The Rod and Greg Show: Turning Point USA Returns to Utah; Abortion is Now Red Vs. Blue Issue

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
TPUSA has returned to the state of Utah, and there
will be a big event starting at what six point
thirty tonight, And there's already a crowd, a lot of
students out here, a lot of law enforcement drones buzzing overhead.
They weren't following me, but it was starting to feel
a little awkward as it.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Was above my head the whole time you've been up
on the campus. I know you haven't had a lot
of time to walk around, Greg, but what's your sense
up there with a crowd gathering? Is there excitement up there?
What's the sense.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
You feel there is I got here a few hours ago,
and you know they had some It's been raining all day,
I think all throughout the Utah.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's been a rainy day today.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
But so I think it quieted maybe some people getting
here too early, but it was easily a few hours
before it was the beginning. There was a line of students,
and so I went and approached some and asked them
why they were here and why it was important to
come here. So we have some of that for the
for you to listen to folks on the show. But look,
I think people, I think there is a lot of

(01:01):
excitement about this. There was a bomb scare. There was
a text to evacuate a building. I spoke with the sheriff,
the Cash County sheriff. They're bomb They've got people for that, so,
you know, And they were able to destroy the package
that was left somewhere conspicuously.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
They think it was just a hoax.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
But even that wasn't high drama.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
People running around. Everything seems to be very calm.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
And there's a lot of students just gathering around the
basketball arena right now getting ready for the and it
doesn't start till six thirty and we're what, we're two
and a half hours before it begins, so it seems
to be a lot of energy.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, we'll hear from some of those students and some
other people who are trying to get into that event
here in a little bit. We've got a lot to
talk about today, Greg Boy, did Pete Haigseeth ever go
after the military today? Basically said we want a mean,
lean fighting machine. We're going to get it. And he
said no more fat generals or fat troops.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I mean, I don't know what I mean. I haven't
been in the military, but you know, my family members that.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Have been, and it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
It wasn't a big Schmrgsborg buffet that they had ate
out every day. Seemed to be pretty physically demanding in
the time that they spent there. And it doesn't seem
it doesn't seem out of place for a ready military
to be fit. It seems like it goes hand in
hand in glove to me.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know, they're and there are a lot I've been
I've been kind of gauging reaction to it since he
gave that address this morning in Quantago, and there are
a lot of the military personnel who are behind him
on this saying, yeah, we you know, we need a lean,
mean fighting machine, uh in our US military, a military
that can adapt quickly. And I think he made a

(02:48):
couple of good points today. Greg. We'll get into this
a little bit later on as well, but I think
it was a pretty good speech. Plus, Greg, we're staring
tonight looks like it's about to happen a government shut down,
and this time it's the Democrats, and hopefully the American
people understand this is not the Republicans doing. This is
all about the Democrats and they're wanting more money and

(03:11):
members in the House. In the Senate, the Republicans are saying,
no more, you just aren't getting another one point five
trillion dollars. You aren't getting.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
It, you know, And what I don't want to see
lost in the narrative, and certainly our listener, smartest listening
audience and all the land, they'll know the difference very quickly.
But some people are trying to say, oh, when the Democrats,
when the Republicans wanted to shut down the government, they
didn't care what was going to happen.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now the Republicans don't want to shut down the government.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Now they're worried, and they're trying to convey a hypocrisy
in all of it. But here's where it is just
absolutely consistent. When the Republicans didn't want to sign on
to reckless over the cliff spending that we cannot sustain
and we cannot continue, they wanted a skinnier budget, and

(03:58):
that's what they were holding out for what the end.
The Democrats are saying, well, you'll have to shut down
the government if you want that, because we're going to
spend you know till this, you know, till the cows
come home. Well, it's the same policy dispute right now.
Now that the Republicans are in charge of the House, Senate,
and the executive branch, they do want to skin your government.
They don't want to spend more Schumer. The Schumer shut

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down will be because they want over a trillion dollars
of additional spending now. And they and that's that was
the problem when they were in control, they wanted a
trillion more spent dollars spent then. So I think Republicans
are being consistent on trying to slow down this this
really reckless spending. And with the control of the House
and the Senate and the Presidency, it's the Democrats that

(04:43):
are gonna have to shut down the government to try
and force that.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
And I don't think it's going to work. I don't
think the American people are going.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
To go for it and spend a trillion more because
Schumer and the rest of the loans want it.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, what the Democrats want, Greg, like you said, they
want one point five trillion dollars. This was money that
was taken out as result of the Big Beautiful Bill.
They want money to give Medicare and healthcare to illegal aliens.
And they want to continue or restore funding to the
Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which is NPR and PBS. And

(05:14):
I you know, I admire Republicans at this point, Greg,
because I think they're standing firm. I think they the
president has got their back. If the Democrats want to
shut down government, there's a little irony here. It may
allow the president to do more than just shut down,
you know, cut some spending. He may we may have
a second Doge chapter coming our way as a result
of this, and we'll talk about that as well. But

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there could be anywhere from one hundred and fifty to
two hundred thousand federal employees that if the government shuts down,
they may have to shut down permanently because they may
not have a job to come back to.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, if you need a reduction in force, put a
bow on this might be a brilliant way to do it.
Just say, well, don't let the door hit you on
the way out. We need a reduction in force. Nobody
seems to want to slow down from the COVID days.
I mean, you can't get getting back to pre COVID,
which was supposed to be a pandemic and a state
of emergency. Nobody wants to get to the non state
of emergency pre COVID spending limits, which by the way,

(06:10):
weren't too skinny on their own before COVID hit.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
But the Democrats and you know in the.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
In the swampy, they don't want they're not the pandemic
means nothing, the state of emergency means nothing.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
They want that spending to accelerate.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
And I think that that the Democrats might be handing
the Republicans and President Trump the easiest way to slow
down a growth that you know, government growth that you
know usually once the Leviathan grows, you can't ever see
a shrink back. This might be the way to do it,
and the Democrats will have inflicted it on themselves by
by refusing this. By the way, it's just a continuing

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wasis cr continuing resolution. It's not even a new budget.
It's just saying we're gonna hold serf, we're gonna do
what we've been doing. I mean, that's not even like
skyfalling scenarios. So I don't know, it's uh, I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
And I Democrats have always been good at always laying
the blame at the Republican's feet, regardless of who controlled
the Congress. Regardless of who was president, republic Party was president,
it was always, always, always the Republican's fault. This time,
I think that the public's on it.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I think these Democrats, Yeah, I think they are one
Democrat who is making sense. Greg And this is surprised
to in me ever since the election. Is John Fetterman.
Listen to what Fetterman said today with Maria Bartiroma.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
It is always always wrong to shut our government down.
That is a core responsibility. I'm always going to vote
against those things. And if it's the Republican side or
now it's our side, I'm going to condemn it as
well too, especially with the kinds of chaos that we
are facing after Kirk and now there is a Cat

(07:51):
five storm that might hit our nation too now, and
you're willing to threaten ours down. I was the only
Democrat voting again, and now that CR was the same
CR from the Biden administration as well too. I'm a
big believer of if you want to change the policies,
win elections.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I love that coming. If you want to change policy,
just go win elections, don't shut down the guy.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Has there ever been a time where a stroke and
counseling have made someone absolutely smart, sound and like reasonable,
because I don't recognize John Fetterman from the.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Guy that ran for the Senate, but he is. He is.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
What he's saying is not is not a lie. It's
all true and it's common sense. And I think that
I think John Fetterman understands that his party is losing
the common sense everyday Americans support or vote, and I
think he's he gets it. So I don't know why
it's just one of them. There should be more of

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them that are trying to do it. But at his point, again,
we can't break arms patting ourselves on the back. This
is the same budget that was in the administration, so
it's not like we've we've cut a ton. Although the
Big Beautiful Bill did make some great cuts, and the
Recision Act where they were able to say, here's some
money that Congress appropriate that we actually don't need, they
were able to pair that back as well.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
But there's still a budget fight coming.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
This is just to kind of keep that keep things
running as they continue to negotiate.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
So I I think.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
John Fetterman's talking sense, and I'm shocked he's the lone
voice out there on the Democrats side, he's the one.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well. Greg gets up at Utah State University broadcasting live
from Logan in preparation for the big tp USA event
taking place tonight there at the basketball Arena at Utah State.
He had a chance to talk with some people who
are lined up and planning to attend. We'll let you
hear what they have to say coming up as the
Rod and Greg Show continue continues on this Tuesday right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's already crowded here, a lot of people around and
I had an opportunity earlier in the day, and I'm
talking a couple hours ago. We had toudents who were
lining up, young people that were lining up outside. It
had been raining today, so it was a little windy,
but they were undaunted, the people that were there. So
I stopped a few of them and asked them, you know,
why they were here, Just wanted to get to know,

(10:12):
just see what was on their minds. It's you know,
it's an emotional time to see tp USA coming back
to Utah after the tragedy that happened on September tenth
with Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Why have you decided to come to the event today, Well.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
I was already planning on going to the scheduled event today.
I had at my calendar and I thought what happened
was an absolute attack on freedom of speech. So it
gave me even more motivation to get here out and
get out here today.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
What's the purpose of an event like this? What do
you think they're trying?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
What's Turning Point USA trying to do with the students
here on campus?

