The Rod and Greg Show: Trump's Executive Order on Homelessness

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Huge fire in the Mill Creek area. Is that where
it is?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is?

Speaker 3 (00:02):
In fact, there's if you look at Van Winkle about
thirteenth Feast, there's a live camera KUTV.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
He's got a shot of it. You can see an explosion.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
So there's a there was apparently a lawnmower that caught
a field on fire that's now traveled to the Glen
Willow apartments in this area. It's a pretty significant fire.
But in the video that I just watched, something blue,
something really exploding.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Really well, let's listen into our news partner KUTV here
for just a second as they're covering this fire in
the Mill Creek area. Here they are the.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Camera can pick that up. You can see that there
is a cloud of smoke over this Credit Union Worth standing.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Now.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
I did have a chance to speak to one of
the witnesses. He told me he was on his lunch
break and that's when he saw the fire break out,
and that's when he ran towards the apartment building trying
to see what he could do to help. Now, he
tells me he's been here all afternoon just making sure
people are doing okay. And I do want to mention
that that smell of the smoke is very heavy, and

(01:00):
it visibility isn't great out here. Again, the witness tells
me that he has been out here and that he's
just trying to make sure everyone's doing okay.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
And here's what he had to say.

Speaker 7 (01:13):
I was just at the exit flash entrance of the
apartment complex, and all I see is officers running yelling
at the tenants of the apartment complex that caught up
one of the buildings caught on fire to evacuate. And
there was a lady next to me who said, I
only saved two of my dogs. So then I ran
into the apartment complex and noticed that there was a
building which was the one that caught on fire, filled

(01:35):
with smoke. And I saw a guy who had just
woken up running towards me, and he said there was
more pets in there.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Now we've been out here for an hour or two now,
and we also did stumble upon a woman and a
man that were looking for their child. They have found
their child, but they were worried. They told us the
child was in the apartment complex that went up in flames.
Now we've been out here again for two hours. We've
talked to a few folks. The roads are covered with
people out here on grass just wondering what's happening. They

(02:06):
have a lot of questions. The road here, the intersection
Murrie Holiday Road is still blocked off to the public.
They are redirecting traffic at the moment, and they've been
doing that since we arrived here at scene. Once we've
learned more information, we'll bring you that update, reporting live
Christian KUTV too news.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Christian, Thank you very much. There's also a All right,
that's a little bit of the coverage that our news
partner KUTV is providing right now. Again, we had an explosion,
black smoke, scene and a fire burning on thirteenth East
in Holiday, right. You were talking about that area a
little bit more. Do you have more information on it
right now?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah. So if you look at the and I think
if you go on the Twitter pay or the X
page for Channel two, they have this one of the
cameras from the intersection Van Winkle in thirteenth About thirteen
seconds in you'll see the black smoke start to go
up and then you see this massive fireball that comes
up in the air.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
So that's more than just a slow burn. There's something
that was ignited there and twenty four units are impacted.
Sounds like I got to get maybe it's not time
to get a kick out of anything. But boy, you
put pets in there, people love those pets. They don't
want to see those pets and harms way either. The
last kid from their credit union was going in there
and saving dogs and cats.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, so let's listen back into our nudes partner Ku
TV if you have some more information on this right now.

Speaker 8 (03:28):
Fire was that right now it is out. Fire crews
finish their mop up here just not that long ago,
but there are some spots that are still scoldering at
this hour that you can kind of see and you
can actually smell the burn part and just see how
charred this hillside is. And to add to that, this
is right on the side of a bridge of our
major roadway here.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
So they had to close this.

Speaker 8 (03:47):
Down as multiple fire departments from West Valley City, Taylorsville,
all sorts of departments came in on this and they
wrap it up within an hour and thankfully were able
to save these apartment.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Buildings that were right next door here.

Speaker 8 (03:58):
As residents were worried they were looking out to see
if they had to evacuate or anything. But luckily firefighters
got this one out pretty quickly on this side of town.
Unfortunately not there over in Mill Creek. A lot more
details coming up tonight at five reporting live in West
Valley City, Brian Will.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
All right, that's a fire. Apparently the fire broke out
on the west side of the valley as well. Completely different,
completely different, And and we should two things. First of all, Greg,
as you head into the weekend, a lot of people
out right now probably recreating, enjoying timely. It's dry and hot.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, so yesterday was Pioneered Day, so it wouldn't it
stands the reason that people would take the Friday off
have a long weekend. But yeah, and so we heard
a lot of fireworks last night and.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
It sounded like a Bay root level.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
War torn Bay route. It's but I think so. But
all you know, let's be careful because if this is
a if this was if the one in Mill Creek
which has impacted this perma complex was started by a lawnmower,
it gets into that dry grass that you're trying to
cut down, and sparks can night pretty quickly. But this

(05:03):
hasn't been as hot as a summer, So we don't We're
not the tinder box I have felt that this valley
has been in the past. Yeah, yeah, so we you know,
it shouldn't be as high of a risk.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Another thing that we do can caution people. And unfortunately
in times like this, Greg, you get what we refer
to in the news business as look, he lose people
who just go out to see what's going on cause
all kinds of problems and traffic problems. We understand, if
you live in the area, you're going there, you're trying
to see if your property is being impacted by this
at all. But if you're just a sightseer and you

(05:34):
want to see the smoke and you want to see
the flames, folks, stay out of there. Let police and
fire units and emergency response teams get in there do
their job, hopefully get this fire out quickly without any
property damage or any personal injury to anybody. So don't
head that way. Let the folks get in there and
do their job, because it always happens, Greg, And I've
seen it time and time again.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's true, and it's and you're getting away
and it's just it is, you know, it's it's it's
something you should not go to. It's not a sport. Yeah,
it's nott nebby. Don't be nebby, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, let them do their job. All right, We've got
a lot to get to today. Great to be with
you on this Friday afternoon. Later on in the show,
I think this is a first on the Rotten Greg Show,
we'll be doing a taste test today. Yes, taste test,
So you want to be listening to that coming up
five o'clock the background.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
So you know, we had it was National Junk Food
Day and we had one of our callers, Judy call
Judy gave a very unique uh snack snack that she
has created, and so we resolved ourselves to recreate that
snack here on the Rotten Greg Show and have a
taste test and just try it out.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
So if we like, we're going to do it live
in the five o'clock hour.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Should want to hear that because it is it's quite involved.
But I think it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, you gave it a low taste test, but I won't.
You won't have to weigh in now. You just want
to make sure it worked.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, well, if we're gonna do it live, we gotta
get it because you know, Judy is committed to this
junk food. Is this this snack? She's great. It has
a few steps to it. So we had to get
all the ingredients and we had to get all everything
set and staged so that when we go live, we're
all set.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
You know, we're not fumbling around.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, we're ready to do this one. We're just eating.
We're ready for this one. Good to be with you, Mark.
Coming up. It is thank Rod and Greg. It is
Friday right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine can Arrest trying to get all the information she
can on that fire in the Mill Creek area. Cruise
right now are working to contain it. There has been
some property damage so far, and Abby you'll have all

(07:31):
the details coming up at the at the bottom of
the hour with her news updating and of course we're
following it. If we get any late breaking news from
our news partner KU TV, we'll put that on the
show for you as well. Southern Utah. My own mind,
what a success story this is turning.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Out to be that it really is.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I mean, if you look at the state of Utah,
things look good economically, but when you look at southern Utah,
there is a game changer happening down there. It's a
the Wasatch Front. Four can take contiguous counties where you
see the most of Utah's population, but then you go
down and you look at Washington County and Iron County,
and that's a that's a growing economy in and of itself,
and they're they're too far away to draft right off

(08:13):
of the Washash Front, so they're a energy end of themselves.
So joining us on the program is Washington County Commissioner
Adam Snow to talk about this. This is an article
that just came up. Employment numbers are looking good for
the state, but they're really looking good in Washington County.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Commissioner. Welcome to the Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (08:30):
Thanks for having me, guys, as always, So.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
My big question is, you know, success can and can
be a double edged sword your way down there in
southern Utah. You've got job growth, you've got you've got
a lot of good things happening, but with that comes
housing issues. Waters As a public servant in an area
growing as much as it is down there, in Utah.

(08:52):
How are you managing the kind of success that you're
seeing with your economy?

