The Rod and Greg Show: Trump Dismantles Bureaucracy; Red Light Pilot Program; Meritocracy and sanity

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You got to get a life, man.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I could write. I mean, if you took every post,
it might be a book. Okay, I mean I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
I was.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I mean I just could not. I would hear things
back and I just could not. It's just what I
just couldn't. Let's stand it. So I just keep I
keep taking it back. You know, it's it wasn't. It
wasn't anyway, you're a I have to stop. I really
have to stop. I just have to put my take
out there and then just let the chips fall. I
can't just keep going back and forth forever. Yeah, there's

(00:27):
a guy that used to be on the TV. It
used to be a consumer abbagant. I quite like him. Yeah,
but he's he's on there. Just I would just let
you know. This guy. He just hates every single thing
about Trump that there is to There's just not enough
words to describe how much. So you know, it almost
gets to the point where I don't even know if
we're talking about the event or just him.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
But anyway, Yeah, well, the same individual you were talking about.
We used to have a little segment with him almost
every week here on the show, many many years ago. Yes,
he backed away from me. He couldn't stand our listeners.
He just said they were too too conservative.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
There you go. Well, yeah, I would have loved to
have information before I spent a good portion of my weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
You don't want to do it anymore. Didn't like our listeners,
moved on, which is fine, that's his choice.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, we have the smartest listening audience in the world.
That's a great refiners fire. People don't like our listeners,
well then we don't like them. That's what I say. No,
I'm not. I'm not interested in people that think that,
you know, our listening audience or our what we bring
every day is uh, you know, is somehow offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
You need to get a life.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I know, I know I do have. I do have
aspects of my life. I just I don't know this one.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Just stop.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Just dominated my whole weekend listener it's all happening today.
Let me tell you what listeners I see it firsthand
every day. If during the show, if he gets a
text from somebody that he cannot stand and cannot wait
to respond, here respond during the commercial breaks. Do you
want to know the worst trade that I have? If

(02:01):
someone is kind nice? Well okay, well let's just let one.
I'll just pick one one, just one better. I have many,
but this one. If someone is kind of nice, I'm
really so grateful to hear positive feedback. And we get it.
We get it on our live our live shots and everything.
But and I think, thank you and I and you're
such an appreciation. But boy, if someone comes at me hard, man,

(02:22):
I am coming back and I am just gonna go
and I'm just I'm just dug in.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I I get more wound up over the what I
think are baseless uh attacks. Then I do the kind
nice you know, the kind nice ones. It's almost like
I don't take enough inventory over that. I do. I do,
but it doesn't get my head like you know where
you've seen it. When I see something come back that
I think is blather, and I really do think it's blather.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Queen Bee. Our audience feels sorry for you because we
just had. They have no idea what this man puts
you through this weekend with all his responding stuff on Ukraine. Queene.
We understand you. It''re with you. We will we will
see if we can get him help.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I don't I don't write fast, and I write long.
I mean everybody. Really, I talk a lot. You got
to see the text. I mean, that's the other thing
is healthy about X is it forces me to be succinct,
which I don't naturally inclined.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, we've got a lot to get to today. Hope
you had a great weekend. Everybody. We're going to be talking.
Here's what we're talking about today. We're talking about Donald
Trump dismantling the bureaucracy. Did you see today, Greg that uh,
Pete Haigseeth Defense Secretary has now bought in and told
all civilian employees at the Pentagon that they have to
list the five things they accomplish this we could So

(03:42):
he's bought into that. We'll talk about that years and
years ago. This goes way way back, Greg ag and
I believe you were here. There was such a debate
over speed cameras. Were you were you here then? Yeah,
it's called photo cup, Yeah, photo cup. And there was
a day I think it was West Valley tried it.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
People weren't having it.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
No, they weren't having Well, now there's another way to
use cameras when it comes to red lights. We'll talk
with a sponsor of that bill a little bit later.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
On.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
We'll have more on Donald Trump try and bring meritocracy
in some sanity to the White House. Good luck with that.
So we've got a lot to get to today, and
as always, we invite you to be part of the program.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven eight zero one zero or on your
cell phone. All you do is have to dial pound
two fifty and say, hey, rut All right, let's talk

(04:30):
about violence in our cities, Greg, some of our great cities. Yes, okay,
here you have a situation in Boston over the weekend
where a man with a knife decides to go into
a Chick fil A and starts threatening people that he's
going to stab and kill him. Yep, okay, there just
happens to be an off duty police officer in the

(04:52):
restaurant at the same time. Tried to duck the guy down,
tried to calm him down, couldn't do it. The guy
came after him with a knife. Off duty police officer
pulled out his gun, shot and killed him.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Now you would think, wouldn't you think that that officer
would be hailed as a hero for saving the lives.
I don't know how many people were in that restaurant.
But for saving the lives of the people inside that restaurant.
Wouldn't you think that the city officials would come out
and praise that officer for his courage and bravery.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
One would think one would think.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Right, But it didn't happen. I want you to listen.
These are three officials, including the mayor Michelle Wou I
believe is her name, of Boston, responding to what happened
and what they're saying about the officer and the victim.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
My condolences and all of our thoughts are with.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
The family of the individual whose life has been lost.
Our thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
With the family and friends of the individual who's been lost.
So a condonance go to the individual who is killed tonight.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I mean that's amazing. I mean, instead of commending the
officer for doing what you know he's paid to do
and protecting the public, they're out there defending the victim
and saying our prayers and thoughts are with the victim.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Come on, it's it's from the same party that wants
to go and uh, you know, go to go to
Ukraine and fight Russia. You want to fight Russia, but
you can't even defend the police officers defending the people
inside the Chick fil A. I mean, there's just they
just don't there is, there's such a I just I
think they are just such a rudderless group of individuals.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
They are.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I mean, they just they just don't know what they
don't know up from down. It's and there the examples
just every single day, we just have more examples of
where they pit themselves against everyday Americans that just want
to go to Chick fil A without being stabbed. I
don't know, I didn't know that was like a thing.
I didn't know that we had to actually fight for that.
I thought that was kind of an assumed public safety standard.

(07:02):
But now we have, you know, municipal leaders, leaders of
big cities apologizing to the man who's been killed, threatening
to and having a weapon to back up the threats
of stabbing people at the Chick fil A. How I
just you know.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Well, then you have over the weekend, you have Andrew Cuomo,
who apparently has decided to get a second life in
politics and going to run for the mayor of New
York City.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Crazy on so many levels.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Was the one thing that he said right off the band. Crime.
We've got to do something about crime in this great
city of ours.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know, every time these guys get hosed by their
own party, they all sudden become, you know, become believers.
He got ambushed by his own party, he got canceled,
you know, his brother Chris got thrown off a CNN
and now they're all, you know, there they are. They're
tones of change, their political Republicans. They are, they really are.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Here's another one, Manuel Rama Manuel was was he with
Obama or Clinton? I think it was Clinton? Manuel or
was it Obama?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, one of them. And he's a member of Congress,
but he's also the mayor.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
He was the mayor of Chicago. Right well, listen to
what he said this weekend with Bill Maher talking about
what has happened to our great cities in America.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
There is a general rule.

Speaker 7 (08:14):
I had this when I was mayor. Safe streets, strong schools,
stable finances. Focus on those three things in your city's
going to be fine. We've gone through five years where
people became way too permissive of culture. They were all
which is why everything's locked up at Walgreens and CBS,
and that is a disaster. And our school and I'll
say this about our schools. I don't want to hear

(08:35):
another word about the locker room. I don't want to
hear another word about the bathroom. You better start focusing
on the classroom.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
We've become way too permissive. He by the way, was
responding to a question from Bill Maher about the ratings
for the current Chicago maker. He has what six percent approval?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
But Chicago, it's not like, you know, the guy didn't
run that far to the right of the other lady
that was in that job. But they they keep electing
these these people. I mean, at some point, the residents
of Chicago and their voters have to be accountable and
responsible for who in the world they keep putting in charge.
Is anyone gonna, you know, look for a candidate that

(09:17):
actually has common sense, that thinks just what Ron Manuel said,
safe streets, you know, good schools and study finances. That
doesn't sound like a part is an issue to me.
That sounds like just good governance.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Isn't that what we ask our mayors to do in
every city in America today? All Right, we've got a
lot to get to. When we come back, we'll talk
about Donald Trump dismantling the bureaucracy. That's all coming up
right here. Great to have you with us on a
Monday afternoon and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k Nlright, stay off social media, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Know, really I can't. I know I should, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
You're on it right now.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I am because I was looking for the name of
our our song is like what clueless, clueless and this?
I know the song clueless and dramatic, Clueless and dramatic.
That was like, that's who I was texting with all weekend.
Is the is the basically the bumper music dramatic guy,
the clueless and dramatic.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
All right, all right, welcome back to the show. A
lot going on, of course. A reminder, of course, tomorrow
night the President will be addressing Congress. I wonder why
they aren't calling it the state of the Union. You
just want to change something.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
You're nineteen eighty eight, Tom Cruise, Dustin Hoffman, rain Man.
I don't like to change. I just like it the
same way. They can't call it state of the Union.
You know, don't get it. Don't swappner at for underwear
from Kmart. Only fly on quantus and give me a
state of.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
The Union Union. Yeah, well, it'll be an address to
Congress tomorrow night. We'll have a preview starting at six
o'clock in the live coverage of the President's Mark seven
right here on Talk Radio one h five nine can arrest. Well,
there is no doubt that Donald Trump is moving forward
in his effort to dismantle the unaccountable bureaucracy. What a
task that is, and that's why we want to bring

(10:57):
on our next guest, Susan Shelley. Susan the Great Friend,
columnist with a southern California news group. Susan, how are
you welcome back to the Roden greg Show. Great to
be with you, Susan.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
Thank you. Great to be with you too, Thanks for having.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Me, Susan.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
How big of a task is this man facing? I mean,
they're doing the best they can right now, but this
is a monster out there.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
This is just amazing. What he is doing is actually
reversing some things that have happened since the nineteen thirties.
And I don't think anybody alive today can grasp the
scale of what he's attempting here because we've all just
been living in this. It's like being surrounded by water.
Asking a fish, what it thinks of it? What else
does it know? All we know is big government, and

