The Rod and Greg Show: Salena Zito on Her New Book About the Assassination Attempt on Donald Trump

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have we got a show for you today better than
cloud seeing?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I think washing my car so that it rains is
better than this whole cloud seating thing that is just
brand new to me.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Have you looked yesterday to understand? Now, I'm afraid of it.
I don't even. I don't even. It's like, I'm afraid
to know.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Can't believe, ladies and gentlemen, if you didn't know this,
and if you weren't listening yesterday, we learned. We learned
new things about Hughes all the time, but we learned yesterday.
He doesn't know what cloud seating is.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I heard about it, I just didn't think it was real,
and now it turns out it is.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now, why why are we okay with this? I'm fine
with it. You're why let it rain?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It doesn't rain. They're putting chemicals out there. How do
you know that's not dripping on you?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
See the water you're drinking right now, there's probably chemicals
in that you don't even know.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Think about it, man, I thought the red dye was
the problem.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Now I got and I got stuff in the sky
that I didn't know anything about.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, you got to deal with that as well, all right,
I can't wait a little bit later on. We had
a chance earlier to talk to with Selena Zito. Yes,
Selena is I think one of the best reporters out
there because she understands America like other journalists don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I think I agree. She was a few feet.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Away when an attempt on Donald Trump's life in Butler,
Pennsylvania was made back on July thirteenth of last year.
We all remember that, right. She's written a brand new
book and I think it's out now you started listening
to it today. We are going to spend some time
with Selena a little bit later on in the show
and dig into what she has learned. Some fascinating information

(01:25):
coming out, so we'll talk about that. Also coming up
Steve Moore. Steve's kind of on a high, yeah, pie step, Yeah,
an economic high because of some of the things Donald
Trump has done. We'll get into that as well. So
we've got a lot to get to today, and as always,
we invite you to be a part of our program.
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(01:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
This this little new feature that we have for the
program where if you have the app and you see
that little microphone it's in red on the right hand
right top right hand corner, gives you a thirty give
you thirty seconds to share a take. And they've been great.
It's act think it's added to the program yet a bit.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, and we'll try we try and air as
many of those comments as we possibly can. So we've
got a lot to get to today, but we start
off now. This isn't a local story, but I think
it has national implications, Greg, because so much attention is
always focused on Texas. The Democrats salivate every election year
hoping that they can get something going in Texas and
they can't.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
No, right, They've tried very hard.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
But well, the sitting senator there, John Cornyn, who's really
not a popular guy. I guess with some Trump supporter,
is that fair to say?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I would, I would venture to say he's not very
popular in Texas. And that could be so with yeah,
with people that support the president, but with you know,
in Texas, he's not very popular.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, Well, he was up in I think the challenger
was Ken Paxton, who's out of Texas, but the Attorney
General Lieutenant of Attorney Attorney was challenging him, and he
had a ten point lead according to the LEAs Poles.
But then this bombshell just dropped a short time ago.
The announcement could have a significant impact on the US

(03:10):
Senate race. The wife of Ken Paxxton filing for divorce,
citing recent discoveries.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and you know it's been Ken Paxton has been
You can say he's been a political target. He was
impeached in the Texas House of Representatives for finance for misdeeds.
They had the trial in the Senate. He wasn't found
guilty of those impeachable offenses that were forward to them
from the Texas State House. But his wife is a
state senator, so she was a member of the body

(03:40):
that received the articles of impeachment over her husband. I
don't know what happened, if she accused herself or whatnot,
but you know, there's you go through that kind of
political challenge. For me, it would be hard to turn
around and run for a US Senate race. But he
hasn't here. He had a successful fund raiser here in Utah.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Just recently, just recently, that's right.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So he and he was doing he was crushing Republican
Centator Coronine in the polls. But now that there's this
drama with his wife filing for divorce and accusing him
of or citing uh, you know, newfound information or anyway,
it's it just doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
It had an affair. I don't I.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Don't know that that's like a really good campaign, you
know again, I think, yeah, if you have errors in
your quiver and a campaign election, this wouldn't be one
of them. This might be a little more of like
a I don't know what a lead weight around your.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Now and what's yeah, and what's funny about this? Today?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
There was a story Abby had it into one over
newscast earlier where the President was meeting with John Thune
today who's the Senate majority leader now, talking about the
Senate races coming up in twenty twenty six, and there
was discussion about what do we do about the race
in Texas with Cornan and Paxson. That happened today before
this information came out. So what does that change?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, and let me tell you this is a scare
the daylights out of every one of us. You know
this Jazz Representatives Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, who just you know,
I think she's she's not. I think she's she gets
more unhinged than even AOC. She's in a head to
head pole against Senator John Corny. And this is why
you know he John corn is not popular in Texas.
She's got a four point is it a four point?

(05:20):
She's got a lead, she's got a she's she leads
him in a new poll if it's one on one.
So she's gone from you know, just these controversial sound
bites and I didn't think taken very seriously to really
holding a lead in the polls over John Cornyn. And
if you take Paxton out of that race, and I
don't know what's going to happen with his campaign. I
don't know what happens, you know, with that, with his

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wife and all that, But that's not the strongest candidacy
now if that's going on, no matter what the details are.
So if Cornyon gets the Republican nomination and you've got
Jasmine crocket Well Texas who's beating him.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
She's beating the daylights out of all the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
In the race.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I mean, he's beating Representative Colin Allred, who took on
corn In last time he lost, beating good old Bettlet
O'Rourke is still there, Representative Joaquing Castro. She's beating all
of them handily.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
And those Castro boys, they've they've done a few things.
One's been a cabinet member and one of the Democrat administrations.
And yeah, that's that's that's something else. Man, that's just crazy.
If she gets in the Senate looking, I mean, that
makes that makes that I really think that makes John
Fetterman look like Einstein rocket scientists next to her. I mean,

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I just think he ends up becoming the genius in
the party.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
He does, he does well.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
One other thing we want to talk about today, and
we'll get into this a little bit later on as well,
But did you know there's a new study out that
says climate change is keeping us up at night?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah? I don't buy it.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
How much do you stay up at night worrying about
climate change?

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Not at all? Not at all.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I would venture to say that. I don't think really
anyone is.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, ABC News, now that's a trustworthy news to part me.
You can count on have cited a new study from
the journal Nature Communications. I know we communicate with nature,
but it basically says that climate change is making it
harder for us to go to sleep every night.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Now that's fair. I don't know about you, but I
sleep pretty well every night. Yeah, that's fake news.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I sleep, I sleep good. Now, how do we feel
about climate change? Well, Harry Anton has been talking about
that on CNN. He's got a new survey out there
today and is showing rather some rather interesting things about
how all of us feel about climate change and if
we're afraid of climate change.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, so this is this.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I love Harry Anton because he's just I just love
the emotion he puts into these things. It's always good
and it's always informative. So he wanted to run the
numbers about how scared people are of cloud change? Climate change?
Is this something you're afraid of? Let's have a listen.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Are Americans afraid of climate change? And the answer is,
Americans aren't afraid of climate change. Climate activists have not
successfully made the case to the American people. I want
you to take a look here. Greatly worried about climate change.
We have data going all the way back since nineteen
hundred and eighty nine.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Look at that.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
It was thirty five percent, two thousand forty percent, twenty
twenty forty six percent, and twenty twenty five forty percent,
which is the exact same percentage as back in two thousand.
Despite all of these horrible weather events, the percentage of
Americans who are greatly worried about climate change has stayed
pretty gosh darned consistent, which kind of boggles the mind

(08:30):
a little bit. Granted, everything that we see on our
television screens, our computer screens, the hurricanes, tornadoes, the flooding,
but yet greatly worried about climate change forty percent twenty
twenty five, the exact same percentage is back in two thousand.
Are Americans afraid of climate change?

Speaker 7 (08:43):
And the ad?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, so you know what, And if you go back
to like aces nineteen hundred, and it makes that sound
like it's ancient times, nineteen eighty nine is on all
that far from me. But it was thirty five percent
where they weren't putting billions of dollars into these green
climate agenda nonsense doomsday stuff. To me, I don't remember anyway,
it was thirty five percent then moved up to forty percent.
In two thousand, it went up a little bit. But

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then right now with all they've spent with all the
fur mongreen and when he says all religion, and when
Harry Enton says, you know, we see all these hurricanes
and things on our computer screens that we didn't have
all these computer screens back then. You get it all now,
and you don't have anyone that's taking it seriously thankfully,
because I think it's I think it's just just because
you know about it now doesn't mean that the hurricanes

(09:27):
didn't happen. Yeah, went back in eighty nine or two thousand,
when you didn't see it on your your friend, they
didn't have new words for it.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
What's the heat domes? Heat domes and what was the
river that?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, you know, all the all the ords they used
to make it sound like it's the worst ever.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, speaking of that, we are going to be talking
with a young meteorologist who is being attacked by climate
change and zealots because he's questioning climate change and what
happened in Texas. We'll talk to him coming up next
on the Thursday afternoon edition of The Rod and Greg Show.
Right here on Utah's Talk Radio one all five nine
get in rs of all people, WHOOPI Goldberg is defending

(10:04):
Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
No, I don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
This is the AI fake voices, That's what this is.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
This happened apparently yesterday.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And Marco Rubio was with her, right, No, I will
have to hear it to believe it and to actually
watch it.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Well, we'll let you hear that. But it's all about
Texas and the flooding down there, the tragedy, the loss
of life. There is a young meteorologist who raised some
questions about this, and now he's being attacked by guess who,
the climate change zealots. Yeah, it's a surprise, surprise, surprise. Yeah,
the Party of Tolerance is not very tolerant to science

(10:41):
or its explanation. It doesn't meet their worldview. Well, that meteorologist,
young meteorologist, is a man by the name of Chris
Martz who's joining us on our any hour Newsmaker line
right now. Chris, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Greg Show?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
How you doing? Thanks for having me on?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
All right, Chris, what did you do to take off
the zealos?

