The Rod and Greg Show: Solving Utah's Homelessness Problem

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But here we are, and I'm about to say hello
to the audience, and you're in the goose chair.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh so I should shut up.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I thought I was to lead the show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Wow, Wow, Okay, we'll go. If you want to start again,
we can start again now.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Right now, little late now, no welcome every you know
we've missed that. You know he's he raised gone, folks are.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Eric break Last week he went to a big, big
bowling tournament.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Any Bowl, the perfect game and it was national news
and we talked about a little bit last week. But anyway,
he's kind of a big deal. He's kind of got
a little bit of a swagger to him.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
He wants people to open the door for him when
he comes to doorways.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
He's well, he's asked if he could have a car
pick him up every morning.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now, that guy just says he bought a perfect game
in a national championship. He hit everyy strike.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Pretty cool, Pretty cool. All right, we have got a
lot to get to today. We're going to talk about
the crime in d C. Isn't that funny? Greg? And
you even mentioned this yesterday on this show. The the
liberals in this country are defending criminal activity. Yeah, instead
of coming together and say, let's get together and do
something about this. They're saying, well, Donald Trump is being

(01:12):
just a dictator and he wants to control every major
city in America today. No, he does, and he wants
to make every city in America say for all of us.
That's what he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
In Washington, d C. Is not like every city. It
certainly has a federal nexus to the it is the
capital of the United States of America. There is a
home rule that they have an agreement with the local government,
but the federal government in Congress really do make the
ultimate decisions, or have at least allowed there to be
a city to make those. But it's very different than
any other metropolitan area. And I've seen some liberals, some

(01:43):
leftists say, well, you know, Saint Louis has, you know,
dangerous crime, and that's a red state, and Nashville has
dangerous crime and that's a red state. Well, the states
take it for me. The states don't get to go
into Salt Lake City and run it in public safety.
It's those Democrat mayors and councils in both Ashville, Saint Louis,
Salt Lake City and in DC that are letting this madness,

(02:04):
this lawlessness run reign supreme. And in Trump's case, that's
the capital city. He's going to do something about it.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And a lot of it has to do greg, with
the judges, with the prosecutors, with the district attorneys. You know,
the mayors are involved, but everyone else they've given them.
I mean, the why do we even have greg a
juvenile justice system in the nation's capital when if you
committed crime at fourteen, don't worry about it because twenty
one year, fine, you're gone. They exp you don't have it. Yeah,

(02:32):
how does that happen?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
And then you have what did the chief police, chief
of police or someone or the DASA. Well, kids will
be kids, actually kids, aren't, you know, running and marauding,
gangs and carjacking and you know, beating people, you know,
to a pulp. Here's here's what's amazing. When when when
Biden was the president, we had these leftists, the Democrats,
they say, you know, the border's totally safe, we do

(02:55):
not have any open borders. You had my orchest telling
Congress we enforced the law. As you saw thousand television
cameras would see thousands, one thousands of people illegally entering.
We are living through the exact same rhetoric. DC is
totally safe. Yeah, DC, Well, I don't know what's what's
the problem here. Oh, there's some problems. There's a lot
of problems. And I think that the regime media they've

(03:16):
they've just stumbled on another one of these, and then
leftists and one of these ninety ten issues, ninety percent
of Americans are going to gravitate to public safety and
repel and be against lawlessness. And you've got these these
wits that want to say no, no, if it's Donald Trump,
then we'd rather have the lawlessness.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
And so the Democratic Party just comes out on the
run end of almost every issue nowadays, and they can't
figure out, why are we not attracting more voters to
our party? Well, look what you're doing here? This message nationally,
I think it's ninety five to five if you want, honestly,
who doesn't want safe streets in a safe community to
live in?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Then there's been an observation that when they kept saying
to Trump, well, you know, you need new laws, and
he said, you don't need new laws on the board,
you need to enforce the border. And then when it
worked the left doesn't say we were wrong. They say, oh,
we were never for open borders. And then when he's
going to tell NATO they got to pay their full share,
they said, oh, you're going to destroy NATO when they
start paying their full share. They said, well, we always
want them to pay their full share. Well, you watch

(04:14):
what happens on this one when they start to address
the crime and the lawlessness and it starts to get
safer there and people realize it. Every one of these
voices that's screaming and shrieking right now will say, well,
we were never for crime, we were never for this.
That's what they'll do.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
That's what they'll do. I sure will live in it.
But well, homelessness a real issue in the nation's capital,
a real issue here. Coming up later on in the show,
we'll talk with folks from the other side of academy.
They know what they're doing there, Greg, I think you
would agree with me. They've got some very practical solutions
to addressing the homeless problem. We'll talk about that a
little bit later on. We'll talk about the universities, and

(04:48):
we'll also talk about one man who in Kansas did
this by himself, got his community to name this month
traditional family Month, and we'll talk to him about how
he did it. But let's continue it. Coverage of the
Washington crime issue and what the president did. CNN's Harry Enton,
Oh we just love Harry always comes with great stuff
on CNN. Well, he did some polling today about how

(05:11):
Washington d C. Residents feel about what Donald Trump announced yesterday.
Listen to what he found out here. Results of that poll.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
No, no, they.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Hate this whole idea. I think there's some idea out
there that Trump's somehow a conquering hero. But he's in
fact is welcomed in Washington, d C. As Eagles fans
are commander's games. What are we talking about here? Well,
lay could take a look here. DC residents on Trump
and local issues. He's too involved. Look at this. Seventy
one percent say he is too involved. And this course
was even before Monday's actions, compared to just eleven percent,

(05:42):
just eleven percent who say they want him more involved.
In fact, a majority of every single demo tested by
The Washington Post and a poll earlier this year, found
that they believed that he was in fact too involved.
DC residents hate, hate, hate this whole idea. Of Trump
getting involved in local issue.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Now you're saying to yourself, wait a minute, washing in
DC kind of a file in place, wouldn't you want
the residents of that community to want safety, right, But
apparently because of Donald Trump's idea, they don't like the idea.
So why is that And what is the.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Data say about President Trump and his relationship to DC
why he might have feelings about that. Yeah, a lot
of people have been concentrating on the policy of this
decision by President Trump, but I think it's also important
to point out the politics of this decision and just
talk about one reason why Donald Trump might not like Washington,
DC besides the crime issue, and that is because take

(06:32):
a look at all of the counties or the county
equivalents nation. While we're talking over three thousand, where did
Donald Trump do the worst in twenty twenty four, Well,
he did the worst in Washington, DC, getting just six
point five percent of the vote. The vast, vast majority,
ninety percent plus of DC voters went against Donald Trump. Again,
I just think it's so important to point out that

(06:54):
DC residents don't like this move, and they really don't
like President Trump. They hate Donald Trump. They hate Republican
over and over again. They have voted against down Trump
voted against Republicans and again on the crime issue that's
so important. A smaller and smaller percentage going down, down down,
believe it is the top problem in our nation's capital.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, that's amazing, Greg. I mean, six point five percent
of all the voters in the district of Columbia voted
for Donald Trump. And you wonder why they don't like him.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And just what extreme population that must be, because this
is truly cutting your nose off to spike your face.
I mean, you are talking about your own personal safety,
of which you would rather have less of than Donald
Trump be involved. You know, my son, he just spent
too much there.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, he's got some interesting insight in it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
So this has become more of an issue. But I
asked him, I just I said, what was it like?
I mean, you're there, You're from Utah. You know the
difference between living here and living there. Here's some of
the things that he lived through. Okay, when you go
to a seven eleven or a Communia store, there's a
sign and it and that sign says that only four
to five teenagers can enter into the Communia store at
any given time, so they got enforced thing grocery stores

(08:02):
like our smiths or our grocery stores after four or
five pm. There isn't any teenager that's under the age
of sixteen that's permitted inside a grocery store in Washington,
d C. After four or four to five pm. And
they have a guard that sits there and watches. They
can't come in. They're not allowed into the store at
all at all.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
If they have adult supervision they have.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
If they're accompanied with an adult, they can come in.
But no teenager sixteen or under is allowed to enter
any growth at any time. Not the evening, but at
any time. Then he says, I'm going to the I'm
going to get the deodorant and you know, the laundry shampoo.
You can't. They have locked it all up. You can't
get anything at a c he says, basically, at the CBS,
at the Growth, it's everything in there. It's all you

(08:46):
get these pieces of paper that you have to take
to the front counter, and then they go back and
they have to go get what you've these papers of,
you know, your deodorant and your detergent and everything to space.
They have to go get it and bring it back
to you, and it takes forever. It is so laborious.
And yet these are the types of things that I
guess Washington d C. Residents would rather live within and
than to have someone like Trump actually be able to

