The Rod and Greg Show: To Tip or Not to Tip; Myths About the Big Beautiful Bill

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What do you want to talk about? Because there's a
bunch of things, some of it happening as we sit
down getting ready for the program, and we have to
juggle everything around, everything around, all for a good reason.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Well, and we like to keep you up to date
on the freshest news that is available out there. And
that's our intended goal each and every day, folks.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I don't know if you know this, but a lot
of times the things that we really drill down on
I keep seeing on Fox the next day. I hear
it on the on the talk shows the next morning.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, we're keeping We're just head of the game. We're trendsetter,
we're ahead of the curve.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
All right, Now, a lot to get to today, and
well I outline it here in just a second. But
I know you and E Ray are baseball fans, big
baseball fans, right, do you know what?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Two?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Do you know what today is?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
What?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
You don't know what today is?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Do you know?

Speaker 5 (00:40):
You're right?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Let's see if he Ray can guess. No, no, no,
you know what it is today? What Bobby Bonilla day?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh July first, Bobby bow.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Bobby bo gets one point one nine million dollars from
the from the Mets, doesn't even like baseball.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Th eighteen years more to go on.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, he's got till twenty thirty five, and every year
he'll make one million.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Dollars Bobby Bania day.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's a Bobby Bania Day.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, folks, if you didn't know back in two thousand,
they didn't They wanted to pay him not to play.
We wanted to say, we don't want you to play
anywhere else, and we don't want you to play for us.
So we're going to take that last year of your
contract and we're going to spread it out over a
zillion years. Well at the time it might have felt
a little skinny, but it just keeps on paying every year.
July first, Bobby beniade.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
This a lesson out there to all you young kids
who are playing baseball. Play it for a few years,
do pretty well, and you could be set for life.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
And if you've got management like the Mets, they could
pay you a one point three mil for you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Get out of the Mets who don't know what they're doing.
All right, let me tell you what we're going to
be talking about today. Of course, the big beautiful bill
passed this morning on a vote of fifty one to fifty.
Thank you to jd Vance for breaking the tie. We'll
get into that. We'll talk about you know, what is
going on with with people in agriculture who need work.

(02:00):
The President is trying to do something about them as
he cracks down on illegal immigration. I want to know, Greg,
and maybe you can explain this to me. What all
the fuss is about tipping?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Every time?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
There are stories out there and I don't know why
people are upset about tipping.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
No I I well, I do.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
You have a theory?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I do?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Okay, we'll get into that. We'll talk about that. Also,
Derek Brown will join us, the attorney General for the
state of Utah, and Jason Chafitz is with us today.
He's in the house a little bit later on today.
He'll talk about a brand new book in his reaction
to the One Big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yep. Both are very very insightful. You want to catch that.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, yeah, they'll be with us. So great show lined
up today. We want you to be a part of it.
Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero
or on your cell phone to I'll pound two fifty
and say hey, Rod, don't forget our talk back line.
All right, story that broke in just last couple of hours. Greg,
big win for young women, A huge win I think
today for fairness, I think for truth and for women's sports. Now,

(03:01):
what do we mean by that? Transgender swimming champion Leah
Thomas will be stripped of the University of Pennsylvania swimming
titles after the Ivy League school bowed to pressure from
the administration. The probe found that you've been violated Title nine,
allowing males to compete in female athletic programs and occupy

(03:23):
female only intimate facilities. They said, that's done, we aren't
dooying this anymore. Will come up with a definition for
male and females, but there will no longer be any
males participating in female athletics at the University of Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
So what I love about this is Department of Education
in this announcement, This is with the University of Pennsylvania.
This isn't them telling University of Pennsylvania what to do.
This is really the University of Pennsylvania is not trying
to make excuses. They're not trying to wordsmith their way
around it. They're not trying to justify anything. They are
apologizing formally to the athletes male. They're college athletes that

(04:02):
were put through this and lost to a male. They
are stripping him of his of his awards. Anyway. I
just think it's it's so matter of fact and it's
not gamed up. It's just such a matter of fact
admission that they were wrong and what happened was wrong.
And I think that's a big, big that's an important
moment for us because this has been debatable for some reason.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, here's Education Secretary Linda bing Maahn announcing that they
are going to apologize.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
The university will be sending a personal apology to every
female athlete who was forced to compete against amer.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Greg What have we talk about this country is getting
back to fairness and getting back to common sense. And
this is just common sense, folks. You cannot allow a
man to compete against a woman in a woman's sport,
even though he may think he's a woman, and it
shoul should be allowed. It should have never got to
this level. But you saw a lot of rageous people

(05:00):
and it actually took courage to stand up against this,
this mind virus as Elon called it, uh and just
and what what this does is how does the University
of Pennsylvania walk back these apologies? So, in other words,
you could say, okay, fine, whatever, we'll stop or we won't,
But no, they are saying, we are going to apologize

(05:22):
if if this pendulum tries to come back and put
guys back into these girl sports. How does the University
of Pennsylvania reconcile what they're doing right now by apologizing
and stripping these records. Yeah, I think this is a
really important stake in the ground in terms of getting
back to just sanity. Yeah, with boys playing girl sports
or not playing girls get here we have the Democratic

(05:43):
Party still defending them. Yeah, it's and the Democratic Party
is going why does anybody like us think about it
for just out second? Now, Another big story happening late
this afternoon Elon Muskin Dooge as they began their initial
assessment of fraud and waste in the federal government. The
first organization they chose was USAID or USAID. Right, they

(06:06):
found abuses in there, NGO's getting millions of dollars for
their own personal little benefit. Well, today Marco Robil officially
announced it's closed. USAID is done. It is a cut
it down.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
It blows my mind because this thing was living on
life support, but it would saying Okay, you can cut
some of it, but not all of it. They were
just trying to find different ways to maneuver around all
the and in no uncertain terms. The Secretary of State
says that they cease operations as of what today is.
I love today's it no longer operates it is at all. Yeah,
this might be one of those zombie agencies, but I

(06:43):
hope it's not. I hope that this is real, because
that is bigger and better than I thought you could
you could do to the swamp. I thought they were
more resilient than that, and you're glad they're not.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
You are going to absolutely love this. This is how
CNN treated the story this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (06:58):
Secretary of State Marco Rubio is hey the end of USAID,
the nation's largest foreign aid agency, even as a new
analysis finds that its closure could contribute to some fourteen
million deaths in the next five years.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Fourteen million deaths in the next five years because we've
closed USAID.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I mean, someone else tried to peddle that number and
they got mocked for doing it. Because fourteen million people
could die is such it is so irresponsible to put
it into perspective. The Holocaust Nazi Germany from nineteen forty
one to nineteen forty five, it was approximately six million juice,
which is so unbelievably horrific, and they just roll off

(07:38):
the tongue. Fourteen million people. We're going to die. Okay
now and now to the weather. Fourteen million people are
going to die because they closed this. We're going to
move on. The Holocaust was six approximately six million, and
we and it's a stain on humanity and they just
roll just fourteen million people were going to die. Now, Okay,
that's just it is just irresponsible.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
The initial number came from Bone Lead singer with YouTube
Remember so Much. Right away he said, three million people
are gonna die because of this decision. Now the number's
gone to fourteen million.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's because they have no I mean, there are no
bounds in which they are willing to go. Nothing holds
them back from the lies they'll tell. And that's why
there I don't think they have much credibility. I think
it keeps getting lost. If anyone thought about that number
for three seconds, they would know that it is just
a bald faced lie and They don't give it enough
seriousness for it to be fourteen million. They don't talk

(08:29):
about it long enough for that number to be real.
It's an absolute lie.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Fourteen million. Come on seeing man, all right, when we
come back, we are going to take a look at
the one Big Beautiful Bill passed the Senate. Back to
the House, we go. The President a happy guy today.
We'll talk about that coming up. Great to be with
you on this Tuesday afternoon, the Roddy and Greg Show
on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine KNRA. Well,
after about twenty four hours of back and forth, the

(08:54):
Senate today finally approved the One Big Beautiful Bill. This
would have sounded like mid morning in the US Senate.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
On this vote, the Ya's are fifty, the Na's are fifty,
the Senate being evenly divided. The Vice President votes in
the affirmative. The bill as amended is passed.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Final vote from JD Vance, breaking the dead block fifty
one to fifty. The one Big Beautiful Bill that Donald
Trump wanted has passed the Senate. Now back to the House.
No telling me what's going to happen, Greg.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
It'll be an interesting process. I mean, there's a lot
of things that the House sent over there that they
probably want to see stay in the bill. Some of
that's come out, but I do think there's I think
there's more steeper cuts in this Senate version, which some
of the fiscal consertis in the House should like. So
it'll be You're right, it'll be interesting. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 9 (09:39):
Well.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Joining us right now on our any our newsmaker line
to talk about that is Kurt Kauchman. Kurt is a
senior fellow for fiscal policy at the Americans for Prosperity.
Joining us on our newsmaker line, Kurt, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (09:52):
I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back. I'm excited
to be with you today.

Speaker 11 (09:55):
Kurt.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Let's talk about some of the myths that are out
there when it comes to this. Let's talk about, first
of all, this myth going out there that only the
wealthy are going to benefit from these tax are these
Trump tax cuts? Talk about that if you would.

Speaker 10 (10:10):
Yeah, Actually, Americans of all income levels are going to
be getting tax cuts. You know, an average household is
going to be experiencing about a two thousand dollars tax
cut relative to what would have happened if the Trump
tax cuts were expiring at the end of the year. Thankfully,
we're avoiding the tax increase, and there's a lot of
other really good stuff in the bill. The tax rates,

(10:32):
the marginal income rates are lower than the otherwise would
be the standard deduction to increase substantially during the Tax
Cuts and Jobs Act in twenty seventeen. That is remaining
where it is. So a lot of this is about
avoiding a tax increase. But then there's some additional provisions
that will increase investment and productivity and that will increase

(10:55):
the earnings of workers all throughout this country.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know, I love that you're saying that, because it's
there are just so many just this is just one example.
Here's another example of what drives me crazy. One of
the things that Doge did and one of the things
that we've seen since President Trump took off or took
Ye took office, is it that our medicaid, our our system,
even in social Security, all these entitlement programs, there's so
much waste. Forget about we're not talking about affecting Grandma

(11:21):
or you know, with her social Security or Medicaid for
those that need it. The waste and fraud that's been
going on needs to be addressed. This bill, as I understand,
does only that. But I'm told by Democrats that this big,
beautiful bill, it destroys Medicaid and everyone's going to suffer
and they're not going to be able to have their
health care paid for. Can you clarify that for us?

