The Rod and Greg Show: The American Flag at Black Rock; Should UVU Have a Charlie Kirk Memorial?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were giving me a lesson. I forgot all about
this in school. The sun today is right at the equator.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yes, sir, no, it's right on. This is the day
it hits exactly on the equator, and then it's on
its way to the south south until it hits the
Tropic of Capricorn, and then on in December, that's as
low as it goes, and then it starts to migrate
back up north. It's back to the first day of
spring is at the equator again. In the first longest
day of the summer, it's at the tropic of Cancer.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
You learned all this in school. You remember this.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I remembered it somehow. I don't know how, but I think,
as I love the season so much, I just count
the days away until it gets warm again. So I'm
always watching this.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm impressed. Well, thank you, thanks for very impressive. When
you talked about that, Well, we've got a great show today. Uh,
mister Trump decided to shoot straight. I think he basically
took the U end to the woodshed classic I love
laid it on the line. We'll talk about that here
in just a minute. A little bit later on, we'll

(00:59):
talk about an effort to build a memorial to Charlie
Kirk at Utah Valley University. We'll talk about that. Do
you know there was a law passed, I think greg
in nineteen ninety six, This was during the Clinton years
that those who are in this country illegally would not
get welfare.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, that would make sense. That sounds kind of intuitive
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Never been enforced. So why do we have a law
in the bust?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And that sounds intuitive as well? Sadly, sadly that sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
We'll talk about that and a little bit later on
we'll get into this flagpole thing out of black Rock.
You have an opinion on that. Surprise, Surprise, We'll get
into that as well. That's coming up on the Rotting
Gregg Show. Say great to be with you if you
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Thank you folks for utilizing that because I think it
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And I think it's just another way to communicate with
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(02:20):
floor with any listening audience in America.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
We've got a very, very smart audience, that's for sure.
Now let's talk about Donald Trump. To say at the
un the thing you have to admire, I mean, if
nothing else, you have to admire that Donald Trump is
not afraid to speak directly to you and to lay
out the facts as he sees them. And I think
that's why of a lot of Americans like him.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It is it's it's it's the anti politician. It's he's
not slick. He's not saying, you know, saying nothing to
make everybody happy. And he even got some laughs as
he mocked, like the two things that don't work here
is the escalator and the teleprompter went off. The two
things I needed and everyone kind of chuckled. I mean,
so he's he's he's got the gravitas, he's got the leadership,

(03:03):
he's not afraid to have uncomfortable conversations, but he also
and injects some humor in there that I just don't
think there's anyone like him. You'll never see another president
like Hea in America.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, I don't think you will either, Greg, because have
you ever heard now this is a I guess an
annual event. Do presidents do this every year kind of
on and off? If they did the General Assembly of.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
The UN, hat tip and just a bunch of blather,
I don't remember it.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I have never heard of President be as blunt with
the UN as he was today.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
And rightly so too. There's a lot going on in
this world, and there's a lot he's personally doing. And
where is the UN right now? Where are they in
some of these worlds and global conflicts? They are nowhere
to be found? Yeah, So what's their job?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah? Pretty amazing? Well, this one of the lines he
used at the UN today where he talked about the
purpose of the UN.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
What is the purpose of the United Nations?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
The UN is such tremendous potential I've always said it,
it has such tremendous, tremendous potential, but it's not even
coming close to living up to that potential for the
most part, at least for now. All they seem to
do is write a really strongly worded letter and then
never follow that letter up. It's empty words, and empty

(04:14):
words don't solve war. The only thing that solves war
and wars.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Is action, I mean, and that's what he thinks the
UN should be doing, is taking action, and they never do. Greg,
I mean it. You know, I don't know if I
totally agree with him on this that the UN has potential.
I don't know if the UN has potential.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, they can, and I don't think they do, but
they certainly thought they did. But their relevancy is gone.
If they had it, they should have been inserting themselves
or being part of the solution long ago. They're not.
I think they're co opted by other interests. I think
that if you look at some of the what do
they call the head of the UN, it's something like.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
The Security General, General Assembly General, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know, the guy that runs the whore. That person is.
There's been story after story where they are there's a
lot of self dealing and profit profiteering that's going on
with some of the leadership in the UN. And then
you put a country like China on your Security Council
for a vote on some of these big critical issues,
and anyway, it just doesn't work. It didn't work before.

(05:16):
They wanted to try and say it works now, But
I don't think it does at all.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Secretary General, I think as you were Secretary, we're referring
to it.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Well.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
He touched on everything. He touched on war, he touched
on faith, claiming that the one faith that is under
attack around the world today is Christianity. I would agree
with him on that. He talked about climate change, and
he talked about immigration, and he really let him have it.
On immigration. He basically said, look, if you don't stop this,
your countries are going to hell. I mean, he was
real blunt. This is how he concluded his remarks today.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
In closing, I just want to repeat that immigration and
the high cost of so called green renewable energy is
destroying a large part of the free world and a
large part of our planet. Countries that rish freedom are
fading fast because of their policies on these two subjects.
You need strong borders and traditional energy sources if you

(06:10):
are going to be great again. Whether you have come
from north or south East or west near Afar, every leader,
it is beautiful Hall today represents a rich culture, a
noble history, and a proud heritage that makes each nation
majestic and unique.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You know, he just wants every nation to grow and
to prosper. And he says, all the stuff you're doing
right now is holding you back. With immigration, with climate change,
those laws is killing you.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And if you talk about the climate change laws, you
shut down all your own ability as countries to generate
your own power, and it made you more dependent on
Russia of all countries for your power. At the same time,
you're trying to give money to Ukraine and help them,
but you're you're just you're buying everything from Russia. What
kind of sense does any of us make. The lack

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of a country to generate its own power, all under
the banner of being good stewaries of the plant, which
doesn't make any sense, has really put them in a
very vulnerable place. And Trump's pointing it out. I mean,
he's just really gonna point out and I think I
don't know any other how many people on the earth.
I don't think there's anyone else that could do what
he just did. Who else is taking these world leaders
to the woodshed and saying look, which it did, Look

(07:24):
look at the mess. This is why you can't have
nice things right here, this is why.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well and showing his true character, as you mentioned a
moment ago, he did have a little levity today with
the UN All.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I got from the United Nations was an escalator that
on the way up stopped right in the middle. If
the first lady wasn't in great shape, she would have fallen.
But she's in great shape. We're both in good shape.
We both stood.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
And then a teleprompter that didn't work.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
This is these are the two.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Things I got from the United Nations. A bad escalt
and a bad teleprompter, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
As if he needed a teleprompter, but he laid it in.
He said, look all I'm getting from you right now
a bad escalator and a bad teleprompter.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And they laughed. I mean, as he stay him to
the woodshed. They all kind of collectively laughed about it,
and I actually, you have to wonder the escalator and
teleprompter was that kind of a little dig Oh yeah, no,
might be he.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Still wants to rebuild the un building one.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
You would certainly not make it showing how great they
are when they can't get those basic things right. So
I think I think they just wanted to give it
a little dig out, and they just didn't know that
he would out them for that.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well he did, he did. All right, We've got a
lot to get to coming up next. There is, of course,
uh turning Point USA is going to be in Utah
next week next Tuesday at Utah State University. Well down
at UVU. There's an effort on the part of some
lawmakers to build a memorial. We'll talk with the leader
of that effort coming up right here on the Rowden
Greg Show. Coming up the five o'clock hour. We'll talk
about that American flag in the flagpole out on black Rock.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Apparently this fund we're not talking about hedge fund. There's
actually a rock. It's out there out west toward that's right. Eight.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, people are upset that there's a flag on.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
It, American flag, noo lest O Glory look Out.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
We'll talk about that and get your reaction to that,
coming up here on the Rotten Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, but what we're going to talk about right now
is a memorial. There's a lot of talk. I mean,
we've taken this very personally as a state, what happened
to the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, and we've all
lived through this together. Folks joining us on the program,
Senator Dan McKay. State Senator Dan McKay looking to do
something interesting in response to this. Senator McKay, welcome to

(09:41):
the Rod and Greg Show. Let me just ask you
what made you decide to take on this effort to
create a memorial at UVU campus regarding the having to
do with Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
You know, let's step back. First of all, it's good
to be with my conservative brethren. I always love.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Talking thank you, thank you, And I.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Was mostly talking to Rod and Eway so so, but
let me say a more serious note. You know, literally
on that night, you know, after after Charlie was murdered,

(10:22):
it kind of hit me that, like Utah now has
this in her footnotes of things that happened in Utah
that were notable, you know, you know, I hear about
you know, I could go down the list of things
that we've been infamous for or you know, or in
our footnotes, you know, and some are things we want

(10:42):
to be known for and some are not. And and
I think when I think back on this, it's like,
we've got this tragedy that happened in our community and
there's real loss. How are we going to turn this into,
you know, into something like his memorial was where it
was a celebration of his life and extend that to

(11:03):
how do we find memorial that becomes a celebration of
the principles that he stood for and and be about
those principles and focused on those principles. Because I truly
think what Charlie mostly, you know, he said he wanted
to be known for his faith, and he said he
wanted to be known for having conversations, because when conversations stopped,

(11:25):
that's when the violence starts. And I have I literally
that night, I just stayed up all night, and I
will tell you I really felt inspired that we should
just start fundraising for it so that it could be
privately funded and that the university didn't have any obstacles
to you know, to executing on a on a good memorial.