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Well, first of all, nobody could ever take credit by themselves, right,
and the county can't take credit, nor can any one
individual you know, mayor or city or anything. It is
a team effort. And we do like to say down
here that we live by the Dixie spirit and where
Utah's Dixie. And what that means is the teamwork, collaboration.
You know, rising tide lifts all boats, and so how

(09:19):
we address this is honestly with a ton of cooperation
from all of our cities, the county, the water conservancy districts,
individual builders, you know, the private industry trying to all
get on the same page. And by and large we
are on the same page where we can try and
and manage these things. When we've had to put in
tighter water restrictions to be able to manage for future growth, right,

(09:44):
we've got a twenty year plan. We're a year or
two into that for water. If we can get you know,
all of our our entities and the cities and everybody
to come along with more restrictive water use, you know,
better efficiency, recirculating humpson homes, you know, less ornamental lawn right,

(10:05):
No ornamental lawns at commercial properties. You know that little
figure eight of grass that nobody ever steps on other
than to mow it in the front yard. Those things,
you know, that actually helps us get that next twenty
years of growth and keeps it keeps us allowed to
build housing and to accommodate the growth that we're having

(10:26):
so that people that are getting these jobs have a
place to live. And so we're doing it with that cooperation,
and so far most people are coming along. They realize that, hey,
if we want to continue to live in this paradise
that we have, these are the things that we have
to do to be able to accomplish that. If we
just shut off all the growth and there are no jobs,
there are no it becomes a retirement community, and our

(10:50):
prices go through the roof and taxes go through the roof,
and then our kids can't afford to live here. And
so I think most people, not all by any means,
but most people are sharing in that vision. Commission, what's
allowing us to get through it?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, Commissioner, it's going to ask you. I don't get
down there very often, but every time I do get
down there, I go Wow, that's new or that's new
or that's no. You know, how are you? I mean,
by the sounds of it, the developers, the builders, the county,
the city people are willing to work together to make
sure this happens.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yes, yep, you're you're right, and we do have a
lot of new stuff. And everybody who comes down here,
it doesn't matter if you've been here recently or not,
if you've been here in the last month, something is new,
uh and so. But but that's that's the point. I mean,
all of the cities and the county all past uh
the exact same water restrictions on new development to make

(11:41):
them more water efficient. All of us are are working
handed with You know, when when a company comes in
and says, hey, I need a ton of really clean
water for us to move here, and one city says no,
and another city may be enticed to say, well fine,
that's that's okay, come here. Well that doesn't work right,
then everybody's gonna say, well, then we'll just say yes, right,

(12:05):
and we'll be the ones to get the benefit and
not you. And so that that goes only so far.
And we recognize that that just doesn't work, and so,
uh so we've been able to pass recently, you know,
some other restrictions today. No, we're all gonna we're all
gonna play by the same rules and and all the
cities in the county are all gonna adhere to the

(12:26):
same criterion standards so that we don't get one off
or kind of rogue water use. And that's honestly, that's
all we're doing it Rodin.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
So, Commissioner, let me ask you this. You know, it
used to be the Washington County Saint George area was
a retirement community, and I'm going to include even Iron
County in this. It looks like the economy is diversifying,
so it's not just services and construction things that would
maybe cater to a retirement community. But it looks like
your economy is growing in different ways. Can you share

(12:56):
with our listeners that live all the way up here
in the Wattatch Front, how is Washington County southern Utah
really how is that economy growing in areas that are
not just building homes for people that live from out
of state or plate arrivals that are looking to retire.
What does it what does the economy look like?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Down there.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, great question, Greg. You're right, it is diversifying. It
is diversifying a lot, and it is not just Washington County.
Obviously we're the biggest population and kind of the labor force,
but we have their synergies by working together. So actually
recently we partnered with Iron County and actually the five
County region which extends up to Beaver County and then

(13:36):
over to Garfield and Kane Counties as well, but we're
starting with Washington and Iron together. They have the inland
Port because they have rail, so they have a satellite
inland Port. There. We have the labor force and most
of the companies down here, and so we formed a
regional economic development and today similar to what you have
in Davis and Weaver Counties up north. That the legislature

(13:59):
helped and goe OH helped support with some funding to
get that started. We looked at a more regional plan.
We were initially just looking at Washington County and we said,
you know, we can build and rise this tide can
rise both boats at the same time, both Iron and Washington.
So we partner. We called up Washington or sorry, Iron County,
and they said, we love to partner with you. So

(14:21):
we did. We owned the Southern US High Economic Alliance
and we gave that to this new entity and said,
you know, this will be better together than apart, and
so we can market you and you can market us.
And so as far as business relocation, some organic growth,
that new entity really takes on those. And it doesn't

(14:43):
matter whether you're going to go to Iron County because
we know that our employees are going to go work
there and we will benefit. And it doesn't matter if
you're going to come to Washington County because we've got
to send our stuff to Iron for rail. You know,
if it's heavy manufacturing or distribution and we need to
get access to rail, we can truck it fifty miles
up the road rather than you know, one hundred and
fifty down to Vegas as you get on the rail there.

(15:03):
And so so really there's benefits that direction. Again, if
you're a high high water use company, we're probably not
the best location for you, yes, But as far as
you know, component assembly, distribution, light manufacturing, high tech, h

(15:25):
you know, it works really well here. So while we
have a huge robust construction industry, it's it's diverse final
lot and the answer Greg kind of a long winded answer,
but I'm a politician. So why is is that people
love the quality of life? They say, you know, you're
not this little tiny Saint George anymore. I can get
all the services and all the things I need. I

(15:47):
can get flights to Phoenix, Dallas, La, Salt Lake, Denver.
I can get to anywhere really easily. We've got more
things coming. So I want the quality of life. And
it used to be ten years ago that we'd have
a CEO and maybe a skeleton crew would come down
here and leave the rest of the company up north.
And that's really changing. They're saying, I want all of
my employees to be able to go mountain bike in

(16:08):
the afternoon and golf and water ski in the same day,
and then ski in brian Head that same day as well.
And so they're bringing the whole thing down here. We're
seeing a lot of growth that direction.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
It is certainly exciting in that part of the state.
Commissioner is always great, Chatty mean you thanks for joining
us on this Friday afternoon.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Thanks for having me a nice lot.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
County Commissioner Adam Snow from Washington County talking about the
growth and the challenges being faced by Washington County, Saint George,
Iron County, five county area there in southern Utah. Mar
coming up on The Rotten Greg Show. I think in
the first six months of his second term, we have
learned that in many ways Donald Trump gets what he wants.
That's fair to say.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
So far, he's got a heck of a batting average.
I wouldn't bet against that.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, his batting average is pretty good.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Well.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Now, he signed an executive order yesterday and it's targeting homelessness.
He wants it over. He wants to end it. He
wants to end crime and make our streets safer. That's
what we wanted to bring our next guest on David o'bara,
an author, a leadership consultant, former candidate for mayor of
soult Lake, been very involved in this effort over the years.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
He's been a championship.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
He really is.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
David, How are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Very good, gentlemen, Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Now, mister Obara, I know you.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yes, I was going to say, I know you don't
subscribe to the same party and might not have voted
for this very president. We're speaking of But I do
know that you are a statesman, a gentleman yourself, and
you have been working on this issue of homelessness, and
you know about the homeless or the shelter resistant, the
people that are just that have mental illness and they

(17:49):
need help and they're just out there. What do you
say about this idea that we need. Some are calling
me asylums and it has a negative connotation to it,
but they're neat. Do you believe that we're the there
is a right track to finding a place for the
shelter resistant to give them the care that they need.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Absolutely, And I will tell you in my belief is
that this is finally starting to get answered by the
state legislature and in working with our city administration to
really force it to be attended to. Because what people
don't realize, these folk wandering the streets and walking bent

(18:31):
over with the effects of fentanol are in trouble and
for us to not intervene and give them the kind
of services they need, whether it's observation, whether it is
putting them into a place that they can be observed,
is absolutely insane. And it's not who we are in

(18:53):
the state of Utah or in the United States, we
have to address.

Speaker 6 (18:57):
It, David.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
The Supreme Court, of course issue to ruling basically relaxing
restrictions on states and their ability to regulate homelessness. Is
Utah adapting or trying to make some changes to meet
the needs of the homeless here in the state of Utah?
I mean, are we taking steps now that we have
a little more freedom to deal with this? Do you
have that sense at all?

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Well, I don't know if it's if it's because of
the court determination that we can, but I believe it's
the interaction between the governor, the Speaker, and the President
of the Senate with the mayor that insisted that we
address this and for us not to address it is
in Hugh Maine. Well, this is our capital city. These

(19:42):
are folks suffering. We have folks that can't enjoy their neighborhoods.
Downtown Salt Lake had become a battle zone and it
is changing. The new people police is an absolutely spot
on addressing that people that are using drugs in public
are being arrested. We're seeing camps broke up. Finally, somebody

(20:08):
is responding to a need in every category.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
So you know, I want our listeners to know that
you're you're a thought leader, but you're also a business leader.
You've been physically yourself accosted and attacked by people that
are mentally ill and suffering from homelessness, to drug addiction,
all of it. And so this is a very very
personal issue. You've seen it up close and personal. You know,
there's a scenario that we you and I when we

(20:33):
I was in a public service, we ran into this
scenario where an emergency room has someone that's not safe
to be left on their own, but there is literally
nowhere that that person could be sent in. Jail isn't
the place to go because it's not what they're talking about,
but there is nowhere to go.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Value mental health is full, you have use full.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
So do you think we will find facilities built in
places for those that are tax paramidey is already going
for those that are not being tended to and the
consequences of it. Do you think we'll find the political
momentum to have places for those that are shelter resistant
who need this kind of intensive care.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Well, if we use common sense, it will. But I
tell you this is that when we look at the
money spent or maybe even better said, the money wasted
and we haven't used logic. There has to be a
component that is lockdown for observation, whether it's a facility

(21:32):
that is it's not a jail, but it's a lockdown
for observation. And those members of the Yabra, but brothers
and sisters that will come up with, well, you can't
do it because of this, you're criminalizing homelessness. No, we're
enforcing crimes that are being committed. And when a crime

