The Rod and Greg Show: U.S. Needs Better Bail Practices; Jason Chaffetz on Fixing Healthcare

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's goold, have a break. We're about to start one,
not yet but a few hours.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We've got some work to do still as we're finishing
up the week, all of us. But it is true
that iHeart and can or Rests will have a holiday
programming for the next two weeks as we enjoy time
with our family, as you will as well your fan
friends and family for the holiday season.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think it's a good break. That's a good you
know bookmark.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
We end the twenty twenty five and we get back
here in twenty six, rare and to go.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I tell you what in twenty six is going to
be a heck of a year. I mean, midterms are up,
midterms are coming. You're going to see euroc If Trump's
economic plan actually is helping Americans Americans, I think I'm
confident it will. But there are a lot of things
we'll be looking for.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
You know, we got spoiled in twenty twenty five. We
just saw a president that came out of the shoot
having one term under his belt, a term in between,
to kind of really think about it, to get out
of it and come back revisit it. Put a cabin together,
I think is one of the most prolific and probably
one of the most well recognized and accomplished cabinets of
amiss we've seen. I think every one of them are
just it's a star chamber. I think it's been great,

(01:04):
But there's been so much good progress that we almost
I think, focus sometimes on things we'd like to see
better without the inventory of how much has actually been
done in such a short amount of time. I think
we're getting used to that pace, but I look so.
I think that's why twenty twenty five was a fun
year to be on the on the air with our
listeners because every day we just nobody was. Nobody was.

(01:27):
Nobody was, you know, calling in sick, Nobody was. This
administration has been hair on fire running. We had a
incredible summer. That call, you know, highlighted in Congress in
August with a big, beautiful bill, a Recision Act where
the Executive branch says, hey, you gave us too much money, Congress,
we'd like you to take some of it back, which
you don't need sixty votes in the House to take
that money back. We haven't seen that before in a

(01:49):
long time. So a lot of things happening, and it's
been fun to share them with you our listeners, and
I think twenty six it doesn't slow down, does it.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
No, it's going to be fun. As a matter of fact,
we've been, ok, you know, year long that when we
have our morning meeting and we usually have a conference
call about eight thirty most mornings, some mornings we don't,
but we pretty well set the day and by the
time the show goes on the air, it looks nothing
like we've talked about, you know, in the morning. Case
in point today, all right, I'm give you an example.
Donald Trump, who just I don't know if the guy sleeps,

(02:19):
I don't know what he's on, but I want someone,
you know, announced today met with all the major drug
companies in an effort to lower prescription drug prices. Right,
and then when is the world when are terrorists organizations
in this world going to learn do not mess with
Donald Trump and the United States of America, Because, as

(02:41):
you heard in Jason's newscast just a moment ago, America
has retaliated for the attack on Americans Sinceyria, killing two guardsmen,
National guardsmen from Iowa and an interpreter. Well, they retaliate today,
Pete Haig Seth, I think they called it Operation Hawkeye,
and they hit fifty sites in and sights in Syria

(03:02):
just a short time ago to take him out. Don't
mess with Donald Trump and the USA.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And isn't it isn't it an interesting description where someone said, Look,
you've got a president that has no desire to be
engaged in every war, in every conflict around the world.
A president who says, I want to help solve a
Pakistan and I and India, uh you know term war.
I want to solve the Rwanda and the whatever is
it Somalia. I want to find So I mean he

(03:29):
has I think there's eight different global conflicts that he
has brokened a piece a deal with. So he doesn't
have any desire to fight. He doesn't have any desire
to engage that way. He wants to be a president
that finds peace. But man, mess around and find out
you go after him. Go after this country with your poison,
fentanyl and your and your drugs coming in here killing

(03:50):
tens of thousands of people a day. We will protect
our country, protect He protects the West or hemisphere here
at home, but he does it in such a different way.
If you're a hawk, you're supposed to be in every
the globalists want you, and the neocons once you in
every war, just shoveling money to everybody. He doesn't do it.
But man, I don't think you can say this man's
in isolationist. I think he is in complete conversations, high conversations,

(04:13):
high level conversations with regions and countries all over the world.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, he established a relationship with the new Assyrian leadership.
He visited the White House what was several weeks ago,
and I imagine the President reached out to him and said, hey,
we aren't going to put up with this. We're coming
into Syria, We're going to hit icens. Just want to
make sure he didn't ask permission, but just to let
him know that would be my guest that he did.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Anything I know about I just think in human nature.
And you can actually take this practice in politics. You
can do a policy, you can do it anywhere. You
get more of whatever you put up with. Yeah, so
this is one of those bright lines that's supposed to
help people that might not like America and want to
make it hard for America to see that if you
do this, the misery index for yourself and for many
others will be beyond your imagination if you keep doing

(04:59):
what you just did. And I think that's a powerful message.
That is actually a message of deterrence. When they come
in that hard and that hot, hitting fifty sites for
what they did, I do think it has the effect
of it has a chilling effect for more of that
type of terrorist ACKs, those terrorist acts.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I would agree with you. We've got a lot to
talk to you about today. As we mentioned at the
start of the show, we may have some fun in
the five o'clock howur, because you know Greg and I
we're going to take a break for a couple of weeks,
and no doubt there'll be days where we get a
little bored. Do you ever get bored?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, No, if you're bored, I'll give you something to do.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's what That's what the mom.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Said, And you've learned that lesson.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
No, I'm never bored, but I'm easily entertained. So I
don't know that I should brag about that. But I
don't get bored because I can.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Find something something entertaining. Well, well, we'll explain what we're
going to do in the five o'clock hoower in that.
But the story today, other than what has just happened
in Syria is we're learning more information about what happened
at Brown Universe and the fact that the key, the
hero in all of this is a homeless man who
was sleeping in the basement of the building where that

(06:09):
shooting took place.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
It is I think it's an incredible story and it's
you would need some absolutely bizarre scenario where someone that
would have such familiarity of the property the building to
know that things that were happening around and for a
number of days, for I think ten or twelve, fifteen
days or something, something was different, something was wrong, someone
was casing that area. He was able to identify the

(06:31):
individual as well as the car that they would walk
to and even walk away from or pretend that it
wasn't theirs. And this person was watching all of this happen,
and so that eyewitness account, he said that it's a
Reddit account where he said, I submitted it to the
FBI that I have I believe I might know who
this is and hadn't hurt anything back for a number
of days, but with less than twenty four hours after

(06:54):
they drilled down and understood what it was that this
individual saw why he saw what where his position where
he was that allowed him to make have these share
these observations. It was less than twenty four hours that
they were to tract that Nissan, which then Gray nis
On which then had a Florida plates, and then to
that storage shed.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And he was alive.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
By the way the story goes that he wasn't. They
didn't come upon him, passed away. He was hiding and
he knew he'd been caught, and that's when the suspect
chose to end his life.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, this homeless man, who at this point has only
been identified as John, apparently had been sleeping in the
basement of that building, had an interaction with him, which
is kind of unique. Yes, and he saw him coming
in and out of the building, and it's amazing that
he went unridded and said I may have some information,
and all one responded. Now you would think they would

(07:44):
have Where would they be today if he hadn't finally
stepped up and said, I've got some information you wanted
to take a look at.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, that's what's amazing about last yesterday's show. To this show,
we were seeing nothing by way of leadership, nothing by
way of sleuthing. There was there were no cameras, there's
no nobody was coming up with anything that made any
kind of sense at all. It was just more and
more frustration. And then this one individual, and I'm telling
you one of the stories, the story I read from
the Associated Press said that he would start to follow

(08:12):
this individual, and then the guy was walking before he
realized that the man that lives in the building that
I guess no one knew, but the fact that he
was following, he didn't realize he's being followed. When he did,
he walked past his car, so that the person, this guy,
this eyewitness, didn't know it was his car, but he
had already seen that that was his car and yelled
out to him, where are you going? Your car's over here,

(08:33):
and the guy, the suspect that yells back, I don't
know you from anyone. Why are you following? Why you're
harassing me? So there had been a back and forth
with that that guy. So anyway, I still don't understand.
I don't know if we'll ever understand. I hope we do.
The connection between Now they say that this gentleman who

(08:54):
took his own life is I think he's forty eight,
came here he was a Brown student in two thousand
and one. They don't have record of him being a
student of the school beyond that early two thousands a year,
but he had some.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
In his what's it where's he from?