(11:47):
And we've you know, we've raised one hundred and twenty
thousand dollars now in that memori in that memorial fund
and the give Son gives End go fund site, and
that's been amazing. But in addition to that, I've had
private don reach out to me who tell me, trust me,
money is not going to be a problem. I've just
been so impressed by the people that have done that.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, that's great sender. If in fact this memorial takes place,
and I sure do hope it does, and I think
Greg feels the same way. If we get it set
up at Uview there on the campus, what do you
think it will say not only to students, but to
the entire state of Utah and really to the rest
of the country, this nation, about the fact that we
are going to honor Charlie Kirk despite the tragedy that

(12:28):
happened here. What is it going to say, in your opinion.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Well, what I hope it says is that it becomes
an enduring invitation for people to keep talking. I think
the problem we have now is it's easy to say
things that are you know, I don't know, inflammatory is
not a great word, but you can say things to
people online because all you're doing is you're saying these

(12:53):
things through the keyboard to text on a screen. It's
not a person that's sitting across from you. The conversation
is always better when two people are sitting across from
each other and having an active conversation. I can have,
you know, my far far left friend or family member.
We can sit and have reasonable conversations with each other,

(13:16):
you know, in person. But boy, you watch that person
online and it is just so hard to realize to
even want to have that conversation or even get in
the middle of it online. It's so much better in person.
I want I want this memorial to be an invitation
for us to continue conversations that may be hard and
are definitely can be contentious, but they can be respectful

(13:38):
and they can be civil, and we can solve problems together.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know, Senator, there was a does Right News poll
that showed that, and this makes all the sense and
the rule to me that utahs are tracking this assat
political assassination a lot closer than the rest of America,
and a lot of America, well over fifty percent of America,
is tracking it very closely. We're obviously in the upper
sixty percentile. So this has hit our state and people
in our stay very personally. I thought that the memorial

(14:03):
on Sunday was a spiritual experience. In twenty twenty five,
I didn't think I would ever see and so that
was incredible moving. So my question is, given the attention
that this has brought to our state, given that Utahs
are tracking this very closely, and this is an intensely
personal personal thing, and even given the momentum that Turning
Point USA and Charlie Kirk's legacy brought to us on Sunday,

(14:28):
what is your feelings about the future of that kind
of dialogue here in the state of Utah going forward?
Do we have a chance to continue what Charlie started?

Speaker 5 (14:38):
Absolutely, and I think there's a lot of hope. What
I'm already hearing from young people is sixteen seventeen, eighteen nineteen,
you've seen more attention to, especially locally here in Utah.
I've seen more attention to Charlie Kirk, videos, Charlie Kirks,
you know, quotes, these kinds of things, and and Charlie

(15:00):
Kirk was a principled conservative, but he was a principled
person that was senator around his faith. That memorial was
amazing to hear the leaders of our country right top
to bottom, hear them talking about their faith. They don't
really get to talk about that or do that, or
they don't do that much in a public sphere because

(15:21):
people tend to shy away from confusing politics and religion, right,
And so I thought it was refreshing for our young people.
There were millions of people watching that memorial and they
were of all ages, and I think, honestly, I don't
think we can highlight enough what this is going to

(15:41):
do for engagement of our young people with the political process.
And I think in a lot of ways it has
brought people who thought they were in the minority because
they were conservative right out to the front and make
them feel like their opinions belong in the public sphere.
And I'm so great for that being an end result

(16:02):
potentially of you know, of the tragedy.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Boy, I hope they get this some memorial together, and
I think they will. I hope the university goes along
with it, even though I did see there's a petition
out there from some students who don't want it on campus.
Can't believe that.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, I do think there's a lot of positive positivity
that we need to find from this, and I think
we are even as a nation, but I think Utah specifically,
we need to find some very positive responses and legacies
from what this terrible tragedy that happened.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
All right, Moore, coming up, It is the Tuesday edition
of the Rod and Greg Joe on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine kayn Ars. During the Clinton years,
and they were rather interesting years, to say the leads.
But one thing he realized and he had to what
was in nineteen ninety four, after being in office for
only two years, That's when Nude Gingrich took over. Boy

(16:50):
did changes start taking track with America in contracts with America.
And you know, the Republicans hadn't had control of the House,
what was it forty years? Forty years long time and
changes and Clinton realized, I've got a pivot here, and
he did tried to go as centrist as he possibly.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Could, went to the State of the Union, said the
era of big government is over. If that isn't a
strong pivot to where the people were certainly going at
that time, that was your acknowledgment. He was going. The
people had had enough of big government. They changed the
control of the House for the first time in forty years.
Clinton was a stute that way. He caught that and said,
where are those people going? I need to lead him there. Yeah,
try to get it out in front of that crowd.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah. Well, you know, one of the issues that came
up was welfare reform, and there was a law that
was passed in nineteen ninety six, but apparently people have
got to I guess have forgotten to enforce it. Let's
find out why. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right
now is George Fishman, a senior legal fellow at the
Center for Immigration Studies. George, how are you welcome to
the rodden greg show.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
Hi, I'm doing great, Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
George. What was that nineteen ninety six law and what
was it supposed to do?

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Well?

Speaker 7 (17:59):
There were two big nineteen ninety six reform laws. One
was to reform the federal welfare system and generally to
emphasize work and to get people off welfare. But in addition,
it was to reaffirm the principle which has been around

(18:21):
for hundreds of years that when immigrants come to the country,
they come to work, not to go on to the
federal welfare roles, and therefore it significantly limited the availability
of federal welfare benefits for aliens coming here legally. It

(18:42):
pretty much shuttle off almost all benefits programs for illegal aliens,
but for legal aliens people coming here as permanent residents,
generally they would have to wait five years before they
could even access federal program And in addition, that bill,

(19:03):
in conjunction with the Illegal Immigration Reform, an Immigrant Responsibility
Act of nineteen ninety six, provided that when a US
citizen or permanent residence sponsors are relative to come and
immigrate to the US, that they be legally obligated to
support their relative, and so the taxpayer does not have

(19:28):
to flip the bill.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
So you know, there was the thing, the bills and
the reforms that President Clinton signed. James Carvill said he
didn't speak to the president for months. He was so
angry you you right, and your column that he was
feeling this from the Democrat base. They were so angry
with him for agreeing with this welfare reform pushed by
the Republican Congress. So he went. They went in and

(19:50):
without trying to do through administrative rule what they knew
they couldn't get through a new gingrich you know, Republican Congress.
They began to fudge the numbers, or they began and
to just look at the fine print. How I mean,
did we ever have the law as it was intended
to be implemented implemented? And if not, what do we have?

Speaker 7 (20:11):
Well, in terms of the eligibility of of legal aliens
for federal welfare benefits, it was essentially gutted by the
Clinton Clinton administration. Uh, you know, you know, as you indicate,
there was a lot of blowback from the Democrat base.
The National Organization of Women said, you know, we'll never

(20:33):
contribute another penny.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Uh to President Clinton.

