The Rod and Greg Show: Reaction to Australia/Brown University; Breakdown in Immigration System; Rescheduling Cannabis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show here
on Utah's Talk Radio one O five to nine. Can
or s.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm roder Urkatt, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Undercover and the People's Republic of California in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
And folks, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
You remember about the place, but it's changed a little
bit since I was here last at least. But I'm
hold up in my hotel room here with you ready
for the show.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, we have got a lot to get to today.
Of course, we'll talk about what happened in Australia. We're
going to talk about as well about what happened in
the Rob Reiner Caves and the Brown University case. A
lot to get to on that. Today. We'll talk about
why some Americans are taking tours learning about how they
can flee America. Apparently they don't like it here, and
we'll talk about that as well. So we've got a

(00:48):
whole lot to get to today, Greg. But the tragic
story out of Australia is, you know, all these videos
are out there now, but I think the most disturbing
one I saw today, and we've seen a lot of
them was a short time ago. I saw this video
of this little three year old girl couldn't find her
mom and dad. This woman basically said, come with me
and I'll protect you and will hide and we'll be

(01:09):
in secret. And they do take her and she keeps
on saying are we okay? Orre we okay? And in
the background you can hear the shots being fired, the
screaming taking place. That was some powerful video today, Greg,
And there's other other video out there about what happened
in Australia. But it's absolutely amazing how tragic this story
is turning out to be.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
It is, and you know, I lived in Australia long
long ago, and it's you know, the place was different.
They didn't have the strict gun control laws they have.
But if you did have guns when they made that
big change after a terror attack in the nineties, you
were able to keep their guns under some strict law
government regulations. Turns out that the assailant and his son

(01:53):
were able to take advantage of those laws. He had
moved there in nineteen eighty eight and that's why he
had these guns, and the rest of the rest were
sitting ducks, absolute sitting ducks, and it's absolutely tragic and
something that you know, we need to talk about, even
though it's the holiday season. Mike Goodness, As you said,
this weekend has just been a tough weekend. We're seeing this,

(02:15):
We're seeing the Brown University issue. There's a lot of
violence there always has been in the world. But I
think that we do have to have the uncomfortable conversations,
even even right now as these as this weekend was,
you know, even broad it's not even this weekend. The
FBI just held a press conference that they just interrupted
a terrorist attack that was supposed.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
To occur in La on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
And so that's that's been reported today that they two
days ago stop this from happening.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
So a lot's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, well, we'll get to a lot of it. Our fact,
we're going to go to Australia here at the bottom
of the hour and talk with the man who is
president of the Shooters Union of Australia. Clark Composion will
join us as well. We'll talk about the gun laws there.
But before we get to all of that, I want
to play in and we'll play this in a second.
How Sky News is covering this story today, but We
wanted to bring in Abbi Banil because Greg, you mentioned

(03:06):
you sir an LDS mission part of the time in Australia,
but you've never been to the beach. Abby has seen
it and she's joining us on the show right now
to talk about that. Abby described this area if you
would where this shooting took place, because you've seen it,
you've been there.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes, I went on a travel assignment there, and Australia
is a beautiful country. Sydney is a remarkable city. I
never felt unsafe when I walked around Sydney. The landmarks
there are exquisite. But when you see Bondai Beach, I
mean it's one of the most famous landmarks in Australia.
It's not a very long beach, it's only just over

(03:44):
half a mile long, but its shape, and it's in
a suburb off the suburb of an area of Sydney itself.
You can get forty thousand people on this beach if
you can even get your head around. It used to be,
I mean, centuries ago, a couple of is ago a
private beach, but of course it is public and it's
such an important part of their culture. One thing that

(04:07):
shocked me when I actually first saw it was shark
nets out there, and who would want to go.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Paddling there when there's a shark net?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
And they said, well, they're not actually totally fool proof,
And I believe a great white shark managed recently or
in the last few years, managed to sneak around the
net and was stalking those that were swimming and paddling,
So that put me off. But I have to say,
but yes, it's a one.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
That's a movie that's called Jaws. You saw that on
a movie theater. You did not see that that's that's
called Jaws or Jaws too.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's true.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
They also have a very dangerous rib tide current right
in the center of that beach. And of course, obviously
all the locals know about it in the signposts there
and some lifeguards, but a lot of tourists don't know that,
and it's extraordinarily dangerous.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Is it right in the middle of the city or
right on the edge of the Sas suburb?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I think it's like four miles east of Sydney in
one area, but it's a joined I mean you I
walk there, so and I was staying in Sydney at
the time in a hotel.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, it's just part of their landscape, just like our mountains.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
H yeah, so Abby, What do you think happens from here?
It's you know, it's a different culture. You know, UK's
different than the United States. Australia is different. What what
do you think in the aftermath you'll see in Australia
from something like this? They're not some things like this
don't happen in Australia.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
No they don't.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, I think it was very much like nine to eleven.
I mean I had lived and worked in New York
and after that. To me, that was one of the
first terrible terror attacks that you ever saw in the US,
which you know, growing up in Britain, I was used
to it. I was used to, you know, evacuations of
the radio station Piccadilly where I work because of threats

(05:55):
from the IRA at the time, and so it was
part of the landscape and culture I had grown up with,
and it was a very serious threat. Fortunately that was settled.
Nine to eleven was the flip the switch here and
again in Australia. This will definitely change things. It did
in New Zealand. If you remember when they had a
serious attack there so I think I think people will

(06:18):
be a lot more guarded. There's a lot of criticism
about this event being held on the beach, that it
was so open and they were so vulnerable, and you know,
in Australia they said listen, there is a real threat here.
We don't feel safe, and it sort of clearly wasn't
taken too seriously because there was no heavy police presence

(06:42):
at that event.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Will let you get back to the Kings. But thank
you for sharing your thoughts on that, Greg. There is
a lot of criticism being leveled today, not only well
a couple of things. I think we need to take
a break Greg on this, but I think there are
questions being raised about security in Sydney and also security
at Browning University whereas two students were shot and killed
over the weekend. I know there are a lot of

(07:05):
questions about law enforcement's role here and what they're doing because,
as Abbi mentioned, the fear of radical Islamism has really
elevated in Australia and officials knew about this, So why
did they allow this event Ambondai Beach to take place
without any protection out there? Greg? Those are a lot
of questions that are being asked.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Well, I think in Australia's case, they have a false
sense of security in that they believe their gun laws
keep them from something that would be a mass killing
like that. And I think they felt that they're to
some degree immune from some of the things that they're
seeing reported around the world given their laws. And we're
just seeing that that's those laws are for people that

(07:47):
obey the law, and even some look, again, it's rare,
it's not like that happens all the time. But I
think that probably contributed to them having a false sense
of security, is that they felt that they were more
secure country given their laws, than they probably thought other
parts of the world were going through.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, and is it considered. Isn't Australia considered a country
that has some of the toughest gun laws in the
entire world, Greg, I keep on hearing, absolutely, is that correct.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I look forward to speaking with our guests from Australia,
because a shooting council in Australia is like, I don't know,
a snowball fight and on the equator, I don't even
know how you can even talk about shooting in Australia
because it's so rare friends of mine that I got
to know in my time when I was young. There
later in life, when the patriarch of their large family

(08:34):
of farmers passed away. As they came home from there
from the funeral, there were Australian agents of the government
waiting looking to confiscate rifles and things that this patriarch
of this family had had. But he had done all
the right paperwork so that he could send to have
his sons inherit. Those his children, but they had to

(08:56):
have their paperwork in order, and they had to have
it within the hour of at the end of the
our father's funeral, So they y that was a while ago,
very very serious about trying to identify and confiscate guns
as much as possible in Australia.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
All Right, when we come back on the Roden greg Show,
I'm here in the studio. Greg is broadcasting live today
from San Francisco. When we come back, we'll talk about
police reaction to what happened at Brown and also in Australia.
You hear how Australian media is covering this in this
outlandis thing. The Prime Minister of Australia said, in light
of this tragic attack, it's unbelievable. We'll get to all

(09:32):
of it. Plus, as Greg mentioned, we will go live
to Australia to talk to the president of the Shooters
Union Australia. That's coming up at the bottom of the hour.
So we invite you to stay tuned on a very
busy Monday afternoon and Utah's talk radio one oh five
dyeing can arrest. I thought you'd like to hear how
Sky News, which you're a big fan of, I am
as well.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I think you can do an amazing job in Australia.
This is how they covered the shooting yesterday.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
This wall is an annual celebration for Sydney's Jewish ki
community that turned into one of Australia's darkest days. Police
were called at six forty seven pm. We have analyzed
video of the terror attack film by locals showing the
two gunmen, a father and son. They started firing indiscriminately
from a footbridge just inland from the park, which takes

