The Rod and Greg Show: Suspect Arrested in Assassination of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As herculean effort was yes, was taken on to find
this assassin and they and they did announce this morning
and arrest and the evidence is described in the press conference.
Rod sounds pretty.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, pretty rock. So I don't know, pretty rock solid.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I don't know that we're guessing here. I think it's
pretty it's a pretty certain thing.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, we've got an unbelievable show lined up for you
again today. Mike Smith, who's the county sheriff down there
in Utah County, he'll be joining us talking about the
effort that was put together to truck down this killer.
We'll have details on that. Congressman Burgess Owens will also
be joining us. Derek Brown, the Attorney General for the
state of Utah. We'll talk about the case. We'll also
talk about are we desensitized when it comes to violence? Today?

(00:41):
So we've got a lot to get to and we
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(01:01):
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mobile application. So a lot to get to today and
we hope to hear from you as we wrap up,
which has been a crazy week, crazy, crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Week, exhausting. Tis again, I think for me and just
even looking back a little bit, I know we're still
kind of in the event. We still have some of
these things happening. Where were there, you know, we're still
seeing the wrap up of this investigation. But I think
it's how it impacted our twenty something we're a young statement, Yeah, yeah,
very bad. But my friends who have kids around the

(01:34):
same age as my kids, and just talking to my
kids about how they felt about Charlie Kirk, there was
probably something happening that. As much as I try to
stay in tune with, you know, the thought leaders and
the dialogue things happening in this country, I did not
appreciate the impact he was having with Generation Z are
young people and I have learned in the day since

(01:55):
he was I mean, I already thought it was a
terrible thing that happened, but to hear from young people
in this state. It it made me emotional because you know,
it's just just tough. It's very tough. And I didn't
see that coming.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know, Greg our Age, like you, we didn't see
the connection there or I didn't know much. We knew
he was helping Lly Kirk but love him. But he
was getting people involved, younger people. But I don't the
connection the college We've had, you know, a senior in
high school saying he was turned under this college student,

(02:28):
university student up at the U twenty years old saying
I got hooked into him. And I don't know what
it was about Charlie other than the fact that he
shot straight with people. He was he was unafraid, willing
to stand up and debate somebody, have discourse with them.
I mean that really connected with people. I think it's
going to be a challenge to find somebody like I
hope some you know someone I mentioned this on the

(02:50):
show yesterday. Out of this horrible event, we may see
a thousand new Charlie Kirks. We can only hope, We
hope people stay engaged and don't be disp.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It will only happen if if young people are take this,
take this baton and run with it and and really
decide they're not going to let this make it quiet
them have a chilling effect and they and they get
more inspired and more and don't want to see his
assassination as a turning point for the worst. They just
they want to turn around. But by the way, one

(03:21):
of Senator Lee's last texts to Charlie Kirk was four
and on our behalf. We were excited to have him
as a guest on our program, if not after that
at that rally, certainly when he was coming back this
month to Utah State University, we were working hard to
get you get our interview with him so that you
could hear Charlie Kirk and what he's working on. So
it's not like he wasn't on our radar screen. He

(03:42):
certainly was, and we were excited to have him on
the program. It was again, I go back to our
young people who aren't as politically involved as and that's
just a generational thing. It's nothing, it's nothing to do,
but generations. He's been a little different. They have been
getting more engaged. It has been happening, and I probably
didn't understand the catalyst and the power that Charlie Kirk

(04:02):
had amongst our young people to the extent he did
until now. Yeah, and it makes it more heartbreaking when
you know that well.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
And sender Lee shared with us the day of the shooting,
we had him on that he had sent Charlie a note.
Charlie responded saying, I'm feeling really good about coming to
YouTube today. I think it's going to be a big win.
I mean that was where the words that he shared
with sender Lee. Unfortunately it turned out tragically. Now, Tyler
Robinson has been identified as the man who shot and

(04:30):
killed Charlie Kirk. We're learning more information. He's from Washington City,
I guess county, Washington County, Washington City down there in
the south end of the state. Sources say that he
confessed to his father. That's one report we're getting today.
We want to correct one thing. There have been reports
out there. I guess you have this information, Greg that
he was a sheriff's deputy for twenty seven years, but

(04:53):
that does not appear to be the case from the
information we're getting.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's right. Adam Herbert's he is a journal list at
Fox thirteen, the local Fox station here in town, has
confirmed and has a has a statement from the Washington
County Sheriff's Office that the retired deputy sheriff from the
Washington County County Sheriff's Office shares the same name as

(05:17):
Tyler Robinson's father, but they are not the person. I
think that's an important distinction that this suspect, this person,
this assassin, his father was not a retired was not
a retired sheriff from the Washington County Sheriff's Department.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, The Daily Mail has a report today as well,
saying that Robinson reportedly told his father he would rather
kill himself than turn himself in, but was convinced to
speak with a local youth minister who also worked with
US Marshall Service. That news conference last night, we were
wondering what was that was, what that was all about,

(05:55):
because they held it at seven o'clock, seven thirty. I
think it was very short. They just came on an
update and you said to me, or Mayor, you said
to me, they're smoking them out. They're trying to get
this this suspect to come out. Because I think even then, Greg,
they had a pretty good idea who it was. I
would think the.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Press conference didn't match the hype. Hey, we were told
there was a big, big press conference, everybody come watch.
They delayed it. You had Cash Betel, he's he's on
the ground, he's here. He even attended the press conference
but didn't speak. But so when when it came, when
the press conference came, there was the one. The only
thing from that, the only takeaway from that press conference
was a lot more video and a lot more elaborate

(06:36):
images of the person of interest that was jumping off
the roof. And you could see how he was walking,
but you could see jumping off and then you saw
a much much clearer view of his face. And that
was it. But what I what had to happen is
that time of night, the amount of hype really was
shaking trees, getting people to watch and then if you

(06:56):
saw him and this was mentioned on a Fox News
program at some point this week that those those moments
are used because a parent sees their kid, yeah, if
they're if they're if they're around, or somebody who knows someone.
When you have started, those images start emerging, people know
who that is and then you just wait and see
what happens. And it was two hours after that press

(07:16):
conference that there was a formal notification to law enforcement
of who this person and fifty miles awall.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And that he was coming in. The thing that strikes me,
Greg and I think to other people, if you've seen pictures,
he looks like a normal kid. He really does. It
looks like he came from a strong family. I think
two younger brothers, his mom and dad. And you know,
apparently he had become more political of late. That's what

(07:44):
friends are saying out there, and it recently expressed his
dunske for Charlie Kirk, describing him to his family as
full of hate how much you I'm not sure what
influenced him. My thinking in social media that played a
huge role in all of this, because of the messages
that he left on the rounds.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
That's right, And this is what I mean. I've heard
this before. People were saying, well, we don't know. This
is before they they you know, they apprehended this person,
but they're saying we don't know the motives. We don't know.
In fact, MSNBC after he was arrested was saying, the
motives are still unclear. Republican family, Republican family. Well, I
will tell you what I know. About that before they

(08:25):
apprehended him. It was political. I don't think Charlie Kirk
owed someone money. I don't think it was a mob hit.
I don't think somebody he cut someone off in traffic.
It was political and so I had never believed anything
otherwise that. But someone who disagreed with his politics and
his speech was there to do what they did. And
if you see the etchings now on the casing, the

(08:48):
bullet casings, they're they're all related to the politics. A
fascist catch. There's other ones as well.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. Well, and there was a note today apparently in
a phone interview with one of his high school friends
and high school buddies that he hung around with. He
hasked to remain anonymous, but he said that Robinson pretty left,
was pretty left on everything, and the only members of
his family and they say again Republican family that was

(09:17):
really leftists. So you know, he he drifted in that
direction over time. I think the influence of social media,
and I don't know where he developed the hate for
Charlie Kirk, but Ovili obviously had developed over time and
he decided to do something about it. And unfortunately, Charlie
is no longer with us.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So some of the etchings on the cases were things
that young people would understand that are gamers. There were
some things that are that in the furry people think
they're animals, and the transgender communities as wo or zero
W zero is an emotion that they share in the

(09:59):
in the text wite frequently. So there's a bunch even
that bella bella chow bellichiw, that's a in a game
they dropped that that's uh, that drops a five hundred
k g bomb.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
And so there's just a lot of references that are
that an old head like myself wouldn't get right away.
But we're certainly laced politically and against Charlie Kirk and
what he was trying to, you know, his opinions he
was sharing.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
The Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith will be joining us
next here on the Rod and Greg Show. On this
Thank Rodd and Greg is Friday and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine can arrests.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
A friend of mine, someone I greatly admire. Utah County
Sheriff Mike Smith. Mike Smith joining us. I saw you
this morning at the at the press conference. You spoke, uh,
you know about what had happened. You've apprehended at what
looks like that you can call him a suspect that
looks like he's the one that did it. Sheriff, I
know you can't get into the details of this case,
but it appears that the magnitude the cross agencies that worked, federal, state, local, yourself,

