The Rod and Greg Show: Trump Cabinet Appointments Changing Status Quo on Healthcare

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Speaker 7 (03:18):
Well, let's talk about what we're going to talk about today.
Matt Gates saying I'm done with he.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Was he was a bit of the he was well
the ball and walking around congresses, congressional halls, lost the
hallways yesterday, saying he's got the votes and I didn't.
I didn't know that he would. I just thought he'd
be a recess appointment if you didn't. I just thought
it was okay, you can either select him, like all
of Biden's selections were made, he didn't have one ever rejected.
But if you actually get weak knees and you can

(03:47):
only vote for Biden's and you can actually vote against
your own party's president's cabinet selection, I thought I thought
I'd be a vercess appointment.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
But it's not.

Speaker 7 (03:54):
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(04:15):
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Rod thoughts on Matt Gates withdrawing today. Not surprised, well,
it was.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
It was the toughest name of the group.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
But this has been such a motley crew of Biden
cabinet appointees that I had no I I wanted. And
every time I saw the liberal left lose their minds
over Matt Gate, that was Gates.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
That was a confirmation to me that, oh, he's the
right guy.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
If half or more of d O J would resign
if he was elected or nominated, that's that's green light
for me.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
So I found it amazing that that they would they would.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Confirm all of Biden's appointees, some of them which are
actually I mean, are just literal jokes.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
And and they would.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
Do that under the banner of every president deserves to
have their confirmation, you know, their their cabinet that they choose.
And then within our own party and our own president
who's now been elected, you're gonna say no to his
his his appointments.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
For a cabinet.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
So I'm disappointed by it, but you know, it's it
is what it is. It's gonna it's gonna keep moving on.
But just pay attention, score folks. I mean, they've got
a list of the four senators, Republican senators.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
It's just rumor.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
I mean they haven't been it hasn't been official. But
disappointing on that list for me would be John Curtis,
the freshman entering freshman member of the Senate, Mitch McConnell,
Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins. You know those three are a
motley those are you.

Speaker 7 (07:20):
Know, they've all basically said they were. I mean Curtis there,
I think what I think what happened. He was up
on Capitol Hill yesterday with JD. Vance, Yes, and I
think he kind of read the read the room, like
we talked about yesterday. There was some reluctance on some
Republican senators to go along with him. I think there
was yet another damaging to report. I think it came

(07:41):
out last night on his and on him and his
sexual exploitations with young girls alleged. That's true, alleged, But
I think and my question is how much how much
capital do you think Donald Trump wanted to waste on
fighting for Matt Gates? I mean, there are other issues
I think he wants use that capital. Now, was it

(08:02):
worth using that capital to fight for Matt Gates? I
think that kind of weighed into his decision as well.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
So here's here's here's what I'll say.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
I think that that he I think he would have
the President Trump would have very loyal, would have put
that capital forward. I think Matt Gates probably had the
biggest uh was the biggest factor in deciding whether he
wanted to go forward. I will say this, the thing,
the common theme with the President's appointments of the cabinet

(08:29):
is he needs to keep the public engaged in the
giant work in front of him, and you need people
that the public would recognize and that the people will
see are not afraid to shake some things up. Matt
Gates certainly fits that that persona and really by deed
what he did in terms of leaning in and taking
on controversial issues, defending the president against law fair whoever
this is going to be if not Matt Gates, I

(08:51):
think to keep the political will and the and and
the people behind this and tracking this and expecting their
members of Congress and the Senate to vote in support
of this, deconstructing this swamp, you're going to have to
have someone that can really make that case personally to
the people.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
So that's a that's all hard. I think it's a
hard role. To fill.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
If you get some nobody no one's ever heard of,
and he might be a great, you know, bureaucrat, but
it's not gonna it's not gonna move the needle.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Well, he he definitely wants to disrupt her. Yes, you know,
he is so angry at the Department of Justice and
everything that they've done to him over the last you
know what, eight to ten years that he wants to
disrupt her. Matt Gates would have been that disruptor. But
was there too much of a distraction with Matt Gates.
Maybe you can find somebody different. Mike Leeane, Mike, Mike,

(09:35):
I want coming up, but I'm with you, Mike, stay
in the Senate.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, we need you, We need your leads.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
Donald tell Donald.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
No, yeah, he just got it pointed to the chair
of the Energy Natural Resources.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
Which would be a real benefit for us. We need Yeah,
we don't.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Look, I'm just gonna say that if it's not Matt Case,
you are just going to have to have some leaders
that can actually directly through podcasts and social media and
and really keep the public involved and informed on the
reforms you're making. Because when Trump wants to look at
the Department of justice.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
It's he has said to us already, if they'll do
it to me, they'll do it to you. And we've
already seen this in terms of the domestic terrorist category
to those parents that go to school board meetings, you know,
and all that that Merrek Garland did for those that were,
you know, not following the liberal playbook, they ended up
being considered threats domestic threats, and so I don't know,

(10:28):
I think I think he's looking to clean that up
for reasons beyond.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
Hopefully he let's tell somebody who does easily. All right,
We've got more coming up, a lot to get to today.
There's an interesting story out there. It's a story about
a radical environmental group using millions of dollars as money
apparently is coming from liberal dark money groups. And guess
what they're trying to do. They are trying to teach
climate activist how to talk like human beings. Well they

(10:55):
speak an alien language. Not sure what they do. But
joining us on our Newsmaker line right now to talk
about that is Ash Shorts. She is the senior editor
at Daily Wire and wrote this story. Ash, how are
you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks for
joining us.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
How are you guys?

Speaker 7 (11:12):
We're doing well? Ash Okay, do they not speak English?
Or what kind of language are there? Are they being taught? Ash?

Speaker 8 (11:19):
Well, I mean, I'm sure you've seen all the buzzwords
that surround climate activism, you know, I mean they it's
always a climate crisis, the climate emergency, you know, things
like that. And so so this group Potential Energy, which
receives a lot of millions a year from dark money groups,

(11:41):
and they have this whole slide presentation like teaching their members,
teaching other activists how to talk about the things that
they want to talk about without making it seem like
that's what they're talking about or that they're insanely radical.
So they'll say things like remember like no climate crisis,

(12:03):
or don't talk about climate change, talk about you know,
severe weather, extreme weather, which was this if you remember
a couple decades ago, it was global warming. And then
don't talk don't say global warming, say climate change because
obviously the earth wasn't warming right Well, now climate change
is wrong because people aren't buying it anymore, and so

(12:26):
now you've got to say extreme weather or or you
know what, you know, how they wanted to ban gas stoves. Well,
we don't say banned, say upgrade. Even if you're upgrading
to something that doesn't work as well, it's an upgrade,
not a band. So it's it's a lot of things
like that.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
I'm looking at these these words that they're telling them
not to use and to change them with other words
renewable energy, clean energy, don't say ban, say upgrade. Transition
or transformation is just the word progress, carbon tax is pollution. Fine,
So what I take from this? And am I right
or wrong? These words? We've figured them out. We know

(13:05):
what they mean. We know it's to compel behavior. It's
it's it's an agenda that we don't subscribe to you.
So now they have to find synonyms to say the
same thing without and keep tricking us that this is
about the environment and not compelling behavior. Is that is
that kind of the strategy with this glossary I'm staring
at Oh.

Speaker 8 (13:25):
You're one hundred percent correct. I mean, this is something
that the left constantly does, is that it creates this
whole new glossary of terms, you know, to push its activism,
which is, you know, always disguised Marxism and you know,
anti capitalist behavior, and then when people stop listening, stop

(13:48):
buying into it, they change the language. And they do
this on so many things, on so many issues. You
think about how they won't say abortion though it's it's
got to be pro choice, even the only choice they
want to.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Offer is abortion.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
So you see them like constantly using alternate terms and
so and naturally it's climate change because the Earth didn't
end thirty years ago like they first predicted. And you know,
every time they keep saying one thing, science proves the opposite,
and so they have to keep changing it.

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Speaker 8 (17:58):
Try to keep getting their funding right. They get millions
billions in government funding plus all the dark money I
talked about, so they have to keep that cash flow going,
so they have to constantly change the crisis ash ash.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Where's the money coming from? I mean it's dark money.
Where's that dark money coming from?

