The Rod and Greg Show: Schools-Educating for Citizenship; The True Party of Oligarchy; Biden Decline

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank Rod and Greg.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's Friday.

Speaker 1 (00:02):
We do our best to bring you a Friday at
least once a week. We want you to have a Friday.
We think it's we think it's one of those afternoons
that you're entitled to, and we do our best and it's.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A gorgeous to bring it to you. You got out
hit the links again today.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm trying. It's getting it's not getting.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Better out there on the golf course. By this it is.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I think it's reps, man, I need it's it's actually
motivating me. I got to get out there, get the
reps in. I gotta get I gotta get that swing back.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
What are you laughing, because I've seen you golf. Well,
we played golf the other day and we were both
really really.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Bad and it didn't get and I went to my
happy place, my favorite course, and then I thought, okay,
this is right, this is might come back. This is
where this place actually, this is this is my happy place.
I'm talking in the golf in the golf recreate recreational world.
That's my I have a have a happy place there
where I can hit Usually well, I played as bad
as we played and that's like that is depressing.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, it's just the start of the season. You have,
you have a week.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
We have the Masters to watch this week.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
We do we do this so make us feel even worse?
How do they do that and we can't. It's great
to be with you. We've got a lot to cover today.
We're going to talk about education. We're going to talk
about the Party of Oligarchy. And I still I think
Bernie and AOC are going to be here this weekend,
and I still think we should show up with bottles
of shampoo.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
You know, I'm telling you, we we get that young
man Shirley. What's his name, Nick Shirley.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Nick Shirley. He might be I bet he'll be there.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
He's going to be our correspondent.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
If he's there, we'll have to get him on.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Get him. We should get him to get We should
give him a rod and Greg hat that'll that don't
make him meet that.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I would tick everybody off. Oh I would love that.
We'll talk about that. We've got a lot of things
to get you today. But as we begin the show,
we first of all want to give a shout out
to Minkey Cotur and Sandy Henry. Do you know what
Sandy did a couple of days ago. What she donated
three million dollars to Inner Mountain Healthcare for a center
designed for young children dealing with autism. Wow, that, I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
That is very general.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I don't know how many years ago Sandy started in
the out of the trunk of her car. I mean
she'd go to parking lots and sell blankets out of
the trunk of her car. And look at today. She's
got centers all over and now she's done her generosity.
She is one of the most generous people you'll see.
But's million dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Paying it back. She's giving back to.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
The right way to start. That's a great, great way.
So we want to give a shout out to Sandy today.
Just make us feel good.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Makes me feel good?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
All right? Now? Do you have a phobia?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Kind of I think it's actually I don't think I
have a phobia. I think anyone who doesn't share my
feeling about this particular thing, all of you are crazy. Okay,
that's I don't think. I think I'm on the right
side of this issue. If you don't agree with me,
I think you've got the I don't know if it's
a phobia, but I think you've got the problem. I
don't like jumping off high things. I don't have a
fear of heights.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I jumping off them.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
So if you're like pounds big cliff you jump in
the water. Isn't going to happen with me?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You won't do it.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
No, I don't care how. I don't like throwing. I
don't like the feeling of my body in free fall.
It's I don't like the feeling of it. There's nothing,
there's nothing. I'm not an adrenaline junkie where I want
to hurl my body off of anything high. I don't
want to do it the so called high dive, which
isn't all that high, but it's a high dive, not
going You wouldn't do it now. I've done it as

(03:24):
a kid on an under extreme peer pressure. But now
that I'm a grown man, I'm just sticking with my
instincts here. I don't want to jump off anything high.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I have a couple of them. I think I have
a fear of going down steps. That's what is that
a phobia?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah? Well that have you always had that fear?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, it's developed over the as I've gotten older.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I think that's just called getting old. I don't think
that's a phobia. I think you're just an old geezer.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I think it's I have is what I would call
a feather phobia. I do not like birds.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You don't like birds?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Now I bring this up to well, I bring this
up today because you know who Peter Doucey is, Yes
correspondent or Fox News White House correspondent. He was on
Fox and Friends this morning. Huh, guess what happened to
him during his live shot? A bird landed on his head.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Oh that's actually kind of cool. I thought you were
going to say he got no air mail. I thought
they made dropped.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
A bird actually landed on his head. It's surprised to me, Sugar,
and the bird came back and died bombed him for
a second time.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I always thought funny. I would have a heart.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Attack, so I thought maybe they You know you can
get bird droppings.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
That would had that to no. But I had a
big splatter once right on my shoulder.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Makes me laugh when it happens around it. But I
always enjoyed. I always appreciate the bird's effort when I've
seen it, but it hasn't happened to me.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
But if that had happened to me, I would have
had a heart attack right down there.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's so funny. So you have a phobia about birds, So.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Birds and going downstairs.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I'm not the age well that is, that's just you
being an old geezer. That's old geezer itis the stairs.
I mean here, you're looking for the elevator everywhere. Now,
I'll get you a walker. That'll make you feel better.
But I do think that that if you see a
bird getting aggressive with someone like that, that bird probably
has some eggs around, Yes, And that's where you see

(05:13):
birds get a little aggressive.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
We had one out in the parking lot in front
of this building a couple of years ago, and it
was a It wasn't a little bird. It was a
pretty good sized bird, but obviously there was a nest
somewhere around there. And me and Abby and e Ray
would walk out to go home at night or to
arrive at work during the day and we get that
bird would dive.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Bombas Yes, then that that bird out of that was
a mama bird. She had a nest and you were
she thought you were trying to message.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
And I was so afraid of that. Okay, you know
what I did. I parked behind the building so the
bird couldn't attack me.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
You're funny, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Now, my wife, you want to hear a really wacky
story about feather phobias. You ready for this. My wife
and I were golfing several years ago, okay, and I
can't remember where. Was somewhere up in Ogden, I think
the Ogden area, and I had hit an errant ball
that went out into the field, right, and so I
decided to go get it. Well, you're ready for this.

(06:09):
All of a sudden, I was being attacked by a starling.
Now starlings aren't very big, but right, but it was
die bombing and they will do that, right, right, So
I duck and I'm hiding away and I'm running to
the golf cart to get out of the way.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yes, we get up to the clubhouse and there are
the guys in the clubhouse just laughing their fanny that's
seeing me avoid and attacked by a sterling.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
That's that's a great story. Thank you for sharing. I
think that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I have one on you, but I will tell you.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I weren't even supposed to say that. No, I'm not
going to share it under the strictest confidence. I gave
you that story, I am.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I haven't brought it up.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, but you referenced it.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Nobody knows what it is.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You are such a nark.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
But that's my phobia. So I feel sorry today for
Peter Doocy. I'm not doing a live'sous head.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm gonna warn you right now. We got this this
place for some reason. Lot of geese around here, Okay,
the geese from this is there, don't I'm telling you
I've been I've walked out there sometimes and they're like
a gang. They're all just they're big too. They kind
of look at the eyeballs.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
You ever run into a mad goose.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm just saying they'll come after you. Yeah, I'm just
warning you that if you've got to fear a phobia
about birds, those one. Those those geese are big and
if they've got some eggs, you getting near them, yeah,
they might start running after you.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
When I walk out there a lot of them out there,
I'm a little skittish.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, well they are a little weird. They're kind of
a marauding gang. Those those geese. They walk in a
pack and they kind of they think they own the
place around here. I've noticed that the geese around this
building have a bit of an edge. They think it's
their building, it's their turf. It's like a bloods and
crypt kind of fight.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
We're the we're one gang. They're the other gang, and
they're giving us the eyeballs when we walk out there.
I'm not afraid of birds, but those birds, they they
want you to know that you're on their turf.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I have I have a theory as to where my
phobia came from. Where when I I had one, not
the stare one that's age you claim.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes, birds.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
When I was a little guy, I had an aunt
and an uncle on my father's side. Aunt Stella loved her.
We shared a birthday as a matter of fact, we're
both born in June. But yes, thank you, uh me
and Paul McCartney. But they had a big they have
a big dairy farm, and they had chickens. You see
where this is going. So I'm walking out as a
little kid and the chickens are coming up and pecking

(08:30):
at my legs. Yeah, and then years later I saw
the movie Birds. Well, that's where I thought you were
going to go to the Hitchcock movie.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you put these combinations together. Now you understand why
I have this? Yeah, no, you don't do you you
don't care. But you know we're gonna have a listener.
There's gonna be a listener someday. Who's gonna birds.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Birds are not scary at all. Birds they're awful now
now ostriches, that's the way. Ostriches are scary looking birds
and they like bigger than.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
We may have talked about this later on in the show.
Ask people they're weirdest phobia or.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Just what they're I actually want to know what phobia is.
We were trying to go through our minds, like what
is a phobia? Is that fear of heights? Fear of
what I care of something you can't control. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
See I can't control birds, so I I I'd like.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
To just know what what phobias exist that people have said,
I will not jump off something high. I won't do it.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
If that's what it. No, that's not a phobia. You're
just chicken.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
That not chicken.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yes you are.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
No.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
In the fight or flight world, I'm the fight, not
the flight. Like if I run, I get, I freak
myself out running away from I I feel more comfortable
fighting than running.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, that's because of your boxing.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I don't know what it's because of it. When I run.
Like when I was a kid and i'd be at
a friend's house and be dark and I cut through
the yards to get home, I would get I get
myself worked up, like there's someone out there or dog
out there. I start to run home, and all of
a sudden, it would just make me more scared, and
I just run faster and faster because I was freaked out.
If it's fight or flight, I take fight not flight.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know, we may have to talk about that in
the five o'clock covery.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Today we can.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Lighten things up. We've had a crazy Friday. We can
have some fun. I'd like to know people's weird phobias.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, and don't call say you have a phobia about tariffs,
because that's how you know. We we We've heard from
all everybody that has a phobia on tariffs. We've heard
from it. We've let them get it off their check.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, that's you're just on the wrong side of the aisle.
All right, We've got a lot to get to today.
Great to be with you on this. Thank Rod and Greg.
It's Friday. If you want to be a part of
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Speaker 1 (10:33):
Thank Rodd and Greg. It's Friday. Yes and Greg show
on you just doc radio one oh five nine can
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not be disappointed. Yeah, Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And I brought our cat a lot to get to today.
But let's talk about education. You know, you and I
were both supportive Greg of this bill. It was by
Sender Johnson, which was approved by lawmakers here a few
months ago, and it will require now in our call
legs and the universities here in the state of Utah's
I think this is an experimental project. I'll at Utah
State University, but they'll need to take a year on

(11:08):
American civics. I love it, which I think is a
terrific idea. It is well. Our next guest is talking
about that as well. He talks about why schools should
educate for citizenship and joining us on our Newsmaker line
is a Professor James Sholz. He is head of K
through twelve Education Reform at the Institute for Governance and
Civics at Florida State University. Professor, How are you and

(11:29):
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I'm doing well, It's great to be with you.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Why is this so important in your opinion?

