The Rod and Greg Show: Roberts Calls Out Trump; Dems Have Authenticity Problem; What we can learn from Washington

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And it is wing Man Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is wing Man wednesdayket this is how this got started.
We should be you know, new listeners are going, well,
what does wing Man Wednesday mean? Well, we used to
have you on only once a week.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I used to come on just on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Remember it started. You were only on for about five minutes.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Well yeah, and I demanded more time, long time, more time. Segments.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
You had two segments, and then we said well let's
try this for one day, all three hours. And from
there has grown that you're a now part of the show.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
And since then it's like it's like it's been a disease.
You can't you can't get rid of me. I just
I just hang on grow, I just keep growing. You
just can't get rid of me.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, there, there, there, I love to have you here. Uh,
there is a lot going on today as well. We're
going to be talking here very shortly about what is
going on with Tesla and the attacks on Tesla. What
did Elon Musk do to deserve this? Remember a couple
of years ago there was a story out that he
could have been a darling of the Democratic Party, but

(00:56):
the Democrats turned him away during the I think of
what was it the Obama administration. I think you know
he was. They were working very closely, but Obama and
his team turned him away, and he said, well, if
you don't want me, I'll go over to the Republicans.
Became very good friends with Donald Trump. And now look
what he's doing. But boy, is his business under attack.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, when you say he's going, I'll go the other way.
All it was is he was asking some hard questions,
do some things, and then, in pure Democrat form, you're
not allowed to ask questions, you're not allowed to have
an opposing opinion or even a very and challenged the
narrative that's been presented to you. And I think he did,
and he found that to be a freedom of speech issue,
and he kind of went from there. I think he

(01:36):
was he has, I honestly believe we would not have
freedom of speech or the ability to communicate with one
another as a country, as a people if not freedom
and musk. I think he really did break down that monopoly.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
They sure did. Well, we'll talk about that. We'll talk
about how the media kind of shrugged off. Remember when
Joe Biden told the Supreme Court debasically, eh, I'm going
to do what I want to do. When it came
to still Loans, well, the media never never even talked
about or covered then. But why Donald Trump is now
telling all these judges who were out there trying to

(02:09):
bring him down that he's going to fight him and
the media is having a field day with that. We'll
talk about that. We'll talk about the Democrats authenticity problem
a little bit later on what we could learn today
from George Washington, and then we'll get under the whole
John Roberts thing as well. And in the five o'clock hour,
has Donald Trump and Elon Musk made federal employees America's

(02:30):
favorite punching bag? We'll get your reaction to that that conversation. Yeah,
you have a few thoughts on that. So a great
show lined up for you today. We hope you enjoyed.
Is your work, your way home or doing your various errands?
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. Now, before
we talk about Elon Musk and what's going on with Tesla,

(02:51):
I need to bring this story up. Craig one of
the five state centers, remember this story from yesterday in
Minnesota who filed a bill basically seeking to classify Trump
derangement syndrome as a mental illness. Yes, okay, the chief
sponsored the bill. Well, guess what happened to him after

(03:11):
he introduced that bill?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
What?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
He was arrested. The same day, Senator Justin Icorn was
arrested in Bloomington for allegedly trying to solicit sect from
a minor talk about a mental illness. Right police A. Icorn,
who Senate Bio, states he is married with four children,
communicated with an undercovered detective believing he was talking to

(03:36):
a sixteen year old girl. Acorn was arrested without incident
after he arranged a meeting or meet up in the
Minneapolis suburb and was met by uniform police officers instead.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, I don't want him running that bill. That Trump
arrangement was a mental illness bill. That's not a very
good face for the whole bill. That's not a good one.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Certainly is all right. Story of the day. And you
may have seen the video from yesterday I think it
was in Vegas, greg where somebody lit three or four
tesla's on fire.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
There.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
We saw a picture earlier today was on social media
of a guy in Colorado he was at the gym,
got out of his car, looked around to make sure
nobody saw him, and went and keyed a Tesla and
I think wrote Nazi on it is what they did. Well.
He thought he was getting away with it, but apparently not.
There were cameras that saw him, and he has been

(04:28):
arrested and charged. So but this is just the beginning.
I mean there you were telling me there are now
websites identifying Tesla owners around the country.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Saw a website today shut down. I don't know. I
hope law enforcement shut it down, called doge quest, and
it was had a map of the country and you
could zoom in and if you zoomed into Utah you
could see not just the Tesla dealerships in the state
of Utah. They have for some reason, they have the
information of Tesla automobile owners really other names or addresses.

(04:58):
And then they also included the data Republicans husband's distillery
as another place is another target. And the doge quest
website is telling you to go after people and if
you give proof that you've gotten rid of your Tesla,
then they would stop harassing you. Look the dictionary, it's
the definition of terrorism is the unlawful use of violence

(05:19):
and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
If that's not what we're talking about right here, then
I don't know what we're talking about. There's no hyperbole
in this. This is domestic terrorism. This is what they're doing.
And by the way, folks, it's not organic. It's not
a bunch of lefties who've just had enough of Elon
Musk finding all this fraud, waste and abuse and taking

(05:41):
it personally and really wanting to see the government spend
that much more. The people that are taking it personally
are the people that have been receiving the hundreds of
billions of dollars and their sources of income are being
shut off, and they are organizing these protests, and they
are paying rented protesters to do it, and then if
they can get some lemmings and sheep to follow along
the way and buy into their narrative, then they do.

(06:02):
But it is not Americans, it's not the population as
a whole. This is a very strategic and paid for
effort by the left. The people that have been in
this cottage industry. Cottage industry saying it too well, This
organized crime mobsters aren't as blatant as these guys are,
but they are organizing. These These are organized acts of violence,

(06:25):
and they're trying to pull in the public to think
that this is just you know, citizens just had enough.
We've had enough. We don't want to see elon musk
rob us anymore. How did we think the draining of
a swamp, what it would look like, what it would
sound like, but for the people inside that swamp, screaming, kicking, yelling,
scratching their way trying to stop whoever was trying to

(06:45):
drain that swamp. How about the billions of dollars that
the Biden administration shuttled into city bank accounts, billions so
that as soon as they got out of office, Trump
administration wasn't supposed to know about it, and then they
could funnel it out everywhere. Well, Epa lee Zelden finds it.
One of these rotten judges who, by the way spouses
or household income comes from these same NGOs, ruled that

(07:08):
you can't touch the twenty billion in that account. They
have to give it away, They have to give it
to all the people, including that Stacy Abrams from They
had a three hundred dollars account They're going to get
hundreds of millions in there. Now you can't touch it
because the judge says you can't. These judges have direct
contact or household income from these NGOs. They really do.
There's there's clear conflicts there, and we're just it is

(07:32):
not the American people, folks, We're the ones being robbed
blind by this and all these acts of violence. You see.
This is not people rising up. These are organized attacks
from the money to class who've been taking federal money
without any accountability, without Congress even being aware of it,
and have been doing it for so long. This is
their last gasp. This is why they hate Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Are these occupy Wall streeters who just trying to find
out trying to find out something something else to do
to destroyed?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, no, no, it's not. No, this is you know,
the Families against Billionaires whatever that was founded by billionaires.
Here's the thing I've heard some conservative thought leaders say,
you know, the billionaires they can get their money matched
by federal funds. They're not. They're actually getting paid. Sorow
Skits makes money doing this. These billionaires are making money
doing this, and it's it is just it's it's organized,

(08:24):
it's it's you see it. You've got characters like that
idiot Jimmy Kimmel or whatever. Actually just applauding the destruction
of these Tim.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Walt said, Hey, that's the interesting thing. Tim Walls was
praising the fact that Tesla stock has gone down, But
we found out a little interesting note about what's going on.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know, Government of Minnesota turns out that your retirement
fund for your public employees has you know, one hundred
million or something of Tesla stock, and part of your
portfolio that you're investing that you're so excited is plummeting
or going down.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
He wants to see I fail.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, pretty amazing, it is. It's it's strange times bad.
We don't buy into this is the left rising up.
This is a very small group of people that have
been robbing the public treasury for a very very long time,
who are doing everything they can to create in the
minds of people fear and the idea that this is
some broad campaign or some pushback against Elon, when all

(09:18):
Elon's musk and and he can't cut anything. By the way,
dog doesn't cut anything. They inform the executive branch of Congress.
They have to do the rest. So the more they
go after him, the more you know he's over the target.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well listed Scott Jennings talking about this on CNN last night.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
But this right here, what's going on with a guy
who helps our country, who runs successful companies, who doesn't
have to be doing this, and now one of his
companies is under systematic terroristic threat and violence all over
the country and people seem to be laughing about it
or fine with it. It's outrageous.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I've sat at this table and had people.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Say we should cut Elon Musk from the government totally.
He rescued our astronauts. Today is that what we want.
The treatment of this guy is outrageous. These people who
we're doing this need to be found, put in jail
and made an example of.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
And I hope I hope Pam Bondy does it, and
Cash Betel on the FBI. We can only hope. All Right,
we've got a lot to get to today. We hope
you stay with us throughout the afternoon. It is the
Wingman Wednesday edition of The Rod and Gregg Show right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
Great to be with you this afternoon. I'm roder Urcent. Well,
is President Trump right in pushing back against judicial supremacy?

