The Rod and Greg Show: Senator Mike Lee on Shutdown; Is Trump's Use of National Guard Legal?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're here for you, folks. We're going to unpack it
all and have some great discussions also with Center Mike Lee. Yep,
that's coming up in this hour. So if you're listening,
you don't want to go far because that's a good
interview and we want to hear what the good Center
has to say. A couple issues right front the center
with him in the in the Senate for.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Show and the Army major general he's retired now now
a member of the ujah House of Reps. Representative Jefferson
Burton will join us and he'll be talking about National
Guard troops going to Illinois, going to Portland, and if
the President has the authority to do that, it is
does by the way.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, and I think this is what we'll hear from
Representative Burton. But I think having led the National Guard
here in the state of Utah and been that person,
he knows when you're answering to a state versus when
you're a National Guard and answering to the President. He
will know those details in a way that I think
will better can describe it better than what we've heard
for others try to do. So that's going to be

(00:56):
a great conversation as well.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, he'll join us at the bottom of this hour
in the five o'clock Howard the President, he loves to
stir things uping, oh does he? He is now floating
this idea out there, and I, like you said, it's
it's pure britmanship, which it is. But the possibility of
not giving federal employees back pay as a result of
the government shutdown, well, won't that turn up the heat

(01:17):
a little bit?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
If if people think that they're not going to get
the back pay, they're not on some you know, unplanned vacation,
but this is a this is their personal time, unpaid
personal Ooh, might turn up the heat a little bit.
But I thought we were going to see some furloughs.
I don't know if that's happened yet, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thought he was No. He threatened that again today three
to five days he made a side.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, because I mean I thought this was a great
opportunity for him to you know, sind out the herd
so to speak of that bureaucracy, that swamp, which I
wouldn't be upset if he did.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah. Well, the question of the day, I think, as
we start to show off on this really gorgeous Tuesday afternoon.
There on the outside is who puts something in Pam
Bundy's coffee or cereal this morning to make her so upset?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
M she came loaded forber. She didn't mince words, did she.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, No, she did not. I mean she went after
every Democratic senator on that panel, including Dick Durbin, Richard Blumenthal,
and Adam Schiff, and she was not going to let
them get away with anything. Right. Well, it started with
Derbin and she basically she got some question from Dick Durbin,
who honestly had no idea what he was getting into,

(02:25):
I think when he ran into Pam Bondy. But first
of all, they talked about Chicago, crime in Chicago and
what's being done, and she laid it out pretty heavily
about the crime stats and the Windy City.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Your city has a murder rate five times higher than
New York's five hundred and seventy one homicides last year.
If you were serious about protecting your people, you would
be asking this administration for help. You're saying that we're
coming into your state and your city. We're there to

(02:58):
help make America safe and Illinois safe, whether or not
you want to.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Then she ripped into Sandra Durbid and when he basically
asked her, give us some justification as to why you're
sending National Guard troops from Texas into Chicago, here's our response.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
You won't even say whether you talk to the White
House about this.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I am not going to discuss any internal conversations with
the White House with you, Ranking Member.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
I noticed that, what's the secret? Why do you want
to keep this secret to American people? Don't know the
rationale behind the deployment of National Guard troops in my state.
The word is, and I think it's been confirmed by
the White House they are going to transfer Texas National
Guard units to the state of Illinois. What's the rationale
for that?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Chairman? As you shut down the government, you voted to
shut down the government, and you're sitting here.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Our law enforcement officers.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Aren't being paid. They're out there working to protect you.
I wish you loved Chicago as much as you hate
President Trump, and currently the National Guard are on the
way to Chicago. If you're not going to protect your citizens, President.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Trump will I think they said on the Big Bang Theory, Badzinga,
and I.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Think that was so Let me tell you there's a
there's a little trick in politics. It's like, answer the
question you want to answer, not the one you were asked.
I don't know if the Senator was asking specifically what
the Attorney General answered, but what she wanted to make clear.
And by the way, I wouldn't I wouldn't share the
the internal workings or strategies of the Attorney General with

(04:28):
in working with the president with a Senate committee. Certainly,
the Democrats that that only want to weaponize whatever answer
you give them. However, I think that the federal nexus
is important, and I think that when when you see
in Chicago these ice agents boxed in by multiple vehicles,
when you see the way them attempting to enforce federal
laws being stopped, in the lack of response or the

(04:49):
slow response of Chicago PD, the really uh you know,
divisive and really adversarial language coming from the Governor of
Illinois as well as the mayor of Chicago, the federal
nexus is so clear. You can do this to protect
if enforcing federal law has to happen, and it's not oppression.

(05:10):
It's not that they are not oppressed people. And that's
that's the biggest reason you have National Guard going in there.
From my observations, not that I've talked to the Eterney General,
but I think we have eyes. I think we have ears.
I think we can see and hear exactly why they're
deploying the National Guard into into Illinois and into Chicago.
And I think that the murder rate will go down

(05:30):
with their increased presence. So you know, he's asking those questions,
but he he knows what, he.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Knows what did well, then she wasn't done.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
That's right, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
She then turned her guns to sender Richard Blumenthal. Right,
they got into a heated exchange with him accusing him
of lying about his military record. Join me in supporting
that kind of reform.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Senator Blumenthal. I find it so interesting that you didn't
bring any of this up during President Biden's administration, when
he was doing everything to protect Hunter Biden, his son.
And I think you just saw what Director Radcliffe just
released information. If I can finish answering the question, I'm
not going to yell over you, I'm not going to
get in the gutter with you, but information information that

(06:16):
the Biden administration told them not to investigate Hunter Biden's
involvement with Ukraine, and I'm not going to be to
you about being in the military just to be elected
as senator.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh wow, she laid it on pretty thick.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Today, she did. And you know, Congress actually deserves this
because they don't actually work. There's not actually any work
being done. All of this is this is all political kabuki.
The it is, it is, and it's and I hate
saying that all the time, but really they don't have
committee hearings to move the needle to forward legislation or
budget considerations. This is all for tonight's you know, the

(06:57):
just for sound bites and for social media. That's all
that's going on here, you know. And there is no decorum.
But you can't lay it at the Attorney General's feet,
Pam Bondi. There's they the Democrats left the issue of
Roberts or Mason rules of order, whatever they're supposed to
use in that committee, and decorum all those things have
been they they they left that long ago. And so

(07:20):
you know, you you re what yourself and that's what
that's why you get committee hearings like this.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
You sure do what the exchange that was today? All right,
morey coming up Utah Senator Mike Lee will join us.
We'll talk about the latest story about the FBI spying
on US senators and the shutdown. What's the status. Well,
they'll come up next right here on The Rotten Greg
Show Chuck Grassley. Late Monday, he released them to redacted
documents and basically what they showed Greg was that Jack Smith,

(07:47):
special prosecutor in the Justice Department under the Biden administration,
spied on eight US senators, all Republican senators during I
guess they called it Arctic Frost. I guess that was
the name of the investigation.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, I think we're going to start. We're going to
talk about this with a good senator, Senator Lee. But
I think we're starting to get numb. Some of these
things are so shocking and wrong that they're surveilling our
United States senators and that they're acting this way. But
how much of this can your mind absorb before it
starts You start to become numb to it. So it's

(08:20):
pretty serious and we have to really talk about it.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Sendor. Mike Lee joining us on our newsmaker line right
now to talk about us. Sender, thanks for joining us.
What do you make of this? Story on the FBI
spuying on Republican senators.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Yeah, look, this is crazy. It's just been revealed to
us that Biden administration spied on members of the legislative branch,
including eight Republican US Senators, in a scandal rivaling Watergate.
So next time you hear a Democrat asking about these
morphous threats to quote unquote our democracy, ask them what

(08:53):
they said about this particularly dark episode in American history.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
This is not cool.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Look, your government takes money from you, from all taxpayers,
and in the circumstances, in this circumstances, using it to
lie and spy on lawbliding citizens, including elected officials. This
is completely unacceptable. They're not supposed to be doing this.
They know they're not supposed to be doing this. It's
a good reason to clip the wings of any agency
that's involved in this.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Why did they do it, senorly, why did they do.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
It because they could? Because they could.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
In the days following January sixth, there was a sentiment
that developed in the days, weeks and months that following
from that that all is fair when investigating anything under
the cover of January sixth, anything having to do with
January sixth, and keep in mind this wasn't the first

(09:45):
time this has happened. We certainly would be hopelessly naive
if we believe that it would be the last absence
some real repair work. And so commerce needs to fix this,
and it's apparent to me that they need more reform.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Of the deep state.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Is the deep state is not going to reform itself.
It's got to gout this apparatus like a fish.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
We got to.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Reform authorities like Fizos seven oh two and clip the
wings of government so that it can't abuse its authority
this way.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
You know, Senator, I think a human instinct is to
try and normalize the things around you. You're just trying
to get your equilibrium, So you're trying to so the
volume of information we're getting, any piece of it should
be enough to do everything you're saying in terms of
the reform and just take it apart and rebuild it
into something that has integrity. You're talking two hundred and

(10:41):
fifty at least somewhere around that number of FBI agents
that were in the crowd of January sixth, which is
news to us.