Speaker 7 (20:37):
You know, we'll we'll hold our nose and vote for him,
but you know, never never another dime. And so the
Clinton administration was under a lot of pressure to try
to minimize the effect of this law that President Clinton
had signed, and they used a procedural device to argue

(21:02):
that only very few federal welfare programs were actually covered
by this ineligibility, by this five year in eligibility, you know,
they distorted a procedural device and interestingly, very involved in
coming up with this quote unquote solution to President Clinton's

(21:25):
political problems. Was Elena Kagan, who worked in the White
House at that point in time and is now on
the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
You know, I chanced upon emails in the Clinton Presidential library,
you know, online talking about how how important a role
she played in coming up with this, uh interpretation that
only a very few federal welfare programs would be covered.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (21:54):
You know, Congress thought they were going to cover all
federal welfare programs, but under the Clinton administration, only a few.
And unfortunately that interpretation has remained the policy of every
administration up until now, you know, three decades.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
It's minimized the benefits to US taxpayers of what Congress
thought it was doing back in nineteen ninety six. And
so I was just hoping that that President Trump consider
you know, he doesn't need any legislation for this. He
does not, you know, he can just do it administratively

(22:38):
to interpret the ninety six law the way it should
be interpreted and really fulfill the promise to the American taxpayer.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
That would be nice. George is always great chatting with you.
Thanks for your time today, George, thanks so much. On
our Newsmaker line. That's George Fishman. He is a senior
legal fellow with the Center for Immigration Studies. All Right,
more coming up on the Rod and Greg Show. You're
on Utah's talk radio one oh five nine. KNR ask
me not in Utah, you want its Channel four, the

(23:11):
ABC affiliate owned by Next Star. And I was so
glad to see this. Greg Sinclair came out late yesterday
the other large team an the air're on the air,
and they came out and said, yeah, you can bring
them back, but we aren't going to put them on
our television stations. Next Star did the same thing, so
you won't be able to see it on Channel four here.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
So these four hundred actors, actresses that signed this big petition,
everybody's losing their mind. Now, Now, okay, you're gonna have
what sixty seventy eighty stations that aren't going to play it.
So now that I think the ball's in the court
of Jimmy Kimmel. What what would he like ABC to do now?
Because there's stations that don't want to play you know,
his he's his hatred, his skewed universe. I'm you know,

(23:53):
I just I just think that Disney's trying to make
too many people happy. He's got all they got, all
these people yelling at him, and so they threw arms
up and they said, all right, I guess we're just
gonna have eighty channels, seventy channels that aren't going to
play it. But all right, that's what you want. Let's
see what happens. Let's see what he does.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, you know the Democrats and those on the left
have made it all about free speech. Well, Bill O'Reilly
was on News Nation last night and talked about an
angle of the story that nobody is really talking about.
Right now, here's what he said. This story is bogus.

Speaker 8 (24:21):
The story is at Disney and Kimmel for three years
would not put on a non liberal voice on his program.
You talk about no freedom of speech and expression. That
story has been totally ignored. And it's not just ABC,
it with CBS, NBC, MS and CNN. Okay, they will

(24:43):
not put any non liberal voice on air. And I
know that because I'm in this midst of marketing confronting evil. Yeah,
and before Trump entered the political arena, I got on
those shows routinely because I bring high ratings to the
shows and the books are number ones. But the point is,
and This is such an important point. This whole freedom

(25:06):
of speech BS is coming from the far left to
make Kimmel a victim and to make Trump a villain
when for ten years they have banished all traditional conservative
thought and discourse on all of their programs.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
And you know what, Greg, he is spot on. I mean,
if you check the numbers, especially on Colbert and Kimmel,
I think the number of zero, the number of conservative
guests that they've had on the show, on those two shows.
And here you have those the left saying equal access,
free speech BS. That's exactly what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, and the irony never ends because you've got scenarios
where you had you had Morning Joe where he's like,
you better watch out conservatives because if Democrats get back in,
they could censor you. Three hours yesterday after he said
that Google admits that the Biden administration instructed them to
censor right of center speech on on their platform completely.

(26:06):
And they they've admitted as much. Uh so we've already
lived that world. We've already had censorship, We've already lost
the freedom of our First Amendment and the freedom of speech.
And uh and they didn't say one word about any
of it. And that's because they live in this echo chamber,
and that's that's if you don't believe what they do,
then you suffer from a moral or an intellectual failing.

(26:27):
And they somehow think that that's okay. Somebody brought up
an interesting point, and I think it was Selena Zito
that brought it up. She said the right or she's
now considering it right of center, or even common sense
every day Americans. They understand the leftists really well. The
leftists do not understand common sense everyday Americans. Conservatives, they

(26:50):
don't understand them. They don't understand what makes them, what
makes them tick. They don't understand what, why, why they
feel the way they do. They are completely and utterly
attached out of touch from the reality of what's most
really most of America. And and so it's easy for
us to spot it. They can't, I think that arrangement syndrome.
They can't even see it. For Jimmy Kimmel to hold

(27:12):
out on a patently false, verifiably false statement of a
hateful one at that, and to hold out that whole
show and hinge you that entire show's viability on a lie,
it shows that he's just he's lost all moorings. He
doesn't know up from down. No, he just doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, I think the entire left I figured it out.
They don't understand it. They don't. All Right, when we
come back, we'll talk about the flagpole controversy that's coming
up next and the roding Greg shows stayed with us.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Hold on to your hats, everybody. I'm just going to
tell you a very scary story. After the Charlie Kirk
assassination political assassination, somebody went to this rock that said,
and that's part of the Great Salt Lake areas. That's
off of Eye. It's in the south part of the
Great Salt Lake. It's you can see it from Interstate eighty.

Speaker 9 (28:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
It is, as it's described, a black rock. It's a giant.
It's a big, big black rock band, and it's you know,
it's it's considered to be you know, protected, it's in
the National Register of Historic Places, on and on. Well,
somebody felt particularly patriotic and a tough time in Utah
or this has happened, and they erected a very very
tall flag pole. They even put the solar light around

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it where it's got the little lights around the pole
and it's and it's powered by solar power so that
they're and get ready the American flag flying high the rock,
No old Glory flies. It's got the light at night
so that it does always has a light and it
doesn't have to come down at dusk or yeah, at dusk.

(28:48):
But somehow this has caused controversy. Okay, now I know
that you have to have permits if you're going to
do things like this. This is actually this rock is
overseen by our Utah Division of Forestry, Fire and State Lands. Yes,
so they have some jurisdiction over this this rock. And
I am not here to argue that the placement of

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that flagpole or the flag is legal or done in
any kind of proper way. But what I am saying
is that when the Division of Forestry, Fire and State
Lands releases this statement last week, an unpermitted flagpole was
installed a top black rock at the Great Salt Lake.
The Division is actively addressing the situation determining appropriate next

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steps regarding the flagpole's placement. Law enforcement officials are currently
investigating and are seeking public assistance with any information related
to the incident. I would just proffer this of the
one zillion things that a state and its departments and
divisions wake up every single day to work on, and

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there's plenty, this flag flying should be the very very big,
very last thing on anybody's to do list on any
given day. So, in other words, it's just not that
just leave it, don't promote it, don't you've brought more
attention to this. Now you're gonna see a who's up
there trying to put other flags up there now? But
if you just left it where it is and you

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see old glory flying, did you really have to make
this big of a deal about it? Are you? That board?
Is this division? This board, they don't have anything. They're
supposed to fight wildfires, they're supposed to give grants for
managing state lands, the conservation of statelans. This is their
biggest thing they got to do. I'm telling you whoever
inside that division, our state employees decided this was the

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get law enforcement of ball because you know, we don't
have any crime going on. We don't have anything for
law enforcement to do in twenty twenty five. But go
ahead and find the scoundrels who dared put the American
flag up on this rock. I am just bothered to
no end that this is even an issue.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, well, I love this line, Greg appropriate next steps
regarding the flagpole's placement. Right, well, here's my suggestion. Leave
it alone, just yeah alone. You don't even have to say, hey,
they did it right. You don't have to say anything,
Just say, I got ten thousand things we got to
do to fight fires, to manage and conserve state lands.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
We're going to get to it. Don't worry everyone, We'll
get to it. So for the liberals and leftists that
can't stand the sight of our American flag flying like
that and they're complaining, just tell them it's on our list.
We'll get to it.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Wait, they're desecrating the Blackrock.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, right there. If the Black Rock could talk
and say thank you, more people are paying attention to
that rock and feeling more more warm feelings looking upon
that rock and the flag that flies atop it than
that ever before. A simple thank you would be.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
After Charlie Kurz put up it was a way to
unite American to say we're proud in our state. What
is wrong with a moment?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I I am so bothered by this. Leave it to
a state bureaucrat to put this on the front burner
and make an issue out of this. Just leave it alone.
You doesn't have to. I mean, I get that you
have to have a permit to do something like this,
and you probably at the end of the day, why
don't you say yes to one? You got to say
yes to Malsa. There probably isn't a way to do it,
but the fact that it was done. If you're a
state division, just go do all the other things you

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have to do and don't make it a big fuss
that this flag's flying atop this rocket. It's not that
big of a deal, and you made it a big
deal for no reason.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, just simply leave it alone. I imagine a lot of
people are paying I am you know, we don't drive
in that direction. Is out there a little ways, but
I imagine people who drive by are saying, and maybe
drive by it all the time and are now seeing
the flag, They're kind of going, that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Cool, and I'm looking. You can't get it. You can't
get a pull that tall without putting some you know,
some a nice foundation at the bomb. There's some work
that was done to put this thing up.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
But you know, I want to know how they did
it without anyone catching them.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
It must have done mill the night. I don't know,
but all I know is this. And if you look
at it from Afar, it's a very majestic sight. I
mean it said, well look how beautiful that looks. You
can't see it, folks, but I'm showing it to rot.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
If you're an IAD and you look and see this thing,
you the only emotion unless you're a communist is God
bless America. That's what you'll think when you see it.
And I just think, go do other things. You're a
state division, Go find I know there's work to do.
I know you're not. You cannot be this board to
make this your big issue.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
But you know what people are going to say, Well,
if someone doesn't here, what's going to stop them from
doing it elsewhere?