Speaker 4 (09:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
No, no, it's like Portugal or Portugal. He was in
an engineering program with the MIT professor.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
A long long time ago.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
When they both lived, you know, in their native country.
And then but how that connected with who was shot
in that classroom at Brown. No one's really been able
to connect the dots on any of that yet.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Now the question is being raised for this homeless man.
Apparently there was a fifty thousand dollars reward for help
in finding this guy, this shooter, and uh, you know
there are people out there saying give give the poor
homeless man fifty thousand dollars. He deserved it, and he did.
He stepped up and said, I've got some information for you.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, an that FBI agent, well, yeah, it's good if
you guys homing didn't have a roof over his head.
This is this is very timely. But the FBI agent
wasn't in a position to say absolute, but said, I
think I think he qualifies for the reward. Because it's
his tip that led to the act to finding out
who he was and where he was.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
We'll see, all right, a lot to come your way
when we come back, we'll talk about better bail practices,
and former Utah congressman now Foxed host extraordinaire Jason Chaffers
will join us. At the bottom of the hour. We'll
talk about healthcare in America. That's all coming up on
the Friday afternoon edition of The Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one O five to nine. Okay, n R.
Coming up at the bottom of the hour, Former Utah

(10:29):
congressman now Fox News star Jason Chaffits will be joining us.
We'll talk about healthcare in America. But right now we
want to talk about bail and bail practices.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I know you were in the legislature for a number
of years. You dealt with this all the time. How
would you describe Utah when it comes to our bail
practices here in the state.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, that's strong.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, no, that after I left, you know, the whole
place went nuts. Okay, it was all we were just
doing just fine. Well, they got rid of the bail
schedule entirely. Oh, no, catch and release became all the
rage government, state government or county attorneys. They've tried to
do this, what this condition of release programs that are
you know, government instead of the bail bond industry, they

(11:09):
have not worked well. Or attorneys that hated Bill Bonsman
are now arguing, you can't just if they failed their
conditions of release, you have to have a hearing. You
can't just throw them back into jail. So it actually
isn't working, and so there's some of that schedule's been
brought back, but it is not what it used to be.
And there's a lot of people that want to see

(11:31):
people not fail to appear when they're apprehended.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, a day doesn't go by where we hear a
tragic story of somebody who committed the crime and is
out of jail because a very loose jail practices. And
the question is will better bail practices make all of
us safer? Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk
about that right now is our next guest, Justin Keener.
He is co founder of Americans for Public Safety. Justin,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Doing well?

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Justin, why do you think better bail practice will make
us safer. What do you see happening if the bail
practices around the country were stronger.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, as you were just discussing, we've had to be
honest with you. We've had progressive prosecutors and rogue judges
just frankly lose their mind over the last few years,
and incredibly dangerous individuals who have been arrested for multiple
repeat violent offenses, murder, rape, assault on police officer, you
name it. They're being released on bail while awaiting trial,

(12:26):
and then they go on to commit additional violent crimes.
And bail is in the constitution. It's a constitutional thing
and it's there in order to do two things. One
protect the public and two to ensure that someone shows
up for trial in case they're a flight risk. And
so if we can, if we can do some reforms
like Texas has done, for instance, where we can ensure

(12:48):
that if you are high risk to public safety and
a risk of flight, we keep you behind bars. You know,
even if you're even if you are able to buy
your way out, if you are dangerous, you need to
stay behind bars.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So maybe you can give us some swing thoughts, some
tips on how we can get maybe back to where
we were as a state, where we did have a
bail schedule, we did have ways that to hold people
that we thought were a flight risk or a danger
to the community. Because we have this, we have something
that's in between. Right now, it's still not working because
of as you mentioned, these rogue judges. We have prosecutors
that one of the most high profile cases was a

(13:24):
University of Utah football player that was killed by a
person that had a long history of violence and as
it was a refugee here in this country and should
have been behind bars at the time of the homicide.
So we see this happen, but the public doesn't really
get momentum behind this for some reason. Give us some tips.
What have states done to try and maybe get back

(13:44):
to what we thought was a better system.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
Well, let's go what you just said about the public
not paying attention, not being aware of it. We were
having that problem in Texas until there's a victims group,
well known Houston Crime Stoppers out of Houston that starts
publishing the number of individuals who are being murdered by
people released on bond, and those stories just were coming
out every single week, and that drove the legislature to

(14:09):
take action not only to change the law, but to
change our constitution to strengthen them. Now you mentioned bail schedules,
that's one way of doing it.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
We were doing that a little bit.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
In Texas, but it was ruled unconstitutional because people were
being given a bail just for the crime without looking
at the individual circumstances. And so what Texas did to
make sure it was constitutional is we look at bail
based on risk. I mean, what what is your what
is your chance of a threat to public safety? Uh

(14:40):
and a threat to flight? And there's algorithms you can use.
Some are good, some are terrible.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, I thought I've heard, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
And what you need to make sure is that it's
that it's very transparent that the public can see what
it is, that judges, lawmakers and others understand what's going
into it. And then it's not using factors that, frankly
you know, that are unc constitutional to use. And we've
had some that just release people and some that just
keep too many people in. And it's you got to
find a balance there because you want to keep the

(15:09):
dangerous people in. But if someone truly is a first
time low level, nonviolent, they're not at risk of the public,
they have ties to the community, and they're going to
show up for trial. Those aren't the individuals worth targeting.
And the Constitution's really clear about that. It's to protect
the public and to ensure that you return to court.
So Texas moved to a model that is based on

(15:30):
a risk because, like I said, if you're a threat,
you need to stay in and so you don't want
a situation where we have cartel members who just show
up with stacks of cash and get released even if
they have a ten million dollar bond.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
We're talking with Justin Keener, Justin as co founder of
Americans for Public Safety. We're talking about bail in America today.
Justin what led to these loose bail practices? I mean,
is that the feeling of those on the left that well,
he did something bad or she did something bad, but
it's really not that bad and if we let him go,
they'll be better. I mean, is that kind of the
thinking behind it, which is stupid, by the way, But

(16:04):
is that the thinking behind it?

Speaker 6 (16:07):
It's that's one way to put it. It's these social
justice experiments that the left is doing in so many cases,
you know, pushing ideology over.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Do we lose justin I think we have.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
There's social justice experiments, but at the expense of real lives,
people who are murdered, raped, kidnapped, and so forth. We
have an individual, her name was Rosalie Cook. She was
murdered by an individual who had been arrested sixty seven times,
multiple violent offenses, and her story, unfortunately, is becoming all
too familiar across America. And you have left wing organizations

(16:50):
that are recruiting candidates to run for DA, or cases
where judges are elected, recruiting them to run for judge,
put incredible sums of money, including.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
George Soros and other found Nations.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
And left wing political organizations, and get them elected and
then hold them accountable to just basically ensure that no
one is put behind bars.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
And we even see.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
I live in austin my home state, you know, home
state of Texas, and we have a source DA who
doesn't prosecute gun crimes, continuously drops charges. And that's also
disrespectful to police because they're out there arresting these individuals
and then they're not held accountable and they have to
go arrest them again.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Just what about accountabibility for judges or even transparency and rulings.
We have a difficult time with this in Utah of understanding, uh,
when a judge makes a ruling, when people are released
there are are actually dangerous that there's a very convoluted
system you can pay money to get into, but you
have to know how to how to navigate it. It's
almost like it's been designed to conceal how these judges
rule and when they do. How have you seen best practices?

(17:51):
How to see what judge how they rule and hold
and put some transparency to that.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
It's critical to have transparency and accountability for judges and
for das. Things that lawmakers can do in their states
include if when a judge issues a bail ruling, they
need to put in writing fly and what we are
what we expect to start seeing is that once that
is public and on the record, it's going to be

(18:18):
much harder for them to release repeat violent offenders. Also,
we need to have those decisions to be able to
be appealed. For instance, so say a prosecutor is trying
to do the right thing, but a judge won't let them,
The prosecutor can attempt to appeal that decision, but it
really goes to transparency and accountability. It's very difficult because

(18:39):
we do have a system where judges need to be
able to maintain some discretion, some independence if we're going
to maintain our system as our founders built it right,
and so the way to do that you can you know,
a lot of places elect their judges, and so if
you have the transparency and accountability, voters can see that
there's impeachment proceedings that whether you know, if these judges

(19:02):
are doing things that are clearly in violation of public safety.
We're a legislature or whatever the mechanism might be in
the state and need to start holding these judges accountable
and impeach them if that's the case.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Justin thank you very much for your thoughts on this.
Thank you for joining us. Merry Christmas and a happy
New Year to you. Thank you, Justin, Merry Christmas, Take care.
Justin Keener joining us on our Newsmaker Line Talk Radio
one oh five nine. Okay, Annous, all right, healthcare. I'm
just not sure, Greg, I mean, I think the Republicans
now have a chance to do something about healthcare. You know,

(19:34):
the system wasn't perfect when Obamacare came along. It was
not perfect at all, but he just made it worse.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yes, I mean did well.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
And look, all you have to do is if you
want to look at government run healthcare in the United States,
you look at our veterans administration hospitals, and no one's
ever said that's the top shelf of healthcare delivery. It's
it's always had its challenges, it's always had its you know,
it's when it's government run, there's I mean anyway, it's
it just has not been an example of the best

(20:05):
run healthcare facilities we've seen. So why did we think
that if you were to have more government control over
the delivery care that somehow that would all make it better.
But that doesn't it doesn't go with the trend.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's the democratic approach to everything. More government makes things better.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
Well.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line always a privilege to
have him on the show. We're talking about former Utah cogronsman,
Jason Schaffit is now a big star at Fox News. Jason.
Great to be with you. Jason. You talk about healthcare,
you talk about an opportunity the Republicans have to fix
what Barack Obama broke the question is will they take
that opportunity.

