The Rod and Greg Show: Update on Trump's Tax Plan; Efforts to Reduce Federal Regulations

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you ever found yourself in a rather embarrassing moment
as you don't know really how to get out of it.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, Queen View would say, much of my life is
better than in that moment. In that moment, but you know.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well, we're gon we're gonna explain what we're talking about
here in just a minute, because there's a certain member
of Utah's congressional delegation who well kind of found himself
in an embarrassing moment. Today we'll get into that. Grover
Norquist will join us, of course, Grover President of the
American Americans for Tax Reform Congress. Today the House Waves
Means Committee again passed out of committee another portion of

(00:36):
the big beautiful bill. We'll see what Grover has to
think of it a little bit later. On attacking Joe
Biden's war on appliances, remember you see those little stickers
on a refrigerator or a dishwasher, energy Star or something
like that. Well, Lee's Eldon, head of EPA is saying, Eh,
not gonna happen anymore. We're gonna get rid of that.
We don't need that, just more regulation that he's trying

(00:57):
to get rid of. We'll get into that Sander Mike
Lee join us as well a little bit later on
in the show today. So we've got a jam pack show,
we sure do.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
And then we're going to come to you are faithful listeners,
the smartest listening audience in all the land, and we're
going to end the five o'clock hour, we're gonna take
your comments on everything that's going on. I don't know
that the media is paying enough attention to Trump's visit
to the Middle East, and I think there is a
lot to unpack, a lot to discuss. I think we
should talk about it here on the program too. Hear
from you as well. What are your thoughts about what

(01:25):
you're seeing happening there? And then we're going to get
into the big beautiful budget bill, what it's odds look like.
There's just a lot going on, folks, and your comments
and observations make the program. So look forward to hearing
from you and during the show as well.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Boy, it is amazing speaking of Trump in the Mid East.
I never realized this the first visit of an American
president to cut.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Her that's right. I didn't know that until I heard
that today.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
I didn't realize that as well. And they're treating this
guy like he's a king.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I think Trump is really winning over a lot of
people in the Middle East. The Middle East has been
just a just a I would call it an astray
and as just a problematic place forever. It's just never
had any any peace to it, anything that looked like
a semblance of order. It's always been chaotoch I think
that the way that President Trump is handling it, the

(02:16):
message he has of let's do good things together, let's
find piece together. I hate war, but oh, by the way, Iran,
if you get a new you're not getting anuke under
any circumstances. It's this combination of wanting to see nations
grow and be successful and people be successful with a
stern warning and a real warning to enemies like Iran

(02:36):
and even China. Yeah we're not gonna We're not gonna
get rolled over either. I think it's I think it's
historical what we're seeing happen.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think it's called leadership, isn't it It really is.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's it's a brand we haven't seen in a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
All right, now you have been how long were you
in government? Eighteen years? Sixteen sixteen years? Right, there's a
portion of government that has to deal with minutia. Would
you agree? I would probably a lot of it to
deal with us, right. Well, a certain member of Utah's
congressional delegation, Blake Moore, first District Congressman, had issue with

(03:09):
dealing with it today. Now we want to play a
little bit of audio from a movie I think a
lot of you have seen or know about to kind
of help set this up.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think this might have played us in a this
is a beautiful nineteen eighty five eighty six movie, but
I think it played out actually in the halls of
Congress today. Let's have a listen.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Bueller Bueller Buehler from faris Bueller's Day Off? Right y?
That's right, fun fun movie. Well, it happened to Congressman
Blake Moore. Now, Congressman Moore showed up. It was at
a hearing dealing with a lot of government minutia, right,

(03:47):
And that hearing started yesterday afternoon at two o'clock, okay,
did not end until five o'clock this morning. Now, they
were taking a vote on a certain section of some bill.
And this happened to Congressman Moore.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Miss tinny, Miss Tinny, no, missus fishbock, missus fishbock. No,
mister Moore, mister Moore, fueler, fueler, mister Moore.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
No. Now what had happened was they went to him
for a vote, like I said, and Congressman Moore had
fallen asleep in his chair, kind of slumped over.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Now, falling asleep is one thing. When your name is
called by the chair on the mic, it's an eye
on the mic, mister Moore, and you don't hear you
are out, you are completely out. You're not you're not
amongst us. And there's a couple of pictures today in
the national media by Congressman or being one of them
of that marathon committee hearing fo A few people were

(05:01):
just you know, sawn the son. These they were done. Yeah.
Can you contrast that with a president that's going over
to the Middle East. But I'm sure some jet lag. I'm
sure it's not Eastern time over there in the Middle
East and he's just banging the boards. This guy isn't
isn't slowing down a little at all. In Congress, they
get like half the month off all already. And uh

(05:21):
but anyway, it's it's one of those I'm embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, it does happen now? Speaking of Congress, a rather
contentious meeting today up in Congress, as the head of
Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kendi Junior, showed up
to testify against the agents the agency's twenty twenty six budget.
He barely started in his opening statement today, Greg when
there were protesters, immediately stood up and started protesting, right,

(05:47):
so he rolled on. They got him out. I think
one of the protesters was one of the co founders
of Ben and Jerry's ice Cream. Of course, apparently they
weren't needing his ice cream. I don't know't but he
protested it well, but he I mean, this became very
demonstrative as they went after each other. Listen to this exchange.
Well you have one, Well, let me play this one first.

(06:08):
This is Robert F. Kennedy Junior called on the carpet
and his passion about healthy kids in America. Listen to
what he had to say.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Thirty eight percent of our youth now our diabetic or
pre diabetic. That was zero when I was a kids.
Anybody thinks that we did gold standard medicine in this
country from these institutions. Look at our children. Is the
sickest children in the world, or you say that you've
got excuse me, harmressman de Laura, you say that you've

(06:40):
worked for twenty years, I'm getting food die out. Give
me credit. I got it out in one hundred days.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Give you credit.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
All right, So let's work together and do something that
we all believe in, which is have healthy kids in
our country for God's sake.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
He went on to say, there's no such thing as
Republican kids or Democratic kids. We want healthy kids in
America to he needs some very good points.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, can I play it real quick.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
There's no such thing as Republican children and Democratic children.
There's just kids, and we should all be cared, be
concerned with them.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I play it because you can hear the sincerity in
his voice. This is a guy that's been a Democrat
as the whole life. He has been ostracized by his
family for joining the Trump administration. Is you can say
a lot of things about RFK Junior, but you have
to absolutely hear it in his voice, his sincerity and
his authenticity. This guy means it. He wants this country
to be healthy. He wants these kids to be healthy.

(07:32):
He sees something wrong. There is something wrong. The data
shows there's something wrong. I never hear from a doctor
that just wants to say what they're doing is right,
and they have no idea why anything is wrong. This
man's trying to get to the answers, and I think
that he's paying a high price. He's paying a high
price in his life to serve in the position that
he's doing. Well.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Who in this country, Greg cannot be concerned about the
health of our children. He pointed out the number of
diabetes cases that we have in America today, Questions about autism,
questions about you know, the food and the die and
what's going into the food. Who has an issue with
that when we're thinking about the health of our children
but our own health as well. He's just pointing out
things that nobody has been willing to address up until him,

(08:14):
and up until he was able to convince Donald Trump
this is a real issue. And his goal is to
do everything he can to make America healthy again. And
there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
There isn't And he's making great progress. He's bringing people along. Look,
he's brought me along in a lot of ways, and
this topic has brought me along a lot a lot
of ways, because you do see if you hear folks this, well,
we just diagnose it better now, it was always there
all the time. That is the cop out. I heard
that ten years ago as a lawmaker on autism and

(08:44):
the spectrum as one things say, Oh no, no, nothing's going up.
It's just that we identify it more. That is patently false.
There's a lot of these things that they're saying we're
identifying today that we just weren't really good at spotting before.
That is, you can only say that for twenty years
before you start seeing the number go up beyond because
and that same excuse has always been used. So when
you know it's that old, that excuse of will we

(09:06):
diagnose it better now, you've got to start really looking
at why are our kids sicker today than they ever
were in the past. Why are kids getting cancer more
today than before? Why are these things happening? I mean,
you just can't throw your arms up and go, well,
we're doing it right.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
We don't know why we're we're producing drugs to prevent it.
Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, right. So we've got a
lot more to hear from Robert F. Kenny Junior later
on the show, because he was attacked again about making
some cuts in the department that he oversees on. We'll
get into that as well. Got a lot to get
to today on the Wingman Wednesday edition of The Rod
and Greg Show. Grover Norquist will join us coming up

(09:42):
next as we talk about that big, beautiful tax bill
that the President wants from Congress that's coming up right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine. OKNRS. Well,
where does the stand? You and I have been very critical.
I'm not sure why Congress is dragging his feet on
this thing. Maybe it's part of the legislative process, Greg,
but there have been there's been a little bit of
movement on it at least.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, Yeah, there has been a little maybe a marathon
here house here, we're half the members fell asleep by morning.
That joining us on the program. One of my favorites,
Grover Norquist, founder president of Americans for Tax Reform, one
of our greatest crusaders for lower taxes and getting people
to get to get out of the bar, get the

(10:24):
government out of our way. Grover, Welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Oh, it is good to be with you, and we
have cheerful news, which is unusual Washington, d C. Okay,
we have one big, beautiful bill that is taking shape.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
As you know.

Speaker 8 (10:42):
It has to pass the House and then has to
pass the Senate.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
Now the President signs it.