(09:09):
fix it. So I think that that this out of
If you're traveling to DC and you see this, I
think most of America is going to appreciate the attempt
to bring public safety back to that capital city.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
New poll out this is getting you, and I think
are pretty well convinced that the nut job in New
York City is going to win the mayor's race, right yeah, yep.
New poll out tonight is giving zoron Mumdani what we
call him Zulander. He's pulling at forty four percent, Andrew
Cuomo running at twenty five percent, Curtis Sliwa at twelve percent,

(09:44):
and incumbent mayor Eric Adams at seven percent. So Mam
Donnie has a I think a commanding forty four Yeah, Nottally,
I don't know if anything's going to derail this guy.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I don't think there's any more information that is it
already out there even nationally. If that is not just
weighted voters from supporting him that I don't know what
would so careful what you vote for, folks, So we'll
see how that you're giving it.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
All right, let's go to Charles Lips and Charles of
course an author, a contributor to The Spectator, Professor emeritus
at International of International Politics, we should say, at the
University of Chicago. Always enjoy talking to Charles. Charles. How
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks
for joining us, Charles.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
Hi, Rod and Greg. Let me tell you when I
was in graduate Schoolmi's father was one of the leaders
of all the protests at Harvard Graduate School. So and now,
of course he's a very wealthy professor in New York
and his wife is a prominent filmmaker. But the proven

(10:47):
aunce goes deep.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, all these people that want to take people's assets
and wealth getting rich, it just seems a contradiction.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
How old is that, Charles. Let's talk about DC. You
say the move announced by the Resident yesterday was a
smart political move. What do you mean by that?

Speaker 7 (11:05):
I mean it puts him on the right side of
law and order. It's a DC is a unique situation
because the federal government has authority there to act in
a way that it doesn't in Salt Lake City, or
LA or Chicago, New York. But I think it's another

(11:28):
one of those eighty twenty issues that Democrats have managed
to get on the wrong side of. I think the
news today is that you see that the mayor and
the police chief there really want to work with Trump
on this, and if they can succeed in reducing the
levels of horrific violent crime in DC, it'll be a

(11:52):
winner of an issue.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
You know, Charles, here's my question, and you share, I
think a pretty frightening story. I hope you can share
with our listeners about what your your what you faced
in terms of crime there in d C. But let
me ask you, Mary and Barry. They had him on tape,
you know, smoking crack. I can remember this town and
even the eighties when I lived back. I used to

(12:15):
live in Pittsburgh. We take a trip down there. It
seemed to be a nightmare, is it? Honestly, has DC
ever been a city on a hill? Has it ever
been any good for these things like public safety?

Speaker 7 (12:26):
It's a city in a swamp, yes, But I think
there been times when crime was much lower. I think
it's a sad fact that when the crime comes out
of high crime communities, this is true in LA, it's
true in Chicago and elsewhere, and spills out onto the

(12:48):
downtown streets and begins to affect media centers, in particular
in New York and LA and Washington. You you really
hear about it. But the polling that I've seen among
citizens in Washington is that essentially two thirds of them
think that crime is a very serious issue and they

(13:12):
want it reduced. You hear the Democrats say, well, crime
is down, Yes, it's down a little, but it's still
very high, and it's a dangerous city and we see
it every day. If DC were a state, it would
be the highest crime state in the country on a

(13:33):
per capita basis. As a city alone, on a per
capita basis, it's fourth in the country in terms of crime.
So I don't see why Democrats are getting on the
side of things are great in DC.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, Charles, the final question for you, can the president
or do you think the president will use this if
he can get things somewhat straightened out in Washington and
get it on the right path, use this to show
the rest of the nation, what can be done in
cities like Chicago and Los Angeles and New York. Do
you think that that made may be his end goal.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
His end goal, I think you're exactly right, is to
show the country that if you put in a kind
of strong law and order effort, you can protect not
only the prosperous middle class community, but you can protect
poor minority communities which are preyed upon. But if the

(14:30):
president begins to take troops, even National Guard troops, onto
the streets outside of DC, as he did in LA,
that's much more problematic for the public because they don't
want to see our country subject to a kind of
militarized policing.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Makes sense. CHARLEL. Libson, author contributor from the Spectator, Professor
emeritus of International Politics, University of Chicago. Thank you for
joining us on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Thanks Charles, truly my pleasure. Read Charles's article his articles
at Charles lipsn dot com. All right, more coming up
on The Rod on Greg Show and Talk Radio one
oh five nine k NRS.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
You've been talking about Washington, d C, the lawlessness, all
the chaos going on there. We're gonna switch gears slightly
it's actually, I think very related. We're gonna switch gears
and talk about Salt Lake City. We're gonna talk about
the Other Side Academy, but more importantly, we're going to
talk about how to fix chronic homelessness. You've heard that
said before. It sounds like snake oil. Although I lost him,

(15:31):
he's not on.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh, we'll get him back. We'll get him back.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Okay, it's gone. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I'm yeah,
I know you're looking at me. I'm handling the the
Master operation and I am telling you I had that.
I had that ready to go. It is not it's
not my fault. I did not do it. But let
me just tell our folks, our listeners. We were going
to speak with Joseph Greennye. He's the chair of the
Other Side Academy this he's a citizen soldier, a guy

(15:57):
that really knows his stuff. He walks to walk to talk. Joseph.
I don't know how I lost you. Please don't stay
as my fault.

Speaker 8 (16:04):
But thank you for joining us, Joseph.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Joseph, we love having you on the show and what
you do at Other Side Academy. Are there some very practical,
simple things that could be done to address chronic homelessness.

Speaker 9 (16:20):
Absolutely. The problem is the system is broken. We don't
have bad people in the system. We've got great providers,
great people with good intentions. But the problem is that
it's the system is designed the equivalent as if you
were to go out and buy a car, where you
had to buy the bumper and the carburetor and the
seats and everything else and try to put it together
yourself at home. The typical homeless person has to interact

(16:42):
with a dizzying array of specialist service providers that don't
really solve the full problem. What we need is super providers.
What we need is for the state to stop funding
people that make bumpers and carburetors and seats. We need
to have the states say we are only going to
work with super providers that take somebody all the way
from the street to PSDC. PSDC is important permanently housed,

(17:07):
self reliant, drug free, and crime free. That's the outcome
individuals who are on the street whose lives is a
mess wants. That's what the state wants, That's what the
community wants, is for people to get out of these
awful circumstances to PSDC. And what we don't have is
providers that do that whole job. And so what we've
got right now is lots of providers that can claim success,

(17:29):
that can say I'm doing a great job providing a
warming shelter or handing out meals. They're offering mental health
services and they are they're doing a splendid job of that,
but it's not coming together to create the outcome we want.
We need to stop funding specialist service providers and start
saying only super providers who are going to take responsibility
for that whole arc of change is where the money

(17:51):
needs to go. That's how markets work. Markets work when
people are responsible for the whole solution, not just their
little part.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
You know, Joseph, this analogy of car parts instead of
the car is so it just for me that I've
been part of this, but it just makes so much
sense because I think when the person that whoever's paying
the bill, if who they're paying, is not the person
that's receiving the care, then there's perverse incentives along the way.
You actually need people to need a warming station. If
you're going to be good at having a warming station,

(18:19):
you need and so maybe talk about how some of
these providers, with the best of intentions, may be perpetuating
the very problem because their lane is so strict. They
only know how to do what they do, but they
need people in front of them to perform that service.
How does that actually get so far away from those
in need?

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, that's exactly the case.

Speaker 9 (18:40):
And as you say, most markets work because the customer
demands complete results. But the problem when you have a
different payer and a different customer, when those two roles
are split, is the market never corrects.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
So what we've got right now is.

Speaker 9 (18:53):
People on the streets that need that full range of
support to get to PSDC. But what we've got is
somebody else paying for it. And so when a provider
has to decide do I pay attention to the customer
or to the payer? Guess who they're going to pay
attention to. They pay attention to the payer, and the
pair keeps sending signals that say we like what you're doing,
Keep doing it, keep doing it, keep doing it. I

(19:13):
can tell you at the other side village, where we're
working with people that are coming off the streets and
trying to lead them through that whole path that so
many times when they tell us their past story. They
describe I was no longer billable. It's a pathetic, awful thing.
They were no longer billable. So I just finished a rehab.
I knew I was shooting meth on the street, and
I knew I didn't want that in my life if

(19:35):
I wanted to improve things. So I got to a
rehab because the government would pay for the rehab, and
I got sober. I was sober for sixty days, and
then I left that program and I'm back on the
street again because I'm.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
No longer billable.