(10:27):
How many cases have we had now, Greg, sixteen to
seventeen judicial injunctions against the president, the latest being, of course,
his effort to deport more migrants back to Venezuela or
jail in Al Salvador. Judges have also blocked his trimming
of USAID, his trimming of the federal workforce. Every time
you turn around, the president is running into a roadblock. Well,

(10:50):
with all those roadblocks, of course, people are thinking about
Joe Biden. Joe Biden tried unsuccessfully on several occasions to
do something about student loans with a student loan forgiveness program,
and the US Supreme Court said, I think a couple
of times, Greg, you cannot do that, but he ignored it.
No way is critical of Joe Biden right now, But boy,

(11:10):
they are getting on Donald Trump's case.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Day praised him. They said, they said no, but he's
going to find another way. He's going to still do it.
They were cheering them on.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, joining us on our newsmaker line
right now to find out what exactly is going on.
What the media is up to is Brianna Lyman, an
elections correspondent at the Federalist. Brianna, thank you very much
for joining us. What is Give us your take on
what you see going on right now.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Brianna, Yeah, well, we're seeing go on right now with
this blatant hypocrisy really underscores two things. It underscores first
and foremost, that the media is nothing more than the
propaganda arm of the Democratic Party. Because when it was
Joe Biden openly admitting to defining the Supreme Court on
multiple occasions, not just one occasion, they just shrugged it off.

(11:53):
It was no big deal. Whereas when Donald Trump simply
challenges an order from a court, they are setting it
up as those the constitutional crisis of the ages, in fact,
of the entire you know, two hundred and fifty some
odd years of our country. The other thing it tells
us is that they don't actually care about constitutional crises.
They just simply care about making a story. And so

(12:15):
people should you know, read any kind of newspapers trepidation,
because there is pens are not.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Honest, Brianna, every time you look at these judges, because
I agree with you, and it is selective logic selective outrage.
The Biden administration contorted itself to just flat outfe defy
the Supreme Court rulings, but other ways of getting around
the law to allow illegal immigrants in this country by
just saying the word asylum with nothing else, without any

(12:40):
other context than getting a court hearing three years in
the future. There was a lot that that administration did.
Never saw a court getting away of any of it.
But when we talk about this latest issue, the number
of judges, as soon as you look at their background, Oh,
their spouse is a full is a contributor and a
worker for either the Bidens or the or the Obama

(13:02):
or Clinton. Uh, there, there's their kids are There is
so many obvious conflicts of interest in terms of their
political leanings, what they actively get involved in. Even as
judges are their household income is improved by When is
any of this? When does order come? Because I'm a
little worried with with Chief Justice Roberts comments yesterday, I

(13:25):
just are we going to get there? Are we going
to get the judiciary out of the way here?

Speaker 7 (13:30):
You have to and these aren't. This is not just
the judiciary, right, These are judicial activists who are masquerading
as by are as nonpartisan arbiters of you know, so
called justice. And that's the problem, because you have half
of a country who is subscribing to the idea that
everything in one of these judges, even the ones who
have donated to Democrats, donated to Biden, are nonpartisan, and

(13:51):
so therefore they buy into this narrative that, you know,
this is an assault on the rule of law. And
then you have the other half of the countries who's
actually awake and see that these are activists and not
actual judges who are issuing these injunctions. And until there
is some kind of reckoning, we cannot have unelected, you know,
six hundred unelected district judges ruling the country. You know,

(14:13):
Donald Trump is elected precisely to carry out this mandate,
and you have single judges blocking him from carrying out
his policy agenda.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah. Interesting, Brianna. How do you think the American public
is reacting to this? I mean, here's Donald Trump trying
to do everything he's promised the American people, getting rid
of wasting government, shranking the size of government down. And
every time he turns around, he as a judge telling
him he cannot do that. Do you think the American
people are behind what the president is trying to do
or half the country and.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Absolutely half the country at least. We also know that
Donald Trump has extremely high approval ratings this go around
than his first term. Democrats have very low approval ratings,
and Donald Trump's approval ratings are high precisely because he
talks about, you know, slashing government waste via dodes, you know,
not allow or supporting violent illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants
in general. Right, those are popular policies. So even if

(15:06):
Donald Trump hits these roadblocks, he will win in the
court of public opinion. That said, that's not enough obviously
to make the country better, just winning in the court
of public opinion, but having that force behind him is
definitely going to be helpful in shutting down that left
wing propaganda narrative about a constitutional crisis.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Just dip your toe a little bit into this topic.
But the comments from the Chief Justice yesterday that I mentioned,
he had nothing to say when President Biden called out
the Supreme Court in a State of the Union, eyeball
to eyeball, saying that they would feel the political wraths
of women because of their Dow decision. You had people
calling for the impeachment of Supreme Court justices. You had

(15:49):
term limits that were being proposed. You had stacking the
court that was talked about. Yet a lot of aggressive
even had leaked drafts of opinions that were actually caused
the attempted to asassination. Well at least two of the
justices or elite was the source of it. There's been
a lot going on that we have not seen the
Chief Justice opine about what do you make of this?

(16:10):
We're out of the out of the blue, and not
to every media outlet, but just a select group. He
decided to correct the President in terms of his calling
for the impeachment of a certain judge. Are those dark
clouds coming?

Speaker 8 (16:23):
Is?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
What do you make of all that?

Speaker 9 (16:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (16:27):
You know, I think the Chief Justice has done a
disservices country in more ways than one, including recently when
he was part of the majority that refused to say
that inferior court judges do not have the authority to
essentually instruct Donald Trump what he kind of cannot do
as the executive. But that's just one thing. And then
what we've seen these past few days. Look, I think

(16:47):
it was Chief Justice John Roberts, who also stonewallter blocked
Senator Rand Paul when he tried to uncover the adobs leaker.
I believe that that's that's the correct Senator, And so
that also gives way for people to question whether they're
activists also on the Supreme Court. And when you have
a president who was duly elected who is being stopped

(17:09):
with injunction after injunction, in fact more injunctions than any
other president has been, you have to wonder whether the
Supreme Court cares about actual rule of law and whether
there's a legitimate balance of power, or if they just
can care about seeing their own political agenda move forward
in one way or another.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know, Brion, I think as everybody has taken a
look at this issue, they realize it's all probably going
to come down to the US Supreme Court. But with
the comments from Justice Roberts now and concern about the
High Court right now, how worried should we be that
the Supreme Court will actually go along with some of
these activist judges.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
That is a legitimate concern. Look, Amy Cony Barrett has
been a very disappointing judge, and I don't respect that
she's going to, you know, side with Alito and Gorsas
and Thomas and what have you. But I will say
Thomas has been very consistent in twenty eighteen, I think
it was Trump's the Hawaii might have been the case
for he even questioned whether district court judges actually have
the authority to, you know, stop the president, so to speak.

(18:06):
So there was definitely an appetite on the court to
stop these activist judges from doing what they're doing. It's
a matter of how well the arguments are going to
be made and whether they can convince John Roberts or
Amy Coney Barrett to step to the side.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Riann alignment with a federalist You know what, Greg John
Roberts and Amy Cony Barrett, you can't. You were bringing
up the look she gave the president after the State
of the Union address a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
It just wasn't a glare. It was a very nice,
warm smile. And as soon as his eyes left hers
and he went to the next justice, her face went
to an immediate grimace. And then when he looked back
at her, her face lit up it again. Yeah, and
it just reaked it being disingenuous, And I thought, oh
my gosh, look at that. I mean, that doesn't you
just don't normally eyes and face light up and smile

(18:54):
and then as soon as they look away, you frown
and they look back and you smile again like a
It just seems bit.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
On little inauthentic. All right, Mark, coming up on the
Rod and Greg show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine kN rs. All right, let's talk about in
This is an ongoing discussion right now around the country.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
It appears to be the demise of the Democratic Party.
You know they what was the poll out showing their
favorable ability ranking is at an all time never been lower,
and people are trying to figure out what exactly is
going on. Well, Chris Murphy, the Democratic Center from Connecticut
was on with John Stewart the other night and talked

(19:34):
about what he thinks is wrong with the Democratic Party
right now.

Speaker 10 (19:37):
It shouldn't take ten years to build a bridge, right
it shouldn't take five years to get a subdivision permitted.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Government is not working for people right now.

Speaker 10 (19:48):
And when I first got into politics, the Democratic Party
every single day talked about reforming government, talked about reforming democracy,
talked about getting big money out of politics, talked about
rick to ethics reform, and somewhere we lost our way
at some point that went from a top three issue
to like a top twenty issue, and that allowed the

(20:09):
Republican Party to become the party that was actually aggressive
about reform and government.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
And the Republican Party also became the party of getting
things done. Thank you well. Joining us on our Newsmaker
line right now is Zachary Faria, and Zachary is a
commentary fellow at the Washington Examiner. He talks about the
authenticity problem facing the Democratic Party right now. Zachary, thanks
for joining us. How would you describe the mindset or

(20:34):
of Democrats right now?

Speaker 11 (20:36):
Yeah, the focus right now from a lot of people
has been that Democrats have no leader. I think the
real problem which this group thirdly has discovered is they
have no authenticity with voters. So this group of supposedly
moderate Democrats gathered to discuss how they can connect with
working class voters and middle class voters, and the solutions
they came up with is just rebranding themselves, essentially embracing

(20:59):
the American flag, going to gun shows that kind of thing.
Nothing that really changes how the party operates or who
runs the party, but something that they think can just
convince voters that, oh, we are modern just like we
used to be.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
You know, the authenticity problem continues on. So they lose
the November election. Uh, and there isn't really any kind
of assessment as to why or how, but you do see,
so they're still defending the criminals that were deporting while
they were embracing those that were coming in in the millions.
But I found interesting that Gavin Newsom, governor of California,

(21:32):
does a podcast and says, you know, this whole transgender thing.
You know, there's a real competitive problem with guys playing
girls sports. It's almost it's I don't even find their
pivot to be authentic. Have you found this too, that
where some are trying to go to where they see
the America is at, that they can't even sell it.

Speaker 11 (21:49):
And if you look at what Gavin Newsom has done
on this issue, he's just in line with everybody else.
California made it illegal for school boards to ban to
are maybe illegal for school boards to make it mandatory
that teachers report if their student is identifying as transgender
at school and lying to their parents at home. So

(22:11):
California has been just as extreme on this issue as
anything else, and just throwing a bone saying he thinks
it's a little unfair about the sports issue is kind
of exactly what the authenticity problem.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Is, Zachary. How do the Democrats get out of the
elite circles which the party has made up of right
now and try and become normal everyday Americans that go
to gun shows. I mean, how do they propose in
doing that?