Speaker 8 (33:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I know, well, you know what.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You can hear the argument coming. You know it's coming.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Well when you see it, and when you see it
in channel on channel, our local news channels and you
see their big statement and now it's not even on
their website as I look at it now that you
brought tons of attention to it. Yeah, that that problem
isn't a real problem though, because you had to make
it a big problem. It wasn't a problem. And you
had more to do for our state four and a
half and behalf of the taxpayers than to make this

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your big five alarm fires. Think I would I love.
Maybe maybe they think I'm a breaker, I'm callous, but
I'm not saying that they did it the right way.
I'm just saying, in the in the grand scheme of
everything that's going on, taking any law enforcement time, putting
out statements, having all these all these stories, what a
waste of japer money and attention.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I'm with you on this one, because we've got
bigger and better things to worry about. I think this
was a very nice gesture on the part of some
creative guys who were maybe some women involved in this
as well. Who knows, But to get on that rock,
first of all, how can you can you walk on
and climb that rock? I have been out there. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Looks like it would be tough. I mean, that doesn't
look like it's an easy that's there.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
But to get up there and to haul that big
flagpole up.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Kudos for originality, kudos for grit, I mean, thank you
for putting an old glory up there. I makes it.
I think it's fine. I just I think they have
so misplayed this and and brought unnecessary attention to it
and and made it again. This big important. We have
got what. We're working with law enforcement for tips on
to find out who is ever, whoever did this? Okay,

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thanks right now, catch and release. They're letting go. You know,
murders are getting out, you know, with no bail. We got,
we got that, we got, we got old glory flying
on top of a flag at the south Great Salt Lake.
You can see for my eighty the horror of it all.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh oh, what do you think? Eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone, dial
pound two to fifty and say hey, Rod, or leave
us a message on our talk back line. Already Colored
weighing in on this one. Greg, Let's go to James
in West Jordan. James, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
I'm fine. As I drive by there and see that
flag up there, it reminds me of my pass back
in fifty to fifty one. I used to go swimming
out there and that was all surrounded by water. They
even had showers out there so you could rinse off
the salt before your left.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Really, that is amazing resort.

Speaker 10 (35:52):
Yeah, it reminds me of days past. When I see
that flag got there, I like it.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, James, did you ever try and climb the rock?
Could you do that?

Speaker 4 (36:01):
No?

Speaker 10 (36:02):
A couple of weeks ago I saw a couple of
guys up on top of that rock, and I wondered,
you know, I've got to be some climb, but really
I guess it's possible. And how they got that fake
pull up there, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
But James, are you are you appalled? Does it? Are
you appalled when you see it? Did you like it
when you saw it? What was your takeaway when you
saw the flag flying on top of that rock?

Speaker 10 (36:22):
Well, it was kind of I was kind of amazed
when I saw it there, but I thought, hey, that's
pretty neat. You know, that used to be a really
dark place and now it's now it's got something too,
some sort of a traction for it.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
A yeah, yeah, to look at all? Right, James, thank you.
Let's go to Randy, who's in Lehigh tonight listening to
Rod and Greg. Hi, Randy, how are you.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
I'm doing good. How are you?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
We're doing just fine. Oh we just lost Randy somehow
we lost him. All right, let's go all right, let's
go to Don in Ogden tonight. Don, How are you
welcome to the show?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Doing well? Hey, I just thought i'd give you a
little history. Back in the olden days, there was a
dance pavilion up on top of that. You've ever hiked
up on there? There was a picnic and dance pavilion.
And there are steel pipes still that are sticking up
there and anchored in there, some of them in samanth
in that and some holes where there used to be pipes.

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So they may have taken advantage of that, leaved one
of those or something, and that may be part of
the reason why it could have gone up real fast.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Did they have a stairway or something to get up
on into that pavilion? Done? Did they?

Speaker 11 (37:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Way back when, way back when there was a whole
platform up there, dance pavilion, lit holes on each corner
where they would be like like, you know, hang stuff. Yeah,
it was it was way back when, But that could
be what they did.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
To help that. Wow, how'd they do that?

Speaker 11 (37:49):
So?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Fast.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I love that background. What see we call that institutional memory.
This is great to hear the history of that rock
and all the other things. So it's not like this
thing has been untouched, you know forever. I mean it
used to be a dance pavilion up there. People used
to swim from there. If you put it in even
a larger perspective, the flag flying at the top of
there even becomes less of a controversy and more of

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something nice to look at. For our caller that we
we somehow missed call back.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Now, I think he's scrolling back. We'll try and get him.
We need to take a break and we'll get back
to him. The flag on black Rock, Should it stay
or should it go? Isn't there a song like that?
Should it stay? Or something like that? Something like that?
Your calls, your comments eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero on your cell phone, dial pound two fifty
and say hey Rod or leave us coming on our

(38:39):
talk back line. Just download the iHeartRadio app and you
can figure out how to do that. The flag on
black Rock.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Black Rock, the actual rock, not the hedge fund that
we hate.

Speaker 12 (38:50):
It is.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
A flag appeared recently and leave it to state government
to make a You know, Utah Division of Forestry five
and State Lands are involving law enforcement. They're trying to
figure out who did it. They didn't pull out the
permits right permise to do it. It's on a registry.
Blah blah blah. My point is a state of Utah
has a lot of things as the state to do.

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I gotta imagine there's a to do list and this
shouldn't even be on it right now. But what say
you folks?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
All right, let's go to the phones. We're talking to
Randy in Lehigh. Randy, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (39:25):
I'm pretty good? Uh dollad you'd think that I'm proud
of whoever did that. You know, I don't care what
the Forest Service or anyone says.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah me either.

Speaker 13 (39:34):
I guess what I'm trying to say, Rod and Greg
is here. About a year and a half ago, they
were talking about building a statue of liberty on point
them out right, Yes, okay, what would have happened and
what would have people said if they'd have done that?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
There were two hands clasped together as it was a monstrosity.
I think airplanes would have wrecked into the ground. I
think pilots would have just like veered and been scared
at what they saw, you know.

Speaker 13 (40:03):
So much painted on it. But anyway, it's it's sad
when someone supports the United States of America and then
people want to desecrate it. It were supposedly desecrated. Quite
they say, But I'm proud of who did it.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
That's all right. You know, I hate say this, but
I think I like that statue I did the south
end of the all.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I have to bring that up again. You said this.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
That was one of our first arguments.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I know, and I I cautioned you to not express
support for that.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
You want that argument.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I think birds are going to fly into it. They're
gonna be blinded by it. I think planes are crash
staring at it, not even realizing where they are anymore. Things.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
It's just terrible, all right, Well, what's not terrible is
that flag. Let's go back to the phones and talk
with Jason, who's in Tuilla. Jason, what do you think
of that flag at black Rock?

Speaker 6 (40:53):
Well?

Speaker 14 (40:54):
I travel every day from Twilla to Salt Lake, and
I will say it's been refreshing to see.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
I think it's been realless as.

Speaker 14 (41:00):
A way to unify the country rather than tear it apart.
I understand they may need to do something about it
because it may not have been done to the proper channels.
But let it stand for what it is meant to be.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I hear here that and that is there is nothing
wrong with that. Now we have a great listener who
just forwarded pictures, even old pictures of how it used
to beach used to come right up to it. How
they had a they had flag, they had a pavilion
up there. I'm now looking at these are artists renderings,
but my goodness, it is. It's quite an elaborate thing

(41:34):
they had going on up there. But again, institutional memory
of the State of Utah, when you put it into
into this kind of perspective, even having that flag should
not have been a big deal at all. And and
now the state hasn't has made it a big deal
by pointing it out, by saying that they didn't authorize it,
there were no permits, And now they are investigating and
engaging with law enforcement on this. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah? All right, back to the phones. Let's go to
Wit in Springville here on the Rod and Greg Show,
High Wit, how are you real good?

Speaker 14 (42:04):
So I think the state legislature.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Oh do we lose them again black Rock? Wait? We
lost you, you said, and then we lost you for
a second.