Speaker 10 (11:41):
Why? So, in fact, what this bill will do is
refocus medicaid on the vulnerable populations for whom it was intended.
So what happened is during Obamacare, when that was enacted,
there was additional money basically bribing states to expand and
the population is able bodied adults who are work age,

(12:04):
who don't have kids, and so it expanded to them,
but at a much higher federal reimbursement rate for those
people than for the vulnerable people to medicated was set
up for. And then that was pushed even further during
the pandemic by the Biden administration. They didn't do enrollment
checks to make sure people were actually eligible under the law.

(12:27):
So there's all this stuff that has cropped up. States
are gaming the system. They have this payroll or this
provider tax scam where they put like a one hundred
million dollar tax on their hospitals, but then they use
that as a match for the federal payment, and then
they just give it back to the hospitals with the
additional money on top of it. It's crazy. So this
bill is actually making services more available for the traditional

(12:50):
incredibly vulnerable populations that Medicaid is supposed to serve, and
also doing the same thing for Medicare patients because so
many medical resources are going to this population of able
bodied adults without dependence.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
So, Kurt, are you saying that people who really need
medicate and benefit from medicaid will not be impacted by
the passage of this bill?

Speaker 10 (13:14):
That is correct?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
That easy?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh, you know, I could do.

Speaker 10 (13:20):
But they're certainly moving in that direction, so there's more
work to do. Always, no bill is perfect. I've been
around DC for a while now, and I've never seen
a big bill that's been perfect. But this is a
very good bill with a lot of very good provisions.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Talk about the exploding deficit. This is a particular rub
for me if you tell me that. And I know
there's additional tax cuts, but for the most part, where
CBO seems to be saying, the Congressional Budget Office is saying, well,
the deficits are going to explode. They are assuming that
your tax rate as you pay it today is going
to go up by a lot. And if it doesn't
go up, well that's going to be a deficit. Last

(13:54):
time I checked, If tax rates stay the same and
I'm paying the same amount and your deficits federal government
go up, you've got a spending problem. I don't have
a tax problem my money. I haven't if I don't
pay one red cent more, how did your deficits go up?
It help our listeners understand how they have gained the
concept of an expiring tax cut and now we've got

(14:15):
to give a new tax cut. It's actually keeping your
tax rate from going up. That's all they're doing.

Speaker 10 (14:21):
Yeah, so let's not blame CBO. Let's blame Congress for
requiring CBO to score it in this way. But you're right.
I mean, if you take the current taxes that people
are paying and you just extend that, then CBO scores
that because Congress wrote a statute that says how they
have to do that by about four trillion dollars over
the next decade. And so when CBO is scoring this legislation,

(14:45):
they're coming in about three point three trillion dollars, so
it's actually there's savings relative to just a pure extension.
But there's some pretty significant improvements in the tax code,
the full expensing for businesses, Like it's just economic logic
that a business pays taxes on its income and income
is the difference between its revenue and its costs. Well,

(15:08):
unless you have expensing, then you're not actually letting them
deduct their costs in the right way. And so this
bill puts expensing in permanently, and so we get that
we'll get a flood of investment and that'll be great.
But yeah, there is a problem with overspending, there's no
question about that. This bill does a lot to start

(15:28):
reforming the programs, but it's one piece of a comprehensive
strategy to get control of spending by eliminating some wasteful spending.
There's a lot more to do it, but it's part
of a chain. There's a lot more pieces that need
to fall into place before we can really get it
under control. We never expected we could fix the deficit
and the debt with a single bill, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, A curt final question for you, Yeah, what's it
going to take to get this through the House without
some major significant changes so that this can get on
the president's desk by July fourth.

Speaker 10 (16:01):
Yeah, I mean the votes might already be there. But
the other strategy that this leadership team has employed time
and time again is to make commitments to members. And
we don't know exactly what that could look like, but
it could be getting more recisions requests which are from
the President to cancel wasteful appropriate at spending. It could
be for votes on balance budget amendments. It could be

(16:23):
votes on fundamental budget process reform. It could be whatever
your imagining, you two. If members are thinking of it,
then they're probably talking with leadership about, hey, next step,
let's do this other thing. And I think that might
be the strategy that leadership uses to not only get
this done, but to also set up a series of

(16:44):
successes that will put America on a much better track
going forward.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Kurt is always great he have me on the show.
Thanks for a few minutes of your time today.

Speaker 10 (16:53):
Great to be with you.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Thanks guys, Thank you all right.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Kurt Couchman, senior fellow with the Americans for Prosperity, talking
about some of the missed that are out there when
it comes to the one big Beautiful Bill, and a
little bit later on, we'll talk with Jason Chafitz about
what the House needs to do to get this through.
We'll see what he is.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's still it's still got some work.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah it does, all right, mare coming up on the
Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
N R S was supposed to be old hat for you.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
The one thing I think I remember, the one thing.
I remember the tall ships that were arriving in New
York City to celebrate the fourth of July. Yep, I remember, Yeah,
Carter was he was no board, was president seventy.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Six, seventy four into Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
I have to think of it. I have to take
it through. I think it was.

Speaker 12 (17:44):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think, but he was finishing Nixon's term. He didn't
get reelected on his own. But yeah, no, I I
remember the ten It was a big deal. One of
the my early early memories. Uh huh, you know win
one one years? No, just kidding, I was older than that. Good,
I was in Greade School.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Good good, all right, Harry Enton, someone that we're studying
to really like.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I was missing one, Like we usually have Creary for
a while quite a bit, and we didn't have one.
I was like, where is Harry?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah? Found him, Yeah, we found him. He's on CNN.
He does a lot of analysis, a lot of which
I would think the people are seeing n say, oh,
don't do that one, Harry, don't do that one. But
there's a new one out and it talks about Donald
Trump's popularity compared to other Republican presidents before he was elected.
He broke down the numbers. Listen to this.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
It's history making. It's history making. What are we talking
about here? So why don't we look back? We have
all the president's Republican presidents going back over the last
thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven years. What are we
talking about? Gop who strongly approved five months and look
at this George HW. Bush Bush forty one, forty six percent,
Bush forty three, fifty nine. You see Trump the first
term fifty three, but look at this sixty three percent.

Speaker 13 (18:57):
He beats all the other Republicans on the board here.
And I was looking even back since Reagan and get this,
Donald Trump Beatsald Reagan when it comes to the strongly
approved five months, and of course Reagan was coming off
that high after that assassination attempt. So the bottom line
is Donald Trump is making history with the Republican base.
He is more beloved by this Republican base than any

(19:19):
Republican base loved any GOP president five months and it
is history making.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Here.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
We got a little excited.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
You see, Well, the data is astounding, and I think
that when you look five months into a term like
President Trump's to see sixty three percent of and by
the way, when he stays, hey, Republicans that support him,
there are people that self identify that way. Yeah, I'm
going to tell you that my guests are these self
identified Republicans. Prior to Trump wouldn't have necessarily identified as Republicans.

(19:49):
I think Trump has a very strong base of everyday
Americans who don't like politicians, don't really trust politics, or
politicians who do identify as Republican because of this president.
But if these Republicans think that's their crew, they might
they better follow Trump's lead because I think this sixty
three percent is a very broad group of Americans.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah, and people who like you have said before we've
talked about on the show. Typically are not engaged, voters
are not engaged in politics. But for some reason, Donald
Trump was able to pull him in, and by the
sounds of it, he's holding on to him right now.
I wonder if people who had never voted, voted before
or rarely vote right and were engaged because of this,

(20:30):
if they're still following him now I believe they are,
or if they just said he's in. We got the
guy in, He's doing the job.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I think they're paying attention. They're like, man, this was easy.
We just found the guy that like knows how to
you know, get rid of Iran and stop these wars
and and you know, get the border secured and retrade,
get fair trade deals around the world. Uh, why why
haven't people been doing this all along? Yeah, our guy
does that. I think I do. I think that if
you were cynical about politics and politicians, Donald Trump has

(20:57):
not made you more of a cynic. He is a
guy that I think is the delivering amazingly on the
things he campaigned on.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well, and it goes back to you know, all all
that he campaigned on, Greg is really in this one big,
beautiful bill I mean almost this is his campaign platform.
I'll do this, I'll do this, I'll do this. It's
all in that one big beautiful bill. Now people are
going to say, well, why don't you do it piecemeal?
Why does it have to be in one big beautiful bill.

