know, we've.

Speaker 10 (11:01):
Been talking about climate change now for decades upon decades
upon decades, and the worry in terms of climate change,
simply put, hasn't shifted. It has not reached the majority
of Americans. What are we talking about greatly worried about
climate change? You go all the way back to nineteen
hundred and eighty nine, it was thirty five percent, twenty
twenty forty six percent, and in twenty twenty five, look
at that, it's forty percent, the same number as we

(11:23):
had twenty five years ago, back in twenty in two
thousand and then only just five points higher than we
had back in nineteen hundred and eighty nine. Really, we've
just seen consistency on this issue. The bottom line is
that the climate change message that folks who of course
believe that climate change is real and is quite worrisome,
simply put, has not really worked with the American people.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Joining us on our newsbager line as Sterling Burnett, Director
at the Center on Climate and the Environmental Policy at
the Heartland Institute. Sterling, thanks for joining us the Ryan
greg Show. Great to have you on today. Thank you, Sterling.

Speaker 11 (11:53):
Yes, it's good to be on again.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Sterling.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
What do you make of this and Bill Gates pivot?

Speaker 11 (11:59):
Well, first off, I think Americans recognize that not just
for twenty five years or thirty years or forty years,
climate are environmental alarmists and then morphed into climate focusing
on climates almost exclusively. They're willing to kill birds, now,
they're willing to kill bats, They're wanting to kill turtles
because it's all about climate. But before they were worried

(12:20):
about the environment. They've made predictions for over one hundred years,
one hundred years of predictions, forty years of climate predictions,
not a single one, not one has come true. Flipping
a coin would do better. So the publics are holding
You say, follow the science. The science says, no bad
things are happening. We're not getting worse flooding, We're not

(12:42):
getting worse hurricanes. The hurricanes are bad, but they've always occurred.
They're not unusual now. Wildfires are bad, but they're not unusual.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Now.

Speaker 11 (12:49):
All that's unusual is the alarmist reporting about it, and
people like Bill Gates profiteering while pushing their message. And
you know what Gates came to, I think an epiphany.
He says, Look, I've been saying this for a long time,
and I'm looking stupid. I want to play in the
in the AI game. I want to be big in

(13:10):
the AI game, and I can't do it with the
wind and solar. I've been pushing, and it's hard for
me to tell everybody else You've got to use wind
and solar. While I'm wanting to start a new nuclear plant,
or I'm wanting to use natural gas because AI doesn't
work just when the sun shines or the wind blows.

Speaker 12 (13:26):
They got to have it.

Speaker 11 (13:27):
Twenty four or seven. So he's saying, I've got to
change my message. Now. He's always been big on helping
developing countries. Now he helps him in his own way.
Rather than using DDTT co mosquitos, he'll use DDT bednets
as if people sleep in their beds all day. He'll say, oh,

(13:47):
they got to have solar, they've got to have power,
and so he'll give them solar panels that they don't
know how to operate, but not coal. But now he's saying,
look what we've learned from people to be you know,
not the two bound Horns, but from people like the
Heartland Institute. Groups like the Heartland Institute. We've been saying
for thirty years. You want to help people, make them prosperous,

(14:10):
get them rich faster. The difference between when a hurricane
hits Indonesia or Malaysia and when a hurricane hits the
United States, right, hundreds of thousands of people die there
and maybe a thousand die in flooding here, but usually
it's only a few dozen. It's not that the hurricanes
are tougher there than they are here. It's that the
infrastructure is better here. It's that we're wealthier, we're prepared better,

(14:33):
we have better recovery efforts. Yeah, and that comes with wealth.
And that's what he recognized that, that's what he finally
at me. He said, Yeah, climate's bad, but will help
more people by helping them get rich fast regardless of
what happens with the climate.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
So, Stirling, I think you're being very generous. I think
that that is a benefit of the doubt that I
don't give them. I'm gonna I'm going to throw out
a theory t and you can tell me if it
sounds applause or if you disagree. I think that Bill
Gates likes to control things. I think he wants to
socially engineer the world. I think he knows, he thinks
he's the smartest guy he knows. And I don't think

(15:10):
that it's out of compassion. I think it's out of
control or a desire to control things. And when he
thought he could control power, which would which really does
compel behavior or control human beings, it was too limited
through solar and everything else. To his horror, he found
out that his very effort of trying to limit and
maybe dole out power ever so slowly, it was going

(15:31):
to impact him. His bottom line and maybe what he
wants to do and now he has to pivot, not
because he can help people in different ways or there's
new technology that I think that his lust for power
requires him to be able to have aid requires this
much energy and he can't hold both thoughts at the
same time. But he's not his heart's not bleeding. He

(15:54):
is doing all of this because the bottom line will
be impacted if he had to even live under the
world he tried to create with limited power, and now
he's going to try and create hold you know, control
people by controlling AI and everything else. Does that Am
I being too harsh?

Speaker 11 (16:09):
Well, look, I think he's got the same problem that
a lot of very successful entrepreneurs have. They've been very
successful in one little area, and they're in that area
they are geniuses, and so because they're so smart there,
they think they're smart enough to run the rest of
the world too. Well, I've made my success here, so
clearly I'm qualified to tell everyone else how to live

(16:32):
their lives be how successful I am.

Speaker 13 (16:34):
Right, So I.

Speaker 11 (16:35):
Think it's part of your brisain ego on his part.
It is part of power ground on his part. But
I think it's also I think he does you know
he's given away being the dogs to his foundation and
he doesn't control the giving of that, So uh, I
think I think it's a combination of those factors. The
AI part is the AI part is really important. You're

(16:56):
right about that. But remember he's also losing money elsewhere.
He's invested heavily in the fake meat industry, and the
two big companies that he invested in are now trading
his penny stock after being worth billions of dollars a
few short years ago. He lost a lot of money.
He has invested in this vaccine that will make cows

(17:18):
not burth and fart, and you know what, no one
wants to eat that meat because they're afraid of the
impact of the vaccine. He's got a lot of ideas,
he's invested a lot of money in it, and he's
looted them money on all of them. And I think
he's thinking, hold it, Maybe I better pull back, rethink.
He may still be questioned for power, I've got no question,

(17:40):
I've got no doubts of that, But I think that
he's come up short so many times that he's having
to at least pause and rethink. Remember just two years ago,
just two years ago he wrote a whole book about him,
contact yea and two years later he's having to eat
crew that can't be easy for it.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
God like him, not for him. Sterling is always great
having you on the show. Thanks for a few minutes
of your time today.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Thanks, thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
All right, Sterling Burnette. He is with the Heartland Institute
talking about the pivot of one Bill Gates when it
comes to climate alarms, pivot more coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
It's all about Trump and his agenda, his leadership. Remember
that old Independence Day, Liberation Day rather when he announced
reciprocal terrort y back. Yes, it was going to be
a two way street and we are going to give
as good as we get in terms of imports exports,
and everybody lost, well, all the important people and so
called smart people lost their minds and said this is

(18:40):
going to devastate the economy and going to this guy
was going to fall. And here we sit today and
we're seeing U Trump come back from a very successful
Asian tour and a trip even with China where the
leverage of the of Liberation Day, I would are you
has borne much fruit. It has since he started and
it continues to do so to this day.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I think the inflation scare could be dead or near death.
Right now. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk
more about that. He is the finance and economic sedator
at Bright Bart His name is John Carney. John, thanks
for joining us this afternoon. All this fear of inflation
because of the tariffs is basically dead. John. What happened?

Speaker 11 (19:17):
I think one of the things that happened was that
the tariffs never really got pushed through to consumers. We
heard a lot about how the tariffs were going to
become attacks on the American people, and it hasn't happened.
Why hasn't it happened. The reason primarily has been that
a lot of the tariffs are actually being pushed back

(19:39):
onto the foreign suppliers. You have these giant retailers Walmart, Amazon,
Costco who do not want to raise prices on their consumers.
We all just went through some of the worst inflation
in forty years. They know that people do not want
to see prices start to rise rapidly again. So when
these businesses are cases of tariffs, rather than push them

(20:00):
forward onto you and I, they push them backward onto
their international suppliers, and the international suppliers don't want to
lose their market share in the US, so they say, yes, okay,
we'll find a way to cut our costs and sell
it to you cheaper. So therefore and then some of
it does get absorbed by the companies themselves, but it's

(20:22):
very little of it is actually getting passed through to consumers.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
So some you got some holdouts out there that hate
to be wrong, so they're saying, no, we're not wrong.
It's just coming any second now. You don't even know.
It's just it's teetering up there like an anvil, and
it's going to come down on us, you know. And
they're looking at their watch. Do you think this is
a delayed inflationary effect or do you think that the
enough time has passed that that theory has been put

(20:45):
to bed.

