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August 27, 2025 91 mins
The Rod and Greg Show Daily Rundown – Wednesday, August 27, 2025

4:20 pm: Jon Levine, a Reporter for the Washington Free Beacon, joins the show for a conversation about how money raised by celebrities to help the victims of the 2025 California wildfires ended up going to unrelated nonprofits, some of which provide support to illegal aliens.

4:38 pm: Larry Behrens of Power the Future joins Rod and Greg for a conversation about how Democrats are attempting to blame high energy prices on Donald Trump, but it’s their own green energy failures causing the problem.

6:05 pm: Amanda Head, White House Correspondent for Just the News and host of the Furthermore Podcast, joins the program to discuss her recent piece about President Trump’s executive order against burning of the American flag.

6:38 pm: Author and journalist Bethany Mandel joins the show to discuss her piece in the Washington Examiner about how the American Academy of Pediatrics is digging its heels in the sand and insisting that all children receive vaccinations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome to the show today.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
This was a.

Speaker 3 (00:02):
Deliberate act of violence against innocent children and other people worshiping.

Speaker 4 (00:10):
The sheer, cruelty.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
And cowardice firing into a church full of children is
absolutely incomprehensible.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Well, America is going through another tragedy today, Greg, just
a sad, sad story. And what we're hearing about the
the person involved in this, the children, what they went through,
what they had, you know, what happened there. I mean,
it is, It's just another disturbing story we're trying to
wrestle with today.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
It is and different for me, at least on this
story as it's unfolded, is that you know, I couldn't
tell you the first thing other than the what the
guy looks like that you shot at President Trump in Butler,
Pennsylvania back you know, last July. There's a lot of
these mass shootings where the information is so limited. Even
that the Nashville private school shooting. We never saw the

(00:58):
manifesto I reviewed today before the show to two videos,
uh ten minutes in length, both of that that he
had taught this this uh, this murderer had time to
be released on YouTube and it was. However, they had
had copies before they took it off YouTube, but it
is the most and so you actually you get an

(01:19):
insight into this person and their mindset there. This is
an evil, evil, insane individual and it's and so I
have not been able to understand the depravity in the
in the in the how evil someone could be in
these past shootings we see it from afar. This one,
there's some information and I actually think is as disturbing

(01:40):
as it was to watch that or to see his
manifesto and how he writes in some other language to
things he's drawing, and he's stabbing nice into the into
the notebook over and over. But and then the number
of guns and magazines he has is just you just
and knowing what he's about to do or what he did.
It's really disturbing to watch. But why I think it's

(02:00):
it's important as it gives some deeper context to what's
happening with young people and where their heads are at,
what they're what's going on. And I think if we
talk about behavioral health and we talk about people being
insane and evil, this this young guy is checking every
single one of these boxes. He was clean out of
his mind and he was one evil individual.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
We are for the next several days if not, Wheat's great.
You know we're going to be wrestling with a lot
of questions about this. But the question everybody is asking,
and I will never get an answer to it. If
you want my opinion, why why did he do this?
You know you will. You can have every expert, psychologist, psychiatrist,
every expert in the world analyzing all of this, but

(02:46):
we'll never know why. And that's what and did we
know why? In Uvaldi? Did we all know why? With
Donald Trump? When you know we don't know why? The
only answer I can come up with, and you and
I talked about this before the show started.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Evil.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I mean, we have to accept there is evil in
this world today, and evil sometimes rears its ugly head
like it did today. So that's that's the only answer
I can think of.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Well, the disturbing passages that's in his uh, in his writings,
and he wrote it in English, like when he did
the very end, when he's like writing to his parents
and his friends, he does say I could have shot Trump.
I could have gone after a high ranking executive. I
could have He names off a couple of different targets
and then he says, no, I think I'll go after

(03:33):
children because that's what will make me happy. Yeah, that's
what made me happy. And he says, and I do
this because I think, he says, because I'm sick, and
and so this he is sick, and he's and he's
out of his mind. And you find out that he's
he goes by Robin now, but his name is Robert.
He changed his name to Robin. He's a guy that's

(03:56):
transitioning or transitioned into a woman. You wonder about and
I don't know if it's too early to mention it,
but you wonder about what medication, what meds he's on,
what he's going through, if he's been chemically castra. I
don't know what they're doing the transition, But all I
ever heard is these kids that are that one of
you know, guys that want to be girls and vice versa,
that they're all suicidal, so let them do all this

(04:16):
stuff to them so they feel better. Well, it didn't
work with this one. This one looks like he's pretty deranged.
And you've got to wonder if even that so called transitioning,
h what is going on?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
And I questioned, Greg, you mentioned he changed his name.
I think it was back in twenty seventeen where he
went to the court. Maybe a little bit later, maybe
you're twenty nineteen, twenty minute day, doesn't matter really, but
he went to have his name change and his mother
signed off on this. Yeah, you know, as a parent.
Hopefully I'll never have to deal with this in my family,

(04:49):
either as a parent or a you know, a grandparent.
But I don't understand a parent signing off on this.
I don't know why they do it if they think
it will bring their children some acceptance, which I don't
think it does. Calm this is this is an issue.
This is a mental health issue. And if you want

(05:10):
to talk about an issue in this country that we
need to address, is the mental health of these children
who want to transition to an opposite sex. Why and
what is the mental He don't give them drugs, don't
change them physically. Let's find out what's going on. And
I don't know if we can maybe we can't.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
The report say he was seventeen and twenty twenty when
he changed his name from Robert to Robin. The mother
doing this this has been I mean, we're looking at
the world right now through the twenty twenty five eyes
where we have Donald Trump, you know, President, we have
DEI that's being removed from our classrooms in front of
our kids and our institutions. But if you go back
to twenty twenty, you were a bigot. If you were

(05:48):
to even complain about this, you had to accept it
or else you were a scourge of the ear, you
who suffered from a moral failing. And then you had
people that if the victim class and identity politics made
you gave you standing. Well, being a victim or trans
gave you some kind of special standing in society. I
hate to say it, but some parents were good with

(06:09):
that because it elevated themselves and their kids and the
eyes of other peers. They have this, they have this,
I have a trans child. Yeah, And so I think
that all those things were going on. I mean, Rod,
I can remember a kid walking to the high school
it's near my home, and he had ears on and
a tail in his back and he's walking to the

(06:31):
high school in Draper and I'm a Furrey. Oh yeah, Furrery,
and I'm looking at this going is everyone just supposed
to ignore it? Like that? Is there? He's that's a
troubled child. That child is not. I mean, you can't be.
You're not an animal, so you can't act like one.
And everyone just ignore, all the adults ignore it like
there's nothing to see here. There's something going on here
that needs attention. And I'm telling you nobody, I don't

(06:55):
remember how many years ago was, but they had a title,
and you're supposed to let him just run around and
and do whatever they're doing. And I really think it's
just amazing to me how much common sense and how
we lost or how much we were willing to accept.
And I think the pendulum swinging back. But I wonder
if we're not on the front edge of some of
these horrific things where kids are so damaged in these

(07:17):
years that as they get older, we're going to see
it manifest in some scary ways. Because I don't know
how you do this to these kids and they come
out the other side healthy. All of it feels wrong
to me. Or minimally, let the kids be miners until
they're adults and then let them make decisions life, you know,
altering decisions for themselves. But as a child and a minor,

(07:39):
I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Don't know, and I want to pick up on that, Greg,
cause and maybe I'm coming too and not having an experience.
I don't. I don't understand it. But where are the parents?
I go back to the parents on this, Greg. Why
would a mother sign off on letting her son change
his name so we could feel like a woman. And
why would parents agree to allow their children to take

(08:01):
drugs so they can transition from either a male to
female or advice versa. Why allow the surgery to go
forward when they're thirteen, fifteen, sixteen years old? I mean,
I do not understand where the parents are and why
the parents aren't standing up saying no, that is not
going to happen.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I have doctors, you have surgeons that specialize in this transition,
this castration through surgery of kids to a different gender.
We've got it got so far down the road. And
what I think you're going to find is that a
parent never wants to believe they destroyed their child the
rest of their living days, and so they're going to
be viciously defensive and justify the decisions that they made

(08:44):
to allow that to happen to their child, because if
they don't, then they have to admit that they destroyed
their own child's life, and I think these parents never
want to believe it, but I think a lot of
parents got convinced about something that is horrifically wrong. And
I I'm afraid that we're going we haven't even we
haven't even begun to see the you know, the the
generations of these kids that were impacted from I don't know,

(09:07):
the late teens to the twenties and up until just recently.
And I think there's a there's a consequence for all this.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
We've got a lot to talk about that. Maybe you
want to share your thoughts on this throughout the show
today here on the Roding Greg Show. Great to be
with you on this wing Man Wednesday and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs. The fires in California
in January, Greg, remember we were sitting there and talking about,
you know, the devastation that took place, if those homes
would ever be rebuilt, yes, you know, how about water

(09:34):
for that area? What's going on? Well? And also shortly
thereafter there was a huge concert put on by a
number of well known celebrities and musical groups that raised
a lot of money to help the victims of that fire. Well,
where has that money gone and what is happening in
that regard. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk
about this is John Levine. He is a reporter at

(09:55):
the Washington Free Beacon. He broke this story earlier this week.
That's why we're going to get John on the show. John,
thanks for joining the Rod and Greg Thiro, thanks for
being with us.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
John, it's great to be here. I wish it was
for a happier news story.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, that's for sure. John. I saw you a short
time ago. You're on the Will Kine Show on the
Fox News Channel, and you indicated you were kind of
suspicious of what was going on with this money right
from the beginning. What triggered you.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
John, I will tell you exactly what triggered me in So,
this concert was in January. In February, Fire Aid did
an interview where they talked about the money and they said,
we're committed to spending the money equitably. And you know,
I'm sure listeners of your show know when you hear
the word equity equitable and we're not talking about like

(10:41):
a startup, it's going to end badly. It's going to
end in tears. It's going to be at best wasted
and it worse just discriminatory, and I regret to tell
you that they kept their promise. Overwhelmingly the money was
spent equitably, and by that I mean there were many
many instances where it was it was not spent in
a neutral way, and it was distributed to a number

(11:02):
of nonprofits that openly say on their websites, our grants
and the money from our nonprofit can only be given
to black and Latino people. And essentially, you know, whites
need not apply, and no Asians too, you know, And
it's discriminatory. It's rank abject racism of stuff we would
see in America in the nineteen fifties, and it's happening

(11:25):
in plain sight, and it's very unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
You know, John fire is just not racist. It doesn't
really care. It's going to rage through whatever home is
in front of it. And I don't think it's actually
you know, pausing to see race, color, creed of the
people whose homes were damaged. Are we talking a heavy
minority area and not an area of people that would
be white who would not be eligible for this fire aid?

