The Rod and Greg Show: Senator Mike Lee on Judicial Interference in Trump's Agenda; Trump's "Vibe" is Spreading

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everybody. I'm rod Oarquet.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Great to be with you on this Tuesday. We had
a great time yesterday up at Minky Cotour's. Had a
lot of fun yesterday. Yes, Greg is still licking his
wounds after he lost our debate over the Super Bowl halftime.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Sure, we had a lot of young people employees at
Making Coatur that had my back. It was very close race,
closer than one would believe, right close race neck and neck.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, well, we've got a lot to get to today.
Elon Musk showed up at the Oval office today with
Donald Trump and they talked about DOGE and what they're
trying to do, and it's just it's enlightening to listen
to these two men talk about. Look, we're just trying
to find waste and abuse in the government. That's what
voters asked us to do, and that's what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
So I'm not one of my superpowers, or I thought
was one of my superpowers, is I don't get jealous
very often. I really don't. I don't get jealous. I'm
genuinely happy for people. I am genuinely happy for our president.
I'm happy for America. I don't get jealous, but I
fancied myself as an aspiring disruptor when I was in
public service. When I see President Trump in the Oval Office,

(01:08):
hit behind his desk, and I see Elon Musk standing
there with his T shirt and his jacket over and
his Make America Great dark hat on, and then his
little boy and his jacket. He's on his shoulders. He's
running around and he's talking to the press. That is
a disruptor. We're seeing disruption over the over the establishment.
Like like I couldn't dream, like I couldn't fathom. I

(01:29):
didn't I didn't think images that I'm seeing, or discussions
that I'm hearing, and questions I'm hearing asked and answers
coming back. I never thought. I really didn't think it
would get this good or disrupted this much. And so
I find myself watching this going. Man, I was nothing.
I was a cog and a machine. I was I
was a loser. I did nothing in my time because

(01:52):
I never had Elon Musk send standing next to me
talking about Utah State government and just turning the world
upside down, pulling back the curtain, showing it all to
the world it's so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I tried. I can't even get close to this. I
am a shell of a man.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
We're going to talk to Mike Lee here in about
a half hour about this. But I was listening the
other night. I can't remember if it was last night
or the night before. And I brought this up earlier today,
Greg in our show meeting today, Jesse made a very
good point. This out of control, wasteful spending has been
going on for a long long time. Why didn't anybody,

(02:27):
and those those on the right or the left say,
wait a minute, we've got to stop this. What intarnations
is going on?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And they haven't, Jennet yelling, you are the secretary of Treasury,
what were you doing on your watch? Because this you
are sending out payments to people that aren't alive, to
known terrorist organizations. You were sending out treasury checks to
people that had no business getting our tax payer money.
And it's a disgrace. And like you said, it was

(02:56):
almost like they were just changing jerseys. If Republicans got in, Well,
let's let's flip the jersey over. Okay, Now we're a Republican, Okay, Now,
Democrats and let's flip that jersey over. Now we're a Republican.
They were flipping jerseys back and forth. Well, we're seeing
right now. This is disrupting. This is absolutely uncovering things
that the American people didn't know. And the amazing part

(03:16):
about us AID is it was by accident. They weren't
after it when they walked into Treasury. They wanted to
do a simple audit of those entities that are receiving
money to see if they were complying with the new
executive orders that President trumpet signed. They get the USAI D,
they got a hundred points that they look at. They
filled ninety eight of the one hundred and they went huh,

(03:36):
and they looked, and they kept digging, and they kept
getting worse and worse and worse. They did not go
into Treasury looking for USAID and lo and behold, every
Democrat in the world thinks it's a constitutional crisis that
you would even look twice at USAID. There's your tell
something's up.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, and this wasteful spending. It really accelerated during the
Biden years. All right, I think we can agree on that.
But didn't it didn't start in the like you said,
it's and we've had Republican administrations, we've had democratic administrations,
and who on earth has ever said, you know, let's
open the books and just take a look and to

(04:14):
see what's going on. Well, the thing they didn't do it, Greg,
So you know, yes, we can be mad at the
Democrats and the USA I D and the wasteful spending,
but I'd be mad at all of Washington because somebody
somewhere should have said enough, let's take a look at
where this money is going.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
So Senator Jenny Yarn said, you know, I asked, I
sent a Congress. I sent a letter saying we want
to see your books, and they said no, Okay, then
there should have been.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
A follow up. Why didn't you I want to say.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
That too loud, because we would have thought you'd have
a follow up to know. I mean, no, that's the
final answer to Congress.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
No.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
And Marco Rubil sent the same letter. He got the
same thing. We are in cooperating, and he goes, oh.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I know, I'm saying, you know, you guys shouldn't that's
probably something you shouldn't say aloud, be because we the
American people would think that you would jealously guard your
separated and equal powers, and you are the appropriators, and
so that money is the money you're supposed to appropriate
when they tell you no, the food chains all off here, Okay,
it's just all off. There is no no to Congress

(05:18):
on federal spending. It shouldn't be anyway. I'm telling you,
I think you're I just did not start. In the
last four years. It's accelerated. I think the Obama years
is where we started to see this real acceleration. And
no more switching jerseys. We're gonna stay in charge. Yeah,
we're not letting the uniparty here and letting the demo
Republicans share in our little booty and our stolen plunder

(05:41):
that we've taken from the public treasury. We're not going
to share anymore. And I think I think I just
paved the way for the outsider of Trump to come in.
And I almost feel like this is a same man.
But this administration, the beginning of this doesn't feel anything
like the first term in a good way. In a
good way, I really feel like the change we are

(06:01):
in the midst of it's more than I ever thought
we'd see.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, well listen to this now. Mark Helprin, who has
done a lot of great work over the last several months.
I mean we ran into him at the Republican National Convention.
Remember he was the one who broke the story as
to Biden stepping out, Kamalas stepping in. Right, Well, he's
looked at this administration.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Listen to what he had to say Greg about what
Trump is doing.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Mark Alprin's been a lot around a long long time.
But he said, I think it was newsmaxs or News
Nation last night. He has never seen anything like this before.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
This is a unique presidency for so many reasons, and
we're seeing the manifestation of that now. It's in some
ways like a first term presidency. He's coming in starting
this term with much more energy, momentum, newness, and arrested staff.
That's not like a second term president, right. You think

(06:56):
about the first weeks of the second term of Clinton,
Bush and Obama.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
But it's nothing like this for obvious reasons.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
But but it's also is the second term presidency in
the sense that he's he's experienced, he knows more about
how to do the job and what he wants, and
he also had four years off when he wasn't sitting
in courtrooms or being shot at.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
He had a lot of time.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
To think about how he wanted to do this job
and and how to enact a revolution, and and and
you know, the theater of it and the personality and
the and the historical narrative arc are all of course
super compelling. But what matters is the real lives of
real people and the impact this is going to have
on not just American government and the world, but American history.

(07:43):
And I think on that score, based on the you know,
the early returns here after a couple of weeks, this
turns the Reagan Revolution into a joke.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well that's an amazing statement. This turns the Reagan Revolution
into a joke. Uh, this is a revolution that is
taking place right now.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It is and I and where the Democrats have chosen
to draw the line. You know, you're trying to get
rid of the illegal aliens that have raped and murdered people. Well,
you can't do that. We're too compassioned to do that.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
American people are just thinking, huh, what are you talking about.
We're finding waste, fraud, and abuse and money being profiteers
everywhere domestically overseas, they're everywhere. How dare you look? How
dare you look at that up? Look that up? That's privacy.
That's that's someone's private, private information. They like the lead,
they like plundering without you knowing about it. That's kind

(08:37):
of their point, right, The robber barons don't want to
be known, and that's that's that's who the Democrats are defending,
and they get the talking points. It's a constitutional crisis now, Rod,
I don't know if you've heard it, but I've heard
it now for about ten talking heads within the last
twenty four hours or forty eight hours. We're now in
a constitutional crisis constitution. Just like we were saving democracy,
we're now in a constitutional crisis because the curtains getting

(08:58):
pulled back and they're robbing of the public. Treasury is
being exposed, discovered.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeap exposed. All right, when we come back, we'll talk
more about what Elon Musk and the President had to
say and an impromptu news conference in the Oval Office.
He was there with this little boy, and his little
boy really didn't care. Now we're talking about Musk, but
it was great. We'll talk about that. Mike Lee will
join us coming up at the bottom of the hour
right here on the rod, and Greg showed great to
have you along for the ride on this Tuesday afternoon.