Speaker 11 (20:47):
It's a little bit become like the Waiting for goodou
where they just wait and wait and wait, know about
evidence that the tariffs aren't being passed through to US
counts as evidence that they're not going to be they
just say, it's just coming. It's going to come at
some point. And I think that that should have run out.
And because the factors that have kept them from coming

(21:09):
into consumers aren't going away. The number one factor is
that we live in a dynamic competitive economy. So if
one big store say, I'd like to use Walmart and
Target as my examples, if Walmart tries to raise its prices,
Target will advertise that they are not raising their prices,
come shop here, and everybody will go shop there. The

(21:30):
same thing happens the other way, since both companies know
that they can't raise their price because they'll lose their
customers to the other one. And that doesn't stop. There's
no there's no time period. I've heard people now say, well,
when we get to January, they'll start to do this.
But of course, but they said that when we get
to July, we'll start to do this. When we get this,

(21:52):
you know, once back to school shopping is over, we'll
start to see the prices. It keeps not happening. I
think at this point that narrative, as I said, it's
all but dead. Of course, you know, we still have
to convince the people at the Federal Reserve.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
It's dead, but it should be dead for the rest
of us.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Competition is such a good thing, isn't it. John John,
let me ask you this, John, Rather than dragging the
economy down, tariffs have actually become a colossal source of revenue,
have they not.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (22:24):
The federal government is taking in hundreds of billions of
dollars more even than the people who are putting the
tariffs in estimated. It has been a huge urse of
revenue that's bringing down the deficit, which actually then helps
bring down long term interest rates because the government will
be issuing less debt and less supply debt means that
the interest rates are lower, So it is actually helping

(22:44):
bring down long term interest rates that helps bring down
things like mortgage costs, even without.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
The Fed doing anything.

Speaker 11 (22:51):
The Fed has been cutting, but even if they weren't,
we would be seeing long term interest rates come down,
which brings down mortgage rates, which really helps people who
are worried about things like home affordability. It brings down
credit card rangs as well. So it is good that
we are seeing the deficit come down because we have
this enormous revenue resource that we haven't had before.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
You know, you just you gave a great explanation about
where where is the cost being born on these tariffs,
and you pointed to maybe the importers, those that send
it wanting to preserve a market share. My wife, Queen
Bee of the Hughes Home, she thinks that the cost
increases that we saw after COVID, where supply chains were
broken down, she did not see the prices adjust back

(23:35):
down at least in grocery shopping and the things that
she buys purchases, and so she believes that there's a
probably a healthy profit margin that along the supply chain
you could see the terraffs being absorbed. Does that resonate
with you at all?

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It does.

Speaker 11 (23:51):
I think that one of the things we're seeing is
that there actually did build up because of all that inflation,
a lot of sort of excess profits that were happening
that And when I say access profits, look a company.
I know, I'm not a socialist. The company can make
as much money as.

Speaker 14 (24:08):
It tries to do.

Speaker 11 (24:09):
But what I mean here is that they have, as
they have room, to squeeze their margins a little bit
to create more efficiencies in the way they are doing things.
And sometimes that will mean that they're making a slightly
lower profit. Sometimes it really just means making their operations
more efficient so that they can absorb this extra cost

(24:30):
rather than pass it on to the consumers.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
John is the bottom line here pretty simple, despite all
the fear about the tariffs, that tariffs are in fact working,
and President Trump is using them very effectively to try
and bring some manufacturing back to the United States. So
are they in fact working.

Speaker 11 (24:48):
They are working, and they're working not just by not
raising prices here, they're actually getting the rest of the
world to agree to open their markets to us. That
was one of the big goals that Trump said he
was going to do. Everybody said, oh, no, it's protectionism,
it will be terrible. Trump has been actually arguing that
tariffs can be a tool to lead to freer trade globally.

(25:12):
He is, and we're seeing it now on this Asia
trip where he is getting South Korea, Japan, the countries
all over Asia, Malaysia, Vietnam, saying we will open our
markets to you in to an extent that we never
have before, in order not to get rid of the tariffs,
by the way, just to bring them down to ten
or fifteen percent. And so we still end up with

(25:35):
the tariff revenue. We're still better off than we were
on those terms. And yet we also have access to
markets for products made in America that we haven't had
for a generation.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
On our newsmaker line. We've been talking with John Carney,
he's with Finance and Economics editor. Are there at Bright
Bar talking about tariffs and where did the inflation go?
Greg just simply disappear.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, the Trump derangement syndrome, regime, media and others are
just praying to see this hit anytime now. They've been
calling for it. They don't want to be wrong, they
are wrong, but yeah, yeah, it's a this president I
love not only was their margins within the exporter or
the importers that we're importing here, in the margins profit
margins that people have, which I'm a free market guy,

(26:23):
I love it. But you're not seeing they're not harming
their market share of the consumer, so we're not feeling it.
And then the leverage it creates. I mean, you're seeing
it in this Asian tour alone, which there's been so
much prior to this, but you're seeing they'll give the
America a much better deal than we've been getting prior.
But we're going to get a better deal too. These
are things that people say couldn't happen and we're seeing

(26:44):
it in real time. We better be taking inventory of.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
It, all right, More coming up on the Rod and
Greg Show on this Thursday afternoon and Talk Radio one
oh five nine cann Us.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, like the tooth fairy of current events. We
get a story that is breaking and happening at the
Salt Lake International Airport. It we've got mayor Sula City
mayor men in hallst sobbing an upset about ICE doing
their job. Apparently, folks, we've had an incident where we've
had a person who's here illegally that's been detained at
the Salt Lake International Airport and watching the video and

(27:14):
Heidi Hatch from KUTV has done a yeoman's job of
actually giving us information. We have a mayor that wants
to say it's a Utah woman, you know, not say
who it is, and we don't know anything about her
or why she was apprehended. But Heidi Hatch from KTV
has the information from ICE in terms of the circumstances
that this individual who is here in the country illegally

(27:35):
was detained and is going to be deported to El Salvador.
So we want I want to talk. I I'm citizen Hughes.
I know that was a long intro, but I am
raising my hand that i'd like to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
We'll talk about in the five o'clock hour.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Is this five o'clock yet? No?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, it's fifty Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I love this.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
I've been watching this video since i've seen it because
there's so much to pull from this video. Lots of
things in this video that I like, I'd like to share.
So I kind of lost track of the time. But yeah,
we are talking about this at the five o'clock hour.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
In other words, if we're going to put this in
plain English, Aaron Mendenhall has opened her big fat mouths
again without really understanding the facts. That's what it comes down.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
I think that's I think that's part of the course
for all of America's mayors. They just want to say
babies and what it zip ties?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, the mayor, do you know what Ice is doing?
They're throwing babies into paddy wagons and zip time them. Yeah,
flat out, verifiable lie, we said. And then and then
Aaron Mendenhall and the city council were now with their
statement trying to make this person out to be just
some victim that just got attacked unrighteously. I think this

(28:43):
is the French way of saying shut your mouth, fair
may LaBouche.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
From an arcuata no less, I think.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
That from the French that I remember. Well, we'll let
you hear what happened, because this lady just goes nuts.
And as you point out, no one's paying attention.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I can't wait to tell you about the environment in
this airport, what's going on while they're while they're there,
where they're they're enforcing the law. I've said this a lot.
If criminals are not oppressed and enforcing the law is
not oppression, No, it is not.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
And we'll get into this and get your thoughts on it.
Coming up on the Robin greg Show, our number two
right here on talk Radio one oh five nine kN
R S the wonderful, delightful Aaron Mendenol of Salt Lake
City has opened her big fat mouthing.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
She keeps saying, big fat mouth.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I think, well that's what it is, big fat mouth. Harsh.
Is it harsh?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I think it's harsh.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, it's honest. I'm being honest.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
She is.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
She is talking much like many of the mayors of America,
saying things that have no basis in the truth, trying
to find heartstrings to pull for people that don't deserve
your compassion because they are criminals. They are breaking the law,
and I've been doing it for quite some time, and
now they're the laws being enforced. Imagine that.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Imagine that. Well, apparently there was an incident at the
Salt Lake International Airport a couple of days ago at
the airport, Okay, and the mayor has now said it
is going to have a major impact on our community.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, so this might have happen a couple of days ago,
but all of the you know, the X and the
social media sphere there and Cass, I'll just put a
story out. I think it's a hitting our attention, you know,
our radar hitting it right now now. Yeah, but yeah,
I kind of kind of shared it before it went
to the break, but maybe you'd like to share what
went down.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Well, apparently the ICE agents were at the airport, the
pre screening area. A point you've got to make here
in just a minute, but apparently there was a woman
there who was in this country illegally, okay from what
we understand, right, and apparently ice A agents Ice agents
decided to arrest the woman. This is how it went down.