(11:50):
I mean, how does that leave people out versus how
does it help people?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
You know, I know the fire impacted people of all
races and all ethnicities and economic income brackets. And I
don't think any one group is more worthy of money
and help than any other, because this is America, and
it's so sad, because Americans are such a generous and
big hearted people, as you mentioned, one hundred million dollars

(12:14):
to help people, and and so much of it has
just been trittered down the toilet. And you know, I
didn't need it. This this it's as much worse. It's
more than that too, because there were also at least
three nonprofits who primarily deal with illegal aliens and providing
services to illegal migrants. So now we're talking about money
that's designed to help victims of this fire being given

(12:37):
to people who are here illegally, and instead they should
be sent you know, they should be they should be
visited by ICE officers, handed out you know, cash from Americans.
And then you then it's says you have Liberal wish
list priority nonprofits, like one of them was the California
Native Vote Project, which is literally dedicated to get out

(12:57):
the vote efforts for Indigenous people. What does this has
to do? There was one for mental health services for
musicians from a nonprofit based in Nashville, and when you
go to the website, it's a deadlink. Okay, you can't
even make this up. One of ten mental health focused
nonprofits that receives money, which is like, I love mental health,

(13:20):
everyone mental health. But it's not rebuilding anyone's hull.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
No, it is not. John. Was this information hard to
find or was it as plain as the nose on
your faith? Faith is faith if you just looked in
the right direction.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
It was I want to pretend to you all that
I'm a great you know, but it's I mean, it's
really just fire aid dot com. And you can see
the grants and you can look they list every single
nonprofit that they gave money to, and it was just
a question of clicking a link and looking at the website.
And it was It's a little tedious because one hundred

(13:54):
and sixty of them, but you know, you just do
it and you take these aren't It's not like they
hide this. The the one nonprofit, the Green Line Housing Foundation,
on their website like I might have been first page
or maybe just a link, you know, about us. They
make it very clear only black, only brown people can

(14:16):
get fun that's it. They're not hiding it.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
So one hundred and sixty nonprofits tell me that there's
some that actually do help people whose houses caught on
fire and are burned down. Is there any is there
any that are actually getting I hate to say bad
pun water to the end of the row any.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
I Well, look, there are some that are more legitimates
than others and more relevant than others. Like you've got
some established charities, your church groups, your YMCA that are that. Like,
I don't know what they're doing with the money, but
it makes sense that they would get the money. It's
not I can't. I'm not going to sit here and
say it's all being wasted, but there's clearly a large

(14:56):
amount that is going to very extraneous causes. And look
the proofs in the pudding. Call someone in California who
is a victim of these fires and ask them, and
the people I talk to in California all say the
same thing. Nothing has been built, there's there's been no progress.
It's been more than six months now and people's whole

(15:16):
lives were devastated and there's just nothing. So it's very
curious to me where we have all this money fire
and then you have these people that need the money
and they aren't getting it, and then you just have
these question marks like, well what happened?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, go ahead, John.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
And I'll add two.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
There's nothing more suspicious than a California nonprofit. And I
know about these in the capacity of the homeless nonprofit
industry out there. The state spends billions of dollars on
homeless nonprofits and the state is racked with homelessness tent
cities everywhere. Everyone knows this. It's it's it's like we

(15:59):
lost a war and you go to parts of California
and you just wonder, well, the billions of dollars on
homelessness nonprofits, where do they go? And as someone who
once did a brief moment in the nonprofit industry, I
can tell you it goes to salaries, it goes to overhead,
it goes to Dala's, and very little actually goes to
the intended recipients. And I'll tell you, if you want

(16:20):
to help people, help people directly, Go help someone directly.
Give your money to individual people who you know are impacted.
Do not give it to third party groups. It'll be
flushed down a toilet.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, we'll be John as always very chatty with you.
Great work on this. Thanks for taking some time with
us this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
John, thank you for spreading the words ice.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
On our newsmaker line. John Levine, he is a reporter
with the Washington Free Beacon and Greg, you and I
said this. You know, as these fires calm down and
we're being put out, this area will never be the same.
It will take forever for people to rebuild these homes,
and a lot of them won't be allowed to rebuild
because there's a plan out there as to what they
want to do with this area, and it doesn't include

(17:03):
nice homes.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
It doesn't. It's high density housing. They're just gonna they're
gonna take these people's property away from them. And here's
the thing, as long as they keep them homeless, they
can't vote against them. Can they know they can't? They
were they registered to vote. They're out.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
All right, We've got a lot more to come on
a busy Wednesday afternoon right here on Utah's Talk Radio one,
All five nine Okayn al right, judges rolling on redistricting
here in Utah. The President has finally said something, posted
it on social media today, truth social What's he saying? Greg,
I know you're looking for it right now, let.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Me get it right here. So I'm glad to see
that the President has weighed in. Donald Trump on true
social said Monday's court order and Utah is absolutely unconstitutional.
How did such a wonderful Republican state like Utah, which
I won in every election, end up with so many
radical left judges. All citizens of Utah should be outraged
at their activity judiciary, at the activist judiciary which wants

(17:53):
to take away our congressional advantage. And we'll do anything
possible to do so. This incredible state sent for great
Republicans to Congress, and we want to keep it that way.
The Utah gup has to stay united and make sure
therefore terrific Republican congressmen stay right where they are.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Amen to that.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
And Senator Mike Lee he retweeted that and said, look,
we got the President's right. We can't let this state
turn blue. And you got the wedslay of districts are
supposed to be drawn as per our Constitution by lawmakers,
not independent so in so called independent commissions, which are
code for judge or judges or judges.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, Donald Trump, we know gets blamed for almost everything.
Electricity rates have gone up in some states like California,
and guess who got the blame from Gavin Newsom Donald
Trump surprise surprise.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
Well.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Joining us on our newsmaker line to talk more about
this is Larry Barons. Larry as director of Communications at
Power of the Future. Larry, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
No, so great to talk with you, guys. I didn't
expect you to make national news for me showing up.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Larry. Let me ask you about this article that you
wrote today about green energy and the impact that is
having on our electricity rates.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, it is something that anybody can see coming from
a mile away. What Joe Biden and a lot of
leftists have done is they said, we're going to take
certain sources of energy off the table, including coal, natural gas, oil,
things that are important in Utah, and we're going to
make you go on to the solar and wind diet
that is more expensive the power doesn't work as well.

(19:31):
And they've been doing that for decades. They cheered when
solar plants closed down, and Kevin Newsom cheered his own states.
I believe what just seven years ago saying congratulations to
us we're going to be all wind in solar in
just a few years. Well, we know how it's turned
out that California is facing blackout. California pays the highest
electric rates of anyone in the nation, I think, even
higher than Hawaii, and that's mostly because California gets a

(19:54):
lot of their energy from Western states like Utah, Nevada, Arizona,
because you guys are using it the right way. And
then you saw it to California at a premium because
supply and demand says that, and the rates go up.
So for him to now say, oh, your electric bill
is Donald Trump's fault while they were happy with the
Inflation Reduction Act is absolutely It's just a lie, straight

(20:14):
up lie.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
So in real time it's failing. One of the wrinkles
to this, which is interesting is Pacific Cores provides power
in California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Utah. The weird thing
and you noted this in your article because you say
you got the receipts and you do of where this
power failure is coming, where these costs are going up.
They wanted us to turn off our coal fired power plants,

(20:37):
our generation of power. Flipped the switch off and they
didn't have anything they were going to flip on at
the same time that would replace it. And our legislature
and governor said, yeah, we're not doing that. We'd sooner
you leave than do that, And so we have staved
that practice off. But isn't it the case that these
states that are suffering through these high prices turned shut
down their own ability to generate power with nothing in

(20:59):
its place that was even comparable.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, and look no further than your neighbors.
Colorado's done it, New Mexico's done an Arizona has done it.
And so there's been a whole lot of reliable power
taken off the grid. And let's just you know, get
into the logistics of it. If you take off just
to make the math that you do want to make
a wat of power from a cold plant. You say
we're going to close down this cold plant, here's one
mega wat of solar power that is not one to one,

(21:24):
even though they say that why not, Well, because the
sun doesn't shine when it's cloudy. The sun has the
audacity to set every day. So that capacity that they're
talking about in the solar plant is a potential capacity
and it doesn't. It's intermittent in its nature, and so
even if you replace it one to one with possible capacity,
it's just not going to work. And so the example,

(21:45):
most recent one is the United States used the most
electricity we've ever used ever in on July twenty eighth
of this year. At that time, a lot of us
running air conditioners and a lot of us were doing
a lot of things that needed power. And the top
producers of energy in the United States at that time
we're in order natural gas, coal, and nuclear, so and
wind can only make up about fifty percent. And I

(22:08):
get it people like seeing that big windmill when they
come out of Provo Canyon. But lo and behold, that's
not keeping lights on?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
No it sure? How about the future of wind and solar?
Are do these companies these projects? Are they still getting
the money they need to develop this? Has that slowed down?
What are you hearing on that side of the issue, Larry.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
God Such a great question, because there's a lot of
news on that this week. One of the largest windmill
manufacturers and I can't pronounce their name, it's our name,
and they're a Dutch company. They are having to go
back to their shareholders for more money because the federal
subsidy gravy train has stopped. And that's what you're seeing
right now, I believe in Rhode Island, I think you're
seeing another one in New Jersey. Those leftist green governors

(22:51):
are complaining, saying the Trump administration has stopped the federal
tax dollars to these projects and now they can't go
to which my response is, if your business plan required
a ton of federal tax dollars, than it wasn't a
good business plan. We've repeatedly been told that wind and
solar is the most affordable types of energy, then why
can't they stand on their own well, because that's a lie.