Speaker 8 (10:47):
It has just come out of the committee on the
House and now goes to the House floor.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
Within the next two weeks. It will pass the House.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
They'll push it around and punch at it and move
it and so on, and it goes to the Senate.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
But here is what we do know is in it.

Speaker 8 (11:03):
The Republicans and Trump doubled the per child tax credit
eight years ago. That's going to be made permanent and
add five hundred.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Dollars to that each year.

Speaker 8 (11:14):
They doubled the standard deduction, so a lot of people,
but ninety percent of Americans don't have to file all
those little all that paperwork and keep all those receipts
and so on. That will continue out into the future.
The small business tax cut, which is designed for small businesses,

(11:36):
that continues, actually gets stronger.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
The reduction and the depth tax.

Speaker 8 (11:42):
Continues out into the future, and it's remains stronger as well.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
So you have a family farm.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
Or family business, it's not going to be chopped in
half by the federal government expensing so that businesses that
want to create new jobs by getting new machinery, new cars,
new new trucks, new buildings, and so on, can expense
that immediately makes it more capital for person more uh,
makes people more productive and therefore get paid more. They

(12:12):
are a whole series at our website HTR dot org.
Go to the list of tax cuts and the big
beautiful Bill and there's a list of each of these
tax cuts moving forward.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
No tax on tips. They're gonna make it. Who yeah, Yeah,
that's a that's a that's a good one. There's a
lot of very.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Interesting you can there's a new way to say one
thousand dollars for child tax free, so that can accumulate
during a child's lifetime for parents. And if you have
a silence serve for your firearm, used to be a
two hundred dollars UH tax on that just to be annoying.
That goes away handguns and shotguns. That's gotta go. But

(12:59):
we're starting we're getting out of the silencers, so we're
quietly reducing the tax burden.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
So Grover, you'd be proud of me. I have been
explaining to our audience, and I think our audience understands
that if you keep the twenty seventeen tax cuts, leave
them alone, or extend them and move them out, you
didn't really cut our taxes. You just didn't raise our taxes,
which we have the biggest tax increase coming our way,
if you didn't make the tax cuts from twenty seventeen permanent,

(13:26):
or you move them forward. I heard you describe those things,
but I also heard some sweetening of the pot the
child the tax credit goes up a little bit five
hundred dollars, the no tax on tips. Maybe explain to
our listeners in addition to keep holding serve and making
sure our taxes don't get up go up with what
was cut in seventeen, the additional amounts, and you mentioned

(13:47):
some of them, but I want to put a pin
in some of the more of the tax relief that's
coming than just what we've been enjoying since seventeen.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
Thought they're going to be reducing taxes on security benefits
and on overtime pay. There are a number of additional
tax cuts in addition to the original effort. There was
a discussion may still go of taking the tax on
manufacturing down to fifteen percent. We got to take all
the corporate tax to fifteen percent, then we'd be more

(14:16):
competitive with China. Right now, our corporate income taxes a
little bit higher than China's. If you look at the
state and federal tax we need to get that down
below China's. We ought not to be taxing our American
jobs at a higher rate than the Communists do.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
To get ridiculous, Grover, it sounds like it sounds like,
Grover that you believe we're headed in the right direction.
Is that fair to say.

Speaker 7 (14:48):
That is true? That is true.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
Look, we're going to have two more tax cuts, two
more reconciliation packages where the Republicans all by their lonesome
can cut taxes and reduce spending.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
They don't need a single Democrat vote.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
Badly in America today, there are no Democrat votes for
reducing the tax burd non Americans. Every Democrat is going
to vote against letting you have the per child tax
credit and against all the other tax cuts we've talked about,
because they want to keep spending all that Lelly money
that they think belongs to them. I'm not quite sure
how they reason that, but they they're pretty sure. When

(15:25):
you have somebody to say the tax cut costs us.
Whose shoes is that person standing in They're standing in
the government shoes, not in your shoes.

Speaker 7 (15:34):
Tax cuts don't cut. Tax cuts are pay increases. Tax
cuts are pay increases.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Sure, Grover, always right to have you in this show. Man,
love hearing this update. Thanks for your time, Grover, Thanks
for your good work.

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Hey, good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
All right, Grover Norquist, founder of the Americans for Tax Reform,
giving us an updata as to where that big beautiful
bill stands in there. It sounds like there's more good.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Two thousand and three, as a freshman, I was hearing
from Grover Norquist and pledging to not raise taxes as
a member of the House.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So love Grover, good guy, good guy. All right. More
coming up here on the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kate and are asked,
all right, this is a feature that a car feature
that I think everybody in this country hates, I think
for the most part. All right. EPA administrator Leeds Elden
has says he is preparing to roll back a feature

(16:22):
that affects all of us if you have a modern car,
the start stop technology. Yes, where your car dies at
every red lighter stops sign so companies get a climate
participation trophy. Really, so companies get a trophy for doing this.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, it's virtue signaling. They make them they care more.
They're getting you know, they get their ESG credits, they
can work with banks and insurance companies better. That's the
whole corporate scam on this thing.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
But you know, I job one stop the sewage and
Tijuana River coming into the into the Pacific Ocean and
polluting our beaches in southern California. That's step one. So two,
get rid of this auto stop that has been plaguing
my life on two of my automobiles that have been
one I can turn off, thankfully, the other one it
doesn't give me a choice. It just forces my car
to turn off every time. And then you've got what's

(17:13):
coming up next, and it's these appliances and everything that
they've just all the virtue stickers that you get on appliances.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
No day, Well, Leeds Eldon's going to get rid of
the stop start feature, which I think is just ridiculous.
And the Energy Department announced on Monday it is preparing
to roll back energy and one are conservation standards for
a long list of electric and gas appliances and joining
us on our newsmaker line to talk about that right now.
Our any hour newsmaker line is Ken Davis, former Deputy

(17:40):
Attorney General in the State of Virginia. Ken, how are
you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks for
joining us.

Speaker 9 (17:47):
Well, I'm delighted to be here.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Ken. Exactly what did the Energy Department announce on Monday
and how is that going to impact consumers?

Speaker 9 (17:57):
Their announcement is very welcome and it's part of the
most aggressive, comprehensive deregulation effort ever launched by an administration.
It's part of the breathtaking beginning of the second term

(18:19):
of President Trump's time in office. Remember all, during the
Biden administration, his Department of Energy, controlled by radical environmentalists,
rolled out one so called efficiency standard energy efficiency standard,

(18:43):
one after another, targeting virtually every consumer appliance, household appliance
as well as a long list of commercial equipment. For
the attack on gas stoves and water heaters and dishwashers

(19:07):
and air conditioners and all the rest. The stated reason
was to reduce the consumption of energy by these pieces
of equipment. And therefore the production of electricity using fossil
fuels or the direct use of fossil fuels and the

(19:28):
gas appliances, and so by that reduction of fossil fuel
use reduced the greenhouse gases that they said otherwise would
result in climate catastrophe, which is just hysterical exaggeration, fear mongering,

(19:52):
none of it supported by science. And that is what
the Trump administration and the Inner Department is is cleaning up.
It's a massive cleanup of unjustified, onerous business crippling household

(20:13):
budget busting regulations with no practical purpose, and it's going
to restore consumer choice and traditional appliances and equipment and
restore our access to those things. So it's it's just

(20:35):
it's just wonderful news, you.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Know, Ken, it was weighing on my mind and you've
answered it. It's the gas stows California one to ban
him out right, Biden wants to ban out ban all
gas stows guests. Uh, whether what dryers? And then you
saw the story coming out of New York City that
some of these pizza parlors, the pizza shops were going
to have their ovens banned and they were going to
go out of business. Whatever is happening in terms of

(20:57):
getting rid of that onerous in that nonsensical standard, how
do we keep that long standing? In other words, how
do we keep it around longer than the four years
that Trump's in office.

Speaker 9 (21:08):
Well, that's that's one of the great, great things that
he's doing, because it is quite correct to focus on
that question because the President Trump has done a lot
of breathtaking amount using what we call executive orders. Those

(21:29):
are orders drawn up and signed by the president directing
federal agencies to do something or stop doing something. And
the president has a good deal of authority of latitude
under the statutes that govern the operations of all these agencies,

(21:54):
a good deal of latitude to tell them to you know,
do A and not do B and stop doing. But
the use of executive orders to change the direction of
agencies as this big flaw can be flipped back in

(22:14):
the other direction by the next by the next president.
And we saw that that's what Biden did his first
days and office. He issued scores of executive orders. So
one of the really significant additional things is that the

(22:36):
White House and congressional Republicans are using the what's called
the Congressional Review Act has passed. That law was passed
in nineteen ninety six, and that law and powers Congress,
using expedited procedures to review regulations that have been put

(22:57):
on the books by government agencies, in this case, Biden agencies,
and through the passage of a joint resolution in each house,
that is, the House and the Senate by simple majority
votes no sixty vote requirement in the Senate by a
simple majority vote, the Congress can overrule and repeal the

(23:21):
regulation that's covered by the congressional resolution. And last Friday,
President Trump signed to four of these, repealing a long
list of so called energy efficiency standards that covered many
many consumer products, including gas water heaters, washers, dryers, and

(23:42):
commercial refrigerators. Is a great thing. The powerful thing about
the Congressional Review Act is that once the regulation has
been repealed in this way, in the way that these
were repealed less Friday, the agency, the Department of Energy

(24:08):
in this example, and not under a future Democrat administration
President Newsom God help us, the agency cannot issue a regulation.
They can't come back after the gas stoves that is

(24:29):
the same or even substantially similar to the one that's repealed.
Unless the agencies, and this is the newsom Department of
Energy has been specifically authorized to do that by a
new law then by the Congress. And that's really the

(24:56):
fantastically powerful kill switch here, because these regulations, they were
to anybody outside the radical environmentalist fevers wat that characterized
the Biden administration, these things were not They made no sense.