(21:55):
is committed, it's a cry for help. In many cases,
those that are familiar with the other Side Academy, those
folks that are there have told me that if they
wouldn't have been arrested and incarcerated in their case, they
would have lost their lives and they're on the road
of recovery.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
We can do this.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
I think we have to have a campus. I think
it's got to be moved outside of the city, and
we do have to have some lockdown facilities that some
will saying parceration, calling homelessness a crime. I call it
intervening like we would are children and saving a life.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
David, You're always on target with this. David. Thank you.
We appreciate your time and I know we'll have you
back on again. Keep up the fight, David, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Well, keep up the good work.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Thank you, David. I like being called gentlemen. Yes, he's
gonna get called that very often. Man, I'm telling you
that he's a class act. I don't know why he's
a He's so logical. How is he a Democrat? I
don't get it. Have you ever talked to as I
about this said, this affliction that he has?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know it is his brother worked in the Clinton Whitehouse,
Mickey Obara. I mean, I'm telling you this is I
keep saying, David, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
What happened? You're so smart, you got this stuff? Come on,
all right, all right, A lot to get to today.
Mari coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k n RS
in honor of National Junk Food Day, which was what
Monday Tuesday? I think Monday or Tuesday, can't remember one
of those days. Yes, we are going to taste test

(23:31):
a treat. Someone suggested we.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Try color Judy because she called again later in the week.
But Calor Judy had a very unique junk food of
it's her creation.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
And it was so interesting.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
We're going to try it. Yes, yeah, we're going to
try it. But right now, like I said, uh, I
don't know how long. The sky Dance paramount thing was
approved yesterday by the FCC. Yes, so now CBS is
under new ownership.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Right. My question is with Colbert Levy, and he's here
until next May. How much longer are they going to
let him get away with what's going on right now?
Every star that is now showing up on that show
is bashing the network, bashing the owners and saying they're
taking free speech away.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I'm telling you, if I was the owner, I would
I take a paintball gun through that place and just
sent them all out the door.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, Sandra O, who is a star of the show
The Killing Eve I've never seen this show, was on,
was on with Colbert last night. Let's what she had
to say.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
I am so sorry and saddened and properly outraged for
the cancelation of the late of Late Night here, and
not only for yourself and for this entire family who
are here, but for what it means of what it

(24:51):
is where we are in our culture, and what that
means for free speech. So I just want to say sorry.

Speaker 10 (24:57):
And also, if I can have your hand this to
CBS and Paramount, A plague on both of your houses.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Great?

Speaker 9 (25:13):
Yes, yes, I think Cyric has been a great partner.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
Yes, yes, no.

Speaker 9 (25:17):
And also a pox on all those they serve.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Are you kidding me? Greg? A plague on your house,
a pox on all that you save.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
It wouldn't it be nice if some of those elitists
cared that much when the Keystone Pipeline employees. Yeah, tens
of thousands got lost in their jobs. When when they
went and decimated people's employment, their finances, the economy, they
did not give a wit. Did they call Colbert the
twenty million a year guy is getting let go because
he loses forty million a year? Oh, it's such a

(25:48):
sad moment.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Did you hear a slipped in? Well, they've been pretty
good to me, of course, they've been good to you
twenty million dollars a year. I'm for a show that
it's tanking.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know, Jerome.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Pile's not supposed to leave till May of twenty six,
and he'd doesn't lead till May twenty six.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
This is going to be the longest time period of
my life. Both did to go.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Now pull the plug, CBS and do it now?

Speaker 6 (26:07):
All right?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Our taste text, Yes, I can't wait. Open lines coming
your way. Stay with us all right now. We're doing
something a little different today to start for this hour.
You know, it's a holiday, it is. We're having a
little bit of fun.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
We are. You know.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
We did something on Monday or Tuesday of this week.
It was National Junk Food Day and we ask people,
you know, is there a junk food that if is
within one hundred miles of you or even a mile,
can you avoid it?

Speaker 11 (26:34):
Now?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Darn you? You brought in a bag of chips today
and I have been nibbling on those things all day today.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Folks, if there was a diet, and we think there is,
that rod used to be on I use the word
used to.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Be I'm still doing I'm still doing that.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Lady's bag of chips, So yeah, call her.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Judy called in and she had a very unique praz
a very unique snack.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yes, she just died to us, she did.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
So we are also going to record this because we're.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Gonna post this on our x pache chep.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
But she told us to get Hostess.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Cupcakes, which we have here. Are the hosted cupcakes right here.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Get some lace potatoes, but take the chocolate topping.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Off a hosted cupcakes. Be very careful with this. I'll
get it. Okay, I'm done. Oh I got a clean
like how clean? I'm good at this? Okay, look, so
you got to then you open it up.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Then you break it in half.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Break it in half. Okay, mm hmm, like a sandwich,
a sandwich, two pieces of bread.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Okay, Now you take the potato chips. Now you've broken
them up a little bit. Yep, Judy, if you're listening,
if we're getting this wrong, you can call and tell us.
Now lay in, put the lace potato chips in between.
Now put the top.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
On, okay, and then we eat it, and then we
make it like now. She says, it's important to chase
this bite with another potato, more potato. So let's take
a byte.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, okay, so this is radio go real well to this.
This is a hostess cupcake with a top off, split
in half, put potato chips in between it, and eat it. Right,
you're ready to trade this.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's crunchy, crunchy mm hmm, it's crunchy.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Not bad, guys, now, listen, Judy, that is a treat
that is sweet, that is salty. It's a lot of
work to get that thing together, but it's good.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I give it. I give it a two thumbs up.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Thumbs up, dude.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
So, folks, there you have it.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
If you want a very unique treat, you get the
hosted cupcakes. You take the top off that chocolate because
it's too sweet. You break it in half, put the
blaze potato ships in between, make a sandwich out of it,
have a bite, chase it with more lays, and you
got yourself a junk food treat for the ages.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Do you know how much trouble we're in right now?
Why do you see the mess we've made?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Oh yeah, we got You know.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
We shouldn't have to put up with this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
The corporate brask gonna come in this equipment.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Well, let me just say this, I have I don't
know what you did. I don't even know why you
have a plate. You made so much of a mess
over very clean.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I have it.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
So there we have it, Judy's treat. We're gonna call
this from now on, Judy's Treat.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's it, Judy's treat. Now, So, folks, try it out.
Let us know.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
If you tried it and you like it, we're open
to other uh you know reviews.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Wait a minute, you're you're saying we're gonna become guinea
pigs for weird, weird uh junk food. Is that what
you're you're offering us to do that?

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Now?

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yes, absolutely, And Anya has to come in here and
do this too. He's got to come in and try
it out. Come on, anyway, where's your sense of adventure?

Speaker 1 (29:51):
He raids back. Well again, we're going to post that
on our X page, and uh, we invite you to
take a look at it, maybe try it at home
with your kids. And if you you have other weird
food combinations that you would like, uh mister Hughes myself
to try out, will consider them.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Giving yes on this.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
But if you when you said host hostess cupcakes and
laced potato chips, I like both of those. I think
that's a combination I'm willing to try. I did it
was good.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
You guys need to open a can of Kipper snacks
in there.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh you know what, I have the milk bones I
shouldn't know.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
We are not I'm not going to milk. I will
not eat with.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
No Yeah, that videos online with no no with with
the with the cupcakes.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I am not eating a milk bone.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
With a cupcakes. You know that would be good.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
No, I am not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
We have milk bones in this.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I know we do because you eat them occasions.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
I do.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Uh huh, you eat.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I'm actually going to try it with this. Maybe not,
you know, for the show, but I'm gonna. I'm actually
gonna you don't put a milk bone between the two.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I'm gonna try it. I try it later.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
You're you're you're bizarre.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
No, it's I'm gonna try it.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Well.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I like the milk bones by themselves. We'll see if
the cupcake makes it any tasty.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
That was good.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
You know what I liked about it? The saltiness, Yes,
and I kind of like the crunch. The crunch is good.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Buying what we're selling us.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
So for our listeners out there, you can try this
treat and tell us what you think. And then if
you have a treat within reason, uh, I say, after
I tell you about my milk bones. I don't know
how much reason. People think that was an acquired taste
from an early age.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
The trick is if you have a treat, it must
not cause bodily harm. Okay, yeah, because if it's something
that's going to make us gage, no.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
And yeah, and you can't remember you ever see those
videos where they give you the really hot chip and
it makes it it's just too hot sweat.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I can't, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Weren't there there were all kinds of crazy challenges for
a while where what was it a was it cinnamon?
They take a spoonful of cinnamon or something like that,
and that.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Freak here. I'm I'm not going you're I'm not doing that.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
But if it's a if it's a thought, if it's
a real snack, you like, you have to say you
like it too.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You can't, Yeah, you have to, Like you.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Don't want to ever try.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Don't come up with something weird just to embarrass the
two of us. You have to be able to use
it and eat it.