Speaker 11 (22:37):
They propose it by just saying we'll just go do
these things and make.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
It look like we care to voters.

Speaker 11 (22:42):
The real problem they would have is they would have
to basically clean out their entire bench right now, the
entire collection of Democrats that run the party, with the
exception of maybe someone like John Fetterman who's run off
a few of the progressive activists.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
That work for him.

Speaker 11 (22:56):
That's kind of the model that they would have to do.
But that would require whole replacement of the Democratic Party
and leadership positions.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
So, you know, podcasts are all the rage. You're seeing
this happen a lot more so you're seeing some of
the Democrats trying to get into the game. I swear
that their definition I'm just looking. Whether you spot this
or not, or if this is just me, I think
that someone sent them a memo that said, if you
want to appear to be authentic, talk more about sports
and swear more. I mean, have you seen this just
change in some of these Democrat leaders.

Speaker 11 (23:25):
Yes, one percent. The sports one is very fun for me.
But the cursing one I've noticed as well, that one
just seems to make the problem worse. In my opinion.
You watch some of these. I believe there was a
House Democrat who was reading off a script and threw
in a little BS word there that we know that
she would never say, and she's just reading it straight
off a script. So they think just by throwing out

(23:46):
these words more, they're gonna connect more with farmers and
factory workers and blue collar workers.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And it just doesn't work. But have they done this
in the past, actually the same thing. They say one thing,
but do exactly the opposite of what they just I mean,
is that an indication of their lack of authenticity.

Speaker 11 (24:06):
And the big problem in the twenty eighteen election was
that Democrats were able to hype that because there was
such an anti Trump sentiment in the country that that's
how they swept into power during the midterms. That sentiment's
not really there right now, So now you're kind of
seeing it laid bare. How inauthentic all of these promises
of moderation really are.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
So let's talk about So Bill Clinton's president gets elected
in ninety two and ninety four, new king Rich and
Republicans take over Congress a majority of Congress first time
in forty years. You see this immediate pivot. President Clinton
gets to the state of Union, says the era of big
government's over. You see him balance a budget, You see
him embrace the Republican Congress's welfare reform issues and bills.

(24:49):
So you saw that that pivot happen. Why in your
mind was Bill Clinton potentially better at that pivot even
if it wasn't authentic and trying to get where the
people are versus this disaster of an attempt we're watching
play out in front of our eyes with today's Democrats.

Speaker 11 (25:06):
Well, Bill Clinton definitely had more political talent than a
lot of these Democrats do. He made everything seem incredibly authentic.
But also the problem is just that Bill Clinton of
nineteen ninety two would not be a prominent Democrat in
the Party right now, just based on the position of
the party holds. The party has run so far into
its sort of activist class positions that it can't really

(25:27):
go back on them. You mentioned Newsom earlier saying that
it's a little unfair that boys are playing girls' sports.
He immediately got pillared for that by California Democrats and
his own legislature. So they just can't go back to
those positions that made the authenticity seem a little more true.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, they certainly are trying. I don't know if you
saw Chuck Schumer on the View today and he took
the same old approach that Barack Obama took a couple
of years ago and got a lot of heat forward, saying, Hey,
you didn't build that. We build that, not you hard
working Americans. Government built that. Obviously, they can't get away
from the idea that the governor government, the federal government

(26:04):
is save all the be all. They can't get away
from it, can they.

Speaker 11 (26:08):
No, And that's another part of why you see so
many soft stories about the federal workers that have lost
their jobs. Obviously, it sucks to lose your job, but
most of us in the private sector get fired at
least once, and we don't expect to hold our job forever.
So when you hear these public sector employees complain that
they expected to be in their job forever, kind of
goes over the head a lot of voters. And that's
what liberal media and Democratic congressional members have been pushing

(26:32):
as the biggest issue with all these federal job cuts.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
All right, thank you very much for joining us on
our newsmaker line. As Zachary Foraria, he is a commentary
fellow at the Washington Examiner. More coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n ars.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
You're listening to Talk radio one oh five nine can Arres.
I am Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I'm Roder Urkeuett Greg. We've got some breaking news
coming out of Washington to night. President Trump expected to
sign a long awaited directive. He'll do so tomorrow to
officially wind down the Department of Education, following, you know,
weeks of moves to ready or to steadily winnow the
agency staff and spending. Trump's pending executive order directs Education

(27:16):
Secretary Linda McMahon to take all necessary steps to facilitate
her departments disclosure.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
There's seven hundred plus district judges that have not given
them permission for this to happen yet. So I'm waiting
for one of those, one of the seven hundred plus
to say, no, that's not constitutional. You can't you can't
do that.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
You made an interesting point earlier, Greg, isn't it interesting
that the amount of dust that has been thrown up
in the air over the elimination of USAID. Yeah, you know,
compared to the Education Department, what is the difference do
you think? I mean, there's opposition to closing DOE, but
nowhere near what we're seeing with USA.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
That's because one hundred percent of USAID's money is unaccounted for,
is not audited, is has no the Congress has no
understanding where any of it goes. It is, it's above
the law, and they're taking I would argue, most of
its profit and then pursuing their leftist goals with the rest.
But this is you know, this comes out right when

(28:19):
a lot of the maybe the remaining files of the
JFK assassination have been redacted. I don't know that there's
anything in there that we haven't already heard in time
but the CIA's involvement, the CIA's involvement in the world.
Arthur's schelessenger who worked a fifteen page memo to then
President Kennedy saying, shut down the CIA or dismantle it

(28:40):
because it is a rogue state of its own nineteen
sixty two. That was written a sixty three. How scary
is that that? That was that long ago, a fifteen
page memo on how out of control the CIA is
gotten USA. I d their money is tethered to that
rogue nation, and so I think the timing of the
release of those files is important as well.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, oh, I wanted to play this before we close
out this hour. Another legacy media having to apologize. MSNBC
Stephanie Rule last night had this to tell her audience.

Speaker 12 (29:14):
Last night, we reported on excerpts of an interview between
the Director of National Intelligence Telsea Gabbard and an Indian
TV news network in which she said that Trump was
good friends with a world leader. We said that world
leader was Vladimir Putin, that the full interview shows that
Gabbert was referring to Trump. An Indian Prime minister mody.

Speaker 13 (29:36):
We'll clear that up.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Reckless journalism, apologize too yeah, and I'll apologize.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
And they didn't. They didn't listen to the whole interview.
They thought they were assuming they wanted to put Putin
and Trump together, so they assumed Trump had said, my
best friend is Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, that Tulsea Gabbert is a Putin hacking. Yeah as well.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's just another example. And the media is getting caught
doing this more and more and more.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
So you know, there's no, there's no, there's no. They
don't feel like duty bound. Their conscience isn't isn't needling
them to clarify any of that that is called legal live.
It is just simply you can just hear that how
painful it is for them to admit it because they
don't want to be legally liable. They don't care about

(30:22):
saying it wrong otherwise.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
All right, we're going to talk about the still called
war on federal employees when we come back and get
your thoughts on that. It's all coming up our number two.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
And I am salty. I'm salty. I just I find
such a fence over the things that we're finding out
about this federal government. And then to add insult injury,
we have people protesting that we are finding this out,
that there's billions of dollars being spent, you know that
that whole evil Elon Musk Department of Government Efficiency. This
was on their website that was just posted this week.

(30:56):
The Interior Department, which Utah has a lot of interface with,
is dissolving the Federal Consulting Group. Federal Consulting Group. That
sounds like an interesting group.

Speaker 13 (31:07):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Oh, it's a It's where one government department charges another
government department to broker consulting contracts. Okay, this is the
left hand, you know, in the right hand meeting anyway.
As an example, this Federal Consulting Group brokeered a seventy
five million dollar contract to design website customer satisfaction surveys,

(31:32):
and then attempted to award eight hundred and thirty million
to conduct similar surveys. The latter contract was discovered by
Interior Department and OAGE and canceled before signature eight hundred
and I'm looking at a picture of this survey. This
is not a very technical survey, rod, It's it's one
two three, four five questions actually one two three six

(31:56):
questions ranked one to ten, one being very dissatisfied, one
being very satisfied. What is your overall satisfaction of the site? Oh,
that took eight hundred and thirty million to come up with.
Let's see what The next second question is how well?
How well does this site meet your expectations one through ten? WHOA, okay?
Next one, how does this site compare to an ideal website? Okay?

(32:18):
How likely are you to recommend this website to someone else?
And how likely are you to return in the future
eight hundred and thirty million for those six questions.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Eight hundred and thirty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
And I'm going to tell you so. Let someone ask me.
Tell me the doge who found this out in the
interior department that canceled this eight hundred and thirty million
dollar contract, that the people that found this out and
I'm reading it today out here in the cheap seats,
tell me that that person is the bad guy. Yeah,
go ahead, tell me.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
That person who found this out. Well, there was an
article today in USA today today, and I think a
very kind of pro fed employees article, and it basically
posed this question, how Trump and Musk made federal employees
America's favorite punching bag okay, and the subtitle is why

(33:06):
does everyone hate federal workers? Musk and Trump are stoking
deep resentments of the power of the federal government and
career civil servants have over Americans' daily lives. Now, let
me share with you a little bit. How did they
become our punching bag. Let's go back a little bit
from the Tea Party to the MAGA movement Americans, I think, Greg,

(33:27):
I don't know if you've I've never had a lot
of dealings with the federal government other than paying my taxes.
But Americans have long expressed deep resentment about the power
the government has over their daily lives. The issue right
now is the federal workers fear they're losing their power. Yeah,
over all our lives. I have a man I know.