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Well, we're talking about timeless truths. We're talking about what
it means to be an American. These are things that
we have to educate. We can't just hope that kids
are going to understand what it means to be an American.
They're not going to automatically understand why our founding principles
are important. You know, I think right now about free speech,
we're having tremendous debates in this country about free speech.

(11:58):
We need to know why does free speech of the matter,
What's why is it important? I think you guys probably
care about it, but the average citizen should have some
understanding of why our constitution protects free speech. And part
of what we're seeing education, and this is a piece
I wrote recently, is that we tend to put in
place other things in favor or over these important pieces

(12:21):
of information that students do. So instead of teaching about civics,
we think it's important to teach them about various job
training programs or or give them job training skills. You know,
about a decade ago, we were told that every kid
needed to learn how to code.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
It turns out you.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Don't need to learn how to code.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Most most coding jobs are going to replace be replaced
by AI. And that's the problem with making education about
narrow job training skills. And I want to be clear,
like I'm not saying we shouldn't prepare students for jobs.
We absolutely should do that. That's part of what schools
are about. But we can't let those narrow job training
skills drive out what's important, like understanding our nation's stuff principles.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You know, you're so right. I mean, I also think
that in our education system it's it's under you don't
know what you don't know? So how do you compare
your freedoms, your right of determination, anything that we have
and we take maybe take for granted in America that
around the world people don't have, or in America, in
human history people have not had. If you don't know
anything about it. I have a business partner and friend

(13:23):
that i've been We've been in business together thirty years.
He got his master's degree from Oxford, and I remember
this in my twenties when he told me I learned
how to learn. And unless you, he said, unless you
want to be an engineer, or unless there's some specific
job training skill that you're looking at, the real UH
task is to learn how to learn. And the way

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to do that is, as you said, in the classics.
It's in your history, it's in philosophy, it's these, in
the in these that type of education. So let me
ask you, how will that How will that be nimble
enough in an emerging workforce as we see things change
to not be too prescriptive, but maybe not be Are
we too broad if we just emphasize the classics in

(14:04):
our education system.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
I think it's the foundation. And I love how you
pointed it out. You highlighted your friend. It reminds me
of a quote that I put in my piece that
I wrote recently, or this. You know, former executive from
Facebook says you don't need to learn coding anymore, and
they asked him what he needs to learn? What we
need to learn, and he says philosophy, psychology, history, physics, english, writing. Right,

(14:28):
those are foundational skills that are going to transfer across jobs.
You know, in my piece, I highlighted the Founding women,
you know, Abigail Adams Phillis sweetly, you know, these these
women that we admire still today from the Founding era,
and I highlighted them for a reason. The education that
women received at the time wasn't really education. It was

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job trading skills. They were learning how to sew and
how to keep a house, and they were not what
we call educated. They knew that if you wanted to
be educated, you had to read, and you had to
get into those Founding documents. You had to get into
those classical texts, and by learning those you became educated.
And that's how you were able to participate and be influential,

(15:12):
be informed, participate in government. So again, we don't want
to neglect job training, but you have to give kids
a foundation. You have to teach them, as you said,
how to learn, and you do that with a foundation
in the important all the things that have been thought
and said that's important in the Western civilization.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Professor, are you surprised at all when you see people
go out and do a man on the street interviews
with just everyday Americans and they're asking them about the
three branches of government or the president, or the Constitution
or the Declaration of Independence and they know nothing. I mean,
they couldn't get it right if you paid them. Does
that surprise you at all?

Speaker 6 (15:52):
You know?

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Unfortunately, I've been an education long enough that it doesn't
surprise me too much.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And I have four kids myself.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
I mean, the truth is we have to continually educate
people on these things.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
We can't do it one time in schools and hope
that it sticks. We have to really start to change
our culture. And this is what inspires me about what's
going on in your state, what's going on in Florida
and Ohio and other places where we're starting to see
Republicans put some emphasis behind this. You know, we've I
think Republicans conservatives have for too long, I think neglected

(16:27):
higher education in that they sort of gave it over
to the left and said.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
You do it and what you were out?

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, we have to fight for these spaces and we
have to put forward a vision of what we think
is an appropriate education. And I think that's what we're
talking about here, is an education that's grounded in the classics,
grounded in the truths of Western civilization that we've neglected
in our schools, and that's what we hope to bring back.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think Reg and I could both say amen to
that idea. Professor, thank you, thank you for joining us
this afternoon, and enjoy your weekend.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Thank you great to be with you.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
All right on our newsmaker line, that is Professor James V. Shoals.
He is head of K through twelve Education Reform at
Florida State University. All Right, more coming up on this
Friday edition of The Rod and Greg Show and Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n RS.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's a nice Friday. We like to bring you Fridays.
We think Fridays are worth having. So crazy weekend it's
but we still have our job to do, Rod, We
still have to, you know, drop the truth bombs and
let people know what's going on around here.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I think we're the only ones in the building today
other than having out there.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I think everybody's got spend.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
They're gone, they're gone, they're gone. Well, there's a huge
debate going on now. Of course this has come up
as a result of the election the Republican Party, the
Democratic Party, which is the party of the common everyday people.
We know, well there, yeah, we know, but you know,
the media doesn't believe it. Until now. There's some new
new research out that shows, boy, thanks have really changed.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Greg Our guy at CNN, and we don't have many
of them. Harry Enton, boy say he's crunching some numbers
and it's worth listening to have a listen.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
This to me is one of the most shocking pieces
of poll data that I truly truthfully have seen this year,
maybe in any prior year. Yes, really, because I want
you to take a look cares more about the needs
for people like you. You mentioned to Kate Paul and
we got a tie, even after this teriff war had
already started, split between Democrats and Republicans on how people
feel which party cares more for needs of people like you?

Speaker 8 (18:31):
And why is that so surprising?

Speaker 7 (18:33):
Because I want you to take a look at prior years.
Democrats always lead on this question back in twenty seventeen
before the twenty eighteen mid terms, thirteen point lead twenty
five a twenty three point lead for Democrats nineteen ninety four,
which was a big Republican year, a nineteen point lead
for Democrats, and now all of a sudden, a tie.
All of a sudden, the Democrats, who are the party
of the people no more?

Speaker 1 (18:54):
No more, We get a tie on.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
This question, on a question that has traditionally overwhelmingly been
a Democratic advantage. People for party, Which party cares more
for the needs of people like you?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's pretty amazing. Wow, it is change, things of change. Well,
we've been mentioning that we have heard reports that this
weekend big rally here in Salt Lake City, Bernie Sanders
should be here, and there are rumors that AOC is
going to show up. This is their oligarchy tour. What
aren't the Democrats the true party of oligarchy? Joining us
on our newsmaker line. He wrote about this week about

(19:28):
that this week and the Washington Examiner. Zachary Faria, Zachary,
how are you? And welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (19:35):
Good, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Zachary. What about this claim that you make in your
article that the Democrats really are the party of oligarchy,
not the Republicans or Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean so the whole argument has been really
centered on Elon Musk and a few other of these
tech executives, Mark Zuckerberg and others who are seen as
close to Trump. And really, if you just go back
through the last decade of how Democrats have run their party,
you can see that their oligarchs have been far more involved.
George Soros is the obvious one who basically went out

(20:07):
and in the New Yorkers words, bought bought a just
assistant to his liking. Jab Pritzker is the governor of Illinois.
He's the richest politician in the country. He has he
spent three hundred and twenty three million of his two
governor runs alone. This has been the case for Democrats
for the past decade, and so it's not a surprise
that voters are looking at this and looking at you

(20:28):
on us and deciding that Democrats are really the party
of oligarchy, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
And so it what's so bizarre about it is, I
I don't know, maybe it maybe people off top of
their head can't name all the billionaires that are also
social engineers, uh in this country on the Democrats side,
and you just you just rattled them off, and it's
it's it's George Soros. It can be JB. Pritzker, It
can be Bill Gates. I mean it can be I mean,

(20:54):
the list goes on, but then you get to that,
all of a sudden, all of them. Even in the
Democrat National Convention, they were ripping on billionaires when JD.
Pritzker is trying to walk on the stage to like
give a speech. Do people just not know that if
you were to count all the billionaires, the Democrats have them,
I think in far greater number than you see in

(21:14):
the Republican ranks. Is this just a stat that's unknown
to the general public.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
And part of the reason for that, and part of
what I covered in that piece was the Democratic Party
has this big dark money system where they funnel all
this money through different packs. The sources fund all these
different packs that spread out all this money, so they
don't look as involved as they really are compared to
someone like Elon Musky's out there doing rallies and piling
around with Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Zachary I, I always have found it interesting that they
would use the term oligarchy, because I don't think many
Americans know exactly what an oligarchy is. Do you agree
or disagree with that?