(21:24):
But there's a reason for this, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (21:25):
There is.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
There's two reasons. One, you have to take every one
of these items in the big beautiful bill and try
attempt to vote on them individually. With the narrow majorities
you have in the House and Senate, you will not
I don't think you would have a majority on each
individual item by itself to get the to get it passed.
So it's what they call a Christmas tree It's a

(21:47):
legislative technique called a Christmas tree bill. Now, in Utah,
our state legislature, we have a single subject rule can
do You can't do that like you can do it
in Congress. But they're putting as much of that agenda
together into one bill. Taxes, the border, all these things
because they have to get its math. They got to
get the votes. Second issue is the timing. They have
to do it early enough before the midterm election cycle starts,

(22:09):
which is in January, they've got to do it. And
and the best motivation, and I hate to say because
I don't think it's a great commentary on Congress, is
take away their holiday. Oh you got their attention, take
away their month long recess and August you'll get their attention.
So when you put that artificial deadline, like you can't
go back for holidays, for fourth of July or for
August recess if you don't get this done, it does

(22:30):
actually put a more pep in their step. It's why
the House of Representatives during Obama's time passed Obamacare, which
was really hard all Democrats. On Christmas Eve Christmas you
can't get you can't have Christmas Day until you get
this thing passed. And they and it took them that long,
but that was the big deadline is we want to
go home for Christmas. It took them till Christmas Eve

(22:50):
to do it. So that's so it's those are some
of the time. That's kind of why it's it's done
that way. It's sausage getting made. You don't want to
see how it's made, I guess, but I do think
that part of this is also there isn't anything he
has to come back to the trough for uh, I
hate to call it a trough, but he can finish
the border wall. It doesn't need if the midterms don't
go his way. He doesn't have to ask Schumer for

(23:11):
a thing.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
All the all the things that are in his agenda
are being done here where he can finish out the
rest of this term without having to come back and
deal with the Democrats even if they get a stronger
foothold in Congress.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
And does don't worry about his tax cuts, which were
very important to finally become term that's become tournament permanent.
So there's a lot of things out there that he
won't have to worry about. I'm not sure what's next
on the agenda. He gets this done, where does he
go from here. We'll have to wait and see. First
of all, we've got to get this done. It's back
to the House. It's going to be interesting to see such.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
A narrow Yeah, such a narrow majority. There's there's gonna
be some strong negotiations going on.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, all right, A lot more to come on The
Roden Great Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one O
five nine can arrests Tipping.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Now we're not talking cow tips, tipping cows.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
There's cow tipping.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, No, I've heard about it. I think I tried once,
did you. I've heard about cow tipping. I've never done it.
But we're not that's not the type of tipping.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
And there was another article in one of the media
outlets this week talking about that the debate over tipping
is starting to fade.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
He really, look, Look, I I was a bell hop
at a hotel and growing up, Yeah, I parked cars
at Tambalini's restaurant as a kid. You know, I made
good tips parking cars. So as a valet or a
bell hop, tips are a big, big deal. I think, Rod,
I think that the tipping fatigue does not come from
legitimate tipping services. I think it's how when you pay

(24:41):
now electronically they put in front of you on the
receipt that started a line for a tip on things
that were never there's no service being received to tip for.
There's therein lies the problem. Okay, if you if I'm
hauling your bags, you know, up to your room and
I'm getting a you know, a bucket of ice, you know,
for you get a tip if you're bringing me if

(25:02):
I'm going to get pick up takeout and there's a
bag waiting for me at the counter, and I get
the bag of the takeout and I got to pay
the receipt, and that says tip right there. I don't
know what I'm tipping for. I'm coming into the restaurant.
That's different than getting us drinks and refilling our drinks
and you know whatever. There's there are servers, there are

(25:23):
service industries that you tip, and then there's things that
they are now giving you a line on the receipt
to add a tip to that you don't really feel
like you've had. I got service.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I will get into this because I got to hear.
See I'm like a guy will tip all the time.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
You're a pushover, You're a nice guy.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I'm a nice guy.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
You they are just rot. If you just picked, you
were better off not tipping than give them a dollar.
They're gone.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's all they're looking for is another dollar.

Speaker 14 (25:53):
Couple.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
When they say the percent't you figure it out real
quick in your head.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
If you nothing you've ever bought is a two dollars
tip for any You just said two dollars, everything's twenty percent.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
It doesn't have to be.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
It doesn't have to be.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
But that's.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Even do the math for you. They tell you how
much to put on that. Yeah, I mean I don't
have its coercional I'm a caring individual only I'm not
a chief scape. If it's a tipping If it's a
tipping service, I am generous on tips for real. I
have empathy in this space. It's the stuff they've added
that they've they and now they tell you to tip for.
That's just not tips. I mean you didn't no one's

(26:31):
it's not amazing.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
It's sandwich for you when they put in the bag.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's yeah, that is not that is not the service
I'm talking about. No, So I'd love to hear from listeners.
I don't know what what they're if I'm on the
wrong side of this or not. I think I could.
I actually could win this argument. You might, but I
think already I think not against you. I'm against tipping
for things that you're against kindness. Yeah, everything's a tip now,

(26:59):
it's just you know, it's just the means what a
real tip is worth her for If everything is for
a tip, if it's a tip, why would you even
go to the trouble of refilling the drink. If you
just picked it up at the front and you got
the same tip.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
You have a stone cold heart.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
No, it's just it's not it's just it's a scam.
It's a scam. Electronics gotcha current. You know we'll get
it of transfer. Actually hear from you on the tipping thing.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 15 (27:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Bobby Kenny continues to have success greg with making America
healthy again.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yes, I've seen some startling reports, but I've also seen
some like even like whistleblower incentives for people to come
forward and say what's been going on that shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Be latest news today. Hershey is going to remove synthetic
dies from it snacked by the end of twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
So that's now Nestley Hershey. Everybody's lying up and doing it.
It's going well. Was it that hard? I mean, everyone's
I this. I thought this was going to be at
least an argument. It sounds like they're just coming there
say okay, yeah, that's right. We were banned in the
rest of the world. We won't do it here either.
That's amazing. Yeah, it seems like why did you keep
it in there so long? If you could this easily

(28:08):
take it out.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
That's what Kennedy testified before a House committee. Remember a
House committee. He says, wait a minute, I did it
in fifteen minutes. We took everybody else.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So long exactly. I'm really asking that question out loud.
How in the world did this stuff stay in our
food for this long? And he gets on the clock
and we're done here, is just getting in there lining up?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, by twenty twenty seven, is Hershey removing all synthetic
dyes for snacks. Will that makes like a chocolate bark
different color?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I don't. I didn't even really, I really wasn't get
my head around synthetic dies in our chocolate in the
first place. I mean, he's actually been a little bit
of a downer on all this stuff inside our food.
But now that I know, I'd like it out of
our food, so I'm kind of with him.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Just get rid of it right now.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Is that what you're it doesn't have to be bright color.
Who cares about the color? Anyway? You can taste. The
taste is all you care.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
So you're going to look at a skittle and they
aren't colored.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't like skittles stick inside my teeth. Don't. I
don't enjoy skittles.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Well, you like Captain Crunch or Fruit Loops. You're a
fruit Loops fan?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Well, I do like my flavored series, Yes, yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
What if they show up with a bland color.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's the taste? Yeah, okay, that's all I can.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I will get more into the tipping debate and invite
you to join us. Coming up our number two of
the Rod and Gregg Show on its way. No, I
wait until the twenty.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Fourth, and then that's what's me your health to.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Me, that means somewhere is over.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Oh it is over? Yeah, because you're thrown away last
week in July and all of August.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, because you get into August. You know, you have
kids already going back to school. In this state, they
go very early from mid August, generally many of them
do anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
So what's your halfway point?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
What for summer?

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Right about now?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's depressing. I love Yeah you Ray said pulling the
pool closes and over.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
But they close it right around Labor Day, don't they
right usually around Labord? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So I I think I hate when the half of
half of the summer is over because it's I've lived
more than I have left. And I so around fourth
of July, I was like, ah, just came just fast.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, it does come fast.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
And yeah. So anyway, so July fourth is always kind
of like my halfway mark in my head about summer,
and I just feel.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Like it's so, have you done anything fun this summer?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
No?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Not really, not yet. I have a couple, I have
a couple of things up.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
You're going to be doing, Yeah that you're coming to it.
I mean, I'll be all right.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
We got in a quite a discussion of this before
the break, and we're talking about tippy tipping fatigue.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yes, you make your best case, sir, because I'm I'm
telling you.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I'm just going to share this with you. These are
some facts and numbers, okay about tipping. Okay, lending tree, Okay,
that's the what is a blending company?

Speaker 9 (30:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah? Online?

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Twenty twenty three, Americans, we spent seventy eight billion dollars
on tips at restaurants, bars, and a places where food
is consumed away from home. Okay, seventy eight billion dollars.
New Hampshire is the best tipping state in the country.
Tips accounted for sixteen percent of the money spent on

(31:14):
eating out, including full service restaurants and limited service restaurants. Okay,
so New Hampshire sixteen point three percent. Nationally, the average
is six point seventy five percent.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
That's it. That's shocking.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's national. In Utah we are the lowest in the nation.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'm shaking my head.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Four point zero nine percent.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, I will come on that.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
That's a little embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
It is, it is, and I'm telling you that so
you know, when you're young and you're in college. I mean,
Queen Bee, she was a server for years, you know,
going through college and everything, and you're living on those tips,
and tips were kind of skinny in Utah. It was
it was known that that people could come in and
rack up a pretty good meal uh tab, and then
leave just a few bucks. And it was kind of

(32:04):
disheartening that that's That was a while ago, but it
seemed to be pretty prevalent.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Now. Do you think what has triggered this anger over
tipping in this state is if you pay electronically automatically,
they post percentage of tips you could give before you pay. Well,
it might because do you feel have they made you
feel guilty? If you don't put something down.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I well, maybe my my angst, as I said before
the break at the last hour, is I think that
they that through electronic UH transactions, we are being asked
to tip things for things that are not service related.
That they're not. They're not picking up your takeout at
the restaurant. If I call ahead and I go to

(32:50):
the takeout. They even have a parking space for takeout
where you can just park up near the door, run in.
They got it in a bag. I do not. I
do not want to tip for that. I actually don't
go to Sonic because I went there once and I
just got a drink. I just want to get a drink,
and when they came to my door with the forty
four hours drink, they want to tip for it. I'm like,
I did not know that's a thing to tip for

(33:11):
a Sonic, you know, forty four hours drink. So but
what I do is I don't stiff them. I don't
go because I just couldn't. I can't believe you tip
for that. There are things, there are categories now that
people want tips for it, tip fors that you just don't.
It's not service. So you so you say that's where
the fatigue comes from me on tipping is they want
tips for things.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
You don't go into a restaurant, you pick up a bag,
you leave, You don't give them a tip.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I don't like to. You feel the pressure like a restaurant.
You take the bag, you sit in the restaurant and
eat it. Nobody does that. You sit down here.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Some of that in restaurants.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I don't know what restaurants you go to. I don't
know what third world country you frequent that that happens.
But in restaurants in America and in Utah, you wait
to be seated. You get you give them your name.
They might be able to seat you right away. You
sit down. Someone comes and says, hey, do you want
some drinks. You order your drinks. If it's a Mexican restaurant,
they bring you some chips and salsa, they'll fill it.
They'll fill your drinks, they'll fill your salsa you get

(34:07):
or chips, whatever it is, and then you get your order. Okay,
there you go. Tip it for that.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
There's a very popular restaurant here where you go through
and a salad is made or a burrito is made
for you. Okay, they put it in a closed container
and then you go sit down and eat. Do you
tip there?