Speaker 8 (20:39):
Well, the Republicans have had a hard time getting their
act together about Obamacare. We always like when I was there,
he kept talking about repealing it, and then of course
we never did repeal it. And so it just strives
me nuts because I think there are things simply that
Americans want, they need, they would use if they could,
you know, they would just get the together and we

(21:01):
could actually have something that worked for the American people.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
You're so right.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
Other than that, you know, everything's going great.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
You know, so you know, you probably remember it was
a decade ago, but we fought viciously and hard as
a state legislature to prevent Obamacare expansion legislatively we were
able to it ultimately passed by a ballot measure. But
my point is we saw things down the road that
we knew would be a problem, and I think when
you were in office, you saw things that were untenable.

(21:29):
But we have receipts now, we now have, you know,
premiums that have gone up eighty percent, a temporary fix
that they have to leave permanent or else premiums are
going to double again. It's all an indictment of a
broken system that doesn't work, it's not affordable. So my
question is, has the House, I heard the House pass
something by way of health care? Is there any good
solution on the board that out there that gives people

(21:51):
a savings healthcare savings account? What solutions do you see
out there, Jason, that that you think Congress should be
either advancing or have advanced.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
So I wrote an off ed for Foxnews dot Com
and I put it out on a you know, on
the on X and people can look at it here.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
But there are some basic things.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
First of all, I don't think you can fix Obamacare.
And Republicans can say, oh, let's try to fix it.
It's so complicated. It literally is a couple thousand pages.
It's and then there is all these rulings by the secretary,
and hey, if people want that, keep it. But what
Republicans I think should do should simplify the argument and
just be able to say, hey, here are some things

(22:35):
you can do, like catastrophic plans across state lines. And
if you want to partner with an association like Costco members,
why can't they the forty million people belong to Costco,
why can't you buy into a pool that has something
like that and get catastrophic insurance. Not everybody wants to
have to deal and pay for pre existing conditions. Hsays.

(22:59):
The health savings accounts make total sense to me. You're controlling.
When you align financial incentives, you usually get the result
that you want. You should be able with a tax benefit.
Every single American should be able to buy into a
health savings account. You can draw upon that. If you
don't use the money you save it, you are an

(23:19):
interest in income from that. And you know, again it incentivizes.
But create this scenario in case you have a you know,
a catastrophic event, you can get some relief. There are
things like this that we can do.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Jason, you list about seven or eight of these. As
I'm looking over the article of all these items, is
there any discussion taking place in Washington to even talk
about one of these suggestions that you're making.

Speaker 8 (23:45):
The health savings account I think has a little bit
of momentum. You know, we have the largest in health
equity based here in Utah, the largest I believe in
the country. But less than six percent of Americans I've
been told, have health savings account and I think there'd
be a lot more if there was more eligibility, and

(24:05):
that you could up the amount of money that you
could set aside for your health care needs, because again,
you're not going to necessarily use it that year. If
you were to say thirty years old and healthy and
you want to put some money in that, but maybe
when you're seventy three then you might want to be
able to tap into that.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Well.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
It allows you to save and incentivize, So that's out there.
I just think the expansion of that would be so
much better. And then there are things that just makes
me mad that I know drive up the cost. That
is free emergency care. We have too many people in
this country that are here illegally and they don't have
insurance and they just go to the emergency room and

(24:43):
they use that as their primary care physician, and they
have no intention of paying for it.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
I was told at IHD.

Speaker 8 (24:49):
And this is an old number and they may contest
it now, but they told me when I was in
Congress that we as Utahns pay fifteen percent more to
deal with those people going into care. Now, we're going
to be compassionate, but they should be getting a bill
and they should be paying for this. And maybe there's
some catastrophic and they can't. But why should you and

(25:10):
me and everybody who's trying to do things right pay
fifteen percent more because these guys, you know, somebody came
across illegally, didn't get insurance and then suddenly has the
sniffles and it wants to go to an emergency room.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
So let me ask you this, if we're just you know,
spitball on which we are, and I love doing this.
So right now, the federal gument is just with like
dump trucks, dumping money into a foot into a failed system. Okay,
So could they instead with these healthcare savings accounts, seed
those healthcare savings accounts and put it directly to the

(25:44):
patient so that you have the direct you know, the
person paying being the one who's receiving the care. As
you pointed out, that's where you align the interests very well.
So it's not just what you're able to deduct or
say from your own taxes or your own income. But
would it even make sense for if the federal gumans
going to spend anything in this space that they're seating
accounts for Americans taxpayers where they would have this account

(26:06):
that would be restricted only for healthcare use and have
that be what grows and doesn't expire at the end
of the year, but could grow over year over year.
Is that Is that an idea or am I being
a socialist here?

Speaker 4 (26:17):
No?

Speaker 8 (26:18):
No, I think it's an idea, but you you have
to combine it with some other things like maximizing transparency. Hell,
I mean, we've been talking about transparency for decades. Right,
never happens and there should be a Hey, here's how
much it cost if you pay insurance, but here's how
much it costs if.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
You just pay cash today, because.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
There's there's a lot. Again, the principle is align your
financial incentives and you get the results that you want.
But there's it's so opaque, and these benefit managers that
are called and the hospitals and everything else they make
out like bandits. They seem to be doing well. The
insurance companies make a fortune and under it's been the

(27:01):
biggest windfall for healthcare insures that there possibly can be.
So there's a reason why they're making so much money.
I don't mind anybody making money. I want the doctors
to make money. I want the hospital to make money.
But there needs to be transparency. So there's some competition
along the way.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, that would be nice competition in the healthcare system.
By the way, before we got Jason on the air,
we asked him if he's got a busy couple of
weeks going. He said, everybody of Fox News is leaving.
So he said, you'll see a lot of me on
Fox for the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
For the same reason we're gonna have that. You know,
we're gonna have holiday program in the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Read Jason.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Maybe Jason wants to do the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
I think he's probably busy with you. Yeah, think he's
doing the Fox. I think got the Fox. It's a
step down from the Rod and Greg Show. But it's
pretty imptant, I know. I mean, you know, everyone can't
be on the Rod and Gregg Show. So if you can't,
I guess Fox this is your next besta we get
it options all right, more coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show, coming up in the five o'clock hours.
Greg and I have been talking about we'll be all
for a couple of weeks and there'll be days where

(27:57):
we get a little bored. I know, you can entertain.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yourself, well, you always know when I've got too much
time on hands, because I'll send a giant, long text
to you, ranting about whatever's going on that we're not
able to kind of Oh that is so true. Yeah,
we're not here to talk about it, so someone's got
to hear it. I send it to you.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know there are you do have other people out
there you can send it to.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Your silence is deafening too. When I do that, he
don't even reply back. Well, I'm just like I could
open up a window and yell it. It would be
the same reaction as I'm getting from him.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
We may have an issue this with this in the
coming weeks. We're going to need your help to figure
all of this out. We need some suggestions. Well, we'll
explain what we're talking about here in a few minutes,
if that made any sense Mett Romney. As written in
op ed piece in the New York Times, Matt apparently
was bored and didn't have anything to do, so he says, uh,

(28:51):
you know, we need higher texts on the rich because
we're headed for a cliff if we don't do something
about Social Security.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, raise taxes, raise the retirement age.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Look, well, you know I don't. I think I'm fifty six.
I'll say it. I'm not ashamed of it, and I'd
say that today's fifty six was yesterday's. It's the new forties.
I'd say, you know, my mom was in her fifties
and she seemed way more elderly to me as a kid.
But I will say that, you know, there might be
some sense in that. But everybody knows in politics that
if you start talking that way, it's a that you

(29:25):
give the Democrats. You can put a bow on it,
that they're just going to demonize the daylights out of you.
You never win another race because they don't know how
to run anything they do. They'll just say they want
to take away your social Security, even if you're talking
about the one year olds that were just born. They're
going to do that. But I think these ideas are stale.
We've heard them one hundred thousand times. And if there
isn't someone of wealth and resources that doesn't have tax
attorneys and accountants to deduct and remove any liability from

(29:49):
their tax burn every year, they of course they do.
So when he when the Democrats or Romney say tax
the rich, it sounds well great, it's like tax, don't
tax me, don't tax the tax the guy behind in
the tree.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
But it's not real. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Nothing is stopping mit from paying more in taxes. If
he wants to give the government more money to do
with it what it wants, he wouldn't it be.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Interesting to see his return see how many deductions and
things he tries to avoid tax.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Prom They aren't loopholes, they're cabes. Yes, all right, nour
number two Rod at Greg, stay with us. We'll talk
to you coming down.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
It's a great hour of our radio program.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So we're gonna relax. We aren't gonna talk. Well, we'll
talk whatever you want to talk about it. I'm talking
to our listeners right, not what Greg wants to talk.
He talks more and stuff. But we'll talk about whatever
is on your mind. But this idea came to me, Greg.
We're going to be off for the next two weeks. Yes, Now,
there'll be certain days. Now you're a guy who you're
kind of like the ever ready buddy. Yeah, I'm the

(30:50):
energizer bunny. But I like to watch TV and movies.
Yeah I can do that alright. Long, So if we
get bored for the next two weeks. You know, is
there some a tear TV series that our great listeners
would recommend that we would enjoy watching current or past?
Don't give me anything from Hallmark? No, no, non Hallmark.