(25:16):
They never would have passed in Congress and so and
they never will pass in Congress.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, sure will.

Speaker 9 (25:26):
Our appliances are safe.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, well, that's good.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
Ken.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
We appreciate your time. Thank you. This is step in
the right direction with that.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
Thank you, Kenny, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
All right.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Ken Davis, former Deputy Attorney General there in the state
of Virginia, talking about these changes that are being made
getting rid of these standards RAG would cut more than
one hundred and twenty five thousand words from the Code
of Federal Regulations alone. And I don't know, did all
these steps say one iota of energy?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Nope, no either. The idea that we're going to get
rid of gas ranges. Guess everything just was. It was
beyond the pal joke.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
All right, more coming up a classic case of David
versus Goliath. Okay, Okay, there is a collegiate baseball team
up in Portland called the Portland Pickles. Okay, I kind
of like it. Okay, Now the problem is they're in
a fight with the mouse. I'm talking about Disney. Okay, now,

(26:24):
but Disney has a brand new movie coming out called
Win or Lose, and the it's about a softball team,
and this softball team their nickname is the Pickles. Now, Disney,
in their expertise and their immense knowledge, are now marketing
merchandise with a pickle on it. The Portland team claims

(26:47):
that that pickle looks like their pickle that they use
in their in their marketing. So there is now a
lawsuit going on with the Portland Pickles in the mouth
mouse pickle.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah you know, and I'll tell you this coming from Pittsburgh.
The pickle, the Dill pickle used to be the Hinds
Hines ketchup used do you have those little pickle?

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah? I didn't the button Well I didn't know that.
So they're calling it and in in the court document
so that they filed, they called it a classic case
of David versus Goliath, the Portland Pickle versus the Mouth pickle.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
That's right, and who will win? Wait, no, I don't know,
I hope.

Speaker 10 (27:31):
Well yeah, well I think the biggest pickle probably know
this Portland organ Yeah yeah, Portland Organ.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Well, a bunch of libs.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Do you like the pickles?

Speaker 7 (27:49):
You can get it?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Do you like them? Well, let me just say this,
I like I like those pickles. I don't need anything
like that in a fair. Why I don't eat tubular
meat and only pickles at in any public place. I
will advise all of our listeners to stay away.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
From pictures of you eating pickles, yes, or hot dogs.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yes, And we're taking a picture catching you eat a
corn dog or a hot dog or a pickle. One
of those big deal pickles in public is just gonna
be used against you in a future.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well you bring that up because Rick Perry, yes, former
governor of Texas who ran for president at one time,
went to the Texans State Fair. And by the way,
I've been there over the over the several years ago,
they do make great corn dogs.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Okay, I'll never know. I'll never know because I'll never
eat one of those things after seeing Rick Perry try
to swallow that in one bite.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
So Perry shows up and eats these these corn dogs,
and boy did he get ripped apart on social media.

Speaker 11 (28:50):
He did.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I can't even look at the man he's on TV
sometimes on Fox News. I can't even look at him
without thinking of those horrific images from the fair State
Fair where he's trying to eat a corn dog. It's
just not meant to be. I'm just warning you, so you.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Would never eat a corn dog, or never eat a
pickle in public.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
No, I'm not going to eat let No, it's just
it's it's it's or eat it like the corn on
the cob. I guess if you want to do.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
It, would would corn on the cob in public?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes? Yeah, that's that's because like you can do it
like a typewriter, go back and forth, back and forth there.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
But no, you wouldn't need a corn dog for a pickle.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
You can just google just put Rick Perry and put
either corn dog or put state Fair, and the images
will come flying up. You'll see what I'm talking about.
The Family Show. But I'm just going to say we
should stay away from those those pictures menu items in public.
I just don't think it's a good look.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
They aren't very complimentary.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, so I'll never know whether where the Texas State
Fair corn dog tastes like.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
All Right, got a lot to talk about with you
in the coming hours. They'll stay with us, Robin, Greg
with you on this Wing Man Wednesday. A lot to
get to this hour. But there has been so much
going on, Greg, we haven't talked to our listeners this
week about everything that's going on. You've got, you know,
the President on his peace and prosperity tour of the
Middle East. He is making such an impact there. We

(30:11):
mentioned yesterday, the speech he gave the other day one
of the best.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean it was.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Such a challenge to that region of the world.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Look, so Mark Halprin, I mean, say what you want,
but I mean, if you don't want to take our
word for it. Mark Halprin is a good journalist. He's
he works very hard to try and I still think
he's left of center, but he's trying to be pretty
even handed. But even Mark Halprin said the Tuesday speech
from Trump in Saudi Arabia, which in this I'm going
to quote what he writes, which shockingly gets almost zero

(30:47):
coverage in the American media. These are Mark Halpern's words
was one for the ages, with some observers not unreasonably
calling it extraordinary and some supporters saying it was one
of the best and most important addresses by a US
president many years. It warrants your time to watch it
in full, and if you have not to understand Trump's unusual,
distinctive worldview, He's saying it warrant your time to listen

(31:09):
to it because you'll understand his worldview. And I couldn't
agree more. I do think that the reception he is
receiving in the Middle East and the deals that he
has bring where it really can be a rising tide
that lifts all ships in terms of you bring economic
prosperity and opportunity to all involved. But at the same time,
he has sent a very very clear message to Iran,

(31:31):
to China, to anybody else who wants to undermine the
security and safety and prosperity of the United States that
he's not going to allow that to happen. And he
says it in the most sober and serious tone. So,
while you have a president that's ready to wrap his
arms around good countries, doesn't want to change their culture,
doesn't want to come in a nation build, he wants
to work with them, don't try to harm in the

(31:53):
United States, and will be just fine. I think it's
it is uniquely Trump, and I think it is historic.
What's happening.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, I think there are a lot of people in Washington,
in the military industrial complex yesterday when he gave his speech,
went ouch because he pointed out all these nation builders
out there, what have they done?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
They have destroyed, they have built, they have destroyed, and
I think I think for a lot of people, we
went out that hurt. But he speaks the truth.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
He does, and they don't. I don't think that the
military industrial complex likes it because they'd like to hurl
missiles more than have speeches. And that's what kind of
where they start from. And the other thing is, look
at Bagdad is example is Baghdad. How much by way
of US dollars have gone into and these nation builders
and neocons have put into Baghdad to build the way
they want it and it's a disaster zone. There's nothing there.

(32:45):
Trump's saying, Look, I don't want to change your heritage,
I don't want to change your culture. I want to
do any of that. I just want you to be happy,
and we want to be happy. I hate war, but America,
make no mistake, is not going to be threatened and
they're not going to be threatened by a nuclear weapon,
particularly out of Iran. Well, he's really pushing back, he's
really boxing out Iran in China in this tour.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah. Well, before the Piece of Prosperity tour began on Monday,
of course, there's a lot of news that happened over
the weekend. You know, all kinds of trade deals with China,
you know, a lot going on. And what did the
press focus on the plane?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
The plane?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Dub Plane, right, yeah, dub plane.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
What was his name on Fantasy Islands?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh, the little guy? Yeah, yeah, they they point out
in state dup plane. The American people. Now, I don't
know what your thoughts are on this. We haven't discussed
this on the show. You know, I'm not a big
fan of it, but I understand what the president is
doing and what what's trying to I mean, this is
a gift. We aren't spending any money on this thing.
We have been waiting what since nineteen ninety for a

(33:44):
new plane. Aw I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
When they ordered the new Air Force. One day may
have been in the late nineties. I think, yeah, it's
it's but it's it's take it, it's not. It's not
arrived yet. The president himself would not personally own this,
this jet it it would be turned over to the
United States and to our military. The Air Force would
I would imagine, strip it down to make it safe
for sure and be their air Force one. And here's

(34:08):
the thing. He's so unbelievably transparent about this. This isn't
like it just showed up as Air Force one one
day and someone had to go reverse engineer. How'd they
get the plane? When did Boeing deliver it? He's very,
very open. We all know how this is working. Contrast
that with the Hillary the Clinton Foundation that after Hillary
Clinton was no longer Secretary of State, she received hundreds

(34:30):
of millions of dollars from these Arab states. Okay, I
don't think they just woke up one day and said
I want to be charitable. I believe that they got
favored status, they got treated well, and there was an
there was an expectation that they would treat her very
well when she left as being Secretary of State. This
never gets to that level. The United States owns it,
and they do turn it over to his Presidential library

(34:52):
at some point at the twenty twenty nine or something
or twenty thirty something like that.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Well, the interesting thing about this the president and we
talked about this earlier this week, Greg very very frustrated
with boweing. Yes, I mean, you know, come on, guys,
where is this plane? And there was a terrific article
today in the Wall Street Journal and it talked about
America and what we can do when it comes to
building planes, and it pointed out that at its peak,

(35:18):
a Ford factory produced one B twenty four bomber an
hour during World War Two. Yes, one Barmber in one hour. Now,
a lot simpler back then. Weren't as sophisticated are the planes.
But it points out Greg the production capability of the
American people. You put a challenge in front of them

(35:38):
and guess what they'll get things done. And this talks
about you know, they even there were forty two thousand
factory workers in this plant outside of Detroit called Willow
Run men and women because a lot of the men
were off fighting World War Two. They were able to
build these planes in an hour. They were cranking out
planes like you wouldn't believe. Why can't we do that now?