(10:18):
people over a car park to the beach. We've identified
that the twenty four year old son was using a
rifle and his fifty year old father was using a
semi automatic shotgun. More details are emerging about the man
hailed as a hero. A relative told seven News it's
Ahmed l Armad, a fruit shop owner. He was shot

(10:38):
twice while tackling the older gunman, wrestling away the weapon
after a struggle, forcing him to retreat back to the
bridge meet us from there. As victims continue to be targeted,
people fled down the beach terrified. Those in closer range
hid behind trees and cars. Their deadly rampage went on

(10:58):
for around ten minutes. Eventually police took down the gunman
seventy five seconds apart on the bridge. Police said the
father was killed. A linked car was later discovered on
Campbell Parade, the road surrounding the beach area. Two improvised
explosives were found, as well as six firearms at the scene.
Australia's Prime Minister Anthony Albernesi insisted the safety of the

(11:21):
Jewish community has been taken seriously, but was the police
presence robust enough given the exposed, open air, popular location
for a prominent Jewish event and the anti semicism threat.
If the terror attack couldn't have been prevented, could it
have been stopped sooner?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
That skuy News Greg as to how they covered the story,
and there are a lot of questions being raised there.
I mean, I don't know, I've had a chance. He
ready looked at it as well as someone recorded all
ten or eleven minutes of this and what would have happened?
He Ray pointed out today, what if the person was
recording all of this had a gun in his hand
instead of a phone recording it. Could that have made

(12:01):
a difference? Greg, Because you know the gun laws there
in Australia, as you've explained it. We'll talk to Clark
Opposian and a president of a gun club back in
Australia or in Australia coming up. But you know, if
someone had had a gun there, could it have been different?
Could the outcome have been different?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
And the answer to that is without question, yes, it
would have been. And we know that not out of theory.
But in the United States we have seen and it's
been reported, and it's so frequent that sometimes it's not
reported that people that that you have concealed carry or
have a gun have interrupted people that have tried to
commit violence or are committing violence and shooting other people.

(12:40):
They have interrupted, abbreviated that attack and or attacks could
have been much much worse were stopped by members of
the public and people that are carrying legally carrying guns
as they are allowed to in our country. So it's
not a theory, it's one hundred percent true that, yes,
that could have been it could have been at least
abbreviated if people had the right to bear arms as

(13:02):
they used to in Australia.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I don't even know what the laws were back then.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
When I was there nineteen ninety, I couldn't tell you
what they were, but I can tell you that they were.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
It isn't what it is today.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And I think that all you could see on that
beach were sitting ducks, people that had no chance, absolutely
no chance. If you had two mass murderers on your hands,
they like you saw on Bondie Beach this weekend.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, what is amazing too. There's so many stories coming out.
But the man who snuck up on one of the shooters,
jumped him, took his gun away from him. The interesting
part of that story. His name is all Ahmed. He
is Muslim. And yes, that's an amazing part of the
story that I don't think anybody is talking as much
as they should be about he was a Muslim protecting

(13:46):
Jews and people on that beach from being shot and killed.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, the man as a hero, and the kind of
bravery it takes to approach an armed person when you
were unarmed, and to wrestle that gun away, that is
uncommon valor, that is uncommon courage, and to see that
in action, that we should all be grateful for people
that are wired that way and people that when they
when there's trouble, they don't run. They run towards it,

(14:13):
not away from it. And that man is a hero.
He's an absolute hero. And he was shot twice for
being involved and not just running and protecting himself. But
you got to imagine him taking that gun away from that.
That man had to have prevented even more bloodshed, more murders.
I mean, I think they're up to what sixteen people
now that have been killed, yes, so, I mean it

(14:34):
was eight the day of Now they're up to sixteen
twice that number so and dozens they're saying dozens with
an s that were wounded or harm So I do
I think that man is an absolute hero that jumped
in when he was certainly at risk being unarmed. Yeah,

(14:54):
still intervening the way he did, and I wish that
was being discussed more.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Actually right, a lot.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Of criticism being directed toward police. They should have been
aware of this same thing at Brownie University. Do you
know at brown University of the shooting, it took police
twenty minutes after the shooting to istion alert to people
to seek shelter. Twenty minutes, Greg, I mean, you know,
law enforcement does a great job and a lot of things,
but I thought here in the US we have learned

(15:21):
to respond immediately and quickly, and it took them twenty
minutes to put out notification on this. I'm going to
go back to Australia, Greg, real fast. Listen to what
the Prime Minister of Australia had to say following the shooting.

Speaker 7 (15:33):
Oh, we take a ja's advice very seriously. We work
closely with them. See regular updates as well.

Speaker 8 (15:41):
The Director General of Asia has warned about a range
off threats, but it any Semitism, the rise of right
wing extremist groups as well, and we continue to work
closely with our security agencies.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Are you kidding me? The rise of right wing extremist
group No mention, Greg about immigration laws no mention about
anti Semitism, hardly at all. No mention of assimilation, no
mention whatsoever of any of these issues that are not
only plaguing Australia but countries all over the world. No
mention of it. But he had to mention the right
wing groups the maze.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Last time I checked, right wing extremists aren't Muslim. So
I don't even know how he drew connected those dots
that don't exist.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, that's for sure. All right, We've got a lot
to get to. We'll go to Australia coming up next
right here on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine kN RS. A lot
of people, Greg have been raising questions about how does
this happen in any country that I think many would
agree have some of the strictest gun laws out there,
and a lot of people are saying, how did this happen? Right, Greg, It's.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
True, and I'll tell you I'm looking forward to this discussion.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
I lived there.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Thirty five years ago and so different place, different time.
But I'd love to know from our guests where things
are in Australia, where they were, and where he thinks
they're going to go because I mean, it was a
mass shooting that created such strong government, heavy handed gun
laws in the first place, and now.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
They get even more well. Joining us on our news
banker line is Clark Opposion. Many of you know Clark.
He is the host of Gun Radio Utah, also with
the Utah Shooting Sports Council. And joining him right now
is Graham Park, president of the Shooters Union of Australia. Gentlemen,
how are you and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
And Greg.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, guys, thanks for joining us. I want to start off.
I want to go to Graham. We've got Graham on
the line, do we not?

Speaker 5 (17:42):
We do? Glad to be here. Thanks for asking.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Graham. Let me ask you. Can you describe the mood
of your country right now in light of what happened
with this tragic shooting am Bandai Beach. What is the
mood of the country right now?

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Graham? I think the mood of the country is period.

Speaker 9 (18:00):
I think it's furious at our federal government and it's
furious that probably to a degree, the state government in
the state that had happened. This is a state government
that recently let ninety thousand people walk across the famous
Didney Harbor Bridge after closing it to transport, shout and

(18:21):
kill the Jews.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
So they have effectively.

Speaker 9 (18:27):
Allowed anti Semitism and hate to grow.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
The federal government has a call for recognition.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
In Palestine and the Hamas thing and everything else and
that combined.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
People are seeing it and going wait a minute, you
haven't called.

Speaker 9 (18:42):
These people out, and then the moment after they do
something instead of understanding this is about terrorism and anti Semitism.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
This is not about guns.

Speaker 9 (18:53):
The Prime Minister is trying to desperately divert attention from
his own failings. Even the Prime Minister of Israelis called
him out, the Australian Jewish societies called him out. But
he's trying to divert attention by attacking what left of
out lawful gun owners. There's a little over a midian
licensed gun owners in Australia and he's decided to attack

(19:15):
them instead of terrorists.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Graham, I lived in Australia for a very short time
in my life is eighty nine to ninety one. If
you told me in nineteen ninety that sometime in the future,
when I was an old head that the guns owning
guns in Australia would be illegal. I lived in the
Queensland area. I wouldn't have believed it. It seemed to
be a very rough and tumble lot, you guys are,

(19:41):
and so I'm surprised that such heavy handed laws were
passed and actually enforced. Heard some tough stories from friends
I have in Australia about how the government enforces those laws.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
But let me tell you, is.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
There going to be from a moment like this, someone
that says, boy, we were sitting ducks.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Boy, it would have been nice to defend.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Ourselves or the people that were filming it if they
had any ability to protect themselves and others could have intervened.
Will any of those conversations occurgram in Australia after what's happened.

Speaker 9 (20:13):
Not so much in the general public. I think there's
violent crime in the street levels is probably low enough
where there hasn't been a lot of calls for concealed carriers,
you know. At Utah, however, there's a very strong calls
from the Jewish community about their security guards.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
These communities all.

Speaker 9 (20:39):
Have licensed security guards and many of them are licensed
to carry, but they were denied the ability to have
their firearms legally owned as a security guards. They were
not allowed to be armed at this event or other
events if the public gathering, even I'm security gods in

(21:02):
that state are prohibited from having their firearms so highly trained.
In many cases former IDF people were prohibited from having that.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
And they're in.