(11:40):
he is taking us to a place where the voters
are going to be in charge of the government again.
And the way he's doing that is he's going after
these independent agencies that are created by Congress, and they're
in then't answer to the executive they don't answer to Congress,
they don't answer to anybody. They have these independent boards

(12:01):
of commissioners who are appointed for these various length terms
six seven years, something like that, and then no one
can tell them anything. Even if the voters throw out
the existing administration and say we want to change in policy,
these agencies are immune. So how did this happen. It
happened in a nineteen thirty five decision when Franklin Roosevelt

(12:23):
wanted to fire someone who wasn't on board with the
new Deal, and he was told he couldn't. He couldn't
because this was an independent agency, the FTC, the Federal
Trade Commission, and he couldn't fire for policy. Since then,
Chris has created multiple agencies. So what Trump is doing

(12:44):
is he's using Roosevelt's exact playbook, down to the language
of the termination letter, and he's terminating selectively people in
all these independent agencies. They're all suing. It's all going
to go to the Supreme Court. And if you look closely,
the Supreme Court has already hinted very strongly that they
want to overturn that nineteen thirty five decision. So the

(13:07):
significance is the president will be able to fire people
who are not aligned with the policy that the American
people elected.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Very significant, Susan. You brought up the court the role
of our courts, and it is frustrating to me although
it is a pace that I've never seen before. It's
like a gatling gun of change in course correction, and
it's so much fun to see this kind of momentum
and enthusiasm. But the courts are slowing it down. We
have a lower courts that are stopping the president from

(13:34):
moving forward. How long do you imagine it's going to
take to get this finally resolved? A lot of these
issues resolved in the Supreme Court, I mean they have
to take them onesie twosies or can they Is there
an overall decision that will clear a lot of these
case under these other cases that are below, How when
does this happen. When does he get the green light?
Is what I'm asking.

Speaker 8 (13:55):
The Supreme Court can do whatever it wants. It doesn't
even have to take this. But I think he's teeing
it up and that they want to dig this space.
But there are many fire for probationary employees. There's a
lawsuit over that he stopped the USAID Workforce from giving
away our money to these crazy things. There's a lawsuit

(14:17):
over that, and they've landed in all these different federal courts,
and these federal judges have put in temporary restraining orders
to stop the president's policy from going forward. But if
you think about the separation of powers, you can't really
have a situation where one federal judge can do a
temporary restraining order and stop the administration that the American
people elected. That just can't be. So that's going to

(14:39):
go to the Supreme courts, I'm quite sure.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So there's another question for you. We're having a little
difficult with the phone connection. Hopefully I'll hang on here
for a few more minutes, Susan, Where did we develop
this idea in this country that federal employees and federal
commissions are almost untouchable and you can't do anything with them.

Speaker 8 (14:57):
Well, that came from this nineteen thirty five decision, which
is called Humphrey's Executor versus United States. No one's ever
heard of it, But what happened is this guy Humphrey,
William Humphrey wouldn't resign when FDR asked him to, and
he was terminated, and he filed a lawsuit, and then
he had a different kind of terminations. So now it's
Humphrey's Executor suing the government for the salary he would

(15:21):
have been paid. And that set this tone that no
one can fire these agency heads, and the agencies just
became more and more powerful, and now you're in a
situation where the Environmental Protection Agency or the Federal Election
Commission or the National Labor Relations Board can do things
to people and there's no recourse. They can tell you

(15:42):
that the pond in your backyard is actually a wetlands
for migratory birds and you're not allowed to build on
your property. Things like that, and no, they're answerable to
no one.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, I just I'm waiting for this to come. I
didn't know the historical perspective I really appreciate. I didn't
know it's so long standing since FDR, and I'm looking
forward to seeing that finally overcome. Does it go beyond
the president President Trump's administration. Does this just kind of
pendulum back to a bureaucracy again, or is this a

(16:18):
or do you see a trajectory here that's long standing.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
I think this will be long standing because the growth
of the federal government has sort of tracked with the
Cold War, it tracked with different economic crises that we've had.
But there has to be a reason for the government
to expand like crazy. And one reason it expands, of course,
is because the taxes are so high, and because of
the income tax being just withheld from everybody's check, so

(16:43):
they don't think it's their money, but it is their money.
And if President Trump makes it clear that he would
rather have tariffs and an income tax, that's a very
attractive proposition. If you can make that work, that would
starve the bureaucracy, that would be very long standing.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
That would be interesting. Susan has always great having me
on the show. Thank you for your.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
Time, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Thank you all.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Right on our newsmaker line, Susan Shelley columnent's with the
Southern California News Group. Quick follow up, Greg, You know,
we had a lot of calls on Friday about the
announcement by the governor and legislative leaders to give parent
our teachers a fourteen hundred dollars raise and a one
thousand dollars bonus to staff. Right. Well, and we put
up a poll there asking people what they think about it.

(17:27):
Sixty percent of those respondents said no, they don't need
a raise, they have enough right now, and thirty nine
percent said yes, pay the teachers.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, you know, we had a robust debate. We had
some great callers on Friday, and yeah, that's and that
was a high turnout in the vote too, not just
that percentage, but the number of voters at vote. So
thanks for just paying that poll. It gives us a
good read.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
All right, more coming up on The Rotten Great Show,
the Monday afternoon edition right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Knrs Lady and Jentleen.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
What you need to know is that Rodarqutt, you may
as well send carrier pigeons to communicyro because a man
doesn't look at a text we have then forbid, I
was ever in trouble and I need to reach out
to him. He wouldn't see it.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
That's when my family said, you never look at your textead. No,
I don't know, I don't you don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
You like you just on your text All the smoke
signals would work better with you. I know I'm a
little over the top.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
You're addictive, but you know a lot because you're trying
to help people will have this addiction.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know, this is just can't we keep talking about
these kids? Talk about me? But you know I need
to bandon this building.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I challenge you one day to leave it in the car.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
It would be like a lobotomy. I couldn't do it.
I'd walk into walls. Yeah, but I will say that that.
I just I don't like when people come at me.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I just have to ride you back, all right, speaking
of coming at you, Yes, and we aren't trying to
hear this my happy place.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Actually, I love our listeners. They are the greatest people
on all the planet. What they do about their cell
phone addictions? I have to ask them a little bit
later on.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Congressman Blake Moore represents Utah's first congressional districts, apparently held
the town hall meeting and said he is frustrated with
the way that DOGE is treating federal workers.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, I don't concur.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
You don't neither do I Neither do I. And that
raises a question. Greg and I thought we'd take a
few phone calls on this on a Monday afternoon. I
mean someone pointed out the other day. I mean, get this,
even if one hundred thousand federal workers lost their jobs,
that's a four percent haircut for the overall size of government.

(19:37):
So the question is, you know you've got the media going,
you know, sixty minutes a week or two ago, did
this big expose on these government employees who've lost their job?
And how difficult it is. Selena Gomez who or Selena
and Selena Gomez, Selena Zito we tried to get on
the show. Wrote a great article last week about where
was the media when the rust belt went down?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Right? I mean a couple was it a week ago
that the Starbucks let seventeen percent of their executive staff?
Go is Blake more worried about how executive staff? You know,
when they're cost cutting, they cut seven percent of their
executive staff just as a cost cost cutting measure. Where's
the weeping and whaling? And we should dream better?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yes, we should. Well, when a private business is struggling
and operating inefficiently, what do they do? They have to
make some changes.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Their stock goes up when they do it. Yeah, when
the lasts come, stock press goes up.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
The workforce has to be trimmed. So I want to
ask our listeners tonight eight eight eight five seven O
eights zer a one zero eight eight eight five seven
o eights zer a one zero. Should federal workers be
treated differently than private sector workers when it comes to
trimming the budgets because a lot of people think they should.
I don't know what they expect, but I've been through.

(20:53):
I've been on both sides of the fence on this
greg Or. I've had people walk in the office say
we've made some tough decisions. We're going to have to
let you go to get with HR and they'll explain
everything right. And I've been on the other side where
people have looked at me and said, we've made some
tough decisions and guess what you've got to go. Neither
one of those situations is comfortable. Has to be done.

(21:14):
So why are federal government employees being treated so differently.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, it's it's it's actually, it is such a it's
a double standard, if anything. I find if you're a
public servant and whether you're elected or whether you're an employee,
there's more expected of you, and it's a it's a
tougher job and and traditionally it hasn't had the market pay,
but there have been benefits that come along with that.
But you're not You're not above anybody in this country.

(21:40):
You're not above being asked what you're doing with your week.
You're not above uh, you know the layoffs that that
businesses experience all the time. So I think that it's
to think that the government workers are somehow superior to
the rest of us in terms of how we're all
generally treated. Yeah, I would not I would not agree

(22:01):
with that.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
No, all right, So the question before you tonight is
should government workers be degreated differently than private sector workers
when it comes to making the budgets work? Eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial
pound two fifty and say hey, we got a lot
of calls coming in on this one. Great good because
people want away in. Let's go right to the phones.

(22:22):
Let's go to Bill in Clinton. Bill, welcome to the
Roden Greg Show. What say you on this? Bill?

Speaker 9 (22:29):
I am all four doze. I'm a federal employee, have been.
I did thirty years in the military, got out for
seven years and came back to federal employment. And I
think this is way overdue.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Are you work on hill?

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Are you worried about losing your job at all? Bill?

Speaker 9 (22:50):
Marginally, But I'm not one of those people who didn't
come into the office.

Speaker 10 (22:55):
I haven't missed today.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I love it.

Speaker 11 (22:58):
This whole thing started.