Speaker 8 (18:20):
So it's coming from a shadowy group, you know, kind
of in the Soros area that I hadn't heard of
until this. It's the name escapes me. It's not like
directly in front of me right now.

Speaker 12 (18:35):
But.

Speaker 8 (18:37):
Yeah, it's it's a group and it has multiple you know,
like smaller groups. I think one of them was called
like the Windward Funds or something. You know, there's other
words that you've never heard of, because like we've heard
about climate action and some of these other major groups,
we haven't heard of these groups, right, which just goes

(18:58):
to show you that, like this, this web of dark
money is so much bigger than you could ever imagine.
And as the left is like constantly talking about how
you know, money in politics and it's the right, right,
they were so mad that Elon Musk was spending money
on the Trump campaign and that's wrong as if you

(19:20):
know only you know, part time union workers were funding them.
When you know, we've got these groups, they have these
vast networks like this, and we just every day learn
about more and more, and that it's not just in
climate change, it's in all of their issues. They have
a vast network and then those have smaller groups, and

(19:41):
then those spin off to other smaller groups. And unlike
on the right, where you know there might be groups
and unfortunately there's a lot of grifting involved the left. Actually,
you know, is is pretty ustardly, I guess is the
best word in what they do. So it's definitely a grift,

(20:05):
but it's not a grift on you know, private individuals.
It's a grift on the government and taxpayers because that's
where so much of their money comes from.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
So, you know, one of the things that they were
failing at in their agenda was that they have these
people with their private jets, you know, just charting all
over the planet talking about how everyone else had the sacrifice.
So they've changed the word sacrifice or using the word enjoy.
You need to enjoy, and they don't even they don't
even remotely mean the same thing. So I'm going to say,
is this going to work? I mean, this glossary, this

(20:37):
is nice that they're they're realizing they're losing this. This
ev movement is failing just on the infrastructure of electric vehicles.
There's not a market demand. Is this gonna is the glot?
Is there change of words from sacrifice to the word
enjoy or greener to the word cleaner. Is that going
to actually further their agenda? Do you think it's? What's

(20:58):
your take on their strategy?

Speaker 13 (20:59):
Here.

Speaker 8 (21:00):
Well, no, it won't further their agenda because you know,
they keep relating on the climate and science just keeps
proving them wrong. The Earth isn't ending, Florida isn't actually sunk,
you know. And then you have them, like you said,
with the private jets, still using their private jets, still
buying million dollar beach homes in Martha's vineyard right on

(21:22):
the ocean.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
You know.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
So until you know some of those things actually change,
it's never gonna work. But it's not about that, right
like it's about the money. It's about getting more money
from taxpayers, getting higher taxes, and you know, getting these
setting up another group and another group and another group

(21:43):
to just get more money. And you know that so
far these words aren't taking root because you are still
seeing the old words in the media, you know. I mean,
the media didn't want to say ban gas stoves. They
just said it was a right wing conspirac see, but
they're not. They haven't changed to upgrade. They haven't. They

(22:04):
say sometimes extreme weather, but they still say climate change
a lot.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
Hill sure to right.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
So until you start seeing the media who wildly support
climate change alarmism changing and using these words, then this
group is failing. But I do think at some point
the media will change because they changed from global warming
to climate change, so you know, eventually these things will

(22:33):
probably be the new normal. But now we have a
head start.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
We left to wait and see what happens. Is Ash
always right chatting with you?

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yep, you're welcome.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
As sure, a senior editor at The Daily Wireby by
the way, when it comes to climate change, Greg survey
in September in The New York Times said sixty seven
percent of Americans favor increase in domestic fossil fuel production. Yeah, yeah,
all right, more coming up on The Running Greig Show.
It's to be broadcast live from Mickey Cotur and Layton
RFK Junior. He wants to really disrupt a very powerful

(23:07):
healthcare complex in this country, and apparently they're all terrified.
Let's find out how terrified they are. Right now, joining
us on our Newsmaker line is doctor Keith Ablow, doctor Ablow,
of course, a author, former Fox News medical correspondent, Joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now, doctor Ablow, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 13 (23:28):
I am, well, thanks for having me.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
How terrified is the food and healthcare industry in this
country knowing that OURFK junior could be in charge of everything.

Speaker 13 (23:39):
But they've got to be very terrified because listen, you know,
there's been some sort of unhealthy alliance between industry and
multiple government agencies regarding food, whether it's considered safe or not,
and pharmaceuticals just what gets approved and why and after

(24:01):
what machinations. So it's a long time in coming. Because
if you've got a very powerful, potentially incredibly effective agent
molecule medicine, but it's generic or it's inexpensive to make
and it can't be patented, there's no constituency that's going

(24:24):
to be able to get through the FDA with that
for an indication an FDA license to go forward and
get it out to the public. The only things that
can really get through the FDA and get approved are
molecules put forward by big Pharma for tens of millions
of dollars that then can go through the myriad of hoops,

(24:49):
you know, jump through the hoops, clear the hurdles, and
get approved. And you know, that's one problem is that
it's so expensive and it's so daunting, and it makes
it nearly impossible for a natural molecule to take that track.
But also you wonder what's happening in the background with

(25:11):
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want to go to companies like big pharma companies. They
you know, you'd wonder anybody would, and I think you
would find out, well, you know, sometimes they do the
bidding of big pharma, and they bring molecules to market
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(25:34):
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and they're only going to be solutions that can be
patented and marketed for big money.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
So you've actually touched on exactly where I was going
to go. So the reason this job seems to be
harder for RFK Junior to take on and make America
healthy again.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
Which, by the way, I'm late to the game.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
I always thought this tell me, you know, people tell
me what I can eat what I can't was like
a liberal conspiracy against me. And I had no idea
that the tobacco companies diversified into food and made us
all addicted to it like cigarette. So, like I said, doctor,
I'm late to the game. But given that there is
this revolving door that those that are regulating food and

(26:18):
everything else get these swanky, very very lucrative jobs on
the other side, how do you break up that chain?
How do you get that? It is an inside game,
it's a closed shop, and I think we're all the
victims of it. So how do you How is he
going to be able to stop that cycle that you
just described.

Speaker 13 (26:37):
Well, he's going to have to really really he's going
to have to dig deep into specific examples of foods
or chemicals added to foods, or pharmaceutical agents approved for
use for different healthcare conditions, where there is a demonstrable

(26:58):
relationship between the process of approving it and who gets
paid and how much and when and who went where
from federal agencies to these companies. Because you're going to
have to make it concrete, He's going to have to demonstrate, Look,
in this case, here's what happened, and that's not okay,

(27:19):
and we're either going to have rules to govern that,
or we're going to have to prosecute some folks who
did it to the extreme. And I think he said
that he's prepared to do that. I mean, there's one
example that comes to mind, I actually can help. This
company called call rem Cho Lram Pharmaceuticals. They make something

(27:41):
called cave deets. Cavedex is a naturally occurring Essentially, it's
a cyclodexter. It's a kind of polysachrit. It's sugar, okay,
and you use it. It's a particular kind of sugar
that loves fat molecules, and so when you use it,
its orbs fat from the bloodstream. The founder says it

(28:04):
completely cured his heart disease and he doesn't have any
more atherosclerosis. So does some patients in the United States.
I'm not saying it's necessarily platinum true, okay, but there's
a huge ground swell of people saying I need this stuff,
and it's keeping me from getting a triple bypass. It's

(28:25):
being seized by the FDA at the border. Some of
it's getting burned, some of it's getting just crashed. And
I guess the question would be, in an absolutely equal world,
would cave decks carry a big red label that says
FDA questions whether this works or.

Speaker 14 (28:46):
Something like that.

Speaker 13 (28:47):
Do they have to eaze it and destroy it? And
why are they doing that? I don't want to you know, look,
I don't want a big beef with the FDA. The
founder does, by the way, because he's like, look, people
are going to die. I have a moral responsibility to
get this across the border. They're in Australia. But that's
a good example. I guess if there's a company that

(29:10):
has an agent that many many people say this is
keeping me.

Speaker 14 (29:16):
Alive, why would the FDA seize.

Speaker 13 (29:19):
It and destroy it instead of saying, wait a second,
maybe we need to do a very quick study on this.
We should probably invest the money to interview these people
see if they're shills or for real. They seem real
to me, by the way, very and they're all over
facebooks enraged that they can't get their product, and why would.