(23:11):
Wind and solar are not very affordable, and they're not
very reliable. And so as America terms more and more
to the reliable sources, will have a better way of
digging out of the energy deficit that we're in right now.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Larry, you'd work on these issues every single day. You know,
you forgot more than I'll ever know about it. But
I so this is my question for you. It looks
like as AI is emerging and the power the grid
and the demand on electricity that the United States will
need very very quickly within the next couple of years,
if not. Right now, we don't have the capacity to
generate this much electricity. So you see some of these

(23:44):
leftists that you wanted to get rid of all the
power generation and kind of you hoard it or to
compel behavior. They're now looking at Neville Island in Pennsylvania,
through My Island, they're looking at nuclear power where they
never looked at it before. Is the new demand for
electricity and the grid changing. Some of these leftists that
wanted to be green and take down all the power

(24:04):
now realizing we've got to turn it up and maybe
get more power generation. Are they Are they changing course themselves?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, you state the dynamics exactly right, and I would
say they haven't changed. I think they knew that they
were liars all along. But let me give you an example,
because you mentioned through My Island and it's a good example.
Microsoft went at through Mile Island and said, hey, we're
going to need power for our AI as you mentioned,
you know, one AI data center can take enough power
as I won't say a small city, not a major city,

(24:34):
but somewhere a medium sized city just for that one
data center. And so the founder of Microsoft, Bill Gates
has for years said, hey, we need to worry about
the environment. You need to be using win those of
solar powers. But when it came time for his own
company to need power, where did they turn to. They
turned to a three mile island and nuclear power. So
when that solar were good enough for your family, your homes,

(24:55):
but for Bill Gates to be able to make a
few bucks, well then he's going to turn to reliable power.
Your point, we do we need, we need more. It's
called base load power, and we need it fast. To
the point where I would argue it's an absolute emergency situation.
More people need to learn from Utah saying no, we're
not going to shut down these plants. So we recommend
the president us a Defense Production Act to start building

(25:16):
up both infrastructure and more plants. And we encourage him
to step in nationwide and halts of the closure of
any reliable plants so that the power can be going.
Because you're exactly right, The man is only going to
go up while we're taking reliable power off.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, that so true. It's kind of kind of scary
as well. Larry always right chatting with you.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Thank you, you guys, are great, have a great day.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Thanks Larry Barons with Power the Future, and uh he
brought up Bill Gates. Bill Gates is involved in one
of those small nuclear power projects up in Wyoming, isn't
he He's invested in that project?

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Is it the rare minerals he's going after?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
I thought he was involved in one of these small
nuclear as well.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
They have all changed, they've all flipped, they're all pivoted
hard towards more power generation after they've they've spent a
decade or more trying to tear down all of our
power generation. Now now that their bottom line looks like
it might be uh affected, now they're bullish the other way.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I did not know that. But the point that Larry made,
what was it July twenty eighth, the day we use
more power in this country than any other time in
our history on one day? Yeah, yeah, all right, more
coming up on the Rod On greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine, Knrs Cracker Barrel decided, well,
Cracker Barrel said, uh oops, maybe we shouldn't have changed

(26:33):
that logo.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, you know, are they just talking to the same
people that Bud Light talked to that Disney talks to that,
you know, I mean how that Marvel and how they
ruined all the good comic book movies. I mean, who's
who's making all these decisions? They're just they're all going south.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Terrible. Well, it's terrible. People are having a lot of
fun with this, including this parody song. You knew what
was going to happen, but how why'd you listen to this?
It's pretty good. We won't play the whole thing, but
it's called go woke, Go broke.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
Calvin Klein said being morbid Leo Bees was cool. The
Nike you use a man and leggings to sell women's pools.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
He must think we're fools.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
Go go broke, that's what they say. Try selling folks
what they don't want.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
You'll find their spell to pay. If you ask me,
you should keep.

Speaker 7 (27:29):
Your politics to yourself and we'll both have a better day. Ready,
Banks lecture and me about d are they for real?
And some whack jobs named Ben and Jerry want me
to boycott?

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Is real?

Speaker 7 (27:48):
It's enough to make your reach for a beer.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
But buds woke too? Next day?

Speaker 7 (27:56):
Hell call that the Queen of Bears.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Guess this funny? That's just a portion of that song.
I thought it was the nice little diddy to play today.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Go go broke, it's a life hack. It's actually true,
Go Oco broke. I mean, I honestly, I don't know.
Even Jaguar they had the weirdest commercials.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
They fired the ceo.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, well they should have. I mean, they were the
most bizarre things. I swear, it's just insane. It really
is so well, I don't know. I think the Pendulm's
coming back our way, which I'm not disappointed about.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
What I love about this Greg and every one of
these stories, it is the customer who is speaking out
and say, oh you're wrong. Yes, wait, wait, you know,
the power of the purse is really powerful, and you
better pay attention to your customers when you do something
silly like cracker Barrel. There was absolutely no need to
change that logo, no need whatsoever, you know, and look

(28:49):
cost him one hundred million dollars, I think, and.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
I think they got a billion dollars worth of bad publicity.
But you know, some people will say any publicity is
good publicity. So maybe they got enough people thinking about
cracker Barrel. Now they're not going to change the logo.
We'll get more business than they had never made the
dumb move in the first place.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I think I'm going to take you off here for
just second. Oh, you're ready for this. Ready for this?
Average gasoline prices over Labor Day weekend will be lower
than they have been in recent years.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, folks, you're with me on this. They we're getting
left out of these staffs we get at the Trump
administration is bragging every single day that gas prices have
never been so low. I'm not seeing it, if you are,
but we're not getting that. We're getting ripped off in
this area.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I think I paid a little I didn't. I filled
up last Saturday. I think I paid a little less,
but I still think it's high.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well, here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
We are.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
We're paying less than when we were when I ranted
about this last week. Okay, but here's the problem. When
you see every station when you go to gas buy
that app, and you see every single station is the
same exact price, something's wrong because they're not all the
same price. The way this works nationally is people come
in low because they want to get you in for
the gas, and you bend inside the communa store and

(30:01):
then you see the companies that the community stores that
kind of combat and try to get to that seal,
that floor that we have a price ceiling in this
state that everybody gravitates up to the floor.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
When you see the ceiling.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Three twenty nine gallon at every station, doesn't matter who
they are, and they're all the same price. Everybody has
gone to the price ceiling. Leader out of that floor.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Wowry paid two ninety.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Is that at Costco Or was that a Sam's Club? Yeah,
ninety seven at Sam's called by the membership. Then you
can get yourself gassed for a real price.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
All right, we'll dig into the tragic shooting in Minnesota today,
talk about that. Get your reaction to it all coming up.
Power number two of the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
This five o'clock hour. Love listening to talking to our listeners.
And there's a bunch of issues that we've been talking about.
President Trump just came out condemning this judicial ruling on redistricting.
They're basically throwing out our maps. If you if you
don't know all the maps that the legislature drew in
the census, this this judge gave no time, by the way,
thirty days to completely change them, which gives you no

(31:02):
time to even go to the state Supreme Court. This
thing has to be that she has to receive from
that our legislature brand new maps.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
And I guess.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
I don't know how you can take that long for
that that this decision has been pending for at least
four months, and it's it's beyond the pale that took
this long. But amazingly when it's done this Monday, and
she gives and I was part of it. In the
legislative process where you have you have meetings across the
state getting input from the public, it takes so much
longer than thirty days. What she's basically doing is she's

(31:34):
trying to get this so called independent group that wants
a Democrat seat in the state to use their map.
That's what that's what the thirty days is about. Plus
we don't have any further days because you've got to
have those districts. So the districts congressional districts have been changed.
There's no getting them back. This judge has changed them.
Now the legislature has to react and draw these new maps.
It's a disaster and I'm glad that the president's tracking it.

(31:56):
It's just exactly what's going on in these other states
with redistricting, and so there's that to talk about if
you'd like. But also this tragedy that happened in Minneapolis today,
in Minnesota that I'm going to tell you I think
that I don't want to sound too morbid or too negative,
but we might be on the front end of some
pretty scary times coming with these kids. The circumstances surrounding

(32:18):
this lunatic, this evil person, this deranged person. It begs
the question is where all the medications and all that
this person was going through did it contribute we don't
know this to this tragedy. And I'm telling you it
wouldn't be hard. It wouldn't be a far bridge for
me to understand that, because I would think that putting

(32:38):
someone through so much, you know, transition therapy and hormone
everything else can't could have its horrific side effect.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, well, here are The number is just to get
you caught up if you've been at work all day
have been able to keep on top of the story.
A total of nineteen people were shot. Two children ages
eight and ten are dead tonight. They were killed instantly.
Fourteen other children ages from six to fifteen years old
were taken to the hospital. Three adults. Greg, I didn't
know this. The three adults were people all in their

(33:09):
eighties who went to the church to worship this morning
and they were shot as well. They're all apparently going
to recover, you know, certainly they're you know, healing these
wounds is going to take a long long time if
they ever get rid of them. The suspect, twenty three
year old Robin Westman, who up until you a couple
of years ago, was Robert Westman, but he changed his

(33:32):
name and his mother supported.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
This move when he was seventeen.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, when they went to court, they changed his name.
He left a couple of very very disturbing manifestos today
videos and I watched a few minutes of them. They're frightening.
It's like out of a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It is.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
It really is. That's not an understatement. It is like
you're watching a horror movie when you see this guy
just mumbling these words and he starts writing on the
magazines and on the gun, you know, kill trump, kill,
I mean, any lists of names. It's scary. There looks
like there's names of individuals on these guns where he's
gonna want to shoot them, the students that go to
the school. He says, I don't I know, my family's

(34:13):
gonna be upset. But the but you know, says a
swear word. These kids. He was going after these kids
without pause. He was targeting them, and and he anyway,
he is just he's just a deranged guy. And when
you see, if you listen, if you see the video,
I think there might be some uh I know YouTube
took it down, but I think there's some out there.