Speaker 7 (10:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
That doesn't feel comfortable. I'm not comfortable with that and
what their role necessarily was. You have the experiences that
Tulsea Gabber went through where she was being followed during
the Biden administration and the way she was treated, And
now you find out that eight senators were being surveilled
after January sixth. Do I don't see Bernstein Woodward run

(11:10):
around interviewing you. Maybe they have. But if how to
quantify what you said about how we have to do
something about this, share with our listeners, what's the first
couple of steps. I mean, we really do have to
do something, and I think that it can just overwhelm
us in terms of the draconian nature of the Biden
administration and the Democrats. What real things can we look
at when we see happening, know that we're making progress

(11:32):
to address these what's happened?

Speaker 6 (11:37):
First and foremost people need to talk about it, and
they mean to talk about it openly and honestly and
express how they feel about it. Most Americans that I know,
regardless of their party, aren't okay with this sort of thing.
They're not okay with the law enforcement and surveillance apparrets
of the US government being weaponized politically to fight political
battles against the foes, the political enemies of the incumbent administration.

(12:05):
This is not at all acceptable. Meanwhile, you've got the
news media, many people within the mainstream news media doing
their darkness to either not report on this or to
undersell it, or to do what Politico did just in
the last couple of hours running a story accusing my
colleague Senator Josh Holly from Missouri for referring to it

(12:27):
as a wiretap. Okay, fine, a wiretap technically refers to
something else. I mean, technically we don't. We don't tap
phones these days, with physical wires at their other things,
And this circumstances wasn't necessarily What we know about is
not necessarily the collection of content of conversations, but rather
what we call metadata, Who called who, when they spoke,

(12:49):
how long they spoke, where they were when they spoke,
and so forth. Even that is something they weren't supposed
to be doing, but instead political when we're reporting on it,
prefers to refer to it is. Oh, Josh Holly was
wrong because he didn't use the right word.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Give me the biggest break. Let's move on SUDRA. Let's
talk about the shutdown. Give us a status report. On
the shutdown. Where do you think things are headed right now?

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Okay, so Democrats have shut down the government demanding more
of cure tax dollars to support illegals, and they can't
pretend otherwise. Now we are now fully into we're about
halfway through day seven of the Schumer shutdown, and the
Democrats fig Leaf proposal to stop the shutdown failed because well,

(13:35):
it was designed to fail from the outset. They know
that it never had a chance. For whatever reason, Democrats
want the Schumer shutdown to continue. So meanwhile they're refusing
to pass a so called clean cr supported by Republicans,
one that would keep everything open and running and funded,
and they're holding government hostage that turned back the clock
on policy victories that we made in the One Big

(13:57):
Beautiful Bill, which would enable illegal aliens once more if
Democrats have their way to benefit from American tax dollars.
So we have to remember this. We can't forget the
fact that ultimately the reason Democrats lost seats in the
House and then att the Senate and then lost the
White House, they lost control of all three of the

(14:18):
political levers of the two political branches, meaning the House,
the Senate, and the White House. They lost that because
their policies were out of touch with the preferences of
the American people and they were harmful. Now that it's
being apparent that that's the case, and we have now
once in the majority, we have secured significant policy victories

(14:39):
to undo some of the hellish arm inflicted by the
Democrats over the last four years. They're trying to reverse
even those, but they're overflying their hand. It's not going
to work.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
So that's my question, Senator, do your colleagues hold strong.
Do they capitulate and go to these you know, the
COVID years and make that a new base line for
healthcare whatever it is that they're going to ask for
that Schumer is going to demand. Do you give into
those demands or any of those or do you hold
strong and ask for a clean CR and get a

(15:10):
clean CR continued resolution through the Senate?

Speaker 6 (15:15):
We look we're going to hold strong. No one could
argue that what we've offered them errs on the side
of generosity, and it certainly does. I mean, we're talking
about bidened era spending levels that we're on the table
that they themselves rejected in order to keep the government funded,
and so they're saying, no, we're not going to let

(15:36):
you fund anything in government unless you're willing to undo
policy victories that you Republicans have secured since winning the
November twenty twenty four elections resoundingly. We're not going to
let you fund anything in government unless, among other things,
you're willing to undo changes in law that made it

(15:56):
so illegal aliens can't continue to get free tax payer
funded healthcare in this country, the same illegal aliens that
fifteen million or so that Biden let in in fighting
this full scale invasion across our southern border.

Speaker 8 (16:12):
You're saying that.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
Unless we undo those changes in law, they're not going
to let us fund anything in government. We're not giving
into that.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
No way you tell s under Mike Lee. Thank you,
Sender Lee for joining us on The Rodden Gregg Show
and Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kynas is the
president's decision to dispatch the National Guard to Washington, d C.
To Chicago, to Portland, and boy, there are blue city
mayors who are none too happy with what he's trying
to do.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's right. There's a there's a lot of controversy. Now.
You know, you would think that public safety and the
assistance of the of the National Guard and would be appreciated.
And I think it is in what Memphis. I think,
you know, I think there's a better relationship there anyway
to join, you know, to join our show and to
give us some clarity from the man who would know

(16:57):
would be a state Representative Jefferson Burton, who also served
as the lead of the Utah National Guard. And so
I don't know, General Representative Burton? What what what's proper
salutation should I greet you with, sir?

Speaker 9 (17:13):
Anything works for me. Greg. Just happy to be with
you and to talk about this topic that is non controversial.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I know, you know, it's it's you. It's we're lucky
to have you because you you've worn a lot of
different hats, and you've been a leader in this state
and a bunch of different capacities. One is leading our
national Guard, and so you know the relationship between the
President of the United States and when he calls uh,
you know, our national Guard. But I saw this during
the Gulf War. I saw the deployments for Utah National Guard,

(17:42):
but also the relationship with the governor and what happens
there maybe share with our our audience. Does President Trump
have the authority to deploy the National Guard if the
governor of a respective state has not asked for them.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, Greg, absolutely he does. Article two sections of
the Constitution makes the President the commander in chief of
the United States Armed Forces and of the state militias
when called to serve a federal purpose. And so if
you look at the statutory authorities that are out there,
and I know them well because you know, I was

(18:18):
called up several times our forces were for different actions,
that the President has the authority under the title tenant
of the United States Code to call up the National
Guard without the governor's consent in certain circumstances. And from
my perspective, President Trump has followed the law. He's gotten

(18:39):
good legal counsel. Now you may argue, well, why are
these judges overturning some of the actions that he's taking.
It's a matter of opinion. When you look at that
Oregon judge's finding, she just simply said that this situation
wasn't strong enough for him to have called in the

(19:00):
Guard in this situation. So it's a matter of opinion.
But constitutionally he has the right.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Does he have the right to call National guardsmen from
other state like they're doing in Illinois. They're calling him up,
I understand from Texas. As a matter of fact, they
may already be there. Does he have a right to
do that?