Speaker 9 (34:23):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Not, No, that's cappettin. You're talking cafeteria style. That's a
cafeteria style. You are true paying it for you fresh.
You're telling them everything you want to You're you're doing
half the work. You're telling them. Yeah. And then how
about when they hand you drink. I'm sure you want
to tip when they hand you the empty cup and
you got to go put the ice and fill it
up yourself.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So you want to bet for that and you don't
pay them, You don't tip them.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
That is not a tipping. No, I don't. There's a
cost for that. That is not a service.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
These guys are making a bucket. You can't.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Here's what's sad about that. It demeans the real service
industries where they are keeping an eye on your drinks,
if they're coming down, if they're getting low, they want
to refill them. They are you know, they there are
jobs where they where there is a service and they
should get a good tip. What you're talking about is
just you're you're diluting the whole tipping process by adding

(35:17):
people that aren't should be included. So you tip for
good service. You do not tip for convenience. I tip
for service. Period. There is no service in ordering something
that you just stand in line and you get it
and then they give you an empty cup and you
fill it up yourself. I'm doing that, I'm doing all.
I'm doing the work here, I'm i'm I'm I'm not

(35:39):
getting paid by them for doing it. I'm not getting
a discount because I filled up my own cup. That's
not That is not a tipping service. It's just not.
I used to I used to haul luggage. I take
the luggage up to someone's up to their hotel room.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Back in the day, service that was a bucket bag.
I'm sure it's more now, but I would appreciate that.
And let me tell you something. When they were checking out,
and I knew they were and they were good tippers, boy,
they would I would run up there with that cart
and I'd be packing their stuff up and getting them
out of and I was I was Johnny on the
spot and parking cars too. I put the nice fancy
cars under the awning of the restaurant so you can
sit out front and make them feel good because they

(36:18):
tipped well, and that's a tipping job. That's a service.

Speaker 13 (36:20):
See.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I don't mind tipping people for simple things too.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But the things you're including are not they're not service related.
They're just transactional.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Okay, transactional. But I'll pay for the transaction.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
How much you how much you're throwing in? Buck or
two you got? You got a fifty dollars bill you
gotta you just saw you got to pay fifty bucks?
How much you're throwing it?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
What am I sitting down?

Speaker 1 (36:42):
And no, you just walked in. You got your bag
on the counter.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I'll give them five bucks, I give them.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
You give them ten percent? Why ten percent? Where's the rule?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I just look for it easy, something easy that I
can compete. Help them all because they're working. They're working.

Speaker 16 (36:58):
You know.

Speaker 17 (36:58):
I'd like to hear from people, servers out there. We
got you know, I don't and if we got talkback,
we've got to come on and talk. Give us, give
you your take. I could be totally wrong in this.
I don't know, but I just I worked in tipping jobs.
I know at tipping jobs how you get a tip
and some of the stuff they asked me for tips for.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I don't know what are you're paying, so you have
a standard, a standard where says this is typical this
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, And it's all related to service. If they're if
they are serving, if you are doing something gives it
to you. Isn't it someone that takes your luggage, someone
that serves you at a restaurant? These are typical.

Speaker 18 (37:34):
This is what you tip for.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
This is the service you're picking something that you stand
at that cafeteria example you gave just now. Is a
galls me that that would be a typical job.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
I think it is all right. Let's get Let's go
to the phones. We can get a caller into before
we need to break. Let's go to Andy, who's on
I fifteen tonight. Andy, how are you welcome to the
Roden greg Show. Thanks for thanks for joining us. Andy,
what are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 19 (37:56):
My thoughts are so my wife's worked in their food
service industry when we were first married.

Speaker 20 (38:02):
And so she hates my take on it.

Speaker 19 (38:04):
But if I'm standing when I order, you don't get
a tip. Unless you're at like a coffee shop and
you're ordering a drink or something like that, then you
get a tip. But if I'm standing when I order,
no tip.

Speaker 9 (38:15):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
That's your policy. And people say, you know, the beauty
of this is you don't have to tip. You don't
have to tip anybody. No one says you have to
tip anybody.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Well, I would actually think it's really rude if you're
having a server help you and you didn't give them
a tip. In fact, I've even tipped bad service the minimum.
I tipped a minimum fifteen percent if I don't like
the service, which I do, but but I do usually
tip more generous.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I just got back from Switzerland. They don't expect tips.
You told you don't have tip them.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Huh. I wish someone told me that.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, all right, we got a lot of calls, a
lot of comments on the top back line. We'll take
a break and get to your thoughts on this the
debate over tipping today on the Rotten Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
And we've got a lot of really smart callers. I
to the collective wisdom of our listening audience. It's like
a vulcan mind meld. I just believe in the audience.
I believe in them. All right, whatever they have to say.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Let's go, let's go. To Tom and Tom way In
on this What do you say on the Rod and
Greg Show when it comes to tipping, Tom, what are
your thoughts?

Speaker 14 (39:25):
Hey, just real quick, I just so, tipping was originally
meant to overcome a less hour you know, less hourly
rate for wage based employees and to compensate for great service.
So the confusion comes when all of these, all these
businesses started, you know, putting tips on the credit card
side and all of that. You have no longer you

(39:47):
don't know who's a It's obvious when somebody's a server,
waiter in a restaurant or a bartender, you know that
they're in that lower category of wage to start with.
So the tip overcomes the deficit and you have great service.
So you give a good tip. But somebody who's an
employee at somewhere else, you're like, you're not expecting there
be a tip required or even asked for, because they're

(40:09):
being paid correctly to start with. So that's so now
it never hurts to give a tip for great service.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
So that's the other part of it.

Speaker 14 (40:16):
That's why there's a difference between Europe at here.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Okay, I agree, I am yeah, I agree, And look
Tom brings up a good point when I every job
I ever had, they they not only didn't they didn't
even pay me the minimum wage. They deducted my minimum
wage because they assumed they'd be tipped to the job.
So I wasn't even getting paid the minimum wage at
my job, I was getting paid less than minimum wage
because they were basically accounting for that as the tip.

(40:41):
Back in the day, do.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Most restaurants require the servers to pull their tips and
then they divvy them up? No, I don't think is
that a requirement or do you hang on to whatever
you get? I hung on to every dime I got now, Yeah,
but you weren't with a pool of people. There's a
couple of guys parking cars.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah. And you know what I've seen both in the
in the in the restaurant is a song partners. I've
seen him pull them and I've seen it you keep him. Yeah,
so it's both all right. Amy is in Sandy tonight.
You're on the Rod and Greg Show. Amy, go ahead,
what are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 16 (41:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (41:11):
I think it's definitely an extremely nuanced concept, right, because
we don't know the minimum wage of the average waiter or.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Waitress that's true.

Speaker 21 (41:21):
And also, I mean, my husband I have this conversation
all the time. But I'd say, over the last fifteen
to twenty years, customer service standards and we are all like, well,
my servant never came back, like they're not even doing anything.

(41:43):
What are we tipping them for? They're not doing a
good job. And so that's I mean, I could come
up with a lot of things to talk about, but
for me, that's the number one thing is a consumer.
If I'm going to go and spend the money in
this economy to go out to eat, I don't want
to have to find you. I don't want my drink
to get low good. I want my order to be

(42:05):
right like I don't want to wait. You're getting paid,
and if you do a good job, I'm going to
compensate you accordingly. I'm going to give you a good tip.

Speaker 11 (42:12):
But there go down.

Speaker 21 (42:14):
Because nobody knows how to give any level of customer
service anymore.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
I would agree with you, Amy, customer service has dropped
a little bit over the year. It has and if
I get bad customer service, they don't get any tip.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
But I'll tell you this, for the servers or the tip,
the job, the places that you go that you would
tip for the service because customer service overall has gone down.
When I have someone that's really doing a great job,
I tip more than I would maybe ten years ago,
because I'm just so shocked I'm getting such great So
I'm like, that person really stands out. Okay, let's go

(42:48):
to Dave in Cash Valley. Dave, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 18 (42:53):
Yeah, thanks for taking my call. And I just want
to say, Greg, I'm I'm probably almost as old as
rud but I don't think anybody's at all.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
No, I don't do that to yourself.

Speaker 18 (43:03):
Well, but I have to say, and Rod would remember this.
When we were kids, the standard tip was ten percent,
and somewhere along the way it jumped to fifteen. And
now it's gone to eighteen, twenty two, twenty five, And
I'm just wondering if there's an upper end of this.

(43:25):
And I just wonder how it is that we had
percentage creep. But the other thing is now that taxes
will be or that tips will be untaxed, does that
mean we can start going backwards on those percentages. Another
thing that I find off putting is standing in what
amounts to a cafeteria line, getting my food and then

(43:47):
getting to the cash register and having flipped that screen
over on me and say what kind of tip I
want to give them? When I have, you know, basically
collected my food myself, and so it's it's not service
basically more. But the last thing I wanted to say
and confirm what Rod said about Europe is they if
it's a tip at all, you're basically rounding to the

(44:07):
next Europe and in Japan. In Japan, they're offended if
you try to tip them because that's their job and
they take pride in their job, and they culturally it's
not acceptable to tip.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Wow, I never heard that they take pride in their job.
I'd be as usual in this country.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
No, it's it's it's a good observation.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I didn't know that. Thanks Dave, appreciate that. Back to
the phones, we go John's in Midway tonight on The
Rodden Greg Show, Go ahead, John, Hey Sollas.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
I just wanted to mention that I have worked for tips.

