April 22, 2025 • 39 mins
The Rod and Greg Show Daily Rundown – Tuesday, April 22, 2025
Terry Schilling, President of the American Principles Project joins the program for a conversation about a case the Supreme Court is hearing today regarding whether Montgomery County Public Schools violated the religious rights of parents by forcing children to sit through an LGBTQ-themed story without informing the parents.
Amber Todoroff, Deputy Policy Editor for Open the Books, joins Rod and Greg for a conversation about the wealth accumulated by Dr. Anthony Fauci both before, and after, his retirement.
Author David Zweig joins Rod and Greg to discuss his new book “An Abundance of Caution: American Schools, the Virus and a Story of Bad Decisions” about the covid lockdowns and what it has meant for the future of our children
Terry Schilling, President of the American Principles Project joins the program for a conversation about a case the Supreme Court is hearing today regarding whether Montgomery County Public Schools violated the religious rights of parents by forcing children to sit through an LGBTQ-themed story without informing the parents.
Amber Todoroff, Deputy Policy Editor for Open the Books, joins Rod and Greg for a conversation about the wealth accumulated by Dr. Anthony Fauci both before, and after, his retirement.
Author David Zweig joins Rod and Greg to discuss his new book “An Abundance of Caution: American Schools, the Virus and a Story of Bad Decisions” about the covid lockdowns and what it has meant for the future of our children
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know what I'm I'm going to come up with
a new rule for you. Are you ready for this?
I don't know, maybe fifteen minutes before the show, I'm
locking the door and I'm not letting you out of
this studio. Why because if I let you out of
this studio, you get out there and get gab it
I do, and then you aren't here on time.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I was here on time.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, but you're cutting it closed.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I was a little shocked that the show's already starting.
I had something to make you here in the station,
very very We work with great people.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You are such a politician. You're gripping and grinned people
all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I would suggest that it's not authentic that I'm a politician.
I'm just I'm just a social person, and we work
with great people here.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You know I had a conversation you that printer.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I don't blame me. Do not blame it on the printer.
I just don't do that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well I just did.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
All right, Well, we've got a lot of things to
talk about today. Larry David, who created helped create Seinfeld,
wrote an op ed piece today in The New York Times,
going after Bill Maher for his meeting with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, it's a pretty despicable way to do it. The
weirdest thing about about Larry David is I love his
show Kirby Your Enthusiasm, because you know, he's he just
keeps walking through life, offending everybody when he's not trying to,
and the character is amusing.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I actually, you know what, I actually do identify with
that show because I do find that there's times where
he's just trying to be honest, everybodys offending. But I
find that character to be great, and he writes that character,
but in real life he is just the worst curmudgeon.
I mean this, this off ed in the New York
Times is a disgrace. It's a letter to Hitler. It's
a fictional letter to Hitler, and it's aimed squarely at
(01:40):
Bill Maher.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And he's using this And I think the Democrats and
those on the left love this because a lot of
people see this as he's now sending a message to
anybody out there on the on the political left who
meets with Donald Trump will have hell to pay.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, and Larry David thinks he's being cute and not
even cutie has thrown that show across the bow. My
dinner with Hitler is how it goes, and he uses
all the descriptions that Bill Maher used when he described
his dinner with the President, and he's doing it to
describe what it would be like if you were trying
to justify a dinner with Adolf Hitler. And it's not
(02:16):
just a shot at Bill Maher. It's, as you say, Rod,
it is meant to have a chilling effect to make
sure the left or anyone that's left of center doesn't
even attempt to find common ground with this man.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's amazing. So we'll talk about that big hearing today
before the Supreme Court on LGBTQ material in schools and
if parents can op their children out of storytime and
looking at these books. A little bit later on Anthony Fauci, Oh,
what a wonderful name. The little mad Scientist. Yes, apparently
has been raking in a lot of money since his retirement.
(02:50):
We'll get into that. And that's just the first hour
of this show. So we invite you to be with
us today. A lot to get to. All right, let's
talk about this letter. Larry David op ed piece the
guest as today in the New York Times talking about
my dinner with Adolf Hitler. It was a shot at
Bill Maher and basically saying, anybody who wants to do
what mar did in going to the White House and
(03:11):
meeting with Donald Trump shouldn't do that. It was a
threat to anybody out there trying to meet with the president.
Now I want to take you back. This is Bill
Maher about a week after he met with the President,
talking about his meeting with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
To all the people who treated this like it was
some kind of summit meeting, You're ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Look, I was going to sign a treaty or something.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That I haven't. I have no power comedian.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
And he's the most powerful.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Leader in the world. Meet up in person, maybe it'll
be different.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Spoiler alert. It was so no. I didn't go maga,
And to.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
The President's credit, there was no pressure.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Too, just for starters.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
He laughs.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, and Bill Maher knows he's not going to back
down being critical of the President. But he did have
a meeting with him. So they understand each other. They
get to know each other, and they know where they're
coming from.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And I also thought that he said where he could
maybe rib him or kind of shoot back some differing opinions,
he felt more comfortable doing that with President Trump than
he would have Biden or Oba Obama, that that relationship
is more formal and more rigid, but that he could
actually push back a little bit. And he laughed, he said,
the President laughed. And so I think that he's I
(04:30):
think that is the one thing that needs to happen
if we want to see a president that is willing
to work with those who don't agree with his worldview
or everything he's doing is to find common ground. But
you have to He's a human being, and they don't
want to humanize him. They want to make him. They
want to make him the worst of the worst. And
the problem is, I think the American people have just
had it. I mean, I just think it's why the
(04:50):
I just think that it's it just bounces off people
now they don't listen to the criticism any long.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well here's how Scott Jennings on CNN responded to what
Larry David wrote.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
And the message of this is not to because Bill
maher totally great, He's totally in the right to do it,
and I loved his monologue, even though I disagree with
most everything he believes politically. He was right to do
this and he was right to speak out about it.
But this isn't about that dinner. It's about the next one.
Because this is the modern left. It's an attempt always
to intimidate people into not ever doing it again.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's to silence yourselves, or we'll do it for you.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
That's the purpose of this op ed, so that the
next comedian or the next person on the American left
chooses not to speak to Donald Trump. This isn't This
is all an effort to get people not to do
what you just said, which is to talk to each
other in our political leader.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I guess is Bill Maher is not going to be silenced.
He doesn't know, and I don't think he'll be silent.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Guys like Larry David have miscalculated if they think they're
going to intimidate him into compliance. I think he'll I
think he'll lean in on that. I have found him
to just he has spotted. He's a leftist, but he
has spotted where they have just gone too far, and
he's been willing to call it out Prior to even
that that, you know, meeting or dinner with Trump.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Even attorney Dan Abrams, who has a show I think
on MSNBC or one of those what those networks, was
on that CNN panel last night. Here's what he said.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
I'm so with Bill Maher on this one because I
think that if people like Bill Maher can't go and
talk to Donald Trump, we are we are really messed
up now because think about it, now, he's still going
to go and criticize Donald Trump, right, he just has
a little more credibility when he's doing it. And the
(06:31):
notion when you start bringing in Hitler, right, you know
you've lost the argument. Anytime anyone invokes Hitler right and
makes the comparison, you're going to lose.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think the American people are so sick and tired
of this messaging. He's a fascist, he's a Nazi, he's Hitler.
I mean, the American people realize, you know, stop the
name calling Democrats because it's not getting you anywhere. Maybe
with your base, but I would imagine your base is
even getting tired of this.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I would think, and I would think anyone who has
family members who were victims of this Holocaust and Nazi Germany,
and it should be appropriately offended by any comparison, any
loose comparison to the horrors that was Nazi Germany with
this president or anything else you're trying to compare it,
to be careful what you're making a comparison out it,
(07:16):
because what you end up doing is mightily disrespecting and
demeaning the horror that was the Holocaust, the horror that
was Adolf Hitler, the evil that was the Nazis. And
when you just want to compare it to every political
opponent you don't agree with, you're actually attacking a time
and history that should be given a lot more respect.