Speaker 9 (19:47):
That's what happens when you have a system that's filled
with specialist providers rather than super providers, rather than people
that actually solve the PSDC problem permanently. How self reliant,
drug free and crime. I'm free. Nobody ought to be
receiving any compensation or any government support unless they're taking
somebody in that entire journey.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
That's the car we're after. We're talking with Joseph Grennye.
He as chairman of the board at the other side
of the academy. Joseph this concept of too many chefs
in the kitchen, because obviously that's what's going on right now.
But this isn't a problem isolated just to Utah or
Salt Lake City. It's happening all around the country, isn't
it when it comes to homelessness and trying to deal
with it.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, that's how it works.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
And the way you know you have a system problem
is you put more money in and get no better results.
You see that in California, in Oregon and Washington, in
New York City and everywhere because we have the same problem.
The market doesn't get fixed because there's a separate payer
and a separate customer, and so the provider has to
decide who to pay attention to. They tend to pay

(20:49):
the attention to the payer, and we keep in government
perpetuating and the donor community too, perpetuating this disaggregated, this
dizzying system. You imagine the typical homeless person that has
to try to figure out all these agencies and where
to go get a.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Piece of this and a piece of this and a
piece of this.

Speaker 9 (21:07):
Well, when your life is that broken, you can't manage that,
and so the system is broken. And that's why we
continue to put in more resources and not get better
results real quickly.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
You have three solutions. You fund that a whole problem.
Complete transparency, just real quickly, because we're coming up on
a break. Provide motivational accountability. Talk about the role of
public safety for those that find themselves homeless, but also
just the public at large. How does that play a
part in getting someone back on their feet.

Speaker 9 (21:35):
Yeah, and you named all three of them, right. So
first we need to pay for just full results. Second,
we need transparency. So every provider ought to have on
the front page of their website a posting that says
what percentage of the people that they took off the
streets made it to PSDC.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
We do that and it'll be transformational.

Speaker 9 (21:53):
The ones who were ineffective will go out of business,
the ones who are effective will start to get more resources.
That's how you fix a market. And then finally, there
has to be motivational accountability. If I'm on the street
and my life is a mess, I usually get stuck
in this self defeating trap. The only way we start
escaping traps is when the pain of not changing exceeds
the pain of changing. Because changing is hard, and so

(22:15):
people being arrested when they violate the law, and if
that means that I lose all the stuff I've got
because I was taken to detention. That's one of the consequences.
Me being miserable on the street is part of what
can motivate me to change. And so I'm not saying
we ought to be heartless. We do not let people die,
but we ought not to be thinking about how to
fluff up their life on the street, because that's not
where we want them. We need accountability because that motivates change.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Joseph has always just great to have me on the show.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I appreciate your thoughts on this. I know we'll be
talking again. Thank you for your time this afternoon. I
look forward to it. Thank you, Greg, Thank you Ron.
All Right, Joseph Grenny, chairman of the board, whether the
side of Academy. That just makes a heck of a
lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Us from the congregation right here, I'm telling you what
he just said. I just say, amen, I mean, I'm
telling you those he made. He makes such a complicated,
complex issue, uh you know, really into a three step
how you get it done.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
But nobody listens unfortunately. All Right, more coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one O
five nine o k n r S.

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Speaker 2 (23:35):
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Speaker 8 (23:36):
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was I mean, she was fun. I mean she always
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Speaker 1 (23:50):
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he was her father in the in the in the
video is great.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Anyway, you you were so knowledgeable about Cindy Lapper.

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her music has aged well as far as I'm concerned.
I think it's still great stuff, just like you.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
You've aged.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
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I'm not alone in this Christmas tree on this it's.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
A Christmas It just sounds like it's fun and it's
going to be a nice evening. I mean our weather
so far this summer has been a great summer for weather,
and it'll be a nice evening out there.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
And sometimes when we give tickets away, it's like in
ten years from now. If you call now, you'll get
to go. This is like in two days. I'm so excited.
My add can't live past these day's like for these
tickets that happen one day, this is in two days
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Speaker 2 (24:34):
Okay, how much money do you think you need to
be considered wealthy in the United States? How much money
do you think you need to be considered.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
And even willing to think, I yeah, they can be
considered wealthy. Well, you certainly have to be a millionaire.
You have to have multimillions in your balance sheet because
you need to live off the interest of it to
live well. You can't afford a home if you're you
don't have a million dollar home.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Charles Schwab's latest Modern Health Wealth Survey says you have
to have at least two point three million dollars.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
In assets in liquid assets.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
It just says two point three million dollars. It could
be assets could be liquid assets. I'm not sure, but
that's what you need to be considered wealthy in America today.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Actually, I would say that that would be low to
be wealthy. That's that almost seems like it would get
you to be able to take care of your kids
and just kind of live.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
And it really depends on what part of the country
you're in. If you live here out west like we do,
you need three million?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, it has to go, yeah, because I don't think
the cost of living is so high.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
All right, more to come our number two of the
rod En Grade Show with you on this Tuesday right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine day
in arrest.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Being a criminal, it's a protected class. Now. The Democrats
are just outraged that Donald Trump or anyone would actually
do something to address law lessness or to restore or
to bring public safety to the people in Washington, d C.
So because it's so rude to criminals. I mean, why
would they ever do this to a criminal that criminals
should be allowed to you know, rob you know, Maame

(26:14):
kill if they want, who are we to say.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know, and they're going to create I mean, good
old Maxine Waters. If we love the California Democratic congresswoman. Well,
she's now out proclaiming today that what Donald Trump did
yesterday and announcing a crackdown on crime and supporting safety
in the nation's capital, that it is going to lead
to civil war.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Please, yeah, why am I?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'm not to civil war. And we shared with you
earlier if you didn't hear the audio sound bite where
CNN's Harry Enton said, a large majority of people in Washington.

Speaker 10 (26:49):
D C.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Do not like what Donald Trump is doing. But there's
a caveat. Of the more than three thousand counties in
this country, the lowest percentage, which came from Washington, DC,
of people who voted for Donald Trump, he got six
point five percent of the vote. You get this sense
they don't like him.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, to the point where they'd rather be rob Yeah,
they're car stolen. Yeah, they can't go into a CBS,
you can't go to a into a drug store and
get anything that they don't have to go with the
backing yet free because everything is being stolen there. You know,
my son's an intern. At the same time my son
is there is shot and killed. His mother's been on
television asking, you know, just for the sake of everybody

(27:32):
in that area that that type of thing not happened
to anyone else else's family, and yet the Democrats somehow
find all that an offense To actually address.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
That, well, apparently the Democratic narrative about what the president
is doing hit kind of a snag. Apparently. Listen to
Morning Joe on MSNBC Today with a big admission about
what is going on in Washington.

Speaker 11 (27:54):
I will just go back to the fact that, you know,
the people that are cheering this on privately are not
like right wing Republicans, are not maga people. A lot
of our friends are in the media, and also Democrats
that worked on Joe Biden's campaign, that worked on other
campaigns that are saying, yeah, I'd like to feel safe
walking around this city.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
If the federal government.

Speaker 11 (28:19):
Can be a positive partner in keeping the streets safe
while again forming a partnership with the DC police and
not taking over, then I at least the people I've
spoken with that live in DC day in day out
see this as a positive step.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Now, how often are you hearing that coming from Democrats
right now? But there's Morning Joe saying, you know, publicly,
they're all condemning Trump privately they're saying to themselves.

Speaker 12 (28:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
On yesterday's program, we do this. We played a number
of times twice on the show n ABC reporters who
who confessed to the nation and to every one, that
she herself had been jumped, yes, going into the into
the news bureau, and that her friends and others have
been victims of violent crimes. In just that same day,
one of her friends had been had their cart. Yeah,

(29:12):
by the way, do you still.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Have a job today? I wonder for telling about what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
But now you got mourning Joe, you got Joe Scarborough
joining her saying, yeah, it's kind of what people are saying,
at least whispering to each other, that we need something
done here. They just can't bring themselves to be support
of Trump. But I just saw I just saw on
x this that the that the DC police they would
give you tiles and these, uh, these trackers, these air tags,

(29:39):
so that when your car is stolen, not if, but
when it is stolen, you have a way to find it.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
So it's so bad that your statistical certainty that you're
going to get your call car stolen, here's we're going
to provide you free air tags. So that you can
find it after it's been.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Taking Well, what was that story? And I don't know
if this is still going on. Greg and San Francisco
where people would go to the that city, they'd rent
a car or they had their own car. They would
park it downtown, okay, in San Francisco, but they'd leave
the windows open and they'd take anything valuable out of
their car and put a sign on the car don't
steal this. You can steal it, but there's nothing of

(30:15):
value in here, so please just leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Smashed out.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, I had I had someone who many of you
may know, who told me, Yeah, he went to DC,
put all his windows down, put a sign in the car,
took anything of value out of the car, and basically said, hey,
please don't steal this because there's nothing in here worth stealing.
I mean, that is it is just nuts out there. Now.
It's funny how occasionally some truth will seep out of

(30:41):
the medium. Joe Scarborough an example on MSNBC on Friday's
edition on PBS Listen to Do, two journalists, one being
Jonathan Carle from ABC, talking about Donald Trump and what
they're starting to see.