Speaker 9 (21:17):
The basis before this happened of even looking at legal
action in that state in New South Wales to make
it so they can have them at pallor gatherings. And
they've come out strongly on this issue for their community,
and certainly you would have to say they've got a

(21:39):
very good argument.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, Clark, can you even imagine Clark, gun laws like
they have in Australia being applied here in the United States?

Speaker 10 (21:46):
I mean, I mean, the easiest way to think about
it is a gun free zone, that the entire country
is a gun free zone, in that which we know
that only criminals have guns, and no one was. Graham
was telling me earlier in the green room that it
was what fifteen or twenty minutes before law enforcement showed

(22:10):
up and some of them actually turned tail.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Clark, So, so where do you go from here? So
you have a country you're in the in this public
policy space here in Utah. We've worked together for many,
many years. What would you say to Graham? He's he's
the president of the Shooters Union of Australia. That's like
the snowball fight in kans Australia. Okay, I mean in
Kansas hot. So I don't even know what a president

(22:36):
of a shooter's union looks like in Australia nowadays because
they take everyone's guns away. I know you have the
grandfather cause, but what Clark would you say to Graham
in terms of how does a country move forward from
a tragedy like this beyond someone's ability to even hire security.
That's great for people that can pay for it, but
what about the everyday person?

Speaker 10 (22:55):
First off, they don't have the Second Amendment. And sometimes
we pay lips or to the Second Amendment, but it
literally means that in Australia you can have certain weapons,
not semiatos for the most part. But those weapons that
you have are for hunting or recreation. They are specifically
not for self defense, and so that core would have

(23:18):
to change.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Wow, Graham, how much do you fear that the gun
control laws are about to get even worse in your
country right now? How much do you fear that at
this point.

Speaker 9 (23:31):
I think it's a massive push.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
This is only what you would call.

Speaker 9 (23:37):
Governors of all the states met via zoom yesterday with
the with the Prime Minister, and they've agreed on some things,
not others.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
There's some really bad things.

Speaker 9 (23:49):
They're talking about, limiting the number of firearms you can
own to perhaps three or five per individual. They're talking
about all sorts of prohibitions and extra things, mandatory mental
health testing before someone get a gun license, all of

(24:12):
which the professionals, mental health professions, they won't work.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
It's a distraction, that's all it is.

Speaker 9 (24:18):
But it's a distraction that if we don't push back,
and as you say, it's a bit like a snowball
fight and can and it's very hot in champs.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Especially this time of year. But you know what, we're done.

Speaker 9 (24:33):
We're done be the punching bag for these guartless politicians
that have allowed hate and any feminism to creep into
our nation.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
We're done being their punching bag.

Speaker 9 (24:47):
There's a million licensed Australians and plenty of the friends
and family of them that go, wait a minute, this
is about terrorism. This is not about guns. These guys
had a full parload of explosives with them. These guys
just got back from a month on some island in
the Philippines that's known for Islamic terror training camps. The

(25:11):
son of the guy was on a.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Terrorist federal terrorist watch.

Speaker 9 (25:16):
List for six years in Australia because of the gun
licensing laws. That means that any time during that six
years they could have taken his father's guns away from
him because of what they call his family associations.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
They didn't have to go to court to do that.

Speaker 9 (25:32):
They can do that without anything, and they chose.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Not to do it. Why so the laws.

Speaker 9 (25:39):
They have aren't working, But they're going to turn around
and say that the people who are abiding by those
laws of the problem.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
They're crazy.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
You know, how can you say for thirty years we've
had the world's strictest gun laws and then every time
there's a problem you say, well let's make it a
bit worse.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
It doesn't work, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Sure doesn't. Graham. We appreciate your time, Good luck in
your home country there in Australia, and keep up the fight.
And Clark, thanks for setting this up for us.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Have a good day. Thank you to both of you.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
All right, Joining us on our newsmaker line Clark Oposion,
Utah Shooting Sports Council and Graham Park, president of the
Shooters Union of Australia. More coming up on the Rodd
and Greg Show. Busy hour coming Greg as we talk
about what happened to Rob Rein or his wife. What
a story that's turning out to be.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
What a horrific Uh, yeah, it's a bad story.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I just believe we all know his movies and we've
seen him his meathead on all in the family.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, we sure have. All right, that's gonna meet up
second hour the Rodd and Greg Show. Stay with us.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'm in my hotel room, so they don't know him
here or else. But I'll tell you when it's time
for me to report. Time for news with Abby. I
just look at the time. I've always told the truth, folks,
when every time this isn't a pre recorded deal. I
look at the time. I tell you the time turns out.
California lies about the time. It's not four h five
right now, it's five oh five. But you know what
California thinks it's four five. They don't even know how

(27:04):
to keep time.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, they just they just they mess with everything, don't
they just.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, they're just messing with me. I just want to
tell you the time. And they got their lying to
me about the time.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
So all right, let's talk about another tragic story this
weekend about the death of Rob Reiner and the stabbing
death of Rob Reiner and his wife. You start hearing
more about this, his son Nick has now been has
been charged with with the murder of his father and uh,
his father's wife.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
No bond has been posted uh for that. Uh what
a story that's turned out to be. Apparently him and
his father had a very very difficult relationship. Uh he
and people will say he's always been troubled and there's
been a real challenge for Rob Reiner and his wife.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, it's a super sad story.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
And I and look, there's a there's probably a narrative
to it in terms of uh a victim class mentality
and and and people to validate themselves by their victimhood
and all those things. And and his their son Nick
had gone down that road about his trials and tribulations
and being you know, being the son of Rob Reiner
and how hard that was for him, on and on.

(28:13):
I don't really want to get into that because at
the end of the day, I think, much like when
we recoiled and we're just saddened by the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, I think him, him, him, he and his wife,
Rob Reiner and his wife being killed by their own
child and in a very what reports account as a
very gruesome way. It's just something you shake your head

(28:33):
and feel nothing but remorse. And I have nothing but
condolences for the Rhiner family. And I know he's been
super tough on on Trump and I he's flat out
lied politically but about President Trump. But no one deserves
a fate like that. And uh, and it's it's a
very makes you, makes you appreciate your family and and
whatever bag of troubles we have. Sometimes if you look around,

(28:55):
we'll take our own bag of troubles versus what other
people are living through that we might not know about.
That was what's happened over the weekend is just I
feel impacted Rod because of all the movies, all the
things that he's done, whether it's all in the family
as Meathead or Princess Bride, or when Harry met Sally.
His contribution at least to pop culture and to movies

(29:15):
and television are things that I've personally enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
So that's how I know Rob Reiner is from those things.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I know politically he could not stand Donald Trump and
was very vitriolic.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
But I feel bad for that family, you.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Know, Greg, it's got to be tough on families. I
have my younger brother who passed away just about a
couple of months ago. Died of some heart problems, but
he had his own challenges. I mean, he dealt with alcoholism,
He had a lot of emotional issues, emotional issues and
the fact that sometimes he told myself and my brothers,
my other brothers and sisters, I don't want to see

(29:50):
you again. I don't want to hear from you again.
You know, after all we've done over the years to
try and work with him, and he just kicked us
out basically. And for other families out there, Greg, I
can I can't imagine how difficult it must be in
dealing with a troubled sibling or a troubled child. I mean,
there's a quote from a friend of the family. Rob

(30:11):
was always heartbroken that his son couldn't beat his addiction,
and he suffered from alcohol and drug addiction. He was homeless.
There were times where he was sleeping on the street.
And here's a famous father who could probably you know,
fork out whatever neat and cash was needed to try
and get his son treatment, but he couldn't convince him

(30:32):
to do so. I mean, it was a very very
troubling relationship a boy. That's a challenge. That is a
real challenge for people. And I've had just just a
tiny bit of it. But I bet there are people
in our audience who are listening tonight have had much
deeper challenges that they've had to face with their children
or a sibling.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think it does bring in homemus.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
It's weird that, you know, I think that the way,
you know, pop culture works in a way that television
and movie entertainment works, that if you have someone like
Rob Reiner, who's been kind of for me omnipresent, like
I said, started watching him when he was Meathead and
all of the family, and he became a director of
so many movies that I quite enjoyed, and you know,

(31:12):
and I saw his I was aware of his real harsh,
harsh criticism and even falsehood's about Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
But you know, you people are like that.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
It's it's you know, it doesn't make anything that's happened
to him, his wife, their family. I find no solace
in any of it. I find nothing but sadness. And
it feels like someone you know when you know of them.
For as long as as we've been aware of Rob
Reiner's work in Hollywood, and and honestly he did. Just recently,
I listened to a podcast that he did, he contributed

(31:44):
to on the assassination of JFK that I found incredibly interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
And that was a work maybe a year ago that
he did.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
And I guess when you know of people and then
you find out that their life as well as it
looks like he's got it, he got pretty much handled
and he seems to be very successful in his trade,
that they were going through some very very difficult times
and ultimately cost them their lives. It's just again, it
just makes you exhale and think, wow, you know, we

(32:14):
just don't know what people are going through.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, you mentioned a moment ago. Here is the interview
he did with Piers Morgan after Charlie Kirk was assassinated
here in Utah back on September tenth, and this is
what he told Piers Morgan when he was asked about that.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
You first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what
was your immediate gout reaction to it?