(09:26):
All right, Greg Elon Musk showed up in the Oval
office today, He sure did, and his traditional black attire.
As I said the beginning of your son.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
He's got a dark Maga hat on. He's got his
T shirt and over his black overcoat and ready to go.
And that this kid of his is so cute and
he's just run around. He's on his shoulder. Sometimes it's
actually a surreal visually, it's so hard to see that
this is going on. And then the media is there
and everyone else. But I think what he says at
the beginning of this uh, where they're asking him what

(09:56):
what he's up to, what he's doing, He tries to
frame this this whole effort of trying to locate, you know, fraud,
waste abuse, try to find efficiency's trying to reduce this
deficit we have and cut spending. It's worth hearing this out.
It's about thirty seconds here we go.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
In order to cut the budget depth sit in half
from two trillion to one trillion. And it's really two
things competence and carrying, and if you add competence and carring,
you'll cut the budget debth sit in half. And I
fully expect to be scrutinized and get you a daily
proctology exam basically my Solt's camp out there.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Look, he gets into far more detail in this press conference,
and he talks about where they can locate and identify
this cut, the saving of waste and money that's going
out that has no business to go out. He talks
about that. You know, if you have tax payers and
they are not given a tax increase, but they can
do well, the economy does well, they're cutting a half,
they're cutting a t brillion. Your two trillion dollar deficit

(11:02):
we have right now could be overcome. And that that
is what holds inflation. If you're not printing more money
than you know, then it's worth So it's it's I mean,
but competence and caring is actually the part that it
sounds easy to say. Go find it in the bet
way in the swamp. They don't care.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, how many times, how many times Greg, have we
heard Steve Moore, economic advisor to President's trug come on
the show and he'll probably say it again this week.
If we ask him, the way it cuts inflation is
to stop government spending. He has said it time and
time again. And I love what Elon said today. Competent

(11:41):
and caring. First of all, are you competent to do
the job? But the better part of that, I think,
do you care that you're spending taxpayer money? I mean,
it's not your money, it's taxpayer money that you're spending
on some of these ridiculous ideas. And do you care?
And I think there are I'm not blaming every federal employee,

(12:02):
but there are some who don't care because they don't
feel the hurt that the American taxpayer is fiel And you.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Know, Elon said over the weekend because he works weekends.
By the way, he's working all day, all night. He's
working on without and he posts this. Someone asked a
question this like, how can they let this happen? He said,
you have to know we're meeting the middle, the management,
the people that are there. They've been wanting to do
this for years. They've been their whole careers. They've wanted
to do this, and they've not had management that has

(12:28):
ever supported them because they were complaint driven, meaning they
didn't want. They wanted to minimize any complaints about Treasury,
and the way to do that is that you you say.
Elon says, those that are demanding payment and don't get it,
especially fraudsters, will scream and yell and be very loud. Well,
to keep them from screaming and complaining, pay them, he'll
be quiet. Yeah. And so they've been. They haven't had

(12:49):
a they've had a management culture there where they want
no complaints. And the way to have no complaints is
to pay anyone who asks without without Social Security numbers,
without an numbers, without a temporary ID numbers. They're just
put there pushing out the payments. And so he says
that the hard working people of Treasury have won is
a long time.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah. Well, and he was saying, I think during this
news conference today as well, Greg, he was amazed, and
I think that's the term he used at the number
of federal employees in this country who are now making
more than six figures yeah a year. And he said,
what was wrong if that? I mean, we're making six
figures or more working for the federal government. I don't

(13:31):
think the government was designed that way. Was the government
used to be good benefits, good Benny's.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
But you know the.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Right, Yeah, not anymore. I mean he really he just
said he was amazed. Oh, by the way, we talked
about this a little bit yesterday, Greg plastic straws.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
The President says, okay, we're bringing them back. Okay, you
don't have to worry about that paper. But then you
know what all seed's doing. What high flow toilets and
incandescent likeness. Oh, they are coming back.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
According to Prey Trump, these low flow toilets are the
bane of my life. Maybe that's too much information that
you had a flush those eight thousand times. There's no
water being saved in a low flow toilet. That is
the biggest scam known de man. Yeah, well, prank goodness.
I love this president. Well I'm not alone. I don't
even care what else happens. I'm playing with house money
now that he's getting rid of the low flow toilets, hallelujah.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah. Well, apparently the typical American toilet used an average
of three point five gallons per flush. I realized that
in twenty seventeen, the EPA estimated that the average American
family could reduce its water used by twenty percent to
sixty percent per year saving if they enacted the new

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toilet flow regulations.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
By check out a flush him three times to get
out of there. So yeah, no, no, it never did.
It was false economy, false economy.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Donald Trump said today, we're doing away with plastic straws,
We're doing away with the low float toilets, and the
light bulbs are coming back. Good sense, I think, is
what they call this.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
It does, it does. It just feels like it's just
it's beyond my By the way, I don't know if
you know this, but AOC back in twenty twenty three,
she was telling the Biden administration they should ignore the court,
she thought, because there was some courts that were making
some decisions on Dodd and they were somewhere looking at
the abortion pill in Texas. Judge was saying, we don't

(15:23):
know how to move forward on that, and AOC was like,
just ignore them, ignore the court. Well, isn't it interesting?
So why can't I mean, why don't we just use her?
She says, ignore the court.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Isn't it interesting that they're now calling this a constitutional crisis?

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, but Joe Biden ignored the Supreme Court when it
came to student loan forgiveness. No one called that a
constitutional crisis, but he ignored it and went had and
did it anyway.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Is it amazing?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
It curious? All right? Bore coming up on the Rod
in Greg Show. You tossed under Remike Lee's schedule to
join us. Coming up, great to be with you. I'm
Rod Arquette, I'm citizen in Hughes and it is the
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Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's you know what, you know, what happened to meet
in my car the other day? What I got my
map app on and I'm trying to listen to on
you know one on five nine cars. Yea, it keeps
going to my bluetooth. It keeps going back to my phone.
So what do I do? I put the iHeart red.
It's like, okay, phone, if you want to cooperate with
my car, I'm gonna put it on the app. I
put on the app, I let the phone, I let

(16:28):
my radio alone, put it on my app on my
phone and I could listen to uninterrupted and you hit
the preset. Well, yeah, it's already hit.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's all right on number one.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Soon as I hit my heart it's on.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah. All right, We've got some breaking news just coming
across tonight, Greg. This just came down a federal appeals
court has rejected the Trump administration's bid to pursue a
lower court order that temporarily halted a massive freeze on
federal funding. So the Democrats can't win with voters, so
they're going to the courts, and the courts are blocked.

(17:00):
Sucking what Donald Trump wants to do?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Why can't they just go just just get to the
Supreme Court. You shouldn't have to go through court after court.
Just this is interrupting his job. He needs to be
able to get to the Supreme Court. They need to
make a decision. There's no there's no version of life
where a Democrat president and his cabinet secretaries, his or
her cabinet secretaries, and their their authority, constitutional authority would

(17:24):
be ever be challenged or ever be interrupted. They wouldn't
do it, No, they would It would never happen. So
they just got to get they got to stop the nonsense.
Go to the Supreme Court, create it I pray that
the Supreme Court precedent is in language broad enough that
it applies to all the onesie twosies that these guys
are trying to pull off to delay everything the man's

(17:44):
trying to do.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Sure are well. We had a chance to talk with
Utah Senator Mike Lee a short time ago, and we
asked him about the judicial interference that is taking place
to block Donald Trump from doing what he promised voters
he would do.

Speaker 8 (17:56):
Well, Look, this is unfolding on several different fronts. He's
got Judge Georgia O'Toole Junior at a last minute to
active judicial overreach to undermine the present's effort to streamline
and reform the blow of federal bureaucracy. This is one
of many examples we can point to of judicial activism
is getting in the way of effective governance and falsely
wrapping itself in the flag of the Constitution. This federal

(18:20):
judge in Boston said Monday that it will continue to
pause the Trump administration's plan to offer a deferred registration
buyout to tens of thousands of federal employees until the
issues are ruling on a preliminary in junction. Those who's
already seen sixty five thousand employees sign up. But unions
are challenging the plan in court, and so the really

(18:43):
delayed Trump's broader push that dismantled wasteful agencies like USAID
and CFPB. The legal battle is of course, far from over.
So you've got a separate front in New York with
Judge Paul Engelmeyer, who just forbade all political appointees, including
Treasury Secretary's Scott Best and from accessing Department of Treasury data.

(19:03):
Ruins four pages. It's boilerplates, generic language, it's zero substance
of legal analysis, and it was issued ex party, meaning
the Trump administration lawyers weren't given notice, weren't given an
opportunity to present arguments, weren't even in the room. Only
Democrat attorneys general were heard. Judge cites no law or
logic to support the bold and somewhat unprecedented order, and

(19:25):
it's in essence that Scott Vest simply occupies this peremonial
nominal position without a real power. Meanwhile, you've got Rhode Island,
where another activist judge just blocked President Trump's spending freeze,
claiming that the actions in his view likely violate the
constitution and statutes of the United States. But look, what's
happening here, really is that Doge is exposing is deep

(19:49):
rooted corruption and gross mismanagement in our government. The less
doing everything it possibly can to stop the Doge effort.
When you're exposing ways frauden abuse, someone says stop, that's
usually an indications as to who's in on the bad act.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
How do you deal with the judicial activism broadly? Is
there a way that you could broadly handle this or
you is it or is it going to be up
to the Trump administration and you're with your legal eye
is it up to them to handle this one case
at a time.

Speaker 8 (20:21):
Well, for the time being, we've got to deal with
one case at a time. And I've got great confidence
in Attorney General Pam Bondi. I'm so glad that we've
got her confirmed and on the job.

Speaker 9 (20:31):
Now.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
I know she's going to be aggressively litigating this. I
think they've got opportunities to seek a you know, to
file a petition for an extraordinary rid of mandamus or
an emergency application for a stay of some of these orders.
I'm sure they'll be doing all those things if they
don't get the relief they want from the various circuit
courts of jurisdiction. I suspect they might end up filing

(20:53):
one or more emergency motions with the Supreme Court, uh
seeking a stay and or put seeking what's called cercerary
before judgment, where the Supreme Court in some rare cases,
can take a course before it's fully moved through the
lower courts.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Senator, could Donald Trump just ignore this? I mean, certainly
Joe Biden did with a number of court rulings when
it came to student loan forgiveness. The Court's ruled you
can't do this, yet he kept on doing it. Could
Donald Trump just do what Joe Biden did and ignore
all of these rulings and proceed with what he wants
to do?