Speaker 14 (29:41):
The FDA not do that?

Speaker 13 (29:42):
Well, the FDA may not have a mechanism to do
that because they only hear the voice of big pharma.
And one thing big Farmer is saying is take this
anti cholesterol medicine. We get many billions of dollars from it.
If you've got something else that's a sugar that may

(30:05):
absorb plaque from your arteries, we don't want.

Speaker 10 (30:08):
To hear about that.

Speaker 13 (30:09):
That could be very disruptive and that's where RFK, I think,
can make a big difference.

Speaker 7 (30:15):
So Darvlot, we love your insight on this. I wish
we had more time to chat, but we appreciate you
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Speaker 5 (34:08):
So it didn't take long.

Speaker 7 (34:09):
Oh that didn't.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
Not Soon after Matt Gaates withdrew his name for consideration
for attorney General, Trump announces that Pam Bondi is his
nominee for Attorney General. Pam bondy Was is the former
Attorney General of the State of Florida, first female attorney
general of the State of Florida. And she looks she
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(34:31):
She's dealt with a lot of different issues, and in
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attorney General, she has stayed in the spotlight a lot
in the commentary side. But she was one of the
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up in Pennsylvania trying to help sort those things out.

(34:53):
So I think she's been an ally of the Trump
of Trump, President Trump and his you know, his administration
or his people for a long time, and so it's
a it makes a lot of sense. I will tell
you she will be tough, but there isn't You're not
going to get someone that was ready to throw around
the furniture like a Mexican. I feel like he was
gonna be he was going to get uncomfortable for a
lot of people really quick. I don't know that that

(35:14):
she comes with that, but maybe that's not a bad thing.
But she's you're not gonna there is no replacing Matt Gates.

Speaker 7 (35:20):
Well, I think President Trump is looking at two or
three areas, Greg. Certainly the size of government, and that's
why he's got Elon Musk and the vec Ramus want
me working on that. We'll talk about that in the
five o'clock hour. Another area he wants change in the
Department of Justice. Yes, I mean he has been attacked
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(35:42):
as a political weapon against their foes, and Donald Trump
wants that stopped. And he's putting a lot of faith
I think in Pam Bondi, who you said, she's known
as a very tough prosecutor. She was in Florida to
take on that job, and it's going to be it's
going to be a big one.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah. I don't know as many doj in places now.
They resigned before she enters the building like they would
have with Gates. But I do think she'll do at
the presence.

Speaker 7 (36:05):
So we'll see what happens. All right, shrinking the size
of the government. How much are you in the savor
of them. We'll talk about that with you next on
the Roden Greg the vek Ramaswami and Elon Musk yesterday
wrote a great editorial in the UH in the Wall
Street Journal talking about the Doge plan to reform government

(36:25):
following the Supreme Court's guidance will reverse a decade long
executive power grab. They've got a huge task in front
of them. But I tell you what, I hope they're successful.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well, they have to be. They have to be successful.
This is our window. It's not going to be easy.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Be prepared for the regime media and everyone to describe
this as dismantling democracy. They're going to try and say that.
You're gonna watch They're gonna even reject the premise that
there's a bureaucracy. The democrats in this regime media are
gonna say, bureaucracy. Do you mean that there's a department
and then they exist? I mean, are you even talking
about what I hope happens. And this is that this

(37:03):
whole idea that they're still not coming to work because
of the COVID policy. I hope that you have to
come into work five days a week.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
I hope that. I hope that's a refiner's fire. And
they're all like, work, why would we do that? We
work for the federal government. I'm not working. And then
they don't come back yes, that's My fingers are crossed
for that.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
I think I heard this somewhere or read it somewhere.
Greg that seventy percent, and that figure may be too high,
but seventy percent of the office space that the federal
government uses right now or leases right now is not
being used.

Speaker 14 (37:34):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
That's seventy of that office space and the federal employees.
And I think you're right. I think at first day
Donald Trump, let's see, he's put into office on Monday
the twentieth. Yes, right, he says, Okay, everybody, you've got
one week a week from today. I want every federal
employee in the office. How many of them do you
think will quit?

Speaker 5 (37:54):
All of them? Hope? I don't know. I don't know
how many of pay. We're ready to just clean house.
We need to just get this thing done.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
It goes back to our interview with our last guest,
and that is there's a bit of a shop closed
shop going on where those that regulate, those that have
anything to do with creating regulations or policies or admiss
they get hired by the people they regulate. Yeah, and
so if you have a seven figure job waiting for you,
if you give them a little nice wink and a
nod while you're the regulator and you know that's coming.

(38:22):
The people are the ones that are getting left behind
or being victimized by that type of process, and that
has been going on for a long time. I don't
think anyone would argue that that's going on. I've seen
sixty minutes, which I don't hold all that high. But
they've talked about it with the DEA that that's happened,
They've talked about it with all these different government agencies.
There's just a and even in Congress where you get
chiefs of staff or congressional staffers who get these sweetheart

(38:46):
K Street lobbyist jobs as long as they're treating them
right while they're on the clock for the member of
the Fress.

Speaker 7 (38:52):
You know what I like and what they said in
this article is they want to work with the lawyers,
they want to work with a Supreme Court. They want
to do this legally right. They don't want to just
get in there and slash They understand there are a
lot of hills to climb. Biggest challenge is going to
be the Civil service employees because that union is so
strong and over the years the Democrats have put in
so many protections for them so they don't get fired

(39:14):
or they lose their job. They've got a hell to climb,
Greg What we want to know tonight is how much
of the public, how much of our listeners are behind
this effort.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
I have a different question. Okay, are you going to
stick with them?

Speaker 7 (39:25):
Yeah, that's that's the other Here's that's the bigger.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Issue, because here's my here's my this is what I'm
worried about, this is this is all new. We didn't
think this was even possible. Now now we have Vibeate.
Ramaswami's announced that he's going to end his podcast. He
has a weekly podcasts and because they are going he
and Elon are going to do a weekly podcast for
the Department of Government Efficiency, and they are going to
update the citizenry of this country every single week. Plus

(39:50):
they're going to put what they're doing trands online so
you can see all the things that they're discovering. If
the people lose interest in this, if the people decide
to move on to another topic, if they don't keep
the views in the participation of the American people high
in what they're trying to do, then Congress and all
the beer cut. No one's going to be motivated to move.

(40:10):
It's going to take the American people staying a part
of this as partners with Elon and Vaiveik and the
Trump administration. If they stay on this, we're going to
see change.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
We didn't think it was possible.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
If they move on and they get bored with the
topic and they just say, well, we'll let them go
do their thing, wake us up when you're finished. I
think that the political will in Congress and in places
where it has to happen, it's going to go away.
So the question is, are you or are we the
people ready to hand this for the long term. Are
we going to watch this for the next four years?
Are we going to really track this and really reward

(40:42):
those that do the right thing and vote out or
punish those with our voice and our vote those that
want to protect the swamp.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
In this editorial or in this commentary that Elon and
Vivek wrote, they said we will have this job done
in two years. I believe that's what their pledge is.
Now Here, here's something to think about. Greg. I saw
this analysis today. I can't where this came from the
paperwork that the American people have to deal with in
dealing with the company or the country. Right, it hit

(41:12):
ten billion hours this year and it equals fifteen thousand lifetimes. Yeah,
you know, can you believe that? I mean, this is
so large, you know, is it so big we can't
get it under control?

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Well, you know, it's.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Getting a lot more attention now. And Trump did in
his first administration work on this a lot. If he
was going to put any kind of administrative rule in place,
his rule, his standard was you had to get rid
of three to get one.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
And they did that. They honored that.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
They would take administrative rules or processes and you'd have
to eliminate make more efficient before you could add. We've
had problems in Utah where we have an environmental impact
study that you have to do to build a road,
a bridge, or a rail whatever it is. Takes three years.
So you're done there. You have to go to the
Army Corps of Engineers and that takes three years. And
when you're done with the Army Corps, you're vironmentallympas that

(42:00):
he expires. Yeah, okay, and that is again another wow.
So I went back to Washington when I was Speaker
and I met with the EPA to.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Say, can we do these at the same time.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
Can we overlap these studies so that we're not doing one,
then you do the other, and by the time you're
done with the second one, the first one's expired and
you got to play that game again. And that is
the kind of bureaucratic madness that we're seeing where you
can't see infrastructure build and it doesn't just happen in Utah.
But those are the things that they are going to identify,
I think pretty quickly to make this country really competitive.