(34:36):
Be prepared like it, be forewarned. But I think it's
important for me at least to see this because this
shows how scary that his mind is gone. This guy
is as evil and he is as nuts as you're
going to see, like like a horror movie. But tell
me he's the only one in America run around like that.
My fear is whatever's going on with these young people

(34:56):
and all the insane medical treatments have been going on.
I just I really hope we don't see it, But
I worry that we're going to see more of this,
not less we are on the front side of all
the things that these kids went through between I don't know,
late teens and twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Well, we've had two extensive We've got this one in Minnesota,
the one in Nashville. There have been involved with a
whole issue of trans coming up. The interesting thing about Westman,
he had no extensive criminal history. Okay, approach from the now.
When I first heard this, I instantly said to myself,
how did he get inside the school? And I was thinking,

(35:32):
we're going to have a discussion today about school safety.
He didn't get the side the school. The church is
separate from the school. He didn't even get inside the church.
He walked out one side of the church, smashed windows,
and shot through the windows with a rifle, a shotgun
and a pistol and fired. They're saying anywhere from thirty
to one hundred rounds in four minutes. So he just

(35:55):
sprayed that entire church.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
The scary part is if you watch his video, he
has more weapons than three that he is prepared and
he has loaded for this, this massacre that he was
planning to do. And again when you listen to him
and you're this is what my big fear is. If
the regime media doesn't want you to know the politics,
or the or the experiences of a mass murderer. If

(36:19):
those politics or experiences align with theirs, okay. But if
it's someone right of center, they're going to lead the
story with. This is a you know, a conservative white
supreme they're going to if he has any affiliation with
the right, conservative Republican report, they are going to run
with the politics or the experiences of that assailant. If

(36:42):
it's on the left, they don't. And what I'm saying
is full transparency. I think that there's mental illness on
the forefront of all of it, no matter what your
politics are. But I'm worried that there's more of these
examples out there. But I think people do a very
good job of keeping us from understanding what may may
be motivating this. And so I think the fact that

(37:03):
this story got away from him before they could contain it,
the fact that that that YouTube video was out there
and that members of the media, particularly on X were
able to pull it down before they could erase it,
has allowed for us to understand what was in this
guy's head and what he was saying and what he
was experiencing. Because we don't have some we don't have

(37:23):
the same type of information about the assassin that tried
to kill Trump. We don't have it about the person
that attacked that Catholic school or that religious school in Nashville.
We don't have that person's manifesto. There's so much we
never had, We never learned. This one got away from him.
They weren't able to contain it. So it begs the question,
is this happened more and we're just not privy to it?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Well, and the questions I have. Of course, the Democrats immediately, Greg,
as you well know, went to the issue of guns
and gun control. Yeah right, they immediately went to that.
But let me tell you what. He purchased these guns legally. Okay,
he had no criminal record, none whatsoever. The only thing
we know he changed his name from Robert to Robin.

(38:05):
So is that a red Now the interesting thing about Minnesota,
they do have red flag laws, maybe some of the
strictest in the country. So, you know, those red flag
laws didn't stop this this time. And here you have
the Democrats guns, guns, guns, we gotta do it. Well,
we don't do about guns. You know, Well, they had

(38:26):
laws in place guns where you know, he purchased them legally,
they have the red flag laws. It didn't stop them.
And he goes and the other thing, he didn't go
in the building. He just stood outside the building, smashed
the windows and started firing inside. And some of the
stories you hear from these kids now were just starting
to get a few you and I heard this comment
from a young man. He was sitting in one of

(38:47):
the pews, the firing began, His good friend, who was
sitting right next to him, lay down on top of him,
covered him up, and he took a bullet and he lived.
You know, I don't know what condition you're hearing stories
like this and what kind of deranged, evil individual would
do a horrific act like this.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
And the issue for me is, you know, though the
left goes straight for gun control. So if anyone says, well, look,
you guys are politicizing this too quickly. We're asking questions
out loud. We're having a discussion with you, our listeners,
about circumstances that we don't usually we're not usually privy
to this much information about something, and what we're learning
is incredibly disturbing. And I think you can draw some

(39:29):
conclusions from that, or at least it begs some questions
to be asked. But this tired old We're going to
take everyone else's gun because we had this happen. We
do not deserve to be less safe because this evil
person did what they did in Minnesota. This doesn't have
anything to do with gun control. This has everything to
do with behavioral health. This has everything to do with

(39:50):
what young these young men are going through or people
that are going through some of this. I'm just saying
that this is this is an issue that I think
that the American people as a issue has been has
been repelled. They don't want to They're not interested in
transgendered you know, boys and girls' bathrooms at school anymore.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
They were.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
We don't want the boys playing girls' sports. We're trying
to keep these kids kids and let them be kids.
We're we're starting to see that coalesce. But what has
happened in the last five, six, seven years while this
has been allowed to be done. I mean, it's it's worrisome.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Back in twenty twenty three, Minnesota declare herself a safe
haven for transgenders. Yep, look what has happened today now? Now? Yeah,
I just want to end on this note. We'll break
and I've got some thoughts you won't believe what Jen
Psaki sad to say about this today. It's it's unbelievable, Patty.
But this was a celebratory mass that was being said.
They've been in school only a couple of days. They

(40:48):
had a celebratory mass for these kids. You know what
the theme of the school this year is what a
future filled with hope?

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Ugh, that's sad, very sad.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
How much hope do these kids have?

Speaker 8 (40:57):
Now?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
All right, we'll continue our discussion and we want to
get to your phone calls tonight eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial
Pound two fifteen and say hey Rod, download the iHeartRadio app,
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a tuckback message as well, your calls, your comments coming
up right here on the Rodding Gregg Show. We're talking

(41:18):
to you today about the shooting in Minneapolis this morning
at about seven thirty Mountain time, where a shooter went
into a Catholic school, well not into the school, but
a church next to the school. These were all you know,
school kids in there for a celibratory mass as they're
just getting back into school. Outside the building, went to

(41:40):
the windows, shut through the windows killing two students, injuring
seventeen others, fourteen of them children, three adults who were
there and participating in the mass, and getting your reaction
to what's going on.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
So let's go to our listeners. Let's go to Nelson,
who's been waiting from Sandy Nelson. Welcome to the Rodding
Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
You have a great show, guys, thank you. This is
going to sound where I'm a Christian counselor. I've been
dealing with GAZE for years and those with gender dysphoia included.
I can give you some insights on why they act
this way.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Please do please help us out. We're trying to understand
I think everybody is trying to understand it.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
This is going to sound really weird, so bear with me.
This goes back for decades. It was not very well
known till recently, but when the gay movement started, there
was a minority among them that believed in changing their gender.
It wasn't talked about because their goal back then was
to be able to have freedom to express themselves as gays.

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But there was a minority that had these kind of
views about changing their gender, and they were really hurting
and really confused, and basically what it comes down to.
If you can understand a male female relationship where the
male is dominant and the female quote unquote is submissive,
that's what this is all about. Among the gay community,

(43:03):
the ones that want to change their gender want to
be those submissive to the male gay and it's like
a husband wife, except it's two men in this case,
and it really causes them personal confusion, causes them emotional disruption,
and even suicide because of all this confusion they give themselves.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Nelson, can I ask you a question the gender dysphoria,
the transgender part, the transitioning that miners are trying to do.
How long has that been on your radar as as
a counselor whatever you're doing interacting with these students.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
This is terrible and what some of these people have
done that I've counseled or even heard about. The people
I counsel with and know them, they go to their
medical doctors. They give their emotional stories and depending on
the philosophical belief of the counselor or even the doctor,
that's what they get the direction of what to do. So,

(43:58):
for instance, if a doctor tells them to have a
sex change where they're mutator, I'll just call it it's
really a mutation, then that's done. If not, they try
to deal with it on a different plane. But either
way it causes confusion. Once you introduce the drugs and
the hormones are disrupted, then they really go wild and

(44:19):
really can become suicidal or even dangerous not only to themselves,
with dangerous to others like this guy has been.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I was going to ask you, Nelson, why do they
turn to violence? We've had a couple of cases. I
think there are probably many more out there that we
may not hear about. Why turn to violence?

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Well, it has to be individualized and analysis on individual level,
so you have to really get into the person's background.
Could be abuse issues, It could be abused from someone
in the family, could be abused from others, even in
the gay community, and they just go crazy and they
want to take out their anger and their fierce resentment

(44:55):
on others. And this is apparently what's happened to this
dude in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Others signed off on his name.

Speaker 9 (45:01):
Change.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
The role of parents on this. As people come to you,
do you talk to the parents about what's going on
with their child? What advice do you give to them?
What do you say in that regard?

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Well, most counselors will encourage the entire family be involved
in counseling when an issue like this arises, but that
doesn't always happen, so it depends on the decision of
the parents. My guess in this case is I heard
nothing about the dad, only about the mom. Probably a
family without a dad.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Nelson, Thank you very much for your insight. We appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Thanks you.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
There's gender dysphoria. There's a book out via a former
gay on that issue, is called gender Dysphoria. Check it
out on the web. Being be able to find the
book that goes into much more detail.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Nelson, You've been great. Appreciate your input on that. Appreciate
you listening to the show. I want to let you
hear one comment here about one of our talkback listeners
said about all of this.