Speaker 9 (22:59):
I I don't plumber, so I come in and I
work for a living. So you know what if I
if I lose my job here, there's plenty other places
I can go.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
All right, Well, that right right there, that is that
is the that is the north Star. That is right there.
That is that is beautiful. I love it. Yeah, it's like,
bring it on. I'm ready to get scrutinized. I'm it's
about time. The rest of those. Let's go to chort
Let's go to Charlie and Orum. Charlie, thank you for
calling the Rod and Greg Show. Government employees should they
be treated better or different than every day workers in America.

Speaker 12 (23:32):
I would argue that they have been treated differently for
the past you know, four to eight years, given the
whole COVID situation.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I mean, they don't have to show up.

Speaker 12 (23:39):
To work, they work remotely, they make ridiculously large salaries,
they don't have to particularly accurately your account for their time,
and uh, you know in any standard business on the street.

Speaker 13 (23:52):
You know, that's that's the death now.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
So now I think.

Speaker 12 (23:56):
They've been treated differently for way too long. They need
to be treated just like the rest of us. Be
accountable and show up to work.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, it's not easy to be accountable and show up
to work, Greg, And they have been treated differently.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
He's exactly right, spots, and it's why they're so outraged
now because how dare you?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Dare you?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Since twenty twenty, we haven't had the account for a
single day.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Another thing. Let's go to Greg in leyton tonight here,
want's to weigh in on this. Hi, Greg, how are you?

Speaker 14 (24:22):
I'm doing good?

Speaker 15 (24:23):
Rod?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
And Greg?

Speaker 16 (24:23):
How you both doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
We're doing well?

Speaker 16 (24:25):
Thank you, Thank you so Greg.

Speaker 14 (24:29):
Great name.

Speaker 16 (24:30):
But I'll start out I am actually a government employee.
I chose the resignation option. I'm still going to work
even though we were supposed to be resigned by the
twenty eighth I've spent over thirty years in the government,
twenty of them in the military, a little over ten
as the civil servant, and there's fraud, waste, and abuse everywhere.
And in my opinion, the government employees should be treated

(24:53):
differently in this sense of they need to be scrutinized
more and we need to be able to get rid
of them for lack of performance and keep the ones
that are performing.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
This music to my ears, real serious adults that know
their job and they know they see it out there.
I thank you Greg for calling it is a good name,
by the way, But really I am just so glad
to hear from federal workers who are really saying I'm
ready to I'm ready for the PEPSI challenge. Let's go,
I'm ready, let's do this. I love that.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah. Well, we have about thirty three thousand here in
the state of Utah. Now we've mentioned I think the
average government employee, Greg makes one hundred and thirty three
thousand dollars a year. Okay, and the people are listening
now are probably left going, I don't make that much
money a year. That's generally around the country. Here in Utah,
federal pay is a little bit lower than it is nationally.
Kind of interesting as well. All right, more of your

(25:44):
calls and comments coming down. Should government employees be treated
differently than workers in the private sector? Eight eight eight
five seven oh eight zero one zero triple eight five
seven eight zero one zero give us call now, all right,
back to the phones as we go, as we get
your comments on the treatment of federal employees versus or
government employees in general versus private sector employees. Should they

(26:06):
be treated differently? Greg is in Dwilla wants to weigh
in on this one tonight. Greg, how are you thanks
for joining us.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I'm good love the show.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (26:15):
Nobody threw a fit when they when they shut the
Keystone pipeline down, just told everybody go get the new job.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
How true is that?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Oh, Greg, you were spawning. It was Jen Pazaki's who said, well,
just go get a green job. There weren't any green
jobs to go get.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
They don't care. There was no we should treat them nicer.
There is no talk like this, you know, I think
this show lest Greg from Layton, Now, Greg from told
This is the team Greg and Rod Show. This is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, good, Thank you for the call, right Greg, thank you.
Back to the phones. Let's go to Lane in Cottonwood
Heights tonight here on the Rod In Greg Show. Lane,
how are you? Thanks for calling in.

Speaker 18 (26:54):
I'm doing great. Thanks for taking my call. My point
is that companies in the private sector have to pivot
all the time, so it is a little distance genuine
to assume that all of these federal workers are part
of the fraud waste and uh and so forth. I
think they just need to say, Hey, the federal government,

(27:15):
our agency is having to pivot, and this is a
painful decision, and we got to move forward. Your position
is being eliminated. Uh and And maybe that just istoft
cuddling it a little bit, but I think that's actually
probably more accurate in a lot of cases. Sure, there's
a lot of fraud waste in the federal government, but
a lot of this is going to be just no,

(27:37):
we're just not going to do that anymore. We are
not going to provide that service anymore, because that's not
the federal government's job.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
You're here Bingo, Bingo, Lan, thank thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Coming up to the break of urry. You have time
for Dakota, Dakota and to go to thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Roden Greg Show.

Speaker 18 (27:55):
Hey guys, well you're having a good day.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
We are, thank you.

Speaker 18 (27:59):
I just want to chime in and I have worked
in management for a couple of companies. I've been downsize
a couple of times. Yes, it sucks, but.

Speaker 17 (28:10):
Every week I had to report what I did as
well as account for what.

Speaker 18 (28:16):
The people under me did.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh the horn the man worked for us.

Speaker 11 (28:22):
Yeah, so we should be getting a week report.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
What did you do?

Speaker 18 (28:27):
What was your plan for next week?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Here?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Here, here, here to go to your right.

Speaker 11 (28:32):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
And they forget this, Greg, the politicians, the government workers
forget one thing. They worked for us.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, they don't know the bosses do they should? The
American people for the federal worker. We're nicer. What are
you talking about? We're we're in We got thirty six
trillion dollars in debt, two trillion a year. We're stacking
up er printing money. What where did this come from?
I mean, who's buying into this?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
All right, listener, as I can tell you that not
our listeners.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
No, they under if you know, everyone says, well, government
is not a business. I believe it is. You have
to at least, you know, meet your obligations and don't
exceed those obligations or don't exceed what is taking place
in the government today. How many stupid, idiotic programs do
we have out there that the American people don't know
about and don't care about.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, and when government, when they fail, they know what
to tell you. They don't cut the program. They say, well,
what needs more money?

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, go lobby Congress and see. All right, appreciate your
phone calls. All right, when we come back at the
top of the hour, hour number two, another debate, and
this one I think mister Hughes and I are going
to disagree on this one or yeah, or you got
to hang around for this.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You're really usually pretty good agreeing with you, yes, rarely.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
All right, Now we're number two, Rod and Greg coming
your way, joy the ride home to stay with us,
coming down. I'm really picking on you today, aren't I.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
No, I'm fine, I'm fine. There's nothing compared to the abuse.
I well, I don't actually want to restate it in
case Queen Be's listening. She was very patient with me.
I have to say, but she'd had it. I'm telling
you she'd had it with my.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
And the phone, and you're hitting the phone all weekend
telling you, I mean, your kids even have to say
they ordered takeout, I know, and you said I'll go
get it, and then you didn't go get They said, Dad,
we said this in the foot Why you have to
bring it up in the second album. I just want
to keep our audience.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Up to speed speed. Yeah, well, trapped in his phone,
I'll tell you. I just you know, I'm not a
public servant anymore, so I don't have to suffer fools
lightly any longer. That's true, Okay, so I can be
a little bit. And actually, if you look at my stuff,
I'm I don't think I'm I don't think I'm overly rude,
you're nuts. Other than when people say, you know acted

(30:50):
like you know when Zelenski walked into that Oval office,
you know they were there to negotiate deal. I said, no, no,
it's not. It's not like a gender reveal party and
the confetti blows up and you get to read what's
the nature of the deal on the on the confetti.
It's not like that. There's been hours and hours and
hours of red lines and drafts and negotiations and compromise
for you walk in that room.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
All right, all right, uh yeah, we'll get now we' venners.
And I think you and I disagree on this one.
I can't wait to see what the audience, our great
listeners have to say about this one.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I forgot you liked this one.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
A Utah lawmaker is proposing proposing a red light camera
pilot program. Now what he is proposing is a red
light not like a speedcam. What the photo traffic It's
not like photo cups lights traffic cop it is, but
it's at red lights. Because we have had these accidents
all the time where people are running red lights. So

(31:44):
when he's stepping up and he's trying to do something, would.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
You like these cameras on a deer crossing sign? I mean,
what do you mean? It said a red light? I
mean where else would they be? That's where they all go.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Red light camera. So let's talk with the sponsor of
the bill. First of all, it is stable. You better
be uh Jake fittessimnu Jake thanks for joining us tonight.
Tell us about this bill and what exactly it would do.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
I'm introducing this because this is definitely an issue that
impacts folks throughout the state. It's something that isn't just
an emotional one for victims and for those who have
been impacted, but when we look at the data and
the numbers from the Department of Transportation and Highway Patrol,
we know that this is an issue we need to
take care of.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Representative, It's an interesting concept how many So if you
have a pilot, how many cameras would you anticipate in
your work with Department Transportation and Public Safety? How many
of the how many red light intersections would the pilot include.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
I'm proposing up to ten, and these would be on
our state roads and looking we already have data on
crashes and fatalities, so we can take a look at
up to ten of the most violated I guess you
could say intersections, and these range throughout the loss at
front from Davis County to Utah County are kind of
our hot spots, and it would give us a year

(33:08):
to actually study this issue. I'm not proposing anything heavy
handed or anything that would be implemented immediately. We need information,
We need data to make these decisions and to do
a good job of making the decisions. And that's really
what this is about.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Representative in your research into this, how big of a
problem is this here in the state of Utah, people
running red lights?