(33:49):
He owns an office supply business in central Utah, right,
And I was talking to him a couple of months ago,
and we were talking about this a little bit, and
he said to Rod, I was asked, probably the offerings
of employment or whatever, to fill out a survey on
each one of my employees, asking all kinds of questions
about my employees.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
It cost me two hours a day to be able
to get this survey filled out. He said, I couldn't
do it. My business wouldn't support you know, I can't
take two hours off of my business every day fill
this survey out. So he has to give it to
his accountant and say, please take care of this. This
is what frustrates people. We are asked time and time again,

(34:30):
do this, do that, and it drives people nuts. And
this is why Donald Trump is being very successful right
now because he's felt the frustration of the American people
and they're saying, hey, welcome to the real world. You
you lose your job. I lose my job. That's what
happens in the real business world today. They felt so
protected and so secure in their job, and now someone

(34:52):
is raising questions and they can't stand.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, there's two issues for me, Rod, and one is
that the federal employees must feel superior to everyday Americans
and that they should never have their job questioned or
their productivity questioned, or that there should ever be an
email responded to that explains what they did for the week.
This is an offense to them. When most people that
work would say that that sounds like a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

(35:15):
that sounds like a workday to me so, and then
you have the harsh realities in business of whether your
business is successful or not, whether you're making the grade
or your businesses and if you're not, guess what happens.
The business goes under, or you're laid off, or there's
a lot of different things that happen when you're work.
Apparently federal workers are immune from all of this. And

(35:36):
how dare you even suggest so? When you're thirty six
trillion dollars in debt and you're spending two trillion dollars
more than people paying taxes to pay for this government
of ours? Who do we go to? Who counts for that?
If it's not the federal workers that account for that?
If I'm reading off eight hundred and thirty million dollar
contract for a six question survey that is absolutely a farce. Okay,

(36:00):
thirty million dollars for that? Who do First off, if
I'm a government worker, I'm glad they found that survey.
That's eight hundred and thirty million. It didn't come out
of my salary or my payroll, because that's absolute waste.
So why these federal workers aren't cheering on the empty
federal buildings? The guys getting paid zillions of dollars for
contracts to water plants, for the for buildings that are empty,

(36:22):
and the only people that they're employed are the landscapers,
and they should be applauding that because it's not their
actual job. But they hate all of it. Is if
anything that has to do with two trillion dollars deficit
spending a year and thirty six trillion dollars accumultively, how
dare you question? Well, if you're a federal worker and
you want to own those deficits, well then you deserve

(36:45):
our iire. And if you don't want that, iire, then
you should be joining us and finding that what fraud, waste, abuse,
robbing of the public treasury, and you, as a government worker,
should especially want that rooted out.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, well here's what I think too, Greg in this discussion,
we're heavy now. I want to open up the phones
on this here in just a minute. I don't know
if federal workers understand the American people hate to be
told what to do. Yes, I mean, we just hate it.
Don't tell us, don't tell me that I can do
this and I can't do that. But that's what the

(37:19):
federal government has been doing for how long, Greg, I
mean forever, yes, I think, and they don't understand that.
That's why there is anger being directed toward these federal
employees who are out there, you know, just just crying
their eyes out about losing their jobs. Well, guess what,
I've lost my job two or three times in this career.
It happens, right, you pick yourself up by the bootstraps

(37:41):
and you go get another one. And that's what's going on.
But they don't I don't think. I mean, I know,
we have some federal employees who listen to this show
and we invite them to weigh in on this, but
I think the core issue here they do not understand,
and the federal government doesn't. And I don't even think
politicians understand this. Don't tell me what to do.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, And you know what I find is, I don't
even think we're talking about real people that are getting
their jobs cut. I think they're hating the whole exercise
with finding the waste and the threat that their job
may be cut. But I don't think that their jobs
are being cut. I think they're finding real waste, no
show jobs, people that aren't actually showing up to work.
And look if you're a federal worker and you are
taking great offense that you should have to account for

(38:22):
your time for and on behalf of the taxpayer of
which you work. Okay, then you're in the wrong job.
Go find I don't know what job would allow you
to do anything you want without any inquiry about whether
you're whether you know what's your highest and best year,
what are you doing, how are you bring value? If
that is an offensive question, I don't know what you
think working is. But we all work to some extent,

(38:45):
and we're supposed to bring that value to what we do.
So if you're asked as a federal worker and you
work for the public, you're a public servant. If you're
asked to explain what that is that you're doing. Yeah,
and if that does offend you, then I don't know.
Maybe you've been away from the work the workforce too long,
but that's that's how the rest of America works.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone,
dial pound two to fifty and say hey, Rod, we
want to hear from you tonight about you know, do
you hate federal workers? Do you get frustrated by federal workers.
Are they whining over something that all of us deal
with in everyday life? Hey eight eight five seven O
eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone dial

(39:26):
pound two fifty and say hey Rod nine most terrifying
words in the English language. I'm from the government and
I'm here to help. Well, a lot of people are
now taking their frustrations out on the federal government. Donald
Trump and Elon Musk laying off tens of thousands of employees,
even though judges are saying you can't do that. So
there's going to be a real challenge over the separation

(39:47):
of the legislative and executive branch. Are judicial and executive branch.
But right now we're asking you about you know, why
do you hate? Why are you frustrated with federal workers?
Federal workers? I know we have a lot listened to
the sh Show. You may have a response to this.
Eight eight eight five seven oa zero one zero or
on your cell phone, I'll pound two fifty and say
hey Ron.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
So let's go to the phones. Let's go to Julie
and Star Valley owning Julie. Thank you for calling the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (40:16):
Thanks gentlemen, I appreciate your allowing me to voice my opinion.
I am one of those government employees. I have been
with the agency for sixteen years, three years away from retirement,
but I wanted to mention that I did vote for Trump.

(40:37):
I am very conservative, and I know that a lot
of things need to change in our government, and one
need to balance the budget. One thing I do want
to say is that in all of the years that
I have worked for this agency, I have seen colleagues

(40:57):
be out on disaster recovery and response for months and
months at a time, away from their homes, away from
their families, working day, seven days a week, and doing
their very very best to ensure that disaster survivors received

(41:23):
all of the benefits that they have coming available to them.
So it's kind of hard, you know. This is this
has been my career. This has been my joy. I
have loved doing what I do. Excuse me, and I
think it's that that's that's been the hard part. And

(41:44):
you know, I liken it too. If you have a
sinkful of dirty dishes in your kitchens, are you going
to burn down the house?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Jarlie. Let me ask you, Julie. You mentioned you were
a supporter of Donald Trump. Are you mad at Trump?
Are you mad at the moscover what they're doing right now?

Speaker 9 (42:03):
I'm disappointed and I'm very abused. I think that some
of the things that they're doing could be done so
much more in a way that makes a lot more sense.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
All right, Julie, appreciate your phone call on that.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, well, I just want to know if she saw
any fraud, waste abuse within that federal agency that she
works in at all, because that's a that is what
I mean, that is what we're after, and that is
what when you're thirty six trillion in debt and your
two trillion dollars spending more than you have, some's got
to give, and that would be any employment of any atmosphere.
But that's why I'm curious if we have a government

(42:42):
workers they want to call and explain that that they
are working hard and that they're feeling like their jobs
lost or it's going to be lost. Have you spotted it?
Are you spotting the waste? Because we're seeing examples of
it where it would go to to the waste we're seeing.
I'd rather the one that's getting paid millions of dollars
to water plants to go than what it sounded like Julia,
Julie sounds like Julie's She didn't say she said an agency,

(43:03):
but that sounded like females. Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Well, and the interesting thing, Greg, you know, a lot
of people are out there, especially those on the left, saying, well,
if it would have had a better plan, if they
would have been more surgical and eliminating and getting rid
of this waste, fraud and abuse. Politicians have been talking
about this for thirty forty to fifty years. Nothing has
been done up until now, and sometimes the only way
to address it is the way they're going about it.

(43:26):
Right now, Let's go to Annette in Ogden tonight here
on the Rod and Greg Shownnette, how are you? Thanks
for joining.

Speaker 14 (43:31):
Us, Thank you for having me. I'm honored to be.

Speaker 15 (43:37):
On the call.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Thank you. What are your thoughts on this? Annette?

Speaker 14 (43:41):
I worked as a contractor for the federal government. We
worked on the replacement of the Bradley. I don't know
if they always watched Pentagon Wars movie, but we relived
that again back in the late ninety thirty two thousand.
As a contract we didn't live by the same rules
as those that were full time employees, so we knew

(44:05):
that we could be let go at any time, but
the whole time employees knew that there wasn't they weren't
going to be let go. So what happened was, and
I'm not saying everybody was this way, but my experience
was when I walked in the office to start my
job in the morning, there would be at least two
of using employees down to sleep at their desks. And

(44:26):
this would happen day after day after day. And I
was given task to do, which I did, and came
time to do a audit and I was going to
be the whole the whole program was going to be audited,
and I was told that these other employees were didn't

(44:48):
have time to do their work and so could I
pick up their jobs for them.

Speaker 8 (44:52):
So they could you know, that would go through.

Speaker 14 (44:57):
I did it, but I write after the audit was done,
I left because I I this was not sitting well
with me. And it wasn't that that was an abnormality.
I was finding that was more of the of the standard.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
See, and that that was my you read my mind.
I was going to ask you, is that is that
just an average day where within the government, just the
culture of working with government employees or was it? Did
you think that was an aberration? I think you said
that that that seemed to be more than this this standard?
Is that right?

Speaker 14 (45:31):
My experience was it was the standards all right?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Now, thank you, interesting story she has to tell. Let's
go to Salt Lake City. Listen to what jackass to
say tonight here on the Rodding Greg Show. Jack, thanks
for joining the conversation.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Hey, thank you guys. Just driving home here. Fifteen's all
backed up.