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Do you think I think with the institutions kind of
teaching the leftist ideologies at such an insane rate that,
you know, Republican students or conservative students or even libertarian
students need to know there's someone out there that agrees
with them and to hear, you know what educated people
and their uh, you know, their walk of life speak,
speak their truth.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Why did you decide to come to the tp USA
event here at Utashta University.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Well, I'm going to be completely honest. With everything that's
been going on this month, I felt a lot of
fear and hopelessness regarding being a conservative and also being
a Christian along as Charlie Kirk and but watching I've
been basically non stop watching Charlie Kirk and listening, and

(11:30):
I just feel like it's important to keep showing up
and keep fighting, basically because backing down will never That's
just the second. The second we lose is.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
The second we stop showing up.

Speaker 8 (11:43):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
So this is the turning point.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
USA is returning after the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk.
His assassination and them returning to Utah, did that make
you less likely or more likely to come to this
event here on campus?

Speaker 7 (11:59):
It's definitely going to be more likely. I probably wouldn't
have shown up, but.

Speaker 9 (12:08):
It just felt.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
It just felt important.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
It feels more important now.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
What made you decide to come to the event today?

Speaker 9 (12:16):
I feel really inspired by Charlie's life, and I wanted
to honor him. He's a phenomenal man with such courage
and dedication to his values, and I never want to
forget him.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
So it's really important Tpusa's return. This was actually always
on the schedule. But given the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
were you more afraid to come?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Were you more determined? Or did it not make a difference.

Speaker 9 (12:40):
I would say nervous, yes, but that would never stop me.
We're going to continue forward, and I believe Tpussay is
only going to grow stronger, bolder, and make such an
impact on this world for good.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
You know, Greg, It'll be interesting to see what kind
of a crowd they get up there tonight. But my
guess is they're going to pack the place.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Oh absolutely, I agree. I agree.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, I'm seeing it just from just within the
last thirty minutes. You're starting to see the even more
and more peers. Already there are already a lot.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Of people here, but you're starting to see it even
get more crowded. I agree with you. I think it's
going to be a packed house.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
And I want to make I want to just mention
when I ask these students, these students aren't trumping at
the bit to say something. They're a bit shy. They're
they're there, but they and they want to participate. But
they're not super excited about being interviewed. But they felt
strongly about They felt strong I said about I explained
why I was interviewing students and I wanted to understand more.
And you can hear you can hear in their voice

(13:38):
it's just very very heartfelt. There's not there's not a
lot of bravado going on with these students. They just
there is a deep feeling of wanting to be here
for a myriad of reasons, most of which that they
believe that they're they're spiritual, they believe they're Christians, and
they believe in Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
But they believe in their Lord and they don't want
anyone that.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
To intimidate them or make it so that what happened
to Charlie Kirk would work. They want to show their
support and it was I. I was I everyone, even
those that we're not willing to speak on the record.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
People are.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's not a jumping around and it's not like a
football game. It's not like a basketball game, and it
has a very different feel to it.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Pro Well, Yeah, from what you can see so far
from people lining up out there, Greig and I think
you've got a pretty good advantage advantage point right now?
Are they Does it look like they're mostly students? Is
there a mix of students and people who obviously are
not students? What can you tell from this point?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
For the most part students. There are some I would
imagine parents with some of these students, but there are some.
There's certainly people that are not students that are here.
But the far majority that I observed, uh this this
many hours before the start of the of the event
were students that were around by the way, and lots
of drones, lots of drugs, So you know, lots of drugs.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Did you do you have to have a ticket to
get in?

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Do you had?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like you had to get online and you had to
get a t to be able to get inside the event.
So those that are coming there, that were lining up,
they had their whatever tickets that they needed to get online.
Students given the first obviously the first priority for the event,
and adults that were not students at USU were more
than a second tier. But it looks like, like I said,

(15:22):
I think most of the people that are here are
are students from so far.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
We'll see as we get closer to the event.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, how about security, You were talking about a lot
of security up there today. Some of it could be drones.
Those could be law enforcement drones. We don't know. But
what about security at this point? What are you see?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, those are law enforcement drones. Some are actually it's
like I said, it's a little windy up here, so
some are tethered to rope or some so that they
stay still. It is it's multi jurisdictional law enforcement. You
have Utah State University Police, you have the the Logan
Police Department, and you have the Cash County Sheriff's Department
all three, and you have the Estate our Public Department

(16:03):
of Public Safety. You have our state troopers here as well.
So I counted four different law enforcement jurisdictions coordinating together
here at the event today. So it's it's there is
certainly a strong presence felt, but not overbearing. Everybody's nice,
everybody's pointing people the right direction where to go. It

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doesn't feel draconian at all, but there is a lot
of there's understandably a lot of security and law enforcement here.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Turning Point USA is back in Utah tonight for an
event up at Utah State University and Logan. Greg Hughes
is there. We'll be talking more with Greg, and we've
got a lot of other things to talk about today,
including Pete Haig Seth getting after the military and a
possible shutdown could be only a couple of hours away.
So we've got a lot to get to today, and
we invite you to stay with us right here on

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Utah's Talk Radio one O five to nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Turning Point, USA will be holding its big event returning
to Utah at six point thirty, and the crowds are
forming and had a chance to walk around a little bit,
talk to people, got to kind of got to feel
the place for you folks, so you kind of it's
like you're here yourself.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I'm trying to let you it's like you get your
front row seat.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
But yeah, it's a it's a there's a lot of
people and it's it's just getting more crowded.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I'm glad I got the parking spot I got, and
I got it.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Do we have any idea, Greg, what the program will
be tonight? Have you seen any outline as to what
the program actually is going to be?

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Not yet.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
We did see a list of speakers Senator Mike Lee.
We saw Jason Chafitz, Governor Spencer Cox as well, but
those are the only ones.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
That I know of.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
But I've heard rumor that there might be a surprise
guest at this at this event tonight, but the only
rumors so far, so I don't want to say it
unless it's not true, but I've heard of a rumored
guest that would be well received if that person were
to actually participate.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
So well, there's a lot of well find out. Yeah,
and we'll Greg's up there throughout the afternoon. Hopefully we'll
be able to talk to some more people who are
attending that event tonight. A couple of other big stories today.
Of course, we've got the government shut down that could
happen tonight. We'll have to wait and see Greg. We'll
talk about that, well, boy, Pete Haigsath. Today the Secretary
of War met with all the leaders, all the generals

(18:20):
from the US military. They were gathered today at Quantigo
and I think basically his message to all of them,
not only the generals but military personnel in general is
shape up or ship out. He wants a lean, mean
fighting machine.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, you know what, And I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I've looked on X I've watched some of the commentary,
and it looks like the members of the military, even
veterans who who were battle ready that have stayed fit,
it's music to their ears. I read some comments from
veterans whose own sons are now serving in the armed forces,
and this is the military that they want for their
sons to be a member of one that does emphasize

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being battle ready and to be fit and to be
able to meet those standards of a of a fighting machine,
of a military and armed forces. It's it seems very intuitive,
and of the people that criticize this or say that
it's not isn't it funny. We're not supposed to know
any difference between men and women, according to these leftists.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I mean, we're not supposed to.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So why would you have different physical fitness standards if
it's all so fluid. Make it the highest standard.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
And you know, if you were a guy one day,
you could be a girl next day, but your your standards.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Should be the same.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I don't know why you would have lower standards for
for females if if there's not if it's just a
social construct and it's not real. So let the standards
be high. And I think we interviewed once Rod, someone
that was in the military. She she liked having the
standards high and she wanted to meet the same standards
of the men that were that she was serving with
because she didn't want to be seen at any kind

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of lower standard and she welcomed those standards being where
they were.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, so I think it's good. It makes all the
sense to me.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Well, here's the summation of what hag Zas said earlier
today to the military leaders.

Speaker 10 (20:12):
This administration has done a great deal from day one
to remove the social justice, politically correct, and toxic ideological
garbage that had infected our department.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
We are done with that.

Speaker 10 (20:24):
It's tiring to look out at combat formations or really
any formation and see fat troops. Likewise, it's completely unacceptable
to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of
the Pentagon. We're empowering drill sergeants to instill healthy fear
in new recruits. Yes they can shark attack, they can
toss bunks, they can swear, and yes they can put

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their hands on recruits.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, he got after him, and he just like I said, Greg,
he just wants a ready military, toughest in the world.
Don't want to ever use it, but if we have to,
we're going to be ready. And I think that was
the message that Haig said and the President, who spoke
for about fifty minutes before the leaders today, that was

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the message. Time to shape up, folks, And I love
hearing it.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
And it's not They're not inventing anything new.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
I think they're going back to the standards that were
always the case. If you go back and you look
at our military, these are not These are the standards
that were always the standards.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
We've gotten away from those.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I mean, again, going back to the comments, because I've
not served in the military, but those that have, their
commentary means a lot, carries a lot of weight with me.
They're saying that over the last ten to twenty years,
those standards have just started to be watered down and
less respected, and they want to get back to a
ready military as it used to be. And and I

(21:45):
that makes again, that makes all the sense in the
world to me. It's not they're not raising brand new
standards no one's ever heard of before. They're just trying
to get back to the standards that we once had.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, you know what I heard this earlier today. I
can't remember where I heard this from, Greg, but the
comment was, and it may have been one of the
generals on Fox News today, is that what Pete Haig
Seth and certainly Donald Trump are trying to do is
the fact that the US State Department is no longer
going to lead the US military because that's what we've

(22:15):
had over the years. You know, they want to introduce democracy,
they want a nation build, and that's always been led
by the State Department and the military right behind him.
They're now saying, no, that's not in anymore. We are separate,
we are doing our thing. And I think that's exactly
what the President Pete haig Seth said today. The War
Department will stand on its own and not follow the

(22:37):
lead of the State Department. And I think that's the
way the American people want it.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
And I think if you just looked at the amount
of full time employees that the State Department has grown
within the last couple of administrations, certainly it's dwarfed. I
remember when the State Department didn't like Ronald Reagan. They
thought he was a bit too uncouse. He wasn't he
was too sophisticated for them. The State Department. They when
we said, mister Gorbischeff, tear down this wall, they were mortified.