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Representative Burton, Well, if if he does it for the
purposes that he's describing, which is to protect federal facilities
and federal agents, and he absolutely does if in his opinion,
the leader in that state is not taking care of business.
I mean, what is government's responsibility. It's at the basic level,

(19:38):
it's to provide safety and security for tax paying American citizens.
And there's just a disagreement obviously between the governor of
Illinois and the governor of Oregon and the governor of
California on these matters.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
So Representative here's my question. You know, it wasn't It's
been discussed for some time, a National Guard coming in
the homicide rate and the just the Yeah, the homicide
rate in Chicago is a war zone and it's and
it doesn't have a comparison New York City is not
that bad. A lot of our metropolitan areas in the
country or not. However, you know, talking about whether the

(20:15):
National Guard can be there and they're being an emergency
and constitutionally doing it. I've always believed there needed to
be a federal nexus because they've been talking about this,
be it Governor Pritzker or the mayor of Chicago. Didn't
they just walk right into this when people started boxing
in with vehicles ice agents. If a federal law enforcement's
trying to enforce federal law and you have the chaos

(20:38):
and the violence that's going on in Chicago right now
stopping the federal agents from doing it, doesn't that give
a clear path for the National Guard to go in
and assist. Are those federal agents and the duty that
they're trying to perform.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
Well, from my perspective, it does. And Greg, I mean
to your point, the largest police union has come out
very strongly condemning what the city of Chicago did, And
as you said, Chicago looks like Bagdat. In fact, it's
worse than Bagdad was in some periods of the war.
And to have elected officials, it's pure malpractice in my opinion,

(21:13):
to not, you know, make sure that good citizens are
protected from the violence is going on in that city.
It's rampant, and it blows my mind that judges out
there are making decisions based on they don't think it's
a high enough level for the president of calling troops.
So from my perspective, these folks are committing mal practice

(21:35):
and the President's just trying to restore order.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yes, Representative Burton, what exactly is the role of the
National Guard in these cities? Are they there just to
protect federal property and federal employees or can they do
things to help fight crime in other areas of the city.
Are they restricted as to what they can and cannot do.

Speaker 9 (21:55):
It depends on the code the president uses, And to
my understanding, he's been using United States Code twelve four
oh six, and that one is for this one is
for repelling invasion, And so the president is that this
is invasion. He's using that as his premise. Some disagree

(22:16):
with that. But when law enforcement isn't performing the duties,
the National Guard can be brought in, and in that case,
Posse Comitatus Act, which simply means that the military cannot
perform law enforcement activities, it doesn't apply. So what that
means is under twelve four oh six, yes, the Guard
could do more. They could assist in law enforcement duties.

(22:39):
But I think to this point they've just been used
to protect and dissuade some of the bad activities.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Representative Burton, love your insight. Thank you very much for
spending a few minutes with us.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Thank you all right, have a good day, gay Hey,
thank you all right.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
As Representative Jeff Burton, one time retired military general.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yes, I worked, I speak. He was writing the National
Guard and we worked together. And he is he's a patriot.
He's a soldier, but he's also now a great state lawmaker.
So he's doing it'sportant. Like I said, he's worn different
hats and he's always done it very well.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
All right, we appreciate his inside. All right. More coming up.
It is the Rod and Greg Show on this Tuesday
and Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, an Ars,
you aren't a country music fan, are you?

Speaker 10 (23:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Not really? I mean I don't hate it, but on
a series it doesn't show up on my playlist. Let's
just say that.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I just wonder if country music stations around the country
are playing this latest song from Zach Bryan. Do you
hear about this song?

Speaker 11 (23:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Very anti ice? Now you think country and country music
very patriotic Christ But he's written a new song and
just goes after ice like you wouldn't believe. Really, yeah,
on a a country artist doing that. I mean, here's
some of the lyrics. Don't wake up dead or in jail,
some out of town boys being given us. Hell, I
got some bad news. I woke up missing you, my

(23:53):
friends and all the degenerates. But that's all I've got.
The generational story of dropping the plot. I heard the
cops came. That's why. I mean, yeah, it calls the
man efforts, you name it. Who's Luke Bryant, Zach Bryant.
I don't know Zach By hardly at all, but well,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
The one thing I have liked about country music is
how patriotic they everybody is and this time but not that. Yeah,
it's like Die Chicks didn't want to be Dixie Chicks.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Well remember they got after Bush when they were out
of the country at a concert. Yeah, and that kind
of sent them packing.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yep, yep, anyway, too bad. I mean I don't know
where they again. If you are breaking the law, you
are not oppressed. If you are enforcing federal law, you
are not an oppressor. Okay, it's not oppression to enforce
federal law. That's why we have laws. It's it's an
upside down world when you say otherwise.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah. One of the note remember of the story we
talked about yesterday, This was that a little girl, little
boy who wanted a She went to build a bear
and wanted to and they wouldn't do it right. Well,
now we have another story. A apparently a maga hat
has triggered a card player into allegedly being banned from
a champion a championship entering tour tournament. He can't play

(25:08):
because he wore.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
A kind of hat.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
What kind of card game it was? It was a
poker tournament, poker tournament, poker tournament.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Oh please, yeah, yeah, that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
They said, you can't play because you're wearing a mega hat.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Make America great again? Isn't that offensive? Isn't that terrible
at a poker game?

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Really? Is it that bad?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Folks don't don't understand it. I really don't, But I
don't know. Sometimes these people come to their senses once
a little bit of scrutiny has come their way and
people know what they're doing. They can't really, it doesn't really,
you know, stand under the bright lights and they kind
of change their direction. Maybe that'll happen with the Build
a Bear and yeah, whatever this if it's the only
poker tournament, I know, that's a big deal as a

(25:48):
world series opposed. Yeah, it's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I wonder if they banned Maga hat.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I would hope not. I haven't. I used to watch
that tournament, though I don't watch that anymore. I get
I'm bored of it.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Now, did you learn anything?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
No, Actually you'll never learn anything watching it because they
take hours. They take twelve hours of a game and
down and narrow it down to an hour. So you
think every hand's hot when you watch, when you watch
it on TV, it's a total it's not how it's played.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
All right.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
When we come back, the President is floating yet another
controversial idea. Yes, yeah, we'll get your take on that
coming up right here. Our number two of the Rod
and Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Is honest way, I think we take this hour, Rod
and we delve into the concept that President Trump is.
You know, he's got some trial balloons out there. He's
just seeing, you know, throw what stick? Throw things at
the wall, see what sticks. He wants to say, Hey,
how about we not back we won't provide backpack pay.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, he's kind of it's kind of sprinkling that idea
over the scrambled eggs.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, you know that that tastes.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I mean it's a memo that's in circulation. Yes, But
apparently the president claims or they're looking at the possibility
that there is legal standing that he and the federal government,
we the American taxpayer, do not have to pay federal employees,
any employee who is being shut down as a result
of the shutdown. The government shutdown right down, so we

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wouldn't have to give them back pay.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's an interesting concept, and I'll tell you, I just
I love it because for a couple of reasons. One,
anything he says, the left just loses their mind. I
mean he can just put a he could just put
a Trump twenty twenty eight sign or hat on a lose.
They'll just go nuts. I mean they just they are
just he control them like nobody's business. And maybe this

(27:35):
is just to maybe put a pep in their step
on the Democrats side and say, look, we're if all
these federal employees think they're on a paid holiday, they're not.
The boy would the stake rise if that was the case.
But it might be just a negotiating point, who knows.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, Well, here's the memo. This's what the memo points out.
This is the memo that's circulating in the White House
right now about what the president is thinking about doing.
It points to amended languae wage in the Government Employee
Fair Treatment Act otherwise known as Gift to Okay, and
it says compensation for furloughed employees is subject to the

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enactment of appropriations Acts ending the lapse. Okay goes on
to say, in other words, the offense of management and
budget are you? In its legal analysis, the bill only
guarantees back pay if Congress passes a bill providing it.
If they don't pass a bill for you know, to
provide it, then the Trump administration may be thinking, you

(28:33):
have passed a bill that we don't have to pay.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I don't think Congress knows how to pass bills, So
I think that I think that they're doomed because if
it takes Congress to pass a bill, you have we
seen it. I mean, it just doesn't really happen, does it,
Especially when you need sixty in the Senate. That pretty
much shuts it down. Yeah, the Democrats don't want to work,
and that's why we're shut down literally because you can't
get sixty votes in the Senate.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Now as expected. Greg, The Democrats and even some Republicans
are howling over this idea.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Why the Republicans take the bait? Yes, just let the
Democrats howl on their own.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's it's just a trial balloon. But of course there
are some Republicans right right into it, but not all
of them. I mean, look at this coming from Representative
Derek van Orton. He's a Republican in Wisconsin. He believes
the government should have no non essential employees, just as
a private company wouldn't pay for staff it doesn't need.
He mentioned that, you know, so if you have a

(29:24):
non essential employee, that that basically, how would you like
be considered a non essential employee?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah? I can't even comprehend it. I'm so essential. I
just can't even believe the world. If we're not here,
what would happen.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well, here's what you get. If we're not here, here's
what you'd get.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's silence, at least in Utah. I mean, I don't think.
I don't think we have an equivalent here.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
There aren't. There aren't other conservative voices out there, but
apparently Again, like you said, this is just I think
some gamesmanship on the part of the President trying to
bring a Look, now, he hasn't announced the permanent layoffs yet,
which we've been he's indicated he has the authority to
do that, and the OMB director has the authority to

(30:07):
do that. He hasn't done that yet. He's now floating
this idea he's trying to put some pressure on the
Democrats to come to their sense.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, I'll tell you what brinkmanship aside. If you look
at the increase in number of employees over the last
ten years in the swamp, it is unjustifiable. And this
was I believe the moment where he was going to
be able to thin the herd and clean out the
swamp a little bit of all over the you know,
there's just too many employees. They've just they've bloated themselves
beyond belief. So I hope that happens no matter what.