Speaker 10 (45:56):
Hello Rodin Greg This is Steve from Leyton, Utah. Hey, so,
why are people surprised when you feed insanity and it
grows up to be a beast that is much worse
than insanity. Society as a whole needs to stop placating
these people and raising them on original sin. Of pride

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and treat them at an early age.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Because an interesting point too, you know, someone else pointed
out to me we have a mayor in Salt Lake City.
The official flag of the city is a trans flag.
That's what the city is all about.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Well, the color brings up a good point when you
support things like this. And I go back to seeing
this student walking to school dressed like an animal and
acting like an animal, and the the and the instruction
in the school. And I've heard from my nephews that
were in this environment. You're supposed to ignore it and
act like and let them believe that they want to
believe there are dog You're just going to tream like one.

(46:55):
I it is insane to me that that's that that trajectory,
that that is and that is a child in trouble,
That is a child that is that is suffering and
needs help. And I just don't know where this came from,
but I do worry that we're going to see more
of this manifested because I again I don't know about
if you're I think maybe you grow out of being

(47:17):
a dog or a free I don't know, but if
you if you're having it's hormone if you're taking meds
or you've done something, some procedure has been done to
your body for that will last the rest of your life.
And all this happened when you're a minor. I just
can't see how that is going to go well for
society and for the individual.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
All Right, more of this and more of your phone
calls and talk back comments right here on the Rod
and Greg Show and talk radio. What all five? Nine?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Okay? An?

Speaker 1 (47:40):
All right? But I still think the number one question
that a lot of people have on their mind, Greg,
in light of what happened in Minneapolis this morning is why.
And I don't think we'll ever get the answer on
that one.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
No, But you know, again, because there is more information
around the circumstances of this school shooting and this and
what happened today, and we've seen really on any of others,
it does beg a lot of questions that we don't
usually get to ask. We only get to there's only conjectures.
So I think there's more to talk about here or
to try and understand. And so that's why we're going

(48:11):
to you, our great listeners. So let's go back to
the phones.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Let's go to Charlie and in orum tonight, Charlie, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks
so much for joining us.

Speaker 11 (48:21):
Hey, guys, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
We're doing well.

Speaker 11 (48:23):
So I was thinking your last caller, I think had
a lot of really good information, and I think you know,
you know that he brought up a couple of really
interesting things. You know that the left has been pushing
that it's a gun problem. They're basically saying, don't you know,
they're saying it's a you know, the Republicans are making
it a trans issue. It's neither. It's a mental issue.
It's entirely a mental issue. And I think you know,

(48:46):
we've seen over the past several years, especially during the
Biden administration, all these funds going out to you know,
to groom kids, educate kids, pay for surgeries, pay for
surgeries for you know, illegal immigrants and things like that.
Everybody's pushing the old solution in this case. And and
I you know, if any money should be allocated, it
should be to try and figure out, you know, how

(49:07):
to help these guys with with I think, psychiatric help,
and involve the families, right, I mean, the last caller
said that there wasn't a father. I don't know if
the father, if there wasn't a father in it, but
I mean in a lot of these cases, I think
what happens is, you know, the fathers are kind of like,
wait a minute, I had a son, and now you're
telling me I got a daughter, and they just get
everybody gets so confused. They just don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, including the child. They don't know what to do,
do they?

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (49:32):
Yeah, No, I don't think so. And I think you know,
you look at you look at institutions like Johns Hopkins,
and I think with the other one was Vanderbilt that
were touting how much money they were making off of
sex SEXU reassignment surgery, and you know, I mean, first off,
it's embarrassing for them to be doing that, but secondly,
they're obviously pushing it if they're making that much money.
So I mean, you get respected institutions like that that

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are pushing kids in a certain direction, and it's just
besides being completely wrong, I mean, it's putting the cart
before the horse, right. I mean, if these guys, if
these kids are really suffering from some kind of a
mental disorder, you know, I'm not saying that they're crazy.
I'm just saying that they believe something different than what
they feel, right, So I think you know, they're they're

(50:18):
just not getting the help that they need.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, and you know what's sad about this, Charlie, you
mentioned it briefly. This has become a big industry, the
gender affirming care industry has become a big industry where
these hospitals and these doctors are making a lot of
money off this. And that's what's really said about this.

Speaker 11 (50:36):
It's yeah, it is because you know, they're they're they're
not motivated to solve the problem. They're motivated to the
bottom line, right, It's it's kind of disgusting.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah, they're right, Charlie, it is disgusting.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
And I can't confirm it. I've had people reach out
to me to say that there are hospitals in Utah
whose surgeons are still being trained and still performing these
these gender transition surgeries, and that would be contrary to
our state laws. So I don't know if that's out
of state or what's going on, but I've heard that

(51:08):
some of this by the medical industry is still continuing on.
Let's go to Patrick in Springville. Patrick, Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (51:16):
Hey, guys, what a horrible day. But I think with
this situation, it's bad and we need to go to
the mental aspect get the help they need. But we
need to do something like Trump's doing right now. We
need to immediately solve the problem. We need to have
an armed guard at every school in our nation, whether

(51:37):
it's a retired police officer or the retired army. When
I was in the Philippines in nineteen eighty eight, McDonald's
had a guy standing there with the gun. At all
the schools that we went to, a guard was there
with the gun. And you don't hear about these shootings.
We've got to protect them right now and then solve

(51:58):
the problem.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
All right, Patrick, thank you for that message. And we
are attempting to do that in this state.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
But it's a question of money, is it not. If
you if you take it all down to the basic level,
it costs money.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
And and so then so there's been some ideas is
this has been that is discovered discussed nationally on the
syndicated programs, even on KENRS, like on the Sean Hannity program.
People have called it and made these suggestions. And I
and What we have by way of a statute or
a law is that we have a representative. Ryan Wilcox
passed it a number of years ago. We have what
they call school guardians who have to go through some

(52:33):
training and they can be if you don't have a
student resource officer or a law enforcement officer of the school,
which has typically been for our high schools, but not
the middle schools or junior highs or elementaries. There's a
there's a pathway for that, but there's been some hesitation
with schools in terms of the background and the training
of those that would be school guardians and act in
that capacity. Uh, the implementation of trying to get these

(52:56):
schools more secure has become a lot more more difficult
than in theory. And so there's there are some things
I know that they're really looking for and they're coming
on some good they're landing on some good solutions, but
then you got to implement them and some of them
or even school design, like do you have glass in
every building where you can see? I mean, we use

(53:18):
so much glass, and we do for architectural purposes and
for because it looks beautiful, but is that necessarily safe?
And so how do you, how do you design even
the buildings, the construction of these buildings in a way
to keep the students safe. That's never really been contemplated
until just recently.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
So well, think of this Greg today. He didn't go
into the school. He went to a church next to
the school. He didn't go into through the door. He
shot through the window. He busted the windows out and
started firing on these kids. And I'm thinking, you know,
when I first heard this, as I mentioned earlier, I
thought he went into the school, the only safe, really
safe school you could have, Greg, in my opinion, set
it up like a federal prison. And that is not

(53:57):
the way we wanted to teach our children. To send
them do a prison like building so they can learn
but also be safe, and that may be the only
way to do it. I don't think anyone, none of
us want to go along with that.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
No, we don't. And look, and I think that each building,
if you look at where these violence happens, and an
elementary school, usually it's coming from the outside, and that's
where you see the young age of these children, and
who was doing it. Was it from inside, was it
a student or was it from outside? Some outside And
so there is some some trends or some things that

(54:28):
are common where the age of the student and who
they are and how this violence would come upon them,
They come in different circumstances given whatever age they might be.
High schools a lot of there have been occasions where
this is coming from within the school, and so how
do you protect the kids inside the school from other
kids in the school. How do you protect younger kids
from adults or young you know, young men that will

(54:49):
be coming indoor trying to get into the school. And
so it's a it's not a one size fits all solution.
But I do think that Utah has been working on this.
We got a lot of kids here, and we've got
a lot of school facilitating and they weren't designed to
handle this kind of islence. A lot of news So
going forward to news construction, there's a way forward. But
then you want to look back at these old the

(55:09):
schools that are already built. How can we make them safer?
And I know that's going on right now.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
All right, more coming up, more of your calls and
cummings right here on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. We just
had a horrible mass shooting in Minneapolis. But here we
go the Democrats, they cannot wake to make some just
unbelievable comments. Greg the mayor, Jacob Fry said something against
thoughts and prayers. Senator Amy Klobuchar appeared to blame Republicans

(55:39):
for not passing gun legislation that the Democrats won. But
maybe the most offensive comes from Jen Psaki, who is
the former White House Press Secretary and now an MSNBC
host soon to be ms NOW. She went all in
on bad takes. List a couple of things she posted
when kids are getting shot in their hughes at a

(56:00):
Catholic school mass and your crime plan, obviously this directed
at President Trump, is to have National Guard put mulch
down around DC. Maybe you should rethink your strategy.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Would she want them into school? So what she's saying,
who knows what she's talking about?

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, who knows what she's talking about. But this one
is is really offensive. Prayer is not freaking enough. Prayer
does not end school shootings. Prayer does not make parents
feel safe sending their kids to school. Prayer does not
bring these kids back enough with the thoughts in prayers.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Well, she's a Heathen. What the heck does she want
to Clearly this woman does not know the power of
prayer and mocking those that would want to pray. Sincerely,
I want to pray for these poor families, these kids, everyone.
For her to say that, then what if prayers are
so if we as a nation can't collectively pray for
those who are suffering right now? What would what would

(56:57):
she want happening?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
What she want us to do?

Speaker 4 (56:59):
What are we supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I mean, how gross and inappropriate is it for her
to attack prayer at a time like this?