(23:05):
The State Department was that he would say such a thing.
Look at how much bigger those types of people are now.
The State Department is now from the Reagan era. They
are Elebiathan. They are giant, they are legion, and it
is time to pair it back, and it's time for
the Department of War to act on its own and

(23:26):
protecting this country.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well remember, yeah, remember the hissy fit the State Department
employees through a couple of months ago. What was it
about one thousand, maybe fifteen hundred being laid off and
all you know, this guy is falling. This guy is falling.
The State Department has anywhere from thirty five to fifty
thousand employees, and Marco Rubio said, fifteen hundred. We don't
want to see anyone lose their job, but come on,

(23:47):
give me a break here.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, And they say that while you know, when Biden
took office that the people that were laid off on
the Keystone pipeline projects that were being done that they
they put so they they unemployed so many Americans, hard
working Americans, and nobody care. We never heard a whimper
from that swamp. And now just a you know, half

(24:10):
a percent if gets laid off or let go, and
they just think the sky's falling again.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Charlie Kirk can be assassinated.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
No discussion of the threat to freedom of speech First
Amendment rights. Their fat friend a late night talk show
guy Jimmy Kimmel gets suspended. Yeah, and it's the worst
thing they've ever seen. It's the same mentality, it's the same.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
It's them.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
There's a few of them, and there's a club and
you and I and the American people aren't invited.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's not our club, it's their club.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, that's for sure. All right. We've got a lot
more to get to today. Great to be with you
here on the Rodden Greg Show, as Greg broadcast live
from Logan as they get ready for a big event tonight.
I'll at USU. It's Turning Point USA returning to Utah.
More coming up. Greg, of course, is up in Logan
this afternoon, broadcasting live from Utah State University where Turning

(25:00):
Point USA will be holding a big event tonight. Governor Cox,
Senator Lee, Congressman Chafits scheduled to speak as well. Remember Greg,
after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, everybody was talking about
toning down the political rhetoric, right, you know, we've just
got to bring it down to a level. As a
matter of fact, Sixty Minutes did a big piece with

(25:22):
Governor Cox this weekend of him talking about you know,
let's lower the temperature a little bit. Well, apparently it
didn't take long, but apparently people are going right back
to that. This is an amazing story. Randy Weingarten, who
is the president of the American Federation for Teacher she
was on what was at MSNBC this Morning with Morning
Joe and talked about something. They noticed that she was wearing.

(25:45):
She was wearing a paper clip on her lapel, and
they asked her to explain why. Here's what she said.

Speaker 11 (25:51):
There is a reason why in Norway, when the Nazis
took over Norway, That's why I'm wearing this paper clip.
I wear two things now, the American flag, nobody can
take patriots them away from me, and a paper clip.
What did the teachers in Norway do when there was
when there was a Nazi occupation? They started wearing paper clips?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Is that toning down the rhetoric? Greg that now we're
living in Nazi occupation of courts?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Not they they are so they they have no warnings.
They can't stop calling Republicans, Americans Trump Nazis. She doesn't
even it doesn't even dawn on her that what she's
saying continues to foment hate. It's just been there. It's
been the state of play for them for so long.
They don't know how to turn it off. And it's
it's dangerous we're watching it play out that way. But

(26:36):
they're not mature enough, they're not serious enough, and they
are just too deranged in their partisanship to actually start
being responsible. And with the things they say and the
things they do, she's she is something else. She always
is good for a headline, but not for very good reasons.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, and the thing about this, Greg is, you know,
this is a lead of a very large teachers union that,
along with the National Education Association, the two biggest teachers
unions in the country. Randy Winegarden is the one who
wants to downplay the Holocaust for crying out loud, and
so you know, she's leading teachers around the country. And

(27:18):
this thing about well, I wear this because you know,
teachers in Finland wore a paper click during the Nazi
occupation and apparently right now, Randy Winegarden feels we're under
Naki Nazi occupation in America today. The American people are
just getting sick and tired of this.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's so true. And I again I think that the
bloom is off the Rose. I think they've gotten a lot.
They've gotten away with this kind of conduct for so long,
and they've had a willing regime media that just parents,
you know, their narrative to the American people.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
But I think things have gotten so.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Out of hand that I just think that the public
is really our audience has always been tracking it. But
I'm talking to the public in general. I think sixty
eight percent of America pol said that the Democrats are
wrong if they shut down the government. I have never
seen Americans think that the Democrats are wrong on any
of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, that's pretty amazing. All right. We've got a lot
more to get to. Greg of course, broadcasting live from
Logan tonight. He's up there at Utah State University where
the Turning Point USA organization will hold a big rally tonight.
They're at the Spectrum in Logan and he'll be talking
with people coming up another two hours on your Way
on the Rotting Gregg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one

(28:29):
O five nine.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, nrs, I just want to go get my media
credentials because apparently they don't know who I am. I
am just I am walking through this line, and you've
got the regime media all wait, and I should get
to the front of the line because I'm not one
of them. TPUSA should be rolling out the red carpet

(28:52):
for the Rotting Greg show. But it's a it's a
it's keeping crowded with the media. They're in a giant line,
so you know, the show must go on. So I
couldn't sit around there and wait like a bunch of
losers for the you know, waiting for the credentials. So
I came back to make sure I didn't miss the program.
So I'm back, Baby, Well I'm back.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well you had a chance to kind of survey things.
Take a look at the line. Boy, that line is
getting longer and longer by the minute, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
Greg?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Oh yeah, it was about half that long. That length
and this show started an hour ago and it's uh.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
And now they're getting to Let remember I said it
was kind of solemn.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
People were kind of quiet, they were kind of it's
getting louder, they're getting they're starting to get there.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
There's I'm hearing a lot of cheering. Seems to be
getting a little bit more lively.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Is the is the uh?

Speaker 3 (29:38):
People that are coming on again. This doesn't start till
six thirty.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
It's only five o'clock, so still an hour and a
half before the event begins. But people are starting to
get a little more excited. Uh, and again mostly students
that I've seen a lot of adults.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
But this is uh, this is still a campus event.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
So you know what I think is interesting, Greg, Tomorrow
March the third week anniversary since Charlie Kirk was shot
and killed down at Utah Valley and this organization, they've
been out and about. I think they Where were they?
I think they were in Virginia. They've been in a
couple of places. I think they'll be in North Dakota
next week. Glenn Beck I think will be there as well.
He's mentioned that. But they come back to Utah. And

(30:16):
the fact that they're coming back to Utah, Greg, I
think really sends the signal to everybody they are not
giving up and they need all of us to step
in and help them out and keep this going.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
And you know what I really like about that is
that from the very very beginning of their campus tours,
they had two stops in Utah, one on the tenth
of September and one on the thirtieth, and that was
always the intention, and with all that has happened, they
are here as scheduled as from the very beginning. But
it just means a lot more. Like I said the
people I interviewed, this means more. They a lot were

(30:50):
planning on being here no matter what, for Charlie's arrival
when it was originally announced. But now that this has
happens here in Utah special we've taken it so personally,
it's it's been such a cut.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
It just brings such a different meaning to them coming
back and people wanting to make sure that nobody thinks
that they're they're going to back down.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's it's a bigger event.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm positive this is a bigger event than if this
tragedy had not happened.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It wasn't I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
The the Spectrum Arena was not booked as the original
venue for this TPUSA event. It was not It was
not going to be done in a basketball arena. So
I think the students are just funning.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Do you know if his plan was was just to
do an outside event like he was doing down a
Utah valley, was that the original intent?

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Do you know, Greg so Rod, I don't know if
it was a plan to be outside, but what they
thought they were going to do after what I had
heard about when I heard about the event. They had classrooms,
they had some lecture halls, They had some areas that
were large and could had large seating capacity indoors after
what happened on the tent, but they had to scrap

(32:00):
those plans and they had to go to the basketball
arena because the demand for tickets from students was so
high they had to go to the largest venue indoor
venue they could get on campus, which was the basketball arena.
So that's I don't know if prior to September tenth
where they had planned to have it, but after September tenth,
still planning on having the event here. They had some

(32:22):
large seating capacity in indoor facilities, but they had to
abandon those plans because of the high demand. So it's
and it from every look of it, it's going to
be a full house.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
So you know, it's kind of interesting. Greg. I want
to open up the phones to people today. We want
to hear from you tonight. Eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero on your cell phone dial Pound two fifteen,
say hey Rod, or you can leave us a message
on our talk back line. I saw this story today, Greg,
and I was wondering about this. The headline in the
story today was a Fox to thirteen story Utahn's are grappling.

