The Rod and Greg Show: Trump's "Wild Bunch" Cabinet Picks Ready for Action; What Mass Deportation Might Look Like

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Called my wife a few minutes ago. Guess what she's done.
She's shopping.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, I love it this season.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
She goes, I found such great deals. That's always dangerous
because they just keep on buying.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, you know, you know, you go to those places
like Costco and there's a false economy going when you
buy the fifty pound bucket of peanut butter, just not saving.
I don't care how much per pound you've bought or
you've purchased. You just bought more peanut butter than you'll
use it. Rest Yeah, I mean, do they have fifty
pound buckets on peanut butter, but they do buy And
this bulk thing is I think you.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Cannot walk out of Costco without dropping three hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, it's it's it's they get you for they.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Get you for a lot. But it's kind of fun
to go there too.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, there's they have stuff that I've seen rocks that
are like they look like rocks, but they're like speakers, speakers,
and you don't just buy them, I mean buy them. Yeah,
I get things. Well, I just saw you.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Buy the thing you don't need.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, I'm not there looking for it. And then I'll
see something that totally looks cool and I'll get it.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, yeah, you're like I am. You just see telling
you buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I was not looking for a speaker disguised as a rock,
and then I find it and it's like, well, that's
the coolest thing. I have put that out there and
you won't even know where it sounds coming from. And
I buy it. You're one of the you know they see.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, how are your buddy? Great to be with you
on this Friday afternoon. We've got a great show coming
your way. We're going to get your late latest on
Donald Trump's cabinet pigs, the wild buncheons, it's been referred to.
They're ready to go. We'll talk about that. We'll talk
about the United States versus common sense and who do
you who do you think is gonna win out on
this one?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, well, I think the election says common sense. Baby,
we're going We're going to win.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I hope. So what is going on? What on earth
is going on with Spencer Cox? Our estate governments?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
When you say that, it's because he's coming up with
what would be considered very conservative positions, right, I think
our listeners are the reason are they They are this election,
I think I think the listeners of the show have
been very vocal on what they'd like to see from
a governor. I think that that election return of only
fifty three percent is not where I think a good

(02:13):
governor wants to be when they get is. So thank
you for sharing yours with me. So with that said, look,
so maybe he's taking your word from maybe the listeners
have gotten through his head because he's he he wants
to he thinks that, and he's right, we've lost faith
in higher ed the costs are much and what they're
teaching our kids they can't use or if they use it,

(02:34):
it's gonna be dangerous. He's saying, if you're not if
you're not serious about nuclear energy, then you're not serious
about the environment or anything. I mean, that's good to hear.
He wants to cut social right now. There's you don't
get taxed on social Security in Utah if you're at
a certain income level. He just doesn't want anyone to
be taxed on their Social Security, which is great. So
these are these are moves to the right after a

(02:56):
re election. Now you would say those would be things
you would see before a real election and kind of
to say, hey, look at me, I'm one of you.
This is after that, and he says he only wants
to run two terms. So what's going on? To your point,
what's going on here? We got a conservative governor?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Happened?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
What uh?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
What?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
What was it? Several weeks ago him and Trump were together,
remember that they were. You know, I think Trump slipped
something into his water.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well for a guy that was so opposed to Trump
for all my years in the legislature, and he was
just he could not get there no matter what. And
now he seems no since Butler, boy, he's says Butler,
he seems to have been coming around every all our
callers will say, Hughes, you're a sucker. You know, it's
not just for rocks with stereos disguised as rocks. You're
You're a sucker that you think this. But you know,

(03:43):
I don't. He's got nothing to gain for arguing for
conservative you know, some tax cuts and going after higher
ed for waste, I mean that's and and wanting nuclear
energy for you know, to which is a smart play.
I don't. I don't know what the motivation is. Maybe
our listeners can help.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Sheds like will open up the phones, do you and
get your reaction to that, because you're right, this is
something a politician would do normally before an election, correct,
But he is not doing it after an election. Yes,
I mean, maybe he only got fifty of the vote.
I think I think had something to do with it.
It's that good.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
We haven't seen a governor run for reelection and get
that low of a re election percentage since the sixties
at least. So I do think that he would like
to be I mean, honestly, he's our governor. I think
he sees where what the sentiment was that this election,
and I think he wants to be a good vie.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Do you want to come on this show?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Some days I say that, And as I say that,
I just think our listeners are going to rebuke me
from saying it. But I look, I just I'll just
I'll just leave it up to the listeners. They can
tell me what's going on with here. I will. I
will just take their word for it.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
A little bit later on, we'll talk about having friends
and talking politics.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Can can you do that? I can?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, I'll whoop them. Well that's because you're right all
the time.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well that's you remember, I don't have the luxury of opinion.
You don't just know.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
But let's start off. This will shock absolutely nobody out there.
Voters apparently, you know, delivered a devastating blow to Joe
Biden back on November fifth. Well guess what now they
are branding them the worst president in the last fifty years.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, I could have told you that about eighteen months
into his term. But I'd love to know what their
measure is for that, because it is true. I mean,
I honestly think it. Don't you think Rod, that the
amount of damage that's been done in this country and
its institutions and the people in the time he's been president.
I didn't think you could move that the trajectory could

(05:44):
be pushed down that low that fast. Yeah, I didn't.
I thought we were this nation would be stronger than that.
But it's been brought to its knees, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Byron York, who I really admire, rights for the Washington Examiner,
right wrote an article the other day. We touched on
this very very briefly, and it kind of outline the
things that Joe Biden has done to this country. And
that list is very, very long, and it's scary, and
now we've asked Donald Trump to get back into the
White House and fix it. Not going to be a
very easy job at all. But this poll comes from

(06:14):
the Daily Mail. They found that Biden was less impressive
than Jimmy Carter, who was voted out after a single
term after presiding over double digit inflation. The poll results
also make him worse in viewers' minds than Richard Nixon,
who everybody has always thought has been the worst president
we've ever had simply because of Watergate. Biden came in

(06:37):
at the very end of a table, making him the
worst president in forty four years. Forty four percent place
him as one of the worst two along with Richard Nixon.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, if you go back and you look at Watergate too,
I mean, his big cardinal sin was that he was
told the morning after the Watergate link in. Yeah, he
occurred and he said he didn't know at that point,
he didn't know. Look at all the lies that this Biden,
mister Biden himself family all of it. How do you
impeach Trump for Colin Zelenski saying you gotta mess over there,

(07:08):
you got to clean up your house over there, gets
impeached in the House for making that call. And this
entire pardon for Hunter Biden and probably the ones that
are coming all wrapped around his skullduggery and his illegal
behavior in Ukraine and Russia and China everywhere. But I mean,
you impeach Trump over it and then you pardon Hunter
for it. I mean, don't see anything wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
That question was also raised in the survey Joe Biden
was wrong in pardoning Hunter Biden. Fifty of those surveys
said he was wrong, twenty nine percent say he was right.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
You know, this is what I hope. I hope that
I've seen this list. We broke this story yesterday that
Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, Fauci, Anthony Fauci, uh, former Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Millie all about
to get pardons, okaymptive pardons. I would hope that the investigations,

(08:03):
the congressional investigations and everything this is not lawfair to
look into how someone abused government, its departments, its investigative
powers to attack Donald Trump. I hope that that is
all brought into the light of day, even with those pardons,
meaning you can't do anything to the people that have
done this. I think that the public needs to see
in a very transparent way what has gone on with

(08:25):
this with this administration. And those pardons would not exist
if they didn't know that they had that they will
have some explaining it. Yeah, those are confessions, is what
those are. That those pardons are confessions that they've done
have done wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
And their indications are Today the White House spokesperson Grin
John Berre basically came back and said, yeah, we're thinking
about it. So unbelievable, amazing. Now, Barack Obama, we've got
a story. You can't make this stuff up that comes
from this file, but we can't get to it now.
A little bit later on, won't believe what Barack Obama
had to say. Wait up man, well yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, but he said in Pittsburgh voters was rude, and
I mean, I just I think he's really lost.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
He's lost as he has all right mare coming up.
It's great to be with you on this Friday afternoon
here on thank Rod and Greg. It's Friday and Talk
Radio one oh five nine, Kate and ours. Sounds like
the president elected standing by the guy he wants to
head up the defense.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I'm glad to hear it. You know, they are trying
to say that he's already picking looking at Ron de Santisco,
Florida governor as a replacement. If if haig Seth's was
not able to get the support, I thought that was
that wasn't a strong signal from the from for you know,
from President elect Trump. So I like to hear that
he's saying, you know, he's going to the mat. Yeah,
and I love it. Well.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
America's this organization called Building America's Future is pouring a
half million dollars now into an ad supporting Pate haigset
That's what it says.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
America needs a defense secretary who knows what it means
to fight and understands the price of freedom. Pete Hegseth
is a patriot, a decorated combat veteran, and a warrior
who will stop it nothing to keep America saying.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
We're putting a war fighters first. That's what Donald Trump asked.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
Me to do.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
The deep state is trying to stop his nomination, but
Pete isn't backing down. Call your senator today and urge
them to confirm Pete Hegseth her Secretary of Defense.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's being purchased Greg on a national level. But guess
where they're targeting it. Mostly you tell Iowa j.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Or Senator Hurts. You know what she's trying to say. Oh, look,
I'm on the I'm the on the Doge Senate Committee.
I want to cut government. You know what, Nothing you're
saying is going to matter to me. If you're not
going to get let Trump have his nominees for the cabinet,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
On on our newsmaker line right now to talk more
about this is our good friend Frank Meelee. He is
a columnist at Real Clear Politics writing about this. Frank,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Thanks for being with us, Hey, Rod, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And it sounds like you're off to a good start
on the conversation.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, let me ask you, Frank, I mean you're right
about you call him. I think Trump's wild bunch. Are
they ready to step in and really shake things up?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Do you think? Frank? Oh?

