The Rod and Greg Show: Senator Mike Lee; Latest Jobs Report

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm Tanya, folks, their cars don't even have people.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
I was going to say, but you were talking about
the number of driverless cars in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
There are they are they are legion Really wow, what's
it called? What do you know the name of wavo?
I mean when you see a car and you see
that steering wheell moving around and it's and it looks
like those Google you know how Google Earth had to
have the cars that drive around it with the thing
on this kind of spins on the top of the
hood and kind of takes a picture of the whole

(00:28):
thing it's got. It looks like that, but it's it's driving.
It's like an uber bit with so people used it
to get around. It's not like they're testing them. They're
they're transporting people. People are put their faith in their
trust in these self driving vehicles so well, which seems
on brand for San Francisco. I don't know how that's
going to go with the rest of us, at least
us old heads. But man, I'll tell you it was

(00:50):
weird seeing it. It was a science fiction deal. Yeah, weird.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Well, we've got a great show lined up for you today,
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comment on our talk back line as well. A lot
to talk about today. Job numbers out today, Gary Giggy

(01:16):
will will join us under Mike Lee will join us.
A little bit later on, we'll talk Americans who are
fleeing America. Why on earth are they doing that? We'll
find out, and of course later on we'll also talk
about the electrics in the Electorates inflation report card. What
Americas will Americans will be looking at as far as

(01:37):
the economy is concerned when they head to the polls
next November. So, but we want I want to start
off first of all, before we talk about the new
Palace intrigue in Washington. You know what we're talking about.
We need to wish someone a happy birthday today. Oh
who the Bill of Rights?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Two hundred and thirty four years ago today the Bill
of Rights was ratified. And there they are right there.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
They're important. There's more after that, Yeah, they're pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, it's a keeper. That's a keeper.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Happy birthday.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Bill Rights.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yea, it was an amendment. It was kind of a dndum, like,
let's clarify a little more.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yep, shall we Bill Rights two hundred and thirty four
years ago today it was ratified? Where would we be
without the Bill of Rights? All right? I keep on
asking myself, Greg and you and I were talking about
this with Eray on the on the Morning call this morning.
Why on earth do conservatives sit down or allow interviews
with regime media, even though they know they're probably going

(02:37):
to be taken out a context or get burned. Why
on earthed do they do this?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
When are they going to learn their lesson?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, it's a it's a Honestly, nobody wants to be
misunderstood or misrepresented. So there is this desire that if
they just understood, if I just had the chance to explain,
maybe they wouldn't have such a jaundice die. Maybe they
wouldn't have they wouldn't be so negative, Maybe everything, every
bit of information wouldn't be, you know, just digested in
the most negative terms possible. But the only time that

(03:05):
you have that feeling or think that you can work
talk your way through it with the regime media is
when you're brand new. Susie Wiles is far from being
brand new. That administration has been through a lot in
ten years. I don't know who in the world thought
vanity fair, vanity fair, I mean, any of them. You
talk about the more traditional regime medias of New York Times,

(03:26):
Washington Post. You don't want to get near those people.
And Trump has made this mistake in the past and
even recently. But Susie Wiles is such an operator and
she doesn't have a lot to say. She's not looking
for the cameras. She's not looking for She is a
very behind the scenes type of chief of staff. She understands.
My perception has been that she understands the president so well.
And they set for eleven she set for eleven interviews.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, eleven over the course of this year. Yes, she
has sat down with Chris Whipple I think is the
name of the reporter and done on a series of interviews.
But others in the administration went along with this. I
don't I don' don't don't get this.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's a it's an unforced error. She came out very
strong on X saying that her quotes are taken completely
out of context. They were disregarded in terms of what
she meant around them and in the misleading people. And
I bet you know. And she's had a lot of
supporters that have gone on X and on social media
to defend her. I just don't understand. And there's but

(04:22):
there's a lot of people saying, why this is Lucy
with the football and Charlie Brown trying to kick it?
If you thought for one second that that Vanity Fair
was going to give you a fair shake. I mean,
someone showed the picture of Caroline Caroline Lovett and they
just have an up close all you see her eyes
and her nose and her mouth. It's so close. The
picture is just so obscenely close to her face. But

(04:45):
then they said, look when she was they when Vanity
Fair did an interview with the last Biden spokesperson, John
what's her name, yeah, Karrange John Pier, they've got her
hip out, kind of sassy, you know, hands on her hips,
kind of taken on the world, and uh, you know,
it's just it's so it's so blatantly biased and skewed.

(05:05):
I don't even know why you would even get in
the same sandbox with with this crew.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, the only person to care about about what they
think is Donald Trump. And Donald Trump came out today
and said he still supports Susie Wiles. If you aren't aware,
there's an article out today. I think part one. Another
part is coming out tomorrow or maybe next week. But
here in the article she refers to the president as
in he has an alcoholics personality, and he agreed today

(05:32):
he said, yeah, I do well.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And people that are that have big personalities, but when
they drink, it amplifies. She says, he's just amplified. You know,
that's just and he has supreme confidence that he can
accomplish whatever he sets out to do. That that if
you hear all of it, wouldn't surprise.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
She called jd. Vance a he's been a conspiracy theorist
for a decade. She called Elon Musk an odd odd duck.
You know what, I'd go along with that thinking of
it strange too, she called to Russell is a vote
the Budget director, a right winged zealod and Pam Bondy,
she says, completely whifted and handling the Epstein files, which
I would agree with her on that one. So, but

(06:13):
the President standing by her today, you know, the Washington
inside the Beltway, the networks are going to have a
field day with this palace intrigue, as you'd like to
call it. Here's Scott Jennings today on CNN talking about
this article in Vanity Fair about Susie Wiles and the administration.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Well, folks, I think initially saw it and then wanted
to know more. And of course what the White House
is saying is that it's been significantly taken out of context.
All I can tell you about Susie is this revered,
respected has the total confidence and trust of the President.
He's come out this afternoon and backed her on everything.
And so look, I mean, ultimately, there's only one person's

(06:53):
opinion that matters President the United States.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
He loves Susie yesterday, he loves her today, and.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
The world keeps spinning.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
So I think, you know, look, for most people, it's
to be a little bit of palace intrigue. But don't
I don't detect any wobbling in the leadership of in
her position at the White House.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, and I don't think so either, Greg, And I
don't you know, there's not going to be a change,
you know, but I still ask myself, why did you
agree to do that? I remember, and is vanity fair?
Remember Dave Stockman, budget director for Ronald Reagan, allowed did
something like this with I think it was either it
may have been vanity Fair, but Stockton didn't tell anybody.

(07:29):
And then it came out what was he saying about
Reagan and his cabinet? And you know, we had palace
intrigue there. She's very open on this, and there were
other members of the cabinet who were aware of this
what was going on. So but I still don't get
why they do it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Vice President Vance is so funny. He's like, this is
this quote today he was in Pennsylvania and he says,
sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but only believe in
this conspiracies that are true. Okay, For example, I believe
the crazy conspiracy. I believed in the crazy conspiracy back
in twenty twenty that it was stupid to mass three
year olds at the height of the COVID pandemic, that
we should actually let them develop some language skills, go

(08:06):
to school. He said, you know, I believe the crazy
conspiracy theory that the media and the government were covering
up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly unable to
do his job. That was one of the conspiracies he
subscribed to. Turns out it's true. He's taking it lighthearted
as well. And I look, we saw the first term,
and we saw a parade of chiefs of staff, and

(08:28):
you saw people that I personally was aware of, people
that felt like it was their job to rein in
and am using the air coats, rain air quotes to
reign in the president. She understands them, she understands she
defends his agenda. No, you cannot. And so he has
struck upon an incredible, incredibly effective administrator who can really

(08:50):
get water at the end of the row for him
and his administration. And I think that's why I don't
understand the interview. It's just so out of character. It's
it's such an unforced error. Laura Logan, who was a
former journalist, she was on ust to be on sixty minutes,
was not very She just said that you what a mistake,
and a glaring one like one that didn't shouldn't have
snuck up on you.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Kind of baffling, Isn't it all?

Speaker 6 (09:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
When we come back. Job numbers out today. Boy, there
are different angles on this story and we'll explore them
all coming up next right here on the Tuesday afternoon
of the Rod and Gregg Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Okay, anterous thanks for joining us
on your way home on this Tuesday, another beautiful day
on the outside. We may get a change tomorrow. We'll
keep our fingers crossed. We get a little bit more moisture.

(09:33):
But one of the big stories of the day, of course,
we finally get a report on jobs in America. And
there are all kinds of takes on this today. Some
are saying, you know, the economy may be hurting some headwinds.
Others are saying, look at the jobs have been created.
A lot going on out there.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yes, and this is why I love this. Our next guest,
this is this. This is you remember the bow Jackson
old old commercials that Nike did Bow Nos Bow Noose
Gary Nos. Gary, Gary knows so well.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
On our newsmaker line right now is Gary knows Giggy.
He is with Gigge Capital Management. He always joins us
for a look at the job's numbers. Gary, how are
you welcome? To the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (10:15):
I'm really good, Greg, you didn't you went too far there.
Appreciate the cinema now.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Every time, every time we do this, you you just
peel it all back and you just straight talk it.
I love it, Gary, Gary.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
There are so many takes out there today on what
this job report says about the economy. What's your take?