(07:37):
And we should be taking a lot more seriously.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
With the criticism that Margot for doing this. Do you
think anyone else on the left is going to be
willing to sit down with Donald?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
True, you've got to be tough. I think a lot
of these guys live and breathe by whatever people think
of them. The other people's opinions of them is their
opinion of themselves. And if you're going to get grief,
you just as soon avoid it. I think it takes
a certain type a person like a Bill Maher, and
there's others like it that when you push them, they're
just going to push harder. They're not going to get pushed.
(08:06):
That's true, but I think I think a lot of
our entertainment or even news people will avoid these moments
of trying to reach out. I'll talk to Trump, because
they don't want to be treated.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The way Bill Maher was.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bill Maher was in the way Larry David's describing him.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
All Right, We've got a lot to come next. A
battleover parents' rights before the US Supreme Court today. We'll
talk about that next right here on the Tuesday edition
of The Rod and Greg Show. Do you know I
spent eight years of my broadcasting career in television. Yes,
funny things happen on live televisions, but I have never
seen this happen before. Now we're going to let you
(08:41):
listen to what happened last night on the NBA broadcast
with Shaq. Shaq had a moment that he needed to
deal with, and we'll get into that a little bit
later on in the show, because you will laugh.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We laughed this morning at our morning meeting as we
listen to this. It's hilary, folks, So we'll do that.
But moving on very important to hearing today before the
US Supreme Court, and it appears the Court may likely
rule in favor of parents. That would be a first.
Joining us on our Newspager line to talk about that.
(09:15):
It's Terry Shilling, president of the American Principles Project. Terry,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?
Speaker 9 (09:20):
Terry, Hey, Rod, thank you so much for having me
and Greg. Good to hear your voice too.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's Terry. Terry tell people what went on before the
Supreme Court today and why you're kind optimistic as to
what the end result may be.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
Well, so again, thank you so much for having me. So,
the Supreme Court today is hearing a case called My
Mood Versus Taylor, and it deals with Montgomery County, Maryland
and the curriculum there. So there are these we all
know that there are these sexually explicit books that are
in elementary and grade school and middle schools all over
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the country. Well, parents in Montgomery County wanted to opt
their children out of these reading programs and they didn't
want their children exposed to it. Well, the school initially
allowed the parents to opt out, but then renigged and
came back and said no, we're not gonna let this
let you, let you opt your kids out. You either
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have to choose to allow your kids to come here
and have the full thing or nothing at all. And
they're before the Supreme Court today, and I'm optimistic that
we're gonna win because for lots of reasons. One Supreme
Court's been on a role lately. They've been supporting parental rights,
and they overturned Dobs. I mean that decision alone gives
us hope for the future. But the line of question today,
(10:39):
especially from Brick Havanaugh, was fantastic parents. Obviously these are
It's not even a religious factor. It's not a First
Amendment case. This is a parental rights case. Parents have
a right to direct the upbringing of their kids education.
It starts in the home, and we loan our children
to these schools to teach them how to do maths
and how to read, how to write. But the other
(11:01):
reason I'm super optimistic is because today on Martha McCallum show,
you guys, she's a Fox News ghost. Yeah, you guys
know Randy Winingarten, right, she's the head of the teacher.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Unfortunately, yes, we do know who she is.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
Well, Well, here here here's something that might shock you.
Randy Weingarten on that show today on Fox News told
millions of people across the country that even she would
not be reading these types of books to children that
are four, five and six years old in school. She's
a radical liberal, radical progressive and these books are too
(11:37):
extreme for her. So even when Randy Winegarten is on
your side, you have to think that this is going
to be a seven to two, eight to one, possibly
a nine to zero victory for parent to rights here
at the Supreme Court. I'm just I'm optimistic. I think
we'll at least get a five to four, but I
think it'll be a whole lot higher number if if
Randy Winegarden is even on our side.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That is actually an incredibly tell. That's a whether that
I wasn't expecting to hear from. Let me ask you
this because as you're describing this and it's a parental
rights issue, what I my mind keeps going back to
is during the Biden administration, there was a memo put
out by I think Homeland Security identifying potential domestic terrorists
as parents at parents attending school board meetings who are
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angry or upset with what's happening inside their school, and
they were categorizing these parents as a potential harm domestically
and capable of potentially committing violence. Did that example? I mean,
the reason why you want to get parental rights the
right and you want to do it the right way
is you would never want a conscientious parent who's involved,
which is what we need more of to ever be
(12:40):
described this way. Did that example come up at all
in the questions and answers?
Speaker 9 (12:45):
You know it may have greg. To be honest, I
was in and out of meeting today. I tuned in
to the hearings, but I do want to say that
I think that everyone, especially the Supreme Court, is sick
and tired of this fake AstroTurf war that's been waged
between parents and teachers. Right, the vast majority teachers are good,
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They want to be partners in the kids' education. The
vast majority of parents want to do the same thing.
That we're not against each other. And these elites in
the teachers unions and in the left, they want to
pit teachers against parents. They think they actually believe this
small group of people that control so much of education
policy in America, they don't think that parents should be
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telling schools what to teach. But if you talk to
the average teacher in public schools or not, they will
tell you that they want a partnership with the parents.
They want to be working with the parents. And that's
how it was when I was growing up. I'm sure
it was with you guys too. If you got in
trouble at school, your parents were coming down on you first,
and then they let you hear they bear you out right,
(13:51):
and if you had an actual case. In my case,
my parents always sided with the teacher. And guess what,
they were always right.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Because I was a bad kid.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
So I will to tell you I hate this whole
parents are domestic terrorists. Parents should be telling school to
teach because it's not just harmful to parents, it gives
teachers a bad reputation. It makes parents think that teachers
are have to get them. The vast majority of teachers
out in this country, they don't want to teach this
crazy stuff. They're afraid to speak up because they'll get
punished by their you know, the unions. They only represent
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the problematic employees.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Right.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
I'm sorry, you guys got me on a hot hot roll.
This is something I care very passionately about. But I'm
very optimist we're gonna win. I'm optimistically gonna get back
to some normalcy where parents and teachers work together so
that we don't have illiterate kids who don't know how
to do maths. I'm very optimistic in the future of America.
I think we really turned a huge corner.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, we can only hope and Terry, by the way,
I went to eight years of parochial school. The nuns
would whacky anytime they felt like it, and I'd get
home complain to my mom and the nuns would say
or my mom would say, well, they should have hit
you harder. That's the way it went.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Derey for me. My kids are adults now, but I
was a on the side of the school. But when
I was a kid, I demanded my mother be on
my side. They were just lying. All those teachers and
principals are lying, just through their teeth when I was
a kid. But you know, well, Terry's.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
Story, true story. My eight year old kid. Just last week,
So the teacher threw a chalk eraser at one of
the kids, and he was all said about and I said, well,
what did that? What was that kid doing? You know,
the teacher, the driver that nuts. That's how it is,
and that kids are always going to cause problems, but
they need discipline and that's what parents are here for,
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and the teachers need to help the parents.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Do this job.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Amen too. That Terry is always great chatting with you.
We'll look for that hearing probably the end of June.
Thanks Terry, Thank you, guys. Thank you. Terry Shilling, president
of the American Principles Project, talking about the hearing before
the Supreme Court today. All Right, Moore coming up on
the Rotten Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five
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Speaker 2 (15:51):
Because you told me right before we came you talk
you complained about it. I'm not in a studio rady
for the show to start. You're like, ooh, and you
dive for that the TV screen think and I think
it's breaking news because we usually have the Fox News
channel playing. But my shoulder, so the ooh and the
grabbing of.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, it's the playoffs. I wanted to see if there's a.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Scorn and who cares it's I'm expecting, like, you know,
we've got a piece of cors. You know, we've got
Israel and and and you know, gazz of peace in
our time or something. I look over it's just hockey.
So yeah, can it threw me off? I'm just like,
are you kidding me? That's not that's not worthy of
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a ooh and a diving at the remote control.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You don't whine like this all day to day because
I've got some chees I can get for you as well.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I'm not whining. I'm just say you did catch me
a little flat footed, because you know you're this excited
about the first round of the hockey playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, it was about a couple of years ago doctor
Anthony Fauci resigned or retired, right, Yes, Well, since that retirement,
old Anthony has raised and brought in a little bit
of cash.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's a good gig if you can get it, That's
what I'm saying. I don't know how public employee of
all these years gets to make in the mills now
millions to.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
The tune of three point five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think it's a retirement.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Couldn't be well. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to
talk about that is an Amber tutorof She's deputy policy
editor at Open the Books. They've been digging into it Amber,
thanks for joining us today. How to get a hold
of so much money?