(42:30):
I mean, you've got countries around the world that can
build rail and roads and bridges very quickly. The federal
just bureaucracy and things I just described or what can
hold us back. So I think those things can be
changed pretty quickly. We worked on it, we got away.
We actually got some improvement on those things in that
first term. This is like on steroids.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
Yeah, well, here's the challenge I have. That's why we
want to get to our callers tonight eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero. My bad, mister Hughes, would
be if we walked out on the street right now,
and ask people, would you like the size of government
to be reduced and the cost of government to be reduced?
I bet nine and a half out of ten people
would say yes.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
And the only one, the only one that say no,
we need to go, you know, put a butterfly net
around him and take into the funny farm.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
Now that's the that's the voters will ye. I'm not
sure if the politicians will is there to do what
needs to be done. That's going to be the big challenge.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
But the peoples will collect, they will will help those
election officials right along.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
All right, we want to hear from you tonight on this.
Are you willing to go along with a reduction, a
large reduction, a massive reduction, and stick with them and
stick with them for this term? In a with the
federal government eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero triple eight five seven eight zero one zero, or
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(43:49):
all right, we're talking about the what they call it
the Department of Government.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
What is it?

Speaker 7 (43:54):
Department of government, evalue, department of its its Department of government,
fiency the dog. It's being headed up by Elon Musk
and Vivek Ramaswami appointed by President Donald Trump. It will
not be an office in Washington, will be outside of Washington,
and their job is to make reduce the size of

(44:16):
government greg and to make it more efficient. I think
that is.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Can they do it?

Speaker 7 (44:22):
I guess? I mean, it is a massive government that
we have in this country right now.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Look, I'm bullish that they can't.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
Well, I hope they can't.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Say they're a wicked smart.

Speaker 16 (44:30):
But I but I do.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
I do think it is contingent on the American people
tracking it, supporting it, staying engaged in what they're doing.
Because the media is going to do its level best
to turn the people against their their actions. They're going
to try and make them look like they're destroying this
country and its institutions. And so the only the only

(44:51):
way to overcome that, and with elected politicians that might
not have the same viomen vigor to to drain the swamp,
you have to bring the people along with that. And
they have the perfect tools to do that in terms
of x A social media platform, long form podcasts. They
can do it, but the people have to stay engaged
in this and they have to be in on it too.
They have to be supporting this along the way. That's

(45:14):
the big question. The big question I have is will
the American people stick with this effort? It sounds great, okay,
but you're gonna get into the details. You're gonna get
you're gonna get people pushing back. There's gonna be competing
narratives about what they're really doing and if they can
be trusted and all of that. Will the American people
stick with Elon Musk and vy Bike Ramaswami in this
massive undertaking because it isn't small.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
They're not trying to trim the edges here.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
They're looking to take four hundred plus departments and agencies
and pare them down to two hundred or even less. Yeah,
that's very ambitious, and in twenty four months, as Elon
has said, they won't be able to do any of that.
In my mind, if the people are not wholly for
them and supportive of what they're doing and ready to
hold anyone in Congress and Washington accountable, who would try

(46:00):
to thwart them or stop them from doing.

Speaker 7 (46:03):
Well, just think about this. I mean this growth in government, Greg,
if you want to go all the way back, I
think started with FDR Yes, bringing the country out of
the depression, created all these government agencies, and it has
simply grown and gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. Bill Clinton,
I think trimmed it back a little bit, didn't he.
I think he did working with Nutgengritch at one time.

(46:24):
Ronald Reagan tried it. I need to do a little
more research. Was it called the Grace Commission? Grace Commission,
Grace Commission. I don't know how much he was able
to achieve. Donald Trump has campaigned for a long long time.
I'm going to drain the swamp. He tried to do
it in his first term, but I think he realized
how big of a job this is, and I don't
think he had the mandate of the people to do that.

(46:45):
I think he does this time, and that's why I
think there could be changed.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
I got forty three pages of accomplishments that he was
able to do under the duress of this Russian collusion, folks,
that he was laboring under forty three pages. We'll have
eighty six pages and more of accomplished in this second term.
But I go back to it has to have the support,
the robust support of the American people, and they have

(47:08):
to trust that when these things happen, they're not going
to believe the lies. The biggest example I'm seeing right
now is when Trump talks about getting rid of the
Department of Education, the left is already trying to scare
parents into saying you're going to lose special education.

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kids that live in poverty. What we're saying is is
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(51:22):
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That's water to the end of the row.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
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Speaker 7 (51:29):
Well, you mentioned the ol OINB successful if the if
the voters stay with it, that's right, the will of
the voters. My question would be, though, are politicians willing
to do this? I mean, think about it. You're a
congressman representing the district. With this plan, an agency or
several federal employees who are in your district, their jobs
are going to be eliminated. Are you willing to say, yes,

(51:51):
we have to do this. I don't know if politics,
I don't know if politicians have the will.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Well, let me just say, here's the math to it.
If the number of people that are willing to vote
against you is higher, okay, and the dollars that you
can collect from the donors asking you to do different
will not trick persuade those voters. Otherwise, at the end
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people's voice is strong and they expect them to work
with this administration and do these things like government efficiency,
they'll do it. But if they think they can get
away with these narratives of all they're trying to hurt
your kids and stay with the status quo, then they
won't make those hard decisions because they're going to go
with the donors and they're going to go with the

(52:36):
path of least resistance because this isn't going to be
This is a heavy lift. But if the people are
the ones that are expecting those that represent them to
do this, that will be.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Very very persuasive.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Take it from a recovering public servant. Your constituency's concerns
do weigh into these decisions mightily?

Speaker 7 (52:55):
Yeah? All right, Well, we want to know, first of all,
as a voter, do you have the will to stick
with it? Because this isn't going to happen overnight, right,
You've got to stay on top of this. Do you
think your locally elected politician has the will to just
stay with this? I'd like to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Plus my third question is, because I think our listeners
are cut from that cloth, they will stay with it.
Do you think those around you do you think the community.
Do you think America where right now this is pulling
so high? We want to do this, this makes sense?
Do you think will people yes, well, where your community,
will your neighborhood, where your caucus, you know you're precinct.
Will people stick with the president on this and really

(53:32):
expect to see this kind of efficiency and demand that
the policy the members of Congress follow.

Speaker 7 (53:38):
Through along with it. Eight eight eight five seven oh
eight zero one zero triple eight five seven oh eight
zero one zero on your cell phone, dial pound two
fifty and say, hey, Rod, give us a call. We'll
get your thoughts on this. As we continue with our
live broadcast from Mickey Gotur herein Layton. More coming up
on The Roden Gregg.

Speaker 6 (53:54):
Show, Elon Musk v veg Ramswami in their Department of
Government efficiency, they're going to make very transparent. They're going
to do it through long form podcasts. They're going to
have social media sites that shows the math and what
they're finding by way of inefficiencies.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Are the American people going to stick with them?

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Are they going to keep paying attention to this and
put a value to it to create the political will
once they discover these efficiencies that can be found to
actually go ahead and vote for it and do it.
That's the that's the big question. So let's go to
the our callers, and let's go to Scott and Saint
George and see.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
What he has to say. Scott, thank you for joining
us on the Rodd and Greg Show. Thank you.

Speaker 17 (54:34):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. Hey, I think the people will have
the ability to stick with Trump. We all know it
needs to happen. But I think we need education. I
graduated from high school in nineteen seventy nine. I know
most people thought that was dinosaur zone, but the Education
Department was created by Carter in seventy eight. So I'm

(54:57):
a product of no educ department, no national education. And
so we need to tell people everything was okay before
Carter started it all. And if we can't get that
message across, same thing with Department of Energy as a
Carter creation, we need to really use education. The news

(55:20):
is going to do the reverse.