Speaker 5 (33:30):
It's to quote the chief of police from West Valley City,
rampant is the word that I hear from them. The
data from the Department of Transportation shows even if we
look at the last five years, there are some intersections
where we have an average of over twelve meaning almost
one a month if you look at just the average

(33:52):
for every year over the past five years, and any
avoidable crash obviously is one too many. If we have,
you know, multiple intersections where we have averages like that
throughout the state, that's definitely something that's going to raise eyebrows.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
So is this something that's gotten worse over time? There
used to be a time where photocop put fixing like
not in a pilot program, but just generally there was
some hesitation or opposition legislature. But this does seem to
be a growing problem. What have you heard in terms
of people running these red lights? And has it gotten
measurably worse over the years.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I can't actually tell you whether or not it's gotten worse,
whether it's grown with the proportion as our population has grown,
whether it's more prevalent in communities that are here that
weren't here ten or fifteen years ago, because we just
don't have that data. And so that's what this study
is really trying to figure out, not just how many
crashes and how many fatalities are we looking at every year,

(34:57):
but how frequently people are doing this, How fast are
they going through when they are running a red light?
You know, how what times are the day or certain
days of the week, like those are the kind of
information that I want our legislature to know so that
we have enough info to make decisions about whether or
not this is an issue. If it's not an issue,
and we're just out here exaggerating, believe me, I'll be

(35:19):
the first one to drop it. But if it is
an issue and we have data that shows it, then
we should be accountable to our folks here in the
state and at least take a stab at trying to help.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
How would the process work. Let's say I'm driving through
and I run one of those red lights and get
caught on a red light camera. What happens next, Representative.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
It's a great question, and I'll take it even a
step before that, which is, this isn't a gotcha kind
of program. We're not trying to just start throwing out
tickets willy nilly. It starts actually with a public education campaign.
And so we will have very visible signage at any
of these intersections to let folks know that, hey, these
cameras are going to be turned on, and you know,

(36:00):
there will be some technology assisted enforcement and not just
signs at the intersections. But we're working to find ways
to actually do a campaign to let folks know that, hey,
this is happening. We're collecting data. Should you or I
run through one of these red lights unlawfully, it's already unlawful,
we know that. But we get picked up by a camera,

(36:21):
it would be facing the rear of the car. We
don't require, you know, front license plates here in the state,
and we're not interested in taking pictures of people's faces
or occupants of the vehicles for privacy reasons. So we
get nabbed, the registered vehicle owner would receive unnoticed in
the mail. It would be a warning but it's not
even you know, a fee or anything like that. Really

(36:43):
just let folks know that, hey, you got nabbed, this
is unlawful behavior. We hope you'd keep that in consideration.
During the study period, that's really all that's happening. As
we go into implementation phase, it does wrap up a
little bit to where if you've already been warned and
you've already violated before and you continue to do that behavior,

(37:05):
at that point we can start issuing. A local police
can deem whether or not it's appropriate to deem a
minor a minor fine that would not hit your driver's
license points. It's a civil, civil infraction, so it wouldn't
you know, go involve your insurance and that type of thing.
But it does give law enforcement a little bit of
a tool UH to see that, and then at the

(37:27):
end of that year, we can use that as a
deterrent the before and the after and whether or not
that was actually good at deterring people and changing behavior.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
So would the would the fine be part of the
pilot itself or if if the data collected UH was
was implemented going further, that's where the fines would would
would come about.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
That's correct, not just in that baseline study phase, but after,
I mean your first time throughout that year of the
pilot study, your first time violation would always be a warning,
because again we're not just trying to catch people in
the act, and so throughout the entire as it's written
in the bill, you would always get a warning first.

(38:14):
And it's just those repeat offenders who continue to do
that who would at that point law enforcement could use
their discretion to see if that's eligible for a fine.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
So fiscal note says ABOT one hundred and thirty dollars
or seventy eight. I'm not fought tracking it close enough,
but I see the fine amount. Let me ask you,
this representative, Let's say that the data shows that we
do have an issue and it needs to be addressed.
Is it just assumed that the way this would be
addressed are more cameras on red lights? Or would there
just were Would it just give you the data you

(38:46):
need to come up with maybe a different strategy.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
I definitely don't feel like it's within our purview to
tell law enforcement agencies or the Highway Patrol or the
Department of Transportation the best ways to monitor and to
keep our road safe. They are the experts in that field.
What I really want to do is exactly what you said,
is to provide the empirical data for them to be
able to make those decisions. And should those end up

(39:13):
being statewide legislative decisions, I'm happy to work on that
when we cross that bridge, but if not, this should
be a tool for every local police department and for
Utah Highway Patrol to look at solutions and some better
ways to do this going forward.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
On our Newsbacker Lions Dave Representative Jake Fittessimano Representative Fatessimano,
thank you very much for joining us. You, Greg said
this is so late in the legislative session that it
probably doesn't have a chance.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
You don't, you know, there's I think tomorrow is the
last day of committees. Today's the last week. Tomorrow's last
day of committees, and I checked the status earlier before
the show started and it was not assigned to a committee.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, okay, but can we talk about this idea because
you and I actually have different opinions. Yeah, surprise, surprise.
My wife shared a story the other day. All right,
this was at a four ways stop, by the way.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
You're trying and pit me against the rodeo queen, which
is a very unfair premise.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, oh, she doesn't like anyways, but she is going.
She's had a four way stop. Four cars were there,
each of them doing it the way they should and
the car to her right went through fine, but another
guy came barreling through right behind him and almost nailed her. Wow,

(40:30):
you know, And she said, this was a four way stop.
Why not try this program? And why not cut down
on this Mike your camil and it'll be it'll be
stay wide. But you listen to people out there and
the time, I mean, look at the accidents and when
you're running a stop light, you aren't going five miles

(40:51):
an hour. I mean you're you're clipping along and when
you hit another vehicle, you t bone somebody. You know,
it could cause a fatality. And if there's anything we
can do here, what hurts with doing a program like
this and tried it?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I I that you know, good information drives good decisions.
I'm all for data. What I what I would regret
is that these would stay, this pilot would just these
cameras would stay. They would be on every red light,
and then you're going to get a revenue stream that
also h for registration being expired for all kinds of
different things.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I think you can you legislatively limit it to maybe.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Once you start with with the photocop.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
And I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I'm telling you Thatto gravy train is just too delicious.
It has too much, It is too it will enrich
every one of those public safety departments. So you don't
like it, Let's keep policy mail. Let's just keep an
email or something. You're gonna have it. No, I don't see,
I'm not I'm not advocating. We need a smart mouth

(41:55):
to take a look at we need, we need data.
I just worry that this weight to collect data is
actually a way to just introduce photocop everywhere.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
I don't think they are talking about introducing photo cop.
They're talking about red light district.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Well, red light Yeah, I don't know what you're this
is a family show, rods. I understand it. I think
that the sponsor, the representative does not have any intention
of seeing that, you.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Know, going out further. Yeah, just don't trust.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I just think that once you've got those cameras in
and once they do it, because they do, they don't
find on the first offense, but they will find you
if you do it. It's the same card. Does it twice?
I don't know. I think that that would argue for
more of those once they see the data that there's
people running red lights. I would just like them to,
you know, do those kind of patrols, saturation patrols where

(42:44):
they get people for it and people are more. They
used to do it. Look Sandy had a row one
hundred and six South used to do Sandy. It used
to be a real wide road, so naturally speed when
you shouldn't. All you have to do is go through
a few, you know, they start patrolling that road, and
all of a sudden you remember, you're gonna get a
take if you you remember. And I think there's ways
to do it.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I just without a camera, why just without our technology.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, I don't like photo cup. I don't like photo cup.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
That's where I'm well, let's see what our listeners have
to say. Why don't get in a sense they're going
to agree with you.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
If they love freedom and you know and not big brother,
or if they're with you and they want, you know,
big brother.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I'm asking for big brother. I'm asking for a little
bit of sanity and safety.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
You know, nineteen eighty four. It's not just a year,
it's a book.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, I've read it.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
You know, you might you might might like these cameras everywhere.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Eight eight eight five seven o eight. We have them,
We're everywhere already. Eight eight eight five seven o eight
zero one zero. Do you like the idea of a
red light camera pilot program? And I'd like to hear
your stories about people running red lights in front of you.
It is a scary situation.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
It is a problem. I do acknowledge that.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Well, yeah, and we're trying to find a solution. You
go just to do don't do anything at all. I'm
not saying at all, Yes it is. You're saying that's
your solution.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Words my mouth, all right, more your anti freedom to
a police state.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. We'll
get to your calls and comments coming up on The
Rotten Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Talk Radio one o five nine can rs everywhere on
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Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I feel good about it.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
We do.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
If you're just joining us right now, we're taking your
thoughts on this program being proposed by a Utah state lawmaker.
It is a red light camera pilot program. More and
more I hear stories all the time of people running
red lights and nearly losing their lives, and we just
want to get your thoughts. Craig and I disagree with
this surprise surprise on the side of freedom. You know,

(44:50):
I kind of support this idea. Let's try it out,
see what happens. If it does prove to be a safer,
an alternative or what's the word I'm looking for? Communist no, no, no,
to discourage people from running red lights, that's what we're
looking for. We want europigion eight eight eight five seven
o eight or a one zero. Let's go to the phones. Great,

(45:12):
who's on?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Let's go to Richard and Magna. Richard, thank you for holding.
Welcome to the Running Gregg Show. What's say you, sir?

Speaker 14 (45:19):
Hey guys, good to talk to you again. I consider
this government intrusion and overreach. Once they get those cameras
out there, they're never going to step back. It just
gets you know, rolled out more and more. But these
intersections that they're looking at, I would be curious to

(45:41):
know which ones they are have in trouble with. Like
I'm not Banger, but a mountain view cor Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
There.

Speaker 14 (45:53):
They have early signal lights on some of these intersections,
and I'm wondering if that would help.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
You know, they do that on Banger on some searches.
You know, that's that's a point it is. There are
other ideas out there other than you know.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Why not try both. Let's go to Carl in provo,
Carl Bailous out on this one. What do you.

Speaker 11 (46:15):
Say, Hey, Greg, you need to get on the right
side of the situation.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Man, Thank you, thank you, Carl.