Speaker 7 (10:33):
You know, I think it clearly is showing a job
market that's slowing, and so let's just take that first,
which is that we were expecting about a fifty dollars
fifty thousand increase in jobs created this month. It came
in at sixty four thousand, So that sounds good, but
you know, we always want to take a look at

(10:53):
the revisions, and so when you take a look at
October that was a negative one hundred and five thousand,
we'll get into that in a second. September and August
that reduced another thirty three thousand. So when you take
it all in, that came to a net seventy four
thousand loss in jobs in November. Since we looked at
jobs last in September, So before you know, we get

(11:17):
all excited about that, we want to take a look
at how this happened, and so it's important to recognize
that the downswing was largely due to a drop in
government jobs, not the government shut down, but in government jobs.
So a lot of this stuff that Elon Muskandoze was
doing earlier in the year, government employees had vacation pay

(11:40):
and time built up so that they really didn't come
off the government federal payrolls until September. So you had
a big drop of one hundred and sixty two thousand
federal employees in October, another six thousand in November, and
since January, two hundred and seventy one thousand federal employees
are no longer employed. So feel bad for the ones

(12:03):
that lost their jobs. However, this just begs the question
of why and government had become bloated, and I think
this is just kind of right sizing the federal employment,
with probably more to come as the months go along.
The interesting thing you guys, though, was the unemployment rate,
and this is where a lot of people are talking
about this. Last month it was four point four percent unemployment.

(12:27):
Now it's four point six percent unemployment, so it ticked
up a little bit. However, this is due to a
three hundred and twenty three thousand increase in people looking
for jobs, and so that is a good That is
a good thing, you guys, is that a lot more
people were looking for jobs. Therefore the participation rate increased.

(12:50):
And I think if you, you know, try and connect
dots here, there's less competition from people coming in from
other countries to compete for the job. So a lot
more of Americans were out looking for jobs. That's what
caused the increase and unemployment rate. And that's a good reason.

Speaker 8 (13:07):
That's not a bad.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Reason, you know, Gary, So to your point, and you
actually brought them up, I had them on my question
a sheet here, but of course you already know. But
that drop of two hundred and seventy one thousand federal employees.
So when Biden was in office, we saw these job numbers,
but there were always government jobs. Government jobs were growing.
This is the lowest count of federal employees since twenty fourteen,

(13:28):
so eleven years it's gone back to that level. I
think that's a good thing.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
That would do too.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't know that they were producing anything. I would
argue they were consuming consuming a lot. You also this
I also noticed during the Biden administration sixty minutes at
a piece on it called the Quiet Quit, and it
was how people were just leaving the job market. They
weren't looking anymore, they were staying on the sidelines. And
I used to think, well, good, how did are jobs optional? Like,

(13:53):
I didn't understand the Quiet Quit. But to your point,
there are more people coming in and being drawn into
the job market now actively looking for jobs than we've
seen before, and the Trump administration, at least the White
House is arguing that's a pretty good sign that you're
seeing people in. They've also pointed to fifty two thousand
new construction jobs that were added over the last three months.

(14:14):
I guess my question, Gary would be those construction jobs,
are you tracking that same stat? Are you seeing that
as well? And does that point two good times? Because
I think a lot of the discussion is the midterms
and next year in twenty six we want to see
an economy that's rebound, rebounding, or else it'll be an
ugly midterm election.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
I'm super, super bullish about next year, Greg, I really am,
and I'll tell you why. And so these construction jobs,
I think a lot of that could go into various
manufacturing facilities. That are being built around the country, and
so there's there's the construction that's going into these sites,
which I think probably contributes to that. But when I

(14:56):
take a look at the I guess the outlook for
next year, or you have a FED that is being accommodative.
They're not raising interest rates in no way, and the
next chairman of the FED is going to be very
inclined to lower interest rates. And if you take a
look at the backdrop to this job's report, which is
a softening jobs market, this adds to the argument that

(15:20):
the FED should be lowering interest rates. And surprisingly, you guys,
chairman of Palell said that there could be an overstatement
of jobs created since the beginning of year of around
sixty thousand per month. I'm surprised he said that, but
it's true. And the reason is that if there is
an overstatement of jobs created due to the birth death

(15:44):
rate of jobs that are being created, that's normal. There's
nothing conspiratorial in that. But if more jobs have been created,
I mean, excuse me, If not as many jobs have
been created, then we have a jobs market is weakening tremendously,
and maybe that's the reason why the President is consistently

(16:05):
saying lower the interest rates. And because if you have
a slowing labor market, you need to lower the interest rate.
That will juice the economy, get things going.

Speaker 9 (16:16):
We need that.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah. Well, Gary, we appreciate your insight into all of
this and we'll take it from there. We'll see what
happens next month. Could be interesting. Thank you, Gary, and
happy holidays to.

Speaker 7 (16:25):
You you too.

Speaker 8 (16:26):
Thanks, have a good day.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
All Right, Gary Gigy from Gigee Capital Management analyzing the
jobless numbers that were released today. All right, more coming up.
It is the Tuesday edition. They're Roden greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, anlus variations on
what the job numbers look like. What's your take on everything?

Speaker 10 (16:44):
Look, A lot of this stuff happens, and there's a
lot of talk that goes on about where jobs are
coming from. We always have to keep the first and
foremost focused on the fact that governments can't create jobs.
Governments to claim that they are doing so, aren't. Something
else is happening. And there are a lot of reasons

(17:04):
for these fluctuations. But I think a lot of it
this has to do with the labor market and how
it's been impacted by the open borders policies of the
last four years.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Where do we go with this? I mean, I want
to to talk to you, Mike. One question I did have.
Are we headed toward another government shut down here at
the end of January? Where do things stand in your opinion?

Speaker 10 (17:24):
Well, I don't expect another government shutdown, but I also
think it's important to be honest with the American people.
That could still happen. But it doesn't mean that Congress
is functioning the way that it should if we don't
have one. Now, I do have serious reservations about this

(17:47):
so called minibus spending package. So we're calling it a
megabus because it relies too heavily on earbark spending, which
I oppose as a matter of principle, in which Senate
Republican Conference Policy officially condemns. Ear marks were banned because
they encourage wasteful spending and backroom deal making, and that

(18:11):
concerns reinforced when taxpayers see money being directed to things
like the upkeep, maintenance, and renovation of an elephant shaped
building in New Jersey that serves as a highway attraction. Now,
why that is an appropriate topic for federal funding I
will never understand. But you know, even with those concerns,
I suspect there's a good chance this minibus will pass

(18:34):
because this is the DC swamps standard modus operandi of
bundling all these unrelated funding proposals together, loading them up
with pork earmarks, and then presenting them is it take
it or leave a choice at the last possible moment,
right before Christmas. This is on brand, and it's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
What do we do about the Obamacare subsidies?

Speaker 10 (18:56):
Okay, the Biden era big health insurance company subsidy adopted
during the COVID era past with exclusively Democrat votes and
set to expire exclusively by Democrat votes. They're a thing,

(19:16):
and they should be allowed to expire as they're currently
scheduled to expire. We can't afford them. They aren't the
cause of Americans health care getting more expensive. A very
very tiny universe of people relative to the whole healthcare
market are even affected by those expiring subsidies. Now, they

(19:37):
do make a huge difference to huge health insurance companies.
So if you're one of those, and you're living I
on the hog because of Obamacare, and you're a big
healthcare executive. Yeah, you probably will walk those left in place.
But the overriding problem with their health care industry has
nothing to do with those. It has to do with
Obamacare's regulatory regime that it's set a place that has

(20:00):
deliberately made healthcare unaffordable.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Sender Lee, I want to talk to you about what
happened over the weekend. We had that shooting at Brown University,
the tragedy there in Australia, the FBI coming up with
an investigation, and the potential bombings taking place on New
Year's Eve in Los Angeles, and it raised a lot
of questions about dealing with radical Islamism in this country today.
What are your thoughts? I mean, you can't force people

(20:25):
to assimilate, you can't force them their allegiance to a country.
How do we try and get on top of this
if we can?

Speaker 10 (20:33):
But a lot of Americans had hoped that maybe we
had turned the page the exposure weight face as a
result of radical Islamic extremism in the United States. But
some recent events suggest that this this approached, this dangerous ideology,
really a radical political ideology, as much as anything, hasn't disappeared,

(20:55):
and it remains a real concern. And then we've seen
some examples abroad, including one that you mentioned in Australia,
that absolute tragic event where leaders have failed adequately to
protect their Jewish communities, and that kind of failure sends
a dangerous signal about tolerance for extremism and for violent

(21:19):
extremism in particular. At the same time, that Biden administration
allowed this four year period of unrestrained immigration to go
off to remain unaddressed for far too long, creating huge
vulnerabilities in our own national security system. Now what other
country rod what other country does not know who's entering
its borders or why those entering their borders illegally are coming.

(21:44):
Whenever that happens, it creates conditions in which radical ideologies
can take root and spread. They're over a billion Muslims worldwide,
and I believe most of them are very good, decent people.
But we have to acknowledge that in forcing the law
is necessary to, among other things, prevent violent extremists, regardless

(22:08):
of the source of their motivation, to keep those people
out of the United States, that we don't victimize.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Americans, Can we do a better job at vetting them?
I mean do you get a sense that under the
new administration and the Louse leadership when it comes to
immigration issues, are we doing a better job at vetting
these people as they try and get into the country.
But because obviously that's an issue that we have right now.