Speaker 14 (55:23):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Your thoughts on that, well, I agree with you. There
are a couple of times I have heard, and you
may have a little more background on this than I, Scott,
that Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education in part
to satisfy the teachers union. He needed the teachers union
vote going up against Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty, so

(55:46):
he created that department to guarantee teachers they'd have a
job and to create apartment. That's one of the reasons
he did it. That's what I've always heard. Another issue
think about this, why do we need the EPA. I
mean almost every state, I think all states have their
own EPA kind of agency, So why do we need
the e PA. That, by the way, I believe was

(56:07):
the creation of Richard Nixon. It was, you know, So yeah,
I'm with you, Scott. I think we need to get in.
We're you know, as far as AJHS. We spend more
money medically per person in this country than anyone else
in the world, and we're sicker, but we're sicker. So
how much how much sense does that matter?

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Scott?

Speaker 6 (56:25):
To your point two, funding and student scores have gone down.
If that doesn't, that doesn't indict the entire Department of
Education right there.

Speaker 17 (56:38):
And it's scary to think what you said, Rod, I
didn't even thought of that. So they do it to
buy votes and then it never goes away and just
increases and increases wasteful spending to buy more votes. That's
that's horrifying. That's exactly why we have Elon and Ramaswami.

Speaker 7 (56:57):
Yep, you're you're exactly right, Scott. I was going to ask,
I am trying to think, Greg, if I've ever seen
a government agency or program goal away.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
No, you haven't.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
We have. This is how bad is the Rural Electrification Agency.
The Rural Electrification Agency was created to provide electricity in
our most.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Rural communities of America.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
The Rural Electrification Agency still exists to death and there
is no shortage of elect of power now delivered to
the small communities of America. But that agency still lives.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
Yeah. Well, here's another example, just recently, the the misnamed
Inflation Reduction Act, right, Yeah, it was supposed to provide
internet service to parts of the country they couldn't get it.
Still hasn't happened, never happened, Still has never happened. This
government waste you got it, billions.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Of dollars to make sure and it never happened.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
Yeah, it never happens. So you know, I our question is, I,
Greg has and I think put it very well. For
this to succeed, voters are going to have to remain engage.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
They're going to have to pay attention to this. They're
going to have to show their support for the president.
He wants this done. There's going to be can you
imagine the pushback. I mean, you've got Big Pharma, big.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Food haven't even begun to see it.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
Yeah, you know, you've got the employee unions all who
are going to push back on this. It's not going
to be easy. But if the American people want to
get things done, Greg, I think they just have to
stick to it.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
What's exciting about the era that we've entered into is
that there has been a greater empowerment of the people
where you're going to get information. I mean, he wants
to expand that presspool, that White House presspool.

Speaker 7 (58:32):
To include so social media, critical.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Podcasters, where the Conway communication is not just the regime media.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
That's that's a that's a great advantage.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
But the people are going to have more information at
their disposal, real information to help create political will. And
now do we use it is that political? Are we
going to take advantage of this information? Are we going
to are we going to join this the efforts with
our with our support for all the heavy lifting that
has to happen, or was it?

Speaker 5 (58:58):
Was it just a good bumper slogan? Old get excited about?

Speaker 7 (59:02):
Oh all right? Eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
zero On your cell phone, of course, dial pound two
to fifty and say, hey, Rod, how much are you
behind the president's effort to reduce the size of government.
He's asked Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami to head up
the Department of Government Efficiency. Their job is to get

(59:25):
in there and reduce the size of government. We have
currently what four hundred and thirty eight agencies in the
government as of today. Musk has said he'd like to
get that number down to about two hundred. But if
you look at all the programs are out there, all
the waste in government out there, the money we're spending

(59:45):
on some of the most ridiculous things you can think of,
this is where they're going after. I think, Greg that's
the low hanging fruit. Some of these these agencies, these programs,
You ask them, what are you doing, what are you accomplishing?
If they can't through that question, they should go.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
They're gonna have a hard time answering that question. But
what the answer they're going to give, and they're gonna
have a meat. The media is going to be their
allies and doing it is They're not going to have
to answer what they do. They're gonna tell the American
people what goes away if they go away, and all
of it will be akin to armageddon. All of it
will be akin to this, the fabric of our society

(01:00:22):
being torn apart if any of these agencies are interrupted.
Because you got to remember in Washington, DC, if I
were to compare it to weight, I gained five pounds
last year, I get another five pounds this year. I
only gained three more pounds on the third year. Well
that's a two pound cut. Did you know that I
just lost two pounds. I'm thirteen pounds heavier, But in

(01:00:45):
Washington speak, I just lost three pounds. No, No, you
didn't lose three pounds. You just didn't gain as much
as you were gaining year over year. And they think,
they really think it's a cut when their growth is
slowed down to a it's still a grown number, a
number that grows, Yeah, it just doesn't grows fast.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
That's a cut.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
That is not a cut. That's not how our family
budgets work. That's not how business works, That's not how
anything works except for the swamp. And so what we're
really talking about is true cuts, not slowing the growth,
which is all they've ever understood government to be. So
this is we have to be prepared that this is
not going to be digested.

Speaker 7 (01:01:23):
Well, you know what I mean a lot of people, Yeah,
you know what I see coming back? Remember the old
dad with Paul Ryan pushing a woman in the wheelchair
off a cliff.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Oh yeah, you do know.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
I'm saying he's going to cut Medicare, gonna cut Social Security.
We never intend to do that. Donald Trump has said
that how many times he will not cut Medicare or
Medicaid or Social Security. He's not going to do that,
even though great someday somebody is going to have.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
To address well, look for the five year olds, tell
them that they're not going to get the social Security,
they're not going to know to care.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
But in all honesty that I think that that the
way they're going to do it now.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
I do think it's a unique time where we can
actually see it shrink in a real way, not slowing
the growth and I and when you're thirty six dollars
trillion dollars in debt and growing, when I mean Biden
on the way out is forgiving the loans. He has
no right to forgive in the billions of dollars to
Ukraine right now.

Speaker 7 (01:02:18):
Well, he doesn't believe in the rule of law. He
does him believe in it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
He's been trying to pay off a student debt, student
loan debts that the Supreme Courts that he couldn't. They're
still trying. So I'm just saying that the money means
nothing to them, but it's it's it's a non sustainable
path and so it has to that has to be interrupted.
And I think that there's I think this is the
window to do it. If we don't do it in
this window, I just don't. I don't see there any
any course correction in our future.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
Steve More will join us here coming up in a
few minutes after the news updates at the top of
the hour. And I mentioned earlier I saw him on
Fox News today, Greg and he was saying he's had
I think he said, uh, anywhere from twenty to thirty
calls from Fortune, five hundred CEOs volunteering help Elon and
the veg out. I mean, they have to run their

(01:03:03):
companies efficiently. Now they're saying, hey, let's look at the
government and make it run efficiently. In my opinion, government
is like a business. A little bit different maybe, but
it's still a business, and you've got to run it
like a business.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
And the greatest hypocrisy I can already see it coming.
Where I've been arguing that somewhere down the line, big
government and big business merged at the expense of the
American people, this regime media to try and preserve this bureaucracy,
in this crony capitalism that they actually have. They're going
to try to tell you that these business leaders Elon
Musk Vivek, that they're self serving, but they have conflicts

(01:03:38):
of interest, that you can't trust what they're trying to
do to cut it because they're only doing it for
their own profit. These will be the baseless accusations that
those that are genuinely trying to cut really cut government
and find efficiencies are going to be accused of by
this machine. That is what's coming. You're already seeing it
in some of the rhetoric with around the Department of education.

(01:03:58):
But it's I just know that they're not going out
without a fight.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
They are.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
They're going to fight tooth and nail to keep their
existence and to keep growing because that's all they know.
And it's going to take a fight on our side
to really support the Trump administration and their efforts to
get this right.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Let's see if we can get a call in before
the break. Let's go to Scott in Salt Lake City.
He wants to weigh in on this. Scott, You've got
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Speaker 16 (01:07:55):
Thank you both. I think in addition to the fight
from the agencies themselves, I think a lot of the
elected officials in Washington, DC are going to fight.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
This as well.