Speaker 14 (42:16):
Yeah, okay, I think the state legislature should officially memorialize
it as the Charlie Kirk Memorial at black Rock.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I like that it was. I mean, it did come
out and when that happened.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
Yes, if it's done by the legislature, then you know
it can't be taken down.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Like that idea.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I'm writing that down. I know, I know a few
people up there still you do. Yeah, I don't think
they lit in the building anymore. They do sometimes. I
got I got, I got connections, I got people, I
got people. I'm gonna Actually, that's a super good idea.
And I think that that that that flag should stay
exactly where it is.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, all right, let's squeeze in one more call before
the break. Let's go to Lisa in Magna tonight. High Lisa,
how are you?

Speaker 15 (42:59):
Can't you wonder if well? Thank you for taking my
call of the show. Thank you to let you know
as a person who's as a person who lives here
and has visited Black Rock in the past, and unfortunately
it's become a place of trash and graffiti and there
isn't a lot of respect for that. So I think

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this was kind of elevated as a historical marker by
having the great symbol of America and freedom, and they
should just leave it alone and concentrate on bigger things.
So I completely agree with both of you.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
All right, Alicia, thank you. You know that's a great idea.
I mean, you've got the flag there, maybe people won't
trash it up or graffiti it up if they if
they have the flag there a little more respect.

Speaker 16 (43:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
As I'm looking at these old renderings of the activity
around there, you can see how they would have been
able to erect that flag because there's probably, as the
one color note noted, probably some still foundational places where
you could put a pole of a big size into
that area up there. Oh, it used to be stuff
up there.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
More your calls and your talk back comments coming up
on the Rotten Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Thinking kind of in the same track, we are like,
are you kidding me?

Speaker 11 (44:03):
This?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
The state has made this the big deal. It is
not a big deal. It should have just been quietly
moved on. And because you know it, they've They're the
ones that have made this into I think, a controversy
so unnecessarily and it's something that is good, but I
would like to hear more, actually from our listeners. Let's
go to the phones. Let's go to Debbie, who's been
waiting in draper. Debbie, thank you for holding. Welcome to

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the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (44:29):
Hello Rod and Greg. So I'm old enough that I
used to go to Great Salt Lake every year with
my family and black Rock was a nice place. And
when I saw that flag out there, I was kind
of sad. It was kind of decrepit. And rather than
spending time finding out who did it, how about spending
time fixing it up and keep it at there because
they're not doing anything else with that land.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
There you go.

Speaker 9 (44:51):
My second comment is I'm with you, Greg, because that
statute of responsibility was despicable.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Debbie speak, it's truth to power. She is dom with
Debbie on this all the way. Thank you, Debbie, for
it is true that the thing is going to cause accidents?

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Was she was she giving me a subtle dig?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Not you just and I warned you about this.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I told you before.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Don't don't re earth, don't unearth your old opinion on
that because it's not well received, because it's not really.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
It is, all right, all right five seven eight zero
one zero. Let's hear from some of our listeners on
our talkback line today. Here a couple of the comments,
Rod and Greg.

Speaker 16 (45:32):
This is Scott and Tuila. I just want to voice
my support for that flag on black Rot. I was
coming back from West Jordan. I lived here in Tuila
and I saw that. I it brought just a great
pleasure to me to see it out there.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Whoever did it? Good on them? Yeah, good on them? Yeah,
I like that idea. Good on them.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (45:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
A listener just said in our in our messages, said that,
as me, having been a member of our state legislature,
is there is there a way that the state legislature
itself can say to the Division of Forestry and leave it,
just leave it?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, And I do.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I do think there is, And I think there's some
informal communications that could occur, but there's also some formal
uh work that could be done to allow that flag
to stay as as it is. So yeah, no, there's
some there's some levers that can be pulled and there.
It's just so sad that in the time we live
in with all that we're dealing with, this is this
is where the state of Utah, and it's this division

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needed to draw a bright line of controversy. I just
can't believe this was on the to do list at all,
let alone on the front at the top of this
to do.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, back to the talk bag line.

Speaker 17 (46:43):
So with the flag issue on the rock, my question
is is what they have any issues with it?

Speaker 11 (46:49):
If it was a gay.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Pride flag that was flying on that rock instead, Yeah,
I would too, I'd have a big problem with it.
And this is why it should have just not be
would have been unsaid, a should have just left it
up there. It's a great testament. People did this after
the September tenth political assassination, which, by the way, September
eleventh is the next day. So what the motivation was

(47:13):
between September eleventh September tenth when this political assassination happened.
All I know is that this state has been reeling.
We have felt a deep a wound from what's happened here.
This isn't our state. What's happened to see that flag
in that climate was something that's brought a lot of
people some happiness, and they should have just left it
and not made it into a bigger deal.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
My question is who's been hurt by this flag being there?

Speaker 6 (47:38):
The rock?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, I heard, the rock is saying thank you. More
people are looking fondly upon that rock right now than
they have quite some time.

Speaker 13 (47:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Here's another comment from a talkback listener.

Speaker 18 (47:51):
Hi, this is Clinton in Tuilla. I drive past that
flag multiple times a day, and I say, let it fly.

Speaker 8 (47:57):
Hi am proud, I love it.

Speaker 18 (48:00):
If that truly is the People's rock, then what better
way to represent it than by the people's flag.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Let it fly, Let it fly, yes, let it fly high.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Absolutely, absolutely, And so again you see this story and
I just think, having you know, been a public servant,
thinking man, I am convinced that this this division, which
is part of the Department Natural Resources, They they would
tell us in the legislature, especially around Bunchet time, how
much work they were doing, how many things they were
trying to whether it's the conservation and management of public

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lands that are state lands, forest fires. We don't have
any fires right now, but there's plenty to manage. There's
spent plenty to do. The conservation of these areas are
important to us. We want to show that we have
a state management plan that works. How on earth this
flag flying at the top became a big deal to them?
It's on their website, So I'm not I'm not. I
don't think I'm making it a big deal. It's being covered.

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They've got all these formal statements out there that they're
in contact with law enforcement to try and get to
the bottom of it. Just what a waste, What an
absolute waste of time and priority.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
They're probably some better things to do then complain about
that flag.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Maybe I can say is if you don't have anything
else to do, then now to be looking at highest
and best use of taxpayer dollars in terms of what
you should be doing.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Maybe there shouldn't be one of those.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Maybe they're all bored, they're just walking in the walls.
They got nothing to do. They plant Solitaire on their computers,
they got nothing to do. If this is their big issue,
if this flag flying is a five alarm fire, then
they don't have anything else to do.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
It could be their indication. All right, more coming up.
It is the Rotten Gregg Show with you. You're on
Utah's talk radio one oh five nine knrs. The state
is concerned about this American flag that has been put
on top of black Rock. Black Rock is that big
rock you see if you head out on I eighty
toward Nevada. And the state says they're investigating. They want

(49:48):
to find out what's going on, merely they don't have
anything better to do. I guess I'm not sure why,
but we're taking your calls on this. Do you like
it or do you not like it? Let's go to
our talk back line and see what people are saying.

Speaker 19 (50:00):
Here's one of our listeners, Hey, Greg and Rod Russ
from Treemont, and I wanted to make a comment about
the flagpole thing. I totally agree with Greg that it's
a drawing government resources that are best not suited. However,
we need to remember that it might create the same
effect on the back end of who's going to maintain
it and more so, who's going to defend it when
someone takes down that flag and puts something else up

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that has been controversial for a flag in Utah.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Or the maintenance of it. So I just want to
put that out there, good questions.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
It's a really good point, and I guess I guess
what I would say is that I agree with everything
you just pointed out. I think that those are issues
that would force themselves to get the Division of Forestry,
fire and statement as it manages that area to act,
versus jumping ahead of the pack and declaring it is
illegally placed up there, engaging law enforcement. We're going to

(50:53):
find out who did it, and you shouldn't have anything
up there. I I And now, because my big fear
is now we get into the flag game. I've had
a belly full of the flag game. You've got Salt
Lake City that's got like eight flags, that's their official
city flag now, and we just didn't. I just think
it's it picks a fight and brings attention to something
that was unnecessary. But I will say to our caller's point,

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at some point that flag would need maintained or needed
to be pulled down. I just don't know that being
proactive about all this was the play at all.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Here's another comment on the talk back line.

Speaker 20 (51:26):
Rod and Gregg, great show, great subject. I'd just like
to add to it that down in Moab there are
sandstone cliffs that have names carved into them today, they're historical.
If you try to deface them, you'd be shot. The
issue of this flag out there today, they chase you

(51:47):
down for it, and it should be set up as
a memorial to Charlie Cook.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, Charlie Cook. I think what he means.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, right, I think. And again I think that if
I'm hearing the same kind of emotion have as I
see it. I think the pictures of it are just unbelievable,
and as you're driving on I eighty it is. It
is an inspiring site. I hope that there's a public
outreach and that there's expression, public expression that would and
that would motivate the governor and the legislature to allow

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it to be left up there and let it be
the and maintain it for But I don't want to
get into this flag game. I just we've had it.
We've had enough of that in the state. I don't
want any more flag contests on which this flag goes up,
the other flag goes up.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Just let the let old glory fly up there. It's
it's beautiful and we need it as a state.

