The Rod and Greg Show: The Democratic Party is in Deep Trouble; Have People Stopped Listening to the Mass Media?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I just wanted to snow in the mountains and be
dry and nice in the valley.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I don't know if that's possible.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last I swear last year that's what they said. They
said they have a giant snow back up in those
mountains and we didn't have to deal with any of
it on the valley floor.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Sign me up that going on.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
That's why I have to have a bigger carbon footprint
for this to happen again.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
What do I have to do. I'm ready to do it. Yeah,
that may be okay. You gotta get a bigger carbon
foot for the if you would.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
For the benefit of in the quality of life of
all of our listeners and myself. I'm prepared to do that.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
It is great to be with you on this Tuesday afternoon.
We've got a dynamite show giming your way again today.
You know, I think our guests coming up before twenty
I think he put it right, Greg. He said the
war had the battle was won, Okay, and we're talking
about the election on Tuesday. But then he says the
war has just begun. Donald Trump is pledging to the

(00:52):
American people, Greg that he is going to change Washington.
What a task that's going to be. I mean, yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
And the reason it feels differently, and the reason why
you have world leaders that are actually pivoting away from
their previous comments, and you're hearing world leaders that are
expressing a desire to work with the United States, and
you're even seeing our even departments like ice that are
everyone's generali energized and anyway, the reason you're seeing all

(01:21):
that is these are not just promises, and we have
to see if he can figure it out before he
does it. This is a president that, under the hardest,
I think most extreme circumstances in his first term, was
able to do an incredible amount of good. And now
as you see him assemble this cabinet and putting this
administration together, all signs point up to me I think
he's I think he is going to be able to

(01:41):
do it. And I think everyone senses that about this
leader is that this is a leader if you were
ever going to do it. We're in that window right now.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
And he's moving quickly. More appointments announced today. We'll get
into that in a little bit a little bit later
on there. One of the things that he has told
the American people he would do greg Is mass deportations. Yes,
there are some in the country who are freaking out
over that, when in fact, deportations have been a part
of this country's history for a long long time. But

(02:11):
we want to hear from the listeners today. I think
on mass deportations, you know, I think if I don't
like the word mass, I want to say targeted deportations.
Maybe that's the better way to frame it. But we'll
talk about that, a lot of talk about what he'll
do on the education front. Are you in favor of
getting rid of the education Department? Yes, sign me? Yeah, Yeah,

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we'll get into that. And then this article today in
the Tribune written by Janna Reeves. We've had Jenna on
the show before, but I think she's comparing uh, members
of the LDS Faith who voted for Donald Trump, okay,
to members of the LDS Faith back in Germany who
supported Adolf Hitler. It's just.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
We're still there. We're still going there.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, we're still going there. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, it
sure is.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
So.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
So we've got a lot to get to today. As always,
we invite you to be a part of the program.
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all right, we want to start off the show today.
We'll talk about this in a minute. It's funny, Greg
that Democrats are still claning each other's eyes out. I

(03:21):
know they're trying to fit what happened. I mean, they
can't figure it out. Greg.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Folks, you've got to love these moments. You're not going
to get a lot of them in life. And when
they just when they turn on each other and it
is it is claws out and I just love it.
I just can't get enough of it. I just I
watch all the ranting and the tantrums and doctor Jill
Biden just totally snubbing Kamala yesterday. It is beautiful. It's good.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
How about Millennia telling Jill Biden, you know, not coming
by the White House for tea tomorrow. I've got my reasons.
And the reasons were.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Mari A Laga Ma. They raided their home with like
swat gear on. They went through her underwear drawer, they went,
I mean they went, they really violated this woman's privacy
and I think that where you know, Trump is getting
together with Biden. You've got a president coming in and
you've got to have that meeting. That's you got to
be professionals. But there's no niceties that need to be
shared between Joe Biden and Milania Trump. I think that,

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And that's what I think. Malania Trump saying, I've been
first lady, I know the gig. I don't need I
don't need this, and you treated us pretty, treat us
like criminals.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So why why should I go have tea with you
after you went through my underwear drawer?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't blame her at all. Lead story yesterday, and
I think you touched on this very very briefly. Maybe
we didn't mention it on the air, but the top
story in the Washington Post yesterday was it was a
story about advising liberals how to move to another country.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I just love, love, love it to death. I love it,
love it, love it. It's a travel guide five countries
and what you need to know to be able to
relocate there. Well, please do I hope they're all every
reader of the Washington Post is eligible for this.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
You know this?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
What do you call it? It's not migration, it's expats. Leave.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Just leave, go leave, just leave. See you later. Well,
the story in the Gateway Pundon today had it that
it was the most red story in the Washington Post.
I love it now, one of the here's one of
the reactions. Okay, this was from somebody who actually liked
the idea. Don't these countries have apps where you can

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apply for asylum and then they'll just fly you in,
put you up in a nice hotel and give you
vouchers for culturally appropriate food.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I love it, Yeah, Kenny, Yeah, it seems to be
all the rage here. Can we just do that where
we go somewhere else?

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
No, I don't think so. I think you're going to
find that process a little more arduous than the one
we've just lived here over the last four years.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You think I would agree with you. Now, let's talk
a little bit more that. What is it greg about
the Democrats and the legacy media in this entry who
still hadn't been able to put a finger on why
Kamala lost. They're still trying to figure it out. Like
Karubik's cube. They can't mean take out. Is it that

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hard to realize that she was a horrible candidate. She
never shared other than abortion, where she stood on the
issues that the American people are most concerned about. But
they can't get it, and they're just clawing each other's
eyes out, blaming each other. Pelosi the other day. I
think we talked about this the other day, blaming poor
Joe Biden. If Joe would have gotten out of the

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way earlier, it would have given Kamala a chance to
establish herself and show the American people what she really
and who she really is. Do we want to know?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
No? No, I don't think she. She looked if there
was going to be a primary, if they had to
let RFK Junior and you know the other gentleman, that
there was a lot of people that wanted to run
and didn't think Joe could make it through a whole election.
Wish they were correct. I don't think Kamala Harris would
have been the nominee. Yeah, I don't think she would
have because I think her twenty four race would look

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much like it did in nineteen. Before they got to
even twenty where she didn't make it to Iowa, she
was already gone. I don't think she'd have made it.
So I think they have a lot. There are people
that could be frustrated by that, but I'm not. I
actually love the way they contradict themselves at every turn.
Now they can't even get that it was an embarrassment
to say we want to defend democracy when they parachuted

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her in Now they want her to be president. They
have not learned a single lesson. They're saying, well, why
don't why doesn't Biden just step down and just make
him make her president so that you don't have any vote,
you don't even get a general election vote, you have
her as president. It is it's kind of farcicol. It
would be funny if it wasn't sad.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, folks out there, get ready to hold onto your
hats because the president, the incoming president, President elect Trump
is moving quickly today naming Mike Huckabee to be the
ambassador to Israel. He is a big supporter of Israel, Yes,
and they like him in Israel, so that's where they stand.
John Ratliffe named CIA director. John Ratliffe is a great choice.

(08:04):
Dead up the CIA. You're laughing over?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Can I can I read the statement from President Trump?
This is statement from President Donald J. Trump. I'm a plea.
I'm pleased to announce that former Director of National Intelligence
John Ratcliffe will serve as the director of the Central
Intelligence Agency. From exposing fake Russian collusion to be a
Camp A Clinton campaign operation to catching the FBI's abuse

(08:27):
of civil liberties at the FISA court, John Ratcliffe has
always been a warrior for truth and honesty with the
American public. When fifty one intelligence officials were lying about
Hunter Biden's laptop, there was one John Ratcliffe telling the
truth to the American people, and he was And it
isn't it great though, that he doesn't just announce it

(08:48):
or his au. He just wants you to know Russian collusion,
pies a court, lying to the phies of Court and
surveilling us on during our campaign, and hunter'sp they completely
bannon and it was completely legit.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
You know, I'm excited about the appointments he's made so far.
But there's a report out there, Greg and you and
I I think we agree on this. Christy Nolm, the
governor of South Dakota, Yeah, to be head of the
Homeland Security Department. So this is one I'm going where's
that coming from.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, here's the interesting thing about that one. We'll also
have to see how this plays out. But people have
been saying, hey, it's amazing how there hasn't been leaks
on who's being considered on these From if you look
at him back in twenty sixteen whenty one, there were
a lot of leaks on who he was looking at.
There's been no leaks. You just find out after, like
you find out who gets picked until you get to her,

(09:40):
and it's almost like it's a trial below. I think
I think it might be a truck because it's not
an official I've read it that this is what people
are being told, But this one's leaked interestingly enough, and
it happens to be a name that was kind of
a conservative star for a while, but the star kind
of faded out or her dog, Yeah, a weird biography

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and everything else. She just kind of fizzled it. But
that would be the person that if you wanted to
put into your administration. You might want to check the
pulse and see what people are thinking. And I don't
know that that one's going to be one people are
overly excited about.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Not a big fan of.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I'm still waiting for where Tulsea Gabbard's going. I want
to see her in an important role. She knows a lot.
She's she's military, she served this country in the military.
I just would love to see her in there. And
we know r if K Junior is going to have
some role. I mean, the President's already said that, but
we just don't know what.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Micha Lee is still on the list for Attorney general too.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't want that. I don't want. I do not
want that. We're not going to be able to trade
up for Senator if he leaves the state. And I'm
telling you we need him in that Senate.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, we sure do. All right, We've got a lot
to get to when we come back. As I mentioned,
the battle has been won, but the war is just beginning.
We'll talk about that coming up next right here on
the Rodden Graig Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k NRS. I love this next story, and
that's why we wanted to bring on our next guest, Greg,
because I you would agree with me on this one.
I Mean, we won the best last weekend, last last Tuesday,