Speaker 16 (01:08:06):
The Democrats will stand up and scream about it, but
I'm I'm expecting that behind closed doors a lot of
Republicans are also going to be fighting money coming back
to their districts. This is going to be an uphill
battle all the way around.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
I agree with you, Scott, and like we said, the
will of the vote. The voter's will is there. The
question is is a politician's will there. Are they willing
to stand up to you know, whatever influences lobby as
they have and say no.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
I'll put it, I'll put a real life You actually
brought up this, this hypothetical, but it's not even a hypothetical.
It probably will happen, Department of If you fail seven
audits on a on an eight hundred billion dollar budget,
there is certainly savings that can be found. But Hill
Air Force is here and you talk, it's right in
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(01:08:52):
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argue for every dollar, what will our congressmen do in
the face of efficiencies versus kill Air Force base as.

Speaker 7 (01:09:01):
That's why voters like you said that's right, all right,
we'll get into more of this with Steve Moore. Economist
extraordinary and that's what he likes to call himself. Right,
we agree, that's coming up. Well, last hour, we had
a great discussion with you about you know, this effort
to reduce and reform government. It is not going to
be an easy task now, to say the least, right,

(01:09:24):
And as we've been pointing out, it's going to be you,
the voters. You have got to stay engaged and really
exert your will on politicians who I think greg are
going to be a little skittish in wanting to get
something done in reform government.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
I well, they will. I mean, that's that's what they're
known for. And the only thing that really gets them
going is the voters. Ye. Self preservation and self preservation
is an amazing It brings understanding, it brings empathy, brings everything.
And so their self preservation in politics is they need
to earn the support of those that they represent.

Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
They do.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
The more of young people we're seeing in this election,
young people are voting at a higher rate. You're seeing
all demographics getting more involved and looking voting for Trump.
That momentum, that newfound groundswallow support has to continue into
this term.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
Yes, it sure does well. Joining us now on our
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Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Steve.

Speaker 7 (01:10:31):
Great to have you on the show. Steve, let's talk
about this effort on the part of Elon Musk and
Vivek Ramaswami, the DOGE plan to reform government. What's your take?
Is it going to work? How much work have they
got to do? Steve Oh, I do I.

Speaker 14 (01:10:44):
Think people are You know, I've probably gotten a calm
by from a dozen CEOs of major American fortune five
hunner companies just say they want to participate, they want
to help, they want to help audit these agencies find
ways we can bring down our national debt by finding
the waste and fraud, an inefficiency and in our government
hundreds of billions of dollars. I know that that DLA

(01:11:06):
must say trillions. I don't know if we can cut trillions,
but hundreds of billions, that's still a lot of money.
So I do think this has a world of potential.
I think that there's so many duplicative programs, programs that
really haven't done added any value. You know, we've spent,
by my estimate's five hundred billion dollars over the last
forty years on the US Department of Education. Yet it's

(01:11:29):
had no impact on testco impact. If anything, test scores
have gone down, not up. So with so many of
these agencies we spend. The more we spend, the worse
the results are. And I think it's time for people
to realize we've got a downsized government. I have this
idea of having a big national with the world's largest
grouse sale, and we just sell off a lot of
these assets.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
I love it, Steve. So here's my question. I so,
you know, we over time, we've heard about the thousand
dollars hammer. We've heard about government waste. We've heard that,
and it's always things that make our eye shake and
we just hate to hear it. But then really nothing
ever happens this where they want to have a podcast,
where they want to be very transparent with the public
on this. Will it hold the America's attention because I

(01:12:12):
think their greatest strength would be an American people tracking
and supporting the work they're doing. Because the media narrative
is going to be that the sky's falling. Will the
American attention span stick with Elon Musk and live age
over this process.

Speaker 14 (01:12:28):
It's a great question, And you know, I think we
as Americans do have two attentions fans, so it's good
question to ask. But all I can tell you is,
so far, the reaction to this has been universally positive.
I mean, I was just on Box News earlier today
with a guy that I do a little dual. You know,
we argue about his shoes every weak and you know,

(01:12:49):
he's a good friend of mine. But he and I
don't know, I see the world the same way. But anyway,
he and I were like complete agreement. He was saying,
and he's a Democrat. He said, Yeah, we got to
do this. We got to clean out the attic. We
haven't cleaned out the attic or the basement in forty years.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
How difficult is it going to be, Steve? Do you
think to work around all these civil service protections that
are now in place and trying to reduce the size
of government. How difficult of a job is that going
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Huge. I think it's one of the biggest obstacles is
these outdated civil service laws that make it impossible, I mean,
you know, next to impossible to fire anybody, you know.
And look, if you're running business, you know you fire
the non performers. It's just the way the world works.
You know, you can't you can't get rid of a
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(01:17:09):
many workers who have not even shown up since COVID
and they're still getting paychecks and you can't get them
off the payroll. So but that's because of these crazy
civil service laws and every you know, four years ago
when Trump tried to fix these says, oh, you're trying
to pull the side of the civil service system. I'm like,
what are you talking about? The civil service? Ninety two
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(01:17:30):
they're a cross section of American and they are terrified.
And by the way, they're terrified of this commission. I mean,
I've got neighbor because I live in the swamp, I
got neighbors. Oh my god, they're going to come for
my job.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
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Speaker 14 (01:17:41):
You know, tell me what you do.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
So here's my question, because I think one of the
great refiners fires would be to say you don't get
to enjoy the COVID era you don't have to go
to work ever again policy, and you have to start
coming to work five days a week. If they were
for us to do that, would that help with the
civil service law? I mean getting around it?

Speaker 14 (01:18:02):
Well, that's exactly what the VEC ROAMSLAMI was saying today
around the news that you know, we're going to require
people to show up at the office. What a concept,
you know, And so if you don't want to show
up for office, that's crying. It's a free country, but
that we're free not to pay you if you're not
going to show up. And those are the kinds of
common sense proposals that you know. I mean, look when

(01:18:24):
when Elon Musk took over Twitter, he fired ten thousand
people and he got more more output, you know, at
lower costs. You know, so he knows how to do this,
I mean, And look, I don't I'm not wishing for
people to lose their jobs, but if people are doing
stuff that is just paper shuffling, tari, we're losing two

(01:18:45):
trillion dollars a year. We can't afford to do that
any longer.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
How is this going to unfold? Do you think Steve,
as you're looking at this now, how how do you
see this unfolding? And the American people actually started seeing
some action taking place on trying to reduce the size
the government. How do you see a plane out right now?

Speaker 14 (01:19:02):
Well, you know you've got to do several things.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
No.

Speaker 14 (01:19:05):
Number One, you've got to get Democrats on you know,
how to tell the democrats you know, we want you
to participate this. And look, if you're a good government democrat,
you should be in favor of this, right, you should
be in favor of going after the war, you know,
helping fight the war on waste. Second of all, you've
got to get some of the top professionals. We need
business leaders all over the country who will participate in.

(01:19:26):
People who know how to clean things up and turn
things around. And then you need to buy in from
the American people. As you were asking earlier, we got
to have the American people behind us and really make
sure that Americans understand that what we're doing is not
cutting the vital services of government. We're cutting out all
the non vital services and the things that are helping

(01:19:50):
bankrupt our country. If you get buy in from those
three groups of people, I have really high hopes for this,
and I think we could. You know, we're running we're
at thirty six point five trillion on our debt, and
we're running a two trillion dollar death of each year.
We need to turn this battleship around before it hits
an iceberg. Is that simple? And I think Americans are

(01:20:11):
ready for it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
So I heard some of these apologies for the swamp.
I say, well, you know, if they're willing to go
through security clearances and conflict of interest background checks and
all the things that they own and what might be
might touch the industries of which they are involved in,
and they're ready to divorce themselves from all of these conflicts,
then maybe the administration can hire them or to have

(01:20:34):
them engage and go into these departments to look for efficiencies.
All of that just sounds like barriers to entry to
prevent of course this. So will they get away with
that mantra? Is that something that can be imposed on
Elon Muskervive Acre? Is that just excuse making for them?