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Well, pretty much just posts Facts imagine that.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yeah, it's far far. Of course, I'm used to it
at this point. But anytime that you get truthful about
what's really going on with the weather, whether it's the
people that promote the climate change you know hysteria on
the left or some of the weather modification people on
the right, nobody likes to hear what the actual facts show.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
What exactly did you say your do Chris.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
So, I just recently graduated from Millersville University near Lancaster,
Pennsylvania with my bachelor's last degree in meteorology back in May,
and over the last year or so, I've worked part
time as a policy analyst and meteorologists for the Committee
for a Constructor Tomorrow See Facts, which is based out
of Washington, d C. Were a nonprofit in Goo that

(11:54):
does that works on energy policy.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
So I'll tell you that you start out this story,
this column that you write where you share how you
how you've been treated as you've talked spoken about science.
But by the way, folks, he loves he embraces this.
This is this is something that you didn't get blindsided.
You actually look to have a constructive conversation and you
had some you know, know it all. MPR reporter from

(12:18):
Kansas City that that said that you wasted your money
on your degree. You know, always that's a very fact,
you know, nice science there in your in your insult NPR.
But I want to know when because you're not the
only person that as you've looked into this and you've
looked at some of the science related to it, are
coming up with very different conclusions and what the climate

(12:39):
Agenda has has been sharing with the with the public.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
So are you alone or you alone?

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Voice?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Do you feel like there's a lot of people like you,
you you're young, that are really getting this information out?
What's what does it look like out there in terms
of this debate.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
Well, it is a long term, uphill battle. It has
been for many years now and until we've had you know,
President Trump come in, you know, to the to politics
really you know ten years ago or so, uh, it
really was increasingly difficult. And you know, especially now, you know,
even though if we had Biden an office for four

(13:14):
years the second Trump turn, things have been able to
change a little bit on that front. It's still very slow.
There's a lot of weeds in there with government science
reports and the corruption there. But as far as the
scene on the on the young uterologists front, I can
confidently say that there are a lot of young people
out there my age that share my line of thought. Unfortunately,

(13:36):
a lot of them are too afraid to speak out
because either they have job prospects that with academia. They
might be going into grad school, where you have to
to a fine line because it's not what universities promote.
They might be going into the government for other positions,
so they have to be very careful about what they say.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I've been able to.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
I've been able to bones platform and go into the
private sector and do things a little bit differently, so
I have a voice. So it looks somewhat promising, but
there's still a lot of work.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
To be done.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Chris, how many how much trouble did you run into
with your professors? Were probably totally disagreed with everything you
were trying to find out.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Well, what I will say on that is that most
of my professors over the I had a total of six,
Now there were two retirements that incorporates there that retired
I had. Most of them were very open to the
big debate. They didn't always agree with everything I said.
Sometimes they agree sometimes they didn't, but they actually believe
it or not defended my right to free speech. I

(14:38):
actually had more pushback from people on the outside and
my classmates than I did with my professors.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
You know, you share that at some point you're you're
in school and you're as you're doing this, there's just
so much grief you're taking. You're thinking, man, this is
a stick to beat myself with. I don't know that
this is worth it. And I guess a veteran meteorologist,
television meteorologist took you as a side and said that
someone has to make this, make this case. Someone has
to stand up. Uh what did that mean to you

(15:05):
in terms of a veteran meteorologist who knows that, who's
aware of the science himself, looking to you to kind
of carry that torch.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
What's what does that? How does that change your trajectory
in life?

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Well, well, I think that that's big volumes to me
because I was at the point after all the pushback,
especially my first three years of college were great. I
had a great time. It was wonderful, best years of
my life so far. But my senior year of college
was saved for the lot of the student body kind
of changed. The people that I the people that I
were really close friends with, they happened to agree with

(15:37):
me a lot of things. They had graduate a lot
of them I graduated before me by a year or two.
So my final year there was it was a very
different kind of climate there as far as the personalities
of people. So I just didn't mesh well with them.
And so, you know, I just felt like, with you know,
not of vitriol that was directed toward me, that I
didn't really want to continue doing.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
This at times.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
And so when I was talking to my one of
my meteorologists, the vetteran meteorologist friends up in Harrisburg, about this,
he said that, you know, somebody your age has to
do this because you know, not all of us are
going to be around forever, and somebody that is, you know,
trying to find the truth and be honest about all
this needs to carry that torch. And so that spoke
the vilounce to me that, Okay, I'm doing the right thing.

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Ignore the haters, you know, just get to work on
it and ignore them.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Final question for you, Chris, is there one thing you
think the general public who questions climate change to begin
with should know about what's going on, and the fact
that the climate changes every day.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
In my opinion, I mean, I mean, what.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Should the general public know one thing you think they
should know about this, this climate change religion that exists
out there.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
Well, I think that people I think that people need
to understand that the issues are more a little bit
more complicated than either side wants to make it out
to be. People generally on the political left think that
the world's ending, We're all going to die, it's a
climate crisis. People on the right, a lot of them
think it's you know, straight a full out hoax or
a scam. Certainly, the climate policy, the energy policies that

(17:07):
you know, typically progressive politicians want to implement, I would say,
fall into the category of a scam. They're not going
to do anything to stop, you know, the warming of
the planet. They're not going to make life better. They're
actually going to reduce our quality of life, make energy
expensive and unaffordable. However, as far as a scientific basis goes,
there is a legitimate basis to the whole global warming
thing theory. All else being equal, adding CO two to

(17:29):
the atmosphere should call some slight warming. The question is, is
we still don't know exactly how much of it has
been man made. We don't know how much warming is
going to be in the twenty first century, and we
don't know exactly how it's going to impact, you know,
things like extreme weather events, and so far, in our
observational records, despite the claims in the media, we really
have not seen an increase in extreme weather and that

(17:50):
frequency or magnitude on a global scale or in the
United States, and in some cases, in the case of
you know, hurricanes and tornadoes, they've actually decreased in frequency
with time. Yeah, there's a big disconnect between what the
media says and what evidence actually suggests.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, Chris, you're a refreshing voice out later on this
matter of climate change. Keep up the good work, Chris,
Thanks for joining.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Us, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Thanks a lot, Chris Martz, what it stories itself? I
love it.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I love that he's leaning in on it too. He's
gonna he's not gonna back down. And it's true. I
think he represents a demographic, an age of young people.
We need something other than greta thorn thurnboard running around there,
and this guy looks like he's ready to be that
or be part of it.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
That'd be a fun debate between those two. All Right,
Moore coming up on the Roden greg Show and Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n R.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Steve Moore, we we he's a regular on our program
when he shows up.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, but he's very busy, busy, so last week with
the big beautiful bill and everything else. He's always I
always see him on Fox News.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I see him.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
He contributes quite a bit, but he's got a soft
spot in his heart for Utah and for us, and
so we always are able to at least try, and
most times we're able to get him on the program.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
So he's going to join us.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
You know why he and why he likes you Utah,
Why loves to ski. It comes out every March goes
up Park City and ski.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I thought you were going to say he loves the
legislative work that well, he does that too. It happens
in Utah. And when I was basically doing it, I thought,
I thought I.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Heard you're saying he loves Utah because of skiing in you.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I think I had him at Hello. Yes, I think
that's what happened. You don't like to tell it, but
I'll just tell.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Them, well, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Steve, you were calling the O Triple B the biggest
conservative victory in thirty zerears.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Steve, you sound a little giddy.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
It sure was, and you know, look at it wasn't
a perfect bill, but if you're one who believes in
free markets and conservative principles, this was an outstanding victory
and a very very slim Republican majority in the House,
and Santa, it really shows the force of Trump's nature
that he's able to get this thing through. But you know,
remember you guys asked me a few weeks ago, do
you think I get this by fourth of July?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Way, I know I was.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I mean, it's yeah, it's amazing that he was the
able to get that done. Usually, you know, Congress waits
the very last minute, but you know it's Trump's parties. Now.
He put his fist dollar said you guys aren't going
home until you get this thing done. And they got
it done. And listen, I know that the headlines of
the New York Times, in the Washington Post and msnbcro o,
you know, the poor people are going to lose their
healthcare and rich people got a big tax cut. But