(30:57):
Get ready, I doesn't have it.

Speaker 15 (31:10):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Oh, have mercy on her. Have mercy on her.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Lady.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
She's in this country illegally.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
She's had a removal order that has been fully judicated.
She came in in seven from l Salvador. She's had
a all through the whole court case. And you know
some of these scams when they let them across, they
give you a court case in five years from when
you walk in the door, you know, when you get
in here. Anyway, from February nineteenth of twenty twenty, she
has been told that she has to leave. It's a
removal order of which for you know, five years plus

(31:51):
she's been ignoring. She's not followed the law. So she
was got. Now for the woman that's yelling, is show mercy.
She's a human being. May I just say, and I
think our audience will, you know, because we have a
smart audience, will understand what is merciful about letting people
break the law that many people around the world would
love the opportunity to live in the United States. See
the laws that require you to legally enter this country

(32:14):
and it's not easy and are not here because they
are endeavoring to follow the law, or the laws are
too tough they can't get in here. But someone who
breaks the law, that's who you have mercy for. Mm hmm,
I think we. I mean, there's a lot of places
where you can show mercy in this circumstance here that
would not be one.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Now, before you make your point, okay, I want to
get to that, but I want to delve into the
wisdom of our mayor.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Okay, yes, okay, because she described it, we can give
you the real deal.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
She is asking some very critical questions here you ready,
Here are the facts she's sharing with us. The arrest
occurred in the presecurity area of the airport. Okay, that's true.
The operation wasn't directed or coordinated by the Salt Lake
City Police Department. They usually don't, right.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Not ice agents. They don't enforce federal law, so that
would stand a reason.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Ye as Salt Lake City Police officer was president after
what was reported to be a.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Commotion, which you heard that woman, It certainly hits that
it was a commotion.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
She points out, like you just pointed out, the local
law enforcement is prohibited by federal law from interfering in
federal immigration efforts.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
If you federal agents are enforcing federal law, local law
enforcement cannot impede or obstruct the enforcement of federal law
by federal law.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, She goes on to say the city has out
requested more information from federal officials about the incident. In
daily city operations, when sl CPD arrests an individual for
suspicion of a crime, the individual's immigration status does not
factor into how officers handle this. That's the wisdom from

(33:53):
our mayor.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
So's October twenty ninth. That was yesterday, right, That's when
this whole thing went down.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Now, you made it interesting point about people at the airport.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
So I was just at this airport coming home. You know,
I just got back for a trip with the fam.
You know, you got all the you gotta go to
buy a baggage claim, get all the luggage and everything else.
So what I have noted in this or what I'm
noticing in this picture because I've just seen this area
of baggage claimed recently. Man, people are in a hurry.
They're trying to this area that you is the baggage
claim is also where you enter into the TSA area,

(34:24):
and you got to get in line. You got your
pre TSA check, you got clear. In this video where
this woman is straight screaming at the top of her lungs,
people are walking by. They got to go, they gotta
get in line. They are moving, people are trying to
get their luggage. They the mayor wants to make this
out to be a five alarm fire and you hear
shoe mercy. You think this is the biggest deal in
the world. The people at this airport got have places

(34:47):
to go. They're not stopping. I would argue that you
get more lookie loose on I fifteen with a flat
tire than you're getting at this airport. Right now, when
this situation is on camera being shown, people are just
why just keep seeing heads and people walking by there
someone's recording it, and then you just see people walk past, past, past,
People are walking, they're not slowing down, they're not watching her.

(35:08):
They're getting to where they got to go, and they're imagining, well,
that person must have been on the wrong side of
the low because they're getting hauled out.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, that's what I was going to say. People are
looking at Okay, police are there. She must have done
something wrong and they're arresting.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, it's not easy. I mean, the ICE agents aren't
plane clothes. But I mean doesn't phaze anybody man, these travelers.
I'll tell you this. These travelers know they got like
two miles to walk. Probably they've got so far to
walk if they're walking into that tar the air, they
have got such a far trek of their own. They're pioneered.
Gene pool is about to kick in so they can

(35:40):
get to their gate, so they can't be slowed down
by this, uh debacle or this spectacle that's going on.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, can we hear this again because I find it
very entertaining.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yes, I remember you are not hearing. I will maintain
and continue to say, if you break the law, you're
not oppressed, and enforcing the law is not oppression.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
So at the at least I to find this woman
and say she's in the country illegally, ICE agents move in.
Here's her reaction. I don't I don't know what to

(36:31):
say about it. I just think, you know, all these
people go, oh, she's a human being, show mercy on her.
She's a criminal, folks.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
He's broken the law, the law, and that's how that works.
I you know the thing that I find again, nobody
wants to. If you look at Mayor Mennon Hall and
even the Sally County the Council's statement, they they just
kind of miss all the facts. They don't tell you.
Her name or name is Marta render Rendera Olivia. She's

(37:01):
thirty nine years old. She's been here illegally since February
nineteenth of twenty twenty. She is going to be detained
by Ice and she's going to be sent back to
El Salvador. This is this information we see because we
have a reporter that's reporting it. They continue to say,
we're asking for information, we want context, we want to understand.

(37:22):
They are pushing out there a narrative and they have
a video where they are trying to show something that
looks disturbing, that looks like it could be sung if
you don't have the relevant information. The relevant information was
made available about it. At the same time, we saw
the Aaron men and me or menin all try to
make this sound like it's something it's not. It is
not something heartless, it's not something merciless. It is enforcing

(37:46):
federal law, which we should all want. We should want
all of our laws enforced, shouldn't we I mean, if
we want if we don't support lawlessness, then we want
the enforcement of law. That's kind of the gig, right.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, especially if you're you're in the cuntry illegally folks. Now,
I know the Democrats are now saying, well, you know,
it's not a criminal offense. It is not illegal to
be in this country illegally.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Oh yeah it is. Actually they can keep saying that,
you can repeat that.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
True. See, this just goes along with what we're seeing
all around the country, these stories of ICE agents going
into schools and arresting children. Yeah, that's of ICE agents
throwing babies with zip ties on and in vans into
their vans, arresting mothers. Well, let me you know, this
is just the fear factor they're trying to create, and

(38:35):
the attacks on ICE agents. The number today is up
like eight percent on ICE agents.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, it's it's and we wonder why, Well it's it's yeah,
it's it's the it's these inaccurate and really I think
inflammatory narratives that are being pushed out by people who
should know better. I mean, if she wants her, you
ever go to that airport it's it's a recording of
Aaron Menenham loop welcome to Salt Lake City. I hear
her voice the entire ten miles I have to walk

(39:02):
inside that airport. I got to hear her welcoming me.
I'm not even welcome. I don't feel welcome. I'm trying
to get out of here or trying to get home.
But you hear do this. She knows better than to
try and attach such a false narrative to this incident
that happened at the airport yesterday. And I'm just I'm
just proud of ICE agents, you know, doing this. It's
a tough job that they're doing. They have a lot

(39:23):
of people that are trying to demonize them and when
as they are trying to enforce federal law. And again,
you're not if you're a criminal, you are not the oppressed.