Speaker 11 (32:35):
Well, horror, absolute horror, and I unfortunately saw the video
of it, and it's beyond belief what happened to him,
And that's never happened to anybody. I don't care what
your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable. That's not a

(32:57):
solution to to solving problems. And I felt like what
his wife said at the service, that the memorial they
had was exactly right and totally I believe, you know,
I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus,
and I believe in doing to others, and I believe

(33:19):
in forgiveness. And what she said to me was beautiful
and absolutely you know, she forgave his assassin, and I
think that that is admirable.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
That's Rob Ryinery in an interview with Piers Morgan a
couple of weeks after Charlie Kirk's assassination here in Utah.
The President getting some heat today, Greg from some of
the comments he made about this. And I'll be honest
I've wrestled with I understand where the President's coming from,
but I'm also saying to myself, come on, mister Trump,
take a higher road than what you've taken so far.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, I don't. I don't agree with it.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
The post that he put out, I think it wasn't
was very unthoughtful. I don't think that any of it
had to do with his Trump Trump derangement syndrome. Not
that Rob Reiner didn't have Trump derangement syndrome. He certainly did.
He called Trump a spy and a you know, a
trader and everything. I mean, he just couldn't get his
head around Donald Trump as president and was really exercised

(34:22):
about it throughout Trump's time as president, his first term
after twenty twenty, and then into the second term. All
that said, there is no room for anything but condolence
is and truth, not just to say it, but to
really feel for that family and for what's happened here.
And I don't appreciate I'm reading it right now what

(34:43):
Donald Trump said in his post, and I just don't
think it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I think he's above this.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I don't think he should point to try to Rob
Reiners Trump derangement syndrome, as you know, making him less
talented as he used to be in Hollywood or anything
he said in this post. I but I will tell
you this, folks, I see a lot of conservatives that
I like it, feel the same, that have asked the
President of please delete this post. They don't even they

(35:09):
if we're going to talk about Charlie Kirk and how
we think people without regard to political opinions or persuasion,
should all remorse the death of Charlie Kirk. The same
applies in this very moment we're living in right now.
We should all remorse that he was he and his
wife were killed so brutally and by their own child.
I mean, I just think it's something we should be.

(35:31):
It should sober us and make us take inventory, not
talk about the shortcomings of Rob Reiner.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, here's what the President had say this afternoon about
his comments on truth Social about Rob Reiner and his
family and what happened to him and his wife. Other
Republicans have denounced your statement on True's Social after the
murder of Rob Reiner.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Do you stand by that post? Well, I wasn't a
fan of his at all.

Speaker 12 (35:53):
He was a deranged person, as far as Trump is concerned,
he said he knew it was false to see exact opposite,
that I was a friend of Russia controlled by Russia.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
You know, the Russia hoax. He was one of the
people behind it.

Speaker 12 (36:08):
I think he heard himself in career wise, he became
like a deranged person Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
So I was not a fan of Rob.

Speaker 12 (36:17):
Reiner at all in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I thought he was very bad for our country. Yeah,
that's what he said today. Greg. You know, I'd like
to know how our audience feels about this, because I'm
with you, Greg. When I heard that and read what
he said on True Social today, I wanted to say,
back off a little miss a little a little bit,
mister Trump. I mean Rob Reiner. And there's a series
of tweets that you can read about what Rob Reiner

(36:40):
has said about Donald Trump. They're very mean, very nasty,
very ugly. So I can kind of understand where he's
coming from on this, and he's being true to himself.
He's saying, I'm not going to praise a guy or
express condolences to a guy who's called basically me a
Nazi and every other word in the dictionary. So I'm
struggling between you shouldn't have done this, mister president. But

(37:01):
mister President, I understand that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. I think that.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Look, politics is I mean, it's important. Policy is important.
But but in moments like this, I just don't think
there's any really, there's any any room for I thought
that him trying to connect it to trump derangement syndrome
and you know, and and anything about himself, I think
was you know, it was just I'm not really called for.

(37:31):
I'll tell you though, that issue aside, here's how small
of the world and how crazy it is. You know,
the book Art of the Deal, Trump's Art of the Deal,
the famous book he wrote in the eighties. Do you
know do you know that his wife Michelle is the
one that took the photograph of him on the cover
of that book.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Really I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Rob Reiner's wife, Michelle took that picture.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, he's the one that took the picture of that. Yeah. Yeah,
that's a that's a thirty six years ago guess.

Speaker 13 (37:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Anyway, there's so I'm not I am not. I I
don't condone, you know, I love this President. I always
and I.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Think, why that's do I? But I'm truly great this one.
But yeah, that's that's not now.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
If our listeners think that I'm up in the night,
and if there's a different take, I love our listeners.
I love the collective wisdom of our audience.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
So eight eight eight eight eight eight five seven O
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound
two fifty or leave us a message on talkback. Could
the President have handled this a bit differently?

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And I think he should have. That's coming up and
your calls and comments right here on Utah's Talk radio
one oh five nine knrs. And we're talking about some
of the comments, well, your overall reaction to this story
and dealing with a troubled member your family, be it
a sibling or a child of yours, and also the
comments that the president made. He's getting a lot of

(38:51):
heat for some of this today. Maybe could have taken
a different tone. Let's go and see what you have
to say about this. Greg. Let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Hey, let's go to Bob from Salt Lake City. Bob,
thank you for holding welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 14 (39:08):
Well, yeah, I was just gonna say, yeah, that was
crass about saying that at this time. But on the
other hand, if the I think the roles were reversed,
he would be pretty vitriol against Trump. He never had
anything good to say about Trump. But there again, I
think he could have been a little more tactful.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, I, Bob, I agree with you. We just didn't.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I he just opens himself up to on that. He's
already criticized so much. Why open yourself up to more.

Speaker 14 (39:42):
Quiet?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Saying nothing or offering his condolences is a smart move
in that point. Or don't be upset when people celebrate
over the death or assassination and Charlie Kirk. He can't
have it both ways really, so I think crass is
one way to put it. I think he would have best,
he'd just served himself and the rest of us best
if he had not posted what he did.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Thank you for your comments.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Thank you, But let's think about this. Rob Reiner was
very quick to criticize Rush Limbaugh when he died too.
Can't forget that.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
That is true.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
You know, good listeners are smart. They sent to the
observation that you just shared Rod that you know, the
day after rush Limba died he had nothing, but he
said that he contributed disinformation and he harmed democracy and
everything else in the aftermath of his passing away. So
I hear that, But I think right now, I like
what John Fetterman has said about Erica Kirk and her

(40:33):
defense as a widow and having children, and he doesn't
subscribe to anything on the right of center, but he
felt like, as human beings, we should conduct ourselves a.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Certain way and was calling out Democrats who were not
doing that.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
So all right, let's go to the phones. Let's hear
what John and Lehigh have to say tonight here on
the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, John, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Good? Hey?

Speaker 15 (40:54):
I kind of agree and disagree. I agree with Greg
mostly that I think inappropriate and distasteful, and I don't
buy into.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
The whole It's.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well, I think we may have just lost John. John
are yeah? John? Repeat that, if we If you would,
we lost a little bit about your comment. We lost
you there because of a phone issue. Say that again
if you don't mind, John.

Speaker 15 (41:24):
No problem. I agree with Greg, and then I kind
of disagree with some of the other comments of regardless
of this man's comments, we should expect and demand better
from the president of the United States.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, okay, that's the important part, Greg. I think we
should back to the phones.

Speaker 13 (41:38):
We o.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Let's go to Dave and Cash Valley. Dave, how are
you thanks for joining us here on the rodden Greg Show.

Speaker 16 (41:45):
Yeah, doing good? Thank you.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (41:47):
I agree with your last caller that I was. I
was very disappointed in President Trump, the comments that he made,
this this backhanded statement that made it about himself. This
is a horrific murder that was not political, and all
of a sudden Trump has to make it about himself.
And I voted for him, I'm a supporter, but these

(42:10):
sort of antics. This was an opportunity for him to
perhaps show some graciousness and to let the people that
he's not what they think he is, and he just
kind of doubled down and confirmed it. And he's still
not apologetic about it. And I think if we thought
that this was unconscionable to have these kind of responses

(42:30):
about Charlie Kirk, we have to remain true to that.
President Trump needs to offer an apology, and I find
that extremely narcissistic to make the murder of somebody else
about himself.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Well, I mean, let me ask you this question. We'll
follow up on this, Dave. But isn't Donald Trump in
a way being true to himself? Why should he offer
condolences or graciousness to somebody who's as attacked him as
an unbelievable rate over the years. I mean, a little
two faced when you have someone who says, oh, I
really feel sorry for him, and by the way, he's
called me every name in the book over the years.