(33:00):
That was a headline. Love that word with fear of
expressing their religious belief after the Charlie Kirk shooting and
of course the tragedy in Michigan on Sunday, you know,
and are people afraid to express their religious beliefs because
remember what Charlie Kirk was telling us, be bold, get
out there and say what you think. You know, you
don't have to be confrontational, but you have a right

(33:21):
to stand on what you believe in. And I wonder
if people are backing down or if they feel bolder
than ever now and willing to open up. I mean,
I'd love to hear from people tonight on that if
they're you know, they just feel we have strength in
numbers now, and I think everybody feels that and they're
willing to step up and say this is what I
believe and I'm not backing down to what my beliefs are.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, I'm not getting the sense.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I am actually getting the sense that much like the
memorial service for Charlie Kirk on Sunday, not last nighty
Sunday before, where you saw the leaders of this country
a president, you heard our cabinet members that were talking
about the Savior and talking about faith in ways that
you don't usually hear in a public square. I heard
from students today, even those that didn't want to be interviewed,

(34:07):
that much of what they liked about like about Charlie Kirk,
and much of what they like about Turning Point USA
is the faith, and is to be able to embrace
your faith publicly and boldly and make that part of
who you are and what you believe in in public
policy or anything else. And so I don't see it

(34:28):
having the chilling effect on people talking about their faith.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I think it's had an opposite effect.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Now you add that the Michigan tragedy that happened on
the travesty that could you know, catastrophe on Sunday in Michigan,
and that doesn't leave you with warm, fuzzy feelings. But
I still think that we are in tough times. I
think times have gotten a lot harder as of late,
and I think that people are responding in the way
you'd want them to. And I'm watching it here on

(34:55):
this campus right now. I don't see any welting violets.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I'll just say.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
That we I agree with you, Greg, I don't think
people are afraid, and they don't. It may be a
scary situation because of all the events that have happened,
but I don't think people are afraid to express their opinion,
and I think that's exactly what they need to do. Greg,
I need again, I love that word. Be bold, believe
in what you believe, and do not be afraid to

(35:21):
express your opinion and your thoughts and talk about openly.
Like you said, Greg, I'd never heard as many politicians
talk about God and Jesus Christ as they did at
that Charlie Kirk memorial. And hopefully more and more people
will do that because that's what we have to do,
in my opinion, And.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
To be honest with you, I've heard I've heard you know,
religion brought into public you know, public policy and issues before,
and frankly, I've not been one to do it. And
when I've heard it, sometimes I've I don't know, it's
just left me a little bit uncomfortable. But it is
so unbelievably authentic Charlie Kirk and his message, and I
think that people have been able to see Charlie Kirk

(36:03):
as an example of how you can talk about it
in a way that doesn't come across as preachy or cringey.
It really is authentic, and so there's a real authentic
discussion going on or maybe even a revival in our
country that again, if a Neanderthal and a Ethn like me,
if it's getting through my thickstall, something special is happening

(36:24):
because it's it's not a place that I was going
to prior to late recent events.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, let's go to the phone and see what some
of our listeners have to say. Tonight we go to
Todd in Battlefold. Todd, how are you welcome to the
Rodding Greg Show. Thanks for listening to us tonight, Todd.

Speaker 12 (36:40):
Hey, thanks for so much for having the show. And
as fun, my son and I used to listen to
Charlie Kirk regularly together and we discussed the topics he'd
bring up, and he really just hit his approach in
boldened Os years ago. And it's sad to say and

(37:00):
I hate to even say this, but we knew he
was going to be a martyr because of the just
how he just the way he stood. And we even
said that together, he said his life is going to
be short and and unfortunately we were accurate, which it
breaks our heart. But but the thing is now we
are bolder than ever and and and something that was

(37:21):
just said a minute ago is authentic.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
I think that's the key to the whole thing.

Speaker 12 (37:25):
You can be bold, but people can sense whether you're
being legit to who you really are and and if
it's if it's coming from your core, if it's coming
from your base values. I think you can be bold
as the day is long, and people know that's where
he really stands, that's where they really stand. And I
think that's critical being transparent and authentic and.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Bold and authentic. Doug, great coming, Greg. I would you
agree with Tod? I mean, that's hyeah he is.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I love hearing that he and his son would listen
to Charlie Kirk and his in those clips and reels
where he's engaging with young people on campus.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
I knew of him.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I could tell you a lot about him and thought
I knew well, but I didn't know the spiritual side
as well at all, really to the degree that he
was and how much how strong he was able to
intertwine it into his core beliefs, whether it's on policy
or life or whatever it may be. And I think
that again he's right, that that authenticity gives a license

(38:28):
to people to talk about things that. You know, my
grandmother told me, you don't talk about religion and politics and.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Miscom and mixed company. That was the rule.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
If you want, if you're living in polite society, you
don't bring up those two things because everybody gets crazy.
And that's kind of what I think I grew up thinking.
But boy, I cannot. I am just I'm just moved myself.
I'm just so why I'm here at this I'm here
sharing what's going on at USU campus because I think
it's so unique and I think it is something very

(38:58):
different than we've seen at our campuses and in this country,
at least lately.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I'm with you, Greg, I think it is time we
move past that old policy, that old recommendation don't talk
politics and religion when the family gets together or in
mixed company. I think it's time to change that, and
we need to be able to do that respectfully and boldness.
But that's need, that's what we need to have happened,
all right. We want to get to more of your
phone calls and your comments on the talkback line eight

(39:24):
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero on your cell
phone dial pound two fifty and say hey Rod or
leave us a comment on our talkback line. More your
comments coming up on the Rotten Gregg Show. Game changer
and a number of speakers lined up. The governor expected
to speak, Sender Lee former Congressman Jason Chafit. So it

(39:46):
should be an interesting event tonight. And you were saying,
crowds are growing and growing rapidly as they get ready
for this event.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, just a contrast of how I when we started
the show at four o'clock, it was a kind of
a somber crowd.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I'm quiet.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
When I asked people if they had something that they
want to talk about, they didn't really want to. There
wasn't people just chomping at the bit to interview or
have be interviewed. But I tell you right now, those
lines are long, and people are yelling, and people are excited.
I would have no problem getting an interview right now
with the people that are in tendance. There's a lot
more energy there. I don't think it was wrong that

(40:21):
people were kind of somber. The ones that came super early.
It shows how much how important it was for them
to make sure they had a good seat and the
one to be there. As that crowd has gotten longer,
I don't know if it's contagious, but there is certainly
a higher degree of enthusiasm, or at least it's getting
louder out there than it was when we first started

(40:42):
the show.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
As a result of the Charlie kirkinssassination, of course, the
event Sunday in Michigan, the attack on the chapel of
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter at Ay Saints.
We're asking people if they're afraid to express their opinions
and their feelings about their faith anymore. Eight eight eight
five seven eight year old one zero on your cell
phone dial Pound two fifteen, say hey Rod on our

(41:04):
talk back line. Let's go to the phones and let's
talk with Hannah, who's in Twilla tonight. Here on the
Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Hannah, how are you? Thanks
so much for joining us.

Speaker 13 (41:13):
I'm good. How are you doing?

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Ron?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
We're doing well. What are your thoughts on this tonight?
Dana Good.

Speaker 13 (41:18):
Hey, So me and my husband we were we actually
went to the memorial. But separate from that, my husband
works in a very liberal office. He's the only member
of the church. He's the only Christian religious person. There
was a situation that came up last week and some

(41:39):
coworkers were talking about the church and it was something
that was not correct, and my husband was like, I
can't let this go. So he spoke up. He pushed back,
He pushed back again and again and was able to
talk with his coworkers very politely. And I asked him,
I said, would you have done this three weeks ago?

Speaker 14 (42:00):
And he said no.

Speaker 13 (42:02):
So I it's amazing that even in death, Charlie Kirk
is is changing how we're acting and that we're standing
up and being more bold. And so that's that's what
I wanted to share.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Did he get into a pretty good discussion there and work, Hannah?
Did he explain it more? Did it take some guts
to do it? First of all?

Speaker 13 (42:20):
Well, he did you know it took. It took. He's
been at his job for fifteen years, and he kept
asking this coworker like, what's the context, because he was
bringing up something that the church had said back in
the seventies, and he's like, well, what was the context,
and the coworker he couldn't, he couldn't explain the context.
He was taking the statement way out of context. Yeah,

(42:41):
it was something the church. It was different times back
in the seventies. So if you realize that that was
the context under which whatever statement the church you know,
you know, stated, but he was he was able to
kind of convince him like, hey, this was said back
in the seventies, this is the time, this is why
this was said. And it ended up being, you know,
a civil thing, and they shook hands afterwards, and Tourger

(43:03):
actually came came up and apologized to him that he
had offended him. So it was it was it was
a good interaction and it wouldn't have happened without Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Well, that's pretty amazing. Thank you very much, Hannah for
sharing that.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
You know what, Greg, what courage he's given to people
to say, Okay, we've had enough of this. We aren't
putting up with this anymore.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
It is It's a powerful example, a powerful example for me.
I I I probably subscribed to I to the I
don't cast my pearls upon swine fifty. I don't get
religious with people. I don't talk about my faith. It's
a personal thing. I think Charlie Kirk has has helped
me understand that these are times where you have to
be a lot more bold.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, back to the phones we go. Let's go to
Draper and hear from Rod tonight on the Rod and
Greg Show. Hi, Rod, how are you.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
All right here? I'm concreat How are you guys today?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
We're doing wonderful? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Never cool? I've never been more motivated in my life
my faith, especially online. The hate that is out there
that you read with some of these online system is

(44:14):
like TikTok and things like that. I feel compelled two
say no, no, and you know, to share my faith
that this is wrong. We cannot do this anymore. I've
never been more compelled and.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Did appreciate hearing.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Did Charlie Kirk compel you to do this?