Speaker 22 (44:41):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
The last time I worked for tips, it was at
a golf course. We cleaned people's thoughts. The guests would
come out to play golfers, wesor golf course. Most of
our guests expected to tip to the service that we provided.
We weren't cooking food, we weren't giving them something, providing
a service that they could take or they could leave,
and and most of them would tip pretty good. But

(45:03):
tips is an abbreviation. It means to ensure prompt service.
When you think about it, that's the basis of it.
If somebody is providing a service, or if they're doing
something exceptional for you when you come there. It's common
sense too. We all know if we are in a

(45:23):
place where it's expected. And I know that now it's
kind of being shot down our throats as customers. You
get your receipt, somebody gave you, filled up your cup
and handed to give your drink that you ordered. You know,
it's up to you what you want to do there.
But I've really actually had to work for tips, and

(45:44):
it does mean to insure prompt service.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yes, yeah, that's a good point. Now, would you know
I've been to golf courses where people clean the clubs
or bring my card or bring a drink, I'll tip them.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, me too, You've been to ensure prompt service? I
had no idea. I'm just writing that down. That's a
good acronym.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
But you've been you play at the higher end golf.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I play it, and I like to play the un
course and you get you give it, but you give
tips to guys to pull your cart out or clean
your clubs. I look at I tip ee tip where
it's expected to tip. I've even been to the swank
uh you know events when you go to the coat lady,
you gotta give the person you got to go to
tip when you get your coat. I mean there's a
bunch of places where you tip, but they are again

(46:25):
certain I love that for prompt service. Okay, it's it's
it is a service job. A lot of things. You're
rolling out. If you go into a drive through, you
haven't even left your car. You're just in the drive
score yelling what what drinks you want? And you come
on on the other side and they they want to tip.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I don't tip there. They never ask me for a tip.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
When I've done that, look at the receipt. Then some
have a little have a little basket there and say
tips on it.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I've done that, and they've they want loose change or something.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
And then you know. So it's just it's it's it's
starting to get to it feels like a racket.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
A lot of callers. We'll get to you when we
come back totay with us tipping the debate on the
Rod and Greg Joe Talk Radio one five nine knrs,
and a lot of people have weighed in talking about
tipping and what they think. Greg and I disagree on
tipping just slightly. Let's go to our talk about glining
to what our listeners have to say.

Speaker 16 (47:16):
Hi, Ron, Greg, Amanda from Layton. I was a server
through high school and college. Loved it, great job, lot
of fun, but I worked my butt off knowing that
it depended on what I was going to get paid.
But I knew a lot of people that would do
bare minimum knowing five dollars was coming either way. So
I'm with with Greg on this one. You got to
earn it and you've got to provide a service. Thanks, guys,

(47:37):
there you go.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
You got someone on your side.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
Greg.

Speaker 23 (47:40):
I'm a huge supporter and I'm also a restaurant owner,
and I have to disagree with you on this one.
Tipping for service is one thing, too, but tipping to
make sure that you had and express it you had
a good experience is important too, and you got to
understand too that it's also a great way for us
to pay minimum wage, to be able to supplement Hancome

(48:01):
and to pay for those that work for us hard.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
So maybe out to reconsider it, tipper.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I want to be I want to make sure I'm
not misunderstood. If I'm sitting down. I'm all in on
the tipping. It's it's just one you're well, it's I
think it was the rule that maybe Tom made of
that if you're standing up and never sitting down, there's
nothing that there's no there's no service there.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
That's all all right. Let's go to mad in Salt
Lake City on the phone tonight. You're calling into the show, Matt,
what say you on this debate?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Well, Hi, thanks for taking my call, and I am
going to side with Greg on this one. I tiped
according to service, poor service, poor tip, good service, good tip,
great service, great tip. Now I have a question for you, Rod. Okay,
when you go to a grocery store and you have
a grocery teller standing your groceries, do you tip that

(48:51):
grocery teller or do you tip the grocery teller that
is sitting there at the self service.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Chaosk neither neither case.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, I don't tip either one of them.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Okay, you know you sound like a very generous man,
and I was just wondering.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I love to ask Matt, he's don't give him ideas
they're going to start making us tip for our groceries
to get checked out. Now Matt's going to give him
an idea that yeah, as I set up back to
that's smart.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Let's go back to the phones.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Let's go to Mike, Mike on Redwood Road. How are you, sir?
Welcome to the Roddy Gregg Show.

Speaker 24 (49:34):
Hello, gentlemen, I'm doing well. Thank you. Uh, I'm going
to side with you on this one. Greg I, I
and another caller said they won't tip if they're standing. Yeah,
I won't tip if I'm standing. If I'm sitting down
at a restaurant, I'm still pretty stingy. I have five kids, so, uh,
you got to give me some excellent service for me

(49:54):
to tip you. But like if I'm going to Cafe
Rio someplace like that, like, sorry, I'm not gonna tip
you for giving me mike soda cup.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Wow, I think that standing rule is a beautiful like
the standing rule is the standing rule.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
So if you're standing, you don't tip.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I think it's a beautiful rule. Or you're in your
drive through in the car. I think that one's another one.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Tim is in provo didnight on the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 25 (50:15):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Tim, how are you?

Speaker 11 (50:18):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 9 (50:20):
Hey?

Speaker 26 (50:20):
Real quick?

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Can I tell you what I like best.

Speaker 20 (50:22):
About your show?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Do tell? Do tell? I think I think?

Speaker 20 (50:29):
Okay, I never have to wonder who I'm listening to.
I always know you guys have a different voice, and
it's like with playing back in the morning, I still
don't know.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Who I'm you know.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
That is so true. I have that same problem. I
can't tell sometimes their voices.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Well, Tim, why because I have a beauty I have
a beautiful broadcast voice, and my co host sounds like
Kermit the Frog.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I prefer Joe PESHI.

Speaker 20 (50:53):
I think, yeah, very white and Joe PESHI.

Speaker 14 (51:00):
Thank you?

Speaker 20 (51:00):
How can you mistake?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Thank you?

Speaker 16 (51:02):
Tim?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Go ahead, do with your comment.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Okay.

Speaker 20 (51:06):
For Christmas, my wife gave me a bunch of these
trump Bucks. They're fake hundred dollars bills with Trump's picture
on them, So I carry those in my wallet, and
when I'm doing the stand up thing.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
There's usually the cash tip jar there.

Speaker 20 (51:19):
I'll fold one up and stick it in there, and
that way I don't have to feel stupid for not tipping,
and they're happy they got a tip, and I'm out
of there, and it's not till they count up the
tips at the end of.

Speaker 14 (51:28):
The day that they noticed.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I like that, well, I like that I have some
of those trump one hundred dollars time. I have those?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
All right?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Tell you no, I kind of like got those as
a gift, did you. Okay, back to the phones. Let's
go to Mike in Far West. Mike, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Running Greg Show.

Speaker 26 (51:44):
Hi guys, thanks for taking a call. A little bit
different take on tipping and why we tip in percentages.
If I go to Texas Roadhouse, get a twelve ounce
surrooin and it's twenty dollars and I pick twenty percent dollars.
But if I get a twelve ounce Ribbi it's twenty
five dollars. Why am I tipping five? No, or a

(52:08):
different steak? So the percentage thing that that I saw
that on a TikTok, it really changed my attitude about
tippy and percentages.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
All right, all right, that's interesting. Take The only thing
I could think on the fly, just hearing that. The
only thing I could say is if you if you're
spending more than they think, you're a bigger spender, and
that you could tip commensurately to your fat wallet if
you're buying enough expensive steak, he says, the less expensive.
That's the only thing I could think of as an explanation.
I'm not saying that's great.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Events the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, all right, that's good. A plate of foods, A
plate of food is really saying that's true.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Melanie and Mapleton tonight here on the Rodden great show.
Hi Melanie, how are you.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Good? Evening?

Speaker 22 (52:51):
Okay, So my first job I worked at Coachman's Restaurant
about thirty years ago. Yes, and I think everyone should
have to serve at some point in their career. I
am a business owner now and I contribute that strictly
and mainly to the things that I learned on being
able to identify how to provide good service and specifically

(53:13):
the server you get occasionally to get to know your
customers and get to bomb with them and recognize who
needs a little bit of help, and it was just
a great way to start off my career and it's
been something that lasted forever with me.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Melanie, you sound like a really nice individual. Can we
send you a tip?

Speaker 27 (53:33):
Well, no, I'm just.

Speaker 22 (53:33):
Saying I hold near and dear to my heart those
experiences and I think everyone should do it, so they
have the choice to either be a good server or
a choose not to be.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Ye, all right, Melanie Good.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I'm with her, and I learned a lot from working.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
On she Coachmins where a lot of people used to
go have one rect in the morning, so you kind
of develop a relationship. We did the same thing up
in Casa. There are a couple of places up in
Davis County where we go to and there's relationships.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
I have.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Fortunately one of them closed recently, which we kind of
miss But yeah, no, it's true, and I think she's right.
I think it's a good way to yeah, learn.

Speaker 9 (54:07):
All right.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
We got a lot of comments on our talk back line.
More of your phone calls coming up right here on
the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
all five nine. Okay, and right, let's first go back
to the phone. Let's talk with Gordon who's in Lehigh
tonight listening to the Rod and Greg show. Hi Gordon,
how are you and welcome?

Speaker 10 (54:22):
I'm fine, Thank you Greg.

Speaker 28 (54:24):
One of the things that really cheeses me off over
here is when they're getting you're getting told the amount
of tip that you're asked to pay. You know, over
Scotland is a case of you pay the tip that
you think the severer deserves, going by the attention that
you get. There's nothing worse than you're sitting and you're

(54:45):
waiting and waiting they come around and then you're waiting
and waiting. You want to you know, okay a reefi
for your soda or whatever, and you know you can
be waiting ten minutes, you know, yeah, yeah, and then
he and twg that chap Belle and then I've fifteen

(55:06):
to twenty percent. I'm sorry. I believe you know, you
paid the tip that you believe they deserve because they're
quick enough. It coming back out to you. What's the
check after the safety your meal?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, Gordon, You're right. And and you
were telling me earlier. You at a restaurant not long
ago where you didn't get served and you were the
first one in there.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I was in there early, and people came in well
after me, larger parties too. We still weren't getting served.
I went and asked what, you know, what was going on,
and they gave me they were kind of you know,
they kind of put me off and said about it
comes in the order in which it we get it.
So we just left. I left.