(11:02):
right that was the battle that we had to won,
had to win. But now the war is just beginning
and It's not going to be an easy one, is it.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
It is not. I mean, it is everything that we're seeing,
even every every every comment that the president made, every
campaign promise, but now words towards that direction they're going
to be described and framed by the left. Is the
destruction of a civil society as and so yeah, it's
and it is a deeply divided country. Even when President
Trump wins a popular vote, there's still a lot of

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people out there, as we see, that don't want to
accept that reality.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is
Bob Mainstro's. He is a messaging and communications specialist also
contributes to Issues and Insights. Joining us on our Newsmaker
line right now, Bob, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
I'm very well, Bob.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
I'm excited about last week's election, but also very realistic
as you could tell.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yes, Bob, what kind of a war are we looking at?
Do you feel.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
Well? If you check out my article in Issues and Insights,
and thank you for the plug, it's it's exactly what
you're going to what you're going to read in this
last paragraph, You're gonna you're gonna have a prolonged siege
of law, fair forum shops, court challenges, scorched start rhetorics, media,

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gas lighting, tech textorship, deep state de bients, and uniparty vetos.
I mean, we're going to be fighting our own. Well,
I'm no longer a Republican, but the Republicans will be
fighting themselves, right, there will be wars. You're going to
have to fight the uniparty elements. And we've talked about
this in prior discussion. Washington has a way, right, So

(12:44):
just take what happened in the last administration. Uh, Donald
Trump had some executive orders, and every time he tried
to do something, there was a forum shop lawsuit in
some district court in California which declared a nationwide injunction
and stopped it all over the country. And he had
to fight, fight, fight all the way up to the
Supreme Court, which reversed him. But that it was months

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and months of getting there. Now, imagine there are mass
deportations you're attempting with tens of thousands and hundreds of
thousands of people, and each one of them sues, right,
and there's a lawsuit somewhere and even even sometimes these
cases are going to get up to the Supreme Court.
You're going to get a surprise, right, You've got a
surprise a few years ago on the Dreamers. Uh yeah,

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they refused to uh reverse that regulation because with some
administrative procedure, even though it was wrongly put in place,
you still had to have the right administrative great procedure
under that under the Administrative Procedures Act to reverse it.
So you lost on a technicality, and then you get
a strange interpretation of Title seven and the transgender agenda

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gets preserved by one of Trump's own appointees. So you
never know where these bounce balls are going to bounce.
You never know how these things are going to turn on,
and they're going to be a you know, they're going
to be lawsuits, they're going to be protests, there's going
to be screaming. You know, there's going to be all
kinds of stuff going on, and it is going to
be a flog every step of the way.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
So let me ask you this question. And because I
found these public statements from the governors in these blue
states after Trump won on an election night to be odd.
We still live in a state of Utah where we
the federal government and their control of federal lands. Sixty
five plus percent of the State of Utah's lands are
federally owned, and we feel the heavy hand of a
federal government, the bler of land management and others all

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the time. So I don't know what advantages states would
have against the Trump administration. But you've got Gavin Newsom
going into a special session that he's going to fight
President Trump. You've got the Washington incoming, Washington Governor Bob Ferguson,
Illinois JB. Pritzker. I saw the governor of New Jersey.
What is it that they think they can even do

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that would interrupt federal law or the enforcement of federal law.
These states and these.

Speaker 6 (15:03):
Governors start with Letitia James, the lawfair champion against she said,
interestingly enough, she of all the things that she could
focus on, she focused on federal spending. Okay, you try
to reverse a federal spending program, We're going to take
it to court. And she listed actions that she had

(15:27):
she had taken in the previous Trump uh the ac
OU pointed to some three hundred suits they brought against
the president. You know, so there's a there's an incredible
month that can do in the courts of Newsom. You mentioned,
Newsom specified that his special session was going to be
to set aside legal resources. Now, this is a state

(15:49):
that's bankrupt, right, but they're going to certify legal resources
to fight Trump. You're going to find a lot of
this going on in the courts, but you will also
find efforts in the court of public opinion. We're all
aware of Scott Rasmus and the terrific Republican polster. He
points to a one percent and I talked a little
bit about them in the article too. He says they

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exist in a different bubble. I'm quoting now. They reject
America's bounding of the ideals and even don't think we
should be able to vote unless we have a college degree.
But he also points out, and again quoting, they own, operate,
and control the organs of information exchange exchange sorry that
ideally would keep the public accurately informed. And they also

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control institutions and mechanisms of regulatory power that are immune
to the checks and balances of elections. So what he's
referring to there is the deep state. Yeah, now it
is hard to dislodge the deep state. I'll give you
another quick example when I was a council on Capitol Hill.

Speaker 7 (16:53):
I was part of an effort.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
To expose corruption at the Legal Services Corporation. Ron Reagan
tried to zero it out every year. He couldn't do
it by the but so he cut it. By the
time he uh, he was out of office a couple
of years, it was back up to its funding. Donald
Trump all four years tried to get rid of the
Legal Services Corporation. He couldn't do it. What is the

(17:15):
Legal Services Corporation supposed to do? It's supposed to help
people with will, that's supposed to help people with divorces.
That's helped you know, you know Leno tenant stuff, that
sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
What does it do?

Speaker 6 (17:25):
It brings these same kind of lawsuits, you know that
that challenge federal power, that would have challenged Donald Trump
on the on the part they're all politicized lasses So
that is one example of the deep States. And then
you also have Chuck Schumer saying, don't take on the CIA,
Donald Trump, because they have ways of getting at you.
And he warned him, and he did and they.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Did so they tried, that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Did they brought down They tied him up?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
They sure did Bob, great, great conversation. Appreciate your time today. Uh,
and we'll have to see what happens. Is going to
be interesting couple of years.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Well, the antidote is you two keep talking. You keep talking.
That's the way to fight that.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
All right, Bob, thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
We planned to and you keep writing these great articles
because they get us ramped up.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, it does, Bob mainstros he is managing and communications strategy, messaging,
i should say, contributes to issues and insights more coming
up on the Rotten Gregg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS. I
think it's fair to say there has been a lot
of what would you call it, whaling and gnashing of
teeth among the Democrats following last Tuesday Night's loss to

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Donald Trump in the fight for the White House.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Weeping and whaling, weeping, whaling, nashing of teeth.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, and the media has gone through it. The politicians
are going through it. They're still trying to figure out
who the heck they are and where the Democratic Party
goes from here. Well, what kind of trouble are they in?
Joining us on our Newsmaker light right now is John
Hinderocker John Wright for power Line does a great job there. John,
Thanks for joining us this afternoon. Let me start off

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by asking you, John, how deep is the trouble that
the Democrats are in right now?

Speaker 8 (19:11):
Well?

Speaker 5 (19:12):
I think it's pretty deep.

Speaker 8 (19:13):
You know, this election obviously was very disappointed the Democrats,
and it's easy to explain why Trump won. I mean,
the Democrats had this fiasco of Joe Biden being senile,
unable to run. They had to switch it and switch
in Kamala Harris at the last moment, and she turned
out to be a pretty lousy candidate, and she got

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a lot of abuse for, among other things, not being
willing or able even to say what her position was
on various issues. And so she was described by one
commentator as the no comment candidate, which we've probably never
seen before in the history of presidential politics. So it's

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not hard to understand why the Democrats lost this elect
But the point that I made in the post that
you're talking about there is that the Democrats' problems go
a lot deeper than Joe Biden's dementia and Kamala Harris's
skills as a politician. The real problem the Democrats have

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is they got to figure out.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
What they stand for.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
What is the platform on which future Democratic candidates are
going to be able to run, And that's.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
A very hard question to answer.

Speaker 8 (20:32):
The one policy issue that Kamala Harris was always happy
to talk about and that other Democrats are always happy
to talk about is abortion. And so we know that
going forward, the Democratic Party is the party of abortion.
But when you get beyond that issue, and I talk
about about this in some detail in my post, it

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is very hard to say what today's Democratic Party stands for.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
So here's that's my question. I love this topic because
I the no comment candidate. I was saying throughout, we
were saying throughout this election that the reason that she's
painted into such a corner is that her coalition of
voters was so frail, meaning that if she did have
a comment and she took a hard position, she would
be alienating many of the party. If she takes a
position in Pennsylvania that could lose her Michigan and vice versa.

(21:23):
They the Democrats always prided themselves in having a big
ten and I've even seen times when their policies conflicted.
Get rid of the combustible engines and the long haul
truckers all on the same side because the enemy of
their enemy was their friend. You didn't see that this time.
You're seeing these this big tent fragment in terms of
they're not tolerant of issues or people in that tent

(21:43):
that might have issues that are different than theirs. Going forward,
does that continue to fragment and do they have to
come up with actual policies or can they fall back
to this Republicans are bad and everything and just be
critics of the Republicans trying to get votes again.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
Well, that's a great question, and I think the answer
is they can't forever run on not being Republicans, right,
they have some kind of an.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Identity that appeals to the voters.

Speaker 8 (22:11):
I think we saw that in spades in the twenty
twenty four election. And one of the problems they're going
to have. I don't write about this in my post,
but it's worth mentioning here. They ran against Donald Trump
on the theory that he's a fascist, that he's Hitler
and he's a Nazi. Well, and that didn't work for
a lot of reasons. But for one thing, it didn't
work because Trump's already been the president for four years

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obviously he wasn't Hitler, he wasn't the Nazi, and so on.
He's now about to be the president for four more years,
and again it's going to be blindingly obvious that he's
not Hitler, he's.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Not a Nazi, he's not a fascist.