Speaker 8 (21:51):
Zachary yeah, I think that's probably a relic of twenty
sixteen era politics where Donald Trump Russia was always the
big tie and if anyone does think of anything when
they hear oligarchy, they usually think of Russia and Russian oligarks.
So that's what I imagine that stenslim and it's just
kind of a phase with the Democratic Party really hasn't

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ran out of since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
So I saw a picture of AOC she was going
to attend to one of these Bernie Sanders you know,
war on the Oligarchs of rallies or something, and she
was very comfortable and her first class seat on the
airplane and she was getting her I don't know, her
mimosa or something like that. Again, I go back, do
people that really fight against these oligarchies? They do they

(22:36):
get to fly first class all the time? What about
us regular people stuck in coach and the way in
the back? I mean, does how do you get to
be against oligarchs and get mimosas in first class? Is
that something worth bringing up to people? Will that show
the how fraudulent these so called rallies are?

Speaker 9 (22:54):
Yeah, I mean it starts with Bernie Sanders of course,
wailing about billionaires and billionaires, and then he goes one
of those three or four different houses. So this has
always missed in the case with Democrats, Kerry saying we
got to save the planet, Well whips around the country
in private jet.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
That's just how it goes.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Hey, let me ask you, Zachary. You see Sanders, you've
seen AOC out of the road. Is this the only
thing the Democratic Party has right now to get people
to come out and express their support for the Democratic ideas?
Is this the only thing they've got going right now?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (23:27):
I think so, And I think part of that is
what you saw from the twenty twenty four elections, where
the country shifted so far to the right. The only
enthusiastic Democrats that are really left are this Bernie AOC
wing who want to toss aside the rest of the
Democratic Party and follow the Bernie wing into the future.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
So they really can't. I mean, who else are they
going to try and get induced to vote. You can
talk about labor unions and blue collar workers, but those
are the kind of voters that have already shifted towards Trump.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Here's my question. In the era of Doge and USAID
and NGOs and nonprofits and all the money shuffling and
printing of money, federal money that's actually landed into some
of these organizations. To your point, where billionaires on the
left have been able to hide not only their contributions,
but have those contributions matched with federal money. Are we
entering an age where maybe we should be putting light

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on dark money general across the political spectrum. Should there
should there be a should there be super packed Should
there be a way to contribute without us knowing where
that money's coming from? Or the way to combat that
is we need to have a lot more transparency given
how much money is being shuffled around.

Speaker 8 (24:32):
What say you, I'm always really hesitant on the question
of should people be able to not donate anonymously because
usually what's going to happen there is liberal media and
Democrats are going to start messing out all of the
people that are donating to causes that they don't approve of,
and that's how you end up with the sort of
cancel culture style politics we've had for the past decade,

(24:54):
where Democrats try to shame people out of donating to
Republican causes and try to push them into the dark.
I think probably the way that we've gone about it
so far.

Speaker 11 (25:03):
There's a really good concervative reporting infrastructure, especially here as
the Washington Examiner and looking at a lot of these
darkmented groups and the money that's Soros and others spend,
and I think that's going to have to continue to
be the way forward for especially for conservative call.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, sure is Zachary, as always, thanks for joining us,
enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
Thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
All right on our newsmaker line. That's Zachary Faria. He
is the commentary editor at the Washington Examiner talking about
the Party of oligarchy.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
So I get what he's saying that, you know, if
you get people that contribute, they can get harassed by
the left. But how on earth are we going to
actually out these billionaires and the federal money that's going
into all these organizations if we don't have some transparency there.
I think my views on that are is it's starting
to change a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
So I want to under I want to help me
understand this.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
So if a Republican flies first class and orders their mimosa,
they're an oligarchy. If a Democrat, yeah, if a Democrat
flies first class, first class and has some mimosa, they're
what just regular people.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, you didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I didn't know. You got to get with the program.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, they get that. Those are rules for you and me,
not for them. I mean, that's that's that's.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
The most that's must have missed the memo. I didn't
know the difference between that. And We've got a lot
more to come on coming up in the five o'clock Cowery,
we may want to ask you to bear a little
bit of your soul with us today because we started
the show talking about our weird phobias.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yes, rights are weird of the mind.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, you're making fun of me because I'm old.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, one isn't a phobia. One is just a year old.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Years old, just like stairs stairs.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, in the seventh decade of my life, I've decided
it's stairs are scary. Well, they might be legitimately scary
for you. They might should they should be.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Thanks for pointing that I'm teasing you.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Don't look so wounded.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, there's a lot of talk about all these new
books that are coming out about Joe Biden and everything.
One of course, it's called Fight by Amy Arns and
Jonathan Allen. That seems to be the book that's getting
a lot of attention and drew attention today on Mark
Halbrin's Morning Meeting, he calls it two way the Morning
Meeting hosted by Alpern. But on that is Sean Spicer
and Dan Turantine, former MSNBC consultant. Well, there's a lot

(27:17):
of talk greg about Kamala and what her future will be.
She apparently claims she's not done yet.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
We're here, Yeah, here she is. She just doesn't know.
She hasn't got the memo.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, here's Sean Spicer and Turantine's take on Kamala coming back.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
If she ran for Dogcatcher, she'd lose.

Speaker 12 (27:35):
It is so bad when you start to read, how
horrible of a candidate she was, how the staff in fighting,
the inability to do I mean, I really don't care
what she runs for I have. I mean, her decision making,
her staffing are atrocious. So you know, go read and
again two other reporters writing this, not me.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
She couldn't run for anything and win.

Speaker 13 (28:00):
Shout out to Jonathan Allen and Amy because I read.
I read it this weekend too. Actually it's it's a
great book. I do not think she'll run for president.
I think if she runs for governor, it will not
be not nearly as easy as she thinks it will.
And I would, if I had to bet, I bet
she loses running for governor for the reason Sean.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Said, Boy, would that be a slap in the face
to her in California if she If she decides to
run for governor and she's not elected.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Well, that's what happened Richard Nixon. Remember he lost to
Kennedy and he ran for governor in California and.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Losst Yeah, and then he said he's coming back and
he came back.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, and that didn't go well for him either, even
years later. That's still then the happiest of endings. Now
did it very.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well for it at all? But we can only hope
the Kamalist stays around because she's a great copy.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
She is, Yeah, she was. She's the gift that keeps
on gifting.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
She is.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I mean, just that she can. We can put her
in the Senator John Kennedy's operation let them speak, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, sure we sure could. All right, another hour other
Rodic greg Well, two more hours coming up. But in
the five o'clock hour. We all put up the phones
to you on this, thank Rod and Gregg. It's get
your dialing fingers ready, boys and girls.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Should you give an update on the Masters if you like.
Justin Rose only went one one more under, so he's
at what minus.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Say, but Scheffler just bogied, so he's three.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah and uh. And the Shambo made a great charge.
He's he's actually in second place. But the Masters doesn't
cover him because he's in live golf. So you don't
even get to see the man. The man's eighteen. You
couldn't watch know that. I've got that, I've got court,
I've got everything to watch. The Bannon, this man, the
Shambo from the from the.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well, he's already in the he's in the car.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
But you can watch. Guy was crushing it today and
you can't watch it. The PA and the Masters are
are are censoring.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
To Shambo, mister conspirator. No, I'm telling you he's already
in the clubhouse. If you're watching earlier today there were
a lot of shots say him.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, I don't know what you're watching because it's not true.
They saw highlights. No, he saw highlights.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
He did.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
The man was not covered.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
He did interviews with CBS and ESPN about the round today,
so he's he's getting his coverage.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'm telling you just Shambo has been banned from the
Masters and it's broadcast so thus far. Now they're gonna
have a hard time doing it now these second coming
into Saturday, now they start to re align those teachings.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
If you had been watching, I've had it on the
studio most of the day, right, and he's gotten a
lot of coverage.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
You just like conspiracy antonia, you do. I think I
think X people on X agree with That's where I'm reading.
I was observing it, but then I saw my my
belief confirmed on one or two. Well one's very famous.
Lil Wayne agrees with me. Uh yeah, me and Little
Wayne are on the same page on us. We think

(30:49):
that we think the Shambo's getting getting ripped off. So sorry,
I digress.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
All right, now let's get into more serious topics.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yes, yeah, more serious topics. Phobias.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Our phobias?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Do you have them? So, okay, here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
No, we're looking for weird ones. Well, now, people I
have phobias. You know, we understand that we are making
fun of you, but we just want to understand it
by odd phobia that you would have.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
You keep saying that odd. I think a phobia by
it's a very nature, is is something out of the norm.
So I want to hear from our listeners eight eight
eight five seven zero eight zero one zero of what
phobia you may have. I just I just would like
to know what is. If it's like afraid of flying,
that one I can kind of figure out. But but
if you have a phobia, I would love to hear

(31:34):
you keep saying weird. I think all phobias are.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I consider mine weird. Would you would you say mine
is some?

Speaker 1 (31:40):
What's not a weird? Phobia? Flying?

Speaker 14 (31:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
What's not weird?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
What's not weird? I would say flying?