Speaker 8 (32:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I thought that was good experiments you did well though.
You made a real.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Nice picked up. They won't yell at me, not for you,
you're the big not for long they're gonna yell at me.
But that was when Judy we want to thank you.
That's a great idea. We did try it today.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
We have to try our other callers at breakfast burritos
for dinner and we have to try those.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Oh she did make breakfast burritos, didn't she. She was quick
at them just the other night.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I probably need to test that out.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
All right, We're gonna break a little bit early, then
we'll come back. I want I want to talk Greg
about the homelessness issue that we spoke with David Abara
and the President's you know, the President's executive order. I mean,
how do you get maybe our listeners have got an idea,
how do we get people off the street? Is it
even possible, do you think, Greg.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Well, some of them are mentally ill and if it's
up to them, they're not coming.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, but if you had a place to put them
when they still get off the street, you'd have to
force And is that incarceration?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's it's it's humane, is what it is.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
It's not so Yeah, I think it's it's worth talking
about because I think this can be a bipart is
an issue. I know that the media wants to make
Trump out to be a bad guy or inhumane, that
he wants to open up asylums. What he's talking about
are you've got people just sprawled out who needs who
need help and are getting none of it, and you've
got to do something about it.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, we'll talk to you about that, plus any other
news that is out there today. Lines will be open
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on the Friday afternoon edition of The Rod and Greg

(33:50):
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine Canna.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
I am a filled up with color, Judy's hostess hoh
or hostess a tree cake, lais potato chip combo tree
call it a whole chip. Now that's that's not gonna work.
I'm not calling it that. That's not going to work
this chip.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
But I'm a little fool, you know, feel good. Belly's
full and two thumbs up was the verdict.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
But yeah, we got it posted yet or you're the
I'm in the process and so you see the video.
I got if I'm doing it right.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Oh, he's in here after the chips. Well, you start
eating those, you can't.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
You can't eat a.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Pack of cupcakes here, he messed. I threw him a cupcake.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Should we get should we get back to the business.
You got nailed, got a flying cup flying cupcake? Tell
us Friday and it's kind of loose around it. Well,
there's nobody in the building, so we can kind of
do what we want.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
But we're kind of in that. I think this is
like a notch day because yesterday was Pioneer Day. But
what we had a lot of great listeners calling in
talk back line.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
People were even though it was a holiday.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
But I think a lot of people are taking Friday
as a as a holiday as well, So I don't
blame a holiday feel So I guess that's why you
can have the taste tests and Ray can hit me
with a hot in the head.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yes, good shot, good shot. But he didn't just a
bowl a cupcake. Well that's that's part of the bowling.
Must have been some mechanism. Yeah, he nailed you with that.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
All right.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Like we said, if you've got a combination that you
would like us to try, but it has to be
real guinea pigs here. Rock you can't be labrats. Yeah,
don't suggest we Rocky Mountain oisters, because we aren't going
to do that. That's not going to happen. But you
know other things we we we would vote on it
and decide if we want to subject ourselves to your punishment. Yeah, right,

(35:57):
all right. We mentioned going into the break that we
want to talk about homelessness because the President yesterday is
targeting homelessness in an executive order ending Crime and Disorder.
What he wants done, Greg is he wants the American
people to finally deal with this mental health and drug
problem that is really plaguing our streets. Because any idea

(36:19):
of the percentage of people who were homeless who were
dealing with a metal health or drug issue, has there
been any research done on that? Because I imagine the
figure is high.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
You know, I never knew the by way or a percentage,
but I would tell you that when I was on
the clock and we were looking at a summer and
summer is a high time because there's a lot of
camping you can do versus the winter months, we were
approaching numbers of five to six thousand that in the
immediate vicinity of the real Grand area. But then you
had the Jordan River that had encampments everywhere. You had

(36:50):
a Victory Road in North Salt Lake that had a
lot of encampments, and so you were looking and that
number just kept growing, and we knew that we had
to do something you could that was a trajectory where
you couldn't you wouldn't be able to help people in
need if the numbers just kept growing. And what we
saw was that the cartels were doing a very good
job of if people found themselves from whatever circumstances of

(37:12):
finding themselves homeless, self medicating doesn't become out of the
realm of possiblity because they're pretty miserable in their circumstances
that way, and so they would pray upon them to
offer them balloons of heroin or other things if they
could sell more. As you know, it's a very bad,
you know, multi level marketing play by the cartels. And
where I thought that homeless people would have no money

(37:34):
to be able to buy drugs, No, they they sell
a lot to take a lot of drugs. And it's
really sad. It's a bad situation. But you know, I oh, so.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
My question would be, what do you do with those
people if you want to get off the street. I mean,
how big of a treatment facility do we need, because
you know, it could be very large.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think it grows on itself, but when it's unaddressed,
it just ripples and it just getsier and bigger and bigger.
And I think if you could shut this the faucet
off of the kind of preying upon and the drug
the organized drug trafficking and human trafficking that goes on
in that community, that just keeps, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Pulling in more and more people.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
If you could stop that and remove those people from
those environments to evaluate and help to try and try
out and get better, then I think that number stops
growing the way it does right now. But here's what
I saw when I went to Los Angeles after we
had worked here in Utah. We had a lot of
good people from public safety, from different drug rehabs, from
we just had a lot of different stakeholders from Utah.

(38:35):
We went to Los Angeles, which has the law, has
a population of homeless people that's larger than the population
of Taylorsville, so, you know, and I saw people I
laying on the ground in unspeakable conditions. We had a
member of the head second in charge of the Utah's
Department of Public Safety who, as a professional law enforcement officer,

(38:57):
could not walk past this half naked woman who was
having a seizure. And the mayor's person said, no, no,
that's just that's just a that's just a Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Keep walking, and he couldn't. He had to see if
she was okay.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Oh, but that is that was a condition that when
you have it as much as they do in Los Angeles,
you don't even pause anymore. And it's it's it's not
it's dehumanizing to a level that I don't know that
utons can even fathom. It's that bad. So no one's
going to tell me that letting people run and not
being able to care for them or to if there

(39:30):
shelter resistant is the nice thing to say it. But
they're just they're so crazy, they don't they're so drug confused,
and it's it's created mental health issues.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
They don't want to be out of it.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
If you can't get them out of that environment and
bring them real help and intervene and intervene on their behalf.
It's not like the taxpayer doesn't pay for that consequence.
We do, We just pay in different ways.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Well, let me tell you what, I am not very
optimistic that we'll ever solve this problem. We may make
some steps, but I I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
I back to the hobo days of the railroads. You know,
we had hobos that were whinos, you know, and they
were sitting around the railroads. There was a small, small
percentage of those people. But this, this number just keeps growing.
And the reason is because they keep accommodating it. I'm
telling you, they want to empower it. They want to
give them shopping carts for free. They want to give them,
you know, party packets of clean needless for free, rubber

(40:20):
rubber things.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
That are tied around their arms and everything else. You
can't do that. You have to you have to change that.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
So I do think what what President Trump's executive order
does is it opens the asylums. I know, so asylums
has a negative connotation to it. Asylums are no more
than facilities that can help. They can house people who
are shelter resistant, who absolutely need the help they're not receiving.
And that's that we have not gotten healthier as a

(40:46):
society since they went away, okay, when they got rid
of those in the eighties. Nobody can tell me that
the world is a better place and a healthier place
because we did.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
Well.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Here's what the President said about it in issuing that
executive order. He said, the federal government and this date
have spent tens of billions of dollars on failed programs.
I don't know how much we've spent here, but I
know it's spent a lot of money that addresses homelessness
but not its root causes, leaving other citizens vulnerable for
public safety threats. Shifting homeless individuals into long term institutional

(41:20):
settings for humane treatment through the appropriate use of civil
commandment will restore public order, yes, you know, But is
there a will? Will there be a way?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
And as far as people saying, well, how are we
going to pay for it, I'm going to tell you
paying for the dumb way we've been doing it, you know,
and just worehousing human or just leaving them alone or
empowering them to stay sick and be crazy. That's not
been that's not been helping. There's a cost to that.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's not working. All right, More coming up. It is
Thank Rod and Greg. It's Friday right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
We've posted it on both and you know it's now.
It's out there. Yeah, recorded in history.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Take a look at we ate it.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
We ate it. I liked it. We both liked it.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
That was good. It was good. I want to talk
about a Utah lawmaker, Trevor Lee, who we've found on
the show before. He is a Republican from Layton, is
now shooting out the idea of possibly taking the name
of Utah Tech University, which is in St. George. We
talked earlier about growth down there and returning it to
its old Dixie name. Now you have you have a

(42:31):
lot of contacts down there, and you say this is
not as far fetched as some people may think it is.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, but my my inside sources aren't even from down there.
Sources are from up here that are looking and squinting,
squinting and going hmm, did we Is there a little
buyer's remorse? I mean, honestly, you think about taking the
name Dixie off of that call up that university. Yeah,
if that name offended you, you would literally have to
walk around Washington County blindfolded without seeing the word Dixie,

(43:01):
because the Dixie Road, the Dixie butcher, the Dixie Pharmacy,
the Dixie on the side of the mountain, the Dixie everything,
the Dixie High School, the Dixie Tech College, that it
is literally everywhere. So the idea I was never for this.
I thought this was a lambing idea.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I know, I was with you when this was going on, Greg,
I said this, to just leave it alone.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
It's just crazy. And you just cannot escape that this
is Utah's Dixie area. And it was because they could
grow cotton and they had the temperatures, and it was
and it wasn't racist, and whatever racist connotations it had,
it's we've all grown up and it doesn't have anything
to do with it now. But to lose that identification
or that ide that, it's never really sat well with

(43:42):
that community. But people up here up north are are
looking around going really was so what was that all about?
I mean there's some people just looking around and thinking
maybe that wasn't the thing that because that was a
higher education decision, not from down there that was.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
That was a real heated debate, as I recall, and
a lot of the heat in favor of the change
came from outside the area, correct, I mean the people
have lived there all their lives. They weren't bothered by it.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I don't know how they could do.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
It was the mob saying, oh, we've got to be woke,
We've got to you know, come on. And I remember
we did show after show after show on this and
just railing against this idea.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Well, so we kept hearing that the graduates of Dixie
University were having a difficult time fighting jobs because the
name the potent the prospective employers were offended by the
name of the school. We also heard that, uh remember that,
So that was one of it. And then there were donors.
There were donors that would get would be willing to