Speaker 8 (22:49):
And so you know, going forward, I think it's going
to be very difficult for them to trot out those
same old insults and think they're going to fly. But
if you look at what historically the Democratic Party has
has stood for even in recent years, I think it's
getting very difficult. So for example, just a few years ago,
the real energy in the Democratic Party was among socialists,

(23:12):
some of their seemingly up and coming young House members
AOC people like that were members of the Democratic Socialists
of America. Bernie Sanders, of course, the grand old man
of socialism. But the bloom is off that rose. I mean,
nobody around the world takes socialism seriously as an ideology.

(23:34):
It's a failed ideology that is being rejected, has been
rejected everywhere. And in fact, the best demographic, the core
demographic for the contemporary Democratic Party is voters earning more
than two hundred thousand dollars a year well, it's very
difficult to come out as a socialist party if your

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core voters are people making more than two hundred grand Right,
that's not going to work. So what are the Democrats
going to do become the party of tax cuts?

Speaker 5 (24:07):
I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
So you look at issue after issue energy for example,
you know, they tell us, oh, we got to be
net zero, we got to be all win, all solar,
no coal, no natural gas. You got to have this
big energy transition. We got to have electric vehicles. But
they can't come out and say the truth, which is
that they want gasoline to be so expensive that we

(24:31):
can't afford to buy it. Every once in a while,
the Democrat, like Barack Obama's energy secretary, will actually come
out and say that, but he tends not to last
very long in his job.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Because Americans vote vote for expensive gas, they won't vote
for expensive electricity. And so we see this ridiculous situation
where the Democrats do everything they can to suppress the
production of oil and gas, but then when you election
season comes around, they release millions and millions of barrels

(25:04):
from the Strategic Petroleum Fund, which of course is not
what it's for to try to bring down the price
of gasoline.

Speaker 8 (25:12):
So they are enmeshed in a hopeless contradiction and they
can't really run on what they believe, which is that
we Americans live too well and need to reduce our
standard of living.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, John, I think it's fair to say that the
Democratic Party now has the label of being the party
of the coastal elite. They used to be the party
of the people, the working class Americans. Can they get
that label back, John, or things got to drastically change,
and I don't see it happening overnight. How do they
get it back if they.

Speaker 8 (25:44):
Can, well, I don't think they can get it back.
You know, these are fundamental shifts in how the public
perceives the parties, and the public has come to view
the Republicans as the party of the working man and
the Democrats is the party of you know, coastal elites,
as you said, and so forth, and those kinds of

(26:05):
perceptions you can't change on a dime. You know, you
can't come up with a new campaign slogan and think
that it's going to change how people see you. So
I would say that they can't. They can't bring about
that kind of a change unless they're willing to go
back to square one and start coming out in favor
of some very different policies.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
John Hinderocker joining us from power Line, talking about the
trouble that the Democratic Party is in, and Greg, I
think they're in a lot of trouble because the various
factions this coalition that made up the Democratic Party, and
Kamala Harris, to her fault, was not strong enough to say,
you know, we're going to ignore you on this because
this issue is important, so just sit down and shut up. Yeah,

(26:47):
and she was afraid to tell him to do that.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm telling you, for the longest time, and I'm talking
a span of decades, it was amazing how disciplined their
Democrat big tent was. I could not understand how Washington
County in Pennsylvania, which was coal country, was voting for
Barack Obama when he was vowing to get rid of
coal and they were actually doing it. And it seemed

(27:10):
like they were just very disciplined in keeping everybody on
the same note, like the enemy of my enemy is
my friend. They're not that way. You're not seeing that.
And what you're really seeing, which is fun, is a
big tent where there is a common mindset at common
It's not just the Democrats are our enemies. It's common sense,
it's you know, it's our families, it's all the things

(27:30):
that everyday Americans really do, prioritize the economy of inflation.
We are actually a genuine big tent right now with
the Republicans, and that's where I'm excited to see where
things go. And I don't think that Democrats can compete
with that. They don't have any ideas that are going
to bring people back together.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think it is going to be very difficult unless
they do. I don't know what they would do. I
don't know if it'd take a certain candidate to lead
that party. But for them to now convince the American people, oh,
guess what, we are the party, the party of working
class Americans, middle class Americans. I don't know how they
convince Americans that, in fact they are unless there's a

(28:04):
candidate out there who can do it, and there are
a couple out there, but not too many.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Bill Clinton did it in his first term after he
lost this after they lost to set the House of
Representatives after forty years of Democrat it's the newt He
got up at the next State of the Union and
said the era of big government is over. Huh has
never been said by a Democrat before. And he balanced
the budget. They didn't, They didn't deficit spend, and so
he pivoted hard right after that first midterm. But you

(28:30):
don't have governors that are leading. He's president, but he
had a kind of a coalition of governors that were
kind of blue what they call him blue dogs. They
were kind of centrist Democrats. Show me where that is
in the party today.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
It doesn't exist anymore. All right, more coming up on
the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
So have you seen that. I couldn't understand Oprah getting
a million dollars and they say, oh, it's his harp
her Harpoe productions. It's two five hundred thousand dollars payments
and she produced this campaign event. Well, you'd think the
woman would do it in kind or the campaign. Well,
if you're endorsing somebody and you think you help the democracy, Yeah,
he's in the bounds. But worse than that, we're now

(29:08):
getting reports of other celebs that we're getting a lot
of money from the Kamala Harris campaign. On the Faulkner Report. Uh,
this is what what's her first name? What's Faulconer?

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
What's her Harris? Harris Faulkner. This is her question, here's
her question and her confusion. I share this, uh, this
this confusion. Let's see. Ready, over these numbers.

Speaker 9 (29:27):
Ten million dollars from Beyonce to step up and back
Kamala Harris publicly, five million for Megan the Stallion, three
million for Lizzo, one point eight million for em and
m I mean, is that normally how it goes? You
spend twenty million, you get yourself in debt to try
to get a bunch of rich celebrities on stage. I've
never seen that. Maybe I'm ignorant of the fact, but wow,

(29:50):
over these numbers.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, that's so right. Wow, I'm the same way. And
in the Beyonce ten, Mili, she didn't even do a concert.
That's a pretty easy ten. She got up there in
Houston and just said I like her, She's really great,
and then she walked. Yeah, and I am just telling
you one point eight million to Eminem. I don't even
know who Meghan the Stallion is. I don't even know
this person. Do you know you know who Meghan the

(30:13):
Stallion is?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
When she won that got up on stage and danced
very profound.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I knew, you know, because you're swiftye.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I knew you would appen. I knew you would do Yestine,
I did no for sure, I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Okay, Rod the Stallion coming back after this break, we're
going to talk about this part Department of Education. It's
we'll see, we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Donald Trump is moving very very quickly. And you know
what's different now, Greg, than what back in twenty sixteen.
These are loyalists. These are people who've you know, been
out there working for the president, defending what the president
needs to do. And these are loyalists. And I think
if Donald Trump learned one thing from his first go
round in washing it, it was do select people from

(30:59):
the swamp.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
We can we can think just rattle off the people
that he didn't know very well. Was was given high
praise Bolton, so many people that he didn't have, he
had not worked with in that in that arena, it
didn't go well. Now the people that he's choosing now,
they they're not They are eminently qualified for every position
he has appointed them to so far. But he has

(31:21):
a track record with him, He has interaction with him.
These are people he personally knows, and that trust level
is something that when he started his administration in twenty seventeen,
he did not have those those opportunities and so this
is why and that was a very and we all
say that's a very productive, very impactful term. Think what

(31:42):
we can do here where he has those allies now
that he knows and they've been through it. I mean,
these weren't easy times when he was president, and even
the four years in between, those are times where you
figure out who's who's made whose medal is strong enough
and persistent and you know, strong enough to prevail. And
so he's he's putting a good team.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
There is a lot to do. Of course, one of
his first priorities and you indicate where he stands on
the border with the selection of Tom Holman and Steven
Miller to head up the border, I think that's a
terrific idea. Tom Holman, who I we're trying to get
on the show next week. I think where hopefully we'll
get him on next Tuesday. We'll have to wait and see,
but we've made a proposal for him to come on
the on the show. But Steven Miller, these are hard

(32:24):
line immigration officials and that's exactly what we need.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Great we do, and you know what, you have cultivated
a great relationship with both of these individuals we're talking
about where Stephen Moore on on the budget side, but
Tom Holman for the borders are yeh Man. He came
and spoke to the Utah Share Association at their conference,
And this is a no nonsense guy and he does
call it as he's seen it. If you've watched any
of the clips that are online of his exchange with Congress,

(32:51):
he will not let you browbeat him on false narratives.
He will correct that record immediately. And I like his
attitude that the public servants work for the people. Yeah,
so the people are the boss, Yeah, not them.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Well, he's one of these no bs guys. I mean,
began his career as a cop in New York City.
Guy man get rid of it really.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Is and that's going to be and that's a position
that really needs that level of toughness and strength of will.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
There are so many tasks facing the incoming president. We
mentioned immigration, we mentioned the economy, we mentioned foreign policy.
The one that is being discussed quite a bit now
is what his plans are for the Department of Education.
He wants to get rid of it, right, he just
he does want to get rid of it. He also
has promised universal school choice, protections of prayer in public schools,

(33:41):
a prioritization of reading, writing, and arithmetic. What a unique idea,
and an ejection of leftist propaganda, a switch from tenure
to merit pay for teachers, and a federal reinforcement of
parental Right. So he's got a lot on his plate,
but number one, in my opinion, is get rid of
the Department of Education. What has it done for us?