Speaker 10 (17:22):
So Che's income had already gone up substantially throughout the
COVID pandemic, basically through the increase in his stock market portfolio.
But after he left, it's been very interesting that we
went up three point five million dollars and we saw
at least one point two million indirect deposits into his
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bank accounts, and that could be from his book deal.
There was one big seven hundred thousand dollars deposit, but
he also won several large prizes from university and had
many big speaking gigs with trade organizations, with the pharmaceutical industry.
(18:07):
So who knows. We don't know exactly where this money
came from. We just know that he got substantial deposits
and the line went up about three point five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, the fear is that his financial gain may have
come from whatever research, whatever grants he was able to
marshal to the even the lab Wuhan lab that created
this coronavirus or let it leak. So it's almost like
it would be insult to terrible injury that he was
financially rewarded for. You know, the the type of research
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they were doing, and that he was hiding all along.
My question is how are you able to find the
information about his financial circumstances where we know that from
his book deal and what other deposits he's making. How
is that available? Because that is interesting to see those
numbers go up.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
So you can request the financial disclosures of many high
ranking and important figures within the Health and Human Services Agency.
So in the past we had requested Fauci's numbers, but
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Fauci's wife still worked at the NIH. She was the
chief bio bioethicist of the NIH for many decades and
she continued to work there after Fauci's retirement, and so
we requested her financial disclosures this year and that she
(19:42):
also reported Fauci's income as well, because they have some
shared accounts and such. So that's how we got it,
and that's what.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It showed amber what kind of what kind of groups
is he speaking in front of? I mean, what kind
of groups want to hear from this guy?
Speaker 11 (19:59):
Well?
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Really interesting. So one of them was the National Association
Association of Chain drug Stores, which is a trade association
uh the American Health Insurance Plans, another trade Association World
quant a quantitative asset manage management firm, and a bunch
of universities, and then something called the Japan Medical Congress,
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which is a major medical conference held in Japan every
four years. And to your points, I mean the national
I would assume that chain drug stores profited from COVID vaccines.
COVID vaccine mandates that Fauci advocated during his time as
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the leader of the NIAID, So it is kind of
interesting that they are having him speak. We don't know
how much he was given for his U speeches because
it doesn't say, but we assume that he was paid
for the speeches.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
The areas of credibility where I thought he really failed
initially during as COVID started to you know, unfold, was
one where they were saying, don't use them, you don't
need masks. They changed that story that they did, saying, well,
we didn't want to have a run on masks. Second
was when they're that you saw the Antifa or the
BLM riots. He said while they were closing churches and
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other in schools, that they was fine to be able
to politically protest, that those those meeting like that would
would be just fine. So his credibility is weak for
a lot of people. And then as we get more
information in hindsight, I would be very surprised if he
is still seeing this money train that you're reporting. Is
is this an ongoing income that you're seeing from speeches
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or from his interactions with pharmaceutical companies or was these
are these one time payments for a job well done
for their industries.
Speaker 10 (21:53):
Well, we don't exactly know. We know that he is
continuing to give speeches. He is with a company that
contracts out prominent people to give speeches, and he's continuing
to do some that have been reported this year. But
what's sort of well, it's good for the American people.
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His wife was fired by RFK earlier this month, so
and she was also, you know, in lockstep with Fauci
in terms of advocating for his mandates, advocating that people
lose their job unless they take the vaccines and and
those sorts of policies. This is the NIH chief bioethicist.
(22:42):
So unfortunately she has left the agency now and we
will not be able to get her financial disclosures anymore
now that she won't be filing them. So yeah, this
might be our last look at how she's finance, at
least in such granular details we were able to get
from the agency documents.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Amber, final question for you, what about his security detail?
Because he was given a security detail for quite some time,
costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. Does he still
have it or has that been taken away by Donald Trump?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (23:15):
So open the books, and our partner journalist Jordan Shackel,
found that he did get a security detail worth fifteen
million dollars from the time of his retirement in January
twenty twenty three until at least September twenty twenty four.
We do not know if that was if that was
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extended further, but we assumed that it was because Donald
Trump did end his security and talked about it after
he assumed office. He said, fat, she has made a
lot of money and he does not need taxpayer funded
US Marshall security anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Amber, Thank you, Amber tudor Off. She is with the
open the books talking about the money that Anthony thout
she has raked in and he's raked in.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And the missus it turned to fine your income family
there and the mill, the mill multiple million. We're having
an artistic difference in the show. I have a I
have a journey. I'd like to take plays and gentlemen,
I'd like us all we go on. And he doesn't
want to go there. And I'm telling you, it's timely news,
(24:23):
it's breaking news. And he's just he just has this.
He just has his block. He doesn't want to talk
about it. But I'm going to win.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I'm gonna We'll see, we'll see. Well, speaking of winning, uh,
are those Democrats still still down in uh? El Salvador.
I couldn't find Garcia out of jail. This is this
is why they're still there.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Well, I don't know they said that that what was
their name, Max? That Congressman Dexter, I think her name
is she? She says, I'm staying till he's like a police.
Well with a four person majority in the House of Representatives,
for all Democrats that want to stay in El Salvador,
I hope you stay there for the rest of this
Garcia's born days, Yes, stay there forever. Yeah, and give
us a greater majority in the House.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, the the Republican the Senate. The Republicans in the
Senate have now developed a new ad about Democrats going
to El Salvador. You may enjoy this Welcome to L Salvador,
home to breathtaking sunsets, world class surf breaks, and gangbanger
kilmer Abrego Garcia.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
L Salvador is the destination for Democrats seeking the thrill
of bringing violent, criminal, illegal aliens back to America. Come
witness Trump derangement syndrome in its purest form, from Chris
van Holland to Corey Booker. You may even see John Ossa.
So what are you waiting for? Senate Democrats? Join your
(25:50):
colleagues and step into the rhythm.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Of rescue today, the rhythm of rescue today in El Salvam.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I hope they're very catching commercial. Oh, I hope they
stay down there. Just stay with him, just to stick
with them.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
The president of El Salvador said he's not coming back,
He's not going to release him.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, well, let that happen. If every Democrat wants to
just you know, do a little you know, I don't
know what, just camp out there and protest, just go
just stay. I actually think the country gets a measurably
safer the more of them go down to Al Salvador.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
All right, coming up, you need a good laugh. One
of the funniest things. But I think we've all seen
on television in quite some time. He's coming up next.
Stay with us.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You're going to be kicking your heels Donald Trump. Hope, No,
don't get everyone excited. I wish, I wish we would
that be fun to have Trump co host the radio.
That'd be it would be a blast.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You wouldn't get a word edgewise.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, remember, yeah, I remember last year when I interviewed
him and you weren't here. Queen Bee was convinced. She's like,
I don't know how you're supposed to inter him. Between
the two of you trying to talk, there's just it's
just never going to work. And I'm like, no, I
will be really disciplined, and he was. I remember I was, yeah,
And I had just like I was just gonna let
them talk the whole time. But he just answered the
(27:11):
question and would finish it. So I got to ask
a few questions. But Queen Bee had no fake, no
confidence that the two of us that I could speak
with the president President Trump and have an interview format
because both of us talked too much. But we did it.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
It was well done. I remember that. Of course, of
course you didn't mention me. All right. We were talking
earlier about the amount of money that Anthony Fauci has
made his retirement him and his wife three point five
million dollars. Nice, not bad if you can, if you
can get it. Yeah, well what about you know, we're
(27:47):
learning more and more about COVID, and there's a brand
new book out it's called The Abundance of Caution America Schools,
the Virus and the Story of Bad Decisions. The author
of that book is joining us on our show right now.