(35:59):
We're not expecting a plane to be built in an
hour in it with a sophistication today, but why can't
that be done? And the President is being criticized saying, well,
if you aren't going to give it to me, I'll
take this gift from Cutter.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
So when I was speaker, we would have interaction with
Hill Air Force Base. And this is before the newest
fighter jets were introduced, but they had been still using
the same jets from the late eighties and nineties when
I was visiting there, and they would have to x
ray the actual the metal the exterior of these planes
to see if the exterior of the shell was holding

(36:32):
up because and they would have to spend so much
time repairing and keeping them going beyond the hours they
were ever expected to go because we didn't have its replacement.
It took so long and it was so delayed. Here
what's crazy about all that is while we're frustrated with
Boeing being behind, he took Boeing with him to Cutter
and they signed the Cutter as a Cutter Qatar or

(36:52):
Cutter Airways. We'll be buying over one hundred and fifty
aircrafts from from Boeing from Boeing, and that's one of
the agreements that was made his trip there. And by
the way, I thought I was the guy from UH.
I think the Prime Minister or whoever whatever they call,
the head guy, the Headrime Minister, the Grand Poobab of Qatar,
whoever that is. He said that President Trump was the first,

(37:13):
you know, I serving United States president to visit their country,
and they thanked him. And I think, you know, what's it?
Why is it taking so long? It sounds like a
smart move to me?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, when we come back the president, of course, you
and I have non in his first term and now
in his second term, now more than one hundred days
into his second term. Anything the guy does, he gets
criticized for, right anything, yep. So what is it that
the critics don't understand about Donald Trump or don't want
time or don't want to understand anything about Donald Trump.

(37:41):
We'll get into that and get to some of your
phone calls on what's taking place this week eight eight
eight five seven o eight zero one zero triple eight
five seven o eight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone dial pound two fifteen, Say hey, Rod. The
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five nine k NRS. We haven't had a chance to
talk to our great listeners over the past couple of
days because of all the things going on, So we

(38:02):
want to open up the phones to you. We can
talk about the president's mideastreep. We can talk about the
plane issue. Another thing I wanted to bring up, Greg,
And from day one we've talked about this. There's not
a day that goes by that Donald Trump does not
come under some type of criticism. Can you think of
a day when the press, the media has just said, oh,
he's fine.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, No, they complain about everything. I looked at the
different big historic announcements on UK trade agreement. All that's
low hanging fruit with China, he capitulates somehow, there's just
no version of the work he does that the media
has any has any way to interpret but negative.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, yeah, Well, that's why I wanted to bring this
article up and have a discussion with you about this,
among other things today. But this article was written by
David Strom, who writes for hot air dot Com. He
says too many of Trump Trump's critics don't even try
to understand him. Would you agree? I don't think they
want to.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
No, they don't.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
No, no, they don't. And he wrote in this article
he said, here's here's how he describes Donald Trump. He
is a businessman. Yes, agreed. He is a salesman, yes, agreed. Promoter, yeah, yep,
he is a hype man.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I would agree with that with yes, yeah, big, beautiful everything.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
He wrote it nineteen eighty eight or eighty seventh book,
Art of the Deal, promoted that well.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Voted that well bestseller. Now Here he he says he's
more akin to T. P. T. Barnum than he is
to a college professor or a traditional diplomat.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I don't like the PT Barnem comparison, but I do
believe he's he is not a college professor. I don't
think he's professorial in his approach at all. It's a
very real politics. He's engaged whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
And then he goes on to say whatever Trump needs
to do to meet his end goal, he will do it.
He will get things done. And he ends up by
saying this, all that Donald Trump cares about is getting
the deal done. Is a transaction type of guy.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well, isn't that the point at the end of the day.
I don't know what they're up there to do otherwise,
is to see measurable improvement, change the place, make it
better than where you found it, and do it quickly,
not taking years.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Well, and what he and he points out here, he
says everything he says and does beforehand is part of
the negotiation process. That's what the media doesn't understand about
Donald Trump, or don't want to understand, or don't want
to understand. You're right. Therefore, he points out, that is
hard for political analysts to look smart explaining everything Trump
says as if they have insight. They don't. Their problem

(40:35):
is not Trump's, it's them.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
It really is. They can't get out of their own way.
It's really at the heart of why they could not
report on the deteriorating mental capacity of Joe Biden's because
they felt that it would genuinely help and improve Donald
Trump's prospects for running for president again, and they couldn't
bring themselves to do it. They can say anything they want.
We were tricked, we were fooled. It's someone else's fault.

(40:58):
They knew darn well that Biden was not all there
they knew it, and they hit it because they didn't.
They could not. They can't get out of their own way.
And when it comes to Trump, they just test that
man so much they won't do anything that even makes
him feel like it would be a benefit to the president.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Can you even imagine, Greg, if the shoe had been
on the other foot and Donald Trump was in the
White House and suffering from the mental health, the cognizant
problems that Joe Biden is suffering, what would have happened
if Trump was in there.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, we had a taste of it. When he's hovering
his hand over that railing, so going down that ramp,
he doesn't want his leather bottom shoes to slip out
from under arm because he's you knows it's wet. And
they tried to make him holding his hand over that
railing and walking gingerly down that ramp. They tried to
make that a big He wasn't mentally capable to be president.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
So yeah, all right, So we want to hear from
you tonight. A lot to talk about the mid age trip.
We can talk about other things that happened over the weekend.
We can talk about, you know, this article of what
people do not understand about Donald Trump. Your calls and
cumments eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero to
the phones we go and let's go to Patrick in

(42:03):
Springville tonight here on the Rodden Great Show. Patrick, how
are you? Thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 11 (42:09):
Good. I'd like to get your opinion. But as far
as the situation in Syria countries that's just been devastated
by war for years and years and years, I see
a big opportunity there to get in and have a
relationship with the new leadership and try to clear out

(42:29):
that's just been a terrorif forming that people have suffered
so badly. I have a guy at work that's from
Syria and his town is rubble ten miles in every direction.
You know, it's just been destroyed. So maybe we have
an opportunity there with all the terrorism of all the
stuff that's gone on there. What you guys thought about that, That's.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Why we have this smars listening audence. And I'm not kidding,
I'm not being patronizing. Patrick, You're one hundred percent right.
And this is why I watched it documentary once about
it used to be almost like a Western world, very
very modern. Yes, they had it. Would you would have
felt like you were in a metropolitan area anywhere in
the world in terms of it's modern. It's it's it's cities,
it's it's conveniences, it's restaurants. Is is he described, it's

(43:16):
an ashtray, it's rubble, it's gone people. Most people that
lived in Syria have fled for their lives. Yes, all
that's been left are warlords, gangs and this assad character
who was who?

Speaker 7 (43:27):
Who is?

Speaker 11 (43:27):
He?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Best friends with Putin and Russia?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Russia.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Now that a SOD is gone and there's a power
vacuum and you have someone that's running us, it would
be in the in the United States absolute best interest
to begin to discuss and talk to that that individual.
And he's had good things to say. He met with him,
kind of it was off the off the off script,
but he met with him, had good things. President Trump
had good things to say about the I don't know
if that's the president of a prime minister of Syria,

(43:53):
but those keeping at least blocking out Russia, keeping Russia
away like a SOD was not a SOD was you know,
hand in love with with Putin to keep to have
those relationships be strong, would make this world a safer place.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Well Syria. I was told once, Greg that Beyrout was
one of the most beautiful cities in the Mid East
at one time. It is not like that now, after
the struggles they phase Donald Trump. First of all, we
have peace. Let's quit shooting at each other, right, and
then let's work on prosperity and see what happens to
your people. And I think each spot on with it.

Speaker 11 (44:26):
I do.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
All right, to the phones we go. Let's talk with
Diane in South Ogden tonight here on the Rotting Greg Show. Diane,
how are you? Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
I'm good, gentlemen, Thank you so much. I have quick insight.
I think into what the mainstream media media doesn't know
about or care about our president. He is goal oriented
and results driven and that's it. It's on a list,
it gets checked, topic gets done, and they don't like it.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You're so right, She's so right. Thank you, Diane for
the call. You know, and it is and it's just
not the way the swamp works. What they try to
do is overwhelm you with the details. They like to
take shallow water, muddy it up and call it deep.
That's what the swamp does. That's what they they don't.
They want you to think every every task is impossible.
There's nothing you can do to change its trajectory. They

(45:18):
want to overwhelm you with the details. Trump cuts through,
truly cuts through all of that and gets to measurables
and things that he can show is getting done for
the American people that we've never seen before. We've never
seen whether it was his first term or what we
see him doing now with even more experience. The American
people haven't seen it, and the media does its level
best every single day to hide these realities from the

(45:39):
American people at large.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Another thing that I think the Democrats doing their notorious
for this greg if there's a problem, less appointed committee study,
I'll say, I mean, you've run into this for a
long long time, but less appointed committee, we'll have a
committee study it, and study it even more, and study
it even more. Then we'll come back with a recommendation
and another of the recommendation.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
And you want to know why. You want to know
why they do that because they Democrats and this I
will argue that this is even in the inside our
state of Utah and down to the city level. Democrats
think that the listening part is the work. They think
that's the measurable that we're listening. As soon as you
make a decision, you have inherently made somebody upset. There's
no hard or difficult policy public policy decision to make

(46:23):
that everybody universally loves. So as soon as you make
a hard decision and you've made someone mad, they never
want to be politically in that position. They just want
to be seen as the sounding board. They want to
be the same and you get nothing, nothing done with
sounding boards. But there is no political courage or desire
to actually move the needle because they're in it for themselves.
They like the power, they want no one angry with them,

(46:45):
and you can't do the job right without making somebody mad.
In fact, what's the s Winston Churchill saying, I judge
the man by the enemies he has, Yeah, he or
she has, And okay, so you're going to make some
people upset if you're going to move the needle. That's
called the status quo getting rattled. And the status quot
doesn't want to get rattled. But that's what real leadership is.