Speaker 10 (22:34):
Undoubtedly, yes, they're just undoubtedly, but with absolute certainty, we're
doing a better job of vetting them, in part because
vetting is taking place now It literally wasn't during the
Biden administration, and particularly as they were taking large volumes
I mean hundreds of thousands of people, for instance, from Afghanistan.

(22:55):
When we take them from certain parts of the world,
including and especially Afghanistan, we know that that is a
country where there have not been stable governments, There have
not been sort of the right ingredients, the infrastructure that
goes into accurate, verifiable record keeping. A lot of those
records have been destroyed in the course of wars. They

(23:17):
don't have the same record keeping standards that we have
in a lot of other countries around the world. When
you take that money, especially from a country like that,
you got to be very concerned. And when you take
so many of them in such a short period of time,
as the Biden administration did that by itself creates a
huge problem and a huge vulnerability to this day for
the American people.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Utah Center, Mike Lee joining us on our news make
a line. A lot going on out there, Greg and
Mike Leed's on top of it.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
He really is. I missed that. I missed that on interview, but.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well you're coming back from crazy town.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
I miss too.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
He's like, tamming it your escape against me.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
All right, we've got more to come right here on
the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio five
NYE okayn rs. I've always thought this, Greg and I
don't have anything to base it on, but I've always
felt going into an election, be it a midterm election
or run for the White House, that the price of
gasoline has a lot to do with how people feel.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Well, yes, I agree?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Would you agree with this? And that's why I think,
you know, we're looking at prices. Now, what are there
I think I saw today thirty one states or thirty
three states, maybe thirty six states or underty Yeah, thirty
dollars a gallon? Yeah, yes, that number is growing. Why
Utah finally got under the three dollars threshold while Colorado's
under the two dollars threshold, so you know, everything's relative,

(24:36):
but our you know, the cost of crude oil is
below sixty bucks a barrel, which is fifty five today.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I believe it's amazing. At some point, you got to
be careful. You don't want that to go too low
or else it doesn't make any financial sense to pull
it out of the ground if the barrel's cost is
more valuable than the crude inside of it. Yeah, got
to be careful.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
So I've always heard it was forty dollars. If it
goes before below forty dollars a barrel, the oil companies go,
we aren't making money.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm unclear which what the cost price was, but I
know in Trump's first term he was flirting with the
cost of the of the creud being the same as
the cost of the actual barrel to keep it in
and that was the that that becomes a disincentive. But
that's a great problem to have when you're looking at
fifty six or fifty five dollars a barrel crewed. I
think it's great and American people are enjoying lower gas prices,

(25:22):
even in Utah, even though we're on a lag.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah. Well, the National Republican Congressional Committee. The House GOP
Campaign ARM highlighted on gas Monday on Buddy that on Monday,
showing the average price of gasoline has dropped for three
straight weeks, hitting its lowest level since March of twenty
twenty one.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, and there's no surprise. I mean, I everybody can't saying,
you know, a president doesn't have any anything to do
with the price of gas. This is opek, this is
this is completely out of his control. Well then, how
if it's completely out of his control, why was it
in the two dollars range, you know, in his first
term and it's back into the two dollars range for
much of the country and is second term and it

(26:01):
was five dollars a gallon in Biden's term. I think
there's policy that has something.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
I changed that a little bit. Speaking of fuel, it
wasn't that long ago. Remember when all you would see
on television when it came to car commercials, Greg were EV's. Yeah, Yes,
not that long ago. I remember talking to Craig Bickmore,
who is with the New Car Dealers Association, about that,
and he said, and he said, we can't move him,

(26:28):
No one's interested him. By an EV's that was a
couple three four years ago.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yes, yep. Now you know what, they're an interesting thing
if I they have an appeal, but it's probably fine.
But for the leftist they just want they want to
mandate or they want to try and force everyone into one.
And that's where you the consumers is not going to
play ball and be told what they what they should.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like, don't do. Not tell the American people what to do.
We don't like it. That's why you know we told
England to take a hike. Yeah, we didn't want to
king telling us what to do.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, they're not the boss of us.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah. Yeah. Well I bring this up because Ford Motor,
who really invested heavily in evs and EV trucks, say
they will take you ready for this, a nineteen point
five billion dollar charge on its electric vehicle business. Nineteen
point five billion right down for their EV business. That's

(27:22):
a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
That is a lot of money. It's amazing a company
can still stand after taking a hit a nineteen bill
So that's that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
That is a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know, in the irony of all this is that
all this movement towards electric vehicles. Electricity is scarcer than
fossil fuels.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
The generation of power is becoming because of AI and
everything else, a much much harder, you know, utility.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah, all right, More to come. Hour number two
of the Rod and Greg Show coming up on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. kN Right, stay with us.
A lot of questions being raised Greg about the shooting
at Brown University and law enforcement and the school officials

(28:09):
are coming under increased criticism as to how this thing
is being handled. I mean, you know, we don't know
what the kids said inside, even though there were a
lot of students inside when the shooting went down. No
one is saying what he said or who he was targeting,
if anybody. They originally arrested somebody or called someone in

(28:30):
as a person of interest that didn't work out. They
released video and pictures last night of a new person
of interest in this and you can hardly see the person.
I don't know how you identify. I mean, he's covered
and you can see his eyes, and that's about it.
There's a lot of criticism, a lot of questions being
raised in that Brown shooting, and the public's being very
frustrated and.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'll tell you that I saw it. We saw it
in Utah, and it's actually a different approach. And I've
heard this even from behind the scenes, that law enforcement
in the past is wanted to be pretty tight lipped
about the the evidence that they come up with because
they don't want to become public information, because they want
to tie someone to something that wouldn't be known by
anyone else but the assailant. So they've been pretty tight

(29:14):
lipped in the way they investigate. That's been a tradition.
I guess that's the way it's always been. When we
had the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk, there was a
different approach that was being taken, and it was to
really put things out there for the public to see.
And even though it was now within in the public domain,
it was meant to someone will see somebody, someone will

(29:35):
see someone that who they how they walk, or what
they're doing, and recognize who that is. And it really
wasn't the way traditional investigations by law enforcement had occurred,
and so this was kind of a different way to
do it, to really be public about so much information. Well,
it seemed to bear some good fruit. They were able
to apprehend the suspect and pretty quickly. And so I

(29:57):
think that this is another expectation that we see who
This is the thing that's hard for me to understand,
and and the only there's if the glass half empty,
is they don't want to divulge what was said because
it's political in nature, and the politics that are at
hand are ones that leftists don't want to have to own.
That's the word. That's your worst interpretation, Your best interpretation

(30:18):
of why we don't know some basic information is that
they want they want to keep that quiet because whoever
they ultimately catch, they'll want to know what they know.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
What their political persuasion is as well.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
They'll want to know what they know so that they
can they can compare notes, and so they're keeping it
quiet just so that it's a tool that they have
of evidence that they want to use to help find
and be able to prosecute the person who did this.
So there's a there's a good version of that, but
there's not. But what I do not believe is that
they don't know. I one hundred percent believe they know

(30:51):
what the person said. I one hundred percent. There is
no version of life where it's just a big mystery,
and they they're saying it like that, which bothers me
because it's insulting to say that we just don't know
or we don't have that information anyway. I just think
there's a good reason why they're not saying so, but
there's also a not so good reason why they might
not say.

Speaker 11 (31:11):
Well.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I also think the president there at Brown University needs
a course on media relations and dealing with the public.
She came out today during a news conference they've been
holding a number of them and basically criticized the public
for raising questions about what happened.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, she is out of her league.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm telling you she is out of her league on
this one because you don't criticize the public who is
concerned about what happened. They want to know the information,
and you turn around to say, quit picking on us. Basically,
that's what she said.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
It's about her. That person's on the loose. I mean
that's I mean, we don't any When she didn't when
she could not, she didn't say no comment or I'm
not going to say she said I don't know. When
asked the question, why were those students in that building
in that room on a Saturday. Why She said, I
don't know. And this is six hours after, and so

(31:58):
the reporter dutifully called her and said, you're the president
of university. You're holding the press current you called it,
and you're saying you don't know that that information pretty basic,
it's basic. And she said, no, I don't know. Almost
cavalierly she said that, and I just don't know that
that's true. I think what she should have said, because
I think she knew why they were there. How do

(32:18):
you not know why those students are in that classroom?