Speaker 6 (11:05):
Absolutely, I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I've been amazed by the speed of light with which
things have been happening. Clearly, those four years off gave
Trump plenty of time to think about what he wanted
to accomplish and how to do it. And yeah, he's
pulling out all the stops. I'm glad to see, like
you that he's not going to let the media and

(11:31):
the Democrats pick his secretary of Defense. He's hopefully going
to go to the mat for him. I wasn't a
big fan of Pete Hegseet when the nomination was announced.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
You know, I only know.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Him from Fox News particularly. I kind of thought he
was a little bit, you know, just kind of annoying
on TV. I didn't really care for him that much.
But I've listened to him a lot. The Megan Kelly
interview with him where he went in all the details
about all the allegations, and I thought he handled himself

(12:04):
really well. And his policy positions really can't be argued
with by anybody who wants to see the longer, stronger
Defense Department.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
So let's have it, you know, I think that, And
I love the comparison that you make between the Western
wild Bunch, the Wild Bunch and these and these people
that the President President Trump is nominating for his cabinet.
They really are the ones that are going to go
after the Federals, you know, the bad guys, the ones
that have the badges, but really are the ones that
have been terrorized in the folks in the town. And

(12:38):
so but let me ask you, what do you think
it's his? How should I put it? Is it really
unconventional to bring people from outside Washington to try and
fix what people what he was elected to fix, and
that is fit clean up the swamp, get rid of
this this bureaucratic state and the thirty six trillion dollars
of debt and growing. Why is it is it possible

(13:00):
to have people that come from outside that process and
really do the things that we we expect to see
on Trump doing his next term.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Well, it's a great question, and you know, we hopefully
enough of them get through that we'll see results and
we'll know one way or the other. You know, Wow,
was this job really too big for Pete hagg Seth
Because it's you know, big, you know, big position with yes,
millions of people that are you know under him, and
he certainly has a lot to you know, to do that.

(13:32):
He's never done anything like it, but who has you know,
and the RFK Junior and paulsy Gabbertt, these are all
people who are stepping up and uh, if if, if
it works, it's gonna it's gonna give a real boost
to the Let's get out of Washington and find you know,

(13:54):
good people who can do jobs, uh that aren't part
of the system. And I know Telsey was part of
the system, but she got out of the system. And
RFK never really has been part of the system. So
takes that is and you know, it's going to be
it's going to be an experiment, and I think that
there's an experiment that needs to be done on you

(14:16):
It's it's with the backdrop of the Doge house cleaning
and the fact that we have the you know, the
deficit and the national debt at ridiculous levels and Trump
did not do anything about them on a first term.
I'm hoping that's one of the things he's learned, you know,
stick to your guns, don't let the Congress dictate to you.

(14:40):
And if he lets them to dictate on who his
cabinet is, that's just the first step. They'll be all
they'll be all over him. They'll they'll run up to
the ground.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
And Frank Greg and I have both talked about this
in the show in the past several weeks about you know,
I get a sense that the the the deep state,
the movers and sh figgers within the deep stators saying
to themselves, bring it on, buddy, you aren't going to
knock us down. I mean, now, how big of a
challenge is in fact this is going to be because
I think this may be our last chance to make

(15:11):
some real change in the size of government.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well absolutely, I mean it's a huge uphill battle to
even pull it off. If he even gets the people
in and you know it gets the I mean, they're
very inventive. I think I think possibly the russ vote
over at the omb Is is kind of brainchilding this

(15:38):
this movement because he's been trying to bring down the
deficits for a long time. I think with some people
like that that have experience guiding the ship, it may
actually make it through to a safe port.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
What we sure do hope.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
So Frank is always great chatting you with you on
the show, Frank Neely. He is a columnist with real
clear politics. Enjoy the weekend, Frank, thank you, thank you
all right on our Newsmaker line. That's Frank Meey, a
real clear politics columnist talking about the wild bunch. I
love that phrase. Trump's wild Bunch invading Washington. More Coming

(16:14):
up on The Rodden Greg Show, the President elect is
sitting down with Meat the Press doing an interview today
and they'll air that on Sunday, and then he's going
to fly to Paris to be there for the opening
the reopening of the Cathedral of Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I'm not I'm not happy about the Meat the Press. Yeah,
I know your parents. I think it's I think it's
you know what, They're going to treat him bad. And
then it's just like when he Bret kept bringing out
New York Times reporter in and it just always causes
more trouble for him, and then we all stick up
for him. Quit going there good quick. All we have
to do we all complain about how they treat him well.
Quit walking in there and talking to him. They're not
they don't like you. I just wann't know why.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
It goes well. Now, we need to mention. Coming up
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stars out there is coming to Salt Lake City for
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to be giving We're going to be giving away tickets
to that.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You will want to know, you will and you will
want to you want to.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Win, you will want But speaking of tickets, we've got
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(17:29):
If you're Color number five, you've got yourself two tickets
to zoo lights. Big story of the week Greg one
of them. Of course, we mentioned the pardon of Hunter Biden,
but also the Supreme Court hearing on gender affirming care
otherwise known as a sex change operation.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yep, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, joining us on our news maker line to talk
more about that is Steve Gruber. Steve his host of
America's Voice Live Real America's Voice as well. He's joining
us on our newsmaker line. He writes about the United
States versus common sense. Steve, whatever happened to common sense
in America?

Speaker 6 (18:05):
It took a leave of absence and it never came back.
I mean, well, I shouldn't say it never came back.
I think we got a dose of it on the
fifth of November, and I hope to God that we're
back on the right track, because look, I mean, anybody
who thinks you could spin the wheel and pick your gender,
come on, I mean, this was first grade biology an

(18:25):
any any little boy, you know. I had Lieutenant Colonel
Allen West on the show here a couple of days ago.
He says, look, if you can't look down your pants
on the side, if you have a too Q train
or a tunnel, maybe you shouldn't be in the military.
Just throwing it out.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
There, I've never heard that's a beautiful bottom line right there.
I just think it's try in tunnels. That's all we're
talking about. I used to say, indoor outdoor plumbing. I think.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Pretty simple. Yeah, yeah, pretty simple stuff. But you know, look,
I was I was born out in the country. I
grew up across the dairy farm. I figured it out
when I was about three years old. Okay, they're there,
and they're there. They're a little different, those two right there.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
You know.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
I mean, it's not hard stuff, and yet we're going
through a time in America, and I think this is
the defining cultural issue of America. I mean, we're chemically
castrating children, physically mutilating them in surgery and saying, well,
this will help will be better. I'm sorry, what planet
are you on? Help them be better?

Speaker 8 (19:27):
How?

Speaker 6 (19:28):
And the deep transitioners get zero time, they get silenced,
they get no love. Right, It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
And to highlight the lack of any kind of common
sense in this issue is that you would think that
this whole debate would be around adults that want to
do this or not, and what how this is paid
for by insurance or not. We're talking children, and it
had been the case and up till this debate that
you know you don't you don't let kids get tattoos,

(19:55):
you don't let kids drink, you don't. You know, there
are some limitations, and we want to let children be children,
live those those years of their youth, and when it
becomes time to be an adult, then you got some
choices to make. How in the world we can still
try to have policies surrounding how a child can be
a child. How you don't want to see the corruption
of a minor. And then you get to this topic,

(20:16):
all of that is suspended. I think the election, like
you pointed to, is a moment of common sense and clarity.
I think this was one of the major issues, which
cultural war issues don't tend to be. Is that a
bell Weather, I guess is my question? With all that said,
are we going to get to common sense here and
protect kids? That's all this is about?

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Really, But you look, it's about child abuse. Let's just
say that's what it is. This is child abuse. There's
no middle ground here, and we have to get it.
And here's what I've said in there were times in
my program, and I think you guys, based on the
short time that we've done to know each other, we'll
agree with this. And that is if you went into

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the bluest of blue states, if you went into Seattle
or Portland or boss and are picking blue states in
your blue areas, and said, let's put it on the ballot.
Do we want to have surgery for six, eight and
ten year olds to you know, cut off body parts,
to have radical double mass sectimies, to do chemical castration
of little boys that can never be reversed. I mean,
this can never be reversed. This is what they use

(21:18):
for hardened criminals that are rapist, for chemical castrations, double
radical mass ecimies. Because a young girl's going through hormones,
or she's been bullied, or she has a terrible home life,
or whatever's happened. And we're gonna do these permanent things, right,
put it to the people. Let the people vote, and
I guarantee you, gentlemen, the Democrats will reject this as
strongly as Republicans ten to one, twelve to one. These

(21:40):
these things would not stand a chance because even Democrats
know this is wrong. I mean, it's it's it's so simple,
it's stupid.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's Steve, Now, this morning, like I do every morning now,
I always take a low do aspirin to make sure
my wild is okay. You know, was I in danger
of taking that lotos asp asper into day?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Steve? You know there's danger in every medical procedure. And
as you so, it's all the same, right.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
I heard them from the Supreme Court. I mean, Kanji
Jackson Brown tried to tried to explain to me that
not allowing this in the state of Tennessee was racist.
I don't even know how you make that leave of
faith or that it was discriminatory. Listen, we discriminated against
children every day. You guys mentioned it just a moment ago.
We discriminated against fifteen year olds who want to drink liquor.

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We discriminated against sixteen year olds who want to cast
a vote. We discriminated against twelve year olds who want
to operate a motor vehicle on the freeway system of
this country. We discriminated against kids every single day, and
for good reason. We're supposed to show them the rope,
show them the way, keep them out of harm's weight.
That's common sense. Looking out for our kids, our grandkids,
even the kid down the street, of the kid that

(22:51):
we play little league with, or our kid does it
or goes to church with us, we look out for
those kids too. And that's what this is about. It's
about looking out for children. They cannot look out for
themselves and cannot make decisions about whether or not. I mean,
I heard one of these schools on CNN over there
and Chicken Noodle News say something about, well, you know,

(23:11):
girls know in elementary school whether or not they're going
to have kids or not when they're adults.