Speaker 11 (46:22):
It there needs to be two kinds they need to
analyze it though. If it's a minor infraction where they
just didn't time the yellow light right and they went through,
and give them a little warning. But if it's something
major where they see that red light and they know
Blatanney they're going through it, I'm sorry, man, they put
that person in jail.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I don't mind. You dropped And I wanted to ask
him a question well as well. My question is do
you think that's where they'd stop, Like if if it was,
if they could just get if they could take it
as a pilot and get good data, if they used
it for these very very dangerous limited ways, for dangerous
dangerous inner sections and things like that. Great, I just
don't think they have the self restraint to do that.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
And clearly define what it can be used for.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, I just don't think they will.

Speaker 16 (47:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
I call it the camel's nose under the.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I've heard that a million times.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Jerome and lighton, who's been patiently waiting, Jerome, Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show, sir, Oh good a canoon.

Speaker 13 (47:21):
I've seen this before in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
How to work.

Speaker 13 (47:27):
Well, a lot of rear inclasions.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
See you like that, Rod? You forget about that Rod?

Speaker 13 (47:33):
Huh because because the yellow comes on and they are
scared to death, on goes the binders crash.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Oh.

Speaker 13 (47:41):
Now we have these yellow flashing lights, uh about one
hundred yards or so part of the intersection. They really work.
I love them.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah. One of our other colors said that.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Another color did say that, Boy, we have got a
lot of people weighing in on this one. We need
to get your freedom.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Love and people all on your side.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
If they're smart, freedom loving, they're on your side.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know what you said it I didn't ye, that's
what we have. Time to keep going.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
No, no, we've got to take a break and then
we'll come back. Hang on, folks, a lot of people
hold on five seven eight zero one zero eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero. Give us call
now getting your phone calls on this proposal by one
Utah lawmaker of a red light camera pilot program because
of the number of people running red lights here in

(48:28):
the state of Utah. Greg and I disagree with this one. Well,
I think it's worth a try. He, of course, is
stuck his head.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I'm just of freedom and I don't like the I
don't like the you know, the police state. So let's
go to Buster in Utah. Thank you for holding first off,
And what say you about this, this pilot program of
cameras on the on the stop lights, red lights.

Speaker 19 (48:56):
Hey guys, good to talk to you. I would say
I was with Rod about ten years ago, and then
this thing called agent wisdom kind of started kicking in.
So I'm more aligned with Greg because I now tell

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my adult children whenever you hear the phrase in the
interest of safety, comma, or in the interest of fighting crime, Comma.
What's about to follow is somebody doing one of a
thousand cuts against your freedom. And I could tell you
in the airplane business, having little airplanes. The FAA in

(49:41):
twenty twenty said, all you guys need to put these
tracking gizmos on your airplanes for safety. We can better
deconflict airspace. And we said, wait a minute, you're going
to use it for other reasons, and no, no, it's
only for that. That's what the law allows for. Well,
guess what now they're tracking us and taxing us and

(50:02):
watching where we're registering airplanes and what states by the
number of days they spent in the state, or the
number of days they spent in a county airport or
a different airport. And so it's that creep that Greg
talks about. I now at an older age, or an
older age more wise, I now say New Hampshire's got

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it right, free or die.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
A man?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Can I get a witness from the congregation?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I bet? I bet, I'm older and buster. But it
doesn't realize that.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Maybe not Maybe Karen Waiting just stick it in a
little bit deeper. I'm Karen from Salt Lake City. Thank
you for holding and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
What say you?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Karen?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Hi?

Speaker 20 (50:51):
Guys, Hey, I have a couple of things to say.
I think the the cameras on the areas that they
know or areas of running red lights is a waste
of taxpayer.

Speaker 21 (51:03):
Money to do a study.

Speaker 20 (51:04):
If they already know this, why can't they prosecute and
find the people that are running the red lights and
let the money they spend on a study be used
to hire more police officers. The other thing I want
to say is in Utah, our light and our red
light loss is that if you run a red light

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or you run a yellow light. And this happened to
me personally, so I'm a little angry about it. I
turned left on a yellow light that was almost red,
like within a second, and I saw the guy way
down the road like at least two hundred and fifty
yards when the light turned red, and he hit me

(51:49):
so hard it flew my car around.

Speaker 13 (51:52):
I ended up about one hundred.

Speaker 21 (51:54):
And fifty feet up the road that I couldn't even
turn my car off, the engine, the keys and the engine.
He had impacted me so hard I couldn't get the
keys out of the car, but I got the ticket.
Nothing happened to that guy. So I just think our
laws are already in place. We don't need the photocop.

(52:16):
You can't send a ticket to somebody because their.

Speaker 12 (52:18):
Car ran a red light.

Speaker 20 (52:20):
You have to prove they were driving it, which they've
tried that before and it's never worked.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Didn't work, all right, Karen, thank you. Let's go back
to the phones. Let's talk with Luke in Bringham, Brigham tonight. Louke,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 22 (52:34):
Hey, guys, Hey, I echo what Karen just said. I
tend to side with Greg on this. As far as
issuing tickets to the mail, I think it is a
cash cow because what's going to happen is people are
gonna end up paying just because they're the registered owner.
But it doesn't even solve the problem because you're not
ticketing the person that was driving. I could have let
a friend drive. I got teenagers that have drive my

(52:56):
car that's registered to my name. If they run a
red light, you're gonna taket me for that, so it
doesn't actually solve the problem. I'm all for keeping the
streets safe, but issuing tickets through the mail, I think
is a joke and ridiculous. I know Arizona has tried
it before, and I was told by a copp in
Arizona that he happened to be my brother in law.
Brother in law, and I think we got a ticket

(53:16):
for speeding or something, and he said, don't send it in.
Don't send in the money, because what you're doing is
you're admitting that you're guilty of it, that you're the
one driving, and then it becomes legal. But if you
just ignore it, they can't come after you for it
because they don't know if you were driving, They don't
know who was driving.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
So yeah, I got a red light ticket in Scottsdale, Arizona,
years ago, and they they sent me, you know, about
a month later, I get this night's letter and it
included a picture with my big, old, fat smiling face
behind the wheel driving through a red light. So they
got me.

Speaker 22 (53:56):
Yeah, but well they still have to id you and
know that it was actually you. It could have been
a twin brother, it could have been any I.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Agree with you, and pilot only is only capturing the
back of those cars anyway, by the way, we have
a pull on our X page. Yes, we do at
Rod and Greg show. So far, it's just we don't
have it as many. We need more votes because right
now it's one hundred percent. No, not bet, but it's
it's a small number of votes. So if you're if
you if you have actually you have the if you

(54:24):
have the if you're on if you have an X app,
and go to the page and vote. I want to
see the votes come up, see if we can not
get Rod votes. But you know, one hundred percent of
zero is kind of embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I'd like you, yeah, you'd love it. All right, let's
take a break and then we'll come back with more
your phone calls. It is the show here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
K n R S.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I'm citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
It's telling me something that I've had one caller support
my idea.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, Carl from Provo you said, thank you, Carl. I
think that's your loan. But by the way, we have
over one hundred percent voter tribe.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You can't just have.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah. Well, if there was yeah, you can is in
your favorite participation. I see you still have one hundred
percent to nothing wins. Yes, that's true on my side
or on the side of freedom, that's true and not
a police state. So let's go.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Let's go back to our calls. Let's go to Dave
in Cash Valley tonight. Dave, Welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (55:21):
Guys.

Speaker 17 (55:21):
I hope you're keeping a tally on this. I'm sorry
I have I have to go with Greg on this one.
Dave Patriot, when what one of your earlier callers, and
I know this is just a study, but you know
the study, it turns into the facto. Hey, we've got
the infrastructure, let's just go ahead with the program. And uh,

(55:43):
and everybody, I think most people around here familiar with
Arizona and you you talked about it yourself, right, you
know there was a celebrated case in Arizona where a
guy was driving around with a gorilla mascow.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
That's right, and.

Speaker 17 (55:56):
And and so what so what is the what does
the lawmakers do?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Then?

Speaker 17 (55:59):
Oh, well, let's make being with a mask illegal. You
know that it just keeps compounding on top of itself.
But one of your callers mentioned rear enders. There are
people that will hit the skids when they see a
yellow light. And some that will slow down when they
see a decaying green light.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 17 (56:17):
You have just slowed your traffic flow by quite a bit.
So yeah, it's it's it's not something. I I hate
to give the government the power of the surveillance state.
And you know, we started with the war on drugs
and now they track our cash transactions, and then we
gave them the Patriot Act, and you know, it's just,

(56:37):
you know, a layer upon layer of control and I
am not in favor of it.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Thank you for the call. Appreciate it. And Dave, I
I feel like the Patriot Act is what stung me
the most. I was I was a dupe. I got
duped into being okay with that at the time, and
now I have nothing. I was all for Patriot Act.
Now Gray, I rew the day. Let's go, we have time.

(57:02):
Let's go to David and Cedar Hills. David, welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show. Thank you for holding. What
say you, sir?

Speaker 23 (57:11):
What I say is that there's too many laws, laws
on books already, six laws turning into thousand, or ten
laws turning into thousands. Uh So my general statement would
be freedom.

Speaker 24 (57:24):
Ye William Wallace, you and and Greg are you are
Are you related to Howard?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I wish? How do I wish?

Speaker 5 (57:38):
Now?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I've been looking for that, that line, that family line,
but I can't find it anywhere.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
David.

Speaker 23 (57:45):
There was one other There was one other thing. When
I lived in Florida. There was a two guys that
picked up hitchhike and one time they were hippie religious types,
and they said, looking at these cops, they all have
their little signs on the side to their cars like
Alpine or American Fork or wherever. You know, they're all

(58:08):
just rolling around keeping everybody in their cage.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Wow, that's one way to look at it.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Oh wow. All right, back to the bones. Let's go
to bowling. Who is in Harriman's night here on the
Rod and Greg Show. Bowling, how are you? Thanks for joining?

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Good?