(30:35):
But I have a trou balloon I'd like to just
float right now. Okay, related to this, absolutely, ok Nashville.
It turns out that Nashville is announcing that their air
traffic control towers are going to go dark for five
hours tonight due to a severe staffing shortage. And this
is the second FAA facility in just two days to
shut down because of a lack of personnel. Here's my

(30:57):
trial balloon. Who's more essential? Who's more of an essential employee?
Is it our air traffic controllers or members of Congress?
I think if you can't get a bill passed, that
you aren't essential. And I would take every dime sent
to every every member of Congress, send it over to
those air traffic controllers, give them double pay because they're
working so hard and they're overstaffed. You know, they get

(31:18):
they have a lack of staffing. They're essential. I would say,
Congress is not. Let's let's go let's do that one.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I like, I huh. I would just see what the
President did today. I mean he took a lot of
money is coming into the country right now because of
the tariffs, yes, right, and he said today we're going
to take some of that money and pay for is
it a meals program for kids and families who need help?
We will keep that going because we'll use this money

(31:44):
that is that came to us from the tariffs.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah. Yeah, So that that story is that Trump just
saved the Women and Children's Food Program from losing money
during the shut the Democrats shutdown. Why because we have
two hundred The federal government has collected two hundred billion
in tariffs, and that money he can use to BRIDGE
because it wasn't that it's not accounted for. The more
than two hundred billion coming into the coffers from the

(32:10):
tariffs will preserve the Women and Children's Food Program CHIP,
so it will not be cut off while the government
are shut down.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Good for the president.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
So CHIP is alive and well because there was money.
There is revenue that the repederal garners receiving that hasn't
been spoken for in the tariffs, and he was able
to put that towards CHIP to keep it from shutting down.
Such a such a fascist and a Nazi and a
terrible man.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Is an authoritarian, doesn't care about people.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
So terrible all that protecting public safety and trying to
keep people from me a murdered in these cities. Yeah,
it's just so so yeah, yeah tyrannical.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, Well, we'd like to know tonight what you think
about this idea. Now it's just an idea. It may
be bringmanship. It's greg explained maybe a little game plane
going on here to get the Democrats to, you know,
open the government up again. But what about the idea
of not paying employees affected the shut down back pay?
Eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero.
Let's quickly go to the phones and Ron is in

(33:06):
Layton tonight run way in on this.

Speaker 10 (33:08):
What do you say, Well, I think there's another aspect
to this that that you should look at real quick,
and and that is that there are a lot of
employees for the state of Utah that are federally funded.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
For an example, my son in law went over to
work for services and they're closed. And the reason they're
closed is because they get a lot of federal federal
funding for grants and and I think they have to
they have to shut down. And so if you don't
pay back pay, then those state employees aren't going to

(33:53):
get paid either.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
I used to I used to work for emergency Management
and my paycheck for twenty one years was from FEMA.
FEMA didn't pay me, but every year the state negotiated
with FEMA and they gave us a pot of money
that paid my salary.

Speaker 13 (34:11):
RNN, you bring.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's a good pot of money. Yeah, now Ron, Ron
brings up a good point. There are you know some
so our state of Utah, I know this, at least
part of this is that we don't want more federal
bureaucracy and offices and employees coming in here. So the
state will make an arrangement with the federal government where
they'll administer those federal programs and there's money that comes
with those. I think that's what Ron was talking about. Yeah,
and I and so that ripple effect of not paying

(34:34):
the back pay, it might be it might ripple out
a little bit further than people think.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight
five seven o eight zero one zero on your cell
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coming up. Our members of both political parties are kind
of bristling at this idea. But apparently the White House
has a memo out there arguing that the federal workers

(35:02):
who've been furloughed as part of the government shutdown are
not necessarily entitled to back pay.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Interesting, and then we learn from one of our colors
and it is absolutely true that some of the state
employees that we have in the state of Utah, where
there we didn't ask for the federal government to come
in and you know, set up offices and get us more.
Were our state offices or our state government actually does
that federal role for them, which I like. I actually

(35:29):
like keeping our state guys with their eyes, guys and
gals their eyes on it. So this would impact them
as well.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Certainly, let's go to the phones. We begin in Ogden tonight.
Tom wants to weigh in on this on the Roden
Greg Show. Tom, How you doing, Thanks for joining.

Speaker 14 (35:41):
Us, Yeah, thanks for having me. Just one quick comment.
I just I thought it should be interesting. It's really
the federal funding streams. I don't mean federal employees obviously
they get paid by the government. I mean federal funding
streams that reach down of the individual level. In terms
of a benefit. It's like, what do you call the
major stakeholder and a company you don't fifty percent of
the stock, you called them the primary stakeholder, right.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Uh huh oh.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Interesting. So you're saying that if there was a if
you're Tom, You're saying that if there's if there's a
benefit it's just comes straight to the to the taxpayer.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (36:15):
Well, I'm saying the fact that we have federal funding
streams to the individual taxpayer. It allows the federal government
to drive the train and puts in the situation that
we're in. I mean, you don't if you're if you're
going to accept federal money at fifty one percent level,
you're going to accept federal direction and control.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Good point.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
It is true, and we do and you know that.
And that's why I find all those lawsuits where you know,
Harvard thought they could sue because they were entitled to
the federal money. It's saying, now, when you take the
federal money, you take the deal. And the deal is
that if the Feds, the Feds get to the side
and and it is, it's disproportion It's why they give
you federal money. Okay, let's keep going. Let's talk to
Julie in South Jordan. Julie, thank you for holding. Welcome

(36:52):
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
Hi, Rodding Greg.

Speaker 15 (36:57):
I love you guys, and I love your show, and
thank you you do. I just wanted to say that
I'm tired of the government holding our American people hostage
and those who should get back pay. Are really only
those who are making the vote to shut down the government.
If we held back their pay and didn't pay them
any back pay, they'd probably vote differently.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
So you're talking about every Democrat in Congress, both the
House and Senate right now. There are three Democrats who've
got along, single one. Yeah, there are three Democrats who've
gone along.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I'm with Julie on that. I think they definitely should.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Again, I was back in DC and the end of July,
and I was is there with the family, but I
the PEP and everybody step to try and get things done,
big beautiful bill decisions, act everything so they could enjoy
their August recess was a bit much. It seemed like yeah, kids,
last day of school type stuff. Everybody just want to
get out so bad they'd vote on anything. Well, how

(37:49):
can we come up with that kind of self interest
to get them to vote for the American people? Because, boy,
that August recess had it a lot of weight.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, sure did, Sure did all right. Getting your calls
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two to fifteen, say hey
Rod or leave us a comment on our talkback line
let's check in with our talkback line and see what
our listeners have to say.