Speaker 13 (39:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
If you're forcing the law, that is not oppression.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
You know what I was just wondering if her welcoming
message was playing.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well, this woman was being welcome to Salt Lake City.
And if you're arrest we have on we have playing
closed ICE agents ready to greet you at the baggage claim.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
All right, we want to get your reaction to this,
the mayor jumping right into it without knowing all the facts.
Very typical eight eight eight five seven eight or a
one zero triple eight five seven o eight or a
one zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifth
and say hey rod or leave us to come in
on our talkback line by downloading the Iart radio app.
Your calls and comments coming up. And boy did she

(40:07):
throw a hitsy fit.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Boy, she was not pleased.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
You was not happy about this. Of course, our mayor
is now jumping in saying this arrest is going to
have a major impact on our community.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Man, it wasn't having a major impact on people trying
to get in that TSA line. We're trying to find
their luggage. Everybody was just kind of on a on
a high pace. They're all leaving there. I didn't see
the you know, I just didn't see the crowds. Now,
you know, maybe they were there, but the whatever, you know,
Heidi Hatch from KTV. She showed a video she recognized
to provide the videos that she could put online. But

(40:39):
the video I watched of that man, people were just
again more more lookie lose on a on a flat
tire on I fifteen than on this in this incident
last night.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
All right, let's get your reaction to it. Lines are
open to you eight eight eight five seven zero one
zero on your cell phone, dal pound two fifty or
leave us to come in on our talkback line. Let's
go to the phones. We begin in Ogden with Nathan
Tonight here on the rod in Greg show. Nathan, how
why are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Hey, guys, any types for taking that call?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
You're welcome.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah. Just listening to that quit gets my blood boiling.
I don't know about anybody else, but living in this
world where everyone feels so entitled in her screaming and
causing a scene. I just get so tired of these
guys running around causing a scene, thinking that they're they
deserve to be here. I'm just sitting here like rooting

(41:32):
for these ice ice guys because I don't know how
they have the patients to deal with this, and and
what the Salt Lake mayor is doing not shocking things
like this is just another thing the Democrats like to do,
just twist withhold information just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Well, it just gets me self sat well, what upsets me?
Nathan then thank you for your call. Is these the
these government leaders and our governor, by the way, is
very good this as well, get in online almost instantly
in saying something without having any of the facts behind him.
And that's what Aaron Mendenol did.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, and I think a little time. I mean, we
found it so quickly in terms of it being reported,
the accurate details and once you know the details and
know that she had had a deportation order, I removal
order since February nineteenth of twenty twenty. I don't know where,
I don't know how. This is a heart wrenching moment.
This is someone that's broken the law. Okay, let's go

(42:28):
back to the call. Let's go back to our colors.
Let's go to Jeff in Riverton. Jeff, welcome to the
Rotten Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Hey, thanks for.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Letting me on your radio show. Guys, just wanted to
call in.

Speaker 16 (42:39):
I was listening, yes, And I don't know the whole background.

Speaker 11 (42:42):
This is the first I've heard of the incident.

Speaker 17 (42:44):
And I don't know if if she's a drug dealer
or she just was somebody looking for a better life
and snuck into the country.

Speaker 16 (42:51):
And I'm a magot through and true.

Speaker 11 (42:54):
But when I heard the scream, and I didn't hear
somebody just.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Throwing a dizzy pit.

Speaker 11 (42:58):
I heard fear.

Speaker 16 (43:00):
And I actually kind of set.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Back that you guys would laugh at her. Well, fear
because her life is destroyed. Now she's going to get
kicked out.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
No, no, who's.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Jeff?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 12 (43:11):
Sounded like pure fear and you're laughing at her.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Well, and let me let me explain my opinion, Je, just.

Speaker 11 (43:16):
Like this is great, that's not compassion.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
That was moon.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
There's fear in her. I I like you say, you
sense fear. She's fearful because she's got to go back
to where she came from. She is in this country illegally,
she knows it, and she's got to go back there.
And and are we supposed to feel sorry for Yeah?
I did for I certainly did, Jeff. And I'll tell
you why I think that. Yeah, I don't, And I
don't think.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I think.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think your compassion is misplaced because I think what's
happening here is that because this is such a politically
volatile issue, you get to see it. But the people
that get the shoplift, the people that break other laws,
and when law enforcement comes and apprehends them. The reactions
span the gamut in terms of being afraid or upset.
If that if you were afraid of every criminal act

(44:01):
and every every law enforcement that apprehends someone who committed
a criminal act, that confuses me, because again there's consequences
to these.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
But you were mocking her by laughing at it.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Well, I do, I do think.

Speaker 17 (44:13):
I do think that the call she made a mistake.

Speaker 18 (44:16):
She's trying to get the better life.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
But yeah, she was ordered to five years ago. She
was told she was here illegal in five years.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, I know, we are reading the room, and you know,
she doesn't want to go back to the.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
She doesn't want to come go back to it, and
we're reading the room. The American people are sick and
tired of this.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, and here's and here's the fact. Okay, there are
so many people that live around this planet that would
love to come here and think that our laws apply
and that they have to follow those laws, and it
keeps them from being here. If we have compassion, or
we want to show compassion, we want to have an
immigration process that makes sense, that's that's clear that you
can get here. I've always been one to say a tall,

(44:59):
tall wall and a wide gate that said, if I'm
living in this country now and you're hearing new information
that we were letting people through because unskilled labor is
just beneath Americans, they won't do it. I don't believe that,
but that's what we're saying now. We see so many
H one B one visas that skilled labor we're not
smart enough to do. What does that leave our working class,
our young people. If we're too good to do the

(45:21):
unskilled labor and we're not smart enough to do the
skilled labor, what are we supposed to do with the
young people that are emerging into and trying to find
jobs in this country. I think there's something going on
here where we really have to stare at this, and
we can't. It's faux compassion. When someone has been here
and they've been for five years. Go go let your
meter expire for five minutes and see how much compassion

(45:42):
When you get the ticket and you don't pay it
within so many days. It gets even worse from there.
Five years, she's been here, and she's known, she's been
here illegally. It's never done anything. I believe, as the
first caller said, they are looking to call attention to themselves,
and that's what she did to create this. You know,
this fall compassion for someone who doesn't deserve it. The
compassion we should have are for people that follow the

(46:04):
law and have an aren't able to get in this country,
or are in this country legally and have the problems
that illegal immigration is causing, whether it be our schools,
our public safety, our jobs, are housing, healthcare. Look at this,
the snap benefits that have spiked since the illegal immigrations
happen in this country. That costs, those costs are something

(46:26):
we should have compassion about and feel badly that many
Americans are suffering because of it.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
All right, more your calls more. You were talking about
comments coming up right here on the Rod and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine.

Speaker 11 (46:37):
K n R S.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I am telling you that when we watch this play out,
the screaming, the weeping, the wailing, if you've committed a crime,
there is a consequence to that. And if they scream
and all of a sudden we're supposed to have some
kind of it's misplaced compassion, that's all I'll say. They're
not oppressed. When you break the law, you are not
oppressed and seeing the law is not oppression. Let's go

(47:01):
to our callers. Let's go to Lee who's been waiting.
Thank you for waiting, Lee for me FI, welcome to
the Marauding Greg Show.

Speaker 16 (47:09):
Hi there. So let me let me tell you. I
am flabbergast. I I don't understand this. So, you know,
this lady breaks the law, she comes to our country,
she under false pretenses, then she refuses to leave. So
I'm a truck driver and one of the big issues
plaque in our industry right now is you have Mexican

(47:29):
nationals coming across the border, uh, with loads from Mexico
and then staying and and and and using their truck
from Mexico to transport goods across our country and not
leaving as they're supposed to leave. Yeah, and it's going rampant,
you know, and so and they're breaking the law and

(47:50):
there's no conces for it.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Well, maybe if we screamed loud enough, we would be more.
We would it would be more compassion for us if
we just screamed. Screaming got more and then all of
a sudden that the facts won't matter anymore. We'll just
feel this faux compassion because you know, I mean, I'm
with you. I'm with you, Lee, thank you for the
call they're taking.

Speaker 16 (48:11):
They're taking food off our tables and and and sending
it to Mexico to their families. Well, we got Americans
that are working, that have gone through the process and
live in our lives and following the rules and doing
what we're supposed to be doing. But you know what, Hey,
I like what Trump's doing. I like and the Ice movement.

(48:33):
I think it's way overdue.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yes, sir man, we're with you on that one.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Lee.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Let's go back to the phones. We go to Harriman.

Speaker 14 (48:39):
Here.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
What Ryan has to say on then that's tonight weigh
in on this. Ryan, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 17 (48:46):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call. Yeah, I want
to try to state this as concisely as possible, and
kind of Greg did a great job of rebodying that color.
Jeff who called in saying that, you know, there needs
to be compassion. He felt that you guys laughed when
he said, and I just I just want to state

(49:07):
this justice right, There has to be justice if if
we want to be compassionate about everything, and so we
create injustice for someone else. Like the truck driver who
just was talking, and so we're being compassionate, but we've
totally thrown justice, you know, out of the car. Then

(49:31):
there's always going to be some American citizen somewhere who
is being treated unjustly because of compassion. And we can't
ever let compassion override justice, or we don't have society,
we don't have rules. And I just want to say,
if people want to be compassionate, if there's someone out
there who really wants to be compassionate, they can sponsor

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an illegal alien and bring them into their home. And
that's if they want to be if they want to
show compassion, that's what they can do without taking away
someone else's opportunity for work or you know, someone else's opportunity.
And so I just that's that's the point I wanted
to make, is that we can't let compassion override justice.