Speaker 13 (30:56):
So, I mean, he's got big plans, and to me
it says something about the different the first presidency and
the second Trump presidency. First president Trump presidency kind of
came and went. It's rather ephemeral in its effects on
the country despite what we all saw at the time.
This one he's making more radical changes to the country
and to the White House that will live well beyond

(31:17):
his presence.

Speaker 14 (31:18):
And I think part of it is because he now
knows how government works. I think one of the things
that really is the key difference between the first time
and the second term is that he had a whole
host of characters in the government that we're trying to
styny his efforts to radically change the country. He's now
surrounded by people that are fully supportive of his agenda
and helping him do it.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, he's figured it out and he's doing what he
think needs to be done.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, there was a laundry list of things that he
actually accomplished even under that kind of duress in his
first term. But now that you have a cabinet and
you have a staff, and you have as Susie Wiles
as the chiefest staff who really are embracing and getting
his priorities realized and by the way, they're not crazy
like they tried to tell us in the first term.
Remember all the talk about the twenty fifth Amendment. Is

(32:05):
anybody talking about he is too crazy to be president
anymore now that he is. No, it's just, you know,
the people that were trying to stop him were trying
to push that kind of narrative and it was getting
some traction. I don't think anyone's going to tell you
that with the hours this man keeps, with the work
he does, with the availability he makes for the media,
for it to be as transparent as he is. He's

(32:26):
up in Alaska today meeting with Putin. Okay, that guy,
he's on his way. He does not stop. I don't
know who could ever argue that this guy's a little
hobbled or that he's not all there, especially after the
last four years of lunacy we just lived through with Biden.
So I think that this second term, and it's a
shame it's only four years Trump twenty twenty eight. That's

(32:47):
what I say.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That makes the liberals crazy when you say that, it
sure you know, we were hoping to get Kurt Schlickter
on the show today, but he's he's hosted, filling him
for Hugh hewittt on his show today. So priority over
what we try and do like more. Last week Steve
Moore was in the White House. Couldn't come on the
show our time? Oh dare he? That's our time? But

(33:09):
he wrote this article is the power of just doing things?
Isn't it amazing that Donald Trump? I don't know what
it is or what I'm seeing differently this time, Greg,
not only with Donald well really with Donald Trump compared
to other presidents. But he looks at things and he says,
let's just get this done. I mean, you could. The
list is long, and he's not sitting on his haunches.

(33:31):
I mean, do you think Joe Biden in the White
House would be doing anything about the violence in Washington,
DC right now? Not a chance, not a chance. Border
The power of getting just getting things done is what
I think impresses me right now about Donald Trump. He's
looking at everything. I mean, was he He's He's solved

(33:52):
like I think seven conflicts already. He's got a big one.
He's trying to solve Russia and Ukraine. That's not going
to be easy. You've got the you've got unemployment, you've
got the border, you've got the economy. You've got now Washington, DC.
He is not sitting on his haunches. He is saying,
let's get this done. Let's get this to He has
got so many irons in the fire. Greg, I can't

(34:13):
believe this guy is still going.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I'll give you. I'll give you a quick example. Aer
Baijan and Armenia. Yeah, did anybody know that this was
a generate, multi generational conflict of people at war with
one another, people dying. Azerbaijan and Armenia over the weekend,
he just signs the piece deal. You got these two
leaders of these two countries shaking hands. This is there.

(34:35):
There are conflicts in this world that are generations long
that most of us don't know anything about, and those
that did ignore He is not ignoring them. He is
bringing these How about Pakistan and India. We all know
that one they have nuclear capability, that's a scary one.
They have an agreement, peace agreement. He is bringing together
whether we've never heard of it before, and he's bringing
them in the White House and getting him to work

(34:56):
it out. He's doing it with other countries that we've
seen his historically he's going to, you know, to Alaska today.
I'm telling you that he really is. He has a
bias towards action, and he's going to work towards these things, yes,
until he gets it done. And he doesn't really understand no,
there's no no in his dictionary. It's just another way
to get it done. That's all he understands. And I

(35:18):
think we're watching that. And I do think that, as
much as PBS and others hate to admit it, we
are probably watching or living in a presidency that will
have that will remember and will be remembered for a
long time after he's not president.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Can you see him sitting down with Putin on Friday
up in Alaska, looking at him, saying, just get it done,
Let's end this. You know, he brings up any he
brings a human factor in this. What do you say
the other day? I think it was during the news conference, Yes, today,
the number of Russians and Ukrainians who are being killed
each and every days, animal senseless war. And he says,

(35:52):
why are we doing this? Nobody's ever asked that question.
Why are we doing this? We shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
He said. Finally, he said, and he says, someone asked
about what he thought his prospects, where he says, I'll
either tour, I'll know within the first two minutes or
five minutes walk.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But I'll know then, I'll know within two or five
minutes what we're going to get done. Yeah, And I
think he's exactly right. He'll know that quickly.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
And a reporter goes, how do you know that?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
And he goes, because I'm on the agociator, It's what
I do.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's what I do. All right, We've got a lot
more to do. We invite you to join us on
the show today if you want to be a part
of it. Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero on your cell phone to al pound two fifty
or on our talk back line you can leave a
comment as well. More coming up on the Rotten Greg
Show lines are alpen. We can talk about life in
American cities right now. The President, of course, a lot

(36:40):
of people what the Washington Post what reporting tonight that
the National Guard will be deployed in the nation's capitol
and it starts tonight, Is that right, Greg?

Speaker 1 (36:47):
That's right, So just announced National Guard will deploy this evening.
White House has said, and they'll start going around and
so it employees tonight and they're going to start working
with the the DC Metro Police. So that's look, I
think that they can the leftists and the elitists and

(37:07):
even those never try, you know, the Trump derangement syndrome. People,
they can cry and scream about this as much as
they want, if there is a way to you know,
enforce the law, to address the lawlessness and bring public
safety to that area. When you get to the other
s side of this, if you can do that, all
these critics are going to are going to be quiet.
They're going to be ashamed because they're not going to

(37:29):
be able to defend them. Can we go back to
the times where people were dying. Can we go back
to interns that come for the summer not making it
back home because they've been killed. Can we go back
to you know, then they're just they're not going to
be able to do it. So, you know, this has
happened to Trump a number of times where when he
begins something at the front end of it, tariffs, you know,
or whatever it may be. You know, people could not
be more critical. But as he has seen success, you're

(37:52):
seeing these people have to, you know, either deny they
ever said it and say, oh no, we ever, we
never thought.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
That, or they twisted in a way they twist.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
So this is one where the public safety, I think
is something that I know personally that Salt Lake City
when we did the multi jurisdictional law enforcement effort, and
we did it, we had a prolonged presence. We did
interrupt those cartels in a significant way and you saw,
you saw the lawlessness to crime go down.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
That's the concern I have is I don't think there
is a thirty days solution to this. The president has
thirty days to do something here, but I think, Greg,
you need a prolonged presence in that city for quite
some time now. Maybe he can go back to car
I guess he can renew this every thirty days, and
he may have to do that because you are not
going to clean up the streets of Washington, DC in

(38:39):
thirty days.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
You know what you find though in these thirty days,
they're going to learn. So right away the union head
of the Salt Lake or Salt Lake the DC POL,
we're supportive of President Trump in this and said, look,
our officers have wanted to do this for a long time,
they've never been able to because of the state city leadership.
When they get in there, when when Trump is a
very inquisitive guy, He's going to want to know what's working,
what's not, what are the bear He's going to understand

(39:02):
that what's going on on the ground there so much
more in the next thirty days, and that will inform
where he goes from there. And what you find is
today you had the chief of police that expressed a
desire to work with President Trump. The mayor did as well.
I think you'll find at the end of the thirty
days a plan that can be sustainable. And I think
it's going to come two ways. One, they're going to

(39:23):
find out who the bad players are, uh, and they
are there are bad players there. And then you're going
to find those that need resources. You could see I
could envision a President Trump going to Congress and saying,
let's let's let's put more money in appropriate more money
for more members of law enforcement here in DC because
of what they experienced. But he needs to see it
to believe it. I just think there is He's this

(39:44):
isn't a thirty day, one shot deal.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Are you ready for more wackiness twenty twenty five. I
don't know what's wackedness. He's just breaking tonight. Now. I
know a lot of you out there, as you're you're
heading home tonight, have seen the video of what happened
in Cincinnati. What was it two three weeks ago?