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
After that, what I would say clusterophobia? Okay, I would
say fear of heights. Now, you don't have a fear
of heights. You don't like jumping off the heights.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I don't like hurling myself off high things every now.
I don't care how welcoming of a reception I have
at the bottom of whatever I'm jumping from.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
The I would consider the phobia I have as being
weird because I have a feather birds.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, I have a bird or feathers. It's birds.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
It's birds, yeah, birds feathers, but it's birds. I get
legitary around them. Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yes? But I'm just saying, ladies, you know, if you
have a phobia, I just like to know what phobias
are out there.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, the common ones, but there are other ones too.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well yeah, I mean I guess they're common now that
you mentioned them. I mean, I guess claustrophobia are afraid
of heights or flights, not heights, but what's yeah, heights.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And claustrophobia being tight, being in tight spaces people have.
There are people who won't get on elevators because of claustrophobia. Huh,
don't look at me that way. That's that's the way
they are.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Is it okay? Well, I want to know. I really
I think this is a good Friday afternoon. We're finishing
up the week. We had a lot of heavy I mean,
I still got some things that you know, to talk
about with, you know, the heavy stuff. But really, I
I just want to know what what phobias are out there.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
We aren't going to make fun of you unless you
want us to.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I won't I know one not Rod says that, by
the way, but he always tricks me. He says, I'd
never make funny. Then I tell him my phobia and.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Have I shared with Stop. I'm not going say.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Okay, let's go to the calls. Let's go to a
favorite car listeners.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Hear a couple of things about you that I would
love to share with you.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
You know what, can we just move on?

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Well?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I have pledged not to.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Because you wouldn't know anything about me if you didn't
pledge it ahead of time.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I don't tell you unless you say this isn't radio material.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod, Like,
let's go to our brave listeners. See if they share
with us. There they're inner feelings, they're interferes this afternoon.
Is I just want to hear something. Let's go to
Centerville and talk to any andy. How are you welcome
to the Rod and Greg show?

Speaker 15 (33:59):
A guy, I'm I'm doing good today, loving the weather.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
How are you fantastic? Thank you?

Speaker 8 (34:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (34:08):
All right, Well, I thought i'd bring up a couple
of things I've been listening since four Uh, I wanted
to add a third category for fight or flight.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yes, I just.

Speaker 15 (34:17):
Collapse, like I can't handle being startled or something. I
just like fall to the ground. Maybe it's the third
category of play that when you're stopping.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And you're not alone, you know, and that is so interesting,
you should say that. I've seen these videos which I
think are hilarious where someone jumps out like in a
monster suit and scares. You don't know how many people
collapse when they get scared like that, when they and
it's the funniest thing.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Andy, has that happened to you? I mean, have you
collapsed when you've been startled?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (34:44):
Yeah, wow, I have a story. My husband, well, this
kind of plays into a fear too. So we bought
a brand new house in a neighborhood in Farmington and
the back portion of our of our backyard haven't been
developed yet, so it's still like a big farmer's. And
I grew up watching signs, so you know, like the
corn fills, Yeah, something in the cornfield. So I always

(35:08):
had like this issue of leaving the back porch light
on and double checking the doors, like making sure that
they're locked. Nobody's gonna come through the cornfield. So this
one night, I fell asleep while we were watching a
movie on the couch in the living room and my husband,
I guess, got a phone call while I was asleep
and went outside not to wake me up. Well, he
went out on their back porch in the dark and

(35:29):
turned off the light. Like so I that's like I
woke up and by myself. The movie's over, threading the credits,
and I think my husband was so mean to just
like leave me there. So I get up and I
faced my fear to like go lock the door on
the back porch facing the cornfield, and he jumped out
like wait, ton't lock it, and I just collapsed and

(35:52):
I just waited. Today I thought I could not have
defended myself under any circumstances. He scared me so bad. Well,
the question I have it was like all my fears combined.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
The question I have now, and he is he's still
your husband?

Speaker 16 (36:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Is this still where? Is this still working out for you?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Still working out for you?

Speaker 15 (36:09):
And I love him dearly, But even to this day
it's a little bit of a sensitive subject when we
bring up the Cornfield scare. And even of course he
didn't even mean to he's being courteous.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
He didn't want to wake you up. He went outside,
did talk on the phone. That is a great story,
but that that happens if you terrify someone, you should
see how many people just fall to the ground.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
There's another one of my weird foot I'm easily startled.
I don't like to be startled. When I watch a movie,
I do this. Yeah, if there's a scary part, I
put my hand over my eyes and kind of look
through the cracks.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
There's I like scary movies are suspenseful where it might
be a psycho. But if it gets into like devils
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Now I don't I don't watch those.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I don't like those.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I'm with you on that. Let's go to Victor and
Salt Leg. Victor, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Greg Show.

Speaker 14 (36:56):
Hi, thank you very much. I'm glad to get a
chance to talk you guys. I've been listening for a
while and and all that, and so I just I
really liked the show and guys get together and kay
around and I really I really like you guys. So
thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Thank you, thank you for saying that, do you have
a phobia you want to say, Victor.

Speaker 14 (37:14):
Well, okay, well yes, now you're gonna think I'm really weird.
But I have a hard time if I'm in cramped quarters.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Now that's why in a.

Speaker 14 (37:24):
Cramp quarter, I'm in a I'm and I and I
get tense, like if I'm sleeping and I'm and I
and I and I'm feeling like I'm you know, bundled up,
or I mean, I'm in and I. I just wake
up and I cannot get back to sleep, and I
have this phobia, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
You're not eat elevators.

Speaker 14 (37:50):
No, I don't mind elevators. I don't mind escalators. I
don't mind those kinds of things they just said. Sometimes
I didn't that. I feel like, oh, I can't go
to sleep like this, or I can't relax in a
place like this. I've got to get out in the open.
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's what I was looking for with our listeners. I
was looking for those those you know, different phobias.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
That I have a new phobia. What the Rod and
Greg phobia? What is that they cannot go a day
without listening to Rod and Greg?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
No one's actually volunteered that as a phobia, sir. No
one's told us that.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
Take.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
A couple of people just calling in have confirmed that.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
No, I think you're reading a little much an idea.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
All right, more, your call is coming out.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
If you're on the line, please hold We love this topic.
Please hold on. We'd love to hear fun phobia. All right,
more coming up here on the Rod and Greg Show.
Talking about phobia's fun today.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
It's been a crazy week, all kinds of that kind
ofmic news, so we thought we just have a little
fun talking about tariffs.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
We don't want to hear about phobia is about terroiffs.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
There's probably a Trump phobia.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I'm sure there's something out there. But we've had some
great callers and some real actually some really some of
these make a lot of sense, and some of these
are really entertaining. So I love it. If you'd like
to call and that comment eight eight eight five seven
zero eight zero one zero is the number to call.
And thank you. Let's go to our callers. Let's go
to Mark and ogden Mark. Thank you for holding. Welcome

(39:13):
to the Run and Greg Show. Do you have a phobia? Sir?

Speaker 17 (39:18):
Oh, it was a matter of picking one. First of all,
I've been listening to you for about fifteen months, and
it's taken me till today to get all of the
numbers of your telephone number because there are so many
aids and zeros. I think I've called China.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
About Sorry, maybe I have at.

Speaker 17 (39:39):
That's a phobia. My phobia is it's a little grizzly.
When I was six years old, my dad was stationed
in Spain and it's rats. I have a phobia brat. Yeah,
there was a a some events that took place that

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got to us kids where kids had gone to bed
with candy on their face or dirty faces, and parents
with brand new children, you know, crying. Parents don't want
to go in and stop them from crying. You know,
you got to let them. All of a sudden, the
baby cries and they went in and the crib was.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Covered in rats.

Speaker 17 (40:20):
And so from that time on, if a shudder squeaked,
it was a rat. And I worked on a farm,
and I don't know if you've ever worked on a
pig farm. Picked up where the pigs live and there's
there's rats everywhere. And you should see me with a

(40:41):
shovel and a rat.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I'm talking.

Speaker 17 (40:46):
I'm talking home run city when a rat.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
So was that like a was that like a like
a wives tale about the kids with the food still
on their face really happen? It was, Oh, yeah, that's terrifying.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
There was.

Speaker 17 (41:03):
There was a one of the airmen that my father
worked with had a brand new baby, and that was
the example. They were going to teach that baby to sleep,
and the baby got real quiet, and they went in.
The crib was covered. Then I'm talking sewer rats. Oh,
I'm talking like New York. New York has there are
size of cats.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, oh, Mark, thank you. I hate rats too. Who's
more afraid of rats or mice in your house? You
or your wife?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Christopher, sure she's more afraid or braver.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
No, she's afraid. And she's afraid of snakes. Which who
likes snakes? I don't know anyone that's like, Oh, I
can't wait to see somebody loves someone. Queen Bee can't
even watch it if there's a movie with snakes in it,
she can't even she can't even look at it, she
can't outstand, she can't even look at us. Let's go
to Marlow and Roy Marlow, thank you for holding and
welcome to Roddy show.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Do you have a phobia?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yes, I aphobe the simple plant sun in the desert
known as the cactus.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
No, that's just good sense. Well that's good sense.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Well I'll tell you. Well, what happened is I grew
up in Davis County. We have a nice big yard,
grass and all that. Well, well, uh, moved to Las
Vegas out of the desert, no grass, dirt. I guess
that's playing. And what happened. I fell down and fell
into a big plump of these cats. Oh you imagine

(42:33):
what happens. And every since then I can't go near it.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
I don't blame you, because I don't know how you
get out. If you fell into a big plant of that,
there'd be so many of those little needles.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
If any of you who are members of the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, and I think
it was Sunday afternoon session where one of the general
authorities told about, you know, a prankster and one to
be accepted by the kids. And he did something to
his dad, and he went to hide behind a bush
or hide so his father couldn't see him, and he
sat right on a.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Cactus that would hurt would be terrible.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
He told a great story on that. All right, let's
go back to the phones. Let's go to Mike and Draper. Mike,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 18 (43:18):
Hey, I'm great, Mike, hear me. Okay, I'm claustrophobic. But
I was the submarine mate with Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Now, I'll tell you what, Mike, that was a long
time ago. I sure do remember. That was the USS
Salt Lake City out of San Diego, and that that
was a long time ago. But Mike, if you are
afraid of if you're claustrophobic, boy, we were enclosed quarters
and that sub how did you survive?