Speaker 16 (45:50):
Sorry sorry, he said, Hey, you know, I'm a blue
collar guy, and we kind of got a joke saying
it's a government job.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
There's ten guys supervising and one guy actually working, you know,
And it's true. You see a bunch of guys standing
off the side of the road.

Speaker 17 (46:09):
We say, hey, that must.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Be a government job. They're all standing around.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, I think Jack, I agree with you. You know,
I small businessman. I used to have a build a
small apartments and we had concrete and my concrete guy,
my flatwer guy, he wasn't I couldn't get him anymore.
Why because he got a government job and it was
way way more money and a lot lot less work
true story. So, Jack, I know it's a joke, but

(46:34):
I think it's actually true.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Out there, there's a lot of truth to every joke.
And I mean if you go if you're doing with
a government agency, say whether it's the Post Office, Department
of Workforce Services, how the DMV for say, I mean
the state, But you're going to be in there at
least two hours, right, unless you got appointments. If you're
going for unemployment benefits or any kind of health assistance,

(46:58):
you're going to be in the open that for two
weeks before you even get a yay or nay. I
mean any other private business, No, they would be out
of business.

Speaker 17 (47:07):
There's no way they would.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
No one would deal with them.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, you're exactly right, Jack, And I think that's the
frustration that people have in dealing with government employees. All Right,
we have got a lot of people wanting to weigh
in on this. We need to take a break, get
a news update for you, So if you can hang
on the line, please do so. If you want to
call back, you're more than welcome due we'd love to
hear your comments tonight right here on the Rod and
Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
And there's a lot of conversation right now about the government.
It's running in a deficit two trillion a year. There's
not a business on earth that can keep that kind
of pace. It's unsustainable. Everyone has said, so, so you
got to do something. People are looking at government, they're
looking at agencies. They're saying we got to cut. People
are upset about that. People think that that's unfair. We're
seeing a lot of pushback on in a demonization of

(47:53):
people like Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency.
But what say you, folks, smartest listening audience and all
the land. Should we be looking at these government employees
and should we be saying that everyone of you are
worth every single cent? Or should we be critical? What
say you?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero, Or
on your cell phone, I'll pound two to fifty and
say hey Rod. We go to the phones in David County.
We're talking with Ron tonight on the show.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Ron.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
How are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 18 (48:19):
I am well, thank you, Howard.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
We're doing well.

Speaker 18 (48:24):
I just I apologize. My heart goes out to Julie
who was so close to retirement. But I just called
the vin because let's talk constitutional crisis. Homeless veteran, that's
a constitutional crisis. Let's talk politicians getting paid and biting

(48:45):
the hand that feeds them, that's a constitutional crisis. This
nonsense the Democrats are pushing. There's not even close to
a constitutional crisis. And it makes me very angry that
they're I just don't even know.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, let's go to Alex in Salt Lake City. Alex,
thank you for holding and what's they use, sir?

Speaker 17 (49:10):
Yes, I totally support Mosk and Trump. I served three
years in the United States Marine Corps. I'm a Vietnam
combat veteran, so let me tell you, not all the
troops were fighting troops. Twenty percent we go to thick
bait to avoid their duties. In the federal government, I
worked thirty years in the Social Security Administration and really

(49:34):
needs to focus on the abuses of Social Security, Medicare,
and Medicaid. As far as the employees, it's the upper
management you've got to focus on. And there's layers and
layers and layers of upper management, headquarters, regional office, local
office management. They do nothing because trouble to the worker bees.

(49:58):
Of the worker bees, I would say about twenty five
percent didn't carry their load. But I really want you
to focus on this. There are people getting Medicaid. They
walk into the emergency room hospital if they have a
little sore throat or a cold, and some of the

(50:18):
abuses are not just the patients, but they got to
look at the doctors and the health providers because they're
ordering TIFFs and doing treatments just to get money out
of Medicaid.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Well, I heard, We've heard those stories before, haven't we.
End you know what's frightening about this, and certainly the
Democrats greg instantly if anyone talks about looking at waste
and social Security, Medicaid or medicare Democrats, Oh, you're just
cutting the benefits. No we aren't. We're looking for the waste.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
What I love about our caller, they just called Isa.
This wasn't some theory. He's on the ground that he's
spent his career here and he said he that there
is abuses in social Security, Medicaid and medicaire. This is
what's been that's been said by Elon Musk and any
appointed where he pointed to where that happens. We did
a state audit once where we found a Medicaid abuse,

(51:08):
and that they would build and they would code at
the highest reimbursement, even if someone didn't have the most
severe case of whatever it is that you get reimbursed for.
So this exists, and we should all be applauding I
think any attempt at finding that abuse. Okay, let's keep going.
Let's go to Trevor and Weaver. Trevor, thank you for
holding what say.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
You, Prowdy, Hey, you guys have a great informative and
entertaining program. I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
I'm a federal worker, you bet. I'm a federal worker.
Worked for the last eighteen years with the federal government
here in Weaver County. Big Trump supporter voted for him
three times, maybe four, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
But now.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
I just wanted to say I have never had a
more challenging, demanding job than I have in the last
eighteen years with the federal government. They work our guts out.
We work hard to serve the public. We love our country.
There's many conservatives in my office. They are struggling and
they are hurting. They're worried. It's a hard thing. So

(52:11):
do I know there's there's a lazy laziness among some
federal employees and in some agencies, there is not in hours, yes,
and that's that is.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
A fact.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
It just is a very demanding job. And and everybody
in our office gives our all well. But I support
the government. I support President Trump and and Elon Musk.
I think both of them are exceptional people trying to
do an exceptionally difficult thing. But I get a little
uncomfortable with the endless criticism because sometimes people don't know

(52:44):
how hard people are working for them, you.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Know, Trevorment it is.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
And here's what I would say for the no one.
So Schumer was trying to say on on the view
that that, you know, make America great again. People that
support Trump, we want no government. Of course, nobody says
we don't want any government. No, it's not true that
no one wants to pay any taxes what we need
and we understand the role of the federal government. We
want people like Trevor. We want those that work hard.
We want to make sure that they can keep doing it.

(53:09):
At two trillion dollars running deficit every single year, none
of it is sustainable. They all good hard workers. As
well as the no shows. Everyone loses their job if
there isn't a government and there's and you keep going
in that kind of that that thirty six trillion in counting.
So we want we know, we acknowledge that there's good
workers there, but everyone like a Trevor who does support Trump,
should be wanting to see the waste, fraud, and abuse

(53:31):
identified so that they're so that the government can work
better and we can see that the ones that are
working hard are rewarded and recognized for it.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
You know, conservatives, Greg have always talked about low taxes
and smaller government. I heard someone say, it's not so
much smaller government than we want. We want smart government.
And smart government does some waste our tax dollars. It's
efficient and it responds to the needs of the people.
And I think that's what Donald Trump would like to see,
and I think many conservatives would like to see as well.

(54:00):
That's right, all right, more calls in your comments coming
up here on the Rodding Greg Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five to nine knrs. Talking about stories
out there. You know, Donald Trump and Elon Musk making
or attempting to make a lot of cuts of the
federal government, including federal employees and have they made employees
America's favorite punching bag. We want to get your thoughts

(54:20):
on this eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero, or on your cell phone dial pound two
fifty and say hey, run.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Let's go back to the phones. Let's go to Alex
and salt Lake who's been patiently waiting. Alex, Welcome to
the Rodney Greg Show. What say you? Yes?

Speaker 19 (54:34):
Thanks for having me on. I just wanted to make
the point that I think when people hear the word waste,
they immediately think of garbage, and I'm sure that there's
a lot of that out there, but I think also
too part of it is there's maybe a lot of
redundant service or a function that really just isn't needed.
And when we think about it in terms of our
own household, for example, if we're budgeting and you know, yeah,

(54:57):
it's great to have groceries, of course, but maybe because
we're budgeting, we have to tie our belts a little
bit and not get our favorite you know, vegetable that time.
You know, we might have to wait and get it
the next time or something. You know, it's really about sustainability.
I think you hit the nail on the head. But
it's looking at a lot you know, redundancy and you know,
maybe paying for a function that just isn't as needed

(55:20):
as some others. So there could be some folks out
there that are working really hard at their jobs and
certainly feel that they deserve to keep that job, and
my heart goes out to them. I think of that
kind lady that was talking about working with FEMA. I think,
but it doesn't mean that what she did didn't have value.
It just means that maybe there wasn't enough money for it.
Maybe it was redundant service.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, Alex's good points you make. And every family in
America goes through budgeting all the time. Why can't the
federal government go through budgeting? Greg? I mean, how many
of us decide, well, budgets a little type issue this month.
Maybe we can't get everything we wanted at the store,
you know, warreos, but everything else.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
But it's getting real areas.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah, this goes back to what I said earlier, Greg,
smaller government versus smart government. That's what the American people want.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
What I appreciate from our listeners and we'll get back
to the phones, is that this isn't the entitled narrative
that you hear where people how dare you ask me?
How dare you ever even look at it? How Now
there's people here that are sharing their experiences. They're pointing
to waste that they've seen. Some are saying they're working
very hard. What we need to do is and I
think Alex's point about redundancy and some of these nice
to half versus have to have. When you're running two

(56:29):
trillion in debt, you just cannot continue, So something has
to give. What is that? That's what they're after, That's
what they're trying to find. Let's go back to the
phones and let's go to Gary and Roy. Gary, thank
you for holding. What's your take on all this, sir?

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Well, it's like everything, it's a complex, Okay. I was
the ten years in the military, works at the post office.
I worked for the FAA and was part of an
outsourcing so I lost my full retirement thirty months shy
of a full retirement, I was fortunateough to get a
discontinued service retirement. So it's complex, but I am a conservative.