Speaker 16 (38:12):
Hey, Rod and Greg, love your show. I'd like to
see a different mental circulating that the Senate can't go
home until the government reopens. Getting sick and tired of
them taking all these breaks. Have them negotiate, get a deal,
and maybe they can get paid, but they shouldn't shut
down until it's resolved.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
That's that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Has anyone ever looked at how many actual days lawmakers work?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I saw it on a counter once, and it is
would it frighten people? Well, I think they get a
week off until they get their months off. Yeah, so
I think they work three out of the four weeks. Oh,
they remember this too. There was a time when people
in Washington Congress and on also the Senate resided almost
full time in Washington and went back to their districts irregularly.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, And people frowned upon that. So they then wanted
their their representer or their center to live mostly at
home or try to Well what that ends up being
is and I don't know which was better, which scenario
is better? But you fly in on Monday, you get
to work, you know you get in you just show
up Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, you're heading to the You
know you're either going to the airport Thursday night or
on Friday. You're in travel. So you're getting about three

(39:23):
days of the five that you're actually working.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, let me ask you that do they come home
and work?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
So that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
So are they are they meeting with constituents? Are they
trying to get things done here in the state. I'd
like to know what they do.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I think the trend really is during their times of recess,
they probably have more town hall meetings. So in August, say,
members of Congress probably have more town hall meetings with
constituents in August than they do while they're in session.
So I don't know if they're meeting. I'm sure there
are occasions where they are. But you get three days on,
four days off, you get two travel days in the week,

(39:58):
and you get it the weekend. I don't know. Maybe
I'm wrong, but I don't know that the back and
forth is getting us. He didn't have anything done, any
sweat equity coming out of there.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I don't see a whole lot getting done to begin with.
Do you now all right, We've got a lot more
calls to get to. In your comments on our talk
back line. You know, the President floating the idea of
possibly federal workers who've been furloughed by the shutdown not
get backed pay. What do you think of that idea?
More of your comments coming up on the Rotten Greg
show people federal employees who were impacted by this government shutdown,

(40:28):
and normally they would get back pay. As a matter
of fact, I think there's a law it's called gift
to that they have to get back pay. But apparently
the President and the director of the Omb, Russell vatt
Is that his name, have found maybe a way around
this not to pay him. Now, this may be gamesmanship,
just kind of forcing the Democrats to get back to work,
but we don't know as of yet.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
We don't an idea. It's an idea, it's being floated.
I think he's trolling the Democrats. I think that there
is a desire for people to take it seriously, but
to put the pressure on the Democrats to just vote
for all this thing is is a status quo. It
doesn't actually add anything, and they should just do what
they've been doing in the past. It's it's they're not
trying to add anything to this anyway.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
No, they aren't. As a matter of fact, Greg, Before
we go to our callers, a new poll out tonight
finds a large majority of Americans want COVID nineteen era
policies done away with. Yes, and they don't want to think.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's so weirds this is a Biden budget. That is,
as Senator Lee pointed out, that they're they're voting against,
it doesn't it doesn't shrink the budget like we need.
It's actually just going status quo. And still the Democrats
don't want to see it. So let's go to our
smartest listening audience and all the land. Let's go to
Penny and Farmington. Penny's been on hold. Penny, welcome to

(41:41):
the Rod and Greg Show. What do you think about
this laying off the or not giving that providing back
pay for federal employees because of the shutdown?

Speaker 12 (41:51):
Do you any stretching?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Hello?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Penny? Are you there?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Are you there? Penny? I think obviously let's move on.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Okay, Let's go to Gene, who's been waiting in Salt
Lake City. Jane, welcome to the program.

Speaker 17 (42:09):
Hi, I've worked for different companies in my career. When
those companies are struggling with payroll or benefits, what happens
is that the people who are the most talented, experience
and capable they jump because they can. They can find

(42:31):
another job somewhere. And so what happens when you go
through that, and the government would be no different, is
that your best employees, hardest workers motivated once they'll jump
because they can, and you'll be left with your less
performing employees. So it's an undintimded consequence.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Well, you know that is such a good insight. It's true.
You get stuck with the deadwood, is what Gene's saying. Yeah,
because they have nowhere to go. Whereas people that have
some skill sets, they're like, you know, this looks a
little too chaotic to me, too uncertain. I'm just gonna
go ahead and get a steady check in and get
out of this.

Speaker 16 (43:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And there are a lot of employees Greg who do that.
They look at us say, eh, company's kind of maybe
I'll go elsewhere. I'll test the waters. And sometimes they
test the waters land in something better. Sometimes they test
the water say yeah, I think I'll stay right here.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, No, I think that's an important observation, because we
do want to thin the herd, but we don't want
to lose the good ones and keep the bad ones. Okay,
how about Austin and Riverton. Austin, thank you for joining
us on the Rotting Greg Show. What do you think
about all this?

Speaker 10 (43:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (43:37):
Thank you, guys. I played a little bit of ignorance
on this one because I'm just barely kind of getting
into getting into politics and following it. But my wife
is about to get a job at the Veterans of
America here in Salt Lake, and my understanding of furlough
is that they still get their pay, so this might
not apply to back pay. But the point I'd like

(43:59):
to make the fact that, you know, the federal government
Senate Democrats specifically in this case, they are the one
shutting the government down, which would affect the VA and
they would all have to go home and not get paid.
I've venture to bet that most of these people, regardless
of what side of that out, they just want to
go to work and help people and make a paycheck

(44:21):
for their family.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
You're absolutely right, and and it's a good and it
actually I think points to an observation made by a
caller that the people that should really be losing their
pay right now and no back pay are the members
of Congress in the Senate specifically, who have shut this
government down, and it's on them and they have and
I think there should be a consequence to that, and
I think, you know, that's where the that's where the

(44:45):
blame directly lies is with those that can't just keep
the status quo, keep the budget as it is. The
presidents said, we can negotiate going forward, you just can't
do this brinkmanship and you can't try to erase what
was in the big beautiful bill. They're trying to get
rid of some policies and that's why they're shutting the
government down. But to our callers point, you've got people
that work in the VA hospital wherever they work. They

(45:06):
want to help people. That's why they're in that job.
They're just trying to do that.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Job our soldiers.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yes, on our soldiers, you know, and that you know.
The one thing I'm curious about is I remember in
twenty thirteen when the government I was in the State
House when Obama shut the government down, and he purposefully
found areas of the government there you don't have to
shut every single thing down that you can choose or
you can prioritize. But Obama wanted to make it really,
really painful so that the American people would be particularly

(45:32):
angry at the Republicans. And so that's the part that
I don't know how much like our military, I would
hope that they could stay on the job without that's
national security, without losing pay or even having it interrupted.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
So we have to see, all right, more coming up
your phone calls here in the Rod in Greg Show
in Utah's talk radio. Want oh five nine can or
us the workers who've been furloughed because of the government
shut down now in it's first full week as of today,
what say you about this? Eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound
two fifteen, say hey Rod, or leave us a message

(46:06):
on our talk back line by downloading the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Let's go back to the phone. Let's go to Matt
and Keanash Matt, thank you for holding. Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 18 (46:16):
Greg Greg remember that special Van Delfare. I told you
the the Wednesday show Rod and Greg was the winner?

Speaker 14 (46:25):
Was it?

Speaker 7 (46:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (46:26):
Wednesday?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You know what brother, I do remember this. I remember
that exact comment.

Speaker 18 (46:32):
That was me, Hey, we needed to cut off the
former president's salary. You know that's like four hundred thousand
dollars a year or something like that.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I like that if the government.

Speaker 18 (46:42):
Shut down, they got to stop Paan Obama and everybody else.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, you know, I think they get a little bit
of a pension or something, don't they Well.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I think they get a full pension or a full pay.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I don't know. I like, I like where he's going with.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I mean, Jason Chafitz once said, you know, like, look
at Obama. He he's getting his money. But he got
twenty million dollars for his first book. Yeah, he was
million dollars I see on the public doll Why is
he still getting now? Joe Biden, Poor Joe. The stories
are he can't raise any money for his library. No,

(47:15):
nobody wants to buy is interested in a book.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
He's refinanced that while he was president. It showed that
he had refinanced his primary residence twenty four times. Yeah,
which is a bit odd. Yeah, so yeah, he might
need it.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
And do you have you seen any pictures of that
monstrosity that Obama is building in Chicago for his presidential life.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
It looks like an evil empire. That thing looks said,
that looks like straight out of a star trek, like
the Borg or something. It looks like a like the
bad guys in a in a science fiction movie.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
But build that. That is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, I don't know what he's uh. Yeah, that's uh.
I don't think it's going to age well at all.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah. Yeah, if you haven't seen it, folks look it
up on So I take a look at this. This.
I don't know what you would call it.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
You could put like that Darth Vader's music behind it
and done. And I mean, honestly, it's it looks like
it's bad. It's not. It's not welcoming.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Does that have windows? I don't even know. I couldn't
find windows.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
You couldn't tell.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
No, it's just it's black.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's just weird.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
It's like a block, all.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Right, you know. I don'tn't. I don't think like you said, Greg,
I don't think the president is going to move forward
on this idea. But I think he is just trying
to get Congress to come to their senses. The Democrats
come to their senses. I think one more indicated today
he may jump ship. I think it was Angus King
indicate who's an independent.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
But yeah, it's going to do what vote.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Vote along with the Republicans. So one more has come across.
Now there is word and we you know, apparently behind
closed doors. Word is that they are negotiating trying to
figure out something to do with these healthcare subsidies. Democrat
republic Plicans don't do it. Stand your ground and say no,