Speaker 16 (43:08):
I don't know why you would have to bring that up.
It's a tragedy. He could have just expressed that and
instead of making it about himself, just express that.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Okay, I see what you're saying, Dave. All Right, thank
you very much for your comment. All right, more of
your calls and comments coming up on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine can ars live everywhere on the Idaho,
on the Utah, on the iHeart Radio app. I'll get
it right later. More coming up.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I'm rod Arkatt, I'm citizen Greg Hughes, broadcasting live from
the People's Republic of California. I'm hiding in my hotel
room so that the leftists don't find me, they'd probably
run me out of town. I've been here over the
years in the past. It's it's it's changed. The town's
a little different now. Just I'll leave it at.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
That different, different, different house.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
So, uh well, I think they're they're weirder, they're crazier
like normies. You can't find a normy to save your
life in an elevator, going down to the lobby, going
to the going to get some dinner. Last night, I
can't find a normy. I feel like I feel like
a sore thumb in this town. I think I look different.

(44:18):
I think I talk different. I think I get I
think they're judging me.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
And you are sensitive, brother, you're sensitive.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I'm not sensitive.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I can feel the look. I can feel their look.
I can feel it.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
All right, let's get back to what we were talking about.
We were talking about the murder of Rob Reiner and
his wife. His son, Nick has been arrested and will
formerly be charged in their murder. Coming up. I would
think no later than tomorrow, if they haven't already been.
We're also talking about your thoughts on dealing with a
troubled child or a troubled sibling, very challenging for many
families out there. Rob Reiner has struggled with his son's

(44:53):
addiction for quite some time. Apparently, story out today that TMZ,
who is on top of this story like they normally
are on anything dealing with Hollywood, has said the two
got into a very heated argument at a Christmas party
a couple of nights ago, hosted by Conan O'Brien, and
that's one of the stories. Good something said there led

(45:14):
to what had happened. But we're also talking about the
president's remarks on this today. Both sides are being very
critical of this. Kirk Schlickter is defending the president today. Greg,
what did Kirk have say? Basically said, one, Hey, knowing
the history of the relationship between these two men, maybe
it's justified.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
He just said, Look, if President Trump wants to narrate
the decade long attacks he's endured from from from Rob
Reiner and and and also at the same time at
the end express his condolences, he has every right to
do it.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
He says. It's it's fake virtue signaling.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
If you hold the opinions that Trump does and you don't,
and you you want to just act like it's all
condolences if you have if you have these feelings, which
the president does, he's being.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Himself and he's letting it. He's letting it be known.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
So you know, Kurt Schlichter has a has a margin
of error for the president. The problem I have, Rod
and folks, is that I've met the President on a
number of occasions. I've talked to his son, Don Junior
a lot, and there is a thoughtful guy and a
dad in Donald Trump. And he's someone that would quickly
tell his own son, hey, you're running a little hot

(46:28):
on social media, which we all laughed, because the president
himself can be running as we're talking about, running a
little hot on social media. But he would warn his son,
I think you're being a little too aggressive out there.
And Tom Junior tells that story just to laugh. That
is of all people to tell that to him. His
dad says it. I just think that it's it's sad
that he plays into what I think is more of

(46:50):
a stereotype than his reality. But when you get when
you get a post like this, it just reinforces every
negative thing that people have continued to say and attack
this president and over. He doesn't do himself any favors
I think best he with all that he felt than
just don't standing at all.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, just don't standing at all.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah. I'm with you on that one, because you know,
the elite media and the Libs in this country are
going to run with this now for up until the election.
To be real honest, they're going to take this coming
and continue to use it against him. We want to
get your thoughts on it. Eighty eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero or on your cell phone dial
pound two fifty and say hey, Rod to the phones
we go. Let's go to Robert in Orum tonight here

(47:30):
in the rodd In Greg Show. Robert, go ahead with
your comment. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 17 (47:35):
Hey, first of all, I want to tell Greg Dolphins
all the way tonight.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Well, we got sixteen minutes to find out when kickoff happens,
we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I stealers haven't made me happy this year, but they
we'll see. We'll see e. Ray's on your side, by
the way.

Speaker 17 (47:55):
Oh, I know I love it Ray because I know
he's a big Dolphins fad. And I haven't been trying
to collea and going, oh, what can we do to
give a bet? Like some kind of part of the
face bet going or something. But I couldn't get through
to ask that, so I gotta I got it, you know,
I got to tell you guys. You guys probably already
know this, but you know the listeners. If it would

(48:18):
have been Trump getting stabbed Brent Wood in Hollywood, we'd
be throwing the biggest block parties you have ever seen
this country have.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, am I right or wrong?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
No, You're probably right, Robert, I'll be honest.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
With you, But Robert, Robert, but here's my problem with that.
We wouldn't. We would. We would point that out as wrong.
We would do it. We would do it.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
John Setterman, as a Democrat, does when he points out
that his fellow Democrats are attacking Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I don't want to be on that side. I don't
want to be on the side that I.

Speaker 17 (48:53):
Agree with you both sides. It's totally wrong on both sides.
But you know, we can't be as soft anymore.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
We have to.

Speaker 17 (49:03):
You know, that's why we're losing the battle here because
Republicans they're way too soft, and the Democrats are just
picking us off one by one, and we need to
figure something out.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
That's you know, Robert, Greg Robert makes a good point.
You know, Donald Trump has has shown those on the
right how to stand up and fight, and maybe he's
just giving us another example of what he what we
need to do. I mean, I think you and I
probably would have said something differently about this. I think
it's very tragic what has happened to Rob Reiner and

(49:35):
his and his wife and his son. And that's tragic.
And I think the President could have left it there.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, I too, But look, I hear our audience. We
have the smart listening audience all the land, and I
hear what you're saying. I just I think that again,
because we're in this fight. I don't like giving the
other side any quarter. I don't like giving him any ammo.
And I think that this is what this the comment
from the president. I would still love to hear somebody
close to him that says, hey, why don't you just

(50:06):
pull that back a little bit. It'll show some humility
and grace and I think we'll all in the big
fight be better off if he were to do that.
But again, I won't talk about it right now. But
then I'm over because we do have other things going on.
We're not going to fall into the leftist's strategy of
making this the only thing we discussed, but you know,

(50:26):
it's the topic. And I call balls and strikes as
I see him, and I'm just going to share how
I feel.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
That's it, all right?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
More coming up It is the Rotting Greg Show right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine. The
whole story involving Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. Both
of them were stabbed to death. I guess they had
their throat slit by allegedly by their son, Nick, who
has had a troubled relationship with his father over the years.
His father has apparently been very troubled trying to help

(50:53):
his son get off addiction. At one time, his son,
I think, told his father he was living on the
street in a couple of yeks major cities here in
the country. So when we heard that news yesterday, everyone
was saying, what has happened? His son Nick was arrested
last night and as I'm not sure as of yet,
but he will be either today probably tomorrow, formerly charged

(51:14):
in the murder of his father and his father's wife, Michelle.
You were sharing something interesting, Greg, I didn't know that.
But the cover of the Art of the Deal, donald
Trump's best selling book, the picture of Donald Trump on
that cover was actually taken by Rob Reiner's wife, Michelle.
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
That that is correct.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
She was a photographer and back in the eighties, she
was the one that set him up, put the background
behind him, really created that iconic photo. And it's like
I said, it's a small world. Given you know how
the Reiner family felt about Trump, but that she was
the photographer of that book. You know, when I was
in the eighties, late eighties, I bought that book for

(51:55):
my stepfather as a Christmas gift, you know, because we
liked Trump. We all like Trump back then, and anyway,
I bought him the book as a gift.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
So that book.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I've known that book for the longest time. And to
find out that she was the photographer that took the picture,
it's a small world.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Have you ever read the book? I've ever read the book?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You know what in the eighties I did.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I can't recall much from it, and you know, I
don't know why that'd be the case, but no, I yeah,
I read the book and always thought it would be
fun to.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Meet him here.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
You know before even before the Apprentice and everything, he
just was always he was very much in the boxing scene.
He put he put together big prize fights, uh you
know in Atlantic City.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Was a helped promote the Mike Tyson fights. Back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
He owned the New Jersey Generals of the USFL and
was in draft and drafted herschel Walker to play on
that team. Anyway, I just Trump was just such a
larger than life guy. It's why he was on Home Alone. Basically,
that was like if you're on Home alone, was it
one or two?