(57:06):
I agree with what they're doing. You're gonna find waste
and it does need to be cut back. But it's
like anything you go when you have to go to
the DMV. I was trying to think about that. I
don't know that I've ever had really bad service. You
get there are a lot of good employees across government,
but we definitely need to cut back. Like Crever I

(57:27):
think talked about redundancy. Absolutely, there's redundancy, redundancy and fraud
and abuse. I remember I was at P's Air Force
Base right when they were closing it down, and they
were closing the base, but they had money in the budget,
so they're out painting the rock's wife. I'm like, are
you kidding me? You know, it's just yeah, if you

(57:48):
don't think that we need to cut back, and you're
crazy And it is hard, you know, I no doubt
about it. It's tough when you go through something like that.
We've all had trials and and it's tough.

Speaker 9 (57:58):
Like the late call it.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Then she's three years out from retirement. Now hopefully they're
gonna you know part of that. I don't think they're
just across the board cutting. They are looking. They're they're
shutting down and then evaluating and then figure out where
they need to close. Because it does seem like there's
a lot of people that are getting paychecks that aren't
necessarily showing up.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 13 (58:21):
Gary.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
You make a you make a very good point on that,
and it goes back to the duplicity that you have,
and it goes back, Greg, to other issues out there.
And like I said, just give a smart government. That's
the American people.

Speaker 9 (58:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
You mentioned the DMV, right, and everyone has a complain
about the DMV, but look what this state has done.
You you register online. I've got to register my vehicle
this month. I'm just doing it all online. I won't
even have to go into the place for crying out
a loud. And that's what we're talking you know, and
Elon Musk probably knows it's better than anybody else. Greg.
There is technology out there that will make everything smoother.

(58:57):
So why not use that technology?

Speaker 1 (58:59):
And I'm I'm telling you when we get back to
I'd like to carry this over if our callers will hold.
I know we're coming up to a hard break, but
I do want Do we have time for another college,
Let's go to another call. Let's go to Ray in Springvale,
real quick, Ray, We're coming up on a heart break.
Sixty second less than sixty seconds?

Speaker 8 (59:14):
What say you, emperron king Jeff. Anyway, I worked at
the post office and a lot of people undaware the
post office is not a government job.

Speaker 17 (59:24):
We have unions.

Speaker 8 (59:26):
We get our pay raises through negotiations, not through just
automatic Uh what autumn, they're not They're not automatic. Second
thing is I didn't tab a deficit. And here's the
fun fact about the post office. If you're a postmaster,

(59:46):
all you have to do is, if you have an
expanding city such as Springville, pro bolas or just go
into the city offices, ask him if they have any
new streets to name, and if they say no, then
he goes home and gets paid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Wow. I didn't know that. Ray didn't know that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
I didn't. I interesting, Yeah, I you know. I just
I think that if we can, I'd like it to
hang it over, yeah real quick, because I thought fifty
five we're gonna break. But look, take everything we just
heard from the smartest listing audience on all the land,
and that includes government employees, federal employees as well as
those that are making incredible points today. And I want
you to juxtapose that with what Lee Zelden at the

(01:00:25):
EPA is going through right now. And that is that
a judge said, the twenty billion dollars that you saw
that Biden's administration sheltered in a city bank account days
before the twenty twenty four election, it is the judge's
opinion that all that money has to be sent out
to these NGOs that have no trace. We're talking about
employees that have jobs. No one knows where that money goes.

(01:00:47):
Twenty billion out the door, and no one knows where
it is. These people calling right now, especially the government employees,
they deserve a lot more respect than that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
They sure do. All right, more of your calls coming up,
Stay with us talking about federal employee. You know a
lot of people. Big article, big story today in USA
today about how Trump and Musk have made federal employees
America's favorite punching bag. But the frustration with the federal
government has been around for a very very long time,
and Donald Trump and Elon Musk are trying to do

(01:01:15):
something about it. We want to get your reaction to
this eight eight eight five seven O eight zero one
zero or on your cell phone dial pound two fifteen
and say hey, Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Okay, let let's go back to the phones and go
to Kate and Augden. Kate, you've been very patient. Thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Ritt and Greg Show.

Speaker 20 (01:01:33):
Hi, thanks for taking my call. So I just a
couple things that I've been thinking of. So I used
to work at a call center for a credit card company,
and I knew that it was going to be on
its way out because of just how things are run nowadays,

(01:01:58):
and yeah, with AI and everything like that, and online,
everybody does everything online, and so I knew that my
job wasn't needed. And going into the job, you pretty
much you almost knew that. So and a lot of
people there's a lot of pushback because there's good and
bad with with jobs being lost. But but because it

(01:02:22):
was a lot of things that I had to admit
a lot of the things that I'm doing here is
a waste of time and and a waste of the
business is money. So if it's a business like everything
is nowadays, had to admit that it was not needed.
A lot of the things that these people that I
was helping them with they could have done, they could

(01:02:45):
have done on their own. So just yeah, pretty much
responding like everybody else was.

Speaker 11 (01:02:52):
To Julie.

Speaker 20 (01:02:55):
It's it's it's hard, but it's kind of the way
a lot of things are headed now because of how
businesses are run. So if it can save money, then
I'm all for it. Especially when it comes to the
Department of Education. I think that's one of the most
useless departments on the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, okay, thank you. I think both Greg and I
agree with that statement. So doesn't Donald Trump, because he's
going to sign an executive order tomorrow calling for the
elimination of the department clear.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
That with seven hundred plus district judgment to be president.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yet someone is going to take them to court. You
can just you know, these.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Judges, they have to actually agree with that he gets
to be president and what he gets to decide. I mean,
they're in charge of all the departments. Now, okay, let's
go back to the call. Let's go back to the phone.
Let's go to Jeff and Ogden. Jeff, welcome to the
Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 15 (01:03:49):
Hey, thanks guys, appreciate having me on. I love your show.

Speaker 17 (01:03:52):
Love listening to you guys.

Speaker 15 (01:03:53):
Think this is the Yeah, I just want to make
a quick comment. So I've noticed tonight a lot of
callers it actually called when Weaver County. Weaver County, if
I'm not mistaken, has more federal employee workers than any
other county per capita. And so I live in Weaver County.
I see this a ton, especially even having family members

(01:04:16):
who have worked for the federal government. Just the waste
and they straight up even admit that. Hey, I mean,
my father in law for years worked on on the base,
and he said I would sit up there and play
solitaire a lot of the times why I was waiting
for work, or they would they would make me slow
down because I would maybe get something done too quick,

(01:04:37):
you know. And the last four years, I've watched neighbors
who have worked for the federal government.

Speaker 17 (01:04:43):
And they've been at home and they've.

Speaker 15 (01:04:46):
They've two three, you know, even noon, two three o'clock
in the afternoon or noon, they're just you know, uh,
they're they're cutting their jobs short and and in their
yard or whatever else they're doing personally, but I know
they're still on the clock. And now magically, now that
they're they've had to go back to the office, they're
not doing that anymore. So I've seen it.

Speaker 17 (01:05:06):
Firsthand, you know.

Speaker 15 (01:05:08):
And on average too, the public sector, they have more
holidays and time off than the private on average. So
as taxpayers, as we're paying these wages, you know, this
cut is so so important and the waste Now at
the end of the day, I do feel for the
people who are are doing what they're supposed to be

(01:05:32):
doing and unfortunately they're just victims of big government. And
it is what it is. And I think it's been
mentioned a few times tonight, but we've all lost jobs
at one point or another and we just have to
step up and move on and go to the you know,
do what we got to do. But it's it's so needed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you, Jeff. You're you're
spot on. As matter of fact, let me follow up
that if I could. Greg, I got an email from
a man a listener. His name is dan he lives
in Leyden list What do you have to say. I
have lived in Danavis County all my life, with hundreds
of friends and family employed at Hill Air Force Base
and have heard all the stories about lazy workers on base.
I've also heard frustrations from some about how hard it

(01:06:12):
is to get anything accomplished, partly because of red tape
and regulations, but also trying to get others to do
their part of the job. Also, I have heard how
hard it is to fire a crappy government employee. But
also I think expectations are pretty low. I've been in
the manufacturing maintenance trade for forty years, and when I

(01:06:33):
hear what some of the base workers have to do,
I think, wow, I have to do that and two
other jobs. At the same time, I don't like the
blanket layoffs approach that Trump has taken. We need to
find a way to find and fire the deadwood and
parasites from the government. That's Dan and Layton. He's dealt
with this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Yeah, and he's speaking the truth. And I think that
the different perspectives that we've heard on the show today,
actually I think point in the same direction, and that is,
there is a federal government, there are critical roles. There
are people that work hard, and there's a lot that don't.
And it reminds me of the steel in the US
steel industry in Pittsburgh in the eighties when I was
growing up. I have family members that worked in the mill.

(01:07:13):
I had a grandfather who would complain about the younger
workers that did zero and at the end that these
unions had incrementalized jobs down to a guy that gets
to bring you water on the line. But you couldn't
throw you couldn't have a waste paper basket there. You
had to drop the paper cup where you stood, because
they had a full union benefits and all job of
someone that would come and clean up the cups that
were dropped on the ground. And so there was so

(01:07:34):
much criticism within the steel industry about how they were bloated,
how they had too many jobs. But it didn't mean
that we had to lose an entire steel industry to
do it. But that's what we lost because it never
did self correct, it never did get better, it didn't
get more nimble, and we lost that industry in Pittsburgh
with devastating impacts to the community. So no one wants

(01:07:54):
to see that our government disappear. In fact, the reason
you got to find these find these efficiencies is because
you just simply can't go on the pace that Washington
and these bureaucrats have put our federal government on. And
it's it's not the hard workers, it's the no show people.
It's the people getting twenty billion dollars sitting in a
city bank account to a climate NGO or nonprofit that

(01:08:16):
nobody knows where that money is being spent. Contrast that
to the poor listener, Julie, who's three years from retirement.
Twenty billion. You think some of that money might have
gone to her sally in the next two years, three years,
a little bit, just a little bit, instead of shuttling
it right before the election into a city bank account
so it can't be touched by an incoming administration. That
is the offense of all this, and that is the

(01:08:37):
stuff that people have to quit. Not our people, but
people want to demonize DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency
or Elon Musker, Donald Trump, Man, you better be we
should be happy they're finding this this real fraud and waste.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Well, the the theme I've heard today, Greg, did you
hear anybody of all the callers we've taken so far
say there's no waste in government? No, you don't hear
them say that. They all Americans all recognize this thing
is way too big and spending way too much money,
and yes, changes do have to be made, and yes
we recognize there are some very hard working federal workers

(01:09:13):
out there. Trevor was one of them. Talked about the
work that he's put in along with his coworkers. We
recognize that, but how do you deal with this? Because
if we don't, Greg, you know where we're headed. What
are we at? Thirty four thirty six trillion dollars right now?