Speaker 9 (23:15):
No, they don't.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
Brionna whatever her name is, I'm like, are you an idiot?
I mean, I haven't have two daughters. God bless me.
I made it through both with a teenage yeers of
both of them helped me with that, but both of them. Originally,
I never want to have kids, never want to be
what I'm still kind of that way. What I'm mouse says,
I think I want to have a couple of kids,
maybe get to see people change, they become adults, and
they have to become adults that have not been under

(23:39):
the surgical knife or attacked by powerful life altering chemicals.
I mean, talk about common sense. This is really simple stuff, guys.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
So the Democrats and the leftist they never stop. So,
I mean even with Roev Wade, if he took me
back years ago, I would have said, it looks like
it's decided, alaw, let's go. And then all of a
sudden I saw this, the partial burst abortion, which was
really in fantaside, and I thought to myself, oh my gosh,
they don't stop. If we don't stop this and this
this chemically castrating of children, mutilating these kids, where do

(24:09):
they go from there? So I'd like our listeners to
know if we don't rally on this is this, is
this the endgame what we're hearing now, or is there
more to come from the left where they don't know
how to stop?

Speaker 6 (24:21):
It's going to stop? And I say that because look,
they've already stopped it in the UK, They've stopped it
in Germany. I think they've stopped it in France. They've
stopped this in Europe. All right, And so I'm going
to quote one of my one of my favorite liberals
speaking of Democrats, Neil Young, because you talk about the insidiousness, well,

(24:42):
you talk about the insidiousness of democrats, Neil said aptly,
so that rust never sleeps well. Socialist ideas are like rust.
You can sand it down, you can paint it over,
but it's going to come back. Slowly, but surely it's
going to eat away at the foundation of what we are.
And we have to stop it every turn. And you
have to be uh steadfast, you have to be diligent,

(25:03):
you have to knock these terrible ideas down. And when
it comes to kids, I think, look, I said, I
can't think of the guy's name, the swimmer, the transgender swimmer.
I said, that was gonna be a step too far,
That guy was going to make a change in America,
and he did because he gave rise to Riley Gaines.
And boy has she done great work. Hats off to

(25:23):
her for being a warrior for truth and common sense.
God bless her for what she's done. But I'm telling
you rust never sleeps. Socialists never go away. You can
bleach them, sand them, paint them over. They're going to
come back. And you gotta be steadfast.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, you sure do need to be steadfast. That's a
good description of the socialist agenda. It's like rust.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
It will never go away and it never sleeps. He
never sleeps. Your leftist agendas like rust and rust never sleeps.
I'm gonna say that all the time. Now I'm gonna
steal that saying that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
All right, Mark, coming up, Rod and Greg with you
on this Friday right here on Youtuh's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Can r S Big night. Last night
for Fox News, they do their annual Patriots Award. They
recognize military people just common everyday Americans for some simple
acts that they've done to better serve this country. And
last night it was down in Florida, Donald Trump, surprise, surprise,

(26:14):
was given the Patriot of the Year Award, right, yes,
and he talked to the folks about all kinds of issues.
But then at the end he pulled out a new
version of the Trump dance. Apparently I can't detect it,
but everybody's seen there is a new twist.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Took a Trump dance because the golf swing. He that well.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Milania Trump was on with Fox and Friends this morning
and they got into a discussion about the Trump dance.
That's what she had to say last night at the
Patriot Awards.

Speaker 10 (26:42):
I think we got a clip he was doing the
Trump dance, and I'm sure I'm sure you've seen that
evolve over the last as you look right there, how
do you describe your husband's dance moves?

Speaker 9 (26:55):
Oh, this is very special.

Speaker 11 (26:57):
And unique dance.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
It is right, and I think a lot of people
are copying it and everybody have fun with it. Which
part is this?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
How you danged know.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Which part of the Trump did?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Did you give him any tips?

Speaker 10 (27:11):
Like in the beginning it was whoa and it was
up high and now there's a golf swing.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
No, he's coming along.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Have you ever done the Trump dance?

Speaker 5 (27:20):
You are, missus Trump?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I did not, so I guess.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Today, you know what she's loosened up?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
She has? She? Yeah, I think she. I think his
first lady. I'm excited for she. Look, I got to
go those white House Christmas receptions and the first lady
is the one who comes up with how it's designed,
and in one year it was all white and anyway,
she's never got all the credits she should have for
being classy and I mean all the things that she did.
It really was like a Jackie Oh time for a

(27:52):
first lady, Yes, and she never got any of that
in that first term. I really do think that she
will be treated like we treat America treats our first
ladies in this term, which I think is well deserved.
I think she's How crazy is it that we get
in this unique time to have a four years and

(28:12):
then four year gap and then another four years, because
there really is that learning curve that if you were
just back to back the time everything, you wouldn't have
it to really make your second term as impactful as
I think this one will be. And I think people
appreciate all of them Milannia as well as Trump more
now after the Doctor Jill and Sleepy Joe thing we've
led through for four years.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well you know the interesting thing too, And kudos to Milania.
She gave Baron, their son, kudos today for helping the
president realize that you've got to get on social media. Yeah,
and you've got to talking. And as a matter of fact,
you know, the Harris campaign, Greg, as we know, had
gobs of money. Yeah, Donald Trump came nowhere near the

(28:54):
money they had, but they were advising him get to
social media, get to the influencers, you know, and talk
to them like he did with Joe Rogan. And apparently
it was his son Baron who was saying, Dad, you
want to talk to those young kids like me out there,
go on social media because that's where they are. That
may change, Greg, I think future political campaigns, it's not

(29:15):
going to be the money as much as how where
you're headed.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I think that could change. So let me tell you
it takes us a unique person to sit in a
long form podcast. You cannot be measuring every word. You
can't figure out where people are going so you can
lead them there. There's a lot of off the cuff opinions, impressions,
comments that you make that people can take out of,
you know, take it out of context. So it takes
an authentic person to sit in a long form podcast,

(29:39):
especially with the ones that are doing it. They're not
political people. They're comedians, or they're just sports guys, or
they're just they have varying interests.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, they aren't trained journalists.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
So no, and so with all of that different perspective,
if you could sit and talk to them, then you're
you're probably the real deal.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
All right.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
When we come back, we'll talk about the Daniel Penny
story and Manhattan, we'll talk about One on Earth is
going on with Spencer Cox. Someone explain that to us,
will you? The jury deliberations right now? In the case
of Daniel Penny, he is the ex marine who has
been charged with manslaughter now because of what he did
on a subway in protecting someone against a guy who

(30:16):
was you know, mentally ill and threatening to kill people.
Now that was a year ago. He's on trial for
this today. The judge today, what I mean, the the
toughest charge of all was manslaughter, right, yes, and they
couldn't come to an agreement on that, so they you know,
the judge dismissed that, but there what two or three
other charges kind of related to that that the jury

(30:36):
is still deliberating on.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
So they so they so they came back and said
they had the first off. Let me just say, this guy,
this poor kid guy, this for Marine Daniel Penny. He
is on a subway. Yeah, and this guy comes. He
has a criminal record. He doesn't know at the time,
but the guy's on drugs. He's out of his mind.
He says, someone's gonna die. I don't care. He's talking threatening.

(30:58):
You've had people shoved off of those platforms in those
subways in front of oncoming trains by people. There's been
violence happening in these subways in New York City all
during this time that this moment happens. There are women
on this train and people that are on there. When
he comes in out of his mind, this marine, this
former marine. He subdues this guy and stops him. There

(31:19):
are guys. There are men standing around him trying to
help him with hold him down un till they can
get to the police. The police arrive, he stays, the
has not died. When he's there. The guy passes away.
I cannot even imagine in my mind how that is
a criminal offense. What that man did and trying to
protect the people inside that train. There's no version of that.

(31:40):
So the first charge is manslaughter charge. They can't find
a agree. I don't know how they don't unanimously say
not guilty, but they don't, so they toss it. The
prosecutor says, okay, we'll drop it because we want to
see if we can get this new charge or the
second charge called criminally negligent homicide, which carries a maximum
punishment of four years in prison. Can we get him

(32:02):
on that now? Come on, I mean, if this man
goes to jail for stopping someone that was drained, he
had a criminal record, rod he had assaulted a sixty
seven year old woman just not that long prior to
this happening. This guy was dangerous. He sounded dangerous. He
was dangerous. He was held at bay so that he

(32:23):
didn't harm anyone as he said he was going to,
and the police come, he stays to give himself life.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
My thought is the poor guy thinks he's probably a hero.
He probably stepped up and helped everybody. He doesn't ever
imagine that I'm now a suspect in a criminally negligent homicide.
And so he doesn't have a lawyer. He's just explaining
what happened. And this guy's life is the attorney's fees.
If this does become a hungary on the other charges,

(32:50):
this lunatic DA is going to try him again, Yeah,
and he's going to have to come He doesn't have
the money, yeah, to have to defend himself for help
many people. If he goes to jail ors found guilty
of this, good luck finding anyone when someone's being attacked,
a good samaritan that wants to try and help someone
not be killed. When if you're going to go to
jail for trying.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, there are two other things on this story, Greg,
you touched on it briefly there a moment ago, but
a lot of people are saying he should have had
an attorney with him when he went and talked to police.
But I what we talked about this earlier, saying he
didn't think he was in trouble. No, he was just
trying to help somebody and protect some people. So he
goes and talks to police. Right now. The interesting there's

(33:30):
so many interesting things on this story. But it was
either yesterday or the day before the Mayor of New
York actually came out. Greg in a kind of a
roundabout way and defended Daniel Penny, saying, we've got a
big problem in this city. We've got a lot of
people running around who are mentally ill in this city today,
and you know what do we do about him? We

(33:52):
need to come up with some sort of solution to it.
You've been to New York. It has been years since
I've been to New York. But I tell you what,
you walked this streets of New York, You're going to
see some strange, scary people.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
My son from twenty to twenty two, twenty twenty to
twenty twenty two, I was serving his mission there, okay,
Spanish speaking mission, and I'm watching because now my kid's there,
I'm watching the news a little closer in that area,
and I'm I kid you not. The amount of people
that are being thrown up, shoved, just shoved right in
front of oncoming trains was unbelievable to me. So I
every Monday when I'm talking to my son, I'm saying,