Speaker 18 (43:53):
Well, you know, I thought it couldn't. I was real
nervous about it. But I made it through that. But
I thought that was really interesting that happened.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
It sure was. And I'm actually really thank you for calling.
Thank you for thanks for bringing back that memory. That
was a long long time ago. I mean, my be
I had dark beard back like there wasn't gray on No,
that was that. Oh my goodness, someone have been six
that's how long ago.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
You were in the legislature and they gave you because
well what.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
It is is because it was named the Salt Lakes
that that that's sub has since been decommissioned. But I
think there might be a new ship that's a Sallexi,
but it was be that sub hit. That submarine has
since been decommissioned by the Navy. But it was a
USS Salt Lake City. So they would have like a
good will tour where they would bring uh, public servants
and and business leaders people and and they you take
a day tour. You go and it would dive down

(44:44):
and and you met with the captain, you met the
crew that was on the on the submarine. It's a
it was a fascinating experience. But boy Mike said he
has claustrophobia. I'll tell you what it's it's tiny in
there's there's not a lot of no one's put this way.
Nobody's jumping rope. Okay, know what, there's no there's no
there's no jump ropes found in the submarine.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I would love to do that and one of the
more modern nuclear subs. I think doing that would be fascinating.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
It's it is amazing. One of the things that's really
cool is they go down so deep, so they give
you this big foam styrofoam cup and you put your
name on it and everything, and you put and they
put it in like a like a nylon bag, and
they leave it on the outside. They tether it to
the outside of the submarine, and then they go to
a mile down and then they come up and that
big styrofoam cup when it come out looks like a
shot class. The pressure of the water down takes that

(45:30):
styrofoam and makes it like an two inches tall if
it's it's anyway.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
It was a really amazing I would I think that'd
be a fascinating experience going going deep in and one
of the nuclear subs, one of them.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I don't know this one was a new cod but
this this sub was this it was a it was
a phenomenal experience. And and the crew incredibly nice. That
captain was a study the guy that you would hope
would be no did And we got to the top
and then they opened up the hatch and some of
us were able to you know, sit out and you know,
see outside, and No, it was it was a it

(46:04):
was a great, great experience. And I forgot all about that.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
See well, any experiences you have.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Wow, that was that was a lot of fun. Thank
you Mike for calling in.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
More of your calls coming up on your strange phobias
eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero
give us call. We'll get to more of your calls
on the Rotten Gregg Show. I think I'm safe to
predict now that we we shouldn't have any more.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
So now I would hope not with snow. I mean,
it's like, you know, we're not going to have a
you know, tornado. Okay, but I don't want fifties. I'm
mad that it's going to go back down to the fifties.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
We get to do.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Something about that.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
The nice thing is that they're now all the water
guys are saying, we've had a normal winter and we
have we have a good water supply.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So can we quit crying for more rain? Rain?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Can we always show rain?

Speaker 4 (46:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
We don't, you do. I'm done.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
We're living in a high desert.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
You know, if you like rain, go live, you know,
go to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I lived. We can't back because there was too much.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
You can't see the sun, that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
All right.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
If you're just joining us, Thank Rod and greg Is Friday.
This one we opened up the phones to you to
talk about whatever you want. But we're we're looking for
your strange phobias today.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I know, and I'm I'm love that that color might
call it because he took me right back to memory
lane with the with the submarine sub Yeah, anyway, loostrophobic.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
All right, let's go back to the phones, right.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Okay, let's go to Steve, who's in South Jordan. Steve,
thank you for holding, Thanks for joining us on the
Rod and Greg Show. Do you, sir, have a phobia?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
I do, and.

Speaker 19 (47:31):
It's that Greg won't run for governor again, Henderson as
the next governor and her lieutenant governor as the next
governor after that.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, that's it. That's that is it. That's I don't
know if that, Steve, I don't know if that's a phobia,
but that's a that's a at least at least for me.
Didre Henderson being governor is a pre scary scenario. I
would have a phobia about that. Yeah, so I.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Like, well, I hope he doesn't run because then I'd
lose my partner. And well, I'm not as much as
I like the guy.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I mean, no, I I love love love being a
public servant. I learned a lot, but I think that
shelf I think I know that shelf life has expired.
But really I wish, I wish well to those that
get in the ring and I are.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I admire people like you. A politician. You know, you
got to go out, you got to grovel for dollars.
Is that the hard most uncomfortable thing.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
And I'll tell you what the thing that I had
not experienced before because you know, I was on a
bit of a winning streak as a lawmaker. You know,
I was winning a lot of races. I didn't really
want to, yeah, exactly. So then when I ran for
governor and I lost, I felt so guilty. I felt
so bad that people had contributed in volunteer time and
we didn't win. I I did that was that was
easily the worst part of the whole thing. And you

(48:50):
feel like he let a lot of people down.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I mean, well, but you had a real challenge as
the other candidates did because you ran during COVID.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Well, that was like a bad James Bond movie. I
will say that. Telling me I have to go inside,
all I want to do is be around people in
groups and talking crowds and it's like you have to
be inside and talking to a screen like this is
this is just this is like it is. It's a
bad James Bond movie I got sucked into. But I'm
not making excuses. It was a you know, good field,
deep field, and I learned a lot. I'm glad I

(49:17):
did it still, but yeah, I was the part of
losing where you have so many people that were helping, volunteering, contributing,
and you don't get it done. Oh does that feel terrible?
That's the worst part.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
But do they come up and say to you, I
want my money back?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Thank goodness, no, because I'd be like, okay, just can
I get on a payment plan? I mean she oh good?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Well so yeah. But like I said, I do I
admire people who are willing to stick their their neck
out and say I'll raise money and I'll run for
a seat. And even even if it's just you know,
like a city council seat or a school board seat.
I mean, I I honor people who do that.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I got to tell you, I've seen I've worked with
a lot of public servants in different capacities, and I
sometimes think city council means get harder the government closer
that people doesn't get quieter. So you know, it doesn't
get me. It's hard. It's it's hard to be a
public servant sometimes.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I'm not a martyr.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I'm just saying that usually, given the diversity of opinions,
you're not making one hundred percent of anybody happy at
any given time. So you're pretty much in a situation
where somebody's not happy with you. All right, it's still
good public service. Important.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Let's go back to the phones. We're going to David
County and talk with Ron tonight here on the rod
In Greg Show. Ron, how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 16 (50:29):
I am well, thank you, Thank you gentlemen for taking
my call.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
You're welcome.

Speaker 19 (50:33):
So the topic topic was phobia.

Speaker 16 (50:37):
Yeah, yes, I have a pedro phobia. And earlier this
week you're talking about Idaho doing the firing squad for pedophiles. Yes,
in extreme circumstances. Yes, Well, the damage they do to
their victims are going to suffer their whole life. I
feel like a firing squad's way too easy.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Really wow?

Speaker 16 (50:58):
Yeah, Like I feel like they their bodies need to
be donated to science and let the doctors do whatever
they want.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Wow, Yeah, Ron, I'll tell you that's it. But you
know what I'm having a having a strong, strong dislike
for that is I would argue to be.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Well, and I'm with you. I mean, you know, they
are the lowest of low Our people are damage young children.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
It's scary times we live in right now.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I'm sure is sure is all right? More coming up
here on The Rodden Gregg Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Kate and are ass to thank Rond and Greg gets
Friday edition of the Rod and Gregg Show on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine. Can r s Yeah
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Speaker 20 (51:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Eray's not here today but rocking. He's he's so excited
wherever he is. He he loaded us up with all
the good bumper music to look at the weekends starting
get some charged up for the weekend. Yeah, everybody hyped up.
That's hype up music, man, That's that's walkout music.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
That is all right if you're just joining us out.
We're having a little bit of fun in this out.
We're talking to you about the phobia's, the weird folk
that you may have out there. I've shared with you.
I have a feather phobia. I don't know if there
is such a thing. It's more of a bird phobia.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Keep saying feather, but I think it's actually what the
feathers are attached to. Is this hard phobia?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
You have a phobia? You don't like. You accept heights,
but you don't like to jump off.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yes, I do not like to jump off of anything
high ever. And I used to get you know, do
the peer pressure and stuff. And you know how if
you do something once, you're like, oh, it's not that bad. No,
I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.
I don't want to jump off high things. I don't
want I don't care if it's water, it's deep, I
don't care if it's a.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Even if it's deep, what you fear you can't come
back up?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
No, I just don't like the feeling. It just feels counter.
I gotta I gotta how high self preservation instinct in me?
It's my body is just saying, you don't throw yourself
off high things. This is a bad combination.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
You just don't do it, but you do it if
you did it as a kid because of peer pressure.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yes, incredible amounts of peer pressure made me not want
to be the odd man out, so I would do it.
I never liked it. I never enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I grew up as a kid. I grew up at
upstate New York, k as you know, not far from
the Saint Lawrence Seaway. Yeah, yeah, okay, and there was
a quarry that they you know, got rock out to
build the seaway. Well they hit a spring or something
and it filled up with really ice cold water. But
the cliffs were very, very high, and as kids, we'd
go out there and jump off those cliffs. Now, the

(53:19):
problem is you'd go so far down you know if
your going to come back up.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of bridges, over rivers
and bodies of water. I'm not doing it. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
But you did it.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Not well, I did it. I've done it on occasion,
but I'm on the on the whole. I would I
would stay away from that, but yeah, no, I've done off.
And then when I moved to Utah, we got on
to Lake pal a bunch of guys, you know, camp
and hike and whatever, and there's some some dumb rock.
Some geniuses decided we should all hurl our buds off
of I don't even know why they. I don't even
know where the instinct comes from. Hey there's a high rock,

(53:53):
Hey there's some let's just go climb up there and
just run off. No, I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Do you know? I've never been to Lake Powell?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Never been to Lake Powell? What is row blown over
Lake Powell? And does work for Channel two and Chopper
in Chopper two or whatever they used to call it.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
But you go in the state longer than I have
by a lot. I can't believe you're not going down.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I've never been down, like a ride a passage.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
I don't think you. I don't think you're allowed to
live in a house boat.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I'm not going to pay for a house bowl.