(49:04):
we are done with this, this unrealistic spending that you
want us to bank.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
And I think the first step for that is going
to be that they have to resume open the government
and then have those negotiations. They can, they can, they
can open up and then they can talk again. But
while the government shut down, I don't think they're gonna
they're gonna budge for those times.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Well.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
I think it was Chris Cooney's from Connecticut said over
the weekend someone asked him if you had a promise
that we would address these subsidies, but allow the government
to open with a promise that you would, he said,
I think there's some wiggle run.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Well, it depends on what the promise me because I'm
telling you that it's all health care costs are eighty
percent more than when Obama Care passed. Everything costs more.
There's nothing and if breaking the bank even more to
try and keep it alive is how we keep the
government open. That's a that's a road to nowhere or worse.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, all right, coming up on our number three of
the Roddy greg Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine and can arst. They did it hard
to believe, but apparently in an editorial the Washington Post
even admitted that Obamacare is not working.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yes, finally, Wow, Yeah, we knew this, but yeah they
found out, told.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
You that day one it wasn't gonna make it work.
All right, more coming up third hours on this one
interesting point. You know who Caitlyn Collins is, right, Yes,
likes to agitate. Well, she apparently was doing a podcast
today and she revealed why Stafford's dread traveling with Donald Trump.

(50:40):
You know why why he doesn't sleep.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
She says, he's up all hours. He'll wake up staff
members when they're trying to get some sleep to talk
to him. He'll wake up reporters because he was She said,
the man does not sleep, and so that's why people
don't like to travel an air force money.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
That's well, that's a superpower. Do you know how much
I would love not having to sleep? I would love
that you might extra hour, would.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Not sleep? I love if you're tired.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
What if you're just you're like him, You don't feel tired.
That man doesn't get tired. It's not like he's walking around.
That's true, you know, needing sleep. He doesn't need sleep.
That is a superpower. Yeah, I wish I had.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I love that you. Preston Russell M. Nelson of the
Church of Christ, the Letter daye Saints would later the
rest today. He said he never eat breakfast all his life.
That's what I've been told. Wow, he just conditioned his body,
he said, conditioned the body. You don't eat breakfast.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I love breakfast, that's my I like breakfast food. That's
my favorite menu item. But I don't eat most mornings.
I don't eat breakfast. I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
You don't, Oh, I have to most mornings, I don't.
I'm okay with not eating in the evening, which is
fine with me, but I've got to have something to
give me going I'm.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
For some reason, I don't wake and I woke up
hungry this morning, but usually I don't wake up hungry.
And if I'm not hungry, out don't want to eat.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Well that makes sense? Yeah, yeah, varon hungry don't eat?
All right, let's continue our talk about the government shutdown.
Of course, we're into the first full week of it
so far, no signs of things letting up. But are
there changes that should be made that would protect us
from these government shutdowns? Joining us on our Newsmaker line
right now is Nan Swift. She is a resident fellow

(52:21):
at the our Institute. Nan, thanks for joining us tonight.
What about these government shutdowns and what kind of changes
budget restructuring should we take a look at, Nan?

Speaker 12 (52:30):
Yeah, I know for for a lot of us, really,
oh another shutdown? What's near every year?

Speaker 7 (52:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Big deal? Right?

Speaker 12 (52:41):
Well, it actually is a big deal when you think
about it. While a lot of people might not be
stealing the direct results right now, we're like the only
government of a developed country I think that has government
shutdown and we can't pass a budget. So we're kind

(53:03):
of an anomaly around the world when you look at
other countries that are similar to us.

Speaker 19 (53:12):
But also I think, you know, people who haven't noticed
that the government is shut down are people who should
consider themselves lucky. I worry about what happens if there's
an emergency, like a natural disaster. It's still hurricane season
or wildfire. It's really dry in a lot of areas,

(53:34):
and we don't have the people and the resources in
place to respond. You know, it's really not normal for
a government to just not operate, and we're lucky that
the consequences haven't been worse so far.

Speaker 13 (53:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Man, here in the state of Utah, we ran into
some Our state legislature ran too some maybe some brinkmans
with the governor of our state in years years past,
and what the legislative branch decided to do is to
change their rules where they would pass a base budget
early in their general session that would really look reflect
what the budget was last year, so that when the
new revenue or the new negotiations for new projects were

(54:16):
to come to a head, if there wasn't an agreement,
they could leave the session and know that government would
not be shut down. A member that I served in
the legislative branch and a former colleague, Mike Kennedy, is
now Congressman Mike Kennedy, and he has a bill similar
to that that he's presented to Congress. Could a concept
like that ever gain traction with Democrats and Republicans to

(54:37):
be a non partisan bill just to keep this brinkmanship
from stopping, interrupting lives and doing all the things you described.
Is there any chance a bill like that could pass
where you could have a base budget going forward. I
think this is what you're really talking about. It seems
common sense. It seems like something that should earn support
from both sides of the aisle.

Speaker 12 (54:58):
That is a great idea. I've seen a couple different suggestions,
but I haven't seen that exact one, and I think
that it's really really smart, and the other similar suggestions
like the prevent government shutdown to act, which would kind

(55:20):
of keep things in place, we'd keep going with a
continuing resolution that over time, there'd be some incentives for
legislators to act, like it would be decreased by a
small percent. And there's other variations on this theme, like
you can't go out of town while you haven't passed

(55:42):
the budget and things like that to keep everyone working.
But I think having a you know, a base budget
in place would be just like a continuing resolution that
would happen automatically, just you know, this is how it's
going to be, and if we want to make changes,
we've got to do our job. But that would provide
a lot of certainty, but also insteatives, especially if the

(56:06):
governing party has changed, to get things done in a
timely fashion. I think that's super smart, Dan.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
What about some of the structural changes you have mentioned.
I mean, how difficult would it even be to try
and get these through and make them part of the
process or are you looking at a real uphill battle here.

Speaker 12 (56:26):
Well, you would think that this would be easy, But
you'd also think that will passing a clean cr like
Republicans have put on the table would be easy too.
But even the smallest things that have bipartisan support are
really difficult when you have just kind of an atmosphere

(56:51):
where no one can give anyone else a win, even
if it would be good for both of us or
just or all entrenched between our various lines that we
can't we can't imagine anything that would be good for everyone.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
So here's a concept I saw in August. It seemed
the vim and vigor, the motivation to get something done
so they could enjoy their August recess seemed to be otherworldly. Okay,
I don't know why there's three to four weeks of
vacation time that motivates Congress as much as it did,
but it did. So my question is, if you can't
agree on a base budget, if you can't agree on

(57:32):
something like that and not shut the government down, is
there something that says, like you mentioned, you'll stay in
town until you get it done, you're non essential. Basically
if you fail to keep the government open so you
don't get paid something that would. I was surprised at
how many people really wanted that August at recess and
did a lot more work because they wanted to get
to it. It seems like those kind of carrots should

(57:53):
be available for Congress at least and even rule to
put in place to get something done.

Speaker 12 (58:00):
You would, again, you these are all common sense ideas,
I think to most people. But something happens in the
air when you get to Washington. It must be where
where these things aren't top of mine anymore. But there's
been a lot of suggestions like that in the past.

(58:21):
There's bills like the no Budget, No Pay Act, there's
no budget, no recess, no budget, no campaigning, no budget,
no bunch you know you name it, no you know
you're going to be grounded for the weekend, and no
phones or screens.

Speaker 15 (58:43):
All of those are.

Speaker 12 (58:44):
On the table, but no one's been able to get
uh you know, enough support behind any one of them.
And now, sure, there's some serious questions about say, no budget,
no pay because technically, in the Constitution, Congress, you know one,

(59:05):
Congress can't change its own pay to try to keep
people from giving themselves a pay raise. Any changes have
to apply to the next Congress. So sure, although you know,
I would say, put it in an scrow account or
something like that for a little while until you get
your job done and then you get your back pay.

Speaker 19 (59:23):
But also, I mean, Congress went so far in.