Speaker 15 (39:59):
Now?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, where a man and woman were or just beaten.
The poor woman's now been on television, her face, the
story she tells calling people out, well, guess what happened today?
And good Old isn't called the queen city. I think
Cincinnati is. I think it is. But you had black
community leaders in Cincinnati who are now calling on the

(40:21):
city to charge the white victim of that downtown beating.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
And how how could they construe anything wrong with the
man that was beat within an inch of his life?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
They are claiming that he incided six felonies.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Oh, so he deserved.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
It, So he deserved to have the tar beaten out
of him.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I'm telling you, if if that was ever taken seriously,
if that could ever get any is the fact that
it's even being made as a point. If I'm white
and I'm in and I'm in Cincinnati, I don't know
that that's a climate that I'm entirely safe. Yeah, okay,
because the idea that that the people that we saw
in that video are somehow criminals for being beat up
because they asked for it. Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Just you know, I want to ask our listeners today,
and we get a news break, but we'll come back
with your thoughts. Is there a city in America today
that you you just don't want to go to anymore
because of everything you heard? Mine is San Francisco, That's
my I love San Francisco. I have no desire to
go there anymore, knowing the conditions of that city.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yep, I had there had been a time where I
was the same where that's the city I frequented quite
a bit for business, But ah, I wouldn't go near
it now.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifteen and you'll leave.
It's a talkback commet as well. Is there a city
in America you just have no desire to go to anymore?
Your calls and comments coming up on the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
We're asking you the listeners, is there a city? Is
there a city you just don't want to go to?
You've seen enough, You've heard enough. You used to like it.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I actually have two. I was thinking about that. You
have two, Yes, I have two. I mentioned San Francisco. Yes, right, Seattle.
We lived in Seattle for nearly four years. That is
a beautiful city used to be, but any more. Motley
cus not interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I've been to Seattle. I liked going to San Francisco more,
but I wouldn't want to go to that city either.
Let's hear from our listeners. Let's go to Eric, who's
been patiently waiting in Salt Lake City. Eric, welcome to
the Rod and Greg show what city's weighing on your mind.
It is like a spent fuel rod. You're not getting
near it.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Guys, all of them.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I would I would bet you dinner at my restaurant
that if you did a poll among the listeners, you
would find that the vast majority would rather go live
on a farm or in a cabin in the mountains
than ever go to any of these liberal kamie cities.
They've all been taken over and we hate all Like

(42:43):
name one that you specifically want to actually go to,
Like there's stuff you'll go to the city for, Like
I'll go into the city to see a jazz game, right,
but like, do you even want to go to Salt Lake?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah? Yeah, why would you? By the way, By the way, Eric,
I think I know who this Eric is. I think
he's the owner of the Huckleberry Grill? Is that right? Eric?

Speaker 6 (43:11):
Friend?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
That why my stomach growled when I heard he.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Is one good reason to come to salt Lake.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
The Huckleberry Grill. By the way, he has a a
a a pork tenderloin with huckleberry glaze on it that
is absolutely delicious.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
You should see his eyes when he says this wint
He's like he's just fantasizing about this food of you.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And he also does funeral potatoes.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Have you guys tried the new lemon chellow cream salmon?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Here we go, gotta try it.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Eric, Thank you for amazing. I think he's right.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I think he's right. I'm at what city would you
want to go to? But let's keep going. Let's see.
Let's go to Roger in Ogden. Roger, welcome to the
right and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (43:54):
Hey, thanks for taking my call. I've lived in San
Francisco and Los Angeles, Chicago, and I have to put
all those cities on the list, but I also have
to add Salt Lake I just deploy going into Salt
Lake City. The filth, the homelessness, the crime, and the bureaucracy.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yep, interesting, Roger, You're absolutely right. I will tell you
that I saw I see more homelessness in Salt Lake
City than I saw when I was in Washington, d C.
It's you know, it's this city is it's under a salt.
It is really bad, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And Roger mentioned Chicago. The company I used to work for,
they had, you know, branches in Chicago. Greg and people
who you talk to from Chicago, now this was several
years ago, always bragged about how great Chicago was because
of the ethnic diversity in that city and the fact
that they had all kinds of festivals throughout the summer.

(44:52):
I wonder if it's still like that today, because I'd
run into people and they say, you got to come
to Chicago in the summer and enjoy many of our
great fetes there taking a Cubby's game. I wonder if
it's still like that in Chicago today.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
I don't know, but you know what, you know, another
rats nest of a city is Las Vegas. I mean
the number of people again going back to homelessness, people
that are just defecating in front of you inside the garages,
the parking garages, or when you're trying to walk over
those those people, you know, the walks that are over
the strip. It is carnage and they charge you more

(45:27):
than they ever have in the history of that town.
That town. They keep saying, well, this is an indicator
of the of a recession coming. No, it's not. It's
an indicator that you guys went and took the golden
goose and strangled it to death. You mean, nobody wants
to go there anymore. It's gross. If you go there,
it's going to be for a football game or a
sporting event, but that's it being run out of there.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yes, you can't, all right, more coming up and your calls.
Is there a city in America that, because of everything
you've heard about, the crime, the drugs, you name it,
you have no desire to go there anymore? Eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone dial pounds two fifty and say hey, Rod,
more of your calls and comments coming up. You've heard
about everything going on, crime, the cost of just going there,

(46:08):
Is there a city in America that you just have
no desire to visit anymore? Greg and I were talking
about San Francisco was once a great, great city, beautiful city. Yep,
you have no desire. I don't have a desire to
go there anymore. I mentioned Seattle. My wife and I
lived there for four years. We love that city. Have
no interest in going back, no interest.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
You know. And so there's a Mark Hopkins Hotel in
San Francisco. I don't know if it's even Matt Brand
anymore of that property, but they had the top of
the Mark. It was a restaurant at the very top,
and there's great stories we'd go there, and great stories
of the soldiers and men that fought in the Navy
that would go there for the meal before they would
head on out. They either came in for sure for

(46:48):
leave and they were heading back out or going out
for the first time in that restaurant had a lot,
a lot of history to it. And it was again,
as you say, there was a Saint It was a
Grace Cathedral across the street from the Mark Hopkins and
that hotel. And I'm just telling you that town, that
town just had so much history and great restaurants and
just a just a great, great vibe to it. I
wouldn't go there. Now you have to put a gun

(47:10):
in my head. Still wouldn't go. I still wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Well, I had thought I'd heard one time that Fisherman's Wharf,
which is a huge traction there, doesn't get nearly half
the people. Is that what it is? Because i'd heard things.
And then you'd go across the bay to Scelito and
have lunch there and look back on the city that
you know that's in trouble.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Now. Yeah, so I've seen a picture of I mean,
I'd been to a Fisherman's wharf as a kid. I
had an uncle that lived in Santa Claa in that area,
and San Francisco went and high school went visited him,
and Fisherman's warf was such a big deal. So it
was cool to get these with those sea lions out
the the bark and all that. Now it's just they're
boarded up buildings. I mean, I just cannot believe. I mean,

(47:53):
do we even eat rice erroni anymore? Do we even eat?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Do they even?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Do they even put the San Francisco treat on a
box of rice? Here that it will nobody would want
to eat it. I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's sad. And this article today
that we came across as well, someone raise a question,
does anyone serious believe, seriously, seriously believe that Washington, DC
is safe?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, there's no way.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
There's no way. Look at the precautions your son had
to take, who in turned there and was quite to old,
be careful.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, and just to commit just to engage in commerce
where you just want to buy some Dealdor and just
in what you had to go through to get it
from the back because they can't leave it out on
the shelves because everything's getting stolen. Security people at the
door they have to put us put a band on
your backpack so it doesn't open while you're in the store,
then check it and search it when you leave. That