(34:25):
you keep your back against the a wall of some
sort before that train comes to a stop in the
doors open, because it's bizarre. Holding you don't know what
I'm seeing out here. That's happening, whether you know it
or not, it's happening all the time. If I'm saying
this out here in Utah and in this window of time,
this guy walks in a train, and this guy wants
to says someone's gonna die, and he's being threatening this way,
I don't know what you're supposed to do other than

(34:46):
try to prevent people from being harmed. He's a marine,
he was a marine, he's a veteran.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
If this, if Daniel Penny is found guilty, okay, you
know what's going to happen all around the country when
people say somebody in distress, they want to step up
and help them. Does that go away anymore? Can we
not be a country that looks out for other people?
Because that's what the jury in New York could be
sending a message, don't.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
You dare We have always believed I would be so
critical if a guy walked in there and was threatening everyone,
and you had a young man like this or someone
that had the ability to prevent someone from being violent
and harming someone, and they just stood and watched or
just took their phone out and filmed it instead of
doing something about it. I would think that's the crime
to watch someone go and assault someone and just just
watch it like it's a spectator sport. But honestly, there

(35:36):
was a quote from a New York former, a New
York Police Department inspector, that said, Daniel Penny is a
young man spending thousands on attorneys fees. He faces a
civil case and a district attorney's office that has chosen
ideology over law enforcement, and may well try retry him
if he gets a mistrial, his liberty remains at risk.
This is not justice.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Well, the prosecutor in this you remember, she bragged about
how she got a man off who had killed an
older man, killed an older man, and she got him
off because she felt sorry not for the victim, but
for the murderer. For Kranella. He's had a tough day.
You know, things are tough right now, and he was

(36:18):
you know, he stole his money because it's okay to
steal money if you need it, if you need to
take care of your family. Uh huh, not the roles
we live on in this country. But the prosecutor in
this case bragging about how she gets people off who well,
they're just having a bad day. They need some help,
So go ahead and beat up.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Somebody somebody, sure, No, is there no poetic justice in
this world where she could face someone like this in
a subway? You know, this guy, he had an active warrant.
That sixty seven year old woman I mentioned that was
in a subway. Yeah, that that happened. That happened in
the same place or same type of place. I'm telling
you that whether it's this DA or anyone else, if
they had a had a them, there's their child, any

(36:59):
of them were being three. I just wonder if they
would think that anyone that would want to intervene and
help protect them would be a criminal, that they would
want to go and spend their time trying with the
weight of the city prosecutorial power put in jail. Give
me a break. I feel so badly for this young man,
and I just I'm telling you I pray this this
jury or whoever's making it. I don't know if it's

(37:20):
someone's holding out that wants to find him guilty and
the rest don't, or if it's the other way around.
But whatever happens here, this guy did nothing wrong. I
don't care what else is ever testified in that hearing.
I know enough to know when you intervene when someone
like this is trying to harm people, you're not on
the wrong side. That's called a good samaritan in my book.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, what I don't understand greg in this as well
is wait a minute here. They can't find him. They
can't come to an agreement on the most severe charge right, Well,
there are some other charges there. So do they feel
the pressure, Well, we've got to find them guilty on
something because if not, we'll get roasted.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, get this.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
This is where that's what it appears to me that
they are just bound and determined to fine Daniel Penny
guilty of something so they can say, see, you can't
do this in New York.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, there's so they think that this could be a
subject for mistral. They called an Allen charge. This is
where the judge brings the jury in and says, look, well,
this is gonna get retrout retried. There's gonna be a
new jury that's gonna come in here, and they're gonna
hear everything that you've already heard. You have, You've been
a thoughtful and delivered of jury. You have to come
to animalist decision because who's going to come in your place,

(38:28):
that's gonna see anything different than you're seeing it. You're
gonna have to come to an agreement. Well, there's this
has been on appeal in the past, where they've said, look,
the judge is coercing them. For the reasons. You've said, Oh,
I got pressure. I've been five days on this useless case.
I got to get home. I my life. That's been
my weekend, you know. And I'm just I just think
that that that that judge forcing them to make that

(38:50):
decision that they can't come to on their own. I
don't know, It's just another ridiculous part of this whole story.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I am so with you on that. Where in America
or where does it say that the judge has to
force a jury to come up with a decision. Yes,
if they can't, they can't.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
That's right, I know. I just I'm watching that lay
it play out, and I'm just wondering to myself. I mean,
I just think you'd want people to help each other
if there's someone at risk, and this is the quintessential
case of that. It's not like he misunderstood who the
guy was, or he heard him wrong, or he was right. Yeah,

(39:28):
in his eye spotted us a situation that truly was dangerous.
The guy was on drugs at the time, a synthetic
marijuana that makes you it's like a stimulant. He's assaulted
a sixty seven year year old woman in a subway.
Before he saw the situation accurately, he had a motive
to intervene and stop this man. I don't know what

(39:50):
we're talking about after that.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
And he is a marine who's trained to help people, Yes,
and that's what he was trying to do. You know,
We've had a good discussion on this. I'd like to
hear from our listeners on this. Where do we go
from this? What do you think about? What do you
think about the judge telling the jury you got to
come up with a decision, go back in there and
come up with a decision or a jury even thinking well,
you haven't got him on the worst one, but maybe

(40:12):
we'll get him on something else. I mean, that's not
the way America should not supposed to be that not
supposed to be that way. I want to get your
thoughts on this. Eight eight eight five seven oh eight
zero one zero triple eight five seven oh eight zero
one zero or on your cell phone dial pound two
fifty and say, hey, Rod, your calls and comments coming
up on the Rodding Great Show.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
One of our listeners sent me a message. This guy
who was trying to hurt all these people, that this marine,
Daniel Penny, you know, stopped and intervened to stop him.
The guy that ultimately died, his father is the one
that's suing him.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Civilly, Yeah, he's suing him, civilly.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I'm going to tell you what. I want to find
that father. I want to talk to him. He's out
of his mind, Yeah he is, he is.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
All right, we're getting your reaction to this. What do
you think? What do you make of all of this?
Eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero
on your cell phone, Dal pound two fifty and say,
hey Ron.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Let's go to our phones and listen find out from
our listeners what they think about all this. Let's go
to Sean and Roy. Sean, thank you for joining us
here on the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (41:11):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 8 (41:12):
How are you good?

Speaker 9 (41:15):
You know it's it's our duty as Americans. The step
being then help people if somebody's getting hurt. There's no
there's no way I would allow somebody to get hurt.
You know, there's I should not be charged with anything.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I sean, I agree. I mean, what's happened to our
good Samaritan laws? Where you do you come in? I
mean what happened to stick up for the little guy
in gal There there were people that could not stick
up for themselves. If this guy does what he says
when he gets on the train, going to.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Start yelling, I'm gonna kill y'all. I don't care to die.
Someone's going to die.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I don't care. I can in prison, he says, I
don't care. I'm telling you that that what what man?
Tell me? What American man is gonna watch that and
just sit there and just what get your phone out
and just videotape it and put it online for people
to watch. That's not what we do. And I just
can't believe that this thing is serious. It just it

(42:15):
just fires me.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
The thing and I'm with you all the way on this.
But the thing that's bothering me even more today is
you've got to judge, telling them this jury gotta come
to an agreement, gotta find something right. Okay, I'm on
and dismiss this, but there are other charges. You got
to go back in there and find something. I want
you back in here on Monday. I want you to
deliberate and come up with something.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I know. So then you add all those different variables
into this. These people are trapped like rats. They can't
get out of there. They don't want anything to do
with this case. This case is garbage. They don't want
to do it, and they're being forced to you. Meanwhile,
every crime under the sun's being is being committed in
that town. No one seems to care.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, let's go to Lehigh. Heather wants to weigh
in on this tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. Heather,
how are you? Thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker 11 (42:57):
Hello, I am great, Thanks for taking my call. I
I just think like medically, so as a nurse, I
look at this and I'm like, this guy already had
something in his system. He was on drugs, he was
on something that was already affecting different aspects of maybe
his heart and so yees, just because the guy choked

(43:20):
him out that he didn't pass away from that. There
were other factors at place, So why are they not
looking at that?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I agree with you. I'm trying to find the name
of the drug. But it's a synthetic marijuana that is
a stimulant. And if and by that, even that, by
that description, your heart would race faster, you would be
stimulated by you saw by his conduct he was he
was just you know, lost his mind. So yes, that
should be I'm so glad Heather called. Uh, so that

(43:50):
we know, Let's go to Mark and West Jordan, Mark,
thank you for calling it. The Rod, Greg, Greg.

Speaker 12 (43:57):
How you doing Doell?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Hey, Rod and Greg?

Speaker 13 (44:00):
Good.

Speaker 12 (44:01):
Yeah, he was just calm to make the point, you know,
there's not ability for some of these people. There was
a story back in like a couple of weeks ago
in Salt Lake City where a woman had to call
the police to go with her to escort her to
pick up some of her belongings that was court ordered
to return to her from her ex and when her

(44:25):
and the police officer arrived, the man pulled a gun
on the police officer. There was arguing and then a
gun was pulled. The police officer unfortunately had to take
the man's life. But the comment that was made by
a bystander was and that was played on the news,
actually was well, there's just not too much insensitivity towards

(44:46):
mental illness. And it's notty towards mental illness.

Speaker 8 (44:50):
It's this, This.