(10:59):
I know you were a tip of the spirit because
I know you personally and I know that's where you
would be and you didn't return a single text all week.
Can you share with our audience just a little bit
about what kind of coordination it takes when something horrific
like this happens.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Absolutely, and you know, thanks for having me on for
a minute here. You know, one of these an incident
like this, it doesn't matter how well prepared you are,
how well trained you are, The reality is, it's just
chaos in the beginning hours.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
There's there's no training that can train through chaos to that.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Level when you have an incident where a gunman's open
fire into a crowd of this many people, So you know,
waiting through that. The reality is, though, when all of
a sudden done, you know, everybody that showed up and
there was there was a massive response from law enforcement,
everybody that showed up initially got that scene secure, got

(11:55):
to make sure everybody was safe.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Was overwhelmed me.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
And then, you know, as we started into the investigation stage,
almost immediately wading through all of the material, all of
the evidence, all of everything that we had to take in.
Here's the thing is, no one entity is big enough
to do that to that level. And some may say
they are, but they're not, because when it comes to

(12:23):
local issues and you're coming in on someone's home turf,
you don't know the turf, and you're always at a disadvantage,
and so you have to rely on each other to
do the job, to do it right, and to do
what's right by the citizens of our community.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Sheriff, what is that feeling like as you begin an
investigation like this, You've got so many things to consider,
thousands of tips. I think the number was close to
seven thousand, if not higher than that. But as it
starts coming together and you become more and more confident
that you're on the right path, headed in the right direction,
what is that feeling like for investigators? Sheriff?

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Well, I can tell you it's a roller post sure,
and as a roller coaster as we as you go through,
you wade through all the information and you have some ups.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
You tend to have more downs and you have ups
as as we're wading through it and thinking we have
something finding out we don't. You know, we have to
look into we have to look into everything. A lot
of things were set up in this situation. A lot
of people, you know, went to social media prior and
said things that just could never be said about and

(13:28):
never another human being. And those are things that we
take serious and we look into. And but I'll tell you,
as things start to come get together and we're seeing
a pattern and we're seeing that this is our person,
it's a little overwhelming, you know. And when we've poured
that much into it, and uh and you're you're seeing

(13:51):
a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Sheriff, you wouldn't you're too humble to agree with this,
But I would argue that you're one of the smartest
and toughest members of law enforcement that I know you.
You don't suffer fools lightly at all. You went on
you explain something in the press conference that I didn't.
It's not something that is foreign to you, but I
didn't expect it, and that was the power of prayer

(14:14):
you made. You You took time to say that those
prayers that were being offered to not only Charlie Kirk
his family, but to for you, you felt those. I
share share a little bit about that. I wasn't expecting
that to be part of the press conference, but I
think it means a lot because we've had a lot
of commentary about prayer and whether it's appropriate or not,
and I thought that your observations were pretty powerful.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Yeah, you know, Greg, I'm never going to shy from
that because my convictions are what they are and I'm
not I'm not ashamed of him. And we needed it,
and yes, I felt it and it was so much appreciated.
And you know, there's so much hate and vitriol in
the world today and a and just seeing what's focused

(15:01):
even on this incident, it's just so disheartening. But knowing
and feeling those prayers that you know there are good
people out there who care and want who care about us,
who care about the victim, who care about justice happening.
I felt it, and I am. I'm just overwhelmed and
appreciative of it.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Sheriff this next phase now first fall Phase one is
getting the information, then finding somebody. You've found somebody. This
next phase, putting this all together. What does it look like?
And I imagine your work is far from being done, Jeff,
what does that next phase now look like?

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, it's not far from being done. There's still a
bunch of leads that will be followed up on there.
You know, we need to make sure that that we're
not missing anything. We you know, it's hard to say
at this point I can say we don't believe anybody
was else was involved in I'm not going to rule
that out. You know, we're gonna we follow all the leads,

(15:56):
we make sure that everybody was involved in this uh
is brought to justice, and then, you know, you've got
a tremendous task ahead with.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
The prosecution of this case.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Uh Are our county attorney has a lot on his
plate as he starts to wade through filing charges within
the next couple of days and what those will be
and compiling There's a massive amount of evidence that needs
to be compiled, reports that need to be compiled in
preparation for a very serious trial.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
How much sleep have you had since Tuesday? Tell it truth.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Not not a lot, especially last night last night, maybe
about an hour. And I'm not as young as I
used to be. I see, I feel it much more than.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I ever did. None of us are, Sheriff, none of
us are as young as we used to be. Yeah, well, sure,
if you and your team and everybody involved in this
deserve a big pat on the back for the work
you put in, go home and get some rest this weekend.
Will you be able to do that, Sheriff.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Well, I'm guess you better do that.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Please do.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Sheriff.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Thank you for what you two do. I respect the
heck out of you guys.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Thanks for what you do, all right, Sheriff Mike Smith,
the Utah County Sheriff, thank you us and and I
think both of us mean this. Greg Our heart goes
out to those investigators. They have spent out, you know,
thirty thirty three, thirty six hours to bring this together.
How meticulous they have to be, finding things to make
sure they document everything for the presentation and the charges

(17:38):
which are coming. It's pretty much.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Hits the road, that's sure. That's as hard as it gets.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, it sure is all right, more coming up, it
is the thank Rod and Greg Friday edition of the
Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk radio one oh
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Speaker 1 (17:50):
Kayn Arras they got a great working on the Family
Tax Cuts Act. I know burgesses for the everyday people,
and I look forward to that conversation. But maybe before
we get to that, the front of mind here in
the state of Utah is the political assassination of Charlie
Kirk and the early morning arrest of a suspect this morning. Uh. Congressman,

(18:13):
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Oh, thank you and looking forward to chatting with you.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
For sure before we get to your working Families Tax
Cut Act, which I were excited about. Uh, maybe you
could share some thoughts about this week. It's been week
and just what what what are your thoughts of this
happening in Utah and this happening at all.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
You know, it's it's tragic, it's it's something that of
course we don't we don't expect you in Utah, and
I think it's gonna be a game change in this degree.
Charlie did best what we we look at in terms
of how we grow up the nation.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
He believed in conversations and and respectively talking through processes,
and that's how we people grow, we belong. And he
made this point, as long as you're talking, we're growing
where we're understanding, we're respecting once we begin, once we
stopped that, and unfortun that's what's happening over the last
few decades. Uh, the Marxist ideology has taken over. And

(19:15):
when you have that, there's no tolerance, there's no talentance,
Folks don't believe in the way you believe, and there's
no sense of grace or because God's out of the picture,
get you get very hateful. And that's what we're seeing
right now. And I think what's going to come out
of it. Because Charles was having sex a remarkable impact
on young people. They were listening to him. And I'll
just say this the way that I listened to Rush

(19:36):
of them about thirty years ago when I made a
transition into being a Republican. I remember every day trying
to find and make sure I was in a place
I can listen to them on the radio because it
made sense, It gave me hope, It was very optimistic
and again very intelligent, that is, and that conversation that
Rush had thirty years ago has been now, not only
with a very conservative family, but I'm serving because very

(19:58):
conservative state. So if and it's generational, intergenerational impact that
one person can have. And that's what Charlie has done
with the young people. He's given them the environment they
can feel it was cool to be conservative, it was
cool to be patriotic and respectful and and and tolerant,
those kinds of things that make our country what it is.
And sadly, you know, we've lost his voice, but we

(20:20):
have not lost his vision. And I think what's going
to happen now. A lot of good people, even on
the Democratic side that have in the past, they have
the empathy and they realize what the heart enough is
seeing doesn't make any sense. It's heartless, it is cold,
and they don't want to be part of that. So
my hopes are those who in the past have been

(20:41):
on the Democratic side become independent. Go to a place
if you don't want to be a Republican, go to
a place where you can at least hear the different
voices and make the decision on what's going to be
best for you and your family. Your business world might
be now it is not in the democratic part of
the days because it's been led by very cold, cold hearted,
godless people.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah. Congress ofmanill Owens is being joined in Utah today
by a Republican from Michigan, Congressman Tim Wahlberg. Here. Congressman Wahlburg,
first of all, welcome to Utah. I want to get
your reaction to the events of the past twenty four hours,
really since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. You know, people
are calling this a turning point. Your reaction to this,

(21:21):
and what do you think where we go from here?
Congressman Wahlberg, Well.