Speaker 2 (52:57):
But he was on Home alone.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
So that's when you knew he made it. That's when
he made it.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
He was in the famous hotel there just south of
Central Park, trying to think of the name of Crown Plaza.
Tell what it was.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, I can't. I don't know. I don't know which park.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
I remember the scene, I remember the scene. But no,
but Trump is I mean everyone liked him too before
he ran for office. Everybody there wasn't anyone that I
don't know that didn't like Donald Trump and his swagger
and his personality. I mean, he'd be on OPRAH back
in the eighties talking if you were president this is
what he'd do.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Guess what. It sounds exactly like what he's doing as president.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
The man he's been strong about you got to have
a fair trade with China. You can't let China run
all over us. He's been saying it for forty plus years.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah. Well, in the next hour, in light of what
happened in Australia Bondai Beach, there, of course a prime
minister saying guess what we need more gun control. Didn't
bring up Islamic extremism, did not bring up terrorism, did
not bring up immigration or lack of immigration laws. And
what happens, and unfortunately it is starting to happen all

(54:02):
around the world. We're going to be talking with an
expert on this about national security and immigration and what
we can do here in the United States. Greg We've
opened up a huge can of worms here. I mean,
we've got what ten to twelve, maybe as many twenty
million illegal immigrants in this country today. Nobody has vetted them,
and we have no idea what they're up to. And

(54:22):
I'm not saying all of them are like this, but boy,
we better be careful.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Well, it just shows you know it for Yeah, Okay, Yeah,
let's let's get into that.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I can't wait. I got plenty to say on that topic.
It'll be a good one.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
All right, that's coming up for an hour number two.
Stay with us.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Got a power pack hour last hour of the show.
And now I'm just so out of sorts because I
swear it's four five o'clock right now, five not six,
not the six o'clock hour. I swear it's a five
o'clock hour, just California. Just to know how to keep time,
I guess, so here I am.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
We should mention that Greg is out of town, but
he's joining us live and is ongoing effort to be
without an opportunity to talk to our great lizard broadcasting
live today from San Francisco. He'll be back in the studio.
We hope if your flight goes well by tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yes, all things Yeah, I'm quite confident.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should be.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
It's time to go.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be. I'll be there
and I've never been more motivated. I'll be back home,
all right.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Before we go to our interview, I just want to
play again. If you haven't heard this comment from the
Prime Minister of Australia, I believe his last name of
his Albanese talking about the tragic shooting their Abandai beach.
List of what he has to say.

Speaker 7 (55:37):
Oh, we take Sidvos very seriously. We work closely with him.
We'll see regular updates as well.

Speaker 8 (55:45):
The Director General of AJAS warned about a rangholf threats,
but it any Semitism, the rise of rought wing extremist
groups as well, and we continue to work close sit
with that security agencies.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
The rise of right wing extremist groups. Greg, and a
reporter out there listed all the tragic incidents that have
happened in this country and around the world. Everyone those involved,
the perpetrator of those incidents all Muslim.

Speaker 14 (56:17):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah, this guy is talking about what right wing extremism
this guy's office.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yea worker, you know that it's not right wing extremism
when the biggest story is that a Muslim gentleman, unarmed,
went and without any protection attacked the assailant who was
also Muslim. Yes, that's how we know it's a Muslim
that did it. It wasn't a right wing extremist. It
was a Muslim that was killing people, and it was

(56:44):
another Muslim that heroically stopped took that gone away from
that man. So we can say it without fear that
we're going to be accused of being racist, or that
we're going to be xenophobes, or that were white supremacists,
that we can point to the Muslim You know this,
that this terrorist attack act was born from and committed
by these radicalized Muslims. In fact, our guests at the

(57:05):
four o'clock hour from Graham Clark for this shooting. Union
of Australia living down there says that the Sun was
on a terrorist watch list and they had laws on
the books that should have allowed them to immediately take
their guns away long ago, and they failed to do so.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Failed to do so well. Joining us on our Newsmaker
line to talk more about security, national security and immigration.
Joining us is Amon Blair is a senior fellow at
the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Joining us on our Newsmaker line. Amen,
how are you welcome to the rodd and Greg Joe,
thank you for joining.

Speaker 18 (57:37):
Us, Thank yous for having me.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Amen, Let's talk about what happened in Australia. You get
your thoughts on this. Australia, like many countries around the world,
struggling now with immigration. What are your thoughts.

Speaker 18 (57:49):
Yeah, weaponization of mass migration is an existential threat, just
as the Department of States recently stated, as well as
President trump book, A majority these migration pipelines are dominated
and governed by transitional criminal organizations, foreign terrorist organizations, adversarial nations,
and ideologies that are not in mind with our constitutional principles.

(58:12):
So like Mexican Cartel's CCP link to triads in de Dagua,
and then Middle Eastern ftos like our Sabab, like what
we have in Minnesota, and so when they go into
other countries, they maintain a hierarchical dias for command structure.
And these networks don't just move people, they control them,

(58:33):
and they control the territories inside of our communities. And
so foreign nationals unfortunately are routinely placed in to debt bondage.
They're threatened, extorted and coursed into labor trafficking, human trafficking
like sex trafficking, and then criminal activity and as we

(58:53):
saw in Australia, terrorist activities as well. And so really
in this system worldwide, every illegal alien or every foreign
national that moves is under a control and is aligned
or has allegiance to ever who they toever, whatever organization

(59:15):
they owe that debt to, they are truly slaves to
that system or government or organization.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
You know, you bring up the assimilation when you move
from one part of this world into the United States,
that it's not automatic, that there's things that have to
happen even before they arrived, the thorough vetting, and if
you can't vet that ought to be a red flag
for you. But I want to ask you this. When
Donald Trump took office the second time around and Elon

(59:45):
Musk began the doge effort, and I learned for the
first time the immense influence that NGOs had and what
refugee services were being provided throughout this country for these
asylum seekers that were being let in with a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Much much lower bar.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
What when we talk about the failure to assimilate or
even those that are hostile to our country living in
our country right now, how much a blame or what
kind of role do you place with the NGOs and
these refugee services that seem to operate in the hundreds
of millions of dollars of taxpayer money.

Speaker 16 (01:00:20):
Yeah, great question.

Speaker 18 (01:00:21):
They are one and the same as the foreign terist organizations.
This is kind of like a public private partnership or
what cost Squad would call a stakeholder capitalism where you
have multiple entities like the UN, you have the American
Red Cross, you have other organizations that facilitated, funded and

(01:00:44):
assisted the migration of four nationals throughout the world. Right now,
when you look at all the organizations that were down
there in the Dairreien Gap that we're assisting, that we're providing,
they knew that the women and children were being raped,
and so they would instead of supporting security for them,
they would just give them rape kits, they would give

(01:01:05):
them a debit cards, just you name it. So the
NGOs are should be held accountable just as the foreign
terist organizations that these foreign nationals are indebted to. And
really the best research out there, an investigation was actually
done by Florida. They did it a grand jury just

(01:01:28):
on this issue alone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
You know, I heard it comment amen from somebody talking
about the events of this past weekend, which are all tragic,
but this this person pointed out that diversity is our strength.
I kind of went, what isn't unity our strength? And
this country is all about freedom, But what can we
do to either encourage allegiance or encourage assimilation. We can't

(01:01:53):
force it, But how do we move in that direction?
In your opinion, aiming.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Great question, I think.

Speaker 18 (01:02:00):
It really starts at the education of our children, our
education system, the understanding of what this nation actually is
and what it means to be actually aligned with the
constitutional principles and what those principles are. I think really
that's really what it starts out at. I mean, if
you look at back in the day, the Boy Scouts

(01:02:21):
of America in nineteen eleven, the Civics, just to get
the Civics badge, you actually had to know the naturalization process.
Now you look fast forward today, I mean, of course
Boy Scouts of America is far from what it used
to be, but just those mayor badges themselves has completely changed.
So the education amongst our children, the high school, our adults,

(01:02:46):
you name it would be, needs to change. And to
give you an example, my mom, she lives in Saint George, Utah,
and she recently just got our citizenship. The oath that
she had to make of allegiance to the United States,
to the and also to the willingness to bear arms

(01:03:10):
to in support of the Constitution, to give up possibly
your life for the benefit of this nation, and then
also the test that she had to go through to
become a citizen. I doubt a majority of the members
currently in the United States would even pass that test

(01:03:30):
of allegiance and also pass that written test just to
become a citizen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
You know, I've been to the ceremonies where after they've
completed all that day we get sworn in as becoming
an American citizen is one of the most emotional and happy
celebrations in the state capital I had ever attended. And
I have so many pictures from those events that I
was invited to participate in. And so I can't agree
with you more that that is just that that there
is a refiner's fire there. That's a positive one. That

(01:03:57):
that is toalks of you know, where we are Americans together.
Let me ask you this a temporary pause on immigration
from high risk regions around this world. Secretary of State
Rubio said, I hate to tell you, folks, but you
know what, there's some places that we don't even have
the ability to know who we are allowing into this country.
When we do, there's no documents, there's no records. There's

(01:04:19):
the certainty that we're going to get it wrong, and
that dangerous people will live amongst us. It is a certainty.
So how do you get a temporary pause that doesn't
sound like a safe course to me politically?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Can we get a temporary pause of high risk.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Regions of the world where people coming in opposes a
threat to us here in our country?