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Great Jimmy Carter created in nineteen seventy nine, and it
was test scores haven't gone up? There hasn't You haven't
seen any value add other than the dollars that they
use to compel behavior in fifty states from all the
school districts to do what Washington d c. Tells them
to do. And I'm going to tell you, having been

(34:26):
a legislator and a lawmaker and been the chair of
Public Education House Education Committee for two terms and working
on that issue throughout my time in office, the Department
of Education and what they can force you going back
to George W. Bush and no child left behind. Those
mandates didn't fit in rural Utah. You couldn't find they
educated the teachers that they were requiring you to have

(34:47):
with miners and science that they were teaching as science.
That sounds great until you get to some communities where
you're very fortunate to have teachers with teaching certificates that
can be in those schools and with in front of
those kids. It doesn't work in Why what works in
Wyoming or Utah or Massachusetts or Maryland or Bridgia. None
of those things are carbon copies of each other. And

(35:09):
the people in those states and those school districts and
those teachers and those families, they know it's best for
their kids. That's all we're talking about. We're getting rid
of that bureaucracy. Some people are trying to say, including
the current Biden Secretary of Education, saying, if you get
rid of the Department of Education, you're going to lose
funding for students with disabilities, You're going to lose funding
for rural students, and you're going to lose programs that

(35:30):
make a college affordable, and you're going to lose the
title one. Kids that live in poverty, their lunch is
school lunch programs all that's going to go away. It
is not folks, that is a bluff. They use those
dollars as a stick. What we're talking about is getting
rid of bureaucracy and keeping that funding at home that
we would otherwise send to Washington.

Speaker 10 (35:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, Well what I find funny about this, Greg, is
there's such a discussion about this right now in Washington,
and it's going to be one of those hot topics
that we're going to have to deal with and the
incoming president will have to deal with team. But I
found it interesting. This was from April of nineteen seventy eight.
It is an editorial in the Washington Post, of all places. Now,

(36:09):
you would think the Post would be behind this idea
and protecting teachers. That's one of the reasons Jimmy Carter
proposed this. He wanted to make sure he had the
teachers' union behind him. Yes, okay, so this was a
way to protect them. What did the Washington Post say
about the Department of Energy? Hey, Education, Yeah, Department of Education.
We think it's a bad idea. Now, this is back

(36:31):
in nineteen seventy eight, and I have heard Greg, I
need to look this up up. When the Department of
Education was put together back in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine,
America was number one when it came to its students
in education. Right, do you know.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Where we ran today? I'm afraid twenty fourth.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, So we go from how many billions of dollars
trillion trillions have we spent on the Department of Education
and what has it gotten us?

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Nothing other than more bureau Think about this. The Biden
administration and their Department of Education have used your Title
I funds. You're talking your lunches for free and reduced
lunches for kids living in poverty, your individual education plans,
your special education for kids that need it. They send
that money to states, into their school districts. They've said,
you're getting none of it if you don't let that

(37:20):
boy into that girl's room, if you don't let that
boy into that locker room, you're going to get none
of those dollars. And you're talking back in the mid
two thousands, it was two hundred million dollars. I don't
know what the number is today, but it's a lot
bigger than that. They hang those kind of numbers over
these school districts' heads, and so they're like, Okay, I
guess we're going to do this. It will just be

(37:42):
liberating to not have Washington DC dictating any of the
educational experience for our kids. We are going as a state,
We are well equipped to do this. Whether it's a
very very large size of our state budget, it's an
issue that's the top of mind for every voter, every
family in Utah, and the legislature feels that and that's
where those discussions need to happen, not in Washington d C.

(38:05):
Tell him fifty states the exact same story of what
they have to do.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, we'll get we want to talk more about this,
but I just see some breaking news coming across tonight.
Donald Trump has named Pete Haig Seth as Defense Secretary. Wow,
that's a bit of a surprise. That is if you
watch Fox News. He's a well known personality on Fox
News but has a lot of experience in the military
and just announced today Donald Trump naming Pete Haig Seth

(38:28):
as Defense Secretary a bit of a surprise.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I would think that surprises me nowhere.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
But he's a loyalist, you know, and he's.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
He's a veteran, and he's I mean, he has written
books on on on service in this country and what
so I think he's I think he's a thinker and
he's you know, he's been a Fox News reporter. Early
done commentary. But you know what I say, great, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
He's putting them together. But we want to know what
you think of eliminating the Department of Education because I
have said this for a long time. There are two
is this is one of them that I'd like to
see him get rid of. And why do we need
the EPA? Yeah, doesn't the state of Utah already have
a Department of Environmental Quality? Environmental Quality we call it Q.

(39:12):
Why do we need it at the federal level?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
We don't know. You might have needed it back when
you didn't have these on the state level, but you know,
and when Lake Erie was like a like a ketchup
bottle of water, Okay, that was coming out slow like ketchup.
You might have needed it back then, But today, not anymore.
We don't need it, not anymore. So we want to
hear from you tonight. We know there are a lot
of educators who listen to this show from just Great
Utah's who have an opinion about the Department of Education.

(39:37):
But I see no reason why, Greg, we could not
eliminate this, and I think we'd be we'd be better off. Well,
i've heard the setting campaigns, and if it was let's
refuse the federal funds and let's just go it on
our own, you're that you're talking about half a billion
dollars or more that would be very difficult to absorb
for one state and its taxpayers. But the only way
you can really do this, the smart way, in the

(39:59):
right way, would be to have a president ready to
do this. Yeah, and block grant or keep that money
in Utah, or block grant that money back to your
state and let the states run it. That is the
only viable way to get rid of the Department of
Education in my mind. And here we are. I really
didn't know that anyone would be bold daring enough to

(40:19):
try this because get ready, folks, people are going to
have a pretty negative narrative about what this means.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Oh sure, sure, they'll fight at every step of the way.
Do you think the teachers Union will try and stop this?
I think a little bit.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yes, it's going to be you know, he hates children,
He wants to kill them all.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
All right, we want to get your thoughts on this.
President Trump wants to make some major changes to education,
including eliminating the Department of Education. What say you eight
eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven oh eight zero one zero, or on
your cell phone, I'll pound two to fifty and say, hey, run,
big news coming out of Washington. A bit of a surprise, boy,

(40:54):
Donald Trump Man, he is surprising everybody. Just announced that
pig Pete Haigeseth as Secretary of Defense. I love it,
and that's surprising everybody. Wow.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
It has been the case that a lot of these
cabinet member appointments they have been from other administrations. They
have some connection.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
To today Washington.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Grab these departments, they have some loyalty there. If you
really want to get rid of the swamp or drain it,
you've got to start bringing people that have been This
man has been in the military's he's a veteran, he
knows it. But he's not loyal to an institution at
the expense of the American people. And that is what
has grown in Washington, d c. And that is institutions
that exist at the expense of the American people.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
None of these old generals heading up the Defense secretary.
Now that we've got a young guy by the name
of Pete Haig Seth, I love it. Any of you
know him from Fox. Soon's all right, let's get to
the phones. We talked about eliminating the Department of Education.
That's one of many items on the list that Donald
Trump wants to get done. And is he is President
of the United States, President number forty seven. Let's go
to the phones and talk with Ron and Murray and

(41:53):
see what he has to say about this tonight, Ron,
how are you?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Thanks for joining us, Hi, thank you so much for
taking my call. I think for sure we have to
get rid of it. We have to make it localized.
Whatever decisions are made in Washington for the whole country.
Just like you were describing earlier, it doesn't fit in
a lot of places. You know, last quarter, private sector
jobs fell, we lost jobs. The biggest sector that grew

(42:20):
was the government. So Obama and Biden have just built
the government so big that I'll tell you one more thing.
I was on a vacation and I met a guy
from Iran, and he's telling me that he was a
Christian from Iran, and that's the worst thing to be
there because and he told me about his government, about

(42:41):
twelve percent of the people paid by the government. The
rest of the country does not respect him or anything.
That's what this the Democrats have been trying to do here.
Build it so big and have all these agencies make
laws that aren't even passed by Congress that it's out
of control.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, it is out of control. Run. It is a
very very big task. But I think Donald Trump, he
has seventy four seventy five million Americans behind him to
get this done. I think they will support him in
these efforts.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
And I think Americans are realizing it's intuitive now that
you can't carbon copy education and delivery across tipsy states
with the different demographics and different everything. Let's go to
Dan and Midvale. Dan, welcome to the Run and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (43:22):
Yeah, how you doing today? You know my opinion is,
and Greg you should know this is the Department of
Education in the constitution.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Nope, nope, no.

Speaker 10 (43:36):
A division of government that's not constitutional. And we have
so many divisions of government that are not in the constitution,
the FBI, the CIA, the Homeland Security, the TSA, the
Department of Education, and the list goes on. I could
go further and further.

Speaker 11 (43:55):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (43:55):
We have to get back to the constitution where states
have a federal government and the federal government doesn't have
to step Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
If it's not in the constitution, those are those rights
are reserve for every state, United States.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
You're right, all right, Back to the phones we go.
Let's talk with Craig in David's County tonight. Are on
the Rodding Greg Show. Hi, Craig, how are you? Thanks
for joining us?

Speaker 12 (44:19):
Excellent, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
You're welcome.

Speaker 12 (44:21):
So we need to do We absolutely need to get
rid of the excuse me, the Department of Education, and
we need to get rid.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
Of the EPA.

Speaker 12 (44:28):
They are they are a predatory department that just praise
on small business with all the regulations that they serve.
And you know, don't stop there, don't stop there, keep
going because the dangerous to our country right now is
our debt. Everybody talks about other things, but our debt
is the biggest danger. And if we don't eliminate government

(44:49):
and get rid of half of it so we can
start paying down this debt, everything else is mute.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, yeah, Amen, to that didn't hasn't Elon Musk. They
identified like four hundred and sixty three federal agencies that
are operating right now. It is the Elon's goal to
get it down to two hundred.

Speaker 8 (45:07):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
He wants to hit it to less than years that
America has been a country. And that's I think a
very good goal to have. And so I hope this,
as Craig point, I hope this is just the beginning,
but it's a big one. This is one that you
can't do if it doesn't come from the top down
in terms of how the states can do this on
their own. They need the budget, they just don't need
the bureaucracy. Let's go to Phil in Fairview. Phil, welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show. What's they use sir?