(20:19):
this was a tax cut for everyone. It avoids a
four trillion dollars tax cut. One of the reasons I
said this was such a big victory for conservatives includes
things like a vast expansion of school choice so parents
can send their kids to alternatives to these terrible inner
city public schools. It expands health savings account so it's
a good way to reduce medical costs by giving patients

(20:42):
more control of their healthcare dollars. We remember the electric
vehicle mandate, yea by an electric power of that one,
so we got ready. We repealed that. We repealed a
lot of the these you know, the all the electric
appliance mandates that Biden put in that you try to
take a shower, the water drips out. Those things are

(21:04):
all gone. So I mean, I could go on up.
And most important, one of the most important reforms is
one that has made the Democrats go crazy, which is
work requirements for welfare. And this is something that is
an eighty twenty issue of the vast majority of Americans
believe that. You know, look, we don't want to have
people go hungry, we don't want people to go homeless,
and we don't want people to have not not have

(21:26):
access to healthcare. But if you're going to get those
from the government, if you're going to get a welfare benefit,
you're going to have to be working. Yeah, either looking
for a job in a training program or in a job.
And the Democrats went crazy over that because there are
millions of people collecting all these benefits sitting at home
watching TV and playing computer games all day. So this

(21:46):
requires people. If you're going to get these benefits you've
got and you're able bodied, you have to get a job.
That's just scrim skimming the cream off the top of
the of the amazing things in this bill. So I
think it was a great victory for Trump, and I'm
super bullish right now on the US economy.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
So let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I I don't recall seeing a president administration working a
legislative body on the phone having enough showing. I don't
recall ever seeing it before. What was it you you
you see behind the curtain, you get, you get all
the good inside, you know info, all the good goss.
What was it that was helping the Freedom Caucus?

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Probably what it was these guys did not want to
say to the note to Donald Trump. And so you
had five or six conservative. And look, I a free
to what we call the freedom Clucus people. And if
I were in Congress, I'd be in the Freedom Clucus too.
I'm in favor of limiting government and pro growth policies.
But a lot of them didn't want to vote for
the bill because they didn't think there were enough spending cuts.
And I agree there were not enough spending cuts. But Trump,

(22:45):
you know, quite correctly called them up and said, look,
you got to get this thing done. Come on. He
kept these guys in there, you know you want to it,
kept them in in session until three o'clock in the morning.
They finally got the votes that they needed and they
got that thing done. And it was an amazing, amazing victory.
And now, most importantly, and I say this every time
on your day show, we defused a four tillion dollars

(23:11):
equivalent to a taxi qualt and a four trillion dollar
nuclear bomb being dropped on the American economy on January first,
you know, with all those taxes going on.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah yeah, Steven, your morning newsletter today, the Committee to
Unleashed Prosperity, there's a story about there. He pulled off
the one big, beautiful Bill. Now, can he pull off
the trade deal of the century with the European and
how important is that and is it going to happen, Steve, I.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Can't tell you whether it's going to happen. I think
it could happen. The latest is the European negotiators are
saying they'd like to go to a ten percent tariff
on you know, so we'd have a uniform tariff and
I could live with that. I think that would be fantastic.
It's a lot lower than the terrorists that are implified now,
and so that would be a giant win for free trade.
It would be a giant win for Trump. And I'm

(23:57):
very hopeful, and the Europeans have said they they want
to negotiate. Trump is using his leverage so masterfully at
getting these countries that were saying, well, we're not gonna,
you know, trade with you in mentell so okay, because
guess what, he knows they need to trade with us
more than we need to trade with them. And so
I think there's a pretty good chance that that happens.
And if it does, boy, you ain't seen nothing yet.

(24:18):
In terms of the stock market rally.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
We've seen such great, great negotiations. I think Secretary Besson
said that we're seeing three hundred billion though in collected
tariffs that are that are higher than we've had before,
which is a good number.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Three hundred billion spends. But let me ask you, some of.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
These bigger tariffs, if there isn't a deal worked out,
haven't kicked in yet. I know you're not a fan
of tariffs. You make that, you always give us that caveat.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I know you do.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
But what do you see in the future, which if
you're with your crystal ball, do you think that that
everybody sobers up, they come up, they come to the
table with a better deal than what they have in
front of them right now. Or are we going to
see some some tumult over some of these tariff deals
with countries in the near future.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yes, we can see both.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Okay, we're that's fair to see some tault and we're
going to see some deals kind and we'll see which
countries are smart and come to the table and negotiate.
Some some will be laggered, they don't want to negotiate.
They're going to get hit over the head with a
tariff club and so but I'm pretty optimistic about this.
I think the direction of things is good. He's already
got the UK, he's got India's in the mix. They

(25:25):
say they've got a deal with China. Believe that when
I see it. But you get you know, you talk
about ther opin union. That's twenty five, twenty five, twenty
six countries. That's that's a huge amount. So yeah, no,
I think we're going to end up with better, better
trade deals than we have before that are more advantageous
to the United States. And I'm all for that.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
You got them and Steve Moore on our any hour
line news line, Newsmaker Line. You're on Talk radio one
oh five nine, can or us more coming up? You're
on Talk Radio one oh five nine. We're all big
baseball fans, right, yes, but the number one complain in
almost every baseball game is the balls and stripes.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yes, well, do you agree?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I would, especially how they have a little square over
the strike so you can see it now now we
can just see when it misses it.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Well, major League Baseball, I mean, how over the years,
how many how many managers have been kicked out of
a game because they're upset with an umpire calling a
ball or strike?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Quite a few quite a few. Marky Anderson, Earl Weaver, Yes,
it was historic on that. Well.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Apparently the All Star Game is next week and Major
League Baseball announced today they are going to use its
robot umpire technology for ball strike challenges.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
You know, I was kind of a fuddy duddy before.
I didn't like all the technology interrupting kind of the
human side of sports. But I have actually changed my
mind on that. I think tennis uses technology well on
balls that are in bounds or.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Out of bounds. They do it Wimbledon, Wimbledon, they do
this in those majors.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think that it's time, especially if we can see
with our eyes a little square on the on your
TV screen. I think that's as easily called by technology
than by the human.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Eye they used in the minor leagues. This year they're
using something like this, I believe, are they not last year?
And this year in Triple A.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
I think it's on weekend games only they use a
challenge system with the automatic umpire.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Does it seem to be working pretty well?

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Seems to be.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
I haven't heard of too many issues other than the
hitters don't like the real borderline calls, like if a
baseball just catches the zone.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
It'll be called a strike. It's a strike. It's a strike.
Where would we be in the NFL without instant replay
or football in general? Absolutely, And I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I kind of always like the human element, but I'm
kind of understanding the technology can help us.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, especially when technology gave us the picture of the
strike song. So now if you're going to give us that,
then you got to give us a way to get
those called the right way.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
All right, Our number two of the Radic Greg Show
is coming your way on this Thursday afternoon right here
on talk radio one oh five nine kmris. I heard
yodeling in the background.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Man, I'm telling you this.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
That NaSTA like board that you sit in front of
every day, it gets, it gets a lot, a lot
of buttons over there.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
As many times you've been running this now you still
haven't figured this thing out.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Wait, take you know what it's like. It takes me.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I shouldn't meant this to you, but and our listeners
probably endure this and know it. It takes me a
show or two to get more comfortable with it. Yeah,
I mean I know the basics, but it's it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, you know, it's cold radio.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
But you know, I've folks, I've always offered he could
sit where I'm sitting and I could run that board.
But he's he's kind of a control freak that way.
He's like, no, used to stay over in your stay
in your lane, get over there.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Anytime you'd like to run this baby, It's all yours
man as all I've got it.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Say all right, by the.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Way, an hour from now, we are going to talk
with Selena Zito. Now, Selena, we've had Lelena on the
show before. I think she maybe understands Donald Trump and
his supporters maybe better than any journalist in this country today.
Would you would you agree.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
One hundred percent? I would so. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
She she is. She's from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. She's been a dunks,
She's done a great job. She worked for I think
Washington Examiner. She did a story for The Atlantic about Trump,
I think way back in sixteen, but it really put
her on the map. But she has been really narrating politics,
even President Trump, and she's been able to interview him,

(29:18):
but really the everyday American and what they're facing and
what how politics interfaces with American life. Yeah, and so
she's really distinguished herself as that with that perspective.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
She doesn't travel the interstates. She goes on the back roads.
That's where you find the real America. Well, she was
just a few feet away from Donald Trump back on
July thirteenth of last year in Butler, Pennsylvania. Yes, and
she has got a brand new book out simply called Butler,
and she looks into the assassination. She looks into what
Americans are going through right now. We talked to her

(29:51):
earlier today and will air that interview coming up in
the six clock hour, because there's some fascinating a couple
of things I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
You know, I feel like we're pretty well, just like
with Stephen or where he's he's so prolific and he's
on the National show so often, and she's the same
she is. There is no lack of appointments and interviews
for her book, and she's doing that tour for her
to fine time for our program today.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I appreciate it. Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
You'll enjoy this interview that's coming up in the six
Scott Coward, so you may want to stay tuned.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Someone who we also like hearing from is CNN commentator
Scott Jennings.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I want to get him on the show.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Well, he serves on the CNN panel every night. He's
the only one who brings a little bit of common
sense and conservative values to that wacky don't know how
he's lasted for Well, he's going to be doing his
own radio show. I heard that he'll stay at CNN
if he does that, or you'll have to leave. I
think they're paying him a ton of money. You can

(30:48):
do a radio show and show up on TV.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I will tell you that if he leaves CNN, the
last ten viewers of that network will depart.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
We'll go.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well, apparently they had quite a discussion yesterday about Dedicated.
Now the Democrats are having a field day with this,
saying that the one big, beautiful bill that was passed
by Congress and signed in a law by the President
will leave how many I mean, I've heard like it's
going to kill hundreds of thousands of people because they'll
be forced off Medicaid.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
There's no limit to the hyperbole and the falsehoods they
are being spread. It's worse than the Holocaust. I've seen
numbers that eclipse the Holocaust.