Speaker 12 (59:27):
The past couple of years as to bring back ear marks,
which are basically bribes for Congress to do its job,
saying you know what if you I was told over
and over by people who support the wasteful spending of
ear marks that nan, this is the skin in the
game that members of Congress need to be part of

(59:50):
the process, or this is what brings people back to
the table. This is the grease.

Speaker 19 (59:56):
This grease is the skids.

Speaker 12 (59:58):
But the outcomes have been no better and they weren't before.
So at the end of the day, you need political
will and you need to elect better people willing to
do this. And if you don't have enough of them, well,
you know, how do you move an immovable rock?

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I don't know how do you move an immovable rock?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Thank you? Nan Swift? Okay, excited? Nan Is she's that's
not Taylor Swift. You sell the name Swift and you
thought Nan No, no related Taylor Nan Swift.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
She's with arch Street Institute. She made thing, but I
don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
You asked she doesn't you know? Before we get to
we booked this, you asked her if she was related
so you can get an autographed That was awkward, Yeah,
very awkward.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
All right, more coming up. They're Rod and Greg Show
on Talk Radio one oh five nine kN R S
one real quick note. I want to bring up Greg.
You know where the media is going to be blaming
the Republicans. They always do, they have ever since when
I don't know, yeah, we had shutdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I guess everything's always the Republicans.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Well, there is a poll out tonight and this is
done by Harvard Harris and it found that a majority
of registered voters believe Republicans will win the shutdown fight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Good. I hope, I do. I hope, I hope. I
feel that even when I saw the polls that we
played last week, I think it was a Harry Enton's
poll that said that the Americans were blaming the Republicans.
And that's always on script, on brand. But I have
sent something different, at least in the Republican's ability to
out the Democrats and what they want to open up

(01:01:35):
the government again. And it's stuff that doesn't really serve
the American people. It's not for and on behalf of
the American people. It's for And I don't care what
they say it's medicaid for illegal immigrants. I can show
you the receipts, the websites on the state state's medicaid.
I mean, it's in their bill, it's in print. They
keep denying it. It's one hundred percent true. And I
think even now they're doing a better job of showing

(01:01:55):
that they want that work requirement that was restored in
the Big Beautiful bill to receive a medicaid that used
to being up till Clinton and they took it out
during COVID. They want that back out again, and that's
something that should be non negotiable for the Republicans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
You know what, I love, Greg, And I think it's
because of Donald Trump. But remember last week the answer
from the Democrats was that the Republicans are lined about medices,
you know, healthcare for illegal They're lying there, lining And
I love the fact that here's Thune and here's Mike
Johnson coming out together with actual showing posters, with the

(01:02:29):
actual language in the bill. Yes, that they are not lying,
that this is what the Democrats want to put in
the bill. And I love that because yours Greg. In
previous years, Democrats would have curl curled the Republicans. We're sorry, Republico,
We're sorry. Now they're standing up and fighting it is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
And I do believe you're right, and I do think
that that that courage is contagious. It starts with President Trump,
and I think it has finally landed in Congress, where
you know, and I think I think Mike Johnson, Speaker
Johnson has a tough job in that House with a
what three or four member majority only it's the thinnest
in history. But they seem more united than years where
they had more of a majority, but they couldn't get

(01:03:07):
on the same page. I think that. I think that's
also the leadership of President Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
They've stayed together. They have which we all adver say
Democrats under Pelosi, No, it didn't dare get out of them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
No, they they walked. They they knew how to do things.
They knew the game of addition, and we we as Republicans,
have not, but we have as of late. And I
think it's because give this president his chance to do
the things he's promised to do, and so Congress doesn't
want to get on the wrong side. And I think
they feel he's got that mandate. So I think it's
going good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
His biggest issue, of course, was the border, and this
is the amazing story. Unlawful crossings along the US Mexico
border in fiscal year twenty twenty five have dropped to
their lowest annual level since the early nineteen seventies. Is
amazing year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
That is amazing, and it's and it didn't take a
new law like the Democrats that it was going to take.
It didn't take you know, all these different things. They
tried to game up in their Senate build that they
were trying to push and hustle on us, and we
had Republicans that were buying into it. Turns out you
didn't need any of that. You just need to follow
the law.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
And by the way, I've heard someone say, why don't
you know now that we see that the border was
manageable and how bad it was, that's treason or we
should they should try Biden for it. Well, the Congress
did impeach my orcus for all of this was done,
and the Senate majority run by the Democrats. It's the
first time in American history they did not try the
impeachment articles that were delivered to them from the House

(01:04:28):
to the Senate. They said no. The only other time
the Senate hadn't done is the person that was being
impeached died, so they didn't do it. But this time
they broke all precedent, would not hold that hearing. And
you can see it now by the numbers, My orcis
deserve to be impeached and removed in the Senate, convicted
in the Senate. But they never even.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Had anything with it. The US Border Patrol recorded nearly
two hundred and thirty eight thousand apprehensions this year. Okay,
that's the lowest since nineteen seventy when they reported roughly
two hundred and two thousand. My guest is Greg over
the next years, you'll see that number drop, drop and
drop even more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yep, I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
As we get the wall built, as we get the
technology that the border patrol needs, guess what that numbers
aren't going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
And then and then the American people, I'm going to
tell you the workforce, we need to start looking at
those visas and seeing if we need as many, because
I think that it's one thing that unskilled labor coming
from one side for jobs that supposedly Americans won't do,
which I reject. But now you're going to tell me
their skilled jobs that you've got to go and get
your workforce from Indian everywhere, because you don't have the
qualified workforce here in America. So then what job is
our workforce supposed to do? It's it's we're getting getting

(01:05:36):
squeezed out. So that has to be stared at as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
All right, coming up the Washington Post, believe it or not,
has it comment about Obamacare. We'll tell you what it
is and talk to someone about that coming up next.
Here on the Rod and Greg Show, they call them shackets.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
The shirt and a jacket combined a shacket. Yeah, it's
that time. It's it's that kind of weather.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Very fetching.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Thank you, thanks for notice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I thought you'd like that. All right, I want to
read you something, Greg. This was in a major national newspaper.
Are you ready for this? Yep? The real problem is
that the Affordable Care Act was never actually affordable. The
architects of the Act actually assumed that risk pools would
be bigger then they turned out to be. As a result,

(01:06:20):
policy costs more than expected. Okay, pretty harsh about Obamacare. Yes,
came from the Washington Post.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Is that an editorial in the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Washington peditorial in the Washington the editorial board.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
The board itself said.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
That the board itself wrote that editorial.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
They must be so uncomfortable in their own skin. I
can't even believe they would make such an admission' that's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
But it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Well yeah, but that's why they shouldn't be comfortable with skin.
That's not what they typically do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Well, let's dig into what they actually said. Joining us
on our newsmaker line right now is Joseph Vasquez. He
is an associate editor of the Media Research Center Business. Joseph,
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Good to be here, Thanks for having me. And I'm
gonna have the word shack it on my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Joseph. He sounds like you're very fashioned forward. I like that.

Speaker 7 (01:07:12):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Let me let me encourage you.

Speaker 10 (01:07:14):
Don't buy one the rage, but I'm inspired.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
That's all right, look them up. They're worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
There you go, Joseph. All right, did the Washington Post
actually write this when it comes to Obamacare that it
really is just it was never actually affordable.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
It's hard to believe. Yes, And I had to rub
my eyes a few times before I actually saw that
this came from the editorial board itself. And sure enough,
that's exactly what happened. You know, now that there's all
this talk about the Obamacare subsidies and Democrats wanting to
spend one point two trillion above what is already being spent.
I mean, they just let that slip in there. That
wasn't even the main focus of the story. They buried

(01:07:52):
that part of the of the of the story there
of their editorial in a paragraph, and I was just
reading the story like another the Washington Post edutoribal board
was playing both sides of the shutdown game, and lo
and behold, I came across this admission bout Obamacare, and
I could not believe my eyes. Because the Washington Post
was one of the very outlets, along with a slew
of others, that was selling Obamacare as like the solution

(01:08:16):
God gift, Yes, American healthcare system fifteen years ago, and
now they're like, well, now that's entrenched in the system,
and now it's probably impossible to.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
Get rid of it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:25):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
It's like, oh, yeah, by the way, that stuff we
were telling you.