(47:05):
As a Diane described President Trump pursues versus the let's
circle it forever and do nothing.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I've always said nothing gets done by a committee. He's
got a head of a leader. All right, More coming up.
More your phone calls on the Wingman Wednesday edition of
The Rod and Greg Show eight eight eight five seven
oh eight zero one zero triple eight five seven o
eight zero one zero, or on your cell phone dial
pound two fifty and simply say, hey, Rod. We're talking
about the debate over the plane, the plane, the plane,

(47:32):
and we're also talking about this article we referenced about.
You know what the media doesn't understand or do not
want to understand about Donald Trump. He's a different kind
of guy in the sense we've never had a president
like this before. And what don't they understand about Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I have a question. My cough button just work today.
I want to hear me sing.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah I didn't hear you?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Okay, good see. I don't know maybe listen.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Why you didn't think it works. I hit everything in
here works.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I don't know what it is. But I had a
sneeze just came out of nowhere. Didn't you know it
was coming? With a sudden I.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Just suffering from the allergies.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, so a lot of people out there that's gonna happen.
What's gonna happen is whether it's they get better, then
I'm going to be complaining about pollen or something. That's
was my next complaint. Now I'm gonna be strong. I'm
just waiting for the better weather. Yeah, you just listed
off a number of things. I I again, I'm just
gonna keep talking about it until he's gone, until he
comes back from this trip. The the the economic deals.

(48:31):
You can't find a greater alliance with a country then
mutual financial, economic interests when you become economic partners. When
you become economic partners, but the security and welfare of
both nations factor into your economic relationships. And that's how
he's that's how he's approaching Ukraine, that's how he's approaching
the Middle East, and that's how he's actually I think

(48:52):
keeping the Arab States away from Iran, away from China
is that they're going to have a much better and
fair playing field working with the United States, with the
largest consumer of every everyone's everything in the world. And
he's just he's using that, he's leveraging our economic strength
in that regard to strengthen those partnerships, in those relationships
with those countries, and I think it's all good. The

(49:13):
one thing I would like to know is for those
that are worried about the Arab nations and their relationship
with Israel, does Israel get too nervous when you see
such a successful trip with the president. And I don't personally,
but I don't know if that's disconcerting to others.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
You know, That's what I've thought about. When he's talking
about the planes, when he's talking about the you know,
the investments and everything that is play game place is
Israel saying, mister President, don't forget about us over here.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah. Well, you know what, I I do wonder if
the I'm not worried about that. I think that the
Abraham Accords are meant to show that Israel and these
Arab nations can coexist peacefully with each other, and that
that's been a success. And he's growing the number of
states Arab states that are joining in the in the
Abraham acad words. So I think that that Trump's doing

(50:03):
it the right way. But I do wonder sometimes if
people think, gee, get over yourself, lady, He's just fallen
all over him seleties, you know, and that's not like
small businesses in those countries. That's that's the that's their
their you know, their royal Kingdom's money, their sovereign funds
that are doing that. So but I I think it's
all good, I really do. But i've i've I've thought
that there may be some even on the right of center,

(50:25):
that are a little worried about the relationship there.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I think you were talking about the Abram Abram's Accord.
A part of this, part of this approach he has
done with Saudi Arabia is he wants to get Saudi
Arabia to join.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yes, Yep even mentioned that. He said, in your own time.
He said, I don't want to I don't want to
pressure you. I don't want to push it too hard,
but in your own time. But you got to get
on board. Get on board and uh and so that
we're we're all on the same page.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And I do you know how big of a deal
that would be? Ye, give Saudi Arabia join the Abram's Accord,
because they would be recognizing Jerusalem in Israel.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I think that's the goal. And I tell you what,
I don't know. Again, it's I'm to the point now
that every time we see a victory and you see
this president doing something good, and when you see when
he announced his trade agreements that everyone said, oh, it's
all doom and gloom, and now you see the stock
markets back. Things are happening, Agreements with countries are happening.
China has failed in trying to get other nations to

(51:24):
join them against us. They're all coming our way. I
just I can't wait to hear the democrats and the
leftists and the regime media's description of all this as negative.
I'm the president, and sure enough, like clock, were you
in such a watch to it. They come out with
a negative narrative, and it's like it's like staying up
is down, it's and I think they just continue. They can't,

(51:45):
as we said in the last segment, they can't get
out of their own way. They hate this president so
much that their credibility is lost. Every time. I mean
they you know, they'll take lemonade and make it lemons,
like forget. I mean, they'll take a glass half fool
and say it's empty. I mean, there's just no version
that they can give President Trump any credit, any credibility

(52:06):
on any front or they feel like it's a failure
on their part.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Well, speaking of credibility, how can they have credibility where
all these well known journalists are now publishing books saying, well,
we didn't know, but we have found out since then
that Joe Biden should not be have been president of
the United States. Really, I mean for Jake Tapper to
run around said, you know, they lied to us, but.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
You know we could hear you when you were saying
that that Biden's fine and you're just picking on him
and you don't know that he's not okay, when and
his guests were saying, no, no, he's he has cognitive decline.
Even the special prosecutor said it, and they would absolutely
reject that the premise. And now they're like, well, we
didn't even know that premise was out there, We had
no idea, we didn't know it existed. It's so disingenuous,

(52:53):
and I just think that they hurt themselves when they
continue to make that case.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
Well.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Sean Fleetwood, who we had the other day, a reporter
with the Federals, did a story today five times, five
times over the last couple of years where Jake Tapper
has defended Joe Biden when people have asked questions about
his you know, his mental ability, his cognitis and ability
five times, Jake Tapper said, they's not a problem there.
You know, we shouldn't be worrying about it. He went

(53:18):
after Laura Trump saying, well, you're making fun of him
because he stutters. She said, she said, no, I'm not.
I'm making fun of him because he can't complete a sentence.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Nobody in the world, no way in this world, knew
he had a stuttering problem. We know he has a
cognitive decline issue. That's what he had and what he
has right now. So I yeah, he's going to make
money on that book, and he gets to flip the
script and say that he was and I even saw
that other joker, Chuck Todd. Oh, he's like getting mad
that Schumer won't answer the question about you know, he

(53:47):
gets put on a spot. You were around Biden, what
did you see? We're moving forward? He will he will
not even entertain the premise, which is such a cop out,
and he should get a lot more criticism. Schumer should
for the way he's refusing to even answer the question
because he knows he doesn't have a good answer. But
Chuck Todd gets mad him and says, you know, that's
why no one trusts the Democrats because of answers like that.

(54:07):
That's why no one trusts.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
You, because yeah, because of answers like that. As matter. Now,
you mentioned Mark Helprin, who you know, I think tries
to play it down there. But here's the question I
had for Helperin today. He has this long eleven minute
video talking about all of this. He says he recognized
Joe Biden was having problems back in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, so where was he?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah? Yeah, where is it? Where is he? He said he
knows Biden, or he claims to know Biden fairly well.
And Biden was at a book signing and he says,
I recognized his eyes were a little glassy. People are
giving them their name to sign a book and he
couldn't remember their name. He said, I noticed it back
in twenty seventeen. And he said I was shocked when
he announced he was going to run for president in

(54:49):
twenty twenty. Well, if you were shocked, Mark Calprin, why
weren't you sharing that story and raising the question about
is Joe Biden fit to run for the White house.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Remember when his dentures fell out in the first bait,
he came right out of his mouth hanging out is disgusting,
And I thought, you know, this guy's not getting anywhere.
He can't even just teeth in his mouth. And then
I don't know, it just all worked out, didn't it? All?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Right? More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine K and
are asked federal judges who think these district level judges,
who think they can tell the rest of the country
what to do.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, it's I mean, I mean, we've had so many
of these. You know, they judge shop, they get him,
and it's been used as a as a weapon to
delay or stop this president and his and his duties.
And that he has equal in separate powers executive branch,
over and over again, and it's it's beyond the pale.
It's never been done this way before. And these are
these are actions that other presidents have taken. If anyone's

(55:44):
telling you it's because he's overreached too much, that is
just simply not true. His his immigration efforts are actually
probably I would argue with the Aliens Alien Enemies Act
is more founded in how he's supporting people than Barack
Obama's deportations and rooms.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
What is the number now? I think think thirty nine
injunctions have been filed against the Trump administration. The most
ever was I think was it six or sixteen? But
you know, the effort is that Donald Trump has tried
to do on so many issues. Thirty nine injunctions have
been filed against him to stop what he's trying to do.
That's the highest number ever.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
And you know what they the Democrats don't hide this.
They say they get together with Democrats or the state's
attorney generals every day. They are deploying legal tactics to
stop this president at every turn as much as they
humanly can. And you know, you get that Mark Elias
nightmare of an attorney trying to make you know, turn
elections on their ears in Wyoming right now, trying to