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 25 (58:24):
I'm going to chalk one up for the first one
of the night for Rod.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
You're actually number two. You actually I thank you for him.

Speaker 25 (58:33):
Okay, yeah, I appreciate it, number two. I'll go number two,
second to best.

Speaker 18 (58:38):
We'll take it.

Speaker 25 (58:39):
What you thought got Si Harreman. And it's a growing,
growing community out of Harriman, allowing young driver a lot
of young people on the roads, and I have two
young kids I'm quite frequently on the road with in
my car, and there's been multimately there. The road that
I live by has a traffic light and there's just
and it's right next to Harriman High School and there's
just keeenage just flying through that red light NonStop. And

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there's been multiple instances where it could have been pretty
bad if my wife and I have decided to go
a little bit earlier than when the green might go.
Is we usually decide to wait like two seconds when
the green turn the light turns green before we start going,
and kids are still flying through that light. And my
point is, when is it going to be too late?
It's usually too late when the kid either hits someone

(59:24):
or something bad happens, or they get caught by a.

Speaker 18 (59:27):
Cop, which is usually not really cops out there anyway.

Speaker 25 (59:30):
So I think holding people accountable before something bad happens
is my mindset behind it. I get the whole big
brother eyes. I want to work that, but also I don't.
I don't want a bad accident happening at least on
my end before something changes.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
See there's somebody with some common sense.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Oh, it's a different take. I think things are going
your way. You've got to you got your second color,
but you gotta single loan vote on the on the xpage.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Well, we're gonna go to more phone calls. We're don't
carry this over because we're getting a lot of returns. No, no,
but let me share a real quick story with you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
So hang on your line.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Folks, you've driven in Vegas. Yes, if you don't move
the second that light turns in Vegas, you get honked out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I don't recall that. I think you've made that up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Recall drive in Vegas. And those taxi drivers, man, if
you don't move in a second, they are going to
honk at Well, what I'm saying is when you're at
a red light and it changes, do you pause for
a second or you bust right through.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Look, you're combining problems. Nobody actually goes on the green
because they're all looking at their phone. So you're like,
that's the other problem we have. Don't nobody's actually going
because they're on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
See, this is one we actually agree on. I hate
the phones. All right, We're going to carry some of
these calls over. If you're on the line, stay with us.
You want to call back, You're more than welcome to.
We'll take a few more of your phone calls on
this debate over red light cameras coming up, and then
the President will speak to a joint session of Congress

(01:01:07):
tomorrow night at seven o'clock and you'll hear it all
live right here on talk radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Let's get back to the phones. Have had great response,
great response in commentary from our listeners. Let's go to
James in Midvale. James, thank you for holding sir. What
do you think about this pilot of photo you know,
cameras on the red lights?

Speaker 11 (01:01:30):
No, no, and no for all kinds of excuses. I've
heard all kinds of excuses. One thing that I haven't
heard is our judicial system is based on being able
to confront our accuser.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
How can you confront a camera?

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
That's true. That's one of the issues, Thank you, James.
That's one of the issues that during photocop and the
debate that they had years ago here you couldn't confront
your accuser and you should have a right to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And this discussion is born from the interview we had
in the five o'clock hour with the state representative who
has this red light pilot program he's proposing. Just a
detail of that is that they are going to look
the camera's going to take a picture from the back
because that is where you can see the driver's or
license plate. It is now optional to have a front
license plate, so it wouldn't be dependable, but it makes

(01:02:20):
it harder to see who's actually navigating the vehicles if
you take it from the back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
All right, back to the phones, let's go to Steve
here in Salt Lake City. Steve, we understand your retired
law enforcement officer. Is that correct? And if so, what
are some of your thoughts on this?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Yeah? Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Okay, ro we sure can go ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Okay, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:02:40):
My name is Steve greg.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Oh, Steve Debri, I sure do.

Speaker 22 (01:02:45):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Good? Brother?

Speaker 14 (01:02:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Good goodness? Hear you? Fall So Yeah, I'm retired law
enforcement also serving on a Soley County council fourteen years actually,
and I just driving home from working out and listen
to your show, and I've got several Well, first of all,
my first thought was is you know, what if an
intersection is problematic and a lot of the law enforcement

(01:03:09):
community gets a lot of complaints or they get data
on lots of crashes, they can up their enforcement with
that specific intersection. Not only that, they could put up
cameras you know, we have poll cams and everything else
and get data on the problems in the intersection and
then up their enforcement with officers there to pull people

(01:03:32):
over and issue citations for the red light violations. You know,
most traffic violations in the state of Utah are infractions,
which means that you can be fined, but you can't
serve jail time, unless, of course, you get into reckless
driving or EUIs and you get into the classic de
mission meters.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
And so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
So and the people that spoke earlier are correct as
far as you have to put the person behind control
of the wheel, and so, you know, the representative earlier
on greg when he said that it was a civil violation,
I think he said that that's incorrect. It's still criminal,
but it's a criminal infraction. And as far as the

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red lights go, the green or the the the yellow
means that it's going to turn red real quick. If
you enter the intersection on a yellow light, you're controlling
that intersection a yellow is just like a green. But
if you enter on the red, you're you're breaking the
law by running the red light. As far as the

(01:04:35):
left hand turn, the left hand turn goes, uh, you
have to yield. If you fail to yield left turn,
even though its cycles, you could be sighted. But the
other person can be sighted for the red light. And
then the insurance companies fight it out on who's most
contributed to the accident, who's at fault, you know, percentage
wise more than the other one. So I'm kind of

(01:04:56):
siding with Rod. I do agree with we need to
do something to protect our citizens. But local law enforcement
can enforce those laws with their data and with information
from pole cams or anything else, and then up their
enforcement with the officers on the scene, and it goes

(01:05:16):
without question critical match. You're going to have more violators.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Yeah, that's true. Well, Steve, thank you for citing with
the intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Nice he's actually with me, But he's just being nice
to you because he needs a poll cam. You know,
you don't even need this Representatives bill. He says, they
already got the ability to do it now because he
knows you incredibly. I know this man. He's very diplomatic.
He just doesn't want to hurt your feelings. Rod, Steve
is a gentleman that way, Steve, Steve appreciate former county councilates.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
All right, Steve, thank you. Back to the phones we go.
Let's talk with John in Salt Lake City tonight on
this John, Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 10 (01:05:54):
Hi you guys doing Thanks for having me on again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
You're happy.

Speaker 13 (01:05:59):
Hey, I'm going to go Greg.

Speaker 10 (01:06:00):
I'm going to bring up a point that we really
haven't touched on tonight. Every state that has tried this
that is not doing it now, it has found it's
extremely cost in effective. Yeah, you know, to put it
on every intersection that really needs it. So many people
were getting out of the tickets that you either raise
taxes if you're going to keep it going, or you

(01:06:21):
just stop, you know, And that's what they found, they
would they just stopped. It was extremely you know, not
cost effective.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yeah, it's true. And yeah, we have a caller that
asked the question, who what company is going to actually
get these cameras, Who's going to control the information, Who
controls the car registration information that's that's collected from these cameras.
There has to be transferred from the cameras to a
database to the law enforcement. What do all those parts
look like? That's true, getting it done. Okay, keep going,

(01:06:51):
Let's talk to Nephie and mill Creek nev I, thank
you for holding and welcome to the Ron and Greg show.

Speaker 15 (01:06:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
I think with Greg, I don't think we need another law,
and I agree with all of the points that have
been made. But additionally, dash cams are becoming ubiquitous and
people can afford those, they're less than several hundred dollars
to stay with. To be better off putting out a
subsidy for people to buy their own dash cameras, you'd
have the ability to see what happened in the accident,

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and the state doesn't have any control over the video,
and it can be used to figure out who was
right and he was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
That's a good point. Good point. My guess is Nephie
said you can purchase them. I bet in the future
automakers are just going to put them into cars to
begin with, Like you have a rear view, a rear
end camera.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
My Cadillac is at twenty seventeen and it has a
camera in the front. If I want to turn it on. Really,
this hasn't go on all the time. I'd have to
turn it on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
You actually, have you ever turned it on?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I have, but then I had a rock to that
literally hit the exact lens and it costs so much
to replace. I'm not changing it, so I say that,
but now the camera was you don't need one, and
you drive like an old lady for coming. Now back
to the phone, Dave in orum did I here on
the Rod and Greg Show. Dave, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Yeah, good evening, Thanks for taking my call. Just a
quick comment before I get into my story. I'm all
about abiding the law and making things safe. But I
do have a story from Texas where I lived. In Texas,
they have some some of those lights that were put
in and they had them set incorrectly. So the yellow

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light went through the cycle really quick.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
And I remember I went through the intersection and the light,
you know, the light had it was a stell green light.
I went through the yellow light and right away it
turned red like right away, and I got a ticket
in the mil So I called him up and I said, Hey,
here's what happened. I went through this light. It cycled
through really quick. I don't get it. You know, there's

(01:08:58):
no way I should have gotten a ticket. And the
gentleman I talked to said, oh yeah, we've had a
problem with that, and it's okay, we've got a lot
of complaints, so we're gonna wave your ticket, which was
really nice. But how many people went through that life
You got ticket when it was set incorrectly. So I'm
not necessarily against them or for them, but I do

(01:09:21):
know that they need to be set properly so that
it's accurate. Otherwise, you know, it's frustrating experience.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Thank you, Thank you. Dave appreciates the story. I think, Rod,
that's actually I'm putting that in my column. So there's
there's that. That's my column. No, here's here's a new scam. Yeah, yeah,
I tell you a new scam. So I got I
got a text message the other day. It said you
were parked somewhere where you weren't supposed to be and

(01:09:49):
so you were in violation. And it says the date
of the violation was February and it says that your
ticket is like two dollars, but if you fail to pay,
it's going to be thirty eight dollars. Okay, click here
to make your payment. It's a scam, it's I don't
buy it. I don't think it's real. I think it's
one of these things I think you got. I think