Dave's Wig. He's the author of the book. Dave, thanks
for joining us tonight. I want to ask you, first
of all, how many bad decisions were made during COVID.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
There certainly were, There was no shortage of poor decision
making during the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Here's the thing that I would hope with your book,
and with all this data and research that you're you're
going to that you're bringing to to the you know,
to the public square, I just don't feel like we've
learned enough. You're supposed to have twenty hindsight's supposed to
be twenty twenty. I want to know all about these
motorcycle fatalities that were COVID related. I want all of
those parts. Now. I want someone to tell me how
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in the world half the world was saying we got
to get these kids back in school so that they're
you know, their year over year progress isn't lost. But
in America, we were just going to keep these kids
and rooms by themselves isolated from the world. I want,
I want. I'm hoping that your book actually opens the
eyes of so many that we were so wrongly misled.
Maybe you could share with our listeners just examples of
(28:57):
some just shockers that we might have missed.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought this up. And you know,
the way you're framing it, I think is correct. And
the whole purpose of my book is to create a
historical document of what actually happened, rather than what I
believe is a sort of revisionist history that we're seeing
develop as these kind of narratives develop from the establishment,
(29:23):
where right now what we're hearing is, well, school closures
were regrettable, but an understandable thing, and you know, sort
of a fog of war. And what I show in
the book is that all of this information that schools
were safe, that mask mask mandates weren't really effective.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
You didn't need barriers on desks and all these other things.
This information was known in real time, and the book
is so the book is not a Monday morning quarterbacking.
It is not a retrospective look.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I show, like a TikTok chronology, here's what was known
at the time, and here's what was ignored or health
establishment and ignored by the legacy media.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You know, you were talking about a motorcycle deak.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
One of the interesting things that really has.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Not been widely reported that I show in the book
is thirty five point two percent of pediatric COVID deaths
were found in a study to have no connection, no
plausible connection to COVID being the underlying cause. And do
you know who published that study, the CDC, But no
one talks about this. So and that's just one of
(30:31):
the one of the many types of bombshells that I
have in my book that I think really really are
going to, as you said, open people's eyes to it
was actually happening. And even if people are cynical and
sort of thought me knew that a lot of you know,
things were going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
It's still it's going to.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Shock you, Dave. Why didn't more doctors speak up? I mean,
because you point out in your book that you were
contacted by a lot of doctors from around the country,
raising serious questions about what was going on, but nobody
wanted to speak up. Were they intimidated? Was it fear?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
What was it? Yeah, it's a really good question. So,
as you mentioned, that's right. In the book, I talk
about how all these people started reaching out to me,
including former CDC people, including physicians at these top medical institutions,
you know, top university hospitals in the country.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
And it's really two things. One is that people generally
tend to not want to be the outgroup.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And the fact of the matter is the pandemic response
was so politicized in America that even though there were
many physicians and others in public health who knew what
was going on was wrong. When they saw how kids
were suffering, they knew this wasn't even affected, It's not
even like they were suffering and there was a benefit.
They knew that this was wrong on multiple levels, scientifically
(31:52):
and morally.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
But they didn't want to say anything because they didn't
want to be in the outgroup.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I had one guy who went off talking to me
at a top university hospital and finally at the end
I said to him, well, what do your colleagues say
about this? And he said, oh, I don't mention this
at work. It's a total third rail. But I'll tell
you the other things. So that the biggest part is
a self censorship. But the other part is there were
numerous doctors who told me that they were censored, that
(32:18):
they were told by their administrators at their institutions, do
not say anything about this.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
There was a.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Doctor who's at the pick you do you know what
that is, that's like the pediatric intensive care uses hospital.
So she had given a short interview to this. It
might have been like a trade publication. It was just
some small thing where she had told the person that
this was after the vaccine came out, and she said,
(32:46):
we've seen more young male like teenage male patients since
the vaccine has come out in the last couple months,
and we've seen COVID patients for an entire year.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
And this was just true't making a political statement.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
This is just the fact of what they were seeing
in their intensive care unit for you know, in the
hospital and her boss said, you are never allowed to
speak about this again.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
So this was what she called me. So these are the.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Things that people as again as cynical as some of
your listeners might be about this, they don't know the
half of it of what I show that went on
behind the scenes in my book.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
And the book isn't just about kind of like like
a gotcha on these things.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
It's what I'm trying to do is show how the
gears of society turn. How is it that this happened
something that was so manifestly crazy. It was so nuts
that you would have kids in California and other places
who didn't step foot into a classroom for more than
a year, while at the same time adults were going
to casinos.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
And going to bars and restaurants. It was so insane.
And my book is an attempt by me to explain
how does something this crazy actually happen?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You know, if I go back in time, this whole
flatten the curve. I had a physician, okay, and he's
a surgeon. He's very I mean well respected, and he
told me, is this was starting out, He said, Greg,
if you look at Italy, it isn't so much COVID itself.
It is that it is occupying every emergency room bed
in that country, to the point where if you have
a stroke, a heart attack, some real emergency, there's no
(34:28):
there's no capacity for those, you know, those emergencies, because
so many beds are being taken up, and so if
everybody gets it at the same time, that's when our
emergency room beds get filled. So we have to just
slow it down. That's what this whole flattened the curve is.
You know, it made sense to me. I was, okay,
let's do it. That curve never goes away, we never
get to come back outside again. I hear later that
(34:49):
maybe a lot of people never thought that that flattened
the curve of ten days was ever going to just
last ten days. But then you add bizarre messaging like
like you pointed out BLM riot fine getting together to
go to church, Now you can't do it. There just
seemed to be And again I even watched a press
conference that Governor then then Governor Cuomo said, if I knew,
(35:11):
and this was about a month into it, that people
of different ages and different comorbidities and different if I
knew that putting them all together. Telling everyone to be
together was going to be more dangerous. I would I
wouldn't do it the way we've done it.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
And exactly what I do.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I mean when you're talking about the flat and the curve,
I have the whole beginning of my book starts at
the beginning of the pandemic, and I delve into how
were these models created?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
You know, everyone can visualize in their mind now.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
I'm sure the flat and the curve meme where it's like,
if everyone just listens to us and follows.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Orders, then look at this. There's a gentle slope and
the cases don't like.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
But if you don't listen to us, there's a huge
spike and two million people are going to die within
a few months. And what I show is that those
models that they were creating were basically built on completely
made up figures.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
David, thanks for joining us. That's David Zwig. He's got
a brand new book out called An Abundance of Caution,
American Schools, The Virus and the Story of Bad Decisions.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
He's going to be a lot of things read.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
A lot of bad decisions made out there weren't.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
There it really was, and a lot to learn and look,
I think that I think the polls are showing at
this generation Z, these young people that live through this,
they are now identifying right of center that eighteen to
twenty one year old girls women are plus four Republican.
Right now, that's the women. I mean, I'm telling you
that is a shift that Democrats must be dying. I
(36:33):
don't think that there's ever been a poll that shown
eighteen to twenty one year olds identifying with Republicans. I
think this is like the first you can point to this.
The moments in this book that this book highlights is
where these kids start figuring out, this is a heavy
handed government that's taken away my life.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
More coming up the Rod and Greg Show, Talk Radio
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Speaker 2 (36:53):
I was hipped to B Square. I was exactly as
Huey Lewis called it out.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay, all right, we just saw some video posted on
X where you've got all these huge gas guzzling four
by fours pickup trucks, big SUVs lining up in front
of a Tesla dealership, whether Trump flagged or American flag,
all there to protect the Teslas.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I gotta admit I've been really disarmed on the whole
electric vehicle. Now that I see the left attacking those
electric vehicles, it makes me defensive of them. So I
can see why all those trucks are those combustible engines
are protecting a Tesla dealership.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
You gotta hear this. I've wanted to play this all day.
This is Elizabeth Warren. She was on a podcast and
the podcaster nailed her basically when he said, what you
stood up for Joe Biden? Then you change your tune?
What happened?
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Do you regret saying that President Biden had a mental acuity,
He had a sharpness to him. You said that up
until July of last year. I said, what I believe
to be true. Do you think he was as sharp
as you?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Crickets?
Speaker 11 (38:00):
I said, I had not seen decline, and I hadn't
at that point.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
You did not see any decline from twenty twenty four
Joe Biden to twenty twenty one Joe Biden.