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, what the purpose is? Six hours after, you think
you'd ask somebody why were these kids here? You know,
you don't expect a president to know everything that's going
on at their university, But six hours later you think
the question, Hey, give what were they doing here? I
guess it was a study some kind of study group
to help the kids prepare for final exams.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, so there it is. There's there's the big history
is it's not the Da Vinci Code here. You've got
to figure it out and you've got to be able
to be prepared to share with the public information that
you can I don't know is not acceptable then making
it about them and not the public at large. When
this person still losing. Don't be rude. Why are you
being critical? She doesn't know, she's not very self aware,

(32:59):
and she doesn't know. It's not about her, it's not
about her university. It's about the public. There's an assailant
out there. We don't know the motivation, we don't know why,
and people are rightfully worried and scared. And so I
do I think she's She's not. So much leadership is
revealed or exposed as lacking leadership in unscripted moments, and

(33:20):
it's and you don't want these terrible moments to come
upon us, But any unscripted moment for a leader really
shows you if they have the chops for it or not.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, well, you've been to Providence, Rhode Island. I've never
had there. That's the home around the university, small town
probably dominated by the university. There, everything kind of revolves
around its stakes capital and also around the university. You
would think that, you know, I know they're working behind
the scenes trying to figure this all out. But I'm
with you, Greg. I thought during the whole Charlie Kirk

(33:52):
tragedy and the assassination the public knew what was going on.
We're they're very police and investigators, I think, for the
most part, for as much as they could, and they
have to be careful. We're very transparent with the public
letting us know what's going on. You aren't seeing that
at Brown right now. And people have a right to
raise questions and ask questions. And I'll tell you it

(34:13):
bore fruit. You saw, you saw, you saw good things
come from, you saw tips, and you saw that case
and you saw someone arrested for that that crime here
in Utah because people could see things. I believe that
the person saw that what was on TV of the
video and recognized who it was put potentially even their parents, Yeah,
the person's parents and uh, that person, the person that's

(34:36):
accused turned themselves in.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
H And so it's not it's not like say anyway,
I just think that that good more information right now.
There's a lot of people that know a lot of people,
and there's a lot you can do to network that
and get information out. And Brown it's not interested in that.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, And that's said because transparency is it and they're
going to get criticism. What you know, we have how
long have we known now we've got a put cameras
in buildings, especially on college campuses, got to make them secure.
Their cameras either weren't turned on or weren't operating. As
a matter of fact, the system at Brown University apparently
there are sirens that go off in text means that

(35:13):
just didn't work. Didn't it work?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Do you know how large an endowment they have, you
know how rich that university is, and they don't have
they didn't have updated cameras in this building. They didn't have.
They just it's, yeah, there's they aren't showing well. They're not.
They're not They're not going well right now. And I
think that, you know, there's a bit of hindsight anytime
anything like this happens, where you could you can see

(35:37):
where things could have been done better. But honestly, the
way they're treating the public, the way they're treating the
sharing of information. They just barely put out a video
of somewhat a person of interest in the person's walking
and they got a mask on. And you know, some
of the things I'm looking on on the line, they
have other people from that university who's walk the gate.
They have like AI or something that will match their gate.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
The gate of other students for their walk.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, and so there's one that they it could look
like and said the gate matched like ninety seven percent.
But they've ruled that person out. And all I'm saying
is they if they're saying they ruled them out, I don't.
I don't question that part. But what I'm saying is
even the public itself is smartly looking at clues. They're
looking at things, They're trying to identify who this could be.

(36:23):
They're trying to see if they can help see this
person apprehended. It's not a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, well, and you see the person of interest now,
Greg just kind of casually walking through the neighborhoods obviously
I would say an upscale neighborhood. There's some very nice
looking homes that we passed, and you're wondering, was this before?
Was this after? What is going on here? So we'll
have to see what happens.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting to see. I
really do hope that we get the information in the
background as to who the person is and certainly the
motivations behind the killings coming up.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
More criticism being directed toward President Trump from Utah's governors.
We'll talk about that coming up next here on the
Rod and Greg Show. I would say the majority of them,
we're critical of President Trump and his remarks concerning the
death of the murder. We should say of Rob Reiner
and his wife Michelle. We got some kickback a lot
of people. You and I Greg said, you know, I

(37:16):
think he could have handled it better. I know he's
had an ongoing feud with Rob Reiner. Rob Reiner has
never said any anything complimentary of Donald Trump at the time,
and so we kind of understood it, but we I
think we felt the President could have handled it a
little bit better. But now he's really getting some really
some sharp criticism from Utah Governor Spencer Cox and former

(37:41):
Governor Gary Herbert.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, and it's just you know, folks, you know how
I feel about that comment, and we talk about these
things every day. That's kind of our job here on
the radio show. That forum that occurred yesterday at the
University of Utah with former governors the two former governors
love it and then governor again Herbert, and then our
current governor, Governor Cox, really was supposed to be a

(38:03):
symposium or an event about their time of being on
the clock as governors, what they learned by way of
leadership and kind of a talking you know, just battle
stories and and you know, things like that. How in
the world it all became a pylon about President Trump
when they were there with all this institutional memory. My
first session was in two thousand and three and Governor

(38:24):
Lovett was still our governor. It's right before he left
for that cabinet position for George W.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Bush.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So I served with all those, all three of those
in the legislature when the all three were governor. But
I don't know Governor Lovett as well as a lawmaker
as I do Governor Herbert and Governor Cox. And I
just found what a missed out. The uniqueness of having
three governors come together and talk just about their lessons
learned would have been a would have been a great event.

(38:51):
And that's why they sold out. It's why it was
what people wanted to hear. But it just kills me
that that they had to go into this tone discussion.
It's as if these three governors believe that being nice
and polite supersedes all policy, It supersedes all effort being
nice to someone's face or at least publicly, is more

(39:14):
important than the judges you pick Gary, Governor Herbert, and
our current pool of judges right now in Utah is
a nightmare, okay, And it causes when you catch and
release criminals, a lot of harm out there. Worse than
the tone. I would argue. There's a lot of decisions
that governors make that have negative consequences and obviously good consequences.

(39:37):
Talk about those things. But to go in and just
start harping on President Trump. Why is it that people
can sit there and criticize Trump under the banner of
we should be nicer? Are you being nice?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
You weren't even asked to come and gripe about our
Republican governor, but that's what you thought you were here
to do, and and you're doing it, saying we need
a better tone, we need a better tone. I can
tell you from personal experience, I've had private conversations with
Herbert and Governor Cox that were not nice in tone
and polite. They were not polite. They were as contentious

(40:09):
as can be. And I didn't clutch any pearls over it.
And if they're saying that we can be that, we
can be that course we can be that, you know,
confrontational privately, just not publicly. Well, what you get out
of Trump like him or you know, love him or
hate him, is he's probably the same exact guy that
I mean. I just think he doesn't have a on
and off switch. I think he's the same person. You're

(40:30):
gonna hear the same thing. You're gonna hear the same
rant inside that office as you hear when he posts
or when he says something that the press asks him.
You know, if that's a good quality or bad quality,
it's up to you to decide. But I will say
that being passive aggressive to be to put on a
you know, a story here that we just have to
be better, We have to just be higher road. These

(40:51):
guys all get that got showed their teeth, They all
showed their fangs when they were upset, and they knew
when to do it. That I think they're misleading the
public dect like this is such a high importance. Talk
about the things that you did. I'll tell you this.
I was just looking it up when we killed Obamacare
expansion that Governor Herbert was all for back in twenty fifteen,
a decade ago, which, by the way, look at it today.

(41:13):
It's a Ponzi scheme. There's not enough federal money you
can pump into this thing to keep it alive. So
we didn't want to do it in the house. We
had no interest in the Medicaid expansion. Healthy Utah is
what he called it. And when we did not pass
it in the House, he was in the paper after
the session was over accusing us. He said, governor says
logic being overridden by emotion and debate over Healthy Utah.

(41:37):
They he questioned our that we weren't We weren't smart,
we weren't being logical, we were just being overly emotional.
It's a condescending thing to say, and it doesn't match
what he's saying yesterday about we just have to have
a better tone and a higher ground. This guy was
ready to criticize the legislature the moment he saw they
weren't doing what he wanted them to do, and as
a governor, he has that right. But don't come here

(41:58):
and take that opportunity yesterday to not talk about your
time in office. You want to go and wag your
finger about President Trump yet again. This guy's never liked Trump.
You didn't like him in sixteen.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I don't think. Spencer Cox sayes either. No, I just
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
And it goes back to even like John Kaysick, where
he's sitting there, you know, raw rawing Indiana for not
doing the redistricting. How come John Kasick isn't in our
state condemning the Democrats for what they did to steal
a district out out from under us. Why isn't he
in California telling Gavin Newsom the same thing? Now he
just goes to a Republican state and yells at Republicans.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Well, you know, this leads me to this the story
I saw today. There's a pull out greg today and
basically what it says, the number of Republicans who identify
as MAGA is dropping and they're becoming more turning toward
more traditional Republicanism.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
What is traditional?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Well? I want to know what a MAGA Republican is
versus a traditional Republican.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Don't For the most part, there's common ground on both sides.
Maybe the magas tend to be a little more aggressive,
which I don't mind at all. I don't know. I mean,
I'd like to hear from our audience today are great listeners.
What's the difference between a maga Republican and a traditional
Republican and jail? What is we'll roll over and let
the liberals run all over us.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I am so done with these will do that. I'm
done with these establishment you know, Republican sock puppets who
just do that want the swamp to grow and want
to be part of that, and even the version of
that that's Utah's version, you know that they keep talking
about Ronald Reagan. I'm so tired of these moderates and
these people that have been there for you know, since

(43:36):
the dawn of time saying I just want to go
back to Reaganomics. You know what Ronald Reagan was. He
was for the middle class. Yeah, you know, we had
a demographic in America called the Reagan Democrats talking about
you know what the Reagan Democrats from when Trump when
Reagan won forty nine of fifty states in nineteen eighty four.
Do you know where those if they're alive today and
voted for Ronald Reagan in eighty four or who they

(43:58):
are support today? They support Trump? Yeah, And I would
say that you have a trunk, You have a president
and administration that's leading this country and every day Americans
that are common sense and that's what they subscribe to.
And that's what I think Donald trump appeal. His appeal
is is to everyday common sense people because he'll say
what we're all thinking. Whereas the Democrats they are elitists,

(44:19):
the leftists that they just want to scold, they just
want to condemn everyone. I mean, they've they've alienated so
much of this country. And I don't buy this. You know,
traditional Republican Ronald Reagan, if he could, if Ronald Reagan,
if we could talk to him today that what that bloated,
you know, self serving town of DC has become, he

(44:42):
wouldn't recognize and he wouldn't want any part of and
everybody that lives there and keeps saying his name, he'd say,
keep my name out of your mouth. That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, this poll found that fifty percent of Republicans so
associated with MEGA, well fifty percent felt more linked to
the Republican Party. Back in April, similar poll was taken,
fifty seven percent of Republicans associated with MEGA and only
forty three percent felt more of a kinship with the
traditional Republican Party. I'd like to know what the difference is.