Speaker 8 (21:25):
It's going to be with you. Good to be with
Burgess any any place in the world.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
He's a good guy. I agree with that.

Speaker 8 (21:32):
He does a great job. And you know, when we
heard of the assassination, it just broke our hearts. Charlie
was a great American who was willing to debate open freely,
without pounding on people, but really encouraging them to think
through many things. So knowing that he was here in

(21:55):
Utah and all the times I've been here, I've been
so impressed by not just saying that it's actual and
we're experience with today in fact, people who are kind,
who are caring, who have a purpose. There's a deep
faith out here, and so when we heard that it
happened in Utah, I don't know that just that just
can't happen in Utah. But with what's going on today,

(22:19):
there needs to be a ratcheting down of the anger
that's out there and the immediate rush to to violence
that we're seeing. And I was I was pleased that
all of our forces joined federal, local, state, county and
the relatively short period of time they were able to
apprehend the one who committed this atrocity. I'm glad that

(22:43):
his family and others brought him to justice and we'll
see what goes from here. But I appreciate it so
much hearing the comments this morning, not only of Cash
Pattel and others, but your governor and his his strong
statement about the morality that's needed in this country that

(23:05):
this can't go on if we are to remain the
country that's the envy of the world, which we still
are in so many ways.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
But this has to stop.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
And it isn't right left in the middle. It is
America wrestling through ideas, and I think we have to
look at each other as brothers, sisters in the battle,
the battle that will continue on, but a battle that
does not result in the violence that takes that took

(23:37):
place here. So it'll be interesting to watch. I, for one,
as Chairman of Education Workforce Committee, want to be impactful,
along with my vice chairman Burgess Owens, in establishing a
pattern of how we work together with our colleagues on
the other side of the aisle that we will disagree with,
but we can also work together towards solutions about that.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I know you're here, and you're here for a very
important issue. It's this Working Family Tax Cuts Act. I
know connorsoon Burgess owns you are for the everyday guy.
I came up, you know, from a tough place in life.
I know that you came from that too. So tell
us about this, tach both of you. We're happy you're here.
Tell us about this this work that you're doing for
and on behalf of the working people of this country.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
Well let me just start off and I'll just say this,
I'm so thankful that we have the leadership we have
on Education Workforce. Attendant has actually been on this committee
for sixteen years and he did it as he also
served on another very very important committee so what we
have and we're realizing that at the end of the day,
we wanted to get our country back. We have to
make sure our kids are taught how to think, critical thinking,

(24:47):
how do we respect, how to have so much consciences
so if you can hear other voices and still have
that civil debate. And that's really what we're working to
get done now. And not only does the educational piece reading, writing, thinking,
reaching out and understanding our culture, but also getting into
a workplace where you can do dreams and that connection

(25:08):
with what will. I think we have a really strong
opportunity to get done till mention something earlier now and
our feel hearing and that is we are at a committee.
Education should always did the very top of priorities in
terms of committees, because Ignoranar free can never be And
this is where we begin to get our country back.
And then one last point, Utah leads in so many

(25:30):
different ways. We have a culture service of education, of
building families, so we have a chance to really be
a lead in that process. And that's what I was
excited about having the team, the education and the workforce
team to come out and just see and seeing me
some of our stakeholders and see what we're doing here
in your Tom.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, certainly a lot of great work has been done.
Congressman Owens, Congressman Wahlberg, thank you very much for coming
on the show today. Congressman Walburg, safe travels to you.
Thank you for you guys are one two punch, I like, thanks,
thank you.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
All about?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
All right, all right? Joining us on our Newsmaker line.
Congressman Tim Wahlberg, a Republican from Michigan and Utah. Congressman
Burgess Owens more coming up on the Roden Greg, Joe,
I want to go to a quick call because you
have a response to this. Greg. This would come in
on our talk back line.

Speaker 9 (26:15):
Question for Mike Smith, why didn't your department provide security
for Charlie Kirk Utah knew about what he was going
to be doing a month in advance, and yet he
had no sheriff department or local police department patrolling the area.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Greg, you haven't answered that. It's a jurisdictional question.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
The quick answer is that UBU has a police department
and so they have the jurisdiction of that campus. And
if they had asked for additional resources, I know that
not only would Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith. But wherever
a police department would would call out and ask for
additional help from a county sheriff, they would receive that.

(27:00):
But what wouldn't happen is that the county sheriff would
go into an area that has the jurisdiction of a
police department, be it UVU or a city and do
that unilatterly. So it needs to be in coordination with
and they would need to be asked, and they weren't.
And so that's that would be the quest. I haven't
asked Mike that, but that I would say, that's the answer.

(27:20):
And then as far as I looked at the security,
I think that hindsight's always twenty twenty, but I do
I am aware that there was a very strong security
presence around Charlie Kirk brings his own security presence, but
they are always looking at that immediate area where there's
people that within the voice sound of his voice, or
who could charge the stage, or who could look to

(27:43):
even raise a weapon that's in that vicinity looking two
hundred yards away for snipers, that's a that's a different
world that I don't know that everybody was ready for
at that moment. Maybe they should have been, but that
I think that there wasn't a lack of security, certainly
with Charlie Kirk having security with him. But I think
that times they are now changed right in front of us, you.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Know, And I hope it doesn't stop. Out to our events.
You've been to him, I've been to him. They are
a lot of fun, and I hope it doesn't stop.
But there are going to be some changes. May there
have to be.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Unfortunately, that was one of the secret sauces for Charlie
is that he could pull in so many people that
might not even thought they were coming.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Because all right, we want to hear from you as
you work your way home on this Friday. And a
lot of new developments in the assassination of Charlie Kirk's
We have a man in custody right now. We'll get
your thoughts on that coming up.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I'm roughd ark citizen, Greg Hughes.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
You know it's funny, Greg. Here you have, in light
of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a dedicated family man,
deep in his faith as belief in God and in
Jesus Christ, a devoted husband, two wonderful children, little girl
and a little boy gunned down. Okay, and and and

(28:56):
what has happened? I think and they have, you know,
over time, I think, Greg, we've gotten to really understand
who the Democrats are and who's on the left. But
I think this tragic event that took place Wednesday down
at UVU has really exposed them. I mean it really has.
I mean they have come out. I mean, look, they've

(29:16):
been calling Donald Trump what a nazi? A fascist? For
how long?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Ten years?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Ever since he came down that escalator, right, They've been
calling him that. And now they're attempting to wash their
hands clean of all this and saying, well, both sides
do it, you know, and that is simply not the case.
We have example after example that is not the case.
But boy, are they trying to walk away from this,
and they can't because we have evidence of it.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, it's we have to really really be careful here,
and we have to be able to call this out
when we see it. And I think I got to
the point when this happened that I'm done, I'm done
avoiding it. Yeah, I'm going to call it out. We've
even had some of our we have the smartest listing
audience in all the land. We've had some callers who've
tried to say and probably believe that this is somehow
on sides, it's just fundamentally is not. If you anybody

(30:03):
who's saying that is not it does not look at
and probably shouldn't the social media feeds that are going out,
because it's not just young people that were actively celebrating.
It's not the the Zion's National Park employee who when
people were ducking instinctively raised his hands and cheered in
the in front of Charlie as he was being shot
and was cheering. It's not the it's not the secret

(30:26):
Service agent who posted his happiness that he was killed.
It's not the school assistant principle that did it, the
veterinarian that's done it. We can go the judge in
Wisconsin that did it. We can go on and on
and on on. The people that have been selling the
cartoons and T shirts being sold with his with his
head being shot, and it's saying debate this. I'm telling

(30:47):
you there there is no equivalency to this. And now
that they have found the suspect, strangely, the Democrats going, oh,
it's a it's a Republican family, it's a Republican or
a strong Republican in these in these billet casings that
are that have been etched, and there are clearly liberal
messages explaining his hatred towards Charlie Kirk. There is some

(31:08):
I'm reading there saying no, that's actually an alt right symbol.
No it's not. Okay. You can again, you can try
to let them explain this away, but it is exposed.
Not just like I said, not just the immediate celebration
from some that are so sickening, but some of these
posts from adult from people that are in positions of leadership.
They're in the military, member of the Navy. I can

(31:30):
go on and on, but I am just not going
to entertain any longer the notion that that we have
a problem across the board amongst Americans who are looking
at violence as a way to pursue their political interest.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
It is not the fringes you know you're thinking, as
you just talked about, Greg, It is not the the
bottom dwelling rolls on the internet who are making these comments.
It is their political leaders who are making these comments.
As you pointed out, I mean, we even had what
was it, a secret Service agent who was celebrating, Yes,
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. He's been suspended, by the way,

(32:06):
and I hope he'll be fired. He may be fired.
You had made your figures on all the major networks
celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. I want to play
for you a montage of Democratic leaders and you'll recognize
many of their voices over the last couple of years
calling for a tax on Donald Trump and those on
the right. Listen to this.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
You know why the uprisings all of the country.