(56:40):
get illegals to be able to vote in that state.
That guy is is bad news. And so they have
been doing this. They don't even not really hide it.
But what I would hope is that the American people
would spot their tactics and know that the judiciary has
so clearly overreached and in terms of if this was
a power that they had. It's been abused so much
much that it can't remain. Because I'll tell you, if

(57:02):
this were to be able to stay the case, Judge,
shopping won't be so difficult. If this stands legal muster
that you can do it. If the Supreme Court doesn't
knock this down, you'll get more of it.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Well, you mentioned Mark Elias, who was involved in the
Russian hostest thing. Yep, you know, sixty minutes. I know
it's your favorite show. Did a piece two weeks ago,
I believe, on Trump's efforts against various law firms, one
of which has to be Mark Elias. Okay, he was
featured like a victim of what Donald Trump is doing.
Scott Pelly, Okay, we know that did a fourteen minute

(57:38):
piece on this. It wasn't until eleven minutes into the
story that they got a reaction from the Trump or
a response from the Trump administration on this. It went
eleven minutes. Great, Oh, look at these poor law firms.
Poor Mark Elias, just being an attorney.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I would imagine that they didn't show the lawfair that
they engaged, oh no against against the president, and how
unethical was I mean, look, these aren't vendettas. These are
processes that the president doesn't want to see any American
have to live through what they've done to him. If
they and we've all said it from when we saw
the starting, if they can do it to Donald Trump,
former president at the time, then they can do it

(58:17):
to us. And everything that he's doing as a re
elected president is to stop that type of unethical law
fair from being from any America being harmed by that.
That's that is really what he's after that.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
That piece even featured a comment and some comments from
a conservative Oh please, Georgetown Washington University. The only conservative
Georgetown Washington University lawyer I know is Jonathan Turley.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
That's it, and that's it. And he wasn't the one
there was, so you can forget it.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
So you can just see what they're up to. But
this is where they don't understand Donald Trump. We've been
talking about this today. You know, you've heard about all
these deals. You know, Saudi Arabia is giving us money,
investing money. Guitar announced they're investing all of this. This
is that's what Donald Trump does. He does this because
of his business acumen and he really does believe. I

(59:06):
think in his heart of hearts that peace is attained
through prosperity. If we can have both, guess what, that
region will all of a sudden become alive.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
And well here am all right.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
We'll talk about the big hearing before the Supremes tomorrow.
Stay with us. You know, we gotta stop complaining about
the weather.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
I know. Well, if it would just cooperate, yeah, I'd
stop complaining.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, start, but just cooperating.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, Well, it's we're supposed to be enjoying the outside.

Speaker 9 (59:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I love the attitude that Congressman Blake Moore is taking
after what happened to him last night before a committee
as it was studying taxation.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Very long hearing started at two o'clock yesterday, got over
at five o'clock this morning, and when they went to
call for a vote on a certain issue, Blake Moore
would sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
So when I woke up this morning, I saw these
images of these members of Congress in a committee, just
stone cold to sleep. Not just him, but a couple
of them. And I'm thinking to myself, you mean you
couldn't get to an early morning committee without falling it
that you look like college kids at a morning college
class that had a you know, a doozy of a
night before. Yeah, are you kidding me? Or is it
that decadent in DC? These guys can't have a good

(01:00:24):
night's sleep before they start their committee. But then I
learned that they started the day before and they went
all the way to the next morning. Yeah, I have
a little bit more and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
He's having a little fun with it. Yeah, you got
to have an attitude. Okay, I mean you you said
you once requested to be on the Taxation Committee.

Speaker 8 (01:00:41):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
You were serving, and you said it was dreadful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
It was. It was I thought, all I want to
do is cut taxes. I thought, okay, now I want
to get on the tax and rev so I can
just cut taxes every day. Sure, And then they got
into all the details all and then the tax law,
and it was like I just wanted to put bamboo
shoots under my fingernails. It would have been a better,
better effort than sitting in that committeit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
How do how do accountants, I guess a countants get
into this stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Huh. I've watched them. They geek out on that baby,
they geek out. Ah, man, do they ever. They love
all the deductions, they love the depreciation, they love this,
They love that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
That's why I just want to flat tax. I want
to get rid of all that. I want to get
all rid of all that so called nuance. I just
think it's ways. It's just loopholes that the people that
know how to get out of paying taxes you use
and the everyday people just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
You know, we just chicked off every accountant out there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I know they if you didn't have a bad tax
code that big. I think a lot of I think
it is the Full Employment Act first.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Could be could be? All right? Well, tomorrow very important
hearing before the US Supreme Court. Now a lot of
people are characterizing this as a hearing about birthright citizenship.
In a roundabout way, it is, but it's really more
about the power that federal district judges have around the country.
And joining us on our Newsmaker line right now to

(01:01:58):
talk about that hearing tomorrow is Margot Cleveland. She is
a senior legal correspondent at the Federalist and of the
Attorney as well. Margo, thanks for joining us tonight. Of
course we talked about the birthright citizenship issue but the
hearing tomorrow morning there is a much more narrower focus
on that what is it and why is this such
an important hearing?

Speaker 12 (01:02:18):
Absolutely, as you noted, a lot of people think this
is about birthright citizenship, and that question is actually not
before the court. The only thing that the Court is
looking at, and the only thing that Trump administration asked
the Court to look at, is the propriety of a
nationwide injunction. And to explain to your listeners what that

(01:02:41):
means is that one district judge, and in this case,
it's actually three different cases. So three different district court
judges entered injunctions that apply throughout the United States. So
we had one in Washington State, one in Massachusetts, and
I'm blanking on what the third state was. It was

(01:03:02):
another out east state. So those judges declared that the
executive order that explained what birthright citizenship meant and didn't
mean was unconstitutional under the fourteenth Amendment, and then prohibited
anything to take place to implement or enforce that executive

(01:03:26):
order anywhere in the country. So all the Supreme Court
is deciding is whether or not one district court judge
has the power to enter this kind of nationwide injunction
that applies to people who are not parties to the case,
that have no actual injury in front of the judge.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Are we seeing an overreach from the judiciary and maybe
a claim of jurisdiction they have not had before, or
has the judiciary always had this broad ability to place
an injunction beyond their own jurisdiction and across the country.

Speaker 12 (01:04:07):
So the answer is here, it's a little bit of both.
They have not always had it. The idea of nationwide
injunctions is a fairly recent phenomenon that we're seeing probably
in the last thirty years. But since the Trump administration
Trump two point zero, in what three months, we've had

(01:04:27):
thirty nine different nationwide injunctions entered by lower courts. That
is at a level that has never been seen before.
And while a lot of people were like, well, that's
because Trump's doing all this crazy stuff at one, it's
not true because many of these nationwide injunctions have been

(01:04:47):
stayed either by the Supreme Court or Court of Appeals.
And two, during the Biden administration, even when people eventually
won in their lawsuit against the administration, there were no
nationwide injunctions entered at the first part of it. So
this is something that's become more prevalent in the last

(01:05:11):
you know, thirty years, but more so just in this
Trump administration that we've.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Seen it during this administrative time of Donald Trump. I mean,
do you get a sense that the Supreme Court is
getting a little frustrated maybe with these lower court judges saying, Hey,
you're going into territory that really isn't yours, so stay
out of it. And will this ruling, if in fact
they rule in favor of the administration, will that send
a signal around the country? Do you feel, Margo?

Speaker 12 (01:05:37):
So, unfortunately, I think the Supreme Court is getting frustrated
with the wrong person. I think the Supreme Court is
frustrated with Trump because they are not dealing swiftly with
these lower court injunctions. They've only done it in a
couple of cases, and in the cases that they've done it,
for the most part, they kind of give Trump a

(01:05:57):
backhanded win by saying, Wow, we're going to stay this
and then they come out and say, well, the deadlines pass,
so we're not going to go any further and the
lower court can decide what to do. That to me,
does not send the message that the Supreme Court is
frustrated with the lower courts. If I think there's four
justices who are, and then I think there are two

(01:06:20):
justices who want to stay above the fray, and that
would be Justices Roberts and Justice bear It. And those
justices typically like to appear a political But the problem
is these lower court judges are not acting a politically.
These are judges who, in their opinions, are going way

(01:06:42):
beyond the issues, saying negative things about the administration and
in many of the cases overreaching. So to your question
of is this going to have an impact on the
lower courts, It's going to have an impact on some
of the lower courts because it will limit nationwide injunctions

(01:07:04):
where there are constitutional challenges brought. But other cases that
are brought under what's called the Administrative Procedure Act, this
case will have no impact on injunctions issued under that statute,
and that statute has an entirely different mechanism for issuing injunctions.

(01:07:26):
And unfortunately, we've seen a lot of injunctions by the
lower courts come into play through what is called the APA.
Those injunctions that Trump administration is challenging on the merits
saying you can't issue this injunction at all. Not that
you just can't issue a nationwide, but you can't issue
it at all. So I do think the Supreme Court's

(01:07:49):
decision is going to start coming in the lower courts,
but it needs to do a lot more before we're
anywhere near the need of restraint that needs to be shown.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
So marrow to your point where you have you have
a Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett who want to
go along and get along. My nightmare is if they
decide no, no, you can continue to do these injunctions
and nationwide and where they're judge shopping, you know, to
be able to stop and delay this president and where
we've had thirty nine decisions that are unprecedented. If the

(01:08:25):
Supreme Court rules that it's fine, does that blow the
doors off and we get one hundred and thirty nine
and you don't have to shop too hard to get
to another judge because they weren't comfortable with it before.
But since the Supreme Court said go for it, you're
going to get more of these. Do we run that risk?