(31:12):
Are you talking like it can be packed? It could
be a current one, you know, because there are some
good ones out there.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yes, I know, I've so I have from my from
a young age to now different you know, seasons of
my life where there were TV shows I loved. If
I go back, you know, a long time ago, I
loved Archie Bunkers All in the Family. I love that show.
I love the Jeffersons, I love watching that. I love
watching the Now. This I didn't watch live like on

(31:43):
primetime TV. These were reruns at the time, so around,
you know, like to sick after the news or something. Anyway,
The Odd Couple with TV and Felix Hunger and Oscar Madison,
the TV show there's a thirty minute comedy that the.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Well you know why you liked itad why you relate to.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oscar one hundred percent? That one was my spirit animal.
I'm like, I thought, I actually loved that show as
a kid so much. I thought maybe I'm supposed to
be a sport writer, sports writer like Oscar Madison, because
everything else seems to match up perfectly well.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
But there are some great series out there, you know
what I love now about there are some channels that
are dedicated to just running old TV shows.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
How about Bubba Black Sheep? What Yeah, Black Sheep, Squadron,
Robert Conrad, Robert Conry remember this? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Oh I love that show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
That was based on a true story that Peppy Peppy
Bellington was a.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Real It was a real world War two heroes.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah. Did you like the A Team?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Love the A Team?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Mister I'm mister you it what you know what? You
were just too old even back then to like it.
I was in fourth grade and I loved it. It
was the greatest show. Mister t was thet.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
It'd be the same thing every week. They take some vehicle,
fix it up and blow things up. I mean, animal
loved it.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
When a plan came together, you know, and he and
the A Team face Murdoch. Yeah, ba Barracas. That's bad attitude, Barracus.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
That was mister t. Oh you had all. Yeah, it
was such a good show. I love that show. I
love that show.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So we are looking for people's suggestions today. Now, some
of these, some of these we haven't watched. We watch
a lot of series. You and I we kind of
watched TV. You know, we get eradyent occasionally get a
discussion of any new series that they may have found
that they think are pretty good. And you know, we are.
We need help from our very good listeners because we
don't want to get bored.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
No, no, And look, I think there's some really good shows.
There's some good shows that were out there that I
wasn't watching when they were even more recent, like The
Americans that.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Was on FX.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Now i've heard that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Seven seasons. I didn't like the whole premise at all. Yes,
I'm actually into that show. But what's great is they
have like I don't know, thirteen or I can't remember
how many episodes, but seven seasons, you got quite the
log of shows to watch. I never watched it before
because I hate it. It takes place in the eighties, which
I love, but I just didn't like the idea that
you had these embedded Russian spies that were in the Washington,

(34:06):
DC area looking to, you know, make trouble for the Americans.
It seemed like something that I would. It would just
annoy me every time, and I wouldn't like it. I
actually really liked that show.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, well, Kevin Costner made a movie about that. Yeah,
the name, I can't remember the name of that movie.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh it's so good because the cliffhanger is in the
last fifteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, you don't know if he's a Russian plant And
you're saying, did he know?

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Did he?

Speaker 1 (34:31):
It was he? I can't remember the name of the movie. Yeah,
it was one of his early movies because he looks
like he's twelve in it if you see it on TV.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Now, So that so this? Yeah, so that show, but
the Americans was seven seas I like that. I can
go back in time to in different like again, different seasons.
I liked in the nineties. I love friends, I love er,
I loved.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So you and I have talked about Kojak love It,
Hill Street Blues love It. What was the other one
who were talking abo?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I like Starsky and hutch Man. That was that was
my show.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I love Starsky and hutch and YPD Blues, Striped Tomato.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And why p D and White Blue.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
We're good.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
So maybe we go back to old channels, just call
up those old shows and sit there and veg for
two weeks and watching some of these old shows. You know,
there are good new ones out there too.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I went to Apple TV and I bought the seasons
of Miami Vice so I can watch that.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, you're into Miami. I love that shoah. So I
so you want to beat Sunny Crockett, don't you?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I think he had an awesome life. Actually, I actually
in daytream about how they would do like where those
guys are today. They're all retired, you know, and they
would just come back for an union show.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Don Johnson has had a fairly successful career. He really
has the other guy's kind of like disappeared. He did
like some Psychic Network.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah yeah, but you know at that show, I saw
the first few seasons or a couple of seasons, but
then I was in high school, like junior senior in
high school, and it was a Friday night show, so
I missed it, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
So when I was a little younger, I loved that show,
and then I kind of grew out of it because
I was busy. So I'm those last episode when I
get to those seasons on on Apple TV. I'm going
to be really excited because I've never seen them. So
but you know, as a kid, I love Dukes of Hazzard.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
You you man, I watched.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Your selection of some shows is really questionable. I was
a kid then Dukes of Hazzard. What other silly show
did you watch?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Oh night, I watched night Rider. That was a good show.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I can't his car.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I kind of got into night Rider. I like that car.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, I loved all those shows I did. I and look,
I can keep going up to today the shows I like.
But I do like watching TV. I do, and I
actually miss. There used to be twenty two episodes a year.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
They don't do that.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
They used to the last one to be in the
season finale. It happened in May, and then you have
the summer off, and then starting fall when school started
back up, you had all the brand new season premieres.
They did twenty two episodes. They you know, nowadays TV
they have eight episodes or ten.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
It's going to say, like, what is it land Man,
the new hot one? They did what eight episodes first season?
About eight? I think they'll do in the second season. Yes,
you have some of these that are eight shows that
you know, you catch it, you go maybe and maybe
that's the thinking behind it. They come up with them.
You know. Some that I like that I look for
constantly are British detective shows.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Oh yeah, like Looser Very I liked.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
There was one called Dank d c I Banks, which
is really really good.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
What was the one I watched? It was?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
There's one on now called Slow Horses.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Is that British?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, that's British. Uh whom I I thinking. I can't
remember the name of the lead actor in that. But
you know the I think British detective shows are pretty
good and there are really good ones on there.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
There was a period piece and I want to say
it was called Ripper Street and it.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Was oh, I you know, what is that about Jack
the Ripper?

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well it was it was around that time.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
He's part of that storyline, but not the only part
of that storyline. I'm trying to find. Yeah, so anyway,
that so that show I think it was called Ripper Street. Anyway,
that was a really good That was a good series
as well, a British series, detective series.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
But it was a period piece.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Again, it was in that time around Jack the Ripper
and around that that same time.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
But that was that was good.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
What's the one that people keep on suggesting to you
that neither one of neither of us have watched, but
we're being told this is a detective store or a
crime series that you have to watch. Is it? What
is it? The Wire?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yes? The Wire?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I never watched that, but everybody, every one of those
friends that Sai, I can't believe you haven't seen that, Hughes,
because you would love The Wire. I've never it was
an HBO series. I've never watched it, but I've heard
great reviews about it. The one I'm talking about was
Ripper Street. It was it came out in twenty twelve,
that had five seasons, and the guy that plays the
lead and that he ended up being in that recent

(38:51):
show Succession. He was in that show, played a totally
different guy American in that show.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
But I've never watched. And the other one that a
lot of people tell me about it is it billionaire
or billionaires?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Billionaire? Is it billionaire? Billions? It was billillions? Maybe that
was it?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
That was That's interesting show? Watch that, But yeah, I
you know what, I don't know. I again, I haven't
found the one show that I would love to rewatch
would be the would be the Black Sheep Squadron.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
They called it Bubba blackshep.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I think the first season, second season Shoving Forward, Black
Chef Squadron, Robert Conrad's the Place, Patrick Boomington and there
I've seen on social media people talk refer to how
great that series was. I've not found a way to
watch it. I would love to watch that show, but
you can't find it. I can't find it, No, I can't.
So if our listeners know what that show is or

(39:43):
knows have a way to watch it, just give me
the life hack.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I'm ready for it.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Well, we're looking for Our listeners are great, they're very knowledgeable.
Uh fun to listen to. Love to hear from them. Now,
if you've got a suggestion for Greg and I so
we don't.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Get bored, here's one that you're at gonna find anywhere.
But as a little kid, I loved it BJ and
the Bear. I love that show. Well, it was the
truck driver and the and the bear was there, the
chimpanzee that was his it was his wingman.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
You were You are considerably younger than I am, and
you did, and you did watch some silly shows in
the eighties.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
You know what, though, if you looked at the Nielsen ratings,
I think this whole society has aged with me because
everything that was Duke was like number one show in America.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Why because you're a spoil sport.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Because everyone loved Duke's Hazard's Boss, Hog.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Boss, you know, same for Train. All right, we'll get
to your daisy Duke seven eight zero one zero.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
You can come in on the silliness of mister Hughes's
selections or my more intelligent selections, the programs.

Speaker 8 (40:51):
That I like.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Jack, that's what he likes.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Ay Dight eight five seven eight zero one zero eight
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We'll get to your calls and comments coming out in
an effort to keep Greg and I from getting bored
over the next two weeks. And we like to watch TV.

(41:15):
We like interesting TV series. Is there a series out
there that you'd recommend we should watch?