Speaker 14 (44:53):
Police officer's life was threatened, and so and these people's
lives were threatened, and so we have every right to
defend our lives and our well being and the safety
of others.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
You were spot on, Mark, and I do remember that story,
and you're right, I mean criticizing the police officer for
defending himself this individual who unfortunately lost his life and
confronting the police officer with his gun in his hand.
Mentally ill, I mean, it's not an excuse for killing somebody.
I just don't agree with that.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Look, and I again, let's just go back to empathy.
This prosecutor, if she was in that subway and was
being threatened, or if she had a child that was
he threatened. Yeah, I mean, does she really think everyone
should just watch while a duranted person comes and says
everyone's going to die? And I don't care if I
spend the rest of my life in prison and come
straight at her. What would she have people do if

(45:47):
there was someone that physically could prevent that from happening.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you, But Greg, again, we keep
on dancing around this. This is another issue in this
country that we are afraid to address and talk about,
and that is mental illness. Yeah, I mean we we
aren't having a discussion. What do we do about this?
You know how many years ago was it now that
you heard? I think the term was we're going to
try and mainstream those who are metally ill, put them

(46:13):
back in society, let them function in society. They were
closing all of these various you know, clinics or whatever
to help the metally ill. And you know, and we
have ignored a real issue in this country. We're unafraid
to do something about it.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Here's my thing, Rod, who knows when this person gets
on the subway? T are you threatening to kill people?
What that background? Even? Oh you don't you? No one knows,
no one knows you're you? You and the person has
a history of doing is you've got an active warrant? Yeah,
let's go, let's.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Start all right, more coming up, we've had time. Get
one more call in. Let's go to Brian and Bluffdale. Tonight, Brian,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show?

Speaker 15 (46:53):
Gentlemen, I believe this is just a George Floyd. Repeat,
I think Judge is afraid to be castigated as any
a racist by allowing the white person to go free.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, no, I agree, I hate well, I don't want
the George George Floyd aftermath, but the but the political
agenda and mentality behind all this is the same where
where the criminals the victim, and the victim is the
criminal and.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
The victim the victim was black, Daniel Penny is white,
and certainly in New York And you're right, Greg, they
are trying to make this a racial issue because they
know that puts pressure on the system to punish somebody
for this. And that's why I think they're trying.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
To color has nothing to do with this moment, nothing,
nothing at all.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
All Right, more of your calls coming up here on
the Rodding Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k NRS. I'm not off track on this one.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
You don't have an opinion on this one. I want
to know why I don't know. I don't like I
don't like bringing topics up where I don't have it
figured out. I don't like being confused. I like to know.
I don't I'm not here to express my confusion. I'm
here to help our listeners understand things, unpack what in
the world's going on in this world? And this is

(48:13):
a this is a Rubik's Cuba. For me, this is
the Da Vinci code. I don't understand this, this topic
you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Maybe our listeners can help us understand this a little
bit more, all right, because I can't figure it out either,
what we're talking about. Let me set this up for
you a little bit. Here we have Spencer Cox, our governor,
yes one one in November, with only fifty three percent
of the vote, Ye lowest ever right for.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
With Phil Lymon's right in being the largest largest votes
of a write in maybe ever now in America.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Now for a long long time. He said he didn't
like Donald Trump long time yet long time. And he
said he didn't vote for him. Yeah, am I reading
that right?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
He had said both. But yes, his last statement was
he had never voted.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
But then after the president was shot at in Butler, Pennsylvania. Yes,
apparently he had a revelation or something my heart change
of heart, that's a way to put it. And he
said he fell sorry for the guy, kind of didn't he?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, want to support I like that.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
So he had a meeting or they met somewhere was it?
Where was international cemetery? I think that's okay, okay, And
all of a sudden, he's kind of indicating that he
supports the president. Matter of fact, he came out last
week and he said, I will support the president's mass
deportation plans. Yes, okay. Now in his budget he's saying

(49:28):
two things. I want to cut social security taxes here
in the you know, I support that effort. And he
says I also want to go after higher education and
cut now. Yeah, and cut now. Both of these are
darlings to the conservative movement in this state. Correct, Why
is he changing tune?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
This is what I don't see, This is what you
don't I don't like to bring this up if I
can't give him the answer. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
When he was first elected, his first time, yes okay,
I described him as he wants to be a different
type of politician. He's going to and get along with everybody.
He's going to do things differently.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
And I think as he did things different differently governor
pronoun at the time you know he got you know,
he there were a lot of conservatives who were very
angry with him nationally and locally. Right, Yes, you and
I were at the convention earlier this year when they
bowed the guy for crying out loud. Yes, okay, so
they're very upset. So you know, if you're going to pivot,

(50:24):
like you said, you pivot before an election, why is
he pivoting now?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Well, there was a bit of a pivot. There is
a bit of a pivot after he after he vetoed
the bill that would ban boys from playing girls sports,
and he vetoed that bill with a very long letter
explaining why, and then the legislature and really in record time,
came back and overrode that veto within days of the veto.
And that was just around the time too, with the

(50:49):
with the pronoun pronouncing his pronounce to his student going viral.
Is that was probably a low point. It really caught
the attention of National Voice, national conservative voices. I think
Tucker Carlson started at his show that night with his
monologue about eleven minutes of talking about Governor Special Cox
from Utah. So that was a that was a maybe,

(51:11):
you know, that's when maybe a low point. But then
I think he as his election came closer his re election,
he began to pivot and start following I would argue
a lot of governors follow the legislature, which I think
is conservative by nature. The tax cuts, the things that
they look to do, very supportive. But now that the
election has taken place and that's over, and he has
said many times he has only interest in serving two terms.

(51:32):
There's not a third term in his future. Yeah, going
harder now, yeah, harder. I don't understand that unless unless
I'm to believe that he's had a true change of heart.
And he said he wants to be more conservative to
reflect the state of which he is the governor. Well,
maybe that's it.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Let me go back. He served last year as the
head of the National Government Association, right, Yeah, and he
started this whole thing disagreeing better. Yes, I think that
was aimed at conservatives. I think he was telling conservatives,
shut up.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I think you're right. Only I think you're right because
I think his favorite, uh appearances were on CNN or MSNBC.
I mean, he had he was certainly wasn't on Fox News.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I don't know if he's ever been on Fox News.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
He's been on CNN quite a bit. Or but you're
not getting on there with this budget. This budget's not
getting you on CNN. This one where's cutting where he's
cutting higher ed. He's going to make sure all of
our seniors don't pay their don't have to get double
taxed on Social Security.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I'm trying to figure out what's up with the guy.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
And you don't know either. I'll just say this, I
like the policies. I love that we're cutting. I don't
know what he's up to.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Why does it help me?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Because you get so security in your Yeah, getting a
tax cuts that tax cut helps you, well, I hope
so yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yeah, But see what I'm saying. I mean, I keep
on seeing that this week he rolled out of his
big budget and all this, and he meets with all the.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Events promoting nuclear, which you know, he'sclear Democrats usually hate nuclear.
And he's like, if you if you hate nuclear, I
don't even respect your you're not even a real environmentalist
if you hate nuclear, because it's clear the cleanest power
we have, which is correct, that is a correct statement.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, here's what happened. What I think when he met
with Trump, Trump puts something in his drink. Now the
governor doesn't drink, but maybe had apples.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Cider or so. I mean to tell you, not sure
if he really has embraced the make America great again,
good for America first, you know approach. I love it.
I love it. I'm telling you this is why President
Trump won is because he's representing every day Americans and
I want our governor to represent every day Utah's Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
But is he being a typical politician in doing all this?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Now?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I love Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I like I said, I'm in the awkward position of
not knowing budget and I like knowing. That's why I
didn't want bring up because I couldn't give an answer.
Well neither can I.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I'm just I'm just trying to figure it out the callers.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I think our listeners. I think listeners will know or
can at least explain. Eight eight eight five seven zero
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven zero
eight zero one zero. Are we seeing our governor with
a change of heart and a and a more right
of center leadership? What's the stance? What's he up to
or something else? What's he up to? I don't know?

(54:24):
Do do do do do do do I'll take it though.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Eight five seven oh eight zero one zero your calls
and Cummings coming up on the Run and Greg show.

Speaker 16 (54:33):
My opinion is governor pronoun once. The further is political career,
become a senator.

Speaker 9 (54:41):
Or something like that.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
You know, I think he's just I think, Jose, he's
a smarter politician than taking on Mike Lee.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
If you want my opinion, I don't think he dares
if Mike Lee were to be appointed to a Supreme
Court and that was a vacant spot. Jose, I think
that you might be right.

Speaker 16 (54:58):
My thing is well to disagree with you there, Rod,
because if you look down his record, he's not that smart.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
All right, say we're here to slam Ley. Well, yeah,
we are back to the phones.

Speaker 8 (55:13):
We go.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Let's go to Eric and Hey Eric, how are you
welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Hey guys, thanks for letting me on again.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
You're welcome.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Governor Cox has been spineless since the day he took office.
The country just had a massive red wave and he's
blown along with the wind like he always.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Does being a politician, Right Eric, Yeah, I mean he's.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Always followed whichever direction he thought was going to be,
you know, upset the least people and make him the happiest.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
All right, he could be doing what politicians do, read
the winds and flow with them.

Speaker 17 (55:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, let's go to Ben and Leighton. Ben, thank you
for joining us here on the Rod and Greg Show.
What say you?

Speaker 18 (56:01):
Thanks, gentlemen. I appreciate your show. You guys are awesome.
I believe personally that Governor Cox saw how unpopular he
was at the rn C convention here in Utah, and
I think that he is trying to save his reputation
and make sure he doesn't go down as the worst

(56:24):
and most unpopular governor in the history of Utah. That's
my personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
All right, Thank you, Ben.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I would add to Ben's to Ben's point, because I
think he's right. I think that that you can add
to that to the very low, the low in comparison
re election percentage that Governor Cox got versus Republican governors
in their second term, how high of a percentage that
typically is. I think that's that probably is to Ben's point,
needs he feels he needs to improve upon that.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
You and I were both of the rn C convention,
and not the RNC but the state convention, Yes, where
he spoke and he got booed did it. Were you
surprised at that?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You know, I didn't expect the boom. But what I
actually thought was amusing, which I was amused by, is
he was almost like a WWF wrestler where he was like,
bring it on, bringing on.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
You know, he handled it pretty well, I thought.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I thought he kind of he kind of doubled down
on what they were boone about. But I thought it
was better than cowering or not showing up. You know,
Rodney wouldn't show up. He knew he'd get boat booted
and he wouldn't even show at.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
This very very very very good point. But the thing
that bugged me what Cox came back and said to
the crowd he took credit for everything that the legislature did.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, well he didn't it he did?

Speaker 1 (57:32):
All right, John and Bluffdale tonight with rod and Greg. Hi, John,
how are you.