Speaker 12 (01:08:39):
Well? I don't think that is a risk that is
very high because five of the Justices have spoken out
against nationwide injunctions in the past, so I think we
have a solid majority in this context, not under the APA,
but in this context. And unfortunately, it's not hard to

(01:09:01):
bring an APA claim. And in fact, that's the biggest
problem I have is that all of these kind of
get Trump, you know, for his agenda cases are being
squeezed into this APA framework, which is really supposed to
deal with regulations and challenging regulations, not challenging how administrative

(01:09:26):
agency is actually operating. So I think that the fear
of getting hundreds more injunctions, I think we're still going
to get one hundred more injunctions until the Supreme Court
cracks down on the APA merits and says you can't
bring these types of cases under the Administrative Procedure Act.

(01:09:47):
So I don't think that there's a risk that they're
going to uphold nationwide injunctions in this context. But I
don't think that that's going to be the solve that
everyone thinks it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Margo Cleveland, thank you, Margo for any of us on
our any our newsmaker line. That disturbs me though when
she just said this may not stop the injunctions.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah, as long as we do there's a will, there's
a way, and you know the Democrats have a will,
They're going to find a way to continue it. And
I look at the number of removals deportations that President
Obama did and without judges, by the way, without courts,
and I don't know how President Trump can even get
to that three million number that Obama is successfully able

(01:10:28):
to do. Even his so called due process was what
they called a rocket talcket inside the Ice attention center
with no attorney for the other for the deportee. But
you know, they did concentrate on the criminals, and there's
plenty of them that you can still deport three million
people and they're the worst of the worst that was
back then. Think about the last four years, the mess
we got.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
We just hope Barrett and Roberts don't go weak need
on us on this one. I know, I know I
can't trust those two anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Yeah, breaking news, I know we're going to go to
a break. But top I write and officials say that
kran would forego highly enriched uranium and nuclear deal with Trump.
The comments from the member of the Supreme Leader's inner
circle appeared to be the clearest public statements yet on
Iran's willingness to reach an agreement with US, and that's

(01:11:16):
in light of Trump's I think offering peace or an
olive branch, but also offer you're going to get sanctions
that are going to put you under and because we're
never letting you get nuclear weapons. And I think that
combination that he has used, as we've talked about UH,
at least is bringing the statements or a desire, a
state of desire to find an agreement with Dosian Trump, which.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Don't we have a sanction on their oil right now?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
We do? He said in one of his comments that
some of the secondary sanctions are looking at he believed
would would cripple Iran even worse than the than the ones.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Where but they're certainly most of their oil to Russia
and China anyway, it's probably India.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Right So I don't know what they are, but whatever
whatever he doing, and as Iran is seeing the Arab
States kind of embrace Trump, I think Iran is feeling
isolated out there, and at least they're signaling by way
of statements that they want to find a way forward.
So that can't be bad news, No.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Can't be all right more. Coming up, it is the
Rodin Greig Show here on Utah's Talk Radio one O
five nine KNRS. We always like to bring a little
levity to the show each and every day, and someone
who does it for us occasionally is Senator John Kennedy, wonderful,
the wonderful Republican from the great state of Louisiana. We
always can find a little humor into what Senator Kennedy

(01:12:35):
has to say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
And it's always wrapped in so much truth. So he
is just fatigued. He knows that that Trump is doing
great things. He knows that the deal with China was
nothing but a win, no other way to define it.
But he's asked about it, and he's asked, do you
think this whole kind of thing was good or bad?
This is what he had to say, that it was.

Speaker 13 (01:12:53):
A big victory, not just for President Trump but for America.
Before the President did what he did, China's tariffs on
the United States were a little over twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Percent on average. Now they're ken.

Speaker 13 (01:13:07):
Our tariffs on China were a little over twenty now
they're thirty. That's what a twenty point swing. Now, I've
listened all day to some of my Democratic colleagues say that, well,
we we didn't get anything for it. You know, if
you believe that, I'm not saying you're the dumbest person

(01:13:28):
in the world, but you better hold the dumbest person
in the world doesn't die.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
You may not be the dumbest person in the world,
but I hope that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
You better pray that the dumbest prison world doesn't die.
That's right up there, number one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Yeah, John John Kennedy is so great. Well, it hit
so much and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
He's good at math. It's like, you can't really interpret
anything that's happened here as a loss to the United States.
It's so much better than it was. And that's how
negotiations occur. If you just let President Trump do the
work he knows how to do, you'll be happy with
I think the outcome. And look, I cannot imagine he's
going to bat a thousand. I don't think that he's
going to be successful in every one of these negotiations

(01:14:14):
walking in. But so far, I feel like everything that
he's been presenting in terms of the trillion if you
take before this Middle East trip, he was up to
seven or eight trillion dollars of on shoring, committed economic
activity from countries and main corporations. But now when you
consider what some of these Arab states are committing to

(01:14:35):
in terms of trade, this success, the economic success, the
revitalization of our working class in America, it's all upside.
And so I think we're almost we're almost playing with
house money at this point, because I think we've seen
more movement here than we've seen as a country since
the Clinton administration passed NAFTA in the nineties. I think

(01:14:56):
it's been downhill. I think it started downhill before NAFTA.
I think NAFTA made it worse. And I say that
in hindsight. I was someone who thought that NAFTA was fine.
I supported it. Ross Perrot is right and I was wrong.
And I think this is the turnaround that we've needed
for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Well, speaking of jobs, this announcement today, Carrier announcing today
that they plan to invest one billion dollars in US
manufacturing over the next five years, expected to create about
four thousand jobs, and real we're getting stories like this
on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
It's really going to change public education too, because these
these are not jobs that you could just graduate from
high school and PLoP yourself into in a factory. These
are going to be skilled This is skilled labor. There's
going to be technology that you're familiar with in terms
of how things are manufactured today, and so you're gonna
have a very you got have to have a very
skilled workforce. But what's exciting is it's going to give
our young people, our emerging workforce, young people so many

(01:15:50):
options of how to really make a living. No sociology
degree with hundreds of thousand dollars, if you live outside
of Utah for college tuition in debt, without a job
really to pay it off, You're going to have some
incredible opportunities to engage in a career. You know, get
do what you want, get married and raise kids, do
whatever you want. But you're going to have these opportunities

(01:16:10):
because America is going to be back in terms of
it's working class. It's going to have a working class
working again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yeah, and that's what Utah I think greg has going for.
We have a well educated, young workforce, and I hope
state officials are doing everything they can to attract some
of these businesses here to the state of Utah because
we are a bright spot. We have so many things going.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
For us, and you know what, there's a lot of
chirping out there from people in Utah and around the
country saying I won't be able to get my iPhone
is cheap every year. If you do all this, you
know this country. It shows such a disconnect from the
everyday people of this country that you're looking at what
your iPhone costs every year versus trying to realign these
trade agreements and seeing an emerging working workforce and our

(01:16:53):
working class have real paying and good paying jobs to
support themselves and to support families. So I'm just happy
to see it coming to fruition.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Interesting report coming out tonight, Craig, This could be a
very interesting story if in fact this happens. But there
is a report out tonight that Minneapolis Police, State Police,
and Minneapolis Police are reportedly preparing for a potential Derek
Chauvin pardon wow, Yeah, Derek Chauvin of course, the police

(01:17:24):
officer involved in the death of George Floyd, convicted of murder.
I think was he not? I think he was, Yeah,
But apparently there has been talk because the information coming
out about you know, where George Floyd was and what
he had in his body and the drugs it consumed
during that time. You know, should Derek Chauvin be given
a pardon and apparently there are reports that that may

(01:17:44):
be in the works.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Well, that would be would be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
A big, big story, sure would all right, more coming
up on the Roden greg Show in Utah's talk radio
one oh five nine k n ars. Cinder Lee was
on Fox News with Laura Ingram just about an hour ago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah, he's with us.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
First, I mean, it's priorities now. Well, Sender Lee joined us.
We had a chance to talk to him about a
number of issues, but first of all, we wanted to
get his thoughts on the President's trip to the Mid
East and what he thinks.

Speaker 9 (01:18:09):
Well, President Trump is absolutely right in what he's been
saying about this. The future of the Middle East is
in fact, commerce, not chaos. And this is a trip
that I think represents a significant step towards ensuring American
energy remains the backbone of global stability and strength for

(01:18:29):
many years to come. This is proof positive that peace
through strength works. He's shown strength and it's working. Biden's
week leadership damaged our interest in the Middle East, but
President Trump is respected on the world stage, because he
asserts American interests and defends them constantly. Many Middle East

(01:18:50):
leaders wouldn't even take a phone call from President Biden
this week welcoming Trump and America with open arms during
this to our trip. I think the dynamics changed, and
this is something I think can have long term implications
for regional peace and stability. And this is a win
for America.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I could agree more. I think the Abraham Accords that
he signed in his first term and that he's looking
to add Arab nations in now in his second term
isn't getting enough attention either. These are the types of
peace agreements and cooperation that we've talked about. I've been
listening to spoken about my whole life. You're seeing some
movement there, Senator, tell me what if you think it's true.

(01:19:30):
I think that he is doing and only the way
that Trump could, speaking aspirationally even about the country of Iran, saying, look,
I wish the best for them, I want them to
be happy people. But you'll never have a nuclear bomb.
You'll never And so he has this way to be
aspirational and friendly, and then he has this very hard line.
But you know, the time clock's ticking it's time to

(01:19:51):
make a deal, and there's a seriousness to it. Do
you think he's boxing, at least boxing out Iran and
maybe even China from these Arab nations with these kinds
of speeches and this type of tour of the Middle East.
Is America stronger from this tour with Arab nations than before?