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Well, I don't think he'll do precisely that. It's a
little bit different circumstance. What happened in that case was
that President Biden's theory of choice was rejected by the
Supreme Court, and then he went about doing exactly the
same thing, but under a different legal theory, relying on
the fact that it would take a significant amount of
time for any litigation that that starts to work its

(21:52):
way through the court system. I don't think that exact
maneuver works here, but I do think President Trump and
his team UH certainly have plenty of options at their
disposal for seeking relief from these orders, which I regard
is unwarranted and in excess of their traditional power.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Senator, let's talk about the Rains Act. You you this
is your bill. I believe it's it's a I think
it's an important measure for Congress to really exercise its
separate and equal powers. But in the climate we're in
right now where you're we're discovering that our doge is
discovering that there's money US A I D outside of
the purview and and authorization of Congress, and it's this

(22:33):
hard to even try to get that under control. Does
does your bill that, would you know, really strengthen the
powers of the of Congress to check and be the
ones that decide how money is spent and where it's spent.
How do is does it comport with what this administration
is trying to do and the fraud and the or
at least the questions they have about how money is
being spent? I guess the question, how does the Rains

(22:55):
Act dovetail with the efforts of this administration and DOGE.
How do they work together.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
Well, I believe, and I believe both the Ramaswami and
Elon Musk agree that part of the DOGE effort has
to entail an addition team to curtailing and cutting out
waste from an abuse in our spending and excessive spending generally.
It also has to focus on pro growth economically stimulative

(23:22):
measures that can get the government out of the way
to allow for more growth. Because we can't cut our
way out of this mess alone. It has to be
cut a company by economic growth. One of the best
ways to do that would be to simply require Congress
and the executive branch to respect the legislative formula required

(23:43):
by the Constitution. Now, my copy of the Constitution, in
Article one, section seven says that you cannot make a
federal law without both houses of Congress passing the same
bill and presenting to the President for signature of detail.
If you haven't followed that formula from Article one, section seven,
and you have not made a federal law. And yet
we've got roughly one hundred thousand pages of new law

(24:04):
made a year by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats. That stuff is
allowed to kick in, take effect automatically, and less Congress intervenings.
The Rains Act would look the polarity on that presumption.
In other words, it would say that those regulations, once
they're proposed by an executive branch agency, would be treated
in essence as proposals that would be considered by Congress

(24:24):
on a fast track, and not allow the regulations in question,
which are in effect laws, to take effect and less
Congress affirmatively enacted them. That's why if a genie appeared
to me and said, you can pass any bill now
penning before Congress, what would it be. It'd be the
Rains Act. A thousand times out of a thousand. It
would do more to restore constitutionally limited government and even

(24:47):
to improve our physical situation than any other measure I
can think of. It's one of the reasons why I've
been pushing for us to attach the Rains Act to
any debt ceiling bill that we may be bringing up
in the next two.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Sandra, I want to go back to the USAID story.
I heard a commentator the other day mentioned this, and
I thought he raised an interesting question where He basically said,
you know, this spending has been going on for a
very very long time when it comes to USAID, Why
didn't people on the right And I know Tom Coburn
used to put out, you know, a big book, I

(25:22):
think he called it every year and Joni Arns to
Marco Rubio tried to get information on what was going
on here. But why was more pressure put on a
USAID to step forward and explain how and why they're
spending all this tax by your money?

Speaker 8 (25:36):
Yeah, so you know, there are some of us who
have been skeptical of them over the years, but it
didn't get that much attention for a few reasons. Number one,
I do.

Speaker 10 (25:45):
Think that in this instant, in this instance.

Speaker 8 (25:49):
You had it getting a lot worse. Toward the end
of the last administration, they almost seem to be defiantly
going beyond the scope of what USAID was supposed to
be doing, and funny all sorts of things political causes,
especially increasing towards the end of President Biden's term in office. Secondly,
separate and apart from that, the sheer scale at which

(26:12):
they spend money. I believe it was around forty billion
dollars in the last year it is so large that
when you're distributing that much money, it can be hard
for any institution adequately to keep track, which is part
of the problem behind the fact that we're operating a
seven trillion dollars a year of government with the sheer

(26:34):
size of that makes oversight very, very difficult. Finally, you
have in Congress an entity that has repeatedly not required
nearly as much accountability on these agencies in the way
that they spend money, and when they get a custom
over the course of many years, the Congress going in
reflexively passing spending bills that fund all of this stuff

(26:59):
with out any caveaf even after they've failed to answer
our questions. To our satisfaction, it's occurred to them, why
should we worry when Congress itself, whose job it is
to oversee this stuff, ask questions and you've still got
enough members to pass this legislation over my objecting vote
over and over again, but still enough members to pass it.

(27:21):
Why would they bother being careful that they've learned that
they are essentially without review, and that's been part of
the problem.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, you touked under Mike Lee. A conversation we had
had with him earlier today and talking about the spending
that is taking place, wasteful spending that is taking place
in the federal government. All right, more coming up on
the Roden greg Show with you. They're very popular.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Still, are they?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah? I that girls wear them, Well, guys wear them too,
Are you sure? Yeah, I've seen guys wear them. Then
they are ugly?

Speaker 9 (27:52):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Raped just pointed that, Well, apparently there are schools around
the country that are now banning the shoes, claiming they
are a safety hazard, you know, because they're slippery, but
also you've got to run and a lot of people
twist ankles or break ankles and you know, trip and
fall down. So they're schools around the country. Dozens of
schools in twenty states have now banned the students from

(28:14):
wearing crocs to class.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Sure, it's not just that it's like turning people's stomachs
because they're so ugly or something.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Well, I know at all people say there, you know
who I see where I'm off and nurses, yes, who
are on their feet all the time.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
You're right, I've seen.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Square crocs a lot because they're on their feet, and
apparently they're very comfortable.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
My mind's I can see a nurse.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Can you see that?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Now?

Speaker 1 (28:42):
There must be some people that like them, and.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
There must be something to it because they are on
their feet.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I'm like you, I would never wear a bear.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'm sorry, I'm not there, but I think every nurse
should have them and.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
They're comfort for him.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
All right. Even some liberal columnists are now asking the Democrats,
what on earth are you doing? We'll talk about that
coming up next. Stay with us.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm Rod Arquette, I'm Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Elon Musk, you know, in the in the Oval Office today, Okay,
you get out. Yeah, you're about to die on me
over there? You Okay and button? It did work. It
did work.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Good.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Cut down to one pack a day, you'll be just fine.

Speaker 9 (29:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Try Elon Musk. Okay, at the White House today, answering questions.
You know, the transparency is so refreshing.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Greg. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
The president who almost every day now since he was
inaugurated president of the United States has taken questions from
the press, doesn't care. You know, He'll answer their questions.
He wants to be as transparent as he can. Elon
Musk is the same way. So they met in the
White House today to talk about Doge and they explained
what's going on, and they defended it very very well.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
They did. In fact, there's a there's a you know,
the left tries to find any any inconsistency because look,
you're gonna find information shared and there are going to
be mistakes made. Uh, fifty million dollars spent on condoms
was attributed to Gaza. Come to find out, well that
people were saying, well, we lied, there's no fifty million commps.
Well there is, well there is. It went to Mozambique

(30:13):
instead of Gaza. And so they asked him, you know
it went to mosam Beque on Gouza. What what do
you have to say about Are you making a clarification?
And he's like, yes, I'm not batting a thousand. I
love that you're looking at this. If mistakes are made,
we want them identified right away. But I still think
fifty million for condoms is a lot of money. Which
is the answer just a little bit, you know, that's
the optic cup, the answer that that is an important

(30:35):
answer to what the media would have you believe was
a come a fabricated, complete lie about fifty million dollars
for condoms yeah, it's actually true. Just Mozambique, a few
miles between the two countries. What are we talking about
here now? Before this news comference today, I love this story.
Must had a field day with CNN's Dana Bash. Oh

(30:58):
this is I I wondered if we play this'll play this.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But we have to now remember a few days ago,
the media went ballistic over one of the uh what
they call him, the young kids, right, his nerdy kids,
the Nerd Army, Right, well, one of the one of
the nerds on the nerd Army. His handle was big Balls.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It had been in the past, it had been in
the past. Actually, he actually got sent home because of
all the all the controversy that Eon is going to
bring him back. But big Balls is what they called him.
And then and so they used that as a way
to diminish and demean any of his work. Yeah, you know,
there's like he's an entrepreneur. He started eighteen businesses, one
when he was nine or whatever. But but his.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
He had the handle, yea, his handle was big balls, right,
and they were so Monk today decided to have a
little fun, Okay, so he changed the address on his
x page, his name, his.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Username, attempt to defend the dosing of Big Ball and.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
His he changed the ex handle to Harry Balls.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I know it's a family show, folks, but it's the truth,
and we have to tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
And I think it's the truth bomb. I think he
did this just to make Dana Bash on CNN say it.
You should see the look on her face when she
read this story this morning.

Speaker 11 (32:17):
Now, the Disruptor in Chief Elon Musk, who apparently has
adopted the alias at least he changed his social media
handle to Harry Balls, tweeted this morning, democracy in America
is being destroyed by judicial coup.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I just love it. And so he.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Like even Fox News didn't know how to put They
want to put his tweet on there, and all of
a sudden, you see his name, his user name's kind
of when white it out, they don't want to put
it on there. Then they put like some letters of it,
but not all of it. And then Dana Bash just goes,
She just goes for the gusto. She just says the
whole thing right there. But I love that he's doing
it because he's trying to defend this who's been surious.