Speaker 15 (54:21):
You don't have.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
You got to know pe, You got to know people
to have them.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, run with it. You have you run with see? Yeah, crowd,
I run with No.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
They were all the media big wigs. Yeah, you know
until you saw the light never been on Lake Powell.
You got to change that. You really?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Did you go down with your family or just a
bunch of guys, A bunch of guys, A bunch of guys.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Did you behave yourself of course, of course I did.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
All right.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Back to the phone. Back to the phones as we go.
Let's go to Sherry, who's in West Jordan tonight here
on the Rowden Greg Show. Sherry, how are you? Thanks
so much for joining us.

Speaker 21 (54:56):
I am doing great today. It's such a beautiful day.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
It is, it.

Speaker 21 (54:59):
Is, yes, But I would like to talk about I
had a goura phobia for seven years.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Is that the fear of leaving your home? Yes, Cherry
tell me, it.

Speaker 21 (55:15):
Will tell It was so bad that just talking about
it now, Oh, it just shatters me. But I'm better
now and I go places. There are certain places I
do not dare to go, but I'm doing really well.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
How did you work through that? Yes, if you don't
mind us asking that's too personal, Yeah, don't you don't
have to answer. But just curiosity. It's it's a phobia
that you had that it seems that you have been
able to overcome. Just curious what that took.

Speaker 21 (55:49):
It took so much my family. I had seven children,
so two of my children I wasn't able to have
in the hospital because I couldn't leave the house at
that time, so I had him at home. But through
my family, my kids, especially my husband. He is the

(56:10):
most patient person. But they decided they were going to
have me go to a doctor, which I couldn't leave
the house, so they were going to get an ambulance
to come and give me and if I did not
leave that house. And so anyway, my mother and everybody

(56:34):
they followed me in the car and they did everything
they could to get me to that hospital. And I
felt like God had my hands all the time. I
know he did. And then my doctor put me on medication,
and through that medication is my was my only I
tried everything. I tried everything.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Are you doing better?

Speaker 6 (56:56):
Share?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Are you doing better now?

Speaker 21 (56:59):
I'm doing good. I enjoyed everywhere. I've had a job
for twenty years, I haven't had that. Yes, I'm doing
so well.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
So well, Well, I'm so glad you called her and
shared that. I want. I'm sure that we have listeners
who might be going through things like that, and it's
so good to hear.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
We are trying to make fun of anything. We just
you know, that's a good story. That's a success story. Yeah,
and that one.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah. So she described the details that that sounds like
a pretty tough road to home to come over to
overcome that, and she laughed. I mean, she's happy and
you can tell you by her voice that she has
overcome it.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
That's really good And there are probably similar stories out there.
People have realistic fears. I've always wondered what the what
the difference is between a fear and a phobia? Are
they one and the same?

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I think they're the same.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Are they the same?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I don't think being afraid of certain things.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I don't know enough about that, but I wonder if
fear and phobia are the same thing. Like I have
a fear of being startled.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
I do.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I don't like being startled, always being afraid. I'm afraid
of being afraid.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I'm I mean, I mean easily startled. Why, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
That's so much?

Speaker 14 (58:06):
Man?

Speaker 1 (58:07):
You are you are complex. You are a complex dude.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Don't don't go there. Don't go there, all right, I'm sorry.
If you want to be a part of the program,
of course, you can always call join in on our
daily conversation Monday through Friday from four to seven. Number
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Speaker 1 (58:30):
I'm a citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
All right, we have been. I mean, the media is
talking about this all the time, and now we have
all these books coming out Greg about Joe Biden and
how the media covered it up and they didn't share
with the public. Really, the declining situation when it comes
to Joe Biden bugs me, bugs me so much. It's
worse than bugs me. I think I think it's criminal.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I think it ought to be criminal to cover for
someone that's not I mean, if president of the state's
supposed to have the nuclear codes, they're supposed to have
the footballers, there's a lot of a lot of responsibility
for president of United States and for all these people
to know he wasn't ready and cover it and then
have the gall to tell us later.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, well you made a point, you know, you go
back to Watergate days. Yes, Nixon basically lied because he
denied that he knew about what happened at Watergate and
if there was.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Any connection and and the and the thing there wasn't
he didn't know like premeditated. He found out the morning
after these dummies from his campaign broke into the you know,
the Democratic National Committee and Watergate, and he denied that.
He said he only learned about it weeks later or whenever.
That was the discrepancy that got him. He resigned because
he peach because he didn't say it next morning, he
said it was weeks after. That's the lie. This seems

(59:39):
to be a big whopper of a lie. That seemed
to be much worse this is they talk about the
Russian hopes and the cover off. Oh this is worse,
I think to have to pretend that man was knew
what he was doing, and to get in to attack
anyone who suggested that their eyes and ears were somehow betraying,
and just go after say how how dare you say that?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
What was it? Todd yesterday said, wells reporters didn't want to,
you know, cover this or tell the public this year
because they feared that if they did, they'd be helping
Donald Trump win.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Which means you're biased, which you means what kind of country?
What kind of a excuse is that they're actually it's
actually incriminating what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Well, it's certainly true that top Democrats now all of
a sudden surprise, surprise, the election is over. Joe Biden
is sitting on a beach somewhere, probably sleeping. All these
books are coming down saying all this Sten, they've changed
their tune, joining us on our newsmaker line. He is
the senior writer with the Washington Free Beacon is Andrew Styles. Andrew,

(01:00:40):
You've been looking at this all these Democrats have now
changed their tune on Joe Biden. What on earth happened?

Speaker 17 (01:00:46):
Andrew?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Well, yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 20 (01:00:48):
You have at least three that I'm aware of, probably
more coming books that are coming out now several months
after the election, in which you know, journalists are reporting
all these facts about Democrats actually knowing all along that
Biden was too old to his brain, too damaged to

(01:01:13):
actually run for president, and it's all coming out now
when there's no electoral damage possible to Democrats. I think
it's pretty clear for both the journalists and the Democrats
it's fine to say it now when people are, you know,
starting to blame Biden for ruining the Democratic Party's chances

(01:01:34):
and people are trying to kind of get on the
right side of history.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
You know, Andrew, the American people have a short memory,
and sometimes these news cycles come and go. I think
your article is so powerful and that you're you're quoting
what these what a ron claim? Or am I non
onal in what said are saying now, but you're putting
it right next to their very worst that they were
saying during the Biden administration to show that they were lying,

(01:02:01):
that they were lying to the people, and I think
some of the most shameful ways. So I guess my
question is why are they willing to admit to blatant
deception like they are?

Speaker 20 (01:02:15):
Well, I just don't think they see a lot of
consequences for them.

Speaker 14 (01:02:19):
There isn't a lot.

Speaker 20 (01:02:20):
Of consequences in uh, for these sort of political types
for being wrong or lying. It just kind of comes
with the territory. And you're right, it is so blatant.
I remember there was a time it was the uh
the Robert Hurr Special Counsel Report that described Biden as,
you know, a well meaning old man with a poor

(01:02:42):
memory who a jury would never convict because he's clearly,
you know, in such bad shape.

Speaker 18 (01:02:48):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (01:02:49):
Every single Democrat that you can think of came out
and said, you know, obviously this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Is a lie. I've been with Biden.

Speaker 20 (01:02:57):
He's sharp, he's as fit as he's ever been.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Some of them may have been.

Speaker 20 (01:03:03):
Oblivious, I think the majority of them absolutely knew better.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
They had met with him.

Speaker 20 (01:03:07):
And you know these book these new books books coming
out talk about Democratic congressmen meeting with Biden and him
not remembering their name or knowing anything, of just not
knowing where he is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
And you know they were saying they were.

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
Lying because they thought it was gonna help. They had
no choice, they had to support Biden. They wanted to
win the election. And it's about as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Andrew. What I find so fascinating you put you talk
about Ron Clain and Mike donaldin and here you have Klaane,
who had been at the White House for a number
of years, came back to help Joe Biden with the debate,
was basically startled at his decline. But then you have
Mike Donalan, a long time advisor to Biden, say oh,
I don't see anything wrong with him. I mean talk
about the stark contrast, Andrew.

Speaker 20 (01:03:56):
Yeah, I think there is a bit of a contrast
there between people like Donalin and the inner circle.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
That where Biden's rider dies throughout his term. And that
also includes Joe.

Speaker 22 (01:04:08):
Biden, who was apparently just one of the absolute key
figures and pushing back and saying, you know, he's fine,
We're going to do this, we want to stay in power.
I think some people like Donalan were deluded themselves. Maybe
that's the most charitable explanation. They wanted so badly to

(01:04:28):
stay in the White House and get to write on
Air Force one that they could convince themselves of anything.
But people like playing who talks about Biden wandering off
in the middle of debate preparation.

Speaker 20 (01:04:40):
To go fall asleep by the pool, being a little
bit shocked by what he saw. And you know, but
again he's saying this now. At the time, ron Klain
was saying, you know, everything's fine, and he's you know,
sharp as ever, he's fit, and he's going to win.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Easy to say all this now after the election.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
So I have to come back to this because it's
the only it's the only thing that sits. It sits
in my mind as I read this. This isn't These
aren't other people that saw ron Klan or others say
one thing then and and admit to the things now
these are. This is like a confessional. And I don't
know how they think this gives. This raises their stature
that they're more trustworthy. It seems like it's a self indictment.

Speaker 18 (01:05:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I don't think it points to them being in anyone
would want them in charge of anything going forward, given
that they're saying we were saying this then, and this
is what's happening now or what really happened? Are they
doing it because it's a good book deal?