Speaker 12 (38:13):
When I said that, he said, the thing is he look,
he was sharp, he was on his feet. I saw
him live event, I had meetings with him a couple
of times.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Senator on his feet is not praise. He can speak
in sentences is not praise.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Fair enough, fair enough, Look it is the question is
what are we going to do now?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Did she avoid that?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Well?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Did she tried? She felt miserably.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
This couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
When you lie for a living of long form podcast
is not your gig. No, you cannot go on there.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
No you cannot loved it. Well, we've had fun today.
We'll be back Tomorrow's singing man Wednesday tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
We Yeah, you got me away from my article. I
want to talk about again.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Today, bring it up tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh my gosh, you vatare this this item? Every show?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Hand up, children's back, My God, to lest you and
your family, This great country of ours will talk to
you tomorrow at four
You know what I'm I'm going to come up with
a new rule for you. Are you ready for this?
I don't know, maybe fifteen minutes before the show, I'm
locking the door and I'm not letting you out of
this studio. Why because if I let you out of
this studio, you get out there and get gab it
I do, and then you aren't here on time.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I was here on time.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, but you're cutting it closed.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I was a little shocked that the show's already starting.
I had something to make you here in the station,
very very We work with great people.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You are such a politician. You're gripping and grinned people
all the time.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I would suggest that it's not authentic that I'm a politician.
I'm just I'm just a social person, and we work
with great people here.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You know I had a conversation you that printer.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I don't blame me. Do not blame it on the printer.
I just don't do that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well I just did.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
All right, Well, we've got a lot of things to
talk about today. Larry David, who created helped create Seinfeld,
wrote an op ed piece today in The New York Times,
going after Bill Maher for his meeting with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, it's a pretty despicable way to do it. The
weirdest thing about about Larry David is I love his
show Kirby Your Enthusiasm, because you know, he's he just
keeps walking through life, offending everybody when he's not trying to,
and the character is amusing.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I actually, you know what, I actually do identify with
that show because I do find that there's times where
he's just trying to be honest, everybodys offending. But I
find that character to be great, and he writes that character,
but in real life he is just the worst curmudgeon.
I mean this, this off ed in the New York
Times is a disgrace. It's a letter to Hitler. It's
a fictional letter to Hitler, and it's aimed squarely at
(01:40):
Bill Maher.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And he's using this And I think the Democrats and
those on the left love this because a lot of
people see this as he's now sending a message to
anybody out there on the on the political left who
meets with Donald Trump will have hell to pay.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, and Larry David thinks he's being cute and not
even cutie has thrown that show across the bow. My
dinner with Hitler is how it goes, and he uses
all the descriptions that Bill Maher used when he described
his dinner with the President, and he's doing it to
describe what it would be like if you were trying
to justify a dinner with Adolf Hitler. And it's not
(02:16):
just a shot at Bill Maher. It's, as you say, Rod,
it is meant to have a chilling effect to make
sure the left or anyone that's left of center doesn't
even attempt to find common ground with this man.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's amazing. So we'll talk about that big hearing today
before the Supreme Court on LGBTQ material in schools and
if parents can op their children out of storytime and
looking at these books. A little bit later on Anthony Fauci, Oh,
what a wonderful name. The little mad Scientist. Yes, apparently
has been raking in a lot of money since his retirement.
(02:50):
We'll get into that. And that's just the first hour
of this show. So we invite you to be with
us today. A lot to get to. All right, let's
talk about this letter. Larry David op ed piece the
guest as today in the New York Times talking about
my dinner with Adolf Hitler. It was a shot at
Bill Maher and basically saying, anybody who wants to do
what mar did in going to the White House and
(03:11):
meeting with Donald Trump shouldn't do that. It was a
threat to anybody out there trying to meet with the president.
Now I want to take you back. This is Bill
Maher about a week after he met with the President,
talking about his meeting with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
To all the people who treated this like it was
some kind of summit meeting, You're ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Look, I was going to sign a treaty or something.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That I haven't. I have no power comedian.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
And he's the most powerful.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Leader in the world. Meet up in person, maybe it'll
be different.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Spoiler alert. It was so no. I didn't go maga,
And to.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
The President's credit, there was no pressure.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Too, just for starters.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
He laughs.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, and Bill Maher knows he's not going to back
down being critical of the President. But he did have
a meeting with him. So they understand each other. They
get to know each other, and they know where they're
coming from.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And I also thought that he said where he could
maybe rib him or kind of shoot back some differing opinions,
he felt more comfortable doing that with President Trump than
he would have Biden or Oba Obama, that that relationship
is more formal and more rigid, but that he could
actually push back a little bit. And he laughed, he said,
the President laughed. And so I think that he's I
(04:30):
think that is the one thing that needs to happen
if we want to see a president that is willing
to work with those who don't agree with his worldview
or everything he's doing is to find common ground. But
you have to He's a human being, and they don't
want to humanize him. They want to make him. They
want to make him the worst of the worst. And
the problem is, I think the American people have just
had it. I mean, I just think it's why the
(04:50):
I just think that it's it just bounces off people
now they don't listen to the criticism any long.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well here's how Scott Jennings on CNN responded to what
Larry David wrote.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
And the message of this is not to because Bill
maher totally great, He's totally in the right to do it,
and I loved his monologue, even though I disagree with
most everything he believes politically. He was right to do
this and he was right to speak out about it.
But this isn't about that dinner. It's about the next one.
Because this is the modern left. It's an attempt always
to intimidate people into not ever doing it again.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's to silence yourselves, or we'll do it for you.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
That's the purpose of this op ed, so that the
next comedian or the next person on the American left
chooses not to speak to Donald Trump. This isn't This
is all an effort to get people not to do
what you just said, which is to talk to each
other in our political leader.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I guess is Bill Maher is not going to be silenced.
He doesn't know, and I don't think he'll be silent.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Guys like Larry David have miscalculated if they think they're
going to intimidate him into compliance. I think he'll I
think he'll lean in on that. I have found him
to just he has spotted. He's a leftist, but he
has spotted where they have just gone too far, and
he's been willing to call it out Prior to even
that that, you know, meeting or dinner with Trump.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Even attorney Dan Abrams, who has a show I think
on MSNBC or one of those what those networks, was
on that CNN panel last night. Here's what he said.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
I'm so with Bill Maher on this one because I
think that if people like Bill Maher can't go and
talk to Donald Trump, we are we are really messed
up now because think about it, now, he's still going
to go and criticize Donald Trump, right, he just has
a little more credibility when he's doing it. And the
(06:31):
notion when you start bringing in Hitler, right, you know
you've lost the argument. Anytime anyone invokes Hitler right and
makes the comparison, you're going to lose.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think the American people are so sick and tired
of this messaging. He's a fascist, he's a Nazi, he's Hitler.
I mean, the American people realize, you know, stop the
name calling Democrats because it's not getting you anywhere. Maybe
with your base, but I would imagine your base is
even getting tired of this.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I would think, and I would think anyone who has
family members who were victims of this Holocaust and Nazi Germany,
and it should be appropriately offended by any comparison, any
loose comparison to the horrors that was Nazi Germany with
this president or anything else you're trying to compare it,
to be careful what you're making a comparison out it,
(07:16):
because what you end up doing is mightily disrespecting and
demeaning the horror that was the Holocaust, the horror that
was Adolf Hitler, the evil that was the Nazis. And
when you just want to compare it to every political
opponent you don't agree with, you're actually attacking a time
and history that should be given a lot more respect.
(07:37):
And we should be taking a lot more seriously.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
With the criticism that Margot for doing this. Do you
think anyone else on the left is going to be
willing to sit down with Donald?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
True, you've got to be tough. I think a lot
of these guys live and breathe by whatever people think
of them. The other people's opinions of them is their
opinion of themselves. And if you're going to get grief,
you just as soon avoid it. I think it takes
a certain type a person like a Bill Maher, and
there's others like it that when you push them, they're
just going to push harder. They're not going to get pushed.
(08:06):
That's true, but I think I think a lot of
our entertainment or even news people will avoid these moments
of trying to reach out. I'll talk to Trump, because
they don't want to be treated.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The way Bill Maher was.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bill Maher was in the way Larry David's describing him.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
All Right, We've got a lot to come next. A
battleover parents' rights before the US Supreme Court today. We'll
talk about that next right here on the Tuesday edition
of The Rod and Greg Show. Do you know I
spent eight years of my broadcasting career in television. Yes,
funny things happen on live televisions, but I have never
seen this happen before. Now we're going to let you
(08:41):
listen to what happened last night on the NBA broadcast
with Shaq. Shaq had a moment that he needed to
deal with, and we'll get into that a little bit
later on in the show, because you will laugh.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We laughed this morning at our morning meeting as we
listen to this. It's hilary, folks, So we'll do that.