Speaker 12 (52:37):
Another comment, like a previous caller said, get the state
legislators involved. But if the UVU will not put up memorial,
make that the Kirk memorial.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, that's easy way to do it.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
And you know you can have more than one too.
I mean, there's enough people upset about what's happened here
in Utah and it doesn't reflect our state that you
could have both and and it wouldn't be too many
for me.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
We've been interested tonight to hear from people in to
Will and to Willa County because many of them drive
by it every day. Here's David and t Willa. You're
what he has to say, David, how are you welcome
to the show?

Speaker 11 (53:15):
Good?

Speaker 6 (53:15):
Thank you? Yeah, trying to took the picture and posted
it on Facebook and all of the groups in the
effort to try and get a movement. Make it a
temporary monument to you know, whatever what anybody wants it
to be. But the installmation of the flag was they

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utilized an existing hole that was up on top of
the rock. There's no permanent damage done to the rock.
It's it's it's easily removed. So you know, I just
I don't know what the big deal is. Yeah, but
I think it's a great patriotic symbol.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yeah, yeah, David, thank you for that. And we tried
to figure out, okay, how'd they get that up there?
And now David has told his house.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
It was proffered by one of our callers that this
could already be an existing infrastructure, and sure enough David
calls in and confirms it. That's exactly how that was
able to be put up as quickly and as as
well as it was. Let's keep going. Let's go to
Kyle and Orum. Kyle, welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (54:29):
Ki, Greg, I will go maintain it.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Me and you both. Kyle. I'm with you, Cal, I'm serious.

Speaker 11 (54:38):
I mean I heard, I heard just a moment ago
you said you were going change the flood.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
I will go do two.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Oh. Well, we really appreciate that, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You hear that emotion. That's that's what we're all feeling
in the state right now.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah. That flag is a way to unify so and
boy do we need it after what has happened the
last couple of weeks here in the state of Utah. Well,
we'll see what ends. It'll be interesting to see how
this all ends up.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Greig.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
If they just I agree with you, and I agree
most of our colleagues. Right now, leave it alone. Yeah,
just leave it alone.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Simple. Thank you would have been nice, you know, I
mean honestly.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
All right, more coming up another full hour on its
way with the Utah Talk Radio one oh five nine
can or rest the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
And the maps. And you know, in most states be
it Texas, Ohio, Florida, Missouri, now you have Republicans that
are redrawing. Things have changed. There's been some court cases,
there's just been different issues that have come up where
redistricting mid without the census kind of mid decade is

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upon us. And you've got Gavenuessom in California doing it.
We've got this controversy of our maps here in Utah,
and it's a judge and it's the left that is
pushing Utah to redraw. And it's not to create stronger
Republican districts. It's to find a Democrat district somewhere in
the state. And so too, I think joining us to
discuss this. How are they getting around the court's orders

(56:11):
for this? What do they call them? It the symmetry,
the symmetry test, artisan symmetry, Artisan symmetry test. They don't
have it to find, but it is something that you're
supposed to understand or you're supposed to put some language around,
and I think it's all legal mumbo jumbo, but to
try and make some sense out of it, we have
State Center Brady Bremer joining us.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Sendor. Thank you for joining us tonight. We appreciate you
coming down on the show. Can you give us an
update first of all as to where we are on
this whole redistricting process.

Speaker 7 (56:40):
Yeah, so the redistricting Committee has has five maps before
them that they published for public comment, and they're going
through that process. They've been really diligent to following the
Prop four language, you know. And then what my bill
does is a little bit on the side of that

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in the sense that what it does is prop for
provides for they need to do a partisan symmetry test,
but it doesn't say.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
How to do that.

Speaker 7 (57:12):
It doesn't provide what statistical models will be used. And
in fact, the judge specifically said the legislature retains the
retains the ability to make those maps to or excuse me,
to make those statistical models. And so that's what my

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bill does, is it provides some statistical models, and the judge.
You know, what her order also said was that the
language of prop for is vague and non specific, and
that's why she invited the legislature to make those make
some choices as to which statistical models should be used.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
So, I like, I think I've read it, but I'd
love for you to share with our listeners a symmetry test,
a non partisan symmetry test with statistical significance. Maybe you
can explain what it is that you're pursuing. I know
it's under drest by the way. I know this isn't
I mean, the legislature has all the rights constitutionally to
do this, having been a member of that branch of government,
so I know this isn't what you would have thought

(58:14):
of on your own. But since you're being asked by
this judge or told by this judge, to have this
statistical symmetry test, maybe you can share what you've come
up with.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
Yeah, so we've essentially got three decades of redistricting litigation
that we can see, you know how these are litigated
and and in fact, the League of Women Voters is
in the middle of quite a bit of it. And
so when they go to litigation. What ends up happening
is there is a battle of the experts. Now the

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court invited us to resolve the issue before it gets
to that point as far as the battle of the experts.
But really what it is is there's you know, probably
about three maybe four potential statistical tests that could be used.
And what we've done is even the size of our state,
because several of the tests can't be used if they're

(59:06):
if your state has less than six districts and we
only have four. We chose the model, you know, based
on the academic literature and on discussions with you know,
with those that are doing redistricting, the experts on that
that just study this for political science purposes all the time.
We chose the model that best suits these circumstances mathematically

(59:28):
that we will be dealing with in terms of measuring
whether a map is has partisan symmetry or not.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
What doesn't mean does it?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
No, it doesn't mean fifty?

Speaker 7 (59:43):
No. No. What you're what you're really looking for is,
you know, you do take into account to some degree
what the electoral makeup is. You can't get to fifty
to fifty in a state like Utah, where they've you know,
for the past several decades, they've never voted fifty to
fifty between Republicans and Democrats, and statewide elections, it's been

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typically in the sixty forty seventy thirty range. And so,
you know, with that in mind, how do you draw
fair maps? And basically what you do is you say, okay, yes,
there's a difference in partisanship in the state. But if
we were to if you set a point at fifty
to fifty and then adjusted for the for the partisan

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makeup of the state, if you move five points off
of that to one side, how does that impact the map?
And then if you move five points to the other side,
how does that impact the map? And is that equal
given the partisan makeup of the state. If it's not,
then your map may have some you know, some partisan unfairness.

(01:00:50):
If it is equal, then you've you've tried to strike
the right balance. So that's really what we're trying to do.
We're trying to make it so that the voters determine
who represents them and not the map. If you have
a map that's drawn in a funky way, then the
map determines who represents them. As opposed to the voters.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
The critics, of course, are attacking you, saying this idea
undermines what proposition for is all about. Does it in
your opinion, No, I don't think it does it all.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
In fact, what it does is it it does what
legislators are asked to do all the time, take vague
and ambiguous terms and provide clarity so that parties can
act with certainty in abiding the law. And so what
we're trying to do is really just okay, rather than
have it be you know, we're going to get to
a point where where the judge is looking at this.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
You know, is it fair? Number one?

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Is it fair to a judge to say, okay, now
you determine whether this is a partisan you know, whether
this is fair from a partisan standpoint or not.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Now the judge will have to do that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
But in determining what, you know, what standards should be applied,
the judge has said the legislature has discretion in that determination,
and so we should take that up. We should make
the judges job easier, you know, and the parties should
know when they make their maps that those maps comply
or they don't. They shouldn't have to wait for litigation

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on every single map. We shouldn't be litigating this if
it's done correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
What I like is that this redistricting is a national
issue now with the start of Texas. But now you
have Ohio that's re drawing maps, you have Florida talking
about it. I think Missouri just did. Gavin Newsom's talking
about this, putting something in front of the voters in California.
This is a national issue. But what you're usually seeing
is legislatures working on this. And but this is where

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we have, uniquely in Utah, a judge telling the legislature
what you did, go back to the drawing board. But
where I've heard this discussion nationally, they've pointed I think,
like you're talking about the percentage of Republicans in a
given state versus what do those maps look like in
terms of the representation of Publicans If you have, say
a state like Massachusetts, is there any representation. What I

(01:03:06):
believe you're trying to do what I thought I read
is look if republic if Democrats are getting thirty to
forty percent of the vote statewide, then when you're redistricting maps,
thirty to forty percent probably is what an accurate reflection
of the of the voters statewide in the state of Utah,
what congressional districts ought to look like, particularly when you're
just talking for not thirty four or twenty four something

(01:03:27):
like that. Is that Is that a fair assessment what
I just described?