(45:11):
Do you know what's the difference between a mega Republican
and a traditional Republicans?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
My difference and nice it's not a great appraisal, but
I think people that are trying to cling on to
a broken status quo is what a traditional Republican is.
Because what Ronald ray, what Donald Trump represents is global
realignment of trade agreements, shutting down a border completely as
we now know the law allowed. So I think that

(45:38):
tax breaks, all the things that Ronald Reagan I think
would absolutely support, you're seeing supported by this president.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
All Right, we'll get to your phone calls coming up
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two to fifteen. Say hey Rod,
or leave us a comment on our talk back line
by downloading the iHeartRadio app. Your calls, your comments coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show. We're talking about
a couple of things. We've been talking about, what happened
in this Brown university, in this nightmare of a president
that just doesn't answer it. She said that they're the siren.

(46:06):
When the report said why didn't the siren go off?
And she said, well, we don't use it. No circumstances.
All on the website it says that's exactly what it's for.
And she said, well, it's not. It's in just certain circumstances.
I don't know what other circumstances. Now your shooter would
be than the one that they had. But so she's
just not showing well, it's just a bad deal. And
the other topic we're talking about is the survey out

(46:28):
showing that more and more Republicans are leaning again toward
a traditional Republican party, whatever that means, and not as
many toward MAGA. And we'd like know the difference between
a MAGA Republican and a traditional Republican. Eighty eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone
dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod or leave
us to come in on our talkback line. All you

(46:50):
do is have to download the iHeart radio app. Let's
go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yea, Let's go to Leah. Leah, who's been waiting in Harriman. Leah,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (47:00):
How are you doing? I love this show. Just I
want to be brief. I this idea of a MAGA Republican,
first of all, has to be taken in context. And
if you talk to the left media, they are a
bunch of radicals. If you talk to Trump followers, there

(47:24):
is a movement to help get traditional values back. If
you talk to the rhinos, it may be something different.
And so you really can say, what is the maga republican? Republican?
Because it means something different to everyone. Oh okay, And

(47:45):
the very last comment I want to make I have
to do with using universities as public platforms for political purposes.
I don't agree with what the governors just did, and
I don't agree with what Mint Romney did before Trump
lam for office, and that was he went to the university.

(48:09):
He stood up and gave all the reasons you know
what I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, I remember, remember that she's absolutely correct, and so yeah,
that that at the University of Utah. That's been kind
of the stage where Trump's been ripped on before by
Mitt Romney. And then you had this he did after
he after he thanked him for endorsing him in the
presidential cycle earlier in twelve and so it was such

(48:34):
a big deal to have his endorsement, and then four
years later I called him a fraud. So I don't
know which Mitt Romney, you know you're talking to any
given time. But yeah, I think she's right. I don't.
But here's the sad part. I don't. I honestly don't
think that that was supposed to be about Trump. I
think it was really supposed to be some war stories
from three governors that had Garry Herbert had ten years.

(48:58):
I think Governor I've had ten years because he had
he ran and won a third term, but left in
the middle of left and O three to be a
cabinet a secretary cabinet member for George W. Bush, and
then you had then a second term. Now, so I
don't think it was I don't think it was meant
to be as political or strident against Trump as it

(49:20):
turned out to be. And I think that choice was
by I think it was Governor Herbert that really went
all in on that.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
All right, let's go to the talkback line. But some
more our listeners have to say.

Speaker 12 (49:28):
Tonight, good mean Rod, good mean Greg. The difference between
Magga Republicans and traditional ones are exactly what Greg just said.
I mean, the Maga Republicans are FAFO. The traditional ones
there are a few steps away from communism. Honestly, This
is Ryan and South Jordan loved the show. Thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
All right, right, thought here's another comment.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Hey, Rod and Greg, this is Scott an American fork.
I have a definition for you for a maga Republican
versus a traditional Republican. A maga Republican wants to make
America great again, and a traditional Republican is just fine
keeping things the way they are.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
That's clinging to a broken status quo, by the way,
not not even a status quo that's.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Working at the moment. It's like, everything's going, okay, let's
not shake things up, Let's not do anything.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
It's not going okay. I don't know if you saw
the memory.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Okay, yeah, it's all working. Okay. That's what they believe.
Where Donald Trump came in and said, no, it's on,
and uh, we're going to shake it up.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And that's what I think the American people why seventy
seven million of US voted for Donald Trump. They wanted
to have things shaken up. I stir the pot for
Kranell Love that swamp. It's a bloated, miserable town. And
that's the status quo that I would argue that traditional
Republicans want to preserve well. I think traditional Republicans are
part of the uniparty, that's exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Is there a much of a difference between a Democrat
and a traditional Republican?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
There isn't. That's why if someone is someone out there
is I'm a Ronald Reagan day. The only people using
Reagan's name that I can tell right now are the
people that Ronald Reagan didn't identify with at all. Really,
I mean, it is such a bizarre thing to use
Ronald Reagan as your north star while you're fighting for
the status quo of that swamp. I don't understand how
they why that's where they go.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I think Ronald Reagan and now we have George now
we have Donald Trump. I think someone said this the
other day, what did they do and they made you
feel good about being an American? I think Ronald Reagan
did that, yes, and Donald Trump has done that make
you feel good about being an American. I don't think
the traditional Republicans deliver on that.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I think and you know what, you don't win forty
nine out of fifty states with just Republicans. You have
common sense everyday people. He was, he was a president
for the middle class. He was a champion of the
middle class, not a ruling class. And that's that's what
when I hear traditional Republican, I hear ruling class, you know,
not the middle class.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
All Right, more coming up on the Rod and Gregg
Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, Dan
R s Jane, how are you welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show?

Speaker 6 (52:06):
Being great? You know, you're talking about Reagan and some
people that claim that they're Reagan Republicans, but they don't
remember what he did. He said take down this wall,
which was very provocative. Yes it was very bold, but

(52:28):
these disagree better Republicans they wouldn't dare say a thing
because they might offend somebody for crying out loud. But
a president does need to be bold to make the
changes that need to be made today. Before I would
have been a delegate to the Republican Party, I didn't
know half of the craziness in the things that were

(52:51):
going on in the state. And I think you've got
three parties right now, Democrats, Republicans, and power seekers. The
power seekers they're Democrats and Republicans. Who they're objective is
to govern with principle and the law is to stay
in power anyway, they've got to do it and anything

(53:13):
they can trade to stay in power.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah, good point, Gene. I think you're right. I think
there may be spot on on that one.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
And I'll tell you what when he said, mister Werberchopp
tearing down this wall, that the US State Department was mortified.
They couldn't believe he said that.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
They were so angry, how dare he do that?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well, what a sloppy thing say? They just criticize me.
And it's one of those seminal moments in American history,
world history. I mean, it's such an important time. Okay,
let's go to al in West Valley City. Wow, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (53:40):
Great Magna Republican is a businessman that wants to get
kings done quick and efficiently. Regular Republicans is somebody who
wants to be kind of like a lawyer and wants
to discuss things for a while before gaining consensus.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, I think you're right when he said that. All
I do is think about you know, democrats. Democrats never
want to solve anything. Let's just point a commission and
think about it.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
They want to convene.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
They want to convene, they want to discuss. They don't
want anyone to take the lead.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Now, and that's what you need. And you know, Al
gave him some cred like they'll get something done. Maybe
at the end, like an attorney will solve something. I
don't know that the Republicans that want to convene really
do want I think they want you to think that's
the work. Hey, let's go to Carl, who's been waiting
in provo. Carl, welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
Hey, thanks for having me on. A traditional Republican is
technically part of the swamp. The Magga Republican wants to
drain the swamp. And Donald Trump's trying to stay afloat.
He's trying. It's this he's almost drownding in it. But
he's getting it done. Now. This root comment he said
about Rob Reiner, I could not support that in a

(54:47):
million years. YEA, Trump needs some table manners. But what
he's doing is genius. He is saving this country, literally,
saving the country.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I agree with you, saving saving, saving a country that
the people in the country can be proud of. And
they were Americans. We're proud to be in.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
And did you hear Carl The Democrats, the left to
se the elitist say, oh, look, you you just swallow
anything that Trump says, and you just, you know, you're
like a cult man. He's been called out so much
from the right that had been disappointed by that comment,
and we still know that that guy is saving this
country in ways that the swamp and the traditional Republicans
don't have the backbone to do, or actually even the desire.