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We have to have justice in order to have a
society that works.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, Ryan, that is a great point. Compassion over justice.
We cannot, as Ryan just said, Greg, we cannot allow
that to happen. And unfortunately, it is happening in today's society.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
And it's a manipulative effort because you get the media
that really wants to draw hyper attention to some circumstances.
And again, the millions of people that have been let
in this country and the and the dire consequences of
the people that have no hyper attention towards and the
injustice that they're living through. That's where are our full
attention and real compassion ought to be ought to be shown.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
How about the compassion, Greg, real quick for the for
the person who's in this country illegally driving under the
influence of alcohol, running into another vehicle in American killing them.
How much compassion should we have for that person?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah? No, if they if they scream that they're getting arrested,
should we be should we be upset about that? I'm
telling you that again, I think and I don't. I
think that her her tantrum really was meant to draw
the attention because you see this pattern across this country
in terms of how they're doing it, and they play
the media like a fiddle. Okay, let's go to Linden
and speak with Linda. Linda, you're in Linden. Welcome to

(51:27):
the Rdy and Gray Show.

Speaker 18 (51:30):
I'm good. I love your show. You guys. Oh thanks
all Secondly, I feel like this we're all being tax
and we're thirty eight trillion dollars in DIT right, and
so much of that money is going to illegal aliens,
and I feel like we need to go through the
voter rolls, voter rolls, identify the Democrats and let them

(51:51):
pay the difference.

Speaker 12 (51:54):
There you go, like that.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I like that idea.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Linda is very smart.

Speaker 13 (52:01):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
All right, let's go to rum and hear what Hector
asked to say tonight here on the rout in Greg show, Hector,
how are you weigh in on this one?

Speaker 19 (52:09):
I'm good at Thanks guys.

Speaker 20 (52:10):
Hey, I'm a long time listener, a huge fan since
even before Greg Hugh's was a guest commentator that I
think you're.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Greg uh.

Speaker 20 (52:23):
My point is this is I totally agree with everything
you guys are saying. I think this person, if you're
here illegally, you need to go. And whether or not
you have a terrible situation to go back to, I'm sorry,
but we just we can't afford to help everybody in
the world. My only thing is that, out of the
years I've been listening, I have never felt, how I

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say this kind of ashamed and that was because of
the laughter. I agree that they need to go, and
we're not here to support anybody that's her illegally. But
I feel almost like like if it were back and
then old Jerusalem Times and we had ready to throw
you know, you got to enforce the law, but to
laugh at the person, you know, it just felt a

(53:06):
little bit wrong, And I just want to say it
just was a little ashamed to be a fan of
the show.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I like the straight talk. Hector, thank you for calling,
and thanks for making your point. I I I appreciate
the straight talk. I'll just put some context, at least
for in my my my mind, I'm watching a lot
of this. We get ready for the show every day.
We watch this happening playing out in Chicago, we watch
it happening in Portland, we see it happening all over
and a lot of what I saw in that video

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looks it looks much like what I'm seeing elsewhere, And
there is in my mind I am I am not
compassionate about what I'm seeing because we see the consequences
of what's happening, and I think that what she was
doing was an attempt to draw that kind of attention.
She's not being harmed, She's not being She might not
like what's happening, but when But what's happening to the

(53:59):
to every day people as a consequence to the way
the borders have been opened and the way it's impacted
our country. It's just that's where that's where my concern
really lies. And when I saw her acting out the
way she was, I didn't think it was actually sincere
at all. I think it's I think it's.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
What they're doing and what is he and what has
happened to the American people for this surge? What ten
million people in four years? It's not a laughing matter, folks,
And we're just pointing that out.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Maybe we laughed because we don't want to cry.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Maybe that's it could be, That could be. All right,
more of your calls and we've got some talkback comments
coming up as well on The Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one O five to nine.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Kayn Or John, thank you for holding. Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show. What do you think of this?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (54:41):
Hey, thanks are taking the call real quick. Just the
point that I wanted to express is that why would
somebody want to go back when they're getting a free
ride here? In our country in terms of healthcare cost,
living expenses, credit card and handover, cell phone usage, et cetera.

(55:04):
So yeah, I would screen too, so I and so, yeah,
that's lappable, right, yeah, seriously, And I'm with you one
hundred percent on that. So in fact, when I heard it,
I laughed. Well, I just busted out. I'm like, no one, yeah,

(55:26):
of course, But let me say this though.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
This is my point.

Speaker 12 (55:30):
I pay around two hundred and fifty dollars a month
for my family insurance coverage. I had to take last
couple of years ago. My well, my daughter's a chie leader.
She broke her finger, had to take her to the
emergency room. So that deductible is a three thousand dollars
deductible on top of what I pay every month. Do

(55:52):
you think my insurance went down because I went to
the hospital. My payment then I was paying three hundred
on the deductible to meet that, So monthly I was
paying in total two hundred and fifty plus three. That's
five hundred and fifty dollars a month for insurance ad
stream too.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, you know, thank you for the comment, Johnny. I
was going to ask how many of us know or
how many of us have lived through very difficult financial
times that are not like the circumstances that people are
getting as they come in here illegally. Okay, let's go
to Scott in Saint George. Must be listening on an
iHeartRadio app. Scott, welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (56:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 19 (56:32):
I still call you Governor Hughes.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
If it's okay with you.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Thank you, Scott, Thank you.

Speaker 16 (56:39):
I went to your victory party up north, so I
was one of those guys.

Speaker 19 (56:43):
Thank you, brother, You're welcome.

Speaker 16 (56:46):
I respect you.

Speaker 19 (56:48):
This compassion thing is just getting so old. Anybody that
does anything, we're supposed to be compassionate. And then I
can't help but to draw the parallel that Mom DOMI
is going to have state owned grocery stores and that
that's compassion. And we have this ridiculous health system in

(57:09):
America that's state owned and that's for compassion. And our
snap benefits are forty million people, and that's compassion. And
I just I'm just getting nauseated over this absurd argument.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Are Scott? We are getting sick and tired of I'm
with you on that as well. Let's go to Judy
in sunset tonight on the Roden Greg Show, Hi, Judy,
how are you?

Speaker 4 (57:35):
I just can't agree with everybody.

Speaker 13 (57:37):
Hey, when that man said ashamed, it made me sick actually,
and I wanted to laugh at him. There is nothing
that is funny about what's done to our country. Our
money are all of our services. Just what everybody else
has been talking about. We have been just shoved into
the ground because of all the illegals.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
You are here.

Speaker 13 (58:01):
She's sucking up all of our money, medicating everything. So
when she's out there throwing her little tizzy, just like
you said.

Speaker 18 (58:08):
She's trying to say, look at me, look at me,
help me, help me.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
No, what's going to help her?

Speaker 18 (58:12):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 21 (58:13):
And they?

Speaker 13 (58:14):
And what the funny thing is what no one.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Has said she was at the baggage claim sounds to
me like she took some kind.

Speaker 13 (58:21):
Of a nice little vacation and what's coming back, uhh yeah,
and spending whatever money she's probably got with assistants and
stuff and going visiting people.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
And I haven't been able to take a trip.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Seriously, people splar are struggling folks. We have a couple
that are holding on the line, would love to have
we're going to come to a break here at the
top of the hour. We'd love to come back to
your calls talk about this. We've got some great talkback
live comments we'd like to share too, great comment I
just read online too.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
They want to do a trade. We'll actually keep this woman.
We'll do this for every lib. If we can send
a crazy lib to support them, we'll keep it. We'll
keep an illegal mom here.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
How about that? Call it a citizen exchange. Yes, we'll
take any illegal.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah, the part the fake you know, humanitarians, send them
out and we'll keep this person here. I'll make that trade.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, you get the socialists, we'll take the illegal.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
All right, we'll do that.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I'll do that sure, all right. Like you said, we
got a lot of calls, We got a lot of
comments on our talkback line. Folks hanging with us. If
you can't give us a call back, we'd love to
hear what you have to say. That's coming up Dower
number three, other rotting Greg show, stay with us. Ice
got up to her, arrested her, and she threw a fit.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
You know. A great comment from someone that's also seen
the video points out something that we haven't really described
as we're trying to describe this on the radio, the
scene that we're that, I look, I'm laughing, and it's
true because I think it's a spectacle and I think
it's contrived what she's doing. This person commenting says that
this person is resisting arrest. They're not just screaming as

(59:55):
they're being held out. They are trying to get away.
They are resisting what the officers are trying to do.
When you're resisting the arrest, you're creating your own problems.
These ice officers are human beings as well. Yes, and
she is throwing herself on the ground, is just absolutely
going crazy, and it's really again, it is just as