Speaker 7 (31:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, well, jennings On CNN last night went after North
Carolina sender Tom Tillis, who, by the way, voted against
the bill because of his fears about Medicaid and people
losing their jobs and coverage. Here's what Scott Jennings how
he responded.

Speaker 10 (31:35):
He is wrong, and most virtually every Republican thinks he's wrong.
There's nothing politically devastating about trying to bar one point
four million illegal aliens from getting welfare. There's nothing politically
devastating about encouraging four point eight million people who choose
not to work to try to work a little in
order to get government benefits. And they did in the
Senate install a fifty billion dollar fund for rural hospitals,

(31:58):
which was something he also raise concerns about. So I
don't agree with his political analysis, nor does virtually every
other Republican who helped to craft and ultimately pass this bill.
And I think Republicans ought to lean into these things.
Work requirements are good. Encouraging work instead of welfare is
a good thing, and it will work in campaign.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
And I think it will work.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
And this where I think, Greg, because you know, Greg,
the Republicans are going to be attacked for this. Yeah,
in the elections, the midterm elections next year. That's where
I think the Republicans need to stand up and say,
are you willing? You know, this debate, this debate about
healthcare that the Democrats have lived on is that every

(32:38):
American has a right to healthcare. I'm not sure if
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well, you know what, this whole argument is so skewed
and so upside down. And I got to tell you
that ten years ago, when I was in the in
the legislature and we were dealing with Obamacare expansion, we
didn't as a legislature pass it. We had a governor
that wanted it, even a Senate that wanted it, but
we couldn't make the numbers square up that everything they're
about now, these were this was inevitable with Obamacare expansion,

(33:04):
Medicaid expansion expansion. And we tried to say, look, you
get you make a deal with the devil, you're gonna
get burned. These these funds. If they if the government
ever decides to pair back their spending, they're just going
to take what they match to the states and make
it less. But what's crazy about this is this is
actually the Medicaid fraud that they're cutting. This is this
was never if you were an able bodied adult, it

(33:26):
was assumed that you would have some basic work requirements.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
This is twenty hours.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Clinton signed into law uh for tanna for yeah for
the for welfare benefits thirty to thirty five hours, depending
on how many able bodied you know people were in
the household thirty or thirty five hours. This is twenty hours.
Here's the other thing. This is the if we if
it's just based on income, the amount that you're supposed

(33:52):
to qualify for is supposed to let this so you're
so you can work? But rad do you know many
people on our listeners, this must this has to ring
home to our listeners. How many people do not get
free medicaid or medicare you know, medical Medicaid expansion and
in their insurance their health insurance costs are just suffocating them.
They pay so much, the deductibles are so high it

(34:15):
actually influences whether you can take your kids to the
doctor or not. We are paying such high high rates
for insurance everyday people that the discussion of who has
to work all of twenty hours to get their free
health care it should absolutely ring hollow and be offensive
to the American people because our health insurance costs are
just too high in this country.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Period.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Obamacare has done nothing to make health care affordable or available.
It's only made it harder, it's more expensive, and then
we're gonna we're supposed to lose sleep because someone's supposed
to work for twenty hours to get the health care
for free or a Yeah, because who can disabled people?
We're not talking about them. We're not talking about people
that are disabled, We're not talking about children. We're talking

(34:58):
about able bodied adults and illegal immigrants. I'm sorry. This
wasn't a program that was ever meant for people that
were not here lawfully. And so those types of things
are supposed to bolster a program that's to help those
that are truly in need. But all of the hyperbole
around this is just upside down and all of it
betrays the American people, I believe.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, and I think I'm with you, Greg. First of all,
you've got people out there who are busting their butts
every day, and simply because they make too much money,
they don't qualify.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
For Medicare and too much is not much money.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, And now so they're paying these exorbitant health care
cost health insurance costs which Barack Obama said you wouldn't
have to worry about under Obamacare. Well that hasn't That
hasn't solved, and some of these families out there are
making very difficult decisions. Should we take our child to
the hospital, Well only I haven't got the money to afford it,
you know what I mean, what kind of decision should

(35:50):
they be making here? They're working hard, yet people who
don't work at all get all the care they need.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You do the math, the deductive what you pay a
month as a family, or how are you pay your
health insurance? What you pay what you're deductible is before
your healthcare kicks in. Okay, it's not even insurance in
my mind, it's prepaid health care. You're paying so much
out of the out of pocket before you can even
see some version of insurance. And then I'm supposed to

(36:16):
lose sleep because people that are here illegally aren't getting
free healthcare, or someone doesn't want to work even twenty
hours to receive their free health care.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Hit the road.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I mean, this country was not made up by the
people that they're crying about, saying they're being so victimized.
This country's made with hard working people trying to make
ends meet. That's that's America.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
That is that is all right, We're gona be talking
about that. More about that, but when we come back
unprepared and entitled, what managers are saying about gen Z workers.
We'll get your reaction to that coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one O five
to nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I don't think it's I don't know. The word cool
would be okay as hot. Okay, so that's a little bit.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I mean I'm staring at eighty eight degrees. I mean,
I wouldn't be wonderful. I wouldn't be calling that cool.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
It's not one hundred and eight right, Okay, all right.
We were talking before the break about medicaid and requiring
people to work at least to try and work maybe
a whopping twenty hours a week to qualify for Medicaid,
And there was a new study out this from a
group called Intelligent. I'm not sure who that is, but
it found Greg that college grads are unprepared and very

(37:31):
unpopular now with some hiring managers. Why, Greg, Because they
think they are unprepared and feel entitled, unfamiliar.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yes, it does, does it recess? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Survey found that one in four hiring managers say recent
grads are unprepared for the workforce, and one in eight
are planning to avoid hiring them this year. That's not
a good sign.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
So I've heard this is anecdotal, but it kind of
kind of aligns with what you just shared. There people
that have businesses and they look you know, they put
out you know, job postings, and they look at resumes
and they have interviews and it's I've heard this observation
more than once and from different companies where the the
younger people that are coming are saying, you know, I

(38:16):
have my my mental health.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I have to really prioritize.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So I have a I have a hot yoga class
that I have to do at four o'clock every day
and I have to it takes me about thirty minutes
to get there. So just heads up, I have hot
yoga at four. Love to have the job, but know
that I prioritize my my my mental health. It's like,
really had a tell you that, really you had a
you had an applicant interviewing for job, just letting letting

(38:42):
the interviewer know get person had priorities, and that's there.
They had to prioritize their health, and so hot yoga
is part of that, and so, you know, I think
that that might that might have a chilling effect on
the old employment prospects.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe I'm too old school.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
You know what I say that employee, don't let the
door hit you in the butt on the way out?
I see, Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
I mean, but that's probably I think there's just a
lot of them. I don't think that's an out. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe that's maybe that's I don't have
to know what our listeners, if they're what they're seeing
out there, whether it's they're hiring, whether it's to who
they work with their coworkers, whether they have kids that
are getting into the job market. What do you see
on the landscape of this emerging workforce. Well, let's heart,
let's want the survey phone. The main reasons for their
lack of preparation okay, a social work ethic yes okay,

(39:38):
and a sense of entitlement yes, yoga class right?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Hot yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Twenty five twenty four percent of hiring managers believe recent
college graduates are unprepared, thirty three percent cite a lack
of work ethic, and twenty nine percent view them as entitled. Yep, well,
I want to move up quickly, and if I don't
move up quickly, I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, I think that there's a there's a I don't
even know if the concept of I have to start
at the bottom of the bottom wrung and work my
way up.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I don't know. If I don't know if that's you know.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Thought of twenty seven percent field graduates are easily offended.
You can't say anything to them anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think that's true. Is that true? I think I
think that's true.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And also twenty five percent say they don't respond well
to feedback, which goes along with being offended.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Because if you're a good a good manager, and I've
had some good ones over the years, we'll sit down,
look you face to face and tell you where you're
progressing and where you need to pick it up.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
So what I think has happened, and maybe we're getting
through this because I think a lot of life is
a pendulum. You know, these attitudes and cultural norms we
we became so politically correct, and you couldn't actually have
an uncomfortable conversation without you know, someone being you know,
the victim class became you. You were only legitimate if
you were a victim of some sort. You didn't have
standing in society, You didn't have you couldn't even have