(33:01):
Ay these young people if you've heard seen any of
the bios on them. They're just curious. They're wicked smart.
They want to You're giving them a mystery, you're giving
them a challenge, and they're figuring it out. And that's
what they thought people would appreciate. And we do appreciate,
by the way, I really believe the American people, we appreciate.
The regime media doesn't the people the robber barons certainly
don't appreciate it. But and then and then they hand

(33:22):
out their talking points to their stooges in the media.
But no, I love that that kid's coming back, and
I love that that this is the way that Elon's
trying to defend them by giving himself a username that
they can go ahead and make fun of.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
He has since taken it down, by the way, but
he just left it up there for a little while today,
I think, just to irritate all the legacy media because
you know, Dana, like I said, Dana Bash, you should
see her fates when she had to say Harry Balls. Yeah,
she just could not stand up. All right, let's talk.

(33:56):
I came across I've seen a few articles along this line,
Greg and I want to talk about this with you today.
The the Democrats, I think it's fair to say, Greg,
Greg are going absolutely ballistic over what Donald Trump is doing.
They don't know how to stop it. You know, they've
gone to the courts hoping that the courts can do
something about this. I think a higher court will step

(34:18):
in and say you can't do this. They've they've they've
been judge shopping, they've been looking for very liberal judges,
gone to these judges to stop all the moves Donald
Trump is making and cutting salaries, freezing wages, firing people.
They're doing everything they possibly can, right yep. And they're
basing it on what he did with us ai D.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Okay, that was the first one they discovered. Share that
story again, is how they stumbled onto us ai D
you shared earlier because a lot of people are saying, well,
how did they how did they find all this this
wasteful spending in us ai D.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So there wasn't a tip, there wasn't a hey you
should look here, a whistleblower. There wasn't a whistleblower, There
was nothing. There was not a you know, an inspector
General report. What happened is Doge went to the Department
tre they cut all the checks. They're the ones that
send everything out, and they're doing an audit of where
money goes and what they were looking for, particularly and
broadly was are the executive orders that the president is signing.

(35:13):
Are they being honored by by the executive branch? Are
they applying his new executive orders to how they are
disbursing money and doing like DEI and things like that.
They come across the USAID and there's one hundred point
data points that they look at, and Elon says, this
is what I do in my business. This is what
you do. You look at these things to make sure

(35:33):
you're getting what you think you're getting. And he said,
of the one hundred data points when they went into USAID,
ninety eight came out false or wrong and only two
came out right. And he says, it is usually the opposite.
It is when you go to businesses or something. Two
out of one hundred data points, two are wrong ninety
eight or right ninety five or right five or wrong
something like that. The percentages being ninety eight or wrong

(35:58):
was the red flag. So they looked a little closer,
and they kept digging, and they kept digging, and so
this is where USAID got found. It wasn't they didn't,
It wasn't something that they looked for specifically. It is
a it was a Pandora's box literally that they found,
and it started with they weren't following. Now we hear
in FEMA fifty nine million dollars sent to how's.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
The refuge migrants in New York City?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
This like recently as this month and uh in the
rate being paid to the luxury hotel fifty nine million
dollars to house these refugees is twice the room rate
that that hotel charges there, you know, to patrons that
would come there and do it. So she was she
was let go today and then then charge THEEMA money.
That's FEMA money.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
FEMA. Remember what they said about FEMA after the hurricanes.
We have no more money Western North.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Sorry it was cold out there. You're just gonna have
to make it on your own because we're out of money.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Well, the woman you just mentioned, along with three other
employees who directed this money to those hotels, all fired
today as they should as they should be.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
There is no secret that that refugee, when he was
supposed to stop that these things were not no longer
going to be the case. And they went around, they
completely defied the president's executive orders. And really they work
for the president. He's the elected one. Everyone talks about
constitutional crisis on the left. Well, you elect two people
in the executi branch, the president and vice president. The
president's direction is how that the people get to have

(37:21):
a say, we elected him. He gets to manage it.
That's how it works.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Now.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I had mentioned earlier the Democrats are going crazy with this.
Of course I couldn't find this montage, but I heard it.
I think it was on Sean's show today, this montage
of Democrats and their news conferences they're holding. Now, remember
when they used to attack Donald Trump for using what
they would call inappropriate language when he was president, And
they're using every name in the book except the F bomb. Yeah,

(37:48):
to go after the president anymore?

Speaker 7 (37:50):
Pang.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
And so I saw this article. This was written by
I believe his name is either Roy or Roy. I'm
not sure how you pronounce his first name. It's tech Shera.
He's a liberal, he writes the Free Press. But here's
the headline of his story. Greg defending us AID is
political suicide for Democrats and He goes on to write
about how you know why the Democrats are defending foreign

(38:15):
aid expenditures when most Americans really have trouble with foreign aid.
That's what he said. If voters dislike anything, it's bureaucracy
and foreign aid and usaid. USAID is at ten thousand
employee bureaucracy housed in a palatial building on prime downtown
real estate in Washington that spends forty billion dollars a

(38:39):
year on other countries, on other countries. Okay. Rob Emmanuel
is mentioned in this article where he said, you don't
fight every fight, and you don't swing at every pitch, right,
But that's what the Democrats are doing right now. Sure, okay, Okay,
there was a pull out. It was taken last year.
Sixty nine percent of respondents throughout the US government spending

(39:02):
in this area was too much. Sixty nine percent of
people in this country think foreign aid spending is too high,
twenty percent say it's about right, and ten percent say
it's not enough. Anti foreign aid sentiment runs highest among
working class voters and who voted for Donald Trump. Working

(39:24):
class voter, imagine that, yeah, And he goes on he says,
defenders of foreign aid usually respond to critics by lecturing
them that it represents no more than one percent of
federal spending, and therefore they should look elsewhere to balance
the budget. This argument today misses the point that taxpayers
plays a high priority on unmet needs here at home,

(39:47):
and that's why he says Democrats are its political suicide
for them to be out there every day defending foreign
aid and defending usaid. He said, wronghill Roy. And they
don't get it. Greg there they're screaming, they're yelling, they're
calling Trump and Elon every name in the book. But

(40:07):
they don't understand the American people are behind what Trump
and Musk are trying to do.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's well, I just keep I hope they keep doubling down.
I mean, it's just what it's doing. Is this is
how we know that the swamp is being drained, that
we are over the target. It's how they're reacting. If
they were fine, if they were happy, if they were
just grumbling about here, then we weren't really moving the needle,
were we This is what you would see. You'd see
the media. You'd see, oh, by the way, the protesters

(40:34):
are these or Schumer and his staffers by the way,
there's get the Runna mobs to come out here and
do this one for them because it's so gross. But
they but everyone that you would expect to be in
on it are the ones that are screaming and they
can't there. Their arguments aren't even coging. And then you've
got people that are just well, you know it was
mozamb it was it was Mozambique. No Kasa, he's just

(40:55):
a liar, Okay, all right. Then they're going and given
four and eight fifty million for condoms and we're not
meeting our needs here in the United States. If your
big issue is it was Mozambeek and not Gaza, but
everything else is fine. Nothing to see here, folks. I'm sorry,
I don't know. I don't want to tell you.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
We complain about a lot of things in this country,
Greg and the federal government says, I've got an any
mind to help you there. Sorry, it's because it's going
to cross it's going. It's foreign aid, and the American
people are now starting to see where it's been going
and they have had enough.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
That's right, and I'm glad. I'm glad, and I hope
that we keep this moment on going. I was worried
how he would be able to do this and keep
the American American attention to it and it's details. What
Elon Musk and Doge is able to do by putting
it on the platform, making it a source where you
can get that information out and way to understand it.
I think it's brilliant. I really do. I think this

(41:46):
is more effective than inspector general reports, oversight committees in Congress.
We're really getting details that you haven't heard before.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
All right, I want to ask voters tonight. I want
to open up the phones to you because I go
back to the comment that he made in this article.
If voters dislike anything, it's bureaucracy and foreign aid. I
want to know if our voters, our listeners think we
spend way too much money on foreign aid, will anyone
defended I doubt it. Eight eight eight five seven eight

(42:14):
zero one zero eight eight eight five seven o eight
zero one zero. Are on your cell phone dial pound
two fifteen and say hey, Roger calls and Cummings coming up.
More and more liberals are now stepping up, people like
James Carville and Roy Tikshera. Who we're talking about right now,
saying the Democrats are making a mistake in defending government
waste and bureaucracy. And as Tik Shera points out in

(42:37):
his column today, the one thing Americans hate the most
is bureaucracy. And there aren't big fans of four and eight,
especially when Americans here at home are suffering. So we
thought we'd open up the phones to you tonight and
talk about foreign aid. What you think about foreign aid?
Do we spend way too much money? Are we meeting
the needs of Americans here at home? Eight eight eight

(42:59):
five seven O eights are one zero triple eight five
seven eight zero one zero. Let's get to your calls, Greg,
who do we have on the line.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Let's go to Georgia and salt and Salt Lake City, George,
Welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Hey guys, thank you appreciate your time here. So as
a as a voter here, I have no problem with
foreign a being spent to help the world who is
in need. I don't think this is an easy guess
or no answer or solution. However, I think money is
an extension of our respect and admiration for our leaders
who we vote for and the way that they use money,

(43:33):
especially twenty four million dollars for transgender animal surgery. I
didn't vote for that, so why are we not Why
is there no transparency with USAID and or other departments
when it's our money, it's it's an extension of again,
our vote. So I don't feel that we've been represented
well and we're left than the dark. And ideally, I

(43:55):
think this is a real swamp that was mentioned back
in twenty sixteen with Trump, where it's just a dredge.
We don't know what's going on. It's muddy, it's dark,
and we're cut out of the loop. It's not it's
not right.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Boy, You're you are spot on the George, he really
he points it out. That's basically what Mike Leef said.
You know, he said, we allowed this to happen. I mean,
no one's said. I mean, there were a few people
out there saying but as you pointed out, here's Joni
Earns staying, I want to take a look at the boets.
They told her. Now she didn't chase it down anymore so, And.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
To George's point, look, if you're there are important endeavors
even for an AID that should happen, but you're seven.
This is seven trillion dollar a year budget, two trillion
in deficit spending. Okay, and if you're taking money foreign
aid from usaid and it's a poisoned well, meaning a
lot of it, most of it, everything we're tracking is
not what we signed up for. Congress knows nothing about it.