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Are they making money on this? Because I don't even
see this as a career trajectory positive for them to
be able to be open and admit that they were
lying to the American people so blatantly. I mean, I
know I asked the question already, but is it because
there is there royalties involved? I just don't see the
why they would admit to such a such terrible behavior.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
You know, that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
You got to wonder.

Speaker 20 (01:06:03):
I think a lot of these guys they just enjoy
maybe people talking about them, enjoy being part of the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
All press is good press, I guess.

Speaker 20 (01:06:14):
I think for Clinton, people like Clay and Donalan, they're
towards the end of their careers. They probably don't care
and think they're not going to work in democratic politics again.
They'll probably end up on some with some corporate board
seat or all these.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Sort of kind of nonsense jobs.

Speaker 20 (01:06:32):
People in politics get after they leave, and they'll be
just fine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
They've already made a ton of money, and I.

Speaker 20 (01:06:39):
Guess they just don't really see the much at stake
for them to just stay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
How they really feel.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that one. Andrew, final
question for you. Here's why I'm troubled by all these
books that are coming out.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
There may have been some of these reporters. It may
have been Jonathan Allen, it may have been Amy Parnes,
it may have been others who probably were I don't
want to say complicit, but weren't really aggressive in reporting
his decline to begin with. Now they're writing books about
his decline. I mean, what's the truth here? I mean,
you know, did they did they mislead the public prior
to this, and now they're trying to convince us to

(01:07:15):
believe everything they have in these books.

Speaker 20 (01:07:20):
Yeah, so a lot of journalists Jake Tapper another one
that has a book coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Pretty surely.

Speaker 20 (01:07:28):
Some journalists are now saying, oh, well, yeah, are bad
we missed the story, and they certainly did.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
I think it was a little bit more not.

Speaker 20 (01:07:40):
Nefarious than that, or just like they didn't want to
tell the story and the fact that Donald Trump and
Republicans were saying Biden's too old to be president. It
was like a siren to them that if they're saying it,
it can't possibly be true. It must be a lie.
So we're going to aggressively pushback on this however we can.

(01:08:03):
And it was ridiculous. The Free Beacon we published just
posted videos of Biden looking old and seeile.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
There was plenty of footage.

Speaker 20 (01:08:13):
Of that, and we got dinged by these professional fact
checkers for misleading, posting, misleading, you know, misinformation suggesting that
Biden was old and senile. It was crazy the amount
of pushback there was to that. And so I don't
think just a simple like whoopsie, we missed it really

(01:08:37):
suffices in this case.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Andrew Styles joining us from the Washington Free Beacon talking
about how all of a sudden, all these Democrats are
coming out and say, yep, we knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Well, he walked me through. It's it's kind of the
Peter Struck, you know, how that guy was caught dead
to right, has bad text trying to frame Trump, and
now he gets to talk on CNN and get paid
a good amount of money to do it. So all
you have to do for all these clowns that are
showing that they're just duplicitous, they colluded in a dangerous way,
is say they hate Trump and CNN or someone will
hire them to just say how bad Trump is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
So yeah, all right, more coming up on the Friday
edition of The Rotten Greg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine k n R S.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
I am just, I am. I'm in a good mood
that it's Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I'm glad this room is hermetically sealed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
You know, would you stop because the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Conversations that we have during breaks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
This is just you know, folks, I feel like I would.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Crack up on this, but I think a lot of
a lot of guides would relate to what we talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
You know, I don't feel like I'm in a safe
place anymore, safe space anymore. Yeah, because you can mark out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I am I nark.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I can't speak.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
I'm just talking about what we talked when I didn't
get into it specific.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Because yeah, but you know what you beg the question,
and the question is what did you talk about? So
you just keep making it worse. But I can't even
talk to you and off off the air.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
We should we should do a segment someday ask Rodd
and Greg a question and answer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
No, I'm not doing that question. No, you know what
I learned, I've I've learned a couple of things. One,
some things I talk about are just not meant for.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Public and I don't share.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
And then I don't about that. We talk about things
like that. But the other thing is I will never
give another book review, like what books do you like? Greg?
What book have you read? I'm never doing that again
because I've given books recommendations of books I like, and
it's gone over my head why someone would hate that
book or think that books bad. No, I know that's
not you. But I'm just saying that's that's another life lesson. Yes,

(01:10:29):
life lesson I learned a long time ago, was I
don't I don't give recommendations for books. If you want
to read a book or read.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Have a five tikay, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
I won't answer, who's your favorite author? I won't answer.
I'm not answering because if I don't say, you know,
like the Book of Mormon, then I'm going to be
in trouble or something. No, I'm not. I'm not set
scripture aside script No, I still won't answer because if
I whatever that is, someone's going to find one of
those books and they're going to say that there's some
some inappropriate parts of that book, and then I'll look

(01:10:57):
like a bad guy. So I'm not. I'm not giving
a book recommendations.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Or author Dan Silvan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I like Dan sil Fine, it was good, good, But
I'm on another level.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Eric Larson, Eric Larson, who's written.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Okay, all right, this is a safe one. I think
this is a safe one. Jack car Easily, Yeah, you like.
I've Actually I'm a little bit behind. I got a
last couple to read. But I mean, what do you
call the terminal Terminalist?

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Terminal List.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah, he's awesome. He's he lives in Park City. He's a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
On the show, and he keeps on telling.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Us, no, well don't tell me that, because I love
that dude. I love his books. You know, I gotta
sign copies first book before he went to Hollywood because
you know, you know, they did a TV series on
one of his books, and but he I got to
sign copy of his first book, Terminal List.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Did you buy it from somebody or actually gave it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Said speaker hughes, and well, thank you for that's when
you were thank you for your service.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
When that's when you were somebody in the state. Now
you're just a radio game me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
But I still I still appreciate the gesture. I still
appreciate the book. And I've read all of them. Actually,
like I said, I haven't read last two. But Jack
Cars is safe when I can say, I do enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I'd love to read books. And I think, do you
do you enjoy reading?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yes? I do, Yes read, I'm reading radio, Yes, I'm
reading as I'm reading textion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Do you enjoy reading?

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I love it. But we read so much nowadays in
show preparation that it's hard for me to get into
a book anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
You know what I do. I kind of cheat it.
So I do a combination. I do Kindle and I
do Audible, and so I'll read and listen at the
same time, and then i'll listen to it because you
can bookmark them and it'll sync to them together, really,
and so I can read it for a while and
then I can listen and I can so I'll bat
back and forth, especially if I have a road trip.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
I'm on I have never. I don't think I could
do that on a road trip listen to a book. Yeahok,
well I do have to tell you that I have
to wonder much. Well, they have a button for that.
It's kind of rewinds it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Yeah, they do so, because your mind's going to wander,
you can go ten seconds back, ten seconds back, and
you can get back to where you last remembered.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
You were still listening, like thirty minutes back. Now, because
I can't consentrate on someone reading to me, yes you can, No,
I can't. If you're listening to a pot it's no
different than listening to a podcast. But you're listening to
a book, well, it's like listening to a radio show. Correct, correct,
So you can do it, yeah, but you have to
when you're driving, can you now music?

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
Listen?

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
They listen to us. I hope they were like an
author of a book.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
We're an author. No, you know, we just wasted five minutes.
We do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Well, now, I thought we were talking about important things
other than the fact you were going to talk about
things we were talking about offline. So and so, somebody
who read who knows me, says you're not your own
favorite author. Well that's rude.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Have you written a book?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
No, actually, I have a compilation of editorials.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
You showed me that you're a very good writer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Well, thank you, Yeah you are.

Speaker 6 (01:13:47):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
I in college I wrote a column called the World
according to Greg and ubsc was and I was the
editorial editor, and I got They made a little book
of those columns that I wrote. And back, I'm going
to tell you this. Back in the early nineties, I'm
the same dude. Man, I was calling out illegal immigration
back in the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
You've showed me some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Yeah. Winston Churchill said if you're if you're young and
you're a conservative, you don't have a heart. If you're
older and you're not conservative, then you don't have a brain.
Apparently I didn't have a heart because I was just
no I would know I was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
You were conservative?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Straight?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I was conservative when I was younger. Yeah, all right,
I still am.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
We actually are going to get some into something substantive
in the next segment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I've had a lot of substance in this topic. You
talked about our favorite authors.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Well, that's true, that's true. All right, mare coming up,
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Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
They called the Freedom.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Fund, Freedom Fund, freedom from.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
You know, maybe you've got some bills freedom from paying
for the high cost of eggs. By the way, I
saw this story today, egg prices are going up again.
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
And we'll be on We'll be unphased in Utah because
we haven't seen the downside as much we have so
we haven't so if it goes up again, maybe we
never get the downside.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
And I paid three fifty nine for a gallon of
gas today. I think gas was going down, mister Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Yeah, well no, I'm telling you, a barrel crewed is
down to like sixty in the fifty dollars. So Yeah,
we should be seeing that big time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Why don't we go and see that? Well, it's great
to bring our next guest down. He wrote something the
other day that really got our attention. Nearly seven million
men greg in the prime of their life. Over a
tenth of the twenty five to fifty four year old
age group are neither working nor looking for work these days.
That's a bit of a startling figure, I would think,

(01:16:03):
would you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
I'm shocked by it. Yes, I don't know what they're
doing otherwise. So I can't wait to talk to our
guests all right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
His name is Nicholas Aberstadt. He is a scholar at
the American Enterprise Institute. He wrote about that, Nicholas, how
are you welcome to the Rodding Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
Hey, thank you so much for inviting me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Let me ask you, Nicholas, that is a startling figure.
What is going on with these young men.

Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
It's not a new phenomenon. I'm afraid this has been
gathering for almost fifty years. I'm not talking about the
youngest man. I'm talking about the group that's called I'm
age man, the twenty five to fifty four year olds,
the ones who are not only in the prime of
their working career or should be working career, but also

(01:16:49):
the time when you form families and raise kids for
fifty years or more. There's been a flight from world
work by men in America. It hasn't gotten that much attention,
but we're at a point now where for every guy
in this age group who's unemployed officially unemployed, not working

(01:17:15):
but looking for a job, there are three or dropouts
not looking for work, and also it doesn't have a job.
So if you miss that group, you're missing three quarters
of the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Here's what's blowing my mind. So there's so much abject
poverty around the world. There's people living on a cup
of rice a day. There's a lot of suffering going on.
We live in such an incredible country where upwardly mobile,
freedom of determination, We have all these opportunities that not
everybody gets what plan b to do. Men between the

(01:17:50):
ages of twenty five to fifty four even have to
if they're not working. I mean, I never saw jobs
as an option or a luxury. It was a you
have to have. How are they avoiding the responsibility of
being gamefully employed?

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
Well exactly, And our employment statistics system was built to
fight you know, the Great Depression. The people who put
it together couldn't imagine that. You know, men in the
prime of their life who didn't have a job wouldn't
be looking for one. So that's why this whole huge
group is you know, not accounted for in our regular numbers.

(01:18:28):
This is a sort of problem you could only have
in an absolutely historically unprecedentedly affluent society, right where you've
got enough money to finance this. So between family, between friends,
including girlfriends, family members called Uncle Sam, there's enough money

(01:18:53):
sloshing around to make it possible to live a work
free existence.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Nicholas, What has contributed do you think to this almost
desire or decision not to work or even not seek employment.
What has contributed to that? Do they know, well, we
don't have to worry. The government will take care of us.
Mom and dad will take care of us. What has
contributed to it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
Well, I'm not sure we've got a whole lot of
happy campers in this seven million man army here. You know,
in the self reporting, you know, through the government official
surveys that people respond to and stuff, about half of
the dropout guys say that they're taking some sort of

(01:19:42):
pain medication every day. I mean, that's not happy. The
self reporting also asks about time use, what do you
do between the time you wake up and you go
to bed, and how long do you know, stay in bed,
that sort of stuff. Most of these men report, so

(01:20:04):
it's themselves reporting that they're checked out from civil society.
They don't do worship, they don't do volunteering, they don't
do you know, charitable you know, community activities. They've got
a lot of time, but they don't do a lot
of housework or helping with people in the home. What
they say, and they don't get out of the house

(01:20:25):
that much. They say that they're watching screens. Now the
surveys don't tell us what they're watching or how they're watching.
But it's not just you know, it's basically two thousand
hours a year of watching screens is what they report,
like a full time job. And it's not just you know,

(01:20:47):
I don't know what it is. You know, I'm playing
a World of Warcraft. It's playing World of Warcraft stoned. So,
I mean, this is a terrible it's a terrible problem
for the people involved as well, because of the huge
loss of human potential and the disconnect. This is where
depths of despair come from.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
You know, it's such a fascinating discussion because you know,
adversity is supposed to be I would argue inherent to life,
and it's how you approach adversity. Someone once said, to
put it in the most simplest terms, the secret to
happiness is earned success. And it's not even specific to
what that success may be. But when you earn success,
when you overcome adversity, that's where your self esteem grows.

(01:21:31):
That's where you find happiness. If you have seven million
men between the ages of twenty five to fifty four
who are not confronting adversity or earning success, it doesn't
sound and you said they're not very happy. What's the
trajectory for that? Do they do? They have kids that
also don't work? I mean, how do I just for me?
I didn't I didn't feel like I thought homelessness would

(01:21:54):
be terrible. I thought starvation would just be on like
would really make me unhappy. And I didn't have an
ability to have I wasn't a trust fund baby or anything,
so I didn't have any other alternative but to work.
Is what's the future of people that aren't earning success?
Aren't happy. Do they have kids that are doing the
same what? I don't know where this goes.

Speaker 6 (01:22:15):
Much less likely to have kids, much less likely to
be performing families, much less likely to be engaging with
their communities or in faith in worship. I mean that
funny little Greek guy long ago, Aristotle, he said that

(01:22:36):
human beings were social animal, social creatures. You know, if
you're not connected to your community, to work, to family,
to religion, of you know, you suffer. I mean, there's
a reason that some people think that solitary confinement is
cruel and unusual punishment, and a lot of these people

(01:22:58):
are suffering. I mean, that's the part entirely from all
of the consequences and repercussions that has for our country.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Nicholas, you're right about men. What about women in this
age room? Are they doing okay better than the men?

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
Very interesting question. It's a paradox if you're just looking
at something like workforce. The women in this age group
have higher levels of labor force participation than ever before
in history. So you can, you know, you can say, okay,
pop the champagne, let's go home. This is great. The

(01:23:36):
other side of it, though, is that there is a
growing group. I was talking about the seven million dropout men.
There's a group of about three million counterpart women who
are neither working or looking for work, have no kids
at home, no children under the same roof, same household,

(01:23:56):
and are not currently married. And that group is also
growing exponentially. And if you look at what they say
about their lives, time use, and so forth, about half
of them say they're taking pain meds of some sort
every day. So there's a gathering problem. You know, it's
a gender equality that we don't want. It's not as

(01:24:18):
big as for the guys, but I think we got
to pay attention to that too.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Okay, I got a question as your research into this.
This is ten million people, seven million men through million women.
Do they vote? Do they vote? So tell me they don't,
so that you know, at least you know they're not
messing it up for the rest of us, since they're
not going to get engaged.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
I'd love to tell you that, but but this is
a you know, kind of a look a blank spot
in the numbers. I mean, there are a lot of
weird numbers gaps in this whole question, which is part
of the reason that it's been ignored for so long.
The public opinion pollsters don't get a lot of time

(01:25:01):
before you hang up on.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Them on the phone, right, because you're so busy.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
Don't use it. Yeah, well, they don't use it to
ask about employment status. I would guess, and this is
only a guess, but the same people who are not
going to church, not going to volunteer, not getting out
of the house, I'm guessing they're also probably not all
that likely to vote. I mean, one of the reasons

(01:25:25):
we've been able to overlook this problem for so long
is because the the seven million dropout guys are not
being a menace to society. They're not going out and
burning down cities or stealing cars or doing whatever. They're
more likely to be, you know, risks of depths of despair.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Nicholas, fascinating research. Thank you for your time tonight, and
go enjoy the weekend. Thank you, Nicholas.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
Likewise, thanks so much, Thank you. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
That is Nicholas Eberstand. He wrote a column in the
New York Post. He's also with the American Enterprise Institute.
You hear about these men, all these young men, all
the time. Greg, Well, you've seven million young men don't
work today.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
I happen to know that brought our kids raised strong men.
You got you got, you got boys, you got coke
machines with arms and legs, and they all work. And
my boys teach.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
If there's one thing you can do if you're a
young parent, teach your children how to work. Yep, that
is so important.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
It's a shocking discussion to add. I didn't know it
was that bad. I just because again I I didn't
know that there were alternatives that if you didn't, it
didn't end up you're homeless. And I just don't know
how they do it. But it sounds like it's disability.
It's it's all kinds of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Final segment coming up on the Roden greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n r S.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Last segment and then you get your Then the weekend begins.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah yeah, and another reminder starting on Monday. You want
to win a thousand bucks? I you, well, we can't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Though I know I was going to ask you, but
I already know what you're going to say. Yeah, they're
gonna they're gonna censor me. The blackballing so unjust. It's
the Freedom Fund one fund apparently I'm not. I'm not allowed.

Speaker 14 (01:27:08):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I'm not you're not freedom. Well, building is allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
It's allowed to be free. That doesn't sound like a
good place to work where freedom is not allowed. You know,
a fund.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Still freedom still wines.

Speaker 8 (01:27:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Interesting story this one out of Florida. Greg a Florida
high school teacher, lost her job after refusing or after
using a students preferred name without getting mom and dad's consent.
So the student comes to school his actually name is
you know is his name is Tim, but he wants

(01:27:41):
to be called Susie. She called him Susie at his request,
but didn't notify the parents that she's going to do that,
and she has now lost her job against the new
state law.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
I think that's I think that's the right way to go. Honestly, Yeah,
I do. I look and and and nobody wants to
be mean. It's not about being me, Okay, I'm just
gonna tell you. It's about chromosomes. It's about it's about
birth certificates, it's about how you were registered in school.
It's about the years you've spent in that school. And
if it identifies you as a male, if some for
some reason, you are supposed to now identify that student

(01:28:14):
who's a minor as something other than their Christian name.
The parents are the ones who should be deciding that
and letting the school know how to proceed. There's no
there's no autonomy for minors in schools on certain subjects.
If you need a parent's written permission slip to take
an aspirin at the nurse's office, then if you want

(01:28:36):
to just flip flop genders, the parent better be the
one informing the school that that's the decision.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
You know what I love about this story, Greg, here's
an example of a school supporting the parents.

Speaker 9 (01:28:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
I know that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
That's Florida for you. That is Florida where you have
a school saying here are the rules. The parents have
rights over their children. We are not to interrupt those rights,
and if you do, you could be fired. And this
is an example finally supporting a school, finally supporting a
parent's right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
But I guarantee you those that don't agree with that,
if they want to do a field trip somewhere, they'd
still want the parent to know and or your permission
to go on a field trip somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
All well, it's been a crazy week with the tariffs,
the stock market, everything that's going on. No telling what's
going to happen next week. Look coming in and we'll
be here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Yeah. I think if you're going to go and revamp
the whole world trade of the Global Trade Partnership arrangement,
I think it's more than three business days, five business days.
I think this is an ongoing story, but I think
it's going in the right direction, and we are here
and happy to report.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
All right, head up, shoulders back, man, God bless you
and your family. There's great country of ours. Have a great,
great weekend. We'll be back Monday at four