Speaker 14 (01:20:52):
Yeah? Well, look, I do think you want to make
sure that people involved in this do not have conflicts
of interest for sure, and they should, you know, they
should sign with the interest waiver you know, uh, forms,
But here's my idea. Why does this Why do we
even have to spend government money on this? I mean,
I think Elon Musk and major you know, uh, you know,

(01:21:13):
the billionaires of this country could easily raise enough money
to do this. I mean, you know us could do
it himself. He this should be a totally privately funded project,
where Donald Trump simply says the agency had cooperate with
these people. Open up the hood, let us see what's that,
what what the motor looks like? And so that reduces

(01:21:36):
the idea that somebody's you know, got some kind of
self interest in this. We want we want you know,
the Jack Welch's of the world, the modern day Jack
welch is who know how to turn things from good
to great? What we this wouldn't be good to great.
This would be you know, complete wreckage to you know,
at least mediocre potent. Yeah, exactly. So, Look, I mean

(01:21:58):
it's and I got to just tell you, guys, I
bet you know eighty percent of the people listening to
your show agree with what we're saying. It's time we
should have done this twenty five years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:22:08):
Yeah, we sure should have Steve. Thank you Steve Moore.
He is an economist with Freedom Works, also an economic
advisor to President Trump. President elect Trump talking about the
plan to reduce government as much as we possibly can.
All right, we've got a couple of stories. Can I
share this one with you first? This to me, Greg
is it's just disgusting the way this White House operates

(01:22:29):
in this administration. This is what drives me does. And
here's the story. President Biden awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
That's the nation's highest civilian award that you can give
to somebody, to the former head of Planned Parenthood, an
organization that has killed what, on average, three hundred and
thirty five thousand babies a year. It's a big nomb

(01:22:51):
in abortion, maybe a million. Here's the thing. They did
it without anybody knowing it. They didn't alert the press,
it wasn't on his schedule. He just did it secretly
because he knew what a ruckus this would cause. I
mean when I heard that, I read this this morning,
when these guys have no shame the Democratic Party.

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
Yeah, talk about.

Speaker 6 (01:23:14):
Can I see the word bastardization on the air of
the Medal of Freedom awards.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
That's how you do it. And that's why they didn't
alert the media because it's a bit of a farce.

Speaker 7 (01:23:23):
Yeah it is, it really is. Yeah. Her name is
Cecil Richards. She was president of Planned Parenthood, the nation's
largest abortion provider and a major pro choice advocacy group,
from two thousand and six to twenty eighteen. The ceremony,
as I mentioned, not listed on mister Biden's public schedule,
nor was his decision to award the medal to miss

(01:23:43):
Richards publicly announced until after the presentation. By the way,
talk about chickens to.

Speaker 6 (01:23:50):
The number of abortions that are performed in the United States,
and twenty twenty three was over a million, and that
is a eleven percent increase from the number in twenty
twenty which was just under a million, one hundred and
thirty thousand. So that's that's the Medal of Freedom award
material there.

Speaker 7 (01:24:06):
Yeah right there. I mean, And they just did it
without anybody knowing. That's what bothers me more than anything.
They were so afraid to publicly do it. They did
it secretly, was not in schedule. The media was notified
of this at all. They just gave her the award.
What a bunch of chickens my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Yep, I agree. I agree. By the way, do you
know that there's a new definition of the winning the
popular vote?

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
Yeah, So the regime media now says that Trump did
not win the popular vote because as the ballots have
been counted, his numbers have dipped to fifty nine point
eight percent of the vote. So he is still won
the majority. He has more votes than anyone else on
a bout that is not now according to a new

(01:24:50):
definition of what the popular vote is, that doesn't get
you the popular vote if you're not over fifty percent. Well,
Bill Clinton won the popular vote with forty three percent, Yes,
the vote. Because Ross Perot in there and George herbroker Bush,
I don't remember them saying that that the Bill Clinton
lost the national popular vote because he was at forty
three percent. You have a forty nine point eight percent

(01:25:13):
vote count for President Trump, and that's he was over
fifty percent up until just maybe a few weeks ago,
because California just keeps counting. Okay, they're still counting. But
I just think that that's what you're reading when you
read that, is that's an attempt to minimize the amazing
groundswell and mandate he has from the people.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Yeah, I was going to say, you know why they're
doing this. The legacy media wants to go out there
and say he doesn't have a mandate, he didn't get
a mandate. Well, you know, I don't know what getting the.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
Most they're saying in here that this percentage of his
victory over over Kamala Harris is smaller than Hillary Clinton's
popular vote margin over him in sixteen. It's smaller than
Barack Obama's popular vote of three point nine percent and
twelve George Bush's two point four percent victory in two

(01:26:02):
thousand and four.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
But here's what they have.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
What they don't really want to tout is that his
three hundred and sixteen electoral votes, that's more than Obama got.

Speaker 13 (01:26:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
Yeah, so the electoral vote wins bigger than those other candidates.

Speaker 7 (01:26:15):
All Right, We've got another half hour coming you way
here on the Rod and Great Show as we continue
with our live broadcast from Minky Cotour on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
K n RS.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
Yeah, it's the first census last year. The twenty twenty
census is the first one the state of California actually
had a shrinking population. Since they've been doing it, California
has done nothing but grow in population until the last
one where they saw a larger out migration out of
the state.

Speaker 5 (01:26:43):
And I think that's going to continue.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
I think they're going to lose electoral Uh, they're going
to lose congressional seats. They're going to lose electoral votes
in the next census as well.

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
The taxes, the crazy green policies are killing that state.
And that's too bad because it is a beautiful state.

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
It is the weather, the weather, it overcame a lot
of problems until it didn't. Now it's just it's just
to a place where everybody's going, yeah, we got to get.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
Out of here.

Speaker 7 (01:27:09):
Well, you know what, during the during the election this year,
so much was made about the pollsters out there. You know,
we talked about the polls all the time, which one
was right, which one was wrong. But apparently there were
some new election gurus out there that nobody has ever
heard about. This is a fascinating story, Greg, it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
Really is so joining us on the show, John Tierney,
the contributing editor, does are we up for this? Contributing
editor from a city journal talking about this new age
of election analysis and predictions that take the pros and
make them look silly.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
John, thanks for joining us tonight. All right, who are
these new election gurus? John?

Speaker 12 (01:27:49):
Well, there's they are mostly these amateur number crunchers on
X and you know, I first my son had discovered
them on X. You know, they're very small followings, and
you know, and right before they and what they do
is they analyze early voting data and they built their
own computer models there to drill into who's voted where

(01:28:12):
and figure out where the election is. And they were
just amazing that. You know this last time, it was funny.
Right before the election, Nate Silver, the fame you know statistician,
tweeted us a just say no to early voting. It'll
just confuse you that don't worry about it. And he
got this reply from this anonymous middle aged woman in

(01:28:32):
Utah who said to him, who tweeted back, Nate, sit down,
you don't know anything about early voting. And she was right,
I mean she she started in these there are a
half dozen other people and they they would build, you know,
their own models for different states and then share all
the data. And they all issued separate prediction, and they

(01:28:53):
were just incredibly correct early too. You know, two weeks
before the election, they started calling Nevada and the other
battleground states for a Trump, And by the weekend before
the election, they called six of the seventh battlegrounds. They
still weren't sure about Michigan, but they called them for Trump.
They they got the margins of victory very right. And
some of them also called the national popular vote for

(01:29:15):
him too, So it was amazing. It was just amazing
to see this, you know, happen. I thought that because
everyone else is ooh, Nate and it's a toss up,
it's a fifty to fifty elections, well then we won't
know until late on election day if we're lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
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Speaker 12 (01:29:28):
And they were just saying, you know, like a week
ahead of town, they're saying, this election's over. Trump is,
you know, is going to win.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
So I what, John, what details?