(41:02):
an opinion unless you were a victim, part of some
victim class. And if you weren't part of a victim class,
then you were the oppressor or the privileged, and then
you were you know, you were worse. So everyone's searching
for where they're the victim, and so they're always looking
for something to be offended by because that's how they
they legitimize themselves. Well, if that's if that's the world

(41:23):
you operate in, and that's the mindset you have, then yeah,
you're going to get you a job, and you're not
going to want to get constructive feedback. You're not going
to tell that you're not you're not pulling your weight,
you're not actually performing like you need to. That would
be all, uh, that would all be oppressive from those
that are privileged to tell you things like that.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, well let me tell you what we'd like to
hear from people out in the workforce, and you know
tonight maybe you managers, maybe you've hired a gen zer
and you're just, oh, what did I just do? Or
maybe there's some out there who are really, really good.
We'd like to hear from those as well.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I told my kids they're in that age, their
emerging workforce age. I'm like, it's like shooting fish in
a barrel if there are that many of those kids.
You have a work ethic, and you know how to
communicate with people and look them in the eye and
speak and and work hard. The world's your oyster, because
I don't know how much competition you have out there anymore.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Probably not a whole lot anymore. And I I you know,
I think one of the most important things that parents
can do for their children. You did it with your kids.
I've done it with my kids. My parents did it
with me. Teach them how to work and not be
afraid of work.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Nope, all the kids have and they've and they've they
to their credit, they've drawn themselves to they drew to
it where they wanted to have a job, they wanted
to do those things and so and I think it's
served them all well. I think they're all doing pretty well.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Well, and you know, over the years, I've hired people
in this business. And the one thing I tell journalism
students is if you think this is a Monday through
Friday eight to five job, don't apply, right, because journalism
is you're going to work Christmas Eve, You're going to
work July fourth. You may not like it, but that's
the name of the business.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
So you don't see me smiling.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, you don't see me smile because this is rod
ur Kit we're talking about here. When he says that
because he's in Switzerland sending me articles and talking to him,
he doesn't get off the job.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Even when he's on vacation, he stayed on. Well, I
want to support you.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I know I appreciate it, but I don't know that
you you turn off, You just you.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's one why she says, can you turn it off?
And I just can't.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
No.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah, it's in the blood, it's me.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, when you've done it for one hundred and twenty
five years, I just think it becomes a habit. Don't
they say it's a one hundred years makes a habit.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Oh we started with stone tablets. Yeah all right, well, yeah,
it's a little faster.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Now HEREK calls and comments on gen Z Are you
running into this? Are you hiring people or having a
tough time finding people because they don't impress you that
they're either prepared or they have a strong work ethic
eight eight eight five seven oage zero one zero triple
eight five seven OAGS or a one zero cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod or the
talkback line.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Talkback line if you don't want to, you know, if
you just want to maybe a little more anonymous and
just leave out a little take out check.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Let us let us know. Let's know.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I want to know what you're seeing out there. Our
listeners are the marsh listening audience in all the land.
They got there, they got their ear to the ground.
They can tell us what's what a day?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Eight five seven O eight zero one zero or on
our talk back line more coming up on the Rotten
Gregg Show.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Our generation Z young ones.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
There's a report out saying that many are entitled. They're
not really open to criticism.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
No feedback. I want to feedback.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I have a lot of demand and h and so
you know, our question to you are listening audiences what
are you seeing? What's your ear to the ground. So
let's go to the phones. I look forward to hearing
from you. Let's go to Joe who's been patiently waiting.
Joe from Provo, thank you for holding in. Welcome to
the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
Hey, great to be here.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
You guys do a great job. Thank you, Thank you.
I think I think.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
You need to be an asset or a liability. And
as soon as you determine which one you're going to be,
these people can excel if they decide to be an
asset for the company. And they shouldn't see your work.
I think their parents haven't taught them how to how
to love work, enjoy work.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
When they when when you say they fear work, Joe,
could you explain what do you mean by that just
a little bit more. How do they fear work? What
do you see in them fearing wanting to work?

Speaker 7 (45:13):
I think it hurts their muscles. They you know, they
don't They're used to holding a remote control in their
hand or a telephone and they don't. They don't a
lot of times don't know what to do. It's it's
so hard to be patient with those kids and or
young people and I've I've been an employer for forty
five years and I don't want to have any employees ever. Again.

(45:35):
I'd rather work by myself.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Wow. Wow, Wow, that's interesting coming. Thank you, Joe. You
know that anybody, I don't anybody. I'm tell you without
naming names.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I've spoken to business owners just like Joe that are
saying it's it's it's rough out there. You look at
the younger people that it's slim pickings in terms of
this is why I tell my kids, my nephews, my nieces,
the world's your oyster.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
If you come in and you're ready to work.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Uh, there's there's there's a lot of upward trajectory for
for the young people because for some reason, Uh, there
is that attitude going on.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
You know what I've noticed, Greg, And I think I
was what helped me. My dad owned grocery stores, right
and oftentimes i'd work the counter, the cash register. You
interact with people, you know, Yes, you interact with I
don't know if kids today know how to interact with
each other.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, Now there's there's different reasons for that, but yeah,
I would agree with you that their their communication skills
are low. And when I say this, I'm sure there's
a lot of I mean, we've had Maddie from Provo calling.
She's that she's in that group, and I would I
think the world have heard she top of mind. You know,
we haven't heard from her in a while. But she's
a young person who I think is gonna, you know,

(46:45):
just tang. She's gonna do whatever she wants to do
in life. So that we have young people that are
that way. But I would just say, as a generation, uh,
whether it's the social media, the the bombardment of all
the different you know, reels and and just distractions, the
kids are their attention spans are limited, their work ethic
is low, and their and their sense of entitlement is high.

(47:08):
And my goodness, if you if you add victim class
to it all, if you're the only way you've been
told that you matter is if you have something that
some victimhood that you can attach yourself to good grief,
that's a that is a recipe for disaster. And I
hope that's changing. I hope that we're seeing the pendulum
maybe swing back the other way.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Do you remember your first job? Yes, what was it? Well?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I start paperboy Pittsburgh, Press, Pittsburgh Press. I used to
it was an afternoon paper. I'd get home from school
and I'd delivered the afternoon paper. That was my first job.
I was pretty young, but I've had a bunch of jobs.
Bunch of jobs.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
My dad, before your own grocery stores, had a small
butcher shop. Yeah, and five years old, couldn't get away
with this nowadays?

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Clean?

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Six years old, you're cleaning up. You're also stuffing beef
into the hamburger grinder. Okay, five years old, could you
see Osha doing that today?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Get your fingers.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
But the first job, other than working for my dad
was like you, delivering papers.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I cleaned a beauty shop every every weekend, once a week.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
And that was hard. Those beauty shops, all that junk
and chemical.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Imagine those chairs and they're supposed to be all chromed
out and mirrored on the bottom. They got all the
hair and hairspray on them. And I'm in seventh grade
scrubbing those chairs every week.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
But it taught you something, Yeah, never to do that.

Speaker 7 (48:24):
I had.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I had a list of like twenty things I had
to be cleaned from top to bomb, and I just
go through the list all the way down until the whole.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Shop is clean. Your favorite job.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I love being a bell hop at the Shareton, at
the hotel. That was a great job. My favorite job
is this, Well, I meant as a kid, I'm growing up,
not this. I love this. I mean, this isn't I'll
tell you what I don't think I was going to say,
because I don't know that everyone's this fortunate. But if
you can do something in life where you don't feel
like it's work or that you would do it even
if you weren't being paid to do it, boy, that's

(48:54):
the secret of life.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
And I feel like that's that's this Well.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I've done a lot of things in this business. Communications
never felt like were to me.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I just enjoyed it. Yeah, I I this isn't. This
isn't that I had jobs. This isn't.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
This isn't a job for me. This is a this
is a fun endeavor to be part of.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
All right.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
More coming up on the Roden greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Everyone's being shy. They don't want to they had kids.
They're afraid, you know, the kids will think you're talking
about them.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
No, they probably are. We want to remind people coming
up in the six o'clock hour. We had a chance
to talk with Selena Zito earlier today, well known journalist.
She was within feet President Trump when someone tried to
kill him last July thirteenth in Butler, Pennsylvania, an area
that you know well. She's written a book on this
fascinating new book, and we'll spend some time with Selena.