Speaker 13 (57:37):
Sure thanks for allowing me on? I think I remember
dem R. Cox was trying to block or say it
was illegal or unconstugal to check the signatures that he
had received. Uh huh, y on the you become a governor.
I think he's just trying to get people to forget
that and just go along with the crowd.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
He could be doing that. I think he's reading the
wins and trying to change Greg. We'll I have to
see if it continues. But I was surprised, especially when
he you know, he's talking about let's get tough with
the higher education, let's cut social security. You know, one
of the benefits of climate change would be nuclear energy,
and those are all strong conservative positions and kind of
surprise me. Still trying to figure this out.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So yeah, well, well listeners, Look, the listeners are putting
out the breadcombs for us to follow. They yeah, they
they know what what know?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
You don't have any all right? Our number three, Rod
and Greg headed your way on this. Thank Rod and
Greg gets Friday. Stay with us. Our number three is
coming up. Let's talk about mass deportations. This is one
of the plans that the president has to make a

(58:48):
promise to the American people that he would get a
hold of the immigration crisis we have in this country today.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
He was doing a great job in his first term.
The job is probably, I don't know, a thousand times
harder now after that Biden Harris administration. So there's so
much work to be done. But if it's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen now. Yep.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Well, joining us on our Newspaker line right now is
Mark Gregorian. Mark's a good friend of the show. He's
executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. He wrote
about what it is going to take when it comes
to mass deportations. Mark, thanks for joining us tonight. Exactly
what is it going to take, Mark, to launch a
mass deportation in this country.

Speaker 8 (59:23):
They're going to have to do a whole bunch of things. Obviously,
one of the things is they're actually gonna have to
start rounding up some criminals and throwing them out and
make sure people see that. But the other thing that
is actually kind of important is getting people to leave
on their own by seeing what's happening to people who

(59:45):
don't leave on their own. In other words, remember what
Romney called self deportation. And the way you do that
is not just arresting the criminals because most people aren't
criminals obviously, or even just arrest the people with final
orders of final deportation orders because they're not all criminals.
But they've had their day in court and they just

(01:00:07):
ignored it. They ignored the order to leave. What they
need to do, especially on top of the other stuff
is work site enforcement. They need to start raiding employers
that are hiring illegal aliens and making it clear that
the party is over that even if you're not a
rapist or a murderer, which again most of them aren't,

(01:00:30):
you need to pack up and get out. And so
if they combine the kind of active deportation stuff with
enforcement measures that make clear that people really need to
leave before ICE starts knocking at their door, you can
see a significant reduction in the illegal population. I mean,

(01:00:50):
nothing's permanent, it's not you know, Biden broke stuff and
you don't you can't just fix it all. It's not
all going to be fixed, but you can undo at
least a significant amount of the damage that he's done.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
One of the points that I'm so glad to hear
that you're sharing because I worry that the mass deportation
and getting the criminals out of here gets oversimplified, and
so I'm worried that the the the expectations will be
unrealistic on how we get it done. One of the
things that you mentioned is that we've got to look
at these detention facilities, whether it's our county jails, military bases,

(01:01:26):
whatever it may be, correctional facility, state correctional facilities. Right
now there seems to be all there's civil detentions. How
is this civil? When they break the law and come
into this country illegally, it should be a criminal detention,
but it does hamstring like a jail. They are not
designed for civil detention, as those contracts that ICE has.

(01:01:47):
So what is it Is it practical to say that
we could do something with the definitions of detention centers
so that we could leverage more of our facilities to
hold people that are here illegally. You mentioned it, but
how do you see that rolling out?

Speaker 8 (01:02:01):
Well, you can in fact hold people who aren't criminals
in like county jails. It's just that they're not being
held for criminal charges. And so I remember I've been
to I was at a county jail number of years
ago in Alabama that had a separate section for ICE,
you know, and ICE paid for it. And what they

(01:02:21):
did have people who were sort of ordinary working stiffs
who were just caught up and getting deported. And they
had some guys there who were criminals but who had
finished whatever sentences they had and now were being held
by ICE to be removed. And what they did, and
I think this is not unique in you know, for ICE,

(01:02:42):
is they would have the detainees basically color coded so
that the least dangerous people were never out of their
cells at the same time as the most dangerous people.
So the point is you can do that, and you
can use regular county jail facilities for people who are

(01:03:04):
in civil detention until you know their their number comes
up or their visa comes through from their home country,
so we can boot them out and send them back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Well, let me ask you, Mark, is can they roll
this out quickly or is it going to take a
little time? You mentioned earlier there is so much broken
under the Biden plan. I mean, can we put that
back together and come with a new plan at the
same time.

Speaker 8 (01:03:31):
Some of it you can. Some of it they can do,
you know, immediately. Other things will take a little time.
I mean they can. There's no reason they can't do
some work site raids, you know in January, you know
what I mean. Now, it's not there's really no point
to just sort of running around randomly picking places to raid.
In other words, you want to if you're going to do,
say a raid in a factory, you're going to want

(01:03:53):
to raid someplace where you've got some intel that they've got,
not just illegals maybe, but you know, like under age
illegal so that the news stories are particularly you know,
strong and send a strong message. Other things, you know,
like getting more employers to use the Everify system so
that the legitimate employers don't end up hiring illegals with

(01:04:17):
fake documents. That's going to take a little more time,
but you know, they can start right away with some
things as long as they start the process of doing
other things you know that will take a little longer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
To get done. So mark one of the things in
Utah that we're confronting our Venezuelan gangs. They're organized, there's
been a high population just influx of Venezuelan's and so
my question is if Venezuela won't and you note this
in this this article here, if Venezuela won't take them back,
what is the what is at least a short term

(01:04:50):
way that you would deport Venezuelan gang members that you
know are here committing crimes, have committed crimes. Where do
they go if Venezuela won't take them back?

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
Well, that's a good question, and that really is going
to be one of the significant, sort of longer term issues.
But there are tools you can use. I mean, first
of all, Venezuela does take some deportees back, or at
least some Venezuelans get deported. Some of them may be
deported to like Colombia or Peru or Brazil where they

(01:05:21):
already had legal status, because a lot of these people
are not coming from Venezuela. They've been living for years
in other countries. It's just that they have Venezuelan nationality.
The other thing, though, is the President's going to have
to decide is it worth loosening up on some sanctions,
for instance, for Venezuela if they agree to take more

(01:05:43):
of their people back. So there may be some sort
of diplomatic given take here. And the question is what's
more important punishing Venezuela or getting these gang members out
of the United States? For me, it's door number two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
On our newsmaker line. Mark Gregorian from the Center for
Immigrant Studies talking about mass deportations. It's going to be
a tricky one, greg, but I think the President is
determined to get something done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Well, they're already identifying the pinch the things are going
to make it difficult. We're already discussing now and it's December.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I love it, Yeah, all right, all right, more
coming up on the Rod and Greig Show, our number
three right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five
nine K and are as well, let's talk about saving
friendships as well as being able to talk politics. I
don't know if that's even possible, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
With some people you think saying, well, it's hard, let's
find out more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Joining us on our newsmaker line right now is Alexandria Hudson.
She likes to go by Lexi. She's an author a
board of advisors on the Pro Human Foundation. You're talking
right now, Lexi, with two guys who talk politics all
the time. Are we in save territory right now?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I'm not a lot. I'm saying, I don't know what
to do?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
How do we get around?

Speaker 17 (01:06:53):
You know, you're not alone in that In that way,
there are some people in my life which it affected
me personally that I put a moratorium on talking politics,
and it means that we don't actually talk about talk
very often at all. But the reality is that politics
has become very important to many people. As the stakes
have gotten higher in public life, that this has become,

(01:07:13):
you know, the be all end all for many people,
and with increasing frequency, people are ending lifelong friendships, family
relationships with people, which is especially painful around the holidays.
You know, we're just coming away from Thanksgiving and Christmas
is right around the corner.

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
And that's not how it should be.

Speaker 17 (01:07:34):
Politics is not as important as family and friendships. And
I hope that looking back to history, the story I
tell about Jefferson and Adams, the founding Frontemies, if you will,
their story reflects that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
So you know, I was raised by my grandmother, my mom,
and my grandmother had a very a strict rule of
you don't discuss politics and religion and mixed company, and
that all makes it made perfect sense to me most
of my life. But as I've gotten older, and obviously
I've been involved in politics and commentary for a long time,
there seems to be a sentiment. I don't share this,
but there's a sentiment out there that there is one

(01:08:08):
worldview and if you don't agree with it, then you
are suffering from some either intellectual or moral failing. And
so when I get that vibe from someone, I really
feel a compulsion to explain why I am not lacking
in intellectual or moral failings by having the positions that
I do. So how do you how would you suggest

(01:08:29):
help me out? How do I confront that without engaging
in a discussion about politics? If I if involuntarily I
get that observation made in a filing, I know what
I do.

Speaker 18 (01:08:42):
It's hard.

Speaker 17 (01:08:43):
It's so hard, exactly. You know, I've experienced this as
well with a loved one, and you know today and
I agree probably you know, a ninety five percent of
things right. And yet what they're concerned about is that
I have like an insufficient deal or passion for it,
Like it's not the thing that I want to talk
about all the time, and it's the only thing that

(01:09:03):
they want to talk about, and and and that they see,
they see my you know, desire to talk about other
things as you know, a litmus test. You know, I
don't have the same same priority as the same passion,
Like I'm insufficiently in agreement with them. And it's like that,
that too, is emblematic. I think of how many people
today have misplaced their meaning in politics and public life.

(01:09:25):
They've allowed that, they've allowed that to become the most
important thing to them at the expense of many other
important things in life, such as such as family relationships
and friendships. And so how I've handled it is to
is to simply, you know, pivot. As soon as the
conversation you know, devolves down a specific rabit hole or
or veers to the realm of the political I immediately

(01:09:46):
changed the subject, you know, to my kids or too,
you know, something I've read recently and another another area
of shared love or interest, because I don't want to
be I don't want to be yelled at. I don't
want to be reprimanded for being insufficiently faced full, you know,
to the religion of their political their political personation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
You know, I heard Uncle Fred, she lets or she
she doesn't have an answer for us. She's so she
can't even answer. She We've just caught her. She doesn't
have a good answer. So she has to change the
subject because she just she's so wrong. She doesn't know
what to say next. See see how that just happened?
Did you see how that just happened?