(01:00:16):
difficult when you're resisting arrest and throwing this tantrum. Yeah
and yeah, that's my compassion is not going towards that person.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
A lot of people waiting and walk away in now.
So let's get right back to the calls. We go
to Pleasant Grove and see what Rick casts to say. Rick,
how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 22 (01:00:34):
Hi, guys, I've worked with cops most of my adult life,
and a lot of people don't understand the criminal mind.
They will walk into a convenience store, kick down your door,
put a gun in your face, talk smack, threatened to
kill you, it hurts you, steal from you. And the
second I mean the second that someone gets an upper
hand a law enforcement officer, you, then all of a

(01:00:56):
sudden they turned into oh please don't take me, and
I didn't mean it. I'm sorry, I was just I
just brought the gun to try to keep you calm.
They will act one way when they're in control, and
act like the victim the minute that they lose that control.
I don't know this woman, but I wonder if she

(01:01:17):
had four years to comply and just say, all right,
you caught me, I'm sorry, I'll go back and do
it the right way. My guess is that she probably
falls into that category.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Good point, thanks, really good point from wrecking. Look we're paying,
we're paying for people to go back. I mean, there's
there's a financial opportunity to go back if you go
back on your own. I think he's exactly right. Let's
go to Matt or I'm sorry Mitt in Spanish fork Mitt.
Welcome to the Ronn and Greg Show.

Speaker 23 (01:01:43):
Hi, Hi guys, thanks for taking my call. I really
enjoyed your show. Well, I just wanted to comment on
this lady getting arrested at the airport. You know, if
if you're an adult and you get caught with your
having the cookie jar just like a child, you know,
and then you throw a different santrum, you know, because

(01:02:03):
you got caught and you're acting stupid, of course people
are going to laugh at you. You know, did you
guys remember that TV show America's Dumb Best Criminals. Nobody
ever felt bad for these criminals, you know, nobody, you know,
we all watch these videos. We laughed because what they
were doing it was stupid that they were breaking the law. Right,

(01:02:24):
So I think the same The same applies right in
the situation now.

Speaker 13 (01:02:29):
I know.

Speaker 23 (01:02:29):
I know people who they became legal immigrants because they
went through the whole process. Maybe at some point they
broke the law, but they went through the process, They
paid the fines, they they got deported, they went back
to their countries, they waited for as long as it

(01:02:52):
was necessary to come back to the States legally, and
now they are legally in the country. So if you
make a mistake only you know, and then go through
the process, pay the price and welcome to Amrik.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Right, man, I forgot the commercial success of the shows
that showed these people acting out when they got caught
age criminals. And I about to show Cops, saw anyone
that's not a SOB story. You don't watch the show
Cops and cry for the people rested on Cops. Okay,
let's go to Keaton and Kerns Keaton, thank you for
holding Welcome to the Roddy Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 21 (01:03:30):
Yeah, I just wanted to say my wife is from
Mexico and she did come legally, and we've worked very
hard to try and build a life together, and we
have three boys, and so it's a lot of it's
a lot of work, it is, and my wife and
I have had many discussions about how she would never

(01:03:53):
want to go back to Mexico just because of how
bad things were there. And she says that even our schools,
are public schools here that are not considered gray, are
still better than the schools that they have down there,
and that there's so many more opportunities that you still

(01:04:13):
get to choose your classes, and so I can kind
of see why it is that they're so eager to
get into this country but also trying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
It well, can I ask you a question real quick.
You followed the law, and it's not an easy lot
to follow. There's a sponsorship for two years when someone
comes into the country, there's a there's a I mean,
I've I have spoken at the citizen. You know, the
naturalization ceremonies that have occurred, and people are so excited.
They're from all over the world, but they've gone through
such a really rigorous process to get to get to

(01:04:43):
that spot. Do you or your family do you ever
look at those that come in illegally without the two
year sponsorship and get immediate benefits and see all these
rewards for not following the same law as you do.
How do you digest that? I mean, is that something
you resent? Is that something that is fine for you?
I mean, I'm just curious because you're one, You're someone
that has actually followed this tough process.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
No, it was.

Speaker 21 (01:05:09):
It is kind of hard because we we we didn't
have the money to even turn into paperwork for a while,
so we had to work our butts off and it's
a long process. We couldn't afford a lawyer, so we
had to go to the free clinics they have here
in Utah. And just keep working on it little by little.
And so we've for a little while, we've had to

(01:05:32):
use some of those benefits, but we always saw the
government benefit says, this is something to help us get
to a more stable place where we can provide for
our family on our own.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
They were using some of our benefits, but they were
trying not to. They were trying to become citizens of
this country. That I can understand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Seam spoted a trajectory of how they were going to
be productive, and they're going to be good productive citizens.
And again, I've spoken at the naturalization ceremonies and one
of the most emotional yes at the Capitol ceremonies I
have ever attended. So I think it's uh, you do
it the right way, and things are good and it's
as it should be.

Speaker 14 (01:06:09):
He ran.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Let's play a few of those talkback messages back. Let's
hear some of the comments that came in today as
we talked about this subject. Rod and Greg.

Speaker 24 (01:06:18):
This is Clint, and to paraphrase cool hand Luke, what
we have here is failure to communicate. What she got
is what she wanted. She's known for years, she was
here illegally and she needed to leave and I'd have
screamed too if the law finally caught up with me.

(01:06:38):
So more people need to see this video so they
self deport. Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you. That's good coming.
And I forgot greg a point that you made that
you know, how many commercials do you see with Christy
Nome saying, Hey, we invite you to leave the country.
We'll pay you to leave the country and then make
it easier for you to come back into the country legal.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
If you leave on your own, you're not gonna get held.
It's not gonna be held again. She can then apply
to come back in and they're even given financial incentives
to do so. So I think that that video. I
think he's right too, that Clint's right about that that
I think moments like this should really be sobering to
those that are here illegally to go back and do
it the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
There's another comment on the talkback.

Speaker 25 (01:07:19):
Line, Oh please, you guys were laughing because the woman
was being a drama queen. And for those guys to
call and say, oh, I'm offended because you laugh, get
a grip. I mean, the woman was being a drama queen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
You know, some of our listeners are so spot on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
She gets me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Thank you, thank you. I mean here's another comment on
the talkback line.

Speaker 26 (01:07:51):
Hey, Rod and Greg just want to say, I think
the combation a little bit is missing.

Speaker 16 (01:07:57):
But I agree.

Speaker 26 (01:07:58):
I'm one hundred percent nagat. But I think that's why
a lot of people get triggered because if Trump would
have said, you know, something like we know these are
good people, or they're just looking for a better life,
they just can't be here. They need to come into
the country legally, that's a little bit softer message, and
it still gets the same results in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
That's the take.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
That's a take. Here's another talk about comment.

Speaker 15 (01:08:23):
You know, I was driving on I fifteen the other
day and there was this reckless driver going in and
out of Kate traffic, speeding and all that, and Coup
got him, lit him up and pulled him over. And
do you know what I remember thinking, I was just like, oh,
poor guy, that's going to mess up his day.

Speaker 11 (01:08:39):
You know, I really need to.

Speaker 15 (01:08:41):
Stippity for this guy that's breaking the law. No law,
he's got what he deserves.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Broke the law, Yeah, he broke the law. At any
compassion for that guy. Well, no, no one, we got
another talkback comment, you right, you lays got another one.
Let's play it, hey, Rod and Greg.