(44:38):
give that institution of higher learning, but for the name
and the name had a chilling effect on their desire
to donate. I think both stories. I don't think those
that promised to donate ever did, and I don't think
anybody ever got their resume passed up because of that school.
Because here when I was speaker and they were asking
for the state to fund their nursing program and the
upgrades and the office build they needed, and they needed

(45:01):
a lot they were growing, they were growing. The story
was and this is only maybe three years before they
argued they had to change the name. It was we're
bursting at the seams. Our graduation rates are through the roof,
our job placements are high. All indications are that was
a successful university. When they're asking the state for funding
three years later, we we we can't place the student

(45:22):
because there's a name on the on their diploma or
on their degree, says Dixie. It was contrived. I promise
you that was a contrived narrative. It was and came
from outside the area.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
And so you know, Yushi, they called Utah State Higher
Institution or Institution of Higher Learning, really did they? And
and you know they had their board down there that
was agreeable to it as well. But it never sat
well with the community. It has always been in the side.
It's yeah, you know, and that Dixie Tech is about
the most vanilla name in the world. It doesn't need anything.
Utah Tech doesn't mean anything. Nobody nobody's getting it. Nobody,

(45:57):
I mean, nobody knows. It doesn't tell you where it is.
It's not Southern u TA University, it's not you know,
I just I don't know. I think so, I think
some people are. I don't know what will come of it,
but I can tell you that it is a discussion,
uh that is going on.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, yeah, I want to bring up this as well,
because you have a T shirt on this for crying out.
This is your favorite subject. But I want to talk
about Alligator Alcatraz.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Y's my favorite place.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Governor Ron, you want to do a broadcast from there?
I do, go ahead, Malaga, go ahead, No, we go ahead.
You're coming with me. You're going alligators.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
No, We're gonna love it. We need to look at aside.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
We'll try to get some of those those ice agents,
those alligator ice agents to come say hi, it would
be fun.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
Well.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Ron dead santis Uh is again responding to critics of
Alligator Alcatraz. Listen carefully to the reporter this question the
reporter was asking.

Speaker 12 (46:52):
And then his response, So, I like Keaven, but I'm
sure he's going to debunk it.

Speaker 13 (47:05):
I mean, like I seriously, you know, you have to
ask yourself on some of this stuff. Just the desire
to like create narratives and like these Democrat politicians parading
down here and doing all this stuff, and I'm just
thinking to myself, I've never seen one of you show
up to comfort an angel mom who's lost a child

(47:28):
because of illegal alien crime. I've never seen you raise
any concern about the victims of illegal immigration. Not one
time have I seen these Democrats caravan anywhere in this
state hold a press conference to be able to stand
in solidarity with victims. I've never seen that. These are
stunts that they're pulling because they're increasingly politically irrelevant in

(47:52):
this state and they're trying to latch onto whatever they can,
you know, to create phony narratives.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, that's what they're doing, creating phoning. It's working, and
that's why people don't like it. Greg, It's working.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Look, I had someone rebuke me on one of these
social media platforms because I had my Alligator Alcatraz shirt
on that I'm proud of, saying that history is not
going to remember me very well because I'm celebrating this
and I and I believe that what history will not
remember well and that we'll look back on is this
moral relativism. This making the criminal the victim and the

(48:26):
law enforcement the oppressor. This is an insane concept. And
I will continue to post on my ex page, the
people that are apprehended, the people that are being removed,
and the terrible criminal records that come with the people
that they've caught, and we're going to show these are
not victims, you see, these are people that need to
be removed and deported. And again, you know, Barack Obama

(48:48):
never had anyone pushing against or stopping his efforts. Trump
will never even meet the pace of Barack Obama's deportation.
He doesn't have enough time, he doesn't have too many
and he doesn't have courts. I mean, Obama didn't have
courts fighting him, he didn't have riots, he didn't have
any of the things that they're trying to do now.
And there is a higher percentage, it's like eighty percent

(49:10):
or more are actual convicted criminals that they're removing into
porting Barack Obama. President Obama's percentage or ratio of criminals
was much lower than it's fifty percent or something. So,
you know, I think that that the media regime media
again gets away with creating a premise that people operate

(49:30):
from that is just absolutely false. These criminals are not victims.
They are not victims, and we got to we cannot
allow them to push that out there.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yet we're going to criticize what the president is trying
to do each and every day.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Sandwich wasn't toasted.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Oh no, that's what they'll complain about. Yes they can't
go to the bathroom, Yes you can. It's too hot.
Well it's Florida, the Everglades. They're too many buggs. Well
it's Florida, it's the Everglades. What do you expect?

Speaker 6 (49:58):
Folks?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
And you're a pedophile and you murdered story deal, or
you're yeah, so you know there's a It's just these
are people that need to be removed and the public
safety needs to be improved, and we should make no apology.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Amen, all right, more coming up. It is the Rod
and Greg Show on this Friday afternoon right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kay n alr s.
I'm with you, Greg. I think a lot of people
took yesterday, if not Wednesday off and are stretching in this.
And I always have thought between the fourth of July
and the twenty fourth of July, in this day holiday,

(50:31):
nothing gets done. I mean, we get into this vacation mindset. Nothing.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Everybody has vacations to take I'm taking mind them next week.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah, you are, You're you're gonna be gone what Tuesday?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, I'm good, going back days a week. Yeah, I'll
be here Monday.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
If you're worried, folks, if you're upset, don't be It's okay.
I'll be here Monday. But uh, yeah, I'll be here Monday,
and then I'll.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Be taking the rest of it.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Family Vaca going to d C.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Pick up Junior. He's uh, he's been, he's been.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
He's been intern.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
He's been intern out there in Congress watching the big
beautiful bill pass and the decision build. Summer twenty five,
they did some work out there, so Junior got to
see some work done. I don't know if that's happened
much lately. So, you know, I think his most astute observation.
And you shared this, right, what do you say about
members of Congress?

Speaker 14 (51:16):
They're old?

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Yeah, So he's watching these committee here, they're just they
have their staff prepared questions, but when they get the
answer questions answered, they're not ready with the with the
follow up question. And so my son sits in that committee,
hearing ready to ask a very good follow up question,
but there's nobody that's ready to ask it so that
they're old. I think there's an age issue going on there.

(51:40):
But that's that's that's a judge twenty three or twenty
four year old. As with that, for sure, I want
to share this story. This is typical, This is this
is the New York Times, so take take it for
what is worth. The public broadcasting system in the United
States suffered a seismic shock last week when Congress eliminator
roughly five hundred thirty five million dollars a year from

(52:02):
federal funding for PBS and NPR and local stations around
the country. Right, but guess what Public radio listers and
public television viewers are now stepping in to help fill
the gap. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Well you know again, nobody.
They need to just do that, just raise more money.
That's what they've raised. Five hundred million. No, I'll bet

(52:24):
you they haven't, but they I'm sure they're off to
a healthy start, and good luck, go do it. Do it.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Welcome to the real world. Welcome to the world the
way we live.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
You know, remember how everyone with all the Libs want
a separation of church and state. Never let church be
near the state. What happened to separation of state with media.
Why are they okay with that? Because it's their propaganda machine.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Other quick note the brilliance of California. It's twenty dollars
fast food minimum wage, yes, okay, led to eighteen thousand
fewer jobs.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Of course, they just ended them to part time and
put up kiosks. Just I was in California and I
went to one of those kiosks where they took all
the workers out barely. It's a skeleton crew and everything's kiosk.
And I had a hard time operating it. And one
guy came in. He just kept trying, he kept trying to.
He just gave up and drove away. He couldn't even
use it. It wasn't easy.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
It couldn't handle it. Then, all right, another hour coming
your way. We'll have more on the Russian hold story,
and we'll also be talking about then a fire chief
in Austin. Pretty amazing story about this. You'll want to
say too, Are you going back to tell Trump what
to do to get more things done?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Is that the goal?

Speaker 11 (53:34):
I am.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I don't know that I will be successful, but yes,
I've got a lot to say and I know a
few people, maybe I can get that conu to communication going.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
We'll see it, get that going. Boy what a week
this has been. I mean, really, Greg, it all started
last Friday, the last hour of our show last Friday,
where you know, Tolsey Gabbert had that document dump on
the whole Russian hosts thing. And boy, what a week
it has been.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yeah, you can see the evolution of this is we
and I know that noticed that when we break information,
and it's very timely, it takes everybody, ourselves, our listeners,
the public to get their heads around it. You start
hearing it a lot more commentary, then you know, it
starts to ferment, and it starts to you know, bake yes,
and then it breathes and then we can And so
this whole week we've had this issue just building growing.

(54:19):
I understand it far better today than I did a
week ago.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Well, there were two reports put out one last Friday
than one this week in which there was a stronger
connection between Obama and this whole investigation. And one of
the great reporters looking into this has been Paul Sperry.
He's an investigative reporter, real clear investigations and Paul found
that a scant unclear, unverifiable segment fragment of a sentence

(54:42):
led to all of this. Paul, thanks for joining us tonight.
What on earth is this all about, Paul?