Speaker 4 (41:20):
That?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Easy? Right, yep.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
And we have the smart listening audio.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
We know the land and it's kind of a you know,
we're trying to land the plane, so we're just kind
of chilling out. It's not going to be all drama,
and you can't just be urgently upset every minute of
every day.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
And we aren't upset every day.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
I'm never upset, but I do rant.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Oh really, let's go to the phones. Matt is in
Kanash tonight listening to the Rod and Greg Show. Hi, Matt,
how are you hey?

Speaker 6 (41:44):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
We share?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeap, we got you.

Speaker 10 (41:48):
Well, thanks to you, guys. I will be in withdrawal
for two weeks because I'm hopelessly addicted to the four
o'clock to seven o'clock slot and a couple of shows
that I really like is Boss Been Legal, where Captain
Kirk was introduced to James Spader on That Shoe and
then James Spader on the Blacklist, where he's like an

(42:10):
international spy and he's got dirt on everybody and nobody
dares arrested.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Him because all hell will break list Reddington. So yeah,
Raymonddington sitting.

Speaker 10 (42:23):
Back off and everybody that ever did him any wrong
and he's just a good spy.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
He's like an anti here. Oh no, I am with you.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
He's a criminal, international criminal, but he's like, it's all payback.
Blacklist is a great show. James Spader is brilliant in
that role.

Speaker 10 (42:42):
For the last For the last year, I've been doing
the Dicks Recovery at night with the Miller County Jail inmates,
and so I've learned a few things about addiction and
I will definitely be in withdrawal.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Matt. We'll be back. We'll be back, Matt, and I would.

Speaker 10 (43:00):
Love to subscribe you guys.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
All right, Matt, thank you. That's a very nice compliment.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Very nice.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I realized, folks, we will be back.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Yeah, you know what. I'm glad that our listeners later.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
You know, I used to feel this way with a
lot of the syndications I used to listen to every
day when they went on vacation. I thought, I feel
the same way that Matt's just described. But I love
the listeners because match is hit on two great shows,
and I thought that Spader and William Shatner. I thought
that that there rapport and the dialogue in that Boston
Legal was really good too.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
That's a good show.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
My oldest son and his wife are constantly getting after me. Dad,
You've got take them in and watch Blacklist. You will
love this show.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I never have James Spader I think is good in
that show.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Never had all. Right, back to the phones in Arizona.
Scott is calling us tonight on the Rod and Greig Show.
Hi Scott, how are you welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Well, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 11 (43:56):
Rod.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I met you one time at our mutual friend Paul
Swinson's flag shop.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
I was the two thousand and seventeen person to tell
you have great pipes his voice. That was a long
time ago. But Greg, I just love you guys and
how you've teamed up and you're not fighting or anything

(44:26):
like that. I just took a job down here in
Arizona and.

Speaker 12 (44:33):
Blah blah.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Black Sheep was one of my favorite shows as well,
and also the old show Combat that some of you
might have groped like I did.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
So is there a way to watch Boba Blacks Go?

Speaker 7 (44:50):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
I used to watch it almost religiously when I'm seventy
four years old. So and kind of shaking because I'm
so excited to tell you this news. But I just
looked up just out of curiosity because you can find
combat on there. You just put combat and then S
one uh e one and if if you're right to

(45:15):
the first episode it worked for it worked for Bob
Bab Black Sheep as well.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
That's on YouTube. Is that on YouTube?

Speaker 4 (45:25):
YouTube?

Speaker 11 (45:26):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (45:26):
And there are one hundred and sixty one episodes that
are going to mess your.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Life up, Scott.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
This is my Christmas tree. This is my Christmas gift.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Early more north of one hundred episodes of Baba Black
Sheep Black Sheep Squadron.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I know.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I am on a hiatus. I'm going to go home
tonight starting a marathon.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
All right, Brandon tonight, He's got an idea for us. Hi, Brandon,
how are you.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Pretty good?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
We're doing well, thank you.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
I that's good. Hey.

Speaker 8 (46:02):
I think you guys should try Tuscan King with Sylvester
Saloon or that Lincoln Lawyer series that they've had going
on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
You know what I have watched. I have watched Tulsa King,
but I have watched Lincoln Lawyer. And when does the
is it on their fourth season? Do you know when
that's coming back, Brandon, because I think I've watched the
other two or three seasons.

Speaker 8 (46:23):
I don't know exactly when the series.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
I think it starts, like, yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
It's a really good series. It's a good series.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I've seen, I've seen it. I've watch I watched, I've
watched every episode of everyone he's talked about. February fifth
for Lincoln Lawyers. And I'm telling you this that that's
Sylvester Stallone Tulsa King. I they were they do that,
they really said. They don't just give you all the
episodes in one drop. They do it every week. That's like,
I watch it every week. I love that show. Sylvester

(46:54):
Sloan said, doing a series is hard. It's like it's
like multiple movies back to back because of how long
you know, how many episodes are doing. But anyway, I
love that show. I love Tulsa King and I loved
I love Lincoln Lawyer. Both great shows.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
You know what I didn't I haven't realized and I
haven't watched Tulsa King. Maybe some clips here and there
of it. Sylvester salone is short.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Where have you been short? You know what?

Speaker 8 (47:16):
He?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
First off, the man's got enough bravado. He may as
will be ten feet tall. Don't mess with Sylvester Stallone,
sly Stallone was a He's a god amongst men.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
That guy's rocky Rocky.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Two three four, which just looks short to me.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
No, you're just jealous, you know, just told jealousy thing
about you shouldn't even share that. No, I love Stallone.
I loved all the Stallone movies of the eighties. I
love Sylvester Stallone. I like Tulsa King. I think it's
a great show. They're gonna do a spinoff Samuel L. Jackson.
Samuel Jackson's gonna do. I think it's gonna be the
New Orleans or Nolan's King. Oh really, so he was

(47:52):
at the tail end of this last seasons of Tulsa King,
and he's gonna They're gonna do what I'm told, They're
gonna have a a spinoff series with him.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Lincoln Lawyer series is good and it's coming out in February.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
That's gonna be a fun one. Greg should watch.

Speaker 13 (48:06):
And I know Rod you'll agree with me because you've
seen it all too is Bosh.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yes, yeah, you watch.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
I've watched Bosh. Yes, I've watched Donny Ray.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Is it done?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
It is done?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yep, the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
So the series, and he retired from being a detective
and they had another couple seasons like.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Bosh legacy with his daughter who was a police officer.
If there's a spin off now called Ballard now I
can't get into that one any good saying good? Yeah,
I watched the first season. It's pretty good.

Speaker 13 (48:32):
And Bosh is actually in about five of the episodes.
Oh wow, okay, okay, maybe.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I check that.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I like.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
All right, more of your calls, more your thoughts. You're
on the Rod and Greg Show. In this thank Rod
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Speaker 2 (48:54):
I will too, And Rod's going to be the subject
of my text and rants because I will have you
to talk to folks. But but yeah, I do enjoy
our daily conversation. I think it's just the best.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Love talking to our great listeners as well. Speaking of that,
let's hear from another one of our listeners on our
talk back.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Line, Brian from Augden.

Speaker 12 (49:15):
Here.

Speaker 11 (49:15):
One show that is really fun to watch is Resident Alien.
You can find it on Netflix, Yes, Peacawk. It's a
good laugh, short episodes. Alan Tutic is amazing, So that's
when you can add to your holiday watch list.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
E Ray has been talking about that he loved that.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Show one hundred.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I can't believe I didn't even mention it that the
guy that plays the alien that's kind of incognito a human,
but he's so awkward. The acting is amazing because he
you think it is an alien like he does. He
acts like an alien trying to be a human, and
then he'll anyway. That show the Great Caller, Great Observation,
Resident Alien, high recommendation.

Speaker 13 (49:55):
There's some one liners on that show are absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
All Right, I've got a question for you too. What
movie did he did he have a roll in?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I have no idea was he in?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Don't tell me, I know what it is?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Oh darn all right, what is it?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I think he was in Dodgeball? Yes he was.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Well, when you see him in Who Was an Alien?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
He was slumming it in Dodgeball because this guy's got
a range of acting that is unreal about that storylines
in there that that kind of bugged me. I will
admit I fast forward through certain storylines because I don't
really care about the woman that is from the diner
and all of her or the downhill tender. There was
a few, there was some other aliens that enter into

(50:41):
the storyline, but yeah, that bartender woman in her anyway,
I would fast forward through a lot of those storylines.
But the guy, the alien. There's nothing funnier than that
show that shows brilliant.