But moving on very important to hearing today before the
US Supreme Court, and it appears the Court may likely
rule in favor of parents. That would be a first.
Joining us on our Newspager line to talk about that.
(09:15):
It's Terry Shilling, president of the American Principles Project. Terry,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?
Speaker 9 (09:20):
Terry, Hey, Rod, thank you so much for having me
and Greg. Good to hear your voice too.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's Terry. Terry tell people what went on before the
Supreme Court today and why you're kind optimistic as to
what the end result may be.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
Well, so again, thank you so much for having me. So,
the Supreme Court today is hearing a case called My
Mood Versus Taylor, and it deals with Montgomery County, Maryland
and the curriculum there. So there are these we all
know that there are these sexually explicit books that are
in elementary and grade school and middle schools all over
(09:55):
the country. Well, parents in Montgomery County wanted to opt
their children out of these reading programs and they didn't
want their children exposed to it. Well, the school initially
allowed the parents to opt out, but then renigged and
came back and said no, we're not gonna let this
let you, let you opt your kids out. You either
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have to choose to allow your kids to come here
and have the full thing or nothing at all. And
they're before the Supreme Court today, and I'm optimistic that
we're gonna win because for lots of reasons. One Supreme
Court's been on a role lately. They've been supporting parental rights,
and they overturned Dobs. I mean that decision alone gives
us hope for the future. But the line of question today,
(10:39):
especially from Brick Havanaugh, was fantastic parents. Obviously these are
It's not even a religious factor. It's not a First
Amendment case. This is a parental rights case. Parents have
a right to direct the upbringing of their kids education.
It starts in the home, and we loan our children
to these schools to teach them how to do maths
and how to read, how to write. But the other
(11:01):
reason I'm super optimistic is because today on Martha McCallum show,
you guys, she's a Fox News ghost. Yeah, you guys
know Randy Winingarten, right, she's the head of the teacher.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Unfortunately, yes, we do know who she is.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
Well, Well, here here here's something that might shock you.
Randy Weingarten on that show today on Fox News told
millions of people across the country that even she would
not be reading these types of books to children that
are four, five and six years old in school. She's
a radical liberal, radical progressive and these books are too
(11:37):
extreme for her. So even when Randy Winegarten is on
your side, you have to think that this is going
to be a seven to two, eight to one, possibly
a nine to zero victory for parent to rights here
at the Supreme Court. I'm just I'm optimistic. I think
we'll at least get a five to four, but I
think it'll be a whole lot higher number if if
Randy Winegarden is even on our side.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That is actually an incredibly tell. That's a whether that
I wasn't expecting to hear from. Let me ask you
this because as you're describing this and it's a parental
rights issue, what I my mind keeps going back to
is during the Biden administration, there was a memo put
out by I think Homeland Security identifying potential domestic terrorists
as parents at parents attending school board meetings who are
(12:19):
angry or upset with what's happening inside their school, and
they were categorizing these parents as a potential harm domestically
and capable of potentially committing violence. Did that example? I mean,
the reason why you want to get parental rights the
right and you want to do it the right way
is you would never want a conscientious parent who's involved,
which is what we need more of to ever be
(12:40):
described this way. Did that example come up at all
in the questions and answers?
Speaker 9 (12:45):
You know it may have greg. To be honest, I
was in and out of meeting today. I tuned in
to the hearings, but I do want to say that
I think that everyone, especially the Supreme Court, is sick
and tired of this fake AstroTurf war that's been waged
between parents and teachers. Right, the vast majority teachers are good,
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They want to be partners in the kids' education. The
vast majority of parents want to do the same thing.
That we're not against each other. And these elites in
the teachers unions and in the left, they want to
pit teachers against parents. They think they actually believe this
small group of people that control so much of education
policy in America, they don't think that parents should be
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telling schools what to teach. But if you talk to
the average teacher in public schools or not, they will
tell you that they want a partnership with the parents.
They want to be working with the parents. And that's
how it was when I was growing up. I'm sure
it was with you guys too. If you got in
trouble at school, your parents were coming down on you first,
and then they let you hear they bear you out right,
(13:51):
and if you had an actual case. In my case,
my parents always sided with the teacher. And guess what,
they were always right.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Because I was a bad kid.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
So I will to tell you I hate this whole
parents are domestic terrorists. Parents should be telling school to
teach because it's not just harmful to parents, it gives
teachers a bad reputation. It makes parents think that teachers
are have to get them. The vast majority of teachers
out in this country, they don't want to teach this
crazy stuff. They're afraid to speak up because they'll get
punished by their you know, the unions. They only represent
(14:23):
the problematic employees.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Right.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
I'm sorry, you guys got me on a hot hot roll.
This is something I care very passionately about. But I'm
very optimist we're gonna win. I'm optimistically gonna get back
to some normalcy where parents and teachers work together so
that we don't have illiterate kids who don't know how
to do maths. I'm very optimistic in the future of America.
I think we really turned a huge corner.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, we can only hope and Terry, by the way,
I went to eight years of parochial school. The nuns
would whacky anytime they felt like it, and I'd get
home complain to my mom and the nuns would say
or my mom would say, well, they should have hit
you harder. That's the way it went.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Derey for me. My kids are adults now, but I
was a on the side of the school. But when
I was a kid, I demanded my mother be on
my side. They were just lying. All those teachers and
principals are lying, just through their teeth when I was
a kid. But you know, well, Terry's.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
Story, true story. My eight year old kid. Just last week,
So the teacher threw a chalk eraser at one of
the kids, and he was all said about and I said, well,
what did that? What was that kid doing? You know,
the teacher, the driver that nuts. That's how it is,
and that kids are always going to cause problems, but
they need discipline and that's what parents are here for,
(15:31):
and the teachers need to help the parents.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Do this job.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Amen too. That Terry is always great chatting with you.
We'll look for that hearing probably the end of June.
Thanks Terry, Thank you, guys. Thank you. Terry Shilling, president
of the American Principles Project, talking about the hearing before
the Supreme Court today. All Right, Moore coming up on
the Rotten Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five
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Speaker 2 (15:51):
Because you told me right before we came you talk
you complained about it. I'm not in a studio rady
for the show to start. You're like, ooh, and you
dive for that the TV screen think and I think
it's breaking news because we usually have the Fox News
channel playing. But my shoulder, so the ooh and the
grabbing of.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, it's the playoffs. I wanted to see if there's a.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Scorn and who cares it's I'm expecting, like, you know,
we've got a piece of cors. You know, we've got
Israel and and and you know, gazz of peace in
our time or something. I look over it's just hockey.
So yeah, can it threw me off? I'm just like,
are you kidding me? That's not that's not worthy of
(16:30):
a ooh and a diving at the remote control.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You don't whine like this all day to day because
I've got some chees I can get for you as well.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I'm not whining. I'm just say you did catch me
a little flat footed, because you know you're this excited
about the first round of the hockey playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, it was about a couple of years ago doctor
Anthony Fauci resigned or retired, right, Yes, Well, since that retirement,
old Anthony has raised and brought in a little bit
of cash.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's a good gig if you can get it, That's
what I'm saying. I don't know how public employee of
all these years gets to make in the mills now
millions to.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
The tune of three point five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think it's a retirement.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Couldn't be well. Joining us on our Newsmaker line to
talk about that is an Amber tutorof She's deputy policy
editor at Open the Books. They've been digging into it Amber,
thanks for joining us today. How to get a hold
of so much money?
Speaker 10 (17:22):
So Che's income had already gone up substantially throughout the
COVID pandemic, basically through the increase in his stock market portfolio.
But after he left, it's been very interesting that we
went up three point five million dollars and we saw
at least one point two million indirect deposits into his
(17:46):
bank accounts, and that could be from his book deal.
There was one big seven hundred thousand dollars deposit, but
he also won several large prizes from university and had
many big speaking gigs with trade organizations, with the pharmaceutical industry.