Speaker 14 (54:46):
Well, it turns out that John Brenn, and the old
Obama's old CIA director, he had been tolling everybody for
years that he had secret slam dunk evidence to back
up the s conclusion and that intelligence assessment that Obama
had ordered after the election in twenty sixteen that putin

(55:07):
had helped Trump win and beat Hillary. And now it
turns out, from this declassified report that looked into all
of the raw intelligence and the emails back and forth
in the drafting of that intelligence assessment, that it was
nothing more than second hand hearsay, an unverifiable tip from

(55:34):
an anti Trump informant. That was what comprised Brennan's big
slam dunk evidence. It was so weak, and it was
so weak in fact, that Brennan had to sneak in
Hillary's political dirt to back that up. Of course, he
didn't say it was hers, He just said it was

(55:56):
they had some FBI source, in a trusted intelligence source
to back that up. And it was put into a
bullet point into the main body of the highly classified
version of the ICA, where Brennan knew nobody would see.

(56:19):
But then he could go out in public and say, oh,
this has been corroborated. You know, what a farce, what
a sham this was. It was a complete fraud.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Did how much pressure did he put on some people,
Paul that were saying, wait a minute, we need to
go this isn't verifiable yet, we need to find out
more information before we go with this. How much pressure
did he put on any of those analysts, Paul.

Speaker 14 (56:44):
Well, he actually some of them that protested too much,
he cut him out of the loop. And you know,
this was the most corrupt intelligence gathering spycrafts that probably
in our history, this this report, and it was all
orchestrated by President Obama because President Obama. Obama had his

(57:09):
own hand picked person and that that was Hillary Clinton,
to win the election and then carried forth his his legacy,
his agenda. And no one thought that Trump was going
to upset Hillary, and so they had to scramble and
manufacture not only trip him up, you know, kneecapped Trump

(57:35):
and make his his presidency ineffective and you know, they
did a pretty good job of hobbling him with all
the investigations that that folded out from this this phony intelligence,
But they also needed an excuse for why the American
electorate repudiated not only Hillary but Obama, who who went

(57:58):
out full force and indoor in full throated endorsement of her,
and uh, you know, basically reputed it repudiated Obama's agenda
in the process. So the convenient excuse was, oh, Putin
through the election and to Trump, that's why Hillary lost.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
You know, it's such a critical piece of information. If
you know that Russia is trying to undermine confidence in
our election, which I think is true. But if you
add the if you add the sentence that Putin wanted
Trump to get elected, and then Trump does get elected,
and then you then say Russia hacked the election, it
sounds like Russia delivered this election for Donald Trump. Isn't

(58:38):
it the case that on December twentieth, so after on
December ninth, I believe when when Obama said, take all
the you know, partial sources, non sources, fragments, human intelligence,
shove it all in and make it all sound like
it's factual and high credibility. You know that that Putin
was behind it all that on December twenty, yes, like
he does this on the ninth, but on this uber

(59:00):
twentieth is they're doing what they're told, putting together this
Frankenstein monster. CIA career officers still pulled the Putin wanted
Trump to win out of that draft, only to have
Brennan come in and counterman and say no, no, no, put
it back in. I don't know that that's the public
understands how draconian that process is.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
That that sentence was.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Even on December twentieth, is they're trying to make this
new report, this assessment. They couldn't with a clear conscience
put that in there, and he forced it into that document.

Speaker 14 (59:33):
Yeah, that's that's that's a great yeah, the great point.
So so yeah, so he did countermand them, some of
these are the career guys, and they said, this is ridiculous.
This is the flimsiest dog on intelled raw intelligence to
back up such an important conclusion, Are you kidding me?

(59:53):
And so they took it out and he had them
put it back in at the last minute. And so Brennan,
you have to understand, Brennan was Obama's guy. Brendan used
to work in the White House with Obama before Obama
appointed him CIA director. So he's so he's unbelievably political.

(01:00:15):
And I'll tell you, this guy is in deep, deep
Kimchi right now. I mean he You know, there's been
a lot of villains in Washington, but I can't imagine
a more villainous figure right now than John Brennan. I mean,
what he did was so insidious and so pernicious that

(01:00:36):
it just takes your breath away what he did with
this piece of intelligence. This is a this was a
major intelligence assessment, and it was a complete fraud. He
completely juiced it and cooked up the backings of it
and then went and knew how bad it was, so

(01:00:57):
he had to throw in Hillary's dirty into it. It's insane.
But I don't know what, you know, we should have
expected no less from a guy who voted for the
Communist Party candidate. This was back in nineteen seventy six.

(01:01:20):
Jimmy Carter wasn't good enough for him, He wasn't liberal
enough for him. Wow, John Brennan actually voted for the
Communist Party candidate for president.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
What a story he has till I mean a scanned
fragment of a sentence triggered all of this. We played
this bite earlier. Jonathan Turley says, this guy look out
because they've got stuff on this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Yeah, And Brennan is probably the worst on the all.
And he made this document so highly classified that if
you had been a Republican member of Congress reading it
back in the date at the time it was printed,
if you had leaked it or spoke of it in
any way, it was such a serious federal crime. It's
it's the part I've been wondering, why wasn't this, if
it was a Congression document generated by a congressional request,

(01:02:00):
why we never heard a word of Brennan kept it Yeah,
away from everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
You sure did, all right. Now, when we come back,
remember the horrible flooding there in the Hill Country of Texas.
A number of people died, including a lot of kids
at a Christian camp. Well, the fire chief in Austin
is taking a lot of heat for not getting his
team involved in this. We'll talk about that coming up
next here on the Rodding Greg Show on this Friday
afternoon here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Welcome back to the Roding Greg Show on the Thank Rod,
Thank Greg. It's Friday Ronning Greg shows, giving you what
you need here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine can ter s everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I'm the Citizen, Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
You know, I've noticed one thing about this July. Maybe
it's just me. It hasn't been as hot this July
as we've had previous years. Would you agree?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I would, I would agree on I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Don't think we hit one hundred a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Maybe, yeah, I usually the way I know it's a
hot summer is that idling trucks were catching, you know,
the side road on fire because of the heat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
And we're not having those moments.

Speaker 7 (01:03:11):
We're not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
So I think it has been a little cooler comparatively,
something cool, but cooler comparatively than the years past.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Well, there's a startling revelation now on the horrible flooding
in the Hill Country of Texas in which a number
of people were killed. There's a story out now that
the fire chief in Austin, not far away from that area,
decided not to send rescue teams to the flood victims
and to help in this situation the time it was
taking place, because Greg Gets says he didn't want to

(01:03:38):
spend the money, didn't know if he had the money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
But stopped the presses.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Democrats said it was Trump's fault because he was defunding
the National Weather Service, he was defunding FEMA, none of
which had actually then the funding had actually taken place yet,
but they had all this lack of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Funding because of Trump. This whole thing was caused.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Wait a minute, I think there's there's more, actually, someone
on the ground that might have been able to do
the job and maybe help him protect some people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Well, let's dig into this story now with a ghost Meyra.
He is a contributor to The Federalist. He wrote about
this A ghost is always right to have me on
the show. Tell us about this fire Department chief Joel
Baker and what he did or didn't do the night
of that flooding.

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:04:18):
So, like everybody else, I was reading about the flooding,
looking at the pictures. I mean, I live in North Texas,
though I know that area, the hill country near Austin,
and I was reading about it, and something caught my
eye that never really received much attention was that the
Austin fire chief refused to deploy preemptive rescue crews to

(01:04:40):
that area, and I read more about it, and it
sounded like he cited money concerns, he said, but he
was going to get reimbursed for it anyway. But he
seemed to not understand that. So the response was too late,
too little, too late, and a lot of people died,
and the tragedy passed. And most of the argument about

(01:05:04):
the floods were about defunding the Weather Service or not
having them prepared, or how the left was responding, and
they were taking joining it and politicizing it, and this guy,
Chief Baker, Joel Baker, was getting off Scott Freed. Nobody
was talking about the fact that he made a horrible decision,
was utterly incompetent, and took no responsibility for things that

(01:05:26):
he could have prevented had he sent crews out there
in time, and he could have done it. The money
was there, he was being urged to do it, and
he did not do it for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
So it's inexcusable, and you're right, it has not got
the attention it deserves. What about once this event begins
and it starts to dawn on a lot of people
in real time that there is because it's in the
middle of the night. Does he have the same ability,
the same window of opportunity to deploy life saving efforts
then or as his window shut by that point.

Speaker 15 (01:06:01):
It shut. These things happened so fast. And that's the
other thing to understand is that this because I assumed
the way they talked about it was like a once
in a century kind of storm and the flash flood.
But when you read about no, this happens all the time,
like yearly, and so that's why you send cruise beforehand.
And that's why there's a system in place to reimburse

(01:06:23):
the money required to do that. And he just decided
against it because he thought that the department was having
money issues and didn't understand the reimbursement process.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
A ghost. What is his background? How did he get
this job?

Speaker 11 (01:06:36):
That's a good question.

Speaker 15 (01:06:37):
So he's not from Texas. He's from Atlanta, and so
he's an old fireman from Atlanta, and he's black, and
he was bent on diversifying the workforce. And when you
learn about all that, you start to kind of realize, oh,
this is very similar to the Palisa fires where you
had three lesbians in charge of the fire department in

(01:06:59):
LA and they responded horribly to the fires.