Speaker 13 (50:51):
I won't give it away, and I can't really say
it on the radio, but the best scene in that
whole series, Greg is when he's hitting on the woman
at the bar and the other women come over and
interrupt him.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
There is one liner there.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yes, yes, it's a family show. We want it's a
it's a that's I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I didn't say it has to do with aque.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
So okay, so uh great suggestions from our listeners. I'll
tell you what we've got to. We've gotta I got
a message for a for Baba Black Sheep. I could
get it on it's in a d Mars, yes, my
dear friend. Uh uh message. I can get the box
set for the DVD. But I'm gonna go to that
you too. I'm gonna check it out. Any other talkbacks there,

(51:37):
Rod we have any other ones? Okay, yeah, I I
all these are great suggestions, and I will be taking
advantage of those.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Real quick, real quick. You're you're scanning through the channels.
There's a show that comes on and you just have
to stop and watch it.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah, Big Olebowski. I love that comedy. I never watched
I don't what phase someone.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
I love that. I love that comedy. That thing makes
me laugh.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
So every time I watch it, I've watched it so
many times the way you've described, I'll be paging through.
I won't proactively, and it's just stopping one. If it's on,
I have to watch. It's so funny, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
It's it's quirky humor, but it's isn't that where the
dude came from? Yeah, that's the dude or dude or
whatever it was.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
It.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I've never wont Jeff Lebowski. He's the dude.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, you can call himdude to Reno, you know, you know, Yeah,
if you're into the prohle brevity thing, you can call
him anyway.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, it's a it's a brilliant show.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
All right, Another hour coming your way on this Friday night.
Coming up, we'll talk about the gender divide in the
country today and that's kind of ruining things for us.
Coming yes, we'll get into that and our listen Back
Friday segments coming up, as well as another full hour
of the Rod and Greg Show coming up with for
you here on Talk Radio one oh five nine can

(52:50):
Arrest more coming up. All right, we've got a lot
to get to this hour. We're going to be talking
about how the gender divide. The number of women who
now have college degrees far out paces the number of

(53:11):
men who do. And that's just one of the issues
that we'll talk about with Joel Kotkin that's coming up
here in a little bit. We'll also talk about the
housing burden. We'll take it a look at what's going
on in Canada and the same thing is starting to
happen here. And our listen Back Fighting segments coming up,
including conversation with Mike Kennedy, who's still getting a lot
of heat for that vote in the House on transgender surgeries.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
This is the moral dilemma.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
After speaking with Congressman Canada yesterday, does he play a
game he knows is no more than a game just
so that he's not on the wrong side. He's not
voting with the Democrats, but he knows that the bill. A,
you wouldn't want it to pass because it has some
things that it would harmer state. But b it will
never pass because there's not sixty votes in the Senate.
But on political pageantry, you would look like you're on
the right side, so you wouldn't take unnecessary flat Do

(53:53):
you play that game or do you go with what
you know? And you know that that bill is pageantry
and it doesn't have the substance. He went with the
I know better than to vote for this bill. But boy,
I'll tell you what perception can be reality in politics.
And he's really getting it for that. But I think
that's the thing. If he did anything wrong, he didn't
play a game that I would argue too many.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, that's for sure. Well, joining us right now is
Joel Cotgan. Joel is a presidential Fellow at Chapman University.
Always could have Joel on the show. Joe, you wrote
an article that got our attention the other day how
the gender divide is really changing America. What do you
see taking place out there in America when it comes
to the gender divide well.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Right now, we have this problem which I think if
you're a parent or teacher you get very aware of it.
Is men and women are not getting along very well,
and they seem to be you know, the amount of
dating is way down, obviously marriage is down, and there
seems to be almost a creation of almost two different

(54:54):
races of people. Now it's not it's not as evident
in some areas. Obviously universities which are you know, the
leading centers of lunacy are probably the worst. But but
I think that there's a there's a real problem. On
the good side, women are making tremendous progress. They are

(55:16):
actually in some senses now more than equal uh in
many areas, particularly if we go to the younger cohorts.
But on the other hand, I think that we we
we have we have a real problem because it's great
that women rise, but if men fall and women rise,
you're gonna have a hard time of putting them together again.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
You know, this is this didn't sneak up on us.
Some of us watch these rates of graduation getting a
college degree between the genders men and women, and saw
that there would be a time where women will be
maybe more successful getting degrees a higher frequency than men,
maybe earning even maybe you're earning more because of that,
And we wondered what would happen then, what would what

(56:01):
would the world look like? The big question being would
we still argue there's a glass ceiling? Would there still
be discrimination? And where a lot of the narratives that
we've heard in the past about the feminist movement do
they still apply given the advantage that women have frankly
in academia and getting degrees.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Well, I think I think certainly. Well, I mean the
I think there certainly are a lot of women who
are advancing. And you know, I think the glass ceiling
in some ways is almost in reverse because there are
now many institutions where women are are already pretty dominant.

(56:39):
I mean I was even talking to my rabbi who
just graduated a couple of years ago, and he said
he was the only strip white male in his rabbinical class.
I mean, so what you have is you have women
certainly taking over positions of authority and you and.

Speaker 7 (56:59):
And of course as men advance and men don't advance
as much as women, then many women will say, well,
I can't find a man I want to marry because you.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
Know, they're all, you know, somehow less qualified than I am. Now,
I don't think this is happening quite as much outside
of the university and particularly the elite university level. I
think there's still more common sense further down, and also
in the blue collar world. It's still the skill people

(57:31):
with skills who get pretty good pay. Who are you
marrying women? They're probably not marrying women who are necessarily
you know, PhDs in gender studies.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Joe, Why did men have to take a step back
to allow women to make progress? What happened?

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Well, I think we got into this whole weird, you know,
sort of DEI world, but long before DEI affirmative action world,
in which we decide that certain groups who had historically
not done as well had to be compensated for. So
I'm look, I'm seventy two years old, and I remember
in my twenties being told by people we're not hiring

(58:14):
white males. Well, you know the bad part about that.
One of the bad part is, well, a lot of
I mean, I was able to do okay over time,
but you know, I'm sure for a lot of males,
particularly white males, I think, well, nobody wants us, and
so you get this. So whereas you find women tending

(58:35):
this is a big part of the piece tending towards
the left. Well, a lot of young men are tending
towards the right because they feel that, particularly young white men,
but also Hispanic men as well, who feel that they've
become sort of on persons or you know, as they
used to say in the Soviet Union, former persons. But

(58:57):
what I'm hoping is, and I again, and you know,
I have two daughters, so I think about this, you know,
I think in the future, and I think increasingly some
young women in particular saying I don't know if I
like this. You know, my you know, my friends who
are forty five and never got married or never had kids,

(59:18):
never found a partner. Are they really that happy? You know,
there's this whole sort of culture that, well, you'll be
happier if you're on your own. I don't think that.
I don't think that's true. I think the data doesn't
support that. We know that the best solution would be
for men and women to get together on the basis

(59:40):
of equality and how each household decides how they allok
at because you know, I mean, I mean, you know,
I have friends who their wives are investment bankers and
their academics, and you know who makes more money. But
but but they decided, you know, this is a good exchange.
I mean, I think this idea that that people have

(01:00:02):
to be categorized in terms of their professions by their
ethnicity or their agenda is a is a huge mistake.
And and I think that the the key thing is
we have to figure out a way to repair this,
because if we don't repair it, then we're going to
be in very big trouble. You know, obviously demographic trouble,

(01:00:24):
but also you think of kids growing up with the
ones who are out there who don't have fathers or
don't have an involved mother. That's kind of put an
enormous burden on it on a young person. And then
and then we really have to think about what motivates people.
I mean I think that, I mean, I think many
the listeners could relate to this. If if you're working,

(01:00:46):
you know, you're not really working for yourself. I don't
you know, I'm not a particularly materialistic person. I drive
an old car. I don't you know, it doesn't you know,
I don't I don't work so I can have babbles.
You know, the biggest motivation I have is to support,
you know, my family, and to make sure that my
kids get whatever it is they need and that and

(01:01:10):
that they thrive. And and I think that if you
take that that sort of thing that drove humanity throughout
history and you just get rid of it, it's going
to have ground vacations that are not very plus.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
On our newsmaker line, Joel Kutkin, he is with Chapman
University talking about the gender divide and things are changing
and maybe they're going back to where they used to. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I just think it's a riot that that there was
this big push that they we knew that was coming.
There'd be more women getting bachelor degrees, college degrees and
men and then you hear, you know, there's not a
man worth Mary, and there's no tough guys out there anymore.
The women are run on the show and many sass
in many fields and now they can't find a guy
that you know, take care of them and raised helps

(01:01:53):
project the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
They'll they'll nurture the kids. The man protects them itself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Mutual of Omaha's Wild World Time Kingdom, Animal Kingdom.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
That's all it is. It's not a political opinion. It's nature.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
So you're saying marriage is wild Kingdom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It is very much the instinctive, innate cohabitation. It is
not something that you academically figure out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
No, you can't. You just gotta make you work if
you can't. All right, we've got more coming up. We'll
talk about the housing crunch on the Friday evening edition
of the Rotting Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine can arrests.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
That's right. Holiday programming next week.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, great holiday programming for my hard talk. So we
appreciate read and data filling in for us next week.
All right. You know the housing shortage in this country, Greg,
and a lot of people are saying the huge influx
of illegal immigrants into this country has really damaged the
housing market. Do you believe that. I mean, that's most
people are saying, and if you look at the numbers,
it's hard to disagree with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I think, and I know from the business sector, just
from people that I know that are that build apartments
or that they are in this development side, that's not
as good of a market to be building multi family
homes right now. Because I think we're stable in terms
of vacancy rates or occupancy rates. Much of that, I
would argue, really turned around after Trump was elected, and
there's a lot of self deportations and enforcement of federal

(01:03:10):
law in regards to immigration that's happening, and that I
think is loosening up supply well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about the
housing crunch and how unchecked immigration has impacted it is
Peter Copland. He's deputy director of Domestic Policy at the
McDonald Institute. Peter, thanks for joining us tonight. What do
you see happening out there as far as the housing
crunch is concerned and unchecked illegal immigration?