Speaker 14 (01:09:06):
That last call her talking about fear in her voice.
If there's any fear in her voice, in her screaming,
it's because the left indoctrinated her that Ice is gonna
take her and put her in a goolag or something.
It's not fear because of anything else. It's fear because
she's been lied.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
To by the left.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, right, and she has been lied to by the left.
I mean Joe Biden said, Joe Biden said, come here, Well,
you know, we welcome you. You know what were the
T shirts during his election in twenty twenty Biden for president?
Remember those T shirts? They were handing them out to illegals.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah, no, it's it was it was all they did
on purpose, all right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
We got one more coming, yea one more coming, Hey
Rotten Greg. I agree one hundred percent that the ladies
should have been kicked out of the country. You have
to obey the laws, and you don't obey the law,
then you know, you face the consequences. I also agree
that we probably shouldn't be laughing at it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Well, look, I'm surprised by the by that reaction that
they thought we were being a little callous. But I
love the takes and I hope that our audience always
feels comfortable to you know, give us our feedback. I
love it, I love I love good. Honest, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I think we found one more here. We go ahead
and play it, hey, fellows. First off, I laughed along
with you. I think that's the best emotion for that. Secondly,
I firmly agree that no one else gets to see
what happens with policing on practically any other crime. I
think that was an astute observation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Thank you, well, thank you. So. I just think the
left has done a great job of manipulating people in
terms of making victims out of those that aren't victims,
the oppressed or not. You know, criminals are not oppressed,
and enforcing the law is not oppression. I'm going to
keep saying it because that's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
More coming up it is the Thursday evening edition of
the Roden. Greg chel on Talk Radio one oh five
nine kN R s that the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Calls we've had the talkback lives been fun. Some of
our great listeners have been disappointed in US, But some
of our listeners, i'd say more than those that are disappointed,
kind of understand US standard. They kind of get it.
And again, I think, you know, I think that resisting
arrest acting this way, the acting out that's going on,
it's playing out and around this country. And I don't
think it's it's a it's a natural response. I think

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it's meant to draw that attention and evoke that emotion
that I think there. I think it's manipulative. I think
one of our callers said that it has experience of
law enforcement. That that's a that is a that's what
people do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Well, since we've been accused of laughing at someone's shall
we continue please today, let's shall we laugh at Couble?

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I like that one. Apparently she's on a world
tour selling your book.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Well, is she still doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
What is a one hundred and seven Days of Misery?

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
That book. I wouldn't read it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Well, she decided to do an interview with the BB's
the the Australian version of the BBC. I think the
Sky News wasn't something like that. I don't know who
the interviewer was Sarah Ferguson, not the Sarah world thinking
this is a journalist, a good journalist because she wasn't
afraid to call Kama out about not raising questions about

(01:12:15):
Joe Biden's ability to not only be president but run
for president. Listen to this exchange and it's getting a
lot of attention today.

Speaker 27 (01:12:23):
Wasn't Joe Biden then to put it on him? Wasn't
his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that
you faced a nearly impossible task.

Speaker 28 (01:12:33):
I ran against Donald Trump for president, and Donald Trump
ran on a platform that was, in large part, I believe,
misrepresenting his intentions to the American people.

Speaker 27 (01:12:48):
Now I'm forgive me. I wanted a calendar in terms
of yes, the clerk, I want to interrupt you because
that is a world class pivot. But it is not
the question that I asked you, which is about Joe
Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that
did to you. The question is about Joe Biden. Are
you still reluctant to criticize the former.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
President in what regard?

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Please?

Speaker 27 (01:13:12):
Well, just in terms of that question, So you went
exactly would you.

Speaker 28 (01:13:16):
Like to ask be more specific if you don't mind.

Speaker 27 (01:13:18):
He was Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to
recognize his own frailties in that position that put you
in the position that made it almost impossible to win
that race.

Speaker 28 (01:13:28):
He was not frail as president of the United States, but.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
He had frailties.

Speaker 27 (01:13:32):
We all saw the debate.

Speaker 28 (01:13:35):
I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to
be president of the United States, and I have never
doubted that he had the capacity to be president of
the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Wow, that's from friends.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
They're trying to get a couch up the stairs. Talk
about a pivot, Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Well, she's still saying. I mean many people say that
when she when they asked her, what would you do
differently than than Joe Biden? Or they asked her to
just contrast herself to Joe Biden because she took his
place on the ticket late and she wouldn't do it.
Many people say that's one of the biggest reasons why
people didn't have any confidence. Center here we are, how
many how much time later, eleven months later, more, and

(01:14:22):
she still can't articulate that. She's still saying he's sharpest attack.
He's fine, He's absolutely fine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
What is this House report that came out just a
couple of days ago, and all these people who were
very close to Joe Biden are now saying, yeah, we
had some issues. We didn't want them. We had to
get him a nap. We you know, we didn't put
too much on him. We you know, we even thought
about getting a wheelchair to get him through the White House.
I mean, and she didn't see this, she wasn't aware
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, the auto pen was was all based on the
fact that he couldn't cognitively understand the issues that he
was required to make decisions on, be it you know,
executive orders or pardons or whatever would require the signature
of the president. You'd like to think the president would
actually be the one making that decision. They're basically saying
that he wasn't, and so they were they knew his intent,
so they were going and using that auto pen. That

(01:15:09):
doesn't sound like the person that Kamala Harris just described
to that Australian reporter. No, that's for sure, world class pivot.
I love that term world That was a world class pivot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
We're going to have to keep that because we have
politicians pivoting all the time. Have to keep that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Let's keep that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah, all right, more coming up final a half hour.
They're Rodden Greg show with you on this very busy
Thursday afternoon on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Kay and Ars. You get a lot of kids coming
to your house? Not as many, Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
There used to be a ton Now it's not as many.
Neighborhoods kind of aging out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Do you like conted houses?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
I used to love them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I hate them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
I used to love them, but I love them. And
then I even as an adult, I didn't mind him.
Then I went to one that was super elaborate, and
I went, it's a little over the top. It was
the last time I went, Yeah, it's like a haunted
field and like a I don't know, abandon, I'm not
a circus or something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
It was creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
If I have a failing and I have many, but
one of my feelings is I'm easily startled.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Yeah, and that that is their wheelhouse. Yeah, that's absolutely
scaring you out of your shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
And that's what they do. Apparently do a real good job.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
They up their game from when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
I'll tell you all right, the uh there is a
debate now with these AI data centers and the pressure
they're out putting on America's power needs and our ability
to produce power, and that's why the President has launched
an effort to make America energy dominant. Joining us on
our news maker line to talk more about that is
Clifford May. He is the founder and president of the

(01:16:43):
Foundation for Defense of Democracy. It's a columnist with the
Washington Times. Clifford, thanks for joining us. America needs energy dominance.
Exactly what does that mean, Clifford?

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
The first thing that recognize is that national security requires
energy security, and more than energy security, more than energy independence.
We're talking energy dominance because energy is a huge force
in the world and if we don't control it, who will.
And I'll tell you the answer to that question. It
will It will be the communist Chinese, because that's what

(01:17:13):
they intend to do, is to control energy around the
world as best they can. And energy is important for
many things. I would argue, and I do argue in
It's Calm that when we talk about American greatness, we
need to define what that means. And I think it
means the maintenance of American power second to none in
a world where despotic regimes, not least that of China,

(01:17:35):
threaten free nations. And so what we're talking about is
that we should have and we can because we thanks
for fracking other things. We should have the fossil fuels
we need for ourselves, for our allies. We should have
effective control of markets we need. I would also argue
control essentially and certainly for our own needs of critical

(01:18:00):
minerals and what we and here's I guess the important
thing and the mistake that was made in the Biden
administration is that energy policy became a subsidiary of climate policy.
And that was because the administration, not least John Kerry,
who held the title of Special Presidential Envoy for Climate

(01:18:21):
position that no longer exists, he believed that climate change was,
to quote him now, the existential challenge of our time,
and I think that's been very much debunked. And because
of that, he was willing to do things that would
essentially and a lot of Europeans have deindustrialize and weaken
the United States in order that we have fewer emissions

(01:18:44):
of carbon dioxide so we can go to all that,
but basically we need a huge amount of energy. Energy
is wealth, energy is power. Energy is necessary for artificial
intelligence where we have an armis race going on, because
enormous amounts of energy are necessary for the data centers
that can power artificial intelligence.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
You know, Cliver, Let's talk about California. There was a
recent post, it was just yesterday by our Energy Secretary,
Chris Wright, and actually golfer Phil Mickelson commented on it,
and it got a very got a lot of attention.
It's a wonkish issue that you like to see people
actually tracking and paying attention to. But it was pointed
out in that post and the subsequent comments that California

(01:19:29):
is killing us. They are so irresponsible. They're shutting down refineries,
not renewing them, They're they're prohibiting offshore drilling. That this
has a national security threat in terms of how we
even fuel our military bases. But we in the state
of Utah are feeling it where they are not a
supplier of fuel as they used to be. We're seeing
our refineries in Utah being drawn into surrounding states. And

(01:19:52):
if you notice, our western states are some of the
most expensive gasoline prices in the country. I guess I
say that as the best of this question, what are
we in the what are what in the world are
we going to do as a country about California and
how mismanaged it is and how it's really destroying our
energy dominance.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Well, it's a good question. I think this. It's a
question that Chris Wright, as he's the Vice President, he's
the vice chairman of something new under the Trump administration
called the National Energy Dominant Council. It's like a National
Security Council for energy. And actually Chris Wright and also
Doug Bergham, who's the Secretary of the Interior, are and

(01:20:35):
Doug is the chairman of this council. They're both also
on the National Security Council. So I think what we
knew going to need in this case are federal regulations
to prevent the California from doing things that are damaging
to other Americans. If I guess that the people of

(01:20:56):
California will want to pay seven dollars a gallon for gas,
they can do it. I guess that they want to
say everybody here has to have a plug in electric vehicle.
I'm not We're going to ban internal combustion engines. They
can do it, but by the way, California won't have
enough electricity for all those cars, and that will mean
people will be taking bicycles and buses as best they

(01:21:17):
can to get around it's and by the way, they
will have no impact whatsoever on the climate, none whatsoever.
If you're worried about CO two emissions, I'm not so worried.
But we can talk about that if you are understand
that China emits more CO two and other emissions as
well than America and all of Europe combined combined. So

(01:21:41):
whatever you know, if everybody stopped driving cars tomorrow in California,
the global climate would not be affected in any way
you could measure.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Clifford, we hear this a lot lately. How much is
the development of AI putting pressure on America's power needs?
Hear you hear some scary numbers at the time, But
how much pressure realistically is it putting on our need
for energy?