Speaker 4 (45:32):
You know, it's really good to talk to you guys.

Speaker 13 (45:34):
I've been waiting on this for quite some time, and
I think more responsibility in everything across should be going
to the states, especially education, and that means Title one,
that means free and reduced lunches, That means everything needs
to go back to the states. If there's one thing

(45:54):
that needs to stay at the federal level, it's that
they need a really small office with a couple of
key people to make sure that rogue states like California
are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, enforcement side in terms of they're not
just castrating kids out there. You know that might be
too you know, vulgar, but I honestly that's what the
world we live in. That's actually a thing now in
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
How yeah, Greg, How would they take the money? I mean,
I don't want the Department of Education budget is it's
got to be in the billions or trillions for sure.
Would they take that and divide it among the states
based on populations? That's the easiest way to do it.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
So in the discussions I have heard, they wouldn't just
get cut your taxes commensurate to what it costs. They
would actually block granted and by per capita and by
number of students in your state, they would send that back. Now,
some of the critics that want to preserve this bureaucracy,
he are saying, oh, these red states are going to
hate it, because these blue states send out more money
than they get back into their own state that coast

(46:54):
to other states. You cut that bureaucracy in that big
giant building, and let's see how much gets back to Utah.
We'll take that anyway, because we've actually had straight faced
conversations of rejecting all the money just to get some autonomy,
just to be able to control the fate of our
schools and our students and our families. So any amount
that they send that we send by way of taxes
that they want to send back proportionate to our state

(47:17):
and what we pay in taxes as a block grant
to our school districts, I'm telling you, sign us up.
That is the best thing I've heard, and I've never
thought we'd see a president courageous enough to try it.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
All right, we want to get some more of your
phone calls. Lines are open eight eight eight five seven
oh eight zero one zero. On the agenda. On a
very busy agenda for Donald Trump would be his changes
to education, including eliminating the Department of Education. Agree or
disagree eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero,
give us call eight eight eight five seven eight zero

(47:46):
one zero. More coming up on the Grotting Great Show
on Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs. All right,
if you're just joined you and us. We're talking about
one of the many items on the list of what
things Donald Trump wants to do when he's president as
he becomes president of the United States for the second time,
is a change education. Eliminate the Department of Education.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
This is a big lift.

Speaker 8 (48:07):
Guy.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I know this sounds great, it sounds intuitive. But the
fighting that's going to go on and what he'll be
accused of harming children and getting rid of this department
over eight hundred billion a year. So that's not going
down without a fight. And we're going to get this
is the easy part now. But let's hear what you
have to say. Let's go to David in provo. David,
Welcome to the Roden Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (48:32):
Hey, thank you for taking my call. So I'm totally
in favor of getting rid of the Department of Education.
I mean, you can just tell by the numbers. They've
been completely a failure for the American people, especially for
our kids. When they had the No Child Left Behind Act,
that was the no Child Allowed to excel act the
experience that personally with our own son, he was in

(48:54):
fourth grade and they were holding him back. We found
out he was coming home angry and frustrated and irritable
from school. And so after talking to him, I find
out that he's spending his entire day tutoring other kids,
not learning. And that was my I was blown away.

Speaker 11 (49:13):
I go it.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
And then I find out that there's a center for
Accelerated Studies that we have in our school district for
you know, kids that are more advanced. And so I said, hey,
I want to get my kid in that. They're like, oh,
you missed the deadline. I'm like, what do you mean
we missed the deadline? We were never even notified about it.
And the teacher was in this meeting with us and
the principal, and the teacher says, yeah, I didn't send
this the flyer home with your son. I can't afford

(49:36):
to lose him. I can't do my job without him.
I was like, are you kidding me? So basically, my son,
my son is an employee, an unpaid employee, and you
I'm like, oh, I lost it. But anyway, we got it.
We got him into the center the next year, and
his education is sword. He's finishing medical school this uh

(49:58):
this month.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Oh what a wonderful end of that story.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
That's because we've been on top of it.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Wow that I love that I held in medical school.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
To reintroduce competition.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, yeah, we sure do. All right, David, what a story.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I love that story.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
And but you know, you shouldn't have to fight that.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I know and they do, and that's those are parents
who are tracking pretty closely and are able to do it.
And I got to tell you that we back when
he talks about no child left behind, we were really
weighing whether the two hundred million a year was actually
worth it or to go without because of problems like
this like he described.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
All right, back to the phones we go. Last talk
with Glenn in Pleasant Grove tonight here on the Rodden
Greg Show. Glenn, how are you? Thanks for joining us?

Speaker 14 (50:38):
Hello, first time caller. I was listening to some of
the things Donald Trump wanted to do, and one of
them was wanted to I wanted to caution the problem.
One of the problems with merit pay is it would
divide departments. Like right now, I'm in the department. We

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were we work really well together. I teach ap statistics
this year. I was also given a remedial class if
if if we're if we're going to be paid by
how our students do. No one's going to want to
teach those remedial classes and help those lower level kids out.
So if if merit pay is going to be something,

(51:22):
they got to do it right because if it's wrong,
it will divide departments instead of bring them together.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
In Glenn, No, we have a really I love your observation,
but I just want to ask you a question because
you're you're an educator. You you're part of this, and
this is why your perspective is so important. What if
the year over year progress of the student not not
because AP kids are always going to get a's versus
kids that have an individual education plan, but what if
there was merit pay when you have an educator that

(51:51):
and not for just any kind of movement, but if
there was some extraordinary movement year over year of proficiency
for those kids maybe with an individual education plan. Is
that something that can be can be recognized and even
a paid for that doesn't create riffs inside your school
or among faculty.

Speaker 14 (52:12):
I think you know that would definitely be something that
could be looked at. It would just have to be
done correctly. Yeah, because you know, you understand how quickly
a department could become divided if they're competing for students.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Glynn, good point.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I mean, and those are the layers of education delivering
it that that are going to be discussed and you
have to get you have to get those things right.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Well what if what if a teacher's pay increase is
held back maybe because there are two or three students
in their class they just don't want to learn? Yeah,
I mean, how do you deal? I mean, there are
some students who could care less. I don't care about this,
I don't care about this. How do you how do
you grade that? I mean, a teacher can't force a
student to learn.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
And some of that you can A couple of students
can really take the attention of a teacher away from
those other students too. So there's all these different moving
parts that go along with it. But you know, you
have some student populations that are just tough, and instead
of giving those tough student populations to the brand new
student or brand new teacher, you know, almost like a
hazing where the brand new student has to get the hardest,
hardest ones. Because after you've been there a while, you

(53:18):
don't have to go through all that. Why not take
some students. If you can see some great results from
and I'm not talking the letter grades necessarily, I'm talking
year over year progress because we can you talk and
track that. Now it's not just by the letter grade.
If you can take some really tough kids that are
they're having a hard time, or there's other issues, and
you can see some movement or they do not that

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you you should be penalized if you don't. But if
there's something extraordinary going on in that school, being able
to compensate in a more extraordinary way ought to be
able to be part of that equation, I would say,
because I would love to see a teacher that's been
there a while who's willing to take that on. But
you know, wouldn't otherwise because there's no date difference in
the pay between that and the easier students. Why would

(54:00):
they y it'd be harder. Why would you just pick
up that stick to beat yourself with?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
You know that's true? All right, more of your phone
calls coming up, Rod and Greg eight eight eight five
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It's one of many issues on the agenda for President
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Guys for We're solving all of the world's problems and
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Speaker 2 (54:35):
Kind of forget that we have a radio show we're doing.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, and then the part we miss her that the best,
the best input to the show is the hardist listening
audience and all the land. So let's get back to
our callers and go to Rick, who's in Bear River. Rick,
thank you for holding and thank you for joining us
on the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 11 (54:51):
You bet good talking to you again. Back when I
was in school, there was no Department of Education. They
taught reading and writing or arithmetic, did not put up
with a lot of nonsense, and we were a world
leader in education. Since the Department of Education, our results
have gotten worse every year. Now we can barely beat

(55:12):
third world countries as far as performance. The Department of
Education should have never been created. And the sooner it's gone,
the better for our kids.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Rick, Let me ask you, what do you think happened?

Speaker 10 (55:23):
Rick?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
What? What? What changed?

Speaker 11 (55:27):
We got a bunch of liberals in there running a
Department of Education, a bunch of that are more concerned
about the teachers and their benefits and priorities rather than
the kids. And you've got to get rid of that.
That should not be a national issue. It ought to
be a local schooling. Ought to be a local issue,
ought to be a state issue. The federal government should

(55:48):
have no purview in it.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Let me tell you a fun Yeah, thank you, Rick,
I one hundred percent agree. In fact, his description makes
you want to share this story real quick. Okay, So
Obama's president. He has another one of these federal education
cation programs that he's going to run through the Department
of Education called Race to the Top. Okay, We as
a state did not want to take any more federal
money than we were already taking, and we wanted as
a state to say no, thank thanks, but no thanks.

(56:12):
The Obama administration informed our state and me and our
lawmakers that if we did not accept it, that they
would accept direct grants from school districts themselves and continue
to fund our state. But they would decide and they
would create the relationships with our school districts, and we
would be as a legislative branch, the duly elected branch,
completely cut out of that process. We couldn't do it.