(48:46):
is just a normal trip. And they're okay with that.
The people that live there are okay with that. Yeah,
I'm telling you it's so bad there that in nineteen
ninety two I showed you this in a commercial break.
You had a much younger Joe Biden on the Senate
floor saying in nineteen ninety two, that his staffers said
to when it's late, if you're leaving DC at night
and it's late, do not stop with the red light

(49:08):
because you don't want to get carjacks.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Coast into one coast into a red light, and so
wait for it.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
To go greed before you can go through it again. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, because what they'd be looking around, fearful that a
bunch of kids, a bunch of guides would be hanging
around ready to hijack your car if you gave him
the opportunity by stopping nineteen ninety two, you couldn't go
by the way.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, if you couldn't stop in nineteen ninety two and
late at night in d C for fear that you
get carjacked. What's what has improved? What has happened there?
Show me something that has made it better. It's not.
It's worse. A population has grown too since ninety two.
It's not gotten better at all.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
In the Washington Examiner today Byron York, who writes some
terrific articles and always has columns on this, he brought
up why Trump is right on DC crime. He mentions
these numbers. Many of you may have heard these numbers,
but list of this in twenty twenty three, what two
years ago a bad year for crime in the district.
There were forty murders per one hundred thousand residents. Okay,

(50:07):
in twenty twenty four the number fell to twenty seven
per one hundred thousand. So is that good? It is
certainly positive thing to have fewer murders, but twenty seven
per one hundred thousand is still quite a lot of murders. Yeah,
and why people would be even satisfied with, Well, we've
dropped from forty to twenty seven. Crime is going down,

(50:29):
but you're there were still twenty seven murders.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And let me tell you something. I will take a
murder stat and I will actually think that it's accurate
to some degree, because I don't know how you hide
a murder. In other words, you don't you can't. You
have to report it. I think also stolen cars you
report because people have insurance and they want to get
they want their car, they want a car back, so
they have to have insurance. So I believe that car
theft stats will be more accurate, and homicide stats are

(50:54):
accurate the rest If they don't report it, it doesn't
mean it didn't happen. I'm going to tell you, I
think so many, any of these crime stats that are
supposedly going down are nothing more than crimes being committed
where there are no arrests and no charges, or the
charges are being lowered to a nonviolent crime to try
and hide what's really happening there. It's and it's not

(51:14):
just in DC, it's the major metropolitan cities are all
doing this where they're just patting those numbers. And we
saw it in Salt Lake. When even I was on
the clock, you could not tell me. They were telling me, oh,
you know, crimes down. No, you're just not arresting charging
anyone that doesn't make it down.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Words are down, all right, our number three rotting brakes
coming your way, stay with us.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I don't know what you think the temperature was, but
I came in here particularly hot. It was. It was
really hot.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Up there, and I came in this morning. This place
was like a meat locker.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Was it cool?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It was cool? It was cold?

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, No, I today seemed hot. I don't know what
the temperature was and I haven't looked at it. Yeah
it was, yeah, I was. If it's getting hotter. I
think you're right. I think that those are short lived
in towards the end.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
See and we don't control the temperature in the studio,
guys kodj do. I don't know why they get control.
Freeze us out for freeze us out. Interesting editorial apiece
today in the UH in the Wall Street Journal UH
talking about Wyoming, now Utah and I think there's one

(52:24):
other state, Ohio. Would the articles say Utah and Ohio
are now appealing UH court rulings which stopped our school
vout your program. What is a Utah.

Speaker 8 (52:39):
Stop?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
It's not stopped, but they've got Wyoming is going through
the same thing. And the editorial in the Journal today
basically said, here we go. The unions are doing everything
they can to stop school choice in America. Yeah, and
more and more states are wanting to adopt.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Well, you want to know why, because if parents have choices,
then the performing and the equality of education delivered starts
to matter, doesn't because you have options. It's like I'm
telling you there's a movement up front. I think that
what's going on is that as the politics shift, and
they really are shifting, I think the Republican Party is
a bigger ten. I think everyday Americans, common people of

(53:16):
common sense are really gravitating to the Republican Party, mainly,
i'd say because of Trump. But there is a shift
happening and the Democrats aren't trying to win back the
everyday people. They keep alienating them, like being opposed to safety.
But what that means is that these union members are
starting to look around going, wait a minute, all my
dues go to Democrats, and I don't actually vote for

(53:37):
all these people. The first the first time that your
paycheck isn't that your dues aren't deducted from your paycheck
and you have to proactively pay your dues to a
union will be when that union starts to pay attention
to what union members who they want supported with their
union dues. You'll see the union, you'd see the rank
and file workers priorities much much higher in the union

(53:58):
boss's mind if they had to get their union dues
from the member not deducted from their paycheck.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Well, Steve Moore's committee John Leish Prosperity Today, Greg had
this headline, only one in twenty union members voted for
their union. But they're still a member of the union,
but they don't vote for their union. Yeah, that was
one doesn't that say.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Something an autopilot and and they get and that's where
that's where the hubrist comes in and the arrogance and
the where it's so lopsided.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
We although I did see a headline that the teamsters,
the guy that spoke at the National Convention, the Republican.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
National we saw them there.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
They're starting to get behind some Republicans now they are
and uh, changing, I do think they are changing.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Changing for the well, let's go to let's go to
higher education. Now, the president of course has really gone
after higher education in this country today. And our next
guest is going to talk about this effort on the
part of the Trump administration to do something about universities.
As a matter of fact, he writes that university there's
universities are about to get the best disinfectant which you need,

(55:00):
which they need. David Devil is the an instructor the
University of Saint Thomas there in Houston, also a senior
contributor to The Imaginative Conservative. David, Welcome to the show.
Always great to have you on. What disinfectant are you
talking about? David? Well.

Speaker 15 (55:17):
In twenty twenty three, the Supreme Court ruled and of
course called Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard that universities
could no longer start to discriminate against people by race,
which many of the universities have, and since that decision,
most of the universities have shrugged it off until now.

(55:39):
Last Thursday, President Trump signed a memorandum about ensuring Transparency
in University admissions that instructed the Secretary of Education Linda
McMahon to start collecting more data from universities and data
that's broken down by race and sex to figure out
whether the universities are really discres eminating or whether they've

(56:01):
quit as they've kind of said they are and kind
of said they're not.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Well, there's good reason to be suspicious or at least
skeptical because in a lot of cases we've seen just
titles have changed the office. The scope of work has
stays the same, but they gave it a different title
to take it away from DEI or whatever the you know,
whatever they were doing that they were not supposed to.
So my question is, are we the data that they

(56:28):
give us any different than the name of change of
the department. I mean, how do we get Is there
a third party way we could get information from these
institutions of higher learning.

Speaker 15 (56:39):
Well, you know, I mean, I suppose you could hire investigators.
And of course, part of the reason why I think
the Trump administration decided to move is that you have
other third party investigators looking into schools and figuring out
that they really aren't doing any different. In my article,
I cited a piece at City Journal by Ian Kingsbury

(56:59):
in which she looked at medical schools in the country
and he used Freedom of Information Act FOYA requests and
then also looking at other ways of investigating other schools
and found that they're still discriminating in the same way,
making it you know, ten times harder for white or
Asian people to get a position as it is for others. So,

(57:22):
you know, you could do all this investigation. But the
good thing about the Trump memorandum is that it instructs
the Secretary to not only collect the data, but also
to make it clear that there will be penalties for
universities that refuse to give it or are fudging on it.
Secretary of McMahon responded with a letter that same day

(57:42):
instructing the National Center for Education Statistics, which keeps all
these to start start catching all this and cleaning things up.
So I'm hopeful that this will work this time because
it's going to expose these universities and colleges to penalties
with regard to federal money, but also in making all

(58:03):
this information public, they'll be accountable to the public as well.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Dave, have we seen any of the data yet so far?
And if we've seen any, is it saying anything? Is
it telling us something that we didn't already know?

Speaker 15 (58:17):
Well, I mean no. This National Center for Education Statistics
has a system called iPads, the Institution of post Secondary
Education Data System, and it collects some data, but it
doesn't break things down, so there's no way to know officially.

(58:37):
The only way we know is by these studies that
have been done by independent journalists or, as in the
case of Columbia and New York University, hackers who've hacked
into the admissions data and have shown that they are
indeed discriminating the same way. So we don't know yet,
and it's going to take a little bit, you know,

(58:57):
for the Secretary of Education to get these people moving,
I'm sure, but I'm hoping that in the next six
months or so we're going to start seeing some collection
of data and some responsibility being shown.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
You know, one of the points data points that I'm
really interested in seeing, particularly state institutions of higher learning,
is that you have a schedule for tuition for a
resident of a state versus a non resident. What I've seen,
at least as reported, is that much many of those
non resident tuition students are students with visas, they're from overseas.