Speaker 11 (32:27):
Maybe they will be.

Speaker 12 (32:28):
There needs to be unrest in the streets for as
all as there's unrest in our lives.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Throw a punch.

Speaker 12 (32:34):
You had to be Throw a punch.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Ronald Trump.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I think you need to go back and then punch
him in.

Speaker 9 (32:38):
A face that I thought he should have punched him
in the face.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I feel like punching him. I'd like to take him
behind the gym.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
If I were in high school.

Speaker 12 (32:45):
We were in high school, I'd taken behind the gym
and beat the hell out of him.

Speaker 13 (32:48):
No, I wish we were in high school.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I could take it behind the gym.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I will go and take Trump out to night, Take
him out.

Speaker 13 (32:54):
Now, when was the last time an actor assassinator of
a president?

Speaker 14 (32:59):
They're still going to have to go and put a
bullet in Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Show me where it says that protests are supposed to
be polite and peaceful.

Speaker 15 (33:08):
Well, God, any more anywhere.

Speaker 11 (33:11):
I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the
White House.

Speaker 14 (33:17):
Please get up in the face of some congress people.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
People will do what they do.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
I want to tell you, Lord Doug.

Speaker 9 (33:25):
I want to tell you, Gavinaugh, you have.

Speaker 12 (33:28):
Relieved the world when and you will pay top ride.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
We're gonna go in they We're gonna be.

Speaker 14 (33:36):
This is just a warning to you Trumpers.

Speaker 10 (33:39):
Be careful, walk lightly, and for those of you who
are soldiers, make them pay.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
If you had to be stuck at an elevator with
either President Trump might cancer Jeff's sessions, who would it be?
Does one of us have to come out alive?

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Now?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Let me tell you what, Greg, Those are not bottom
dwelling trolls on the internet. Those are well known figures,
every one of them. You, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Johnny Depp,
Ellen DeGeneres, Madonna, those are you know who are looked
up to on the liberal side as leaders. Yep, and
they are calling for violence against Donald Trump and people

(34:16):
who voted for him. So when you hear people say, well,
you know what happens on both sides, bull a big bull,
because it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
And I can tell you I attended the first inauguration
of President Trump in January seventeen, and we saw the
violence then break out where McDonald's plate glass window storefront
window was smashed through. Not just that McDonald, all of them.
They were being smashed, they were being hit. You had
and I'd never known anything about Antifa, and I learned
what Intifa was in that inauguration with the attacks that

(34:48):
were happening when it got dark, with people that were
still walking the streets in Washington, d C. You fast
forward four years in twenty twenty. All those businesses learned
and they said, well, we're not going to be have
our buildings smashed. So they started putting up the wood,
the plywood over all their windows. Yes, when when Joe
Biden was announced the winner, they took it down.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
It came down.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Now, you tell me if it's if it's an equal,
it's on both sides. Why would those business owners not
leave it up, thinking that whatever side lost would commit
the violence. They didn't. They all took down the wood.
Once Biden was announced the winner in twenty twenty, I
was there to see that as well. I'm going to
tell you I will not accept and it is not

(35:31):
true that we have this kind of violence on both
sides of the isle. Now, look, I gave you the
analogy before. If you have someone on the right that's
committed violence, you can give me three four examples. I
don't know what they are, and you can give them,
but that doesn't make what we're seeing on the left
the case. It would be like when you cut your
grass every Thursday night because you're you know, you want
to keep your weekends free. You're not a landscaper rod.
It's not what you do all day. You have you

(35:54):
have the equivalent of these landscaping companies who've made it
their their their trade, to operate in violence and to
create fear and fement fear. And then you you they're
going to find like the one color who said, well,
Donald Trump said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue,
you know from ten years ago, who was joking when
he said it. There is no equivalency to that. It's
not even it's not even close.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
You listen to the people, the voices that we heard
in that montage we played a minute ago. Yes, there's
no joking there. There's no no joking there whatsoever. So
I tell you what the left and I don't think
they'll be able to do it. I think they need
some deep soul searching, if they have a soul at
all anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
And what I would say, I'd just say to them, look,
clean up your own house. I mean, the Democrat they
have to know that they have got It's not fringe anymore.
They are they ain't frot of the strongest Republicans right
now used to be Democrats. And even look at the
President Trump's cabinet with RFK Junior and Tulca Gabbard, these
are these were Democrats. They're they can't be in that park,
God fearing they they anyway, There's there's a lot going

(36:55):
on there that this is exposed, and none of it's
really that good.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
All right, let's talk more about the events of this
week and get your reaction to all of this. Eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on your
cell phone dial pound two fifteen and say hey, Rod
or leave us to come in on our talk back line.
Let's go right to the phones before a break. Let's
go to Rick in Pleasant Grove tonight, Rick, how are
you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 13 (37:16):
Hi, guys, Like lots of people, I spent the last
few days looking at Charlie Kirk videos, not his channel,
but other channels, and I think there's some responsibility for
even conservative influencers. You'd see a short and it would
say something like Charlie humiliates transgender goon or something like that. Yeah,

(37:41):
and then you've got this thumbnail of their faces and
rags and streaming at each other, and then you open
it up and there's this beautiful civil dialogue between two people,
and I just can't help but wonder. I mean, I

(38:03):
probably wouldn't click into a pro transgender video to see
the details of it, and I would probably be guilty
of getting my perspective from that thumbnail and from that title.
And when when the conservative influencers just want the clicks

(38:24):
for the money or whatever, I think we what's the
word we inflamed people's. I think a lot of people
that hate Charlie Kirk never heard him talk.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Now I agree with you on that.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Ray.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
You make a very good point. And Charlie Kirk had said,
don't get caught up in the internet for fury. Yes,
you know, it's just a very small slice of life,
so don't get caught up.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
It's a very good point that sometimes those those descriptions
don't match the content, and I think that's actually really well.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Say, all right, we got a lot more callers coming in.
We'll get to your comments coming up on the Friday
edition of The Rotten Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine kN rs.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Let's go to Sean and Roy. Sean, Welcome to the
Rodding Greg Show.

Speaker 14 (39:09):
How we how are we doing?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
We're doing well, thank you.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Glad Friday though.

Speaker 14 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad it's Friday too. First off, we
lost the Hero Wednesday, Yes we did, you know. And
another thing, you know, I don't think we're the United
States anymore because we're not united at all, zero united.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
And uh.

Speaker 14 (39:34):
I think Governor Cox really needs to change how the
death penalty works. I feel if these guys get the
death penalty, you know, sitting instead of sitting in prison
for twenty twenty five years before they get the bullet.
It needs to happen a lot sooner.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that, Sean, And I
think Greg and I are both supporters of the death penalty.
We've never talked about this. I'm a supporter of it,
but I'm with you, Sean. We can't drag it out
for twenty twenty five thirty years. That that doesn't serve
its purpose. And that's why I think you need a
fairly fair quickly implication or application, I should say, of

(40:11):
the death penalty. That's my opinion.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I agree, and I will say this too. It is
hard to unite with people that I think it was
Mega McCain that said online. It's hard to unite with
people that would want you and people like you dead.
It's a little loward, doesn't Okay, let's go to Zach
and Orum. Zach, thank you for holding. Welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
What's up, guys.

Speaker 16 (40:33):
It's been a long week, hasn't it.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
Hey.