(56:34):
So we made sure that that money, if it was
going to flow, was going to come to the state.
We could work with it. But that's the kind of
lever that they have. We didn't want it, but if
we didn't take it, they were going to get They
were going to go and create those mandates and those
district by district around us, which would have if they
could get funded in the state wasn't part of that process.
It did weaken the legislative branch. So this again, this

(56:55):
is going to be a lot harder than it is
to talk about, but we have to steal our resolve
and you have to be voices in support of this
as it gets hard, because this is going to be
a tough one to do, but this is the right
way to do it and at the time is right.
And you're seeing a cabinet put together that it's going
to be built for power. It's going to be beautiful.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Well, speaking of being beautiful, there is more breaking news
at this hour. Donald Trump has announced that Elon Musk
and Vivek Ramaswami will head up a new department called
the Department of Government Efficiency. And that was just a
down a few minutes ago. But you know Elon Musk,
you know he knows how to work business. He has

(57:33):
a business acumen, and so does vack Ramaswami. And they
have just been announced to be the new co directors
of the Department of Government Efficiency.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
The President Trump and his announcement or his people transition
team has said it will become potentially the Manhattan Project
of our time.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Republican politicians have dreamed about the objectives of this government
Department of Government Efficiency for a very long time. To
drive this kind of drastic change, the Department of Government
Efficiency will provide the advice and guidance from outside of government,
and we'll partner with the White House and the Office
of Management and Budget to drive large scale structural reform. Again,

(58:18):
sign me up, man, I am so down with them
doing that. I'm going to help Harold the k cause
here on the Ron and Greg Show and describe all
the good work there about the start on.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
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We've got some tickets for you to weigh giveaway. Well,

(59:11):
we have got a lot more to get to in
the coming hour. We'll talk about the media and we'll
talk about why the public stop listening to a mainstream media.
We'll also talk about that very important Senate leadership vote
coming up tomorrow unless you weigh in on that as well.
Another full hour coming your way here on the Rodding
Great Show. Stay with us Elon Musk and Vivek Grandmaswamy,

(59:41):
the heads of the Department of Government Efficiency. What else
am I missing? I mean, there's so much going on.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Today, it is I mean, I'm like, I am. I'm
just I couldn't be happier. And I think they're putting
in the right people in place that can aren't just
going to get swallowed up by this bureaucracy. I mean,
I remember when Trump, when George W. Bush came in,
he brought his Secretary of Education from Texas and then
you never heard of the man again. Yeah, he got
swallowed up by this by the swamp and you never

(01:00:07):
heard of him. You heard it no child left behind,
which was you know, a trade up at all. But
they just seemed to, you know, when these new administrations
came in, as much as they tried, nothing really looked
all that different. Yeah, this is a president elect who's
been president and he knows he's learned a lot of
valuable lessons from that experience, and I just I couldn't

(01:00:28):
be more excited.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, well, this will come as no surprise whatsoever. Greg
MSNBC and CNN, their ratings have plummeted following Donald Trump's victory.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Are you surprised that this I'm not I'm not surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Lady did Nielsen. That's the company that does all the ratings,
including the ratings for US viewership on MSNBC on Thursday,
analyzing Trump's win brought into total for all day of
five hundred and ninety six viewers. This is a country
of three hundred and twenty million people. The uh really
the coveted age demographic twenty five year olds to fifty

(01:01:08):
four year olds, a total of seventy one thousand viewers.
Those are bad numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
So Utah had three million, five hundred people. I think
I think we have three point five million listeners, don't we. Yeah,
yeah around there, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's true. But yeah, CNN their coverage are also dropping down.
I mean, it's pretty amazing. But you know, they you know,
they'll come back up when they start hating Trump even more,
if that's possible. But it may come up because people
want an outlet because they all hate Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yeah, but I just they just can't get away. There
was so much disrespect and there was so much they
got away with, so much against Donald Trump in that
first term that they are not they I just don't
think the American people are going to have a lot
of tolerance for the behavior that we've seen towards him
by this regime, media, by the establishment, by the swamp.
I think that this is going to be a very

(01:01:59):
differ atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, And as a result of what's going on right now,
there is some good news out there. Apparently, as indicated
by the numbers we just shared with you, the public
has stopped listening to mass media. Let's find out more
about that. Joining us on our newsmaker line is David Harzani.
He is an author senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Now, David,
always great to have you back on the show. What
do you make of this, David, How severe is the

(01:02:23):
drop in media attention to the legacy media as a
result of what happened a week ago today?

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Well, I can't answer that question, but I can say
that there doesn't seem to be any indication that that's
in the direction they're added in right now. So to me,
it seems like all the incentives are wrong for them.
Donald Trump will probably bring them higher ratings. Being hysterical
about Donald Trump will probably make them more money. The

(01:02:51):
people who do it will be given, you know, will
see bigger audiences and thus they will be you know, featured.
So is are do you know, do not push people
in the direction of good journalism or you know, better programming.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I was hoping for a different answer. I was hoping
you were going to say that commercially, with the credibility
going away, that their their market success or how they
pay the bills would become harder and they would either
go away or they would have to revisit what you know,
news news stations are supposed to do. So I take
it from your answer you don't see that as a
pathway forward that you would see an MSNBC maybe die

(01:03:33):
on the vine, or you know, some of these stations
that I don't think are taken seriously by the American people.
Is there a scenario where there's a consequence, I guess, David,
for the way they have been more propaganda than news
for at least a long while.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Huh, well, I I'm not saying. I mean there may
be some consequences for certain people and certain outlet MSNBC's
for sale, for instance. I think that the entire industry
is filled with people who you know, from journalism schools
up to editors who don't see the world that way.
So I just don't think that all of a sudden

(01:04:11):
you can just change the culture of a newsroom or
the culture of a whole industry just because you know
that's happening. As you see in many many places like
the New York Times and elsewhere, if there's a different opinion,
the whole staff rebels and get someone fired or or
you know, or whatever. So it seems unlikely to me

(01:04:32):
that that can just be turned around. I mean, maybe
it can, but I've never seen that happen in an industry.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
David, how careful are they going to have to be?
Do you think in criticizing Donald Trump? And criticism is
just fine, I don't have a problem with that. But
knowing that Donald Trump won more than seventy five million
votes in this country, will that change in any way?
Do you think, David, their approach to what he's going
to attempt to do in the next four years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
I don't know. I if you see the you know,
the autopsy reports on MSNBC and CNN and also New
York Times and elsewhere, it's still there, still seems to
be an underlying hysterical It's going to be probably be
better than twenty sixteen, only in that no one will
believe them even if they came up with something like

(01:05:19):
the Russia collusion hoax this time. So I think it
will be different and maybe more tempered, I guess, And
maybe that's wishful thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
I mean, the entire election was about how Trump was
going to be hitler, so that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Was not normal.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
And these are the same people, and there was no reckoning, right,
there was no No one got fired because of the
Russia collusion hope, no one got fired because of hiding
Biden's acuity problems and so on, and no one was
fired for pretending that fascism was coming to this country.
So again, I just don't see anyone being held responsible
for the things that they've done. And when you hold

(01:05:57):
no one responsible, people just keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
They are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
So there's just saying, when you're in a hole, you
got to quit digging. They're in a hole, and it
sounds like they're doubling down on the digging. They're gone
double shifts now, they're just digging even more. I think
you're exactly right. I think they're a smug I think
that they're there. They have a sense of moral superiority,
all those things I've been saying since this election happened.
Let's not interrupt them, Let's let let's let them continue

(01:06:22):
to disconnect themselves from the public at large. So maybe
this isn't a bad thing. Maybe this letting them be
out there and just amplifying and screaming how disconnected and
how unrelated to the American experience they are actually in
the long run might play well for America. Do you
think I'm trying to find a glass half full here?

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Well, let me be a slight contrarian. Yeah, I mean,
I think it is good that people do not listen
to this media. I don't think it is good that
we don't have a real journalist class in this country
in the sense that they have, you know, the New
York Time. To get to a story, you need a
lot of money, you need a lot of funding, you
need a lot of time, you need a lot of people.

(01:07:05):
And there are many good conservative sites and good conservative newspapers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I think I work for.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
One, but the kind of money you need, you know,
to cover the White House and all that to get
the access. I think it's important that we keep people honest.
So it's not just that they don't have the same
level of inquiry when it comes to divide administration.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
They don't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
They let Democrats get away with everything. The problem is
that even if a Republican did something wrong, we would
never believe that it was true, even if it was true,
you know what I'm saying. So that's not good for democracy.
I don't think so. I wish we did have a
good media. But again, I just like you say, this
media that we have now, I think it's good that

(01:07:45):
people stop listening to them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
David. I know you've got a brand new book out.
What is the title lit book? And what is it
all about, David?

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
It's called The Rise of Bluing on how Democrats became
a party of conspiracy theorists, and it sort of gives
the history of how we got here to how we
got to a place where the media and leftist could
just cry and yell about Hitler and never really debate
anyone anymore. It's a paranoid style politics, and it's it
didn't just happen yesterday, But I think it's enveloped most

(01:08:14):
of the left.

Speaker 10 (01:08:15):
That's another thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
I don't know how how they're going to get out
of that. Alt just someone lear and then them and
try to about that's positive, but yeah, to look about
their conspiracies, how it's infiltrated and infiltrated the schools, the
university and so on, and why it's going to be
difficult to shake.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
What do you hope people get out of the book?
They walk they read it, David, they walk away, what
do you hope they get?

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
I think they that they get a better handle on
why we are so divided and not. I think division
isn't bad in politics. We disagree on things, that's where
where we re handle that stuff, where we should you know,
where we argue it out. But that how politics have
now kind of worm their way into our culture and

(01:09:01):
into our lives in a way that has become destructive.
It's a cancer the way politics, the way the left,
especially in my opinion, handles politics, and I think it's
because they're paranoid about other people. In this book, I
hope people will walk away understanding how it happened and
how it got here, and maybe they'll come up with
ways to get us out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
From The Washington Examiner, David Harzoni joining us on the
Rod and Greg Joe talking about the public kind of
ignoring mainstream media anymore, and I really think they are.
Greg and talking about his brand new book.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I'm right, yeah, that's right. I look, it's it's I
think that the media is it can't stay status quo.
Something's going to happen. And I'm not convinced that they
can stick around long with no list, no one watching,
nobody buying their publication reading it. I mean, you you
can if you want to speak to one percent of America.
There's cheaper ways to do it then the way they're doing

(01:09:53):
it currently. So I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Well, when we come back on the Rod and Greg
Shoe Utah Sunder Mike Lee is hosting a bait tonight
between the three candidates for Senate leadership to take the
place of Mitch McConnell. We'll talk about that vote, how
important it is, and get your reaction to it. Coming
up right here on the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS.