Speaker 11 (01:07:02):
The fires got.

Speaker 15 (01:07:03):
Terrible, and everybody was wondering were they doing. And again
it was the same kind of agenda over going to
diversify the fire department and not do that require things
to keep people saved from fires, and say the same
was here, except there are more casualties. And again it
hasn't received that much attention. And those people over in

(01:07:26):
LA they got fired, I mean, or they didn't get
rehired or whatever. Over here, Chief Baker's still there and
he doesn't admit to any wrongdoing or mistakes. He thought
he was totally in right about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
So and so, like the Palisades issue, you have a
fire chief completely obsessed with and really promoting diversity, as
DEI sees it, really spending a lot of political capital
on attention resources. I think the reason we know about
this is because the Austin Firefighters Association Firefighters Association knew
this that they could have done more and should have,

(01:08:00):
and did not have the leadership to do it. So
it was their statement where they said it was clearly
explained to this chief, you have the funds, you can
make this decision now, And he couldn't get his head
around that is that is that accurate?

Speaker 15 (01:08:14):
Yeah, they condemned him and they did a vote of
no confidence the union over there for the firefighters, and yeah,
they it just came out that, oh, we explained how
reimbursement's work. We explained that this is a routine thing.
We explained that we should send people out, and he
just rejected all of it. He didn't seem to understand.

(01:08:35):
And the fact that he's from Atlanta does matter in
these cases because he wasn't familiar with the area. He
wasn't familiar with these flash floods, and so he didn't
respond accordingly. But yeah, this came out of the Union
of the Austin Firefighters, who, for whatever reason, I think
part of it is goodwill. I mean, they just they
felt really terrible that the response was too late and
so many people died, especially the little girls in their

(01:08:57):
Christian camp.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I remember hearing it. I think it was a news
conference that the firefighters themselves had talking about this and saying,
you know, we're embarrassed by this or whatever. They're certainly embarrassed.
Is anybody in Austin saying anything about this, like the
mayor or city council. I mean, it's a very liberal town. Now.
Is anybody there saying you screwed up? Buddy?

Speaker 14 (01:09:18):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:09:19):
I mean, And this is the thing about Austin politics.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
No.

Speaker 15 (01:09:22):
I mean, and I write about this at the end
of my article. It's like Austin is a very liberal city. Yes,
and it is a concentration of all the liberal things.
And they love the West Coast and they want to
imitate the West Coast.

Speaker 11 (01:09:33):
So you have the cool.

Speaker 15 (01:09:34):
Things about West Coast like entertainment, tech and you know,
micro breweries and all that, but then you had the
bad stuff, which is the progressive politics. So the mayor
there and the city council there, you haven't seen anything
like even you saw in La, Like even Karen Bass
and the city council in La. We're willing to kind
of just ditch this person who did a bad job.

(01:09:55):
And so I mean, Karen Bass, yourselves did a bad
job too. But there's nothing like that in all Austin.
They're just kind of really trying to move on from
this issue. And I mean, I'm surprised that I was
the one to really write about this. I mean, there
are a few outlets other places that kind of mention it,
but it hasn't received a lot of attention because all
the argument has been over you know, leftist taking this

(01:10:16):
and making that political issue blah blah blah blah, and
no one was talking about, well there were things that
could have been done that we're not done and they
have not been addressed yet.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
So Austin's doing nothing. Where do we go from here?
Is this a lesson that we better keep front of
mind for the rest of the nation. If Austin isn't
going to do with it, well, I guess what do
we do with the information we have?

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Do you think?

Speaker 15 (01:10:36):
Well, you know, my goal with the article is just
to kind of share the news, put the message out there.
I mean, people need to know what happened. I think
right now is just spreading awareness, letting people know like
this was a huge scandal, like this guy really.

Speaker 11 (01:10:50):
Dropped the ball and he's still there.

Speaker 15 (01:10:52):
So I think what you do is that you talk
to your you know, your friends and neighbors and especially
people who live in the Austin area, say, look, politics
took over here, they put a DEI higher here and
people die because of it. So I mean, for the
time being, we can just supply public pressure in that
sense by spreading awareness. But you know, you can just
hope and pray that the people of Austin, you know,

(01:11:14):
get over themselves and stop harassing Greg Abbott who has
to deal with them, and the homeless people there and
all that. And yeah, I mean, you just kind of
put pressure because there hasn't been much on this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Guy on our newsmaker line, it goes may Rai. He
is a contributor to the Federalist talking about the horrible
flooding there in the Hill Country of Texas. All Right,
our listen Back Friday segments coming up next right here
on The Rodding Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine knrs. All right, welcome back, final half

(01:11:56):
hour the Rotting Greg Show with you on this Thank
Roddin Greg is Friday and Talk one five nine Kate
and are as great to be with you. Time now
for our listen back fighting segments. You know, we had
so much news this week, Greg to talk about that.
We love looking back and seeing some of the newsmakers
that we spoke to and playing back some of those interviews.
One we spoke to was our next guest Reggie Johnson.

(01:12:19):
He's directed of the Utah Public Lands Policy Coordinating Office,
and the story is that Utah lawmakers are not giving
up in their fight with the federal government, Greg to
get some federal land back.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
That's right. Joining us on the program was Reg Johnson. Reg,
thank you for joining us on the show. Look, we
go back to the Sagebrush rebellion, you can go all
the way to today. Utah has been treated like a
second class state with the control and of the federal
government over most of the land here in Utah. It's
good for me to hear that you haven't given up
this fight and that we're still going to do something

(01:12:50):
about it. What can you do to push back on
a federal government that really controls our whole state?

Speaker 11 (01:12:56):
Thanks for the question. You know, most people east the
Mississippi have no idea that some of the states out
here are like Utah. Sixty six two thirds of our
state is public lands owned by the federal government. Nevada
is in even worship and that creates some real problems
when it comes to taxes for some of these rural counties.

(01:13:18):
Some counties like Wayne County and Kinge County, they're ninety
five plus percent public lands, so there's very little tax base,
which makes it hard for funding schools and those other things.
So yeah, we're definitely interested in making sure that these
lands are managed and that these rural counties especially have
opportunities for economic development. Now, are we talking about selling

(01:13:43):
all those public lands. No, that's not what we're talking about.
What we're talking about is better management of those public
lands so that the wildfire risk is reduced. We have
economic opportunities when it comes to grazing, recreation, mining, timber development.
You know, all these wildfires that we're seeing now, duel loads,

(01:14:05):
et cetera, Why aren't we harvesting some of that timber
instead of watching it all go up in smoke. So
we want equal opportunity. But that doesn't mean that we're
looking to sell all of our public lands, which has
been the methods that some of these special interest groups
have been pushing out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
As Greg just pointed out, we've been involved in this
battle for a long time, going even back to the
Stage Brush rebellion. Are the odds are more in favor
for us at this point than maybe any other time
during this And if so, why.

Speaker 11 (01:14:38):
Well, I'd say that probably better odds than they were
at least since Reagan was in office. And you know,
I think we have the Supreme Court that's favorable to
looking at some of these issues as far as they
equal standing with other states, and we have a present
that's interested in looking at some of these lands. And

(01:15:01):
you know, and I want to jump back a little
bit to the sale of some of these lands. You know,
we have made an effort, like Mike Lee's effort recently,
we have done an analysis here at our office. And
you know, the Wilderness Society came out with the map
that was eighteen and a half million acres of Utah's
up for sale. Our analysis here at our Public Lands

(01:15:24):
office is seven thousand acres is what we're actually looking at.
So the myth information out there around what we're looking
at for affordable housing in some of these rural communities,
it's just crazy because we're not looking at selling off,
you know, vast lands. We're looking at selling some of
these vacant lots inside city limits.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Regie, explain to our listeners, because you say it so
well in this article public Lands. You're talking where people recreate.
You have no interest in paving this over. Talk about
what the role of where Utah's recreator people come to
Utah to recreate what's what do you how do you
see that staying the way it is? And then I
guess the second part of that question is this patchwork
these islands inside of counties and cities that people don't realize,

(01:16:07):
or federal land which become a mess. So I guess,
what's the role of public lands in your mind as
a leader in the state and what about this patchwork
of federal land that's inside of incorporated cities and counties.

Speaker 11 (01:16:19):
Thanks for the question. Let me take the second part first.
So public lands inside city limits really, like I said before,
they're vacant lots. There's about twenty two acres down in
Saratoga Springs. It's just a vacant lot, almost completely surrounded
by houses. Now there's an entire block in Richfield in

(01:16:41):
central Utah that's being used by the Forest Service that's
not vacant. They use it to store like machinery and stuff.
But why can't we use another for service parcel for
that and put housing that is completely surrounded by housing
there in Richfield. So there's forty acres right off of
the inner Change in biab. So those are the parcels

(01:17:03):
that we were interested in under the Leeze language and
under represented Malloy's attempts. So that's where we're talking about.
There are islands like that that really makes sense that
we use them for housing or maybe for parks or
other amenities for our local communities. When it comes to

(01:17:23):
what we think of when we say public lands, those
are national forests, our national parks, our blm lands where
we hunt and recreate and do disperse camping and mountain
biking and all those things. We are absolutely not interested
in seeing those paved over or developed or anything. The
state spends literally millions of dollars a year protecting access

(01:17:47):
to our public lands and spending money on watershed restoration
to make sure our watersheds are in better shape. The
state's actually spending money on federal lands to make them
better for our public So there's no way that we're
going to go out and sell off the public lands
where we recreate and do all those great activities.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Gosh, and I was thinking, Reggie, we're going to build
a nice, big hotel right under the delegate arch. I mean,
that's what I was looking for. Nixt, let me ask you.
Let me ask you one final question here. Senator Lee
was unsuccessful, and here's efforts to get through anything in Congress.
Can the administration do more or can they simply take

(01:18:27):
this over and move it in the direction that you're
in favor of? Can that be done with all this
gobbledegook of the courts and the Senate.