(49:43):
Asked her a lot of questions. She had some insight
I've not heard before. We had to record it earlier
today because of her very busy schedule in promoting the book.
But we'll let you hear that conversation. Fascinating things, as
she shared, he called her seven times the day after.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yes, I mean you'll have to hear why she thinks
that's the case. It's a really good story. Yeah, I
think because I you know, there's a lot of people
you're talking to for him to call her, and she's
a reporter, and anyway, you'll have to hear her discuss
the events that happened before you know, and after that
it's it's it's quite I think, informative. And by the

(50:19):
way I got the book, I wasn't able.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
To start reading. Started listening to once.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
We booked, once we knew she was coming on, I
just wanted to just get a feel of the book
and how, you know, how it lays out the whole thing,
and it just really starts in chapter one in the moment,
and it's it's a gripping account. It's it's pretty emotional
to to listen to her to read. I've got it
on Kindle and audible, but yeah, it was. It brought

(50:43):
me back to when that happened in real time.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
She also talks about in our interview, and she'll bring
this up. We all give everything away, but she talked
about why Donald Trump felt it was important after being
nearly hit. Well, he was, you know, bully got him
to stand up and say fight, fight, fight, or will
ever forget that picture? But it was important he felt
he needed to do that for the country.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, there is never a moment that was more unscripted, unplanned,
and you're just seeing someone's uh instincts take over. And
those instincts were right. I think those instincts were incredibly powerful.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah. Yeah, you would have been well.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Within your right to never being seen on a camera
being huddled over and head down and ushered into a
into a suburban but no, he he felt like he
needed to address the crowd.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
You know what, I didn't. We didn't because our time
was limited with Selena. I wanted to ask her because
there was a story and you may know this already
that when he was down there being held down by
the Secret Servants agents trying to protect him, the one
thing he asked for was his shoe.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yes, shoes, both were shoes.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Find my shoes for me.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah, he wasn't walking off their barefooty or you know,
he want his shoes.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
He want his shoes. Well, they're probably expensive shoes. Yeah,
I want them to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
You know, it's a funny. Probably in moments like that,
the things you're focused on are probably a little other things. Yeah,
you know, but but you know, there's a dignity to
being having been present before and he wanted to shot
back on his feet before he's getting out of there.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
And he didn't let it go. It was not an
issue he was going to let go.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
No.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Fascinating conversation will air. That conversation coming up in the
coming hour here on the Rowd and Greg Show. We've
been talking about today about gen zers. A lot of
college grads employers are saying, you know what, they're unprepared,
they're entitled, they don't understand the worth that worth work ethic.
They have a trouble communicating with each other. They have

(52:41):
trouble getting feedback. It's not easy giving people feedback, but
it's important if you're making mistakes or if you're doing
something good, yes, you know, to get that feedback. They
even have trouble when they're being told they're doing a
good job and question themselves.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
You know, and this is a glass half full on
this whole conversation. If you're young and you're hearing all this,
the world is literally your oysters. If you if you can,
if you have a high work ethic and you enjoy
what you do, and you want to make a difference.
And as one of the as our color had mentioned,
am I a liability or am I an asset? If
I want to be a value? If I want to
be seen as a value, what you do next? I

(53:17):
don't think you have as much competition.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
There's a saying, you know, if you got to outrun,
if you've got two people and you got to outrun
a bear, you really don't have to outrun the bear.
You just got to outrun the guy next to you.
Tell all your kids, all your young people out there,
you just have to outrun the ones next to you.
And it doesn't sound like and they don't sound very fast,
So I think you're going to beat them if you
if you're ready to go.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, it's really interesting. But like you know, Greg and
I are big supporters. We have both worked from early ages. Yes,
you know, I was fortunate that my dad had a
business so I didn't have to go look for a job.
It's kind of required. You want to eat in this house,
you work for your father. That was kind of the
message that we got.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
But the importance of teaching your kids how to work,
it is so important, and how to interact with people,
how to make a conversation.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
With people, I think, you know, I think obviously book
smarts are important, you know, high IQ, that's great. Emotional
intelligence is very important. Yeah, I think it's the X factor.
I don't know that we give it as much attention
as we should.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
No, we don't.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
All right, when we come back, the name of the
book is the Butler or Butler simply put that way.
The attempted assassination of Donald Trump we'll talk with this author.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Coming up next.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Sunday marks a one year anniversary of the attempted assassination
of Donald Trump July thirteenth, and Butler pa story today
that the Secret Service agent from the President's Protective Detail
has been suspended. Six other agents have also been given
suspensions because of what happened and their failure to put
to protect the at that time presidential candidate Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
So is it that they are now or they were
at the time spend without pay too. It was a
suspension without pay, but they didn't fire them. The narrative
was we're not going to fire our way out of
getting the Secret Service better. But they did suspend them
without pay. They gave them basically office jobs. It became
pencil pushers when they came back.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I think this happened after, but we just didn't know
what the accountability was.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
You know what's so funny about this. This was just
a few days before the Republican National Convention. Yes, and
you and I were there. I remember seeing Trump come
out and he had the big old bandage on his ear.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yes. Yeah, what a time. I mean.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
So, one of the questions that Selena was going to
ask was about what if, because they'd already had the
debate and went really bad for Biden, what if he
drops out? What would you change about your campaign if
you have to run against Kamala Harris. That was one
of the questions that was never asked because of what happened.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Well, speaking of Selena Zido, she's got a brand new
book out. It's called Butler, Greg, you listened to part
of it today. It is the untold story of the
near assassination of Donald Trump and the fight for America Hartland. Now,
Greg and I had a chance to talk with Selena
earlier today. We want to play a portion of that interview.
I had a great conversation, but we started off. I
started off by asking her this question. A lot of

(56:10):
people want to know why. First of all, the why
of the shooter? Why did this kid try and take
out Donald Trump? Okay, but how about other questions? Are
there other questions questions that haven't been answered yet? And
which one she thinks is the most important?

Speaker 8 (56:24):
I think there needs to be more accountability from the
decision makers in DC with the Secret Service. You know,
the director quickly resigned. I don't know a few days
after the shooting or maybe a week later. And and
you know, one of the things enduring things that that

(56:47):
I remember so much after nine to eleven was the
belief that that what led to that all those vulnerabilities
was that are all of our law enforcement, you know, FBI,
Secret Service, CIA, we're not communicating with each other. So
why we created homeland security? And so it's just shocking

(57:10):
to me that twenty five years later, or almost twenty
three years later, we had a secret service making a
decision to not be coordinated with local law enforcement, who,
by the way, know that farm field like the back
of their hands. Half of them grew up, you know,
as kids on that farmland, and so why wouldn't you

(57:31):
be communicating with them? These are the people that had
the intuition where things would stand out to them that
wouldn't normally normally maybe stand up to someone that wasn't
from around there. And so I think those are the
questions that really need to be addressed.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
You know, I listened to the audiobook and I listened
to the first part and you just jump right in
into that very moment of the assassination attempt, and I
have to tell you, it started to make me upset.
I started to feel tearful listening to it. It sounds traumatic.
My question is I watched this on TV all all
the way out here in Utah, and I and the

(58:07):
sound and then seeing the president grab his ear. That
didn't look like a bullet or sound like a bullet
to me, because you would do more worse than just
grab your ear if it was a bullet. So I
was so confused in those moments. And my question to
you is it didn't sound like a firework you mentioned
in the book, But was it surreal? Did you know
what was happening? I mean, did you know you were

(58:28):
being fired upon?

Speaker 11 (58:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (58:30):
Immediately. I'm a gun owner. I know exactly what those
sounds sound sound like. I know how the velocity in
the air changes. I you know, I knew exactly what
was happening when the moment that it happened.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
So, Lenda, you were only a few feet away from
him when the shots started. What happened to you?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Can you tell us what happened at that moment and
what you experienced there.

Speaker 8 (58:55):
So the President did two things that he never does.
He puts a chart down. He put the chart down
on that side, as opposed to the other side. And
if he ever has a chart, it's at the end
of the rally, and it's always on to his left flank.
This one was to his right, and he puts the
chart down and then he turns his head. The President

(59:17):
never turns his head away from the crowd. Is a
very transactional relationship between the crowd and himself. He feeds
off of them, they feed off of him, and so
for him to make that decision to turn was really
stunning to me. It happened at the same time where
I hear the four shots and I stay standing. I

(59:39):
have my recorder on, although I'm not remembering that my
recorder is on at that moment, and I understood it
that moment that there was a reason and a purpose
why I was there and why I was so close,
why I had just talked to him seven minutes earlier,
and I understood I had an obligation to tell the story,

(01:00:00):
and so I didn't duck. There's four more shots that
come out. I don't duck then either. It's not until
Michelle Picard, the third, a campaign advancement for the president,
literally takes me to the ground and knocks me to
the ground and hovers over me to protect me that

(01:00:24):
that I'm not still standing, but I still continue to work.
I understand this is this is something big, uh and
and this is something that that is historic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So Selena, there's I think that there's been. I'm a
recovering public servant. I was one of the first state
speakers of any state, speaker of the House of any
state to endorse Trump back in sixteen. Grew up in
Southwest Pennsylvania, spent a lot of time my nephew graduated,
played football for Butler High School, spent a lot of
time there. So I have these unique connections to that

(01:00:58):
that day, but also President Trump, his campaigns and his presidency.
I feel like I've observed a difference in President Trump
since that day in Butler. Uh just I just I
just do. My question to you is in Southwest Pennsylvania
has his has Cranberry Township, his Slippery Rock Pennsylvania has,
Butler has has Westmoreland County has has Has the community

(01:01:22):
changed it all from a moment like you lived through
last year.