(01:10:09):
you have people right now they're trying to get out
there and and and contact people either through emails or
their text messages to say that you have violated some
parking You know, you have some kind of parking park
where you weren't supposed to do something like that. So
just compound that with the the this this pilot that
would ultimately, I think be implemented into a process of

(01:10:30):
you know, sending in your your tickets to people in
the mail. I think it caused a lot of confusion.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
All right, more your coal are It's been an interesting discussion.
I lost on this one. Like, hey, I got creamed
in pickleball this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah, you know, I group of guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Group of guys, great group of guys, and I lost.
We play usually about eight matches. I lost seven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Why are you telling our listeners this this isn't that's
not your best.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Thing, because I'm comparing it to how badly I lost
here on this topic.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
You know what, though, you did make a slight comeback
zero percent on our on our ex poll. You are
now eleven percent. Yeah, well we're at eighty nine listeners
and you've got you've.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Got yeah yeah, okay, Well I shared that with you
because I lost this morning pick a ball. I lost
on this topic tonight. Yes, I'd lose just to make
you feel good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You always say that I do have any discussions. You
always say that you just.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Set you up to win.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you keep saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Yeah huh, yeah, we know the truth. All right. More
coming up on the rod At Great Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine, Kate and r Ass.
Now you're surprised, I mean, you know, like teacher pay,
when you talk about traffic issues in this state, people
just want to talk about them. They have all kinds
of opinions.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Well, the thing that did surprise me is that it's
a it's a local issue, and it was a bill
in our legislative session, and there's so much going on
nationally that I wasn't sure we put four segments into that,
and callers just did and the comments. That is why
I love going to our listeners is that there is
no shortage of incredibly good observations. Mart that. Yeah, it's
just I always enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, all right, let's move on and talk about this
is story, Greg, because Donald Trump is having success on
this issue that he campaigned on. The media is ignoring
the story. But you cannot ignore what's going on on
the southern border.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah. In my haze of Facebook back and forth this
weekend where I burned my whole weekend doing this, I
did try to bring this up where they were saying
he's all talk, he doesn't do anything, and I said,
I don't know that you can look at that southern
border and say that nothing has happened. I think I
think it's been quite measurable. And today it came out

(01:12:51):
some of those measurements which are shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Yeah, reach some of those numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
The numbers, three, folks, in twenty twenty two, just in
the month of February of twenty twenty two, there were
one hundred and sixty six thousand border encounters. Okay, that's
in February of twenty twenty two. Yes, in February twenty
twenty two. In February twenty twenty twenty three, there were
one hundred and fifty six thousand border encounters on the

(01:13:16):
southern border and twenty twenty four one hundred and eighty
nine thousand border encounters in twenty twenty five in the
month of February. Those are just February numbers I'm sharing.
They're not accumulative in the month of February eight thousand.
So you heard I was using the word one hundreds, yes,

(01:13:37):
or one hundred, one hundred sixty six, one hundred and
fifty six, one hundred and eighty nine eight eight eight.
So when Biden said I've done all I can do,
and those senators, they had that Senate bill and they're saying,
and that bill was garbage in, garbage out. Whatever Republican
was ready to sign on to that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Lying from local almost sponsored the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
With the premise being, we can't do anything unless we
this nightmare bill where all lawsuits about the border had
to go that DC court to be litigated. I mean,
there were so many that we actually allowed for illegal
borders crossings up to six thousand a day before you
could even do anything about it. It was such a nightmare bill.
The Democrats tried to say, Republicans are trying to stop
a solution. I know what the solution is, to just

(01:14:20):
protect the border. No laws changed, Rod, look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yeah, how many conservatives like Mike Lee, members other members
over our delegation. We're saying, Greg, just enforce the laws
on the board. If you do that, it will make
an impact. Now, you've got to have the willingness, you've
got to have the manpower to do so. And that's
what they've done. Donald Trump said to Tom Holman and others,

(01:14:46):
solved this problem. And they're going at it like you
wouldn't believe. And look at the number from one hundred
and eighty nine thousand last year to eight thousand this year.
Holy Toledo, what a change it is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
And so I mean, at the time Biden was saying,
there's nothing more I can do. It's one hundred eighty
nine thousand, folks, without new laws. That's that's just what
you're going to get. Nothing you can do. Speaker John's
was saying, that's not true. It's just not true. Mike Lee.
Senator Li said, that is just not true. We didn't
see this when the law, no law has changed. To
see these numbers explode. You have a president who's allowing

(01:15:20):
for it. You have my orchis that was allowing for it.
As soon as heat comes on the on the I mean,
that's not even that's fine, it's it's just amazing to
go from one hundred eighty nine thousand to eight.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Now. Another promise that Donald Trump said he would make
as he ran for president was he would bring manufacturing
back to the United States. Right. Yes, look what has
happened today? First fall? This morning we learned it is
a Honda. Yes, I believe Honda, which was going to
build a brand new plant in Mexico, has changed their

(01:15:52):
minds and are now going to build one in Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Imagine that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah, and the President, the President announced a short time
ago that a chip manufacturer in Taiwan is going to
spend how much I mean the number is this astronomy?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yeah, it's an astronomy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
And I think they're gonna build it in Arizona by
the sounds of it. But they're bringing that back to
the United States.

Speaker 15 (01:16:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
A lot of people are saying they're doing this because
of concern over tariffs. Okay, wasn't that part of Trump's plan.
I want to bring companies back to America, and if
you make your product here, you don't have to worry
about it. And that's what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
We saw when he was elected. We saw people that
were making decisions to outsource their manufacturing out outside of
America come in, like Howard Harley Davidson I think, came back,
or is John Deere. John Deere was going to move
all their operations out, and after he got elected, they
decided that they opted out of the Mexican agreement, came
back to America. Now you're seeing that he's present. You're
seeing it with Honda, You're seeing it with this Taiwanese

(01:16:51):
micro chip maker. You see it with Apple Computer, five
hundred billion dollar investment in America, and with jobs trajectory
that's unbelievable. He's been in office like forty two days. Okay,
So everybody that wants to just hammer him on tariffs,
hammer him on his trying to negotiate peace, a ceasefire
and peace between Ukraine and Russia, all the things he's doing.

(01:17:13):
Can you let the guy do his job? Can you
let him actually do it? Everybody wants to just absolutely attack.
Not everybody, certainly, no one on this that listens to
our show, but the regime media and the leftists and
even the sellout Republicans want to attack him on just
his idea, without without even seeing if it can bear fruit,
and it's bearing fruit in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Well, I love your phrase. You just choose. Why not
let him do his job and see where the chips
fall where they may pardon the pun, but let him
do his job and let's see what happens. I mean
what you want Kamala to do this? You want to
Joe Biden didn't do his job, and look at the
fix we're in. I even know how to run the country.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
I got to tell you that when I was running
for governor in twenty twenty, one of the things that
I was not appreciating is I traveled this entire state,
especially when I got to Utah and I went to
like the cattle auctions and things. We had two processors
processing beef and the whole of the United States, of
the whole country, right the whole country, and they were
actually driving the price of beef down, and those auctions

(01:18:14):
were going lower and lower because there was no one
to buy they could actually process the meat, and we
were losing this supply chain. What Trump announced today, I
don't know if you saw, is he told ranchers and
he told our farmers get ready to make more start
growing more crops. Get your right because we are not
going to let them bring in from outside our country.

(01:18:34):
We are going to do it here in the United States.
So we need your we need your crops, we need
your cattle, we need everything because we're doing it here.
That is just absolute good news for our farmers and
for our ranchers and for America, frankly, to have a
food chain that's that's grown here in America and produced
to your process here stays here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
I think that's called make America great again?

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
It sure is what it's all about. All right? More
coming up the Roding Greg Show with you on this
Monday evening and Talk Radio one oh five nine k
n RS. Just another reminder, we won't be here at
this time tomorrow night. There'll be a special preview show
of the President's addressed in Congress that gets underway at seven.
Our preview show gets underway at six o'clock, and I
know a lot of people are going to be interested

(01:19:16):
to see what he does. Did you hear what the
Dems are going to do? No bring fired fed employees
to the to the address tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yeah, it's just not going to fly with America that
they're all losing jobs. They had a tough way to go,
and how these guys want to make you know, they
want to again to our talk pic at the beginning
of the show, they're they're superior, They're more elevated than
the average everyday American worker. Do they want to bring
some they want to bring some of the American workers
that have lost their jobs. No, they just want to
bring the federal workers. That's who we should all feel

(01:19:45):
sorry for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Yeah, why not bring the Keystone pipeline folks, why not
bring you know, russ Belt workers who lost their jobs
years ago. And you are right in the middle of that.
I mean, you grew up. I watched this want the
whole thing us deal there are Americans deal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Just yes, it was so sad. I wish we could
get our federal workers that listen to this program to
go and be Mike Lee's guest and they would say,
like they've told us on the show today, I'm more
than happy the list what I did today and yesterday.
And I'll tell you what. There's our listeners that work
for the federal government are spotting a lot of people
that aren't carrying their own weight and need to go

(01:20:21):
and that they told us, and they'd say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
To them, Ye, let's talk more about what Donald Trump
and Elon Musk is doing when it comes to doge.
Is Donald Trump trying to bring back meritocracy insanity? I
think he's doing that. Joining us on our Newsmaker line
right now is Robert Chernan. Robert is chairman of the
American Center for Education Knowledge. Robert, thank you for joining

(01:20:44):
us tonight. How do you see right now, Robert, meritocracy returning?

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Well, I think.

Speaker 15 (01:20:50):
It's everywhere that you look. I mean, you have to
start with the operational understanding that this country was founded
on meritocracy and one's ability, you know, judged how far
they could go. We were now of country founded on
equality of outcome. We're a country that was founded on
equality of opportunity. Imperfect as it is, I think Donald
Trump has brought back that in spades, right, which which

(01:21:12):
is you want the best of the best, and you
know you've.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
Got to be able to compete for that.