(55:23):
I'm afraid. I think they like the little cottage industry
they've created over the decades.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
And they have created quite the cottage industry.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
And Reagan's no fan of theirs that even though they
use his name in vain all the time.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, the the the American people want something done, and
that's why they turned toward Donald Trump because they looked
at the Republican Party and they're saying, what have you
done for us lately? Not a whole lot. You've gone
along with putting America deeper and deeper into debt. You know,
you've gone along with being a part of the global community. Well,
we're different. We want to be Americans. We yes, we

(55:56):
want to get along with the rest of the world.
But first and foremost, as Donald Trump said, America first,
and that's what the American people want to hear.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Is he is doing things that we didn't. We didn't
know if you could do. We were told that these
are congress seans that passed a new law. You can't
do these things.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Oh you can't put it. You can't make the capital
of it of Israel and Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, he just moved it Tel Aviv. He put in
Jerusalem because you know, he wanted to and he did it.

Speaker 9 (56:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Also, his his Middle East tour is one of the
reasons also why we're seeing fifty five dollars a gallon
crude because of his relationship with Opek. They're not messing around.
They're not trying to, you know, mess with our market,
which is good.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Okay, Why do people want to leave America? There are
tours that will help you do that. But we'll talk
about it coming up next. Stay with us.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Both follow both. But but Era does a phenomenal job
that when we do these great interviews that we draw
them from columns that were nationally publicized and we asked
those columnsts to come on the show and so you
can read the column that we'll be talking.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
We'll be talking. The other thing he does, he lists
the bumper music. A lot of people say, what was
that playlist? The playlist which is kind of nice as well,
so check it out, all right. There are some well
known people who've left America because of Donald Trump. The
one I can think of right off the top of
my heads Rosie.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Yeah she can stay away. Yeah, it was a gift
to America. She gave us all.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
But did you know there are tours out there that
will take a group of Americans to various countries, this
one involving the Netherlands, show them what life is like
if they're interested in leaving the US and going to
the Netherlands.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
I didn't know, But of course this smug New Yorker
found out about this and wanted to make, you know,
heroes out of all these people that wanted to escape,
so called escape America. And that's the topic of our discussion.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, well, let's find out more about this with a
good friend, Kevin McCullough. He is a nationally syndicated host
and podcaster, joining us right now on our newsmaker line. Kevin,
thanks for joining us and talking about fleeing America. What
did you find so interesting about this story, Kevin Well.

Speaker 14 (58:03):
It was an article in The New Yorker, and it
spoke specifically about a group of people had decided that
life in America was so bad under a tyrant who
wants to become king, that they wanted to re locate
to the Netherlands, which is actually run by a king.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
You know, Kevin, as I was reading your column and
I appreciated it in the back of my mind as
you're writing, and I'm thinking, do they know that they've
had because anytime I've traveled abroad, and I've been a
few places, but every time you come back, you can
kind of contrast what you've grown up around or what
you're used to versus what you've experienced, even in quaint Europe. Okay,
so I'm thinking to myself, what do they think they're
trading here? But then you really get into that in

(58:51):
the article where you say, you know, the people of
the Netherlands aren't shy about saying, hey, we got our
share of we got our back of problems and challenges
out here. And yet New Yorker who wrote about this
still wrote about it romantically, as if it were some
valiant thing they did maybe share with our listeners. What
was the New Yorker really saying. You read between the

(59:12):
lines brilliantly.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Well, what they're trying to do is trying to They're trying.

Speaker 14 (59:17):
To soft sell these heroes that are trying to abandon
America as some sort of people to be looked up to.
And the truth is, if you really are an American
and you love what the last two hundred and fifty
years have represented for human freedom on the face of
the globe, the last thing you would want to do

(59:37):
is leave it. In fact, if you really are a
steward of freedom, you don't try to run away from it.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
You try to protect it.

Speaker 14 (59:45):
You try to fiercely guard what would come against it
to try to take away from it. And I think
it's a combination of laziness and ignorance that these people
would say these types of things, but they're wanting to
flee America, for example, because we are so worried about
the immigration issue.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
The Netherlands has actually had.

Speaker 14 (01:00:06):
A very bad immigration issue for themselves for the last
number of years, and they seem to be blind to
what's going on there. They have all kinds of issues
related to you know, supposedly you know America, you know,
thinking that it's not the best place, the most optimal
place for businesses and for an economy to grow and

(01:00:28):
so forth. And yet if you look at the restrictions
put on businesses in the Netherlands, you're dealing with a
whole different level of bureaucratic red tape that they can't even,
you know, begin to fathom. So it's interesting that the
New Yorker takes this tact, tries to make leaving America

(01:00:49):
as looking as sexy as I don't know being an American.
But at the end of the day, you can't find
another place on planet Earth that it's going to give
you the opportunity to speak freely, to start something from
nothing and build it into something, to give yourself the
ability to practice faith in the context that you see fit,

(01:01:12):
and to raise your children accordingly. This is the only
place where you can even feel free to love the
country or hate the country, and criticize it loudly and
not worry about your own future. This is the very
country you're trying to escape, and it's the only place
on Earth where you're guaranteed all those rights.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
And at the at the end of the day, if.

Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
You again, if you really want love, freedom, you don't
flee that nation. You try to take care of it.
You try to argue for it, you fight for it,
you serve it. You on some level go into public office,
or you put on a uniform, or you do something
that says, I'm going to invest in it, and I
think more than anything, guys, you drop to your knees

(01:01:52):
every day and you say thank you God for letting
me be born here, even in the bad years, even
in a lefte years, because we have something that no
one else has, and we have it because God did
look out for us and allowed us to craft it,
keep it, and so far hang on to it for
two hundred and fifty years. And without some real diligent

(01:02:13):
patriots following in the steps of those who founded it,
we won't be here two hundred and fifty years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Kevin, Are we that much different than we were let's say,
five or even ten years ago. You point out that
a lot of people say, well, America doesn't feel like
it used to. It's not the same country anymore. Are
we really that much different?

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
No, we're not.

Speaker 14 (01:02:33):
Those people just were successful and making everyone who didn't
agree with their twisted distorted, you know, woke view of
life be silent. Actually, real Americans that have loved American
values and the kind of Judeo Christian ethic that we
were built on haven't gone anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
That's where Trump's support came from.

Speaker 14 (01:02:54):
We were finally told it's okay to just be an
American again, and we represented that in three successful I
would argue victorious election cycles, one of which just had
the hell cheeted out of it by the other side
and got, you know, a practical dead man eighty one
million votes. But outside of that, you know, one odd

(01:03:16):
kind of thing. I would say Americans have been roaring
for the last three election cycles and telling the world
what we want to be, and what we want to
be is a lot more like what our founders created
us than what Alexandria Ocasio Cortes would like us to be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Yeah, Kevin, it's almost sixty five years ago that John F.
Kennedy as an inaugural address that ask not what your
country can do for you, ask what you can do
for your country. What would these democrats, I imagine they're
democrats who want to flee this country, what would they
say to John F.

Speaker 8 (01:03:44):
Kennedy?

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Right, now would they even consider him a Democrat today?

Speaker 14 (01:03:48):
No, No, there's no room for John Kennedy in the
modern Republic, in the modern Democratic Party. And all you
have to do is look at how they've treated Robert
Kennedy Junior to be able to be aware of that.
I mean, the Kennedys. Look, Joe Kennedy was a really
bad guy. He did not seem to really love America
very much. But I do think that John F. Kennedy

(01:04:11):
was one of those rare gifts to America. And by
asking that question, he's turned basically the Democratic Party premise
on itsier for the last sixty five years, because.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
None of them believe that anymore.

Speaker 14 (01:04:23):
It's all about what I can promise you as a
freebie when I run for office, and if you vote
for me, I'll give it to you. I mean, how
do you not have every Democrat in the country this
disassociating themselves from the mess that's been going on in Minnesota.
You should have Democrats up and down the ballot from
Washington State to Florida, from Maine to San Diego coming

(01:04:47):
out saying that's condemnable. It should never have happened. Billions
of tax dollars being wasted in fraudulent ways. Get elon Omar,
now that she's finally admitted to have been married to
her brother, see if she committed fraud on her visa
application to get here. Arrest some people, but this make
examples of those that are attacking us, and don't just say, well,

(01:05:11):
you know, it's just politics as usual and kind of
throw your hands up in the air. We've got to
be active in saying if we don't defend her, we
are going to lose her. And the great her is
this amazing country that celebrates its two hundred and fiftieth
birthday next week next year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Kevin, I always appreciate it having the show. Kevin McCullough,
he is a nationally syndicated host and podcaster talking about
these groups. And one of these groups basically they set
up tours for people. They take them to a country,
greg and show them everything about this country. If they're
considering leaving the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
You know what, I love that company. I want them
to take all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
And leave them a week. Shall we invest?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I think Kevin made a very good argument. They might
not be worried, they might not be worthy of the
American experiment. They thought it was all one way street.
All the benefits they get, they didn't know they had
to lean in and for all those found.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
A little bit. Yeah, pretty amazing. All right, more coming
up here on the Rodden great show and talk Radio
one O five nine k n R S.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
You need to do that, to do that, Okay, the
sun rises in the east. What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I mean okay, Well, earlier when we were talking about
what happened in Australia, and I made mention that the
guy who's been called the hero a Bondy Beach, the
guy who snap snuck up on one of the guys
and wrestled them down and took his gun away from
incredible hit in the arm. I had misreported that he
had been shot in the arm accidentally by police, not