Speaker 8 (01:01:26):
If if it's changed at all, it's certainly not in
a negative way. You know this, this has had an
almost an aspirational moment right where people feel that they
were part of something bigger than self and President Trump
the next day. People will find in the book that

(01:01:47):
he didn't call me once. He called me seven times.
We have some very profound conversations about God, about purpose
and why he was saved, and that he believed that
he had purpose. He was saved for a reason. You know,
when he made that decision to say fight, fight, fight,

(01:02:09):
that was a vain a decision born of vanity. And
he tells me this. I mean, he doesn't say it
that way, but he tells me. He said, you know,
in that moment, Selena, I'm not Donald Trump. I am
representing the country. I am a former president. I might
be president again. The symbol of this country is never faltering,

(01:02:33):
is a grit and exceptionalism. And I knew it was
very important to express that in such a horrific moment.
And I knew that would have an impact on the crowd.
If I'm carried off without my shoes on, if I'm
not showing resilience, and I knew that would have an

(01:02:53):
impact on the people in the country that are watching this.
I had an obligation to the country to project strength,
and I think that purpose and that love of country,
whether you agree with his policies or his comportment, has

(01:03:13):
certainly been evident ever since he won in November.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
The name of the book is Butler, The Story Behind
the Attempted Assassination of Donald Trump. We're talking with Selena Zito,
national political and culture reporter with the Washington Examiner. She
travels the back roads of America to find out what's
going on. Well, when we come back, as she mentioned,
the day after the shooting, she got number. I got
a number of phone calls from Donald Trump. We'll find

(01:03:40):
out what those calls are all about coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine knrs. Let's continue now with the conversation
Greg and I had earlier today with a national political
and culture reporter, Selena Zito, who travels the back roads
of America to really kind of check the pulse of America.
She's usually spot on. She was just a few feet

(01:04:03):
away from President Trump when a young man tried to
take his life and almost succeeded. He came very very close,
and Selena has not written a brand new book on it,
called Butler, The Trump Assassination attempt, and we had a
chance to talk to her earlier today. She revealed during
the last break, if you didn't hear this, the day after,

(01:04:24):
Donald Trump called Selena seven times, and we asked Selena
if she was surprised that Donald Trump was on the
phone to begin with.

Speaker 8 (01:04:31):
It was really funny. He calls me and he says, Selena,
this is President Donald Trump, and I'm like, of course
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
No one else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Has he stuck that first name in there? So confused?

Speaker 8 (01:04:46):
And then he says, he said, Selena, are you okay?
Is your daughter okay? My daughter's a photojournalist and she
was with me and her husband was with us as well,
and so he said, is Shamton okay? Is Michael okay?
And she I'm really sorry we didn't get to do
that interview. And I did something that my parents are
not going to be happy with. I swore like a

(01:05:06):
truck driver, and I said, I believe in kidding me, sir,
you've just been shot. I'm not worried about an interview.
And I often wonder since that day, because he would
call me seven more times, and people will read how
profound those conversations are. I often wonder if in those moments,

(01:05:28):
had I pushed him right, had I turned my reporter
hat on and not given him the space that he needed,
that that I wouldn't have. He wouldn't have been able
to talk about it with someone who had been there,
and he wouldn't have been able to work it out

(01:05:49):
in the way that he did in those moments.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
So one of the things I go back to that
moment and trying to get my head around what I'm seeing,
and I'm trying to observe. I'm trying to understand what
had happened. One of the and I have people that
are calling me and we're talking about this as we're
watching the television, and one of my observations is, it's
not a gun, because I've never seen a crowd stand
around and watch if there's guns being fired. People are ducking,

(01:06:15):
people are screaming, people are running. None of that is
going on right now. So I don't think it's a gun.
I think it's a it's shrapnel or something something fireworks,
something came up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
But why did people not move. It's so atypical.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
It's not the way when there's a shooter and a crowd,
you don't see what you saw in that moment ever
happen like that or I haven't. Why why did people
stay there? Why did people cheer? And why did why
did that happen?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
In your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Well, Paul, and part.

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
Was because he how he handled it, you know, making
that decision to stand up. And part, I don't think
a lot of people understand, you know, not everyone knows
what gunfire sounds like. Yes, And and I could hear
people saying, why is someone doing fireworks? And so there's

(01:07:05):
a lot of people that just don't know that sound right.
And then they but they do see him go down.
But there's just something about him that emotes strengths that
people were encouraging him. They were shouting USA. And because

(01:07:26):
he made the decision about saying fight, fight, fight, they
they I mean, the temperature changed immediately in that place
when he did that. Everyone was very calm. Everybody left
very quietly. They were stuck for two hours in that
parking lot and not letting anybody else out. People were
hugging each other, they were holding each other, It was

(01:07:49):
sharing water, food. It was a very beautiful moment, to
be honest, And I has a lot to do with
the decision that he made in that moment, se.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Lena, what have you learned about the the attempted assessin
Thomas Crooks that we have We may not know about him.
I know you you're right about him as well. Yeah,
I heard you talk with Glenn Beck about him the
other day. Maybe the reason why he did this? What
should the public know about this guy?

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
We still don't know a lot about this guy. He's
unlike young people of his age. He left no digital footprint.
He wasn't online, right, He didn't have a blog, he
didn't go on social media. He's not someone that left
him manifest. And he was a very introverted young man,

(01:08:37):
and apparently he had his mental health had decayed in
the final six months before he did the shooting. He
wasn't particularly ideological. He had googled both President Trump and
Biden and how how how far away was Lee Harvey
Harvey Well Osweald when he shot JFK. But that's that,

(01:09:01):
you know, he didn't leave much of us. He didn't
leave any bread crumbs for us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
So I heard you mentioned to Glenn the other day.
One possible theory could be as simple as he was
out to prove himself that he should have been on
the school's rifle team. Is that Is that true?

Speaker 8 (01:09:19):
So a couple of his classmates were interviewed in a
couple of days after after the shooting, and then he
had tried out for the rifle team and apparently had
done so poorly that even the instructor sort of laughed
him off, right, like, you can't be on this team.
And it was done in a way that was public

(01:09:41):
to a few people, and I think he felt very
humiliated about that. And you know, you can speculate that. Look,
it could be as simple as he wanted to show
everyone he could shoot. You know, screw over everyone, I'm
gonna show them up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Cut Selene, my final question the senec He says there's
no breadcrumbs, but maybe there were. I mean, the fact
that we don't know a single thing about this young man.
Is it because he was that stealthy of a young man,
or is it his identity been completely erased so that
we don't have a deeper understanding. If that was the case,
why do you have any inclinations of those scenarios. Has

(01:10:21):
it been erased or we just don't. He just didn't
have anything well in terms.

Speaker 8 (01:10:25):
Of like interaction with people, there was very little like
that was evident after talking to people in the community.
This was a young man that did not engage, that
was very very quiet, didn't talk to people, didn't have
many friends, And it is possible, it's not typical, but

(01:10:46):
it's possible that he conducted his online life which in
the same way he conducted his personal life, and that
was to not engage. And so that's where we are
right now. I think there's there's more being downe looking
into him as this new administration has taken over. But
I also think it's a painstaking process. If there's any

(01:11:09):
there there, I suspect we will find out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Seleno Zitito joining Greg and I on our any our
Newsmaker line talking about our brand new book Butler. We
didn't get into this, Greg, but I think she has
mentioned this in the book. Or there's an interesting coincidence
between Donald Trump and George Washington when it comes to
Butler Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Is that right? What's right? Butler?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
So George Washington was shot at by Butler, Yes, and narrowly,
narrowly missed him, which would have changed the course of history.
Obviously it was it was, I don't I think it
was before he was president, but it was he.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Was during the Revolutionary War.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I think it was before that. I think he was.
I think he was a British soldier at the time.
But he narrowly, narrowly missed a shot. I think it
was an Indian that shot at him, and but again
within an inch or so. If it hit him, he
would obviously have changed the course of history. So same place,
same location, Butler, Pennsylvania. But but yeah, George Washington and