(59:31):
They're not even giving opportunities for you know, people from
our own country to go to those institutions of higher learning.
Do you suspect that the non resident tuition being a
high dollar amount, is it disproportionately going to students from
outside the United States.

Speaker 15 (59:49):
I think in many states that's probably the case. I know,
the University of California system has had that accusation made
against them. You know, the Texas system where I live,
they made it a rule that he basically anybody who graduates,
I think in the top ten percent of his or
her high school class, we'll be able to get into
the state system. But other states have not done that.

(01:00:12):
Instead have focused very highly on getting these foreign nationals
to come in because they can make them pay an
arm and a leg for it. But the problem is
those state systems were set up for the people in
the state in order to benefit the people of the state.
So you know, just simply saying well, we need the
money doesn't seem to be a good reason. So I'm

(01:00:33):
hoping that we'll be able to find out more about that.
It's not clear to me from the system, from the
direction that we'll get that data directly, but I think
there's probably going to be ways to find that out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
A lot going on on our colleges in the university
is David Devil instructor at the University of Saint Thomas.
They're in Houston. More coming up on the Roden Grigg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
In the summer is just rolling open next week for
a lot of kids.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah, it's you know, I I love summer. I actually
like the heat. I liked the summertime. I like the late.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Nights so warm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Late fall fall is you know, football season starting and
baseball playoffs, and there's there's some good things about the fall.
Hockey starts in October, but I still love the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, yeah, you want to hear something just stupid. My
wife and I woke up both I don't know what
got us about two thirty this morning? Right, perceed meteor shower. Well,
it's the meter shower, right, it's a pretty cool thing.
So we got up, went outside in our pjs, sat
on the deck looking for meteors, and then I realized

(01:01:40):
it wasn't last night, is tonight? Oops?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Well I've learned two things. One I had I had
not heard about this media shower.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
One of the biggest meteor showers ever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Two you're weird. You both woke up at two thirty
and more the same aim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
She goes, let's go out and see the meteor show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Oh please, unless there's like a ball coming into Earth
and I need to see it to survive. I'm not
getting out of bed to see that. I don't care.
It's a shooting star, but lots of them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Well tonight, hopefully there'll be a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
That we may please. You are easily entertained. That's what
I've come to determinent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
It's nature, it's the Earth, it's space is coming man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
When Haley's comment came, we drove forever. We're looking up
in the air. I couldn't see the thing. Everyone's like, oh,
look at Hailey's best that I could look, I could
not spot it. Do I hear that? I'm not gonna
be alive when it comes by again? And I could
not find the thing? I realize this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
You get excited about like a solar eclipse or lunar eclipse.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
You don't care, No, I don't. If you look at
you're going to burn your retinas out. You get those
funny glasses. Yeah, I know, and I'm not getting those glasses.
I don't even go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Look at the glasses you have now talking about funny glasses. True,
All right, let's talk about let's talk about the economy.
You know, Trump proved a wrong again. Everybody's saying all
economy is going to inflation is going to go up.
I guess what I guess tame today? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Breaking news? Well was this morning okay, but by the way,
stock market just went crazy today. They took the news
as very good news. Uh CBS said that this is
their quote from their headline, breaking inflation in July rose
two point seven on an annual basis, which is slightly
less than economists had forecasted. Let me just ask you
a question, when do these economists ever get it right?

(01:03:30):
It's always slightly less or slightly more than whatever is
the good news. If it was going to be good news,
it's it's always well. Economists thought otherwise. They thought it
was going to be terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
You know what. You know what it's so funny about
this is CNN having to report the good numbers. I mean,
listen to how they handled this this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:03:48):
When you look at the key categories that we always
look at, energy, food, and shelter. Energy fell by one
point one percent, that was largely driven because of gas
prices fall in the month of July by two point
two percent. Look at that food, I mean, this is
where people spend their money, right, food every single day.

(01:04:08):
Food flat zero percent and actually down at the grocery
store by zero point one percent. And then shelter we
always usually see an increase because that is what people
are paying on rent, and we know that rents are rising.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
When you look at it, I mean, they just everything
is flat or down and they couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
No, they and I love that CNN has to report that.
At least they you know, they they might hate it.
It pains them if you watch them do it, but
they at least they're doing it. They're not. I mean,
they're not completely lying, But at the same time, you
know you had you had a big new small business.
There's an nfib.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
ACT Federation for Independent in Defend Business.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
They put out a survey they are seeing small business
optimism rising right now, and it's it's as high as
it's it's been in a long time. It says sentiment
among us among US small businesses climbed to a five
month high in July because firms became more upbeat about
the economic outlook following the passage of Trump's One Big,

(01:05:06):
Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
But I get a sense prices are a little bit higher,
don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
So I think this is a regional thing. I really
think Utah is not seeing the gas price And every
time I hear that July gas prices were at a
record low, not our July gas prices, or at least
I'm looking at the national averages. I actually geek out
and look at every state. Colorado's less than US, Wyoming's
less than US, New Mexico's less than US, Arizona's less

(01:05:29):
than US. Now Nevada's higher than US, and Idaho's higher
than USES. So you got two states there that are higher.
But the rest of those.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Around us, what are we right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
We're on Yeah, it's right now, three thirty five for
regular unleaded. When there are states there are at least
eighteen states are in the two dollars range. We're at
three thirty five a gallon for regular unleaded.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
All right, Morty, come on the Roden greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, an l
r s. A month doesn't go by where they're like
eight or nine designations of a certain month, right, yes,
all kinds, but this one I kind of I like
this one. It's about a man in Kansas who decided
it's time for a traditional family month and he worked

(01:06:11):
as hard as could be to get his community, not
a very large community in Kansas, to declare August Traditional
Family Month.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Yeah, it is, it's about time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yes, it's about time. Well, his name is doctor je Spears.
He's the host of Finding Your Spine podcast and he
took a lot of had to find his spine to
do this. Doctor Spears, thank you very much for joining
us tonight. Let's talk about Traditional Family Month and why
you decided to do this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
That's a great question, and first off, thanks so much
for having me on. And I think the root of
the issue goes back to we know what right looks like.
We know that the traditional family, it's the model. It's
the model that has perpetuated civilization since the dawn of time.
It is the model that has perpetuated us. I mean,
we are here because we had traditional families, our ancestors

(01:07:02):
had traditional families. There is a basic social and biological
process that perpetuates stable civilizations. And so it wasn't even
something we had.

Speaker 15 (01:07:11):
To think about.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Everyone knew this, everyone valued it until recently when the
world absolutely lost its mind. And so I decided that
it's time to actually start pushing back and say to governments,
you know, if you want to continue down this tragic
road of honoring these alternative lifestyles and giving credence to that,

(01:07:33):
then it's time that we step back and say, oh,
let's take let's go what the truth is. Let's call
government to its actual purpose, which is to perpetuate truth.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
You know a lot of what government has done in
the past, whether it's its tax structure, it's incentivized families
and marriage, it's you know, your your home, you can
deduct the interest on your mortgage you can. There's just
a lot of benefits in a lot of different ways
of home ownership, but also families. I don't know if
that still the case, and I don't know that we
see the tax structure anything incentivizing marriage or families. Should

(01:08:08):
should we should that be something that we're emphasizing more
today than we've done in the past.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
We absolutely should be perpetrating policies that encourage the traditional family,
that that make it easier for people to engage in marriage,
to make it easier for married couples to have homes,
to make it less expensive for them to have children.
The basic purpose of government is to reward virtue and
punish evil at its most foundational thing and governments. A

(01:08:36):
lot of people say, well, we want the government out
of these moral issues, to which I say, the government
is involved in moral issues every day. If I exceed
the speed limit by fifty miles an hour, I guarantee
you the government is going to make a moral decision.
That is what law is about. Law enforces morality the government.
They say, keep the government out of our bedroom. But like,

(01:08:58):
my bedroom is coded right to where they I have
to have so many windows and the electrical outlets have
to be spaced this far apart. And so the government
is deeply involved in these things anyways. And so I'm
not a policy experts in terms of tax policy where
we're at right now, but I do know that we've
seen governmental leaders in the last few years start to

(01:09:18):
decrease the emphasis on local family and traditional family, and
they've started to elevate alternative means of lifestyle that are tragic,
that do not perpetuate towards morally right ends. And that's
what got me to actually get involved with our county
to get this proclamation of traditional family months past, because
I saw, even just up the road in Little Leavenworth County, Kansas,

(01:09:41):
a small city of roughly thirty six thousand people, we
have a rogue mare up there who unilaterally decided she
was going to proclaim a pride month. And that does nothing,
nothing at all to aid in helping our city to exist, period.
I mean, it's just it is taking a moral side,
and so if activists want to try to take a

(01:10:04):
wrong moral side, then it's time for conservatives, traditionalists, those
of us who know what right looks like, to answer
that call and to call government back to morality.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Doctor spears. Where are people coming from? I think they're
out from outer space, but they call traditional family, they
say it of vokes, exclusivity, oppression, Christian nationalism, and even
the KKK. Are these people from out of space outer space?