(01:06:35):
the case who shot him. Apparently in the tussle that's
where some shots were exchanged to parents. Okay, but there
was another person, a bystander who came to the rest,
came to the rescue of these was miss Remember you
brought this up, I think yesterday that there were some
police officers there who kept on hiding behind vehicles and

(01:06:56):
they wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Come out and Yeah, they want coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Well, this gentleman did. He was involved in taking down
another one of the shooters. Right, police mistaked him and
did shoot him twice in the art son.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
And you know what again, we had a guest on
about that issue. They have laws on the books that
should have prevented that from happening. The son was on
a terrorist watch list. They should have been able to
confiscate their guns, certainly since they're confiscating everyone else's. They
didn't do it, And what are they doing right now?
The conversation in Australia is to just have even more
strict gun laws. The ones they had on the books

(01:07:33):
were adequate to make sure that that father and son
didn't have the guns that they used at Bondi Beach.
But they don't take any responsibility. They're just going to
use this moment to create.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
More more gun control control or gun laws, which makes
a whole lot of sense. Yeah. The story of this man.
He the heroic civilian who is only described as a
Middle Eastern refugee living with his wife and kids in Australia,
was in Bunday Beach when the two men started firing.
At least fifteen people were killed. In the attack. Dozens

(01:08:05):
of others injured, but apparently he was up there trying
to disarm or take the gun away from one. Police
mistook him and thought he was one of the gun
one of the shooters, and fired on and hit him
twice in the arm. Yeah, shoot at people who are
trying to help out, and not shoot at the people
who are causing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I would let that officer go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
I would.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I would just say your services are no longer along
your way, You're done.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
That wouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I wouldn't write them up.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
I would.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I would tell them they're done. We don't need that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah. Now there is more information coming out about the
one man who did sneak up and everybody's seen that video.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
A man hide behind that minimaan or that car, that vehicle,
and then he comes right up behind that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
But he was very quick thinking in this. After the
guy back down, he was pointing the gun at him, right,
he thought, wait a minute, they'll think I'm the I'm
the shooter, threw the gun down, put his hands up
and said, you know it's not me. It's not me.
He just backed down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, tell you he waited for that guy ran away
from him, though at first he was pointing that gun.
If that guy came out him, he was going to
shoot him, So he was he knew he was kind
of under the there was going to be a there
was a moment there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
So fortunately he kept on yelling as police were approaching,
don't shoot, don't shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Good that guy. I'll tell you why when he's interviewed him,
that he is an absolute hero. To run up on
an armed man when you have no when you're not armed,
and wrestle that gun away like he did.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
That is just and doesn't he doesn't he ownly like
a fruit stand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I don't know, but I I I hope that that
there's a big deal made about that guy. I love
when when there's moments like that where people are just
heroes and they just rise to an occasion. That he
woke up that day, he never dreamt in a million
years he'd be put in a situation like that, and
where ninety nine percent of everyone's running away from shots
like that. That man is walking up to those shots, crouching,

(01:09:54):
hiding behind a car with the only idea that he
is going to stop that person from doing what they're doing,
and that that is uncommon, and that is heroic in
a way that you know, we have movies and we
talk about it a lot, but it doesn't happen all
that often. And I'm telling you those unscripted moments, that's
where you learn a lot about human beings. And that
guy is aces to me, he's the top he's top shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Well law enforcement, who is discouraging people from doing that.
You don't want to do that, you understand that. Yeah,
but they said he did everything perfectly. He did did
he waited to the guy turned his back on him,
He snuck up quickly and grabbed and he said that
was the perfect way to disarm somebody in a situation
like that. And he's a pretty good sized guy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I think he looked older too. I don't think that's
all a spring chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, he's your age. He's not a young No, he's
older than me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
When I say old, I don't mean me. I'm not old.
Everyone everyone younger than me is a child. Everyone older
than me he's an old geezer. It's just my age
that whatever my age is is like the normal age. Yeah, yeah,
that's how that works.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Okay, Well, they said he did everything right and but
you know, there was not an article I saw today.
And I don't know how you deal with this, Greg,
but there are people out there, members of the Jewish
faith who just are now constantly living in fear. They
go out, they get in groups. I mean, how do
you live like that? And that's got to be a real,

(01:11:15):
real challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Well, and we heard again our guest. I was not
aware of this situation, but the Sydney Police and the
officials there of that city allowed this, these anti Semitic,
pro Palestinian protesters to march across the Sydney Harbor on
a bridge where the only thing that they cared about
is the annihilation of the Jewish people on planet Earth.

(01:11:38):
That's what they and they let them protest, and they
filled a bridge and they walked across and made a
big demonstration of it. And then they look at what
happens in Bondi Beach. And what's the guy say? The
Prime Minister says, it's right wing extremists. No, it's these
it's these pro Palestinian loons that you empowered and legitimized.
And I'll tell you what I don't understand Australia. I
lived there for you know, for a while I as

(01:12:00):
a missionary, and I am telling you they were not.
They were a rough and tumble crowd. They they didn't
put up with a whole lot. They were not. They
were not to be bullied around. And they were great
World War two stories of how American UH soldier men
and women and soldiers or soldiers in the military they were.
They were very close with the Australians in World War

(01:12:20):
Two and they worked shoulder to shoulder and they fought
the Nazis together, and there's these great stories. I don't
the bravery and the kind of Australian that I knew
doesn't comport with the politics that's going on in Australia
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
For me, the brilliant prime minister who said what was
it two days ago? Is right? Ring excess comes out
yesterday said oh these guys were influenced by isis Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
You don't say, wow, boy, he's a detective.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
You can you just figured that one out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
And he's done being prime minister. He can be a
private eye. And the really on top of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
The he's a digger, he knows what he's doing. She's
all right, Moore coming up The Rodden Gregg Show on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine a n RS.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
We talked to the first with Gary Gee. He's from
Ghee Capital Management. I say Gary knows like Bonos. I mean,
he just explained the economic picture for us perfectly. You
were able to interview Senator Lee and talk about the economy,
but other things going on in Washington. But along with that,
I think we got to continue to talk about this
economy and affordability because that is that's that's why Vice

(01:13:22):
President jad Vance is in Allentown, Pennsylvania today, because they're
not going to stop talking and working, not just talking,
working on making sure this economy rebounds the way it
needs to after you know, digging out from the Biden years,
and we're seeing good signs of that for some.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Well, let's look back at what has happened this year, Greg.
First of all, the Democrats tried the phrase dictator, fascists
and nazi. Remember that we heard that all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I've heard it for a decade.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, that kind of went away. Right then we had
the the government shutdown, the Obamacare crisis, Okay, the Obamacare
crisis is what they called it. And then we had
the trade war recession and the stock market meltdown when
he imposed the terroriffs. Remember those terms, Yes, but they
kind of went away, right. Yes. Then you had Gestapo

(01:14:08):
SS and Nazis with ice. Yes, that kind of went away, right.
And then you had illegal orders, unconstitutional use of force,
war crimes, war crimes right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
No double tapping on the bombs and then the missiles.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
None of those, none of those terms seemed to stick
to Donald Trump, even though they tried. They repeat him
over and over again, they haven't stuck with the president.
Now will affordability stick? Is that going to be the
issue in the twenty twenty six campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Well, the Democrats wish ill upon this country and its economy,
and they hope, they hope and pray that we don't
see a rebound, and any news that will be positive
at your life, they will they will narrate as negative.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Yeah, they will use it.

Speaker 13 (01:14:48):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about that,
as David Winston, he is president of the Winston Group,
that's a political group. Joining us on our Newsmaker line.
He wrote about the Electorates inflation report card. Three factors
to watch David, Thanks for joining us, David, What are
those three factors?

Speaker 9 (01:15:06):
Because let me start with prices versus wages, and what
you saw in the last election was, as a result
of Biden four years, prices went up twenty one point
four percent while weekly wages went up sixteen point seven
That was about a shortfall of five percent that people
were having to pay for just inflation, and ultimately that

(01:15:28):
ended up being the decisive element in terms of the
deciding what the elector were wanting to go a different direction,
and so what they were looking for out of this
current administration is what can they do in terms of
having wages increased in a faster rate than prices, And
they've done it a little bit where since he's become president,

(01:15:48):
wages have outdone prices by zero point four percent. The
problem that they've born into is when you ask the
state of inflation, though fifty seven percent of the country
thinks that in fact, inflation is getting worse, and so
that shift, even though it's slightly positive, is not enough yet.

(01:16:09):
And so what you've seen in this gets to the
third piece, and that is how do people, as a
result of those two factors, view how Trump is handling
in inflation in the economy. And what you see is
that in terms of inflation, thirty three percent approve of
how he's handled it, fifty nine percent disapproving. The more
critical subgroup within that that was amongst independence of political center,

(01:16:32):
where you see that twenty two percent say that I'm sorry, uh,
twenty three percent approve of how he is handling in place,
and this is amongst independence, and sixty eight percent disapproved.
And now you get to the sort of big conclusion here,
that's sixty eight percent of independence who disapprove of how

(01:16:56):
he's handling inflation represents twenty two percent of the electorates.
So that's the challenge facing Republicans and the president.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
You know, David, I commend you. I think you're absolutely right.
We do not want to fall into the trap that
the Biden administration and his apologist did when he was
in office to say the economy's doing great. You're just
not smart enough that you can't tell, you know, you
just don't know how good we have it. That's not
going to fly. And I agree with you. In fact,
I agree with you from within my own home. I
am not telling my wife when she goes after she's

(01:17:25):
been to the grocery store that everything's fine, because I
will hear otherwise, So I completely concur what we're told
is that, Okay, inflation is at three percent, two and
a half to three percent. We're here, interest rates have
gone down, gasoline's come down. But then we also hear
that tax returns there may be more coming to taxpayers

(01:17:46):
than they were anticipating because of the reforms that were
done in the Big Beautiful Bill. We've got ten months
basically before October of twenty six, when early ballots might
go out ten months. Do you see a change or
an uptick in our economy in the next ten months
that may give the independence, give people in general, every

(01:18:07):
day people a sense that the economy is improving well.