Speaker 4 (57:07):
You know, I know, honestly, these virtue signalers, you just
have to have a ribbon. If you had a ribbon
of a certain color, well then you don't have the prayer.
That doesn't mean anything. But if you had the right
colored ribbon, oh, then then that would be enough. That
would be something you could do.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
You know, maybe she should have taken about five seconds
and to really think what she said. Yeah, because to
attack prayer and people of faith who pray, they look
for solid they look for comfort. That's what they're looking for.
They want to you know, they want to mourn with
those who've lost their loved ones or who have been
injured in this horrible event, and she goes and attacks

(57:41):
people who are praying. And even the mayor said, today,
you know, enough with the thoughts and prayers, how about
time for action. Come on.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Yeah, if someone wants to have a debate about the
power of prayer, like, there's plenty of people in America
that will have that debate with these people here again.
You know, what would they have us do collectively as
a nation? And what I kid you not they would say, well,
if you were the right, if you work a pink
you know, a ribbon or some ribbon, who knows what
a rainbow ribbon, whatever it is, that that would be performative,

(58:11):
that would be virtue signaling. But actually praying, you know,
to the higher power, to the man upstairs, that is
somehow offensive to her. Yeah, it really I Let them
keep talking, let them keep digging. They're in a hole
and they just want to keep digging.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
They do not they Donald Trump has done such a
fantastic job in putting these Democrats in a corner on
the issue of crime. They don't know what to do.
They don't they are trying to figure out, how do
we respond to this if we say anything, we're going
to come across as being pro crime. They are the
party of pro crime right now. Let them get away

(58:45):
with anything they want.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
They have. It's been catch and release, cashless, bailed, and
they've you know, they've done this, They've they've funded das
that would do it, and it's turned this nation against them.
The fruits of that labor have just been catastrophic to cities,
to communities. And again, I don't think that Democrats. I
think that they are a violent party. I think they
operate and try to compel out of fear. It's why

(59:08):
they never have a good idea. They just want to
tell you how bad everything else is, so that you're afraid,
and how bad you are, and how bad you are.
And I think that they see crime as crowd control.
I think they want you to be afraid. I think
it keeps the hordes at bay in their mind. They
don't see people as competent enough to exercise the liberty
of self determination. They want to socially engineer your life

(59:28):
from cradle to grave. And they have a contempt. I
think they look down at American everyday Americans and they
have a contempt and so they don't want to hear
about your churches, and they don't want to hear about
your guns. And they want to hear about that because
they know better. That's why they act.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Well, apparently Jen Basaki and the mayor want us to
walk around all day today after this happened, not even
think of these poor people and also heck with the
thoughts and not even say, gosh, I hope they're okay,
because that's the form of a prayer, but they don't
want even to say that. That's where these no wonder
the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Are that touches Yes, so offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, all right, We've got more to come. Hour number
three of the Rody Greg Show coming up, and stay
with us. Another big issue that surfaces we Greg was
the President's decision to do something about burning the American flag.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Is it's caused a lot of discussion. I think the
left start burning flags right away, which makes them look terrible.
Nobody likes it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Well, apparently this weekend Seattle some park they're going to
have a big flag burning.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Good for them, and so it's kind of the on
brand for the President to kind of troll them into
doing dumb things, and they're they're following suit. But we've
had also a lot of conservatives though that that see
flag burning as an exercise of speech, and they they
have said that they don't support laws that would penalize
you or consider it a crime to burn the flag,

(01:00:52):
so to kind of dive into this issue with my favorites, Amanda, Amanda,
she is so busy on just the News with John Solomon,
and I'm so glad she's able to join us here
on the program. Amanda, Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (01:01:05):
Thank you guys, Thank you so much for having me back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Amanda, what's your take on what the president did when
it comes to the issue of flag burning. As Greg
as mentioned, there are a lot of conservatives, including us
to at the beginning, we're going, wait a minute, where's
he going with this? As we read into it, we
understood it a little bit more. But what's your take
on it?

Speaker 8 (01:01:23):
Yeah? So, actually, for once, I'm going to leave my
opinion out of it. Oh, that's very hard for me
to do and just kind of, you know, lay things
out for both sides. Because all of this dates back
to a Supreme Court decision in nineteen eighty nine that
has all of a sudden been resuscitated in the American
Conversation Texas c. Johnson. It was following flag burnings. I

(01:01:47):
think it was about five years earlier, and they all
the argument at it's I mean not to be reductive,
but the argument was is it conduct or is it
speech or expression? With the Supreme Court, ultimately the rule
was that it was expressive conduct. And a lot of
people bring up Scalia signing on to that majority opinion

(01:02:09):
on behalf of Johnson the flag burner. And you know,
I had Ken Paxton, Texas's attorney generals. I had him
on my podcast on Monday, and I dove into this
and I actually used some of his quotes in my
article because I thought that he, you know, he presented
a good side of things. And one of the things
he said that I think was pretty stark for those

(01:02:29):
who are vehemently defending flag burning as an expression of speech,
because everybody keeps bringing this back up, and he said, look,
the Supreme Court can be wrong. The Supreme Court has
been wrong on Roe v. Wade. So there's an interesting
piece though of President Trump's order that I think is
worth bringing up, and it kind of goes back to

(01:02:52):
the original case in Texas b. Johnson because one of
the arguments was the Texas was not prosecuting, they were
not charging, they were not finding based on arson or
destroying someone else's property. It was on the speech side
of things, which was the desecration of a generated object.
But President Trump's order is interesting in its wording because

(01:03:14):
it says it says his administration is going to act
to restore respect and sanctity to the American flag and
prosecute those who incite violence or otherwise violate our laws
while desecrating this symbol of our country. Now what's interesting
about that is that this is one of the arguments
that was brought up in this original case in nineteen

(01:03:34):
eighty nine, that the act of burning a flag in itself,
in and of itself is an act of inciting violence.
And they have talked to a whole slew of conservatives,
and I'm going to be honest, it's about fifty to
fifty when it comes to whether you think that just
the act of burning its burning the flag incites violence

(01:03:56):
or if you think it is a violation of the
First Amendment. And obviously it's not speech, it is conduct,
but it's it's a violation of the freedom of expression
and by the way, our ability to petition our own government.
So it's a really interesting case. But you know, you've
got people on both sides. President President Trump's history with
the American flag is very demonstrable. I talked about this

(01:04:20):
in the article. We all remember the early parts of
his campaign in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, hugging the
American flag, chacing the American flag even at times, and
he obviously has a deep love and understanding of what
the American flag means to his base. So I honestly
think that we are still going to be split fifty
to fifty a year from now on this because it

(01:04:42):
is it's it's it is a tricky topic, and it's
one that maybe the Supreme Court didn't get right. But
maybe they didn't and maybe they're going to have to
revisit it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
So the way I've worked through it is, you know,
the classic example of freedom of speech is if you
were to yell fire in a movie theater and we
were to cause a stampede and people were to be harmed,
that that would not be free speech. That would be
something different, uh, and it would be negative. The way
the executive orders written to me, it says that if
it incites violence, if it if it is if it

(01:05:11):
is attached to lawlessness, that's where it would become a crime.
So to me, what I read out of that executive
order is it's really not the burning of the flag
by itself, it's the it's the violence and the in
the in what would result from it. Similar to if
you were in a movie theater and you screamed fire
and it caused chaos and someone people were harmed. If

(01:05:32):
you burn that flag and in doing so you see
a riot, you see other lawlessness occur, that's illegal. That's
that's where there it's tethered to that. That makes more
sense to me. And then a lot of our callers, Amanda,
have said that like if you've burned something just in public,
that's not acceptable, Or if you damage someone else's flag
and tear it down, you're not allowed to touch someone else's flag,

(01:05:53):
and so there's a lot of other circumstances where you
just can't burn a flag period, let alone it be
American flag. Does that does that track with you? Does
that sound like it's more about the violence and riots
it could cause by doing it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:09):
Yes, except that the crux of that argument I don't
really think necessarily holds true because you actually can yell
fire in a theater. That was a decision that was
determined I think in nineteen sixty nine. Don't hold me
to that, but that was in a court case Brandenburg vi.
Ohio Brandonburg the Ohio. Well, it's a common misconception, but

(01:06:35):
what you said, of course rings true and that but
that again gets back to the place where it's like, Okay,
you know, if if a husband yells at his wife
in public, and he yells something disgusting to her that
other people around find offensive, does does it justify people

(01:06:56):
around him singing it in a violent manner towards him.
And that's not exactly the best the best comparison there.
But at the end of the day, I mean, like
I said, I'm I'm and I'm still I'm still struggling
with this in my heart because i am. I thought
I was a free speech absolutist until this came back

(01:07:17):
into the American conversation, because I'm torn on being a
free speech absolutist and also at the same time having
such a deep love and desire to protect our American flag.
But you know, this kind of ties in and and
this is more on the philosophical and emotional side of things.
But you look at what happened this morning in Minnesota,

(01:07:39):
and John and I were talking about this on the show.
You have these hateful ideologies that frankly converge in a
person like the man who perpetrated the violence against those
Catholic school kids.

Speaker 9 (01:07:53):
You have a.

Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
Convergence of these ideologies. And I'm just gonna say it,
I don't I don't think it is I don't think
it is a step too far to say that many
of the ideologies that produce violence, including the types of
violence that we saw this morning, and we know this,
or at least we know this from his reported manifesto
and the things that he wrote on his weapons. You

(01:08:14):
find so often that a hatred for our country that
produces flag burning or flag stomping or any of these
actions against the flag, it typically lines up. It's parallel
with a hatred for religion, a hatred for life, hatred
for Donald Trump, a hatred for anything conservative. So for me,
the act of burning a flag is something that is

(01:08:37):
more concerning about an ideology, and I think that's something
that we have to have a conversation about in this
country because that is percolating throughout America's throughout every state
in this country, and we lost two lives this morning
as a result of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, you know, Amanda, we had a caller say somewhat
the exact same thing that you just mentioned. This caller
indicates said, I can be arrested for burning a Pride flag,
and that's considered kind of a hate crime. But I
am not arrested for burning an American flag, even though
I may hate America. So isn't that a hate crime?
I mean, there is a difference there. It's hard to

(01:09:12):
figure out, but there is a difference there, isn't there?