(44:49):
It circumvented the entire appropriations process. You're drinking from a
poisoned well. So even if you it does a disservice
to anything that might have been appropriate to be done
in a way that is large, and I would say
mostly inappropriate. I am to the point, looking going down
the rabbit holes of all this information that we found
out over the weekend that I am convinced that that Washington,

(45:09):
DC is full of robber barons plundering the public treasury
first and then political agenda a distant second. I don't
even think this is about their political agenda as much
as it is enriching themselves. I think they've got themselves
a scam that is making generational wealth for themselves and
their family, and then they throw some at a cause
that's you know, politically motivated. But to justify what they're doing,

(45:31):
I mean it is I'm looking at the boxes here
where most of the organizations funded by tax fair funds,
and I'm looking at grand amount zero?

Speaker 1 (45:40):
What yeah, yeah, what yeah yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Tell me how that works. I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Well, well, how many times have we said this, Greg?
What are some of the richest counties in America right now?
They all surround Washington, d C. Yeah, yeah, that could
be an answer. Let's go to Chris in Spanish for tonight.
Wants to talk about foreign aid. Chris, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 9 (46:01):
I'm doing well, guys, love the show, and Greg, I
promise I won't fire you. Think about soylink.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Green this caller, Yes, thank you? Yeah, you guys are
all yours were strangely okay with human compost. I was
really shaken by that that day. That was a weird day.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Go ahead, Greg, I couldn't resist.

Speaker 9 (46:21):
So here's the thing. The taxation is the forcible taking
of one's private property. So how many decades have they
been forcibly taking my private property and enriching themselves. They
have figured out how to raid the public treasury. And
that's what our founding fathers warned us about, that we
would cease to be a constitutional republic when that started

(46:45):
to happen. I would like to see that Elon and
his team using data analytics, which is what they're doing,
and go into every single organization and find out growing
Congress over the last fifty year has been getting those
transfers on the back end, because I guarantee that's happening.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, could be boy, good point, Chris. I love the
points that we're making from our callers today. Greg. We'll
get to more calls coming up here on the Rodden
Gregg Show. A question I have too, Greg, on top
of this, why is Donald Trump the only one who
finally said enough is enough?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Honestly, it does show this has.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Been going on for years, so we've taught, We've.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Used the term party a lot. Doesn't this actually make sense?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Now?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Do you see the shuttling of money going the way
it is?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Sure it does. All right, we'll get to your more
of your calls and comments coming up. Hang on eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one Zero's we talk about
foreign aid and what do you think of it? We're
talking about foreign aid. Even some liberal columnists around the
country are now raising questions about the Democrats and their
defense of USAID and the amount of wasteful spending that

(47:51):
has taken place. Matter of fact, some are saying it
is political suicide for you to get out there and
defend what USAID has been doing, because you know, Americans
do not like bureaucracy and do not like foreign eight.
As a matter of factor, recent poll showed that sixty
three percent of the American people feel we spend way

(48:12):
too much money on foreign aid and don't look at
the needs of the average everyday American. We're asking you
about your feelings toward foreign aid. Are we spending too much?
Are we spending enough? Maybe too little? Eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero. Or on your cell phone
dial pound two fifteen, say hey, Rod, there you go.

(48:35):
Want me to go to the phones?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yes, to do everything.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Let's go to Doreen in Mill Creek tonight. Dreen, How
are you welcome to the show?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Dareene?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Did we lose to dream?

Speaker 12 (48:50):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
There you are, Hi, DuRane, go ahead, Hi? What's your taking?

Speaker 12 (48:57):
I was just listening to Rod when he said, I
don't know why nobody else has looked into all this
before and from what I have heard and read about
new information coming out, I think President Kennedy was looking
into some of this and then he got assassinated before
it all came out that. I'm not sure about that.

(49:19):
That's just what I've heard. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
No, you know what, I got a big take about
the Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I have a huge teak.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I'd have a big, big take and I'm withoriing there.
But let me just tell you this. I think he
was Kennedy really was an outsider as well. I mean,
he's the guy that went out and campaigned primaries in
West Virginia and talked to the coal miners. And it
wasn't all just done through the party conventions. He was
winning those primaries by getting out amongst the people. He
hired his brother Bobby to or selected his brother, Bobby

(49:47):
Kennedy to be the Attorney general. You want to talk
about whether a cabinet member has any authority, it was
Bobby Kenny, the Attorney General of the United States, that
went to Turkey, you know, to negotiate getting the Soviet
to get the United States missiles pointed away from the USSR.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Or in the Cuban missile that would be usually.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
At the State Department of Department of Defense. He sent
his brother who he trusted to do that, and he
could because he was the president. But I do think
he was onto something. I think he saw something that
was happening there, and I do think that that assassination
was not one loan crazy Lee Harvey Osbo.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
So you're one of the conspiracy guys.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Huh oh, I just I've looked at it enough of
that and there is no possible way that that was
one person.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
All right, let's go back to the phones eighty eight
five seven eight zero one zero or on your cell
phone dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod, let's go.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
To Diane in South Ogden. Diane, Welcome to the Rod
and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
Hello, gentlemen, think of for taking my call. I don't
think that we are spending too much or too little
on foreign aid, and I know Americans don't love it.
I think we don't spend it appropriately, and I don't
think that we are good stewards of where it's going,
who it's going to, and we have no oversight and

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we don't put any strings. There's no strings attached to
that money. And there certainly should be.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Dan, I agree with you, but let me just give
you this scenario, and this is what I struggle with, okay,
because I don't agree. I don't disagree with that sentiment
on in and of itself. But we saw the people
of western North Carolina devastated by Hurricane Helen, and we
were told by FEMA there's just no money. And the
temperature started to drop in October and it was getting cold,
and there was no money. And then you come to

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find out that there's plenty of money. There's plenty of
money going everywhere. Is foreign aid at the expense of
some of the things that we've been told in the
United States? Even the Small Business Administration's Disaster Fund was empty.
Sorry small businesses, we don't have it like we used to.
Those things were being said to Americans while that foreign
aid was being shuttled. Is that okay?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Is that is that for aid still? Okay?

Speaker 5 (51:52):
No, that is a simple case of misappropriation. Again, foreign
aid is not an endless bucket. Yes, that was misappropriation
and America does come first or should.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yes, I agree, I agree there, and I think what
Diane points out Greg there's a very simple solution to this.
Put it under the State Department. Marco Rubi, all right,
and Congress can easily restore this funding. I think what
the American people want accountability, where's the money going and
what is it doing? And if they have that, I
think they're very supportive of foreign eight.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
And I'm telling you what, I don't think this. I
think that's why they got the courts to stop them
from what they're doing. I don't think USAID can survive
under that kind of bright.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
They can't. That's why it needs to go under the state.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
You saw if you saw these boxes, and these three
hundred and sixty two million in one organization, another one
hundred and sixty five million in another, and what's this
other one hundred and sixty seven million. Those are three
different ones, and there is grants given one hundred million.
They're so out of three sixty two, one hundred millions given,
that's awful mice of them, one hundred and sixty five

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million in this other one, zero grants given. Anyway, it's
just this is the stuff that won't survive.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yep, it won't. Brad and South Jordan wants to weigh
in on the debate over four and age tonight, Brad,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 10 (53:08):
Fantastic ground.

Speaker 13 (53:10):
Thank you, hey. So, I mean, probably one question that's
never been asked. With all of the equalization of making
trade equal and getting all of this stuff balanced and
all these countries as they make budgets and plans and everything,
has ever been another country that found value in something
that America was doing? And they wrote America n a check.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Ye yeah, not a million years. Nobody's in it anything
back to the United States. Yeah, it's a one way
street in this world.

Speaker 10 (53:44):
It's a one way street.

Speaker 13 (53:45):
Okay, Well, thank you for the end.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Absolutely pathetic and true. Thank you for the question. It
really highlights the you know, the the problem.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Here, right, Yeah, there was this is You're too You're
too young for this. There was a song It was
in the nineteen seventies, I believe, maybe late nineteen sixties,
and it wasn't really a song. It was a letter
to America, very popular at the time, written by a
Canadian broadcaster, right, and it asked the very same question
that Brad was asking, When have other countries ever stepped

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in to help America think about that? And he went
on and this was during the height of the Vietnam War.
But when when there's an earthquake, who does the world
turn to America? And he had this long list. I
think Brad raises that good question is when has another
country who we have probably helped at one time or another,
stepped in to help out the American people.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, I know it.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I only to find that some day you look like that.
But that was a very part. It's not a song.
As a gorgeous guy.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Of what ancient song? I could think of the most
ancient song I could think of, but I couldn't think
of it.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Well you couldn't.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I was really racking my brain.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
A lot of people will remember that. I'm going to
find him play for you someday. It's a good song.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Well, way to tell me that not one single country
is broken off a single cent for this country, by
the way, help or it's always us going the other way.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I know more of your calls and comments coming up
right here on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine can arrests. We have
great listeners, like you said, the smartest listeners out there, right, Yes,
all right, Allan, who's a big fan of the show
just shot me an email, said Rod. Gordon Sinclair is
his name. He's a Canadian broadcaster. He had this song

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or whatever you want to call it in nineteen seventy three.
It was called The American.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
You want to tell the truth. Now, you were talking
about before my time and during your time.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
No, you're Scott.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I was not born, made the star spangled banner and
a song, and that's what you remember. I was before
my time. But Francis Scott key May wrote the Star
Spangle banner. Play poet as a poet, played this as
a poem, and they put it to music. And that's
what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I'm going to play this someday. Yeah, let's go to
our So.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Let's go to Joe in Orum. Joe, thank you for
holding sir. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (56:06):
I think we shouldn't have foreign aid the way it is.
It should be as a loan with at least a
ten year payback and some type of interest. You know,
this isn't the politician's money, this is the taxpayer's money.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Amen to that. Accountability I think is what people are
asking for. Let's go to Doug in Syracuse tonight listening
to the Rod and Greg Joe. Hi, Doug, thanks for joining.