Speaker 17 (01:10:25):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:10:26):
I talk about this in my book The Soul of Civility,
Timeless Principles to heal society and ourselves that at its best,
friendship is the venue in which we can have these
conversations about across these differences. Because ideally fundamental love, affection, trust,
you know, history, and and and and shared bonds, these
are the things that can sustain dialogue about really sensitive, personal,

(01:10:50):
controversial subject matters. And yet that that is I think,
you know what is particularly concerning to me about the
apocalyptic tenor of our current moment and just the way
in which our division. Yes, it's threatening to destabilize their democracy,
hyperpartisanship and extremism across the political spectrum, yes, but but
the real crisis to me that nobody is talking about

(01:11:13):
is the crisis at the personal level that these these friendships,
we already have a crisis of alienation and isolation, and
we're deeply lowly we're depressed and and and and suffering
as a result. And this is a part of it,
I think. Is allowing politics to displace these friendships and
these and these family relationships, we're making you know, an

(01:11:33):
already severe problem worse.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Like say, let me ask you this. I don't know
if you touch on this in your book, but is
setting ground rules does that help at all. I mean,
can you go into a holiday party or a gathering
with friends and say, Okay, here are the ground rules,
let's just not talk talk politics. Does that help at all?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
I think so.

Speaker 17 (01:11:55):
I think that if someone has a proven track record
of not being able to be a to speak amicably
about a subject without just evolving into a set of
cans talking points, I think it's perfectly okay to say
to yourself, even if it's just a mental, you know,
note to self like I am not going to engage
with this person at on anything substantive or on any

(01:12:16):
or on X y Z subject matter. And I think
that's perfectly okay. Or if if that doesn't work, if
the you know, implicit boundary is traversed and not respected
frequently enough, you could just tell that person it's like,
you know what, I don't want to talk about that.
Let's talk about something else. Some people need to kind
of be beat over the head about that sometimes multiple times.

(01:12:39):
There's one person in my life I'm thinking out that
it took a thousand times, and it took me even
you know, not even talking to them for a period
of time because not not not that I didn't I
didn't mean to cut them off. But it just it
just kind of effectively became that because the moment we
would talk on the phone, within thirty seconds, every conversation
would be these can talking points.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
And that was so painful.

Speaker 17 (01:13:00):
It was painful to go almost months without talking to
this person because I love them deeply, and yet it
wasn't a conversation. It was barely a friendship or even
a relationship because they just wanted to yell at me.
They just wanted to tell, you know, talk talk their
talking points at me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
And it was the same thing.

Speaker 17 (01:13:14):
It was like there was nothing surprising here. An English
philosopher called them Michael Oakshot. He said that conversation is
an unrehearsed intellectual adventure. And there was nothing unrehearsed, intellectual
or adventurous about any conversation I had with this person.
It was the same thing every single time. I was like,
we don't need to talk about this, you know, like
I know exactly what you're going to say, and if

(01:13:36):
there's no doubt and you don't even you don't want
to hear what I say. You just want I could
see a cardboard, you know box for all you care.
You just want to like vent your spleen and that
that's just not productive. I don't want to you know,
see my mental energy and consciousness to you. So that
was very sad. Things have gotten better and then you know,
they respected that boundary in the last very recently several
weeks and that's allowed you know, even just space and

(01:13:58):
silence to get to just you know, be together and
we love each other, but to not have the toxicity
of of of politics, you know, cloud out in displace
the really beautiful relationship that we have on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Our newsmaker line. Lexi Hudson, she's an author. She mentioned
her book check it out if you want to find
out about how to have a friendship in tenstry politically.
I don't know if it's possible, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I don't know now, Yeah, it's it's like we said,
there's a lot of good information shared there by Lexi
and I just think that if you have some respect
for one another, there's you can only go so far
in these discussions, and you should be able to sense, yeah,
where that's got to end.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Just back it off, all right, more coming up or
listen back. Friding segments coming up next right here on
The Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine KNRS with a Supreme Court hearing this
case on this Tennessee law which protects children from being
mutilated by their parents or advocate if they think you're
a boy or a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, that's incredibly important Supreme Court hearing. I like where
the questioning went and where I think the court was
signaling it's going to go. But how sad we have
to have a straight faced conversation about whether it's okay
chemically cast reading. Yeah, yeah, and they're coming on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
There was like twenty six, twenty eight states in the
country that ban such treatments. Tennessee, that law is being challenged,
but we have one here in Utah, very similar, maybe
even a little bit stronger, put together by state Senator
now Congressman elect Mike Kennedy. And we had a chance
to talk with Mike earlier this week as part of
our Listen back Fighting segments. We all want to let
you hear that again, and we asked Mike as we

(01:15:31):
began the conversation as to how important this ruling from
the Supreme Court will be when it comes to the
debate over transgenderism.

Speaker 19 (01:15:39):
It's a really important case. And I think we all know.
And by the way, thanks for having me on, Rod
and Greg, it's great being with you again. But it's
an important case. We've all known this was going to
go to the Supreme Court at some point, so at
this very day it's being argued and we'll see how
the Supreme Court goes. I hope they're going to go
on the right side of things and find this Tennessee
law to be actually constitutional and that Tennessee should be

(01:15:59):
able to wrig as they see fit in this important area.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
So an interesting exchange. It's just a clip I heard
the Solicitor General for the State of Tennessee was arguing
that these are irreversible treatments for with questionable outcomes in
terms of the health of a child whose gender would
be transitioned, and just as Soda Mayor interrupted this listener
general to say that every medical procedure, including ingesting aspirin,

(01:16:25):
has risk to it, and so that because there's risk
in taking aspirin, that that shouldn't be a consideration about
the health or irreversible damage. So I don't know, I
don't know if if comparing aspirin to transitioning surgery or
whatever is It sounds silly to me, but let me
ask you, she's trying to make a point that people

(01:16:47):
are being discriminated against. It's not about the danger of
the procedure itself. It's whether someone's being discriminated against or not.
I know you have would have confronted this as a
state senator when you were working this. Our legislation are true,
what would you say about this being a discriminatory law.

Speaker 19 (01:17:05):
Well, we can all guess how Justice Soda Myer is
going to make it and her decision to have so
vote on this, and that's where that question comes from.
For all of us and your listeners, we need to
recognize the important fact we're talking about minors and irrevers
about irreversible nature of these surgeries versus medicines, and she's
talking about a medicine, and what we're talking about is

(01:17:26):
outright surgery that is irreversible once you've done those kind
of procedures on these children, children who are twelve and
fourteen years old. And how do you get consent from
a fourteen year old? They can't in most areas of law,
they can't give consent.

Speaker 9 (01:17:41):
So it's the parent and.

Speaker 19 (01:17:42):
The doctor and a little child who's going along with this?
And so there are multiple legal ramifications of this. And
as our Utah law does, Tennessee does the same thing
for bona fide medical conditions. For example, a for example,
a child had cancer in a certain part that is
implicated in this law, then a doctor could proceed with

(01:18:03):
a surgical procedure as appropriate to deal with the cancer.
But if we're talking about the child's perception of their
gender ideology, that that is something that the state should
appropriately step into, especially when we're talking about minors.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Well, let me ask you this, Mike, But if a
parent is willing to go along with this, what right
does the government have to say to a parent, no,
you can't do this.

Speaker 19 (01:18:24):
That's the same as exactly that. Thanks for that, because
during the passage of our law, we have many laws
where parents' rights are restricted. Parents' rights are not universal
when it comes to their children. We know in our
state that a parent can't give a child alcohol, They
can't consent to their use of any illegal substance, even
if the parent says that they can do it. And
in this case, the doctor and a parent may feel

(01:18:47):
like the child should proceed. My point behind the law
that we passed in twenty twenty three, was that what
is the harm in waiting a few years let this
child he reach the age and majority where they're able
to make these decisions themselves. And the other piece that
we did in this law not only waiting until the
person reaches the age of majority, but also we put
a serious burden on the doctor. We made it such

(01:19:09):
as medical malpractice claims for any procedures, any procedures that
includes medicines as well as surgeries could be filed not
for the three years post procedure, but actually up until
this individual reached twenty five years old. I think the
doctors need to think twice about these things that they're doing,
and if they know that their medical malpractice is the
statute limitations is going to be enhanced in which we

(01:19:31):
did in the state of Utah, the doctor's going to
think twice about consenting a fourteen year old, doing an
immutable surgery on that person and then finding out that
the person's disappointed and filing a lawsuit when they're twenty
three years old that their body parts have been taken
off and they're never coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
So you were state senator when you ran the bill,
I served in the house with you as a state
house member. You're the congressman elect here in Utah. But
I want you to wear a different hat. You're a
family physician, so you have patience, You've lived in You're
a doctor, so have you seen here in our state
has this issue? Have you confronted this issue with patients?

(01:20:07):
And I don't want you to give up any privacy,
But what is this issue like on the ground for
a family doctor as yourself. In terms of these types
of decisions and whether children should make decisions about their
lives or be a part of it as a minor,
it is very difficult.

Speaker 19 (01:20:23):
And I think most of these decisions should be made
in the personal confines of the professional relationship with a caring,
compassionate professional who is respectful of the parent and the
individual the child in this case. And I work collaboratively,
and I have had these conversations in my office with
patients that come in, and I want them to gather

(01:20:43):
as much information. I want them to be thoroughly clear
about the various implications of what they're going to do
if they're going one way or the other. But when
it comes to this, in most cases, I think we
should stand with our parents and help and support them
and making these decisions. One of the struggle that I have,
and I think we saw this with the Tavistock Center
in England, is that once a child and a parent

(01:21:06):
enters the front door of that entity, that it's a
foregone conclusion as to what will happen with that child.
We do not want systems to make decisions, and in
this case, we want freedom for states to regulate in
the health, safety and welfare arena, which they should regulate
as to the individual nature of the doctor patient parent

(01:21:27):
child relationship.