Speaker 12 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I think it's fair to say we're quite comparable
with respect to our economic situations as well as the
patterns and immigration changes. Over time, the US has had
more undocumented migrants crossing over land and other borders, but

(01:03:54):
Canada also has that problem. Ours is coming more so
from having a more lenient and kind of accepting immigration system,
So people are overstaying their their vitas, whether that's work
visas or or student visas. And we also have a

(01:04:18):
relatively lack of pylum process. So Canada has in recent
years shot to the top among pure nations as a
desired spot for migrants to play with Asyland.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
You know, in Utah, we've all housing costs are very high,
some of the highest in the country, and scarcity, there's
a there's obviously a scarcity there. But let me ask you,
we've have NGOs, We've had a silent you know, refugee
services that have placed many many people over it, certainly
over the Biden administration into multi family apartments, making that

(01:04:57):
sector of housing almost impossible to get into, our very
defensive to get into. But now that we're seeing some
self deportation and even we're seeing some of that change,
do you think that we'll see a better, more affordable
housing situation here in the state of Utah if we
see people self deport unless people being brought in by

(01:05:18):
NGOs into the state of Utah as has been done
in the past.

Speaker 12 (01:05:23):
Yeah, I think generally speaking we can expect to see
This is what I argue in the article. As we know,
as you alluded to, the primary affordability issues are related
to lack of supply, and that comes from a conference
of factors, successive regulations in the US, impact fees and
Canada Development charges that are higher and higher proportion of

(01:05:46):
the cost. But both countries have experienced significant influxes in immigration,
both legal and illegal, and particularly I looked that in
this article the effects on population, the decline a reduction

(01:06:10):
in the number of non permanent residents in Canada and
its effect on housing, and you find that non permanent
residents they show up very significantly in the rental housing market,
and we've seen since Canada reduced the number of non
permanent residents declines across our major cities where the housing

(01:06:34):
issues are most acute as a result, and there's some
data in the US to suggest that immigration does have
an effect on the price of housing, both both permanent
stock and rental housing, and it also affects the cost
of housing and surrounding areas. So the article focus mostly

(01:06:58):
on the situation in Canada, but the parallels are such
and there's there's good reason to think that you would
see the same sort of results in the US. There
is one caveat, which is that there are a number
of significant number of migrants in the construction sector in

(01:07:21):
both Canada and the US, and that's a reason to
be a bit cautious and imprudent and how you go
about the changing the numbers over time, because that can
affect housing supply as well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Peter, it sounds like you you alluded to this a
moment ago. But much of the challenges in is concentrated
in the urban areas. We have about a four or
five county area along the Watsat Front here in Salt
Lake City and area where it seems like everybody wants
to live here and that's causing the housing shortages and
the prices to go up. You're saying the same thing
that's happening in Canada, is that right?

Speaker 12 (01:07:58):
Yeah, And what we're seeing is that urban areas are
the desired locations for migrants, and that makes sense. It
tends to be where he asked bora communities congregate and yeah,
so we see the effects in terms of rental prices

(01:08:20):
in particular when it comes to non permanent residents, but
there's also a ripple effect on surrounding communities increasing the
price of permanent softcoms.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Peter Copeland with a McDonalds Institute talking about the housing burden.
All right, when we come back our listen back Friday
segments for you coming up here on the Routing Greg Show,
and Utah's talk radio one oh five nine k n
R S. We had mentioned this earlier in the show.
Mike Kennedy, congressman from Utah's third congressional district. Just love Mike.
He's a great guy, doing some great things in Washington.
But surprise both Greg and I. What was it was

(01:08:57):
just yesterday when we saw that he was one of
only four republic that voted against a bill that barred
transgender surgeries on miners. When we went, what's that all about?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Well, and I'll come clean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Absent Mike Kennedy's name on those four Republicans vote voting no,
I would have been joining the course of condemnation. My
pitchfork and my torch were well in the up, both hands.
I was so angry, But when I saw Mike's name,
it made me pause and say, well, no, wait a minute.
I know this guy, and I know how much he
did in the state of Utah to stop this very thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
So something's up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
And so I just told people, I think I will
get the congressman on the show. He came on the show,
walked through what the circumstances were. We think it's important
enough to share again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah, on our list back Friday segment. Here's our conversation
with Utah Congressman Mike Kennedy talking about his vote on
transgender surgeries for minors.

Speaker 14 (01:09:44):
Yeah, especially after in twenty twenty three, I passed the
landmark legislation of ban these procedures transgender surgery as well
as cross sex hormones and pub blockers in the state
of Utah. So we had a great piece of legislation.
And one of the things to think about it's really
important is that when the FED step in and Greg
you know this very well, everybody else is forced out.

(01:10:05):
So we've got twenty six states that have passed robusts,
well thought out legislation, including the state of Utah that's
actually working. In the case of our legislation, the transgender
clinical the University of Utah has finished, it's done. It's
left the state many of these offices that we're operating
a wild West on our children in the form of

(01:10:26):
procedure as well as puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.
These people have left the state and our effective legislation
after countless hours of myself and the state legislature working
through this in a well reasoned fashion that we accomplished
a significant goal. And the other thing I'll give to
you and those that are listening is we have not
had any litigation on what we passed because it's sound,

(01:10:51):
it is locked up, it's well thought out legislation. So
on the counter to this, and that's where this bill
on the surface might seem like an easy and I
have a deep respect for my colleagues working through this,
and yeah, let's approve of that policy to put doctors
in jail if they're doing these kind of procedures and

(01:11:12):
cross sex hormones and things. But the issue that we're
running into here is that this legislation was forced by
Marjorie Taylor Green in a vote trade on some level
to get leadership to put this on the floor. So
a vote that we took a week or two ago,
she would vote in favor of whatever was before her.
So this is a rush piece of legislation that is

(01:11:35):
actually bypassing normal process and did not give the proper
time to vet and consider. And I'll go back to
the fundamental policy that when the Feds move in, it
better be good policy because otherwise everybody else is forced
out when we step into these areas and in this case,
I don't believe this so well thought out bill. It
doesn't accomplish what we need to accomplish. It's never going

(01:11:57):
to be seen in the Senate. It's a message bill,
and Greg knows all too well those message bills that
are never going to be heard on the other side
of the body. The bicameral nature of this place is
the Senate's not going to hear this. But secondarily, there's
a lot of definitions in here about what is a man,
what is a woman? And are those definitions going to
hold to court scrutiny, because once the judges get it,

(01:12:19):
they can turn this into a constitutional privilege, and we
might like gay marriage, we might get the exact opposite
of what we intend is gay marriage. Was we passed
laws to protect marriage, and then the judges got to
handle on that and they started. Judges defined marriage and
Supreme Court affirmed it and now became the law of land.
So we really need to be careful before the Feds
get too deeply into these really difficult issues that we confront.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
So Congressman here, I have two questions. But bottom line,
the first question is you would argue that what you
passed in the state legislature in twenty twenty three does
more to prevent the mutilation of children and protect children
and has kicked some of these the surgeon out of
our state net does more as a state policy than

(01:13:04):
the federal bill that you that you've voted against.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Is that am I? Did I hear you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:13:09):
That's one piece? Yes. And also we voted today to
ban medicaid from covering these procedures, which is a direct
federal connection. So so yeah, that's that's a big deal. Though,
is We've already got a great piece of legislation in
the state of Utah in twenty six twenty five other states,
so twenty six total states and passed that legislation, that
type of legislation, and it could be preempted by the
federal government get involved in this if it's not well

(01:13:32):
thought out good policy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
So let me ask you. I'm going to call you
Mike on this question because I know you've we worked together, we.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Were colleagues, and I know that you're not a perfect
is the enemy of good lawmaker. I've seen, I know
how you work, I know how you got to change
the status quo. This looks like a protest vote, and
that's not a Mike Kennedy that I know that's just
a protest vote, and I know why on the substance
it's not worthy of your vote. So I guess my question,
and it's easy to look in, you know, for me

(01:13:58):
to be in the cheap seats and ask, but how
come you couldn't get more colleagues because the fewer you are,
the more extreme that that position looks like it takes.
And you're being misrepresented as to why you would vote
the way you did. Was there any ability or why
wasn't their ability to really even if she cut that
deal to put that on the floor, to have more
of your colleagues say it's not true. It's actually it's
like the Patriot Act, and it's it's not you don't

(01:14:20):
vote for it because it's you're a patriot, You're you know,
you know how.

Speaker 14 (01:14:23):
This goes legislatively is that I've got colleagues reaching out
saying I was going to vote no on this bill,
but I was intimidated, bullied, I had reasons to please
whomever about this that I wasn't going to vote no.
I've got text as well as signal chats where people
intended to vote no, but were persuaded, and you and

(01:14:46):
I know what that persuasion can be like to vote
yes for a bill that was brought up on Monday
and voted on Wednesday. So there's no time for these
people to consider. And there's been a lot of people
that are there. They're politically pleased with their vote, but
policy wise, they have questions and concerns like I do.