Speaker 14 (56:30):
Us, Hi, Rod, I think you guys are arguing this wrong.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
It wouldn't be the first time, Doug.

Speaker 14 (56:39):
Okay, now follow this. The Constitution of the United States
is an enumerated list of things the federal government can do.
Everything else belongs to the states of the people. Show
me the article in section of the Constitution that says
our government can take money from me and send it
to foreign countries. If you can't do it. If you

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can't do that, then it is by definition unconstitutional.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I never thought of it that way, Doug. But you're right.
I don't recall a place in the constitutions where it
says the federal government can take our money and give
it to whoever they want. That makes sense to me. Doug. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
The only thing I'd say, though, is that sometimes the
way countries worked with each other, I there was some
I mean, I mean we like, I don't know, like
even when we had.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Are you trying to explain yourself?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
In the Revolutionary War, we had to pay something to
get those French French came over. We had we pay
What about the they had those little they had those with.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
The guy.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
They were like that. They were the Hessians, the Germans, Germans,
they well, the British paid them.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
We didn't pay them.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
It was the British paid them. The British didn't we
pay out some money to get some the French. Do
we pay the French or the friend I don't know
if we.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Paid them or we just okay, they wanted well, they
didn't want They didn't want Britain to become a superpower,
and that's why they joined the rebels.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I think, as I recall my history, which isn't very
good by the way, I'm.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Just trying to think. I'm just trying. I don't disagree
with the overall premise, but I'm wondering if there was
any by way of our defense of our nation, we
put out some money out there to other nations too,
we did, I'm hosking. I'm saying, I'm wondering.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I don't. I don't recall that we did. We didn't
get any help during the Civil War. That was all
in turn.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I hate that war is just Americans against Americans. That's
the worst war in the world. Yeah, yeah, maybe in
the maybe in the I don't know. I would think
we got a little help in the French or something.
I don't know. I just but but I agree with Doug,
really I do. It's not if it's.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Not a constitution.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
And there's very question, very limited in everything else goes
to states if you don't read it in that constitution.
And there's nothing about USA. I d in that constitution.
I check there is. I even did a word search.
The USA idea is not in the constitution.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Called the Americans. I'm going to play for you some day.
I can't well, I can tell all right when we
come back, Liz going did join us, will have some
fun with Liz coming up, stay with us. We're just
watching the opening of the Jesse Waters Show on one
of the monitors here in the in the studio, and
he's talking about the director of FEMA who got canned
today for giving hotels in New York City fifty nine

(59:17):
million dollars to house immigrants. Now, why is a female
time like that in real time? Why is FEMA even
involved in doing anything like that? That's not a disaster.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And I go back, especially considering they said there's no
room at the end. There's no money in the till
for you. And you're Helene the hurricane victims in red
North Carolina. Yeah, sorry now, and we're skipping the if
you see a Trump sign in the yard, we're not
even gonna ask you. If we're for the little we're
gonna give you, which is gonna be a lot less
than the refugees, you're not getting anything. If you got

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the Trump sign in your yard that they found her.
She she said they tried to blame her, like, oh,
this is a one off thing. She said, no, no, this
is policy. This is how we've been doing it. I'm
the I'm the patsy and all this. Yeah, but fifty
nine million, ladies and gentlemen, that is twice the room
rate that those luxury hotels would charge you or anyone
that would go to stay at that hotel. So they're

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charging the federal government twice the room rate to house
these refugees at these and they describe it as luxury
hotels in New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
You know what's pretty amazing, Greg, The entire federal government
right now is under an audit is the motelots that
would happen, is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
The motel six a luxury no hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
In some people's eyes, it may be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I'm thinking it's not a motel six are paying for
I don't think they're paying for the comfort, and I
think it's I think it's I think I'll bet you
these are swanky hotels are staying at. It's even worse.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Well, anybody who works for the federal government now and
has spend and has been spending wastefully, be on the lookout, folks.
The nerd army is coming after.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, you keep trying to rip on those young men,
and when they're the people that are working for Elon,
they're just little geniuses. I love them. I'm so happy
for them. You can try to dox them. You're making
them famous. In my eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Well, things have certainly changed. Greg and I have talked
about this. We've never seen anything like this in this country.
Joining us on our news maker line to talk more
about that is our good friend Liz Peek, Liz as
a columnist at Fox News. Liz, I tell you what
the vibe is shifting, as you say, it's rolling across America.
What are you seeing out there? Liz?

Speaker 15 (01:01:18):
He is, and I think that the country is joyous.
I mean, the approval ratings for what he's doing are
amazing to me. People are totally on board with the deportations,
with building the wall. You know, if you look at
all the major issues that he campaigned on, what I

(01:01:38):
think people are most cheered about is that he's actually
following through on his campaign promises. So you know, right
now he's riding a wave. It seems to me the
sort of bottom line is common sense. When he bars
men biological men from competing against women and women's sports,
everybody cheers. That's like an eighty twenty issue, if not

(01:02:00):
more than that. And you know, Democrats so far are
just resisting everything, and I really don't think that that's
going to help them. Obviously. What they're mostly resisting is
trying to get rid of waste and fraud in the
federal government. I mean, honestly, you know, how can you
really embrace waste and fraud in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
The federal government?

Speaker 15 (01:02:23):
I mean, is that really a winning strategy?

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:02:26):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
So you just I was going to ask you, do
you think that the Democrats had chosen the right line
to draw on the sand over that because it is
bizarre they're arguing for and on behalf of waste and
fraud and not knowing where money's going. But I guess
my other question would be, this is what I would
imagine the swamp sounding like and doing if it was
being exposed or if it was being shut down with

(01:02:49):
the control they've had. I guess my question is, do
you think that this is going to get harder? You
see the judiciary getting right involved. It's slowing down the
ability for a president execute a branch to do what
it wants to do. Do you do you think that
we're excited, We're like what we're seeing? How long can
we sustain this, uh, this momentum that you're seeing in
the beginning of Trump's administration.

Speaker 15 (01:03:12):
Well, here's the thing. I realized that the the the
courts have shut down the actual uh sort of manifestations
if you will, of this exposing of all the corruption
in the government. Uh, you know, the payments still have
to go out according to judges, et cetera. But look,

(01:03:33):
Elon Musk is doing two things brilliantly. One, he has
unleashed this posse of young, brilliant tech guys using AI
to uncover things like, uh, you know, millions and millions
of dollars going to people with no social security numbers,
that money going to people with duplicative social security numbers. Okay,

(01:03:57):
So as that is going on, are we really going
to believe that the Democrats are going to be really
effective encountering that through the courts? In other words, I
just think that the narrative right now is so strong
and it's so positive and absolutely unrefutable, that there just

(01:04:18):
isn't any way to counter it. I mean, the other
thing that's going on is that Democrats are now threatening
to shut down the government not allow the government to
move on. Now, let's see, when was the last time that,
you know, the Republicans threatened to shut down the government
and they got excoriated for it. Nobody thought that was

(01:04:39):
a good idea. Oh my goodness, the alarm bells were ringing.
It's such a drastic political move, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, Well,
I would just say that can work both ways, and
so if that are going to counter all of this, look,
I just don't think that wins. I just don't think
that wins. Everybody knows. Everybody knows we are spending too

(01:04:59):
much money. By the way, if you didn't know that before,
we just had the first quarter fiscal year results come
out and guess what spending spending by the federal government
up fifteen percent. Wow, that's a mind boggling number. I
mean remember how Joe Biden was like, Oh, I've reducing
the deficit, We're going to cut down on the spending. No,

(01:05:19):
they haven't continued to go up. So I just, you know,
I forgive me. I just don't think there is any
kind of reasonable resistance to this, including the courts. And
I think at some point some of these lawsuits are
going to fall apart.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
We'll see, I know, Liz, you know. I wonder, Dan,
do you think the Democrats are even listening to themselves
right now? I mean, I saw this, heard this montage
today of all these Democrats outside somewhere just using almost
every cuss word they can come up with, except for
the F bomb to describe elon Mosk. You've got. Now,
you've got some liberal commentators, some columnists who are out

(01:05:57):
there saying, Democrats, you are you are so off based
on this one. How on earth are you defending government
waste and overspending? I mean, are the Democrats even listening
to themselves right now.

Speaker 15 (01:06:07):
Liz, I don't think they are, and I don't think
they're giving any sober thought to what happened in November. Again,
this president was elected with a majority of the people.
The majority of Americans wanted him to carry through what
he promised on the campaign trail. He is doing that,

(01:06:29):
so you have to assume, and in fact, polling shows
the majority of Americans are in favor of it. So
to your point, I don't think Democrats are processing that
very well or really coming up with any answers. I mean,
what should they be doing now? First of all, they've
got to get new leadership, and I think unfortunately, people

(01:06:49):
really vying to take over the party as leader are
people like Chris Murphy in Connecticut, who is so far
left and he's so virulently anti Trump and everything. I mean,
if they choose, well, and look who they chose to
run the DNC. I mean, they're not tacking towards the middle,
which has always been a successful strategy for the losers,

(01:07:14):
and they are the losers right now. So why aren't
they doing what Bill Clinton did and what other successful
presidents do when they've been really clobbered in an election.