Speaker 16 (40:37):
I just want to let you know there's so much
stoking up the fire going on online, so many people
are happy and promoting the political violence of Charlie Kirk
that a website has actually been created called Charlie's Murderers
dot com and it names people on social media where

(40:58):
they work and the foul comment that they've said, so
that you don't accidentally take your kid to the dentist
and you find out that the dentist that's working on
your child when they go home, they're praising the death
of a third year old American man. So I would
urge everyone to go check out murders Charlie's Murderers dot com.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, I thank you. I actually want that because I am.
That's the other thing that frustrates me is it is NonStop,
and it is across the board and it is loud,
and then I have someone say nu uh na, that's
the big red. No, okay, well, here's this website. There's
a funny guy, that guy that he there's a guy
that's a veterinarian and he wrote this filthy how happy
was that Charlie was dead? Once more? A guy made

(41:48):
a four foot by eight for an eight foot banner
like a screenshot of his tweet and and put it
on PBC pipe and stood outside that veterinarian clinic so
that everybody would know the guy inside there said this
about Charlie Kirks as well. Wow, and so.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Would you take your your pet to no way? No way,
no way? All right, back to the phones we go.
Let's talk with Richard in Mill Creek to night here
on the rod In Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (42:12):
Richard, go ahead, Greg, this is one of your incredibly
smart listeners. Hey, let me just let me just bullet
point really quick and I'll get out of your way
because I maybe I don't want to spout anything that's
not accurate, but I'm through kind of going around to day.
I was told by a number of people that did

(42:33):
come on Utah Valley University didn't even really want Charlie
kirk there. Number two. Where the way that whole thing
was set up, I mean it was like he was
in the front oot of a shooting gallery. I don't
understand the way he was set up a total act
of security. My third point is I understood, at least
from some of your cars, that originally there were tickets,
And I was wondering did anybody screen any of these

(42:55):
people before they came in? Were they're metal detectors? Which
leaves me to point number I know we've all seen
the video of the guy crawling across the roof and
nobody said anything. I mean nobody said anything. And when
I mentioned that to my son, he said, why didn't
they have a drone up in the sky. Why didn't
they have something? They all they needed was a drone

(43:17):
and they could have looked and made sure there was
no issues on the top of the building, and or
they could have had someone on the tallest building with
a with a with a high powered rifle with some
sort of security, but even a drone. And then this
whole thing about the death penalty, well, this morning, death penalty,
death penalty, death penalty. And now we hear always a
twenty two year old young man from southern Utah comes

(43:39):
from mcgreg's family. So maybe it's time to tone down
that rhetoric. Man, this is this whole thing. I know
it sounds incredibly conspiratorial, but it doesn't pass the smell death.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
No, no, it does.

Speaker 12 (43:52):
My comment.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, thank you Richard. First of all, yes, there was
a petition that was going around the university and I
think they came close to getting a thousand signatures asking
the university not to allow Charlie Kirk to come there.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
And the people that were there, they were chanting some
profane thing. Charlie as well.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, the drone idea is pretty interesting idea that around
the buildings.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Nowadays, I think that'll be almost an automatic now I
will Hey, by the way, we have great listeners. I've
said that smartest listeners now the land. A member of
a legislative leadership as I don't know if I want
to say the name, because maybe the bill's not public it,
but there is legislation being worked on to expedite the
death penalty. Good so to our reader, to our listeners
comment that called in why does this take so long?

(44:35):
There is there's they You're not alone in that question.
And it looks like that that is a piece of
policy that maybe a bill, a bill foul opened and
passed in this coming general session.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
We can only hope. All right, we've got a lot
of comments on our talk back line. We'll get to
those and to your phone calls eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero are on your cell phone
dial pound two to fifty and say hey, Rod more
coming up on the Rod and Greg show. That's on
our talk about line.

Speaker 11 (45:00):
Charlie said, when people stopped talking.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Not that one, that's not the one.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
That's the one he didn't call in, he didn't do.

Speaker 15 (45:08):
How did the shooter get access to the roof? And
according to the discord chats, it sounds like that there
is an organizational effort here in Utah to provide him
with the firearm that he used, which also least the
question is was there an organizational effort for him to
get access to the roof through the university?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You know, that's one question I would like to ask,
how did he get access to the roof, Greg, because
normally those access doors are locked and they have an
emergency on them, so if you open and alarms go off,
I would like to know that, Oh was it? Oh okay, okay?

Speaker 1 (45:46):
So so yeah, so there's questions like that. Also, the
roommate that the authorities were able to see screenshots where
he said he dropped the gun that he needed to
go back to go get. I don't know how long
that roommate had that information, and it sounded like he
was sharing it when confronted. But that would tell you
that that roommate understood what was going on with his

(46:08):
roommate and what happened to Charlie Kirk earlier when the
investigators approached him. So what is the consequence for that.
I would imagine that he if he's aware of it
and he didn't say anything that that's not glad he
showed the texts, but there still seems to be a problem.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah. Now, coming up in the six to tick hour,
the attorney generally the Great State of Utah will be
joining us, Derek Brown. We'll also talk about are we
desensitized when it comes to violence? But Greg, you just
saw this, and we want to play this. The White
House has put out a little montage in tribute to
Charlie Kirk. Yeah, you've got that cute up. Let's go
ahead and listen to that as you work your way

(46:44):
home tonight.

Speaker 17 (46:45):
Only in America is it possible to say, you know what,
I don't like the way the country is going, and
to do something about it that risk, take that leap
of faith, stay involved, trust God, and act obediently. Romans
twelve qu verse that God will use all things, all
things for good for those who love him.

Speaker 11 (47:08):
It's bigger than you. I want you to remember. It
is bigger than you. It's bigger than me. You are
here to make somebody else's life better than pursuit of
liberty and freedom. You know what gives me strength the
hundreds of thousands of you that say, Charlie, keep going.
First Corinthians five and fifteen. So that's all pretty amazing evidence,

(47:31):
not just inter biblical evidence, but extra biblical evidence that
Jesus Christ was a real person. He lived a perfect life,
he was crucified, died, and rose on the third day,
and he is Lord and Dona la.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Very powerful vidego put together by the White House tonight
in honor of Charlie Kirk. We're also getting word later
on this evening apparently Charlie's widow, Erica, is going to
meet with the median or issue a statement and how
her family is dealing with You know, we saw get
off the plane in Phoenix last night. That was that

(48:06):
was tough to watch, folks coming home, uh and home
for the last time holding her husband cross, Yeah, a
metal across as she held out the window to wave
at those who were there supporting her and the turnout.
President Trump said today he'll be going to the funeral.
So we'll be on top of that next week as well.

(48:27):
All Right, a lot more coming up our number three
on the Rod at Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio
one Oh five nine, can't arrest, stay with us. And
I want to say, again, Greg, and we've talked about
this earlier, kudos to the people of Utah. I mean

(48:48):
there was a there was a split screen picture put up,
I think it was on Fox News this morning showing
what happened the day or two after George Floyd died
and what happened after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Completely different picture,
rioting in the street, burning of cars, hearing Utah vigils.
So kudos to the people of Utah.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, and again we spoke on the show, but just
as we're finishing up this last hour, Utahn's this is
what this didn't feel like Utah. It's not who we are.
And granted this is someone from Utah and it happened,
but I thought the volunteers, the tips that were given
more the collective morning we went through. I do think
our state did. I think that we really did react

(49:28):
in a way that you would expect Utah too, and
that is that we were just horrified, upset and wanted
to help in any way we could.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, and I think Utah showed the rest of the
country some really important values that we cherish here all right,
let's talk more about this as we continue with our coverage.
Joining us on our any our newsmaker line is our
own attorney general. You know well dojar Brown. He's the
Attorney General for the state of Utah. And Derek, thanks
for joining us this evening. What do you make of
how Utah has responded to the killing and the assassination

(49:57):
of Charlie.

Speaker 18 (49:58):
Kirk Derek, situation that's traumatic like this takes place. There's
one of two things you can do. You can you
can let it bring you together. You can use it
to tear people apart. And I think that we've come
together as a state. I mean, I think we've we've
worked together. We've had thousands of people who are not
only in attendance and witnessed something horrific, but thousands of

(50:18):
people who have gone out of their way, to out
of their way to really help to provide tips. I
mean there's like eleven thousand different tips. I mean, we've
had vigils and you know, as the governor mentioned, you know,
nothing's been burned, they haven't been protests. I mean, these
are people in our state who have come together, and
I think it's a model of the fact that even

(50:40):
though we do have people out there that want to
drive us apart. You know, I think that that Utah
has showcased how you let something like this make you
better and draw you closer. And it's just it's something
that I wish other states would learn. And frankly, I've
had people all over the country that have texted me
today after watching the governor and his press conference and

(51:01):
just say, Wow, that was you know, that is just
that's a model for how we should behave in a
very difficult situation like this.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Derek is our attorney general. This is obviously a political
assassination would grab our attention no matter where we live.
This happens in our own community in Utah County and Oremon,
a campus that we you and I have frequent many times.
One of the things discussed in multiple press conferences was
the extraordinary coordination between the State of Utah, your office,
Department of Public Safety, Sheriff Smith from Utah County Sheriff,

(51:34):
with the FBI, with the Department of Justice. Maybe share
with our audience, what does something that's easy to say,
what actually happened? How did that coordination happen?