Speaker 8 (44:38):
Rod?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Did? Did he motivate you to do this? To stand up.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Well, it's a combination. It's the Charlie Kirk, It's the
church in Minnesota. It's just a lot of things that's
saying enough is enough. If I don't stand up now,
when will I?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Good point Rod, thank you very much, appreciate people are
standing up.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Greg aar and I think even to the example of
where the coworkers might be speaking in a way, I
think even a coworker that speaks up who hasn't typically
done it, I think maybe those that we're hearing him
might have been a little bit more open to that,
just for because of the times we live in right
now as well, just because you know, it's it's a differ.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
The climate is changing, I think right now in.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
A positive way, which is in twenty twenty five good
to say, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
It is all right. We've got a lot more to come.
It is the Rotten Greg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. But we want
to continue to get your phone calls and get your
thoughts on if you're a little reluctant nowadays to openly
talk about your religion and your faith. Some people are
expressed fear because of the events involving Charlie Kirk three
weeks ago tomorrow, and of course what happened at the

(45:52):
church in Michigan this weekend. We're getting your thoughts on
all of this. Let's go back to the phones. Let's
talk with Maria. Marie, who's in patients? Marie, how are
you welcome to the Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 15 (46:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Go ahead with your coming, Marie.

Speaker 15 (46:09):
I'm feeling a little confused about whether to get my
mojo back, as Charlie Kirk said, and be bold, or
to just stand down again, especially after the chance at
the game of f the Mormons. And then this morning
there was a preacher or someone on the Charlie Kirk

(46:32):
Show who said that we were a demonic cult. So
there's still so much going on. I'm conflicted on whether
I can stand up or whether i can't.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
This was someone on Charlie Kirk's podcast or a show
today attacking members of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter day Saints really.

Speaker 15 (46:51):
Yes, saying that they were a demonic and that even
the angel Morone I was a demon.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Wow. Wow. You know it's interesting you mentioned the chance
in Colorado. Apparently the university has taken steps on this
and it's really gotten after the students for this. If
you aren't aware of this. At the game on Saturday
when BYU was at Colorado, there were chants using, you know,
derogatory remarks toward members of the Church of Jesus Christ

(47:18):
of Latter day Saints, you know. The coach there, Coach
Prime has come out attacking those students. And now the
chancellor of the university said that's not right either, Marie.
But I think we need to keep stepping up and
being bold, don't we.

Speaker 15 (47:34):
How about we have our own chant in retaliation, we
love Jesus.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
There we go, there you go? All right, Marie, thank you.
We appreciate your phone call. Here on Utah's talk radio
Want the five nine can terrest. Thank you. Greg gets
back with us. Now, Greg, you've had a chance to
talk with Congressman Jason Javiin. Is that right?

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I just did.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Now here's a pro tip, ladies and gentlemen, if you're
going to go interview someone that's like got two seconds
to get back into that arena, don't run asked as
you can because I could not breathe. So my interview
will be will be It will be very interesting. To
see how that interview turns out. I sent it to
you guys, but Jason Chafits it. You know, look he
you're going to hear from him in our interview. He's

(48:15):
this moment's not lost on him. He is seeing these
students come out and droves and he knows that. And
I asked him what his message is and you'll hear
him answer that. But he knows that no one's going
to fill as Charlie Kirk's shoes. But boy, there is
an appetite to really get involved. That this generation z
helped Donald Trump get elected uniquely as this young demographic

(48:36):
eighteen to twenty four year olds, eighteen to twenty nine
year olds, you've not seen them vote for the Republican
candidate and past presidential elections, and it is people are
connecting the dots.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Charlie Kirk was the reason.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
He's the biggest reason why young people began to gravitate
to Donald Trump's message. And I think that the congress
former Congressman Jason Chafits, he understands that, and I think
he's but this is a this is going to be
a I think a great pep talk and a great
event tonight and again, the weight of it is not

(49:08):
lost on Jason Chaffins.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
All right, let's go to that interview that you just
had with Congressman Jason Chaffits.

Speaker 16 (49:14):
I think people are here for more than just Hey,
we had an assassination nearly three weeks ago. I think
Charlie would have drawn this kind of crowd regardless. I just,
you know, I hope I can do it justice. I
hope I can, you know, help spread his message of
faith and family and freedom and.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
Love of country. But it's excited.

Speaker 16 (49:32):
I mean, how often do you see young people getting
involved in engaged in politics.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It's the part that has really shocked me is just
I've been We've been asked, you know, people on the
radio asking, you know, is it mostly young people?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
It's students. These are students.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
There's there's adults here, but the student crowd is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
So what do you gonnaell them? What's your message?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Keep the faith?

Speaker 16 (49:52):
You know, college is supposed to be the place where
you're challenged and you start thinking through both sides of
the issues. You've grown up, you're away from mom and dad,
and I need to figure out your own values were
are And I just want to encourage that, and I
want to remind people how strong Charlie was. And remember,
Charlie gave us all permission, I think, to go out

(50:13):
and talk a little bit more about faith, not just
shy away from it. You know, we used to always say, hey,
with politics, so he can't talk about faith, and Charlie
was exactly the opposite. It's like, be proud of your faith,
don't don't shy away from it.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
I personally are I have.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
And I guess lastly, do you feel that this is
a this is a trajectory. Do you think we'll be
more bold? Do you think students will get more engaged
because of this? Or is this just unique to Utah
because of the tragedy that happened here.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
No, No, I think you're going to see this.

Speaker 16 (50:41):
I think next stop is up in Montana, and then
you got other places all across the country. That was
the power of Charlie Kirk. He really when I talked
to President Trump, that's what he said, he said, Hey,
we won the younger generation, and largely because of Charlie Kirk.
He opened that door and that conservative message resonated, and
particularly with young men, they came in swarms and their

(51:02):
left had never seen that before.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, they're interesting conversation with Jason Chafitz, Greg.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, you know, he made an interesting observation.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
You heard that he thinks that this crowd could have
been as strong as loud, as proud if Charlie were
with us, That that's not a greater attendance because of
his assassination, which, you know what, I got to tell you,
there was a momentum and an energy with Charlie Kirk
that you can't deny, and so I just it's still is.
It's gut wrenching that we've lost such an incredible leader

(51:34):
of this country. Rush Limbaugh way back when I noted
that Charlie Kirk was a unique person, almost like a
Republican version of an upcoming Bill Clinton, he was kind
of that Republican upcoming could be president. That's powerful words
coming from Rush limbab what eight years ago. So I
think again, I think that it's going to be an
amazing event tonight.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Should be fun, should be very interesting to hear what
those speakers have to say, including former Congressman chaf It's
all right. The Rod and Greg Show rolls along right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k
n rs. At every one of these events, you're going
to get protesters. Has there been any Have you seen
them here? Have they shown up? What are they doing?
If there are any there?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
So I have I looked, I was, I they're not.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
The quick answer is I could not find anyone protesting
uh turning point USA's presidence on the campus.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
I had it all planned.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I want to be very respectful because I don't want
to spitting on me or something, because I got act
professional and I don't want to, you know, I don't
want to get mad.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I don't want to lose it.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
So I want to be super I mean, I had
all planned out. I'd ask them very respectful questions about
why they thought that, why they're protesting, and so I
was prepared.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I was prepared. I was looking, and I could not
find anyone.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Now I will say, there are people protesting Governor Cox.
They do love Charlie K, but they are protesting Governor Cox.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
So they're here.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I could see them, but I could not find And
they might be on campus.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
I might be I might have looked the wrong place.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
But I circled the venue you looking for a place
where we would see students protesting, and I did want
to ask him, I really would like to know why
they thought Turning Point USA shouldn't be here, But I
was unable to find any anyone that does or anyone
that was protesting.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So they're protesting Cox. The protests the.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Only ones I can find.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah, so, yeah, they they have T shirts. Even it's
pretty it's pretty organized. It's that I guess Charlie Kirk
could put out some uh posts about Governor Cox when
he was back when he was doing the pronoun thing
and everything else. And so they're they're making that point
uh out out here outside the venue. But and again
they have T shirts and so but they're the only ones.