(01:12:06):
then Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Well, all right, more coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
It's a quiet town too. It's not like, you know,
it's like Chicago. You know, I don't know what's going
on in that town. Having two of those, yeah, all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Right, more coming up the Rod and Greg Show, Talk
Radio one oh five nine Knaus right out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
The gate and then she goes back and even well
she didn't even go back that farsh. Then she talks
about how she's trying to get ready to go, like
get ready for the whole day, and it's a humid day,
it's a hot day.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
How do you wear enough?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
How do you wear something nice enough to be in
the company of the President of the United States, but
cool enough that you're not everything you're wearing doesn't drench you.
And she said, well, we suffered over this, and we
picked something that we were drenched within the first thirty
minutes of being there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And apparently she was quickly identified because of the colorful
cowboy boots that she wears. Yeah, so they knew who
it was, right, Oh, they're Selena. She's got her boots on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
In the book, she describes it when the Secret Service
agent through his body over her and she's and she
has her daughter and her her son in law under her,
so there's like three of his The secret Service agent's
knee is just digging into her calf. It hurts. She's like,
I think it's gonna be a giant bruise here off.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
And and what the Secret Service agent told her is
that we do not know if there are other gunmen
out there. We don't know, so we're not you're not moving.
We're not moving till we But the president they had
already moved. They they waited till he was down. They
got they said, the shoot her down, and then they
huddled and moved him. And that's when he stood to
the crowd and said fight, fight, fight, And then they

(01:13:37):
got him in the suburban. But the rest of the
people that were there, there's they weren't. They were keeping
everyone still because they didn't know. They still didn't have
their head around what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Well, and we were talking. There was such a failure there,
and I think Selena pointed this out. They never consulted
local law enforcement. No, they never did. And like she said,
they weren't even on the same radio. She said, they
know this field better than anybody else, you know. And
for the Secret Service to say, well, the pitch of
the roof, we couldn't see that. Why didn't they have

(01:14:07):
someone on that roof to begin with?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It's infuriating to think that they didn't have anybody on
that roof and that pitch when they said that, and
then you look at the pitch of that that roof
doesn't have It's not an a frame, it's a It
barely had a pitch, you could all. It had a
pitch just steep enough that a lunatic can climb up
the one side without you seeing him till he till
he gets to the top and then and then can shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
And I just cannot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
I look at that, and I the cynic in me says,
how can you be that incompetent. It's almost like a
blind eye. It's almost like, I don't know, I don't
want to I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but the
but the negligence or just to allow that to happen
to the degree it did, it's hard to believe that
that's just incompetence because it's so bad that kids walking

(01:14:50):
around everybody everywhere. There were people that saw him and
they were yelling, hey, this guy, he's here crawling up
here and they're yelling at them, and they're what, huh,
who I mean, come on?

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
The President and Millennia will be in Texas tomorrow. Sunday
is the one year anniversary. I wonder, yeah, if they're
going to remember this or what I have heard of
any plans about them and remembering this or what they're
going to do. But be interesting to see what he
does on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
You know what, I bet you there's going to be
a trip back to Butler. I'll bet you he's back
there once before. I'll bet you around that time. I
don't know when, I have no inside information. I'm just
saying I would bet that that would be an important
benchmark for him to come back a year later, So
I I think if they're if he I think he's
a smart, niece, savvy, and he loves the people and

(01:15:40):
he has a relationship with American people that I think
is so unique. I think coming back to Butler a
year later or around that time without advertising it. So
the next lunatic, doesn't you know traverse the next you
know low pitch?

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
You know so?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
But I bet you I wouldn't be surprised to see
a return trip.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Ye. Well, he'll do what he wants to do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I was listening the other day there is a podcast
in the New York Post and they're interviewing Susie Wilds,
who is his chief of staff. And I haven't listened
to the whole thing, but I lit's to a portion
of it. She says something interesting. Asked her about her
role as chief of staff. She says, the one thing
I know, I do not manage Donald Trump. I manage

(01:16:20):
his staff. Oh interesting, she said, nobody can manage Donald Trump.
And what I understood and got to know him, you
manage yourself, all manage the rest of the place. And
she says, that's how we do my job.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
And what a contrast. Remember John Kelly in the first
time tried to do it, tell him what to do. Yeah,
there are so many people that there was a lot
of people that could not do that job. And you
never hear about her, And that means you're doing your
job well when you're not becoming the subject of the story.
She's doing a phenomenal job whole, that whole, that old
White House Cabinet members and all they're just doing, I think,

(01:16:56):
such a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
And she also talked two things where she talked about undercentives.
Apparently she had quite a spat with Dessantas. Yes, but
they've apparently they've kissed and made up, so things are cool.
She also speaks very very highly of Marco Rubil Oh good. Yeah,
she says he's doing a stellar.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Of a job.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
And you know, she's from Florida, so that's a he's
a Florida guys, So they and in Florida Republican politics,
they do know each other really well. I mean, it's
a it's a it's a close knit group in that state.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Didn't know that all right, More coming up final segment
of the Rodd and Greg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine j n RS my hearing.
Senators and Matt Dearien join us on The Rotten Greg
Show today on Center Stage. Matt, what about and when
it just for your pure entertainment, we have another tidbit
of expertise, wit and wisdom of Senator John Kennedy. It's

(01:17:48):
a great state of Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
I do not know how the man comes up with it,
but he is. There is no he has no equal.
Let's have a listen today.

Speaker 12 (01:17:56):
Look when we talk about that seashell on the sea
shore or messaging eighty six forty seven and now open
criminal investigations to the two men we're talking about now
Comy and Brennan.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
What do you have to say about that?

Speaker 11 (01:18:12):
Well, I know mister Comy and I know mister Brennan.
Neither one of them, in my opinion, should attempt more
than the six of the ten commanders. They're not very
nice people. They're not ethical people. I know people who

(01:18:32):
have worked with them closely, And if you talk to
people who've worked with them closely, those people will tell
you that they're about as popular as male pattern baldness.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I'm telling you he's gotta have a book or something.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
No, I think he just he's from Louisiana. He's just
a good old boy and he you know, he comes
up with these.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Crazy I could not say it better, just absolutely true.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Well, we've been on the show today, there's been more.
I have made it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
I've made a decision on my X page, you know,
at Citizen Hughes it's my great it's my my my
EX page that every time I see the violence breaking
out of people attacking federal ICE agents that I want
to I've been wanting to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I show it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
And we can't get used to it. We can't start to,
you know, to ignore the violence. We can't normalize it.
If you break the law, you are not a victim.
If you are enforcing the law, you're not an oppressor.
And we've just we can't get used to this, so
I push it. So while we've been here, h ICE
agents in California and Venture California invading one of these platforms. Yeah,

(01:19:45):
across the street from it, a violence has broken out.
It was first they were stopping and barricading the cars
and trying to stop. Now shots have been fired by
those that were protesting at the agents.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
There's a Blackhawk helicopter that's now arrived on scene.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Uh, And I've to I hope that that's all an
attempt to try and shame or raise the misery index
on ICE and our federal law enforcement. So they won't
do it anymore. And I hope they don't give into it.
I don't think Tom Homan is wired that way. I
don't think they're going to intimidate him away from this.
But it looks it's a spectacle. But the spectacle are
the people that are opting for political violence. And we

(01:20:21):
have got to keep the attention exactly where it should be,
and that is we don't accept political violence. They don't
get a pass on this. The person that fired that
gun better be arrested and put in jail for firing
at those officers, because you can see it on the video.
You see the guy from above, you see him shooting.
It's and it's this is every day. We talked about
the one in San Francisco yesterday. They're not stopping well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
And my argument is, Greg, on top of what you
were saying, is I think they're hoping that someone gets
injured or someone loses that protests one of the protesters,
because you know what's going to happen he'll instantly be
he or she will be hailed as a hero just
fighting for the right of people who are in this country.
And they the media will push it that way, saying,

(01:21:01):
look at these vicious Ice agents, look what they're doing
to America today. And you're right, the American people, and
hopefully we stand strong and say, yeah, you obey the law,
we aren't coming after right. But if you break the law,
if you're here illegally and commit a crime, you have
no right to be in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
We are going to find you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
We're going to track you down, and we're going to
get you out of the company a country. You're going
to Florida, Alligator Rochetras is where you're at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
And look in what they've said is that they look
for the most dangerous. But if they're in the company
of other people that have broken the lawn and are
here illegally, they're getting deported too. I think eighty percent
of the people that they're deporting are have criminal records
and violent, gang, gang related all those things. But there's
twenty percent that are with them. Yes, that might not
be papered up as a criminals, but if they're there

(01:21:50):
and they're found to be here illegally they're going to
and the American people support this, but these this violence
that's going on is meant to change the American people's minds,
uh and and make the federal law enforcement the bad
guys in this in this effort, and they're not. If
you've broken the law, you are not a victim.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
I was gonna say, so, you're a bad guy for
enforcing the law. Yeah, that's what I'm trying. That's what
they're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
You're an oppressor because you're because you're enforcing federal law.
I mean, lawlessness is not a good thing. Lawlessness does
not promote a productive society. Lawlessness can't be what we're
all aspiring towards. And that's what these that's what these
violent protests and these in them trying to stop these officers.
That is lawlessness through and through what they're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Can't have it all? Right, That does it for us? Tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Head off, shoulders back man, God bless you and your family.
Thanks for joining us tonight. We'll be back. But thank
Roddin Greg. It's Friday tomorrow. Jackie Kelly is coming down next.
Stay tuned

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