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:03:31):
Yeah, And here's the other thing. You know, there's oftentimes
criticism of the legislatures are saying, well, you're trying to
crack the maps and meaning divide up the amount of
Democrats that are in each seat. But then on the
other side, what has essentially been demanded out of prop for,
which isn't improp for. If it was, it would have

(01:03:52):
never passed. But what they're demanding is that the maps
be packed, that all Assault Lake and every Demo crat
district be put into one district so that it's a
super Democrat district with a ninety five plus percent chance
of winning.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
And that has some bad effects.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
Number one, it's not realistic to the overall makeup of Utah.
But number two, what it does is it creates one
district that cannot be won by a Republican, but it
also creates three districts that can never be won by
a Democrat. So that's a classic packed map. And so

(01:04:29):
what you're trying to do is set a standard that
captures both packing and cracking. If we're going to be
serious about whether a map has partisan bias in an
unfair way, it has to take into account both scenarios
and it can't go too far in either direction.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
State's enter Brady Bramer joining us on our Newsmager line,
talking about redistricting, and already his idea, which I think
both of you know, we both think this is a
terrific idea. Democrats don't like it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Well, they all this is to try and get the
Democrats to get another seat. That's a very narrow majority
of Republicans and they're and they're just trying to they're
trying to eke a seat out of the out of
red state Utah, which is so offensive to me, especially
when the judicial, the judiciary, which is an equal in
separate branch, have said we're gonna we're gonna dip our

(01:05:19):
toe into the legislative branch's duties and we're going to
tell you how that you're going to redistrict. I think
it is such an offense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Anyway, well, I think it's offensive Greg this is exactly
what the Democrats want. But do you think they'd come
out and say it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
He no, No, I mean we want to. You know,
it's like everything else in this world. You know, it's
fair what they want, that's it, that's that's their definition.
It's what they want, it's their power, it's how they
get it. It's how they are able to get power.
That's what's fair to them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
That's what's fair. You're right, mare coming up Rod and
Greg with you on Talk radio one oh five nine.
Kay an us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
We appreciate it, We appreciate the shout pack.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, we'll we'll get to them here in just a minute.
But I did want to bring up this, uh, a
story that Steve Moore had in his morning email that
he sends out to everybody, called the Committee to Unleash Prosperity. Right,
here's the headline. There's one thing voters hate more than
the Republicans Democrats. That was the headline. There have been

(01:06:16):
some polls that have come out showing that the president
is underwater on several issues, and Democrats say, hey, we
got a chance to win in the midterms, right control
the House and Senate. Well, listen to what CNNs Harryenton,
one of our faves, has as he breaks down some
of the latest polling on the midterm elections. Yeah, what
are we seeing, you.

Speaker 21 (01:06:35):
Know, Donald Trump being underwater Democrats and all this guarantees
us we're gonna fly high in the midterms. Let me
tell you this guarantees you nothing. Nothing because at this
particular point, the Democrats are the New Orleans Saints and
political parties. What are we talking about, trust, the dens
or GOP more?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
On the economy?

Speaker 21 (01:06:52):
Who leads on the economy Republicans by seven Immigration, Republicans
by thirteen. How about crime? A big issue for Donald
Trump and the republic Look at that lead by twenty
two points. So the bottom line is this, at this
particular point, the ball may be on the ground, but
the Democrats have not picked up the ball and running
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
If anything, at this.

Speaker 21 (01:07:10):
Particular point, it's the Republicans who are running with the
ball on the top issues the economy, immigration, and crime.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
They got a lot of work to do, they sure do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Can I share a poll that was conducted between September
nineteenth and twenty first Ruters ipsos which party has a
better plan? Okay, Republicans are Democrats? Crime plus twenty for Republicans.
Immigration plus eighteen for Republicans, foreign conflicts plus twelve, economy
plus ten, corruption plus six, gun control plus four political

(01:07:43):
extremism plus four the environment Democrats plus fourteen women's rights
plus thirteen for Democrats, Democrats plus nine on healthcare and
respect for democracy plus two for the Democrats. So that
is with let's see their pool of voters or registered voters,

(01:08:04):
I believe. And so anyway, if you look at where
Americans are putting their faith in terms of which party,
it mirrors what you just heard Harry Enton saying that.
And this is more even reached. I think this is
more recent numbers that it really does look like you're right. However,
much they don't like Republicans, they don't like the Democrats
a lot more, No.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
They do not whatsoever. We wanted to get in a
few of more of our comments the last hour. We
took a lot of phone calls, some of your great
comments on the debate over the flag pole, the American
flag being hoisted on top of black Rock, and the
state says, well, we got to take a look at this,
and we're just saying leave it alone. Here's what a
few of our listeners have to say on the talk
back line.

Speaker 17 (01:08:46):
Hey, I haven't seen the flag, but to me, it's
a small glimmer of unity. If the state has an
issue with it, they should say the only problem we
see is it's not big enough and make it bigger.

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Thanks, seriously, why not that's what they should be saying,
They get bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Look at it this way, it's not the tree going
out to wind Over.

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
I really enjoy looking at a flog versus looking at
that piece of junk that we have going out to
wind Over.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
You're here, I haven't seen that thing in a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yeah I have, but I have, and it's still there
by the way, if you're wondering, but it is. It's
just and it is. It's it's who cares about that?
But that flag is just it's so great. And again,
for all the reasons that the you know, the state
felt like it wasn't put up there legally, they could
have internally dealt with that over time, kept it quiet.

(01:09:39):
There's got to be more things pressing for them to
work on right now and just let let it go
for now. It was it should not have been a
front of you know, front of mind issue to put
out statements, put on their website, all this other stuff
they're doing. It's just such an overreaction in a negative way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Yeah, yeah, one more coming. Clearly they haven't cared about
the year.

Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
There's a graffiti on it, but all of a sudden
you put an American flag on it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
People are losing their minds. That is a very good point.
I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
One of our colors said, why don't they start cleaning
it up out there? There's been a lot of a
lot of graffiti to you know, junk litter, everything else,
and no one seemed to worry there. So again, I
think it's I think that our callers have been pretty
pretty unified and saying there's something good going on there.
Don't don't mess it up, State, stay out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
All right, another half hour coming your way of the
rod In great show on Utah's Talk Radio one O
five nine. Can't arrest I'll let you knows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
That's right. These these patriots, these sheriffs, man, I love them.
They're duly elected by the people, and uh act accordingly?

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Are they are? They trained in a parking lot to
always back their cards.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
In, You know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
You should ask about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I need to ask there was I know they want
to always be ready to leave quick.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Yeah, and that's what I'm thinking. But I've noticed that
when you go to those conventions where there are a
lot of police officers, they always back the cards in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I notice that too. I I yeah, that's that is
That is definitely a trait and I'm sure there's quick
it is to be able to move if they get
called in an emergency, they can spring into action faster.
But now, I you lazy. I know that our audience,
you the listener, you would love all we have twenty
nine counties, so we have twenty nine duly elected sheriffs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah okay, and good guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
And I'm telling you you could. You could make a
You can make a movie or a mini series or
even a reality show over every share we have because
they are all just great human beings and they do
they actually the politics is the least favorite part of
what they do. They actually do, like the protect and serve.
Even when you get into the royal counties, all the
search and rescue, the things they are having to do,
they have to do. There is a lot going on

(01:11:48):
in Utah and these these are the people that you
want in charge. I do enjoy working with them a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
And the interaction that I've had with them over the years.
There are some characters out there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
And they're sure are and they're no nonsense too, which
I'm cut from that cloth. I like people that can
just get, you know, bottom line the situation very easily.
They have no problem. They're not they're not dressing it up.
And you know words, there's no word sunds with these guys. Yeah,
there's guys and there's Yeah, we have a we have
a Rosie who's from Sulty County. She's a sheriff as well,

(01:12:22):
good sheriff.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yeah. Well, moving right along. Over the weekend, let's see,
you had the United Kingdom, France, Spain, Belgium and several
others announcing they plan to recognize a Palestinian state. Now
my question is, how do you recognize a Palestinian state
when there isn't a Palestinian state, but apparently they want
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Well, it's like that's like these vote by mail ghosts,
these people that the dead vote that comes in by mail.
They aren't real, No, they're not alive. That's why they
vote by mail May they're shy. But same with a
Palestinian state. There's no such thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, no such thing. Well, joining us on our news
maker line to talk about that, as Paul McCarthy. He
is a senior research fellow at the of European Affairs
at the Heritage Foundation. Paul, thanks for joining us before
we talk about a palest Indian state. I know you
watch international politics very closely. Did you watch or listen
to President Trump's apperial appearance before the und today and

(01:13:13):
what'd you think?