Speaker 18 (01:04:42):
Yeah, So President trum actually has the authority to pause that.
He has a constitutional authority to exclude anyone into the
United States, as well as Congressmanship Roy actually has a
bill that is up that pauses current immigration, the legal

(01:05:02):
portion of immigration coming into the United States, and on
to that point. As a board of trill agients, you know,
under the Bide administration, it was actually really difficult. We
couldn't even vet people that were adjacent to US Mexico,
Central America and one in South America. The process itself,
the technology and the the ability to share with other

(01:05:23):
countries still does not exist today. And so that's why
the Mexican cartels on the southern border were able to
create fake family units, were able to drug children and
give them false identification, were able to push them into
the United States without US even knowing. We released people
that were on the terroris and watch lists on Interpol.

(01:05:46):
We released criminals. There was a non disclosed a dog
that was released last year to Congressman Tony Gonzalez when
he did a foya that showed that we as Bord
Religions and ICE released over six hundred thousand criminal illegal
aliens that we later after releasing them, found out what

(01:06:07):
the criminal record history was. And that is just because
the process of actually understanding who is trying to get
in this country does not exist, and so a pause
must happen. We do not know who is coming here,
their intent or their actual background.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Amen, appreciate your knowledge on this and sharing your information
with us. Thank you, and hopefully this country will do
something about it. I'm not amistic, Gamen, but hopefully we
can get something done about it. If not, we've got
a lot of trouble ahead down the road. Amon, thanks
for joining us.

Speaker 18 (01:06:41):
Thank you guys for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
All right on our newsmaker line. That's Amon Blair. He
is a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Institute,
talking about immigration and the challenges that we faced in
this country today. All right, more coming up the Rod
and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one.
Oh five die can ars.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Pulled up here in People's Republic of California, San Francisco,
of all places. By the way, I saw a bunch
of how can I say it radio friendly, well, poop.
I saw a lot of poop on the sidewalk. There
used to be an app and also to warn people
where all this was, and then all of a sudden,
the app didn't work anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Because this is a true story, the emojis.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Were so it just filled up the whole street, so
they had had to shut it down. Well I saw,
I got to see that story with my own eyes today, so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Yeah, it's true that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Do you know you've been to France, correct I have? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Do you know in Paris they actually have machines that
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
The poop on the street. No, I didn't know that
machines are poop on the street.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
That pick up the poop on the street. I mean,
in France they love their dogs so much, you know,
and Paris is a pretty city when it's cleaned up.
But they actually have machines. They pay guys to drive these.
It's almost like a lawnmower thing or whatever, but it
picks up the poop.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
I listeners. This is a message to you directly. Someone
needs to break it the rod that it's not dogs
we're talking about in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
So he knows. I don't think he knows.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I think he's really I think he's missed what's going
on here in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yes, it's human produced.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Yes, yeah, you're probably not the best topic. It's around
dinner time. Let's see, let's move on. I don't want
to talk about this. This is I'm just you know,
I'm living the dream out here. I just had to,
you know, commiserate a little bits.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
By the way, a second Brown University shooting victim has
been identified. He's you Beck, American coming from the Bekastan.
He was learning to be a neurosurgeon. He wanted to
go back and help his country. He was the other
victim gun down. Of course, we had a young lady,
I guess was vice president of the Republican club. They're
a Brown University another victim in that shooting. Boy and

(01:08:57):
police are getting a lot of criticism and university officials.
First of all, greg as I mentioned earlier, people if
they weren't listening twenty minutes before an alarm was sounded
on the campus that there was an active shooting taking
place twenty minutes the building. It's an old building. It
was a study hall. They were preparing for tests the building.

(01:09:18):
The university has never tried in any way to upgrade
their security system in that building. Very few cameras in
that building, so police are having to depend on video
from neighbors who have cameras identify. They had a new suspital.
They arrested one guy. They let him go because he's
the wrong guy. They have new video out there of

(01:09:39):
this suspect walking around the neighborhood. That's all that they have.
His face is covered in a mask. I don't know
how they're going to identify this. The president of the
university couldn't even explain what the students were doing there.
She had no idea what they were doing there, no
idea whatsoever. Greg and police were late in arriving to

(01:10:00):
the scene. We've learned in this country because tragically of
all the shootings that we've seen over the years, that
quick police response can do a lot of good in
these efforts. But it took police a while to get
there there and in Australia, so we're learning, you know,
It's pretty tragic as we hear this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
This is what doesn't pass the smell test for me.
And I'm not I'm not trying to be conspiratorial here,
but you've got a university president of Ivy League school,
Brown University.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
This is five to six.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Hours after this has happened, and they asked the most
funda The media asks the most fundamental question that you
would want to ask the president of the school when
something like this happens.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
It's a Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
They ask her, why were these students and why were
they on campus and in this classroom when this these
murders occurred? And she her answer was I don't know,
and someone's and and you know, the media usually I
think they give a soft shoot for these presidents all
the time, but they didn't. They say, excuse me, you're
saying you don't know. Don't you think you should know?

(01:11:03):
I don't have that information. Now, let's put ourselves in
that situation. If we were in charge of anything and
something like that happened, I don't know what the first
question would be other than what happened, where it happened,
Why did it happen, Who was there? I don't know
how she would even be aware that those shootings occurred
if she didn't know what classroom, who was inside that classroom,

(01:11:26):
and what the circumstances were surrounding it. And she says
she doesn't know. I don't believe her. I don't know
why she doesn't want to give basic fundamental information about
why that the situation, around the circumstances surrounding that moment.
But to say she doesn't know, I don't believe it.
I believe that she does know, but she doesn't want
to share it for whatever reason. But I think it's

(01:11:48):
I think it insults our intelligence for her to get
up there in that press conference and try to have
a press conference about that with the most basic foundational
question being the answer to it being I don't know.
Now she has no who they are, why they were there,
what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
He said, no, she doesn't know. Oh, okay, now, why
are you having this press conference?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Oh? By the way, I went back and took that
took a look at that list of attacks by Muslims,
not only in this country but around the world. Than
they include the Paris attacks, the shoe bomber, the Orlando attacks.
The list is long, forty three attacks, in this country
and around the world over the last several years, all
of them Muslim, all of us perpetrated.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
But see a trend. Yeah, yeah, you think there's a
tell there?

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Yeah, you thinks, all right, we leave you another.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Not everybody, no, not everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
No, it's not those on the left, those on the right.
It's those on the left. You don't see this right
wing conspiracy taking place at all out there. All right,
We've got a lot to get to on this Monday.
More coming up right here on the Rod and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Rod, I need a personal privilege for a second, man,
I have a personal privilege, sure, folks. I am at
one thousand, five hundred followers on my at Citizen Hughes
X page. But it is right at one fifteen hundred.
That means my one point five is going to turn
to one point four with one person drops me. But
what I want to do is go north if you are,

(01:13:15):
if you are already subscribed, and I hope you are,
to our at Rotten Greg Show X page. Also consider
my at Citizen Hues page. I want to see those
numbers grow and the and our page. But you're you know,
our collective show has more followers than my page. So anyway,
just wanted to go ahead and throw that out there
for you folks for your consideration.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Remember you, rod, unity is our strength, diversity is our weakness.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
And I want to be unified. With as many followers
as we have on the Rodden Greg Show. I want
that number to grow too. We're not at two thousand
there yet, so we'll get there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
We'll get there. We'll get there before we go to
our next interview. Donald Trump today is suing the BBC
for five billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
And you say the libel laws in Europe and then
the UK are a lot looser than they are here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah, And by looser, I mean they're actually good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
So in America, if you are a public official, because
I've had media completely verifiably lie about me, report things
that are that are as a public record or false
and not true. And it's been explained to me that
when you're a public official, our freedom of speech laws
pretty much let the media or anyone else say anything
they want about you. But in the UK you have

(01:14:32):
to be accurate, and if you're not, you are subject
to being sued for libel or defamation, and so they
have stricter libel laws in the UK than we have
in the United States for public officials. And so I
think that when you see that edited video that the
BBC created of President Trump on January sixth, where they

(01:14:52):
completely misled their viewers as to what he said, and
they splice together a spechi he never made, I think
they are libel and I do think it's slamber and
slander in defamation. So I think it's a case that
he could win unless Trump derangement syndrome takes over in
the UK and he's unable to get a fair trial.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
So well, President Trump stirred the spot, the stirred the
pot last week. It's Monday, folks, as at the President
is considering or said he's considering signing an executive order
which would reclassify cannabis. Joining us on our Newsmaker line
to talk more about that, as Paul Larkin, Senior legal
research Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, Paul, thanks for joining

(01:15:33):
us tonight. Could this change happen before the end of
the year.