Speaker 6 (01:10:29):
You know you have to wonder they're certainly not thinking rightly.
I was absolutely floored from I heard a woman show
up to the County Commission to speak against this resolution
and compare it literally with the KKK. And how dark
of a mind do you have to have to say
that a proclamations thing that there is goodness and value

(01:10:50):
and a mother and a father in a stable home
is somehow oppressive. I'll tell you what. Our centers of
cultural power are absolutely captured and infected with this cancer
that says everything that you and I know to be
right is oppressive. When I was finishing my doctoral studies

(01:11:11):
at Kansas City University, and I had a great experience
that I'm not trying to people in the facilty or anything,
but almost everything that we read in the program came
out of this Marxist agenda where everything that we know
to be true to be right what ts Eliot referred
to as the permanent things, They say as oppressive. And
the reason is because activists, anarchists, revolutionaries, they want to

(01:11:35):
take away what is stable so they can replace it
with what is unstable. This is the exact same play
that the Bolsheviks made in Russia in nineteen seventeen. It's
the exact same play that the Malice made in China
in nineteen fifty three. It's the exact same play they
are trying to make in America. And we have to
take this seriously and we have to push back on it.
Ideas have consequences, and we have to beat this devil

(01:11:59):
back into its cage.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
You know, you said that some of this used to
be so obvious. We didn't have to talk about it,
We didn't have to really highlight it because it was intuitive,
and we lost that. Then we saw Pride Month. We
saw the Green Agenda, the climate agenda, we saw illegal immigration.
If you oppose that, you're a racist. But I will
tell you I feel like the pendulum swinging back with
the leadership of President Trump. Pride Month didn't have as
many corporate sponsors, the green agendas going the other way.

(01:12:23):
I think that people are realizing the futility of it,
and even illegal immigration once every state becomes a border state.
You're seeing people that appreciate the rule of law when
it comes to families. Can we see that pendulum come back?
Can we see this become an intuitive logical issue again,
that families are important? Or is this one that we're
still behind the curve on?

Speaker 15 (01:12:46):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
I share your optimism. I think we've seen a Really
we're seeing a lot of encouraging signs right now. The
pendulum is swinging.

Speaker 10 (01:12:54):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
That does not mean that we can rest on our laurels.
It does not mean we can take our foot off
the gas, because I promise you, for every inch that
we have pushed the other team back, they're re entrenching,
They're reinforcing, their resupplying, and I promise you they are
planning a counter offensive. And so we dare not say
our guy one in November American Eagle has a pretty
person in their genes. Again, we can just rest. No,

(01:13:18):
we can't rest. The revolutionaries never rest. But this, I
think what people are seeing is you can only say
something that is abnormal, that is disordered, is normal and
ordered for so long, and eventually, you know, this whole
wave of fake crashes onto the rocks of reality and

(01:13:38):
you see it pull apart. I mean it is so obvious.
Even children look at a man wearing a dress and
can tell that is a man. I drove past the
car the other day here in Kansas, Northeast Kansas. Uh.
The Actually I put this on X If anyone wants
to look at it, they can see it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
This car was just.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
Covered in every bumper sticker imaginable from the back with
every you know, sex sexual liberation message you can imagine.
And of course as we passed it, it was a
man driving the car with long hair, earrings and a
and a pink shirt, and yet it was still very
clearly a man. You're not fooling anyone, And so I

(01:14:18):
think people are seeing. You know, you can only say
something that's abnormal is normal so long before you have
to admit now, that's just a pig with lipstick on it.

Speaker 12 (01:14:27):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:14:27):
And I think we're seeing a lot of encouraging signs,
especially among young men in Generation Z who are like,
I'm not buying this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Crap, Doctor Chase Spears, joining us on our Newsmaker line,
Doctor Spears, thank you very much, talking about Traditional Family Month.
All right, final segment of the Rod and Greg Show
coming up right here on Utah's Talk radio one oh
five nine. Dan L.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
S h.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I think it was a couple of weeks ago, Greg,
you and I spoke with Mike Smith, the sheriff down
there in Utah County, about ICE and what they're doing,
you know, trying to attract you know, some of his
deputies to come to work for them with like a
fifty thousand dollars bonus and stuff like this. Apparently the
recruiting has gone very very well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
I'm excited about Are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
You ready for this? One hundred thousand Americans have applied
to help ICE to port illegal immigrants.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
One hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Wow, you know, I asked Sheriff Smith. I said, as
a member, you know, law enforcement professional, lifetime member of
law enforcement, wouldn't you rather have people sign up for
ICE or join ICE that had law enforcement experience or
would you rather them just recruit like the military does
people young, you know whatever, other people who've not had
any experience. And he said it should be like that.

(01:15:37):
He said, that's what they do for deputy sheriffs. They
recruit from a working you know, from a working class,
you know, recruiting people. So to the military, he thought
there was a strong enough appeal generally for ICE to
go there that they didn't have to cannibalize or go
after the rank of the workforce of other law enforcement jurisdictions.
And he's right. I think those numbers who just shared

(01:15:58):
prove it well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
ICE is lifted the age restrictions. I love it, so
you and I got well, I couldn't apply, but you could.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
I can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
I totally. Previous applicants were limited to a minimum age
of twenty one and could be no older than thirty
seven or forty, depending on the position. Well, as a
result of that, Dean Kane Superman, remember that last week,
announced that he is joining in a video that he
had joined the federal agency at age fifty nine. He

(01:16:26):
learned in pretty good shape for his fifty nine Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
But I know what I I I'm not fifty nine.
I'm younger than that. But if you can pass the
physical fitness test, you can join. And I might not
be able to do it after the show, but I
could get there. I get there quick. I could pass
the physical fitness.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
You think you could, absolutely I couldn't. I could, and
I don't mind saying I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
So you might get you may you may tell Ice
to back off. You might lose me to a law
enforcement job. You know what, you could don't look so
contemptuous when I say that wall.

Speaker 8 (01:17:02):
You know what, you'd be good and what you'd talk
them into jail? They say, I would just go back
to where I came. You just stop talking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, that would work. You would just talk.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I would just talk to them. They could put them
in a room, you know how abu grave. They said,
they'd play the loud rock music or whatever. Just put
me in a room with them. I'll just keep talking
to them, and then they will just scream. I will
go back. I'll never come back. Yeah, I'm it's a superpower.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
You're ready to do that, right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
A stunning forty six percent of gen Zers would pick
long term financial stability over.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Love, says those with no love and no financial stability,
they will pick one because they're poor and living in
their mom's basement. But I bet you they would change
that after if they got a little success in life,
they'd look for a little more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Well. Close to one in three say they'd even take
a former partner back if his or her ex got rich. Terrible,
that's terrible. You make money, darling, and I'll bring you back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yeah, that's it, you know, that's that's yeah, that's not right.
You know what does though? I think it shows the
primal nature of human beings. We think we're all so unique,
but we're not. There's just you know, women, just generally.
I'm thinking that's a woman saying that they want protection,
they want the they.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Want the nest, they want someone that they.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Want to protect their and then and so I do
think that there's guys that night and I have the
perfect cairline. But if they're doing well, they they exude
safety through whatever find you know, through it, whatever their
profession is, that they're well off, and that that translates
into security for a lot of women. I would think I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Found this interesting one In ten gen Z women say
their ideal mattch should be making two hundred thousand dollars
a year or more.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Yeah, why not just just just throw that number out
there and see what See what you get?

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
See where that see where that gets your right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
I don't know what the kids are saying anymore. I
don't get it between the gen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Z where you don't have three gen Z's and your family.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Man, My kids are all wicked smart. They're smart. They're
not like that. They don't reflect any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
That's true, all right, all right, that does for us tonight,
head off the shoulders back. May God bless you and
your family in this great country of ours. Wingman, Wednesday tomorrow,
we'll talk to you

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