Speaker 7 (01:20:09):
All right? Undoubtedly?

Speaker 9 (01:20:11):
So I think he's projecting strength, and I'm with him that.
I love the way he expresses the sentiment because I
to share the view. The running people are good. The
running people are very different than the Iranian regime in power.
The running people want to live in peace. Many of
them have interests that are aligned with ours. And so

(01:20:34):
he's making clear he's not doing this to be cuetuitously
mean to keep any in the nation down. But this
regime in Iran has been a significant state sponsor and
purveyor of terror, and a regime like that gaining nuclear
weapons is not good for the United States, and I'm
glad he's making that stand.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Senator, Let's bring it back home a little bit and
talk about what's going on in Washington. You've you've got
a hearing before the Supreme Court tomorrow, which is really
going to test the power of lower court judges and
dealing of course with birthright citizenship. How important of a
hearing is this tomorrow and the ruling that the Supreme
Court will.

Speaker 9 (01:21:13):
Make it is very important. Now, it's not getting to
the heart of the issues, not getting to the tombstict
of merit of the underlying case dealing with the executive
order that President Trump issued, and that it has to
do rather with the injunctive power of a federal court

(01:21:35):
to and join to thwart the implementation of a presidential
policy directive in that manner. It's not clear to me
how this one is going to turn out, but I
think it could have very consequential ramifications, I hope very
favorable ramifications to draw a line in the sand and

(01:21:56):
to say, look, in so far as the president is
acting within his executive powers under the Constitution and consistent
with his authorities that have been defined statutorily, you can't
allow the courts to be an opportunity to relitigate the
last presidential election. Nor can you allow the courts to

(01:22:17):
become a forum for relitigating the policy determinations made by
a president within his executive powers. That's what I hope
that we will see from the Supreme Court. This is
somewhat unusual for the Court to hold an oral argument
in a case this late in the term. Remember, they
turn into pumpkins effectively the end of June, and so

(01:22:40):
we're talking about more or less a six week window
in which they have the hero oral argument and then
decide the case. So I hope and expect that by
the end of June we will know more about this,
and if it turns out the way I hope and
expect it to, there will be a lot less of
this denial of presidential power to delay in the courts.

Speaker 7 (01:23:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I really hope we see that, because I think that
we're seeing unprecedented delays, and every day you delay this
president in the second term, it's a win for the
other side if they can stop him, even just delay
him from what he's doing. Let's talk about the big
beautiful bill, Okay, Let's talk about what's happening in Congress
with the budget. With all that we cannot see taxes
go up. We have to keep I hate calling it

(01:23:24):
to Trump tax cuts because we're not talking about a
cut per se at least, and the cuts that were
made in twenty seventeen. We're talking about just keeping our
tax rate from not going up, so we should at
least keep taxes exactly where they are. And then there's
the talk about tax on tips, or tax on overtime
or social security. There are those things. Senator, My question is,
I think doache has done a very good job, even

(01:23:45):
though they've received so much resistance in opposition. There's one
hundred and seventy billion at least of savings that can
be found with what they've looked at already. You have
receipts for that. Are those savings going to be found
in the big beautiful bill, because you it's not just
a percentage cut. These are real I think fraud more
than even waste going on in the federal government. Is

(01:24:07):
the budget that you're going to look at, is it
going to reflect some of the good work that Doge
has done. And are we going to prevent a tax
increase by getting the bill passed?

Speaker 9 (01:24:18):
Okay, let me address the last part of the question. First,
we are not going to let taxes go. Remember, if
we do nothing and between now and the end of
the year. By the end of the year, if we've
done nothing, the taxes go up four trillion dollars. We
can't let that happen. And it's just that tax increase,
tax increase, It would be really deadly to economic growth,

(01:24:42):
for economic mobility, it would harm hard working Americans, very
bad for the middle class. We're not going to let
that happen. We can't let it happen. As to the
dog cuts, I agree with you. Those have been very
important that done heroic work amidst great conflicts, and a
lot of opposition flaw them for that. I do believe

(01:25:03):
that a lot of what they're identifying, insofar as it
can be done on the reconciliation builds, there will be
features of that that show up in the reconciliation builds. However,
it's important to note here there are two different types
of spending that Congress handles. You've got the what we

(01:25:23):
call mandatory spending side. Those are things like source security,
that a care of medicaid, interest on debt, and then
a handful of other miscellaneous mandatory programs. Those are things
that don't have to be reappropriated every year. If Congress
knows nothing, then they continue to be funded. Then you
have a so called discretionary side of spending that includes

(01:25:45):
most other things that we associate with government that are
not entitlements, interest on debt, and so forth. A lot
of I would say, the overwhelming share of the vays
broad and abuse that was identified by dough, but certainly
not all of it with on the discretionary side of
the ledger, not the mandatory side. The Reconciliation bill deals

(01:26:10):
with mandatory spending, not discretionary. Okay, there are other features
that allow us to deal with the discretionary side, not
only for our appropriations process the next one of those
bills will be coming up September thirtieth, but also through
what are known as recisions packages. Some of those operate
on a privileged status, can be passed by a simple

(01:26:30):
fifty one vote majority in the Senate. Both have to
be handled separately and are initiated by the White House,
and I expect we're going to see some of those
as well, reflecting a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Lot of the DOGE findings on any of our Newsmaker line.
Utah Senator Mike Lee talking about a number of topics,
including that very important hearing tomorrow before the US Supreme
Court and the issue not so much of birthright citizenship,
but the federal the power of federal district judges and
how they can impose an injunction on the entire country,
not just their districts issue.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
I'm just hopeful, I really am. I I don't there's
just a there's just selective logic, even from the Supreme Court,
from Chief Justice Roberts and even Justice Barrett with with
Trump for some reason. I mean, Democrats were so hostile
towards the Supreme Court, and yet they seem to reserve
more commentary for President Trump in a negative way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
They hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I don't want to be a downer. I want to
be I want to be hopeful that this is going
to work its way through, workout.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
The governor releases his schedule of what a week ahead
of time. Yes, usually, and you noticed today that the
governor had a call with Tom Holman.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Who is you know, the country's border czar right now. Well,
apparently there's some news coming out of that today that
they've reached an agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yes, and and and I think there's more coming. I
don't know that today's agreement that was announced is I
want to I want to say that the call today
is to continue the relationship between the state of Utah,
our law enforcement officers, and the and and the you
know Trump administration. So here's the deal. Here's what was
announced in our correctional facilities. And this is folks. There's

(01:28:08):
just a difference. I just have to make sure we
know it. For some reason, and I don't agree with
the reason. If you come into this country illegally and
that's all you've done, that is considered a civil crime,
not a criminal crime. And so that civil offense of
being here illegally, it does not allow you to be
detained in a jail or a or a you know,

(01:28:29):
state correctional facility. But if you have committed a crime
in the state, if you came in here illegally, and
then in addition to arriving here illegally, you then commit
a crime, you find yourself in a jail, and if
it's a felony and you're found guilty, you find yourself
in a Utah correctional facility. Yes, it has been the
case for sheriffs and in their jails and in Utah

(01:28:51):
Department of Corrections for them to notify ICE when they
have someone that is undocumented illegal alien who's serving time
either in jail or in in in the correctional facility
for a felony. So it's been up to the administration
in ICE whether they're going to come get them when
that's over there. They're given they're already given a notice,
so that the announcement today was that the Utah Department

(01:29:14):
of Corrections signs an agreement with ICE regarding illegal immigrants
in their custody. So what they're going to do is,
as they've always done, let ICE know they've got someone
who's illegal in their facility.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
And committed a crime.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Who's committed crime, So if you're in the jail, if
you're in a jail, you're you might be accused, you
might be waiting for a trial, you might be serving
time for a misdemeanor. If you're in a Utah correctional facility,
you've been found guilty of a felony. That's why you're
serving hard time. They're going to notify, as they have
in the past, ICE that they have someone in their
in their custody in that correctional facility that's committed a crime.

(01:29:49):
The interesting part about this agreement is that the Utah
Department of Corrections will have UH employees that also are
trained and work with ICE and they can come and
they can retrieve these illegal immigrants. And I believe it
means even if they haven't served there. Let's say they
got a ten year sentence, five year sentence, I think

(01:30:09):
when that ICE is notified, if they got a little
warm bed waiting for him in El Salvador, I think
you're gonna go there. That's what I think is gonna
happen here. So that's there's there's some comments about what
that will mean. For there's an immigration attorney that thinks
will there's going to be more jail time served than
than resolving it ahead of time. Well, resolving it ahead
of time was code for well, we'll plea down and

(01:30:32):
let them loose again. Yeah, okay, No, they're they're now
to go in there. And I think it's gonna be.
We already have for our you know, run of the
mill criminals. We're having some jail bed capacity problems as
a state. I think letting ICE know that you've got
some criminals that have been sentenced to felonies that are
in our correctional facilities and letting ICE you know, do

(01:30:52):
whatever they need to do take them out when they're
you know, remove them they want to. I think that's
great news, and hopefully the discussion with the governor and
Tomahomeman today we'll even and expand upon that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
I hear El Salvador has a wonderful prison.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Oh, I've heard rave reviews. It's like five star prison quality.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
That's it for us. Head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family will

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