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right mentioned going into the break tonight, Utah cender. Mike Lee,
who was on the show what was it last Thursday?
I believe he was on with us last Thursday, mentioned
that tonight he is hosting a debate between the three

(01:11:01):
candidates for Senate leadership. We're talking about John Cornyn Thune
out of John Thune out of South Dakota, I believe,
right South Dakota, Cot Dakota, and Rick Scott out of Florida.
And a lot of people are really keeping their eye
on this. I've never seen as much attention drawn to
a Senate leadership race Greg as I have on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
It may be because Mitch McConnell has been there so long,
but there are changes taking place in Washington. We'll see
if the Senate's ready to embrosos to embrace those changes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Well, McConnell began to. And I will say one good
thing about Mitch McConnell, and I'm sure there's other things
we could point to, but him not refusing having the
Senate refused to confirm or even go through the hearings
of Merrick Garland to be a Supreme Court justice, and
waiting to see the outcome of the election which Trump won.

(01:11:54):
That you know, I'm glad he did it. I got
to tell you, for all the frustration I have with
Mitch McConnell, I'm glad he held strong on that one
because he got a lot of pressure to push through
Obama's nominee and he didn't do it. But after that,
this guy's been a UNI party from beginning, middle and
an end, and to the point where he didn't even
give resources to good Republican candidates for the only reason

(01:12:15):
that it could be that he'd rather be in the
minority in charge than in the majority and not in charge.
And that's not on the on behalf. That doesn't do
anything for the American people at all. You know, that's
about him. Yeah, you know, I watched it was about
a year ago.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Greg. There was a PBS special cult Frontline, that's a
weekly thing. But they took look at Mitch McConnell's effort
to block even a Senate hearing on Merrick Garland, and
he was under pressure like you wouldn't believe, but he
held his ground, hoping, hoping that a Republican would win
the election and come up with somebody different. So, yes,

(01:12:52):
we've got to recognize Mitch McConnell for that move.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Other than that, yeah, we don't have a Merrick Garland,
which is actually getting to know him in a disaster
he's been as Attorney General. That is something we should
be thankful for. But I think that the American people
are so interested in this because we just cannot have
with this opportunity the wasted opportunities of the past where
you saw Republican control in the House and the Senate

(01:13:17):
and the Executive branch, and you can't spot a single
thing that was done that was transformative or all four
and on behalf of the American people. And I've even
talked to members of Congress who were there in that
moment who are not there now, who now in hindsight
recognized the missed opportunities and really regret that they didn't
get more accomplished during that time. We're in one of

(01:13:37):
those moments. And then when you get if you think
that Mitch McConnell's going to because these are two of
the people Kronine and Thuner in his leadership team, if
they're just going to be McConnell acolytes, they're just going
to be his guys that he instructs to do what
he wants to do, then we do have a problem
with the Senate. And that won't be the that won't
have the atmosphere of cooperation with the with Trump and

(01:13:59):
the executive branch that we absolutely need. We know we
get that with Scott. With Rick Scott, we know we
get it. We get someone that's going to be hand
and glove Donald Trump or you're gonna and you know
you have that with the Speaker Johnson as well. So
you need someone like that. I got to tell you,
though I've seen leadership elections at least in state legislative bodies.

(01:14:19):
If Rick Scott doesn't get the I've seen this whip
list is old now, but this one that was leaked.
If he doesn't get north of his ten votes or
so that he's got sitting here. The only thing that
these that they can do is play king maker between
Cornine and Thune. And that means that those senators that
support Rick Scott, if he they can't whip the votes
high enough to become the majority leader, they can be

(01:14:40):
the ones that decide between the other two. And that
has to come with some agreements and some understanding of
how Trump's agenda is going to be pursued, and how
members of the Senate are going to have better access
to the process of which they haven't had.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
How important and how powerful of a role would be
a majority leader. Do they set the agenda for I
mean Trump and you know people like Elon Musk and
everything that are going to come to Congress with a
lot of different ideas things they want to get done.
Can the Senate majority leader block a lot of that?

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Absolutely, They get decide what gets on the on the floor.
They decide what gets heard and debated. And here's the thing.
All the judicial nominees that are absolutely critical, they require
that Senate you better be working with, and they got
to get them through. And so, yeah, you have to
the majority leader is the equivalent of a Senate president

(01:15:31):
by ceremony. The vice president is the president of the
Senate in our US Congress, but it really is the
majority is the equivalent of a state's Senate president. They
get to decide all that stuff. And really, I've listening
to Senator Mike Lee. Some of the things that are
just an average day of a general session in our
state legislature are our hands on the wheels or levers

(01:15:53):
of the legislative branch that in Congress they don't have.
That In Senate they don't have. If you go and
you present a bill in a committee and it passes,
it just goes to the It just goes to the floor.
It's an automatic, there's no hesitation, it goes. It takes
a verbal vote, but it's a it's perfunctory. You get
that vote heard on the floor. You can work your
guts out pass a bill out of a Senate committee.

(01:16:15):
And whether it's Mitch McConnell's want I have it heard?
You never see it again? Yeah, it's it's it is
not a participort participatory sport the way it's supposed to be.
Those those senators should have as well as House members.
They should be having a direct hand in that legislative
body and its process that strangely, I don't know when
it started, but they don't have that.

Speaker 11 (01:16:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Well, and just think about this, Greg, What if Donald
Trump and we talked about this earlier. What if Donald
Trump comes to the Senate with a plan to eliminate
the Department of Education, knowing that there's going to be
a lot of pushback on this. Are the Senators, under
the leadership of one of these three men willing to say,
we'll carry the fight for you and everything else he

(01:16:57):
wants to do immigration reforhim. I mean, you don't are
are they willing to carry the fight? I'm not convinced
thun and Cornant are willing to do that, Rick Scott,
I am, yeah, but I'm not agree if that's and
and John Thune are willing to carry Remember Thune called
for what was Trump to get out of the race
back in I think twenty sixteen the all access videotaping surface,

(01:17:19):
He said he should get out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
There have been unkind statements made about Trump from Cornine
and from Soon and I don't and I don't get
the sense that they were or ever support In fact,
even when going into the next election. It was I
think it was this one. Someone asked Senator Thune if
he would support Donald Trump and he said, I hope
I have better options. Uh and uh, and that was
more recent. So, but here's here's the issue. And this

(01:17:44):
is what I like what Center Lee's doing. He's putting
all three of these Senate senators their colleagues in front
of the rest of their colleagues, and they're going to
have to make a I mean, the pitch of I
want to control this and I want to slow down
Trump's process and Trump's going to have you know, none
of that's going to fly. They're all going to have
to make sincere cases to those senators that they're going

(01:18:05):
to work with the Republican president that the people have mandated.
He's got a mandate, he's won in ways that Republicans
haven't won since four uh, and they're going to have
to have that kind of attitude when they get in
front of those senators.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Now, Mike hasn't indicated yet who'd he'd support. My guess
is it will be Rick Scott. We'll see, well that
that's so called Luke. Yeah. John curtisay the other day
that he's opened to either Cornyn or or John Thune.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Yes, he didn't mention Scott, but he mentioned Thun and
Cornin is the two he was trying to weigh his
options between. But look, you can play kingmaker. If you're
not going to get the top votes, you could be
the votes that take one of Thune or Coronine over
the top. And to do that you better have some
very strong commitments from a from a potential majority leader.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
All right, when we come back, we'd like to get
your thoughts on this tonight. Eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero. If in fact Rick Scott is not
put in as Senate majority leader, what kind of a
message do you think that's sending to Trump voters and
how will they react? Your calls and comments coming up
right here on the Rod and Greg Show, taking your

(01:19:13):
phone calls on the Senate majority race. Mike Lee holding
the debate tonight. The vote will take place tomorrow. If
you want to weigh in on this, eighty eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial
pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod, Now the big
news of the day. Surprising, I think to a lot
of people, including to us, is that the president doing something.