Speaker 26 (55:46):
I have a right.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I think we waited forty minutes. Okay, let's go back
to Sean and pleasant Grove. Sewan, welcome to the Rod
and Greg Show.

Speaker 29 (55:54):
Thank you for having me. Yeah, this is we had
something at work and twenty questions one of our coworkers
put together, and this question on what this week was
what is one of your pet peeves? And this is
definitely my pet peeves. So this struck a nerve when
I heard this. I should I mean, okay, here's where

(56:16):
it really blows me away. Let's just say taking bake Okay,
I'm getting a take in baked pizza, right, but when
I go to the app to buy it because I
get this discount, which I love the discount, you know,
if I use the app, it's asking me and you
have to leave a tip. It's really hard. You have
to like really find a way to go custom to

(56:37):
put zero. I mean, does it really deserve I'm sorry,
taking baked pizza that I have to cook myself, I
should still tip on that. Or let's say I'm getting
this really awesome cupcake that's been prepared in the morning,
and man, it looks good and I've waited in line
for a long time because it's so popular, and then

(56:58):
they flipped the little thing say oh, it's going to
ask you this question and they turn their head and
I'm like, no, I'm sorry, I'm not tipping. That's That's
that's where I draw the line now when I'm I'm
at let's just say a good restaurant and they're doing
a good job, and I've heard a lady talk earlier
about oh as long as there if I don't have
to track you down because I ran out of a drink,

(57:20):
you're going to get a good tip. But if you're
literally ignoring me, I'm I might give you a tip,
but it's not going to be what what it should
have been if you'd just paid me a little more attention.

Speaker 18 (57:31):
And that's just my yeah, my two cents on it.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
But I mean, yeah, if you aren't getting the service
you desire, you deserve, or you want, don't tip them.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
And here's my fear when she's describing this app. You know,
if you put zero on there, I'm afraid they're gonna
spit in your food when you go to get it.
I think that's a setup. I mean, if you if
they're forcing you to tip to even order it, or
you have to find the work around and you don't tip,
I'm afraid they they might react to that in in
a negative way. So I don't like that. Wait, by

(58:02):
the way, a lot of people have commented and I
think cash tips are really really good tip.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I think he just does cash tips because they get
to keep the cash. Well, that's all you got when
you were parking.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
It helped helped out a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
What's the biggest tip.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
You ever got?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Man?

Speaker 1 (58:17):
I had a guy that would come in and he
was he was a steel corporate like he pay me
like ten bucks a bag, two bags, twenty bucks.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I was I was his at hello, whatever he needed?
Did he come all the time?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
You got all?

Speaker 23 (58:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Attorney General Derek Brown joins us next to stay with us.
The Attorney General and the Governor Hard decided now to
sue Snapchat for what they say is unleashing experimental AI
technology on young people in Utah. Let's talk more about
that right now with our Attorney General Derek Brown. Now, Derek,
before we get started into a lawsuit, we had now

(58:51):
our long discussion on tipping. Are you a good tipper
or do you have certain standards when it comes to tip?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Where do you stand on the critical issue of tipping
for service?

Speaker 9 (59:02):
Hey, I am very pro tipping, and in part because
during college, the way I put myself through school was
funny enough playing the piano at a restaurant nice and
most of my most of my income with tips. I
mean they paid me I don't know, five or six
bucks an hour. But but you know, if people liked
me and liked what I played, you know I could
bring in a big haul that evening.

Speaker 14 (59:22):
So so I'm really sympathetic and you know I'll tip well.

Speaker 9 (59:27):
But if a server doesn't really over the top phenomenal job,
you know I'll tip great socially. On the pro pro tips,
you're on my side.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
No, no, no, don't try to mister Turney. You would
you tip which if you ordered food from a restaurant
takeout and you went up, you drove up and you
went and it's just in a bag waiting for you.
Do you tip there?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Usually I do, but I do.

Speaker 9 (59:54):
I kind of feel like you, Gregor, I'm like, well,
what's a whole lot of service other than just doing
the food?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Bang?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
You're banging the ivories, baby, You're you're playing the piano
to get your tips and they're just gonna leave the
bag on the counter and they get a tip, and
like you do, no way, you deserve your tip.

Speaker 9 (01:00:11):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
By the way, if people don't know, our Attorney General
is a very talented family musicians, we should have to
come in and do the show with us and just
play the piano for background music. Yeah, that it'd be good,
all right, General?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I would tip, I absolutely would.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I would certainly. Tim All right, let's talk about this
lawsuit against Snapchat. Yeah, let's talk Stamp. What are you
up to, Attorney General? Why are you doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:00:44):
This is where I mean there are I have real
concerns about social media generally and specifically as it relates
to snap you know, Snapchat, and frankly, I mean we've
currently in the middle of several lawsuits against TikTok and
meta and the goal obviously is to make sure that
these platforms are doing things that protect kids. But man,

(01:01:07):
I tell you, one of the things I do as
Attorney General, though I love doing, is I talk with
I talk with schoolish kids all the time. They'll stop
by the Capitol and grit you've seen this. You'll have
you know, twenty thirty kids from a class that will
come by, and I always ask them how many of
you are on social media? And for the high school
of kids, most of them raise their hand. I say,
how many of you have Facebook accounts? No one raises

(01:01:28):
their hands. Reviewer on you know, Instagram, most of them.
How many of you are on snap Almost all of them.
So the reality is I'm going where the kids are.
They're on Snapchat, and and there's some dynamics with Snapchat
that are different from Instagram or even Facebook and some
of the other platforms. And part of it is you

(01:01:49):
can see where everybody is geographically. I don't know if
parents know that, but if your kids on Snapchat, you
can literally click and see not only where they are,
but all their friends are and given moments, and so
it's it's a very different kind of feel and they
get rewarded for a streak. They call it a Snap streak.

(01:02:09):
And the more that you are logging on consistently, the
longer your streak gets. And for a lot of kids,
the more anxiety for not you know, logging on. So anyway,
those are the concerns. But my real concerns with AG
are not only that it's the sexual predators and the
drug dealers that are on Snap and so really that's
where That's where I'm going with this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
So I think that all social media platforms enjoy some
really broad legal protections here in the United States, and
I think it goes back to a time when the
Internet and social media was just emerging, and the argument
that I believe was made was, hey, you wouldn't you
wouldn't go after forward. If someone used a Ford to
drive to rob a bank, it wouldn't be the car,

(01:02:54):
the manufacturer of the car's fault. That's what we are.
We're a platform where people get to speak, they get
to do things. But times have changed. It is not
just a it's not an open vehicle for people to communicate.
There's algorithms, there's censorship, there's there's you know, there's all kinds.
There's all kinds of different things that they have at
their disposal to do and to drive attention. So why

(01:03:17):
do they still enjoy such broad legal protections when the
platforms themselves have changed and become so sophisticated and they
actually do contribute or not into some of these things
that happened with kids.

Speaker 9 (01:03:29):
Well, and they do. And I think Greg, you've hit
on exactly one of the questions is in the past
they've said, look, we all we do is provide a
platform for people to upload information, and therefore we should
enjoy some you know, the protections from just being a conduit.
But legally speaking, when you have algorithms and such that
boost certain content at the expense of others, you know

(01:03:51):
there are there's certainly problems, and you know, as attorneys general,
we're looking at that. But a lot of my concern
is the fact that dealers are on the plat, they're
on Snapchat. I mean, we we know that illegal THHC.
Cartridges have been told and pushed and have a connection
with about every high school in the Salt Lake Valley.

(01:04:12):
Like we know that we have been involved in prosecuting.
I can tell you have four different cases of adults
who have contacted through Snapchat and then sexually abused minors
as a result of that interaction. I mean, those are
the real damaging things that we're looking at, in addition

(01:04:34):
to just the you know, the the the compulsive behavior
and addicted behavior that it creates. Not to mention just
the fact that these companies are collecting a lot of
information on kids and then reselling them from a marketing perspective.
I mean, hopefully for the parents listening. There's a lot
of alarm bells going off when I talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
That at tourney. General Brown, do you feel the courts
are on your side? I mean, you just had that
ruling coming out of the Supreme Court last week concerning
age verification on a Texas case. Do you get a
sense that the courts are starting to side with people
who are concerned about these practices.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yes.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
The toxing case out of Texas I think was very
helpful because ultimately the port company was basically saying, it's
really really hard, we can't do this, it's unconstitutional. The
courts basically said, no, it's not unconstitutional. And ironically, that
very company announced that they are doing now age verification
in the UK. So they in fact can do the

(01:05:35):
very thing that they claim can't be done. And so
this is one of the outcomes that we are hoping
for long term, is that these companies learn how to
effectively gauge age, you know, do the age gating in
a way that because right now on Snapchat, if you're
thirty five, you can say you're sixteen, if you're nine,
you can say you're sixteen. Like that's problematic, y you you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Brought up the UK. I was told a lot of
reasons why these social media platforms domicile in the United
States is because that other countries, even Canada, any of them,
they have laws that they would be they would be
on the wrong side of given the type of things
that they permit to happen on their platforms in those
other countries. And you just gave it as an example
where they they adjusted what they're doing their processes in

(01:06:21):
the UK. So my question is this, if you look
at RFK, Junior and Maha, I've been amazed. We've talked
about this on the show that Nesley and hershey and
Everybody's like, oh yeah, we want all that that stuff
out of our all the dies, we want all that out. Yeah,
when no one could get it done before. Do we
have a tipping point moment like that with the social
media platforms where if they are held accountable, like maybe

(01:06:42):
in food with RFK, is, is there a tipping point
where everyone just goes, oh yeah, yeah yeah. It turns
out we can do all this. We can make sure
that someone's the age there, we can get the drug
dealer's office snapchat.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
Duh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Are we coming to a day like that?