Speaker 16 (01:09:25):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
All right, let's go back to the phones. Let's talk
with Stephen and Sandy tonight. Stephen, how are you welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I'm good, Rod, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
You are welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I've worked in business management in a variety of sectors,
in a variety of companies, and I've been on both
sides of mergers and acquisitions for years. I don't know
of a great consistent way to change a company culture
that doesn't involve basically laying off a large portion of

(01:09:59):
the of the group onboarding. It's a historical fact. I
don't like it. I've never enjoyed being laid off as
part of those I usually just kind of expect that
it's going to happen. But the truth is is, when
you're trying to establish a company culture such that it
works efficiently, or at the very least works the way
you want your company to work, you have to cut

(01:10:21):
through a lot of the faculty, and usually that group
that involves removing people that what are good workers. They're
all blanket layoffs, and historically that's what is done so
that you can achieve the goal of going to efficiency
or creating a company culture that works a certain way.
So I get what Dose is doing. I agree that

(01:10:44):
it's uncomfortable, it's undesirable, but historically we don't know of
another way to do that efficiently without these mass layoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, boy, Stephen, thank you so much for that insight.
I mean, he's spot on. Donald Trump is trying to
change the mindset of the federal government. Like you can't
just spend, spend, spend, spin spend. He's trying to change
the culture. That's the deep state. Not easy to do,
but Steven and spot on. You can't do it piecemeal.
I've seen companies tried to do it well, you know,

(01:11:14):
a few employees here, a few employees there. They never
achieved the goal they're looking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
And we're at a stage right now where this isn't
the let's let's get to the have to have because
we can't afford the nice to ice to have. We're
not going to have if we keep going this way,
this this thing at thirty the thirty six trillion in
debt that I keep saying this whole show, it's it's
an incomprehensible number. We used to talk about the debt

(01:11:38):
being in the hundreds of billions and it being untenable.
We are thirty six trillion and growing it is. There's
just no there's there's no sustainability to that. And if
you're if it's not and we could agree to that,
and any anybody should be able to agree that that
is not sustainable, then what Yeah, then it begs the question,
then what Because what you don't want to do is
have it all collapse. Then everybody he's losing everything. So

(01:12:01):
then what that's what you have to do, is Steven's described,
and as many of our callers have talked about, no
one's looking to take the hard workers. And we know
there's there's a function and a role for federal our
federal government. It's all this abusive waste, and I would
even argue theft going on that disrespects every hardworking person
government or private sector that's working right now. It disrespects
them all that these guys are funneling money to themselves, robbing,

(01:12:24):
robbing the Public Treasury, and I frankly, Rod think that's
what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Yeah, great discussion today, and we do we respect government
employees out there, the hardworking employees out there, We respect them.
What we're saying and what Stephen just said, sometimes you
gotta go deep to change the culture, and that's what Donald.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I just think those are listening to the show are
the ones we had to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
If those are the show, that's your finer spy right now,
that's your litmus test.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
You're in man. All right, more coming up the Rod
and Greg show and talk great. You know, one oh
five nine k n rs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
I'm citizen Hughes and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I brought our kit great to be with you.

Speaker 19 (01:12:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Last month, of course, was President's month. President As a
matter of fact, February twenty second, I think marked the
two hundred and ninety third anniversary of George Washington's birth.
And you know, it's always an interesting discussion, Greg, where
we're talking about constitutional crisis and everything that's going on
in the federal government, to have a discussion about what
would our founders think. Well, joining us on our news

(01:13:20):
mager line right now is Bradley Jackson. Bradley is the
vice president of Policy at the American Council of Trustees
and alumni joining us on our news mager line right now. Brad,
thanks for joining us tonight. You know, when we're in
situations like we are right now, and I talk to
people who have studied the founders, people like Jefferson and
Adams and certainly George Washington, what do you think George

(01:13:43):
Washington would think about how things are going in this
country right now? Brad, Oh, sure, lots and lots of thoughts.

Speaker 21 (01:13:49):
You'd actually have to stop me if I try.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
To get among.

Speaker 21 (01:13:53):
A couple, just begin with one. They'd be very surprised
by the size of the federal government. I don't think
they ever saw the executive branch, as in particular, growing
quite as large as it has. Our bureaucracy is very large, indeed,
and I think that that would surprise them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
In many ways.

Speaker 21 (01:14:13):
The history of how that happened, through Presidents Wilson and
Roosevelts and others, is a very interesting history, but nonetheless
it's quite a departure from the original founding intention. The
other thing I'd mentioned under that heading is the very
existence of political parties, which the men who founded the
country wrote the Constitution did not foresee political parties becoming

(01:14:37):
as central to our political system as they have become.
They talk about parties in terms of being factions and
in terms of being potential dangers to the Constitution, and
so I think they would see our polarization and our
party system as quite a departure from what they intended.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
You know, certainly the polarization of people that affiliate right,
you know, as a Democrat or Republican. We're seeing that.
You know, Tesla was popular with Democrats until Elon Musk's
working with Trump. Now they can't stand them. They don't want,
they don't want to, they don't want and the object,
I guess could be said. But here's what Here's here's

(01:15:13):
my question. I actually see the absence of the political party,
or more a unit party in Washington, where it seems
like the Republicans and Democrats just switched jerseys given a
presidential election, and they continue to print money and do
these things. It looks like the absence of a political
party or some real differences isn't serving us very well
right now, at least inside the Beltway. Would you concur.

Speaker 21 (01:15:37):
Well, I'm actually not sure I would agree with that
that there was a time, maybe twenty or so years ago,
when the parties had a large amount of overlap in
terms of what they were pursuing in terms of policy.
But over the last fifteen years in particular, that started
to change quite a lot. So when we look at

(01:15:58):
measures of an ideology for people in these parties and
the policies that those ideologies tend to suggest, we're seeing
the parties actually pulling apart now in ways that they
hadn't before.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
So forty years ago, maybe.

Speaker 21 (01:16:14):
It was about a high water mark in terms of
the parties being similar to one another ideologically. That's when
we had an era of conservative Democrats and the liberal
Republicans serving in Congress. But now the parties are becoming
more and more distinct, and I think that's less true.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
This word liberty you write about very important to George Washington.
What did he see, why did he see liberty as
such a strength, and why was so important to him?

Speaker 21 (01:16:41):
Yeah, So Washington was one of not just the first
leaders of the Republic under the Constitution, he was also
a very important leader during the Revolutionary War, and that
war was thoughts in the name of and in the
service of liberty in our rights as America to create

(01:17:02):
lives for ourselves without the English King interfering. And so
he thinks that liberty is just a quote from him,
interwoven with every ligament of the American hearts. He believed
that the Constitution itself was based upon what he called
the fundamental maxims of true liberty and the power and
the right of the people to establish governments. And so

(01:17:24):
liberty is what America means, the freedom of each one
of us as individuals to live lives of our own choosing,
and to try to live in such a way that
betters ourselves and our families without too much interference from
the other powers that may be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
You know, I actually your answer to my question is
very familiar to me. I mean, I think in our
state legislations, I'm a recovering public servant. But I could
show you that I could. I think most of the
of the good public policy bills it are introduced passed
by supermajority, because good public policy doesn't necessarily fall within
the confines of one political parties platform or another's. But

(01:18:05):
when you get to d C where they get to
print money, and all of a sudden, it looks like
this is more of a where the public treasury is
going to go. That's where I see the lines between
political parties start to blur, and that's the part I
think that I'm worried about that. I don't know that
Washington even contemplated George Washington did in his day. I
can see the polarization of parties and platforms, but I

(01:18:28):
still go back to that Washington d C. And where
the lines are blurred. I don't think it's been in
a healthy way. But how do you reverse that or
do you think it's even necessary or do you think
it's okay.

Speaker 21 (01:18:38):
So that's a really interesting and complex question. And I'm
not an expert in the budgets, but my understanding is
that the majority of what is spent on the federal
budget every year is a non discretionary spending, So things
that we couldn't decide to save money on even if
we wanted to, at least without a massive statutoryal. Overhauls

(01:19:00):
of things like Social Security, medicare things of that nature.
In the discretionary spending, which I agree with you, both
parties seem perfectly happy to spend more when it suits them.
There tends to be policy disagreements on what that money
should be spent on. Should it be essentially given out

(01:19:22):
in tax credit, should it be spent more on social
safety net programs? You know, lots of partisan differences still exist,
but the overall size and scope of the government, most
of the money that is spent goes to non discretionary
safety net spending and the military.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
I want to go back to I want to go
to the end of your article where you talk about,
you know, we need to study Washington and really, you
know that we can really understand, you know, what he
was all about, what he was trying to do. Are
we getting that in the education that has been taught
to our children today? I mean a true civics education.
Are are you getting that today?

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
I don't think that we are.