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
Yes, And I was thinking about this earlier today. If
you're allowed to burn the American flag, then I am
allowed to burn the Quran, and I am allowed to
burn things that matter to you. Because you might say
that that's not analence, I'm going to say the same
thing about what I'm burning. Do we really want to
get to that place where we're just burning things left

(01:09:37):
and right? Because the left, I mean, as you said,
they are going to scream until their heads explode if
we do something like that, If we burn the trans
or the gay flag, and I personally am heartwarmed to
see these gay flags that were sneered across concrete across
this country getting ripped up and rebelized. I think it's fantastic.

(01:09:59):
I don't think that that type of garbage could should
be on our public streets. The American flag is a
different story. It is a unifying symbol, whether you like
it or not. If it's not unifying to use, then
maybe you don't belong here. But it's a unifying symbol that,
you know, I think that everyone should respect. Now, another
argument that was brought up that ultimately prevailed in this

(01:10:21):
Supreme Court case Texas Speechohsen back in nineteen eighty nine
is something that we all actually say and we all
agree with, which is the way to combat speech you
don't like or speech you disagree with, is by having
open dialogue. There is no answer to anything that is
less speech. It is always more speech. And the argument

(01:10:42):
that was made is that it should open up dialogue.
We should try to use our powers of persuasion. But honestly, guys,
I don't think these people are persuadable, especially the man
this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:10:53):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:10:53):
I think that there are certain people with certain ideologies
and hatred in their heart that has become so ancerous
and has taken over the lymphatic system of their body,
and has reached every far corner of the molecules of
their of their biology. And I don't think that most
of the time it is it is persuadable. I don't

(01:11:15):
know where that lands me on which side of this debate.
And like I said, I can't believe. I mean, I
do have an opinion on this, but I do also
feel like i'm you know, the Bible speaks against being
double minded, but unfortunately I am double minded on this,
and I think a lot of people are as well.

Speaker 9 (01:11:31):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
I don't listen to radio host Charlemagne the God, but
he actually agrees. He says he doesn't understand anyone that'd
want to burn this flat and want to still live
in this country. He's totally opposed to it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
We don't get it either. Amanda. Always great to have
you on the show. Your insight. I know we'll be
talking again.

Speaker 8 (01:11:44):
Thank you, wonderful, Thank you guys so much for having
me again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
All right, Amanda Head from Just the News here on
the Roden greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five
nine k N r s. Labor Day, Labor Day weekend,
will be gone tomorrow and gotta get on Monday. No, no, tomorrow,
Tomorrow's Thursday. We're gone Friday, Yes, we're gone.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Well, you're the boss man. If I could be gone,
just let you no, we both know, I let you
do this show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
I'll be gone.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Ray's got You're that era boss man said, we're all out.
We're all out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, we're all out. What's I going to say? Oh,
we have Fox News specials coming up on Friday, Yes,
and then great talk programming for my heart talk on Monday.
On Labor Day, Yeah, Labor Day.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Hear Marco Rubio say he really loves Labor Day this
year because he's got four jobs. In the cabinet meeting,
it was hilarious. He was online, what do you mean
by four jobs he's been giving me? He's the secretary
of State, he's the head of US A I D.
He's said he has sent him to like three more
appointments in addition to being secretary of State. The man's
running a bunch of different things. So he said, Labor

(01:12:51):
Day just means a whole different thing to me now
because I have I currently have four jobs well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I like what he said about marriages on weddings on
Saturday during college football seat he said it really he
should be banned.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
It's it divides families. He said, you had six seven months,
you can choose. I don't know why we're doing this
on on college football Saturdays.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
He said he wants an executive order.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Yeah, that's I know he did. Because Trump's really you know,
he can pretty much fix anything.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
There are probably a few brides to be out there
who did not like that idea. If you think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Maybe in his own family circuit. I think that must
have been brought up by I bet you he's got
I bet you he's got a wedding in his future.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
He got a few games out there. He's in Florida,
probably a big football fan. A lot of people in Florida.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Was playing for Miami. His son was playing for one
of the teams. Yeah, he was a He wasn't a
big star, but he was. He played and he was
on the on the team. I didn't graduate last year,
but he got to play. And I think it was
for the Hurricanes Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Really I did not know that, but he made a suggestion.
Like I said, it didn't go very far. No, No,
President Trump is smarter than.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Yeah, it's funny though he got some laughs yesterday. I
look at that whole cabinet and I can't reckon every
cabinet member now because of how engaged they are in
their jobs and with the American people. I can recognize that.
I don't remember a time where I could look at
a picture because they did a picture in the Oval
Office with all the cabinet members where I could just
rattle off all the cabinet members that we have. It's

(01:14:14):
it is a dream team. I think every one of
his cabinet members are incredible leaders.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Do you realize that this was his seventh cabinet meeting
since taking offense in January? At this point, Joe Biden
had held one.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
This one went what three hours? Seventeen?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Three hours and fifteen or seventeen. Now that's a little long.
Have you ere said in a three hour meeting? Well
you probably have been up the legislature. You guys just
had a lot to say.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
There was there were so many headlines from each one
of those cabinet secretaries. I mean, RFK had a lot
to say, Telsea Gabbard had a lot to say. I mean,
you can go down the list. Every one of them
had some pretty big news to share with the president,
but with the media and answering questions too. These are
substantive meetings. They're not just photo that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
That's why they're three hours.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
That's true. They cover a lot of territory. They're doing
a good job, and they try and tell the president
time and time again that they're doing a good job
to save their job because you know, you know, trump'ster
doing the job. You're out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Yeah, he's on a high pace and if you can't
keep up, you get out of the way because he's
gonna he's gonna keep moving. And that's what we need.
We need that, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
We've got a lot more to come right here on
The Wingman Wednesday, addition of the Rod and Greg Show
on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k.

Speaker 12 (01:15:26):
N R S.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
You're staring at me, I know, because radio stearing does
not work. I know, But you know what, you just
didn't really give me a good You didn't really hand
the baton over very well. I don't know where you
were here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
So we do this again.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
No, I'm just gonna say welcome Folks is the citizen
in Houston, otherwise known on Wednesdays as Goose.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
That's all I wanted you to say.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
And we've got more coming. Uh, we've got a great interview.
That's that's patiently waiting for you to stop just creating
awkward silence that I don't even know is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Wow. Yeah, go ahead and attack me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
You already think it's every day weekend, I kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I'm in a weekend holiday weekend mode.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
You're barn, you've started running.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
I can tell well, we'll be back tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
I know this about you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Yeah, we'll be back tomorrow. Yes, we will be and
will be as fresh as ever. We'll be energized and
ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow. Every day
it's every box chocolate. You never know what you gets.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Well, today is not a day that we want to be.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Now, but it's but you know what again, I I'll
tell you it is so unique to see and know
understand as much about this lunatic, this evil, depraved guy
then you typically do. There's a lot to learn.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
There's a point you were bringing up about his parents.
Do you still have the information because you know we
had mentioned that his mother signed off for him to
change his name from Robert to Robin. But apparently is
there some new information about his parents that has come out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Yeah, well, well it's they were so they It says
that he was he was raised a very uh, very
liberal fan, very liberal family and so, and it talks
about his father too. It says that that Robin Westman
came from a very liberal family in Minnesota who fully
affirmed his transition. Westman's eighteenth birthday was celebrated by his father, James,

(01:17:08):
and a trans color and family with trans colors, and
the family had the court change his name while he
was still a minor. The reason identifies as a female
and wants her name to reflect that identification. And so
the question, it begs, the question, Okay, so the parents
do all this? His parents love them, affirmed his gender

(01:17:30):
transition to female, and that actually didn't stop him from
harming children, and it didn't reduce his insanity. So you know,
we've heard that the way you keep these troubled kids
with dysphoria gender dysphoria from being dangerous is to affirm, Well,
it didn't work here, it didn't work in this case.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
May have been other factors involved in this as well.
All Right, since COVID nineteen, Greg, you and I would
agree trust in almost every institution in this country has gone.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Down shad With me and especially.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I think it was a lot of people. Yes, well,
what about trust in the American Academy of Pediatrics. A
lot of people referred to that, but trust in that
organization has also gonne down. Let's find out why joining
us now is Greg alluded to a moment ago on
our newsmaker line is Bethany Mandel. She is a journalist
and author. Bethany, thanks for joining us tonight. What has

(01:18:22):
happened to trust in the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Speaker 12 (01:18:28):
Academy Pediatrics kind of jumped the shark over COVID, particularly
when it came to school closures, and so, you know,
they were in favor of schools reopening because that was
what was best and healthiest for children, and everyone that
was rational understood that. Who can make a rational cost
benefit analysis? But then unfortunately President Trump came out in

(01:18:49):
favor of it too, because he too made a rational
cost benefit analysis. And when he did that, they realized, well,
we can't be on the same side as Donald Trump,
and so they reversed their position on the school closures,
and they did something very similar about the COVID vaccine
for children.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
And so.

Speaker 12 (01:19:10):
You know when when the COVID vexsine and I when
the co vaccine became became available for children, if you
watched the eight hours of hearings, which I did, they
approved it on the basis of parents should be allowed
to choose if they can vaccinate their children or not
based on their individual circumstances. And RFK came out and

(01:19:34):
it's I think they're both wrong. I think the American
Academy Academy of Pediatrics and RFK are both wrong because
RFK came out today actually and said I'm not in
favor of it being available to children. And there's the
middle ground here. In the middle ground is it shouldn't
be mandate mandated, which is what the AAP wants. They
want everyone to get it, but it shouldn't be off

(01:19:55):
the table for people either, which is what RFK has decided.
I would that there was a middle ground and that
doesn't seem to exist in our political structure. But unfortunately,
I think that the AAP is making a is making
their decision and their determination for what's best for children
based on political reactionary considerations instead of instead of the science.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
How much of it's financial. There's reports that they receive
a considerable amount of donations or revenue from pharmaceutical companies.
Is that a conspiracy theory or is there something to
that in terms of where they receive revenue and how
that parallels with maybe pharmaceutical companies wanting vaccinations for youth
because it's just more use of their product.