Speaker 15 (01:21:17):
So it's really a question of do you want the
person who fits the box, the right color, the right race,
the right identity, the right gender, whatever you want to
call it, or do you want the best person, man, woman,
or child for the job. And I think that's what
Donald Trump is bringing back. And I think it's I
think it's wrinkling a lot of noses on the Democratic
side of the aisle.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
When I think of the United States and we think
about you know, the origins of this nation or colonialists,
and then you know, the nation of immigrants. I cannot
think of a way to divide this nation and its
people more severely than by the the way they look
who they are, by the color of their skin or
any or ethnicis or anything else. Because we are a

(01:22:00):
nation and a population made up of such a diverse population.
If you want to destroy the country, DEI seems to
be the silver bullet. I don't know anything you're not
going to do it on on I think social economic status.
I think because we're upwardly mobile and so far having
freedom of of of you know, liberty and self determination.

(01:22:21):
Was DEI created to do just that, to undermine and
destroy our foundational institutions? Or is that just the unintended consequence?

Speaker 15 (01:22:31):
Well, asking me, I will tell you. I think it
was intentional. I think it started with President Obama, who
said one thing and did another. And let's be clear,
what DEI really stands for is not diversity, equity, and inclusion.
What it really stands for is division, exclusion, and intolerant.
And it's almost sort of a secular religion to the uh,

(01:22:54):
you know, to the elite, to the college people, you know, kids,
thing like that. So you divide America along every fissure
you can find, man from women, black from white, rich
from poor, every socioeconomic class you can. Because if you
divide people right, which is the opposite of meritocracy, where
you let the cream rise to the top, you divide people,
it's easier to let's say, for lack of a better term,

(01:23:16):
rule them, which is really what they wanted to try
to do, which is use DEI to divide us. So
that's I think the origins of it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Talk about if you would be could you mentioned this
in your article, Robert, about the impact that DEI is
having on our military and what has happened there. Share
your thoughts on that if you would, sure, of course.

Speaker 15 (01:23:36):
Look, look, the military has one function, which is to
win wars. I think even don't forget it, what used
to be called the War Department before it was changed
for whatever reasons, back in the fifties to the Defense Department,
and it is built on cohesiveness. It is built it
is the ultimate meritocracy where it's about capabilities and frankly,

(01:23:58):
it's about forming a unit where you work together. So
anything that divides that cohesiveness hurts our military readiness. And
when you start advertising that, come come what was it
the Navy advertising that that had this LGB two Q
person saying, you know, come to that. Maybe I can't

(01:24:18):
think of anything more harmful to our military readiness than that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
So meritocracy is back. It is a clear signal from
our president how long till we unwind it. We see
some corporations that are announcing that they're going to not
they're going to no longer have these DEI efforts within
their corporations. But when do you do we make a
hard reset or is this going to take a long
long time to course correct?

Speaker 15 (01:24:46):
Unfortunately, it's going to take a long time to course correct.
We didn't get in overnight. And but here's the truth.
Until we reclaim academia and we go back to teaching
our young college you know, kids, how to think and
not what to think, we still have a long way
to go. The corporations, I think are our knee jerk

(01:25:07):
reaction and they're worried about their bottom line. Thankfully at
this point they should be. But they were knee jerk
when they ran to embrace THEI now that Donald Trump's
in the in office and the Trump administration, now they're
trying to walk it back. But I don't think that's
going to I don't think it's in their core it
just yet. So it's going to take a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Well, it sounds what you're saying. It probably needs to
start in education, and that's where we need to start
all over again. Does that make sense, Robert? It starts
and ends in education.

Speaker 15 (01:25:37):
We lost control of academia and we you know, look
Hitler went after the youth movement for a reason. Right
the young are impressionable. It's going to take a generation
to get to get that back. When you look at
what's going on in college campuses right now, there's not
diversity of thought. There's uniformity of thought. And if there's
no uniformity of thought, you are cast out or you
are canceled. Remember they started with safe zones, right, safe spaces,

(01:26:00):
and then it was safe universities, and then you look
at the elite institutions which are charging an exorbitant amount
of money to educate our young people, and they're still
hell bent on teaching them not how to think, where
there's diversity of thought truly, but what to think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Robert, thank you. Robert Shernan. He is chairman of the
American Center for Education and Knowledge. Talking about Trump bringing
back meritocracy and sanity to the federal government. You just
told me a story. I haven't seen this. Something about
John Fetterman today, the Pennsylvania Democratic Senator.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Yeah, Democrat senator, but he represents Pennsylvania, which just booted
Democrat Senator Bob Casey Junior and elected McCormick a Republican,
and then Trump won Pennsylvania, which is a big deal.
So he's a senator from Pennsylvania looking around, and he's
saying our party is not on the right track. He's
been more vocal about that, has been vocal recently about that,

(01:26:54):
and today there have been mass resignations of his staff,
his Senate staff because of his criticism of the party.
It shows that this younger, if you ever go to Washington,
I always joke that there ought to be playground equipment
in these Senate buildings and the house buildings, because everybody's like,
you're right, everybody's a child. You can go to our
state capital. The staffers are adults, but they're they're pretty young,

(01:27:14):
and they can't handle it. They cannot handle what Fetterman's
saying about the peril that the party's in, and so
they're quitting on him. Yeah, well, okay, you can do that.
But still it's you know, he's not wrong. He has
at least some political instinct where even if he doesn't believe,
he seems to be a chameleon, he'll be what he thinks,
you know, where are the people going? So I can

(01:27:35):
lead him there? Well, he sees where the people are going,
so he's trying to get out in front of that
crowd and lead him there. But his his staff isn't
abn it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
It is so funny, Greg, And we've seen it develop
over the last two or three week where really sends
the election. But again, the Democrats, I think over the
weekend held another conference to try and figure out who
they are. You know, the ideas they came up with
what no different from the ideas they had or to
the elections. No, I mean they just can't seem to

(01:28:03):
break out of this funk, whatever you want to call it,
with these just wacky ideas. They don't know how to
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
They just so you know, the muscles, you know, you
have to have resistance, right, you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Have there's no resistance.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
So they grew up, they grew up in this little
amen corner where the media was with them, and the
academia was with him, and Hollywood was with them, and
and they just they lived in this world where they
just didn't know there could be another opinion, or if
anybody didn't see their worldview, you suffered from an intellectual
or moral failing. And now they're on the wrong side.
The people have had it, and they've gone so far,

(01:28:38):
they've been pushed so far to this radical side where
they don't they don't represent anyone but the elite and
the social engineers and the leftists, and they don't know
how to course correct because they grew up under this
absolute echo chamber. They just don't even they can't even understand,
don't comprehend it. The guy some people that I was

(01:29:00):
wasting my time and having this back and forth with
over the weekend, they just can't. They just can't get bathroom.
No Trump bad, Trump bad. Well that's it everything. There's
nothing else good. It's just he's bad, so there's nothing good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
One of the ideas that are surfacing now in the
Democratic Party. You ready for this, be more like Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I'll tell you right now. Boy, you say that these
people lose their minds, you know what that actually translates into,
be for the American people, be for common sense. You know,
just just do that. And I think this party has
the Republican Party. I hear people say it's thought the
party it used to be. Thank goodness, because if you
thought it was the country club party of the leaders,
it was never the party I thought I was a

(01:29:41):
part of.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Not anymore, all right, Moore, coming up some final thoughts
with Roddy and Greg on this Monday and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n RS. Great to
be with you. Don't forget Jesse Kelly coming your way
following following now our news update at the top of
the olle. I have become such a big fan of
this guy. Scott Jennings was on CNN the one sharp Conservative.

(01:30:02):
Greg on CNN, Well he did it over again over
the weekend. He was talking about what happened in the
Oval Office on Friday between President Trump and Zolensky. Well,
he went on and explained what happened, and you won't
believe what happened. After he'd said that, Holy Toledo, look
at this trend line. That's not the one here.

Speaker 26 (01:30:23):
What he needs Zelensky to recognize the position that he's in,
where their patron, we're their best hope for the killing
to stop and for them to emerge from this sovereign
and prosperous. And we're also their best hope as a
business partner. I mean, all Zelensky had to do today
was put on a tie, show up, smile, say thank you,

(01:30:44):
sign the papers, and have lunch.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
That's it. And he couldn't do that.

Speaker 26 (01:30:49):
And this followed ten days of being difficult in private
and now one day of being stupid and publican This
did not have to go down this way. And however
you feel about why it started, why it's going on,
who's right and who's wrong. We can help them in
this and come out okay on the other side. And
he's making it hard.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Was he antagonized or baited into this or was he
just not appreciative of what.

Speaker 10 (01:31:15):
Scott's saying as being the beneficiary of the United States.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
Well, I can't believe I'm about to say this, but
I actually agree with Scott and everything that he said
was basically right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
No, you hear Scott going wow. That was Washington Post
a reporter Josh Rogan is his name, who actually agreed
with everything Scott said about that meeting last week. It's
just pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Well, I mean, I've seen there are so many that
are pro Ukraine, pro doing having America get involved and
you know, find an end of this war, and they
were critical of Zelenski. They don't understand how and so
I don't know when Lindsey Graham is absolutely furious and
he's been one of the biggest Yeah supporters, supporters that

(01:32:01):
tells you something.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Well, we invite you to join us tomorrow. Now, we
won't be here tomorrow night. As a matter of fact,
we'll end the show a little earlier at six pm
tomorrow night for a preview of the President's address to
a meeting of Congress. So we'll have the preview at
six and live coverage of what the President has to
say coming up at seven. O'clock tomorrow night, So we
invite you to us. Stay tuned. As they say each

(01:32:23):
and every night, head up, shoulders back, May God bless
you and your family. Thanks for joining us tonight. Thanks
for making Greg feel good again today. What's the latest debate?
We appreciate you joining us. Freedom lovers see you tomorrow.
We'll be back tomorrow at for Have a good night,

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