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
All that those years ago, yeah, that was a load
of bunk.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
I mean, are you serious.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
It's unbelievable, you know, and it is, So what does
I guess the strategy for them is now that they
can admit it doesn't work, Now you got to pay more.
You know, that's what government does. If something doesn't work,
you has to have to subsidize it more. So is
it are they admitting also that these COVID you know,
they people weren't working, so they wanted to, you know,
we had to pay more or you didn't have to
work whatever they had to do to insert more money

(01:08:53):
into Obamacare during the COVID years, this pandemic, they're now
saying that's a baseline with no pandemic in sight, that
they this ACA doesn't survive without it. Is that? Is
that what they're arguing the Democrats.

Speaker 7 (01:09:04):
Well, that's essentially what they're That's essentially.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
What they're admitting. Man, I'm going to give you another
Captain Obvious moment. I mean, they in critiquing Obamacare even more.
This is what they said, and I almost fell out
of my chair laughing. This is what they said, quote,
this is how entitlement programs work, the preference Obamacare. Once
you habituate people to some generous government handout, they grow
dependent on it, and it becomes politically perilous, if not

(01:09:28):
impossible to fully qua fact.

Speaker 7 (01:09:31):
Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Fifteen years Yes, I can't believe they said it, though,
I mean they must have been. Were they on gunpoint?
Was who got them to be so truthful? I honestly,
it says shocking that they even described entitlements that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, and Joseph, didn't they just give away? Didn't they
just give away the entire democratic playbook when it comes
to entitlement programs. Make them so big that people love them,
and then when you try cut them back even though
they aren't working, people get angry and call you're racist.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
This is the only way that the Democrats can save it,
avice putting more money into it.

Speaker 11 (01:10:09):
Oh, you're admitting it's a failure, and.

Speaker 7 (01:10:11):
Now we need to put more tax dollars into it.

Speaker 11 (01:10:13):
But sure that's gonna work. You just admitted the whole
lass sucks. And the only thing it's a key that
that machine well oiled. I mean, come on, that thing
is a trash heap. It should have been delegated to the.

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Ashminifitry a long time ago.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
But we're dealing with it now because a lot of
these policies. What is that when Nancy Pelosi said, you
got to pass the build of final what's in it?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
I mean yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
So now we find now the Washington Post editorial board
apparently found out fifteen years later that that bill was
a big mess. And now guess what, they don't have
to worry about it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:42):
The rest of us plebeians living on planet.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
Earth have to deal with the disaster of Obamacare, they
can get bank as far as I'm concerned, and they
were a part of that problem.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, you're a very nuanced man. I don't know where
you're coming from. You very a lot of layers to you.
I can't figure out where you're at. Cards close to
the chest if I don't know what you're trying to say. Here.
Now I'm with you. I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Let me ask you this, is it true that I
didn't know it was this extreme eighty percent increase in
our healthcare premium since Obamacare became law for every American?

(01:11:16):
Is that tracking? I mean, because I think I've never
seen anything go anywhere but up in terms of health
care costs. But is it really eighty percent more since
ACA passed something around that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
I know the Paragram Health Institute. One of our friends,
Phil kirpan And was actually part of his study. He
said that the peraly cost of Medicaid expansion from the
Obamacare changes is nearly sixty percent greater than what experts
had projected originally. I mean, we saw that coming from
a mile away. What was going to happen once you
give this one size fits all standard to Obamacare? You're

(01:11:48):
going to destroy the health insurance market. And you know what,
this one toicked me off personally because it kind of
hit closer to home. And around twenty fourteen, when the
revisions were first rolling out, my mother was going through
breast cancer and uh, she was originally on a private
on private insurance, but then what happened was that once
we once that insurance inspired and she went on Obamacare.

(01:12:09):
She was getting treatment at the Cancer Institute of America
and Pennsylvania. As soon as the insurance changed to Obamacare,
her doctor they've kicked her off her her care and
she went months without the necessary provement for the cancer
that she was battling. She was in remission for months
before she was finally able to find another provider that
would be able to give her the medication that she needed.

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
So that personally kicked me off when I read that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
I'm like, that hit me close to home because we
didn't know if she was even going to survive that
and she had to go months precisely because she lost
her insurance and was forced under these Obamacare subsidies.

Speaker 7 (01:12:42):
So that's what we're dealing with that, you know, So
the fact that that now rereck conning the whole Obamacare
you know drama from yet from years ago. I mean
it's it's like a slap in the face, like and
so oh yeah, you know by the way, we actually
we do actually like straight to your faith.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
We'll just come clean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Hey, Joseph, if we have one more request the next
have you we have you on the show. We'd like
you to be a little bit more excitable. Yeah, we
very you're very docile. I don't know where you come from.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
Yah, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
It's the Puerto Rican energy and me I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
I said, Man, that shacket when you come back on
on the program, because I'm sure you've got more stuff
coming we want to cover. Tell me about that shacket
you picked out.

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
Oh, I'm already looking on Amazon right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Brother, all right, you have a great jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Shacket.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
All that's Josephasquez. He is with UH the he's the
associate editor of the Media Research Business Center. And I
tell you what you know, just a year ago, twenty
twenty four, just a year ago, Yeah, the post was
praisy know Obamacare as one of the most brilliant pieces
of legislation. Ever a year later, they're going it's a
piece of crap.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Yeah, and as he said, they buried it in the
bigger story that was supposed to shame Republicans, but they
had to put that admission out there.

Speaker 12 (01:13:57):
It's just.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Rebendard nose in it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Almost all right. More coming up on the Rotten Gregg shows.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
It's a shirt and a jacket. Oh, okay, a shacket? Yes,
where did you find It's three? Queen Bee found it
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
So if I make fun of you, I'm making fun
of Queen Bee.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Well, you haven't made fun of it. You've actually complimented
me on it, and you won't want I know you
did it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I did the other day. I did. I don't know why,
but I did. Follow up on that unbelievable story about
the FBI spine on US senators discussed part of this
Arctic frost operation that Jack Smith led. Well, guess what
has happened? What the FBI agents who were involved in
this process are no longer FBI agents.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
And I heard that we found this out through whistleblowers.
This was adequately hidden from anyone, even the new administration
or those in charge of finding out. And it was
whistleblowers who came forward and said some bad things have
happened here and we need to get this right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah, and so thanks to them, Well, apparently that unit
that was set up to spy on us senators is
gone gone, cash Ptel said, no more. Okay, journalist, Nick,
is it sorterer?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Next order, Nick, order?

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Had you got roffed up in? Was it in Portland?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Yeah? In Portland outside the ice facility there where all
the the demonstrations and violence has been taking place. He
was charged by Portland police, not by Ice. Remember. Portland
police charged him because he was he was speaking out
against him and they arrested him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Yeah remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, yeah, by Portland police, not by passion guards, because
they didn't like what he was doing in support. Well,
the charges against have been dropped, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Because they weren't really charge. He's the one that got
ruffed up in, manhandled, and then there he gets arrested
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
And there weren't I'm sure those charges would have been
hard to pursue anything further.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
So I got up this morning play early pickleball. It
was cold, it's like forty five this morning, playing ambitious.
I am it's it's it's a drug, must be its addictive.
It's a drug. But that moon was huge, Oh beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Even yesterday after yesterday's show, coming over the last Oh
it was huge.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Well apparently apparently tonight the first super moon of the
year will appear tonight. I don't know how much more
super it can get this big morning, but yeah, it's
the first of three this year. Happens when a full
moon is closer to the Earth than its orbit. That
makes the moon look up to fourteen percent bigger and
thirty percent brighter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
When I was a kid in Amish country, I met
some Amish people. They told me that that is so
that they can keep doing. They can do their farm
or finish up for the season, and they can work
at night. Keep it light out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Could I mow my lawn?

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah, it's so bright you get cast a shadow. It does, really, no,
it does.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I looked out the window getting ready and to me,
because it was cast in the shadow, I thought we
had snow on the ground. Yeah, is that something that's
kind of weird?

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
YEA told me that the whole thing is so they
can finish up their their their harvest, and that's why
it's they can work at night so it makes sense
to me. That's pretty bright out there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Yeah, it is, so the the big superman of the
year tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
That'll be I'm telling you, there'll be some good photographs
that will emerge on social media when the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Moon comes over this these mountains. It is is gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
It is gorgeous, all right. That does look for us tonight,
head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your
family and that's great country of ours. Enjoy your Tuesday.
We'll be back with Wingman Wednesday. It all starts at four.
We'll talk to you there

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