Speaker 18 (51:43):
Well, the reality is that's how you. That's how you
get someone in these circumstances in the areas where in
the past law enforcement hasn't done a great job. It's
been a lack of communication, and this year has been
a model of how you communicate. I mean, right from
the very beginning, everyone was on the line together. Everyone
was talking. I mean I was speaking with the governor,
the governor and even spoken with the President. We were

(52:05):
on with the Department of Justice. The Utah County sheriff
was right there, Jeff Gray, the county prosecutor, was on
top of this. We had Commissioner Mason and DPS. And
the reality is everyone was working together, and we were
working with and including up to the very highest levels
of the Department of Justice. And it's really it's easier

(52:27):
said than done. I mean it's needed to say, hey,
everyone just needs to communicate. But but yeah, I mean,
this is it's it's I think what we've done is
we've set a new bar for how you communicate in
something like this where you have a city involved in
the university, and a county and a state and then
the federal level. I mean, it's it's much easier said

(52:47):
than done. But I feel like the teams have done
a phenomenal job of that.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Derek.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I know you can't get into the nitty gritty of
the investigation of what goes on, but you know there's
a question about Okay, they're state charge that will be
filed against them, apparently going to be filed on Tuesday,
from what we hear, possibly federal charges. How does that
all work out? Does state take precedent over the federal charges,
if any come, can they even be filed? Kind of

(53:12):
lay out the course as to what happens.

Speaker 18 (53:15):
Now, Well, we've got the suspect in custody, we have
a probable cause statement which is public, and then there
will be the charging documents, is what we're called. They
will be filed most likely Tuesday. As you mentioned, we
are working together with the federal government. Everything is on
the table in terms of what we're going to be
looking at, and it'll be the state and the federal

(53:38):
law enforcement officials working together. There are different state charges
you can press, federal charges you can press, and the
reality is both of them working together, I think are
very powerful and provide options perhaps that each of them
on their own don't, and so we're looking at all

(53:58):
the different options out there to make sure that that,
regardless of what happens, justice is served.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
So sometimes I'm just thinking, I know you won't know
this answered definitively, but how long will it take for
justice to be served? I mean, I know, court appeals,
all these things can happen in your estimation with what
you have by way of evidence that you don't have
to discuss. But how long do you think it takes
for this where we feel as a nation that justice
has been served here?

Speaker 6 (54:26):
You know?

Speaker 18 (54:26):
That is the that's the ultimate question. I mean, our
job really is to do this as quickly as possible.
I mean, people have a right to speedy trial, and
we want to you know, comply with the constitution as
best as we can. But also these things do take
time because the goal is to make sure that you
have all the information and everything is done according to

(54:46):
the rules and the constitution. And so I mean there
is this human instinct to hope that it's you know,
it happens very quickly, but there is a specific deliberative
process and so all I can say, we'll be working
on that as quickly and efficiently as we can, and
it's my hope that the community itself will be able

(55:07):
to feel because I mean, as you know, with the community,
and even though we've got three point five million people,
this touches everyone. I mean everybody I know. I mean
everyone knows someone likely who was there. I have family
members that were there, I have staff members that were there.
In fact, I heard it from family members before I
heard it from either law enforcement or the media, because

(55:28):
that's how fast things move in this in this day
and age. And so there are thousands of people who
are processing what just happened. And I think that as
a society what we need to do, and as a community,
we need to put our arms around them and use
this as an opportunity to, you know, to bring us together.
And of course that does not preclude law enforcement from

(55:48):
doing everything we can to make sure that justice is served.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Derek, the President has mentioned this, I believe the governor
has mentioned it as well. The issue of the death
penalty and where we go from here. Do you have
to meet certain requirements? Who makes that decision? Inform the
public a little bit as to that in connection with
this case, because a lot of people are saying this
warrants the death penalty. If any case ever has, what's
the process what's the road look like on that issue?

Speaker 18 (56:14):
Well, right now, we're gathering all the information that we can.
So part of what we do is look at things
like phone, like the phone, who did he text? What
is the information we can gather there, and then we
bring that together and then from there the decisions are
made by the lead prosecutors. And just let me know
that everything is on the table. I mean, there's nothing

(56:36):
that isn't on the table.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yes, let me maybe just a final question, just real
quickly wrapping it up. We've seen a lot of violence.
We've seen a lot of celebrations and appropriate and morbid
celebrations of Charlie Kirk's death in the state of Utah.
You're the attorney general, the head law enforcement officer. Do
you see more violence coming or do you think that
this state we pull it in and we condemn this
kind of violence without regard to political affiliation.

Speaker 18 (57:01):
Well, and I've been asked that very question. I think
the reality is we should condemn it. It should have
nothing to do with with where someone is politically speaking.
I think we condemn violence when we see violence, and
I think we use this as an opportunity to teach
our children and to teach, you know, students at universities
that that it is okay. I mean, the reality is

(57:21):
Charlie Kirk made him. He was famous simply because he
was willing to go into places that didn't like him,
you know, universities and just engage in an open dialogue.
I mean, it's ironic, if not almost comical, that that's
how he became famous, was by going into a place
where the free flow of ideas and debate should be

(57:41):
the norm, but apparently it isn't. And so you know,
he was killed doing the very thing that he modeled
that we should all do. And so hopefully we can
take that approach that he you know, that he he
modeled for us of engaging in productive dialogue and and
model that ourselves. I mean, you guys do on your show.
This is something we need to teach our kids, we

(58:03):
need to model in universities and and hopefully we can
we can, you know, take a course correction from where
we've gone the last decade or so.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
On our newsmaker line. The Attorney General of the State
of Utah.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Nice guy Derek Brown, he is, he's a good egg.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Here on the Rotten Greg Show. All Right, more coming
up here on talk Radio one oh five nine can
arrests with everything that we see now, not only you
know years ago, concern about violence on television. I remember
that debate went on for a long long time. Video game,
video game now use video games and music and social media.
You know, are we, in fact, greg becoming desensitized to

(58:38):
violence anymore? I mean we see the pictures all the time,
you know. I saw the picture of Charlie Kirk being assassinated.
I looked at twice. I said, that's it. I can't
look at at anymore.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I think I saw it twice, and I think the
second time I didn't mean to. I think it flipped
up and I saw it, yeah, accidentally, but yeah, no,
it's these are images that you're probably better off and
healthier not to see there. I don't know what the
value is to seeing someone shot and killed that way?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Well, how do we respond to all of this? Joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now is doctor Salvador Giorgianni,
a senior science advisor with Men's Health Network Doctor South.
Thank you for joining us tonight. What do you make
of what happened here? We've seen violence in Charlotte and
then what happened done in Orum on Wednesday. What do
you make of all of this? And what do we
do in this regard?

Speaker 10 (59:25):
I can go to the families involved in these and
all the other tragedies that we're witnessing. It is something
that I think is the human story. In preparation for
this discussion, I went back and I took a look
at the literature to see, well, just what is the
history of Americans and people in general being sensitive to

(59:48):
or desensitized with the violence that we see. And you know,
if you go all the way back, and I don't
want to draw too many parallels, even in ancient Rome,
there was a certain segments of the population who enjoyed
the thrill of violence and very violent behaviors. So the
spectacle of bread and circuits. I look back and I
was able to find some articles from believe it or not,

(01:00:11):
the eighteen hundreds. At the reporting was very different then,
and the discussions were different, where there were hints of
alarm at the level of violence that young people, young
people in particular, were seeing in the colonies that are
early America, I should say. And then looking in the

(01:00:33):
literature a little bit later on in the sixties and seventies.
There have been several articles that looked at and published
in the medical literature at the same sort of issue.
What is what is the experience? What are we seeing
and the whole notion of violence? How are people being

(01:00:55):
desensitized or dehumanized by violence? When do images of constant
images of violence result in either aberration for violence, warnings
about violence and violence symptoms, or a morbide fascination. One
study in particular I saw it was from nineteen seventy

(01:01:15):
four where they looked at boys emerly boys but some women,
but premarily boys in the age group between eleven and thirteen,
and followed up with them at eighteen, and they looked
at how they were internalizing the violence that they were
seeing in their lives, and of course was all over
the board. And what they found and I think relevant

(01:01:37):
to some of the things that we're seeing play out
and everyday life in America, now that when these young
people were exposed to violent images, graphic violence, they ended
up having violent tendencies when they became older, and that

(01:02:01):
they made this very stunning suggestion that the data says
as to the emotionally sensitization of violence occurs very early
on in adolescens and then later on contributes to violence
later in life, or a immunity from the true meaning
of violence. I think when you look at social media,

(01:02:23):
when you look at some of the gaming that's going on,
when you look at what happens to individuals who were
subjected to some of the depersonalization during COVID, we're seeing
some of the some more of what has been historically seeing.
The big question is what do we do about it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
So, doctor, you've you've shared a long history of human
beings and violence. So is it that this is a
this is a constant and sometimes we're more aware of
it than we are at other times. Or do you
think as a society, particularly in the United States, that
it is increasing, are maybe decent sens desensitivity towards violence?