(18:07):
So who knows. We don't know exactly where this money
came from. We just know that he got substantial deposits
and the line went up about three point five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, the fear is that his financial gain may have
come from whatever research, whatever grants he was able to
marshal to the even the lab Wuhan lab that created
this coronavirus or let it leak. So it's almost like
it would be insult to terrible injury that he was
financially rewarded for. You know, the the type of research
(18:42):
they were doing, and that he was hiding all along.
My question is how are you able to find the
information about his financial circumstances where we know that from
his book deal and what other deposits he's making. How
is that available? Because that is interesting to see those
numbers go up.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
So you can request the financial disclosures of many high
ranking and important figures within the Health and Human Services Agency.
So in the past we had requested Fauci's numbers, but
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Fauci's wife still worked at the NIH. She was the
chief bio bioethicist of the NIH for many decades and
she continued to work there after Fauci's retirement, and so
we requested her financial disclosures this year and that she
(19:42):
also reported Fauci's income as well, because they have some
shared accounts and such. So that's how we got it,
and that's what.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It showed amber what kind of what kind of groups
is he speaking in front of? I mean, what kind
of groups want to hear from this guy?
Speaker 11 (19:59):
Well?
Speaker 10 (20:00):
Really interesting. So one of them was the National Association
Association of Chain drug Stores, which is a trade association
uh the American Health Insurance Plans, another trade Association World
quant a quantitative asset manage management firm, and a bunch
of universities, and then something called the Japan Medical Congress,
(20:25):
which is a major medical conference held in Japan every
four years. And to your points, I mean the national
I would assume that chain drug stores profited from COVID vaccines.
COVID vaccine mandates that Fauci advocated during his time as
(20:45):
the leader of the NIAID, So it is kind of
interesting that they are having him speak. We don't know
how much he was given for his U speeches because
it doesn't say, but we assume that he was paid
for the speeches.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
The areas of credibility where I thought he really failed
initially during as COVID started to you know, unfold, was
one where they were saying, don't use them, you don't
need masks. They changed that story that they did, saying, well,
we didn't want to have a run on masks. Second
was when they're that you saw the Antifa or the
BLM riots. He said while they were closing churches and
(21:22):
other in schools, that they was fine to be able
to politically protest, that those those meeting like that would
would be just fine. So his credibility is weak for
a lot of people. And then as we get more
information in hindsight, I would be very surprised if he
is still seeing this money train that you're reporting. Is
is this an ongoing income that you're seeing from speeches
(21:43):
or from his interactions with pharmaceutical companies or was these
are these one time payments for a job well done
for their industries.
Speaker 10 (21:53):
Well, we don't exactly know. We know that he is
continuing to give speeches. He is with a company that
contracts out prominent people to give speeches, and he's continuing
to do some that have been reported this year. But
what's sort of well, it's good for the American people.
(22:15):
His wife was fired by RFK earlier this month, so
and she was also, you know, in lockstep with Fauci
in terms of advocating for his mandates, advocating that people
lose their job unless they take the vaccines and and
those sorts of policies. This is the NIH chief bioethicist.
(22:42):
So unfortunately she has left the agency now and we
will not be able to get her financial disclosures anymore
now that she won't be filing them. So yeah, this
might be our last look at how she's finance, at
least in such granular details we were able to get
from the agency documents.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Amber, final question for you, what about his security detail?
Because he was given a security detail for quite some time,
costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. Does he still
have it or has that been taken away by Donald Trump?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (23:15):
So open the books, and our partner journalist Jordan Shackel,
found that he did get a security detail worth fifteen
million dollars from the time of his retirement in January
twenty twenty three until at least September twenty twenty four.
We do not know if that was if that was
(23:38):
extended further, but we assumed that it was because Donald
Trump did end his security and talked about it after
he assumed office. He said, fat, she has made a
lot of money and he does not need taxpayer funded
US Marshall security anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Amber, Thank you, Amber tudor Off. She is with the
open the books talking about the money that Anthony thout
she has raked in and he's raked in.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And the missus it turned to fine your income family
there and the mill, the mill multiple million. We're having
an artistic difference in the show. I have a I
have a journey. I'd like to take plays and gentlemen,
I'd like us all we go on. And he doesn't
want to go there. And I'm telling you, it's timely news,
(24:23):
it's breaking news. And he's just he just has this.
He just has his block. He doesn't want to talk
about it. But I'm going to win.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I'm gonna We'll see, we'll see. Well, speaking of winning, uh,
are those Democrats still still down in uh? El Salvador.
I couldn't find Garcia out of jail. This is this
is why they're still there.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Well, I don't know they said that that what was
their name, Max? That Congressman Dexter, I think her name
is she? She says, I'm staying till he's like a police.
Well with a four person majority in the House of Representatives,
for all Democrats that want to stay in El Salvador,
I hope you stay there for the rest of this
Garcia's born days, Yes, stay there forever. Yeah, and give
us a greater majority in the House.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, the the Republican the Senate. The Republicans in the
Senate have now developed a new ad about Democrats going
to El Salvador. You may enjoy this Welcome to L Salvador,
home to breathtaking sunsets, world class surf breaks, and gangbanger
kilmer Abrego Garcia.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
L Salvador is the destination for Democrats seeking the thrill
of bringing violent, criminal, illegal aliens back to America. Come
witness Trump derangement syndrome in its purest form, from Chris
van Holland to Corey Booker. You may even see John Ossa.
So what are you waiting for? Senate Democrats? Join your
(25:50):
colleagues and step into the rhythm.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Of rescue today, the rhythm of rescue today in El Salvam.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I hope they're very catching commercial. Oh, I hope they
stay down there. Just stay with him, just to stick
with them.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
The president of El Salvador said he's not coming back,
He's not going to release him.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, well, let that happen. If every Democrat wants to
just you know, do a little you know, I don't
know what, just camp out there and protest, just go
just stay. I actually think the country gets a measurably
safer the more of them go down to Al Salvador.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
All right, coming up, you need a good laugh. One
of the funniest things. But I think we've all seen
on television in quite some time. He's coming up next.
Stay with us.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You're going to be kicking your heels Donald Trump. Hope, No,
don't get everyone excited. I wish, I wish we would
that be fun to have Trump co host the radio.
That'd be it would be a blast.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You wouldn't get a word edgewise.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, remember, yeah, I remember last year when I interviewed
him and you weren't here. Queen Bee was convinced. She's like,
I don't know how you're supposed to inter him. Between
the two of you trying to talk, there's just it's
just never going to work. And I'm like, no, I
will be really disciplined, and he was. I remember I was, yeah,
And I had just like I was just gonna let
them talk the whole time. But he just answered the
(27:11):
question and would finish it. So I got to ask
a few questions. But Queen Bee had no fake, no
confidence that the two of us that I could speak
with the president President Trump and have an interview format
because both of us talked too much. But we did it.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
It was well done. I remember that. Of course, of
course you didn't mention me. All right. We were talking
earlier about the amount of money that Anthony Fauci has
made his retirement him and his wife three point five
million dollars. Nice, not bad if you can, if you
can get it. Yeah, well what about you know, we're
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learning more and more about COVID, and there's a brand
new book out it's called The Abundance of Caution America Schools,
the Virus and the Story of Bad Decisions. The author
of that book is joining us on our show right now.
Dave's Wig. He's the author of the book. Dave, thanks
for joining us tonight. I want to ask you, first
of all, how many bad decisions were made during COVID.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
There certainly were, There was no shortage of poor decision
making during the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Here's the thing that I would hope with your book,
and with all this data and research that you're you're
going to that you're bringing to to the you know,
to the public square, I just don't feel like we've
learned enough. You're supposed to have twenty hindsight's supposed to
be twenty twenty. I want to know all about these
motorcycle fatalities that were COVID related. I want all of
those parts. Now. I want someone to tell me how
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in the world half the world was saying we got
to get these kids back in school so that they're
you know, their year over year progress isn't lost. But
in America, we were just going to keep these kids
and rooms by themselves isolated from the world. I want,
I want. I'm hoping that your book actually opens the
eyes of so many that we were so wrongly misled.