(53:45):
They're the only ones I saw, very nice, not not rude,
like you see that poor Nick Shirley, that utahny goes
all over the place. Well he gets mistreated when he
gets in front of those protesters, those leftist protesters.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah he got last week, he was at the un
last week. Wasn't he got roughed up?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
He was, Oh yeah, they yeah, he was accosted physically,
it was. But no, what I'm seeing here are some
signs handing out T shirts talking but that but that's
not again, that's not protesting Turning Point USA at all.
That's that's a that's a different they got a different topic.
Have you have you share it with people?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Have you learned anything more? Greg? I? You I know
you've been tied up being on the air, you know,
to do the show. Has anything more been said about
this this threat at the university earlier today where they
had to evacuate the old main building.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, so let me just let me just tell you
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
So I was with my son, he's a student here,
and he got the text that all students get when
they're asked to evacuate buildings on campus.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
He got that text, uh.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
And I spoke with Sheriff Jensen, Cash County Sheriff not
long after that, and they they have a bomb squad
that blew up the somebody left a miss on purpose,
something a past wreckage that was meant to uh cause concern,
and so they they got it.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
They blew it up. But they think it was a hoax.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
They don't think it was actually an incendiary device at all,
but it was meant to distract.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
And to cause chaos. But these guys handled it very calmly.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I I only knew of those details I shared from
my conversations because you couldn't really see anyone running to
the scene or doing anything dramatic.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
It was all very It was very calm.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
There was a lot of professionalism when it was handled,
because I really didn't observe much difference.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
So, yeah, but they did.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I don't think it was.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yeah, they blew it was, yep, and they But it
doesn't it doesn't look like it was real.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
It looks like it was just a hoax, but it
was on.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It wasn't like someone just forgot their book bag and
then now they don't have a book bag and everything
inside it, their laptop's gone, and now because they were
absent minded.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
I don't think that's the scenario.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I think it was something was left for the purpose
of drawing attention to it and maybe shutting down the
campus or something like that.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
But yeah, they held.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
It swiftly, professionally, and really it was over before many
people who even knew it was a situation.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah. Yeah, by the way, want to give you an
update and Abby, we'll have more details on this here
in just a minute or two. But it looks like
we're going to get a government shutdown. Greg the Senate
voted late this afternoon and they had what I think
three or four Democrats came over, but it's not enough
to get the sixty. And it's looked like we're headed
to a government shutdown. As of midnight tonight, government has

(56:27):
no money.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, three three democrats. Fetterman went from New Mexico, another
one from Maine, and then I guess Murkowski, Republican in Alaska,
had voted against voted with the Democrats last time.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
She voted with the Republicans this time.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Well, they come up short. So get ready for a
government shutdown and we'll see how this all plays out.
It's going to be interesting. All right, We've got yet
another hour. They're D and Greg show coming your way
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
Stay with us. More coming out.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Turning Point USA will begin its program at six thirty,
so just a little less than a half hour from now.
The lines around the UH. The arena are packed. There's
students that are still filing in as I speak. A
lot of energy, a lot of excitement for this event
and UH and again they had to move it to
a basketball arena to accommodate the demand of students that

(57:27):
wanted to be here today for this, So I will
when I'm gonna see if they're gonna let me, you know,
mosey in at seven after the show's over, I'm gonna
I'm gonna see if I can get in with but
right but I'm telling you, it's a lot of excitement.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
People still walking.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Up right now making sure they get in and get
a seat for the event.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, I know you were saying earlier today it was
raining up there is and stopped raining or are people
still standing outside or are they starting to let them
in the building right now?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
They're in there, so there's people there's there. They've been
letting them in. They the doors opened at five, I
believe five o'clock or five thirty, so they've been filing in.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
And what's funny is they're.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Letting them in that line doesn't shrink, so it's just
you know, there's a lot of people that are just
coming in and they're just getting in line. But anyway,
they open up the doors. I think it, uh, I
think five thirty and they've been I someone sent me
a picture from inside the arena, uh, and it's it's
filling up fast. So it's gonna it's gonna be a
backpacked house. And again, I uh.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
I better get they better let me in.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
My my press credentials were approved, so you know, they
better figure out who I am. I'm not the regime media.
I should be the one they should be given, you know,
red carpet treatment to. I'm not one of these lefties
they're letting into the building.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, and there, and you haven't done it other than
the protest of Governor cost. You haven't seen any of
the other protesters.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
And like I said, I wanted to ask them. I
just want to ask them why they were protesting. I
wanted to hear the answer. And I wasn't gonna get
argumentative with them. I just wanted to ask.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
And uh but I couldn't find any show up.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Then you show up, all right, Well, if you're just
joining us. Aby mentioned this a few minutes ago. The
Senate failing to get the necessary votes to stop a
government shut down. So unless something happens in the next
two or three hours, looks like the government will close
its doors. As of midnight tonight, Democrats they couldn't get
what they need. Greg they needed sixty and I think

(59:23):
they got fifty five. I think they got fifty five senators.
That all, yeah, yeah, fifty five senators. So well, I forget,
but that shut down. But let's talk about the left
strategy here. Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now
is our good friend Thaddeus McCarter. He is a contributor

(59:44):
at American Greatness. He wrote this article about the left's
political playbook. Thadias, thanks for joining us tonight. You talk
about projection and deflection. Why did you bring up those
two words?

Speaker 17 (59:55):
That is that's great to be back. So what I
meant by that is the left rarely can defend their positions.
So rather than defend their positions, what they do is
they deflect from the positions and they project their sins
upon their victims. So, for example, if you look at
how they attack free speech for years by trying to

(01:00:18):
bring in old novels and re edit them to put
them in accordance with the Dei principles that they profess,
or to profess cancel culture against people who offend them
with a subjective standard. What they then do is they
accuse their opponents of doing the exact same things that
they are currently doing. So when you see them calling

(01:00:41):
that Trump is a fascist or repub Maga and Republicans
or Nazis. That they're doing is they're engaging in deflection
and projection because it cannot defend their censorship, their willingness
to weaponize government, and so rather than defend it, they
ascribe it to their victims.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
This effort on their part to describe Trump as a
fascist and Nazi hitler. Sometimes, I mean, do you think
it's working in any way with the Maybe with their
base it is, but with the general American people out there,
the genuine and popular, do you think it's even working anymore?
I mean, they constantly are saying it.

Speaker 17 (01:01:19):
Well, it's kind of I think my father once said,
I don't know what's more disturbing the fact that you
said something or the fact that you may believe it,
but they're base. I think a large part of the
base does believe it. Large part it's the historical ignorance
of what constituted fascism, the different strains of the Nazis,
and so not understanding it and diminishing. We said this

(01:01:43):
in other instances where they talk about genocide regarding Israel,
which is the latest blood libel, and that diminishes the
actual Holocaust and the genocide that occurred.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
By the Nazis. So I think it's.

Speaker 17 (01:01:55):
Historical ignorance and a large part of it. And it's
also again the frustration that what they believe in doesn't work,
their policies don't work. So it's much easier to attack
your opponents and call them names because you don't have
a better solution. So you deflect and you project.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, this idea of deflecting and projecting, where did it
come from? I mean, have they always used this or
has it developed over time?

Speaker 17 (01:02:19):
Do you think, Thaddeus, Well, you can always go back
to Edith Hamilton wrote books The Greek Way and Echoes
of Greece, and it goes back to to the ancient
Greeks where they had a school that believed in objective
truth and classical learnings the good. And then you also
had the rise of a schoolless sophistry. All they cared

(01:02:39):
about was winning the argument. So this is nothing new
under the sun. This has been going on since Athenian Greece.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Wow, Well does the public detect it? Do they understand it?
Do you think, Thattius?

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 17 (01:02:54):
Most people are not highly politicized. They rightly view politics
as part of life, not life self, and so they
run into people and they engage them on a personal level,
on a human level, and if politics comes in and
they can disagree, they can literally not have a problem
with each other. They can debate things. But when you

(01:03:15):
start off the conversation and it degenerates into your a Nazi,
that's a problem because how do you engage somebody who
literally is calling you one of the most evil people
who's ever scurried across the face of the earth.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Is thadyas What about this? And you touch on this
briefly in your article about Tim Kaine's comments about that
our rights are not given to us by God but
by government and then he tried to backtrack it on
a backtrack on this a little bit. What did you
make of that comment and how he handled.

Speaker 17 (01:03:44):
It, Well, it was very an ignorant comment. Actually, when
you think about it, this is a man that is
a US senator. It's ignorant of the Civics in the
United States, the founding principles, But it also is ignorant
of the fact that's not how Iran works. The God
given Constitution recognize and protected rights that we have are
still remain secular rights, although they're God given to a

(01:04:06):
certain extent. You don't need you don't need to sit
there and say that these are in scripture. I don't
know where they are in the New Testament. I don't
know where they are in the Old Testament. So with
their Ran, what they do is they go to the
Quran and the Shia religion must be implemented here on earth.
That is not what we're talking about with the God
given rights by virtue of being a human being r

(01:04:26):
and da by eukarati with unalienable rights. But that's not
something that is necessarily found in the Bible. It is
divined through experience, through custom. And that's why many people
believe the American Revolution was actually a restoration of traditional
rights that were usurped by the King in parliament.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, I agree with you on that. One. Thatt is
that as we're staring at a government shut down pull
out today, I think it was done by CNN and
Harry Enton. Even Democrats say they don't have a leader
in the Democratic Party now. I mean, where is the
Democratic Party headed right now? If in any direc do
they know what they're doing? And where they're going.