Speaker 10 (01:03:04):
Well, uh, it's hard to gauge for me anyway. I'm
not a behavioralist, I'm not a psychologist. It's certainly not
a media expert, a social media expert, Lord knows, I'm
not a social media expert. But uh so, I don't
know if it's increasing, but it certainly isn't getting better.
I am afraid that with today's quick reporting and constant

(01:03:26):
connected world, we see it more often, which I am
also afraid leads to further down the rabbit hole if
you will have that the more violence we see, or
young people see early on, less sensitive they have.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:03:42):
The other thing I would I would mention here is
that when you look across the medical literature, the published
literature that there are, there is no real consensus about
what are the hallmarks of someone in younger see this
constant barrage of of violence, and those who just learn

(01:04:06):
from it recognize the signs from it see as an
aberration and stay away from it. What are the characters
to someone who sees it and becomes thrilled about it
and then has these increasing levels of dopamine in the
brain which lead them to want more and more and
more violence for or more and more if you will

(01:04:28):
experiences more of his experiences. No one knows the answer,
but I think we have to try to understand how
to recognize that these are problems we have to fix,
and I think one of it is social media.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yeah, well, I was going to ask you about that,
doctor zel my son, one of my sons asked me today, Dad,
what would you do? Our fourteen year old daughter wants
to look at the image of Charlie Kirk being shot,
and she said, Dad, all my friends have seen it.
Why can't I see it? And I said, son, that's
your decision. But I wouldn't let her see it. I
mean the social media and we could see the stabbing

(01:05:05):
of a young girl on the training Charlotte this week
as well. I mean, what does that do to you think?
Do we know yet the power of those images?

Speaker 10 (01:05:15):
We know they're very powerful, and as I said, no
one's been able to define with her an individual person.
Let's take this example of a fourteen year old woman
who wants to You've got to you have to know
that person. This is where something is also afraid to
become lost in the past generation or so all about good
parenting skills, you know your child. The mere fact that

(01:05:38):
she's asking permission to see it suggests that she is
curious and that with proper guidance, and perhaps the answer
is watch it together and see what the reaction is.
Monitor it. You know, I think that we all in
my generation seventy five, we had concerns from parents about

(01:06:02):
lighting us watch Superman, that we were all going to
try to fly out or a window of some was
building and it didn't happen. Of course some did, unfortunately
do that sort of terrible, terrible thing. But I think
it depends on the individual, and that's the real Rosetta stone,
if you will, that needs to be discovered. How do

(01:06:25):
you understand when a person can discern and keep the
humanity and seeing the violence and understand what it represents
as opposed to someone who sees it as a titillation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Doctor Sell joining us on our Newsmaker line, and you know,
Mom and Daddy made great advice. You've got to you've
got to make the determination whether your children take a
look at what we've seen in the past week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I had so many more questions for the doctor, but
we got to keep going. But there's a lot to
unpack here with what what we're living through. Yeah, there's
a lot to there's a lot to discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Sure he is all right. Our listen back Friday segment
is coming your way next on you Utah's Talk Radio
one All five dined can ars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I am so grateful that we have seen that loop
closed and that this assassin was arrested early in the
early mornings of this Friday twelfth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
You know, I think we all need to find a
distraction this weekend. So may take in a football game.
You know what I may do? What cut my grass?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
You always cut your grass? Just you know, I may
just cut my diligently. I just hope Queen Bee doesn't
listen to you in your in your green thumb. You
you do a lot of work in your yard.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah, well, try to keep it up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I try. I try to duck it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
It's the one piece of manual labor I get anymore.
So I've got take advantage of it, don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
No, I don't know what you're talking about. Didn't you
fill that bucket as a kid and a young adult?

Speaker 18 (01:07:42):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I checked that box.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Okay, all right, well let's continue here on the Ritting
Great Show. Time now for our listen back Friday segments.
We do this every week at this time where we
look back at the newsmakers and the issues we discussed
this week. There were certainly a lot of them. The President,
I think he mentioned this on Fox and Friends this
morning that the most violent city in America today is Memphis,

(01:08:04):
and that's where he's sending the National Guardian. Apparently we
spoke earlier this week with Glenn Beaton. He's a columnist
with the Aspen beat talking about Chicago and what needs
to take place in Chicago, and Glenn basically said, let's
just leave it alone.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Yeah, I'm not so sure about Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Shreveport.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
You know that this goes on and on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Every big city in America practically has real crime problems.
And in these big cities like Chicago, this is business
as usual. There's nothing out of the ordinary about this.
This is the way it's been going for years now.
I'm glad Trump went into d C. But d C
is a special case. D C is under the jurisdiction

(01:08:47):
of the federal government. There's a home rule legislation law
there that gives limited home rule.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
To d C, but it is part of the federal system. Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
These people, I think have the right to say we
don't want them. If they want to live with their crime,
if they want to deal with nightly muggings, rapes, murderers,
et cetera.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
I think that's kind of their business. And you know,
they make their bed, let them sleep in it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I couldn't agree with you more. I actually think that
So everything you said, Amen, if you go back to
Los Angeles, so that's not a federal district. But they
did bring in the military in the National Guard there,
But I would argue that that was two days at
least of rioting before he called them in, and they
were protecting federal facilities, be it the ice facilities or
the agents that were working to enforce federal law. If

(01:09:39):
there's a federal nexus, I can see where there is
a role. But I would think that you would want
to look at maybe those states that are republican, where
you have a Republican governor who wants to get deal
with the cartels or the issues that are confronting their
state that maybe local law enforcement and maybe a liberal
run city in a red state is not really getting

(01:09:59):
a comp Do you see a role for the federal
for President Trump or a federal role for for say,
immigration enforcement, Uh in a in a blue city in
a red state.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
Uh, a blue city in a red state.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I think if he's called on by a red governor
in a red state, fine, that's different. You know, the
the red governor ultimately has responsibility for a blue city.
You know, that's the way the system works. But the
president doesn't have responsibility for the states. In our system
of federalism, you know that the states are their own entities.

(01:10:36):
It's not like the state's answer to the federal government.
That is not our system. People typically assume that, you know,
the federal government is supreme, and there is such a
thing as the Supremacy Cause Clause of the US Constitution.
But that doesn't mean that the federals defense are the
boss of the states. That's not that's not our system. Now,

(01:10:57):
is your example of l A. I think you're exactly right.
The key difference with LA is they were attacking federal facilities.
They were attacking immigration stations, and I think, yeah, if
they start attacking federal facilities in Chicago or Jeez, for
that matter, Puerto Rico or France, I think the freds
have a responsibility and a right to go in and

(01:11:20):
protect the property of the United States. But that's not
the that's not the situation in Chicago. This is just
business as usual in Chicago. You know, there's the usual rapes, murders,
et cetera, et cetera. They live with it. They seem
okay with it. Well, okay, let them have at it.
Maybe they kill I'll kill one another.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, Glenn you make an interesting point. You know, we
have heard people in Chicago who say, bring in the
National Guard. We want safety here, we want safety. But
you make a very good point. They've chosen this, I mean,
they've chosen the elected leaders who are allowing this soft
on crime approach. So how do they defend this because
they chose to live this way? Apparently?

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
You know, if they want to live in a different situation,
if they want the law to be enforced there, if
they want the criminals to be put in jail, then
elect different leaders. But they seem unwilling to do that. Now,
when I say they, of course i'm grouping them all
together and that's not exactly fair. But the great majority
of them fall into that category of they.

Speaker 6 (01:12:23):
So yes, well what about the ones who don't fall
into that category?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Chicago is overwhelmingly Democrat, but that doesn't mean that every
single resident is a Democrat. I'm sure there's some Republicans there,
and I'm sure some Republicans would like to see.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
The law enforce.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Well, my advice to those Republicans, as I wrote my blog,
is move out, get the heck out of the place,
Move to Texas, moved to Florida moved to Galt's goals.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
You guys know what Golt's goal choose?