Speaker 9 (01:18:12):
And you go to a critical part here in terms
of and this is the one thing I think there
are some who have gotten frustrated with the president when
he gave himself an a plus plus plus on the economy.
To your point, there are a lot of people like
your wife going into grocery stores looking at prices, going
this isn't happening the way I'm being told that it's happened.
And that was a huge mistake by the Biden team.

(01:18:34):
Having said that, when you look at the big beautiful build.
There are a lot of policies in that that should
promote the sort of economic growth that will generate the
sort of wages that will allow people to better deal
with costs of living. Those are going to take some time,
and part of what has to occur here is the
discourse with the electorate, getting them to understand what is
likely to be seen coming down the road. Certainly, if

(01:18:55):
things begin to improve, you would see the public react
accordingly in terms of dealing with cost of living. And look,
you know that's what happened if you go way way
back to the Reagan era. Reagan passed all these initial
bills and had very difficult first midterm, but ultimately one
of the largest re election that we've seen in a

(01:19:16):
long time. In nineteen eighty four. We're in one forty
nine out of fifty states. And why did he do that?
Because his economic policy has produced four consecutive quarters of
eight percent economic growth or higher. And so, yes, it's
got to be big. But if it's big enough, people
will respond to it. And that's a good example of
where it worked.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yeah, but will it be difficult for them to realize
it or will they realize it right away? David, or
is it more of a gradual change that they'll start seeing.

Speaker 9 (01:19:46):
It's going to be more graduals change, because what will
happen is, hopefully we will begin to grow at a
rate that outpaces inflation by a large enough margin that
in fact, people can begin to feel like, wait, I'm
being able to better afford the food, do the things
that I need to get clients that I need to buy.

(01:20:06):
And so it won't be a you know, suddenly and
like you know, a light on or off. It'll be
an evolution where people by the time you get you know,
the middle of next summer August September, the sense of,
you know, things are beginning to get back on the
right track and we're heading the right direction. Again, we
don't the president and Repubans don't need one hundred accomplishment.

(01:20:28):
What they need to to the point that you're making
is the sense that things that are moving in the
right direction, and I feel like we're this is the
right direction to be headed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
You know, David. One of the parts that you brought
up in there is that it doesn't help the president
when when affordability. The issue of affordability is called a
con job by the Democrats. The only part that makes
me kind of feel guilty is I have accused them
Democrats of this, because where were you during the Biden administration. Democrats,
you were telling me I was just I had money, dysmorphia, dysphoria.

(01:21:00):
I didn't understand how good I had it. Now the
sky's falling and you're talking about it when actually, if
you look at nine percent interest rates or inflation versus
two and a half, youve got to say the president's
at least digging us out of this thing. So I
think that both can be true. I think the Democrats
can be completely disingenuous on this issue but also acknowledge

(01:21:21):
that we do have an affordability issue that we still
have to see improvement. Am I off?

Speaker 9 (01:21:27):
No, well by twisted to it. There is no question
that the electorate one of the reasons they voted so
harshly against Democrats in twenty twenty four, but specifically because
that they would this is only transitory, This isn't going
to be that bad, and you know things are going
to be better, and look, you know this is getting big.

(01:21:48):
They rejected that out right, and they thought, you know, look,
the challenge, however, Republicans to your point is, yes that
was the case, and yes that's what Republicans. Then the
president was handed about the bottom line, as they they
expect performance and so they expect things to happen just
simply saying, look how bad they were. Okay, that's something

(01:22:10):
that the doctor already knew, and that's why they were
given That's why the president was given a responsibility here.
He's got to put points on the board and that's
the challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Well was it? James Carvel said in the ninety two
election to Clinton, is the economy stupid?

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I think it'll be the same thing in the twenty
twenty six mid terms. I had optimistic Greg too. With
twenty twenty six the tax cuts coming with big beautiful Bill,
Americans may have a different attitude next fall.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
To see all those federal job shrink, to see all
the private sector jobs go up, and to see it
not be for you know, H one B one visas
or illegal immigration, but you know, real jobs for Americas.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I think I'm I'm bullish that we're going to see
a good economic comeback here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Well, look at these numbers, Greg, two hundred and seventy
one thousand federal jobs have been eliminated or do not
exist ever since Donald Trump became president. Now, someone pointed out,
and I meant to ask Gary this today, but we
can't get time. Was there were a number and I'm
not sure how big a number, but a number of
federal employees took the early retirement. Yeah, they said, hey,

(01:23:15):
we'll take advantage of this. Why not? So that led
to the numbers, and then what is it, seven hundred
thousand private sector jobs have been created, Donald Trump? Those
are amazing numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
The number of federal employees is at the twenty fourteen level.
If we were interested in draining a swamp, if you're
telling me that we have that, we've dropped that two
hundred and seventy one thousand federal employee jobs to a
level that we haven't seen since twenty fourteen, I think
there has to be good that comes from that fact there.
You just can't have that many jobs and it not

(01:23:49):
and it not be a drain on this economy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Yeah, and Native born Americans with jobs up two point
six million in the last six months or last twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Months, last twelve months. Yet no, it's so I think
we see all the signs and you know, that the
regime media will go kicking and screaming. They're never going
to tell you that this economy is turned around. Never,
but will we'll Actually, it won't be me. I know how.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
I'll know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I have a I have a barometer in my home.
It's called Queen Bee. She will be informing me whether
we're doing well or not. It'll be, It'll be I'll
be informed. I'll get the memo, folks, and then I'll
pass it along because I can.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
She'll tell you, yes, no doubt. All right, bore, coming up,
final segment, final few minutes. So they're Rod and Greg
show right here on Utah's Talk radio one oh five
nine k n rs. I hope he can handle this.
Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
I'm sitting down.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Okay. People in Minnesota. Matter of fact, ninety seventy nine
percent of registered voters in Minnesota think that fraud is
the number one issue in their state.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
That's because the elderly, that disabled, and the children have
all been robbed who would have otherwise received billions of
assistants that they didn't get because they've truly been robbed.
And so yes, seventy nine percent would be a I
don't know what you know the twenty nine percent are thinking,
but you've been robbed, folks in Minnesota. If you live

(01:25:11):
in Minnesota, you have been robbed.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
And here's what you're ready for this your tax payer
money ready to present abroad. Only fourteen percent. I think
Governor Timmy has done enough to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
The fraud, because he hasn't.

Speaker 11 (01:25:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
All I know is that the reading comprehension level in
Minnesota seems to be pretty good, because only you know,
they're they're they're comprehending what actually happened, and they're not
taking Governor tim Walls as it's all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
He just all His only retort to any of the
billion the most historic and disturbing fraud we've ever seen

(01:25:47):
committed in a state is to say the name Trump.
That's all he knows how to do. He has no
other recourse. People want to jail. Yeah, it's billions, and
you sent what thirty You know it wasn't thirty people
did all this. This is much bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
And who's who's the the loan in Connecticut or Rhode
Island is Chris Morphy, the Senator who the other day
blamed the Brown University shooting on Trump of.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Course, it's just everything's Trump. Everything that's that's their only
go to. What are they gonna do when he's done
with this term, He's hopefully will continue this trajectory. Good
things will happen. I mean, who are they gonna they'll
They'll switch it to someone else. If anybody thinks that
when Trump leaves office that the rhetoric will the tone
will calm, and that people won't Republicans will no longer

(01:26:32):
be called Nazis and fascists and war criminals. No, no, they're
going to pivot to the next Republican leader and candidate
for president, and they're going to use all the same
sentences that they've been using.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Final final question for you tonight. When you hear the
term slop, what do you think of s l o p.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Slop bad food at a diner.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Slop? Well, I think stuff you give pigs.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Yeah, No, that's that's some more accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
I didn't realize it has a different name. Apparently it
means creepy, zany and demonstrably fake. No, that's sloppy, sloppy,
and that is Marion Webster's word of the Year for
twenty twenty five is slop.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
No, I thought it was unedible food or food that's gross.
I thought of stuff he gave to pigs, Well that
would be gross. So yes, gross food is what I
would have swamp.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
That's what they'd say. I didn't know that. Learned something
new every day. By the way, Fox News biggest year
ever in twenty twenty five. That's great, you know number
one year, Number one showed Jesse Waters.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
No, it's interesting because twenty four should have been a
high watermark because it was a presidential election. To see
that after that election's over running off year, to see
numbers that are a year over year higher, that's a
that's a good deal.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
That's a good sign, huge win for Fox News and
twenty twenty five good for them. All Right, Well that
does it for us tonight, as we say each and
every night here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine can arrests. Head up, shoulders back, Thank God, bless
you and your family of this great country. Ours, mister
Hughes Wingman. Wednesday tomorrow, Oh can't wait, starts at four.
We'll talk to you then, have a good evening.

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