Speaker 13 (01:15:36):
Paul, Well, he mentioned it somewhere between four and six
weeks ago that he wanted to have this decision made
for the end of the year, and you know, we've
only got what sixteen days left till the end of
the year, so we're starting to reach that point where
it could happen. I suppose any day, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Paul I, I think the frustrating point we've dealt with
the medical cannabis. We have a medical cannabis program in
Utah and and the spirit of full disclosure. I was
the Speaker of the House when we negotiated this. It
was going to be a ballot measure. It was going
to be a nightmare. We cracked out a policy here.
But what was frustrating back then and it's still frustrating
to me now, is you have about thirty five states

(01:16:20):
maybe more, that either have medical or recreational or both
legal on the state level, while still completely illegal as
a Schedule one narcotic on the federal level. And if
I look back, it looked like the Obama administration and
the Attorney General Aeric Holder failed to enforce federal law.
So it puts states in this really awkward position where

(01:16:40):
we have this federally illegal product that you're not supposed
to be using. But thirty five states that are. I mean,
how do you balance that because I'm not arguing against
your concern rescheduling it because I share it. But the
status quo is pretty bad.

Speaker 13 (01:16:57):
Well, let's start by saying that, you know, the mistakes
do not create precedence for later mistakes. I mean, and
you know, I'm a lawyer, and John Billinger couldn't defend
against the charge of bank robbery by saying, well, I
robbed a lot of other banks and you didn't catch me.
You only caught me, you know, with respect to this one.

(01:17:19):
So you know, you flob one ground ball. I don't
think you're entitled to say, oh, okay, I'm allowed to
you know, kick the rest of them. And plus, when
you consider how this system is supposed to work. For
eighty seven years, we have trusted the Food and Drug
Administration with the responsibility to decide what is a drug

(01:17:41):
and what drugs are safe, effective, and uniformly made. And
the FDA has never found that the cannabis plant itself
is a safe, effective, and uniformly made drug. And the
truth is, it couldn't make that finding. Now you know,
the States have done it essentially for two reasons. One

(01:18:05):
is ostensibly it's to provide some relief to people who
are suffering from horrible diseases such as life ending cancers
or multiple sclerosis. Although I think they realize the number
of people who use it for that reason or either
of those reasons is trivial compared to the number who
just like you know, token Ganja. The other reason is

(01:18:30):
it gives them a new financial source to fund activities
they want. And you know this better than I if
you were the Speaker of the House in Utah. The
one thing that an elected official wants more than anything
else in life is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
To be a re elected official.

Speaker 13 (01:18:48):
And the way you get reelected is by bringing home
the bacon to people in your state or district. And
you need additional resources to do that because all the
existing ones are happed out. So taking money from Peter
to pay Paul just makes enemies. I mean, you know,
you know as well as I. Legislators don't want to

(01:19:10):
make enemy. I worked for Senator or in Hatch when
he was a chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, so
I know how the process works. The fact that states
wanted to have additional ways to fund their activities is
not remotely a justification. No state before it legalized cannabis
from medical or recreational use, did any of the studies

(01:19:33):
that the FDA demands before it will find that a
drug is safe, effective, and uniformly made. So the fact
that you know, you have a lot of habitual criminals
in the state legislatures and governor's mansions, because essentially what
they're doing is they're handing out licenses to commit federal felonies.

(01:19:54):
The fact that you've got a lot of repeat offenders
just mean there are a lot of repeat criminals, doesn't
mean that the status quo is something that should be
admired and followed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Well, the states that have approved recreational use of marijuana,
has it increased revenues in those states? And if so,
what are they doing with that money?

Speaker 13 (01:20:14):
Oh? Now, yeah, that's the sixty four thousand dollars question.
No pun intended, although maybe it was. Let's face it,
you know, I'm not sure where all the particular money
they had received goes, but I can say that I
was told that only zero point one percent of state

(01:20:38):
budgets are revenue taken in by cannabis sales. Plus, take
a look at all the costs that don't normally show
up in a ledger. How many additional motor vehicle accidents
do we have from people who are one toke over
the line, get behind the wheel of a car and

(01:20:59):
cause a crash that nimes or kills somebody. How many
people have lost their lives because legislators have legalized a
drug without doing any of the testing necessary to see
if it's safe and effective. I'd like to know that number,
but we don't. You know why nobody wants to know
that number, because it would show the hypocrisy of what

(01:21:22):
has happened so far in the States.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Well, maybe you could tell, maybe, share with our audience.
Schedule one narcotic blatantly illegal. Doctors can't prescribe it at all.
Schedule three narcotic, they would be able to prescribe medical cannabis.
Share with our listeners, what is the consequence of that,
and is that a free for all? In terms of
the worry, is that once you make it, once you
deschedule it or schedule tow a Schedule three, it will

(01:21:49):
be worse than what we're experiencing right now.

Speaker 13 (01:21:53):
Well, in the first place, one of the effects is
that it's going to uker the public into thinking now
it's legally available, but it's not because you can't ship
an interstate commerce any drug that is not safe and effective.
So if the people who manufacture this ship an interstate commerce,
they are going to be committing crimes under the Food,

(01:22:14):
Drug and Cosmetic Act, not the Controlled Substances Act. There
are two statutes involved here, and the Controlled Substances Act
is only one of them. That's the only one that
allows for rescheduling. The FDCA does not. And if you
want to know whether Martin McCarey could make a finding

(01:22:37):
that the cannabis plant is safe and effective and therefore
can be submitted and transmitted in interstate commerce, ask him.
He's not going to issue any kind of statement because
he wants he likes his job, and if he said no,
then he's going to get fired because they're going to
make Trump look bad. Now, are is the fact that

(01:22:57):
you in Schedule three it can be prescribed by a physician?
Is that going to be an effective limitation? Are only
legitimate physicians going to recommend or prescribe cannabis?

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:23:12):
I believe that just as much as I believe that
Lucy and the Sky with Diamonds by the Beatles nothing
to do with LSG.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
You gotta like that that coming Lucy and the Sky
with Diamonds never meant to mean LSD. John Lennon has
talked about that song at one time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Julian, Yeah, I appreciate the discussion with Paul, but I
got to tell you one thing he said that, you know,
you want to get reelected, That's why you do these things.
I just want people to know, the listeners to know
that when I dealt with this, it was the very
last month of my public service, I was not I
had not sought reelection, nor was I interested in it
when we had to deal with this in my last

(01:23:54):
month of public service. And I do think it'll be
interesting as we see this issue play out and whatever
the President decides to do, because I do think there
are studies on the medicinal side. My big worry, Rod,
is that if it gets descheduled, they're gonna what they
could do is, you know, make it put the emphasis
on the recreational, and then completely ignore the research and

(01:24:15):
development of efficacious medical cannabis, you know, treatments which I
think do exist.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
All right, Moore, coming up, final segment of the Rod
and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine kN rs as we head into Tuesday, of course
tomorrow coming your way, Greg. A couple of things. Joe
Biden is getting a brutal lesson on how irrelevant he is.
He can't raise any money for a presidential library.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Who Joe Biden? Who you say? Who's that?

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Joe, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
I think I'm not the only one that doesn't ring
the name doesn't ring a bell, especially when someone asking
for a donation. Sorry, don't know the guy, Sorry, David
at the office.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
He's only raised immediately four million dollars. They are a
thing he now about combining his presidential library with the
Biden Justice Center that's already set up with the University
of Delaware to help him avoid embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Do you ever see those bookmobiles back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Maybe someone that I saw that, Yeah, maybe just making.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
You yes, like for four million dollars, you could really
trick one up and that he could travel to places.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Then it doesn't have to be in one spot.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. Hey, good work on the
part of the Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. Reports are that
more than nine thousand, five hundred commercial truckers have been
taken off US roads for failing English language proficiency checks.
Nine thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
That's like nine thousand missiles riding on US freeways, highways
and byways. How scary is that? Thank you very much,
Secretary Duffy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Good job, Secretary Duffy. All right, that does look for
us tonight, head off, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family and this great count three of hours.
Enjoy your Monday. We're back tomorrow. It's for have a
good nun

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