Speaker 11 (01:13:15):
Yes? I did, and thank you. It's great talking with
you today. I did see Trump's speech at the UN
and it was a real barn burner.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Yes I was.

Speaker 11 (01:13:26):
I was particularly struck by his emphasis on how immigration
unbridled immigration on the one hand, and the green policies
of the Europeans have been pursuing for so long on
the other saying that they are ruining Europe. And that

(01:13:48):
is a view that I subscribed to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Absolutely. And so you Sill, you saw draw some bright
lines and really start saying, look, you got a problem
on your hands. And I think as far as he
went to say, you know, if you helped him power
Russia and putin everyone thought that that Trump was maybe
a puppet of Putin. That was what the liberals like
to say. But he says that they're in your airspace.
Shoot him down. He's being It's clear he's frustrated with Russia.

(01:14:14):
He's clearly frustrated with the UN. He's pointing out what
the United States is doing to protect its country and frankly,
what he's doing to try and stop wars or settle
wars around the world. What do you think the takeaway
from all this is going to be? I think that
Marco Rubio says that that the United States is more
respected and more reached out to in terms of needing
help than the United States has in the past. Is

(01:14:36):
this going to be up? Is the yount going to
get their act together or do they just need to
go away and give it to China or something. I
don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:14:46):
Well the UN, I mean, I spend most of my
time hating on the Europeans, but a lot of hate
should also be directed as towards the United Nations. I
think you're well, I mean, we hear as Heritage are
not big fans the United Nations. A lot of our money.
You're talking about a quarter of their budget is by
the American taxpayer. Enough of that failed peacekeeping missions. They

(01:15:11):
talk a lot about peace and justice and they do
neither at the end of the day and end up
rewarding terrorists as far as I can see. And we
pulling out of the Lebanon peacekeeping force known as UNIS though,
I think is absolutely justified. So I'm very supportive of that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Well, let's talk about the recognition that several countries gave
over the weekend, apparently to a Palestinian state. How do
you recognize a Palestinian state when one doesn't even exist?
I mean, how do you go about doing that?

Speaker 11 (01:15:42):
Ball Well, if I knew the answer to that question,
i'd be much richer than I am right now. But
obviously you can't. This is an imaginary state that they're
recognizing right now. This is ormance art on the part
of the Europeans right now. It is not real policy.

(01:16:06):
The United States showed when you actually have the power,
when you have a straightforward policy, you are able to
come to an agreement like the Abraham Accords that brought
together Arab countries with Israel. Now that's real peace and justice,
backed up by US power and resources. The Europeans bring

(01:16:30):
nothing to the table. We have had to run Middle
East policy for better or for worse, I would say,
over the past couple decades. Right now, President Trump has
been a critic of some of the things that we've
done in the Middle East, rightly so, but it's really
been it's been something that we've had to oversee and

(01:16:52):
the Europeans haven't done anything. So what are they doing here?
They're essentially rewarding Hamas for killing nearly thirteen hundred Jews
they butchered them on October seventh, twenty twenty three, without
any conditions attached. This is just extraordinary. AMAS can continue

(01:17:16):
doing what it's doing without any repercussions. And the Palestinian
state they're talking about is the Palestinian Authority, which is
run by President for Life Mahmoudabas, where they haven't had
an election in nearly two decades. They openly fund pay
for slay stipends to terrorists families, and they always refuse

(01:17:40):
to renounce Hamas, meanwhile being very anti Semitic. So I
am puzzled by this, and that's what drove me to
write this piece in real clear world.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
So there's a saying whatever you permit you get more
of Okay, so you've got you laid it out. You've
got United Kingdom, you've got France, Spain, Belgium. I think
Australia is in that. In that group that are all
recognizing Palestine as a state. Here's to tell When Hamas,
this terrorist, these butchers, these this terrorist organization are celebrating

(01:18:15):
in the streets and celebrating what these countries have done,
that should tell everyone that's not actually a good thing.
When these bloodthirsty demons are so excited. So where do
we go from here? They've actually legitimized and you're going
to get more of what the Palestinian state and Hamas
has done because they're getting clearly rewarded for it by
many countries. What but you contrast that with how the

(01:18:37):
United States is dealing with this. Does the United States
change its trade relationships with these countries that are recognizing Palestine?
What what happens now? In your mind?

Speaker 11 (01:18:47):
Well, what I argue in the peace is that there
should be repercussions. So that's Europe needs so much from
the United States. You mentioned trade also security, Garren ps
in NATO. Trump is doing the right thing. He got
them to agree to increase their contributions to NATO. Five

(01:19:09):
percent of their GDP is the target. But on the
trade front, they're really looking, they're really looking for goodies there,
and we shouldn't. We shouldn't give them everything that they want.
This should be a reciprocal relationship. Like with trade itself
and the way Trump approaches trade, It's not just about
free trade. It's about free and fair trade, a more

(01:19:32):
balanced trading relationship. And if we don't have that balance,
if you have countries which do not really contribute anything
to peace and security in the Middle East at the
end of the day, recognizing a Palestinian state which includes
hamas these butchers and at the same time are not

(01:19:56):
yet there with putting money for for in NATO and
so forth, then you know we have a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
This is a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Paul McCarthy from the Heritage Foundation joining us on our
Newsmaker line talking about a Palestinian state. A number of countries,
the US is one of few now that Greg that
is not even recognizing a Palestinian state. And like I said,
how can you recognize the state when it doesn't exist?

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
You can't, And I think it really undermines US as
a country and trying to thwart terrorism where they haven't
released hostages, and you're going to reward that by recognizing
them as a state. And like I said in our interview,
when you see Amas dancing in the streets celebrating what
you're doing, it's a tell that you did the wrong thing.

(01:20:42):
It really is. It's pretty easy to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Doesn't makes a lot of sense. All Right, more coming
up here on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, alright, it's been
so delightful Greg over the last two or three days
to once again see Kamala Harris. Yes, I mean she's everywhere.
She's everywhere, no matter where you turn. Here's Kamala talking

(01:21:05):
about her brand new book called one hundred and seven Days,
which should be named one hundred seven Excuses. That's just
one of the titles that should be given to that book.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yeah, and let me, folks, I just need to tell you,
and I don't know how much you how closely you
track her book tour and what she's saying, but what
she's trying to frame to the public is that she
was caught off guard, that she was not given enough
time to run a real race for president, and that
she was kind of undermined by the president, and that
he should have bowed out much earlier so that she

(01:21:35):
could have taken the path. They could have passed a
baton to her and given her much more than one
hundred and seven days to try and win that race.
Here's why that's a complete farce. If she if you
gave me one hundred if you gave me a billion
dollars and one hundred and seven days, that I could
bypass every every Republican debate, every primary in every state,

(01:21:58):
and I could go after at right at the time
of the national Convention and be anointed the Republican nominee
that would be called. I would say thank you. I
would think that would be a pretty good thing. What
she was given was a billion dollars, no debates, no states,
that she had to win a primary in her name

(01:22:18):
ID Unlike if I were to take that deal. Her
name idea is vice president is at a one hundred percent.
Everybody knows who she is. The media for at least
the first twenty one days of that that coronation or
attempted coronation was nothing but a parade, a victory parade.
They couldn't stop gushing over her, and she still blew
it that that one hundred and seven days and that

(01:22:41):
kind of money without having to ever compete for that
nomination in any way. What happens is when you run
for a party's nomination, if you're on the left, you
got to be as left as possible to win those
states and their Democrat primary, and then you got to
pivot back to the center to try and win a
presidential race. She never had to do any of that,
and she couldn't pull that off. And I'll tell you

(01:23:02):
it wasn't from a lack of trying. And anybody who
thinks that the regime media was tough on her, no,
they weren't. They absolutely did everything in their power to
make her out to be the greatest, most exciting candidate
we've ever seen, and she blew it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
She was just an awful candidate. Even today on the
view she blew the question about what would you do differently? Again,
she kind of skirted around it, I mean almost, And
she is burning bridges with so many Democrats right now. Greg, Yeah,
you know, and there's talk wels she doesn't have a
chance in twenty twenty eight forget Kamala Harris. I think

(01:23:35):
to be honest, the one to look out for my
personal opinion, AOC lookout.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Let her, let her look out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Look out. I mean I want her to run. I'd
love her to run, but look out, she could be
the Democratic noumber.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Yeah. I just do not shed a tear for Kamala Harris.
She was not mistreated in that press all. It was
a gift to put a bow on it, and she.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Blew it head up, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family in this great country of ours. To
talk to you tomorrow, AFO have a

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