Speaker 8 (01:05:04):
I think they.

Speaker 17 (01:05:04):
Know where they want to go, but they don't know
how to get there, and their policies. If again, if
they had better policies instead of projection and deflection to
bring this full circle, they would know which way to
go and they would be able to forge a path.
But they don't. Their policies don't work. We've seen the
failure through the Biden years, the Obamba years. We've seen
their policies fail. Go back, their carter, go back further.

(01:05:25):
So what they have now is they're looking for a
new face that can repackage the same garbage and try
to put human face on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Yeah, do they have a human face yet to put
it on?

Speaker 17 (01:05:39):
Well, the media keeps continuing to push people like AOC
representative Alexandria for Kensicassio and the potential mayor of New
York State representatives are him Mondami. But these are young
people who are historically ignorant and know their policies failed.
They're talking socialism, I mean really, really, it's twenty twenty

(01:05:59):
five and.

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
These people still think socialism can work.

Speaker 17 (01:06:02):
So they run around promising people free stuff and expect
to get elected and there are again nothing new under
this up.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
I'm sure they did that in Athenian Greece as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Atteus Muccarter joining us on our any howard neons maker
line greg I mentioned in the interview within this poll
out today which shows a lot of Democrats feel they
have no leader whatsoever. Here's the results of that poll.
This is Harry Anton, one of our favorite guides as
we all know, Greg Yes on CNN this morning, talking
about Dems and weak leadership.

Speaker 18 (01:06:29):
Democrats on who has strong leaders? Look at this, fifty
four percent say neither party. Fifty four percent of Democrats
say neither party has strong leaders. Among Republicans, eighty percent
of their base things Republicans have strong leaders. Yet among Democrats,
just get this, just thirty five percent of Democrats say
their party has strong leaders. When you add together this

(01:06:49):
fifty four percent with this eleven percent, we're talking about
two thirds of Democrats who say neither party or Republicans
have stronger leaders, as compared to just thirty five percent
who say their own parties have wrong leaders. As I
said at the top, week week week is how Democrats
view their leaders in Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
So members of your own party, Gregor is saying, week
week week when it comes to leadership, because they absolutely
don't have any.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
They don't, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
And you see this with Schumer where he voted for
this CR in the past when it was Biden administration.
He if he gets, if he gets, if AOC decides
to run against him, he's done for the US Senate.
I bet you he retires. I don't even think he
tries to run against her, and and so he's got
a lot to lose, and so he's trying to play
to that extreme left base.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
But I don't think it's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
I don't think it's I think they everyone's tired of him,
including his own party, so they are. I don't think
the Schumer shutdown is going to do him any favors.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
No leadership whatsoever. All Right, more coming up on the
Tuesday edition of the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's
Talk radio one oh five nine knrs. Looks like the
Senate is couldn't get the votes necessary. So unlessing, unless
something dramatic happens, very sure, Greg, we're probably headed for
a government shutdown.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Well, I think I think the American people have heard
this song enough and I just don't think you can
keep spending. I think a trillion more dollars to try
and add especially for health care, for undocked you know,
illegal aliens, and you know, storing the money that was
cut for public radio and television.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I just think that it's a bridge too far.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I mean, the people that the America elected are in charge,
and the Democrats don't like it. And I guess we're
gonna have a government shutdown until they until they feel
the pain. And I this is what I love Poles
are saying, and this is from the regime media. The
polls are saying that that that the America does not
want the Democrats to shut down the government. But they're

(01:08:44):
not They're not going to believe those those the regime
media's polls.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
They don't buy it. They don't buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Do you think the fixes in They think the fix
is in fact the New York Times New York Times,
let us emphasize that. And then poll just out tonight
show that sixty five percent of those surveyed said they
do not want the Democrats to shut down the government.
This is what Chuck Schumer had to say on the

(01:09:10):
floor of the Senate in reacting to that poll.

Speaker 19 (01:09:12):
Now I know the leader is going to show a
poll that says that Democrats will be blamed for the shutdown.
There are many more polls that show Republicans are blamed.
The question in that poll is biased. Biased in the
New York Times. But it's biased if you turned the court.

(01:09:34):
That's true.

Speaker 8 (01:09:34):
He does the New York Times.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
You can be sure that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
You do either. Do you poll that says it was that, Yeah,
the New York Times.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, just it was biased, the New York Times says,
And then he says, I don't always believe everything the
New York Times reports, right, Interesting? Well was it last week?

Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Crazy? Hillary was on MSNBC the Morning Joe program and
she talked about white men. She said white Christian men
are to blame for all the problems in the country.
Remember that comment, Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
I do I remember it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Well yeah I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
In his podcast last night, Don Lemon, former CNN anchor,
continued the attacks on white men. Listen to what he
had to say last night about white men in America.

Speaker 12 (01:10:26):
Men who look like you, men who vote like you,
and men who sound like you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:32):
White men.

Speaker 12 (01:10:33):
Something is broken, something is cracked deep inside.

Speaker 8 (01:10:41):
When so many of you believe the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
To fear to loss to change is violence.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Are you listening to me? I hope I'm saying it
loud enough for the people in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, you know, Greg, I'm wondering who is he talking about.
I mean, when Charlie Kirk was when Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
there was some violence in the street. We weren't burning
down cars, attacking police. Vigils were being held in light
of what has happened. So I'm not sure who he's
talking about. Him and Hillary must be drinking out of
the same water fountain they are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
It's such a it's this transference that they do. They're
guilty of the things they accuse others of. You cannot
in this day and age right now and seeing all
the violence that's breaking out towards people left a right
of center, Conservatives, Republicans, I don't know. I didn't see
Biden shot at in two attempted assassinations against our president

(01:11:36):
other than Trump. I didn't seek one of their political
emerging leaders, young leaders be shot in cold blood. I
just really I don't know what Don Lemon's talking about.
It's why he doesn't have a real job. He's not
on CNN. Does he have a real job, or is
he just on one of these podcasts now with a
wing and a prayer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Yeah, he is now officially a podcaster. There is no
network out there who wants this guy anymore because he's
so out there, so far out there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Now, how can you ever say that it's the violence
of white guys in America. I don't know how he
comes up with this again transference, he emails, it's not true.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
He's just blaming others of what he's guilty of. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, let me read some more of the numbers, Greg
from that New York Times Ciana pol overall, sixty five
percent said the Democrats should not shut down the government.
Among Democrats, only forty three percent say they shouldn't shut
down government. Independence. This is a key. Fifty nine percent
of Independence are basically saying the Democrats should not shut

(01:12:37):
down government. So there you go. Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Yeah, but he says that he rejects that. Polly says,
that's a biased pot that New York Times. You can't
trust that New York Times. Schumer says, yeah, okay, good
luck with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Interested all right, We've got a lot more to come
on the Tuesday edition of The Rod and Greg Show.
Right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Okay, nrs, I think things have kicked off, Rod, I
think that the show has begun. And I have some
people that are inside that are sending some images. It
looks like a packed house. And so yeah, it's they're
often run.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Yeah, they're often running. Here's uh we we someone sent
into us some video of what's taking place right at
the beginning of this. Listen to what's going on inside
the spectrum at us U. Let me tell you what, Greg,

(01:13:43):
that is a jam packed howels from the video I've
been able to see that house is jam packed?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
And again I said, I there was a there's a
lot of there's a lot of energy outside the arena
waiting to go in. And uh and again I mean yeah.
And also, like a media wrote, I mean you had
all the all the stations were covering covering it from outside.
It's it is certainly top of mind in Utah that
the the tp USA Turning Point USA has returned to

(01:14:11):
Utah and they're they're returning with open arms. The students
have open arms for them, and uh, it's it doesn't
sound it feels very up, very positive, very enthusiastic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
It's Uh. The people that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
There there earlier were a little Solomon. They were super
excited to be there. I wanted to make sure they
were there, came super early to get good seats.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
And then the just the enthusiasm is the time approach
just got just increased and you could feel the energy
just grow and grow.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
So well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
On. Yeah, a lot going on and we're keeping our
eye on it. Greg is up there. If anything happens,
we'll let you know immediately here on the Rod and
Greg Show. But let's continue now, let's talk about joining
us on our newsmaker line. We haven't had Jennifer on
the show for quite some time. We're talking about Jennifer Graham.
She has on ideas and culture editor at the Desert
Red News. She wrote about abortion now when the Supreme

(01:15:03):
Court struck down Roll v. Wade a couple of years ago. Basically,
the court said, this is state's issue and states can
decide how they want to go when it comes to
the issue of abortion. And we've seen court battle after
court battle all around the country as red states and
blue states are debating what they can do about abortion. Jennifer,
thanks for joining us you've been taking a look at

(01:15:24):
all of this. What are you seeing and hearing out there, Jennifer, Well.

Speaker 14 (01:15:27):
I think a lot of people are starting to go, Wow,
those Roovy Wade years were really great, because what has
happened is that this Dobbs decision was supposed to get
abortion out of the court, and it was supposed to
place it squarely in the lapse of state legislators. And
what is happening now is because states are passing. Some states,

(01:15:50):
Red states are passing ever more aggressive and restrictive abortion laws.
Blue states are getting involved with red state politics and
they're trying to basically help the women who they think
are not being fairly treated in these states by sending
abortion pills into red states. And this is what this

(01:16:11):
is now lining up in the courts, and many more
cases are forthcoming.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Jennifer, didn't the on the abortion pill morning after pill?
Did the Supreme Court already rule that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Women can order those and it wasn't related to the
state they resided in?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Or am I just dreaming that up?