(01:19:35):
He's thinking out of the box. You know, he's he
wants to do things his way, nominating Pete Hegseth, a veteran,
a host on Fox News, to be Defense Secretary. And
of course the Libs are coming out of the woodwork
critical of that decision, aren't they great.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Well, it's brilliant, it says cable news anchors are currently
perplexed they Trump nominated Pete Hegsath for second Defense secretary
because he has quote no government experience. Is that they
just don't get it, do they? The government experience is
the problem going on in that swamp. But here's what
if you don't know about Pete egsth He might be
a Fox News host right now, but don't define the

(01:20:15):
man by that alone. Because he graduated from Princeton Ann Harvard,
spent twenty years in the military, deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan,
and he came back and he's running a nonprofit advocating
for veterans. This guy's done a few things, ye okay.
I mean they can try to belittle him and try
to say that this isn't a substantive pick, but it is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
And you need someone that has proximity to this Department
of Defense is an old school warrior, of which he is,
but doesn't have any golden calves to go out there
and protect at the expense of the American people. And
that is what we get with him. And I'm telling
you is I didn't expect it. But I'm telling you
the more it sits with me, the more I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
What they don't understand, and I'm talking about the legacy
media news anchors and people in Washington, is the American people,
Greg and they want something different. They don't care if
you don't have experience in Washington or in government. They
want you to get in there, bring innovative, different ideas,
and start changing things. Because there is no doubt. It

(01:21:14):
is the people of the United States against the federal government.
And we won the war on Tuesday. We won the battle.
Now it's time to win the war.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Get this. This is a post Elizabeth Warren, Senator to
Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas. She's upset that a Fox and Friends
Weekend co host is becoming has been nominated for Secretary
Defense she says, Iley, the Senate Military Personnel Panel, Well,
put a badge on you, Iley, It says, all three
of my brothers served in uniform. I respect everyone of

(01:21:43):
our service members. Donald Trump's pick will make us less
safe and must be rejected. No, you must be rejected.
You are on the military personnel And look at that
woke military we got on our hands right now. They're
not helping us out right now. We're not strong right now.
You're the reason why we have to go get an
old school warrior and try to shape things up. So
if she's like a great barometer, if she hates it,

(01:22:05):
you know you're on the right track.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
You know what I love about all these picks that
were announced today, and there were a lot of them,
like Huckabee and things. Susan Wiles, who is now his
chief of staff, right, held a meeting with some top
donors to the Republican Party. I think it was Monday
that in afternoon lunch, right, and she told them, folks,
get ready because his executive orders when he becomes president

(01:22:28):
are going to come fast.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Get ready because he and I think she is laying
the groundwork getting people in there that he trusts that
are loyal to him, knowing that when he makes these proposals,
issues these executive orders, there's not going to be any pushback. No,
his staff is going to be there, is Kevinant's going
to be behind him. And that's what the American people
I think are looking heny Tayson. Biden did it. Biden

(01:22:51):
came in there and unwound everything that that man had
done in four years. He took our bear's ears, you know,
work that he did to shrink that thing that Obama made.
And he had that done before the winter was over,
after he got nominate, after he got inaugurated. So I'll
tell you one part about Pete hegg Seth though, that
I can live without. And and this is gonna be tough.
If this guy's the Secretary of Defense. Queen Bee just

(01:23:13):
can't keep talking about, can't stop talking about how handsome
the man is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
What do I care? I don't care if he's a
smoke show. I don't know why she has to keep
pointing that out. I'm a smoke show. Have you seen me?
What is she talking about him for?

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
She I'd never heard that term before. Yeah, So if
someone is a smoke show, that means they're hot.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Yes, yeah, and she keeps thinking that. She keeps sending
me all these pictures of like but it's got information
at the bottom. But she has to keep saying how
handsome he is. I don't care, Okay, you know he's
not a not a male model competition. Why she got
to keep saying it? No, I'm just like you got me?
What are you talking about? Why you gotta even talk
about Pete hegg Set's looks. But I'll tell you what

(01:23:54):
one one one that came out today that I'm I'm
it's probably my least favorite of them all is the
South Dakota's the Governor Christy Noome for Homeland Security. And
now here's the thing. I had an opportunity to meet
with her when Mike Lee was running for Senate and
she came out here to Utata to campaign for Center Lee,
and I really admired her her strength, especially during COVID.

(01:24:17):
She is the loan state that didn't shut down. Every
other state did to some degree and she didn't. She
was and she was by herself, and she described how
the lonely that was. And I respected her in many ways.
But when she caved on the and vetoed the bill
that prohibited boys from playing girls sports. That is where
people began were just so fundamentally disappointed in that decision

(01:24:38):
from her and her biography went over bad. There were
details in it that have proven to not necessarily be
accurate in South Dago. I just don't Homeland Security. That's
got FEMA in it, that's got Secret Service in it,
that's got FBI. And I just think that that I
like her, but that one I could have with a

(01:25:00):
different name on that me too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
All Right, We've got final segment coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Can or s I don't recall
were you. Were you in the legislature when a few
years ago lawmakers passed the uh free range Kids bill?

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
I don't know what year that was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Well, I love the bill, Leonor, who we've had on
the show several times.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Free range Kids.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah, what it means is, you know, kids are allowed
to be kids and you can't be punished for letting
your kids go to the park on their own.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Oh yeah, I think that like free range chickens. Yeah,
that's why I laughed, because I've only heard that term.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
It's called the free Range Kids Bill something like that. Obviously,
you weren't in the in the leg.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
I was in the one where you get to it
was legal to sell milk. That you if you have
a cow and you want to milk your cow and
you want to sell your milk to someone else, you can't.
It was illegal. You had to pass milk. The dairy
farmers didn't want you to be having a cow and
sharing your elk, and we passed that. We said, now
you can, you can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Well, I bring this up because I want to get
your reaction to this story. Greg. This what drives me nuts.
A mother of four was handcuffed in front of her
children hauled off to jail after she allowed her eleven
year old son to walk less than a mile into
a small town in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
I think I wasn't a free range kid. I was
a faral kid. I think I was raised in the
I think I was raised by wolves. Actually, you know,
my mother worked a lot, you know, not a lot
of parental supervision.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Well, here's the story. Brittany Patterson went to drive her
eldest son to a medical appointment back on October thirtieth,
and her youngest, eleven year old Soren, was supposed to
tag along, but was not around when it was time
to leave. She had figured he was simply playing in
the woods or visiting his grandmother. Patterson told the outlet,
noting that her father lives with them, and her mother

(01:26:57):
and sisters lived just two minutes away. It turned out
that Soren decided to walk to downtown Mineral Bluff. That's
a small town just three hundred and seventy people less
than a mile from her home. He was spotted alongside
the road by a woman who asked if he was okay,
and even though he replied he was, the woman called police.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Yeah, she was handcuffed in front of her children.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Hault.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
His mom, Britney Patterson, handcuffed in front of her children
and hauled off to jail after her son walked less
than a mile to their small town.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Man, my mom at work, so I get when something
was over and people were getting picked up. I had
to walk wherever I had to go get home because
I didn't get no one there to pick me up.
I walked a lot further than a mile. Yeah, because
I didn't have a ride home.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Yeah, so she gets arrested and because apparently child abandonment
charges were filed against her. But then it got even worse.
The following day, a case manager from the state Division
of Family and Children's Services arrived at her home for
a home visit and even interviewed Patterson's oldest son at school.

(01:28:09):
I mean, it's this embarrassing. This is where I think
the American people go, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Well, you don't want to acknowledge the story that I
that I wanted to talk to our audience about Peanut
the squirrel, But this is very much like that. No,
it's not like this is this squirrel had had a viral, like,
had an Internet following of zillions of people. It was
a very it was a domesticated squirrel and you know
in the pay feed it and it was so cute

(01:28:36):
and everyone loved to watch the videos. And then those
lunatics in New York came in like swat teams and
took that squirrel or handcuffed the man and his wife
took their squirrel out, Peanut, out of their house, euthanized
that squirrel while they're letting in that same state and
the same state. They're letting all the illegals with gangs
and you know, breaking the law and doing all kinds
of things, not going to pay attention to that. Just

(01:28:58):
euthanize that poor squirrel.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
It and you're equating this story, Yes, I am the
value of a human life versus the value of this Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Is overreaction. Is the heavy state attacking attacking a poor
mom and attacking a poor family that had a domesticated
cute squirrel that a lot of people like to watch
on YouTube. And they killed it and it was very
sad and there was probably there was a raccoon. I
don't know what the raccoon's name was, but very tragic
story about those the squirrel in the raccoon and are

(01:29:30):
example of heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
I can't believe you're equating this story with a with
a little boy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
It's government heavy. It's government overreacting on the wrong things. Yeah,
that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Well, and now this poor woman, this woman who gave
her child, didn't know her child was left home to
go downtown right because she was taking care of his
older brother and went downtown. She now faces a reckless
conduct charge of one thousand dollars and possibly a year
in jail. How much freedom did you I mean you
talked about you know, you had a lot of freedom.

(01:30:00):
I did as well. I grew up in a small
town in upstate New York, and we were given all.

Speaker 14 (01:30:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
My mom said, just come home by dark.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Okay, when the street lamps come on, come in home.
That's when you come home.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
That's when you do it. That was easy, yeah, say.
And she didn't ask where we'd been or what we've
been doing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
I don't have the tracker on your phone. You don't
even have a phone. You're just out, You're just gone.
That's why I think I really was like a fair child.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Well you probably were.

Speaker 11 (01:30:23):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
I had a companion on my mission. I went on
a mission and he looked at me once and he
just said, you know, you are completely undomesticated.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
And I'm like, what did that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Yeah, I say, well, I'm gonna have to look that
word up. But maybe that's a compliment. I don't know,
but it wasn't. I was just a bit of a slob.
I was just kind of I didn't have life skills
on you know, laundry and making food.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
And neither do. Let me tell you, I can't do
laundry today. Could you throw a load of wash into the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
My single years were just kind of scary that way.
But I will tell you that, like if it takes
longer to make food then to eat it, I can't
do it. That's why a lot of serious for Christmas
Christmas Morning, domet omelets I make it because I was.
I was the omelet chef for this Sunday buffet. Oh yeah, yeah,
I got I got a little mixture. I'd make that

(01:31:12):
of those eggs to Chris, and yeah, I I grill
up the onions. I got the green peppers, the mushrooms,
I got the ham, I got the cheese. I got
it all and and then I got toast. I pull
out the Steelers toaster that I only pull out on
Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
You went to a restaurant today, an unnamed restaurant. They
no longer serve toast.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Did you know that the toast is an old person's
breakfast item?

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Really?

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
I was told by the server that this they are
modernizing their breakfast menu, and they no longer serve toasts,
serve toast, And she goes, but you can still have
your eggs over easy. Well I don't If I don't
have toast to dip it in. I don't know how
to I don't even want eggs over easy. If I
don't have toast to dip it infast, I guess that's
I guess that's out of that's not chic. It's not

(01:31:55):
it's not young. It's not happening anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
All right, head up, shoulders back, God bless you and
your family in this great country of ours. Go have
a piece of toast for breakfast and

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