Maybe you could share with our listeners just examples of
(28:57):
some just shockers that we might have missed.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought this up. And you know,
the way you're framing it, I think is correct. And
the whole purpose of my book is to create a
historical document of what actually happened, rather than what I
believe is a sort of revisionist history that we're seeing
develop as these kind of narratives develop from the establishment,
(29:23):
where right now what we're hearing is, well, school closures
were regrettable, but an understandable thing, and you know, sort
of a fog of war. And what I show in
the book is that all of this information that schools
were safe, that mask mask mandates weren't really effective.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
You didn't need barriers on desks and all these other things.
This information was known in real time, and the book
is so the book is not a Monday morning quarterbacking.
It is not a retrospective look.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I show, like a TikTok chronology, here's what was known
at the time, and here's what was ignored or health
establishment and ignored by the legacy media.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You know, you were talking about a motorcycle deak.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
One of the interesting things that really has.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Not been widely reported that I show in the book
is thirty five point two percent of pediatric COVID deaths
were found in a study to have no connection, no
plausible connection to COVID being the underlying cause. And do
you know who published that study, the CDC, But no
one talks about this. So and that's just one of
(30:31):
the one of the many types of bombshells that I
have in my book that I think really really are
going to, as you said, open people's eyes to it
was actually happening. And even if people are cynical and
sort of thought me knew that a lot of you know,
things were going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
It's still it's going to.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Shock you, Dave. Why didn't more doctors speak up? I mean,
because you point out in your book that you were
contacted by a lot of doctors from around the country,
raising serious questions about what was going on, but nobody
wanted to speak up. Were they intimidated? Was it fear?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
What was it? Yeah, it's a really good question. So,
as you mentioned, that's right. In the book, I talk
about how all these people started reaching out to me,
including former CDC people, including physicians at these top medical institutions,
you know, top university hospitals in the country.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
And it's really two things. One is that people generally
tend to not want to be the outgroup.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And the fact of the matter is the pandemic response
was so politicized in America that even though there were
many physicians and others in public health who knew what
was going on was wrong. When they saw how kids
were suffering, they knew this wasn't even affected, It's not
even like they were suffering and there was a benefit.
They knew that this was wrong on multiple levels, scientifically
(31:52):
and morally.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
But they didn't want to say anything because they didn't
want to be in the outgroup.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I had one guy who went off talking to me
at a top university hospital and finally at the end
I said to him, well, what do your colleagues say
about this? And he said, oh, I don't mention this
at work. It's a total third rail. But I'll tell
you the other things. So that the biggest part is
a self censorship. But the other part is there were
numerous doctors who told me that they were censored, that
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they were told by their administrators at their institutions, do
not say anything about this.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
There was a.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Doctor who's at the pick you do you know what
that is, that's like the pediatric intensive care uses hospital.
So she had given a short interview to this. It
might have been like a trade publication. It was just
some small thing where she had told the person that
this was after the vaccine came out, and she said,
(32:46):
we've seen more young male like teenage male patients since
the vaccine has come out in the last couple months,
and we've seen COVID patients for an entire year.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
And this was just true't making a political statement.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
This is just the fact of what they were seeing
in their intensive care unit for you know, in the
hospital and her boss said, you are never allowed to
speak about this again.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
So this was what she called me. So these are the.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Things that people as again as cynical as some of
your listeners might be about this, they don't know the
half of it of what I show that went on
behind the scenes in my book.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
And the book isn't just about kind of like like
a gotcha on these things.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
It's what I'm trying to do is show how the
gears of society turn. How is it that this happened
something that was so manifestly crazy. It was so nuts
that you would have kids in California and other places
who didn't step foot into a classroom for more than
a year, while at the same time adults were going
to casinos.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
And going to bars and restaurants. It was so insane.
And my book is an attempt by me to explain
how does something this crazy actually happen?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You know, if I go back in time, this whole
flatten the curve. I had a physician, okay, and he's
a surgeon. He's very I mean well respected, and he
told me, is this was starting out, He said, Greg,
if you look at Italy, it isn't so much COVID itself.
It is that it is occupying every emergency room bed
in that country, to the point where if you have
a stroke, a heart attack, some real emergency, there's no
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there's no capacity for those, you know, those emergencies, because
so many beds are being taken up, and so if
everybody gets it at the same time, that's when our
emergency room beds get filled. So we have to just
slow it down. That's what this whole flattened the curve is.
You know, it made sense to me. I was, okay,
let's do it. That curve never goes away, we never
get to come back outside again. I hear later that
(34:49):
maybe a lot of people never thought that that flattened
the curve of ten days was ever going to just
last ten days. But then you add bizarre messaging like
like you pointed out BLM riot fine getting together to
go to church, Now you can't do it. There just
seemed to be And again I even watched a press
conference that Governor then then Governor Cuomo said, if I knew,
(35:11):
and this was about a month into it, that people
of different ages and different comorbidities and different if I
knew that putting them all together. Telling everyone to be
together was going to be more dangerous. I would I
wouldn't do it the way we've done it.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
And exactly what I do.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I mean when you're talking about the flat and the curve,
I have the whole beginning of my book starts at
the beginning of the pandemic, and I delve into how
were these models created?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
You know, everyone can visualize in their mind now.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
I'm sure the flat and the curve meme where it's like,
if everyone just listens to us and follows.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Orders, then look at this. There's a gentle slope and
the cases don't like.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
But if you don't listen to us, there's a huge
spike and two million people are going to die within
a few months. And what I show is that those
models that they were creating were basically built on completely
made up figures.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
David, thanks for joining us. That's David Zwig. He's got
a brand new book out called An Abundance of Caution,
American Schools, The Virus and the Story of Bad Decisions.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
He's going to be a lot of things read.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
A lot of bad decisions made out there weren't.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
There it really was, and a lot to learn and look,
I think that I think the polls are showing at
this generation Z, these young people that live through this,
they are now identifying right of center that eighteen to
twenty one year old girls women are plus four Republican.
Right now, that's the women. I mean, I'm telling you
that is a shift that Democrats must be dying. I
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don't think that there's ever been a poll that shown
eighteen to twenty one year olds identifying with Republicans. I
think this is like the first you can point to this.
The moments in this book that this book highlights is
where these kids start figuring out, this is a heavy
handed government that's taken away my life.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
More coming up the Rod and Greg Show, Talk Radio
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Speaker 2 (36:53):
I was hipped to B Square. I was exactly as
Huey Lewis called it out.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Okay, all right, we just saw some video posted on
X where you've got all these huge gas guzzling four
by fours pickup trucks, big SUVs lining up in front
of a Tesla dealership, whether Trump flagged or American flag,
all there to protect the Teslas.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I gotta admit I've been really disarmed on the whole
electric vehicle. Now that I see the left attacking those
electric vehicles, it makes me defensive of them. So I
can see why all those trucks are those combustible engines
are protecting a Tesla dealership.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
You gotta hear this. I've wanted to play this all day.
This is Elizabeth Warren. She was on a podcast and
the podcaster nailed her basically when he said, what you
stood up for Joe Biden? Then you change your tune?
What happened?
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Do you regret saying that President Biden had a mental acuity,
He had a sharpness to him. You said that up
until July of last year. I said, what I believe
to be true. Do you think he was as sharp
as you?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Crickets?
Speaker 11 (38:00):
I said, I had not seen decline, and I hadn't
at that point.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
You did not see any decline from twenty twenty four
Joe Biden to twenty twenty one Joe Biden.
Speaker 12 (38:13):
When I said that, he said, the thing is he look,
he was sharp, he was on his feet. I saw
him live event, I had meetings with him a couple
of times.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Senator on his feet is not praise. He can speak
in sentences is not praise.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Fair enough, fair enough, Look it is the question is
what are we going to do now?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Did she avoid that?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Well?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Did she tried? She felt miserably.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
This couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
When you lie for a living of long form podcast
is not your gig. No, you cannot go on there.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
No you cannot loved it. Well, we've had fun today.
We'll be back Tomorrow's singing man Wednesday tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
We Yeah, you got me away from my article. I
want to talk about again.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Today, bring it up tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh my gosh, you vatare this this item? Every show?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Hand up, children's back, My God, to lest you and
your family, This great country of ours will talk to
you tomorrow at four
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