Speaker 14 (01:16:32):
Well, there was a ruling. I can't remember the exact day,
but within the past year there was a ruling that
basically said that some doctors that had brought the case
before the Supreme Court. The doctors were arguing that the
FDA restrictions needed to be tightened and that basically we

(01:16:54):
needed to go back to a day in which you
couldn't get abortion pills through the mail. The Supreme Court
unanimously struck that down because they said the doctors did
not have standing because they were not the people receiving
the abortion pills.

Speaker 12 (01:17:09):
So that's why it was.

Speaker 14 (01:17:10):
A unanimous decision. It was pretty clear they did not
have standing there. But in terms of the abortion regulations
and the safety of this regiment of pills, I mean
we say abortion pill. I say abortion pill all the time,
but it's actually two different ones that are most commonly used.

(01:17:31):
They are regulated by the FDA, and the FDA says
that they're safe and that people can get them by mail.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Jennifer, you talk about a number of bills. One that
you focused on was a bill in Texas, HB seven.
Talk about that a little bit. What is that bill
about and why is it creating so much controversy?

Speaker 14 (01:17:50):
Yeah, I find this so fascinating because Texas was the
state at the heart of Roe v. Wade, and it
is just so strange that a little more than fifty
years later, Texas is once again at the center of
the controversy over abortion, just this time in a different way.
And what has happened is that Texas has been Ever

(01:18:13):
since Dobbs, Texas has been one of the most strict
states they've got. I think they're a handful of other
states that are considered equally strict, But basically, in Texas,
they have laws that ban abortion in almost all cases.
Patients have to make two trips to get an abortion

(01:18:34):
in person counseling and then wait twenty four hours before
they get an abortion, they have to get an ultrasound,
and there are other regulations designed to discourage abortion, and
one of these regulations is that abortion pills are not allowed.
But with the abortion pills coming into the state anyway,

(01:18:56):
Texas needed a way to stop those, so they passed
this new bill earlier this year, and the governor signed
it just a couple of weeks ago, allowing Texas citizens,
any citizen, to sue anyone who provides abortion pills to
someone within the state. So opponents of this have called

(01:19:16):
it a bounty hall a bounty law because it basically
allows anybody who would like to make one hundred thousand dollars.
Who happens to know somebody who's had an abortion to
bring lawsuit and it's a minimum award of one hundred
thousand dollars. And so it is a unique and legally
untested way of regulating abortion, and of course it's got

(01:19:38):
people up in arms.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Jennifer, here's my question.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
It sounds like a quagmire in terms of litigation still
issues in front of the court. My thought after Dodd
was that is that if you're a state and you
pass laws that are make it very difficult for women
or it's politically unpopular, you'd be voted out, and that
the federalism or stage rights creating laws to deliver healthcare,

(01:20:04):
you would have to be in tune with the people
that you represent or you could find yourself losing your election.
Is there a way to address these issues you're describing
that's not through a labyrinth of the courts, but really
through the will of the people who they vote for
to represent them and see that the right thing is
done that way?

Speaker 14 (01:20:23):
Well, I mean that is the idea, right, and you know,
but the problem is is that for proponents of abortion rights,
that doesn't help women who need or want an abortion
right now. Right that's a long term solution. To turn
over legislators, to turn over a governor, to turn over

(01:20:45):
an attorney general, and so there's nothing that can be
done about that right now. Now. It is curious to me,
and it's one of the reasons I wanted to look
into this because we have laws that seem to prohibit
states from red states from getting abortion pills from blue states.
I mentioned in this article the full full fith and

(01:21:06):
Credit Clause of the United States Constitution, which basically guarantees,
or should that was the idea of it, anyway, guarantees
that states will respect the laws of other states. There's
also the Constacked Act of eighteen seventy three, which specifically
made it illegal to mail abortion drugs within the United States.

(01:21:30):
Donald Trump has said that he would not do anything
with regard to the Constacked Act, and so full fate
the credit is what normally gets brought up in these circumstances.
But despite these laws, the states have passed shield laws,
which within the state offers protection to health care providers

(01:21:50):
who prescribe abortion drugs. And right now, the states that
are mailing abortion pills are relying on their legal advice
and attorneys are telling them we are going to protect
you from prosecution if you do this. Well, this is
why it's going to be in the courts for the
next couple of years, maybe even longer, because states like
Texas aren't willing to lie down when it comes to this,

(01:22:12):
because they feel like states like California and New York
Massachusetts are actively subverting their laws and they're willing to
take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Jennifer Graham joining us from the des Red News on
our newsmaker line, and she's right Greg, this abortion issue
and never never going away in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Well, I just think that you know, the question I
asked was, well, then vote the bums out, and she said, well,
but people need access to abortion now, Well, you're not
getting it now. It sounds like these are court cases
that are going to take years to a judicate and
see all the way to the Supreme Court. I would
think that if there's lawmakers in Texas or any state

(01:22:53):
that are not representing the people, then you would look
to unseat those lawmakers. Yeah, and I think that's the
point anytime they go to the judiciary to try and
sort this stuff out, and they don't go through the
elected process.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
I think that defeats the purpose of overturning row and
in the Dodds decision. I think that it's supposed to
the buck stops with the voters and who represent represents
them in their state legislative branch.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
That's true. All right, More coming up here on the
Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one five
nine k n R.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
They've started. They started a little late, but they're they're
well on their way now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
I hope I can get in. I hope they know
who I am? Do they know who I am?

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Have you got your running Greg show head on?

Speaker 18 (01:23:35):
I do?

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
There? You go?

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
That gives you access anywhere in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
They're better. All I can say is I'm not the
regime media, so they should love me like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Oh, I tell you what, all right, Greg, looks like
we're heading for a shut down the government. The Senate
refuse to what do we get? Two or three Democrats
came over. We got fifty five votes needed sixty, So
we're gonna have a shutdown tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Oh, someone's gonna have a couple of their senses over
there on the Democrats side.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
That sounds like a hard that's a hard ask.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
And the polls are showing, the polls are showing the
Democrats may get the blame for this one. And oh,
will that be interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
What happens adding at trillion dollars more spending is just
not nobody's in the mood for that, honestly, and they're
just nobody thinks that's the right way to go.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
I think common sense is carrying the day right now.
Let's hope.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Yeah, we can only hope. Now we were talking, we
played what was it during this hour? Comments from Don Lemon,
who is saying, you know, men are broken, they need
to be fixed. Yes, we mentioned the Hillary comment from
a Well a couple of days ago on MSNBC said
the world's problems are being caused by white Christian men.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
It's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
It's just okay, all right, alienate Not many people in Americas.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
See how that works for you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Well, I've got to bring up this poll because it
ties right into it. Greg, you'll love this one. A
new poll out shows that liberal women are on a
crash course with the dating hell they created.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
A new study from the Institute of Governance and Civics
at Florida State University showed that yes, there may be
hope yet for single liberals who hate conservatives so much
that they would never be willing to date one. The
study found generally, as liberal women age, they become more

(01:25:44):
open to dating conservative men. However, their openness with age
might be all for nothing. According to the study, as
conservative men get older, they actually become less open to
dating a liberal.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Yep, that's I think you just described that men get
smarter as they get older.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Is that what you just described?

Speaker 15 (01:26:11):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Is that how that works?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Yeah, that's exactly what they're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Yeah, that makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Young liberal women will outright reject a person as a
potential romantic or life partner if in fact they voted
for Donald Trump. So there go, ladies.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Oh good, you know what, And you know what, every
man should thank the women that would do that, because
if that's the deal killer for him, without regard to
who the guy is, then that's not someone you want
to date anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
So they're doing them. They're doing the guys a favor.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
I say, you're after spending more than a year with you,
Now I understand you're you're kind of a passionate guy
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Yeah, yeah, you could put you could say you could
put me in that category.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Study from the Triple A Foundation for Traffic Safety. He
says six percent of drivers admit to road rage.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Yeah, I do it. I got it. Really, I don't start.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
You haven't attacked somebody.

Speaker 14 (01:27:10):
Have you?

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
But no, no, well no, but if somebody attacks me,
I don't, I don't. I don't hide. So I've been
I've got gotten out of the car before you really have.
It's true. Uh huh, yeah I have. I'm embarrassed to
say how recently. But and the house was out there.
I should be careful. No, it wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 16 (01:27:34):
But it was.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Funniest thing is when the guy, when the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Was trying to intimidate me, when he found out that
I was not going to be intimidated and that he
was the crazy man, he got really friendly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
We ended up hugging it out. We end up shaking hands.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
You know you're a piece taker man, You are a
piece I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Am renaissance, Greg Renaissance, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Ye, Well that does.

Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Safe travels back home to night. We'll see you in
the studio. Tomorrow. That does, that does for us tonight,
head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your
family in this great country of ours. Wait Man Wednesday,
coming your way tomorrow at four. We'll talk to you
then

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