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
Because now not that I follow Nate Silver's every word,
but I subscribed to a substack newsletter. I was watching
because I like to know what they're thinking, and and
he'd gotten it wrong before, but I he throws a
lot of logic out there. Then he contradicts it when
it doesn't say what he wants. But here's the thing
that this is the point he made about early voting
that I thought had merit, and that is if Republicans,
if President Trump or the Republicans had had like a

(01:29:58):
plus eleven percent advance on election day, meaning that the
voters that were going to vote for the Republican or
for Trump came out traditionally on election Day, but there's
been a very big push for early voting that that
was going to cannibalize the high percentage election day advantage
that he was having. Because of that eleven percent that
usually show up an election day, they're actually opting to

(01:30:19):
vote earlier than on election day. And so that's why
his point was, Okay, that's fine, they're going to vote
earlier and that they've banked their vote and it's safe,
but you're not going to see a plus eleven advantage
on election day for them. So did what did these
number crunches in these data guru see in terms of
early voting that did really point to the outcomes of

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Speaker 12 (01:34:15):
Well, see they I mean, that's what they did that
got so sophisticated where I mean, they knew about this
problem of cannibalizing votes. You know, there were Republicans who
were for the first time voting that but they and
it depends on the state how much data is released.
You know, some states you know tell you who, I mean,
everyone tells you, I think, who voted where, and some

(01:34:35):
states tell you if it was a Democrat, Republican, or independent,
and some of them will tell you the gender at
the age of sex and so they quenched. And the
states will also release the voting history of that voter,
so you can see did this person vote you know
all the time? Did they usually vote early? Did they
usually vote on election day? Did they often not vote

(01:34:56):
at all? And the big question was about low propensity
voters they call it. Those are the people that you
need to turn out early because you can't count on
them to show up on election day. And they could
see that, yeah, the Republicans were cannibalizing some votes. They
could see people who usually voted on election day were
not voting early. But they saw that the big surge

(01:35:17):
was coming from newly registered Republicans. And also from these
low propensity voters. You know, their analysis was that sophisticated.
So they could see, we still got plenty of Republicans
who are just doing it the traditional way. They haven't
voted yet, and we got all these new votes in
and the Democrats and they could see. And they could
also see that the Democrats who have this fabled turnout

(01:35:38):
machine to get everyone to vote early, souls to the
polls and all that kind of stuff, they could see
that that thing was just not a delivering you know.
They could you know, you know, this one this woman
in Utah called Data Republicans, you know, that was her handle.
She could drill down in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and look
and see each block who had vote, you know, who

(01:35:59):
had voted on that block this election and compare with
the last time. And they could see that in the
blue strongholds in the cities and the black and Latino neighborhoods,
that that they just were not getting the votes they needed,
you know, to make up for the Republicans advantage on
election day. And you know, they were going and they
saw this across the country too. They saw it and

(01:36:19):
you know, in the ballot, you know, the ballotground states,
and you know in Florida they did. Republic had a
model there and she said, like October twenty, she said,
there's been such a shift now the Democratic turnout is
so low and the Republicans are so high that Trump
is going to win the state by more than ten points.
And people thought that was ridiculous. You know, they can't

(01:36:40):
win by that much. In fact, Nate Silver in their
elect he had offered to bet someone one hundred thousand
dollars that Trump would not win Florida by more than
eight points, and the bet wasn't made. It turned out
Trump won up by thirteen.

Speaker 7 (01:36:55):
Wow, John, John, Greg Greg and I have that we
kind of have an idea who this Utah woman is,
but we won't say, but we kind of think we
know this world out here. John. Yeah, final question for you, John.
A lot of these gurus, I think most of them
want to remain anonymous. Did they say why, John, why
they don't want to be identified?

Speaker 12 (01:37:16):
Well, the one in Utah, that's interesting, you know, and
she may be going public soon because you know she's
gonna she's talking about setting up her own a forecasting website,
something like Silver's, you know, to do it. She said,
you know, she's got a day job. You know, she's
you know, she's a big data analyst for a company.
She said, she doesn't want to drag them into it,

(01:37:36):
but she may. But she told me that she may
be quitting her day job soon and we'll go public
and saying, man, you've got the great guru right there
in Utah. So and you know, one of them was
a pro but the other one just said, look, you know,
people are so partisan, and they were all wrapped. You know,
they were all very much pro Trump, and they just

(01:37:57):
didn't really want their sympathies known that were at their neighborhood.
You know that they decid, I don't want to get
my family or my coworkers. You know, this is just
a hobby I do. I do it because I love numbers.

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
John Tierney from a City Journal contributing editor there Greg
talking about the new election gurus. They were better at
predicting the outcome than any of the well named polsters
that we have in this country today.

Speaker 6 (01:38:21):
You know, I think it's just the age of the
new media, new people. Even the way they're crunching numbers.
They Silver has just proven himself for a third presidential
election cycle in a row to be inaccurate. I mean
even in twenty when Biden one that was supposed to
be a route, there was no chance that ended up
being decided by I don't know. Some people say fifty
thousand votes collectively over four states or three states, it

(01:38:43):
was by a hair. They've they've never seen it. They
don't predict it correctly. There's what they call herting, where
they all want to just mirror each other's numbers so
nobody's wrong. And then you have these young You have
these people out here, they're crunching their own numbers. But
we have platforms like x now where they can push
that out, compare notes, and really provide better information.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Well remember love it?

Speaker 7 (01:39:03):
Yeah, remember the polster in Iowa who had predicted what
on the Sunday before the election, that Kamala was gonna
win Iowa by what eight points?

Speaker 6 (01:39:10):
Was it?

Speaker 7 (01:39:10):
Was it that ridiculous? She's quid.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Yeah, she's actually retired.

Speaker 7 (01:39:14):
She's retired.

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
She's not going to find a new job.

Speaker 7 (01:39:17):
Yeah she should, she should after that prediction. A couple
other notes, this will surprise nobody. Following President Trump's win
back on November fifth, Greg Media observers expected cable news
networks to reap a Trump bump. Didn't happen. MSNBC and
CNN have their ratings have just crashed. I'm so surprised, surprised.

(01:39:37):
I know, you're really sad on this devastating Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they're down more than They've lost more than half their audience.
Fifty three percent of their audience has been has disappeared MSNBC.

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
They have been had a monopoly of the information age
for how long. This is the break.

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
This is the crumbling of that monopoly. I I don't
want to see them come back. I don't want to
see their their ratings, you know, swing back. I want
the new forms of communication, the platform, social media platforms,
the podcast. I want that to be the new conduit
of communication.

Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
Well, you brought this up yesterday. Comcasts is severing their
ties with some of these networks. You know what, And
these anchors, I tell you what, they are as nervous
as cats as they should right now at CNN and MSNBC.
I mean, look at the do you know how much
money Anderson Cooper.

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
Makes, Yeah, it's ticket.

Speaker 7 (01:40:28):
Twenty twenty million dollars for a show that, however, gets
beat time and time again by Sean Hannity almost every night,
if not every night.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:40:37):
Rachel Maddow, she gets thirty million dollars a year for
one show a week.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
They're insane.

Speaker 6 (01:40:43):
I don't even know how they they've ever justified it,
but I think those days hopefully are over.

Speaker 5 (01:40:47):
I hope they're they're done. And look, they don't it.

Speaker 6 (01:40:51):
It should be a spirit of competition if they had
something worth watching and their ratings were up, and then
you pay pay what they're worth. But they may getting crushing.

Speaker 5 (01:40:58):
The rains forever. I didn't know that they can these
things called carriage fees that if it was, oh, cable,
they automatically got money.

Speaker 7 (01:41:04):
They get like a little bit of a cent or
something like that out.

Speaker 6 (01:41:06):
Of everybody's cable bill. They were getting a portion of it,
whether you watch them or What a.

Speaker 5 (01:41:12):
Scam that is.

Speaker 7 (01:41:12):
Yeah, yeah, Oh. One other thing we've talked about the
Washington Post, the uproar over Jeff Bezo's decision not to
endorse the candidate this year, and everybody and they but
everybody went crazy. They are on track to lose seventy
seven million dollars this year. Yeah, Washington Post seventy seven every.

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
Single staff for that Washington Post o bezos an apology
because they are that bad. Yeah, it was seventy seven
million dollars that he's supposed to subsidize their existence.

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
Uh huh, I would show them the door.

Speaker 7 (01:41:41):
Well, and they lost when when he did, he made
the decision apparently not to do the endorsement. They lost
two hundred and fifty thousand subscribers, and a paper that's
losing seventy seven million dollars cannot afford to lose two
hundred and fifty thousand subscribers.

Speaker 6 (01:41:57):
He's hoping to gain him back on the other side
with conservatives. But I just think that I don't that
that regime media is done, all right, I do too.

Speaker 5 (01:42:03):
You're gonna keep it there?

Speaker 7 (01:42:04):
I don't know, And I'm trying to think if there's
anything the legacy media, regime media, whatever you want to
call it, can do to restore the public's confidence.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
At LA Times, the owner fired the entire editorial board
he's trying to rehire.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
I think it's too late for him due LA Times Now.
I don't think that's good. That's no different than The
New York Times, any of them, all.

Speaker 7 (01:42:25):
Right, that does it for us tonight. As we say
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