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Yes, Yeah, to your point, there was actually this morning
I've read the Chicago Alderman actually broke ranks with the
Democrat colleagues and said, I actually think we need federal
assistance here. It's so out of out of control. But
he's one voice out of a out of a city government.
Uh but let me ask you this. I actually like
that President Trump even I like the fact that he

(01:13:14):
said to the public, I think we need to get
in there. I think we need to deal with these
murders that are happening every day. Because it almost trolled
the governor Pritzker and Chicago into defending lawlessness. You saw
them say this is no big deal. Hey, we kind
of what you're saying. But they were with they're responsible,
but they're going, uh huh, we these these deaths. Do
you know what Ariot's in We don't care. We don't

(01:13:34):
care if this is happening. I mean, this isn't the
Trump can't come in here. I think it is exposed
the state of uh, the state of Illinois and the
city of Chicago for pretty bad priorities. So that could
that have been this President's strategy is to just kind
of he knows they hate everything he says, so he's
going to say something pretty intuitive and watch them, you know,
hang themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Are you suggesting that President Trump patrol the Democrats?

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
Yes, you know, I think I think there is an
element of that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
He obviously enjoys doing it, and there's a political payoff
to it. And as you as you mentioned, he shines
the light on this stuff, make them defend the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yes, have they done a very good job in defending.

Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
Well, they look terrible. They look terrible. And what's going
to happen in d C?

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
You know, you had Senator Schumer saying no effing way
would he go past thirty days on the National Guard
presence in d C? Well, you got murderers, car jackings,
violent crime way down. It's pretty hard to pull the
rug out from under the national Guard and see violent
crime go back up after this, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
That's right, A lot to count for if they do, And.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
I think, go ahead, But I was just going to
say that, you know, this sets a good example. Are
there are residents of Chicago who are actually paying attention.
I'm just gonna vote the way their tribe tells them to,
and they're gonna say, well, gee, it worked in It
worked in d C to up the law enforcement, and
maybe that could work here.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
Well, you know, duh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
On our newsmaker line Glenn Beaton from the Aspen beat
More coming up on The Rodden Greg Show. In Utah's
Talk Ridio one O five to nine, kay An arrests.
It kind of tells you where this country is right now. Greg.
I think when prayer becomes a controversy, it's prayer and
it's now controversy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
In this it's actually ticked me off. I mean, I
don't like to cast my pearls upon swine and tell
people about my faith and how strong I feel. I
just keep that personal. But man, when people start mocking
and dismissing the power of prayer, it does get my
backup and it makes me defend it because I know
it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Yeah, it's amazing. Well, earlier this week, we had a
chance to talk with the editor of Real Clear Religion.
His name is Andrew Fowler, about the importance of prayer,
and he's looked at the science and says prayer actually works.
We asked him about what has happened in Minneapolis and
Charlotte and his reaction to this.

Speaker 19 (01:16:05):
My first reaction was, actually, we need more thoughts and prayers.
We're a society that has increasingly lost the sight of
prayer and what that actually means, it's, you know, it's
developing a relationship with God, but and also just religious practice.

Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
So when.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
When you had these.

Speaker 19 (01:16:26):
Political commentators, you know, basically belittling the idea of thoughts
and prayers. Sure, there's you know, righteous in dignation from
their point of view, right that the time and time again,
these tragedies keep happening and it is a tragedy and
that needs to be solved. But you know, you had
others who were quick to emphasize, you know, prayer is

(01:16:49):
is much needed, is actually important, is vital in times
of anguish and darkness. So that was my initial reaction
and then going first Ether, it was, well, you know
a lot of people propose gun reform or mental health
changes to mental health policies, et cetera, et cetera, which

(01:17:10):
you know, or could be well intentioned, but I think
that it's just masking the overall issue, which is there's
this sort of happiness crisis, a lack of prayer crisis
in America because you see, with some stats and the
science proves it that prayer is not just a spiritual

(01:17:31):
sort of you know, mumbo jumbo neurosis, but actually physically,
emotionally and spiritually effective for the individual and society at large.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I was very intrigued. I love I love the article.
You're saying that even for the agnostics or atheists out there,
the heathens as I call them, they there is scientific
evidence out there that that this does work. So my
response when seeing this nationally of people berating or demeaning
the power of prayer is I got it on social media,

(01:18:03):
and my thing was that sounds like a you problem
that I don't. I don't think you can take the
percentage of Americans who identify with a religious faith and
summarily reject them all or say that none of them
know what they're talking about and none of them have
any right to find strength and prayer. So my question is,
do they do the math? Do they understand that they
are actually condescending to and attacking a great majority of

(01:18:25):
Americans in this country when they demean the power of prayer.

Speaker 19 (01:18:29):
I mean, I would think so. And also I think
it's just ignoring the overall crisis that I that I
see going on. It's you know, I think this is
a Pew Pew research surveys found that people who are
more religiously inclined or at least practice their faith regularly

(01:18:50):
or more typically engaged. And what you have now is
you have, you know, a generation or two that have
been told, you know, spiritual rigor is not totally necessary,
that everyone is just fine, and that you know, and
that leaves the door open to you know, for it
to pursue worldly ambitions and pleasures. But as as they

(01:19:11):
say in the article, I quote Saint John Across who says,
you know, none of those things can fill the infinite caverns.

Speaker 12 (01:19:17):
In our hearts.

Speaker 19 (01:19:17):
You know only God can do that. But you know,
you really have this crisis of faith or these these
crises for younger people who you know, who you know
went through and during the pandemic, who there you know,
see that the American dream is more unattainable. You see
these wars and crises, these pop up across the world

(01:19:40):
and widening, you know, political divide. It's like where else
can we turn? Because we've turned too much from God
and I think it's uh, you know, prayer. If we
want to try to fix I think the American society
and see the inherent and dignity and other people and
in ourselves that we are loved by an infinite creator.

(01:20:03):
Prayer is the place to do it first. It's the
place to seek wisdom. It's the place to cultivate love
for not only ourselves and for God, but for others.
And I think that's why you see these you know,
it's like the shooter of this immense tragedy, uh you know,

(01:20:26):
he obviously wrestled with his you know, the demons and uh,
you know, unfortunately he lost. But and also to for
these commentators to to to demean in a way the
last things that these survivors were doing, which was prayer.

(01:20:46):
I mean, you know, being Catholic, I think they're I
would think that they're martyrs for the faith. It's it's
just it's it's insulting to the last thing that they
were doing. And hopefully that at this point that they're
you know, and also means the families who are going
through that tragedy as well. I can't imagine the pain

(01:21:08):
and suffering that they're going through. And uh, you know,
it's God is not absence in our in our suffering.
In fact, he's with us even more in our suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Andrew, you mentioned that people are turning away from God
or there has been a generation that has turned away
from God. But we're learning now studies are showing that
some generations, probably more so with gen Z, are turning
back toward prayer. What do you think is going on
back toward finding of faith?

Speaker 19 (01:21:34):
Yeah, so I don't I want to express some cautious
optimism in a way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
True.

Speaker 19 (01:21:40):
I mean, it's it's definitely good that that there is
a sort of this return to UH.

Speaker 10 (01:21:47):
To some truths.

Speaker 19 (01:21:48):
So people are searching for meaning and for UH again
the truth, and and Christ is the truth and uh,
that's the old He's the only one that can satisfy
our hungry hearts. It's the you know Saint Augustine quote,
you know you can't you know, our hearts are not
rest until they rest in You, a Lord. I think

(01:22:11):
that's that should be the the motto going forward for
these these gen Zers and millennials who are returning. And
it is encouraging. I think it is an encouraging science.
But hopefully the Holy Spirit is at work.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
On our newsmaker line part of our Listen Back Friday presentation,
our conversation earlier this week with Andrew Fowler talking about prayer.
All right, we've talked about an exhausting week. Hope everybody
takes time just to get away from it for a
minute and try and enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Have a good weekend, folks. We got football going. When
does I don't know that the Ryder Cup doesn't start
this weekend, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
I think it's a huge fight Canelo Avarez Bud Crawford.
If you're boxing fan, that's going to be a big,
big fight. So all it's on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
College football, high school football, professional football, and baseball playoffs
are getting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Goun to our lady listeners. Sorry, we didn't give you
any anything to do, but you know that's that was
that's at least what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Go see Downton Abbey.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Yeah, Downton Abbey.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Hey, Ray wants the same wich. Here we go. All right,
that doesn't for this week here on The Roden Gregg
Show has always great to be with you. Head up,
shoulders back made, God bless you and your family. This
great country of ours. Have a good weekend everybody. We'll
talk to you Monday at four

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