Speaker 13 (01:07:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:07:26):
I mean, I just think that the far left wing
of the party has such a stranglehold on the Democratic
Party that they cannot see their way clear to listening
to the American people, and that is what they're not doing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
So, Liz, I have a question. So we've had inspector
General reports that have shown waste, fraud and abuse. We've
had oversight committees that have shown empty federal buildings, and
so it's not new and it's not a surprise that
there is waste of fraud and abuse in our federal government. However,
what DOJE is finding, especially in the Department of Treasury.
Data Republic is a site on x that is really

(01:08:02):
crunching that and putting in digestible form for viewers or
people that are on the platform. Are you yourself, are
you surprised by what's been uncovered and what's been revealed
in terms of how much money outside of Congress's purview
has been spent and is being spent.

Speaker 15 (01:08:17):
Well, I think everyone was shocked by the USAID revelations.
That's just horrible, the stuff that went on there, the
amount of money sent to terrorists affiliated organizations, to The
New York Times, Politico, et cetera. I always assumed USAID,
like NPR, like other official organizations that have some political bent,

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we're pretty far left. But I think the amount of money.

Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
That has been sort of surreptitiously.

Speaker 15 (01:08:44):
Sent to organizations that you and I would really feel
are not on our side was pretty shocking. You know what,
I kind of come back to. I was thinking about
this today.

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
You're right.

Speaker 15 (01:08:55):
I mean, they're been all these organizations that have ferreted
out samples of waste and fraud, no one ever does
anything about it, and it's almost like there's this collective
inertia and laziness. Frankly, today a bunch of former Treasury secretaries,
including Janet Yellen, came out and said, Oh, this is

(01:09:17):
terrible that they're they're auditing treasury expenditures for waste. Why
didn't they do that? They were all in charge of
those expenditors. Did no one ever bother to look and
see what where the money was going? And the answer
is no, they did not, So shame on them. I
don't think I don't think they have a leg to
stand on, honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, And that's the point we've been making all day today, Greg,
no one bothered to look at any of these expenses,
this spending. No one really. I mean, there are a
few senators who tried, like Joni Earnst and Marco Rubio,
but they were told no, and they said, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
And I'm going to us. That's higher town is just there,
just making money. And there's so many people around them,
there are staffers. I mean, I'm telling you that. I
think this is so pervasive in that town in terms
of just the printing of money and enriching themselves and
then breaking off a little for whatever cause. I think
it's why it's they they've actually I think it's why

(01:10:17):
it's stayed quiet. They paid Politico, they paid New York Times,
they pay you, just name it. There's nobody that didn't
get that wasn't on that gravy train, who's been defending
that swamp and including right now, they can't pivot because
they need the money. They got addicted to it. They
don't know how to go without it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I think, Greg, my opinion is that I think the
first shots have now been fired in what I would
call the Second American Revolution, and I think that's what
we're starting to see. It's a revolution where we're taking
the government back. And that is not an overstatement.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
It may sound like it, but I really think it
is that it is that big of a moment in
American history. And honestly, to see what to learn, what
we're learning, and to see the reaction from the people
that we're profiting, how they're just not giving it up.
They're just trying to find judges it'll stop any more discovery.
It is what It is such a big moment that
we're living through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
We are taking a wrecking ball to the bureaucracy, and
that's what the American people want, all right. More coming
up here on the Rodden Great Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five to nine knrs. Let's talk about
DEEI for a second. We'll talk more about it here
at the bottom of the hour. But Costco okay company
based out of Washington. Matter of fact, we lived in

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the hometown of Costco. Is its Aquah, which is about
twenty miles outside of Seattle. Okay, they're baits there and
everybody goes to Costco.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Is it a hippie joint out there?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Kind of yeah. Seattle, Yeah, Seattle, Yeah, Seattle. But their
rain as the top grocery store has come to an end.
Interesting after leading after leading rankings for an influential customer
and satisfaction survey in twenty twenty four, the wholesale Giant
has slipped from number one to seventh place, from eighty

(01:12:05):
five percent approval to only eighty one percent approval. The
American Customer Satisfaction Index ask consumers about their experience at
nineteen grocery stores. Costco shoppers reported a nearly five percent
satisfaction drop since twenty twenty four. So what's going on
at Costco?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Well, I know what's going on. What go woke, go broke?

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
So you think that's it? Did you start doing this
stuff shop for groceries care about?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Well, well, if you're doing DEI I can only imagine
what that actually means. I mean, as you're getting clubbed
over the head over these ridiculous messages and flags, and
it's just too much. It's just too much. You don't
want to do it. You just want to go buy something.
You just don't want to be You want to be
preached to, you don't want to be lectured. You know,
he told you're wrong about something you didn't do. You
just want to go buy food and if they want

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to tell if they want to do something else, you
can take your consumer dollars elsewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Well, and isn't that true. Isn't that true for most
major corps operations around the country who over the years
have gone woke and the and the people say, just
sell us a product, just provide us in service. We
do not want to be lectured to about your political
stand up things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I'm kind of down to. Yeah, I'm kind of down
the middle of this where I don't like bands or
canceling people. But I absolutely will exercise my voice.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Oh, you're a consumer, you can do with those.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
That I will where I want to or not. I
don't buy. I haven't had a pair of Nike shoes
I don't know how long because of the goofy commercials
they were doing in the Betsy Ross and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
That one in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Why is it that women think they need to beat
men to achieve equality, because not what that ad was
all about. Look at we can beat men in flag football.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah, ask Martina. Never to lovers, I'll tell you it's
a ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Cause.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
One other surprise move before we need to break again.
Google you know. We know Google, right, we know Google.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
What they're do enemies perfectly fine, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Google is dropping Pride Month from his calendar.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
H well you know they Oh so one of the
reasons is these they just they overshot. They just because
there's like if you've seen how many different cultural celebrations
there are, oh, there's like more than fifty. There's more
than weeks in the year. It's gone, it's gone off
the charts. You can't keep up with it all. You
do one and you leave one out, you're in trouble.

(01:14:21):
So it's like in for a penny, in for a pound. Yeah,
you can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Well Google has put has cut Pride Month from its
calendar app and it said we aren't doing this anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Loyah, it's just let's just sa chill all right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Eray just told me we need to give something away.
Oh awesome, So shall we do that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Let's give let's give things away?

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It's a lot of fun.

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(01:15:26):
you'll win four passes. More coming up on the Roden
Gregg Show. This individual getting a lot of national attention
because of her ex page, and we found out she
lives here in Salt Lake City and we're going to
be talking to her hopefully tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I don't want to say more than that, but I'm
just going to tell you folks, you'll want to listen
tomorrow's program.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Yeah, that be interesting for sure. All right, let's talk
about Doge. More about Doge a great article written by
our next guest. The headline of his story was, the
idea of Doge is really at the root of American values,
joining us on our newsmaker line is christ Hmal Chris
is a commentary writer at The Washington Examiner. Chris, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks

(01:16:05):
for joining us tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
No problem, Hi, Rod and Greg for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Let me ask you this, Chris, you say it is
at the root of American values. Explain that if you would.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Sure so.

Speaker 7 (01:16:17):
A lot of the controversy around those has pretty much
been around that there are all this excess funding that
is going on to fund a lot of lessling programs.
That's what those is doing is eliminating it and getting
back to our core. It's basically working on efficient trying
to get to a point where we're having efficient government

(01:16:38):
spending and controlling this reckless government finance that we've been
experiencing over the last several years. And get back to
his core. The United States of America was never about
kind of like trying to be fund the entire worlds
and issues. Is about to focus on people in this
country and individual reality. And that's what kind of those

(01:17:00):
is doing and looking to do. And that's why I
think it's overall at its core is getting to the
point of its origins of working to advance the ideas
of the root of American values, and you know what
our founding father stood for.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
So the big question is, if you listen to the
regime media, if you listen to the talking Heade, you
listen to Chuck Schumer, you listen to Democrats, they're doubling
down on how dare you find even want to know
about the plundering we've been doing of the public treasury.
It's a it's a very strange defense that they're making,
but they are making it, and they're trying to make
Elon Musk and his team out to be the bad guys.

(01:17:39):
Do you think it's selling with the American people? Do
you think what they're doing to persuade people that what's
happening here is wrong has any traction at all other
than with bad judges.

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
I think it appeals to its core and to their
their base, but I don't think it appeals to the
American people. I think what is going on is what
the American people voted for in the election, and this
is what they wanted. Unless any objective person will realize
that the government spends way too much money and without
any accountability, and that's what those is trying to do

(01:18:11):
is bring back accountability. And they're going through all these
these programs here that yeah, the Left is going to
try to make you know, those in Elon Mosk and
Trumpez Vega. But that's what they do every time they're
calling a scandal and their schemes are revealed, and so
that's not to be unexpected. That's what they do. And
I think that only again, as I said before, appeals

(01:18:31):
to the people that support them, but any like objective people,
and I think public opinion pill, public opinion poll, excuse me,
show that is that a lot of people are agreeing
with what's being done there. They want to kind of
like this audit of the government that's had years and
decades of you know, unaccountability. Uh, they're trying to hold
these people to do their faults in their errors and

(01:18:54):
kind of be able to get some fiscal common sense
back into government spending.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Christ's Zira call. In my history and history of the constitution,
our funding fathers never really wanted a big federal government, did.