Speaker 21 (01:20:03):
No, And the reason for that is that we no
longer take seriously the principles of the Founding as things
that students need to learn in order to participate in
American civic life appropriately. We live in a country that
was based primarily not on blood or soil or any

(01:20:24):
principles like that, but instead on moral and political principles,
on ideas. In other words, and if you don't learn
the ideas that animate the United States Constitution, then it's
hard to appreciate it for what it really is. What
makes Americans Americans is that they believe in and invest

(01:20:45):
in a certain sort of public philosophy, a philosophy of
liberalism and the classical sense of protecting the life, liberty,
and pursuit of happiness of every individual. The freedom to speak,
the freedom to worship God as you see fit. All
of these parts of liberty are derived from our Constitution

(01:21:05):
and the public philosophy that animates it. And to the
extent that students aren't learning those ideas, it's easier and
easier for people to fall back on the more traditional
forms of political community, like basing things on blood or
basing things on simply being bored in a place on soil.
And so the kind of ideas that people like Washington, Jefferson,

(01:21:29):
James Madison and others believe in are meant to be
the animating principles of the government going forward, and if
we lose those, we are in danger of losing the
meaning of the Constitution and eventually the Constitution itself.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
On our Newsmaker line, that is Brad Jackson talking about
what we can learn today from George Washington. Do we
want to talk about this, well, what what we saw
on social media?

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Yeah, well it's discovering.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
We can, but we can describe it, can we not?

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I guess it's gross. It's it's it's the mindset of
these lunatics. Now there's two people. Look, it's this is
a this is a paid for uh astro turf uh
tear domestic terrorist act of these Tesla dealerships being targeted.
You have this new website out that's actually giving names

(01:22:18):
of people that addresses of people that own Tesla's. All
kinds of things like that are going on. But then
you have this group of people that I maybe calling
him lemmings or sheep would be a compliment from what
we just saw in that video, But you have people
that are buying into this narrative thinking that that anyone
who owns a Tesla's somehow now a fascist and a
Tesla's and and Elon musk Is is the monster.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah, well, we aren't going to describe it on the
air because it's just too gross. But it may be
one of the grossest things I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Right, well, he is, Yeah, this guy just goes up
and and puts puts human feces on the on the
Tesla vehicle from himself and to be a person that
can do that, walk up to that and do it
is disgusting. Yeah, but it's the mindset. I think that
it's been called a mind virus. I think you've got

(01:23:07):
moneyed people, you got billionaires, you got a lot of
people making a ton of money, Robin the public treasury,
and they have put up they're putting up a fight
as you would imagine that draining the swamp would. But
boy do they got some disgusting people that buy into it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Well, they sure do. All right. More coming up on
the Roden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine can Ers. We want to get to it
right now. We're talking about the pounding that Donald Trump
got from John Roberts yesterday and there's some really interesting
twist of this story that we're learning now. That's why
we want to bring on William Jacobson. We've had William

(01:23:41):
on the show before. He is the founder of the
Legal Insurrection blog. You should check it out. They do
great work there. William, how are you welcome to the
Rodin Greg Show. Thanks for joining us, William.

Speaker 13 (01:23:51):
Thank you for having me that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
So, the biggest front of a mine question I have
is it's come out that the Chief Justice Roberts comments
were not broadly shared with the media at large. There
was not a full and succinct statement, that he chose
certain media outlets to share this with, and as other
media outlets went to the Supreme Court's Public Information officer

(01:24:14):
to get the full statement, those requests have gone unanswered.
It seems a bit worrisome, not only just the content
of what the Chief Justice said, but the way he's
done this seems to be kind of suspect as well,
where he picked certain media outlets to leak or to
share this with and not everyone. What would you say

(01:24:36):
about that?

Speaker 13 (01:24:38):
Well, I think things are a little murky in that regard.
We do know that the statement was put out, or
at least a couple of sentences were put out. I
don't know if we know for a fact there was
a longer statement. So this is an area where there's
a lot of suspicions. I think we could deal with
the statement he did release, but how he did it,
whether I assume it wasn't him, it was the press

(01:24:59):
off office there or somebody like that. So it's very murky.
I followed those reports that you're talking about, and no
one seems to have the answer, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
What do you make of what he said, William.

Speaker 13 (01:25:13):
Well, basically what he said was that, you know, we
should without naming names, and of course he's talking about
Donald Trump, we should not we should not be talking about,
you know, impeachment and things like that. We should let
the normal appellate process work, and that if you think

(01:25:34):
you've got a bad decision, let's let the process work.
And the problem with that is the process has not
been working. What the Democrats did, and it was even
reported by the New York Times last November, they lined up,
according to the Times, eight hundred attorneys and forty plus
organizations to flood the courts with lawsuits as soon as

(01:25:56):
Trump took office. And that's what's happened. And what has
happened is that unfortunately, they picked locations where they're likely
to get Biden appointed judges, and they've unfortunately gotten judges
who have really stepped out of bounds. I mean, we
always get decisions we don't like. That's that's not the issue,
and you take them up on appeal. But these in

(01:26:16):
many cases have been judges who have really tried to
usurp the executive powers of the you know, executive branch
of government. There's separation of powers. Courts get to decide
what's legal and what's not legal, but the executive, the
chief executive, the president gets to run the executive department.
And that's been the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
So the part that's been frustrating for me is that
we haven't heard a whole lot from just Chief Justice Roberts.
When it came to President Biden calling out the Supreme
Court in the State of the Union with them presidents saying,
you're going to feel the political You're going to feel
the political influence of women, you know, for voting. You
know on Dodd that you've heard calls for impeachment, you

(01:27:00):
heard calls for stacking the court, calls for term limits
of chief justices. You had leaked clerks. I guess it
was clerks leaking a draft decisions that culminated into at
least two assassination attempts of justices. And I never heard
anything from the Chief Chief Justice Roberts. Why the selective

(01:27:23):
outrage or logic being applied in this moment versus some
real disturbing moments that we've seen politically that where the
Supreme Court has been in the crossfire.

Speaker 13 (01:27:36):
That's right. I mean, there have been some pretty outrageous
things that have happened the Democrats, you know, Chuck Schumer
standing on the steps of the Supreme Court, you will
reap the whirlwind, you know, that sort of stuff. And
so there does seem to be selective outrage. It seems
like Trump gets under their skin. Surprise, surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Trump seems to.

Speaker 13 (01:27:58):
Get under it in more than most people. And that's
unfortunate because it's very unusual for the Chief Judge Justice
to issue statements essentially admonishing a politician. Again doesn't name
people by name, but it does seem like this is
very odd, like why now all times? And I think

(01:28:19):
now of all times, because he's feeling pressure, not just
from Donald Trump, from four members of the court. On
one of the cases, the case where the judge ordered
the two billion dollars be paid within thirty six hours
by the government on some contracts, not even knowing what
the contracts were, and the government said, well, wait a second,

(01:28:41):
we have to review these make sure we actually owe
the money, and he ordered them to pay and they
ran to the Supreme Court. They got a muddled the result.
But the long story to it is the Supreme Court
did not act decisively, and four of the justices, in
an opinion written by Alito with Thomas and with Gorsuch
and with Cavanaugh, said we have failed. We the Supreme Court,

(01:29:03):
have failed in our obligation to keep the district courts
within their constitutional boundaries. So it's not just Donald Trump
who's complaining, and it's not just Republicans and not just me.
Four justices on the Supreme Court called out the Court
for not acting decisively. So I think he's feeling pressure.
But his words really shouldn't be directed to the people

(01:29:25):
who are putting the pressure. It should be directed at
the district courts who are not obeying the separation of powers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
William, we're short on time tonight. I wish we had
more time to chat, but we appreciate your insight. Thank you, William, great,
thank you pick here all right now, William Jacobsen. He
is the founder of the Legal Insurrection blog. You should
check it out. Very very interesting thoughts on all of this.
I forgot Greg before the election, or it may have
been leading up to the election, there was an organized

(01:29:52):
effort on the part of state's attorney generals and various
legal minds to get together and challenge Trump on everything
he's done he would do, And that's exactly what they're
doing now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Yeah, we're over seven hundred federal judges making that are
President of the United States right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Now, coordinated efferent All right, more coming up, final thoughts
on the Rod and Greg show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one o five to nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Coming in for a landing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Rod about to land on the aircraft carry We forgot
to mention this today. You and I will be at
the International Sportsman's Expo tomorrow's down there at the at
the Mountain America Expo Center and Sandy, we'll be doing
the entire show from down there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Yeah, buying, say hi.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Now, we'll be down there. We'll be down there tomorrow.
Remember yesterday, I think we mentioned on the air that
Donald Trump has fulfilled his promise that if Maine wouldn't
stop boys from entering girls' sports, he was going to
pull away their federal funding. Yes, well that's what he
did yesterday, Okay, and today Trump is freezing one hundred
and seventy five million dollars in funds to the University

(01:30:55):
of Pennsylvania over the swimmer good he's saying, nope, no, yeah,
you know, he's following through on his threats. Oh, you
better listen to Donald Trump when he said.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Something, we're go court shopping and find yourself find a judge,
Judge Biden, you know, nominated judge to tell to become
president for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. So he's a man of
a man of his word right now. And the American
people like that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Well, you know, I yes, I want to thank all
our callers, all our listeners, and those especially that called
and shared personal stories observations. I think that it was
a great show today, and I think he gave some
insight that you're not hearing, certainly not hearing in the
regime media and the talking heads on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
On all dudes. Get the crying employees. You know, we've
got a cuteral employees. Like I said Greg during the show,
they all recognize we have wasting government. They realize there's
going to be some hard decisions made. We also recognize
there are some very hard working ted.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
It was a great show. Thank you, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Sor right man that does it for us Tonight, head up,
shoulders back, May God bless you and your family, and yes,
this great country of ours will be a live tomorrow
at the Sportsman's Expote