Speaker 17 (01:21:28):
And so in these.

Speaker 19 (01:21:29):
Cases, ideology can drive systems, and systems can drive outcomes
when it comes to parents and children, and I think
we ought to be really careful with the children of
our society. So in our case, the Utah law has
not been litigated, and I'm proud of that fact. With
this Tennessee law and the Supreme Court determinations that are
going to come out of that, I think it'll settle
a question that's really important throughout the country as to

(01:21:51):
what rights do parents have in this area to direct
the care of their children when we're talking about permanent
change on those children's bodies. Piercings as well as tattoos
are the sort of thing in this state that we
regulate with regard to how parents can treat their children,
and it goes on and on. Parental rights are not universal,
and the states should very delicately step in. But in

(01:22:13):
this case, when you're talking about surgeries especially, it's very
clear to me that minors should wait until they are
of age of majority to proceed with these kinds of surgeries.
And I suspect the Supreme Court is actually going to
find that same conclusion and not find that this is
an equal rights protection violation in the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
A lot of countries around the world are backing off
this as you will or where Mike, because simply there's
not enough research to prove that any of this is
very effective in this but the US continues to push
forward for this.

Speaker 19 (01:22:43):
Why the ideology of many doctors and this kind of
starts with the World Professional Professional Association for Transgender Health
WPATHS as well as the Intochronology Society that they have
lockstep moved into this ideology and the science it's out there.
There's a variety of studies that are there. But one

(01:23:04):
of the struggles that I had and I routinely talked
about when we passed our law in the state of
Utah that put a moratorium on these processes, is that
we don't have fifty years worth of evidence. We don't
have these children growing up and find we don't have
the data about how they respond when they've had these
kind of surgeries, or these cross sex hormones or puberty
blocker surgeries, or medicines that have been used. And so

(01:23:26):
when it comes to that, you need long term studies,
especially when it comes to minors, and if we're not sure,
we should just stop because we can cause serious harm
in individuals' lives. And actually, Chloe was one of the
people that came to testify that she's very disturbed by
the things that happened to her when she was a child,
and now she's of the age of majority, and actually

(01:23:46):
she's has filed lawsuits against those that she felt made
decisions for her that were contrary to her long term health.
So I think when it comes to government involvement, we
need to be very careful. I'm entirely in support of that,
but the data is extremely weak based on my review
in this area.

Speaker 8 (01:24:03):
It's not just mine.

Speaker 19 (01:24:04):
I think we're going to see that with the Supreme
Court evaluation here is that the data is weak and
when it comes to our children, when we have weak data,
we ought not to move into new areas because of
the long term implications of children doing these sort of things.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
As part of our Listen Back Friday segment, conversation with
Senator keep on call them, Senator, I'm gonna have change
in congressmen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
It's such a better name representative and the house, you know,
not the House of lords. A senate sees better. He's
better suited for the house, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
He'll do he'll do a great job back there. Mike
Kennedy on our Listen Back Friday segments. More coming up
right here on the rod In Greg Show. Why do
I get a sense I'm going to have a battle
with you in e ray about playing a little bit
at Christmas bumper.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Music because you know you're gonna have a battle. Do
you have a sense people like a day or two
of no wow, that look okay? How about a day
or two?

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Man, we've had another two weeks and now we're off
for the rest of the year. We are we going
to have a fight over there?

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
You do not test the mettle of the chair, right,
and he does, we are part of this rat race.
We know what's going on here and just trying to
take our money out of our pockets.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
All right, let's continue this back Friday. You know, Uh,
Robert F. Kendy Junior, who could become Health and Human
Services director, we hope. You know, he's talked about making
America healthy again. One of the issues, Greg that's been
debated for a long time is fluoride in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Yeah. Yeah, it's an order is around forever. Yeah, I
remember battling on this issue a long long time ago. No,
it's back, baby, it's back. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
We had a chance earlier this week to talk with
Robert McGreevy, he is a reporter for the Daily Color,
about this issue. And I brought up the fact that Robert,
this has been a debate that's been going.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
On for years.

Speaker 7 (01:25:48):
Correct, Yeah, and it has been decades. And really the
main back and forth is it's detractors very in scale
of how harmful they say it is. But they point
to numerous studies talking about decreased levels of IQ and children, osteoporosis, arthritis,

(01:26:08):
bone conditions, and they point to negligible effects on dental
health in the positive, whereas it's the pro side says
it's been a landmark of public health innovation to put
it in public water supplies in preventing cavities. So that's
really the that's the back and forth that's been going
on for, like you said, decades.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
So my question, let's say that RFK was successful in
saying we're as head of the Health Department says, okay,
we're getting rid of it. How prolific is our fluoride
in our drinking water? How many jurisdictions is it in
more jurisdictions than not?

Speaker 8 (01:26:43):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Do you have any idea of what it would take
to remove fluoride from our water system?

Speaker 7 (01:26:48):
Yeah, well so it's a lot. It's about seventy percent
of the countries drinking from community water systems that are fluoridated.
And this is the interesting part of the debate that
I think people aren't necessarily giving credence to, is that
as Secretary of AHHS, he would have no sweeping power
to force communities to remove florar it's in their water supply.

(01:27:09):
It's really just a recommendation and a change in federal
policy that these communities would look to would point to
and say, well, this is the recommendation coming from the AHHS.
But as recently as twenty twelve, the city of Buffalo
voted to take it out. Now they're putting it back in.
In Oregon and Washington, a lot of communities, they've been

(01:27:29):
kind of political struggles over whether or not to have them.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
They go back and forth.

Speaker 7 (01:27:33):
So this is really a community based issue that I
think Robert F. Kennedy Junior is just kind of trying
to paint the information in a position of authority, kind
of using the bully pulpit of the HHS office if
he gets in, to make communities more comfortable, saying well,
the federal government is recommending we don't do this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Robert, you mentioned that the city of Buffalo took it
out and then they put it back in. Do you
know why they put it back in? Was there public
pressure on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Them to do so?

Speaker 9 (01:28:04):
There was.

Speaker 7 (01:28:04):
There was actually a class action lawsuit. There was about
thirty parents who alleged that their children ended up getting
more cavities and that they they were basically suing for
damages for additional dental procedures, fillings and whatnot. That they
pointed to fluoride. The lack of fluoride in the community
water is the reason why their kids had more cavities.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I think big dentistries behind it all. I think they
want the wall floride so they can make all the
money on these kids and they're rotting teeth. No, I'm
just kidding me. It's such an interesting issue because here
in the state of Utah. But it would have been
a long time ago. There was an ongoing debate in
different studies that were put forward. Have we had this
long enough where we wouldn't need competing studies we would

(01:28:46):
just see outcomes. We would see whether we are seeing
the lower IQ, we're seeing some of the side effects
that are just more evident versus they maybe the you know,
tooth decay or cavities or whatever it is. I'm surprised
that we're still fighting over studies. If we've had it
in our system this long, there should be some obvious

(01:29:08):
outcomes that we can spot.

Speaker 7 (01:29:11):
Yeah, you know, I had the same question to the
dentist I spoke to, to the toxicologists I spoke to,
and they all basically said, we are seeing results. And
on the flip side, they kind of pointed to in
terms of results, they pointed to your most European countries
don't florid eate, and yet they have the same cavity
rates that we do. But in terms of actual physical

(01:29:34):
damage that we're seeing, they're pointing to IQ losses in
communities that do florid eight heavily. They're pointing to increased
rates in arthritis, in osteoporosis, and.

Speaker 8 (01:29:45):
Older people as well.

Speaker 7 (01:29:46):
So one guy I spoke to Stuart Cooper. He's a lobbyist,
he's not a scientist, but he runs the website floridaction
dot org. And the point he kind of made that
I thought was interesting was you don't see acute effect.
That Floriad's not something that necessarily would poison you from
one dose, but over the course of a lifetime, he says,

(01:30:08):
that's when you start to see the build up. So
it's harder to really point to that and have, you know,
a fluoride poster boy, because it's what he would argue
is that it's a degenerative, long term problem.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Robert is the debate over fluoride in the water or
the amount of fluoride in the water. Is there a
debate as to whiches are are people saying we just
want to completely taken out.

Speaker 7 (01:30:32):
There is both, and that's I think why maybe this
issue isn't as clear cut and cut and dry as
people think it should be, because there are I spoke
to doctor Linda Burnbaum, who used to head the National
Toxicology Program, and she didn't necessarily seem to be anti
fluoride whole piece. She just said that she pointed to

(01:30:53):
a study at the levels that it's at. Now those
have been brought down. So when she was the head
of the National Toxicology Program, they recommended levels of one
point two milligrams per leader, and now that's been brought
down to zero point seven because of their work, and
some people argue that it should be even lower. And

(01:31:14):
of course, you know there are a lot of people
who voted for URFK, you wanted him in the office.
Who This is where it gets sort of conspiracy snugly,
where they say fluoride is the government put it there
to make usself stupid. And there are serious people who
are not making that argument, who are still saying, but
there's no benefit to it versus the potential risks.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
As part of our list Back Friday segment, our conversation
with Robert McGreevey, reporter of The Daily Caller, talking about
RFK wanting fluoride out of the water. Got a lot
of your weekend plans or a low home improvement project, right, yeah,
don't fix up thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
But you know what's on my mind. What I'm hoping
that when we were at Minky Kature on mo Monday, Yeah,
that we have our listeners stoff by again like they
did last time, to please meeting our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
And we'll be giving away tickets to a big, big
concert that's coming to town. We can tell you about
now and tell you who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
But top secret. Stay with no no. He Ray's got
his favorite. He's hoping it is.

Speaker 17 (01:32:09):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
It's not them.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Sorry about that, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
That you would be good to Yeah, that would be good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
That does it for us tonight as we see each
and every night, head up, shoulders back. May God bless
you and your family. That's great country of ours, Greg,
and I wish you a very.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Nice weekend, Happy weekend, see you Monday. We'll be back Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Why from Minckey Cotur talk to you then,

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