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
It's huge, It's absolutely enormous. It's phenomenal. The technology may
change over time, but right now, these data data centers
we need for AI require enormous amounts of energy and
we must provide it because the last thing we want
is for again the Communist Party of China to be

(01:22:24):
ahead of us in AI. Vladimir Putin is a tyrant,
but he's not dumb, that's stupid. And he has said,
and I think correctly, that whoever leads an AI will
dominate the world in the future. Now, one way to
do this, and this is what are we going to do?
It's nuclear power plants, particularly small modular nuclear plants take

(01:22:48):
up very little land emit nothing that whatsoever that can
be an answer. They can provide the kind of electricity
we need if we get if we cure ourselves of
the various red tape and regulatory prohibitions and restrictions that
now exists. Again, I think the National Energy Dominance Council,
that's one of the many things that they will be

(01:23:09):
working on so that we can dominate an AI. Keep
in mind that if one army has AI and it's good,
and one army has AI and it's better, it is
the latter army that's going to win the battle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
O Hey, China, you know I thought the big the
big thing would be being a net exporter of oil
and gas, but we are. But that doesn't seem to
solve this. It gets us maybe a little bit better.
My question is presidents coming back from a trip that
negotiating with China looks like they made so there is
some headway made there with rare minerals and other things.
What should we see or what should we expect to

(01:23:42):
see where we see that we're gaining ground on energy
dominance in the in this world? What are those what
are those tails?

Speaker 23 (01:23:49):
Would they look like?

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Well, the tells are that we are that we are
producing a lot of a lot more I would fossil
fuels than we were. And keep in mind under the
Biden administration, he was trying to prevent that. He was saying,
we're going to we're going to keep the hydrocarbons in
the ground. There were restrictions, there are mandates, there were

(01:24:12):
subsidies for electric vehicles.

Speaker 21 (01:24:13):
All that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
He closed down the pipeline from Canada, which which is
very useful. We should do more with Canada and Mexico
in terms of both fossil fuels and rare earths. They
exist in both countries. We could have an agreement to
help with that. President Trump has gotten agreements now with
Malaysia on rare earths and also Australia takes time. We

(01:24:36):
need to get rid of again red tape and restrictions
so that mines can be up and running very quickly,
not take ten years or twenty years is sometimes the case.
We need to be able to process these. China dominates
totally dominates the field of rare earths, not because they
have a lot of them, they don't, but to get
a lot of them from other countries, often doing terrible

(01:24:57):
environmental degradation to those countries, particularly in Africa. Then they
bring them over and they process them. Processing takes quite
a bit of energy as well. China uses coal for that.
Coal is the most polluting if you're not using scrubbers.
We use scrubbers. China doesn't so much. So all that
has to be done. But this is this is why
we have a National Energy the Dominance Council is to

(01:25:19):
figure all this out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
But thanks for joining us here on the Rodding Greg
Show on this Thursday evening. Uh I would think, Greg,
we're getting we've got to get be getting pretty close
to energy dominance.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
California. California is the millstone around our neck that that
state is bringing us down. They are I am telling
you the energy demands that state requires, The energy. They
cannot create that on their own, by their own choice,
that everybody else has to pick up the slack. They
are killing us out here. I am so mad at
California right now. But hey, Lee's Eldon is going to
clean up all the sewage in the Hallelujah. That was

(01:25:56):
announced this morning. They're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna fast
track those projects.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
For the next year. It's going to take years.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
All those Democrats supposed to be into the environment, they've
let that I'd let that ocean be a toilet off
of San Diego and it takes Lee's Elman the Trump
administration to clean it up. So there's that. So I'm
mad at California. But that's actually some good news.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, that is for you, for me, all right, more
shuting up. Final segment of The Rod and Gregg Show
with you on this Thursday right here on Talk radio
one oh five nine k NRS New York City. I's
been called the city that Never sleeps. Yes, yeah, didnt
Sinatra sing then something like that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
And he also said, if you can make it there,
you can get anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
That's true, that's true, that's true. Well, apparently it is
about ready to wake up in fear. New poll shows
that many New Yorkers are predicting the city will become
a violent cesspool if what do you call them, Zulander Zulander,
Zulander mom, Donnie Donny is elected next? Is it next
week or the following week? The other day?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
I think it's next ye.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Disturbing pole shows that many New Yorkers who do not
support Mundani are convinced he's going to destroy America's greatest city.
The economy will cave, There'll be shockwaves around the rest
of the country. Violent criminals will be roaming the streets.

Speaker 19 (01:27:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
You know, it's so hard to protect New Yorkers from themselves.
When you lead the demographics and you find a number
one job private sector job is a nonprofit that's not
actually private sector. That's something, but it's not. I just
that that is a tough town to be worried about
for me. Yeah, I'm not, you know, I mean, they've
they've made their own bed, they have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Yeah, And I used to love to go to New York,
can visit New York. I'm no longer interested.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
You know, my kid he was he served to Alba's
mission there and I got to see the boroughs and
went back there. We've been back there since he's been back.
You know, I got to know this see a little
bit better. But look that that city is everything it's
purported itself to be and it's wanted to be. I mean,
Guliani is mayor. Those days are long gone, So I
don't know. We'll see, we'll see what happens. We'll see.

(01:27:59):
I think it'd be a great lesson in socialism if
he's able to try and do what he wants to
do and it doesn't succeed, And I think there's a
lesson to be learned there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
The other day at that big rally for men, Donnie,
who is that Alexandria A Cassio Cortez, Yes, said that statement,
we are not the crazy people, we are the sane people.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Yeah, remember she said that. Can I give you a
life hack? As a former public servant and you're on
the campaign trail and part of your stump speeches, I
am not crazy, I am not insane.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
You don't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
It's not a really good place to start, because it's
just it's what everybody hears is I'm insane, I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Yeah, So well, apparently the public doesn't feel that way.
Back in nineteen twenty thirteen, I should say, fifty one
percent of the American people felt that the Democrats are
out of touch. That was twenty thirteen. Twelve years later,
seventy percent of the American people feel that the Democrats

(01:28:58):
are out of touch.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
When I saw it, when I saw the Antifa in
Black Lives Matters kind of protest rallies, whatever you want
to call them, and they were in Brooklyn, where everybody's
a Democrat. There's no there's no there's no Republican to
be found, and they're harassing the people at the restaurant
and eating the food they were sitting outside, eating the
food off their plates and giving them a hard time.
And it's that's Democrat on democrat violence there. Yeah, I

(01:29:21):
don't know. It's just like, okay, have fun, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
And one study, You and I are lucky that we
don't have to deal with rush hour traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
No we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
No good, which which is kind of great because apparently
they're study out saying that Utahn's are in fact spending
more time in traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Now, well more time you listener Rodd and Greg show, Hey,
which I think is a wise user.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. New reports says solid commuters
now spend fifty eight hours per year stuck in traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
How many hours are we on a week? Maybe they
should be fifteen. It seems a little thin to me.
I want to I think they should be on the longer.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
I have never felt this city as a traffic you'
in big cities I've driven in LA. In New York
is a disaster. I don't consider solt like having a
traffic problem.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
You know, there's certain times a day where there is,
But look, you can't keep building lanes for those times
of day because we don't have a right to go
eighty miles an hour from our front door to our
final destination.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
I thought we did. No, I like that, right, I do?

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
That does it for us Tonight, Head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family in this great
country of ours. Happy Halloween, and we'll be here tomorrow.
See you then,

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