Speaker 11 (01:18:36):
So there are tools that we can use to look
at some of these lands for housing, but the tools
take sometimes you know, years and sometimes decades in order
to go through the entire process, which is what we
were excited about with Senator Leesville is it would just
truncate that process by years. So we will continue to

(01:18:57):
look at other avenues. We can do land trade with Sittler,
you know, but those require Congressional action. So yes, we'll
still continue to look at some of those options for
those isolated island properties. I guess that's that's the direction
we're going on those parcels. But to reiterate, yeah, we're

(01:19:18):
not building developments on our national parks. We're not building developments,
you know, on wilderness areas and monuments and those kinds
of things just not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Rogie Johnson, Director of the Utah Public Lands Policy Coordinating Office.
It's part of our Listen Back Friday segment right here
on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one
O five nine can ar us. Let's go to amby
now for a news update.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
It's the Rodding Greg Show. It's a Thank Rod, Thank Greg.
It's Friday Rodd and Greg Show on Utah's Talk radio
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Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
You'll love it. It's a glorious day because it's Friday.
That's right, and we're heading into the weekend. Right, I'm ready,
All right, let's continue with our Listen Back Friday segments.
You know, Greg, Utah lawmakers are really focused on making
sure that Utah is on the leading edge of energy development,
and we spoke earlier this week with State Representative Tyler Clancy.
He's formed a new coalition called Unleashing Utah, and we

(01:20:36):
talked to him about that and asked him why this
new coalition is so very important to the state of Utah.

Speaker 16 (01:20:41):
Well, that's a great question.

Speaker 17 (01:20:42):
I think the number one thing is it's about competitiveness
on the global scale when you look at things like semiconductors,
when you look at the critical minerals needed to really
propel us into the next century, whether it's defense or tech.

Speaker 16 (01:20:58):
UTAH is pretty uniqe in the sense that we have
access to those critical minerals right here in our home state.
So we're launching this coalition to make sure that UTAH
is leading the way that we're not seeding our industrial base,
we're not seeding our energy production to people that are
our geopolitical foes. And so it's it's pretty simple, but

(01:21:20):
there's a broad coalition and we're excited to see where
it leads.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
You know, I recognized and I love the editorial because
what it says to me is that you're these stakeholders
you're bringing together, are public servants, they're business leaders, those
that want us to be which we all I think
want to be good stewards of the land. So I
think it's a great coalition and something that should be done.
Let me ask you this, a representative, you list a
number of things, the rare minerals. You know, they're nuclear

(01:21:47):
there's a lot of good energy potential out there. What
about clean coal because it is clean here, high low carbon,
high BTU coal here in Utah. And natural gas. We
have such great reserves of natural gas. Are these enter
sources on the table with your coalition?

Speaker 16 (01:22:04):
One, and I'll tell you two things that you know.
When President Biden canceled the Keystone XFL pipeline on day one,
we saw that there was not an reduced demand for oil.
We just shipped it in from Russia via boat and
then we drove it across the border. And so we

(01:22:25):
have to do it here. As you mentioned, we can
do it so much better, not just for the environmental aspect,
but also ethically right when we're doing when we're getting
these things from our foes like Russia or the Communist
Party of China, they do not have the same labor
standards that we have. They're not paying people good wages.

(01:22:47):
And these are good jobs that have dignity that you
can put a roof over your head and feed your
family on. And those are the jobs that we need
to bring to Utah. And so absolutely, when we say
all the above, you know we really mean it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Well, how would you describe or give us an update
on the status of our race with China when it
comes to these critical minerals. Are we anywhere close to them?
Are they way ahead of us? What is the status
of the race between US and China on these important
energy issues.

Speaker 16 (01:23:17):
It's such a good question, and you know there's going
to be a natural disparity when you look at we
just passed permitting reform. It was house built eighty five
to give industry more clarity about what the EQ and
our regulatory framework expects from our industry. Well, in China
they have no regulations, right, they can go flute in

(01:23:40):
a river, and so to some extent, we're never going
to be move at to speed. But I think we
can do it sustainably. Right, we can build a supply
chain that when another COVID type pandemic or an event
like that happens, we're not reliant on ninety three percent
of our pharmaceutical drugs coming from a country that you know,

(01:24:01):
in its charter essentially in as strategic Plan, it talks
about overthrowing the United States. So those are the kinds
of things I think we can do. I think AI
adds a unique element to this. The United States. We
bring the best and brightest minds from all over the
world to really be a hub for innovation. And so
I'm excited to see too what that leads as well.

(01:24:22):
I don't I don't have a crystal ball. I can't
really see, you know, even ten years with the type
of growth that AI and these different technologies are happening.
But I can tell you that we want to lead
the way in Utah and be fertile soil for for
what's next.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
You know, I have to laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
AI has actually it's dawned on everybody that there needs
to be so much more power. The grid as we
have it now can even accommodate for the demands that
AI would requires that as that steps up, so you
have some of the people that have been leftists who
wanted to decrease our power generation actually become advocates for
nuclear and other and other sources. So everybody seems to

(01:24:59):
become an long and getting on the same page. We
in Utah used to mine uranium. We have rare minerals.
We have a mind that just was discovered in Wyoming
that's getting a lot of attention. It was expedited federally
so they can start to mine there in Wyoming rare minerals.
What do we do about Grand County where you have Moab,
you have rare minerals there. They've been mined in that

(01:25:20):
county before. I'm sure there's other counties where it's the same.
Do you see a future Do you see a trajectory
where we're going to be able to mine uranium, which
is incredibly important and other rare minerals. Is that on
the horizon for Utah?

Speaker 16 (01:25:34):
Absolutely? And I think when you look at the nuclear
being part of our solutions here in Utah, that it
makes sense to do it right here domestically. I think
one of the thing that President Trump has talked about
when it comes to mining is we've also got to
build a pipeline to the workforce. And I think so
as we look at this when we're targeting these energy

(01:25:57):
you know, sectors like nuclear or or what it takes
to get there and mining in these different enrichment processes,
we also need to look downstream at what do we
need to do with the workforce. Right Mike Rowe, you
know who had to show dirty jobs. He's been going
across the country right now talking about this, that these

(01:26:18):
are the kinds of jobs that can that can lift
a family out of intergenerational poverty with skilled wages. I
talked to an apprenticeship provider just two months ago, and
I and I was they were talking about cranes and operators,
things that you would need on a job site like that.
He said, our apprenticeship program is full, but the amount

(01:26:40):
of jobs that the demand is for, we're still looking
outside of the state to fill them right here and
right now. So you can only imagine if we five
x that or connect that in the next decade or two,
that we're going to need to make sure that our
secondary education, we're teaching our youth that it's okay to
work with your hands. There's dignity in working hard and

(01:27:03):
you know, doing labor to put food on the table.
And that's something I think too that's got to go
hand in hand with.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
This representative, with this coalition, this emerging coalition that you're
write about. What will success look like to you? When
do you say we've succeeded in what our goal is?

Speaker 16 (01:27:21):
Well, you you alluded to this earlier, rob when you
when you talked about the grid. Energy is wealth. An
abundance of energy will make us a prosperous state and
a prosperous country. So we don't want to find ourselves.
I think it's easier to identify what failure looks like,
you know, as you as you mentioned, But I think

(01:27:43):
what a success look like is we want to we
want to as we continue to grow, as we continue
to have young people grow up and you know, uh
buy houses and things. When we're flipping on the light switch,
you're not you're not worried about rolling blackouts like you're
seeing in Europe where they've had this stagnant, very de
growth type mindset. We want to be abundant in energy,

(01:28:07):
which means good jobs, which means dignity for families, and
it also means safety when there's natural disasters, when there's terrorism,
and our grid is secure, and those are the kinds
of things that we're looking at. So while it's easier
to identify what we don't want to be like, I
think that's going to be part of this coalition's mission

(01:28:28):
is to tap into that and say, what do we
want you taugh to look like in fifty years, in
one hundred years, what would success when it comes to
our energy grid really look like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Say representative Tyler Clancy part of our Listen Back Friday
segment here on the Rotting Greg Show. Any big weekend plans,
mister Hughes, you're getting ready to get out of sound.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Yeah, not nothing huge right now. Just hanging out, Yeah,
hanging out with the fan.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Joy in the weather.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
That's right.

Speaker 16 (01:28:50):
Open.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Golf, golf.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
I'm gonna try and squeeze one in as well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Please do because when we play, if you haven't golfed,
it's just I hate carrying the things.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I mean, it's just you know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Carrying any all right, That does it for us tonight,
as we say each and every night, head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family in this great
country of ours. Have a great, great weekend. Everybody, be
safe out there. We'll talk to you on Monday.

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