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
They not at all. They wanted a small, strong central government.
And they kind of I mean, this is obviously kind
of old intel at the point because we also weren't
supposed to be involved in European affairs, but that went
out the window years ago, decades ago, maybe the centuries ago.
So that evolved. But if we're one of the things

(01:19:28):
I quoted in here in my article that you mentioned
was James Madison Federal's paper fifty one, which was kind
of the whole thing of what we were trying to
do as a government. We wanted freedom. We wanted the
government to look out for American interest and fund ourselves
and not worry about, you know, all these international affairs
and get bogged down and you know, international geopolitics, foreign conflicts,

(01:19:49):
foreign funding. I mean, look at all this stuff that's
being discovered, that's going up to all these countries. Yet
look at what we had, all the problems we have
in this country. We have an education system where kids
and even aren't even going proficient in math in English.
So yeah, the whole point of all this, and to
your point of what you're saying to our comedy fathers,

(01:20:10):
is it was supposed to be looking out to build
the United States of America and the citizens in the
United States of America, we the people of the United
States that were the government was supposed to be looking
out for, not this big, bloated bureaucracy that it's evolved
into into the late twentieth and twenty first centuries.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Everything that the Democrats, everything that the bureaucracy is doing,
even including the judges, all the reactions that we're seeing,
or what I would imagine if you were trying to
drain the swamp, or you were trying to end what's
been happening here this cottage industry ending, it would look
like this. But the president's strength is in the people's
confidence in him and him keeping his promises. Seven I

(01:20:48):
think it's seventy percent believe that he is keeping his
promises that he campaigned on. How long is the American
people's attention span on this? It gets very detailed, it
gets very wonkish. I've tried to explains, I've gotten someone
down some of these rabbit holes of money spent, But
how do how does this keep the Americans America's attention
so that he continues to have their will or their

(01:21:10):
support to do all the hard things he has to do.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
I think one of the ways is doing that is
through communication with the people and intermedia. And he's going
to have resistance of the legacy media now, you know,
from the CBS and the ABC's and all that, but
he's also effectively communicating on social media through his truth
social Elon Musk, you know, being a part of the

(01:21:35):
controlling Twitter or x is a big part as well,
because he has effective means of communications. And what the
integral part about this, I feel is that constantly getting
this information out without it being filtered or suppressed that
was happened previously, that happened a lot during Trump's first term,
This is going to be an effective way of communicating

(01:21:56):
so that the people aren't being misled or manipulated to
leave the lestling lies. They're going to actually see the
effectiveness of those the effectiveness of the Trump administration, the
good things that they're doing that are helping every day
Americans that the liberals, you know, we're focusing and the
lefts and Democrats we're all focusing on like these globals values.

(01:22:16):
Trump is folks and Dooze and Elon Musk are focusing
on America first values and that's kind of a By
constantly doing that, I think must being involvement in controlling
Twitter is going to be a huge part of keeping
America focused, and that didn't happen when Trump was in
office the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Yeah, And I think what you're talking about, Chris, is
that it's going to be critical. Is it not for
him to control the narrative. He's usually pretty darn good
at controlling the narrative every day. He's going to need
to keep that up for a while, right.

Speaker 7 (01:22:49):
Absolutely controlling the narrative, but also the effective communication that
and more discipline communication. I would say that's happening this
time around. Ye, that didn't happen before. So I think
all that, you know, giving communicating with the public, letting
though the benefits that they're doing, the advantages that are
happening because of the trumble administration that's and the disciplined

(01:23:09):
approach that they're taking now that different going forward. That's
going to be a feel going to help the American
public can be focused and pay attention and keep in
supporting of it, and you know, obviously producing the desired
results as well. But I feel that it will happen
just through the nature of what's been going on. By
doing all that, I think that's going to keep the

(01:23:30):
American public in support of him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Chris, great article. Always appreciate you joining the show. Thank
you and enjoy the rest of the evening. Thank you, Chris,
thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
I say kesev youd night things.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
All right, that's Chris Tramalia. If you want to read
his article, it's a great article. You can find it
on their website at the Washington Examiner. The idea of
doge is at the root of American values. And that's
all you need to check out the doge at the
root of American values. All right, more coming up here
on the Rod and Great Show in Utah's Talk radio
one oh five nine Kate and this is good the

(01:24:02):
h and we talked to Eric Mutzo's about this story.
As a matter of fact, he broke the story about
this mom, what was your name? Saltzman? I believe. But
the the Utah House and the legislature have now approved
a bill that places housing restrictions for transgender college students.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
You don't say yeah about.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Time, right. Transgender college students in Utah will now be
prohibited from living in dorms consistent with their gender identity
under a bill that cleared a final legislative hurdle yesterday.
And apparently the governor is indicated he is going to
sign this good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Yeah, No, it's a no brainer and I and I
think the fact that it requires legislation is you can
kind of look at what's happening federally with DOGE looking
into the swamp and how they're pushing back. It was
clear last session that higher education was not going to
embrace promote DEI ideology, and then you fast forward to

(01:25:06):
right before the session starts, and sure enough it is
still going on. And so they're running a bill to
be very very clear about something that they were pretty
clear about last year. I think this is just what
we're seeing is that the bureaucracy has become very good
at doing exactly what it wants, whatever it wants, and
we the people, we're just spectators. I guess we're not

(01:25:28):
supposed to get in the way. But if we're crazy
enough to tell them not to do something, they find
a workaround.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Yeah, Well, the background to the story, you may recall
a Utah State University sophomore, her name or his name,
Marcy Robertson, a trans woman, was assigned to be a
resident assistant at a woman's dorm and share a suite
with freshman Avery Saltsman. After learning of Robertson's identity. Saltsman
requested and received a room transfer, then her mom posted

(01:25:59):
about it online line. Robertson told lawmakers during the recent
committee hearing that life has been excruciating since the online
attention led to harassment and death threats. But the legislature said,
wait a minute, this is not right. This needs to
be prohibited, and that's what they have now done. Greg Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
I just think it's pathetic. You have to go so
far as we're on a bill that they didn't catch
the catch the meaning of don't support from the first
in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
And guess who's not very happy? There are a lot
of people out there, including federal workers who probably aren't
very happy. But guess who on television is not very happy?
O who Georgie Porgie Stephanopolos.

Speaker 16 (01:26:43):
Yes, yes, I love it perfect he apparently, according to
fellow employees, Georgie is miserable after being forced to apologize
following the President Trump fiasco, and efforts are already speculating
who may replace him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
You know, his ego is bigger than he is, but
that's not hard because I think he's only four foot tall.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
You're not a very tall man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
No, but he's got an ego that's about eight feet tall.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Apparently, he is reportedly on his way out since ABC
news parent company Disney agreed to settle a defamation lawsuit
against him back in December. It was over the anchor
insisting on air that Trump was found liable for rape
instead of sexual abuse in the lawsuit by journalist E

(01:27:34):
Gene Carroll. As part of Disney's deal with Trump, the
former Democratic operative who co host Good Morning America was
forced to issue an apology.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah, I'm so, and part of me is surprised. He's
mad about it because in the depositions and stuff. And
the reason why they settled is they warned him not
to say that before they did the interview. They said
it's not rape, and they talked about it ahead of time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
His producer said, George, don't say that. Don't say that.
Don't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Not like it was a slip of the tongue or
a misunderstanding. It was actually talked about. This is why
ABC needed to go ahead and settle. So, I I
don't know why he's so outraged. He had to apologize
to avoid that settlement, which I think the settlement would
have gone Trump's way. But I think the reason he's
so mad is he's thinking in his head, I've gotten
away with so much worse I've done when when I worked,
when I was a communications guy for Clinton, when I

(01:28:23):
was the campaigned, in the eight years on the presidency
in the White House, and now I've done so much worse.
How is this the one that has to get me?
That's what he's mad about. He's been getting over on
the people for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Did he say during the Clinton campaign in ninety two
that created so much contraries about a mobile home park?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
And I think that was carval sing car drag one
hundred dollars bill to large gain.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
See, I thought that was defanopolis. Now, but you know
he covered up for all of Clints over.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
There, and as the communications guy for the Clinton administration,
they just got away with murder.

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
Look.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
They would fire people everywhere. I mean remember the track office.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Oh yeah, I mean, I haven't forbid you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Organize a travel for a Republican You're out of here,
and they we want our own travel people in here.
I mean they they would fire everyone and anyone. Nobody
seemed to have a problem with it. I mean they
even did their resignations.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
We'll give you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
We'll give you a payout if you leave, and two
hundred thousand federal workers took him up on it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
If you're Trump, you didn't. You did not watch the
Super Bowl this year, so you have no take on
the ads.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
I've tried to watch. Yeah, I saw the jeep one
with Harrison Ford.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
And that's the one that that was. That was the
one that has been declared the winner of this That's
so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Is I only see about I've only watched about three
and now, but that one when he whispers and my
name is Ford, that's the that's the part.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
That maybe that was a good line. Yeah, I mean,
you know, it's kind of small sea America's great jeeps
everything else, but uh Arison Ford apparently declared the winner
of the Super Bowl ads, and that was a great line.
My name's Ford.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Jeep's my favorite. My name is Ford. But no, but
even when you talk about unity and everything, these are
these are the things we want to hear. And he's
kind of woke, that guy. So nice. Welcome, welcome over
to the other side, Eric Harrison.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Thanks Harrison. We'll visit your home up in Jackson the
hole soon. Yeah, that's it for us. Head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family. We'll talk to
you tomorrow at four

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