(01:15:08):
But my vote reflects those questions and concerns. There's as
will and politically to just go forward with what was there?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Well, final question for you, because I know you're trying
to catch a plane, Mike, where does this Where does
this vote go? Now? I mean the House is approved,
it is. The Senate even gonna bother looking at it
other than being a message bill. What happens with this thing?

Speaker 14 (01:15:28):
I suspect this will never see the light to day
just because of the nature of what it is. I
don't I don't see any possibility that sixty senators would
get on board. I think there's many senators that would
see this as a step in the right direction. That's
why I'm committed to working on policy just like I
did in the state legislature that accomplishes the goal. But
it actually is passable in both houses and signable by

(01:15:49):
the President. In our case in the state, we got
the governor to sign that. So so I don't believe
this is ever gonna see the light to day, and
time will tell, but I, my self and others are
committed to working on policy we could get through the
Senate that actually preserves and protects our children because we
all would agree, your listeners as well as the three

(01:16:10):
of us on this conversation, is our children, our greatest asset,
our greatest blessing for the future, and we should do
everything to protect them from the mutilation and surgeries, the
permanent damage associated with these procedures and medications that can
happen to them. We're working diligently on that, but we're

(01:16:31):
not We're not done with the policy yet, so it's
still going through that well thought out process.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Congressman Mike Kennedy very good explanation, makes you understand it
as he explains why he voted against it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
That's right, and he's not a protest noe guy. He
really isn't. He understands perfect cannot be the enemy of good.
You gotta get good legislation through. You'll always find something
you could vote against I guess if you want to
just throw up protests. But he's a collaborative guy who
works together that way. So when he's one of only four,
there's a flying the ointment somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
That's for sure. All right of our Listen Back Friday
part of the program coming up next here on the
Rodding Greg Show.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
You're listening to us saw on Utah's Talk Radio one
O five nine can rs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
I'm citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I again good interviews that we've had during the week
that we just really want to in this Listen Back Friday, Yeah,
give it another play.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yeah. The question is, you know, when Greg and I
were growing up, we did all kinds of things, didn't
wear bike Hellman's this and that right, not so today? Well,
why has it changed? What has made things change? Well,
we spoke earlier this week with Kelsey Piper, a contributor
to The Argument magazine, talking about this. She wrote an
article about how getting richer has made our teenagers less free,

(01:17:36):
and we asked Kelsey why she thinks that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:39):
The Argument My organization does polls, and we asked parents,
at what age is it appropriate to leave a kid
home alone? I think many of us as kids. You know,
we were eight, we were nine. It depends a little
bit on whether you're a trustworthy kid. Are going to
immediately rate the sugar cupboard. But we got thirty five
percent of adults in the US answering our poll said

(01:18:00):
it was not appropriate until a child was between the
ages of fourteen and seventeen. So I saw that and
I was like, something has gone horribly wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Yeah, you know, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I was a fair I've told our audience. I was
raised a feral child. My mother was a single mother.
She worked a lot, so I was not supervised, left
home alone. You'd have to count the hours my mother
was home for me. And I'm not saying that's the norm,
but doesn't some of that autonomy, or being able to
be left home alone or go out for the day

(01:18:33):
and come back at night, create self start, you know,
you find your own entertainment, you're doing things, you're out there.
Aren't there some life skills learned from a childhood that's
not overly supervised.

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
It's fucking really. They take a lot of pride in
being independent, being able to get wherever they want to
go under their own power, even in working. And we've
moved very far away from allowing teenagers to work, or
encouraging teenagers to even have like a part time or
a summer job, but all of that being left home alone,
being able to go to your friend's house, working a

(01:19:08):
job that builds like being a person, being part of
the world, not having to just listen to your parents
about everything that's good for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Kids, Kelsey, what happened? I mean, you know, Greg and
I were talking about this this morning in our morning meeting.
Neither one of us ever wore a helmet when we
rode a bike. You know, we didn't get a car
pool to go to school. We had to walk to school.
I mean, and there's so many other issues. What happened?
Why did we move in the direction we're in now?

Speaker 9 (01:19:37):
Yeah, So, I think a big part of it is
that we got a lot richer as a society. Our
kids stopped dying, and it is if you compare to
a century ago, kids did die in accidents pretty regularly.
So there was a real trade off here, and as
we got wealthier as a society, we're just not willing
to tolerate that trade off. And then family size is shrank,

(01:19:58):
and that's got to be part of it. Right, You
can't keep a close eye on seven kids. You just can't.
But if you have two parents and one kid, you
know you're probably going to be hovering over their shoulder
a little bit more. And family sizes are smaller than
they've ever been, So I think these play a part.
But then the other thing I talk about in the
article is once some of your neighbors have these extremely

(01:20:20):
high expectations about supervision, then that is sort of a
chilling effect on the whole neighborhood. Like we had some
respondence to our poll say they would call CPS over
a ten year old playing alone at the park. Now,
I would never call CPS over a ten year old
playing alone in the park, But if my neighbor calls
CPS on me, then I'm going to be more reluctant

(01:20:40):
to let my kid go to the park the next time. Right,
So a small number of people with these very intense
expectations can change the behavior of lots more parents.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
So I don't I wouldn't say that the two examples
I'm going to share are best practices. I think this
is what probably contributed to a high mortality rate amongst children,
But we didn't I didn't just ride bikes to get
from point A to point B.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
We jumped bikes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
We found ramps, so we tried to see who could
jump the furthest go down a hill as fast as
you can. At the bottom of the hill, hit the ramp,
and then we would mark where the back tire would
land first, and there's trees on either side. Also, when
I remember being really young, my mother's arm rest for
the you know, the was a satellite, Plymouth satellite. I
would sit on it like so I could see out

(01:21:26):
the window, like a launch pad. I would sit and
watch out the window so I could see. That's I
don't think we should go back to that necessarily, But
is there some happy medium here? I mean, you can't
just keep coddling children to the point where they don't
know any self determination as they get older, but not
go back to the you know times where it's a miracle.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
So what would you say to parents, and maybe if
if you could decide how, what would be that happy medium?

Speaker 9 (01:21:54):
That's sort of the question, right, because I agree you
don't want your kids taking risks their lives, and also
you are wrong in your kids if they are making
it nearly to adulthood without getting to do their own thing.
And one personal story, we have a six year old.
The other day, he decided he wanted to go to
the convenience store and buy some oreos. He is not
allowed to go to the Communion store. It crosses a

(01:22:16):
big street. He just went out by himself. When he
got to the big street, he like waved down a
nearby pedestrian and got helped crossing the street, bought his oreos,
got help coming back, and I was mad. I was scared.
I was also proud. He was so proud of himself,
like to him, this was one of the best experiences ever.
And it's like, what do you do with that as

(01:22:37):
a parent, Like, of course, I'm not going to tell
my six year old, yeah, you can go across that
big street with no light. But also if they never
get the chance to exercise those muscles and set their
own goals, that's not right for them either.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
You know, Kelsey, We've had on this show numerous times
over the years. Over the years, Leonor's Kenesy who really
works in the effort to have for free range kids.
And as a matter of fact, here in the state of Utah,
we've adopted some laws to allow free range kids and
kids to go out. Do you get a sense that
things are changing, that parents do want to give their
kids a little more freedom, or they still reluctant to

(01:23:13):
do so, maybe because they're concerned about their safety, maybe
even peer pressure not to do some of these things.
What's your take on it.

Speaker 9 (01:23:20):
I think there is a little more momentum in the
free range kids direction, and in terms of some states
saying Okay, we can't have cps going after good parents
because they let their ten year old play at the park.
We are gonna set some sort of minimums and say no,
that's not child neglect, No that's not a problem. And
you need some of that formal structure to sort of

(01:23:43):
push back, because you've got all these like informal things
that push in the direction of excessive supervision. So if
you don't take a sort of big picture approach and
intentionally make laws and make policies and sort of say
this is not what we're doing, then it's easy to
just keep sliding down that ramp. So I really hope
things will turn around. I think the world where kids

(01:24:04):
are online all the time and can barely do anything
in the real world. It's not good for them, it's
not good for society. So we've got to sort of
get this turned around.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Kelsey Piper joining us from the Argument magazine, talking about
making our children a little more free would be nice
to do that. Well, this is our last show.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
It is for the year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Wor all take a break.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Yeah, I'm excited about it. I got some shopping I
got to do. I'm going to start the whole effort
on Monday, really probably Tuesday. Wednesday's, you know, Christmas Eve,
so I probably won't be doing it that day. But
like I said, I'm swimming in time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yeah. Well, to all our great listeners and all our
great advertisers, we thank you. We've had a fantastic year.
This year twenty twenty six is going to be more
interesting as we head into the midterms and all kinds
of stories coming up. So we want to say thank
you and Merry Christmas and a happy New year to all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah, I want to repeat that. I want to thank
our listeners. Our audience is growing. It's been a great ride,
a great year, and we just expect more and we'll
bring you more in the in the coming year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
It'll be fun, Happy New Year, Merry Christmas to one
and all. All Right, that does it for us tonight and
for a couple of weeks. We'll be back on Monday,
January fifth. Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family this great country of ours. Have a
merry Christmas, a happy new Year. Be very very safe
out there, Enjoy the weekend, everybody,

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