Speaker 9 (01:06:56):
I think we are. And honestly, Greg, that is I mean,
in some respects you've hit on exactly what I'm doing
as Utah's attorney general. One of the things I can do,
in addition to bringing suit on behalf of the state,
is to bring parties to the table and say, look,
things have got to change, and you know it. And
when enough of these parties are brought to the table

(01:07:19):
and you know, after saying I can't do this, we
can't do that, it's really hard, and then all of
a sudden discovering well, in fact.

Speaker 28 (01:07:25):
They can do that.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
This is this is how we affect change. I mean,
parents are doing what parents do, and I'm I'm a
parent of teenagers and so I'm struggling with with whatever
parent is doing on this issue and trying to, you know,
navigate social media and kids. But there's a flip side,
and as the you know, the law enforcement officer here
in the state of Utah, this is my role now

(01:07:47):
to also do the other side, bring these folks to
the table and affect change. And I do think, as
you said, I think we're reaching a tipping point where
enough of them are realizing that legally they need to
do it, and just for the sake of good business
practices and our kids, they're going to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Final question for you, Attorney General Brown, That's just a
wild idea I've had for quite some time. Has the
state ever thought about putting some sort of simple campaign
together to educate parents as to what they can do
on their cell phones, their kids cell phones, to prevent
their kids from doing this or seeing this. I mean
a lot of parents out there, I mean, the kids
are smart. If mom and dad, maybe mom and dad

(01:08:27):
need to be educated somehow the simple steps you could
do to protect your children. Has anybody ever thought of
doing a campaign like that?

Speaker 9 (01:08:35):
Well, yes, and in fact, I mean our Division of
Consumer Protection has done a great job of They've got
a campaign that's out there, and I think parents are
trying to figure this out. And you know, last night
I was talking with some parents who mentioned their daughter
has Snapchat and I said, really, you let her have
Snapchat on her phone? And they said, well, actually it's
on my phone and she looks at it on my phone.

(01:08:58):
I thought, Oh, that's an interesting approach. I mean, so
there's different ideas that I think parents are exploring. But
I mean the reality of these snap streaks, for instance,
that I told you about. I mean, how many of
them are maintained between the hours of eight am and
three pm during school year? I'll bet a lot. Yeah,
I mean kids have access to phones during school. I
mean there's I really think as parents we have a

(01:09:20):
lot of work to do, but hopefully this is one
of the things that as Attorney General that I can do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
As always, great pleasure chatting with you. Thanks for a
few minutes your time, and keep up the good tipping.

Speaker 9 (01:09:32):
Thank you. I will grade to TA with both of you.
Thanks for talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Greg all right, Attorney General Derek Brown joining us on
the Roden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine kN RS. I've ever seen great so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
About the story.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
We're talking about Alligator Alcatraz. This is a a would
you call it the prisoner holding cellar?

Speaker 18 (01:09:52):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
It is a detention ice detention facility, sir, and it
is I this is like a drug to me. I
I love this story so much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
I doades.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
It makes me happy. It literally brings me. It's improved
my quality of life. Quality life.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
The President went down there today. He did mention that
they don't need a lot of security because well, they
got alligators around the dark thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I know, it's so great. You got to fly in
and if you'll want to try and you know, protest
or if you want to be a remember of Congress
and march up unannounced and have a you're gonna get
through a few like what ten miles of a swamp.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Yeah, well this is Governor Ron descent. It's the President
was down there today with Ron Dessentis, Christy Nolm, Stephen Miller,
Tom Holman. They were down there touring the facility. This
went up in a matter of weeks. If that it's
the two weeks, Dantas, could we.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Could do three hours on this because what they did
in two weeks, you haven't seen people and of course
Ronda Santas. They can build bridges in ninety days, and
because of hurricanes in Florida they do so much. It's
an amazing facility. That they went from announcement to two
weeks later what they have today, it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Well, here's there's along with the President talking about what
will happen in this detention se. We're offering up.

Speaker 12 (01:11:05):
Our National Guard and other folks in Florida to be
deputized to be immigration judges. We're working with the Department
of Justice for the approvals.

Speaker 10 (01:11:13):
I'm sure Pammel approved.

Speaker 12 (01:11:14):
But then you have I'll have a National Guard judge
advocate here. Someone hasn't notice to appear. Biden would tell
them to come back in three years and a peer.
Now you'll be able to appear in like a day
or two, so they're not going to be detained hopefully
for all that long. We'll have people here in this
facility that can make you know it's a bureaucracy. The
President's got a deal with debtrocracy now. That Supreme Court

(01:11:35):
ruling was good because that's going to allow him to
be able to expers article too. The way founders intended,
but you still have bureaucracy. So we want to cut
through that so that we have an efficient operation between
Florida and DHS to get the removal these illegals done.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Efficiency, get them in, process them, get them out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
They've got a five thousand bed facility that it can
withstand one hundred and twenty mile an hour hurricane wind force. That'suff.
It's a Category two hurricane. They have full time medical,
they have even clergy on say it. They have three
hot meals a day and all inside of two weeks.
It has just been it is really and it's it's
it's a it's a governor who's a leader who's finding

(01:12:16):
the gaps where he's not have to be told or
asked what to do. He's finding ways to make it
more efficient. And I just love seeing that kind of
leadership and action.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Well here's the president what he got that when he
got back to the White House, someone asked him for
some advice. If an individual should escape alligator Alcatraz and
try and outrun the alligators. This the advice the President
gave the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Snakes the past, but alligators.

Speaker 29 (01:12:41):
But we're gonna teach them how to.

Speaker 20 (01:12:42):
Run away from an alligator.

Speaker 29 (01:12:44):
Okay, if they escaped prison, how to run away. Don't
run in a straight line.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
You up like this and you know what, your chances
go off about one percent.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
He said, you got a zigzag. Yeah, because apparently alligators
can zigzag.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Well here's look, I know more crocodiles from Australia. When
I was there, I went to those you know where
they have the kind of farms and you learn about
them and they and they are just like prehistoric creatures
alligators in America a little smaller. But one of the
things that they do is they will hide if they
see some prey. They can run fast, but they also

(01:13:19):
swing their body out wide. So not only do you
have to outrun a very fast moving animal, but because
they're so long, you have to get outside of that
perimeter of how they're sweeping around to try and capture.
What they do is they wild life trying to drink
out of the water, and they can be in the
water where you don't even know they're there, in any
lunge out. But I just think that that these alligators

(01:13:40):
are just going to be wonderful. I just think they,
you know, what, they want to be ice agents. They
want to meet the neighbors. They want to if you
want to go out there in that water, they want
to come see you. They're not mad that you're there.
They're not upset, they're not Nimbi's, they're not my backyarders.
They're not like that. They're very welcoming to you. So
go out there and have a have a met and greet.
I say, I've seen the alligate. I've seen two in

(01:14:02):
my life, both on golf courses. Yeah, careful on golf courses.
I tell you what, that ball's gone. You're not getting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
All right more coming up final half hour. Congressman Former
Congressman Jason Schaffits to be in the House. Coming up
next on The Rotten Greg Show. Former US Congressman Jason
Chaffitz now a contributor of Fox News. We saw him
on Fox News earlier. I think it was on with
Laura Ingram show. He was I was a little bit earlier.
He's joining us now, Jason. Always great to have you
on the show. I want to ask you, first of all, Jason,

(01:14:32):
what is it going to take in the House. What
is Mike Johnson going to have to do to get
this big, beautiful bill passed?

Speaker 11 (01:14:42):
I think what's going to happen is there's going to
be some amendments, probably made in order. I think if
you were in the leadership, you would go back and Greg,
Like you've been a speaker, you understand how this works.
Some people may want to offer amendments, but if you
make their amendment in order and it doesn't pass, you
need to get a lock solid guarantee and commitment that

(01:15:03):
if there even if their amendment doesn't pass, they're still
going to vote for the underlying bill. That's what I
think is going to happen. I still think they can
get it passed, but boy, you know, there's nothing like
a deadline. You know, the state legislature in Utah is
great because you got forty five days, that's it. In
the US, it just goes on in perpetuity. And that's

(01:15:24):
that's really hard for leadership to get it with such
small margins.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
So Jason helped me out because you've been a you know,
you worked in the executive branch when I was in
the legislature when I was a young ling, and then
you've been a member of Congress. The process I don't
understand is usually if the House passes a bill and
the Senate passes a different version. You have a conference
committee and there is a table, you sit across, you
figure out what you just said, What is it that
you took out, we want to put back in? What

(01:15:48):
can you still live with? What can we live with?
And then that bill arrives on the floor for consideration
and vote. But this sounds like the action is live,
like there's not going to be a conference committee. How
is that process going to play out?

Speaker 11 (01:15:59):
Do you think, Well, it's because you got four hundred
and thirty five members in the House, you got one
hundred in the Senate, and you would think that if
leadership could negotiate out one then everybody'd get behind it,
you know, pretty much down party lines. It's not like that,
And that's the rub and the problem. A conference committee

(01:16:21):
is not going to solve this. They may end up
having to try to do that. But I still think
that it's very tough, with the strength of Donald Trump politically,
to go in and tell people all these good things
that are going to happen with this bill, You're still
going to vote against it. And look, they're about one
hundred fiscal conservatives.

Speaker 28 (01:16:41):
That's it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:42):
Otherwise I think you'd see more spending cuts, but they
just don't have the numbers, either in the House or
the Senate to do the deep, deep cuts that a
lot of US conservatives would have liked to see.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Jason, you're a realist on that issue. Are you disappointed
that you didn't get the deeper cuts you were hoping for?

Speaker 21 (01:17:01):
No.