Speaker 12 (01:20:41):
So I think that it is not a good relationship
and not one they should carry out. I don't know
how much of it is this money. I think that
that's a little bit of a shallow read of it.
I think that they're reactionaries. I think that they have
decided that their politics is their religion, and their religion

(01:21:02):
has overtaken their belief and understanding and trust in science.
So I've never been one that sort of is like
very suspicious of the financial ties. I think that they
are happy to take money from anyone because they're craven
and unapologetic about it. But I think that their decision
making process here is purely ideological.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Yeah, you mentioned a moment ago, Bethany that you know
the economy comes out and says no, let's keep let's
keep classrooms open. Then Trump comes out and agrees with them,
and they instantly reverse their position. And you talk about
if Republicans say X, the AAP will say, why do
we know?

Speaker 9 (01:21:42):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
They do have bethany? What is it?

Speaker 12 (01:21:46):
So when I wrote my book Still in Use, i
co authored it with Carol Marcus that came out two
and a half years ago, I looked at graphs of
the political leanings of all different medical professions, and pediatricians
are the second most liberal, progressive bunch of physicians out there.
And if you look at the donation history of the

(01:22:08):
people who who work at the AAP, for example, it's
all blue. So it's it's it's really, I mean, it's
just it's completely run by progressive And what's interesting, and
something that I also discovered when I wrote Stolen Youth
was that in order to get into these programs, there's
sort of litmus tests that are that are unspoken but

(01:22:30):
very clear, and so you have to answer questions to
get into the medical programs, and the questions are like
how will you advance equity and all these things, and
so if you're not willing to play the game, or
if you're not good at playing the game because you're
faking it, you can't get accepted into these programs. And so, unfortunately,
there's not enough conservative pediatricians out there, and I've heard

(01:22:52):
from from doctors and pediatricians that they don't want to
become part of the AAP because it's such a monumental
waste of time. They like to actually do things, and
so this is something that carries through, you know, everywhere.
The people who like to talk and be paid to
fit and look pretty are usually republic Republican are usually progressive,

(01:23:12):
and the people who like to actually roll up their
sleeves and do things are Republicans. And so a lot
of the progressive idiots out there in the medical field
decided to become involved in the AAP. And so it's
self selecting in that way.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Bethany, You're going to think I'm just a cynic, because
now my next question is going to be very cynical
for some, But I'm I'm just asking. As COVID nineteen
rolled out and you got the vaccines, there seemed to
be a trend, at least that I saw, and I
think many of us saw and we looked at people
with co morbidities. It looked like people that had been
through cancer treatments where their immune system had been depleted

(01:23:44):
through that treatment, or elderly looked like that they were
at a higher risk, or people that were morbidly obese.
The one demographic that seemed to be the strongest or
most immune to the COVID nineteen seemed to be our
young kids. So when you were saying that I actually
would like to you were saying that you think the
parents should have a choice observationally, is there a risk
for children? Where do you think that the vaccine would

(01:24:07):
be called for? Because I thought, wouldn't it be great
to be young again? Because they seem to be the
strongest demographic of people on the planet that this that
COVID nineteen doesn't harm.

Speaker 12 (01:24:18):
Yes, thank god. I mean there's always going to be
the contingent of parents who can't make a rational risk assessment,
and so there will always be parents their kids do
not have any reason to have a COVID shot, and
yet they're seeking them out. And I see these friends,
I see friends on my Facebook who we're seeking these
shots for their children. It's like a booster for their
healthy three year old, and like, what are you doing
your what is your calculus there? But I also have

(01:24:39):
a friend whose ten year old son has undergone something
like fifteen open heart surgeries and reconstruction.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
That makes sense.

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
Here, I could see it.

Speaker 12 (01:24:51):
I can see it. I can tell you I do
falter for wanting to get him the shot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
No, I see that with them, especially when your immune
system has been attacked, because that's how you treat cancer.
And I could see where that's that becomes a risk
and that but that's not a use issue. That's really
the the other issues that are contributing to people's vulnerability
to it. Anyway, I just wanted to know if, because
I was surprised here you say that there were circumstances
where you thought kids could get it, because but I

(01:25:15):
would agree that if it's cancer treatments or things that harmed,
you know, put the kid a child in the same
comorbidity that we are seeing it at play out in others,
that would make sense. But I think kids by age
are pretty immune.

Speaker 12 (01:25:28):
Yes, I mean I ultimately I always err on the
side of parental rights and parents making decisions based on
their individual circumstances. I believe that in the sphere of education,
and I believe it in this sphere too, And that's
that's a nuance that a lot of people are uncomfortable with,
especially on vaccines, because I think they should be available
to the people, like these COVID vaccines. I think they

(01:25:49):
should be available to people if they want them, but
they also shouldn't be mandated, and we face that a lot,
especially here in the crazy, crazy DC area, where you know,
I couldn't all my kids in a violin camp unless
they were vaccinated for COVID and my kids were like
eight years old at the time, and so I really
chased against that. But I'm also uncomfortable with, you know,

(01:26:10):
the prospect of people not being able to choose to
vaccinate your children if they want to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Bethany Mandel joining us on our Any Our Newsmaker line.
She's a journalist and author writing about the American Academy
of Pediatrics. The trust factor is way down. Remember those
days where you couldn't do anything unless you had a
vaccine card and you had to show it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
Yeah, yeah, I checked out of all that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
You didn't do it, and you're you're just a rebel.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
I wasn't doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I don't blame you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
I went, I got in the line, and I went
and got my antibodies tested. I had a I had
a test often. Yeah, once a month.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Yeah, you were, And.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Those antibates once you get COVID, you have those antibodies
for a year. I did really well. I didn't know
that it gets weaker. I mean, the dots get the
kind of fade, but they get it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
So okay, all right, uh more to come the Rod
and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine,
Kay and arrests. We have we have had. We've grown
very fond of the judiciary.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
If by fond loathing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Yes, in this stat and around the country.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
Right, they want to shut down Alligator Alcatraz, the judge Alchatraz.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
We got the judge here who's tossing out the redistrict team.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
She wants to draw all the districts.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Well, apparently this is not so much dealing with a
drudge judge, But apparently prosecutors in DC have failed to
secure an indictment against the man who threw the sandwich
at a federal agent.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
That doesn't surprise Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Judge it now, no, not good. You aren't going anywhere
with this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Now, and I'll tell you what, good luck on a
on a grand jury on anything like. Because they're just
so leftists, you're just not going to get. You're not
going to get anywhere in DC if you're a Republican
and yet crime has been committed against you or anything else,
you're just not getting. You're not getting a jury of
your peers. You have no peers in Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Yeah, that's true. Remember Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan. No, never,
it doesn't wring about. She was the genius who, as
a judge, thought it would be a good idea to
hide an illegal alien her courtroom and then help them escape.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Not only but she told the ICE agents to go
that way and then ran and got them and send
them that way. So she didn't just help them get
out of there without getting caught. She misled the ICE
agents to go to a different places.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
She did well. She was caught on tape, and she's
facing two charges which could cost her up to six
years in prison and a maximum of three hundred and
fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
I hope I get my hopes up there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Judge yesterday refused to drop the charges.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Good. Oh you know why, because she say I get
judicial judicial immunity. They just think they're they get God complexes,
these judges, they really do. Yeah, yeah I can't. I'm
on tilt about judges right now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Yeah. Really. And a judge up in Wyoming, here we
go again. Red state liberal judge has once again dismissed
former University of Wyoming students lawsuit against their sorority for
allowing a biological male to join their group. Good. He said,
the sorority can define women as it's as it chooses,

(01:29:09):
and they've defined it as not only your sex, but
also your gender identity.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
So if you identify as a woman, I thought they
weren't allowing him to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
No, they allowed him to come there and members. They
sued and tried to get the sorority to stop it,
and the judge said, you can't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
It's another example. I hate that one too, But this
is a Catlan kind of a lousy verse. Although the
one judge said that she had this face charges, which
is good. Yeah, she doesn't get judicial immunity.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
That's nice, that's not gonna happen. I didn't know this,
but I've been wondering where he's been. Fox News. John
Roberts on Fox News, the host of What Is It America,
reports they do a great job. He apparently has been
hospitalized with a severe case of malaria. You're kidding, No.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
I will when you get malaria?

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Have you had it?

Speaker 11 (01:29:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
I fortunately did not up. But I will tell you
I served in an area of the world where you
could get it, and I knew fellow missionaries to get
you get it. You have it for life. It can
and it can surface anytime once you get it. At
any moment, it could surface it and it's a sweats
and it's sick, and it's I took I took a
missionary to the hospital. It was so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Kind of an embarrassing moment. A California mother said she
was left violated on a British Airlines Airlines Red Eye
flight in June when a crew member lifted her nursing
coverer without consent, exposing her while she breastfed her infant daughter.
She was feeding her daughter, had it covered right breastfeeding

(01:30:39):
her daughter. The flight attendant came by and said, do
you want dinner? She said not now, I'm breastfeeding. Could
you come back. For some reason, he lifted her cloth,
exposing both her breasts. Why, I don't know. Sounds like
a pervert. That's rude.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Yeah, so what did she do? Is she?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
She?

Speaker 6 (01:30:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
She just brought it up. Oh, that's sad story. That
is felt violated.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
No, sounds like something you would do.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
No, come on, I wouldn't do that. No way, I'm nice.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Yes you are.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
I'm renaissance, Greg. That's kinder gentler, Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Really I am okay? All right, that doesn't for us tonight,
kinder gentler Greg. Thanks for noticing, as we say agent
every night, head up, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family in this great country of ours. Thanks
for joining us tonight. We'll be back tomorrow, and for
I have a good evening.

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