Speaker 11 (01:17:01):
I think the good far out ways. I wish they
were single issue bills and you could just vote yay
or day on one thing. But the reality is this is,
you know, nine hundred pages of you know what it
does to the border building, the border wall, the national
security component when they decided to make it one big,
beautiful bill is important. The extension of the tax cuts,

(01:17:23):
I think the CBO, the Congressional Budget Office scoring is
it doesn't take ano account what it called dynamics scoring.
That is, the CBO predicted last time that if you
cut taxes, that would cut revenue to the treasury, and
the exact opposite happens. Cut taxes, revenue to the treasury
goes up because the economy does so much better. And

(01:17:44):
that's what I think Donald Trump is also banking on.
So yeah, I would have been supportive at this point.
The other way to go which is what I did
when I was in Congress, is to say, all right,
you want it, leadership, You want us to vote for
a bill I really don't necessarily like, give us balanced
budget amendment. Vote and give us what I sponsored, cut
cap and balance, and do term limits. I think conservatives

(01:18:09):
to do well to say, all right, well, swallow the bill,
but give us term limits and give us a balance
budget amendment. I don't think you're going to solve our
debt problems until you do those two things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
And I certainly agree with you completely. I think that
the people that help make this mess are not really
the go tos to get us out of it necessarily,
but I think there are about one hundred in there
that get it and may have to hold their nose
to vote for this bill, and not hold their nose.
I'm with you where I think there's we can't have
trillions of dollars in tax increases. We have to be
able to afford to ten thousand border agents and finish

(01:18:39):
a wall. I'm even interested in your opinion on the
debt ceiling. I know there's some criticism there, but the
way that it's been described is if we can get
it in a fifty one vote debt ceiling increase. We
never have to go to Schumer or any of the
Democrats and give them the stars in the moon for
their vote on a sixty vote debt ceiling of increase.
So do you think even that that trade is worth

(01:19:01):
it as well?

Speaker 25 (01:19:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:19:04):
Look, look just emotionally, you know, in my heart, like
who wants to vote for a debt sealing increase? I
kind of like the idea that it forces the union
have to have a discussion. But it hasn't worked. Quite frankly,
it just hasn't worked. And so I think you need
to fight for systemic change. And again I go back
to you got to put a balanced budget amendment up there,

(01:19:28):
give give the question to the states do they want
our federal government to balance the budget or not? And
then you've got to do term moments everybody can You
know a lot of people campaign on it, but then
they never do it and make it for all the
new people, you know, your grandfathers, some people, and whatever
it takes, you got to do it. You got to
do it at the state level, you got to do
it nationally.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Jason, let's move on and talk about a brand new book.
You've got another book out called They're coming up for you.
What's the book all about? Scary title, by the way, Jason,
what's the book all about?

Speaker 9 (01:20:00):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:20:00):
And scare the living daylights out of you. Look Elon
Musk and and Doge. They looked at all cutting the money,
the waste, the fraud of use, and the hundreds of
billions of dollars that goes out there for nefarious purposes.
This looks at all the data. And if you think
that the Democrats and the far left and the woke
left are just going to accept Donald Trump and Conservatives

(01:20:21):
and Republicans to let them go on their way, you
got another thing coming. They use data to manipulate elections.
They do it to manipulate your healthcare. They do it
to track you and follow you. They want a social
credit score on you. They want to be able to
debank you, push you out of the economy. I mean
they debanked Milania Trump and Baron Trump. They went after

(01:20:45):
the cattle industry because they thought that, you know, cattle
have flatulence and they wanted them out. And you be
shocked and surprised on how much the government collects data
and then mobile that data in favor of democrats and
mobilizes that data and sells the data. That's what slayed

(01:21:06):
me when I went through this, Like you're kidding me.
You're collecting this and then you're selling it. It's a
data broker and it's pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
So Jason, I'm getting ready for this. I've reviewed the
book a little bit. But here you seem perfectly well adjusted.
You seem happy. I've been around you. You seem good.
The subtitle of this book is how the deep state, spies,
NGOs and woke corporations plan to push you out of
the economy. The details in this book, I don't know
that I would be in a very good mood. I
don't know that I would be healthy after knowing what

(01:21:35):
you know and what you've written this book about. Is
there a chapter at the end on how we get
out of this? This feels like a Titanic you're describing.
I mean, it really is draconian and the worse than
I thought could be possible. What do I do with
this information?

Speaker 11 (01:21:50):
So you know that's why I wrote They're coming for you. Okay,
there's the audio on the book and it's out today.
But I do offer solution. I think you in this
country have a right to privacy. I think you should
have a right to be forgotten. I think when you
enter it into that contract with your social media organization
in this country, we allow you to do it as
young as the age thirteen, you should have the right

(01:22:12):
to be forgotten. Where else in contract law do you, ever,
as part of the consideration allow the other party to
use your name, likeness and data in perpetuity and gain
from that. You should be able to terminate that contract
and get all of your information back or certainly not
allow the Googles of the world to monetize it long term.

(01:22:35):
And I look, I want to create awareness because if
people aren't aware of how their car is buying on them,
how their government is being leveraged against them, all of
these things, if you're not aware of it, you're just
buring your head in the stand. And particularly for young people,
I think you have the right to privacy, and you've
got to be totally aware. You know, we've all had

(01:22:56):
the experience, you know, Ron and wife or out there
talking about a new couch and the next thing, you know,
every ad that shows up is about a couch. Right, Yes,
it's deeper than that. It's more nefarious than that. And
I'm telling you when you look at how your doctors
are asking for information of patients who are under sendations,
and they do that in masks, and then they use

(01:23:17):
that to manipulate a vote and send you text messages
about how to vote, that's scary me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
You talk, Congressman former You talk Congressman Jason Chafits now
a contributor on Fox News here on the Rod and
Greg Show. Brand new book is called They're Coming Coming
for You and it's out today. Kind of scary title
he does.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
He provides a lot of information about the data mining
that's going on in this country and how that's being
directed with a political agenda, and it's not on it
and it's not things that we would want that are
on our side.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
All right, when we come back, we got a lot
of calls and comments, a lot of comments on our
talk back line today about the subject of tipping. We'll
let you hear a few more of the when we
come back right here on the Roden Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n rs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
These were great. There's some great ones about tipping. This
is the issue that we were speaking about earlier. In
the program today, So we want to we want to
get through some of these before the show ends.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Yeah, well, we think you enjoy them because a couple
of makes some really really good comments.

Speaker 15 (01:24:18):
Was that a stand up place recently where when asked
for the tip, the employee reaches across the counter, hits
a zero tip and then you know, turns the machine
back to me and says, sorry, corporate makes us have
that on there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
And I thought that was really awesome.

Speaker 15 (01:24:36):
And I actually pulled a couple bucks whatever I had
in my pocket and gave it to him directly for
the getting rid of the tip screen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
For me, I would have given that kid like ten
twenty bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
I would tip to get rid of the tip screen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
That's what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
That is that is service. With a smile, you get
rid of the tip screen and you're not pressuring me.
I might break off some money for that. That's that
actually was something worth tipping. I thought that was a
great call.

Speaker 30 (01:24:59):
Sure was something I heard recently that I may have
to start doing. You ask each person in your party
how the server did one through five, and they rap
them on that scale, and then you can just give
a tip based off of that that scale there, so
the sever will get five dollars a person. If everyone's happy,

(01:25:21):
they'll get one dollar a person if everyone is not
happy with poor.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Service in that it kind of sounds complicated now, but
that's the competition. We're all holding on you, by the way,
so just FYI. Yeah, because it's like a twelve year
old there. If you're going by the person, you make
sure that twelve year old's happy too. Here's another comment, Hi,
Rod and Gregg.

Speaker 27 (01:25:48):
This is Raquel from Riverton. I totally agree with Greg
on the tipping. I don't tip anyone that isn't it
to bring my menu to the table. Those who put
a sandwich in a bag and leave it on the
counter for you are getting paid to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Waitress and waitresses, she tips them.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
She was finishing with her time ran out waiters and
waitresses there. Their wages are less per hour with the
assumption there will be a tip. Other other types of
jobs don't have that in the calculation.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
That's true. Here's another call.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
I don't agree with paying somebody a tip for a
service that they're getting paid hourly for. You're making my sandwich.
You're getting paid to make that sandwich. You don't deserve
a tip.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
On top of that, you're getting paid to me and
don't make up sandwich. You don't deserve a tip. Yeah,
you're a favor of that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
I don't like standing if I'm staying in back to
the stand. The standing rule is a standing rule. Okay,
the standing rules rule. That's my ual. I well, I
thought it, but it's been articulated by a listener the
way I'm going to say it from now on. The
standing rule is my standing rule. So if you stand
to get your meal and it's handed to you, no tip? Yeah,

(01:27:16):
and you know what else I don't like they give
you all the like you want to put some mayonnaise
on that or catch up it sits down there, Go
get the packets and put it on. And oh if
you want your drink or fill that up? Oh why
don't I just get behind the counter and make the
rest of the sandwich or do it at rest? What
are we what are we stopping there for? Why do
I got to put my own condiments on? When did
that start?

Speaker 9 (01:27:34):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Anyway, okay, oh, Rod and Greg, this is down.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I have a comment on tipping.

Speaker 25 (01:27:39):
So there's this scene in Incredibles one where the bad
guy is like when everyone's super, no one will be.
And I think that relates to the tipping conversation right
now and how tipping should be reserved for people who
are going out of their way and providing something special.
When everyone gets tipped, the encouragement and motivation to do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Well goes down.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Amen. That is that is again better said than I could.
I don't. That's exactly how I feel, totally hitting it over.

Speaker 16 (01:28:12):
I run Greg Amanda from Layton. I was a server
through high school in college. Loved it, great job, lot
of fun, but I worked my butt off knowing that
it depended on what I was going to get paid.
But I knew a lot of people that would do
bare minimum knowing five dollars was coming either way. So
I'm with with Greg on this one. You got to
earn it and you've got to provide a service. Thanks guys,

(01:28:34):
earn it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
You know what My favorite part of these are what
I agree with Greg. I think that's just right there.
That's they're hitting it over the fence. These are like
home runs. These talkback there's a reason I do this,
just to make you feel better every day. I never
said that we had that one one of the talkbacks,
thoughts that I wasn't a tip run I had an

(01:28:58):
I know I am a tip on service related jobs. Yes,
Skycap going to the airport if I if I do
it at the curb, if I don't take them in,
if I'm gonna ship those guys, Yes, get back my
bag on a plane. Good point, all right, that does
look for us tonight, head off, shoulders back. My God,
bless you and your family of this great country of ours.
Jesse Kelly is next war Back tomorrow at four

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